Open Thread- Weekend 6 May 2023


In the Crimea. After a Rain, Fyodor Vasilyev, 1873

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Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 8, 2023 9:02 am

welcome to “not an expert just posting it for fun” hour

duncanm
duncanm
May 8, 2023 9:03 am

The problem, a farm cannot continue beyond the founder or a small business. Nothing would ever become like General Motors or Ford if everything must be confiscated to be fair.

I find Armstrong generally a little on the nutty end of the spectrum, but the above has been pointed out by greater minds in the past.

As Weaver argues, legal protection of private property is the ‘last metaphysical right’ which has saved the West from totalitarianism (of any flavour). It is the last right which has no test of social usefulness, and is our last domain of privacy from the state.

The EU is busy trying to destroy that through environmentalism (Nitrogen arguments to kill off small farmholdings), in other countries, governments work on the death-tax angle.

Johnny Rotten
May 8, 2023 9:04 am

Dr Faustussays:
May 8, 2023 at 8:53 am
Currently a brutal 12° in Brisbane (feels like 11°). Mrs Faustus has the heating on.

This is the direct result of climate change mitigation. I feel the need for an apology, a Royal Commission, a statutory body of Top Men to advise on the commercial opportunities and, of course, compensation.

Fortunately. Australia is moving further north towards the Equator every year (the Plate movements). But only by a few millimetres a year. If you live to be a few hundred million years older, it will warm up nicely.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 8, 2023 9:05 am

the daily exposé …

gas strut failures linked to covid 19 vaxes

Roger
Roger
May 8, 2023 9:05 am

Australia’s political caste:

Premier Chris Minns has offered Nationals MP Ben Franklin the plum job of President of NSW’s Legislative Council.

Franklin would gain an annual pay rise of c. $150,000, staff of three, access to a private dining room & a limousine with a chauffeur. However, the loss of his vote would hamstring the coalition in the upper house.

Franklin is believed to be godparent to at least one of Minns’s children.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 8, 2023 9:05 am

duk, overnight:

My point is that speeding *cannot* be a crime unless there is a victim

Apparently and I heard on the radio the other day* that speeding and these sorts of things are not crimes. Crimes, unless in certain specific circumstances do indeed need a victim.

As a basic example, to steal you need to pinch something that belongs to someone else. If you steal a handbag from a table in a food court, the victim is the owner of that handbag. If it’s a roast chook from Colesworths, then until you pay for it Colesworths owns it.

Speeding, along with most of the traffic stuff and what used are offences. That is because they are regulatory in nature. Most State and Territory legislation have a Summary Offences Act which covers things like pissing in the street, wanking in public, disorderly behaviour and so on. None of these offences necessarily have victims, although you may have people offended by that behaviour.

However, they’re not crimes. They’re in the States’ Crimes Act or Criminal Code or a similarly-titled big book. Both crimes and offences will attract the jacks’ attention, but they’re categorised differently.

*6PR.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 8, 2023 9:06 am

callisays:
May 8, 2023 at 8:35 am
Did they have slaves in California? I thought it was a non-slavery state when it entered the Union. Are these a different sort of slave?

Slaves to Greed and Envy.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 8, 2023 9:06 am

stuff and what used

Apologies. Bloody chemtrails.

Crossie
Crossie
May 8, 2023 9:07 am

Knight’s cartoon wins it for me this morning.

Indolent
Indolent
May 8, 2023 9:08 am
eric hinton
eric hinton
May 8, 2023 9:11 am

Eyriesays:
May 8, 2023 at 8:40 am
Country road speed limits were introduced in the early seventies in most states.

Early 1967 in WA.

Rumour has it a Mini Cooper still holds the record, Xxxxxxxup to Perf.

Johnny Rotten
May 8, 2023 9:11 am

Sancho Panzersays:
May 8, 2023 at 9:02 am
welcome to “not an expert just posting it for fun” hour

As always, Mrs Stencho Pantyhose, you have it all wrong again. But the fun bit will go for many hours. Keep reading and learn something.

Frank
Frank
May 8, 2023 9:12 am

Is there anything covid vax can’t do.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 8, 2023 9:12 am

Stevie T, overnight:

all those 2000+ odd people in Perth that like the clips I post…THANKYOU

I knew there was a weird vibe in Perth when I was there in December.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 8, 2023 9:12 am

Unless, of course, someone has been interpreting laughing emojis as ‘likes’.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 8, 2023 9:13 am

Keep reading and learn something.

How to go to jail for eleven years?

flyingduk
flyingduk
May 8, 2023 9:14 am

Duk, where do you get the idea that a crime requires injury to a particular person?

From my libertarian life philosophy Dover:

‘Don’t hurt people, don’t take their stuff’

If an action of mine does neither of those things to you, its none of your business and does not affect you. If it does, I have wronged you and you can seek redress. I can’t think of a single ‘crime’ which is an exception to that.

But my bigger point was that sanctioning things I do on the premise that they *might* hurt you or your stuff at some unspecified time in the future sets a dangerous precedent because it equates to sanctioning Orwells ‘thought crime’. It also feeds into the last 3 years where we shut down all of society on the premise that one citizens actions (going about their lives) *might* harm another (grandma). We did this without acknowledging the reciprocal risk – grandma restricting my life harmed me.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 8, 2023 9:14 am

Daily Mail, Citizens of Rockhampton have had a gutful.

Angry mob of Aussies take justice into their own hands and show up on the doorsteps of alleged criminals: ‘The justice system keeps letting them off’

Angry mob of about 100 took justice into their own hands
Vigilantes led by former One Nation candidate Torin O’Brien

Crossie
Crossie
May 8, 2023 9:15 am

Robert Sewell says:
May 8, 2023 at 7:43 am
Leftist Reporter: It is “Bourgeois” to Want to Feel Safe on Public Transit

Soon it will be “Bourgeois” to have a job, a house or a place to live. It’s already too “Bourgeois” to have a car.

What this idiot doesn’t realise that being a reporter or a “journalist” is the most “Bourgeois” of all, “real” people just use social media.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
May 8, 2023 9:15 am

Swedish struts took thirty years to fade away.
Celestial struts evaporated in a month.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 8, 2023 9:15 am

welcome to “not an expert just posting it for fun” hour

What happened to I am am expert and hardly post at all hour?

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 8, 2023 9:17 am

When the State doesn’t do it’s job you get Somalia.

bespoke
bespoke
May 8, 2023 9:17 am
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 8, 2023 9:17 am

NINE coppers, standing guard outside the house of one of the suspected crims.

Indolent
Indolent
May 8, 2023 9:17 am

This is a follow-up concerning DeSantis to the Sundance item on The Battle within the Club linked above.

There are None-So-Blind as Those Who Refuse to See

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 8, 2023 9:27 am

Roger says:
May 8, 2023 at 8:30 am

No wonder this place is stuffed.

You should see the rest of the world.

Roger,

Oz still a great place & was one of the discussions on a Beautiful Sydney Sunny Day
last Thursday Lunch at Thai Pothong Restaurant Newton with my Accountaant of 37 years,
reminiscing re Life over a bottle of Tyrells Vat 1 Semilion (his contribution) & Penfolds St Henri
Shiraz 2017 (my contribution)

I had caught bus from Balgowlah over Bridge then train to newly renovated Newton Station and as we both agreed, Australia has been enhanced by its multi cultural enviornment – when asked re what I thought of Newton (he lives in Erskinville), I felt it had not much changed from my days at St John’s College Sydney Uni early 60s

Also agreed that being in the Southern Hemisphere, nice to be a long way from the North, and as our National Anthem states “Our Land Abounds in Nature’s Gifts Of Beauty Rich and Rare”

After 2 entrees each, we both went with BBQ Combo, and I had to admit defeat – could not eat all, but did finish BBQ 2 lamb cutlets, BBQ Pork only made half the BBQ Chicken

https://www.thaipothong.com.au/newtown/menus/dinner/specials-menu

Coming Home, changed trains at Central – really evolving into an excellent station, then train to St Leonards over Bridge and 144 bus home – as I came up Battle Boulevard Seaforth, the view back to the Heads was Stunning

We live in a Great Country

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 8, 2023 9:27 am

H B Bearsays:

May 8, 2023 at 9:17 am

When the State doesn’t do it’s job you get Somalia.

you just get the feeling that this isn’t what totally free range libertarians imagine their utopia to be

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
May 8, 2023 9:28 am

While I agree with you Wally, the stuff on the shelves mostly comes from overseas anyway with the huge mark up. Anyone with some nous should get into an artisanal hobby. This is where you can develop skills. People are tired of buying poor quality for top price. One of my mates used to be a mechanical engineer but has turned to woodworking. Made some dining tables after doing one for himself. 75 mm thick out of laminated native timbers. He does a portable work bench that comes apart for transporting. The quality of the workbench is similar to the dining tables. The dining table is sanded to a higher standard. He now makes 4 at a time and assembles them as required. He’s working on a spiral staircase thats going to be worth about a $100k. He puts the work into working out how to make one suit differing heights, not just one offs. Another guy I know buys up old machinery and repairs it. Rents it out or sells it. These guys didn’t start out to make a full time job out of it, only for interest sake and a bit of cash on the side. Has developed into something worthwhile without the pressure of having to perform for clients and only suit themselves. Years ago we used to spend 10%of income on developing business. Then wife said no more but would give an hour free talking to the top decision maker about their problems. Money saved and more work resulted.

m0nty
m0nty
May 8, 2023 9:28 am

Which fictional character would do a better job of leading the Festering (Liberal) Zombie Party of Australia, at either state or federal level?

The Pied Piper.

calli
calli
May 8, 2023 9:31 am

Ben Slipper Franklin?

Is he bivalval or a strictly monopodial mollusc?

Roger
Roger
May 8, 2023 9:33 am

Also agreed that being in the Southern Hemisphere, nice to be a long way from the North

The tyranny of distance definitely has a positive aspect.

Crossie
Crossie
May 8, 2023 9:35 am

Dr Faustus says:
May 8, 2023 at 8:09 am
In Self-awareness news:
Taylah Gray, lawyer and member of the First Nations Advisory Council, said seeing the crown placed on King Charles’ head had “set a sour mood”.
“I know the crown represents power and authority, but you know leadership is not something that should be inherited from your bloodline. Leadership is earned from the people.

So why then do you want your “voice” to be enshrined in the constitution and not earned from the people in the form of an election? No self awareness at all.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 8, 2023 9:39 am

LAST REFUGE OF A SCOUNDREL

Dr. Johnson was wrong. The last refuge of a scoundrel is not patriotism, i.e, the love of one’s own country. Rather, the scoundrel’s last refuge is contempt for his own country, camouflaged by an insincere devotion to another nation.

Thus, we had the spectacle of “Dr.” Jill Biden attending the coronation of King Charles III–an inspiring event, for completely different reasons–along with one of her granddaughters, wearing not the colors of the United States, but those of Ukraine:

The Mirror called this “a display of solidarity with Ukraine.”

OK, fine: but what we really want from the Biden administration is a display of solidarity with the United States. That, unfortunately, we will never get. Liberals are incapable of patriotism, i.e., showing love and loyalty toward the country of which they are citizens.

They haven’t supported the United States in a war since WWII. They like to flaunt their support for Ukraine, because they think it shows they are not effete pacifists, while not actually committing them to any action that could be considered warlike.

“Dr.” Jill attended the coronation because Joe was too busy feeble to make the trip <em>(Could Not, Not Shit his Pants because could not last 3 hours between imposed Westminister Toilet Break) – just ask the Pope! .

Next time a president visits a foreign nation on an important affair of state, let’s hope he comes as a representative of the United States and not some other country.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 8, 2023 9:41 am

Taylah Gray, lawyer and member of the First Nations Advisory Council, said seeing the crown placed on King Charles’ head had “set a sour mood”.

“I know the crown represents power and authority, but you know leadership is not something that should be inherited from your bloodline. Leadership is earned from the people.

Whereas the taxpayers largesse can be sprayed about like an incontinent blue whale on a meth and Metamucil bender based entirely on a miniscule % of claimed Abo heritage.

flyingduk
flyingduk
May 8, 2023 9:44 am

you just get the feeling that this isn’t what totally free range libertarians imagine their utopia to be

Anarchy doesn’t mean no rules, it means no rulers.

I get on excellently with my neighbours not because I am following a state sanctioned play book, but because I have established personal relationships with them, respect them and act accordingly. It means I am personally accountable to them and them to me. This is why small communities work and big cities dont, socially speaking.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 8, 2023 9:45 am

Where in the world is Joe Biden?

President Biden launched his reelection campaign recently with an unconventional video that looked like it was produced by former “West Wing” producer Aaron Sorkin.

The video shows an invigorated Biden shaking hands and embracing Americans from across the ethnic and racial spectrum. It also features plenty of his otherwise largely invisible vice president, Kamala Harris, who doesn’t speak during the video but sure appears to love working with the president.

Despite the campaign relaunch, there hasn’t yet been much in the way of traditional campaigning. Much like 2020, Biden has preferred to lay low and away from the stump while mostly avoiding the press.

Biden kidded about his aversion to the press at the White House Correspondents dinner last week.

“In a lot of ways, this dinner sums up my first two years in office. I’ll talk for 10 minutes, take zero questions and cheerfully walk away,”</em> Biden said during remarks at the dinner.

The massive ballroom at the Washington Hilton roared with laughter, seemingly not realizing that the president was laughing at them, not with them.

Biden usually doesn’t have what one would call a full schedule.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 8, 2023 9:46 am

Eg: Look at this Nigel, whos paying for this cock to be in the UN finding new and creative ways to white-ant Australia?

Indigenous elder Leslie Schultz finds voice at United Nations, while pushing for Voice to Parliament at home

The common thread in all these stories is the desire to be given effectively a veto right via the “treaty” to gain more access to other peoples munni.

Crossie
Crossie
May 8, 2023 9:50 am

Premier Chris Minns has offered Nationals MP Ben Franklin the plum job of President of NSW’s Legislative Council.
Franklin would gain an annual pay rise of c. $150,000, staff of three, access to a private dining room & a limousine with a chauffeur. However, the loss of his vote would hamstring the coalition in the upper house.
Franklin is believed to be godparent to at least one of Minns’s children.

I get the feeling that he is a National only because a Labor candidate couldn’t get elected.

Roger
Roger
May 8, 2023 9:50 am

Taylah Gray, lawyer and member of the First Nations Advisory Council, said seeing the crown placed on King Charles’ head had “set a sour mood”.

‘After failing every legal studies assessment and exam in her high school years, 24-year-old Wiradjuri woman and lawyer Taylah Gray is defying the odds of her past, and about to undertake a PhD in law.

Her doctorate will be focused on Native Title and sovereignty.

After failing to attain the required grades for admission into university, Ms Gray instead completed an Indigenous foundation course at the University of Newcastle, which facilitated her entry into law school.’

SBS

Roger
Roger
May 8, 2023 9:51 am

I get the feeling that he is a National only because a Labor candidate couldn’t get elected.

He reportedly began his political career as a Young Liberal.

dopey
dopey
May 8, 2023 9:53 am

All this coronation/colonisation carry on. Who made the decision to establish the penal settlement, the king or the government? Just wondering.

Muddy
Muddy
May 8, 2023 9:53 am

Steve Trickler: Hope you’re doing O.K mate.

(I haven’t the faintest what is happening. Sometimes not being the sharpest tool in the shed has benefits!).

m0nty
m0nty
May 8, 2023 9:54 am

Trump played golf 307 times during his presidency, once every five days.

Biden plays golf once every month or two.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 8, 2023 9:54 am

Ahem:

I know the crown represents power and authority, but you know leadership is not something that should be inherited from your bloodline. Leadership is earned from the people.

This, from a ‘lawyer’ representing a significant faction that want leadership, and the accompanying power and cash, that is inherited from bloodlines instead of from the people.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 8, 2023 9:55 am

I get on excellently with my neighbours …

and when you inevitably bump up against someone who demands more of you than you think is fair?

like moving your fences

re-wilding your chooks and cows

hooking up to your water supply

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 8, 2023 9:55 am

Biden plays golf once every month or two.

Yes.

Accompanied by a giant Easter Bunny to tell him which way the fairway is.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 8, 2023 9:57 am

We live in a Great Country

We do.
Which is why the outrage at the bastards that treat it carelessly as a personal chattel, or a dunny door on which to write up their grievances.

Roger
Roger
May 8, 2023 9:58 am

Biden plays golf once every month or two.

He works six hours a day…if that.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 8, 2023 9:58 am

This is why small communities work and big cities dont, socially speaking.

People’s collective choices have given us Sydney and Melbournibad. Could never live in Sydney, Melbournibad under a temporary ban. I did 3 weeks In Margaret River and almost died of boredom. I concede it would be different if you lived there. Each to their own.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 8, 2023 9:59 am

After failing every legal studies assessment and exam in her high school years, 24-year-old Wiradjuri woman and lawyer Taylah Gray is defying the odds of her past, and about to undertake a PhD in law.

Is this PhD in tribal law? I ask because this varies from tribe to tribe. It would be incredibly difficult to put together a PhD containing a cogent thread through over 300 separate systems.

Unless, of course, there was a finding at the end that one law for everyone would be far more beneficial.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 8, 2023 10:02 am

How’s your reverse pivot going mUnty? Time for a new action shot. Try not to look like a slob. Get JC to take you shopping.

Roger
Roger
May 8, 2023 10:02 am

Is this PhD in tribal law?

British law.

The ironing.

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 8, 2023 10:04 am

‘Dr’ Jill has ‘slag’ written all over her.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 8, 2023 10:05 am

You suspect Taylah’s love of tribal law would wane when she was given to an elder. Stone Age culture has its downsides.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 8, 2023 10:06 am

The big transmission build plan put to analysis.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/new-links-could-turn-victoria-into-energy-importer-solar-and-storage-would-be-cheaper/

AEMO is the instrument for big players in the green energy sector to plug into guaranteed inflation adjusted returns, courtesy of our governments.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 8, 2023 10:06 am

KD likely said it above, but the speed limit in the NT has been dropped from “Open” to 130 kph in some sections.

From memory it was when Labor regained power after the only CLP government for many years lost office. It was a big argument at the time. The two dentists in their Ferrari had cancelled the Cannonball Run with their fatal crash some time before, and while not relevant it added to the argument.

I remember at one talk on the subject a senior NT Police officer arguing in his private capacity that open speed was a good idea as it meant less time driving and therefore lowered the fatigue factor. Good point.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 8, 2023 10:08 am

Ruh roh. Zero upticks. We know it’s you Groogs.

rosie
rosie
May 8, 2023 10:15 am

Speeding and all other road laws are victimless crimes and should be immediately abolished.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 8, 2023 10:15 am

You suspect Taylah’s love of tribal law would wane when she was given to an elder. Stone Age culture has its downsides.

Given to an elder at puberty. If she survived giving birth three or four times, and he was tired of her, she would be passed on to the young men of the tribe, to teach them the facts of life. She would be left behind to die, when the tribe “moved on” and she couldn’t keep up. Stone Age culture has very few, if any, up sides.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 8, 2023 10:16 am

Does anyone here know Evangeline Lilly?

A tweet of hers:

“Why are we only applauding masculinity in women and villainizing it in men?

And why are we only applauding femininity in men and debasing it in women?”

Muddy
Muddy
May 8, 2023 10:19 am

Hypothetical.
An indigenous ‘nation’ within Australia has been established: its own symbolism paralleling the host nation (but morally superior, of course), parallel ministries, institutions, etc., all funded by the former raycist, colonial oppressor.
Here’s the question: How do they handle internal security and stability? How do they ensure that only the chosen few benefit from the largesse, and the 98% of the population that constitute the new serfs, remain submissive, ignorant, and in fear?

What form of internal security apparatus will they employ, and which historical examples might they seek to emulate?

(At first read, this might sound like science fiction, but how far away do we think such a situation might be?).

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 8, 2023 10:20 am

Top Ender says:
May 8, 2023 at 10:06 am

KD likely said it above, but the speed limit in the NT has been dropped from “Open” to 130 kph in some sections.

I remember at one talk on the subject a senior NT Police officer arguing in his private capacity that open speed was a good idea as it meant less time driving and therefore lowered the fatigue factor. Good point.

Top Ender,

when driving in 4WDs in NT due abysmal aerodynamics & increase in fuel consumption, usually sat around 115Km per Hr – not many came past

We should adopt Europe (obviously excludes Germany) Standard – 130 Km/hr – if raining 110 Km/Hr

Going downHume to Melbourne is painful slow long line of creeping cars at 110 Km/hr looking to overtake

If made 130/110 Km/Hr, would be stringing out of vehicles, as people would adapt to what they felt comfortable with, and much safer.

rosie
rosie
May 8, 2023 10:22 am

My country fam had delightful neighbours who turned part of their property into a motor bike track for their kids.
Revving and buzzing all day was a blissful experience for their neighbours too.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 8, 2023 10:25 am

Biden plays golf once every month or two.

would b more often but for the times he turns up at the golf course with his tennis racquet

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 8, 2023 10:26 am

Those days are gone Rosie.
You’d void all your public liability insurance.
Sad but true.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 8, 2023 10:34 am

The trouble with travelling at 130kph for hours on boring roads (as I found after dumping my bike having slowed to maybe 30kph) is you lose all sense of speed. There are places and times when it would be perfectly safe and other times when it would be dangerous. When you crash every kph hurts.

cohenite
May 8, 2023 10:38 am

OK – if speeding ‘creates many victims’ … name just one, it should be easy – no, not a victim who was created by a *crash* whilst speeding, name one who was made a victim solely by the act of some one else’s speeding, because speed enforcement criminalises speeding, not an accident that occurred whilst speeding.

My point was an act can be reasonably classified as an offence/crime because as DB said it impacts on public order and has an instructive effect on others: ie he’s speeding so I will to. The potential of the act to have a victim is part of that but the primary point is social order and the effect on dickheads who will use the victimless act as an excuse for them to do it to.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 8, 2023 10:42 am

Speeding and all other road laws are victimless crimes and should be immediately abolished.
Speeding is just for revenue raising to pay the wages of the coppers and other parasitic public servants. We used to hang Highwaymen and display the dangling bodies by the roadside as a warning to others. Now we give them uniforms and the right to rob the public.
Having said that, it might be a good idea to agree on which side of the road to drive and who has right of way under which circumstances.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 8, 2023 10:43 am

The sign you are going too fast is when you feel the rear wheel come up under braking.

Lysander
Lysander
May 8, 2023 10:44 am

He works six hours a day…if that.

I think using the word “work” and Biden in the same sentence is a tad bit too generous. But, he does like his reward: Scratch and sniff kids.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 8, 2023 10:45 am

The trouble with travelling at 130kph for hours on boring roads (as I found after dumping my bike having slowed to maybe 30kph) is you lose all sense of speed

Same happens at 100 or 110 kph but at 130 kph you spend less time doing it.

flyingduk
flyingduk
May 8, 2023 10:47 am

Reckless endangerment, for instance, involves conduct that may cause serious injury or death but it’s not at some unspecified time in the future but then and there, where you performed the reckless act.

And if you punish the outcome (someone else is harmed) not the input (someone else might be harmed), you have an elegantly self regulating system (if your actions are risky to others, you will be punished in direct proportion to how much risk you place them at).

This admittedly likely means some people get harmed who might not have been had your behaviour been modified a priori, but that needs to be balanced against the current system which harms citizens who might never cause injury to others – eg by fining them for exceeding an a velocity limit set by decree.

The argument mirrors the gun control argument – gun control laws harm law abiding citzens, not criminals. A large number of citizens have their freedoms restricted by laws which they obey, wheras those who dont, are unaffected.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 8, 2023 10:48 am

Given the state of many of our major roads and highways aka goat tracks, 100 kph is fast enough on lots of them. The New England “Highway” between Toowoomba and Warwick is a disgrace. I guess third world countries with pretensions to the First World can’t afford good roads.

Robert Sewell
May 8, 2023 10:54 am

Calli:

Will The Voice have a “Mute” button?

Shit no, Calli. The Voice is an amplifier.

Roger
Roger
May 8, 2023 11:00 am

I think using the word “work” and Biden in the same sentence is a tad bit too generous.

I suspect so. The information re those hours is from the WH, fwiw.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 8, 2023 11:00 am

Speed limit enforcement in Australia is draconian. Almost no leeway. It used to be not so bad. When this started in South Australia in the late 1980’s I immediately noticed an increase in traffic density. Cars spend more time on the roads.

bespoke
bespoke
May 8, 2023 11:11 am

Minimum speed limits and restricting boomers to a curfew of between 10:30 am and 11:30 am would solve the problem.

Diogenes
Diogenes
May 8, 2023 11:14 am

immediately noticed an increase in traffic density. Cars spend more time on the roads.

Qld gave introduced point to point on the Gateway Motorway. Traffic is too dense to put cruise control on, so you spend more time looking at your Speedo than you do on what is going on around you.

Robert Sewell
May 8, 2023 11:15 am

Indolent:

One of the reasons that the country of my birth, Australia, is now moving towards being a police state, is the Victoria Police, who routinely decide who is guilty and then seek evidence to prove that presumption of guilt without being open to evidence which suggests their suspect is innocent.

Men For Freedom #1 John Stuart Mill – very good article – well worth reading.

cohenite
May 8, 2023 11:17 am

The argument mirrors the gun control argument – gun control laws harm law abiding citzens, not criminals. A large number of citizens have their freedoms restricted by laws which they obey, wheras those who dont, are unaffected

No it doesn’t. Guns are special because they represent a capacity of the populace to defend themselves. Leaders don’t like that capacity. Speeding is a behaviour which is not just potentially dangerous but influential on others and therefore public safety.

Do you think public masturbation should be legal?

Diogenes
Diogenes
May 8, 2023 11:18 am

If made 130/110 Km/Hr, would be stringing out of vehicles, as people would adapt to what they felt comfortable with, and much safer.

The FiL many years ago said that if you are not paying attention to the Speedo, you will find that you you are doing around 10km faster than the posted speed limit, regardless of what the speed limit is.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 8, 2023 11:20 am

Moderated.
Can you please release the comment.
Gruinaid report on vigies vs indigies.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 8, 2023 11:21 am

I think Victoriastan could be safely left out of any discussion of the operation of the Rule of Law in Australia. But let’s ask this slug …

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
May 8, 2023 11:21 am

Honest NRL player
Careful NSFW language !

Brent Todd said this in 1992. What would happen today if he said it? What would happen to a Women’s NRL player if she said it?

Robert Sewell
May 8, 2023 11:23 am

Indolent:
The fake news media is trying to claim Texas shooter Mauricio Garcia is a “white supremacist neo-Nazi” based off absolutely nothing but the imaginary, destructively divisive, race-baiting Left’s anti-American narrative.
You can see the framing of the narrative by the Communists.
Another good article. There is no evidence either way as yet – this is pure propaganda, somewhat akin to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident.
It’s designed to foster the Race War that will be the only way the Democrats can win the next election.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 8, 2023 11:28 am

Honest NRL player
Careful NSFW language !

New South Effin’ Wales language?

Robert Sewell
May 8, 2023 11:30 am

Sancho Panzer:

welcome to “not an expert just posting it for fun” hour

Indolent contributes more to this blog in one day than you do in a week. Just scroll past, pick up some capitals and full stops, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Figures
Figures
May 8, 2023 11:33 am

Muddy

Which fictional character would do a better job of leading the Festering (Liberal) Zombie Party of Australia, at either state or federal level? (Please restrict your response to no more than 1,500 fictional characters).

I nominate Darth Vader.

This is our problem on the Right.

We are sure our problem is our leaders.

It’s not.

It’s us.

Leftists vote for Biden and Fetterman and AOC and what do they say about them?

That they’re out and out geniuses!

Leftists never ever turn on their own except for not being left wing enough. We on the Right are the opposite.

Monty and co love paedophiles and rapists as long as they’re leftists. But if Trump looks at a woman other than his wife he will become a complete puritan. It’s sick. Monty is sick. Leftists are sick.

But they work. Leftist strategy works.

We will allow one of our own to be turfed because of a wine bottle. Monty wouldn’t want Biden gone if he was hiding 10 year olds in the White House basement.

They never open their mouths or write a post without shifting the Overton window in their favour.

And the Right’s response to this?

“Well I want to win fairly so I’ll play by the rules even though they won’t.”

FMD. As though self-defence is a bad thing. As though it’s moral to lie and pretend your opponent wil reciprocate when they’ve already told and shown you that they won’t.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 8, 2023 11:35 am

I don’t get your point?

I made the point Mr Sewell that the Labor Party have said they will outlaw any political donations to any party. I find it strange they would accept money from Clubs NSW yet have this as policy.

Robert Sewell
May 8, 2023 11:41 am

ZK2A:

Angry mob of Aussies take justice into their own hands and show up on the doorsteps of alleged criminals: ‘The justice system keeps letting them off’
Angry mob of about 100 took justice into their own hands
Vigilantes led by former One Nation candidate Torin O’Brien

Will The Voice get a Guernsey in Rockie?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 8, 2023 11:47 am
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 8, 2023 11:47 am
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 8, 2023 11:48 am

The 3 Names of American Female War Mongers – Victoria Nuland, Samantha Power & Susan Rice

Is Mexico’s AMLO behind the million migrant surge into the U.S.?

With Joe Biden’s end to the Title 42 pandemic restrictions on asylum applications coming on May 11, as many as a million migrants are massing at the U.S. southern border, preparing to charge on in.

It seems a little odd, actually. Title 42 had been sparsely enforced by the Bidenites as most migrants, particularly the ones who couldn’t be expelled to Mexico based on their countries of origin, got into the states on “parole” anyway, some of them coughing away on COVID, and unlike normal travelers, were exempt from U.S. vaccine requirements, even being allowed to refuse them. The overwhelming majority, one way or another, got in, which kept the surge surging.

That one little restriction, though, which gave an illegal border crosser a less-than-50% chance of being thrown out as a pandemic risk, ends, and now a million are headed in?

Something about it doesn’t entirely make sense, and now Sundance at The Conservative Treehouse has put his finger on it, connecting the dots.

His report is a doozy:

If you understand what Samantha Power does via her role in using USAID as the mechanism to advance the color revolutions around the globe, these remarks from Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez-Obrador are subtle like a brick through a window.

Power has recently been trying to create political turmoil in Hungary [HERE] and Georgia [HERE].

However, after AMLO delivered a speech where he called out Joe Biden, the DEA and the CIA for trying to interfere in Mexico [HERE], many people reading here predicted Samantha Power would now show up in Mexico.

Those of you who made that prediction were correct. You guys are smart!

Keep in mind that nearly a million central American economic migrants can be unleashed by AMLO, and likely will be, as Joe Biden and the Mexican president have faced off for almost two years over North American energy policy. Stunningly, AMLO has not backed down an inch, and instead went on the offensive against Joe Biden and Justin Trudeau.

This put a target on his back and was likely the impetus for U.S. intelligence agencies to call upon Samantha Power to do her thing.

So AMLO is teaching Joe Biden a lesson for his utterly none-of-his-business meddling in Mexico’s internal affairs through the Soros crowd, by releasing hundreds of thousands of migrants into the U.S. at one pop.

It’s significant that Mexico won’t be sending any troops to the border to stop the surge, as President Trump had been able to ask Mexico to do, and which did stop previous surges. The Bidenites didn’t even dare to ask as they likely already knew what the answer would be. It’s also significant that Mexico had been keeping migrants penned up in camps in southern Mexico. Based on the numbers seen, that was then.

Sundance cites the political meddling from the Soros crowd which has alienated Mexico, which, interestingly, was also employed by Power’s USAID in Central America, notably Guatemala, too, where cash was shoveled out to the government’s opposition groups, err, civil society groups — and quite possibly, the two other countries of the northern triangle, Honduras and El Salvador, too.

bespoke
bespoke
May 8, 2023 12:00 pm

What are you asking for Figures?
A safe space so goofy ideas and spurious motives go unchallenged?

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 8, 2023 12:01 pm

Something about it doesn’t entirely make sense, and now Sundance at The Conservative Treehouse has put his finger on it, connecting the dots.
Bullshit.
AMLO isn’t the guy bringing the “migrants” to Mexico in the first place, so why should he be stopping them from crossing into America?
He didn’t create the problem.

Pogria
Pogria
May 8, 2023 12:10 pm

Munty’s absence explained. He has a night job.

Robert Sewell
May 8, 2023 12:13 pm

Black Ball:

I don’t get your point?

I made the point Mr Sewell that the Labor Party have said they will outlaw any political donations to any party. I find it strange they would accept money from Clubs NSW yet have this as policy.

Fair enough – I wasn’t aware they had that policy. It sounds almost unbelievable – are you sure of it? The Labor Party refusing money from someone?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 8, 2023 12:20 pm

Bruce Lehrmann attends first day of public hearings at Board of Inquiry into ACT’s criminal justice system

By KRISTIN SHORTEN
12:11PM May 8, 2023

In a surprise move, Mr Drumgold has this morning been cross-examined by Counsel assisting Erin Longbottom about his objection to an application from Mr Lehrmann’s defence lawyers to stay his trial in June 2022 following Lisa Wilkinson’s Logies acceptance speech.
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Mr Drumgold has told Walter Sofronoff KC, who is conducting the inquiry, that while the publicity following Ms Wilkinson’s Logies speech was “undesirable”, he believed that directions given to a jury could sufficiently ensure the jurors’ minds were not prejudiced by the speech.

He said that stays had been refused in other cases where the publicity had been “greater than in this matter” and that the “test had not been made out”.

Mr Drumgold said there had already been a high level of publicity prior to the Logies speech and that a previous stay application from the defence had also been refused.

“Bearing in mind, we had been through a stay application and argued all of the case law … What we were doing was looking at the added facts against submissions that had already been made, so this was not completely in isolation,” he said.

Ms Higgins alleged Mr Lehrmann raped her in Senator Linda Reynolds’ ministerial office in the early hours of March 23, 2019 after a night out drinking with colleagues in Canberra.

Mr Lehrman was later charged with sexual intercourse without consent.

The 28-year-old’s Supreme Court trial was sensationally aborted in October due to juror misconduct and immediately listed for retrial in February.

But in December Mr Drumgold announced he would not prosecute the case again due to the impact it would have on Ms Higgins’ mental health.

He said that while he still believed the evidence offered a reasonable prospect of conviction, he did not believe it was in the public interest to proceed with the prosecution.

Within a week of that decision, Chief Minister Andrew Barr and Attorney-General Shane Rattenbury announced the establishment of a Board of Inquiry into the Criminal Justice System in the ACT.

Specifically, the Inquiry will examine the conduct of criminal justice agencies involved in Mr Lehrmann’s trial.

Former Queensland Solicitor-General and eminent retired judge of the Queensland Supreme Court and Court of Appeal, Mr Walter Sofronoff KC, is conducting the inquiry.

Mr Sofronoff recently oversaw the Queensland Government’s commission of inquiry into failings at the state’s DNA testing laboratory.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 8, 2023 12:22 pm

Pogriasays:
May 8, 2023 at 12:10 pm

My reaction

Actually, now i seen the pic of the person involved WHO LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THEY SHOULD..

Johnny Rotten
May 8, 2023 12:27 pm

I made the point Mr Sewell that the Labor Party have said they will outlaw any political donations to any party. I find it strange they would accept money from Clubs NSW yet have this as policy.

So why does the Laybore Partee accept monee from the Unions?

Figures
Figures
May 8, 2023 12:35 pm

What are you asking for Figures?
A safe space so goofy ideas and spurious motives go unchallenged?

I didn’t think it was that hard to understand. But here you go for instructions:

1) If you’re calling for a right winger leader to resign in favour of someone else, it should only *ever* be in favour of someone even more right wing. Otherwise, fight to keep them at all costs.

2) Be as concerned about being labelled a “hypocrite” in pursuit of right-wing goals as leftists are in pursuit of theirs.

Not at all.

3) Intellectual disagreements are just that. You always defend your leaders against every single attack from the left. And by that I mean *every* single attack.

4) Don’t ever let the left set the narrative unchallenged for any given event. This is *especially* true in the first few hours after the event.

It’s funny you should ask this of me really. You people are all hopelessly wrong – completely insane actually – when it comes to medicine but I will always defend you against the likes of Monty.

shatterzzz
May 8, 2023 12:38 pm

The “white” neo Nazi supremist …..!

https://ibb.co/M9y8Vrx

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 8, 2023 12:39 pm

Eyriesays:
10:48 am
Given the state of many of our major roads and highways aka goat tracks, 100 kph is fast enough on lots of them. The New England “Highway” between Toowoomba and Warwick is a disgrace.

2 things:
#1. The New England Highway doesn’t go anywhere Toowoomba, and never has.
#2. Small sections between the Toowoomba turnoff and Dalveen can be dangerous, but that’s due to the topography, not any failings by Main Roads.

Robert Sewell
May 8, 2023 12:40 pm

Old Ozzie:

So AMLO is teaching Joe Biden a lesson for his utterly none-of-his-business meddling in Mexico’s internal affairs through the Soros crowd, by releasing hundreds of thousands of migrants into the U.S. at one pop.

It’s going to be interesting in ten years time when
.1 The flood of immigrants do what immigrants historically do, that is, pull the ladder up after them,
.2 Find/create jobs and settle down into suburbia, buy houses and start their own families.
Considering the major part of the migrant rush is younger people, will they create a major economic expansion of the US economy?
I don’t know – the US started out as a borderless nation and grew into a world power through migration – will it get a second bite of the cherry?
Will the US hit 400 Million by 2035? (331 million at present.)

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 8, 2023 12:47 pm

I don’t know – the US started out as a borderless nation and grew into a world power through migration
Bullshit.
The U.S. prospered under it’s economic system of the 19thy Century.
European migration followed.
The U.S.’s greatest Era was the 41 years between 1924 and 1965 when Immigration was severely curtailed.

Anchor What
Anchor What
May 8, 2023 12:49 pm

BBC reported that the Texas shooter was a “right wing extremist”.
Fact check please!

Figures
Figures
May 8, 2023 12:50 pm

ZK2A

“Bearing in mind, we had been through a stay application and argued all of the case law … What we were doing was looking at the added facts against submissions that had already been made, so this was not completely in isolation,” he said.

Fixing this in the age of social media and blatantly political trials is very simple but it will never happen with the current lot in charge.

If there is high publicity surrounding the case that is likely to prejudice a trial (against the defendant) then the defence chooses 24 jurors. The prosecution can veto 12 of those selections but they don’t get to choose any.

Similarly, if the publicity surrounding the trial is due to the deliberate actions of the prosecution (or prosecution witnesses) then the prosecution doesn’t even get veto power. The defence team gets whichever 12 people they choose.

Now, judges (who themselves aren’t highly credible) would need to be the one to make this call (of jury selection rules) but, given the high risk of them doing so, prosecutors wouldn’t dare bring forward weak cases that are high profile.

Spinning Mouse
Spinning Mouse
May 8, 2023 12:52 pm

Trump played golf 307 times during his presidency, once every five days.

Biden plays golf once every month or two.

I’d rather a president who could play golf once a week. I would be willing to bet that Biden could not break 100 off the stick.

Diogenes
Diogenes
May 8, 2023 12:56 pm

1. The New England Highway doesn’t go anywhere Toowoomba, and never has.

Really?

It starts from an intersection of the D’Aguilar Highway at Yarraman which is just north of Poowoomba.

The designation changes from the A15 to the A3 at the 8 mile at Warwick, the A15 designation then given to the Cunningham Highway

Locally it is Ruthven St.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 8, 2023 12:58 pm

Bear Necessitiessays:

May 8, 2023 at 11:21 am

Honest NRL player
Careful NSFW language !

might also explain why sports teams from the goldie are never any good

bespoke
bespoke
May 8, 2023 12:59 pm

Fare enough Figures. I may not agree with your goofy theories but ressist eny attempts classifying them as “criminal”.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 8, 2023 12:59 pm

Trump played golf 307 times during his presidency

Obama’s tally was 333 rounds, although that’s over two terms.

Obama averaged about 41 rounds a year, but he never came close to Presidents Woodrow Wilson or Dwight Eisenhower, who were estimated to have played 1,200 and 800 rounds, respectively.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 8, 2023 1:03 pm

Dwight Eisenhower, who were estimated to have played 1,200 and 800 rounds, respectively.

Eisenhower had a campaign run against him “If we are going to have a golfer in the White House, lets have Ben Hogan (A pro golfer.)”

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 8, 2023 1:05 pm

Allen Tx shooter named Mauricio Garcia, Cops need interpreter to speak to his parents.
So, yeah, about as White as the soles of my boots.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 8, 2023 1:10 pm

This is where allowing “Struthtelling” will get you.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-08/yoorrook-commission-police-chief-shane-patton-apology/102316124

Supine pissing on their own bellys groveling over the existence of anything that says no to a group defined by race.

Victoria’s Chief Commissioner of Police has apologised unreservedly for police actions that have traumatised Indigenous Victorians.

Mr Patton acknowledged discriminatory policing has traumatised First Nation peoples and said police would take action to address the over-representation of Indigenous people in the justice system
Yoorrook chairperson Eleanor Bourke said the apology must bring about real change
In a statement to Victoria’s Indigenous truth-telling inquiry, the Yoorrook Justice Commission, Shane Patton said the Indigenous community’s over-representation in the justice system was “unacceptable” and pledged that Victoria Police would take action to address it.

“As Chief Commissioner, and on behalf of Victoria Police, I wish to formally and unreservedly apologise for police actions that have caused or contributed to the trauma experienced by so many Aboriginal families in our jurisdiction,” Mr Patton said.

“I see the Yoorrook Justice Commission as an opportunity for State agencies like Victoria Police to publicly acknowledge the wrongs that have occurred and which still occur and to make a public commitment to how we intend to operate and engage with Aboriginal individuals, organisations and communities and to then follow through with actions to implement the commitments.”

In his statement, Mr Patton addressed a number of issues within the justice system that have disproportionately affected Indigenous Victorians, including public drunkenness laws, the age of criminal responsibility and the treatment of people in police custody.

The Commission has heard that the state government’s 2018 bail reforms contributed to the “unprecedented” mass incarceration of First Peoples in this state.

Nearly 1,200 Aboriginal people went to prison in the last financial year while on remand — meaning they spent time behind bars without being sentenced by a judge. There have been five Aboriginal deaths in custody in Victoria since 2020.

Professor Bourke said “since the very beginning”, Victoria Police has acted as the primary enforcement arm of a government that forcibly occupied Indigenous lands and destroyed families.

“The ‘systemic racism, racist attitudes and discriminatory actions of police’ over the last 170 years, it has been perpetuated with the intent of making us – First Peoples – disappear,” Professor Bourke said.

Yoorrook has heard that our people continue to be targeted, attacked, harassed and racially profiled by police. Since then, our children have been born into over-policed communities.

Mr Patton said he was “extremely concerned” that Aboriginal people in Victoria continued to report encounters with police involving racism, unconscious bias and unequal application of discretionary powers.

He also expressed concern about low substantiation rates of complaints by Aboriginal people the disproportionately low numbers of cautions given to alleged Indigenous youth offenders and low levels of confidence Indigenous Victorians have in making complaints to Victoria Police.

“The facts and matters in my statement are evidence that Victoria Police accepts that deficiencies remain and that, while we have been taking wide-ranging action, we still have work to do,” Mr Patton said.

“As Chief Commissioner of Victoria Police, I will not tolerate bias, racism or unequal exercise of discretionary powers toward Aboriginal people [or anyone else].”

Im sorry – but low substantiation rates of complaints is proof people may be bullcrapping rather than the spin hes happy to put on it.
WORST. GENOCIDE.EVUH!

Kneel
Kneel
May 8, 2023 1:13 pm

“We can argue about the reasonableness of various limits given the road and area, the number of changes on a length of road, and the like, but the idea that no limit is justified is absurd.”

It is well established based on numerous studies in numerous countries, that the safest speed limit is the so-called “85th percentile” – that is, the speed 85% of drivers will not exceed if there is literally no speed limit. This setting also maximises compliance – only a handful (literally a few percent) will exceed a limit so decided.
It also means that lower speed limits than otherwise seem reasonable will be more often obeyed – if 99 out of 100 speed limits seem reasonable, you will assume that there is a reason that is not apparent to you for the reduced limit. If though, even 75 out of 100 seem unreasonable, you will tend to ignore the real outlier.
Alas, we do NOT use this system to set speed limits in Australia.

I would also point out that, while the then (NSW) RTA says that 50+% of fatal accidents involve “speeding”, the footnotes state that “speeding” includes 1) exceeding the posted limit or 2) going too fast for the conditions, even if less than the posted limit.
When I questioned the numbers assigned to each of these obviously distinct groups, I was told that it is about 7:1 – for each “speeding” death involving speed in excess of the limit, there are 7 where it was simply excessive for the conditions.
This obviously means that even strict policing of the speed limit to the point that no-one ever exceeds it, or using a speed limiter for example, can save less than 15% of deaths currently listed as being caused by “speeding”. Since the time I questioned the authorities on this, they have – if anything – become even more obsessed with enforcing adherence to the speed limit, even though they cannot fail to be aware that this is not where they can make the most difference.

We need to stop making important what we can measure, and start measuring what’s important.
For example, leaving larger gaps to the car in front is much more important, yet if you leave even 0.75 second gap in Shitney traffic, someone will “zap” into that gap almost without fail. I remind you that the recommended gap is actually 2 seconds! These gaps are important for two reasons: 1) it obviously gives you more time to react and 2) it not so obviously decreases your focus on what is directly ahead and thereby increases your situation awareness – your peripheral vision will expand, and you can spend time observing what is happening further up the road and make sure you are not going to be part of any unfolding incident. I don’t know about you, but I have never (and I mean never) seen any advertising on leaving a 2 second gap to the vehicle in front of you – nor, for that matter any other measure of that gap (“1 second”, “your speed in km/h divided by 10 in metres” etc etc). None. Zero. Nor ever seen, heard of, or seen advertising of enforcement of, such a gap.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 8, 2023 1:23 pm

“Speaking in my capacity as a Wiradjuri woman, we have been saying for decades that we are the descendants of injustice resulting from this colonial empire, we want that separation,” she said.

I don’t really care what you have been saying. Something is true because you say it? Is descendent of injustice a new gender we must all respect?

I came across a tweet (on a Twitter-thread that someone else here had posted regarding the coronation) and there was a picture of one of the gilded carriages, to which someone (I think they called themselves ‘African’) bemoaned how terrible to see brazen showing off of wealth that Britain had stolen from other nations.

I do not know this person (I think a woman) so this is more a mental exercise than a direct rebuttal.

Anyway I assume this woman assumes, perhaps without ever being conscious of what exactly she is saying, that Europeans (probably British) turned up and just took what they wanted and left the locals impoverished. That is that. All the problems in Africa are due to that.

In fact, the Europeans (probably British) would have turned up and started building towns. They built hospitals, law courts, schools, roads, ports, canals, dams, irrigation systems, bridges, factories, businesses, they would have dug tunnels and mines, and on it goes. But perhaps just as importantly they brought the ideas behind those things.

They introduced modern medicine, education, they brought law, they brought trade, they brought a new knowledge of farming, of travel, of government and bureaucracy in its (initially) benign sense.

I would further assume that when she laments the state of African nations she thinks in terms of crumbling roads, unemployment, failing hospitals, corrupt politicians and so on. None of this is what Britain took from Africa. It comes down to the Africans have behaved since they left.

Sure the British took from Africa, but they gave them something far more valuable than gold: they gave these African nations the knowledge and the infrastructure to be successful nations. If Africans decided to squander that gift then that is on them.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 8, 2023 1:23 pm

yet if you leave even 0.75 second gap in Shitney traffic, someone will “zap” into that gap almost without fail.

quite so

our car has adaptive cruise
if i set the distance to the car in front to the max, i invariably get people slotting in
even at minimum some do it

funny thing is, i can be happily rolling along in adaptive but when i flick it off and maintain the same distance the crash warning comes on

clearly the sporty beemer thinks it is a better driver than i am
who knows
it might be right

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 8, 2023 1:26 pm

I saw a pic of the Texas shooter’s hand yesterday. Hand tatts you’d see on gang member from Latin America.

On the plus side by the end of next week MS13 will be a white supremacist group and actually attract law enforcement/Alphabet agency attention.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 8, 2023 1:26 pm

peter brock was the best driver evah at speed

right up until the tree

Kneel
Kneel
May 8, 2023 1:30 pm

“…“your speed in km/h divided by 10 in metres”…”
should, of course, by “divided by 2” not 10 – oops!

Johnny Rotten
May 8, 2023 1:41 pm

LOL. Trump is known for early morning starts and late nights. Biden, however, late starts and early nights.

LOL. More like Biden never starts and has stage frights on the night.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 8, 2023 1:43 pm

From the Hun.

The ACT Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold has been confronted at an inquiry into the prosecution of Bruce Lehrmann over a claim that he made “knowingly false” statements to the ACT Supreme Court about a record of his discussions with Lisa Wilkinson.

The inquiry opened today with Mr Drumgold as the first witness.

Walter Sofronoff KC is set to investigate the circumstances of the prosecution of Bruce Lehrmann, who has always maintained his innocence.

The DPP argues he warned Channel Ten’s Lisa Wilkinson last year before her Logies speech that any more publicity risked another stay application to delay the trial.

She disputes that a clear warning was given.

Last year the trial of Bruce Lehrmann was delayed from June until October after The Project host Lisa Wilkinson accepted the Logie for her coverage of the sexual assault allegation.

ACT Chief Justice Lucy McCallum vacated the trial dates after his defence team requested a temporary stay in the wake of the speech and surrounding publicity. She said at the time that Ms Wilkinson was given a clear warning.

Johnny Rotten
May 8, 2023 1:45 pm

peter brock was the best driver evah at speed

right up until the tree

Schumacher was a better racing driver and a good skier right up until the tree.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 8, 2023 1:47 pm

Rogersays:
May 8, 2023 at 9:58 am
Biden plays golf once every month or two.

He works six hours a day…if that.

For a very limited meaning of the word “work”.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 8, 2023 1:48 pm

I see that tge fat fascist fool is back. Has he yet worked out how to excuse the many Labor pollies and public school teachers for their devotion to being rock spiders?

Kneel
Kneel
May 8, 2023 1:51 pm

“peter brock was the best driver evah at speed

right up until the tree”

There is a significant difference between doing 161 laps around Bathurst and driving a rally – for the former you KNOW (from practice etc) each and every bend, bump and armco fence on the track and you rely on your own judgment alone.
For a rally, you need to rely on both the co-driver (navigator) AND the pace notes. Brock’s mistake was trusting the pace notes without pre-driving the section to check them. That proved fatal.

Regardless, one does not, in most cases, need the skills or reflexes of a race car driver in order to drive on public roads safely – certainly such skills and reactions can potentially save you from a crash, but they can also mislead you on the road. For instance, a race car driver will drive straight towards an out of control car on the track, because in most cases, by the time he gets to where the car was, it is now gone. Such is rarely the case on the street. You should, of course, practice (under controlled conditions and not a public street!) such things as skid control, brake modulation etc – it is a very difficult thing to ease off the brakes when the wheels lock up, but it can make the difference between needing a change of underwear and needing the services of a smash repair shop (the former is typically much less of a health risk too! 🙂 )

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 8, 2023 1:58 pm

Rogersays:
May 8, 2023 at 9:58 am
Biden plays golf once every month or two.

So, not a golfer then. Presumably they wheel him out to try to demonstrate he’s a virile and active sporto.

Air swings and divots – until the Secret Service minders have mercy and play a few shots to get him off the tee block and down the fairway.

Muddy
Muddy
May 8, 2023 2:00 pm

Figures:

This is our problem on the Right.
We are sure our problem is our leaders.
It’s not.
It’s us.

Yup. Spot on.
Most of my comments are along with this line – see Rafe’s recent post here – but on the occasion you have highlighted, I was being semi-faecal (spelling?). Kidding; facetious.

Muddy
Muddy
May 8, 2023 2:03 pm

along THIS line
not along WITH.
*Sigh*

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 8, 2023 2:08 pm

Spinning Mousesays:
May 8, 2023 at 12:52 pm
Trump played golf 307 times during his presidency, once every five days.

Biden plays golf once every month or two.

I’d rather a president who could play golf once a week. I would be willing to bet that Biden could not break 100 off the stick.

Nine holes or 18?

Muddy
Muddy
May 8, 2023 2:10 pm

Mother Lode says:
May 8, 2023 at 1:23 pm

I don’t have any numbers to back this up, but one wonders how much it COST the British Empire to maintain its various colonies, and how often said colonies returned a measurable ‘profit’ from the taxes collected?

In other words: What was the return on investment in purely financial terms?

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
May 8, 2023 2:12 pm

Will Commissioner Patton be apologising for the corrupt and contemptible Stalinist political prosecution of Cardinal Pell and the trauma it caused to Catholics? Don’t hold your breath.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 8, 2023 2:14 pm

peter brock was the best driver evah at speed
right up until the tree

Everyone switches off in the West. He’s not Robinson Crusoe there.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 8, 2023 2:14 pm

I don’t have any numbers to back this up, but one wonders how much it COST the British Empire to maintain its various colonies, and how often said colonies returned a measurable ‘profit’ from the taxes collected?

Like you I have no hard numbers, but I have often heard it said that Britain – and other European colonial powers – gave up their colonies because they could not afford them.

Mind you, this could only authoritatively be said by someone…who had the numbers. I am sure they are out there though.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 8, 2023 2:15 pm

Guy drove into a Migrant Centre in Brownsville Tx today, killed 7.
Cops need interpreter to interrogate him, so, yeah, there won’t be a picture, no name either to prevent revenge attacks.
But, there’s one thing for sure:
The LameStreamMedia will be Gaslighting it’s audience anyway.

Muddy
Muddy
May 8, 2023 2:19 pm

FRom Mole’s excerpt above:

Mr Patton said he was “extremely concerned” that Aboriginal people in Victoria continued to report encounters with police involving racism, unconscious bias [my bolding] and unequal application of discretionary powers.

Ah, critical race theory: Just because something doesn’t exist, does not mean it doesn’t exist.
(The fact that a term for something exists, means that that thing (unconscious bias) exists).
Or something.
Anyway … shut up!

Johnny Rotten
May 8, 2023 2:20 pm

Mother Lodesays:
May 8, 2023 at 2:14 pm
I don’t have any numbers to back this up, but one wonders how much it COST the British Empire to maintain its various colonies, and how often said colonies returned a measurable ‘profit’ from the taxes collected?

Like you I have no hard numbers, but I have often heard it said that Britain – and other European colonial powers – gave up their colonies because they could not afford them.

Mind you, this could only authoritatively be said by someone…who had the numbers. I am sure they are out there though.

The Jewel in the Crown was India. However, India had to have its Independence. It should have happened before 1947 but it is always hard to let go of a cash cow.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 8, 2023 2:20 pm

It will be interesting to see what gets reported now that the Brittany inquiry is underway. I hope she has got a new dress and some panties this time.

rosie
rosie
May 8, 2023 2:22 pm

There may well have been a turning point in the profitability of colonies.
I suspect that might have been after slavery was abolished in the UK.
Slavery was extremely profitable, it started as a UJ government monolopy in the late 17th century then was opened to all.
Not to mention all the raw materials that flowed into the UK that allowed the Industrial Revolution to happen.
Cotton etc.

Johnny Rotten
May 8, 2023 2:23 pm

The teacher sent the boy with the rubber-band gun in class to the Principal’s office for carrying a weapon of math disruption…………………………

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 8, 2023 2:25 pm

I don’t have any numbers to back this up, but one wonders how much it COST the British Empire to maintain its various colonies, and how often said colonies returned a measurable ‘profit’ from the taxes collected?
Dumb question.
The Colonies provided export markets for British industry, in the case of India, it’s Textile Industry was moved to Britain and it became an importer.

The price for U.S. involvement in WW2 was the transfer of British Companies to American control, 500 million Pounds upfront, and the end of the British Empire.
Churchill paid up, yet he coulda kept the lot if he’d pulled out of the War at Dunkirk.

rugbyskier
rugbyskier
May 8, 2023 2:27 pm

Schumacher was a better racing driver and a good skier right up until the tree.

It was a rock actually. My understanding is that a major contributor to the catastrophic brain injury was having a Go-Pro camera mounted on his helmet.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
May 8, 2023 2:28 pm

Sonny Bono was a pretty good skier and mayor until that tree. “What tree?”

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
May 8, 2023 2:28 pm

The British Empire would not have expanded to cover half the known world without the wealth created from the India trade.

I think Britain would have been more than happy to dump most of their African colonies when they did.
WW2 recovery gave them a great excuse.

Johnny Rotten
May 8, 2023 2:31 pm

rosiesays:
May 8, 2023 at 2:22 pm
There may well have been a turning point in the profitability of colonies.
I suspect that might have been after slavery was abolished in the UK.
Slavery was extremely profitable, it started as a UJ government monolopy in the late 17th century then was opened to all.
Not to mention all the raw materials that flowed into the UK that allowed the Industrial Revolution to happen.
Cotton etc.

The UK already had everything set up for the Industrial Revolution. Property rights, Law and Order, Energy from the Water Mills, then Coal, Iron Ore from the Cleveland Hills, Steam Engines, Brains of course, Capital, Workers, etc, etc, etc………………The Southern USA’ns could grow the cotton with slave labour but could not weave it.

Muddy
Muddy
May 8, 2023 2:31 pm

The Jewel in the Crown was India.

Certainly private enterprise flourished in India, and presumably the Venerable East India Company paid taxes, but aside from its geopolitical position, what were the material benefits to the Crown?
(Serious question).

Johnny Rotten
May 8, 2023 2:39 pm

rugbyskiersays:
May 8, 2023 at 2:27 pm
Schumacher was a better racing driver and a good skier right up until the tree.

It was a rock actually. My understanding is that a major contributor to the catastrophic brain injury was having a Go-Pro camera mounted on his helmet.

My apologies. I always assumed it was a tree,

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 8, 2023 2:39 pm

Daily Mail.

Furious monarchist group threatens to ‘take action’ against the ABC over its coverage of King Charles III’s Coronation – as Neil Mitchell slams broadcaster for ‘totally misreading the mood’

The ABC has come under fire for its coronation coverage
The Australian Monarchist Group to file a formal complaint

Muddy
Muddy
May 8, 2023 2:40 pm

My point in asking questions such as that above is to ascertain how much legitimacy there is in the claims that [insert name of colonial power] became wealthy solely due to the plundering of [insert name of colony]’s abundant riches? The assumption seems to be that this plundering was done with ease and without cost or loss.
Take Australia: what abundant riches were scooped without effort in barrow-loads from atop the soil of the Great South Land?

Putting aside the strategic great power elements, how much did empires such as the British Empire, benefit materially from their colonies?

areff
areff
May 8, 2023 2:40 pm

Muddy: Started watching an SBS on-demand series about the East India Company. Only into it as far as the first episode, but so far so good.

P
P
May 8, 2023 2:46 pm

dopey says:
May 8, 2023 at 9:53 am

All this coronation/colonisation carry on. Who made the decision to establish the penal settlement, the king or the government? Just wondering.

In March 1786 the magistrates of the City of London presented to King George III a petition complaining of the overcrowded state of the jails.
In August 1786 Lord Sydney took the action which launched the colony.
He signed a letter to the Lords Commissioners of the Treasury, the first paragraph of which reads:
“The several gaols and places for confinement of felons in this kingdom being in so crowded a state that the greatest danger is to be apprehended, not only from their escape, but from infectious distempers, which may hourly be expected to break out amongst them, His Majesty, desirous of preventing by every possible means the ill consequences which might happen from these causes, has been pleased to signify to me his royal commands that measures should immediately pursued for sending out of this kingdom such of the convicts as are under sentence or order of transportation”.

Secondary reasons were undoubtedly the desire to forestall other European powers in the occupation of Norfolk Island, and the potential of the flax plant and the pine trees (which grew on the island) for sails and spars for the Royal Navy.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 8, 2023 2:47 pm

Kneel, you should know by now that rationality does not govern the actions of government. It is all theatre. “look we are setting low speed limits and strictly enforcing them to keep you and your family safe on the roads – we care about you and aren’t we good”. That this costs everyone time and doesn’t save significant numbers of lives doesn’t matter. Even the lives lost exceeding the posted limit may be mostly due to exceeding what is safe in the conditions. Apart from bogan hoons (don’t care as long as they kill only themselves), drug dealers doing delivery rounds (also don’t care and likewise).
Dick Smith, when he was trying to get sensible rules for civil aviation in this country, introduced the concept of “affordable safety” which caused quite the uproar. What it really means is “spend the money where it does the most good” not where it just looks good.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 8, 2023 2:55 pm

In August 1786 Lord Sydney took the action which launched the colony.

Most interesting post, P, thank you.

Alamak!
Alamak!
May 8, 2023 2:55 pm

Muddy> No numbers to share but Spanish empire in South America did very well until the Silver in Potosi, Bolivia ran out. Brits being Brits, it seems they had multiple goals for empire including $$$, law, language and expanding the fleet. Plus beating the damned French …

JMH
JMH
May 8, 2023 2:55 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:
May 8, 2023 at 1:10 pm

Welcome to Victoria Springs! That Patton would deliberately separate law and order on the basis of race is disgraceful. Just stand by with your popcorn and watch Victoria implode if the moron and the Victorian government is serious. Disgusting.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
May 8, 2023 3:01 pm

Handed in my SFL membership earlier this year due to the appalling election performance last year. I always give people the benefit of the doubt that they try to do the right thing and can on occasion make a a cockup. After reading about Matthew Guys comments being still a fan and supporter of Turnbull, i had a moment of clarity. My gut was right. Twas no cockup. He and his ilk are determined to keep conservative views away from any power input . He really is a cuck and should move to Labor asap. Take Turnbull with him.

flyingduk
flyingduk
May 8, 2023 3:01 pm

Speeding is a behaviour which is not just potentially dangerous but influential on others and therefore public safety…..Do you think public masturbation should be legal?

1) You could argue that you have a right not to be ‘ exposed ‘ 😉 to that in public, and if you are, you suffer a psychological injury. In that sense, you are a victim. On the other hand, I could counterargue that I enjoy tossing off in public, and you preventing me doing so causes me a loss …. who’s right trumps the other? and why?

2) I have often wondered why ‘in your face’ breastfeeding in public has become de-rigeur, even celebrated, whereas public urination/masturbation has not. Both involve parts of the anatomy which were previously considered private. Watch this space I guess.

slackster
slackster
May 8, 2023 3:08 pm

Ed Casesays:
May 8, 2023 at 2:15 pm
Guy drove into a Migrant Centre in Brownsville Tx today, killed 7.
Cops need interpreter to interrogate him, so, yeah, there won’t be a picture, no name either to prevent revenge attacks.

There is a video of the accident circulating , wouldn’t recommend hunting it down if you are squeamish
Vide of the driver being arrested here:
https://twitter.com/IntelPointAlert/status/1655275715330285571
Pics of his tatts apparently match the ones of the Texas shooter.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
May 8, 2023 3:08 pm

Welcome to Victoria Springs! That Patton would deliberately separate law and order on the basis of race is disgraceful.

An article in the Oz referencing Qlds Terence Lewis the corrupt exPolice Comm. Im so glad those days are behind us and we no longer have corrupt senior command. LOL.

Robert Sewell
May 8, 2023 3:11 pm

As an addendum to my question at 1240,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ggNbVd8f3M
At about the 18 minute mark, Victor Davis Hanson speaks of the issue that 45% of the Mexican immigrants aren’t going to vote for the Democrats because the Democrat policies are hurting them.

Speedbox
May 8, 2023 3:11 pm

rugbyskier says:
May 8, 2023 at 2:27 pm

Correct on both counts. It was the Go-Pro that was the real culprit to the seriousness of the injury.

Robert Sewell
May 8, 2023 3:16 pm

Kneel:

You should, of course, practice (under controlled conditions and not a public street!) such things as skid control, brake modulation etc – it is a very difficult thing to ease off the brakes when the wheels lock up, but it can make the difference between needing a change of underwear and needing the services of a smash repair shop (the former is typically much less of a health risk too! ? )

If there’s one thing riding motorcycles taught me, it was brake control and tyre adhesion limits.
OK. Two things.
Brake control, tyre adhesion limits, and road surface.
All right – three things.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 8, 2023 3:20 pm

cohenite at 11.17:

Do you think public masturbation should be legal?

A question for the ages.

132andBush
132andBush
May 8, 2023 3:20 pm

flyingduk says:
May 8, 2023 at 3:01 pm

Call me old fashioned, but I’d rather live in a society where public masturbation/urinating are not remotely considered analogous to discreet breastfeeding of an infant.

Robert Sewell
May 8, 2023 3:20 pm

Figures:

This is our problem on the Right.
We are sure our problem is our leaders.
It’s not.
It’s us.

Muddy:
Figures is wrong. Our leaders create a system run by Laws and Regulation where their demands of compliance to those L&R are incorrect acts when the real world intrudes.

Speedbox
May 8, 2023 3:21 pm

I’m in the money, I’m in the money……

Just received notification I have been awarded 2 million Euros by the United Nations and its co-sponsor International Monetary Fund (IMF) on its Internet Fraud compensation programme organized to compensate the internet Fraud victims.

How good is that!!!!

Lucky though. The email was in my spam folder – stupid computer. If I hadn’t been going to clear out the spam I could have missed it. All I have to do now is sent the nice people at the IMF all my details and they will send the money. Seems only fair that I send all my details ‘cos otherwise they won’t know it is really me.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 8, 2023 3:22 pm

In March 1786 the magistrates of the City of London presented to King George III a petition complaining of the overcrowded state of the jails.

They were also being held on hulks in the harbours.

List of British prison hulks (wiki)

Ironically that practice has returned.

Home Office looking to buy unused fleet of cruise ships to home asylum seekers (2 May)

Suella Braverman is reportedly planning to buy 10 redundant ferries, cruise ships and barges to house asylum seekers in the UK. The plans will see the port of Liverpool as the next in line to dock the vessels. According to The Guardian, Home Office insiders said they are looking for solutions after they failed to locate 10,000 spaces for migrants in former prisons and military camps.

At least they can’t be sent here this time.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 8, 2023 3:22 pm

Indolent contributes more to this blog in one day than you do in a week

More satire sites. More gateways to the nufferverse.

Some of it is genuine comedy value.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 8, 2023 3:25 pm

Lode at 1.23:

Outstanding post.

If the Poms and Spanish and French and Chermans and Belgians and Portuguese and Dutch had razed all their cities, destroyed their hospitals, bridges, telegraph lines, roads, sewerage systems and associated infrastructure, blown the tunnels and set fire to the rest as they left, then the statement that sparked Lode’s post might be accurate.

But it’s not.

Barry
Barry
May 8, 2023 3:33 pm

At least they can’t be sent here this time.

Don’t bank on it!

Cassie of Sydney
May 8, 2023 3:34 pm

“Call me old fashioned, but I’d rather live in a society where public masturbation/urinating are not remotely considered analogous to discreet breastfeeding of an infant.”

Agree wholeheartedly.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 8, 2023 3:44 pm

“Call me old fashioned, but I’d rather live in a society where public masturbation/urinating are not remotely considered analogous to discreet breastfeeding of an infant.”

Bugger.

We will now be treated to a rather unedifying contrarian campaign by the donut hoover or GroOGs about the preferability of public masturbation.

The only interesting thing will be to see whether they also reveal that they are personally invested in the cause.

cohenite
May 8, 2023 3:48 pm

Figuressays:
May 8, 2023 at 11:33 am

Correct. The left are viciously tribal which presents a united front; rugged individualism and pip pipperism defeats the right/conservatism every time. And we think there are rules which the left will abide by. The big challenge for the right is our political teams are no longer conservative so how can we support them.

bespoke
bespoke
May 8, 2023 3:51 pm

2) I have often wondered why ‘in your face’ breastfeeding in public has become de-rigeur, even celebrated, whereas public urination/masturbation has not. Both involve parts of the anatomy which were previously considered private. Watch this space I guess.

You’re a Dr and can’t see the difference, seriously.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
May 8, 2023 3:56 pm

Dover at 2.30. That quote is about as accurate as you can get. Very little is done today to maintain what we already have. Thats what I was getting at earlier with making things of quality to last.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
May 8, 2023 3:58 pm

Because you don’t enjoy a right to toss off in public any more than you do to take a shit in public, and people have a right to go about their business in public without encountering either. And neither requires an injury to be considered crimes/ offences. Rights are grounded in goods like learning and knowing the truth, for example; therefore, we have a right of association, right to an education, right of free speech, and whatever other right is conducive to learning and knowing the truth, and is limited by this good therein. The same is true of other rights (right to marry) and the goods ( good of family life) which grounds them.

You have the ‘right’ to do as you are told as far as government is concerned…

Laws only matter if they are enforced.
A constitution only matters if it is followed…

Your rights only exist provided you can back them up with force.

Dragnet
Dragnet
May 8, 2023 4:00 pm

The Empire certainly returned some good profits to Britain in certain places at certain times but the colonies were never consistent cash cows. In relation to the West Indies for example, sugar made immense returns even after the abolition of slavery, but it was an increase in the world supply from other sources (e.g Australian came, and sugar beets in Germany and the USA) that created the price plunge that undermined the inefficient production processes in the West Indies.
In addition, after the First World War, the Empires administrators began to adopt a more consciously benevolent and nation building exercise of power in the respective colonies and there was considerable expenditure on hospitals, schools, sanitation systems etc.
So it’s doubtful if the West Indies turned a buck (pound) for the Empire at any time from say 1900 to the 1960’s.

Cassie of Sydney
May 8, 2023 4:03 pm

I have no problems with women breastfeeding in public, we all know breast is best for a baby. Most women do it discreetly and modestly. As for those women who don’t, who flop their breast out for all to see, I don’t particularly like it but to compare to public urinating and masturbation, give me a break.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 8, 2023 4:04 pm

The British Colonies were export markets for British finished goods and providers of raw materials to British industry.
It worked out well, apart from Australia, which wanted to develop her own Industrial base by the 1870s.

shatterzzz
May 8, 2023 4:06 pm

Suella Braverman is reportedly planning to buy 10 redundant ferries, cruise ships and barges to house asylum seekers in the UK. The plans will see the port of Liverpool as the next in line to dock the vessels. According to The Guardian, Home Office insiders said they are looking for solutions after they failed to locate 10,000 spaces for migrants in former prisons and military camps.

have they thought this thru? .. it’s one thing to have thought bubbles but how does it come to fruition .. going on a fully catered cruise is one thing permanent homes is another .. are they gonna convert these ships into flats or will folk be using a cabin system .. families with kids and no connecting doors .. gonna work a treat .. communal dining rooms with no out of hours catering facilities/shopping outlets .. gonna work a treat .. kids to be entertained/educated/amused onboard or off .. gonna work a treat … and then there’s folk gonna be coming and going 24/7 via gangplank access .. duuuuuh!
I’m sure the idea is “temporary” accomodation but I’m guessing the reality is a lot longer term …
this is just DUMB ..
Politicians and ideas .. a dangerous combination .. stick to troughin’ Suella .. FFS!

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