Open Thread – Weekend 28 Jan 2023


Sailboat at Le Petit-Gennevilliers, Claude Monet, 1874


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Ed Case
Ed Case
January 29, 2023 11:41 am

This Milligan Show might be alright.

If I understand correctly, the premise is that the New South Wales Liberal Party has been taken over by the type of Roman Catholics that woulda felt at home in Franco’s Spain of the 1940s?
Popcorn?

Makka
Makka
January 29, 2023 11:41 am

Even the Rand Corp are now arguing for a settlement in Ukr. Given the horrendous risks, entirely sensible.

Discussion of the Russia-Ukraine war in Washington is increasingly dominated by the question of how it might end. To inform this discussion, this Perspective identifies ways in which the war could evolve and how alternative trajectories would affect U.S. interests. The authors argue that, in addition to minimizing the risks of major escalation, U.S. interests would be best served by avoiding a protracted conflict. The costs and risks of a long war in Ukraine are significant and outweigh the possible benefits of such a trajectory for the United States. Although Washington cannot by itself determine the war’s duration, it can take steps that make an eventual negotiated end to the conflict more likely.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PEA2510-1.html

Arky
January 29, 2023 11:41 am

That video of the police killing in USA.
Notice that these guys seem to have been very well rehearsed in covering up the body cams during an incident and disguising the fact that they are holding and beating the individual by drowning out the verbal part of the interaction with numerous cries of “Stop resisting”!
It takes considerable coordination to land numerous blows on someone but make sure none of it is caught on the cams.
The motive seems to have been that he made one of the poor porkers run 50 metres. After which porky pig was so out of breath he was still panting and blowing minutes later.
I heard one bird on a network opine that these things wouldn’t happen if all coppers were female. “Female officers don’t police that way”. Oh really? Imagine the carnage out there if shit scared, power hungry females were daily trying to keep the peace in these inner cities.

bons
bons
January 29, 2023 11:45 am

Does anyone recall a creature from a few years ago who styled himself ‘youallwanttobeme’.
I think that I may have met him unfortunately.
I was in Canberra for Jim’s funeral. The day after was a get together at the Kingo Pub.
One of Jim’s son’s airline mates was there with his young brother who had just graduated with some meaningless degree from ANU, about which he wouldn’t shut up.
What twigged me was his ranting about his baiting of boomers and how they are all jealous and terrified of the young geniuses who are taking over the world.
I edged him into telling us about how he raids conservative sites to “piss off the old fossil fascists”. He mayhap made that up to show off.
Given that 80% of the group were Boomers who were displaying various degrees of agitation, his big brother dragged him out. He subsequently returned and apologized claiming that his brother was a two pint screamer.
Perhaps.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 29, 2023 11:46 am

I heard one bird on a network opine that these things wouldn’t happen if all coppers were female. “Female officers don’t police that way”.
She woulda been referring to Black Female officers, since the 5 killers were Black.
Apart from the fraught issue of Black female officers interacting with White women, I tend to agree.

Razey
Razey
January 29, 2023 11:47 am

Do they still have the people at the entrances and exits of large train stations etc frenetically handing out small packets of tissues?

Saw a few times. It’s just a form of advertising. I think I managed to snaffle a free pack of tissues this time. Ha.

Zipster
Zipster
January 29, 2023 11:49 am

some serious shit going down in iran

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 29, 2023 11:50 am

Vegetarians are a bit too bland for my taste. Vegans are even worse.

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 11:50 am

Mykhailo Zabrodsky, a lawmaker and former commander of Ukraine’s air-assault forces who is close to the war planning process, said Moscow has reverted back to a World War II practice of throwing waves of soldiers at the enemy’s defensive lines instead of safeguarding lives with probing attacks led by armored vehicles and other modern arms.

“They’ve gone back to using Stalin-era methods,” he said in an interview. He described the situation in Bakhmut as “difficult but stable” and said there are no plans for an imminent withdrawal.

Russia has a lot more soldiers than Ukraine, but the supply is not inexhaustible. It seems the quality of Russian officers is not high.

Zipster
Zipster
January 29, 2023 11:52 am

Explosions, Fires At Iran Military Site And Factories
Reports and videos from Iran speak of multiple explosions and a fire at an ammunition factory in the Iranian city of Esfahan shortly after midnight local time.

There are reports on social media of explosions and smoke in northwest of the capital Tehran. These reports cannot be confirmed at thsi time.

Also, a report by Fars new agency affiliated with the Revolutionary Guard speaks of a “horrible fire” at a factory near Tabriz. Some Twitter users say the factory is used by the IRGC.

After multiple reports by eyewitnesses after midnight, January 29, that an ammunition producing factory in Esfahan was hit by explosions and fire, Iran’s defense ministry announced that small drones attacked the complex, and called the attack “unsuccessful.” It claimed all the drones were shot down.

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 11:53 am

This Milligan Show might be alright.

If I understand correctly, the premise is that the New South Wales Liberal Party has been taken over by the type of Roman Catholics that woulda felt at home in Franco’s Spain of the 1940s?
Popcorn?

Four Corners these days is good for one thing: summarising original reportage done elsewhere. The usual reaction to one of their shows should be: “Oh der.”

Arky
January 29, 2023 11:53 am

Russia has a lot more soldiers than Ukraine, but the supply is not inexhaustible.

..
Given that they are purposely burning through prisoners, I think they see it as a win- double.

P
P
January 29, 2023 11:54 am

War of words erupts between Opus Dei schools and the ABC
SMH – Alexandra Smith and Lucy Carroll – January 28, 2023

NSW’s powerful education authority is investigating Sydney schools linked to Opus Dei amid a war of words between the ultra-conservative Catholic group and the public broadcaster.

A spokesperson for the NSW Education Standards Authority (NESA) told the Herald the agency was investigating the schools after allegations made by the ABC.

Pared confirmed NESA had contacted the group “to clarify how we address” concerns about the health and personal development curriculum.

Dallas McInerney, the chief executive officer of Catholic Schools NSW, said the four schools investigated by the ABC are “good local schools”.

“Any targeted media attention by the ABC risks collateral damage for the children who are current students and who are returning to school. They shouldn’t be caught up in a wider agenda by the ABC,” McInerney, a senior Liberal in the party’s right-wing faction, said.

“They are not insular schools. These are good schools, doing good work on behalf of their students and families.”

Razey
Razey
January 29, 2023 11:58 am

So, you’re going then?

As soon as SYA bags a few more times.

Robert Sewell
January 29, 2023 12:01 pm

Rabz:

Dreading how I’m going to feel in the morning. ?

It was always my opinion that the day after bouncing ones motorcycle down the road was worserer than the prang itself – mainly because you had the opportunity to stiffen up overnight. Always keep a slide of panadol at the bedside and some water. A couple during the night and a couple when you wake up in the morning. Good advice. Keeps you mobile.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 29, 2023 12:02 pm

Makka says:
January 29, 2023 at 11:41 am

Even the Rand Corp are now arguing for a settlement in Ukr. Given the horrendous risks, entirely sensible.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PEA2510-1.html

Had previously downlanded 32 page PDF

Possible Russian Use of Nuclear Weapons

These arguments ignore several issues that make Russian use of nuclear weapons both a plausible contingency that Washington needs to account for and a hugely important factor in determining the future trajectory of the conflict.

First,

there is evidence that the Kremlin perceives this war to be near existential. Ukraine has long been in a category of its own in Russian foreign policy priorities; even before the 2022 war, Russia was willing to devote significant resources and make major trade-offs to pursue its objectives in Ukraine.

For example, Moscow paid dearly for its 2014 annexation of Crimea and invasion of eastern Ukraine. Western sanctions cost an average of 2 percent in quarter-on-quarter decline in Russia’s gross domestic product between mid-2014 and mid-2015, an effect that compounded as the sanctions continued in subsequent years.

Putin’s decision to launch a full-scale invasion in February 2022, despite clear warnings from the United States and its allies that he would pay a much higher price than in 2014, shows that he is willing to go to even more-extreme lengths to pursue his objectives in Ukraine. The decision to mobilize 300,000 Russians in September 2022 arguably upended a domestic social order that Putin spent nearly 25 years
building, which also signals a high level of resolve.

That order was premised on avoiding the kinds of social instability that mobilization introduced, particularly for Putin’s core supporters. The decision to mobilize was postponed until it was past due from a military perspective to avoid these domestic political costs—and the perceived risks of potential unrest stemming from an ebbing of popular support for the regime. Putin’s willingness to accept these domestic costs and risks underscores the importance he attaches to Russian interests in Ukraine.

Second,

since Russia’s conventional capabilities have been decimated in Ukraine, Moscow’s nonnuclear esca-
latory options are limited. If Russia experiences further large-scale battlefield losses, desperation could set in among senior Kremlin decisionmakers. Once other conventional escalatory options have been exhausted, Moscow may resort to nuclear weapons, and specifically NSNW use, to prevent a catastrophic defeat.

Third,

Russian strategists have long highlighted the utility of NSNW for accomplishing operational and tactical
goals in the context of a conventional war that Moscow is losing. And Russia has capabilities to carry out these concepts: Its NSNW delivery systems include artillery, short-range ballistic missiles, and cruise missiles, all of which could be employed in Ukraine.

Russian strategists also envision preemptive employment of NSNW against civilian targets—cities, military-industrial centers, and government facilities—and against military ones, at least in the context
of a war with NATO. Moscow also could use NSNW for demonstration strikes, either in the atmosphere or targeted at population centers.

The military effectiveness of NSNW employment in Ukraine might be subject to debate, but it is a plausible contingency given what is known about Russian planning and capabilities.

Although Russian nuclear use in this war is plausible, we cannot determine precisely how likely such use is. What we can say is that the risk of nuclear use is much greater than in peacetime.

We can also say that nuclear use would be highly consequential for the United States.

In short, the Biden administration has ample reason to make the prevention of Russian use of nuclear weapons a paramount priority for the United States.

Arky
January 29, 2023 12:10 pm

In short, the Biden administration has ample reason to make the prevention of Russian use of nuclear weapons a paramount priority for the United States.

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We have lived with the threat of nukes for 70+ years.
MAD has worked.
We aren’t going to start giving in to nuclear blackmail now.
To do so would begin a cascade of back downs and concessions.
No US president has given in to nuclear blackmail, not even JFK during the Cuban missile crisis.
If the Soviets can’t hold their own in a conventional war, they shouldn’t f**kn start one.

mem
mem
January 29, 2023 12:10 pm

Not a good day for solar and wind power. Here in Victoria Brown coal is saving the day with an output of 93% of energy coming from brown coal generation at midday. South Australia the supposedly stand alone renewables state, is using 40% gas but still of necessity importing 213 of the 1074 mgw needed to meet current demand. Little wind and overcast. What happens when the coal is shut down? Figures are from AEMO dashboard https://aemo.com.au/en/energy-systems/electricity/national-electricity-market-nem/data-nem/data-dashboard-nem

Zipster
Zipster
January 29, 2023 12:15 pm

Britain calls for AUKUS expansion

Britain has called for an overseeing body similar to NATO to ensure security in the Indo-Pacific.

The chair of the UK’s defence select committee has suggested the AUKUS agreement, a trilateral agreement between Australia, the United Kingdom, and the US that would expand to include India and Japan

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 29, 2023 12:16 pm

I notice Tilley, or whatever his name is, was soliciting more government funding for the AO early on in the tournament. Can we deduce from Albanese’s & Chalmers’s presence that such will be forthcoming?

That is the sports administrator’s raison d’etre. I think Chairman Dan provides most of the cash.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
January 29, 2023 12:16 pm

Albo PM said his no 1 priority this term is the Voice.

As Roger says they won’t even tell us what it will cost. The referendum itself is hundreds of millions. How much will the Voice leaders and their office support etc.

I view the Voice as a permanent body that in times of a Coalition Govt will spend it’s time undermining the elected Govt on behalf of the left

I am not into killing kittens but happy to stop Albo getting his no 1 priority through.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 29, 2023 12:18 pm

LOL. Well, at least I’m not a shill for Jew haters.

And we know Cassie he vehemently defends pedophilia, drag queens reading to kids and the murder of babies.

Zipster
Zipster
January 29, 2023 12:18 pm
H B Bear
H B Bear
January 29, 2023 12:21 pm

Four Corners must be due for a win after live cattle (bill pending) and Pell(7-0). C’mon Louise and Ita, you can do it.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 29, 2023 12:27 pm

What’s the point of going through Obama’s documents.
If they’re in a designated SCIF, there’s nothing to see.
What should happen is the Congress should find out where all the SCIF’s are.
Then it’s open season on all doc’s that are not in SCIF’s.
Also, the timing a site became a SCIF needs to be released as well so it can be determined if they did it retrospectively.
Releasing SCIF sites isn’t a security issue because they already are meant to have it.

Makka
Makka
January 29, 2023 12:27 pm

No US president has given in to nuclear blackmail, not even JFK during the Cuban missile crisis.
If the Soviets can’t hold their own in a conventional war, they shouldn’t f**kn start one.

There are no Soviets since the ’90s.

And this conflict is ostensibly between Ukr and Russia. Ukr isn’t even a NATO country. Yet you moronically think that a nuclear war is a sensible risk because Biden wants to protect (ie enrich) his corrupt partners in Ukr and elsewhere at ALL costs (to others).

Quite a thought process there.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 29, 2023 12:30 pm

expand to include India and Japan

The Indian tanks all have a fatal weakness where they have cut a hole through the bottom.

Actually, I will indulge in a gripe about Indians – well, the taxi drivers in Australia: the aircon is always set too warm. After threading your way through a human obstacle course caught in the burning glare the sun from all directions in our gleaming glass walled cities – to get a taxi, sink into the seat and…start to suffocate. Outside was cooler – at least there was an occasional breeze. The stifling hot cramped boxes are unbearable.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 29, 2023 12:31 pm

Robert Sewell at 12:01 – pleased to say I have no real experience. Dropped 3 bikes, 2 instructors (my first road lesson and a 900 Bandit going for my bike bike licence that got me sacked as a student) and my own half way between somewhere and Broken Hill pulling in for fuel when my sense of speed was a bit distorted.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
January 29, 2023 12:33 pm

Driving 100 Miles in an EV Is Now More Expensive Than in an ICE

Deadhead miles and opportunity costs make electric vehicle ownership dramatically more expensive than just your average car powered by a gas engine.

No longer needing to buy gasoline is one of the most convincing selling points for potential electric vehicle customers. It’s easy to conclude that owning an EV and recharging at home is cheaper than using a car powered by an internal combustion engine. The conclusion is correct if a driver switches powertrains between luxury vehicles, like going from a Porsche Macan to an electric Porsche Taycan.

However, a recent report from the Anderson Economic Group (AEG) found that fueling costs from mid-priced ICE-powered vehicles are lower than similarly priced electric vehicles. Combustion drivers pay about $11.29 per 100 miles on the road. EV drivers who charge up at home spend about $11.60 per 100 miles.

The price difference is more dramatic for those who mainly recharge at stations. Frequent charging station users pay $14.40 per 100 miles.

There were several factors AEG used in determining that owning an electric vehicle was more expensive, like home charging equipment costs, road taxes and deadhead miles. ICE-powered car owners have gas purchases taxed to fund road construction and maintenance. While EV owners don’t pay a gas tax, some states have introduced an additional EV registration fee to compensate.

The massive increase in the report for charging station users versus home chargers is accounted for by the deadhead miles to reach stations and the opportunity cost of waiting for vehicles to charge at stations. The difference highlights the lackluster coverage for electric vehicle charging infrastructure across the United States.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 29, 2023 12:33 pm

Mother Lodesays:

January 29, 2023 at 12:30 pm

expand to include India and Japan

The Indian tanks all have a fatal weakness where they have cut a hole through the bottom.

Snort, cackle.
[Golf clap].
Well played, sir.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 29, 2023 12:34 pm

I’m streaming Louis CK’s live event from MSG.
18,000 NY punters and the warm up act is cracking jokes about Bill & Hillary Clinton fiddling kids & killing people.
And the crowd is loving it.
Quite the surprise for a NY crowd.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 29, 2023 12:35 pm

And now trans jokes.

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 29, 2023 12:36 pm

Not a good day for solar and wind power.

Wind 65 MW for all of QLD

lotocoti
lotocoti
January 29, 2023 12:36 pm

The Cyril Figgis school of suppressing fire.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 29, 2023 12:36 pm

No one wants an IED up their Jatz.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 29, 2023 12:37 pm

And now MLK rooting white women.
The wokerati will lose their minds.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 29, 2023 12:38 pm

Wind 65 MW for all of QLD

That should keep the light on.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 29, 2023 12:42 pm

Trans jokes are the especial domain of left comedians – groundless abuse that identifies as a joke.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 29, 2023 12:47 pm

H B Bearsays:

January 29, 2023 at 12:31 pm

Robert Sewell at 12:01 – pleased to say I have no real experience. Dropped 3 bikes ….

My limited experience of dropping a bike consisted of doing it repeatedly on a farm bike when I was about 15. We were fanging it around the paddock when someone lost it and slid sideways through a long muddy patch. Someone else decided we should see who could put on the most spectacular slide.
Middle of winter we all came home covered in mud and wet to the arse.
Most excellent fun.
But, yeah, if I did that these days I wouldn’t get out of bed for a week.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 29, 2023 12:49 pm

Def less fun on tarmac. More expensive too.

Plutonic Ice Volcano
Plutonic Ice Volcano
January 29, 2023 12:51 pm

The only sensible outcome now is a settlement – and enforceable settlement. One that restrains all parties – Russia, NATO and the US. The sooner the better.

How is that even possible? Consider from the Russian point of view. The admission was that their nihilistic goal of the West is to hurt Russians. The have practiced terrorism against ethnic Russians for 9 years. And the West violates all their agreements then admitted outright that these agreements were all lies from the start.

Therefore the outcome will be total victory by Russia and they will simply dictate the terms of their ceasefire. It will be a monologue and not a dialogue.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 29, 2023 12:54 pm

Any discussion of Japan’s looming demographic collapse?

I guess Japan would not want more OAPs being added to their system.

AT CUSTOMS AND IMMIGRATION
Officer: Sire, are you entering Japan for purpose of staying permanently?
Razey: Yes.
Officer: Are you bringing more than US$50,000 worth of gold into Japan?
Razey: Oh, is that a problem?
Officer: No, at your age we require it.

Just kidding, don’t know their rules. Their funding scheme for your retirement might be temporary loan of a hara-kiri sword.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 29, 2023 12:55 pm

H B Bearsays:
January 29, 2023 at 12:49 pm
Def less fun on tarmac. More expensive too.

Err, yes.
This was on very swampy ground with soft loamy soil.
Cold water up the trouser leg was the biggest threat.

Miltonf
Miltonf
January 29, 2023 12:56 pm

HB Bear saw your comment about the complete collapse of competence in Treasury. I believe John Stone had quite an intellectual power house there back in the day

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 29, 2023 12:56 pm

Squawk!!!

calli
calli
January 29, 2023 12:56 pm

Uh oh.

But a great screen name as usual.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 29, 2023 12:58 pm

Just had the traditional Irish lunch of smoked salmon bagel with cream cheese and red onion.
Very nice.

shatterzzz
January 29, 2023 1:00 pm

I view the Voice as a permanent body that in times of a Coalition Govt will spend it’s time undermining the elected Govt on behalf of the left

Ongoing funding for the VOICE will make the NDIS we-cares-for-you folk .. droooooool!
and the 251s $30billion a year already wasted seem like a good investment ……

Plutonic Ice Volcano
Plutonic Ice Volcano
January 29, 2023 1:04 pm

If I understand correctly, the premise is that the New South Wales Liberal Party has been taken over by the type of Roman Catholics that woulda felt at home in Franco’s Spain of the 1940s?
Popcorn?

Let’s hope so. It’s all about what is the least intolerable situation. Almost anything beats the dying days of mouse utopia.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 29, 2023 1:08 pm

I believe John Stone had quite an intellectual power house there back in the day

That was my understanding. I wonder if Judith Sloan is still around? I’m sure she would have a view (possibly not one that could be committed to writing).

Plutonic Ice Volcano
Plutonic Ice Volcano
January 29, 2023 1:09 pm

Consider how the very existence of ice volcanoes on Pluto directly refutes junk mainstream physics.

If we want to survive mouse utopia we have to have zero tolerance for all lies including physics and cosmology lies. The elite has imposed a culling of humans but it’s bad ideas that need to be culled, and with true malice. Not just dumb leftist ideas either.

Goanna
Goanna
January 29, 2023 1:11 pm

Translation: If you don’t vote ‘Yes’, these baby kittens go straight in the river.
Do you want to drown baby kittens?

More than fifty years ago my father came across an old nun who was the convent cook, trying to drown some kittens in a bucket.

He told the nun to hand him the sugar bag and he’d deal with it.
My mother complained that the kittens miaowed all the way down the main street. She was sure they could be heard from the boot.

There was a bridge over a river not far out of town. And that’s where the kittens plummeted.

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 1:12 pm

Rack off Graeme.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 29, 2023 1:13 pm

Plutonic Ice Volcanosays:
January 29, 2023 at 1:09 pm
Consider how the very existence of ice volcanoes on Pluto directly refutes junk mainstream physics.

Not that old chestnut again!
Pluto isn’t even a planet anymore.
Do try to keep up.
Terraforming Mars is where it’s at, man.

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 1:13 pm

MAGA: we need to purge Washington of the Deep State operatives, all these unelected eggheads who think they know what’s good for us

Also MAGA: listen to the RAND Corporation, they have the right idea

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 29, 2023 1:15 pm

I view the Voice as a permanent body that in times of a Coalition Govt will spend it’s time undermining the elected Govt on behalf of the left

I view the Voice as being the first step in the “Voice…Truth telling…Treaty ” agenda….next comes a whole load of “stories my Nanna ” about massive slaughter, which whitefella will be expected to swallow without question…

Zipster
Zipster
January 29, 2023 1:16 pm

Therefore the outcome will be total victory by Russia and they will simply dictate the terms of their ceasefire. It will be a monologue and not a dialogue.

the problem will come if Russia looks like it is going to lose… guaranteed Putin will issue some nuclear red lines

Chris
Chris
January 29, 2023 1:17 pm

Rack off Graeme.

Uptick for monty.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
January 29, 2023 1:19 pm

UKR versus RUS. Despot versus Despot. And it is the ordinary people who suffer.

Plutonic Ice Volcano
Plutonic Ice Volcano
January 29, 2023 1:19 pm

Okay you are the fellow NASA has been looking for all this time. You are the one who can integrate Plutonic ice volcanoes with mainstream physics.

Take it away Sancho. But while he is at it we have to understand that no irrationality is okay any more. It’s not funny any more and we cannot survive with it.

cohenite
January 29, 2023 1:21 pm

Alan Moran’s latest at the Spec:

https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/01/chalming-no-one-labor-romances-communism/

My brilliant comment:

It’s hard to speculate how Australia is going to react when the primary symptom of the communist/green policies of this government manifests: that is electricity shortages and very quickly, food shortages. Overseas examples of nations which are further down the track with this green madness give mixed results: in Sri Lanka the government was overthrown, in Netherlands massive protests are coinciding with legal action. In Europe, UK and California governments are scrambling to deal with failed green policies while being propped up by either other US states or European nations with better supplies of power.

Australia is isolated with no neighbouring nations to provide back-up power. The shut down of Liddell in April is a marking point. Liddell supplies about 10% of NSW’s electricity. Matt Kean is scrambling to make sure the new gas plant at Kurri is built by then but another problem has emerged, which is gas supply. Australia has 100s of years of gas and coal supply but we export most of this while not developing new resources. So either exports will have to be curtailed or new developments undertaken; which will take time and threaten sovereign reliability and therein trade in the future. Anyway China is not going to relinquish their gas and coal imports just so we can keep the lights on.

The other NSW gas plants at Colongra, Tallawara and Uranquinty could certainly take up Liddell’s slack if there were gas supplies. These large gas plants were built under the direction of Bernie O’Riordan to gold plate NSW’s power supplies and were meant to be backups. These and the new Kurri plant will match Liddell’s closure; if they have gas supplies.

But in 2025, thanks to every gutless politician in Australia and Mike Cannon-Brookes, Eraring will close. That’s it. Eraring is Australia’s biggest and best power plant: 30% of NSW’s electricity. Nothing will replace that and rationing will be inevitable.

As to the reaction of the populace. They have been subject to green propaganda for decades: without a conservative alternative putting forward a pro fossil and nuclear plan they have had to swallow the monstrous lie of renewables. If the lights go out the lying alp and green filth will argue it’s because we don’t have enough renewables so a full realisation by the sheeple may be some time off. But realistically all they can do is boot the alp/greens/Teals out at an election and replace them with gutless LNPs. I don’t see mass riots and protests. That prerogative seems to be reserved for the Voice and end of the world climate alarmists.

Stock up on candles.

Dean Mackin is also on 2SM; ring up and support him!

Chris
Chris
January 29, 2023 1:22 pm

Also MAGA: listen to the RAND Corporation, they have the right idea

Really? I must have not read the terms and conditions careful when I signed up for this red neck.

Robert Sewell
January 29, 2023 1:23 pm

Dot:

I’m sorry why aren’t people being put in gaol for this behaviour?
I don’t care how racist people think I am or how many people have to go to gaol.

Yes, I’m trying to figure that one out too, Dot. Maybe ‘The Voice’ will fix things up.
I’m also curious to know if the legislation that will inevitably follow a failed referendum, will have a ‘fail criteria’ added to it.
Unfortunately this is the closest I can get to the episode.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 29, 2023 1:25 pm

Plutonic.
You are not factoring in the relative temperature and density of the surrounding planetary mass, you doofus.

Plutonic Ice Volcano
Plutonic Ice Volcano
January 29, 2023 1:28 pm

the problem will come if Russia looks like it is going to lose… guaranteed Putin will issue some nuclear red lines

Try and think of a scenario where that is even possible? The West going to close down government departments with wartime ruthlessness to get fiscal topside? No.

The West going to socialise factories to make two B2 spirit stealth bombers a month and then slowly bomb away Russian armament factories? No. Such actions are completely inconceivable to Western regime leadership who will not even consider a wartime end to vaccine genocide.

The West can win technically sure. But given what it would take to win, that’s not happening. So Russia will win and the reality is the reversal of what you are saying. It’s whether the terrorist reprobates that control the West go nuclear. That is the question.

Plutonic Ice Volcano
Plutonic Ice Volcano
January 29, 2023 1:30 pm

Plutonic.
You are not factoring in the relative temperature and density of the surrounding planetary mass, you doofus.

Yes I am. Keep going. Your integration effort is not complete. Remember you are the guy that NASA is waiting for.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 29, 2023 1:34 pm

Plutonic.
Have you even read the Smithsonian Planetary Geology Study Group’s papers on the subject?

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 1:36 pm

Bit hard to figure out what is going on in Iran at the moment, but it sounds like this is Israel using that synagogue attack as a pretext to launch a raid they were going to do anyway. The target seems to be drone factories and associated defence installations, so as to neuter Iran supplying weapons to Russia.

Don’t worry, it won’t endanger Kushner’s $2 billion slush fund. Might be a spike in the price of oil on Monday though.

Makka
Makka
January 29, 2023 1:43 pm

Head of NATO Military Committee Admiral Rob Bauer: NATO Is Ready for a Direct Confrontation with Russia (VIDEO)

We have been told incessantly NATO is ready for decades. So why the posing on this now?

Zipster
Zipster
January 29, 2023 1:47 pm

Pfizer issue a press statement
Dr. John Campbell

Robert Sewell
January 29, 2023 1:48 pm

Areff:

If I know then the cops must know too. Interesting to see how VicPlod responds.

They will protect ER from the crowd while they deface/destroy the statue.

Chris
Chris
January 29, 2023 1:48 pm

We have been told incessantly NATO is ready for decades. So why the posing on this now?

We must have been reading very different sources for the last 30 years!

Razey
Razey
January 29, 2023 1:48 pm

end of the world climate alarmists

Even Jehova Witnesses seem reasonable compared to those lunatics.

cohenite
January 29, 2023 1:50 pm

but it sounds like this is Israel using that synagogue attack as a pretext to launch a raid they were going to do anyway

Dickless and anti-semitic.

duncanm
duncanm
January 29, 2023 1:54 pm

Promotional material for the episode, titled “Purity: An education in Opus Dei” and hosted by ABC journalist Louise Milligan

when is someone going to take the ABC (and LM in particular) to task for interfering in the application of justice, and now the election process?

Zipster
Zipster
January 29, 2023 2:07 pm

More NATO countries are announcing the shipment of tanks to Ukraine. In response on Russian state TV they are threatening to give nuclear weapons to North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, and Iran so they might strike Israel or other NATO countries themselves.

Makka
Makka
January 29, 2023 2:11 pm

Source Zip?

Razey
Razey
January 29, 2023 2:12 pm

More NATO countries are announcing the shipment of tanks to Ukraine. In response on Russian state TV they are threatening to give nuclear weapons to North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, and Iran so they might strike Israel or other NATO countries themselves.

Genius move. The decadent West cannot be allowed to win.

Cassie of Sydney
January 29, 2023 2:13 pm

“Bit hard to figure out what is going on in Iran at the moment, but it sounds like this is Israel using that synagogue attack as a pretext to launch a raid they were going to do anyway. The target seems to be drone factories and associated defence installations, so as to neuter Iran supplying weapons to Russia.

Don’t worry, it won’t endanger Kushner’s $2 billion slush fund. Might be a spike in the price of oil on Monday though.”

I note the writer of the above words, words Goebbels himself would be proud of, told “Plutonic Ice Volcano” aka Bird to…”rack off”.

I think the writer of the above words needs to “rack off” too.

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 2:13 pm

cohenite, you are so dumb you don’t even realise I was praising Israel.

P
P
January 29, 2023 2:16 pm

duncanm says:
January 29, 2023 at 1:54 pm

Promotional material for the episode, titled “Purity: An education in Opus Dei” and hosted by ABC journalist Louise Milligan

when is someone going to take the ABC (and LM in particular) to task for interfering in the application of justice, and now the election process?

ABC statement on Louise Milligan
Posted 8th November 2022

Louise Milligan is one of Australia’s most experienced and awarded journalists and her work has added enormously to the public good of this nation. The ABC’s journalists are held to the highest standards and subjected to the closest scrutiny of any in this country.
The ABC feels it’s necessary to put this information on the record as it’s so often overlooked in the commentary and reporting on Ms Milligan.

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 2:19 pm

More NATO countries are announcing the shipment of tanks to Ukraine. In response on Russian state TV they are threatening to give nuclear weapons to North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, and Iran so they might strike Israel or other NATO countries themselves.

Things certainly seem to be escalating. Last week it was NATO promising to send tanks, this week many of the same countries are talking about also sending fighter aircraft.

China might seem to be the winner in all of this, but I’d reckon they wouldn’t be happy with things getting more chaotic. Bad for business.

cohenite
January 29, 2023 2:20 pm

cohenite, you are so dumb you don’t even realise I was praising Israel.

You’re so dumb you don’t realise you weren’t.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 29, 2023 2:20 pm

What should we do with Australia’s huge stockpile of soon-to-expire RATs?

(Headline in ABC News app)

Lolllllllllll it’s such a head-scratcher! And who could have seen this coming??

Western Australia bought the most on a per-person basis with its 110 million tests [41 per capita]…[d]espite giving away the most per person – 26 each – WA still has the largest amount left in its stockpile on a per capita basis.

37.5% of the 0riginal order is still in storage. I wonder how many more are gathering dust on people’s shelves at home. We have well over 100 as the wife’s work and the kids’ school gave a heap of them away last year. After all:

The state government said around 132,000 tests were given away in October, 1.3 million in November, and 3.2 million in December – as WA prepared for what was expected to be a Christmas-induced COVID wave.

They hoped for a Covid wave – that’s why they gave out so many tests; the more people test, the more positives (and false positives) are discovered – but no one is testing anymore.

It’s really interesting how many people now say they don’t test anymore. When your kid has what could potentially be Covid symptoms (or could just be the common cold or whatever), I’ve found it’s now very much a don’t ask, don’t tell kind of situation.

Anyway, no doubt all of the RATs the state handed out are nearing the end of their shelf lives, too. But don’t worry, I’m sure this mountain of useless garbage will go to good homes:

The state government said it had already donated 10,000 tests to Nauru and 5,000 to Indonesia.

Well, it’s a start…

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 29, 2023 2:24 pm

Putin’s view of Russian national interests involves annexation of sovereign lands of most of its neighbours

m0nty has said things like this on many occasions. I always ask him for evidence that Putin holds the view m0nts attributes to him. m0nts has never been able to provide any. I don’t suppose this occasion will be any different.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 29, 2023 2:26 pm

Say what you will about him, but courtesy of Mr G.Bird I have now discovered the definition of the analogy he was referring to:

The turning point in this mouse utopia, Calhoun observed, occurred on Day 315 when the first signs appeared of a breakdown in social norms and structure. Aberrations included the following: females abandoning their young; males no longer defending their territory; and both sexes becoming more violent and aggressive. Deviant behavior, sexual and social, mounted with each passing day. The last thousand mice to be born tended to avoid stressful activity and focused their attention increasingly on themselves.

The notional day 315 will be spread over several years, surpassed by different regions and socio-economic groups at different times. Strong signs some of Australia has passed day 315 of the M.U.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 29, 2023 2:26 pm

Things certainly seem to be escalating. Last week it was NATO promising to send tanks, this week many of the same countries are talking about also sending fighter aircraft.

China might seem to be the winner in all of this, but I’d reckon they wouldn’t be happy with things getting more chaotic

Field marshal m0nts is having a spin at the game of geopolitics now? Fascinating insights.

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 2:28 pm

You’re so dumb you don’t realise you weren’t.

Haha, you have devolved to the BJ level of “I know you are but what am I”. Dumber than a chatbot.

Cassie of Sydney
January 29, 2023 2:32 pm

“dover0beachsays:
January 29, 2023 at 12:14 pm
Leo Kearse – comedian – come to my shows!
@LeoKearse
·
12h
These recruitment ads for ISIS are getting pretty persuasive

Stomach churning.”

Yep, I just watched it, it wasn’t funny, it wasn’t risque, it wasn’t clever, it was utterly obscene. Perhaps this is the inevitable end result of liberalism.

No society, no culture, that permits and tolerates such obscenity will survive or deserves to survive, and this is why the West is dying, and it’s not even dying slowly any more, it’s crumbling before our eyes. I cannot and will not support a perverted West that insists we must tolerate such obscenity and filth in the name of equality, diversity and inclusivity.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 29, 2023 2:33 pm

The target seems to be drone factories and associated defence installations, so as to neuter Iran supplying weapons to Russia.

He could get a gig on CNN. Truly top shelf analysis.

I’m sure you thought it sounded clever when you wrote it, but it’s just dopey, m0nts.

Why on earth do you think Israel would want to antagonise Russia?

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 2:36 pm

Why on earth do you think Israel would want to antagonise Russia?

The Americans would be egging them on, no doubt. Israel usually needs no excuse to bomb Iran.

It would certainly make things in Syria more tense, if that were possible.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 29, 2023 2:36 pm

How many ways could Russia make life massively more difficult for Israel in the ME. Big think time.

No, I can’t come up with anything! Of course Israel is bombing Iranian weapons factories to stop arms sales between Iran and Russia. Because, well, why not?

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 29, 2023 2:39 pm

Black Ball

Financial Minister Katy Gallagher said the government had met its pre-election commitment to reduce reliance on external labour and, in the October budget, $3 billion in savings had been banked to the budget bottom line.

In a previous life, I reduced departmental expenditure on consultants year on year by around 50%. The primary technique was redefining the difference between contractors and consultants.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 29, 2023 2:40 pm

Israel usually needs no excuse to bomb Iran.

When was the last time Israel bombed Iran, m0nts? Is it a once-a-week thing or do they do it more frequently than that?

cohenite
January 29, 2023 2:44 pm

Well then, go on dickless: support Israel.

Cassie of Sydney
January 29, 2023 2:45 pm

“Israel usually needs no excuse to bomb Iran.”

Hey dickhead, when did Israel bomb Iran?

Morsie
Morsie
January 29, 2023 2:46 pm

Anyone read Chalmers in the Oz.He is setting out to remake our society and capitalism in his preferred image.
Unbelievable but true.

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 29, 2023 2:48 pm

It happens all the time, Cassie! Daily, I think. Saudi Arabia’s totally cool with the Israelis using their airspace to bomb Iran, too.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 29, 2023 2:55 pm

m0ntysays:
January 29, 2023 at 10:12 am
Zelenskyy is a puppet, and Washington pulls the strings. The war would end the minute that Biden picks up the phone, tells Zelenskyy the game is over, and that it’s time for peace.

To achieve American Greatness, one must chant Russian propaganda.

What a joke of a site that is.

The DNC/MSM talking points are particularly pathetic today>

Nothing yet on the Twatter files latest drop? Might take a while to imagine something up?

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 29, 2023 2:56 pm

HB Bear hibernates:
… wonder if Judith Sloan is still around? I’m sure she would have a view (possibly not one that could be committed to writing).

Judith Sloan has a column in Tuesday’s The Australian [p 11]
writing about Chalmers and the Wellbeing Index.

It turns out that Treasury has

incorporated a Wellbeing framework into it’s deliberations for years

It was entitled the Treasury statement of the Wellbeing Of The Australian People [referred to as TWOTAP].

Oh come on
Oh come on
January 29, 2023 2:57 pm

You really don’t have the foggiest idea what you’re talking about, do ya m0nts.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 29, 2023 2:57 pm

m0ntysays:
January 29, 2023 at 10:17 am
2014: Crimea is not worth a nuclear war
2023: The Donbas is not worth a nuclear war
2025: Kyiv is not worth a nuclear war
2026: Poland is not worth a nuclear war

Yeah I dunno, I reckon maybe you need to make a stand at some point.

When will you enlist?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 29, 2023 3:06 pm

Anyone read Chalmers in the Oz.He is setting out to remake our society and capitalism in his preferred image.

I’m betting on death duties, and a wealth tax, in the interests of “fairness.”

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 29, 2023 3:13 pm

when is someone going to take the ABC (and LM in particular) to task for interfering in the application of justice, and now the election process?

You mean like the Minister for Communications or the Attorney General? I’m not holding my breath.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 29, 2023 3:19 pm

Good pick up Groogs. I had seen that but thanks anyway.

mem
mem
January 29, 2023 3:19 pm

Cohenite
Thanks for posting Alan Moran’s article. By the way I found it in the comments section then when I looked again your comment had disappeared. Maybe edited out? Can’t see why though.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 29, 2023 3:24 pm

I’m betting on death duties, and a wealth tax, in the interests of “fairness.”

Not sure how much courage the rest of the Liars in Cabinet will have. Peanut Head might even speak up on behalf of dividend imputation after his last electoral experience. Luigi the Unbelievable needs to bring the whole clown car with him.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 29, 2023 3:28 pm

These “family friendly Drag Shows”, are they completely AstroTurfed?

cohenite
January 29, 2023 3:29 pm

memsays:
January 29, 2023 at 3:19 pm
Cohenite
Thanks for posting Alan Moran’s article. By the way I found it in the comments section then when I looked again your comment had disappeared. Maybe edited out? Can’t see why though.

Yeah categorised as spam. I figure dickless has a dickless mate who’s infiltrated the crew running the poor old thing and they pull my comments and get a groin tingle when they do.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 29, 2023 3:31 pm

PM asks Australians to consider cost of rejecting Voice to Parliament

Chortle. Albo’s really skinning this cat isn’t he? The only cost will be a monetary value that has been sunk into the referendum. Black fellas will go on, as will the entire world, as if nothing has happened.
Then Plibbers and the irredeemable imbecile Chalmers can fight for the top job.

cohenite
January 29, 2023 3:32 pm

What is it about queers and alphabet freaks and cakes:

Colorado Baker Who Refused to Make ‘Gender Transition’ Cake Loses Appeal

mem
mem
January 29, 2023 3:38 pm

Thought I’d brush up on some critical thinking skills and terms used in describing types of arguments. The first site I visited seemed to cover most of the definitions and topics. Under the heading, Causal Arguments, was this statement: “This argument type is important because it helps people determine the reasons why certain things happen and to make clear the cause to ensure it doesn’t happen again. For example, arguing why climate change is occurring allows individuals to explore potential causes and come to an agreement on those causes.”
Oh dear, oh dear. The climate change of muddled thinking is everywhere. Here is the site https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/types-of-arguments

JC
JC
January 29, 2023 3:41 pm

Israel attacked Iranian oil dumps too. It’s anyone’s guess, but I’m guessing oil jumps 15 bucks tomorrow. You can’t say, the Iranian regime didn’t deserve it.

DaFisk
DaFisk
January 29, 2023 3:42 pm

Massive and crippling airstrikes throughout Putin’s ally Iran last night, including Iran’s kamikaze drone factory. Happy Holocaust Remembrance Day!

JC
JC
January 29, 2023 3:45 pm

Massive and crippling airstrikes throughout Putin’s ally Iran last night, including Iran’s kamikaze drone factory.

I guess any orders will have to be put on hold.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 29, 2023 3:48 pm

m0ntysays:
January 29, 2023 at 10:19 am
Oh and we know the names of those four or five “grandstanders”, scum like Bragg, Bummingham, Archer and one or two others. Get rid of them.

A purge! Lovely. That will fix everything, comrade.

Worked for Stalin.

DaFisk
DaFisk
January 29, 2023 3:50 pm

It’s worth remembering that CIA director Burns was in Israel just a few days ago. I wonder if Netanyahu sounded out Burns on hitting Iran (which he would do anyway) and throwing in a drone factory or two as a sweetener?

https://twitter.com/aarondmiller2/status/1618962879541297155

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 29, 2023 3:54 pm

Ed Casesays:
January 29, 2023 at 10:31 am
Run out of Bandera “facts”, Makka?
Happy Googooglin’ , pard.

Richard Cranium still sucking himself?

bons
bons
January 29, 2023 3:58 pm

You simply have to love the Guardian. They are so blatant in their stupid.
Amid flurries of articles celebrating Australia’s record wheat harvest of 42 million tons, the Guardian has announced that Australian wheat yields have been devastated by, yep, global warning.
Dominic Frisby provides a good explanation of why this idiotic rag gets so much coverage. It is not paywalled, so lazy commentators and journos simply peddle their nonsense under their own byline.

Zipster
Zipster
January 29, 2023 4:01 pm
Dot
Dot
January 29, 2023 4:02 pm

Amid flurries of articles celebrating Australia’s record wheat harvest of 42 million tons, the Guardian has announced that Australian wheat yields have been devastated by, yep, global warning.

“A devastating decline of an extra 4 million tonnes more than in the 2016/17 season”

Razey
Razey
January 29, 2023 4:02 pm

Massive and crippling airstrikes throughout Putin’s ally Iran last night, including Iran’s kamikaze drone factory.

Will stop nothing. Iran will increase shipments within a short period. These attacks simply ensure Iran will be given nukes by Russia.

The West will lose. They have no high ground what so ever.

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 4:03 pm

You really don’t have the foggiest idea what you’re talking about, do ya m0nts.

Russia: LOL we can buy max materiel from Iran and nobody is going to poke the bear

Israel: hahaha drone strikes on Iranian factories go brrrrrrrm

Vatniks like OCO: *crying inconsolably*

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 4:07 pm

Will stop nothing. Iran will increase shipments within a short period. These attacks simply ensure Iran will be given nukes by Russia.

Russia giving nukes to its crazy cousins would be a very serious escalation. Do you think Putin is that stupid?

The wargaming scenarios that the US would have done prior to okaying this Israeli attack would be interesting. Playing for sheep stations now.

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 29, 2023 4:08 pm

Some here are an excellent barometer.

Inverse scale.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 29, 2023 4:09 pm

Berka

This just seems obvious. Therefore there must be some roadblock, some flaw in this plan, that has stopped people from succeeding in it before, so what is that flaw?

The flaw is that many individuals and groups (activists, indigenous “leaders”, political and lobby groups) have careers that depend upon continuation of the current system. Until they can be diverted into something productive, there is no practical way to change the current dysfunction.

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 4:09 pm

Republicans in Congress will be torn. How can they support Iran against Biden’s decisions when their whole ME foreign policy for generations has been to destroy Iran?

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 29, 2023 4:12 pm

newks from Russia. I thought Obumba had already equipped them.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 29, 2023 4:15 pm

m0ntysays:
January 29, 2023 at 10:53 am
Nah, we don’t purge like your side effwit, instead they’ll lose preselection.

Nup, that’s a purge on suspicions of disloyalty to the Cause. Very Stalinism, much forgettery.

m0nty=fa

How would you describe the Liars Party practice of “show and tell” Caucus” votes? Something like “suspicions of disloyalty”?

Razey
Razey
January 29, 2023 4:15 pm

Fairs fair. Iran needs to be able to defend itself from Jew aggression.

Dot
Dot
January 29, 2023 4:16 pm

Oh god.

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 4:17 pm

Rack off Razey.

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 29, 2023 4:17 pm

Those “for” raise you hand.
Those “against” please lineup against the concrete wall out the back.

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 29, 2023 4:23 pm

I guess it it is unanimous then.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 29, 2023 4:26 pm

Ed Casesays:
January 29, 2023 at 11:41 am
This Milligan Show might be alright.

If I understand correctly, the premise is that the New South Wales Liberal Party has been taken over by the type of Roman Catholics that woulda felt at home in Franco’s Spain of the 1940s?
Popcorn?

Falling back on religious bigotry, Richard? Dog/vomit?

Razey
Razey
January 29, 2023 4:26 pm

Why is Israel allowed to bomb Iran, but Iran not allowed to return the favor?

Go!

Chris
Chris
January 29, 2023 4:28 pm

Thought I’d brush up on some critical thinking skills and terms used in describing types of arguments.

I got into this about 2007, and the very best thing I did was a course in Argument Mapping using software tool ReasonAble, now superseded by Rationale.
The discipline of doing an argument map was quite illuminating, and the training course excellent.
Reading academic stuff about ‘critical thinking’ I found a lot of it to be what has developed into Woke indoctrination. Tim Van Gelder’s ‘Critical Thinking Tools’ was a brilliant resource of that time.
But you saw all this back then, many of you Cats!

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 29, 2023 4:30 pm

IIRC Iran has more than enough HEU for several bombs. U-235 bombs are fairly easy as the gun type works. The Hiroshima one was that type. They didn’t even bother to do a live test.

JC
JC
January 29, 2023 4:45 pm

This Iran thing could turn ugly. Iran could try and close the straits in which case oil is heading to $200 a barrel and the Dow down 20%.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 29, 2023 4:45 pm

A top Australian university has failed the first student for using artificial intelligence to write an essay, an AI professor has revealed.

Computing engineer Toby Walsh, Scientia Professor of Artificial Intelligence at the University of NSW, said schools and universities will have to revert to handwritten essays and assignments in class to prevent chatbot cheating.

“Banning access to websites is totally useless because kids are smart enough to work around it – they can use a VPN (virtual private network), ‘’ he said on Sunday

“You’ve got to put them in a room with no (internet) access, with a pen and paper and no technology.

“We can’t give students take-home lessons anymore.’’

Professor Walsh said the release of OpenAI’s controversial ChatGPT – a powerful chatbot released in November – had triggered “crisis meetings’’ at his own university.

Dot
Dot
January 29, 2023 4:45 pm

Why is Israel allowed to bomb Iran, but Iran not allowed to return the favor?

Go!

Because Israel has total theatre dominance.

See how that works?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_Air_Force#Current_inventory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Revolutionary_Guard_Corps_Aerospace_Force#Current_aircraft_inventory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Air_Force#Current_inventory

That’s why, you slow git.

Vicki
Vicki
January 29, 2023 4:45 pm

Anyone read Chalmers in the Oz.He is setting out to remake our society and capitalism in his preferred image.
I’m betting on death duties, and a wealth tax, in the interests of “fairness.”

He has given “fair warning” as they say at auctions. Labor is going to go at this so fast their tyres will be on fire.

2dogs
January 29, 2023 4:45 pm

Republicans in Congress will be torn.

On the contrary, the war in Ukraine is continuing to provide a lot of excellent breaks in a lot of narratives.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 29, 2023 4:47 pm

Razey where do you think hezbollah gets all its rockets from? Munty level of intelligence. Well there’s a contradiction in terms.

JC
JC
January 29, 2023 4:47 pm

Razey says:
January 29, 2023 at 4:26 pm

Why is Israel allowed to bomb Iran, but Iran not allowed to return the favor?

Go!

Who says they are allowed to. Why make the assumption they aren’t allowed? Very silly.

What you’re really getting at is that Israel is bad. That’s your hidden opinion, right?

Dot
Dot
January 29, 2023 4:50 pm

A top Australian university has failed the first student for using artificial intelligence to write an essay, an AI professor has revealed.

Give them projects to do, not essays.

ChatGPT can’t write an essay on a project they have been given.

ChatGPT or any other programme should be used to verify work.

The universities are going the wrong way about this, they’ll head back to rote learning which is absolutely disconnected to real world work.

calli
calli
January 29, 2023 4:50 pm

You’ve got to put them in a room with no (internet) access, with a pen and paper and no technology.

What is this thing called “running writing”? How do you do it?

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 4:57 pm

ChatGPT can’t do dioramas.

Vicki
Vicki
January 29, 2023 4:58 pm

What is this thing called “running writing”? How do you do it?

Calli, kids these days can’t even hold a pen/pencil properly. And even more disturbing – “teachers” don’t seem to be bothered in showing them how to hold it correctly.

Chris
Chris
January 29, 2023 4:59 pm

Give them projects to do, not essays.

Group porojects, with a hardworking Aussie in every group and the rest of the group being Chinese full-fee-payers with a tenuous grasp of English?

JC
JC
January 29, 2023 5:03 pm

On second thoughts, I don’t think Iran could close the Straits since China would object and the governments are extremely tight. Unless the Iranians go absolutely spazzo.

Christine
Christine
January 29, 2023 5:03 pm

Countless children (and many adults) write with the pen gripped in the fist.

Dot
Dot
January 29, 2023 5:05 pm

Group porojects, with a hardworking Aussie in every group and the rest of the group being Chinese full-fee-payers with a tenuous grasp of English?

There are ways of managing this or mitigating it. I did get rebuked for harshly marking Chinese who couldn’t speak English and saying they shouldn’t be at uni in Oz.

I mean really though, why are Comp Sci/Software Engineer majors writing essays? If they are they ought to be highly specific so they can’t be outsourced, even to ChatGPT. Relate it back to their own work with schematics and some code too.

Oh no. Maybe they’re writing essays for compulsory ethics and other BS subjects.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 29, 2023 5:05 pm

The universities are going the wrong way about this, they’ll head back to rote learning which is absolutely disconnected to real world work.
Dickens called the Universities of his day

Dark, Satanic Mills.

Not much has changed since.

Vicki
Vicki
January 29, 2023 5:06 pm

Does anyone know anything about Treasury intending to replace our current bank notes with polymer? In September 2022 the UK did this & after the deadline, the old paper notes could not be used.

Any understanding or facts on this in Oz?

JC
JC
January 29, 2023 5:06 pm

Azerbaijan and Kurds are another possibility or combo of them.

What are the issues between the Azers and the Iranians? Man, there are so many grievances around the world.

I’m off to buy a couple of liters of iodine, Listerine and 50 liters of kero blue.

cohenite
January 29, 2023 5:06 pm

$9.5 mill pile in Surfers. Overpriced if you ask me.

cohenite
January 29, 2023 5:08 pm

I’m off to buy a couple of liters of iodine, Listerine and 50 liters of kero blue.

Don’t forget some musk flavoured enemas and stain remover for your chinos.

Dot
Dot
January 29, 2023 5:08 pm

*Also, they couldn’t read or write English. Perfect, irrelevant diagrams for Microeconomics 1.

Absolute gibberish and repetition as text.

You might have 5 – 6 short essay questions, from 11 topics, virtually none of them matched the correct diagrams to each topic, despite being perfect; with absolutely no written English that made any sense (even in relation to the diagrams they used), they all got zeroes.

Arky
January 29, 2023 5:09 pm

Vicki says:
January 29, 2023 at 4:45 pm
Anyone read Chalmers in the Oz.He is setting out to remake our society and capitalism in his preferred image.
I’m betting on death duties, and a wealth tax, in the interests of “fairness.”

He has given “fair warning” as they say at auctions. Labor is going to go at this so fast their tyres will be on fire.

..
Go after mining “super profits” again?
Might want to diversify out of Aussie miners soon?

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 29, 2023 5:10 pm

Countless children (and many adults) write with the pen gripped in the fist.
I’ve noticed that, so I just tried it.
As far as writing goes, it’s noticeably quicker, plus no sore fingers.

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 5:10 pm

We don’t know it’s Israel. Azerbaijan and Kurds are another possibility or combo of them.

It is amusing that people keep saying the attacks were launched from a “secret Israeli base” in Azerbaijan. Not much of a secret if the journos all know about it.

It’s Israel.

Dot
Dot
January 29, 2023 5:11 pm

550,000 IO mortgages in Australia this year revert to P&I, is this correct?

Is it also correct that they will largely revert from 3% or less to 8% and higher?

That would literally triple your mortgage repayments.

Finance dude bros, help us out here.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 29, 2023 5:11 pm

Andrew Bolt: Anti-Australia Day rally grows more menacing by the year

No one at Melbourne’s anti-Australia Day rally of hate sang out, hey, cut out the racism when the MC jeered “I hope you choke on your lamb chops”.
Andrew Bolt
Andrew Bolt
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January 29, 2023 – 4:50PM
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The MC at last Thursday’s big anti-Australia Day protest in Melbourne shouted a welcome to “Rocky Harrison” as a shirtless man in sunnies swaggered onto the stage

But some journalists didn’t report what Rocky then said. Still, I’m not surprised, given so many seem keen to protect the “reconciliation” fraud pushed by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese.

Rocky announced he’d been in prison, and fired a string of obscenities and racist insults at police and jailers.

“F … these f … ing white dogs”, “f … ing screws”, “f … ing white maggots”,” he ranted, and then, pointing apparently to police near the Flinders St station, screamed: “F … the police! … I’ll f. ing shoot you, you f … ing dogs.”

Yet no one at this rally sang out, hey, cut out the racism and threats. No one shut down Rocky or protested that this reconciliation movement is supposed to fight racism and help us all get along, just like Albanese says.

I instead heard whoops and cheers from the crowd packed outside the station, as if racism isn’t racism if your pet race wins.

The MC, a woman, then led the mob in a chant: “F … the police, f … the police, f … your prisons.”

Earlier, she’d jeered at the “whites celebrating (Australia Day) with your f … ing little barbecues”, adding: “I hope you choke on your lamb chops … f. you!” Two other official speakers, including a CFMEU organiser, also shouted “f … the police”.

Feeling reconciled yet? Or just conned by a movement that grows more divisive and menacing by the year?

How symbolic, that these speeches were given at an intersection once used by the annual Melbourne Australia Day parade until the Andrews Labor Government scrapped it and cleared the road for this rally of hate instead.

But you wouldn’t have been told about these toxic speeches. Many journalists gave a sanitised coverage of the rally, like they do of the Labor-back race industry now pushing us towards apartheid and even race war.

In fact, ABC reports I saw even left out Senator Lidia Thorpe’s racist war cry at the rally’s start.

I know, Thorpe gets dismissed as an irrelevant fringe player by apologists for Albanese’s Voice. Actually, she’s a big deal.

For a start, she’s the First Nations spokesman for the Greens, backed at the last election by 13 per cent of voters.

What’s more, Thorpe’s sister Meriki Onus is a leader of the Warriors of the Aboriginal Resistance which helped organised the Melbourne rally, and the Thorpe clan is the rising rival to the long-dominant Bamblett family in Victoria’s Aboriginal politics, already controlling at least three of the 31 seats of Victoria’s version of Albanese’s Voice, the First Nations Assembly.

That makes Thorpe a warning of where this race movement is heading, unwittingly pushed by Albanese.

So note: at the rally, Thorpe waved a “war stick”, and yelled: “This is a war, a war that was declared on our people over 200 years ago.

“That war has never ended in our country against our people.

“They are still killing us. They are still stealing our babies. They are killing our men. They are still raping our women.”

Note her racism. Thorpe was clearly scapegoating whites as murderers and rapists of “our people”, when in fact studies have confirmed, for instance, that most murdered Aboriginal women were killed by their partners – themselves mostly Aborigines.

Just last week, federal Labor MP Marion Scrymgour said 14 of the 16 people in intensive care beds in Alice Springs were Aboriginal women who’d been bashed.

What’s more, when Thorpe yells “they are still stealing our babies”, she deflects from the real crime: Aboriginal children are much likelier to need saving from their parents.

This is the kind of poison Albanese is helping to spread with his push to divide us by race in our constitution, giving Aborigines an advisory Parliament just for themselves.

His plan is also racist, setting races against each other. It also falsely implies that the real problem in too many Aboriginal communities is whites, allegedly racist, oppressive or deaf to advice.

That’s why news of the crime wave in Alice Springs, caused by Aboriginal men and underparented children, has so horrified Labor. It shows voters what a fraud this blame-whites excuse is.

Meanwhile, Thorpe takes Labor’s racism and white-blaming fakery to the logical conclusion, and preaches war.

Best wake up to that now, before some black radicals – or white nationalists – believe Thorpe and others on her stage of hate that it really is a race war and grab a gun

Vicki
Vicki
January 29, 2023 5:13 pm

Does anyone know anything about Treasury intending to replace our current bank notes with polymer? In September 2022 the UK did this & after the deadline, the old paper notes could not be used.

Mea Culpa. Our current notes are, of course, polymer. But have heard that the new notes with the clear centres will create some sort of change.

I have become a “conspiracy theorist” clearly. I have to relax more.

Zipster
Zipster
January 29, 2023 5:14 pm

Germany’s Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock’s “war with Russia” comment has backfired. Several opposition leaders and others from Germany have trained guns at Baerbock. She has been tagged “unfit for the job” and “insane” publicly by German leaders. German MP Sahra Wagenknecht accused Baerbock of “trampling” with Germany’s image. Alice Weidel, the co-chair of Alternative Germany, said that we need a foreign minister who can act as a responsible diplomat and not a firebrand amid the conflict in Europe. Amid the row, the German Foreign Ministry clarified that Berlin is not a party to the conflict. However, neither Baerbock nor Olaf Scholz have yet responded to the criticism. Meanwhile, Russia said this shows how the West has been planning to attack Moscow for years.

diversity hire

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 29, 2023 5:15 pm

m0ntysays:
January 29, 2023 at 2:28 pm
You’re so dumb you don’t realise you weren’t.

Haha, you have devolved to the BJ level of “I know you are but what am I”. Dumber than a chatbot.

Oh, we all know what you are m0nty=fa. A rabid defender of today’s fascist left position, even if it contradicts yesterday’s position.

Have you received the DNC/MSM talking points about the latest Twatter dump yet? The one that shows that the so-called Wussian bot swarm wasn’t, and Twatter knew it at the time? That one will be interesting to spin.

PS, a chatbot recently passed some MBA exams in the US with flying colours. How does that compare to failing Economics 1?

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 29, 2023 5:16 pm

Anyone read Chalmers in the Oz.He is setting out to remake our society and capitalism in his preferred image.
I’m betting on death duties, and a wealth tax, in the interests of “fairness.”

Yeah, nah.
It’s BaffleGab for the old Labor Standard, the search for the missing billions AKA the attack on the Black Economy AKA the attack on the Cash Economy..
So, look out, SexWorkers and Hungry Tradies, Chalmers & Dreyfus are gunning for you.

Robert Sewell
January 29, 2023 5:16 pm

Arky:

I heard one bird on a network opine that these things wouldn’t happen if all coppers were female. “Female officers don’t police that way”. Oh really? Imagine the carnage out there if shit scared, power hungry females were daily trying to keep the peace in these inner cities.

There’d be a lot more crooks doing the ‘perp roll’ om a gurney, that’s for sure.

Vicki
Vicki
January 29, 2023 5:17 pm

Go after mining “super profits” again?
Might want to diversify out of Aussie miners soon?

Possibly. But hell, all I want to do is to be able to pass on hard-work-acquired property to grandchildren (who will need it) without penalty tax for our efforts.

Cassie of Sydney
January 29, 2023 5:17 pm

“Fairs fair. Iran needs to be able to defend itself from Jew aggression.”

A few points….

Point 1. As for your charming (not) description “Jew aggression”, well I wish there had been more “Jew aggression” between the years of 1939 and 1945 because that would mean that there’d be more of us aggressive Jews. As it was, and it’s an historical fact, over six million innocent Jews were murdered in cold blood, including almost two million children. Their crime, they were “Jews”. These “Jews” were completely unarmed and completely innocent. Read my lips, it will not happen again.

Point 2. In relation to Iran, since the mullahs took power in 1979, everyday Iran threatens to wipe Israel of the map. It has called for the complete destruction, elimination and annihilation of the one “Jew” state on the planet. That means the whole of Israel…from the river to the sea. Gosh, I call that “Iran aggression”, don’t you? And Israel and Jews take such threats seriously because, as I’ve outlined in point one, we’ve already had a genocide conducted against us and it will not happen again. Iran regularly targets not just Israelis but also Jews. It doesn’t distinguish.

Point 3. Iran finances and arms both Hezbollah and Hamas, which everyday attacks and murders Israeli Jews, the latest overnight, which followed on the heels of the Friday night slaughter, in which seven Jews were murdered in a house of worship, whilst praying to the God of Abraham, the God of Jews, Christians and Muslims. Yesterday, Iran openly celebrated the murder of Jews at prayer.

Finally, I think it’s high time you racked off. You’ve only been here a few hours and already you’ve outstayed your welcome. Your absence from this blog wasn’t even noticed, which shows just how little of value you contribute here. Nobody said “where’s Razey”.

I’ll just end this by saying this, and then I will never ever engage with you again because I’ve long thought you to be an immature, adolescent, ignorant and very aggressive dickhead, that we Jews and Israel will always defend ourselves and we will prevail, because what was done to us eight years ago will never happen again. When someone says they’re going to kill us, we believe them.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 29, 2023 5:19 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
January 29, 2023 at 3:06 pm
Anyone read Chalmers in the Oz.He is setting out to remake our society and capitalism in his preferred image.

I’m betting on death duties, and a wealth tax, in the interests of “fairness.”

He will get kick-back from Caucus, a lot of Liars MPs, federal and state, are big property holders.

Political purity is about to meet political practicality. See also Cairns, Jim.

Cassie of Sydney
January 29, 2023 5:23 pm

“What are the issues between the Azers and the Iranians? Man, there are so many grievances around the world.”

Goes back a long time which is odd because they are the same ethnic group and follow the same Shiite version of Islam. I have a friend who’s an Azeri Jew (born in Baku) and she doesn’t like Iranian Jews.

BTW, there is still a Jewish community in Iran. Very oppressed.

I should also add another thing, I’ve never met an Iranian that I haven’t liked. They are wonderful people and are warm, open and tolerant. Most are secular, they loathe the mullahs and if they are religious, they aren’t extremists. The tragedy of Iran is the theocratic regime that seized power in 1979, which happened under weak American leadership….aka Jimmy Carter.

Zipster
Zipster
January 29, 2023 5:24 pm

Why is Israel allowed to bomb Iran,

mission creep

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 5:26 pm

Should also be pointed out that there was a terrorist attack on the Azerbaijan embassy in Tehran yesterday. Lots of pointers to that “secret” Israeli base in Azerbaijan.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 29, 2023 5:28 pm

Latest from Andrew Bolt [Dutch rabble rouser to Australia]:

Earlier, she’d jeered at the “whites celebrating (Australia Day) with your f … ing little barbecues”, adding: “I hope you choke on your lamb chops … f. you!” Two other official speakers, including a CFMEU organiser, also shouted “f … the police”.

Feeling reconciled yet? Or just conned by a movement that grows more divisive and menacing by the year?

Ummm, Andrew, the Police were providing Security for the event.

Meanwhile, Thorpe takes Labor’s racism and white-blaming fakery to the logical conclusion, and preaches war.

No, Andrew.
What Thorpe is saying is that the Government undeclared war on Aborigines has never stopped.

Best wake up to that now, before some black radicals – or white nationalists – believe Thorpe and others on her stage of hate that it really is a race war and grab a gun

White Nationalist’s grabbing their guns again, eh Andrew?

Well, that’s what the Murdoch Family pays you the big buck$$ for, though I reckon Dutton shoulda deported yoiu back to CloggyVille for being a menace to Public Order.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 29, 2023 5:32 pm

BTW, there is still a Jewish community in Iran. Very oppressed.
Hafta pull you up on that one.
The Community in Iran is very protected by the State, for good reason.
See: the Lavon Incident of 1955.

Miltonf
Miltonf
January 29, 2023 5:33 pm

The Doctor of Keatingisms will find plenty of support amongst the pubes that infest the treasury- they were full on and still are full on about ‘resdesigning’ our economy- dontcha know a canbra dyke with BA (first class honours) from the ANU knows a lot more about the real economy than a miner in Cobar, a farmer in Nhill, a tradie in Melbourne or an engineer in Bowen?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 29, 2023 5:35 pm

I was drinking coffee at my computer while working.

Does anybody else remember where they were when they found out Amber Heard’s dog had stepped on a bee?

Louis Litt
January 29, 2023 5:35 pm

Went to Maccas in Whyalla –
Ate the small burger small chips and small coke – its like the WEF ingediants and the greens vego neat.
Dont do it, riot insteD

Miltonf
Miltonf
January 29, 2023 5:40 pm

The greens are truly evil. I have seen them up close and they are not good people.

calli
calli
January 29, 2023 5:40 pm

There must be an election coming up in NSW.

Bus strike tomorrow.

Robert Sewell
January 29, 2023 5:41 pm

The issue of nuclear weapons being used to escalate a war isn’t really something I want to go into, but Ukraine does have the cabability of a ‘dirty bomb’ from the old reactor at Chernobyl. Plenty of melted and undispersed elements of the core are still available to a regime that values criminals lives at less than zero.
Could we get a few of our more nuclear oriented engineers to have a go at discussing this?

Miltonf
Miltonf
January 29, 2023 5:42 pm

The left want a race war.

Robert Sewell
January 29, 2023 5:44 pm

HBBear:

…and my own half way between somewhere and Broken Hill pulling in for fuel when my sense of speed was a bit distorted.

Always a trap – even for the experienced.

Miltonf
Miltonf
January 29, 2023 5:44 pm

When TLS brought in the ‘carbon’ tax (it’s shocking that they can actually have the power to do this)- one treasury cretin said words to the effect that this was the ‘last great reform’ after the tariffs cuts.

m0nty
m0nty
January 29, 2023 5:45 pm

We really don’t know what has happened in Iran if anything at all.

Translation: db doesn’t like what is happening.

Robert Sewell
January 29, 2023 5:46 pm

Sancho:

The Indian tanks all have a fatal weakness where they have cut a hole through the bottom.

May I just point out the Sherman had the same luxury appointment?

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