1,634 thoughts on “Open Thread – Weekend 7 Jan 2023”

  1. Just for once, could you make a vague attempt at validation before jumping in?

    That sets a dangerous precedent.

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  2. Scumbag was loathed and rightly so.
    Scotty is a top bloke.
    The reality is that Joshie took 12 years to turn the Liberals safest seat into a Marginal and then lose it.
    Labor tactical voting helped too, same as it does to keep Barnaby Joyce on the Public Teat.

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  3. Implication of Minsk Lies: Erosion of International Law, Loss of Trust
    Schiller Institute
    In her weekly webcast today, Helga Zepp LaRouche ridiculed the anti-Russian narratives of NATO leaders, pointing to the broad implications of the admissions, by former German Chancellor Merkel and ex-President of France Hollande, that they never intended to fulfill the agreements they signed in Minsk. They were not just lying, she said — they were violating international law. These are the same people who speak incessantly about the “Rules-Based Order.” She said that these admissions led Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov to announce that there is no longer anyone in the EU with whom to negotiate.

    there is going to be no happy ending here

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  4. “Sometimes I’d love to drop someone like that into the shearer’s quarters & see if she even understands what the smoko conversation is about.”

    Well to be fair to Allegra, I wouldn’t understand either.

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  5. Sadly the words “died suddenly “ are words we are all hearing too often.

    Rasmussen polling in the US has it at 28% Dems 22% Republicans who are vaccinated believe they know of someone who has died of the vaccine.

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  6. Well to be fair to Allegra, I wouldn’t understand either.

    To begin with – “Ducks on the pond” means “No swearing – ladies present.”

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  7. Said it before. Saying it now. Sadly, will probably say it again.

    The people desperate to attribute any death whatsoever, at any age, to any vax intake are every bit as duplicitous as those who tried to attribute suicides and car accident deaths to Covid two years ago.

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  8. Topped himself, unfortunately.

    As did the MMA fighter CL mentioned earlier, as intimated by her sister.

    I’m no fan of the vaccines, but co-opting these deaths for that cause without proof strikes me as disrespectful to the dead and their families.

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  9. Has it suddenly become haram?

    I suspect so. Permanganate (as Z-Stoff) was one of the oxidizers used to fuel the crazily insane Me 163 rocketplane interceptor the Germans developed late in WW2. ( The List of Stoffs is a fine wiki page of very excitable chemistry.)

    I did a lot of work with those chemicals. Made some sodium manganate one day (Na2MnO4), it’s bright green rather than bright purple like permanganate. Filtered the reaction mixture through a filter paper…and was amazed that the filter paper wasn’t there anymore. The sodium manganate ate the paper instantaneously. These are really out-there compounds.

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  10. From CBS:-
    “He had several run-ins with police related to drugs and alcohol — and sought treatment at the Betty Ford Center in Rancho Mirage.
    Rich suffered from a type of depression that defied treatment and he had tried to erase the stigma of talking about mental illness, said publicist Danny Deraney. He unsuccessfully tried experimental cures over the years.

    But, of course, Indolent knows best, performing Post Mortems from across the Pacific.

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  11. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupiditysays:
    January 9, 2023 at 8:06 pm
    Cassie of Sydney says: January 9, 2023 at 7:39 pm
    I would also add vacuous, that’s not saying she’s dumb, she isn’t. However Spender’s privilege has made her unable to think outside the eastern suburbs’ bubble. She doesn’t give a toss about anyone living outside a Teal electorate.

    Sometimes I’d love to drop someone like that into the shearer’s quarters & see if she even understands what the smoko conversation is about.

    Never interrupt smoko.

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  12. Well to be fair to Allegra, I wouldn’t understand either.

    I shoulda said “politics & current affairs discussed at smoko”

    Varies, a good expectation would be: Hard left red politics combined with extremely socially conservative, with very fixed views on welfare & on privilege.
    (Individual results may vary)

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  13. Quick quiz: name the Australian higher education institute (HEI) which makes the following proclamation

    All of them?

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  14. Carpe, is there a bio-lab near by?
    This is how Resident Evil began.

    That explains the Umbrella Corp signs driving into town

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  15. I’m no fan of the vaccines, but co-opting these deaths for that cause without proof strikes me as disrespectful to the dead and their families.

    Not to mention a tiny bit ghoulish in a circling buzzard kind of way, and totally counterproductive to any sensible discussion of vax side effects.
    Interesting that someone also launches in with “come in Rosie”.
    The only reason Rosie comments so frequently on Indolent’s half-cocked errors is that there is so many of them.

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  16. “Knuckle Draggersays:
    January 9, 2023 at 8:13 pm”

    Well said.

    I upticked.

    And at last roll call all pudenda were present and correct.

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  17. Give you an example. This is the X-stoff:

    Tetranitromethane (wiki)

    TNM is a pale yellow liquid that can be prepared in the laboratory by the nitration of acetic anhydride with anhydrous nitric acid (Chattaway’s method).[7] This method was attempted on an industrial scale in the 1950s by Nitroform Products Company in Newark, USA, but the entire plant was destroyed by an explosion in 1953.[8]

    During Summernats the drag racers use nitromethane. Their exhausts glow white. This stoffe stuff is tetranitromethane. German chemists were off the planet.

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  18. The people desperate to attribute any death whatsoever, at any age, to any vax intake are every bit as duplicitous as those who tried to attribute suicides and car accident deaths to Covid two years ago.

    Gimme a fu##in’ break.
    Suicides and car accidents are pretty obviously not COVID19.
    How can you claim these sudden deaths of previously healthy young people aren’t vaccine related?

    Are you claiming to be a Doctor now?

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  19. H B Bear says: January 9, 2023 at 8:22 pm
    Seem to recall shearers were a fertile recruiting ground for the AWU back in the day.

    Membership was compulsory.
    First action at a new shed** was to elect a union rep & ensure everybody was signed on to the union.

    **Western Australia excepted. The union has never had much pull with shearers in Westoz.

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  20. Seem to recall shearers were a fertile recruiting ground for the AWU back in the day.

    The agent for the company who usually brought my wool was an ex shearer – his invaluable advice was that a copy of the terms and conditions of the award, displayed prominently in the shed, nipped most arguments in the bud…

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  21. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity says:
    January 9, 2023 at 8:06 pm

    Cassie of Sydney says: January 9, 2023 at 7:39 pm
    I would also add vacuous, that’s not saying she’s dumb, she isn’t. However Spender’s privilege has made her unable to think outside the eastern suburbs’ bubble. She doesn’t give a toss about anyone living outside a Teal electorate.

    Sometimes I’d love to drop someone like that into the shearer’s quarters & see if she even understands what the smoko conversation is about.

    Dunno about shearers, but I do get to overhear a lot of tradies’ conversations when they are having a beer or two on the balcony (and below) at the motel.

    They never talk about politics. They talk a lot about work related stuff, like what equipment does what and is best for various jobs. Sometimes they talk about family. They reminiscence. They talk about sport. Blah, blah. But not politics.

    We here are un-naturally interested in politics, a thing that is easy to forget.

    Our culture is not like the old Grik men and Italians who sat in coffee bars and argued about politics and football.

    They do care about rising prices and interest rates, though. Everybody does.

    There is a lot of overthinking in Australian political debate. The Yanks call it ‘inside baseball.’ Nobody else cares.

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  22. Long history of off the rails drug abuse and mental illness. Topped himself, unfortunately.

    For goodness’ sake, Cats, could we please go back to referring to any untimely death as a “mysterious fatal accident”?

    Dropping dead of a massive fatal coronary after doing some gardening, putting the kettle on or attempting to tie one’s shoelaces just simply does not possess the same cachet, or je ne sais quoi, if you prefer. 🙂

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  23. Ed October:

    Get your HMAS Sydney facts right prior to barking on any other subject.

    You, sir, are a poltroon of the first order and a dunderhead in the mold of 8th Dan.

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  24. Regarding that long Sasha Latypova interview I linked earlier, in case you didn’t make it all the way through, towards the end she said something very striking but quite obvious if you think about it. If this had been only about making money, they would have rolled out placebo jabs. Covid would have run its course and disappeared, like always, and everyone would have thought what a great vaccine with no side effects and they could have carried on making money hand over fist ad infinitum. Therefore, there had to have been other motivations for pushing, and even mandating something so obviously dangerous that they’re even running adds trying to normalise young people dropping dead on the sporting field or dying in their sleep.

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  25. Dunno about shearers, but I do get to overhear a lot of tradies’ conversations when they are having a beer or two on the balcony (and below) at the motel.

    They never talk about politics. They talk a lot about work related stuff

    Yep, especially with suburban shearing, they catch up on gossip & what is happening around the district.

    However, shearers have historically been unionised to a degree that would make the KGB look apolitical.
    Tradesmen would never have experienced the degree of coercion, backed up by social ostracism & implied threats of extreme physical violence, that came with a heavily unionised industry in sparsely populated regions.

    One had to be really careful lest an unfortunate phrase unlock the dragon.
    (This is nowhere near as much of a risk with suburban shearing)

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  26. his invaluable advice was that a copy of the terms and conditions of the award, displayed prominently in the shed, nipped most arguments in the bud…

    Much like the Rules of Pool over the table in the pub. Rio gave everyone a copy of the little red book which only seemed to set the bush lawyers off.

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  27. Let’s say the Good Ol’ Covid Vax was an innocent victim of a Thalidomide style misinformation campaign and got banned?

    Would anyone outside BigPharma be any worse off?

  28. In the comments:

    Félix Millán
    @drfmillan
    ·
    1h
    Replying to @profnfenton and @TheLancet
    How was it possible a different rate of tests between vaccinated and unvaccinated if a clinical trial is supposed to be blind? ?
    Prof Norman Fenton
    @profnfenton
    ·
    1h
    Replying to @drfmillan and @TheLancet
    It was an observational study not a RCT

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  29. 4822

    WHAT HAPPENS IF BIDEN BECAME POTUS KNOWING HE [THROUGH HUNTER + 1] TOOK MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF BRIBES TO CHANGE [LOOK THE OTHER WAY] US POLICY TOWARDS UKRAINE [IN FAVOR OF UKRAINE]?
    WOULD UKRAINE OWN AND CONTROL THE WHITE HOUSE?
    Q

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  30. You, sir, are a poltroon of the first order and a dunderhead in the mold of 8th Dan.

    Huh?
    You’re a tedious Troll who’s desperately shilling for BigPharma.
    [So, what else is new?]

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  31. Rabz,

    This guy was not just gardening. He was a serial substance aniseed who drifted into and out of periods of sobriety.

    This sort of stuff compromises your body’s ability to handle stresses such as any disease.

    Saying that this guy’s death strongly suggests vaccine skullduggery simply beggars credibility.

    If there are cases of death that strongly support the wicked vaccine narrative they should stand on their own. Bringing in dubious proofs makes all the argument dubious.

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  32. his invaluable advice was that a copy of the terms and conditions of the award, displayed prominently in the shed, nipped most arguments in the bud…

    You’d have to use the union version.
    They’ve condensed the crucial parts down to three pages & used very dickhead friendly terminology.

    The Fair Work Ombudsman’s version is 65 x pages in A4

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  33. If this had been only about making money, they would have rolled out placebo jabs. Covid would have run its course and disappeared, like always, and everyone would have thought what a great vaccine with no side effects and they could have carried on making money hand over fist ad infinitum.

    Therefore, there had to have been other motivations for pushing and even mandating something so obviously dangerous that they’re running ads trying to normalise young people dropping dead on the sporting field or dying in their sleep.

    These are very salient points.

    And yes, if that makes me some conspiracy hypothesist nutcase, then so be it.

    On a brighter note, HOP Time™ awaits all those responsible for this (seemingly) inexplicable outburst of genocidal hitlerist insanity (BIRM).

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  34. My brief flirtation with a unionised blue collar environment at Hamersley Iron (albeit at the bottom of the food chain in the 80s) was that the award was always a matter of interest, particularly vis a vis your peers – railway guys, riggers etc.

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  35. Oh dear, I got in early with the sad story of Adam Rich’s suicide to ward off the usual suspects but the vultures still had to start gnawing.
    It’s incredibly disrespect of families dealing with tragic deaths without social media allegations and in case of the ‘three young doctors ‘ phone calls to their practices from randoms.

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  36. You can do all sorts of fun things with KMnO4. I won’t detail them as ASIO would be unhappy.
    Um, yeah. We used to make serious rockets using zinc dust and sulphur back in the mid 1960’s. I was ignitions systems engineer. Had to cut down severely on the potassium chlorate and icing sugar ignition fuel after the first one. The zinc dust and sulphur would short the torch bulbs (dual ignition) with the glass carefully smashed.

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  37. You, sir, are a poltroon of the first order and a dunderhead in the mold of 8th Dan.

    Poltroon and dunderhead?
    Wow!
    Both barrels!

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  38. If there are cases of death that strongly support the wicked vaccine narrative they should stand on their own

    What?
    According to the Medical experts, every death was caused by coinciditis, Climate Change, Commotio Cornholio, you name it, they’ve got an explanation that defies credulity.
    Bringing in dubious proofs makes all the argument dubious.
    Are you a Doctor?
    No.
    So pull your head in, you’ve got no idea.

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  39. Custard – The money from China dwarfed the money from Ukraine. Think about that.

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  40. MoLo – I wasn’t suggesting anything about the circumstances precipitatin’ the wallie’s death, but that if I was to suddenly drop dead tomorrow after a lengthy gardening stint, that my erstwhile friends might try and add a bit of glamour to the untimely demise by suggesting it was possibly instead a “mysterious fatal accident”.

    “He went to his grave with as much dignity as the Hindenberg”, or something sufficiently vainglorious inscribed on my headstone would suffice. 🙂

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  41. Mother Lodesays:

    January 9, 2023 at 8:46 pm

    Abuser. Not aniseed.

    Ah, OK.
    I thought I had missed yet another piece of modern street slang.

  42. I never attribute nefarious motives when a simple cockup and coverup will do. Plus the opportunity to make lots of lovely money.

    That’s without all the political advantages and skullduggery.

  43. Eyrie – A fun thing is the Martian soil contains a lot of perchlorate, which with a fuel makes a damn fine rocket mix. I wonder if Elon has this in mind?

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  44. I’m enjoying MoLo’s adventures in Siri typing. Trying to remember the other commenter who tried it. They must have had an accent like Natasha Fatale.

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  45. Rabz:
    January 9, 2023 at 8:48 pm

    MoLo – I wasn’t suggesting anything about the circumstances precipitatin’ the wallie’s death

    Sorry, Rabz. It seemed uncharacteristic. I missed the obvious nuance.

    I blame the vaccine.

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  46. I never attribute nefarious motives when a simple cockup and coverup will do. Plus the opportunity to make lots of lovely money.

    No one’s ascribed any nefarious motives.
    The Vaccines are killing people and need to be halted now.
    How hard is that to understand?

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  47. Ed Case is now a doctor.

    Some would say enthusiastic amateur upholsterer but who’s splitting hairs?

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  48. callisays:

    January 9, 2023 at 8:54 pm

    I’m enjoying MoLo’s adventures in Siri typing. Trying to remember the other commenter who tried it. They must have had an accent like Natasha Fatale.

    Easy Flower = Issy Folau.
    Dead giveaway that it was a Saffie.

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  49. I’d be heading to the Hall of Mirrors, Indolent.
    Ed Case is white-knighting you.
    For shame.

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  50. I’m enjoying MoLo’s adventures in Siri typing.

    She is such a serial aniseed.

    Whoever designed her was an absolute buckwheat.

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  51. You’d have to use the union version.
    They’ve condensed the crucial parts down to three pages & used very dickhead friendly terminology.

    Thar was the advice I was given.

    Started out with a dispute over “wet sheep.” It was Friday, we were hoping to finish, when the team arrived, shore two sheep each, and called “wet sheep.” Breathing fire, I pointed out that the sheep had been in the shed all night, where did they get “wet sheep” from?. “Nah, nah, nah, can’t shear wet sheep, we’ll be back Monday to finish.”
    It later emerged that the lady woolclasser wanted to go to Perth for the weekend, and wanted to go to the hairdresser’s……I had the last laugh, when you’ve got the most modern shed in the district, and you pay the contractor’s bill by direct deposit as his car goes down the driveway after “cutout,” you have no difficulty in finding a new shearing contractor……………

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  52. It is entirely up to individuals over 30 to get a 2nd booster, or not.
    In short, for most people the vaccine program is over.

    ATAGI has advised people aged 30 to 49 years old can receive an additional booster if they choose.

    Healthy people aged 16 years to under 30 years who do not have risk factors for severe COVID-19, are not currently recommended to receive an additional booster dose. Evidence shows that protection against severe disease, rather than all infection, is well maintained in young healthy people.

    here is the current Australian advice for boosters.

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  53. Custard – The money from China dwarfed the money from Ukraine. Think about that.

    Not anymore. Think of all the backhanders from the billions and billions of taxpayers’ money sent.

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  54. You’d have to use the union version.
    They’ve condensed the crucial parts down to three pages & used very dickhead friendly terminology.

    Bullshit.
    How is an Award for Shearing going to extend past a couple of pages?
    Getting a copy of the Union Rules is a different story.
    I never knew of anybody who had even seen a copy.

  55. Indolent – True. It’s a honeypot on steroids. But, as the Instapunditers often say, one of the defining features of Biden is he stays bought.

  56. ‘the other commenter that tried it’

    The incomparable None, queen of garbled voice-to-text and hater of EmRat.

  57. You’d have to use the union version. They’ve condensed the crucial parts down to three pages & used very dickhead friendly terminology.

    Before the Internet the first job of the new year was to sit down with the relevant Act, a pair of scissors, all amending Acts and a Uhu glue stick to bring it (hopefully) up to date.

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  58. are not currently recommended to receive an additional booster dose.

    no! no! no! these are safe and effective and we must keep taking them every 3 months for ever!

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  59. … one of the defining features of Biden is he stays bought.

    That is an admirable quality. Not like former Lieboral Premier Rocky O’Conner, who took a bribe payment (from Bondy (?)) and just trousered it. He found his niche,I think, in Northern Suburbs real estate after some thinking time with meals provided.

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  60. johanna says:
    January 9, 2023 at 8:00 pm

    I remember getting potassium permanganate in my chemistry set in the 1960s. Also, it being widely available from chemist shops for use on wounds. It was in many first aid kits.

    Has it suddenly become haram?

    Back in ’49 when we moved into our new house my father stained all the floor boards with Condy’s crystals. Served well till we were able to afford a Feltex square for the lounge room and tiles for the kitchen/ dining room.

    I again encountered potassium permanganate in the treatment room when a trainee nurse at the beginning of the ’60s. I just can’t remember what test/s we used it for then. I should.

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  61. Sancho Panzer:

    The EPA has been the most prolific perpertrator of this sort of over-reach.

    And then doing Jack shit to curtail it’s own ecodisasters… 2015 Gold King Mine waste water spill

    The EPA was criticized for not warning Colorado and New Mexico about the operation until the day after the waste water spilled, despite the fact the EPA employee “in charge of Gold King Mine knew of blowout risk.”[7]

    The EPA has taken responsibility for the incident, but refused to pay for any damages claims filed after the accident on grounds of sovereign immunity, pending special authorization from Congress or re-filing of lawsuits in federal court.

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  62. You’d have to use the union version. They’ve condensed the crucial parts down to three pages & used very dickhead friendly terminology.

    HB, the entire Shearing Award from the FWO, at 65 x A4 pages, is shorter than the pay rate grid table of the Hospitality Industry Award.

    (The pay rate table for hospitality as published by the FWO is in rows 3.5mm high & is about 90 x A4 pages)
    I know, I’ve got two bound copies in my office.

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  63. Indigenous voice member criteria ‘a non-issue’, says Tom Calma

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    9:05PM January 9, 2023
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    Tom Calma, a key adviser to Labor on the Indigenous voice to parliament, has rejected Peter Dutton’s questioning over whether a member’s Aboriginality will meet a particular definition, saying there are clear eligibility criteria for the government to follow.

    Constitutional lawyer and Uluru Dialogue member Eddie Synot also said the structure of the voice would ensure only those ­Indigenous leaders with deep ties to their communities would be ­appointed to the advisory body.

    The push back against the Liberal Party’s attack over the lack of available detail on the voice came as opposition finance spokeswoman Jane Hume declared Labor was “ducking questions” about the mechanics of the referendum, due in the second half of the year. Senator Hume, also spokeswoman on matters of state, said Labor was “setting this referendum up to fail” by intentionally keeping voters uninformed.
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    A day after the Opposition Leader laid out 15 questions about the voice to Anthony Albanese, Senator Hume said the government could not say why it had ­decided not to provide official ­information on the referendum in a pamphlet. She said there were no ­answers to why Labor had chosen not to create an official Yes and No campaign, which “would allow for effective regulation of donations and foreign influence”.

    “The AEC say that they estimate that 40 per cent of people use their household guide that they mail out at each election and each referendum as their primary source of information about the electoral process. Knowing that, how can the government say the Yes/No pamphlet is no longer necessary?” Senator Hume said.

    In Mr Dutton’s letter to the Prime Minister, he asked who would be eligible to serve on the body and if the government would “clarify the definition of Aboriginality to determine who can serve”.

    Professor Calma, who with ­Indigenous leader Marcia Langton co-wrote the final voice co-­design process report to the Morrison government, said Mr Dutton’s question was a “non-issue” because it was already ­defined by the federal government and addressed in its 270-page document.

    The Calma-Langton report proposes a two-step eligibility process, where a person appointed to local and regional voices must be: “An Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander person; recognised/accepted by community as an ­Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait ­Islander person; a resident of the region where they are seeking nomination; and a ‘fit and proper’ person.”

    Nationals Senator David Littleproud says the Indigenous Voice to Parliament is another “representative body”… that will add another “layer of bureaucracy”. “This should be about the bureaucracy and the machinery of government working better,” Mr Littleproud told Sky News host James Morrow. “There are already 227 voices to the Australian More

    Members of the local and ­regional voices in each state would then nominate to be appointed to the national voice a man and woman who would have to meet a second eligibility criteria.

    “There are no doubt some people who want to get a great deal of detail. For what reason I’m not ­really sure,” said Professor Calma, a member of the government’s First Nations referendum working group.

    “They vote on the principle of giving Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people a voice and leave it to the parliament, the elected body, to determine the composition and the funding. What the previous government and current government have said is the final report of the co-design group will form the basis of the voice going forward. All the answers are there.”

    Mr Synot said the “tripartite test” from the Mabo decision – which requires the demonstration of biological descent together with mutual recognition of the person’s membership of the Indigenous people and those people’s elders – had found acceptance in the courts.

    Sky News host James Morrow says Opposition Leader Peter Dutton has gone and made a reasonable point… about the Voice to Parliament. “Mainly, we simply don’t know enough about this thing, and that by rushing ahead, the PM has risked damaging reconciliation efforts and creating what Mr Dutton called More

    The Indigenous community took the matter of determining Aboriginality seriously, he said, and was invested in dealing with those who tried to game the system.

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  64. Haven’t seen Condy’s Crystals in years. As a boy scout had 2 uses, clean wounds or mixed with sugar could start a fire.

    Great stuff

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  65. I can’t link to the video but it’s really good, from The Daily Telegraph. Kol hakavod to the man who confronted this group.

    ‘Show some respect’: Abrupt end to ‘unauthorised’ Catholic Church photo shoot as man chases group away

    A man gave a “disrespectful” group — some dressed up as nuns — their marching orders from Sydney’s St Mary’s Cathedral after making them delete pictures from “unauthorised” photo shoot.

    An unknown man is being applauded for chasing a “disrespectful” group from the grounds of St Mary’s Cathedral in Sydney’s CBD after he caught them embarking on an unauthorised photo shoot on the grounds of the church.

    The video, which was posted by Twitter user Charlie Bakhos on Monday, showed a group, some dressed as nuns, being chased off the grounds of St Mary’s Cathedral in the Sydney CBD and forced to delete the photos from their shoot.

    In the video, a man is heard confronting the individuals who were dressed in a variety of costumes and asks if they have permission to film.

    “This is a cathedral, show some respect, get out of here,” the man says in the video.

    He also demanded that the group delete the photos they had taken with their camera.

    Social media users applauded the man’s calm actions, with many saying “need more people like him” and “he did handle that well.”

    A spokesman for the Church said that this was an increasingly common experience.

    “St Mary’s Cathedral is a sacred space for the Catholic Church in Australia and many others who come to seek peace and solace within its walls. The Cathedral has been visited by three popes, three Catholic saints, and is a place of welcome for all, especially the poor, disadvantaged and disenfranchised.

    “The unfortunate reality, however, is that as Australia’s Mother Church, it is regularly a magnet for malicious acts of vandalism, property damage and offensive behaviour.”

    “We accept that not everyone shares our beliefs, but all people of religious faith should be able to expect that their places of worship will be respected, or at least not be treated with mockery and subjected to acts of indecency,” he said.

    I should add, from watching the video, that one of the “nuns”, was half naked and had his/her bum showing.

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  66. Ed Casesays:
    January 9, 2023 at 8:46 pm
    If there are cases of death that strongly support the wicked vaccine narrative they should stand on their own

    What?
    According to the Medical experts, every death was caused by coinciditis, Climate Change, Commotio Cornholio, you name it, they’ve got an explanation that defies credulity.
    Bringing in dubious proofs makes all the argument dubious.
    Are you a Doctor?
    No.
    So pull your head in, you’ve got no idea.

    Richard Cranium

    Are you a doctor? If not, pull your (dick) head in, you’ve got no idea.

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  67. I am actually not surprised. This is from Crikey by way of Craig Kelly Twitter. The people who dont want McCullough here will be the TGA and the pro jab medical experts !

    “Campaigners are calling on Immigration Minister Andrew Giles to deny a visa to influential anti-vaccine activist and COVID-19 misinformation spreader Peter McCullough.

    The US-based former cardiologist is set to tour Australia next month, along with United Australia Party national director Craig Kelly and Senator Ralph Babet, as part of speaking events organised by Clive Palmer’s political party”.

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  68. Summernats update – Steve Trickler linked the winning burnout at Adam’s:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_lEbzYEZyA

    How he does that without being able to see a thing is a mystery. It’s an extreme sport with a lot of technology thrown in.

    Anyway, apart from a story about the four arrests out of tens of thousands of punters, TheirABC has disdainfully ignored the whole event.

    Also, usually everyone puffs up the revenue from events like this. TheirABC said $35 million. Bullshit.

    The guy in the room next door, who has been coming for years, told me he budgets $2.5k for the event. He is not cheapskating, but not splurging. He said that a hamburger and a drink there costs at least $20.

    Latest attendance figures are 125,000. That may include multiples, but most people go for the whole event.

    So, to be sure that they were lying because they hate Summernats, I did a super conservative sum. I assumed that everyone there spent less than him – 2 grand.

    Do it for yourself. It just shows how much they hate Summernats, and why the Net Zero crowd are coughing in the magnificent smoke of Jake Myers. 🙂

    Money talks. Donors love Summernats.

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  69. Off to sleep.

    Night all!

    (No need to reply – I won’t see it until I wake up tomorrow.)

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  70. Cassie of Sydney says: January 9, 2023 at 9:34 pm
    I can’t link to the video but it’s really good, from The Daily Telegraph. Kol hakavod to the man who confronted this group.

    ‘Show some respect’: Abrupt end to ‘unauthorised’ Catholic Church photo shoot as man chases group away
    A man gave a “disrespectful” group — some dressed up as nuns — their marching orders from Sydney’s St Mary’s Cathedral after making them delete pictures from “unauthorised” photo shoot.

    I should add, from watching the video, that one of the “nuns”, was half naked and had his/her bum showing.

    When they pull the same stunt at a mosque, with burkas instead of nun’s habits (likewise with ass showing) it will make a handy comparison, to read about how bystanders handled it.
    …. and how the authorities & newsmedia handle it.

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  71. The incomparable None, queen of garbled voice-to-text and hater of EmRat*

    LOL, KD, I’d forgotten about that sadly not missed contributor.

    Cut snakes, come on down! 🙂

    *Trigger warning – scantily clad womanage

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  72. I should add, from watching the video, that one of the “nuns”, was half naked and had his/her bum showing.

    Bet the gutless morons won’t do that at a mosque, dressed as mo.

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  73. ZKTA

    Both Calma & Synot have from what I can see no real world experience outside of academia or government. Calma despite being born in 1953 has no detail with his pre 1995 CV, has no research published from what I have searched which may not mean much but I have questions about how much we should listen to him. Synot is upfront with his CV being totally academic.

    Hope the Uluru statement didn’t pay much for their services…

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  74. Campaigners are calling on Immigration Minister Andrew Giles to deny a visa to influential anti-vaccine activist and COVID-19 misinformation spreader Peter McCullough.

    Unfortunately need to subscribe to the site to get the whole story.
    It’s a fairly descriptive title to give a cardiologist no less.
    I wonder who the campaigners are?

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  75. Cassie, I’ve been thinking about your interaction where you blasted a fellow guest. I notice that a lot of people applauded it.

    I’m not so sure. Will you become ‘mad Cassie’ in the family lore?

    While blasting people is satisfying personally, in most human relations it is best not to do so.

    I wouldn’t like to be at a dinner party where you were blasting away. Might singe the croutons.

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  76. Anyway, “Sliante” to all you mob.

    Mme Zulu has announced she’s regained the weight she lost during the chemo and radiation treatment, so that’s a great step forward – she’s also pleasantly surprised on how much she’s saved by giving up smoking….

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  77. Cassie:

    “We accept that not everyone shares our beliefs, but all people of religious faith should be able to expect that their places of worship will be respected, or at least not be treated with mockery and subjected to acts of indecency,” he said.

    Arrest them all for trespassing and offload them after Friday Prayers in the front of the Surrey Hills Mosque.

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  78. “While blasting people is satisfying personally, in most human relations it is best not to do so.”

    Thanks for your advice Johanna. Oh and I’ll be more than happy to remind you of your words next time you blast someone here, because after all you have quite a history here at ‘blasting’.

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  79. Eddie Synot used to go to school here. Wouldn’t have thought future lawyer type but there you go.

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  80. 132andBush says: January 9, 2023 at 10:04 pm
    Snap, Sal.

    I concede the ground to you however;
    You were far more succinct.

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  81. Question for Calli, Johanna or any other Cat gardener.

    I was shown a small orchard the other day of approx 1ha in area. Established circa 1890-1900. It’s the original house and buildings on the farm I harvest at near Horsham.

    Many large lemon, orange, fig, pear and apple trees all bearing fruit in abundance even though they are not cared for to any great degree.

    Original buildings are all there in various states of decay. An amazing time capsule.

    Question is how rare would this be wrt the varieties of trees. The oranges are only 2/3 what you get these days but incredibly sweet and the lemons are huge with a very deep rind.

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  82. While blasting people is satisfying personally, in most human relations it is best not to do so.

    Screw it, I’m over trying to be “nice” with most of these imbeciles.
    Reality will hit them harder (eventually) than I ever will with mere words and scorn.

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  83. “Mme Zulu has announced she’s regained the weight she lost during the chemo and radiation treatment, so that’s a great step forward – she’s also pleasantly surprised on how much she’s saved by giving up smoking….”

    Nice to hear Zulu.

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  84. Rosie,
    I have absolutely no problem if you want to continue getting jabs to travel or for whatever reason.
    However if you think the programme is over for those who have had enough you are sadly mistaken. The publicity campaign for next booster push is being planned according to Federal Health Minister. I doubt they will be telling us the booster was created 2 years ago and that TGA extended the shelf life of some batches by six months beyond recommended expiry date.

    Sadly the huge amount of adverse signals from all around the world are not having impact on our Health authorities or the so called experts. The obvious question is why ?

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  85. The people desperate to attribute any death whatsoever, at any age, to any vax intake are every bit as duplicitous as those who tried to attribute suicides and car accident deaths to Covid two years ago.

    Almost as bad as those who staunchly refuse to hear any bad news about the shit they’ve already had pumped into their arm!

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  86. Sadly the huge amount of adverse signals from all around the world are not having impact on our Health authorities or the so called experts. The obvious question is why ?

    “They” are certainly not going to tell us. One thing is certain though, they don’t give a shit about us.

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  87. Sadly the huge amount of adverse signals from all around the world are not having impact on our Health authorities or the so called experts. The obvious question is why ?

    Also interesting is that is now clear that the military were involved in this shit show from the absolute outset.

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  88. Campaigners are calling on Immigration Minister Andrew Giles to deny a visa to influential anti-vaccine activist and COVID-19 misinformation spreader Peter McCullough.

    The only way the f’cking turds in the TGA and Government can win this debate is by not having it.

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  89. Do you think Harry and Meghan should be stripped of their royal titles?

    As long as the Palace don’t send them to the colonies…

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  90. It is entirely up to individuals over 30 to get a 2nd booster, or not.
    In short, for most people the vaccine program is over.

    For some of us the vaccine program and its implications will never be over…..

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  91. they don’t give a shit about us

    pastoral care … but your standing is only marginally better than livestock

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  92. and in Gillard’s sham royal commission.

    The Royal Commission that investigated the Church, in an effort to embarrass one Tony Abbott, but didn’t investigate certain outback communities?

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  93. Sadly the huge amount of adverse signals from all around the world are not having impact on our Health authorities or the so called experts. The obvious question is why ?

    A few days ago I posted a quote from a paper Indolent had referenced that was about the relationship between mRNA and myocarditis. Pubmed has over 1500 citations(human restriction) for adverse events related to covid vaccines.

    Making ill-informed assertions destroys credibility.

  94. the broad implications of the admissions, by former German Chancellor Merkel and ex-President of France Hollande, that they never intended to fulfill the agreements they signed in Minsk. They were not just lying, she said — they were violating international law

    Some moral authority.

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  95. Question is how rare would this be wrt the varieties of trees. The oranges are only 2/3 what you get these days but incredibly sweet and the lemons are huge with a very deep rind.

    Bushie the two orange trees at the front of my joint are ancient. They haven’t had fruit for about 20 years. I’m trying to get mum interested in trying to see if she can get some seedlings going from them.

    (Comments on how to do this most welcome! I also have some apricot seeds from a very old tree that used to be near my factory.)

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  96. Think most of the citrus you buy are grafted onto whatever rootstock does well in local conditions. Out of my pay grade by several orders of magnitude.

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  97. Bush, have a dig for a local heritage gardening group. Many old salts can identify varieties by sight, and there’s DNA identification out there too.
    Wrick- how can you get seeds from a tree which doesn’t fruit??? If it’s ungrafted, which is a possibility if it’s old, try covering the root zone (same diameter as canopy) with a dark coarse sand, and watering it daily through summer- it should throw up suckers which can be cut off the parent radial root with a clean sharp spade, whwn the growing stem darkens from green to a rough grey-brown.

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  98. Wrick- how can you get seeds from a tree which doesn’t fruit???

    Missing detail, they had fruit for the first time in 20 years!

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  99. And Bushie that lemon sounds like a rough lemon or citron- ye olde rootstock for a lot of wussy cumquats and tangelos. Are the branches spiky?
    Or, the rind could be an expression of dryness and deficiency- throw some chook poo down and water it up. Chelated iron is a good guess from over here. Most citrus you can think of as a bigger tomato bush, over a longer period.

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  100. HB, you’re right about the rootstock- retail trees are the leftovers of commercial production, i know in WA at least it’s a hard task to dig up anything robust or tasty- the racks are full of quick growing and flavourless dwarfs.
    I daydream about getting my eye in and propagating a retirement business based on travelling the world and securing rare vines, heritage fruit trees and ornamentals…

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  101. 132and Bush:

    Screw it, I’m over trying to be “nice” with most of these imbeciles.
    Reality will hit them harder (eventually) than I ever will with mere words and scorn.

    Ditto.
    One of the reasons I changed my nom de blog to my real name was because I got sick of pulling my punches on people who deserved a good verbal smack in the mouth.
    Being ‘nice’ is what got us to this point.
    Being ‘nice’ has dealt us the absurd position of having to live up to a standard while the Left behave like thugs, who then decry the loss of civility in politics.
    The Left has worked hard to get us annoyed, and so ‘tough titties’ to civility.

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  102. “As for the hysterical nonsense, will be ramped to eleventy.”

    Of course – that’s standard procedure. Remember “Global Warming”? Old fashioned term you know – it’s “Climate Change” now. Oh, wait – that’s old now too, now it’s “Climate Extremes” or whatever.

    Flim-flamery and co once said “Drought is the new normal”, saying essentially that our dams are useless and will go dry. It wasn’t that long after he said that, that Sydney’s Warragamba over-flowed and Brisbane was flooded too. And if you get satellite photos of NSW from 2018 and 2022, you can literally see the flood waters, and the significant greening of the landscape – from space!

    If you were to download 4 datasets from BoM and graph them with a common timeline (temperature, precipitation, ENSO index and IOD index), you would note – with a simple eyeball and data comparison, no stats required – that in Australia:
    * we are a land of extremes, and average values tell you not very much;
    * temperature is a lagging indicator of precipitation;
    * we normally have either drought or flood, and droughts are normally broken by floods;
    * the longer the drought, the bigger the flood that breaks it;
    * both ENSO and IOD are significant indicators of precipitation;
    * both ENSO and IOD tend to be cyclic, but with different periods;

    What we see now is comparable to what you can see in the historical record when ENSO and IOD were similar. Shhh! Don’t tell people, they’ll stop believing “The Science” – even though “science” is a process, and “the science” is therefore non-existent – there is a “current majority view of experts in the field”, that’s it. And that is subject to change no matter how “settled” it may appear to be.

    “Science is the belief in the fallibility of experts” – indeed Mr Feynman, you are most certainly correct in that assessment, well said, Sir!

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  103. Hey, Bowen and Albo are doing a great job of keeping power prices down. Just got notification from my supplier that my usage charges are only going up by 10% in February.
    Woohoo!
    Mind you, I wouldn’t want to be running a business that’s dependent on the stuff.

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