2,850 thoughts on “Open Thread – Tues 11 Oct 2022”

  1. The Kremlin, via Peskov, is now saying their goals in Ukraine may be achieved through negotiation.

    This follows Lavrov’s earlier statement that Erdogan might prove a suitable intermediary.

    The battlefield situation must be looking pretty bad when viewed from the Moskva.

    Zelensky would be well advised to tone down his rhetoric and adopt a pragmatic approach.


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  2. bespokesays:

    October 14, 2022 at 9:03 pm

    I think it’s plausible intitled politicians expecting staff to be available 24/7.

    Yep.
    They do.
    But not a trait to be encouraged.


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  3. Would be interesting to know what they put on the shelves, Megan.

    Indeed. The notice came with a happy snap showing smiling staff member re-arranging the power tool shelf. They know their target market. Shelves may well be close to empty at the moment.

    I’ve been avoiding them for their disgusting behaviour during lockdown and am now patronising my local family owned Home Hardware store. They are more than happy to order in, cut to size and price match. Also provide free delivery for bigger/heavier items.


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  4. The late night texter/emailer is a thing.
    Sending inconsequential “look at me” messages at 10:30 p.m. or on a Sunday afternoon, copying 36 people

    The best Principal I had needed to communicate with staff at odd hours as information came in to her at the start of the school shutdowns in 2019. She always put the disclaimer “This is being sent at a time convenient to me. I do not expect a you to action this or reply outside normal hours”. She actually adhered to this!


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  5. The idea of cancelling my cards also crossed my mind, MT. But I still will not be able to access sites that use PP as a payment gateway. Such as my local library.

    They’ve taken a good idea that worked brilliantly for 15+ years and made them a fortune and turned it into a bullying behemoth that cares nothing for its loyal customers. To say nothing of the stench of totalitarianism that now hangs over their their ugly operation.


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  6. I’ve been avoiding them for their disgusting behaviour during lockdown and am now patronising my local family owned Home Hardware store.

    Yes, local family owned is the way to go.

    But I thought the Bunnings decision was noteworthy as an example of the growing corporate trend to decouple from China, even if it’s motivated by practical rather than principled concerns.


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  7. Weekend Reading on the main page. Recommended.

    This bit’s from a piece written by a Canadian bloke about Medical Assistance in Dying (MAiD). Assisted suicide, which is not only legal but apparently encouraged in Canadaland:

    In May, Victoria took a hard look at their budget. They couldn’t go on like this for long. “Mom,” Joan recalled Victoria telling her, “I don’t think we can survive. We have to apply for MAiD.”



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  8. Megan,
    I was surprised to find that apparently they’d gone and set up ‘payment agreements’ between myself and other parties.
    not the bloke I buy printer cartridges from
    not with the fella in Mornington I bought a bespoke hardwood kitchen dresser from
    not some wonk in China that sells plastic jewellers magnifying glasses

    nah … but with the likes of Dick Smith and Google

    would like to know the contents of the ‘agreement’ they brokered on my behalf.


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  9. Zelensky would be well advised to tone down his rhetoric and adopt a pragmatic approach.

    And the West, Roger. No way am I going to let my boys fight for those old farts (no offence).


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  10. Number twenty one twenty nine.

    DECLAS OF FISA WILL INITIATE THE RESIGNATION/RECUSAL AND/OR REMOVAL OF ROD ROSENSTEIN.
    DECLAS OF FISA WILL INITIATE THE ‘AWARENESS’ THAT ALL SIGNERS WILL BE [CURRENTLY] UNDER INVESTIGATION.
    DECLAS OF FISA WILL FACTUALLY DEMONSTRATE WITHOUT ARGUMENT THE US GOVERNMENT, UNDER HUSSEIN, KNOWINGLY, PRESENTED FALSE EVIDENCE TO FISC IN AN EFFORT TO OBTAIN ‘LEGAL’ US INTELLIGENCE ‘UMBRELLA’ SURV OF POTUS [IDEN TARGET] FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF INFLUENCING THE 2016 ELECTION OF THE PRESIDENCY [NOT RUSSIA BUT HUSSEIN/HRC – PROJECTION] + SAFEGUARD AGAINST POSSIBLE LOSS OF POWER [FIREWALLS].
    USE OF BACKCHANNEL SURV / SPY INSERTION [BODY 1, 2, AND 5] BY UK/AUS [PRIMARY] ACTIVATED UNDER DIR BRENNAN DIR CLAPPER W/ PDB REGULAR UPDATES + [LIVE STREAMING] WH HUSSEIN NON-OVAL [SITUATION ROOM] COORDINATION.
    FISA [FULL] BRINGS DOWN THE HOUSE [WH].
    Q


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  11. rosie says: October 14, 2022 at 8:15 pm
    Maybe the accuser was worried and withdrawn because she was in danger of losing her job, and had told a lie to her employer which had very serious implications.
    rosie says: October 14, 2022 at 8:44 pm
    The other option is she’s now managed to convince herself it’s true.

    She’s at the point where she’ll be sticking to the story so hard it would be impossible to know if she’s come to believe it, or is a ruthless fibber.

    I’m not inexperienced when it comes to sheilas making up stories about me, though unlike Brittany they were doing it a calculated manner, for financial gain, under (corrupt) legal advice, rather than having to stick to a story made up in haste because backing down will mean Brittany loses her (imagined) career as Australia’s Monica Lewinsky.


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  12. And the West, Roger. No way am I going to let my boys fight for those old farts (no offence).

    Ditto, bespoke.

    My oldest is in the army, and not behind a desk.

    This is not our fight.


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  13. I assume Cats are aware of the Danchenko trial just now….

    It has been discussed on the Cat several times over the past few days.
    Most would have at least a passing awareness of it.


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  14. Daily Mail.

    From ‘lovely and bubbly’ in her ‘dream job’ to looking ‘quite broken’: Brittany Higgins mum tells jury how her alleged rape changed her

    Brittany Higgins’ mother has told jurors how alleged rape changed her daughter
    She alleged Ms Higgins underwent a number of physical and mental changes
    Kelly Higgins told the court Brittany lost her active social life after 2019
    ‘Brittany became very distant. Brittany became very quiet,’ Ms Higgins said



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  15. Retired DEA Agent: ‘Mass Poisonings’ from Fentanyl; Google Speeds Up Exit from China
    China in Focus – NTD
    00:56 Google Speeds Up Exit from China
    03:07 Moderna Rejects China Request for Vaccine Tech
    04:38 Chipmaker Micron Gets $320m Subsidy from Japan
    06:39 Defense Secretary: No ‘Imminent Invasion’ of Taiwan
    08:21 Taiwan Inducts New Amphibious Ship in Defense
    08:46 Lineup China Sells Excess U.S. Liquefied Gas to Europe
    09:51 Chinese Businesses Keeping Europeans Warm World
    11:27 World Bank Cuts China Growth Outlook
    12:03 Chinese Company Buys 7.6% Stake in Aston Martin
    12:35 Retired DEA Agent: ‘Mass Poisonings’ from Fentanyl


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  16. Nothing seems to being made of “no knickers britnee” taping a Minister of the Crown at work. Doesn’t matter what it was about, it is a security breach.


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  17. Omg, did the prosecution really trot out Brit’s mum to say “I wasn’t there, but I’m her mum & I know something is on her mind” ?

    The jury may die laughing.


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  18. Haha.

    The old ‘dress up the message so it looks like a Top Secret signal beamed to the Red October from Moscow’ chestnut. Complete with abbreviations. Good one Q.

    ****MOST URGENT OPSEC CONFIRMED*****
    201514102022UTC RED
    AUTHENTICATE: ONE SEVEN NINER ZERO WHISKY TANGO
    SECRET INDICTMENTS UNSEALED STOP MASS ARRESTS IMMINENT STOP
    TOP PRIORITY EYES ONLY CLASS 5 OPERATIVES PRIORITY TO RESCUE CHILDREN IN TUNNEL COMPLEX 015
    ABORT MISSION TUNNEL COMPLEX 008 AS NO SUBJECTS REMAIN ALIVE
    JUST PILES OF RED SHOES STOP
    H HOUR PROJECT RHOMBOID 053017112022UTC YANKEE GREEN


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  19. Brittany Higgins’ mother has told jurors how alleged rape changed her daughter

    How is this relevant. This is an impact statement used for sentencing.


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  20. I wasn’t there, but I’m her mum & I know something is on her mind” ?

    My mother always impressed on me the importance of clean underwear……


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  21. Brittany Higgins’ mother has told jurors how alleged rape changed her daughter
    She alleged Ms Higgins underwent a number of physical and mental changes
    Kelly Higgins told the court Brittany lost her active social life after 2019
    ‘Brittany became very distant. Brittany became very quiet,’ Ms Higgins said

    And:

    did the prosecution really trot out Brit’s mum to say “I wasn’t there, but I’m her mum & I know something is on her mind” ?

    The prosecution, swimming in the deep end: ‘Ah, could you give me something to help me float? I’m becoming quite weak. I don’t think I’ll make it to the edge of the pool.’

    Lifeguard: ‘Here, catch this anvil.’


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  22. Sending inconsequential “look at me” messages at 10:30 p.m. or on a Sunday afternoon, copying 36 people unnecessarily, but then doing fuck all when required in normal work hours?
    Not behaviour to be encouraged.

    + 13

    such furious agreement … in what? …. 30 minutes?

    San Cho, are you done making a fuckwit of yourself yet?


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  23. Exactly, Matrix. They have morphed into a very shady operation. No doubt the references to these trade agreements they have signed you up to are covered in the 450 page, 5 point font, terms of use.

    Bastards.


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  24. Magan, I’m very troubled that some people are having real issues closing their PP off.

    I would expect that when a punter lands on the PP site and logs in, they ‘should’ get the same page and back-end script that I got.

    seems that isn’t the case and that there are some other shenanigans afoot

    tip-of-the-iceberg is my worry


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  25. USE OF BACKCHANNEL SURV / SPY INSERTION [BODY 1, 2, AND 5] BY UK/AUS [PRIMARY]

    You can tell Q doesn’t have a clue, because he thinks Alexander Downer is a top level secret agent.


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  26. I would expect that when a punter lands on the PP site and logs in, they ‘should’ get the same page and back-end script that I got.

    They suspended my account about about a month ago, they want more information to allow me to enable it again so I can then close it.

    They can get stuffed.


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  27. to enable it again so I can then close it.

    they hold our bank details
    and at some point we gave them the authority to use them

    why would we think that they wont?

    or cant?


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  28. I mean, four words for you: Four Seasons Total Landscaping. The writing in this movie is terrible. The characters are not believable, the relationships are ridiculous, the dialogue is insane gibberish.

    If it was an actual movie it would have been canned at the concept stage.


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  29. Knuckle Draggersays:

    October 14, 2022 at 10:26 pm

    4,769 comments on the OTs alone this week.

    Why so few?
    What is wrong, do you think?
    Where is everybody?


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  30. Zelensky would be well advised to tone down his rhetoric and adopt a pragmatic approach.

    Bit late seeing as he recently signed into legislation that he/Ukraine cannot negotiate with Putin (ever, under any circumstances), or any successor to Putin, whilst Russian troops are on Ukrainian territory.


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  31. Bit late seeing as he recently signed into legislation that he/Ukraine cannot negotiate with Putin (ever, under any circumstances), or any successor to Putin, whilst Russian troops are on Ukrainian territory.

    Speedb
    There’s an out to that. What if the disputed parts essentially become no man’s land or some form of protectorate owned by both sides, self-governed de-militarized and the people citizens of both countries? I think that could work perhaps.


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  32. Baron of the Taiga
    @baronitaigas
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    Well over 66% of Germans (according to IFOP) continue to support the current Ukraine policy. But the number is dropping.
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    Holger Zschaepitz
    @Schuldensuehner
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    Oct 13
    The Chart of Doom of the German housing market. The price-to-book ratio of the German real estate gaint #Vonovia has fallen below 1 this year for the first time ever and is now in free fall. The chart suggests that the German real estate market is heading for a sharp correction.



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  33. If eco-activists wanted to make themselves truly useful they would learn how to dive, so they could emulate that Nord Stream attack. Throwing soup at a painting will do nothing.


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  34. Bloomberg UK
    @BloombergUK
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    “It leaves her an extremely lame duck”

    Liz Truss reportedly plans to sack Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng, her “political soulmate,” as she prepares to U-turn on part of her economic plan

    @lizzzburden has the latest on a dramatic day in Westminster

    Apropos earlier comment re Alex on Truss and Conservatives, Alex said the suspicion that the fix was in arose because this was all unravelling while Kwarteng was away in Washington. What a shambles.


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  35. The Chart of Doom of the German housing market. The price-to-book ratio of the German real estate gaint #Vonovia has fallen below 1 this year for the first time ever and is now in free fall. The chart suggests that the German real estate market is heading for a sharp correction.

    And I’m not sure it recovers. German fertility rate is almost bad as Italy and Japan.

    Italy 1.27 births per woman (2019) 47.3

    Germany 1.54 births per woman 46

    Japan 1.36 births per woman (2019) median age 49

    Germany isn’t going to race back from this slump. The population isn’t young and adaptable.

    Ironically for nations of old geezers they ought to be the least concerned about gerbil warming.


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  36. If eco-activists wanted to make themselves truly useful they would learn how to dive, so they could emulate that Nord Stream attack.

    Yes, yes, releasing methane into the atmosphere is certainly the remedy for climate change. Next, monty will propose sabotaging a nuclear plant that leads to a melt down.


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  37. Anyway, “Sliante” to all you hairy mob. South 32 dividend has gone into my private account – I’ve invested part of it in some quality Scotch, and a couple of interesting books. That’s the dividend season over for another six months….


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  38. Sacre bleu! It is indeed.

    Could “the Torries”* be any more ridiculous if they tried?

    *Fought incessantly by the Albansleazey since he began existing in council housing as the ‘umble bastard of an italian waiter on a cruise ship, which he’s been too modest to repeatedly remind everyone on this planet about …

    Oh hang on, the staggeringly stupid hideously uglee illiterate innumerate anti scientific fact and evidence free gargoyle has been doing exactly that – who’da thunk it, I asks ya? 😕


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  39. Magan, I’m very troubled that some people are having real issues closing their PP off.

    I would expect that when a punter lands on the PP site and logs in, they ‘should’ get the same page and back-end script that I got.

    seems that isn’t the case and that there are some other shenanigans afoot

    tip-of-the-iceberg is my worry

    I’m certain that there are definite shenanagins afoot. It’s clear, after the two calls Ive made, that the call centre responders are simply reading responses from a script. They were offering identical platitudes to ‘acknowledge’ my concerns and defuse the situation but did not once respond to my concerns in any reasonable way. Simply regurgitated the company line. It was infuriating.

    Were you ever asked to provide photo ID to PayPal? Any other Cats asked to provide a passport or licence to keep their account working?


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  40. Fought incessantly by the Albansleazey since he began existing in council housing

    Albo sees himself as the reincarnation of Labor politicians like John Curtin and Arthur Augustus Calwell…


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  41. Kwasi Kwarteng

    Various Nigerian Princes with way too much (imaginary) moolah will be dining out on the Kwarteng’s non existent credentials for many many moons to come. 🙂

    And Queenslanders will be among the best investors of this “unleashed loot” on the planet (again) …


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  42. The UK might have to get into high seas piracy to pay off their debts

    His Pirate Holiness Wallee N’jdagoogoo der Qwuarlinee II* appointed as the new Chancellor of the Exchequer by Liz Truss in a desperate attempt to restore some credibility to her stupid, stupid government …

    *First of ‘is name, Lord of the high Seas, Consumer of any and all seafood that appears in his vision, etc …


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  43. JC – Zelensky has painted himself into a corner, in part on the back of US/EU assurances they will support Ukraine by pledging that he won’t negotiate with Russia; that all Ukraine must be free of Russian soldiers, forever; guarantee of Ukraine sovereignty over all territory including the Donbass and Crimea; guaranteed ongoing reparations beyond the transfer of frozen Russian fx to Ukraine (about $US300Bn), and so on. Many world leaders are cheering him on (esp. Biden) and he has ‘rock star’ status and access to forums where he wouldn’t normally get in the door.

    Everything forward is ‘crystal ball gazing’ but we all know for certain that the world, economically at least, is in for a very rocky time for at least the next 12-24 months and easily more. This winter in Europe will be brutal and the economic shocks are amplified. It’s public record that people are beginning to protest in France and Germany over rising costs, lack of energy and polls in Germany suggest that 50% of Germans think the sanctions are hurting Germany far more than they are hurting Russia. Who will crack first? Dunno, but under Russian law, Putin can remain in office until 2028. Can Europe outlast him? And even if they can, who comes next?


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  44. Daily Mail.

    Furious woman accuses university of sending her a racial slur… before the surprising truth is revealed

    A furious former student takes to social media about a ‘racist’ ethnic slur
    Sierra Chen received a letter addressed to Ms. Ching Chong from a university
    The University of Queensland Sport letter turned out to be a misunderstanding
    Jane Chong whose birth name is Ching Chong said the letter was for her

    Snork, snork…….


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  45. Emma Webb
    @Emma_A_Webb
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    Wholesale complicity. Total setup.
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    Fen de Villiers
    @FendeVilliers
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    Press, media, men with cameras and soylets standby as this protest is enacted. This is simply setup and allowed, a theatrical performance made possible by museum management. Clear them all out. Start again. They are corrupt beyond belief.

    Of course it is. They may LARP as radicals but this is entirely in keeping with the energy policy direction of the Regime.


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  46. If those are included, all she was wearing was a white cocktail dress. Are they still a somewhat short length?

    In the Pell trial the judges put aside time to go somewhere and inspect his robes.

    Perhaps Britneh could dress up and meet them in somebody’s office.

    Due diligence and all that.


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  47. A letter addressed to Ms Ching Chong from the erstwhile Chancellor of the Exchequer, Lord Kwasi Kwarteng …

    Stop this planet, I want off, for the good of everyone else. Just wanting to be left alone, FFS.

    Pluto looks noice. 🙂


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  48. Perhaps Britneh could dress up and meet them in somebody’s office.

    Wouldn’t take long, it’s not as if she’s got to put on anything else except slip the dress over her head.


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  49. On second thoughts, there’s not a hope in hell of Britters getting into that dress today.
    She’d be twice the girl she was back then.


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  50. Melbourne school boycotts national anthem at awards night
    A principal has defended his school’s decision not to sing the national anthem at an awards ceremony.

    A Melbourne school has doubled down on its decision not to sing the Australian national anthem at an awards ceremony on Monday night, with the principal saying Advance Australia Fair “may well be” finished in the long term.

    Instead of the national anthem, attendees of Overnewton Anglican Community College’s presentation night, held at Southbanks’s Hamer Hall, sang Aunty Ruby Hunter’s Welcome to All People after students objected to the former on the grounds it was offensive to Indigenous Australians.

    Overnewton principal Jim Laussen said there was a “growing number” of students at the school who refused to sing the national anthem.

    Speaking on Melbourne radio, Mr Laussen said the college captain announced the decision not to sing the national anthem, a trend the school began during this year’s Reconciliation Week, where students asked not to sing the national anthem out of respect for Indigenous Australians speaking at school assemblies that week.

    Mr Laussen said the decision to reject the national anthem was a decision students had come to themselves and it “may well be finished” in the long term.

    He said the school had about 11 Indigenous pupils who objected to Advance Australia Fair, and he had spoken to a parent who objected to the school’s decision.

    “If we had not even mentioned we weren’t doing the national anthem, no one would have cared because no one would have noticed,” Mr Laussen said.

    He said Indigenous parents had objected to “deeply hurtful” words contained in the national anthem.

    Mr Laussen said the school, which continued to sing the national anthem from time to time, was “creating a conversation and a dialogue” and many people had congratulated him over the school’s decision.

    Fucking speechless …


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  51. Wouldn’t take long, it’s not as if she’s got to put on anything else except slip the dress over her head.

    Yerg.

    Looking at the Daily Mail pics in the earlier links – try that now and she’d need several cans of WD40 for that.


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  52. He said Indigenous parents had objected to “deeply hurtful” words contained in the national anthem.

    And they are absolutely right.

    ‘Girt’ hurts everyone.


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  53. Girt hurts, love scars
    Girt wounds and marks
    Any heart
    Not tough or strong enough
    To take a lot of pain, take a lot of pain

    Girt is like a cloud
    Holds a lot of rain
    Girt hurts
    Ooh, ooh, Girt hurts
    I’m young, I know, but even so
    I know a thing or two
    I learned from you
    I really learned a lot, really learned a lot
    Girt is like a flame
    It burns you when it’s hot
    Girt hurts
    Ooh, ooh, girt hurts
    Some fools think of happiness
    Blissfulness, togetherness
    Some fools fool themselves, I guess
    They’re not foolin’ me
    I know it isn’t true
    I know it isn’t true
    Girt is just a lie
    Made to make you blue
    Girt hurts
    Ooh, ooh, girt hurts
    Ooh, ooh, girt hurts
    I know it isn’t true
    I know it isn’t true
    Girt is just a lie
    Made to make you blue
    Girt hurts
    Ooh, ooh, girt hurts
    Ooh, ooh, girt hurts …


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  54. Albo sees himself as the reincarnation of Labor politicians like John Curtin and Arthur Augustus Calwell…

    Liar myth making runs deep. Ever since you find yourself seated under the Tree of Knowledge.


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  55. Memories from the playpen, courtesy of my gran, who sang it in a reedy contralto:

    Ching Chong Chinaman
    Had a penny doll
    He washed it,
    Dressed it
    And called it Pretty Pol



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  56. A principal has defended his school’s decision not to sing the national anthem at an awards ceremony

    I don’t remember “singing” the national dirge (or being semi obliged to) at anything while I was at school.

    The kiddies should remain as grateful.


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  57. Speaking on Melbourne radio, Mr Laussen said the college captain announced the decision not to sing the national anthem, a trend the school began during this year’s Reconciliation Week,

    Does anyone else see the irony here?

    For what it’s worth, one of the local schoolchildren was asked if they knew what “National Sorry Day”
    was about.

    “Yes – that’s when the Aboriginal kids say “Sorry” for beating us up after school, and stealing our bikes…”


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  58. rickw:

    1943 – World War II: The United States Eighth Air Force loses 60 of 291 B-17 Flying Fortresses during the Second Raid on Schweinfurt.

    Going after the bearing factories in Schweinfurt IIRC.

    As part of the USAAF/RAF disassembling of the German production effort, bearings were changed in type for tank turrets. Initially ball bearings were used but after the raids and the damage done, they were changed to roller bearings.
    So my question is this – why not use roller bearings in the first place? Surely a roller bearing has greater surface area to enable heavy loads to turn?
    There may be a very simple reason for this, but my limited knowledge of machining and engineering is failing me.


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  59. why not use roller bearings in the first place? Surely a roller bearing has greater surface area to enable heavy loads to turn?

    Ball bearings can handle both axial and radial loads. To achieve the same with a roller bearing arrangement can be difficult. The normal way this is done is to have rollers where the length is the same as the diameter and they are fed into the race in alternating orientations.

    Given the ring diameter on the tanks, the load bearing capacity was probably not the limiting factor, so balls were probably initially selected because they were easier to assemble. A bit of googling shows that most German tanks used different methods to space out the balls, this seems to support the idea that there was no particular problem with ball bearings being able to support the loads.


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  60. m0ntysays:
    October 14, 2022 at 10:24 pm
    I mean, four words for you: Four Seasons Total Landscaping. The writing in this movie is terrible. The characters are not believable, the relationships are ridiculous, the dialogue is insane gibberish.

    If it was an actual movie it would have been canned at the concept stage.

    Just as the “gay” Son of Superman movies was? Oh, sorry, it went ahead to be produced.


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  61. Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
    October 14, 2022 at 10:41 pm
    looks like a young Nick Cave … and some blue-haired skank

    He’s only there because he wants to get into her knickers..

    Is she wearing knickers?


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  62. We have just arrived in the Mariott at LAX and viewing Trumps’ election speech with a rum and coke (me) and a beer (Hairy) after a long trip with a change in Atlanta. We are impressed. I told you he was the only candidate and the real hope, says Hairy, and I have to agree with him at the moment. Two years though, a lot can happen, but right now Trump is trumps. Hairy wins.


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