Open Thread – Weekend 25 March 2023


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JC
JC
March 25, 2023 10:13 pm

Chris Minns claimed to have started the road to power by giving up alcohol, and staring his day at 5.00 A.M

We shouldn’t undersell that. Folks who change their lives in order to attain goals are very focused individuals.

Rabz
March 25, 2023 10:13 pm

The comment above was posted before having the pleasure of chowing down on one of Cassie’s cakes.

Very Tastee! 🙂

Robert Sewell
March 25, 2023 10:16 pm

John H:

That is a potential problem but I am struggling to believe that USA would leave itself in a chronic ammunition shortfall position.

In 1941, Germany had a weapons and ammunition crisis.
German thinking was that the factories and workmen made enough weapons and munitions for the next war, and the workers in the factories would – in the main – don uniforms and pick up a rifle and go to war. After the fall of France, many divisions were demobilised, removed their skilled workers and sent them to go back to the workbench to make weapons.
Why would they do that?
Because that was what they planned on doing all along. Remember “Just kick the door in and the whole rotten structure will collapse.”?
Then came the 1941 winter and the Russian counter offensives.
Ooops.
Bad call, Adolf.
And now, despite knowing what the US knew to be the problem – their procurement system is a shambles, factories working from one contract to the next and lying fallow (to use an agricultural term) which has reverberations down the whole production line, is in just about the same place as Germany in 1941. Chaotic production runs, no realistic attempt is being made to streamline the factories and the problem goes all the way back to the contract system instead of steady manufacturing. It takes time and money to stop and restart the bread and butter production runs. It doesn’t happen so much with the expensive systems like aircraft and ships because their contracts have to be multi year – yet Congress still stuffs the system around with reducing numbers of aircraft on contract, paying a forfeiture fee and getting less fighters for more money.
The Military Industrial complex is making money hand over fist and no one cares enough to fix the problem.
…and it’s even worse in Australia where we just spent $6 Billion on submarines that were never going to be delivered, by an organisation that has failed EVERY major acquisition program it has ever attempted.

Rantover.

JC
JC
March 25, 2023 10:16 pm

Cheese cake?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 25, 2023 10:18 pm

I’m trying to cheer myself up with music so if anyone has other suggestions …

Champagne, takeaway piazza for dinner, and a couple of large single malts after dinner.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 25, 2023 10:18 pm

When Albo got his teeth fixed it was all over for SloMo.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 25, 2023 10:19 pm

You might be able to get away with that in the UK. Not here and definitely not in the US.

rosie
rosie
March 25, 2023 10:20 pm

If this WA weekend debauchery doesn’t ease up there will be a worldwide shortage of piazzas.

Crossie
Crossie
March 25, 2023 10:21 pm

Knuckle Dragger says:
March 25, 2023 at 10:13 pm
The Alice Springs business owner:

NT government, this is the fifth time in two years. Start getting serious on crime, which you won’t because yet again we don’t exist and these kids are classed as naughty little children.
BAM.

The problem is that there just aren’t enough businesses in the top end to rob, they would better off in the inner Sydney or Melbourne.

The other solution is to give the urban Aboriginal aristocracy The Voice to brand all other Australians as the problem.

rosie
rosie
March 25, 2023 10:21 pm

Clearly a good square meal though.

Crossie
Crossie
March 25, 2023 10:22 pm

And here comes Albo with the spruik for the Voice. I need another drink.

Helen
Helen
March 25, 2023 10:22 pm

Geez Elbow did a Biden went the wrong way coming into the room then welcomed himself to his own county? Appropriation, should have had an official aborigine do that.

John H.
John H.
March 25, 2023 10:22 pm

JCsays:
March 25, 2023 at 9:58 pm
John H
The vast majority of people do not think for themselves and have their opinions assigned to them by the MSM. It’s just how humans are constructed. It doesn’t mean we’re dumb but we’re easily swayed.

The life of an average Australian adult can be easily mapped out. He goes to work, reads or listens to some news during the day, then goes home and watches the evening news. This is how opinions are formed in the burbs.

That’s not true of the under 40’s. They avoid free to air, the MSM, rely on Netflix, influencers, and internet forums like Trash talk.

Millennials also appear to be drawn into news that they might otherwise have ignored because peers are recommending and contextualizing it for them on social networks, as well as on more private networks such as group texts and instant messaging. Once they encounter news, moreover, nearly 9 in 10 report usually seeing diverse opinions, and three-quarters of those report investigating opinions different than their own.

How do we determine who isn’t in that vast majority? By their voting propensities? The fundamental problem with policy prescriptions is that facts aren’t enough, interpretation is often required, and that plays into our personality and various biases.

https://www.abs.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2021-census-shows-millennials-overtaking-boomers

Baby Boomers and Millennials each have over 5.4 million people, with only 5,662 more Baby Boomers than Millennials counted on 10 August 2021. Over the last ten years, the Millennials have increased from 20.4 per cent of the population in 2011 to 21.5 per cent in 2021. In the same time, Baby Boomers have decreased from 25.4 per cent in 2011 to 21.5 per cent in 2021.

Crossie
Crossie
March 25, 2023 10:24 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:
March 25, 2023 at 10:18 pm
I’m trying to cheer myself up with music so if anyone has other suggestions …
Champagne, takeaway piazza for dinner, and a couple of large single malts after dinner.

Good advice though I’m not into the distilled potables.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 25, 2023 10:24 pm

Then came the 1941 winter and the Russian counter offensives.

Total garbage.
The Wehrmacht was undone by the length of the Supply Lines.
Napoleon ran into the same problem.

Robert Sewell
March 25, 2023 10:24 pm

Matrix Transform:

some dumb-arse hit the wrong button
programmed the wrong time
spilled his beer on the key board

I initially thought a rerun of the Sydney train radio shambles.
I still think that.
And it was just before an election.
How bloody predictable.

MatrixTransform
March 25, 2023 10:24 pm

It doesn’t mean we’re dumb

yes it does

Crossie
Crossie
March 25, 2023 10:25 pm

What is Chris Minns’ wife wearing? A dressing gown?

Helen
Helen
March 25, 2023 10:25 pm

Mrs Minns is in her dressing gown. (My broadcast is behind you all becasue I started later

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 25, 2023 10:26 pm

Minns wife is a pog, the kids look unhappy.
Is he a Flamer?

Crossie
Crossie
March 25, 2023 10:27 pm

Albo is basking in the reflected glory.

Crossie
Crossie
March 25, 2023 10:28 pm

Snap, Helen.

JC
JC
March 25, 2023 10:29 pm

That’s not true of the under 40’s. They avoid free to air, the MSM, rely on Netflix, influencers, and internet forums like Trash talk.

I’d estimate that 90% of the under 40s acquired their opinion that unchecked gerbil warming will destroy civilization from the schools, universities, media, be it the MSM or alternatives. These opinions were assigned to them and they have never heard from the other side.

John H.
John H.
March 25, 2023 10:29 pm

Robert Sewellsays:
March 25, 2023 at 10:16 pm
John H:

That is a potential problem but I am struggling to believe that USA would leave itself in a chronic ammunition shortfall position.

In 1941, Germany had a weapons and ammunition crisis.

Thanks Robert. Good rant. In WW2 hundreds of aircraft could be built in a week. Now it is a few hundred in a good year. So you have a point.

JC
JC
March 25, 2023 10:33 pm

Minns wife is a pog

Pog?

JC
JC
March 25, 2023 10:34 pm

MatrixTransform says:
March 25, 2023 at 10:24 pm
It doesn’t mean we’re dumb
yes it does

No it doesn’t, but you are.

MatrixTransform
March 25, 2023 10:35 pm

I’m trying to cheer myself up with music

joy joy joy

Crossie
Crossie
March 25, 2023 10:36 pm

At least Minns remembered his parents and even his in-laws.

cohenite
March 25, 2023 10:36 pm

If we take the OCEAN psych assessments seriously, progressives are more open to experience, more open to exploring new ideas, while conservatives are are followers.

That’s bullshit.

Matt Kean comes across on the ABC as a sharp guy who keeps it real.

I’d say he’ll do well in Federal Politics.

Great piss taking crotchless.

Crossie
Crossie
March 25, 2023 10:37 pm

Minns is saying a lot of right things but what will happen next week?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
March 25, 2023 10:41 pm

And it’s goodnight from him.

MatrixTransform
March 25, 2023 10:44 pm

Look JC,

only yesterday you were characterised as a one-trick-pony

and yet today you appear to have successfully learned another trick

now don’t get too cocky

… there’s not really enough info to be sure that your progress is exponential

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 25, 2023 10:44 pm
m0nty
March 25, 2023 10:44 pm

2PP estimate is 55-45 to Labor, a seven-point swing. Better than all the polls.

A complete destroyation, as Rex used to say.

Crossie
Crossie
March 25, 2023 10:48 pm

Farmer Gez says:
March 25, 2023 at 10:41 pm
And it’s goodnight from him.

Not ready for sleep yet so will watch instead Beyond Paradise, the new spin off series from Death In Paradise.

John H.
John H.
March 25, 2023 10:48 pm

cohenitesays:
March 25, 2023 at 10:36 pm
If we take the OCEAN psych assessments seriously, progressives are more open to experience, more open to exploring new ideas, while conservatives are are followers.

That’s bullshit.

What’s BS, OCEAN? I can accept that but the results certainly are not BS. So you must reject OCEAN.

Helen
Helen
March 25, 2023 10:49 pm

Monts, is that your prediction? Jusy wondering.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 25, 2023 10:50 pm

The ABC loved this fat idiot talking for the Liberal Party.

He reckons the Liberal Party have got to go AntiWhite to stay relevant, the same thing he said at the Federal Election.

That’s music to Labor’s ears.

Helen
Helen
March 25, 2023 10:51 pm

Cossie is that on free to air?

Crossie
Crossie
March 25, 2023 10:57 pm

Helen says:
March 25, 2023 at 10:51 pm
Cossie is that on free to air?

I stream it through Foxtel.

Helen
Helen
March 25, 2023 10:59 pm

Cossie, thanks

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 25, 2023 10:59 pm

Tony Barry, that’s the fat idiots name.
He musta been asleep at the Victorian Election, Liberals put up about 20 CurryMunchers, and none of them did any good.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
March 25, 2023 11:00 pm

Back home after an evening in Richmond hotel precint. Hotel beer now $16 a pint. FMD.

cohenite
March 25, 2023 11:09 pm

So you must reject OCEAN.

I can’t, I’m a surfer.

Dot
Dot
March 25, 2023 11:10 pm

Minns wife is a pog

Maybe she can cook and is pleasant to be around.

Dot
Dot
March 25, 2023 11:12 pm

Hotel beer now $16 a pint. FMD.

Alcoholism solved by the jackboot of the State.

Robert Sewell
March 25, 2023 11:12 pm

Fair Shake:

Back home after an evening in Richmond hotel precint. Hotel beer now $16 a pint. FMD.

Good God, man!
The Railway at Barcaldine $7.00 a schooner of XXXX Bitter.
…and no sawdust on the floor to sop up the blood.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
March 25, 2023 11:15 pm

Seems Tasmania of all places is the last refuge of the Liberal Party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliaments_of_the_Australian_states_and_territories#Current_compositions

I, for one, welcome our new mainland overlords.

John H.
John H.
March 25, 2023 11:16 pm

cohenitesays:
March 25, 2023 at 11:09 pm
So you must reject OCEAN.

I can’t, I’m a surfer.

You must be a conscientious surfer.

Dot
Dot
March 25, 2023 11:17 pm

Kean is back in.

Time to take the Liberal Party out back and end its oxygen addiction.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
March 25, 2023 11:18 pm

Not ready for sleep yet so will watch instead Beyond Paradise, the new spin off series from Death In Paradise.

Struggling to find it’s feet… but might come good when, I hope, our happy couple adopt. Sally Bretton (?) is very pretty when she smiles, which thus far she’s been largely prevented from doing by plot, just for starters. We’re half way through the 6 episode run, so they will need to get a wriggle on. Also, DiP has/d as its claim to fame some of the pertest of derrieres on TV. Not much chance of that in Shipton Abbott!

It would be oddly uplifting to see adoption on the box… no matter it will most likely be a disabled trans baby of any colour but white just on principle.

MatrixTransform
March 25, 2023 11:21 pm

So you must reject OCEAN

I thought that it was a Linx deodorant flavour

m0nty
March 25, 2023 11:22 pm

Monts, is that your prediction? Jusy wondering.

No that’s from Antony Green.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
March 25, 2023 11:24 pm

So you must reject OCEAN

I thought that it was a Linx deodorant flavour

Surely the bad guys in B grade spy thriller or another. Didn’t they have numbers?

Robert Sewell
March 25, 2023 11:25 pm

What’s happened to Maria Zee is a sign of what’s in store for all of us

ING Bank informed Maria on March 9 of this year that her accounts, which she had had for years, were being forcibly closed by the bank. Maria was given one week to find another bank and was told that her accounts would be locked within two weeks and funds made unavailable.

Fun times ahead for all of us.

rickw
rickw
March 25, 2023 11:26 pm

This idea that there is some underlying Right wing majority out there is a recurring myth around here.

Absolute myth. Australian’s are almost entirely f’cking communist sheep.

MatrixTransform
March 25, 2023 11:27 pm

an evening in Richmond

Richmond, Melb ?

we were there at Mountain Goat Brewery this evening for a 30th

swooped in and ate the pizza, then left the kiddies to their shenanigans

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 25, 2023 11:28 pm

Just watched a bit of that NZ trannie footage.

It’s weird that an actual woman, campaigning that actual women should have their voices heard is physically smacked up and vocally drowned out by hairy blokes in dresses pretending to be women.

Attention all feminists: You own this.

MatrixTransform
March 25, 2023 11:28 pm

communist sheep

utter Baaa-stards

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 25, 2023 11:29 pm

Comment, from the Oz.

Peter
2 hours ago
(Edited)
Thank you Scott Morrison. One in five millenials vote conservative. That is 30 percent of the electorate. Most people in Australian cities don’t vote conservative. That is 85% of the population. Most women don’t vote conservative. So where are you conservatives hoping to win the next election? In small country towns.? The over 80s vote? The world has changed. Australia has changed. Pleading for a back to “ traditional” conservative campaign issues just shows how out of touch you are with modern Australia.

Razey
Razey
March 25, 2023 11:31 pm

A debt crisis (foreign, domestic) or three might wake people up. There are signs in many places that liquidity is becoming an issue for banks and other financial entities. Lets see how the next budget is received by the countries debt holders.

This ladies and gentlemen is what is about to happen. We are all smart enough here to understand that fiat currency is purely a confidence trick. The lockdowns and mandates has compounded the average persons miss trust after years of lies and abuse dished out by corrupt governments.
You can feel when the central bankers shout from the rooftops that ‘the banking system is safe’ an undercurrent of growing distrust. I believe things are going to get real ugly.

m0nty
March 25, 2023 11:34 pm

Hoping that a recession will save you from a generational disconnection of the conservative movement from mainstream Australia is just the sort of thinking that got you into this mess in the first place.

Carry on.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
March 25, 2023 11:39 pm

So where are you conservatives hoping to win the next election? In small country towns.? The over 80s vote? The world has changed. Australia has changed. Pleading for a back to “ traditional” conservative campaign issues just shows how out of touch you are with modern Australia.

This, unfortunately, all true.

What is left unsaid is just how out of touch modern Australia has become with some basic realities. Whatever the reason, the result per Kipling… something about Gods and Copybook Headings (or have the editors been at that as well?).

MatrixTransform
March 25, 2023 11:40 pm

dearest mUnty,
you dumb clown
your free ride is over

Razey
Razey
March 25, 2023 11:40 pm

The left is evil. To survive, evil needs to feed on the good. Evil evens feeds on other evil. Good nourishes itself, so when evil finally dies, the good will grow again.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
March 25, 2023 11:44 pm

Hoping that a recession will save you from a generational disconnection of the conservative movement from mainstream Australia is just the sort of thinking that got you into this mess in the first place.

M0nst, that is a forlorn hope, a very negative one, and you’re right to point it out as such.

Crossie
Crossie
March 25, 2023 11:51 pm

It would be oddly uplifting to see adoption on the box… no matter it will most likely be a disabled trans baby of any colour but white just on principle.

I think the houseboat is the answer, they will relax there and – presto – conceive normally.

m0nty
March 25, 2023 11:52 pm

Labor went through the same disconnection when the unions lost power. They managed to figure out a way to govern as technocrats, which may not be particularly grass-rootsy of them, but at least it is coherent.

The Liberals have backed themselves into a corner. They currently represent the fossil fuel lobby, various other public funds arbitrageurs, evangelical Christians and… nobody else. That is not enough blocs to form a Coalition. They are ceding entire swathes of the electorate to their opponents, not just the Teals but everyone is feasting at the carcass.

They need a long stretch in the wilderness to figure out a new way of presenting as a viable and logical party of government, because they are in a deep, deep hole at the moment.

Razey
Razey
March 25, 2023 11:54 pm

Wishful thinking is that this will only be recession. The left really thinks it can get away with perversion and wickedness without punishment.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
March 25, 2023 11:55 pm

I think the houseboat is the answer, they will relax there and – presto – conceive normally.

Sans houseboat, that is exactly what happened to my sister… after 3 IVF kids!

You may be right, but three episodes is cutting that more than tight…

m0nty
March 25, 2023 11:57 pm

Wishful thinking is that this will only be recession. The left really thinks it can get away with perversion and wickedness without punishment.

Thanks for that Fred Nile.

Science moves on one funeral at a time, and if the Libs won’t change they are the next on the slab.

John H.
John H.
March 26, 2023 12:06 am

m0ntysays:
March 25, 2023 at 11:57 pm
Wishful thinking is that this will only be recession. The left really thinks it can get away with perversion and wickedness without punishment.

Thanks for that Fred Nile.

Science moves on one funeral at a time, and if the Libs won’t change they are the next on the slab.

The Libs bury their dead and blame the left for the death when the cause is suicide. The joke used to be the Left circle of suicide, at least that is one trait the Libs have emulated.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
March 26, 2023 12:07 am

… if the Libs won’t change they are the next on the slab.

What viable “change” could they possibly undergo?

I get that you’re broadly commenting that the future for the Libs is elsewhere, but what possible “there” is realistically left for them? Progressive-ho?

In many ways, that analysis devolves to the Fukuyama-esque. That was (rightly) laughed out of town last time. The only “arc of history” is spelled slightly differently.

Frank
Frank
March 26, 2023 12:11 am

They need a long stretch in the wilderness to figure out a new way of presenting as a viable and logical party of government, because they are in a deep, deep hole at the moment.

Seems like those noises were made once before, when Rudd got voted in.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 26, 2023 12:11 am

They managed to figure out a way to govern as technocrats, which may not be particularly grass-rootsy of them, but at least it is coherent.

Jim Chalmers as a technocrat? Hmmm … that’s an unusual take. Especially from Goose Swansteen’s brains trust.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 26, 2023 12:16 am

The Lieborals need another Howard v Peacock near death experience. Only this time ending in death. I genuinely think they have outlived there usefulness. Like a crap football team there does not see even the kernel of recovery.

MatrixTransform
March 26, 2023 12:27 am

a viable and logical party of government

women are nazis
and kids need their dicks off

makes perfect sense

you’re broken in the head mUnty

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
March 26, 2023 12:27 am

Like a crap football team there does not see even the kernel of recovery.

Norf won. In Perf. Hope springs eternal… but the Libs strike me as more the Royboys or University.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
March 26, 2023 12:28 am

Benito m0ntellini dictated:

Labor went through the same disconnection when the unions lost power. They managed to figure out a way to govern as technocrats, which may not be particularly grass-rootsy of them, but at least it is coherent.

Coherent? The clique who destabilised the electrical grid? These are your “technocrats” and unstable is the new “coherency”?
You are a laugh a minute,m0nts.

m0nty
March 26, 2023 12:35 am

What viable “change” could they possibly undergo?

Purging the joint of Christian dominionists would be a start. That is a big loser of a trend.

The Vic election showed there was potential in appealing to aspirational satellite suburb voters, but not enough potential to make it worth pursuing as all it did was minimise the short term seat numbers.

Matt Canavan’s tweet tonight quoted “family formation, small government and national improvement” as the solution. The problem with that is that the first and last of those do not gel with the middle one. You can’t support families by drowning the government in a bathtub. You also can’t do nation building with PPPs, it’s not the 1990s any more.

There are two viable paths out. The first is herrenvolk socialism, which is essentially what Howard engaged in with his middle class welfare and what Trump promised but did not deliver. The other would be something new. I don’t know what that is yet, need some thought.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
March 26, 2023 12:38 am

Couple of hours ago I looked via ABC at NSW Senate to see how Craig Kelly going.

There were a number of candidates shown above him which showed number of votes. No actual votes shown next to Kelly name.

People/ parties above Kelly included Bosi, Socialist Alliance and IMOP. Kelly has 85,000 Twitter followers and I can’t see how he would have less votes than them.

MatrixTransform
March 26, 2023 12:43 am

There are two viable paths out.

wrong, there a three
nip that shit in the bud
murder a Bolshie now
so we dont have to listen to this frog-shit

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
March 26, 2023 12:50 am

Good on Gina R for turning up to help one of the Libs candidates.

Cassie of Sydney
March 26, 2023 1:03 am

Oh I see the Jew hating misogynist pervert apologist is here gloating, this is the same pervert apologist who openly admitted here today that he gets off on violence against women whose views he doesn’t like. Charming, I think it’s high time this unsavoury racist was given his marching orders from here. I certainly think that women and children should be advised to steer well clear of him, he’s a menace.

By the way, having just returned from an election party, nobody is surprised or unhappy with the result, we knew the Liberals were going to lose. None of us voted Liberal. Also, having had a good look at the result, it’s not quite the blood bath that it appears and the Liberals, if they get their act together, can retrieve many of these seats in four years. But there’s an old adage, if you stand for nothing….you lose, and the Liberal Party currently stands for nothing, not free speech, not fiscal responsibility, not religious freedom and not individual liberty, and until it decides to speak up about these basic Liberal Party values, it will continue to bleed voters. The reason why Labor won? Firstly it was a twelve year old government, secondly Chris Minns, after several disastrous Labor opposition leaders, was deemed acceptable to the voters, thirdly, Liberals were rightly pissed off by a Liberal Party that wasn’t Liberal at all.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
March 26, 2023 1:03 am

There are two viable paths out. The first is herrenvolk socialism, which is essentially what Howard engaged in with his middle class welfare and what Trump promised but did not deliver. The other would be something new. I don’t know what that is yet, need some thought.

Clever words, herrenvolk socialism. Populism is probably a less-pretentious term.

But, using your formulation, that can’t be a way forward anyway, if only because it runs into your “small government” problem. Hence Fukuyama-esque.

I’m not sure “feasting on the carcass” (to unfairly re-purpose your of words) is even remotely a sustainable way forward, but that seems to be where we end up if we stop doing and making things and just contemplate our collective navel as to the crisis du jour… which pretty much summarises progressive thought these days.

Not a very bright picture on either side of the aisle for mine. Still, not as bleak as Sam Mitchell’s future, so there is that.

John H.
John H.
March 26, 2023 1:36 am

Mark from Melbournesays:
March 26, 2023 at 1:03 am
There are two viable paths out. The first is herrenvolk socialism, which is essentially what Howard engaged in with his middle class welfare and what Trump promised but did not deliver. The other would be something new. I don’t know what that is yet, need some thought.

Clever words, herrenvolk socialism. Populism is probably a less-pretentious term.

But, using your formulation, that can’t be a way forward anyway, if only because it runs into your “small government” problem. Hence Fukuyama-esque.

I’m not sure “feasting on the carcass” (to unfairly re-purpose your of words) is even remotely a sustainable way forward, but that seems to be where we end up if we stop doing and making things and just contemplate our collective navel as to the crisis du jour… which pretty much summarises progressive thought these days.

Not a very bright picture on either side of the aisle for mine. Still, not as bleak as Sam Mitchell’s future, so there is that.

Crisis what Crisis? Aren’t conservatives being overly pessimistic about their plight? Australians vote out bad governments and given enough time all governments go bad. I know there are political purists who insist that to be a true Labor or Liberal one must submit to certain policy positions but the greater Australian population are not political junkies and don’t think like them.

rickw
rickw
March 26, 2023 2:55 am

Paratrooper Mole’s helmet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHvKPh1H23s

Tom
Tom
March 26, 2023 4:00 am
Alamak!
Alamak!
March 26, 2023 4:51 am

Labor/Unions as “Technocrats” gave me a solid LOL … Labor found a new source of funds in Super, as vampires do, but no new source of bodies to pay the Union/Labor bills. The Industry funds unlisted investments which are way overvalued will come undone soon enough and Unions Super corruption will be revealed.

Labor waited a decade to get back into power and now is the end times for the QE-based asset inflation boom. Which kinda makes the Labor/Union/Green plans for IR, economy & climate an exercise in futility.

Wait for Liberals to comeback in 2025 and make the choices that have to be made i.e. cancel all renewables subsidies, allow all gas/coal exploration & export to pay the bills for all debts due, sack 50% of public servants and get rid of spending on NDIS and Native useless bureaucracies.

To mis-quote from Succession “Labor is playing in a playground and thinking its the world”.

Oh come on
Oh come on
March 26, 2023 5:22 am

I’m surprised people care, really. Will there be such a huge difference? Over the last couple of decades we’ve seen the Libs in government bargaining with the opposition over the manner in which it enacts the opposition’s agenda (which is set by a higher authority, but that’s another story).

Screw the Libs. Let ’em burn – they’re worse than useless as they purport to be the conservative alternative. They’re anything but, yet their continuing existence crowds out the possibility of an actual alternative gaining traction. I know the whole ‘illusion of choice’ thing is a bit of a cliche, but the Libs are particularly artless when it comes to maintaining this fiction.

They don’t deserve to govern. Good riddance.

Razey
Razey
March 26, 2023 6:25 am

They don’t deserve to govern.

Neither does labor.

Anchor What
Anchor What
March 26, 2023 6:50 am

“… it’s high time this unsavoury racist was given his marching orders from here.”
Thanks Cassie. It’s way past time and it’s something I’ve said for a long time, here and in the old place.

Robert Sewell
March 26, 2023 6:56 am

Alamak!:

Wait for Liberals to comeback in 2025 and make the choices that have to be made i.e. cancel all renewables subsidies, allow all gas/coal exploration & export to pay the bills for all debts due, sack 50% of public servants and get rid of spending on NDIS and Native useless bureaucracies.

You’re dreaming.

Robert Sewell
March 26, 2023 6:59 am

Oh Come On:

Screw the Libs. Let ’em burn – they’re worse than useless as they purport to be the conservative alternative. They’re anything but, yet their continuing existence crowds out the possibility of an actual alternative gaining traction.

A point I’ve been making for well on to a year. The Liberal/Labor Uniparty.
They think we can’t see what they’re doing.

Anchor What
Anchor What
March 26, 2023 7:00 am

When I’m Premier my first priority will be the teaching profession. As Richo said in his book “Whatever It Takes”, the first group a Labor operative consults when sussing out a new territory/town are the teachers.
Teachers, like most of the MSM, tend to lean left. Give them your kids five days a week and they’ll be indoctrinated before they hit the Finishing Schools aka universities.
As Premier I see the way the USA has achieved remarkable results. Their universities are now so loopy that classes will be told all about white privilege, endemic racism, toxic masculinity and the urgency of transgendering and, wait for it, abortion.
Yes, as Premier I will build up the teaching profession and make sure that everyone goes to university whether they want to or not. Everyone must have a useless degree of some sort, and learn to vote left.

Gabor
Gabor
March 26, 2023 7:00 am

Robert Sewell says:
March 26, 2023 at 6:56 am

Alamak!:

Wait for Liberals to comeback in 2025 and make the choices that have to be made i.e. cancel all renewables subsidies, allow all gas/coal exploration & export to pay the bills for all debts due, sack 50% of public servants and get rid of spending on NDIS and Native useless bureaucracies.

You’re dreaming.

Unfortunately, you are right, if they wanted to, they could’ve done all that years ago.
Under the current mindset of theirs it will never happen.

Miltonf
Miltonf
March 26, 2023 7:14 am

Also note note that libor preferenc ed the lieborals above phon to get keen filth over the line. Uniparty in action. Agree also that montypox’s spiteful antics disqualify him/her/it from posting here.

Miltonf
Miltonf
March 26, 2023 7:27 am

The political class like the meja is our enemy and unfortunately not enough people realise this.

132andBush
132andBush
March 26, 2023 7:36 am

Monty

Science moves on one funeral at a time, and if the Libs won’t change they are the next on the slab.

Utter failure of analysis as usual. Sprinkled with hefty dollops of fancy words to fill in the cracks between the bull$hit.

The problem with the conservative parties is THEY HAVE CHANGED!!

Miltonf
Miltonf
March 26, 2023 7:39 am

IMO the defeat of the Warringah motion was the point at which it was obvious that the lieborals in NSW at least were beyond reform. What’s the point of the lieborals? .1 money and nice jobs for connected people.
.2 stop a proper jobs n growth pro Australian political party from coming to power.

Dot
Dot
March 26, 2023 7:39 am

Wait for Liberals to comeback in 2025 and make the choices that have to be made i.e. cancel all renewables subsidies, allow all gas/coal exploration & export to pay the bills for all debts due, sack 50% of public servants and get rid of spending on NDIS and Native useless bureaucracies.

The only parties that will do anything like that are the LDP and PHON.

The LNP needs a dose of the green dream.

calli
calli
March 26, 2023 7:43 am

NSW lurches from LaborLite to Labor-Not-So-Lite. Will we actually notice a difference? This forum will be an excellent place to report and document changes as they occur.

There may be fewer words typed than we realise.

Dot
Dot
March 26, 2023 7:44 am

Jim Chalmers as a technocrat? Hmmm … that’s an unusual take. Especially from Goose Swansteen’s brains trust.

I agree Bear. Don’t you have to be smart to be a nerd? Otherwise, you’re just a dweeb.

Crossie
Crossie
March 26, 2023 7:46 am

Wait for Liberals to comeback in 2025 and make the choices that have to be made i.e. cancel all renewables subsidies, allow all gas/coal exploration & export to pay the bills for all debts due, sack 50% of public servants and get rid of spending on NDIS and Native useless bureaucracies.

You crack me up.

Dot
Dot
March 26, 2023 7:50 am

Turns out I voted for the four most popular minor parties.

https://abc.net.au/news/elections/nsw/2023/guide/lc-results

I frankly had no idea that Kelly was running. I almost voted for Bosi as a protest vote but couldn’t force my hand to mark a 5 above the line. I’m

calli
calli
March 26, 2023 7:57 am

I don’t think the ALP missed a beat when the unions supposedly lost power. They simply found them a new income stream.

Anyone who has anything to do with negotiating pay deals with say, the Nurses’ Union knows just how powerful some of them still are. And they flex their influence tirelessly.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
March 26, 2023 7:58 am

And yet De Santis is wildly popular by saying things the media would have us believe are unpopular. This is because De Santis delivers the the economic agenda that allows his voters to ignore the money tree appeal of socialist politicians.

Most of the population won’t die in a ditch over trans rights or climate change
once they’re assured their jobs and lives don’t hinge on assenting to the mantra.

Crossie
Crossie
March 26, 2023 8:01 am

Yesterday’s election showed us something, rich or upper middle class people can afford to vote green and woke. For proof see the Libs who retained their seats in Sydney’s northern suburbs.

Poorer electorates in western Sydney could no longer afford Liberals’ green policies so they voted Labor. Sadly they will find out that they can afford Labor’s green policies even less.

Dot
Dot
March 26, 2023 8:03 am

Wait for Liberals to comeback in 2025 and make the choices that have to be made i.e. cancel all renewables subsidies, allow all gas/coal exploration & export to pay the bills for all debts due, sack 50% of public servants and get rid of spending on NDIS and Native useless bureaucracies.

Why would this actually happen?

Morrison and Partothead closed down offshore drillling to suck to the Teals.

NSW is in about 125 bn AUD of debt as of now. Most of which was accumulated by the Liberals.

They won in a landslide in 2011 and did nothing.

They were toppled by bottles of wine and ukelekes.

If the debt grew to ~125 bn AUD, why should we trust them gem to sack public servants?

The NDIS is Federal and it was supported by Abbott. They have never cut spending on indigenous matters over a whole term of government. It’s always something symbolic and then shovelling cash like any other populist.

I will wait for Liberals to sign over their personal wealth to me before they come down like Valkyries to save us from a mess that is at least half their own doing.

Crossie
Crossie
March 26, 2023 8:08 am

Stuart Ayres lost his seat in Penrith because he scared the living daylights out of them by letting the government propose a 10 (or was it 15) minute city on the outskirts of his electorate. Glenmore Park residents are aspirational who want like their spacious houses in a leafy suburb not 10-story tower blocks over a railway line.

m0nty
March 26, 2023 8:14 am

If the strategy is simply to wait until Labor gets tired, the Libs might be waiting a while.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 26, 2023 8:15 am

Ed Casesays:
March 25, 2023 at 9:53 pm
Matt Kean comes across on the ABC as a sharp guy who keeps it real.

I’d say he’ll do well in Federal Politics.

Ed Casesays:
March 25, 2023 at 9:57 pm
Good grief, Parrothead is praising Minns to the skies.
Bottom line, tho:
He just didn’t have the goods.
They shoulda gone for broke after Gladys prolapsed and put The Keanster up.

As usual, Richard Cranium is shilling for the fascist green left.

Crossie
Crossie
March 26, 2023 8:17 am

Tanya Davies’ electorate is next to Stuart Ayres and she is safe. Moral of the story, represent your constituents.

Just a note, One Nation had about the same vote percentage in both electorates, almost double that of the Greens. The Greens preferences practically automatically go to Labor. Ayres could have won with One Nation preferences or their outright vote if he actually represented them. But it was more important to save the moderates’ seats in North Sydney. Enjoy, guys and girls.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 26, 2023 8:19 am

JCsays:
March 25, 2023 at 10:02 pm
Cassie of Sydney says:
March 25, 2023 at 9:56 pm

Wall to wall Labor, a complete f*cking nightmare.

Cassie, there’s an old adage in trading commodities that I think also applies to politics. Lower prices begat higher prices and higher prices begat lower prices. Wall to wall labor or liberal will eventually return the opposite.

IIRC, soon after KRuddy was installed, the senior elected Liberal in Australia was Campbell Newman as Lord Mayor of Brisbane, and the leftard shills like Dick Ed were gloating that the Liars would be in power for decades. Yet, not many years later, the situation had reversed.

The one sure thing with the fascist leftards is that they will overreach, and fall flat on their faces, sooner rather than later.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 26, 2023 8:25 am

Ed Casesays:
March 25, 2023 at 10:26 pm
Minns wife is a pog, the kids look unhappy.
Is he a Flamer?

No, he’s a Spook.

m0nty
March 26, 2023 8:26 am

The events of this week have underlined the fact that Cranky is completely out of touch with modern reality. A frightbat of the highest order, Mrs Mangel on pingas. No one of any note listens to her shrill opinion on anything. No wonder she is cranky.

Dot
Dot
March 26, 2023 8:27 am

The one sure thing with the fascist leftards is that they will overreach, and fall flat on their faces, sooner rather than later.

Just like what demonstrably happened to Beryl Gladishocklian, David Elliot VC (Uganda), Drab Buzzard & Scott Ukelele.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 26, 2023 8:27 am

m0ntysays:
March 25, 2023 at 10:44 pm
2PP estimate is 55-45 to Labor, a seven-point swing. Better than all the polls.

A complete destroyation, as Rex used to say.

Exxxxcelllllent. Before the Phoenix can arise from the ashes, it must be burned to ashes.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 26, 2023 8:32 am

Knuckle Draggersays:
March 25, 2023 at 11:28 pm
Just watched a bit of that NZ trannie footage.

It’s weird that an actual woman, campaigning that actual women should have their voices heard is physically smacked up and vocally drowned out by hairy blokes in dresses pretending to be women.

Attention all feminists: You own this.

AS do the leftards who went from screeching “Missssoygineeeee” to wailing “Trans women are women, women can have a penis”.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 26, 2023 8:33 am

IMO the defeat of the Warringah motion was the point at which it was obvious that the lieborals in NSW at least were beyond reform

Yep. Time for them to go. There is not yet a viable alternative. That won’t always be the case.

Razey
Razey
March 26, 2023 8:34 am

Cranky is completely out of touch with modern reality

What munty really means by ‘modern reality’ is gay sex and pedophilia.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 26, 2023 8:35 am

Franksays:
March 26, 2023 at 12:11 am
They need a long stretch in the wilderness to figure out a new way of presenting as a viable and logical party of government, because they are in a deep, deep hole at the moment.

Seems like those noises were made once before, when Rudd got voted in.

And in under a decade, the Liars were well on the back foot.

H B Bear
H B Bear
March 26, 2023 8:40 am

If the strategy is simply to wait until Labor gets tired, the Libs might be waiting a while.

12 years maybe? The election result can be explained almost entirely by the “it’s time” factor and the Opposition not being seen as an implausible option. Obeid and Macdonald are in gaol, their colleagues long gone. Job done.

Crossie
Crossie
March 26, 2023 8:40 am

Matt Kean saved his own seat but cost the Liberals the loss of other seats. But he is more important than everyone else.

m0nty
March 26, 2023 8:43 am

Perrotet’s policy of a wage freeze on public servants was also a big loser. Austerity is on the nose in a cost of living crisis.

Crossie
Crossie
March 26, 2023 8:45 am

Kerry Chikarovski on Sky is blaming Mark Latham for the Loberals’ loss, you see he is a wrecker.

Her other excuse is that the retiring members left it too late to announce which left too little time for the replacement candidates to make themselves known. That could be true but not enough to make a difference if their overall message wasn’t on the nose with the voters.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 26, 2023 8:46 am

m0ntysays:
March 26, 2023 at 12:35 am
What viable “change” could they possibly undergo?

Purging the joint of Christian dominionists would be a start. That is a big loser of a trend.

The pseudo-Catholic digs deep into his store of bigotry. He prefers the religion of Fascism.

Crossie
Crossie
March 26, 2023 8:49 am

Kerry Chikarovski will never again speak to Mark Latham. I’m sure Mark is just crushed over it.

Crossie
Crossie
March 26, 2023 8:53 am

If Minns was clever and had a sense of humour before the next election he could announce to build a wind turbine next to every mobile phone tower in North Sydney. The outraged shrieks will be heard in Sydney’s west and then Minns could accuse the Liberal moderates of not caring about achieving nett zero carbon emissions.

calli
calli
March 26, 2023 8:55 am

One Nation did reasonably well here. The Liberal candidate was three weeks in the job. Well done twits.

ON received around 3.2k to the Lib’s 4.6k, but Lab romped home with over 12k.

I wonder what voters will do when Tomago and other industries close their doors? At least they’ll have plans for a new high school at Medowie. Perhaps it can be a School for Excellence in survival skills, including form filling.

As for the failed Chicka, she’s on the same level as the Princess of Scotland Island. A grating noise in the dark, mumbling over lost glory.

Louis Litt
March 26, 2023 8:55 am

Fair shake 25/3 @ 11.00pm
Friday night Gepps Cross Alehouse $8.50 for a can of Furphy – $4.80 for a bottle of sparkling water – cheaper than a footy club

Crossie
Crossie
March 26, 2023 8:56 am

I am sick and tired of Liberals, and Perrottet in particular, encouraging people of NSW to get behind Minns. Why? Shouldn’t the incoming government get behind the people? This ” see, I’m so nice” posture just shows weakness. The most they needed to do is wish everyone good luck.

calli
calli
March 26, 2023 8:59 am

Why should I “get behind” anyone?

Politicians are elected to serve the public interest not the other way around.

We don’t have a dictatorship here…yet.

Real Deal
Real Deal
March 26, 2023 9:01 am

Tanya Davies’ electorate is next to Stuart Ayres and she is safe. Moral of the story, represent your constituents.

Correct Crossie. Tanya gives lie to the trope that the Liberals need to be more progressive to be relevant.

Diogenes
Diogenes
March 26, 2023 9:01 am

One commentator on Sky hit the nail on the head… For the last year the Liberals in NSW have been an absolute shitshow and gave as an example the Barrilaro job.

That they couldn’t find candidates is another sign. There were plenty of potentially winnable ALP seats, they needed to preselect a candidate at least a year out, and get them known to the electorate.

Obviously pissing off the rank and file also has an effect. Mrs Ds crones still on the Central Coast part of the Swansea electorate (Gorokan, Toukley, Budgewoi and points north) reported absolutely nobody handing out Lib htvs.

Tom
Tom
March 26, 2023 9:01 am

If Kean now becomes SFL leader — virtually inevitable with Perrotet quitting — the SFLs will have to spend at least another decade on the opposition benches until Kean gone before they can get back in government.

Kean is the biggest single reason the SFLs lost government yesterday. He’s not part of any solution.

As CL said here yesterday in fewer words, the religious frenzy about the need for unreliable electricity is a fantasy for athiests built on junk science. Carbon dioxide is a trace gas and does not drive global temperature.

But it was never about the weather or the power supply. The whole idea of the green dream is to bring down the capitalist free market by government edict.

calli
calli
March 26, 2023 9:02 am

The Libs weren’t a “good government that lost its way”.

They were a lousy government intentionally heading towards a cliff.

The only pity I feel is for those members who fought the zeitgeist and still went over. I have no mercy for the ones who pushed from behind and still retained their seats. They are an abomination.

Indolent
Indolent
March 26, 2023 9:02 am

Italians Refuse to ‘Eat Ze Bugs’

Our WEF overlords may want us to ‘eat ze bugs’ and be happy, but Italians are having none of it, as their Government has banned the use of insect flour in pizza and pasta.

They are actively trying to pollute the food supply.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 26, 2023 9:03 am

m0ntysays:
March 26, 2023 at 8:14 am
If the strategy is simply to wait until Labor gets tired, the Libs might be waiting a while.

History suggests otherwise. See R-G-R, six years was enough for the Liars to go beyond tired to exhausted.

Crossie
Crossie
March 26, 2023 9:04 am

As for the failed Chicka, she’s on the same level as the Princess of Scotland Island. A grating noise in the dark, mumbling over lost glory.

Kerry is also a political princess, her father is Greg Bartels who apart from being a one time North Sydney mayor also worked at the UN in NY for five years where the then primary school age Kerry met Robert Kennedy which inspired her to go into politics, as per Wikipedia.

Real Deal
Real Deal
March 26, 2023 9:05 am

Minns, like Perrottet seems a decent person. But like Perrottet he will not be allowed to think and act according to any private convictions. He will be captive to the factions and activists, just like his predecessor.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 26, 2023 9:05 am

Razeysays:
March 26, 2023 at 8:34 am
Cranky is completely out of touch with modern reality

What munty really means by ‘modern reality’ is gay sex and pedophilia.

Don’t forget women with a penis and drugs and trans surgery for minors.

Crossie
Crossie
March 26, 2023 9:05 am

as per Wikipedia

Hey, if it’s good enough for Pessuto it’s good enough for me.

johanna
johanna
March 26, 2023 9:06 am

I see that the Eeyores are out and about here, as usual.

Typically ahistorical, they apparently know nothing about the founding of the Liberal Party, which came out of splits and electoral failure.

No, no – the World Is Coming To An End!

Parrothead and Co. were hopeless at looking after the regions – in one seat there was a 35% swing against the sitting member. People whose lives had been ravaged by bushfires and floods were rightly furious at slow and sometimes non-existent responses from Macquarie Street. On the contrary, the regulatory requirements just made life harder for them. They couldn’t knock up a cheap temporary dwelling on their land while they were waiting for permission to rebuild their homes, for example. Better that they should live in their cars.

Still, for once it is Labor that is left with a lot of debt not of their making. See how they like it.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
March 26, 2023 9:06 am

If we take the OCEAN psych assessments seriously, progressives are more open to experience, more open to exploring new ideas, while conservatives are are followers.

Not so. In Marxist world, the one we live in today, ‘progressives’ are wide open to media-induced panic over things that aren’t happening and won’t happen – such as a Covid ‘pandemic’ requiring lockdowns or a frying planet requiring unproven so-called ‘renewables’.

The definitions of ‘progressive’ and ‘conservative’ seem very suss in this psych series when applied to mass-media ‘scientism’, i.e. manipulation of what should be scientific rationality. Political conservatives tend to be rationalists, realists and scientific empiricists. Political ‘progressives’ are scientifically credulous and very swayed by emotional appeals and utopian or catastrophic thinking.

m0nty
March 26, 2023 9:07 am

Man, I remember when big election losses on the Cat used to induce some level of humility. Not any more I guess, the bubble is too deep. Conservatism can never fail around here, it can only be failed.

Crossie
Crossie
March 26, 2023 9:09 am

Real Deal says:
March 26, 2023 at 9:05 am
Minns, like Perrottet seems a decent person. But like Perrottet he will not be allowed to think and act according to any private convictions. He will be captive to the factions and activists, just like his predecessor.

And if he doesn’t get a workable majority he will be beholden to Alex Greenwich. At that point his cleanskin image and family friendliness will become irrelevant. He will be expected to dance the Gladys jig with the degenerate Greenwich.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
March 26, 2023 9:10 am

Elon Musk tells employees to get back in office with 2:30 am memo

Twitter’s CEO Elon Musk sends memo to staff reminding them that ‘office is not optional’ as more companies move away from remote work

According to Platformer managing editor Zoë Schiffer, Musk emailed employees at 2:30 in the morning, writing that “office is not optional.” In the email, he complained that half of the San Francisco headquarters was empty the day before.

Musk is not a fan of remote work. Back in November, he ended Twitter’s work-from-home accommodations, telling employees within driving distance of the office that they needed to show up in person or consider their “resignation accepted.”

Last summer, he sent a similar note to his employees at Tesla, telling employees they were required to spend a minimum of 40 hours in the office per week. “Remote work is no longer acceptable,” was the subject line of that email.

Since his $44 billion acquisition of the social media platform, Musk has shown no qualms about showing the door to Twitter employees who aren’t down with his vision. He’s ordered several rounds of layoffs, both as a cost-cutting measure and as a means of excising those who don’t agree with the direction he’s taking the company.

Crossie
Crossie
March 26, 2023 9:12 am

Rowan Dean on Outsiders is now imploring Dutton to buck up and save the Liberal Party. In that case they are done.

lotocoti
lotocoti
March 26, 2023 9:12 am

Behold, the COVID memorial tree.

Dot
Dot
March 26, 2023 9:14 am

Kerry Chikarovski will never again speak to Mark Latham. I’m sure Mark is just crushed over it.

LOL

I wish she knew in advance to retire before she ran for Premier.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
March 26, 2023 9:17 am
Indolent
Indolent
March 26, 2023 9:18 am
Indolent
Indolent
March 26, 2023 9:23 am
Dot
Dot
March 26, 2023 9:23 am

m0nty says:
March 26, 2023 at 9:07 am
Man, I remember when big election losses on the Cat used to induce some level of humility. Not any more I guess, the bubble is too deep. Conservatism can never fail around here, it can only be failed.

You don’t even know what to criticise anymore. You’re like Buffy Summers in a world with no Big Bad.

However, that is correct and noting the absurdity does not make it untrue.

The Liberal Party betrayed its base. You’re about eight years at least off the pace, but it goes back to Fraser.

A lack of humility doesn’t mean we’re wrong.

I never joined the Liberal Party. I could see it was a walking corpse already.

Elected representatives work for us. When they have a mandate they don’t use and cave in on every issue, the condemnation will always be swift and to the balls.

Here’s the thing. I will give Minns a chance: deliver on his promises and make NSW fiscally responsible and give us back our civil liberties. If he doesn’t, he will get fairly criticised as well and champagne will pop when he is unceremoniously kicked to a political death via “spending more time with fam”.

bespoke
bespoke
March 26, 2023 9:24 am
Crossie
Crossie
March 26, 2023 9:24 am

Obviously pissing off the rank and file also has an effect. Mrs Ds crones still on the Central Coast part of the Swansea electorate (Gorokan, Toukley, Budgewoi and points north) reported absolutely nobody handing out Lib htvs.

At my polling station there were only Labor and Lib people handing out HTV leaflets, two very young guys who chatted amiably in between voters. No minor parties had anyone there or their signs on fences or corflutes. And even without any spruiking One Nation still got about 8.5% of the vote compared to the Greens’ 5%. Greens are irrelevant in Sydney’s west, on the other hand why would they go to any trouble when the two major parties are doing what the Greens want.

Cassie of Sydney
March 26, 2023 9:26 am

“The events of this week have underlined the fact that Cranky is completely out of touch with modern reality. A frightbat of the highest order, Mrs Mangel on pingas. No one of any note listens to her shrill opinion on anything. No wonder she is cranky.”

Oh dear, it seems the Jew hating misogynist pervert apologist gets up early to run to the keyboard to further gloat here on this blog. How utterly sad, it’s a Sunday morning and he should be spending time with his children. The thing is racist, IT’S YOU who’s completely out of touch with modern reality. By the way, as I wrote above, I think it’s high time you were given your marching orders from here. You gloat over women being physically attacked, that’s a low mark for any troll, and for any blog. Oh and does your wife know you’re a pervert apologist? Does your wife know you have no problems with biological males with penises in women and children’s safe spaces? Here’s my bet, probably not. Again I’ll state, you should be kept away from women and children, for their own safety. But let’s begin with you being kept away from this blog, because you’re a shit stain on it.

I’ll say this about “Numbers”, rain or sunshine he was at Sinc’s old site, plodding away. He didn’t just come when times were “good” for his side. No, but you? You’re so morally and intellectually bankrupt along with being such a grotesque and obscene grub, that you’re only “brave ” enough to come here and gloat when you deem things to be going well for your “side”. Well racist (and you are a racist), there’s an old adage that “the tide turns”, it’s basic science, much like females don’t have penises.

the Jew hating misogynist pervert apologist is gloating. He must have gotten up early to rush here to dribble his crap here.

No, many here listen to my opinions. In fact I have friends, something you clearly don’t have. I go to parties, to

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
March 26, 2023 9:28 am

The Voice

A Question That Trades on Ignorance

Peter Smith

On the verge of a confected blubber, tellingly befitting tragedy rather than triumph, Anthony Albanese explained that all Australians had to do was vote ‘yes’ to the referendum question:

A proposed law to alter the Constitution to recognise the first peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. “Do you approve this proposed alteration?”

This is entirely deceptive. Political shenanigans. Most people have not been following the ins and outs of the debate. I know, I’ve tested people whom I know.

The question explains nothing. Albanese is banking on snowing people; playing on their naivety; on their goodwill; on their emotions.

The referendum question should contain elements of the insertion to be made into the Constitution; and more, as I will explain, if voters are to be halfway informed. Below is the latest form of the proposed insertion. I have shown changes from the form originally proposed by the prime minister. Added words and changes to the order of words are shown in brackets, consequent deletions are shown as strike outs/(Bold).

There shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice.

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the parliament and the executive government [of the Commonwealth] on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.

The parliament shall, subject to this constitution, have power to make laws with respect to [matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its] the composition, functions, powers and procedures of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice.

The only change of substance is that the Parliament is no longer restricted to making laws on the composition, functions, powers and procedures of the Voice but can also make laws on other matters to do with the Voice. But, importantly, making representations to executive government remains a power of the Voice despite objections by the Attorney-General, and by a number of legal commentators who have retained their nous and common sense.

My point is not to do with basic objections to the Voice. Nonetheless, it bears repeating that it will give rights to one group denied to others purely on the basis of racial origin. Why this is acceptable in an enlightened democracy is beyond reason. Why it is supported by certain senior members of the legal fraternity is explicable only in a society gone badly wrong.

There are numbers of ways modern-day society has gone wrong. In this particular case, it comes down, I believe, to extoling victimhood. Lots of Aboriginal people have been convinced by contemptible leaders that they are victims without agency. It’s a hateful thing to have done; it brings people down; makes them mendicants. Robs them of their self-regard. As to legal eagles, don’t be fooled, not all of them are very bright (e.g., condemning Cardinal George Pell because in their view it wasn’t impossible for him to have done it?). Some are ambulance chasers seeing opportunities in victimhood. Many are thoroughgoing leftists intent on piling mischief and misery on civil society.

To my point and the stripped-down simplistic Voice referendum question. This was the question in the republic referendum of 1999.

A Proposed Law: To alter the Constitution to establish the Commonwealth of Australia as a republic with the Queen and Governor-General being replaced by a President appointed by a two-thirds majority of the members of the Commonwealth Parliament. “Do you approve this proposed alteration?”

This was the question in the 1967 referendum on the status of Aboriginal people.

Question. DO YOU APPROVE the proposed law for the alteration of the Constitution entitled— “An Act to alter the Constitution so as to omit certain words relating to the People of the Aboriginal Race in any State and so that Aboriginals are to be counted in reckoning the Population”?

Of course, the constitutional amendments themselves were more detailed but still the essential detail is in the questions. People who hadn’t closely followed the debate would have understood the substance of what they were voting for or against. Not so with the Voice.

The proposed question has no detail at all. It simply asks whether you approve of the Voice.

This wouldn’t be nearly solved by adding to the question part of the words proposed to be inserted into the Constitution (specifically the second paragraph). It would still leave the question short of essential detail, like how representatives constituting the Voice will be elected or selected and by whom. Here is a more informative question. Bear in mind that you might do better. I’m no expert at drafting referendum questions.

Cassie of Sydney
March 26, 2023 9:29 am

“I will give Minns a chance: “

As will I. I’m pretty sure Minns has a workable majority and won’t need to rely on the degenerate Greewich, which to me is a very satisfactory outcome.

Cassie of Sydney
March 26, 2023 9:31 am

What’s clear is that yesterday the Liberals poured money into seats like Hornby and Vaucluse to fend off Teals and other green left independents and by doing so gave electorates like Riverstone, an electorate filled with first home owners and tradies, an electorate that should represent the future of the Liberal Party, to Labor.

Credlin was right last night when dealing with that vacuous blond on the Sky panel

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 26, 2023 9:32 am

m0ntysays:
March 26, 2023 at 9:07 am
Man, I remember when big election losses on the Cat used to induce some level of humility. Not any more I guess, the bubble is too deep.

Hmmmm, which is worse, accepting the need for change, or rampant hubris over a victory that will, as in all politics, be only temporary?

Remember m0nty=fa, after Hubris comes Nemesis. See also Whitlam, Keating, R-G-R, Carr, someone forgettable, another forgettable, Bambi.

P
P
March 26, 2023 9:34 am

Don’t let women speak, especially not Moira Deeming
Why is the Liberal Party about to expel a woman for defending women’s rights?

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 26, 2023 9:38 am

Cassie

the Jew hating misogynist pervert apologist is gloating. He must have gotten up early to rush here to dribble his crap here.

He has to celebrate, this result has given him his first orgasm since May last year.

Cassie of Sydney
March 26, 2023 9:40 am

“Kerry Chikarovski on Sky is blaming Mark Latham for the Loberals’ loss, you see he is a wrecker.

Her other excuse is that the retiring members left it too late to announce which left too little time for the replacement candidates to make themselves known. That could be true but not enough to make a difference if their overall message wasn’t on the nose with the voters.

Kezza Chiko roll. LOL. An utter failure.

She might have a point about “retiring members” but again, the problem with the NSW Liberal hierarchy is that with many of the seats, they only nominated candidates weeks ago whereas Labor had men and women on the ground months ago.

Cassie of Sydney
March 26, 2023 9:44 am

Big shout out to Rabz for hosting a great election soiree last night. It was great.

m0nty
March 26, 2023 9:46 am

I have been here a lot longer than you Cranky. Through Trump and thin.

Your obsession with my wife is unseemly.

Diogenes
Diogenes
March 26, 2023 9:48 am

they only nominated candidates weeks ago whereas Labor had men and women on the ground months ago.

It’s not like they didn’t know the date of the election like 4 years ago !

Cassie of Sydney
March 26, 2023 9:49 am

“I have been here a lot longer than you Cranky. Through Trump and thin.

When things aren’t going well for your side, you rack off often enough.

Your obsession with my wife is unseemly.

Supporting and laughing about violence towards women “is unseemly”.

Dot
Dot
March 26, 2023 9:50 am

“Kerry Chikarovski on Sky is blaming Mark Latham for the Loberals’ loss, you see he is a wrecker.

Yes, but he also never joined the Gliberals.

This is a bit like Hockey blaming dwindling numbers mostly from AFL’s popularity on Rugby Union.

You poor stupid bastards.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
March 26, 2023 9:51 am

Once again munty fails comprehension 101. Wage freeze for pubic serpents is fine by the actual people that pay their wages, the private sector. Pubic serpents get wage and conditions far above anyone in the ptivate sector and almost can’t be sacked. A wage rise in the pubic sector is a crisis for the private sector, idjit. The private sector has to pay more tax for it.

lotocoti
lotocoti
March 26, 2023 9:53 am
GreyRanga
GreyRanga
March 26, 2023 9:55 am

BJ that’s not an orgasm, its the fat leaking out of Krispy Kremes.

Dot
Dot
March 26, 2023 9:56 am

Wage freeze?

Teachers in NSW after 10 years earn 113k and if they are judged proficient, with no management responsibilities, can earn 120k.

That is above average by 20k -30k and nearing on double the median salary.

duncanm
duncanm
March 26, 2023 9:58 am

m0nty says:
March 26, 2023 at 9:07 am
Man, I remember when big election losses on the Cat used to induce some level of humility. Not any more I guess, the bubble is too deep. Conservatism can never fail around here, it can only be failed.

m0nty – the problem is you think ‘conservatism’ is preserving everything as it is. That is also the trap that the slightly-dry dullards in the liberal party fall into. To whit, Morrison’s recent comments.

People like Tony Abbott, John Anderson, and more recently Mark Latham are the leaders we pine for – those who take conservative values and interpret them for the modern world.

I personally see value in this NSW loss. Hopefully Kean will be installed as leader, and either wither at the vine before the next election, or if he’s still there, be so soundly defeated that he retires with his tail between his legs.

As has been said here many times, the SFL’s need to wise up or be replaced by a true conservative party.

m0nty
March 26, 2023 9:59 am

Pubic serpents get wage and conditions far above anyone in the ptivate sector

No.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
March 26, 2023 10:03 am

Ukrainian forces still trying to hold Bakhmut despite heavy casualties

Soldiers and analysts suggest defending city has become more of a political than practical issue, as Russian push continues

Ukrainian soldiers are being pummelled on three sides by Russian forces who are trying to capture Bakhmut, a city in the eastern Donetsk region that has become the focus of the longest and one of the bloodiest battles since the war began.

Ukraine’s authorities insist they will continue to try to hold the city despite them suffering an estimated 100-200 casualties a day – with some saying the reason is more political and symbolic than practical. Retreating from the city now, after so many soldiers died fighting to keep it, would be a hard reality to face.

The Russian push for Bakhmut started in July and intensified in the autumn after Moscow mobilised thousands of men, many of whom were Russian prisoners who signed up with the promise of freedom after six months of service.

Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, told CNN in an interview that retreating from Bakhmut would “open the road” for Russian forces to attack the neighbouring Ukrainian-controlled towns of Kostiantynivka and Kramatorsk.

“I hope we don’t have to leave, but we will if [the frontline] comes to us,” said Dmytro Yakovensko, a doctor working in the children’s hospital in Kramatorsk. Kramatorsk has been relatively quiet in recent weeks, as Russian forces have concentrated their firepower on Bakhmut.

But soldiers on the ground and western analysts feel differently, with Ukraine’s heavy death toll being suggested as one of the reasons Ukraine’s leadership has been unwilling to give up – and also the reason it should.

“In my opinion, it’s political,” said Andriy, a deputy commander in Donetsk region whose battalion is fighting in the Bakhmut area. Andriy, in his US-made camouflage coat, was standing next to a set of Soviet-era armoured vehicles that were being fixed. “The positions are ready [for them] to retreat to. The reason they are still there is more of a political thing.”

In the second week of February, pictures of blown-up bridges out of Bakhmut, in Ukrainian-controlled territory, started to appear online, indicating that Kyiv was preparing its retreat from the city.

Military analysts have said the logical place for the new line would still be some way from the neighbouring towns of Kostiantynivka and Kramatorsk and would mean that Ukrainian soldiers would stop facing attacks from three sides at once. And the US-based Institute for the Study of War believes that even if the city falls, Russian forces lack the “capability to exploit the tactical capture of Bakhmut”.

Furthermore, although western officials have estimated that Russia has had 20,000-30,000 casualties, Ukraine’s losses in Bakhmut could have a significant effect on its future chances.

“What! So just give up? I came back with five men out of 20 two days ago, including myself,” he said. “If we do that, then we might as well just give the whole country away.”

During Zelenskiy’s surprise visit to Bakhmut in early February, he declared it “Fortress Bakhmut”.

However, Ukraine’s considerable losses in Bakhmut have even led some to describe it as a strategic mistake that may harm Ukraine’s hope of launching a successful counterattack in the spring.

A commander leading the troops around Bakhmut, speaking to the Wall Street Journal, said that Ukraine was using “too much of the offensive potential” that it would need once the ground dries and firms up in spring, when both sides will be able to use their heavy equipment.

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 26, 2023 10:03 am

This was the question in the 1967 referendum on the status of Aboriginal people.

Question. DO YOU APPROVE the proposed law for the alteration of the Constitution entitled— “An Act to alter the Constitution so as to omit certain words relating to the People of the Aboriginal Race in any State and so that Aboriginals are to be counted in reckoning the Population”?

That question was deceptive too.

At the time The Constitution was written, there were still nomadic Aboriginal people in Qld and W.A.
The concern was that those particular States would fudge the numbers to get more electorates.
By 1967 there were no nomadic Aboriginal people in Qld and maybe a few dozen in W.A.

cohenite
March 26, 2023 10:04 am

Dickless being thoughtful:

The Liberals have backed themselves into a corner.

Heads up arse is a corner I guess.

They currently represent the fossil fuel lobby, various other public funds arbitrageurs, evangelical Christians and… nobody else

Utter bullshit dickless. Matt kean, turdball, photios, parrothead are all evangelical alarmists and ruinables whores. Christians were expelled en masse from SA’s liberals; the real public fund sluts are the remaining unions through industry super which runs the biggest ponzi scheme this country has seen with $13 billion in annual subsidies to ruinables going to the unions and overseas grifters.

The libs have lost because they have given up any pretence of supporting conservative values: sex freaks run amuck, they support the screech and salivate at the alter of alarmism and ruinables. They’re a sickly version of the liars and filth.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
March 26, 2023 10:05 am

SITREP 3/24/23: Offensive Paranoia!
Offensives, offensives everywhere. Or not.

Simplicius The Thinker
Mar 25

Last time we left off, there was talk of the large AFU counter-offensive to unblock Bakhmut which was set to kick off wednesday or thursday of this week. Clearly it hasn’t come. There is now word that General Syrsky, the commander of AFU ground forces, has stated that the weather conditions are inclement. Rains are turning everything to mud and slush, and there are now whispers, including from Prigozhin himself, that the big counter-offensive has in fact been delayed to at least mid-April.

With that said, there’s still a lot to cover on that topic:

Ed Case
Ed Case
March 26, 2023 10:09 am

Teachers in NSW after 10 years earn 113k and if they are judged proficient, with no management responsibilities, can earn 120k.

Queensland 1964 – 60 years ago.
Primary School teachers were on 1,100 Pounds/year.
High School teachers 1,200 Pounds/year.

Now you’re saying they make that in a week in New South Wales?

Dot
Dot
March 26, 2023 10:11 am

Yes Ed.

Salaries for NSW public school teachers start at $75,791, but hit a maximum of $113,042. Highly accomplished or lead teachers receive a salary of $120,322.

That’s from the SMH this year.

MatrixTransform
March 26, 2023 10:14 am

Teachers in NSW after 10 years earn 113k

correct
a relation of ours is a Lead teacher in NSW and his salary is in the order of 120K

John H.
John H.
March 26, 2023 10:14 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
March 26, 2023 at 9:06 am
If we take the OCEAN psych assessments seriously, progressives are more open to experience, more open to exploring new ideas, while conservatives are are followers.

Not so. In Marxist world, the one we live in today, ‘progressives’ are wide open to media-induced panic over things that aren’t happening and won’t happen – such as a Covid ‘pandemic’ requiring lockdowns or a frying planet requiring unproven so-called ‘renewables’.

The definitions of ‘progressive’ and ‘conservative’ seem very suss in this psych series when applied to mass-media ‘scientism’, i.e. manipulation of what should be scientific rationality. Political conservatives tend to be rationalists, realists and scientific empiricists. Political ‘progressives’ are scientifically credulous and very swayed by emotional appeals and utopian or catastrophic thinking.

Conservatives also engage in catastrophism. Rolling blackouts that still haven’t happened but wait, they will! The Left wants to destroy capitalism. If they wanted to do that the GFC was the perfect opportunity and they did the exact opposite. The lockdowns will cause a wave of suicides. Trans will destroy women’s sport, SSM will destroy the institution of marriage, the loss of religion will lead to anarchy, the vaccines will lead to widespread pathologies, the restrictions of the pandemic will become permanent. The deep state is manipulating everything. How many times should Australia, Japan, and the USA have gone broke now? Anyone keeping count on those predictions?

Politics is humorous because so many are declaring that their opponents will destroy us yet year on year out life continues.

That is politics after all ….

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

H. L. Mencken.

OCEAN doesn’t define political categories. The metrics are used to demonstrate qualities of the person. Openness, Conscientious, Extraversion, Agreeableness, Neuroticism. Then when matched against their voting preferences the pattern emerges. Will anyone object to conservatives being more conscientious and less neurotic? If I had mentioned that no-one would be complaining. To a certain degree it correlates with MBTI profiles. These tests are silly in a way because they only reveal what the person should already know.

m0nty
March 26, 2023 10:14 am

m0nty – the problem is you think ‘conservatism’ is preserving everything as it is. That is also the trap that the slightly-dry dullards in the liberal party fall into. To whit, Morrison’s recent comments.

People like Tony Abbott, John Anderson, and more recently Mark Latham are the leaders we pine for – those who take conservative values and interpret them for the modern world.

I appreciate the effort to engage with my point but that doesn’t make much sense, duncan. If Mark Latham is the answer, you’re asking the wrong question.

I acknowledge that conservatism is not – or should not be- just about inertia. How do conservative values get reinterpreted in a modern world and still resonate with the electorate as it stands now? They have lost the leafy suburbs set to the Greens and Teals. Labor still has a stranglehold on the working class vote, that won’t change any time soon. The Libs have also ticked off the middle classes with their austerity mantra. Every culture war battle is lost by the Tories in our diverse, multicultural, secular modern population. The conservative message has run out of currency.

Trump-style populism is a crock. Trump governed as an Establishment Republican, with tax cuts for the rich and an attempt to dismantle health entitlements. I don’t think there are many in the Liberals with an appetite for a return to Howard-era welfare, and they wouldn’t have the surplus to burn on it anyway.

A purge of the god-botherers and coal lobbyists would leave the Party with no constituency at all, but I think that’s the first step that needs to happen before figuring out what to do next.

Miltonf
Miltonf
March 26, 2023 10:15 am

Chiko roll (good name Cassie) demonstrates what’s wrong with the lieborals and that she has always been part of the problem. People like her make me loathe the lieborals even more than the liars.

Roger
Roger
March 26, 2023 10:16 am

“Kerry Chikarovski on Sky is blaming Mark Latham for the Loberals’ loss, you see he is a wrecker.”

A broad church acolyte of John Howard, the great wrecker.

Last heard of on The Dumb, accepting a fee to be the token Liberal.

m0nty
March 26, 2023 10:17 am

Poll Bludger update on NSW upper house:

19% of enrolled has been counted in the upper house, and it looks as if Labor will win eight of 21 up at this election, the Coalition six, the Greens two, and one each for One Nation, Legalise Cannabis, the Liberal Democrats, the Shooters and Animal Justice. This would give the left-wing parties the 12-9 win they need to take control of the upper house, but the current count is probably skewed to the left.

duncanm
duncanm
March 26, 2023 10:20 am

Ed Casesays:
March 26, 2023 at 10:09 am
Teachers in NSW after 10 years earn 113k and if they are judged proficient, with no management responsibilities, can earn 120k.

Queensland 1964 – 60 years ago.
Primary School teachers were on 1,100 Pounds/year.
High School teachers 1,200 Pounds/year.

Now you’re saying they make that in a week in New South Wales?

did your Dr slap you too hard on your way into the world?
https://education.nsw.gov.au/teach-nsw/explore-teaching/salary-of-a-teacher

.. and monster – you fail to consider perks like regional incentives, rent subsidy, salary packing, 17.5% leave loading, etc etc.

I just looked at White Cliffs PS: Benefits (on top of salary) of up to $75k
Rural teacher incentive(less value of rental subsidy, where applicable) $25,000/ann
Rental subsidy (deducted from rural teacher incentive, where applicable) 90%
Retention benefit (up to 10 years) $5,000/ann
Experienced teacher benefit (up to 5 years) $10,000/ann
Recruitment bonus (if applicable) $20,000
Stamp duty relief (if applicable) $10,000
Relocation benefit up to $5,000

etc etc

Roger
Roger
March 26, 2023 10:21 am

Labor still has a stranglehold on the working class vote, that won’t change any time soon.

Mmm…yes.

Just ask Bill Shorten how effective that stranglehold was in regional QLD in 2019.

  1. There is no negotiating with sub human, low IQ barbarians. Continue the offensive until there is no movement… no other…

  2. I am not happy that you should post this at this time when I’m in the process of sorting out…

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