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Mater’s Musings #57 – Bing-Bong, You Were/Are Wrong!

AMA, RACGP united on COVID-19 vaccine rollout

So lacking ‘fully approved’ vaccines, you happily started stabbing the community with a ‘provisionally approved’ version? Did you even inform them that was the case?

Seriously, two peak professional bodies for the healthcare sector weren’t au fait with the approval process the vaccines were going though? No wonder I had stand up fights with several GPs who continued to insist they were ‘fully approved’. Does such advice from a practitioner constitute informed consent?

AMA Submission to the Independent review of
Australia’s COVID-19 response – 31 Jul 2022

Right, so nearly a year and a half later, and during a review (read: roundup) of the event, the AMA STILL hasn’t clued up to the fact that they STILL aren’t ‘fully approved’. Or are they being deliberately deceptive?

For the record, the approval process may not have the ‘emergency’ label attached, but ‘provisional approval’ is the closest thing the Australian system allows, and up until the Covid vaccine, was solely used to race through approval for unproven (but promising) medication for cancer sufferers. Medication which, incidentally, is voluntary and offered without coercion, after full disclosure of the associated risks. The Covid vaccines were assessed under “some form of emergency authorisation”, and a bastardised version at that!

But why should I be surprised; this is still showing on the Federal Health Department website:

www.health.gov.au

“This is the same process as any vaccine approved in this country”?

Demonstrably untrue. The Provisional Approval pathway was only added to the process in early 2018. I’m pretty sure we’ve been vaccinating long before that.

Is anyone else getting sick of being lied to by all and sundry?

Mater

57 responses to “Mater’s Musings #57 – Bing-Bong, You Were/Are Wrong!”

  1. flyingduk Avatar
    flyingduk

    bought and paid for….

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  2. 132andBush Avatar
    132andBush

    Hope a genuine journo, such as Rita Panahi, can run her peepers over this.

    There have been too many “bing bongs”.
    Enough is enough.

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  3. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    They promise they won’t do that thing you dont like in your mouth again, this time. Open wide.

    They lie like pigs in shit, I despise them.

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  4. chrisl Avatar
    chrisl

    Provisional approval for a cancer drug (cancer is often a death sentence) is ok by me.
    Provisional approval for a Covid/ common cold not so much

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  5. Mater Avatar
    Mater

    chrisl says:
    September 13, 2022 at 8:31 pm

    Exactly!

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  6. duncanm Avatar
    duncanm

    “This is the same process as any vaccine approved in this country”?

    the TGA aren’t even consistent in their lies messaging.

    See here: COVID-19 vaccine provisional determinations

    Provisional determination is the first step in the process and does not mean that an application has or will be made, or that the vaccine will be provisionally approved for inclusion in the ARTG. Provisional determinations are effective for 6 months.

    Normally for a vaccine to be registered in Australia, a sponsor (usually a pharmaceutical company) is required to submit a complete and comprehensive package of data to the TGA. A formal evaluation is then carried out in multiple stages by technical experts, prior to a decision being made.

    The provisional pathway provides a formal and transparent mechanism for speeding up the registration of promising new medicines with preliminary clinical data.

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  7. wal1957 Avatar
    wal1957

    And the idiots wonder why we have zero confidence in what we are being told.
    Mistakes I can forgive. Lies I cannot.

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  8. Mater Avatar
    Mater

    the TGA aren’t even consistent in their lies messaging.

    “The provisional approval pathway allows sponsors to apply for time-limited provisional registration on the Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods (ARTG). It provides access to certain promising new medicines where we assess that the benefit of early availability of the medicine outweighs the risk inherent in the fact that additional data are still required.”

    https://www.tga.gov.au/provisional-approval-pathway-prescription-medicines

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  9. Tommbell Avatar
    Tommbell

    The time to line some people up against the wall is long passed.

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  10. Megan Avatar
    Megan

    The TGA changing their definition of vaccine ladt year was more than enough for me to cross my arms and shake my head in disbelief.

    Still shoving boosters into willing arms though, untested though they may be. Why? We will never, ever be told.

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  11. rickw Avatar
    rickw

    These vaccines will never gain full and proper approval.

    To dangerous and to ineffective, and the longer things run the worse the picture looks.

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  12. NoFixedAddress Avatar
    NoFixedAddress

    So, basically the AMA is a criminal organization.

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  13. NoFixedAddress Avatar
    NoFixedAddress

    and LOL

    Some Florida Republicans want to declare WHO a terrorist organization.

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  14. Mantaray Avatar
    Mantaray

    Are New Cats really as naive as they are making themselves out to be?

    https://ahrp.org/1932-1945-doctors-academics-perverted-medicine-science-in-nazi-germany/

    The key take-out; ” Of all the professions in Germany, physicians had the highest ratio of Nazi party membership – 50% to 65% of the physicians in Germany voluntarily joined the Nazi Party; and physicians joined the SS seven times more than teachers or average male employees. But not only physicians who were members of the Nazi party conducted experiments meeting the definition of torture. and….”Hitler’s deputy, Rudolf Hess, coined a popular adage in the Reich, “National Socialism is nothing but applied biology.”
    Doctors have always been (mostly) immoral f’wits/ jerks with god-complexes who spend their days inflicting pain on patients for their own good (this not meant ironically), tend to be not need much convincing that causing pain for society’s good is VERY OK.

    Especially when there’s a buck in it for them as well!

    B)

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  15. John of Mel Avatar
    John of Mel

    Still shoving boosters into willing arms though, untested though they may be. Why?

    Because there are still people willing to be subjected to this experiment. I even know a few personally. Nothing can change their mind.

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  16. Mantaray Avatar
    Mantaray

    John of Mel. They are becoming ever fewer.

    In general people don’t like admitting they’ve poisoned themselves…and especially not that they’ve killed their own kids etc. Which means they will quietly stop following orders, whilst being not so keen to tell you why. MEANWHILE; how many actually got gene-jabbed?….

    The Feds ordered 51 million Novovax doses; explicitly stating that these traditional-style injections would overcome vaccine-hesitancy. At 3 doses per patient that’s 17 million vax-hesitant Aussies, or is my maths off? Well?

    BTW: If the “they were already ordered” comes to mind, think French subs and billions happily spent cancelling THAT order!

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  17. Shy Ted Avatar
    Shy Ted

    What you can do is report any mRNA technology injection that results in an injury or worse, past or present, to the police. As a crime. Who’s the perp? The person who jabbed you.

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  18. HT Avatar
    HT

    John of Mel says:
    September 14, 2022 at 7:06 am
    Still shoving boosters into willing arms though, untested though they may be. Why?
    Because there are still people willing to be subjected to this experiment. I even know a few personally. Nothing can change their mind.

    There are plenty of jobs mandating COVID vaccinations. Although I myself would refuse, it’s also worth noting that I am retired, so I have the luxury to say “get stuffed”. My SiL provides for three of my grandchildren, if he chooses to get vaccinated to keep his job I’ll support him and his family in anyway I can, including respecting whatever decision he makes to remain gainfully employed.
    If I weren’t retired, and realistically speaking I am “hostage” to Australia by age and the way I financed my retirement, I would leave it. I no longer love this country because of what it did, and what it is becoming.

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  19. Big_Nambas Avatar
    Big_Nambas

    Once Gold Standard Agencies Now Like ‘Horror Movie’ as Crony Capitalism Profiteered during Pandemic

    The disaster that has been the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) continues to unfold with fallout on all fronts and serious ramifications for the trio’s credibility moving forward. From the CDC acknowledging its bungled much of the pandemic response to high-profile departures in the FDA—due to a series of questionable high-profile decisions, such as authorizing the COVID-19 vaccines for babies as young as 6 months old—to proactive wars on doctors who prescribe generic repurposed drugs for COVID-19 and clear industry capture in at least parts of the NIH, TrialSite News has chronicled wild crony capitalism run amok, including regulatory capture throughout the pandemic at high levels of the U.S. Health and Human Services (HHS) as well as even the White House. Early on, few in the media, health care sector or government responded to TrialSite News articles chronicling these problems, but the desire to reform these badly hurt, one-time Gold Standard agencies, picks up momentum. Soon the pressure will build for serious reform.

    https://www.trialsitenews.com/a/once-gold-standard-agencies-now-like-horror-movie-as-crony-capitalism-profiteered-during-pandemic-video-39f1451b

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  20. Big_Nambas Avatar
    Big_Nambas

    What follows are troubling reports of cytokine storm-like events occurring after patients are vaccinated with COVID-19 vaccines, including the viral vector AstraZeneca/Oxford COVID-19 vaccine and the novel mRNA-based vaccines produced by Pfizer-BioNTech. While these vaccines have been classified as safe and effective, they are mostly delivered under investigational status and emergency use authorization or conditional/provisional status in many of the world’s nations. Studies over the past year-and-a-half indicate the possibility that both viral vector and mRNA therapy may present the potential for adverse events, including the cytokine storm to manifestations impacting various parts of the human body, causing rare, but in some cases, deadly damage. If accurate, could this phenomenon occur in persons long after vaccination? Could such phenomena occur in the short or long run depending on a person’s medical background, DNA, and chromosomes? Little of this talk shows up in mainstream media.

    What follows are some various case reports and studies for review.
    Bologna Case of Encephalopathy

    Late last year, in a case report in the Journal of Neuroimmunology, Italian physician-scientists affiliated with the University of Bologna and IRCCS Neurology Institute of Bologna reported on hyperacute reversible encephalopathy after administration of the COVID-19 vaccine. At this Italian center a patient was cared for that surfaced with acute onset encephalopathy, mostly showing up as agitation and confusion. The condition responded rapidly to high doses of steroid therapy and went into complete remission in three days from onset.

    The day after vaccination the patient awoke confused and agitated, consistent with delirium, reported the study authors. The patient was referred to the Bologna center emergency department in an extremely agitated state.

    The researchers report that the patient’s clinical manifestation is associated with systemic and CSF cytokine hyperproduction, responsive again to steroidal therapy. Could the cytokine storm have resulted from an excessive innate immune response against the COVID-19 vaccine in such a patient perhaps, susceptible to autoimmunity? The authors acknowledge that this particular occurrence could have resulted from “just a causal temporal association.” The vaccine associated with this case report was the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine called ChAdOx1 nCoV-19. The patient was a 77-year-old male with history of sarcoidosis and polymyalgia rheumatica in clinical remission with Methylprednisolone 4 mg/day.
    What about other cytokine storms associated with COVID-19 vaccination?

    See Esmaeil Farshi, University of Tennessee, and the study “Cytokine Storm Response to COVID-19 Vaccinations,” uploaded to ResearchGate and not peer-reviewed (See the link). The study was published in the peer-reviewed Journal of Cytokine Biology.

    Sponsored by the Peace and Health Organization in San Diego, the author notes:

    “Vaccination against SARS-Cov-2 may lead to Cytokine Storm Syndrome in some vaccinated people. We tested vaccination in 33 monkeys and 200 mice, and we found vaccinated animals were able to fight off the virus well, resulting in quickly clearing the virus from their lungs except two monkeys and 9 mice. Those two monkeys along with 9 mice showed cytokine storms in their lungs. This result is extremely important for human vaccination.”
    Heidelberg-led Study reveals Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines linked to Cytokine Storms

    In a recent study published in Nature Cancer titled “Cytokine release syndrome-like serum responses after COVID-19 vaccination are frequent and clinically inapparent under cancer immunotherapy,” the authors, represented by corresponding authors Sunanjay Bajaj and Thomas Walle, both affiliated with the German Cancer Research Center in Heidelberg as well as Heidelberg University’s Department of Medical Oncology, Department of Tumor Diseases, reported that “cytokine release syndrome (CRS) was observed in a patient with cancer who received BNT162b2 [Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA COVID vaccine] vaccination under immune-checkpoint inhibitor (ICI) treatment.”

    Looking at 23 various tumors the Germany-based researchers investigated adverse events and serum cytokines in a total of 64 persons undergoing or 23 not undergoing COVID-19 vaccination under ICI therapy in this prospectively planned German single-center cohort study involving 220 participants.

    First, they note that they didn’t observe CRS (?grade 2) post COVID vaccine administration (95% CI 0–5.6%; Common Terminology of Adverse Events v.5.0) in the small cohort. However, within one month (4 weeks) post COVID vaccination, the authors reported the manifestation of serious adverse events in eight patients (12.5% 95% CI 5.6–23%), and six of the patients were hospitalized due to events common under cancer therapy such as immune related adverse events. Two of the patients died due to conditions present prior to vaccination.

    The authors finalized that, “Despite absence of CRS symptoms, a set of pairwise-correlated CRS-associated cytokines, including CXCL8 and interleukin-6 was >1.5-fold upregulated in 40% (95% CI 23.9–57.9%) of patients after vaccination. Hence, elevated cytokine levels are common and not sufficient to establish CRS diagnosis.”
    Death of healthy adolescent boys associated with Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine

    In an August 2022 “Letter to the Editor” in the journal Archives of Pathology & Laboratory Medicine, a piece titled “Autopsy Histopathologic Cardiac Findings in 2 Adolescents Following the Second COVID-19 Vaccine Dose: Cytokine Storm, Hypersensitivity, or Something Else” expressed:

    “We read with interest the important report published in Archives of Pathology & Laboratory Medicine describing 2 teenagers who were found dead 3 and 4 days after the second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine. In both boys there were neither prior medical problems nor rashes nor lymphadenopathy. At autopsy, there were areas of contraction bands and occasional eosinophils with subepicardial/transmural fibrous scars in the first boy, and confluent areas of hypereosinophilic myocytes but no subepicardial injury in the second boy.”

    The authors correctly characterized these findings as atypical myocarditis and speculated on cytokine storms. They also correctly put a hypersensitivity reaction in the differential diagnosis and stated that the ‘‘infrequency/lack of eosinophils would be unusual.’’ Indeed, there is still confusion on the classification of myocarditis caused by vaccines, drugs, or other substances. Myocarditis constitutes an inflammatory myocardial disease with absence of acute or chronic coronary artery damage. It can be classified by criteria such as causative (viral, bacterial, protozoal, trypanosomal, toxic, hypersensitivity), histologic (eosinophilic, giant cell, granulomatous, lymphocytic), and clinicopathologic (fulminant, acute, chronic active, chronic persistent, myopericarditis). Eosinophilic myocarditis is characterized by eosinophilic myocardial infiltration and is usually accompanied by eosinophilia and occasionally by myocyte fibrosis and/or necrosis.

    The case series covering the boy’s death can be found here:

    Gill JR, Tashjian R, Duncanson E. Autopsy histopathologic cardiac findings in 2 adolescents following the second COVID-19 vaccine dose [published online February 14, 2022]. Arch Pathol Lab Med. doi:10.5858/arpa.2021-0435-SA—see the link.
    Autoimmune Problems possibly link to COVID vaccines

    Published this year in the peer-review journal Immunology, Chen (Anhui Medical University) et. al, writing from China in “New-onset autoimmune phenomena post-COVID-19 vaccination” note:

    “Vaccines have been approved without extensive studies on their side-effects and efficacy. Recently, new-onset autoimmune phenomena after COVID-19 vaccination have been reported increasingly (e.g., immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia, autoimmune liver diseases, Guillain-Barré syndrome, IgA nephropathy, rheumatoid arthritis, and systemic lupus erythematosus). Molecular mimicry, the production of particular autoantibodies and the role of certain vaccine adjuvants seem to be substantial contributors to autoimmune phenomena.”

    The authors acknowledge they are not sure if the manifestations are “coincidental or causal,” but do summarize what they deem “emerging evidence about autoimmune manifestations occurring in response to certain COVID-19 vaccines.”
    Italian physician-scientists use imaging to identify multiorgan complications links to COVID-19 vaccines

    Published this year, Italian investigators represented by corresponding author Luca Saba, affiliated with Azienda Ospedaliero University’s Department of Radiology, led the study “The Role of imaging in rare COVID-19 vaccine multiorgan complications.”

    While rare, the Italian team comments that the COVID-19 vaccines can lead to “often…life-threatening or fatal” events. They remind the reader that COVID-19 can lead to multi-organ complications from the viral damage or host immune response (cytokine storm). In this paper, they report on the role of imaging to identify and clarify multiorgan complications associated with COVID-19 vaccination.

    Emphasizing that these incidents represent a “minute fraction of those in the general population who have been vaccinated,” the authors must be politically correct as well when publicly addressing their support of the COVID-19 vaccines when really, this should simply be a scientific breakdown of what they found. The authors focus on cardiovascular adverse incidents such as myocarditis.

    Recently published in Nature Communications, scientists from government labs such as the National Virtual Biotechnology Laboratory, US. Department of Energy and Stanford’s Synchrotron Radiation Lightsource, and the LAC National Accelerator Laboratory and Oak Ridge National Laboratory declare in “Structural and functional characterization of NEMO cleavage by SARS-CoV-2 3CLpro” that the damage the spike protein can do by its interaction with the NEMO cleavage functions leading to potentially serious adverse outcomes. Of course, this study didn’t cover vaccination scenarios, but what if the spike protein in the vaccines were to cross over into other areas of the body, from organs to even crossing the blood-brain barrier? A recent case review study reviewed by TrialSite reveals that the spike protein manifests in skin cells, for example.

    This article makes no broader claims about the risks of the COVID-19 vaccines. The COVID-19 vaccines are currently deemed safe and effective by regulators in the United States as well as public health authorities at the national level, the CDC.
    References

    NCBI

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  21. Big_Nambas Avatar
    Big_Nambas

    Cory Bernardi Confidential
    Cory Bernardi Confidential
    Ethically Unjustifiable
    By Cory Bernardi – 14 Sep 2022 – View online ?

    Hi David,

    After two years of pushing unscientific health propaganda, research scientists are now publicly disclosing the truth about the COVID-19 vaccines.

    What they are revealing is an indictment on our medical, media and political fraternity.

    Rather than ‘safe and effective’ as they tried to brainwash people into believing, these experimental mRNA jabs are a non-cure worse than the actual disease.

    The data is damning and a recent study concludes that booster mandates actually do more harm than good.

    Nine scientists from top research universities including Harvard and Johns Hopkins, found that for every hospitalisation prevented by boosters, multiple adverse events occurred.

    “Using CDC and sponsor-reported adverse event data, we find that booster mandates may cause a net expected harm: per COVID-19 hospitalisation prevented in previously uninfected young adults, we anticipate 18 to 98 serious adverse events.”

    The study went on to identify that University booster mandates are unethical, detailing five key rationales.

    no formal risk-benefit assessment exists for this age group;

    vaccine mandates may result in a net expected harm to individual young people

    mandates are not proportionate: expected harms are not outweighed by public health benefits given the modest and transient effectiveness of vaccines against transmission;

    US mandates violate the reciprocity principle because rare serious vaccine-related harms will not be reliably compensated due to gaps in current vaccine injury schemes; and

    mandates create wider social harms.

    You can download the study through the link below.
    COVID-19 Vaccine Boosters for Young Adults:
    A Risk-Benefit Assessment and Five Ethical Arguments against Mandates
    SSRN-id4206070.pdf • 757 KB

    While tackling the ethical concerns surrounding these vaccines, the researchers also found “a profound lack of transparency in scientific and regulatory policy making.”

    This ties in with our pre-vaccine release expose of the ethical failure of clinicians to disclose the risk of Antibody Dependency Enhancement (ADE) from mRNA treatments.

    Aside from the compelling medical data, one of the most interesting aspects of this report is the discussion surrounding the importance of proportionality in public policy.

    Proportionality is a key principle in public health ethics. To be proportionate, a policy must be expected to produce public health benefits that outweigh relevant harms, including harms related to coercion, undue pressure, and other forms of liberty restriction.

    To me, this overreach is just as dangerous as the physical damage done by these medical experiments.

    The pandemic allowed a new liberty limiting precedent to be set by government. It was justified by their quest to ‘flatten the curve.’

    Like so much else attached to this time, it was an absurd proposition and whatever their original optimism, it didn’t take long for anyone looking to see the futility of this policy approach.

    However, rather than backdown in the face of failure, governments (and their allies) doubled-down with increasingly outrageous rhetoric to keep the public scared and compliant.

    Even now, the authorities are still pushing booster jabs through public funded media campaigns. They are even promoting needles for young children despite them having next to no risk from this flu like illness.

    It’s simply appalling.

    While many will now claim it is time to move on, I certainly don’t advocate putting this stain on our freedoms behind us.

    We need more exposure of the dreadful calumny that was imposed upon the people by the triumvirate of our institutions.

    Only then is there any possibility, albeit a minuscule one, of those behind it actually being held to account.

    Have a great day.

    Cory

    Thought for the Day

    “It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favour of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.”
    H. L. Mencken

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  22. Vagabond Avatar
    Vagabond

    The AMA and RACGP are traitorous organisations that have done the once great profession a massive disservice and reduced us to pathetic mendicants. Like many other disciplines, those who do, work hard, and the incompetents end up in “leadership” and political roles. I used to joke that docs were the second oldest profession but those two are working hard to make more disreputable than any other. I met many a member of the “oldest profession” during my working life and developed a lot of respect for them which is more than can be said about our professional “leaders”. And is wasn’t just Covid and Climate change that did it, they have both been hard at work white-anting their colleagues for a very long time. Membership of those two organisations is falling and rightly so.

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  23. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    So, basically the AMA is a criminal organization.

    The AMA is politically compomised, but they’re not the worst, by a stretch.

    When my GP clinic was refusing admission to the unvaccinated, the AMA was at least calling out such a policy as unethical.

    Bring on the RC.

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  24. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    Watching a doco on the discovery of VIAGRA last night .. the whole thing was accidental! .. they were looking into a heart valve blockage solution and discovered “erection” heaven .. so a pill with no serious side effects but lotza benefit(s) took another 3 years to get to public marketing approval yet the stuff for BAT FLU got waved thru almost immediately! .. and they tellz us everythings A-OK, nuttin’ to worry about ‘ere, mooove along to your 7th booster, pleeeze! .. and the “sheeple” baaaahed .. happily! .. LOL!

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  25. Timothy Neilson Avatar
    Timothy Neilson

    Mater, thanks for a great job in putting it all together in stark contrast.
    Their ironclad defence will be:
    It wasn’t lies, it was just bullshit.
    (H/T Elwood Blues.)

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  26. Wyndham Dix Avatar
    Wyndham Dix

    Little has changed in millennia:-

    Justice is turned back,
    and righteousness stands afar off;
    for truth has stumbled in the public squares,
    and uprightness cannot enter.
    Truth is lacking,
    and he who departs from evil makes himself a prey.

    (Isaiah 59:14. ESV)

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  27. Old bloke Avatar
    Old bloke

    Mantaray says:
    September 14, 2022 at 7:36 am

    BTW: If the “they were already ordered” comes to mind, think French subs and billions happily spent cancelling THAT order!

    The contracts signed by the Australian Government cannot be cancelled, we have to pay the pharmaceutical companies the full amount whether we take delivery of the medications or not. The Australian Government ordered the equivalent amount for ten injections for every Australian citizen, every man, woman and child.

    I’m 100% confident that no Health Minister, either recognised in that role or secretly self-assigned to that role, drew any personal benefit from those contracts.

    Definitely 100% sure.

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  28. RogerW Avatar
    RogerW

    Don’t worry, all the problems caused by the vaxxes are now being called Long Covid – problem solved!

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  29. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    It’s strange to me that the “bing bong” crew on this blog who are so adamant they have been against mandates and all the other shenanigans government implemented, have, after this post has been up for almost a day, made exactically, wait for it…
    Zero…
    That is (0), nil, none, none at all.
    Replies to this post. Nothing.
    Wow, bing bongers. Wow.

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  30. Lee Avatar
    Lee

    I’m 100% confident that no Health Minister, either recognised in that role or secretly self-assigned to that role, drew any personal benefit from those contracts.

    Definitely 100% sure.

    LOL

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  31. mc Avatar
    mc

    On Monday this week it was announced at my place of employment that we have 4 weeks to prove that our COVID vaccines status is “up to date” – meaning booster every 6 months, or face disciplinary action. I took leave at half pay for 5 months to wait for Novavax (reluctantly) and now they announce this 2 days before my “vaccine runs out”. Just got off the phone telling my boss I will be leaving.

    Mater, you said last year/early this year that the battle for forced vaccination is over, the next battle is for the boosters. Well that battle is here for me now, but there seems to be no one rallying. It feels like it might have been more than the battle that was lost. I have a couple of opportunities so I guess it is a good sign to leave, still, stings a bit after 20 years.

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  32. Petros Avatar
    Petros

    The Qld doctors are still fighting it. Be nice for someone to have a win using the real evidence.

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  33. Megan Avatar
    Megan

    The Firstborn who suffered chest pains and other sundry oddities after the Pfizer, was this week ordered, by his VIC Public Service manager to have the boosters or sayonara.

    On duk’s good advice he had consulted my cardiologist late last year who told him there was quite a lot of that going around but it would eventually fade away. Has not completely resolved and he is deeply unwilling to have any top ups.

    Anyway…he popped into the GP clinic last Friday to see what his options might be and was issued with a vaccine exemption certificate! To the surprise of us all.

    I’ve been laughing because my dermatologist has written me a script for an annoying skin issue and provided me with a small sample tube so I would not be wasting money if it did not work. You have to peer really closely (it’s a tiny tube) to see past the proprietary name and manufacturer in large print and uncover that most dangerous of medications – Ivermectin. Lol!

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  34. Megan Avatar
    Megan

    I’m sorry, mc, that this travesty is still happening. Hopefully you will quickly find a more enlightened employer and look back on this miserable decision as a positive turning point.

    Good for you for holding firm.

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  35. Mater Avatar
    Mater

    Mater, you said last year/early this year that the battle for forced vaccination is over, the next battle is for the boosters. Well that battle is here for me now, but there seems to be no one rallying.

    The reason is that they are targeting a very select few to apply this to. They are not applying a ‘Booster Economy’. If they did, it would fail miserably, and our overlords know it.

    They are piecemealling us again. Teachers have had the mandate removed, you’re being forced to have a third, and the Union’s are still absent. Work that out.

    The only consolation (as small as it is), is that there’s jobs now that don’t require it, and you don’t have to sit in the gutter outside your local cafe, like a stray dog.

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  36. Chris M Avatar
    Chris M

    Still shoving boosters into willing arms though, untested though they may be.

    well they were tested – on eight mice.

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  37. Mater Avatar
    Mater

    I have a couple of opportunities so I guess it is a good sign to leave, still, stings a bit after 20 years.

    Under the current workforce conditions, they’ll miss you more than you’ll miss them.
    If you’ve got opportunities, and you’re adamant you’ll not have it, hold the line and see what happens. I’ve witnessed some spectacular waivers being granted due to ‘critical skills’.

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  38. mc Avatar
    mc

    Thanks Mater and Megan. My boss wants to go in and fight but I don’t want to make his life more difficult and I told him that after the first edict and now this one, I not sure my heart would be in it anyway. I could take more leave and try and wait it out but then other opportunities may not be available then.

    They are dealing with a cohort of people who have already sold out (me included) so will more than likely tow the line again.

    Like the vaccinated economy, they are putting the burden on others (eg. shop keepers get fine if you go in) counting on peoples reluctance to get other people into trouble to comply.

    At the end of the day they probably see it as cheap way to cut cost and remove the trouble makers…it was fun while it lasted.

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  39. Old Goat Avatar
    Old Goat

    I have had the vaccine twice , not because I wanted it , but because I couldn’t have my freedom without it (Melbourne Victoria ) . At the time I was vaccinated the full story on them was not available . I will never trust the medical profession again . I will never forgive Brett Sutton or Dan Andrews .

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  40. Anchor What Avatar
    Anchor What

    When Ardern chucks all the mandates overboard you know they’ve decided the game is up.

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  41. Bruce in WA Avatar
    Bruce in WA

    Just heard a pollie, formerly a medical doctor, state categorically that the vaccine will (a) prevent you dying of Covid; (b) prevent you getting long Covid; (c) prevent the formation of new strains of the virus.

    ABC “Afternoon Briefing”, 14/9

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  42. Mater Avatar
    Mater

    Just heard a pollie, formerly a medical doctor, state categorically that the vaccine will (a) prevent you dying of Covid; (b) prevent you getting long Covid; (c) prevent the formation of new strains of the virus.

    I suppose we should take note. They’ve been so honest up until now.

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  43. Lee Avatar
    Lee

    Just heard a pollie, formerly a medical doctor, state categorically that the vaccine will (a) prevent you dying of Covid; (b) prevent you getting long Covid; (c) prevent the formation of new strains of the virus.

    And there are fairies at the bottom of my garden.
    I have a cheap bridge to sell him (or her).

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  44. Edwina Avatar
    Edwina

    Or there is an election coming up Anchor What!
    These people are shameless AND evil.

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  45. Old School Conservative Avatar
    Old School Conservative

    John of Mel says:
    Because there are still people willing to be subjected to this experiment.

    I am astounded at the otherwise clever people who argue with me about the experimental nature of covid vaccines. No amount of factual analysis will get them to use the word experimental. Approved is all they can utter.

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  46. NoFixedAddress Avatar
    NoFixedAddress

    When is Australia introducing this?

    Leo Hohmann: Biden’s Executive Order Designed to Release Transhumanist Hell on America

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  47. struth Avatar
    struth

    All of you knew this over two years ago.
    You were told

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  48. Big_Nambas Avatar
    Big_Nambas

    In the UK House of Commons, a conservative member, Sir Christopher Chope, MP, proposes a Bill to require the Secretary of State to establish an independent review of disablement caused by COVID-19 vaccinations, and the adequacy of the compensation offered to persons so disabled, and for connected purposes as described recently on the website of the UK MP.

    https://www.trialsitenews.com/a/moves-in-uk-parliament-for-covid-19-vaccine-injury-law-inaugural-session-d7237ee5

    What’s quite interesting about COVID-19 and a nascent, growing vaccine injury movement in the United States and select countries such as the U.K. and some countries in Europe is the prominent role conservatives are playing in the effort. Typically, it’s been the left to liberals that have championed the cause for consumer rights and consumer protection, particularly against industry such as Big Pharma. Just think of Ralph Nader as the archetypical traditional example of an advocate that would stand up for individuals. Ideologically, the liberal to extreme left have been far more opposed to large corporate power running amok in U.S history than Republicans.

    https://www.trialsitenews.com/a/helping-covid-19-vaccine-injured-patientsliberals-conservatives-can-join-in-on-the-effort-195c7310

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  49. harrys on the boat Avatar
    harrys on the boat

    The AMA have always been a vile fascist organisation.

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  50. Winston Smith Avatar
    Winston Smith

    Mater The Muse:

    Is anyone else getting sick of being lied to by all and sundry?

    Fed up to the back teeth describes me fairly well.
    There is an advantage to the whole last two decades – the Expert Class has had the veil firmly removed from their claims of expertise.
    I doubt there is even one Professional grouping that has had their reputations unsullied.
    The list of Trusted Professions is in for a real shakeup next time it’s done. I expect Used Car Salesmen to be in the top ten. 🙂

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  51. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    My conscience at least is clear.
    Along with Mater and a handful of others I spent the best part of a year researching as much as I could find about Covid and the vaccines and posted it up here, as well as putting up a post for people to report side effects.
    That the entire medical community felt no obligation to do anything else other than follow the party line and cultivate an attitude of not wanting to know is an absolute disgrace.

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  52. calli Avatar
    calli

    Anyone in the medical community who questioned the party line lost their jobs. Those who could not afford to lose their jobs went along with it.

    Today I saw two bears behind electric fences, trapped in there for the amusement of humans. They won’t be hunted and they are well fed because they are attractions. They had not choice of trading liberty for safety because they are wild animals.

    Many…many people were forced into the same position, while some went gladly. As time goes on it will be harder and harder to differentiate, because human nature is to justify poor decisions.

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  53. calli Avatar
    calli

    And, as Mater points out, the “safety” of the vaxx was a chimera. Which makes it even more reprehensible.

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  54. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    calli says:
    September 16, 2022 at 3:02 am
    Anyone in the medical community who questioned the party line lost their jobs.

    ..
    You don’t give in to terrorists and you don’t reward hostage takers.
    If someone is holding a gun to your career that is a hostage situation. It’s tough out there. Housing is tight. The future is horribly uncertain. Mortgages got ridiculous due to stupidly low interest rates. I understand, especially as my wife was in the same situation at her work, and I also would have preferred to work longer.
    I can have all the sympathy for those who felt compelled to go along.
    But still. These arseholes were holding us hostage.
    That was the really big clue that all was not well with this situation.
    Now we have war and inflation and even less security and certainty.
    Ultimately, I think those who resigned in principle or refused and lost jobs, or spoke up and were censored, will be better off, on average, in the long run. My experience in life has been that leaving a shit situation usually opens up much better options down the line. we can already see that unfolding. I can’t count the number of times I have fallen on my feet after a setback I thought at the time was catastrophic.
    ..
    What is done is done. No point crying. But is it too much to ask that people at least face the reality of what was done?
    The first step is to get rid of all those politically in charge when these things were done. Andrews next. He has to go.

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  55. Vicki Avatar
    Vicki

    The human cost of this debacle is almost immeasurable. Lost jobs, damage to the education and social life of kids, social isolation and irreparable damage to friendships and families ….& then the damage to immune systems and even loss of life …..the list goes on. To Covid

    Also underestimated is the psychological damage as a result of the deliberate cultivation of fear. I thought I was pretty immune from this, given my conviction that pretty much every pronouncement from authorities was false. But a recent emergency hospitalisation of my husband from a problem quite unrelated to Covid proved me wrong. So concerned have I become about the medical profession that the whole episode affected me to an extent I didn’t think possible. My mind seemed calm but my body took on symptoms of internal distress. I have weathered far greater things than this episode & I put my reaction down to the accumulated stress of the last two years – particularly being one of the unvaccinated “lepers”.

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  56. Winston Smith Avatar
    Winston Smith

    Vicki:

    I have weathered far greater things than this episode & I put my reaction down to the accumulated stress of the last two years – particularly being one of the unvaccinated “lepers”.

    Join the mob, Vic.
    “Never forget, Never forgive.” We didn’t ask for this gigantic wedge to be driven into our nation. But here we are, and we know who did it, why they did it, and who their accomplices were/are.

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  57. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    Along with certain circumstances, which at that time put me beyond the regime of being in line for the jab, it was the many questioners on the old & new cat who gave me enough information not to take it when it was being rolled out and for which I’ll be always grateful.

    Unfortunately my assurance of the democratic system in this country has been soundly shaken if not fully destroyed. I remain a pariah because I chose not to conform and now believe that at any opportunity I may again lose my rights if a trumped up ‘elf official cum politician and his/her lackey copper says so.

    I have no faith in doctors, the police, business or the courts. If I were to think on it a bit longer there’d be another half dozen sections of society that would qualify for that list as well.

    Andrews has to go – not least because he’s been at the helm of a dreadful govt and is a dreadful “leader” but because his level of tyrannical govt cannot be allowed another go. Every govt in this country that supported and enforced emergency controls from 2020 onwards should not be re-elected.

    As Ripley said: ‘it’s the only way to be sure.’

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