Open Thread – Weekend 7 Jan 2023


Nightly Walk of the Monks to the Mountain Monastery Athos, Hermann Corrodi, 1888


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132andBush
132andBush
January 9, 2023 11:41 am

Tom

I believe we’re coming up to FIVE YEARS without a summer day of 40C or more — once the staple of the December-to-February months — in the southern Victoria region.

I’ve been contract harvesting at Horsham for 23 years now, usually from the first week of Dec to New Year.
Every year there has been at least one TFB and a subsequent halt put on all paddock operations.
Nothing yet for this season and we are well into January!

rickw
rickw
January 9, 2023 11:42 am

So on the one hand they claim sovereignty but on the other they refuse to abide by international law.

I think we should have a war to sort this BS out ones and for all.

shatterzzz
January 9, 2023 11:44 am

Nice to see Woolworths looking after the “battlers” .. 410g tins of Homebrand baked beans DOUBLE the price they were last week .. and then an article on MSN News on the “horror” that Colesworths will have to raise prices because of increased production/delivery costs ..
Makes you wonder if anyone at MSN News actually shops? .. Colesworths raise dozens of prices on a weekly basis .. FFS!

C.L.
C.L.
January 9, 2023 11:45 am

18 year-old MMA “prodigy” Victoria Lee has “passed away.”
Totally normal.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 9, 2023 11:48 am

The internet says Cape Barren Island has a population of 60 people, who are a mixed Euro/indig arrangement and descended from sealers and fullbloods.

Its ‘traditional name’ is Truwana. Apparently there are twice-weekly flights to Launceston and you can get to Flinders Island by boat.

The Huntress’ insurers should land next to it on the beach and blow it up, in the manner of the whale disposed of via dynamite in the US before motoring off singing pirate songs.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 9, 2023 11:51 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
January 9, 2023 at 10:56 am
From over at Bolta. Anybody heard anything?

roger
27 minutes ago
In a related article, the yacht Sydney to Hobart ‘Huntress’ has washed ashore on Cape Barren island in Tas, this is sovereign land owned by the aboriginals, here is what they say about the yacht.
“The white man’s salvage laws do not apply because this is sovereign Aboriginal territory and our laws override those of the white man.”
They want one third the value of the yacht before allowing salvage or 100% possession.

If white man’s laws do not apply on Cape Barren Island, does white man’s welfare money?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 9, 2023 11:53 am

Farmer Gezsays:

January 9, 2023 at 11:18 am

Ooh!
Truck envy.
Lovely new Kenny with new Hamalex tippers at the back in front of me.
You could shave by the polish

Trapdoor for Number Twos?

areff
areff
January 9, 2023 11:56 am

How the prospect of some quick and easy cash makes a big difference.

Two days ago, the ABC was reporting Apple Isle indigenes wanted the beached Huntress salvaged ASAP, saying it was apt to break up and litter the environment with fibreglass etc., plus of course, diesel fuel.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-07/huntress-yacht-sydney-to-hobart-salvage/101832952

Today, having realised there’s some dough to snaffle, the sanctity of the environment no longer matters and it’s all about ‘sovereignty’.

Morsie
Morsie
January 9, 2023 11:57 am

Even if the Republicans set up their committees nothing will happen.The Democrats will ignore and obstruct and the Republicans will wring their hands and do nothing.Subpoenas will be ignored with no consequences the bureaucracy particularly the FBI will reuse to help.Vontrast with the Democrsts who gaol people for such things.
The Republicans are like our Liberals not serious practitioners of politics.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 9, 2023 11:57 am

The white man’s salvage laws do not apply because this is sovereign Aboriginal territory and our laws override those of the white man.”
They want one third the value of the yacht before allowing salvage or 100% possession.

Forget the Noble Savage. The black man as Sov Cit. Good luck with that Albo and Noel.

rickw
rickw
January 9, 2023 11:58 am

A good read:

I used to scratch build aeroplanes from ice cream cans. Make a pattern and then cut and fold the up. Humbrol paint. Great fun!

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 9, 2023 11:58 am

Crossiesays:
January 9, 2023 at 11:20 am
Boambee John says:
January 9, 2023 at 9:09 am
alwaysright

If the present cooling trend continues for another year or so, watch for “new research” and “studies” by “researchers” to demonstrate with “new, refined” models that CO2 actually causes cooling, and to avoid a new ice age, we need to speed up the removal of CO2 from the atmosphere.

The greenies will certainly try and then we will see if the scientific establishment is all charlatans or if they will decide that enough is enough.

Back in the 1970s, at the time of the New Ice Age panic, the BBC (yes, that BBC) had a TV program and associated book (which I picked up at a discount and read) called The Weather Machine and the Threat of Ice, which saw sea-level rise as less of a threat than glaciers covering much of Europe, and recommended increasing the level of CO2 in the atmosphere. as a solution.

The book is still available at Amazon, but the Klimate Kultists now swear that there was never a New Ice Age panic.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 9, 2023 12:00 pm

Via David Thompson, a Twitter thread worth reading. Talks about British rule on India and the lasting impacts.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 9, 2023 12:00 pm

Trapdoor for Number Twos?

Dealer fitted option. Standard Toll specification.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 9, 2023 12:04 pm

They want one third the value of the yacht before allowing salvage or 100% possession.

Whitey had all of these arguments hundreds of years ago in the UK. They are now part of the common law or codified by statute. Blackfellas still playing catch up.

Roger
Roger
January 9, 2023 12:04 pm

Remember when land rights wasn’t about money but the “spiritual” connection to the land?

The claim on the Huntress is very small beer indeed compared to what is being extorted from mining companies by native title holders.

mem
mem
January 9, 2023 12:05 pm

So the yacht went adrift and lobbed on “their sovereign land” . Reminds me of a red shoe that was cast adrift by one ex prime minister fleeing a bungled incitement of the mob at the Aboriginal tent city in Canberra. I seem to recall one of the Aboriginals held it for ransom or similar. This is a fact free version of the event that fails to mention that the trouble was deliberately started by someone on Gillard’s staff in collaboration with a woman that worked at the ACTU .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSPdIlt5yOg

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 9, 2023 12:06 pm

I have a keeelo of pure uncut Columbian Dotaine.
It eez strong stuff Senior, almost as addictive as Brazilian supermodels.
(may contain 99% copium)

Beware the invisible Angry Older Women: You won’t see us coming *
Ingrid Banwell is a Sydney artist and author of Men of Earth, an eco-feminist thriller.
Had I been younger or male, louder or angrier, it may well have been a very different outcome. But I doubt that ravenous horde racing across the savannah of our local square even noticed this fuming boomer and that swivelling chair. As I said, this isn’t the first time I haven’t been seen.
Although I have learned to avoid such collisions with the deftness of a blowfly escaping the swat, every now and then a reminder of my increasing invisibility slaps me across my wrinkled cheek, pokes me in my crow-footed eyes, and makes my chin whiskers bristle.

Women of my generation spent lifetimes bending ourselves into shapes to suit social and patriarchal expectations. We grew up modestly** ignoring the catcalls from passing cars, slapping the faces of men who were inappropriately rude or fresh. We dated. We said no (constantly). Our opinions were ignored (regularly).

What we mourn may be a loss to those who value youth and beauty, but to all those other AOWs out there, remember: we are no longer judged through the lens of the male gaze. Whether we appreciate it or not, this is absolutely fabulous.
We are, after all, the Tree of Life’s fermenting fruits: full, ready to burst, and possibly just a little tipsy. And the fact we’ve got this far without being prematurely plucked from that aforementioned tree is reason enough to celebrate. So now, comes the time to revel in, and channel, our powers.***

*Because the only way you will do it with us is in the dark?
** This, mind you, is an artist who grew up during the 70’s.
*** To Karen at volumes undreamt of since the abolition of the scolds bridle?

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 9, 2023 12:07 pm

The claim on the Huntress is very small beer indeed compared to what is being extorted from mining companies by native title holders.

That is why they should both be opposed.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 9, 2023 12:07 pm

Nice to see Woolworths looking after the “battlers” .. 410g tins of Homebrand baked beans DOUBLE the price they were last week .. and then an article on MSN News on the “horror” that Colesworths will have to raise prices because of increased production/delivery costs ..

Double whammy ahead.
Having previously reduced (via the squirrel grip on manufacturers) quality/package/serving sizes to hold prices.

The past 12 months has been a procession of textbook scoundrel retail behaviour.
My favourite exemplar: 1.25l soda water up from 80c to $1 – accompanied by a shelf label babbling about ‘Low Fixed Price’ – at both Coles and Woolworths simultaneously.

rickw
rickw
January 9, 2023 12:11 pm

Accidentally caught an earlier bus this morning. Sitting outside at the airport worker cafe drinking coffee and watching the sun come up over Male.

Nice!

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 9, 2023 12:12 pm

Sancho Panzer says: Have you seen the TV show where James May gets a whole bunch of kids to assemble a full size Airfix model of a Spitfire?

No – found it though – Airfix – thanks…

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 9, 2023 12:12 pm

the invisible Angry Older Women

Particularly dangerous as they have nothing to lose (as any man whose wife wants a divorce now the kids have grown up would know).

P
P
January 9, 2023 12:14 pm

On 10 May 2005, the government released Crown lands on both Cape Barren and Clarke Island to be overseen by the local Aboriginal association.[14] This marked the first official handover of Crown land to an Aboriginal community in Tasmania.
Wiki

rickw
rickw
January 9, 2023 12:16 pm

Dealer fitted option. Standard Toll specification.

Is that the setup where it drops into the bottom of the exhaust manifold, desiccates, and the resultant “dust” is swept out by exhaust gases?!

(Wow, that might actually work!)

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 9, 2023 12:17 pm

H B Bearsays:

January 9, 2023 at 12:00 pm

Trapdoor for Number Twos?

Dealer fitted option. Standard Toll specification

Tandoori oven?
Seating for a crew of four subcontinentals?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 9, 2023 12:18 pm

an eco-feminist thriller

Awesome! Will sell millions.

We are, after all, the Tree of Life’s fermenting fruits

Yes. Yes you are.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 9, 2023 12:20 pm

My body is whining like a vidaloo splattered Kenworth diff after a 4 driver cross country non stop trek.

Apparently spending a weekend crawling under a sheep shed, shovelling shit and carrying it 50m a time in a 100L bin to the trailer is more than it wants to do.
Very mediocre.

Am building up a garden bed for the better half, so far its about 2 ton of seawead (washed) and another couple of sheep shit, all dug down to depth of about 1m. Next weekend will be topping it with topsoil and possibly about 30cm of mulch.
Then it will be getting the roses and setting up a bit of retic.

Yes, I did this.
No I havent done anything wrong Im making up for, you lot of ingrates!

Going to make it smell like an angel farted every morning when you walk outside. Just need to get a variety thats heavy on stink.

Roger
Roger
January 9, 2023 12:23 pm

On 10 May 2005, the government released Crown lands on both Cape Barren and Clarke Island to be overseen by the local Aboriginal association.[14] This marked the first official handover of Crown land to an Aboriginal community in Tasmania.

Didn’t come with sovereignty but…

rickw
rickw
January 9, 2023 12:24 pm

If government will deprive you of employment due to an emergency. What might they deprive you of during the next emergency?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 9, 2023 12:28 pm

Top Endersays:

January 9, 2023 at 12:12 pm

Sancho Panzer says: Have you seen the TV show where James May gets a whole bunch of kids to assemble a full size Airfix model of a Spitfire?

No – found it though – Airfix – thanks…

There is a whole series of May playing with boy’s toys as an (alleged) adult.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 9, 2023 12:30 pm

HARRY’S DENIAL Harry sensationally says he and Meghan never accused Royals of being racist despite bombshell claim over Archie’s skin

In the UK, this one was probably the only ‘bombshell’ issue with the potential to seriously damage the Monarchy. The rest of it appears to be tittle tattle about Meghan and Kate (most of which has long since been wrung through the media mill), off-key entitled whining, or cringing self-flagellation.

My read of the UK media and soshuls is that the British public is now doing the equivalent of slowing down to gawk at a car crash. The Brits just love being reminded that, no matter how high and mighty, people are no better than they should be.

And that’s meat and drink for the tabloid press…

m0nty
m0nty
January 9, 2023 12:31 pm

Am building up a garden bed for the better half

*sound of whipcrack*

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 9, 2023 12:32 pm

Seating for a crew of four subcontinentals?

Seating?
What is this feature you speak of?

Real Deal
Real Deal
January 9, 2023 12:35 pm

Sancho Panzer says: Have you seen the TV show where James May gets a whole bunch of kids to assemble a full size Airfix model of a Spitfire?

No – found it though – Airfix – thanks…

It was at the RAF Museum at Cosford in the Midlands in 2013. I was impressed with the detail especially the flyer seated next to it. A plastic James May in leather helmet and goggles.

calli
calli
January 9, 2023 12:37 pm

all dug down to depth of about 1m.

I suppose it’s too late to tell you that pretty much all biological activity, including the root zones of even the largest trees, occupy the first 300mm.

*runs*

Pogria
Pogria
January 9, 2023 12:37 pm

“Then it will be getting the roses and setting up a bit of retic.

Mole, you are a good man, no doubt about it.

When asked what I wanted for Mother’s Day, Birthday and Christmas, for fifteen years I said “I want a Rose Garden”.

Three and a half years ago, the ex built himself a giant shed with a concrete floor and told me we were finished. I never did get my Rose Garden. That is being rectified. The garden, not the ex. Although I have thought about it. 😉

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 9, 2023 12:38 pm

Harry sensationally says he and Meghan never accused Royals of being racist despite bombshell claim over Archie’s skin

They never accused them of being aliens from another planet either. What a silly headline.

132andBush
132andBush
January 9, 2023 12:38 pm

*sound of whipcrack*

Quite obviously yours would have to do it herself.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 9, 2023 12:39 pm

On Luigi the Unbelievable’s reluctance to give detail on da Voice.
It isn’t the fear of “right wing extremists” picking holes in it. That is easily batted away with accusations of racism. In fact, a typical Green-Left advisor would want to tease that out.
No.
Their real fear is the shitfight that would erupt among the 300 “nations” when the detail is exposed and 271 nations perceive that they will be disadvantaged.
What Luigi the Unbelievable hasn’t thought through is that this level of jostling and scrapping will increase ten-fold when he wheels out the blank whiteboard afterwards.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 9, 2023 12:40 pm

m0ntysays:
January 9, 2023 at 12:31 pm
Am building up a garden bed for the better half

*sound of whipcrack*

Whereas your own wife will simply level the house, throw 30cm of topsoil on and plant whatever she wants on the worlds largest naturally occurring deposit of blood and bone when you die.
If she waits that long.

Robert Sewell
January 9, 2023 12:41 pm

Top Ender:

Even today I find it hard to pass a hobby shop without popping in and scanning the kits available. They seemed to go out of fashion for a while, but I’m heartened to see them filling the shelves again.

Over Christmas, I went to a Hobby Shop in Brisbane, thinking perhaps I might take up my old hobby of Airfixing. To my surprise, in 1.35 scale there were five different versions of the Do 335 an aeroplane I had become fascinated with.
But commonsense + a hand tremor that had developed over the years told me not to bother…
But yes, the fascination remains.

Roger
Roger
January 9, 2023 12:41 pm

I suppose it’s too late to tell you that pretty much all biological activity, including the root zones of even the largest trees, occupy the first 300mm.

A mole’s gotta dig.

rosie
rosie
January 9, 2023 12:47 pm

Mole.
Get David Austin roses , then you get scent and beautiful flowers.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 9, 2023 12:48 pm

I suppose it’s too late to tell you that pretty much all biological activity, including the root zones of even the largest trees, occupy the first 300mm.

Well I had a bobcat for that part of the digging, and they are serious fun, especially when you have lots of restrictions on your work area like fences/ power cables/ driveways etc.
And the ground here is 1/2 a step above beach sand, the seaweed is to give something where moisture can stay rather than leech away in 10 minutes.

And yes, I may have enjoyed myself a little too deeply.

Funfact: As a kid one of my hobbies was digging holes, big deep ones, in the front yard.
Sort of a Forrest Gump with a shovel.
I blame Donald duck comics and their “digging to China” storylines.

bons
bons
January 9, 2023 12:49 pm

I just read a wonderful proposition arguing that contemporary universities display all of the destructive characteristics of medieval monasteries: non-accountable, opaque, grasping, murderously ideological, entitled, corrupt, purposeless and so on.
Sadly, Dutton ain’t no Hal the 8th.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 9, 2023 12:49 pm

Real Deal at 12:35

It was at the RAF Museum at Cosford in the Midlands in 2013. I was impressed with the detail especially the flyer seated next to it. A plastic James May in leather helmet and goggles.

And they didn’t just throw a bunch of life-size bits on the floor.
The whole thing was attached to a huge oblong frame, just as it would come out of the packet.
I think the frame was made out of 4″ PVC pipe.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 9, 2023 12:50 pm

Get David Austin roses

Ill check them out, want to go heavy on scent.

rosie
rosie
January 9, 2023 12:51 pm

Pogria sounds a bit like Sue Grafton.
She spent months after being dumped devising devious ways to kill her second? husband then turned her hand to writing mysteries instead.
She made millions.

Frank
Frank
January 9, 2023 12:53 pm

Am building up a garden bed for the better half

*sound of whipcrack*

Is she planning on kicking you out once it is finished? Women can be sneaky like that.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 9, 2023 12:53 pm

*sound of whipcrack*

mUnty has been watching those Andrew Tate Tik Tocs again.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 9, 2023 12:53 pm

Mole.

Well I had a bobcat for that part of the digging, and they are serious fun …

Are they what!
I had reason to use one a while back and am looking for an opportunity to hire one again.
I have a little demolition job coming up as part of an insurance job, and I think a little Bobcat or Dingo or whatever is the go.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 9, 2023 12:54 pm

Garrison’s toon is my pick today, cannot go past “Gulag Archipelosi” for unconstitutionally detained J6 tourists.

Re: Blackball on Rowe on Dutton
> It’s like Rowe has Dutton as the villain for asking always unconditionally.

FIFY.

132andBush
132andBush
January 9, 2023 12:57 pm

Monty’s wife had a nice garden bed till the day he collectivised it for the good of the neighbourhood.
It now resembles an outdoor cat latrine.

Roger
Roger
January 9, 2023 12:58 pm

Their real fear is the shitfight that would erupt among the 300 “nations” when the detail is exposed and 271 nations perceive that they will be disadvantaged.

It is…shall we say, interesting…that representation is geo-politically based on state boundaries and not “first nations” boundaries. Obviously the latter method would be more than a bit unwieldy, not to mention the difficulty that those boundaries can be the subject of dispute. But yes, one can already anticipate the howls of protest over representation and favouritism.

Diogenes
Diogenes
January 9, 2023 12:59 pm

Teh question no one asks
“Luigi, why don’t you put legislation through establishing the Voice right now this very minute? You do not need a constitutional amendment to do so. Then at the at next Federal election hold the referendum at the same time so we can get an idea of what we will be making permanent.”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 9, 2023 12:59 pm

Mole.
I think the most satisfying thing about mini excavator type kit is that you go from being clumsy and stilted in your inputs, to quite fluid and fast in working the controls within a few hours.
Inputs become almost intuitive very quickly.

calli
calli
January 9, 2023 12:59 pm

Remember the first rule of bobcat safety – always, always, always drop the bucket to the ground. Never, ever leave it raised. Never.

Have I made myself clear? And don’t ask me how I know.

Robert Sewell
January 9, 2023 1:00 pm

Cassie:

Don’t you just love the journalistic screams of “far-right”, “far-right”, “far-right”.

Yes. It never fails to point out the leftist journo credentials.

calli
calli
January 9, 2023 1:01 pm

Also, if you’re a novice, please make sure the site is clear of people. And vehicles. And buildings.

Because it soon will be.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 9, 2023 1:03 pm

Yes, Diogenes.
Legislation passed “pending ratification via referendum” exposes the precise detail voters are entitled to.

Diogenes
Diogenes
January 9, 2023 1:06 pm

Legislation passed “pending ratification via referendum”

Doesn’t need a constitutional amendment. All the amendment will do is make it ‘unremovable’

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 9, 2023 1:06 pm

callisays:

January 9, 2023 at 1:01 pm

Also, if you’re a novice, please make sure the site is clear of people. And vehicles. And buildings.

Yes.
Taking it slow and steady and familiarisation with the controls is a good idea.
Although, from memory, the one I used was operated from a standing platform at the back, and the controls were kind of “dead man switches”, where it would stop without positive inputs.
Obviously a fail-safe in case of the driver being bucked off.

132andBush
132andBush
January 9, 2023 1:09 pm

Have I made myself clear? And don’t ask me how I know.

And no showing off on two wheels!
(Of course we would never dream of doing that)

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 9, 2023 1:10 pm

callisays:

January 9, 2023 at 12:59 pm

Remember the first rule of bobcat safety – always, always, always drop the bucket to the ground. Never, ever leave it raised. Never.

Yep.
I used the trenching tool and the bucket, and it was on a slope.
I always left the bucket buried in the gravel I was moving when I got off.
And I liked the idea of operating from the platform at the back – really easy to abandon ship if things get hairy.

Diogenes
Diogenes
January 9, 2023 1:10 pm

Actually just thinking on it, the amendment will say “there will be a body etc etc”. There is absolutely no problem if I were appointed PM , putting through legislation(assuming I have control of both the houses) dissolving whatever Luigi puts in and saying the Voice will consist of 3 members appointed by the GG in Council, and appointing say Jacinta Price, her mum and her niece as the members

Zipster
Zipster
January 9, 2023 1:15 pm

The new, angry, “meatsuit” m0nty=fa is as wet as an old dishrag.

smutley puts on his meatstick and takes out his anger with it… a revolutionary act

Roger
Roger
January 9, 2023 1:15 pm

OK…confession time; I cliked on some Harry bait:

“…when asked about the Prince of Wales’s possible reaction to his autobiography or conversation with ITV host Bradby, Harry said he didn’t think “my father or brother will read the book”.

He continued: “I don’t know whether they’ll be, you know, watching this or not, but, what they have to say to me and what I have to say to them will be in private, and I hope it can stay that way.”

I don’t think William or Charles will be writing tell all books exposing family secrets, if that’s what you mean, Harold.

He has all the self-awareness of an inebriated wombat.

m0nty
m0nty
January 9, 2023 1:18 pm

What is it with right-wing idiots starting insurrections that end in failure in early January?

Roger
Roger
January 9, 2023 1:19 pm

Teh question no one asks
“Luigi, why don’t you put legislation through establishing the Voice right now this very minute? You do not need a constitutional amendment to do so. Then at the at next Federal election hold the referendum at the same time so we can get an idea of what we will be making permanent.”

Mmm…I’d say the last thing politicians want is voters getting the idea of having a veto over legislation.

“What will they want next….recall elections? Harrumph!”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 9, 2023 1:19 pm

He continued: “I don’t know whether they’ll be, you know, watching this or not, but, what they have to say to me and what I have to say to them will be in private, and I hope it can stay that way.”

Translated:- “Please give me more material for the sequel!”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 9, 2023 1:21 pm

Their real fear is the shitfight that would erupt among the 300 “nations” when the detail is exposed and 271 nations perceive that they will be disadvantaged.

There are two clans, in this part of the world, who have been feuding since 1968, and cannot even agree on what day of the week it is.

Roger
Roger
January 9, 2023 1:22 pm

What is it with right-wing idiots starting insurrections that end in failure in early January?

Very low energy, monts.

Where’s the meatsuit?

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 9, 2023 1:25 pm

I feel that’s why Albo is walking around with ants in the pants.
There’s no funding for the ‘no’ campaign because they know it’s bollocks on stilts. So you get the feeling that Albo has whispered in the ear of Facebook and asked to have advertising pulled from pages like Advance Australia.
And this is his big ticket item. It isn’t energy, it isn’t inflation. If this referendum is defeated, Albo is gone.
Now was early this morning when I first posted, morning tv was on. Was there a call for the Liberal Party to have a conscience vote? Who is calling for it? The Labor/Green coalition or Aboriginal advisory bodies?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 9, 2023 1:25 pm

Monty – Weren’t they mostly peaceful protests? Oh wait that was those BLM and Antifa ones.

JMH
JMH
January 9, 2023 1:26 pm

Mole, climate-compatibility taken into consideration, Friesia (yellow) and Just Joey (burnt orange) are good re. perfume.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 9, 2023 1:28 pm
Roger
Roger
January 9, 2023 1:30 pm

And this is his big ticket item. It isn’t energy, it isn’t inflation. If this referendum is defeated, Albo is gone.

Yep…he’s nailed his colours to this mast.

Was there a call for the Liberal Party to have a conscience vote? Who is calling for it?

I heard it was Ken Wyatt.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 9, 2023 1:34 pm

Sussan Ley it looks like. Dutton himself?

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 9, 2023 1:37 pm

Diogenes mused…

so we can get an idea of what we will be making permanent.

The Aboriginal Voice to Parliament either receives special attention, weight, and privileges, or it does not. If it does not, what is the purpose in creating it that is not already served by current MPs?
If it does receive special treatment, it is a racist institution. We already know everything important about the Aboriginal Voice to Parliament by theory alone, there is nothing important to be gained by establishing it first and asking referendums later. The idea itself is wrong headed. Any further “detail” is revealed mainly to distract the plebes from this fundamental problem with it.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 9, 2023 1:39 pm

No it was Wyatt Roger.

“We will condemn our nation and our indigenous Australians to continue living the level of disparity that we have seen for decades,” he said.

“I would urge the Liberal Party to support the Voice but if there is dissension within the party then at least give members a conscience vote.

Crossie
Crossie
January 9, 2023 1:40 pm

thefrollickingmole says:
January 9, 2023 at 12:50 pm
Get David Austin roses

Ill check them out, want to go heavy on scent.

What you need are Mr Lincoln roses. Strong, robust growth, large red blooms and a strong heavenly scent.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 9, 2023 1:41 pm

Read that first paragraph. FMD what codswallop

TrevorG
TrevorG
January 9, 2023 1:41 pm

All the amendment will do is make it ‘unremovable’

If you can change it by referendum now, then you can remove it by a new referendum.

mem
mem
January 9, 2023 1:42 pm

Read the article in the ABC about the Carbon Credit Scheme Review chaired by the aptly titled Mr. Chubb who continues to be wheeled out whenever Labor needs a scientific opinion in line with its politics. Well it seems there will be more of the same with a couple of tweaks. Couldn’t help but notice this statement buried down towards the bottom of the text; ” While the review panel noted the potential use of Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) to limit the “pace and extent” of climate change, it also said it had been told during the inquiry period that it was not economic.”
So in other words its a bloody waste of money and effort but let’s go ahead anyway. Of course nothing about the fact that Australia is already a natural net carbon sink and the scheme was never needed in the first place. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-09/australian-carbon-credit-units-review-report/101836478

Christine
Christine
January 9, 2023 1:42 pm

A few stems of the white freesia (garden-grown) could fill a room with scent.
Not so much now.
Maybe going the way of carnation perfume.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 9, 2023 1:46 pm

Three contractors bid on repair to the White House fence. One is from Chicago, another is from Kentucky, and the third is from New Orleans. All three go with a White House Official to examine the fence.

The New Orleans contractor takes out a tape measure and does some measuring, then works some figures with a pencil. “Well” he says “I figure the job will run about $9,000. That’s $4,000 for materials, $4,000 for my crew and $1,000 profit for me”.

The Kentucky contractor also does some measuring and figuring, then says “I can do this job for $7,000. That’s $3,000 for materials, $3,000 for my crew and $1,000 profit for me”.

The Chicago contractor doesn’t measure or figure, but leans over to the White House official and whispers “$27,000”.

The official, incredulous, says “You didn’t even measure like the other guys!! How did you come up with such a high figure??”

The Chicago contractor whispers back “$10,000 for me, $10,000 for you, and we hire the guy from Kentucky to fix the fence!” “Done!” replies the Government Official.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 9, 2023 1:46 pm

If you can change it by referendum now, then you can remove it by a new referendum.

So, will the Voice to Parliament be in the position where they may have to approve a referendum to remove that voice?

Crossie
Crossie
January 9, 2023 1:47 pm

Is Wyatt another one of John Howard’s ideas?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 9, 2023 1:48 pm

No enterprise is more likely to succeed than one concealed from the enemy until it is ripe for execution.

– Niccolo Machiavelli

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 9, 2023 1:52 pm

TrevorG says

If you can change it by referendum now, then you can remove it by a new referendum.

They are both acts of popular consent. But your model of the people’s psychology is incomplete if you think they will both be judged fairly on merits in the same way, first to install and then to remove.
Because it is easier to fool a person than to get them to admit that they were fooled.
The best time for removing bad political installations is before they are installed.

Roger
Roger
January 9, 2023 1:56 pm

“We will condemn our nation and our indigenous Australians to continue living the level of disparity that we have seen for decades,” he said.

Having 24 elected reps, most or all of them aboriginal industry hacks, in Canberra will remedy that?

Surely even he doesn’t believe it.

Robert Sewell
January 9, 2023 1:58 pm

Zipster:

https://twitter.com/canindependent/status/1612180486759251968

I think the term “electoral trust” has just met its use by date.
There cannot be too many elections lately that have delivered a non leftist result.
This is why I believe the Squark will get through.
Voting will only give Lefty results otherwise they wouldn’t be held.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 9, 2023 2:01 pm

ABC ran a story this morning about a kid who’s just been released from custody for break and enter offences. He listed the reasons he got into trouble from an early age – surprisingly a lack of a Voice was never mentioned.
Not from the Canburra mob.

132andBush
132andBush
January 9, 2023 2:01 pm

The best time for removing bad political installations is before they are installed.

It’s a nice thought, though the human race tends to take a more “suck it and see” approach.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 9, 2023 2:02 pm

Going through a pitch deck for a US education business.
Quotes a study that a says a third of US public school kids think that Gandalf & George Washington lived at the same time.
I’ve heard this line quoted a few times over the past month.
I wonder where it really originated from.

Roger
Roger
January 9, 2023 2:06 pm

Is Wyatt another one of John Howard’s ideas?

He entered parliament the term after Howard lost and was later appointed to a ministry by Turnbull. He was the minister responsible, under Morrison, for the inception of an indigenous voice to parliament and, under his direction, Calma & Langton were appointed to co-chair the special advisory group which produced the model Albanese proclaims himself to be so enamoured with.

So we can’t blame Howard for this one.

Robert Sewell
January 9, 2023 2:07 pm

Alwaysright:

What a ^Horrible time to be alive.

The adults are in the position of having to watch helpless while being locked out of the room, the kids are sticking forks in every powerpoint they can find and chanting out loud to themselves “We’ll get it right this time”.
I may just start producing T Shirts “We warned you, you stupid, stupid, bastards.”

Robert Sewell
January 9, 2023 2:12 pm

Cassie:

“next time you decide to interrupt me, contradict me, rebut me, disprove me, and try to prove me wrong make sure you get all your facts right or preferably, keep your mouth shut.”

Do you do videos, Cassie?
And how much are they?

calli
calli
January 9, 2023 2:17 pm

Here is a list of the toughest of the tough when it comes to roses. Many will just keep on flowering throughout the year. All good for disease resistance (bearing in mind that any humidity here will give you black spot).

Tall – Graham Austin
Lorraine Lee

Medium – Mary Rose
Heritage
Iceberg
Chaucer
Golden Celebration
Touch of Class

Ground – Green Ice
Little White Pet

Climber – Mutabilis up a wall
Zepherine Drouhin on an arch (AgathaChristie style)

Lots of different colours and types. My personal favourite is the glorious old Alistair Clarke “Lorraine Lee”. She can be found in old gardens across the country. Don’t bother with the once a year bloomers, get the hybrid “remontant” types.

calli
calli
January 9, 2023 2:19 pm

I’d just like that on an audio tape. Forget a video.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 9, 2023 2:22 pm

123andBush reckoned:

It’s a nice thought, though the human race tends to take a more “suck it and see” approach.

Yes indeed, evolutionary approach generally good, and that is still besides the point that I was making.
Firstly, what are the chances that an institution that is racist in theory will turn out to be good in practice, and so why do we need to try it out to determine the answer to that?
Secondly, why do you think we will be able to see everything that happens as a result of the AVP?
Finally, a cancellation via 2nd referendum does not require the people to “see” the results of their assent, it requires them to admit what they have seen. A subtle but potentially significant difference.

Also I admit to mistaken wording in my comment above “If it does receive special treatment, it is a racist institution.” It’s racist by definition of its eligible constituency (and possibly direct membership) regardless of what special policy influence it is granted.

Some of the questions I posed above are not necessarily rhetorical but I’ve been unable to imagine what good answers they have.

calli
calli
January 9, 2023 2:25 pm

Sorry. That was “Graham Thomas” by David Austin.

He’s tall, full blown and golden with strong canes and beautiful, glossy, dark green foliage. Hard to kill.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 9, 2023 2:28 pm

I think The Voice will get up.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 9, 2023 2:34 pm

feelthebern says: January 9, 2023 at 2:28 pm

I think The Voice will get up.

Up like the Hindenburg?

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 9, 2023 2:35 pm

After winning the 2025 election, the Labor Green coalition will introduce an estate tax.

John H.
John H.
January 9, 2023 2:39 pm

feelthebernsays:
January 9, 2023 at 2:28 pm
I think The Voice will get up.

That will happen in spite of there not being one shred of evidence it will help indigenous people. It is infuriating. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Voice starts presenting bills to Parliament. Has anyone else noted how often “always was, always will be” is being trumpeted in these days?

Robert Sewell
January 9, 2023 2:41 pm

Bruce O’Newk:
There are two dictionaries in use in the world today – The Standard, and the Woke. All the day to day words are defined in the Standard, but the Woke Dictionary has many expanded meanings to these words that are referred to in legislation. That’s how “Love is Love” means you have agreed to support “Minor Attracted Persons” when it comes to laws etc.
Verbal sleight of hand, and you’d better believe the Left is damn good at it.

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 9, 2023 2:43 pm

After winning the 2025 election, the Labor Green coalition will introduce an estate tax.

applied retrospectively. of course

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 9, 2023 2:45 pm

via m0ntifa and Breitbart:

Thousands of opponents of socialist convicted felon President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva stormed his offices and the headquarters of the Congress and Supreme Federal Tribunal (STF) of Brazil on Sunday, reportedly demolishing the facades of two of the three buildings and causing “irreparable” damage to priceless artifacts in the chambers.
… what began as a peaceful protest on Sunday against Lula veered out of control as “nearly 100” buses from around the country drove into the capital, overwhelming the number of police in the streets. The protesters tore down a barricade keeping them off of the Congressional building’s esplanade and climbed atop it, storming its roof while hundreds of others destroyed the glass facade below. The mob succeeded despite police attempting to hold back the wave of people with tear gas.

I look forward to a video from yesterday eventually being uncovered showing one Raul Epps in a red Bolsonaro cap telling people “to enter the capital…” 😉
A continuation of political exports from USA to Brasil.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 9, 2023 2:47 pm

Test

Crossie
Crossie
January 9, 2023 2:48 pm

Has anyone else noted how often “always was, always will be” is being trumpeted in these days?

It’s a religion but without sins or accountability. Just pursuit and exercise of power. Reminds me of something …

John H.
John H.
January 9, 2023 2:51 pm

Robert Sewellsays:
January 9, 2023 at 2:41 pm
Bruce O’Newk:
There are two dictionaries in use in the world today – The Standard, and the Woke. All the day to day words are defined in the Standard, but the Woke Dictionary has many expanded meanings to these words that are referred to in legislation. That’s how “Love is Love” means you have agreed to support “Minor Attracted Persons” when it comes to laws etc.
Verbal sleight of hand, and you’d better believe the Left is damn good at it.

In human behavior we think in terms of a distribution. We recognise that some individuals at the tails of a distribution are often not in the best of health, demonstrate various pathologies and behavioral quirks regarded as not being within the normal range and are problematic qualities. Woke has confused treating all people with respect as being equivalent to regarding all people being in the normal range of behavior.

Crossie
Crossie
January 9, 2023 2:52 pm

bespoke says:
January 9, 2023 at 2:39 pm
White House not satisfied with Facebook’s efforts to do something about Tucker Carlson’s COVID posts

They will be even less satisfied in future, Tucker is devastating when he starts on an issue. To stop him they will have to go after the Murdochs or lean on Paul Ryan.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 9, 2023 2:57 pm

Has anyone else noted how often “always was, always will be” is being trumpeted in these days?

You couldn’t defend that land..

John H.
John H.
January 9, 2023 3:00 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
January 9, 2023 at 2:57 pm
Has anyone else noted how often “always was, always will be” is being trumpeted in these days?

You couldn’t defend that land..

Give ’em a chunk of undeveloped dirt to live their culture and tell them to go for it without appropriating any of our cultural achievements. See how that works out. Ya’ know, just like remote communities. Always was, always will be … stuck in the neolithic.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 9, 2023 3:06 pm

Give ’em a chunk of undeveloped dirt to live their culture and tell them to go for it without appropriating any of our cultural achievements

Make a great reality TV show..

Robert Sewell
January 9, 2023 3:06 pm

Knuckle Dragger:

Hair testing also absolves the company of its need to make sure the employees aren’t using the fake cocks with tubes leading to somebody else’s piss in a bag under the armpit, and which delivers the non-genuine wee when squeezed.

You can also get devices* that allow urine in your bladder (A) to be transferred via a connecting catheter to another persons bladder (B). The urine is then able to be stored for a short period of time before it is contaminated with person B’s kidney output.
Delivered at the right temperature as well.
*Available at certain selected Adult specialty shops which cater for certain self selected adults.
No. Don’t ask.

Dot
Dot
January 9, 2023 3:10 pm

I just read a wonderful proposition arguing that contemporary universities display all of the destructive characteristics of medieval monasteries: non-accountable, opaque, grasping, murderously ideological, entitled, corrupt, purposeless and so on.

Did you read this insane trash in the Unz Review?

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 9, 2023 3:13 pm

m0nty-fa

What is happening in Brazil is, by BLM standards, a fully peaceful demonstration.

Robert Sewell
January 9, 2023 3:13 pm

Bluey:

Despite the tenants of their religion most of them have the same cultural issues as many of the other Indians I’ve dealt with. Quite happy to screw you over for a short term gain, but longer term loss. Glad I’m not having to make the deals.

There was a famous quote written by a Pakistani that their kids were brought up to lie, steal, and manipulate their way through life because you were going to be ripped off anyway and if you didn’t behave like a crook then you were stupid. And no one wanted to be taken as stupid.
A template for a low trust society, so to speak.
Wish I’d kept a copy – did anyone else?
These days, I just assume if a subcontinental appears honest, then he’s a thieving bastard, and I keep a firm grip on my wallet and passwords.
It seems to work.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 9, 2023 3:19 pm

feelthebernsays:

January 9, 2023 at 2:28 pm

I think The Voice will get up.

I think WA and Queensssland will be a No.
I think NSW and Afdanistan will be a Yes.
SA and Tasmania?
Who knows?

Rafiki
Rafiki
January 9, 2023 3:19 pm

I may be wrong, but … the words that will be inserted into the Constitution will not say anything at all about the detail of the constitution of the advisory body, or of its powers, or staff, or remuneration, and so forth. The first statute that does so cannot be entrenched and may be changed from time to time.

It may be that the High Court will “read in” an obligation on parliament to make some minimal detail, but this cannot require appropriation of money, and in any event, how is the Court going to enforce any obligation?

The one substantive thing the HC could do is elaborate on what ‘consultation’ requires, but this won’t be too stringent because it won’t be happy if it has to constantly hear cases that allege a failure to consult.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 9, 2023 3:22 pm

“The Voice” is like “climate change” and BLM and trannie “rights” and so on.

They are all weapons for the Left to beat everyone around the head, and when they object, the Left can scream “racist” or”climate change deniers” or whatever to get objectors to shut up.

They also have lots of useful idiots who have been suckered into the debate as willing foot soldiers, even though half the time they have been deceived by mantras of being fairer, or whatever. Think your easily-manipulated teenager, or your change-the-world uni student as examples.

Underneath it all is an agenda to transform individual or family wealth into government coffers to continue to fund their pet ideas, be it Light Rail, or public housing, or whatever scheme they’ve dreamt up to pursue their idea of nirvana. They won’t be happy until we are all wearing grey clothes and eating 1500 calories a day of government-decreed tofu equivalent, while spying on each other and tattling to the authorities. Who will have access to Party-only shops with nice stuff.

Woke societies look more and more like the beginnings of the Soviet system every day. Orwell’s 1984 was a warning, not an instruction manual. But the Woke haven’t read it – they just have been trained to obey its dictates.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
January 9, 2023 3:26 pm

Their real fear is the shitfight that would erupt among the 300 “nations” when the detail is exposed and 271 nations perceive that they will be disadvantaged.

An unavoidable result regardless of the constitutional wording is a monopoly on Aboriginal views. Whoever gets on The Voice committee gets all the Smarties, again emphasising that this is all about power and little else.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 9, 2023 3:28 pm

If you can change it by referendum now, then you can remove it by a new referendum.

So, will the Voice to Parliament be in the position where they may have to approve a referendum to remove that voice?

The Government that allowed that particular referendum through would achieve international Taliban status – and never get another Christmas card from the UNHRC.

Never, ever going to happen.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 9, 2023 3:33 pm

I have a little demolition job coming up as part of an insurance job, and I think a little Bobcat or Dingo or whatever is the go.

Anybody know if insurance companies pay bounties for tip offs?

Asking for a feind.

You do know you cant wreck it with the bobcat and then claim insurance?

Thanks for the rose suggestions, the Mr Lincolns are ones I do like, I might give the rose suppliers a call and see about area suitability.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 9, 2023 3:36 pm

Yep…he’s [ Albo] nailed his colours to this mast.

Some Kid-in-Short-Pants has forgotten (or more likely never knew) The Golden Rule. Albo should know better but at heart is is still an 18yo Trot being lead around by the nose by The Greens.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 9, 2023 3:37 pm

NDIS officials are wasting countless hours and taxpayer funds fighting dubious claims for everything from infra-red saunas to sex therapy because Labor has been slow to reform the system, shadow social services minister Michael Sukkar has said.

An analysis of claims originally knocked back by the NDIS and brought to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal reveals participants in the program have sought everything from tai chi lessons to infra-red saunas to sex workers to airplane tickets for carers to help them attend interstate sporting matches.

In one case, a family successfully claimed nearly $58,000 to complete renovations to build an “independent living area” in their home including new kitchen, bathroom, and timber flooring for their 26-year-old son with cognitive impairments.

In another case, one Sydneysider who “lived independently” with her disability sought $6,745 for a Sun Stream Evolve Infrared Sauna. That claim was knocked back.

A Melbourne man also successfully appealed to have the NDIS fund plane tickets, taxi fares and “participation fee(s)” covered by the taxpayer so he could attend interstate sporting events twice a year, at an unspecified cost.

One Sydney woman, who suffered from an unspecified disability, sought taxpayer funds to engage the “services of a sexual therapist, specifically trained in treating disabled persons”.

The outcome of that decision was withheld from the public though the tribunal did suggest that “funding for a specialised sex therapist” would be in keeping with NDIS legislation.

Other claims that have been made to the NDIS but ultimately knocked back after time consuming and expensive appeals have included demands for tai chi and singing lessons, equine horse therapy, and nearly $4,000 for a home water filtration system.

Last month, the government said that it would abolish the tribunal, which handles disputes over decisions by government departments, and replace it with an as yet undetermined body.

Daily Tele

JC
JC
January 9, 2023 3:42 pm

The one substantive thing the HC could do is elaborate on what ‘consultation’ requires, but this won’t be too stringent

Of course it will be because the Parliament will essentially have to consult those idiots on almost everything they wish to pass. Furthermore, placing ” a voice” in front of the parliament will be like a second guessing exercise. It’s like a tripwire.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 9, 2023 3:43 pm

Has anyone else noted how often “always was, always will be” is being trumpeted in these days?

It is a slogan that allows people to avoid a less amenable truth.

Imagine if, instead of saying ‘always was, always will be’ they said ‘arrived 60,000 (or whatever) years ago’, or ‘got here first’ (around which point there is some debate) or ‘here for a long uninterrupted time’ – each of which point can be approached rationally.

The original slogan itself is anti-rational, relying on magical mythical origin stories.

bespoke
bespoke
January 9, 2023 3:43 pm

Top Endersays:
January 9, 2023 at 3:37 pm
NDIS officials are wasting countless hours and taxpayer funds fighting dubious claims for everything from infra-red saunas to sex therapy because Labor has been slow to reform the system, shadow social services minister Michael Sukkar has said.

They had more then enough time to reform the system.

JC
JC
January 9, 2023 3:44 pm

Also, who decides “the voicees”? If it comes to a vote, who will be eligible to be a candidate and who can vote?

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 9, 2023 3:44 pm

123andBush reckoned:

It’s a nice thought, though the human race tends to take a more “suck it and see” approach.

Not sure that applies to Consititutional change referenda. Not many of them have got up. Even poofta marriage was a plebiscite, arguably attracting lower scrutiny and allowing palimentarians the luxury of vacating the field through a conscience vote. Albo has stuck his head in the lion’s mouth.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 9, 2023 3:46 pm

FiL had Dublin Bay climber rose. Grew over 4m, absolutely magnificent. Snagged himself on several thorns, arm turned purple. Took ages to heal and colour to go away.

Speedbox
January 9, 2023 3:50 pm

If you can change it by referendum now, then you can remove it by a new referendum.

No. Once the Voice is enshrined in the Constitution, it will be a permanent fixture. Impossible to remove even if demonstrated to be an absolutely corrupt shitshow – the Government of the day will only attempt ‘reform’, but abolition will not be considered.

m0nty
m0nty
January 9, 2023 3:51 pm

NDIS officials are wasting countless hours and taxpayer funds fighting dubious claims for everything from infra-red saunas to sex therapy because Labor has been slow to reform the system, shadow social services minister Michael Sukkar has said.

LOL, nine years of neglect under blokes like Sukkar and they think we will forget.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 9, 2023 3:52 pm

I think WA and Queensssland will be a No.
I think NSW and Afdanistan will be a Yes.
SA and Tasmania?
Who knows?

Probably correct. I just can’t see how it can get up as a Constitutional amendment. Would the poofta marriage plebiscite made the Constitutional hurdle? I can’t remember.

Mater
January 9, 2023 3:53 pm

Professor Marcia Langton whilst giving the Lowitja O’Donoghue Oration (15:12) in 2015:

“Before we become too optimistic, let me also warn that if a NO case is formalised, as Cory Bernardi threatens, and funded by the government, and included in the question papers to be put to a referendum, constitutional recognition of indigenous people will almost certainly fail.”

And Elbow obliges.
They don’t like informed democracy much, do they?
Yeah, let’s have a referendum, but let’s make it a one horse race!

Oddly, at 10:34 in that same video, she states:

“But first, let me make it clear that I believe that any idea of race and the ability of the parliament to use race in its law making, should be removed from our constitution.”

How times have changed since 2015.
They seem to now want a special body to advise on law making, specifically based on race.

rosie
rosie
January 9, 2023 3:54 pm

I have Alister Clarke’s Lorraine Lee in a climber also Black Boy.
Both at the front door.
I used to be a bit fussy with pruning but now it’s the hedge clippers.
I think they’ve both been there as long as the house.

JC
JC
January 9, 2023 3:54 pm

LOL, nine years of neglect under blokes like Sukkar and they think we will forget.

That’s reasonable, but now Tits needs to fix it and fast.

rosie
rosie
January 9, 2023 3:55 pm

Monty objects to the opposition doing their job.

JC
JC
January 9, 2023 3:58 pm

In the referendum, would this mean ACT and NT don’t get to vote?

How do we amend the constitution? The Australian Constitution can only be altered by referendum. In a referendum, all Australians of voting age vote yes or no for the proposed changes. To succeed, a majority of voters nationwide and a majority of States (four out of six) must approve the changes.

I’m not certain the yes vote would get all six.

rosie
rosie
January 9, 2023 3:59 pm

Said it before, requiring ndis participants to co pay whatever crap they think they are entitled to would considerably cut back claims.
What private insurance scheme doesn’t have an excess?

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 9, 2023 4:00 pm

LOL, nine years of neglect under blokes like Sukkar and they think we will forget.

That’s not how it works. Yes voters will forget. LOL.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 9, 2023 4:01 pm

Not sure that applies to Consititutional change referenda. Not many of them have got up. Even poofta marriage was a plebiscite, arguably attracting lower scrutiny and allowing palimentarians the luxury of vacating the field through a conscience vote.

The suggestion up-thread (Diogenes?) that the legislation should be passed, subject to confirmation by a referendum, might not be workable, but putting it to a plebiscite might be successful, with the big-city voters in the big states having the numbers for a simple plebiscite. This would require only an absolute majority of votes, which would be more easily “rigged” than a majority of voters in a majority of states.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 9, 2023 4:03 pm

Chainsaw works well for pruning roses.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 9, 2023 4:04 pm

m0ntysays:
January 9, 2023 at 3:51 pm
NDIS officials are wasting countless hours and taxpayer funds fighting dubious claims for everything from infra-red saunas to sex therapy because Labor has been slow to reform the system, shadow social services minister Michael Sukkar has said.

LOL, nine years of neglect under blokes like Sukkar and they think we will forget.

LO, an unmanageable shitshow set up under Gilliard, and they think we will forget.

Zipster
Zipster
January 9, 2023 4:04 pm
H B Bear
H B Bear
January 9, 2023 4:05 pm

Boambee John at 4:01 – surely if the Liars tried that Dutton and the Lieborals would be obliged to act?

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 9, 2023 4:07 pm

LOL, an unmanageable …

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 9, 2023 4:09 pm

Interesting.
Looking at NYK line shipping containers and looked up the company while I’m waiting.
https://www.nyk.com/english/news/2023/20230105_01.html

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 9, 2023 4:10 pm

H B Bearsays:
January 9, 2023 at 4:05 pm
Boambee John at 4:01 – surely if the Liars tried that Dutton and the Lieborals would be obliged to act?

Possibly, but to use that process would require a double backflip with pike and a bounce back onto the diving board by AnAl and the aboriginal “industry”, as it would NOT provide Constitutional recognition.

Doing it would also be a recognition that the referendum was doomed to fail, another blow to AnAl’s pride.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 9, 2023 4:16 pm

Howard got labelled “mean and tricky” for a lot less (from his own side in the Lieboral tradition from memory). I’m not sure the public would wear it if they thought someone was pulling a swifty. Abbott had always said poofta marriage would be by plebiscite and took it to an election before being rolled by Waffleworth.

m0nty
m0nty
January 9, 2023 4:23 pm

I object to the opposition trying to pretend it’s Labor’s fault.

Not sure the problem is all that big though. The tribunal did some test cases, that is what it is supposed to do.

JC
JC
January 9, 2023 4:27 pm

m0nty says:
January 9, 2023 at 4:23 pm

I object to the opposition trying to pretend it’s Labor’s fault.

You object? Who gives a shit if you object? The Liars are the government and it’s now their problem.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 9, 2023 4:33 pm

I object to the opposition trying to pretend it’s Labor’s fault.

Oh mUnty, that is so sweet. The NDIS is KRuddy’s idea and a Gillard and Peanut Head lovechild. The Lieborals should have opposed it but it’s too late for that. Over to you Peanut Head …

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 9, 2023 4:46 pm

Gee I wonder how long before Teats would have been on his hind trotters at the first inkling the Libs were going to rein in the spending on the NDIS?

Nano or pico seconds

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
January 9, 2023 4:46 pm

On our way south after visiting mother Jugulum in Bundy and stopping at Tenterfield tonight.

My God this place is dead, nothing open, no one walking around the main street, very odd.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 9, 2023 4:48 pm

Chainsaw works well for pruning roses.

Bobcats.

Bluey
Bluey
January 9, 2023 4:51 pm

Robert Sewellsays:
January 9, 2023 at 3:13 pm
There was a famous quote written by a Pakistani that their kids were brought up to lie, steal, and manipulate their way through life because you were going to be ripped off anyway and if you didn’t behave like a crook then you were stupid. And no one wanted to be taken as stupid.
A template for a low trust society, so to speak.
Wish I’d kept a copy – did anyone else?
These days, I just assume if a subcontinental appears honest, then he’s a thieving bastard, and I keep a firm grip on my wallet and passwords.
It seems to work.

No doubt when Aus completes it’s devolution into a low trust society the usual suspects will be wondering how we got there.

Speedbox
January 9, 2023 4:54 pm

JC says:
January 9, 2023 at 3:44 pm
Also, who decides “the voicees”? If it comes to a vote, who will be eligible to be a candidate and who can vote?

It’s all a secret at the moment JC…..but, the the government is using two primary reports to make a decision (he said laughingly). One report is from Pat Dodson and Julian Leeser whilst the other is from Professor Marcia Langton and Professor Tom Calma.

The reports offered different scenarios but it appears that 24 members will be appointed from the various States and Territories. The States will be divided into regions and some States must have a one member from a remote region. Thus:

WA: 7 regions, 3 members in total inc. 1 member from a remote district
QLD: 7 regions, 3 members, (1 remote)
NSW: 7 regions, 3 members, (1 remote)
NT: 6 regions, 3 members, (1 remote)
SA: 3 regions, 3 members, (1 remote)
VIC: 2 regions, 2 members
ACT: 1 region, 2 members
TAS: 1 region, 2 members
TSI: 1 region, 3 members with (likely) 1 appointed from a remote Torres Straight area.

So, who gets on this gravy train? Well, that is decided by State or Territory indigenous Councils/Assemblies (like the First Peoples’ Assembly of Victoria) at either local or State level. Given there are supposedly >200 aboriginal ‘nations’, some of whom can’t stand the sight of the others, this has all the makings of a clusterf**k of epic proportions.

Of course, that’s not all. The Voice will supposedly only give ‘advice’ on matters such as indigenous incarceration, child removal, housing, health and education….. but we all know that’s not true. The tentacles of the Voice will reach into every detail of any legislation because any law, no matter how obscure, could be argued to impact indigenous persons just as it impacts every citizen of the country to a greater or lesser extent.

What’s more, the version I’ve seen requires the government to attest to the Parliament that the Voice has been consulted BEFORE legislation is presented for debate AND, once passed, will carry a ‘notation’ that the legislation was accepted by the Voice on (whatever) date as part of the normal preamble that heads every piece of legislation.

To be fair, some of what I’ve seen and read on the subject could be bullshit because of the obvious problem that the government hasn’t yet decided on the details and in any event, those that it has decided upon are secret. So, we the people are being asked to vote ‘on trust’ that the government will come up with a workable model. Bear in mind that there will likely be a whole new government department created to administer all this and the opportunity for corruption, bias and subversion is beyond calculation.

John H.
John H.
January 9, 2023 4:57 pm

So, who gets on this gravy train? Well, that is decided by State or Territory indigenous Councils/Assemblies (like the First Peoples’ Assembly of Victoria) at either local or State level. Given there are supposedly >200 aboriginal ‘nations’, some of whom can’t stand the sight of the others, this has all the makings of a clusterf**k of epic proportions.

If they want a voice in a democracy the individuals should be chosen by the relevant communities voting for their voice. The activists will fight that tooth and nail.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 9, 2023 5:10 pm

Yacht claimed by Michael Mansell and Co is salvaged anyway:

…a spokeswoman for the Huntress confirmed the yacht had been successfully removed from the beach on Monday.

Too slow bro!

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 9, 2023 5:13 pm

> [To assemble The Voice] The States will be divided into regions…

In the bowels of Canberra…
Bureaucrat 1: You know what, Smythe-Peters?
Bureaucrat 2: What’s that, Rogers-Carrington?
Bureaucrat 1: I do love our gerrymandering, but there’s just not enough places and opportunities to do more of it.
Bureaucrat 2: Well, Rogers-Carrington, you are going to love our newest project! If you thought moving votes between two main blocs without being obvious about it was tricky, get ready to level up.
Bureaucrat 1: How many sides does it juggle?
Bureaucrat 2: About 200.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 9, 2023 5:15 pm

From 7:24 am
Shame Dutton was asleep at the wheel over the industrial relations bills.
Labor had a Mandate for those IR Bills from the last Election.
Try to keep up.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 9, 2023 5:15 pm

Just had a look at the 76 comments under the article about Mike Mansell’s yacht.

Two like him and “the Voice” and the rest don’t.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 9, 2023 5:15 pm

The NDIS has always been a Frankenstein’s monster since it was conceived as an act of programmatic specificity amid the motherhood statements and crayon word clouds of KRuddy’s 2020 summit. Gillard welcomed it as the Fabian wet dream it has duly proved to be.

Speedbox
January 9, 2023 5:16 pm

Bureaucrat 1: I think I love you Smythe-Peters.

Pogria
Pogria
January 9, 2023 5:18 pm

Double Delight has a heavenly fragrance as well as being stunning to look at. I have a standard one, also a Mr Lincoln. Another
wonderfully fragranced as well as beautiful.
I am bringing back to life the roses that were at my farm when I moved here. Visually stunning but, sadly no fragrance. There is one old timer with gorgeous apricot shaded blooms. That bush is huge and surrounded by Blackberries. When the time comes to lift it from its current place it will probably be a job for a digger. Woo Hoo! I love heavy machinery and power tools.

Pogria
Pogria
January 9, 2023 5:20 pm

Rosie,
I thought about stuffing the Wombat hole but I would rather shoot it quickly than poison it slowly 😉

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 9, 2023 5:22 pm

Labor had a Mandate for those IR Bills from the last Election.

Are you here all week Groogs? What do you think about the veal?

Zipster
Zipster
January 9, 2023 5:22 pm

China launches massive sea, air combat exercise, scrambles jets around Taiwan
“PLA Eastern Theater Command held cross-service joint alert patrol & combat drills in waters, aerial areas around Taiwan island on Sunday focusing on land attack, sea assault.”

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 9, 2023 5:23 pm

Senator Bragg has an article in The Australian‘s business section arguing that Labor is beholden to vested interests and that’s a bad thing.

On the other hand, he’s a supporter of The Voice without seeing any detail, so he mustn’t think that The Voice could be taken over by vested interests pretty smartly?

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 9, 2023 5:24 pm

John H.says:
January 9, 2023 at 4:57 pm
So, who gets on this gravy train? Well, that is decided by State or Territory indigenous Councils/Assemblies (like the First Peoples’ Assembly of Victoria) at either local or State level. Given there are supposedly >200 aboriginal ‘nations’, some of whom can’t stand the sight of the others, this has all the makings of a clusterf**k of epic proportions.

If they want a voice in a democracy the individuals should be chosen by the relevant communities voting for their voice. The activists will fight that tooth and nail.

Appointed or voted in, who will be recognised as an “aboriginal”? There was a report a day or so ago about some “aboriginal” producer at Their ABC, demanding that the Voice be “feared”, plus a bit more on reparations. She also complained that a high proportion of those identifying as “aboriginal” were fakes.

A link to her bio disclosed a blonde woman with very pale skin and fine features, who would undoubtedly defend her “aboriginality” to the death.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 9, 2023 5:24 pm

Steady on, Speedbox, that’s for a different plebiscite.

Zipster
Zipster
January 9, 2023 5:24 pm

TOKYO — Japanese defense officials are weighing a plan to build dozens of ammunition and weapons depots on far-flung southwestern islands in preparation for a potential Taiwan crisis, Nikkei has learned.

Japan has about 1,400 ammunition storage facilities nationwide, but 70% are located in the country’s northernmost main island of Hokkaido, more than 2,000 km away from Japanese islands in the East China Sea.

Bill P
Bill P
January 9, 2023 5:25 pm

Topender

Oh, I’m tempted, I admit, to try just a simple one, a Tiger Moth, say, but I know where that would lead. Like most early loves, it probably shouldn’t be revisited.

As a kid I once spent weeks making a model sailing ship. It was very complicated.
The cocker spaniel destroyed it with one bite.

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Tom says: January 9, 2023 at 11:14 am
Ask any of the Cat farmers: weather cycles are in their bones.

That all people have weather cycles imbued in their bones is something I took for granted.

It was years after I moved to town that I started to grasp that when it comes to weather many people are complete ingenues. (Just as many have no grasp of distance, area, volume of rainfall, or how to change a flat tyre, & so on)

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 9, 2023 5:26 pm

French President Emmanuel Macron has agreed to become the first Western leader to supply Ukraine with tanks following talks with Zelensky.

I look forward to reading Catallaxy’s comments on the French tanks!

Diogenes
Diogenes
January 9, 2023 5:26 pm

On our way south after visiting mother Jugulum in Bundy and stopping at Tenterfield tonight.

My God this place is dead, nothing open, no one walking around the main street, very odd.

Nup. Normal. Everything shuts at 5

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 9, 2023 5:29 pm

So, who gets on this gravy train?

Mrs Phatty Adams would be a shoo-in. The whole thing would resemble a Tasmanian family tree or the ALPBC org chart.

calli
calli
January 9, 2023 5:29 pm

Pogria, I love Mr Lincoln too. It’s great for cutting, having long stems (like his namesake). Back of the border for him!

Another beautiful, fragrant monster is “New Dawn”. She’ll climb over anything, and some growers do her as a tall weeper, grafted onto a long trunk of either Dr Huey or multiflora.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 9, 2023 5:30 pm

Bragg also claims that the UAP fell over in 1941 because it was seen as beholden to vested interests and Menzies made a point of the Liberal Party legislating without regard for the vested interests.

Is that true though?
There’s at lest 25 Labor Shills here who claim the Liberal Party represents the Big End of Town.

calli
calli
January 9, 2023 5:30 pm

I look forward to reading Catallaxy’s comments on the French tanks!

Lol!

Guns n’ Roses!

johanna
johanna
January 9, 2023 5:32 pm

GreyRanga says:
January 9, 2023 at 4:03 pm

Chainsaw works well for pruning roses.

A lot of truth in that.

Bush roses, for example – exactly. Just cut them down almost to the ground. They love it.

There was a lot of mystique about pruning roses, which I suspect came from England, where the climate makes growing them a lot harder than here (except for in the tropics – too wet and humid).

Well established roses in non-humid areas are pretty much unkillable. You certainly can’t kill them by pruning too hard. There are a few tricks to maximise flowering, but if you’ve got a good one, it will flower pretty much no matter what, as long as it has food and water.

Must admit I have never much liked the neat rows of almost bare standard rose stems you would see after flowering in Australian gardens when I was growing up. Very English, but not necessary here. A lot of them have attractive foliage and I usually just treat them like shrubs.

Pogria
Pogria
January 9, 2023 5:37 pm

Calli, I hope to be breaking ground for my rose garden this winter. I have sketched exactly what I want. I have seen it in my mind for years. Fingers crossed.
A couple of the roses that are here already are absolutely lovely. A peachy pink variety with very thick petals that opens slowly. It makes a great cut flower. I worked for a couple of rose growers in the eighties. That’s where my love affair with them began. One nursery was cut flowers for market. The other was a grower who budded and grew bare rooted plants for retail. That was where I learnt to bud and graft.

calli
calli
January 9, 2023 5:38 pm

Joh, you have to work out whether the rose is growing on its own roots or a graft. That will determine your mode of mutilation.

Grafted roses are easy for commercial producers, but you can grow roses from cuttings . If they’re cutting grown you have many more options on pruning as the entire rose is the one variety. I mentioned the common grafts up thread – they’ll often pop a shoot from the base (Dr Huey is red, multi is pink). Cut the buggers off pronto.

Never cut below the graft. You have just murdered your rose.

Pogria
Pogria
January 9, 2023 5:40 pm

Oh Calli, forgot to mention I have kept a copy of the rose varieties you have mentioned so far. Also any mentioned by other commenters.
Last week I lucked out and bought Botanica’s Roses Encyclopaedia and Stirling Macoboys’ Roses. Second hand, only ten dollars each! I love a bargain.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 9, 2023 5:41 pm

Peru’s defense minister Jorge Chávez announced on Thursday that, according to intelligence reports, five Bolivian foreigners entered the country to incite violent leftist riots and promote separatism in the nation’s south.

What is it with left-wing idiots starting insurrections that end in failure in early January?

calli
calli
January 9, 2023 5:42 pm

Heh. I still have my Victorinox budding knife. Swiss excellence.

Sadly, no roses here. The old garden had over 100 varieties, some of the antique persuasion. Always wanted a set of chainmail for the yearly “big prune” especially for Albertine on the front fence who stopped the traffic for her annual show.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

calli says: January 9, 2023 at 12:59 pm
Remember the first rule of bobcat safety – always, always, always drop the bucket to the ground. Never, ever leave it raised. Never.

Basic rule of all machines with blade, stickrake, comb, whatever.

Let the pressure off the hydraulics. (Likewise for cable lift blades). Don’t leave machine under load strain when it is not being used.

The council (who else) dug up the street in front of me & left a digger bucket in the air overnight – directly over the water main (4″ poly pipe) into my place.
Yep, the street was “Lake Salvatore” by 4am.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 9, 2023 5:45 pm

We had a yellow climber that could not be identified. Didn’t do any good at all. Whacked it with the chainsaw but missed a small shoot. Passed the second storey and onto the roof in a short time. Never looked back. Old rose planted by original owners about 1910.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

rickw says: January 8, 2023 at 11:57 pm
Blancolirio on Gold Coast helicopter collision:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2FBWa_yTtw

He sums it up well. Though there’s nothing in there that we don’t already know.

Those who’re completely uninformed and have paid no attention, would benefit from that 10 minute video – which could easily be condensed into about 4 minutes.

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