Open Thread – Tues 4 Oct 2022


Near the Water, Gustave Moreau, 1896

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Roger
Roger
October 6, 2022 11:24 am

The marginal cost is not 100k as most of them would be in minimum security facilities.
Pretty sure the petty crim in Vietnam isn’t going to a super max.

The petty Australian crim locke dup in Vietnam wouldn’t even go to prison here unless an incorrigible recidivist.

In any case, Australia’s prisons are among the the most expensive in the world and they’re already overcrowded.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2022 11:25 am

I haven’t seen any of this, and it hasn’t stop the assassination of officeholders in the recently acquired oblasts.

That’s a different issue Dover. It isn’t Ukrainian secret service black ops, like poor Ms Dugina. The local resistance cells have been getting better at their art, especially as the rear area security has been withdrawn to beef up the frontlines. It is no surprise that the Russians are seeing partisan activity in those areas, the same phenomenon tied down many German divisions in WW2.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 6, 2022 11:27 am

The UK experience with 2nd generation jihadis isn’t great. There is no reason to think Australias will be any different.

struth
struth
October 6, 2022 11:28 am

KD.
You’re having a meltdown.
Again.

Failure is being jabbed.

I am a winner.
Always have been.

I mock those who killed themselves with a jab and then complain about those people taking the piss out of them for doing so

Tick tick tick……

.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2022 11:28 am

currently has the usual suspects saying (as always) that taxes need to rise.

Heard them promoting that earlier but didn’t bothe to tune in.

“How to raise revenue?” they asked.

What about cutting spending instead?

Starting with health and education, how much federal expenditure duplicates what is (or could) be done at state level?

And what exactly is the rationale for a public broadcaster in 2022?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 6, 2022 11:30 am

I am a winner.
Always have been.

Give yourself a merit award. Oh, you already have.

bespoke
bespoke
October 6, 2022 11:31 am

In any case, Australia’s prisons are among the the most expensive in the world and they’re already overcrowded

Older one’s yes but the newer ones are more bording schools with less restrictions. The high cost is in the services provided.

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 6, 2022 11:32 am

News.com.au has David Koch slamming a “controversial” pastor (the City on a Hill guy) about his views on gays and abortion

How do you take a bald-headed flog like Koch seriously?

shatterzzz
October 6, 2022 11:32 am

Fairfield Deputy Mayor Reni Barkho, an Assyrian who migrated to Australia in 1994 and has a number of family members who escaped Islamic State.

You live & learn .. having lived in Fairfield for over 40 years I’d never heard of this bloke, not that I take too much interest on who is who on Council but most get mentioned, locally, sometime or other, so was surprised he is the deputy mayor turns out he is also my local councillor, a newbie, from last year’s election ..
tho this isn’t reflected on the FCC website which currently lists DAI LE as deputy mayor ..

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2022 11:33 am

Finally, the real answer why your best ideas come during showering

This possibly relates to what Hofstadter calls “joosting”, the experience to stepping outside of the usual frame of reference to explore new perspectives. Conscious application typically involves using the same approach but we can locked in by a frozen representation which prevents us considering other possibilities.

For me it isn’t the shower, it is going for a walk after hours of reading. Then I my mind wanders over all the reading. That does help but only with the prior effort.

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 6, 2022 11:36 am

DC comics is going to have a hard time making a movie for the “super hero unvaxed”.

They’ll also have a hard time getting people to watch any “super hero unwaxed” movie.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2022 11:37 am

How do you take a bald-headed flog like Koch seriously?

He’s human clickbait. Nothing more.

bespoke
bespoke
October 6, 2022 11:39 am

They’ll also have a hard time getting people to watch any “super hero unwaxed” movie.

Chuckle.

Un-vaxed.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2022 11:43 am

this isn’t reflected on the FCC website which currently lists DAI LE as deputy mayor ..

Ah…the lady who’s since taken up residence in KKK’s nightmares?

Yes, they really should update that.

😀

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 6, 2022 11:44 am

“Tax fossil fuels to fund renewables.
Straya is a low taxing country.
More tax.
More spend.
Nom, nom, nom.”

Anyone wielding the special tax spotlight should be looking at the renewables sector.

The fuckers are currently enjoying $90-170/MWh wholesale prices – propped up by Pootgas prices forced into the electricity market solely to prop up renewable shortfalls.

Their marginal cost of sent out power is virtually $zero.

Australia is not run in the interests of Australians.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2022 11:45 am

For me it isn’t the shower, it is going for a walk after hours of reading.

It worked for me. Got a lot of ideas that way, many ended up in patents.
Dunno why that happens, but it does. The other way was to sit at desk at work and woolgather. After an hour of that all sorts of interesting things would come together. It’s a similar mind state.

Zipster
Zipster
October 6, 2022 11:48 am
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2022 11:48 am

I am a winner.
Always have been.

First prize?
A new boat!!!
….
Only joking.
First prize is an oar.
A single oar.
To help you keep paddling in circles.
If you get your boat back.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2022 11:50 am

Warrior who loudly proclaim himself as winner probably is loser.

– Sun Tzu.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2022 12:00 pm

Bruce, they aren’t acting without SBU support

Dover – They certainly have Ukrainian state support of some kind, I agree. But I suspect more military logistical support rather than SBU. Perhaps army intelligence. Classic support of partisan resistance fighters with arms and ammunition. The front line seems fairly pervious from what I read, and certainly the numbers on each side don’t appear sufficient to fully close off a front that long. The Brits did this, and we did too in WW2.

What is interesting is the 007 style stuff is less evident on both sides, in the respective capitals. Which is what makes me think there’s a bit of a tacit agreement since Ms Dugina got caught in that failed black op.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 6, 2022 12:04 pm

How do you take a bald-headed flog like Koch seriously?

You don’t. The Cash Cow has more credibility.

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 6, 2022 12:06 pm

Sorry Dover, to dumb to link but will paste below:-

Sunrise host David Koch slams senior pastor linked to controversial beliefs
The morning TV host used an interview with a controversial pastor to question his church’s views on homosexuality and abortion.

Madeleine Achenza
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October 6, 2022 – 9:31AM
NCA NewsWire
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00:53
Kochie slams leader from Thorburn’s church (Sunrise)
The sunrise host savaged a senior pastor from the church for their controversial statements about homosexuality and abortion.
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Sunrise host David Koch has savaged a senior pastor at the church attended by former Essendon chief executive Andrew Thorburn.

Mr Thorburn resigned from the role just 30 hours into the job after he was condemned for his links to the City on the Hill church.

The church’s controversial views on abortion and homosexuality were found to be in direct contradiction to the values of the Essendon Football .

The Sunrise morning show invited City on a Hill senior pastor Guy Mason to respond to public criticism of the church’s values.

David Koch probed the church leader on the Christian church’s views. Picture: Sunrise
David Koch probed the church leader on the Christian church’s views. Picture: Sunrise
“Even the most conservative bloke I think I know, Peter Dutton, called your views an abomination,” Koch said to round out a heated interview with the pastor.

Mr Mason was staunch in his defence of his church’s values and threw his support behind the former Essendon boss.

“I know Andrew to be a great man, he is a man of integrity, generosity, warmth and he is a man of faith and I admire that in him,” Mr Mason said.

Former Essendon chief executive Andrew Thorburn resigned on his second day in the role. Picture: Supplied
Former Essendon chief executive Andrew Thorburn resigned on his second day in the role. Picture: Supplied
Koch moved swiftly to confirm whether the former Essendon boss aligned with the church’s statements on abortion and homosexuality.

“You need to ask him his views,” Mr Mason replied.

“He wouldn’t be chairman of your board unless he shared the same views the church does,” Koch said.

The morning show host pushed the pastor, asking the church leader to explain statements made by the church in past sermons.

City on the Hill senior pastor Guy Mason said he would not use the same words he used in past statements. Picture: Sunrise
City on the Hill senior pastor Guy Mason said he would not use the same words he used in past statements. Picture: Sunrise
“But comparing abortion to the Holocaust is not love, it’s not inclusion,” Koch said.

“There are so many other churches that are tolerant, are inclusive. You all read the same book, why do you have this hard line and not so loving view?”

Mr Mason said Koch was taking a quote from 10 years ago and the statement was not meant to be “inflammatory”.

“I’d use different words today,” he said.

Koch drilled down on the church’s beliefs surrounding homosexuality and abortion. Picture: Sunrise
Koch drilled down on the church’s beliefs surrounding homosexuality and abortion. Picture: Sunrise
Finally, Koch called to question how the former AFL boss was going to stand up during the upcoming AFLW pride round and support the celebration of the game’s LGBTQIA+ community.

“Why did he apply for the job when he knew the values of the Essendon Football Club were completely different to the values of his church and faith?” he asked.

“When the pride round comes up in the AFLW in a couple of weeks, how could he have honestly stood there and encouraged the sentiment around pride round?”

“A footy club is about loving the game and the jumper and it’s bringing together of people of all different walks of life,” Mr Mason replied

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 6, 2022 12:08 pm

Of particular interest is this quote from above article.

Koch drilled down on the church’s beliefs surrounding homosexuality…

Phrasing…

Chris
Chris
October 6, 2022 12:13 pm

Sheesh struth, halfway through the VO before breakfast? FMD.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 6, 2022 12:13 pm

Koch drilled down on the church’s beliefs surrounding homosexuality

Apparently rated well in Sydney.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
October 6, 2022 12:18 pm

Meme:

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bons
bons
October 6, 2022 12:18 pm

I surrendered lots of sleep watching CPAC, burning up my host’s excellent internet connection.
It was cleverly presented, entertaining, but no more than comfort food for the dispossessed.
The fact that the majority of speakers were Speccie staff or contributors, and no significant Liberal pollies attended, highlights the bankruptcy of Conservative support in Australia. The topics were tired.
We are a people who cannot even prevent our premier state branch from implementing marxist tyranny on behalf of putrid cronies. These ‘Liberal’ creeps permitted a squilionaire thug to buy six ‘rotten boroughs’ in their heartland.
We have to accept that Conservatism in this country lacks any levers that would permit influence, indeed we are about to learn that we cannot even protect ourselves from tyrannical supression and dispossession.
Even the once reliable Murdoch outfit is on the cusp of total submission as a consequence of generation three decadence.
The flagship IPA, remains a pompous irrelevant playground for academics too cowardly to face the fires of the campus. It is even deserted by its original sponsors, the Corporates.
Mundine’s initiative is admirable but doomed. There is no money, no means of broad-based ‘in your face’ communication and is vulnerable to lawfare and gangsterism.
It will take national collapse and a generation before conservative grass roots re-emerge.
I will no longer donate or subscribe to organisations that have no chance of achieving change, or as in the case of the IPA, don’ seek change. We need to conserve our dwindling assets. Warm and fuzzy is no longer affordable.
I’ll stick with the Speccie, solely because it is more entertaining and cheaper than Netflix.
I’m still waiting for my Folau refund!

Zipster
Zipster
October 6, 2022 12:19 pm

The church’s controversial views on abortion and homosexuality were found to be in direct contradiction to the values of the Essendon Football .

essendon pooftaball club

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 6, 2022 12:20 pm

Koch is and always was a repulsive meja parasite. The meja incubate and foster way too many of these types. Can’t the legacy meja just hurry up and die?

Lysander
Lysander
October 6, 2022 12:20 pm

Koch is a cock.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 6, 2022 12:21 pm

bons, perhaps celebrate it could be held at all.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 6, 2022 12:21 pm

What actually is the ‘pride’ round?

Is it an all-gay footy game?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 6, 2022 12:23 pm

Can’t the legacy meja just hurry up and die?

It is taking a while isn’t it?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 6, 2022 12:30 pm

Sad Sook Struth, what a hero! How’s the Hartley going? tick tick tick. The sound of Ken Worth thinking.

Zipster
Zipster
October 6, 2022 12:30 pm

We have to accept that Conservatism in this country lacks any levers that would permit influence, indeed we are about to learn that we cannot even protect ourselves from tyrannical supression and dispossession.

We’ve reached an end to the old left/right divide, the left are flaming out in a bonfire of madness and insanity, conservatives are deer caught in the headlight of the future. I expect both to reinvent themselves or be replaced entirely by new alternatives.

m0nty
October 6, 2022 12:32 pm

Part two of that analysis of the Ukraine war I linked to the other day.

tl;dr (which is something you say on the Internet when you are about to sum up a link for those who don’t have time to read it):

The Ukrainians have succeeded in two main areas, which are targeting Russian rail links with HIMARS artillery, and fooling Russians with deceptive propaganda to hide their real troop movements and targets. This has led to the current situation in Kherson where they are toying with 25,000 Russian troops like a cat with a half-dead bird, while they finish off cutting key supply lines.

There is a fair bit of mayo on that article, but you can’t argue with most of it.

Jorge
Jorge
October 6, 2022 12:33 pm

Holocaust is exactly what it is.

This needs to be flung right back at Koch. We’re too nice and they aren’t.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 6, 2022 12:36 pm

They breed ’em nasty in Perth:

A teen who was with the 15-year-old accused of dragging a pregnant mum to the ground and sending her pram flying in an attempt to rob her is being held over a shockingly similar alleged crime.

Daily Mail

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 6, 2022 12:39 pm

Shades of Monica!

Ms Higgins – who the court earlier heard was ‘Schoolies drunk’ that night – struggled to buckle her shoes up after walking through security again.

She then walked barefoot in a white cocktail dress through the corridors, carrying her shoes in her hand, according to the clip.

Ms Higgins told the court she kept the white cocktail dress in a plastic bag under her bed for about six months.

She told the court that, once it was clear she couldn’t report the alleged assault without losing her job, she ‘very symbolically washed the dress’.

‘I wore it once more but I never wore it again after that.’

Daily Mail

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 6, 2022 12:40 pm

If the SFL collected all their conservative values together they would not amount to one of Cassie’s rants. They may as well take their bat and no balls and go home. I think they are well past saving.

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2022 12:40 pm

The church’s controversial views on abortion and homosexuality were found to be in direct contradiction to the values of the Essendon Football .

Essendon Abortion as Birth Control ARFC?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 6, 2022 12:40 pm

In That’s a Bit Awkward news:

Queens Wharf, Brisbane’s biggest and most transformative development, is a joint venture between lead partner, The Star Entertainment Group, and its Hong-Kong based partners, Chow Tai Fook Enterprises and Far East Consortium. The Star Casino is a centrepiece in the development.

Oops:

The Star Entertainment Group has been deemed unsuitable to hold its dual Queensland casino licences after a powerful inquiry, including the yet-to-open $3.6 billion Queen’s Wharf development in Brisbane.

But luckily:

The company will have an opportunity to respond via a show cause notice before the government can take action including fines, a suspension or cancellation of its licence.

Watch this space, as the Palacechook Government ventures deep into Brown Paper Bag country…

Lysander
Lysander
October 6, 2022 12:45 pm

She told the court that, once it was clear she couldn’t report the alleged assault without losing her job, she ‘very symbolically washed the dress’.

so… the dress still has DNA on it?

struth
struth
October 6, 2022 12:46 pm

The embittered all cross at the winner of life’s lottery in upbringing. ..struth…who’s parents taught him what it was to be a man.
Not a Karen.
A western man…
Tick tick tick………

You’d have to be one fucking dumb bastard to let anti human commos inject you.
You’d have to be a miserable sod to hiss at those much smarter than you with teenage level crap Because you’ve got nuthin’.. ..

Tick tick tick

duncanm
duncanm
October 6, 2022 12:48 pm

Higgins’ alleged rape is increasingly pointed at the liberal party. Why would that be?

I wasn’t sure because of all the party political stuff how I could progress or whether I could proceed without losing my job.

.. and there was (alleged) evidence — but she destroyed it?

.. the cocktail dress she had been wearing that night…. I kept it under my bed in a plastic bag for a good six months, untouched, uncleaned

and we have..

an ACT Supreme Court jury on Wednesday morning she was phoned by an Australian Federal Police during the 2019 election, months after the alleged incident, asking if she was being pressured not to come forward, “and at the time I denied it”.

Now.. let’s summarise the timeline.
March 23, 2019 – alleged rape
2 weeks later – AFP receive info from Parliament House department (?)
April – AFP review video tapes
April 1 – Higgins discusses report with Reynolds in her office, where “Reynolds had raised the option of going to the police”
April – Higgins’ decides not to proceed with charges. Asked by AFP if she’s being pressured not to press charges, says no.
May – Fed election
September or later — washes dress.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 6, 2022 12:48 pm

That lovely white cocktail dress had chocolate spew on it, didn’t it?

m0nty
October 6, 2022 12:51 pm

25K troops you say, does he say how many the UKR have in theatre there?

He does not. Also, most of the stuff I have read puts the Russian forces trapped in Kherson at about 15k. Like I said, a bit of mayo involved there.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 6, 2022 12:54 pm

‘I wore it once more but I never wore it again after that.’

I suspect getting pissed and vomiting in the minister’s tends to make your clothes shrink

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2022 12:54 pm

TE

She told the court that, once it was clear she couldn’t report the alleged assault without losing her job, she ‘very symbolically washed the dress’.

‘I wore it once more but I never wore it again after that.’

Had she got some kind of a career “boost”, rather than a sideways move, what are the odds that this story would never have become public?

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2022 12:55 pm

GreyRangasays:
October 6, 2022 at 12:40 pm
If the SFL collected all their conservative values together they would not amount to one of Cassie’s rants. They may as well take their bat and no balls and go home. I think they are well past saving.

So what is the next move for those of a conservative inclination?

Chris
Chris
October 6, 2022 12:56 pm

The death of conservatism?
I don’t think so. I think it is being reborn from the base of individual pursuit of growth.
That is what the Jordan Peterson phenomenon is part of.

When some purple-eared freak is given control of your children its YOUR JOB to make sure they can be trusted. GROW UP.
When everyone around you refuses to see that the ABC is broadcasting fashionable obsessions that result in corruption of the values of your society, you figure out an ethical response and take responsibility for your own stuff. Withhold going along with others who capitulate willingly to the cults of Moloch.
I will now stand up straight, clean my room, do the lobster claw salute of our legions, and try to GROW UP.
As I learn what it takes to get my mother buried, get the burial paid for, collect and resolve the debts and assets of my loved dead, I am learning indeed to grow up.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 6, 2022 12:56 pm

‘I wore it once more but I never wore it again after that.’
Well, she has gained ten kilos.
ooof… like I said, this case will make boors of us all.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 6, 2022 12:57 pm

Didn’t someone say that Higgins was on the promise of a $250k book?

Kneel
Kneel
October 6, 2022 12:59 pm

“He’s [Trump] famous y’know, and you can say anything you like about a famous righty if you’re a journo.”

As Tim Pool points out, Project Veritas’ case against the New York Slimes introduces another aspect that may come up – viz, you can’t intermix opinion with fact. If you publish a “news” piece, and put opinion in it, people might reasonably think that the opinion is fact, you see. If it’s an opinion piece, you can say whatever you like about a famous personage, even “Trump is Hitler”, but if it’s a news piece, the aforementioned precedent may change things if you publish the exact same words. So context will likely matter bigly – if the judge believed they said it as part of a news piece, not an opinion piece, they might be in deep do-do.

CNN can’t use “Fact Checkers”, as (IIRC) Facebook has claimed in court that these are just opinions too – obviously, you can’t say it’s proven to be a fact by relying on someone’s opinion.

So not perhaps as clear cut as it may first appear to be, and certainly dependent upon how smart and how eloquent Trump’s lawyers are and what judge they get (on appeals as well), as well as the specifics of the facts for each alleged incident.

struth
struth
October 6, 2022 1:01 pm

Notice I never stir Monty about getting injected.
It’s expected
He is just dumb left wing sheep.
You knew what he was going to do straight away.

You knew better.
You knew better before you were presented with all the moral ethical and safety arguments.
Yet not only did you go ahead with submitting. …you mocked those who did not.
You allowed them to take the weight of the fight while you flashed your Nazipasses everywhere
Pure scum.
Monty is gone.
He’s not worth the spit.

The c…ts so up themselves and so dismissive of standing against this while claiming to be right wing deserve all that is coming to them.
To not even have the decency to stay silent on the jabs…just in case they were deadly…means we will never know how many were swayed by their smug ignorance and weakness of character and got jabbed.
These types are of no use to the world and no great loss.

bespoke
bespoke
October 6, 2022 1:04 pm

Top Endersays:
October 6, 2022 at 12:36 pm
They breed ’em nasty in Perth:

Tuff choice.

Take a video or intervene and be portrayed as the aggressor.

Chris
Chris
October 6, 2022 1:05 pm

My mistake, the VO is finished.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 6, 2022 1:05 pm

Well, she has gained ten kilos.

Brittany yesterday.

(Linky)

Lysander
Lysander
October 6, 2022 1:05 pm

After encountering many morons on twitter last night who contend that the High Court Justices were either wrong or paid off by Abbott and Co to set Pell free, I sincerely worry for our future. Where do they get these inane “ideas?”

Lysander
Lysander
October 6, 2022 1:06 pm

Well, she has gained ten kilos.

Yup. She’s a heifer now.

(No offence to heifers).

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2022 1:08 pm

Still waiting over at the Duelling Thread St Ruth.
If you are up for it, that is.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2022 1:11 pm

Lysander

Where do they get these inane “ideas?”

From the absolute conviction that they, and only they, are the only ones with access to the “truth”.

See also: m0nty-fa.

m0nty
October 6, 2022 1:12 pm

No db, I have not seen anything about that.

m0nty
October 6, 2022 1:13 pm

I guess it’s hard to gauge numbers from an attacking force on the move, especially since they have been spread across the oblast with a number advancing from the north while others come from the west. When they all converge around Kherson to lay an old-fashioned siege then it might be easier to count.

Lysander
Lysander
October 6, 2022 1:14 pm

This idiot is hellbent on global destruction:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday signed a decree that ruled out any talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, declaring they would be an “impossibility.”

Lysander
Lysander
October 6, 2022 1:16 pm

Glenn Beck has also noted that there is absolutely zero per cent congressional oversight on the billions sent to Ukraine…

“10% for the big guy?”

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 6, 2022 1:21 pm

So don’t.
Once sentenced, call it case closed.
No further correspondence, except for a six-monthly welfare check.

Hmm — dare i mention Julian Assange? he’s done his 55 days for skipping bail in the UK and he’s still in solitary in Belmarsh prison. I wonder how the welfare checks are going?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 6, 2022 1:25 pm

Picked up a cheap boat recently, the motor has bit of a whine in it. Must have picked it up from the previous owner. I hear he loved that boat.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2022 1:30 pm

Clears throat…

Has anyone seen Prof. Flim Flammery lately?

bespoke
bespoke
October 6, 2022 1:33 pm

Check if it’s running on all cylinders, Ranga.

Rabz
October 6, 2022 1:34 pm

Some random thoughts on the drunken bimbo court case farce currently underway in the ALPCT.

There is no way the trial will go six weeks, it will struggle to make it beyond two (the case I was a juror on went for five and half days, after being told initially it could run for four weeks or longer).

Higgins and her legal team has zero evidence that would prove beyond any reasonable doubt that she was sexually assaulted, much less raped.

The appearance of that imbecile Wilkinson is beyond ridiculous. What could she possibly present to the court and jury that would amount to anything other than florid hearsay? Remember, this is the idiot that almost got the entire farce called off through some ill advised remarks (duly megaphoned by braindead lamestream meeja monkeys) that effectively amounted to prejudicing the accused’s right to a fair trial.

The empaneling of 16 jurors, 12 of whom need to return guilty verdicts is another disgraceful aspect of this entire sham and seems to have been done purely to ensure a conviction.

Whatever remains to played out in the court will eventually come down to “she said, he said” and whether or not the alleged victim was even aware of what actually took place in Reynold’s office.

It’s an absolute abomination and should never have even made it to trial. What a bloody joke.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
October 6, 2022 1:35 pm

bespoke says:
October 6, 2022 at 1:33 pm

Check if it’s running on all cylinders, Ranga.

Wot it’s got more than 1?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 6, 2022 1:37 pm

I’m a happy little heterosexual. I’m not proud of it, it isn’t my identity, it’s just a fact. I’m glad I’m not a poof or a trannie, because they’re a miserable bunch judging by the suicide stats.

They’ve obviously got some wires crossed in their brains, and taking pride in it is a bit of a giveaway that they know it themselves.

We should, of course, be kind to them, which doesn’t extend to encouraging them in their perverted ideas.

And what’s with this lgbqti++ crap? We should go back to calling them perverts. It’s shorter and more inclusive. 😉

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 6, 2022 1:39 pm

This will be a difficult one:

A 13-year old boy and seven other teenagers have been committed for trial over the alleged stabbing murder of Declan Cutler, 16.

The eight accused boys — aged 13 to 17 — each pleaded not guilty in a children’s court on Thursday, where they were ordered to face a jury over the alleged pack murder.

The decision of a magistrate to commit the youngest alleged offender, 13, meant that a jury could find he was criminally responsible for the killing, in Coburg on March 13.

Declan had left a Reservoir party to avoid a confrontation when he was allegedly set upon by a group and stabbed four times before dying within minutes.

The magistrate’s call to commit the boy came despite him being under 14, which under the law presumes he would not have had the knowledge to hold criminal intent.

It followed a psychologist’s earlier rejection of the presumption of “doli incapax” — translated from Latin to mean “incapable of evil” — who found that the boy knew the killing was morally wrong.

Meanwhile, a lawyer for another boy had tried to argue there wasn’t enough evidence for him to stand trial.

But the prosecutor stated while the case against that boy was circumstantial, it relied upon evidence of his clothing captured on CCTV, phone records and communications with witnesses that he was due to attend the Reservoir party.

The magistrate determined it was a matter for the jury, and committed him, along with his seven other co-accused.

All eight charged boys appeared one-by-one via video link from youth detention, where they were asked by the magistrate how they pleaded to the charge of murder, each stating, “Not guilty”.

When the magistrate tried to give them alibi cautions — noting they must give evidence to police within 14 days if they had an alibi — three boys said they didn’t know what an alibi was.

The magistrate explained: “If someone was charged with a crime and the crime was in Melbourne … (but they say) ‘I was in Sydney’, that’s an alibi: ‘I was somewhere else, it wasn’t me’.”

Asked if he understood, one boy replied, “Yes, Your Honour”.

The children’s court earlier heard that Declan would have died within minutes of being stabbed three times to the chest and once to the back, with the attack captured on CCTV.

Police at the time described the crime as “one of the most violent and brutal attacks” they had ever seen.

The case will return to the Supreme Court for a pre-trial hearing on October 11.

bespoke
bespoke
October 6, 2022 1:39 pm

Wot it’s got more than 1?

Given the previous owner probably not.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 6, 2022 1:45 pm

I wish I knew BJ. The libs I used to know were all hard workers and very generous. I’m at a loss. Political parties are all grifters now.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
October 6, 2022 1:50 pm

Last month French General Christian Blanchon paid tribute in the French press to the UNVACCINATED for their extraordinary achievement in withstanding immense – even inhuman – pressure from all sides.

His powerful message of “tribute” gives all the people who were defamed, marginalized and viciously attacked during the Corona period the credit they deserve. They stood strong against the worst imaginable kind of government and institutional coercion, and did so peacefully, courageously and intellectually.

https://notrickszone.com/2022/10/05/french-general-tributes-the-unvaccinated-superheroes-who-embody-the-best-of-humanity/

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 6, 2022 1:52 pm

If the Jihadi brides are brought to Australia, will their new husbands (in some cases) also be brought to Australia?
If Dutton wasn’t a potato head he’d be asking these questions in public when in front of the media.

No.
Making an issue of the husbands implies that it might be hunky dory to bring the just the women and kids back.
But lets say Dutton did make that mistake.
All Albanese has to do is say

No, the husbands aren’t being rescued

and he’s killed the issue stone dead.
Obviously, at some stage down the track we’re importing the husbands too, but let Albanese wear the responsibility for that.

bespoke
bespoke
October 6, 2022 1:53 pm

Gag!

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 6, 2022 1:56 pm

Looks like there’s been a clean out of deadwood in the Victorian Liberal Party.
I’d say Andrews has ran outta puff and the result will be tight now the voters have punished the Libs Federally and everyone’s mortgage has gone up a coupla hundred buck$ since then, with no end in sight.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
October 6, 2022 1:56 pm

DrBeauGan says:
October 6, 2022 at 1:37 pm

I’m a happy little heterosexual.

Exactly. While I agree with all that, I still hate poofs.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 6, 2022 1:58 pm

I know the previous owner still isn’t running on all cylinders. Spluttering all over the place. tick tick tick, must have a nervous tick.

V
V
October 6, 2022 2:00 pm

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7930357/warragamba-dam-wall-rise-now-critical/

I’m old enough to remember when Tim Flannery said Sydney’s dams would never be full again because of climate change.

Warragamba has overtopped 7 times since then and is predicted to go over again with the forecast La Nina.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 6, 2022 2:01 pm

“Even the most conservative bloke I think I know, Peter Dutton, called your views an abomination,” Koch said to round out a heated interview with the pastor.

Dutton is the most conservative guy Koch knows. And bear in mind that even that is only because he is leader of the Opposition. Koch could have more conservative neighbours a few houses down the street and not know them. But Dutton? Conservative? How conservative could he be in the Libs? I think Koch knows no conservatives.

“He wouldn’t be chairman of your board unless he shared the same views the church does,” Koch said.

In the matter of belief, if they all thought the same they would not need a board. Just one person. If the boards function is administrative then they do not need to have identical religious beliefs.

I really cannot abide the continued existence of Koch. A supposed master of making money he still earns his crust getting up and speaking in that strange falsetto voice to bleary-eyed housewives and pensioners for whom the bright lights and unconvincing rictus-joviality of that awful show serves to demarcate last night and this morning within the endless cycle of days.

Why isn’t the polished-pated bigmouth living large on his investments – drifting about the harbour on a gaudy yacht called “Big Koch” being served lobster breakfast, lunch, and dinner by scantily clad nymphets who rub scented lotion into his scalp and coo sensuously into his ear in a rather too obvious attempt to make up for all the girls at school who laughed at him?

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 6, 2022 2:10 pm

Koch said to round out a heated interview with the pastor.

Interview?
Knowing Kockhead it was a lecture where a question was asked, the “interviewee” starts to answer, and Kockhead then tells them what they should be answering.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 6, 2022 2:11 pm

Mother Lode Mother Lodesays:
October 6, 2022 at 2:01 pm

I’ve given you one uptick but would love to have given you 87 — ah well — rules is rules

Speedbox
October 6, 2022 2:11 pm

Well, she has gained ten kilos.

At least. Go back and look at her photos from 2019/20.

My comment about her weight increase is not being snide but I’m thinking of her alleged alcohol intake of 11 vodka shots over a 4 hour period on that night. That’s the equivalent of about 12.5 standard drinks and the impact on a woman who (in 2019) would have weighed about 54kgs, was obviously significant.

dopey
dopey
October 6, 2022 2:12 pm

Did she read the care label? Did it say ‘Dry Clean Only.’? Important questions.

struth
struth
October 6, 2022 2:13 pm

It’s roomy inside ranga’s head.

Tom
Tom
October 6, 2022 2:14 pm

Why isn’t the polished-pated bigmouth living large on his investments – drifting about the harbour on a gaudy yacht called “Big Koch” …

Thanks, ML. First belly laugh of the afternoon.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 6, 2022 2:15 pm

Well, she has gained ten kilos.

Brittany yesterday.

Well, ‘beer goggles’ is a thing, and the Lehrmann is not exactly a strapping Adonis. I suppose if you live in a bubble (and Canberra is as bubble-y a bubble as there ever was) then the sense of beauty lowers itself until it again makes contact with carnal possibility.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 6, 2022 2:16 pm

“very symbolically washed the dress’.

. Ms Higgins methinks is. stretching the truth somewhat — so she leaves the white cocktail dress in a plastic bag untouched, uncleaned for months (nice environment for mould and the like) then symbolically washes it and wears it again, once — I call BS with pike — lots of embroidery right there — could the defence perhaps call a diligent housewife to rebut that BS or better still an expert fabric and clothing dry-cleaning expert?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 6, 2022 2:19 pm

Big_Nambassays:
October 6, 2022 at 1:56 pm
DrBeauGan says:
October 6, 2022 at 1:37 pm

I’m a happy little heterosexual.

Exactly. While I agree with all that, I still hate poofs.

You need to settle down.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2022 2:20 pm

The appearance of that imbecile Wilkinson is beyond ridiculous. What could she possibly present to the court and jury that would amount to anything other than florid hearsay? Remember, this is the idiot that almost got the entire farce called off through some ill advised remarks (duly megaphoned by braindead lamestream meeja monkeys) that effectively amounted to prejudicing the accused’s right to a fair trial.

Err, Mrs Bandana is more likely to be of use to the defence. Firstly, she is dimmer than a fly-shit smattered 40 watt bulb, so will not see the traps being set. She will proudly spout her ‘mentoring’ from the stand, not realising that this ‘mentoring’ was, in fact, creating a fudged narrative.

The empaneling of 16 jurors, 12 of whom need to return guilty verdicts is another disgraceful aspect of this entire sham and seems to have been done purely to ensure a conviction.

I don’t think so Rabz. It isn’t a case of a majority 12/16 verdict will convict. The four reserve jurors are there in the likely event that a juror will be discharged. This is insurance against an aborted trial.

Whatever remains to played out in the court will eventually come down to “she said, he said” and whether or not the alleged victim was even aware of what actually took place in Reynold’s office.

Mmmyes.
Our Britnah’s recall seems to be remarkably lucid when it comes to certain events, but conveniently vague regarding 93.1% of the evening.

bespoke
bespoke
October 6, 2022 2:20 pm

Veritas gets another.

Vis instapundit

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 6, 2022 2:23 pm

Thorburn the latest sacrifice to cancel culture
KEVIN DONNELLY

The example of Andrew Thorburn, the recently appointed and departed chief executive of the Essendon AFL football club, being made to step down because of his Christian views and his links with the City on a Hill church should not surprise.

Thorburn joins a long list of those cancelled by the cultural left, including Geoffrey Blainey, Fred Hollows, Israel Folau, Margaret Court, Barry Humphries, Germaine Greer and JK Rowling, because of their failure to conform to neo-Marxist-inspired groupthink and mind control.

Especially targeted are those who express or are associated with Christian teachings that run counter to the prevailing woke ideology – an ideology committed to radical gender and sexuality theories and intent on undermining the nuclear family.

Much like George Orwell’s dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, where Big Brother and the Thought Police stifle independent thought and freedom of expression, we live in a time when conformity is enforced and anyone who questions the prevailing orthodoxy is vilified and attacked.

The Australian Christian Lobby’s Wendy Francis says if we no longer allow people to have freedom of thought and freedom of religion, we are in a “very sorry state”. She said the “hypocrisy” of the Essendon Football Club and… Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has been “well and truly More
As American non-binary feminist Camille Paglia has argued, “We are plunged once again into an ethical chaos where intolerance masquerades as tolerance and where individual liberty is crushed by the tyranny of the group.”

Woke cancel culture is a relatively recent phenomenon, but it is possible to trace its origins to the Communist Manifesto, written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels and published in 1848, and before that to the French Revolution, beginning in 1789. Under France’s Reign of Terror, those who questioned the ruling clique, including leading revolutionaries such as Georges Jacques Danton, were put to death.

The Communist Manifesto argues that such is the oppressive nature of capitalism, any action, no matter how violent or cruel, is justified. As Vladimir Lenin said, “Morality is whatever brings about the success of the proletarian revolution.”

The amoral and Machiavellian nature of Marxism is exposed in the writings of 20th-century Italian philosopher Augusto Del Noce: “Every kind of violence, every ruse, every illegal action, every dissimulation, and every deception become licit if they are deemed to be necessary to reach the goal.”

The origins of cancel culture also can be traced to the Frankfurt School established in Germany in the 1920s. The Marxist academics involved, who were disillusioned with Joseph Stalin, concluded workers in the West would never rebel and take to the barricades.

As British conservative politician Michael Gove noted in his book Celsius 7/7, “The thinkers of the Frankfurt School revised Marxism as primarily a cultural rather than an economic movement. Instead of traditional capitalism, scorn was directed at the reigning values of the West.”

Such was the extreme nature of the philosophy underpinning the Frankfurt School that Del Noce wrote: “Liberation becomes the criteria for truth (where) the disappearance of authority must be viewed as the end point of progressive thought.”

One academic associated with the Frankfurt School, and the person most responsible for today’s climate of cancelling free speech, is Herbert Marcuse, whose essay Repressive Tolerance argues there is no room for independent thought and free and open debate.

According to Marcuse and his disciples, tolerance, instead of being an inherent good, is condemned as a critical part of the ideological state apparatus employed by the capitalist class to enforce the status quo and oppress and marginalise “the other”.

Marcuse argues the existence of tolerance “strengthens the tyranny of the majority” and, as a result, “The conclusion reached is that the realisation of the objective of tolerance would call for intolerance toward prevailing policies, attitudes, opinions.”

As Jennifer Oriel writes in her chapter in my book of essays Cancel Culture and the Left’s Long March, “Marcuse argues it was accept­able to use ‘undemocratic means’ including ‘the withdrawal of toleration of speech and assembl­y’ from groups that dissented from left-wing politics.” During the cultural revolution of the late 1960s and early 70s, a time of anti-Vietnam moratoriums, youth rebellion, Woodstock and the pill, the neo-Marxist critique of capitalism and Western societies morphed into a rainbow alliance of centre-left theories.

Radical theories including postmodernism, deconstructionism and postcolonial, gender and sexuality theories, while often in disagreement, all embrace Marcuse’s argument that tolerance requires intolerance.

We now live in a society – although not as violent or oppressive as that of Nineteen Eighty-Four or communism under Stalin – where free and open debate is replaced by groupthink and where any who fail to conform, like Thorburn, are cancelled.

Reason and rationality no longer apply as such concepts are binary and Eurocentric. As Christopher Lasch noted: “Once knowledge is equated with ideology, it is no longer necessary to argue with opponents on intellectual grounds … it is enough to dismiss them as Eurocentric, racist, sexist, homophobic – in other words, as politically suspect.”

Oz

m0nty
October 6, 2022 2:26 pm

The pro-Ukraine shitposting on Twitter can get quite funny.

Cassie of Sydney
October 6, 2022 2:28 pm

“bonssays:
October 6, 2022 at 12:18 pm

Firstly Bons, I understand your frustrations but I take issue with your negativity. I attended CPAC and I had a wonderful time. I enjoyed the speakers, I enjoyed the dinner, I enjoyed meeting and talking to likeminded people*, it was all great. I don’t expect miracles in life but I’ll take little pleasures. Sure, it was comfort food but what’s wrong with that? Okay, it’d be great if CPAC Australia could nab Orange Man Bad to be a guest speaker, although I’m pretty sure that if that was to happen, rather than a 100 motley middle class scum turning up to demonstrate, we would have had hundreds or thousands. Whilst I understand your frustration with the current situation we find ourselves in, I don’t think you, me or anyone else should give up. That’s what they want, they want us to give up, they want us to leave public life, they want us to stay silent. And if nothing more, attending CPAC has stiffened my resolve to be resolute in the face of this progressive barbarism we find ourselves in. The reason why they’ve won is because we’ve stayed silent. Only this week we’ve seen what has happened with Andrew Thorburn. We need to rally, we need to organise, we need to speak up, we need to stop remaining silent and I can assure you, I will not be silent….actually, I’ve never been silent.

* And meeting up and talking with people who share our politics and our concerns is important, it’s why we’re here on the Cat, isn’t it? Okay, here on the Cat we don’t physically interact but we do engage with likeminded people, and that’s important, very important.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2022 2:29 pm

Rogersays:
October 6, 2022 at 1:30 pm
Clears throat…

Has anyone seen Prof. Flim Flammery lately?

Last seen on the roof of his Hawkesbury Riverside home?

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2022 2:30 pm

As British conservative politician Michael Gove noted in his book Celsius 7/7, “The thinkers of the Frankfurt School revised Marxism as primarily a cultural rather than an economic movement. Instead of traditional capitalism, scorn was directed at the reigning values of the West.”

Not exactly…the premise of both Gramsci & the Frankfurt School is that to be deCapitalised, Western society must be deChristianised.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2022 2:33 pm

GreyRangasays:
October 6, 2022 at 1:45 pm
I wish I knew BJ. The libs I used to know were all hard workers and very generous. I’m at a loss. Political parties are all grifters now.

Truth!

Lysander
Lysander
October 6, 2022 2:33 pm

Jordan Peterson says the last act of discrimination that will be targeted by progressives is marriage.

How dare you be allowed to single out one person for lifelone marriage. That’s discrimination against all others.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2022 2:38 pm

Not exactly…the premise of both Gramsci & the Frankfurt School is that to be deCapitalised, Western society must be deChristianised.

So the economic goal is still there, they just intend to reach it via a different route than classical Marxism.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 6, 2022 2:39 pm

Here’s a quote from the sports section of Tuesday’s The Australian:

More recently, he [Thorburn] has been involved with start ups, entrepreneurs, and not for profits.

That’s from running Bank of New Zealand from 2008-2014 and NAB from 2014-2019.
So, no, Christians aren’t being thrown to the lions yet, the guy was just a poor choice, and the brouhaha was window dressing.

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2022 2:40 pm
DaFisk
DaFisk
October 6, 2022 2:40 pm

This idiot is hellbent on global destruction:

Interesting perspective, Lysander. How do you think global destruction is likely to come about?

Rabz
October 6, 2022 2:44 pm

It isn’t a case of a majority 12/16 verdict will convict. The four reserve jurors are there in the likely event that a juror will be discharged. This is insurance against an aborted trial

Thanks, Pancho, not how I heard it reported, but then it was chiple jay news and the silly moaning hemorrhoid we’re talking about. Cue the SMH below:

Once the jury of 16 had been selected (10 women, six men, but only 12 of their verdicts will be counted)

No mention of reserves in the piece quoted above. Just checked the ALPBC news and it at least mentions the following:

A larger than usual jury of 10 women and six men was selected for the trial on Tuesday morning. Four of the jurors are reserves; only 12 will be responsible for reaching a verdict. Chief Justice Lucy McCallum said the number of jurors had been increased for this trial “to guard against the risk of losing jurors along the way”.

I notice that all 16 have been sitting in on the case, hopefully “the reserves” have been clearly identified.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 6, 2022 2:46 pm

Thorburn disassociated himself from his church’s rhetoric on abortion and flamers, so no attack on Christianity, not that this church sounds particularly Christian.
They’re probably saying similar things at the Ashram, the Buddhist Temple, and down at the Mosque.

m0nty
October 6, 2022 2:47 pm

It seems to me the only plausible reason for doing this is to control the public narrative about the war.

The other reason, as detailed in the link I provided earlier today, is to deceive the Russian military into thinking that they had enough troops committed to the front – that a SMO-sized force was enough. Those battlefield tactics seemed to have been more decisive than fleeting public opinion.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 6, 2022 2:51 pm

Under France’s Reign of Terror, those who questioned the ruling clique, including leading revolutionaries such as Georges Jacques Danton, were put to death.

Who wrote this tripe.
The big issue is how a Footy Club can afford a CEO.
Where’s the dosh coming from?

P
P
October 6, 2022 2:51 pm

UNDERSTANDING THE NEW ABNORMAL
by Francis X. Maier
10 . 4 . 22

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2022 2:52 pm

the UKR has had more troops in theatre than RUS from the start, approx. a 2:1 advantage

Mmm…in that case, given the basic premise of force concentration that defenders have a 3:1 advantage over attackers, Putin & his generals have made massive miscalculations from the start.

Dot
Dot
October 6, 2022 2:55 pm

Wow, did Nick Reikata really get banned from Yew Chube today?

Probably some salty antifa bitch whinging about Kyle Rittenhouse.

m0nty
October 6, 2022 3:00 pm

Mmm…in that case, given the basic premise of force concentration that defenders have a 3:1 advantage over attackers, Putin & his generals have made massive miscalculations from the start.

Yeah, it’s a bit late now for Putinist tankies to be saying “no fair, you have too many guys, that’s not cricket”.

DaFisk
DaFisk
October 6, 2022 3:04 pm

Mmm…in that case, given the basic premise of force concentration that defenders have a 3:1 advantage over attackers, Putin & his generals have made massive miscalculations from the start.

Also, according to Putinists (here and on Twitter), the war is inevitably going Russia’s way regardless of Ukraine tactical victories in the present. So why does Putin need to threaten nuclear strikes when a conventional victory is assured?

Mc
Mc
October 6, 2022 3:08 pm

So, no, Christians aren’t being thrown to the lions yet, the guy was just a poor choice, and the brouhaha was window dressing.

I would like to believe that Ed, but if that were the case, why do Dan and koche feel the need to put the boots in on the grounds of faith. A very clear signal is being sent.

bespoke
bespoke
October 6, 2022 3:08 pm

GreyRangasays:
October 6, 2022 at 1:45 pm
I wish I knew BJ. The libs I used to know were all hard workers and very generous. I’m at a loss. Political parties are all grifters now.

From my experience. You have to know someone close to get word in and even then the time is limited. That’s why I’m not so inthousastic about talk fest like CPac.
It’s a feel good exercise for the converted nothing more.

Roger
Roger
October 6, 2022 3:10 pm

I have to say I’ve given more attention to the war from the legal and political angles than to what’s been happening in detail on the ground. I’m really surprised by that troop ratio. Could it be the Russians really believed they’d be welcomed as liberators in eastern Ukraine? How else to explain it other than as sheer ineptitude which unnecessarily put their troops in grave danger?

Lysander
Lysander
October 6, 2022 3:13 pm

Grigs rules that Thorburn’s Church “isn’t very Christian” because they against homosexuality and have moral standards.

Wow. What a duplicitous liar (or moron). Take your pick.

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2022 3:13 pm

DaFisksays:
October 6, 2022 at 3:04 pm
Mmm…in that case, given the basic premise of force concentration that defenders have a 3:1 advantage over attackers, Putin & his generals have made massive miscalculations from the start.

Also, according to Putinists (here and on Twitter), the war is inevitably going Russia’s way regardless of Ukraine tactical victories in the present. So why does Putin need to threaten nuclear strikes when a conventional victory is assured?

Perhaps because Putin knows the Russian military is in a parlous state with antiquated hardware, corruption, and is incapable of obtaining air superiority that allows attacks on supply lines, depots, etc. Their strategy has been abysmal, from that ridiculous purported “feint” maneuver of troops all along the border to the inability to hold taken ground. It’s almost as if they are poorly trained, lack morale, and wonder what the hell they are fighting for.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 6, 2022 3:14 pm

Shades of Monica!

Post-feminist Cinderella.

C.L.
C.L.
October 6, 2022 3:16 pm

I thought it was interesting how Higgins described her massive booze intake.

“The shots just kept coming,” she said yesterday.

Reminded me of Dalrymple’s “the knife went in.”

The shot glasses just wouldn’t leave her alone.

Also reminded me of how Melvin Udall wrote women so well. “I think of a man. And I take away reason and accountability.”

Lysander
Lysander
October 6, 2022 3:17 pm

Interesting perspective, Lysander. How do you think global destruction is likely to come about?

A few things DaShpincht…

Signing an agreement that says you’re never going to talk is a start.

Or how about asking for an “express pass” to NATO so Russia can be accused of invading NATO territory… He knows exactly what comes of this. And yet he still applies.

Pretty sure that doesn’t end well.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 6, 2022 3:17 pm

She told the court that, once it was clear she couldn’t report the alleged assault without losing her job, she ‘very symbolically washed the dress’.

Apparently she asked Christian Porter whether he knew anyone who could help. No luck.

DaFisk
DaFisk
October 6, 2022 3:18 pm

Could it be the Russians really believed they’d be welcomed as liberators in eastern Ukraine?

Yes, they did. And they also thought Kyiv would collapse in a matter of days (the alternative explanation is that they encircled, parked for over a month, and then dumped a huge load of equipment in a disorderly retreat from Kyiv through a brilliant “fixing” or “feinting” strategy!).

DaFisk
DaFisk
October 6, 2022 3:20 pm

Pretty sure that doesn’t end well.

You mean, you don’t want to just come out and say “Putin will launch a nuclear strike on Ukraine because he is losing a conventional war there”???

C’mon, Putinists! Too much abstract guff – let’s have some specifics: who will launch a nuclear weapon against whom and why?

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 6, 2022 3:21 pm

… why do Dan and koche feel the need to put the boots in on the grounds of faith. A very clear signal is being sent.

That’s right, but Andrew Thorburn isn’t the hill to die on here.
He disavowed his own church’s dissing of flamers and abortions, so what is worth defending about him?

m0nty
October 6, 2022 3:22 pm

No, we don’t even get figures after the fact. But, again, I’m not even talking about official UKR figures or estimates, there is little to no speculation from pro-UKR analysts and commentators. Have you, for instance, seen any estimate of numbers that involved in first week of Kharkov offensive over a month ago? What about over the last three weeks in Lyman?

To be fair, the estimates of Russian numbers are suppositional at best as well, even when they are stationary as in Kherson. Countries at war don’t tend to post accurate troop sizes, for obvious reasons. We will only get a full picture of relative numbers after the war is over, maybe many years after.

There is as much mystery surrounding current troop levels as there is about how the Russian mobilisation is going. When are the new chums going to arrive at the front in any great number?

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2022 3:22 pm

C.L.says:
October 6, 2022 at 3:16 pm
I thought it was interesting how Higgins described her massive booze intake.

“The shots just kept coming,” she said yesterday.

Reminded me of Dalrymple’s “the knife went in.”

I’m surprised it even got to court because of all the publicity declaring lock him up! I have a suspicion she wasn’t going to pursue this course of action but was nudged, pushed, cajoled, and told outright to it take to court by the likes of Bandana batshit crazy woman and Tame. It’s too convenient she forgot certain details, was absolutely sloshed when she walked into Parliament House, and decided to wash that dress after all. The narrative is too constructed to be believable. More likely they both thought it would be arousing to fuck in Parliament House in the dead of night.

DaFisk
DaFisk
October 6, 2022 3:22 pm

There’s a further angle we need to explore here as well – if Putin does launch a nuclear strike due to his failed conventional war, I wonder if anyone here will condemn that action?

Let’s have it out in the open it from our local Putinists – if Putin launches a nuclear weapon in response to Russian conventional losses on internationally-recognised Ukrainian territory, will you condemn Putin for that or not?

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 6, 2022 3:23 pm

Too many comments from when I last read this site to scroll up and I apologise if it’s been mentioned.
I note a young lady, who adheres to the religion that shouts Allahu Akbar quite often, is standing out of the AFLW Pride match this week.
Have at it media whores! Chase her out of her spot in the side!

johanna
johanna
October 6, 2022 3:24 pm

Also reminded me of how Melvin Udall wrote women so well. “I think of a man. And I take away reason and accountability.”

Oi!

And, who TF is Melvin Udall?

Generalisations like that put you in the same boat (if it were possible, but alas …) as St Ruth.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 6, 2022 3:25 pm

The denialism about Russia’s anti-human COVID policies has to stop
It’s extremely embarrassing.
Edward Slavsquat, 16 hr ago

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 6, 2022 3:26 pm

More recently, he [Thorburn] has been involved with start ups, entrepreneurs, and not for profits.

Give yourself a tick Groogs. He’s untouchable. Would have been a good fit at Essendon.

Zipster
Zipster
October 6, 2022 3:27 pm
Lysander
Lysander
October 6, 2022 3:28 pm

Sphincter.
Where have I ever said Putin would launch nukes in any single post. Ever. Furthermore, where have I ever said “I support Putin.” Ever.

I’ve always said on this blog, to your chagrin and others, that I think its baddies Vs baddies and I take the piss out of both sides (but you tend to get riled up and make wild presumptions when I attack your homo pal in UKR).

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
October 6, 2022 3:28 pm

I was interested in the 16 member jury situation in the Canberra show trial. Dr Google:

It seems that all 16 sit through the evidence and the reserve jurors are discharged when the judge directs the jury to consider their verdict, so only the 12 deliver the verdict.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 6, 2022 3:29 pm

Let’s have it out in the open it from our local Putinists – if Putin launches a nuclear weapon in response to Russian conventional losses on internationally-recognised Ukrainian territory, will you condemn Putin for that or not?

Settle down, DaFisk.
You’ve been reasonably sane lately, but there’s no way Putler is launching a Nuke, unless it’s at his own troops.

Lysander
Lysander
October 6, 2022 3:31 pm

Edward Slavsquat

Wow grogs, reputable source! He has at least 160 followers on YouTube lol!

DaFisk
DaFisk
October 6, 2022 3:31 pm

Where have I ever said Putin would launch nukes in any single post. Ever. Furthermore, where have I ever said “I support Putin.” Ever.

Oh ok. So you don’t think nuclear armageddon is going to happen. Cool cool. So why do you keep talking about it?

DaFisk
DaFisk
October 6, 2022 3:32 pm

(but you tend to get riled up and make wild presumptions when I attack your homo pal in UKR).

This is really strange – I don’t actually have any gay friends at all in Ukraine. Who are you talking about?

m0nty
October 6, 2022 3:32 pm

We’d all like to think Putin wouldn’t press the button to launch a nuke, but no one knows except him.

Whether the nuke would get launched is another matter, given the decrepitude of the Russian military and its equipment.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 6, 2022 3:34 pm

Ed Case says:
October 6, 2022 at 2:46 pm
Thorburn disassociated himself from his church’s rhetoric on abortion and flamers, so no attack on Christianity,

Apart from the fact that the Essendon Board released a statement saying the exact opposite, I’d believe you Ed.

Cassie of Sydney
October 6, 2022 3:36 pm

“Let’s have it out in the open it from our local Putinists

DaStink’s go to smear.

m0nty
October 6, 2022 3:36 pm

Thorburn disassociated himself from his church’s rhetoric on abortion and flamers, so no attack on Christianity,

Did he though? I thought he launched into a Voltairean defence of those views. He did do multiple pres statements IIRC, so maybe I missed one.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 6, 2022 3:37 pm

Grigs rules that Thorburn’s Church “isn’t very Christian” because they against homosexuality and have moral standards.

It preaches Prosperity Christianity [which is Satanic] and throws in some
anti abortion/flamers windowdressing to tart it up for the dopes.

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2022 3:40 pm

Ed Casesays:
October 6, 2022 at 3:29 pm
Let’s have it out in the open it from our local Putinists – if Putin launches a nuclear weapon in response to Russian conventional losses on internationally-recognised Ukrainian territory, will you condemn Putin for that or not?

Settle down, DaFisk.
You’ve been reasonably sane lately, but there’s no way Putler is launching a Nuke, unless it’s at his own troops.

Russian military doctrine allows for the use of nuclear weapons when Russia’s borders are threatened. That ridiculous referendum allows Putin to use nuclear weapons if UKR does step into those regions Russians claims as its own.

The problem with mobilisation is it could result in a cannon fodder situation because those troops will not be well trained and probably not that willing to go to war. Modern wars are won with modern weapons and highly trained personnel. Russia doesn’t have enough of those. If the mobilisation gets underway and Russia is experiencing heavy losses the temptation will be great.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 6, 2022 3:40 pm

This be the link to peruse about aforementioned lady
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-02/haneen-zreika-aflw-pride-round-tanya-hosch-inclusion/100797858
This Tanya Hosch seems a bit of a fuckwits.

Zipster
Zipster
October 6, 2022 3:44 pm

This is really strange – I don’t actually have any gay friends at all in Ukraine. Who are you talking about?

Did you get a mail order ukie bride? why do you hate russians?

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 6, 2022 3:45 pm

In any case, Australia’s prisons are among the the most expensive in the world and they’re already overcrowded.

At least they gave me a private room in the Canberra Lockup

johanna
johanna
October 6, 2022 3:45 pm

Mutti Merkel gets a cash payoff from the UN:

The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) has granted its Nansen Prize to former German Chancellor Angela Merkel for her handling of the 2015 migrant crisis, praising her for taking in over a million asylum seekers.

Filippo Grandi, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, lavished praise for the former German leader stating, “By helping more than a million refugees to survive and rebuild, Angela Merkel displayed great moral and political courage.”

“It was true leadership, appealing to our common humanity, standing firm against those who preached fear and discrimination. She showed what can be achieved when politicians take the right course of action and work to find solutions to the world’s challenges rather than simply shift responsibility to others,” Grandi added according to a press release from the UNHCR.

According to the Austrian newspaper Kronen Zeitung, the prize received by Merkel also comes with around $150,000 of cash.

As well as all the under-the-table rewards for supporters, like lavishly paid, tax free sinecures, they also openly hand over cash, courtesy of members’ (i.e. taxpayers’) subscriptions to this bloated, corrupt and wasteful behemoth.

Describing Mutti’s welcoming of a million people from alien cultures, and who knows who they were, as a triumph, says it all.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 6, 2022 3:46 pm

Apart from Tuesday’s Australian, which was printed before it blew up, everything i’ve read has been on this website.
He did disavow the flamers/abortion stuff by saying that there was room for a range of views in that particular church, or words to that effect.
Which is a fair enough response, then he resigned 5 minutes later.
So, it wasn’t really about being a Christian.

m0nty
October 6, 2022 3:46 pm

The problem with mobilisation is it could result in a cannon fodder situation because those troops will not be well trained and probably not that willing to go to war. Modern wars are won with modern weapons and highly trained personnel. Russia doesn’t have enough of those. If the mobilisation gets underway and Russia is experiencing heavy losses the temptation will be great.

It will be piquant if Russia ends up losing its superpower status because in its post-communism phase it embraced the corruption inherent in capitalism without also building the strong institutions that are supposed to prevent such corruption.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2022 3:46 pm

Lysander

Had to re-phrase to beat spaminator.

Richard Cranium decides that Thorburn’s Church “isn’t very Christian” because they are against homosexuality and have moral standards.

What a duplicitous liar (or moron).

Embrace the power of and.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 6, 2022 3:50 pm

From Black Ball’s link

“We want the game to be inclusive, you don’t get to choose to just pick and choose who represents inclusion.”

that’s the AFL’s job.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 6, 2022 3:51 pm

Clears throat
Has anyone seen Prof. Flim Flammery lately?

‘Not drowning – waving’ perhaps?

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2022 3:51 pm

m0nty-fa

To be fair, the estimates of Russian numbers are suppositional at best as well, even when they are stationary as in Kherson. Countries at war don’t tend to post accurate troop sizes, for obvious reasons. We will only get a full picture of relative numbers after the war is over, maybe many years after.

There is as much mystery surrounding current troop levels as there is about how the Russian mobilisation is going. When are the new chums going to arrive at the front in any great number?

Good points, so why do you persist in giving us excited day by day accounts of the battles? Wait a bit, and when the dust settles, you might (only might) have a chance of saying something useful.

duncanm
duncanm
October 6, 2022 3:52 pm

I’m surprised it even got to court

The question is what are they trying to achieve? There’s no way – on current evidence – that they can prove a rope took place. Higgins seems hell bent on having the mud stick the Reynolds above all else.

The accused seems to be a bit-player in this opera.

Zipster
Zipster
October 6, 2022 3:52 pm

but there’s no way Putler is launching a Nuke

famous last words. I suspect this entire war is designed to give Biden some sort of “win” and make him look tough on the world stage, they haven’t thought through what the long term consequences are.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 6, 2022 3:52 pm

Modern wars are won with modern weapons and highly trained personnel. Russia doesn’t have enough of those. If the mobilisation gets underway and Russia is experiencing heavy losses the temptation will be great.

What’s the density of Ukro Troops at any given point and what’s the blast range of a nuke?
It doesn’t sound plausible, particularly since Russia claims it’s hopeless performance so far is due to reluctance to endanger civilian lives.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 6, 2022 3:52 pm

Could it be the Russians really believed they’d be welcomed as liberators in eastern Ukraine?

Might the Russians have underestimated the speed and amount of overt support the Ukes would get from the US and other Western European nations. They might have expected sharing intelligence but the Uke’s supporters have gone way beyond that – hence the Russians brought the army they thought would be sufficient against the Ukes to defeat them quickly to present the West a fait accompli from which negotiations, recriminations, and accommodations would begin.

I suspect the Germans would have preferred to have Russia take Ukraine quickly whereupon they could throw their arms up in the air and denounce Russian imperialism…while the gas continued flowing.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 6, 2022 3:53 pm

The UN is probably the only place you will see Mutti Merkel or an ex NZ politician.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2022 3:54 pm

DaFisk

Let’s have it out in the open it from our local Putinists – if Putin launches a nuclear weapon in response to Russian conventional losses on internationally-recognised Ukrainian territory, will you condemn Putin for that or not?

Not a Putinist (I think it would be good if both sides could lose), but anyone who launches a nuclear strike over the issues being contested in Ukraine must be condemned.

areff
areff
October 6, 2022 3:55 pm

this is the idiot that almost got the entire farce called off

That was Mrs Hany-Head’s explicit intention.

The chockie gobbler (who treats a hangover by gutsing a box of Roses?) had served her use by that stage.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 6, 2022 3:57 pm

The accused seems to be a bit-player in this opera.

I hope they give her a credit in the mini series. It certainly does seem to have developed a life of its own. Lot of agendas being driven here.

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2022 3:57 pm

Ed Casesays:
October 6, 2022 at 3:52 pm
Modern wars are won with modern weapons and highly trained personnel. Russia doesn’t have enough of those. If the mobilisation gets underway and Russia is experiencing heavy losses the temptation will be great.

What’s the density of Ukro Troops at any given point and what’s the blast range of a nuke?
It doesn’t sound plausible, particularly since Russia claims it’s hopeless performance so far is due to reluctance to endanger civilian lives.

Given Russian targeting isn’t that accurate there could be huge civilian losses but that misses the point. The Putin threat(this time I’m not bluffing!) and an attack is designed not to slay Ukraine troops but force a surrender.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 6, 2022 3:59 pm

Week 1 is not looking like a success:

Brittany Higgins has admitted she was ‘clearly wrong’ when she said she stashed the dress she was wearing on the night she was allegedly raped away for six months – after she was confronted with photo proof of herself wearing it.

Ms Higgins on Thursday had earlier told the rape trial of former colleague Bruce Lehrmann that she put the white cocktail dress in a plastic bag under her bed for six months, ‘untouched and uncleaned’, following the alleged sex attack by colleague Bruce Lehrmann.

She told Lehrmann’s rape trial that, once it was clear she couldn’t report the alleged assault without losing her job, she ‘very symbolically washed the dress’.

‘I wore it once more but I never wore it again after that.’

But in the ACT Supreme Court in Canberra on Thursday, Ms Higgins was shown a photograph of her wearing the same dress two months after the alleged attack.

The picture was taken at birthday celebrations for her defence minister boss Linda Reynolds in Perth in May 2019.

Under cross examination from Lehrmann’s lawyer Steven Whybrow, Ms Higgins denied lying – but admitted she had made a mistake.

Daily Mail

JC
JC
October 6, 2022 3:59 pm

How someone get fined $370 plus a loss of 3 points for doing 51k in a 40k zone? This place is just unreal.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 6, 2022 4:01 pm

m0nty-fa

It will be piquant if Russia ends up losing its superpower status because in its post-communism phase it embraced the corruption inherent in capitalism without also building the strong institutions that are supposed to prevent such corruption.

Post-Soviet Russia was mentored on its path to capitalism by lots of spivs from the US, many with DemonRat connections.

Note that the Obama and Biden administrations have also been engaged in destroying the “strong [US] institutions that are supposed to prevent such corruption” there. See FBI and many others.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 6, 2022 4:02 pm

Litigation does seem to develop a life of its own. Which is great if the bills are getting paid.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 6, 2022 4:02 pm

Mmm…in that case, given the basic premise of force concentration that defenders have a 3:1 advantage over attackers, Putin & his generals have made massive miscalculations from the start.

As discussed before, it depends on ‘what victory looks like’ …ie what are the Russian objectives? One school of thought is that the Russians are principally trying to demilitarise Ukraine (ie destroy its combat power), NOT to over run it. In that context, using the Russian troops to goad the Ukes into counterattacks (ie where the Ruskies not the Ukes are the defenders) then allows them to produce inordinate losses on the Ukes, particularly given the Russian tactic of withdrawing a dozen miles or so, then using massed artillery fires to slaughter the advancing Ukies.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 6, 2022 4:05 pm

Week 1 is not looking like a success:

Court is tougher than Teh Project.

DaFisk
DaFisk
October 6, 2022 4:07 pm

That ridiculous referendum allows Putin to use nuclear weapons if UKR does step into those regions Russians claims as its own.

But Ukraine has troops now in ALL of those regions (except Crimea which was annexed years ago). Why hasn’t Putin launched a nuke already??

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 6, 2022 4:07 pm

Let’s have it out in the open it from our local Putinists – if Putin launches a nuclear weapon in response to Russian conventional losses on internationally-recognised Ukrainian territory, will you condemn Putin for that or not?

Of course – the use of nuclear weapons is a line that has not been crossed since 1945.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 6, 2022 4:08 pm

The Putin threat(this time I’m not bluffing!) and an attack is designed not to slay Ukraine troops but force a surrender.

Putler has been saying he’s not bluffing anymore for the last 20 years.
Of course he’s bluffing.
If Joe Brandon was saying I’m not bluffing, yeah.

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 6, 2022 4:10 pm

The problem with mobilisation is it could result in a cannon fodder situation because those troops will not be well trained and probably not that willing to go to war.

1) Most likely the newly mobilised troops will NOT go to the front, but will instead replace other regular units with duties inside Russia – letting them go to the Ukraine
2) Putin has announced a LIMITED mobilisation, concentrating on those with some existing military training – ie reservists and former serving members. He isn’t calling up raw civilians.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 6, 2022 4:10 pm

How someone get fined $370 plus a loss of 3 points for doing 51k in a 40k zone?

You were doing 51 going past a Primary School between 7-9 or 2-4?

Cassie of Sydney
October 6, 2022 4:14 pm

“Brittany Higgins has admitted she was ‘clearly wrong’ when she said she stashed the dress she was wearing on the night she was allegedly raped away for six months – after she was confronted with photo proof of herself wearing it.

Ms Higgins on Thursday had earlier told the rape trial of former colleague Bruce Lehrmann that she put the white cocktail dress in a plastic bag under her bed for six months, ‘untouched and uncleaned’, following the alleged sex attack by colleague Bruce Lehrmann.

She told Lehrmann’s rape trial that, once it was clear she couldn’t report the alleged assault without losing her job, she ‘very symbolically washed the dress’.

‘I wore it once more but I never wore it again after that.’

But in the ACT Supreme Court in Canberra on Thursday, Ms Higgins was shown a photograph of her wearing the same dress two months after the alleged attack.”

They’ll have to scrub that from the book.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 6, 2022 4:14 pm

How someone get fined $370 plus a loss of 3 points for doing 51k in a 40k zone?

Traffic fines ceased being about road safety some time ago. Particularly in Victoriastan.

John H.
John H.
October 6, 2022 4:19 pm

DaFisksays:
October 6, 2022 at 4:07 pm
That ridiculous referendum allows Putin to use nuclear weapons if UKR does step into those regions Russians claims as its own.

But Ukraine has troops now in ALL of those regions (except Crimea which was annexed years ago). Why hasn’t Putin launched a nuke already??

Because he is hoping the mobilization will do the job.

flyingduksays:
October 6, 2022 at 4:10 pm
The problem with mobilisation is it could result in a cannon fodder situation because those troops will not be well trained and probably not that willing to go to war.

1) Most likely the newly mobilised troops will NOT go to the front, but will instead replace other regular units with duties inside Russia – letting them go to the Ukraine
2) Putin has announced a LIMITED mobilisation, concentrating on those with some existing military training – ie reservists and former serving members. He isn’t calling up raw civilians.

They have to go to the front. If Dover Beach is correct about the numbers they need to x3-4 increase troops at the front.

How much military training? The current forces have had the same training and are being shamed into retreat. It is not just the numbers of troops but also numbers of tanks etc. Russia needs to catch up with the 21st century and recognise that personnel without modern equipment are cannon fodder.

DaFisk
DaFisk
October 6, 2022 4:19 pm

Thanks to those who already responded. EVERYONE who concern trolls over “nuclear armageddon” in the abstract MUST be asked if they will specifically condemn a Russian first nuclear strike specifically. If no condemnation is forthcoming, it tells us a lot about their motivations!

@Zipster – how about you? Condemn Putin for a nuclear first strike or no?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 6, 2022 4:22 pm

C.L.says:

October 6, 2022 at 3:16 pm

I thought it was interesting how Higgins described her massive booze intake.

“The shots just kept coming,” she said yesterday.

Or, to use the accountability-free phrase favoured by lawyers, she “got caught up in a shot frenzy”.
Here’s a tip, ladeees.
If you don’t want a drink, put your hand in your purse and shout the next round, and leave your drink out of the round.
Or simply say, “No more for me, Brucey”.
If you are adamant about it and he still buys you one, tip it out. Not too many blokes will happily watch $10 go down the drain.
It’s called self-control for a reason.

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