Open Thread- Weekend 6 May 2023
1,825 responses to “Open Thread- Weekend 6 May 2023”
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Ranga
The PM is not a recognized position and not the head of state. The monarch is. The system has worked well for Australia as we’re one of the oldest stable democracies in the world.
I really think the PM position is far too political to be head of state and if we chose to go the Presidency route a popularly elected president would want power and that changes the system of governance. Don’t mess around with something that works.
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Rabzsays:
May 6, 2023 at 9:32 pm
Hey, prince tampon chilla big ears – “You can take your coronation and insert it into your lard laden palace sized yartz”
Meanwhile Betty Windsor and Phil the Greek are no longer motionless in their graves.
Time to Romanoff and Bourbon them all. Prince tampon first, followed by ginger and the whinger and the rest of them as soon as possible afterwards.
Enough, you useless illigitimate hypocritical parasites. Begone, in the name of a non existent deity, just go.
is it fair to say you’ve gone a bit cool on the royals?
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I found myself being unable to sit and had to stand up from my seat three times tonight when God Save The King was played.
Maybe it comes from the days when it was played at every picture theatre in the 40s and 50s and into the 60s, when everyone without exception stood up for what was then our national anthem.
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Jorge says:
May 6, 2023 at 10:31 pm
Crossie, it’s a mausoleum and that can be a bit creepy.
Like many places in Europe if you don’t know the history the magic passes you by. A kid I knew couldn’t wait to visit the Abbey and commune with Sir Isaac Newton’s spirit (he’s buried there).Yes, the place is full of tombs which you don’t see on occasions like today.
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I’m watching Sky which is pretty good.
We were both watching that too, Cassie.
My choice of starting drink was Aperol of course with Prosecco and Soda.
Followed by a good strong Durif red, repeated.Sky did a great job. The whole ceremony, from the initial coach trip to the return to Bucking ham Palace has been magnificent. So well organised. And the religious part suitably inclusive for a modern Britain but extremely traditional as a Protestant service. My ancestors in their little church near the Thames estuary, who fled to Britain from persecution for their protestant beliefs, and who slotted well into that little eleventh century Parish church and Cranmer’s Book of Common Prayer, would have been proud. I was proud too.
Whoa. Hairy has now set me to watch in my study, while he commandeers the Foxtel in the other rooms for his ceremonial watching of the (recorded) Big Game. I insist on watching the Coronation thru to the bitter end. Just saw the ABC interview two darling women bishops, one black. Really lovely girls, I thought. Now we’re back to busines as the King and Queen, wearing their robes and crowns, watch the grenadiers and others as they depart.
That ermine looks real. Lots of little critters in that robe. Beefeaters (beef eaters?) saluting.
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Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
May 6, 2023 at 10:54 pm
I’m watching Sky which is pretty good.
We were both watching that too, Cassie.
My choice of starting drink was Aperol of course with Prosecco and Soda.
Followed by a good strong Durif red, repeated.I have been watching Channel 7 who had Angela Rippon as their commentator, very good.
My drink of choice tonight is Seaview sparkling wine which was popular when (then) Prince Charles visited Australia and Jane Priest surprised him in the surf.
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I was so nervous for Queen Camilla as that crown was first placed on her head. You know what it’s like when someone puts a hat on you – you always want to immediately adjust it slightly – and you could see that her fringe was getting into her eyes a bit and she had a surreptitious go at pushing it back under. She just had to leave it after that though, and then had to raise from her chair and walk with it on. Her dress was unfortunately just that little bit too long, and her steps thus had to be so cautious. She appeared almost terrified for that part of the ceremony. If she’d had to grab her crown to keep it on the gossips would have may hay with that.
Charles looked half out of it for some of the ceremony. I think the medieval thing behind the screens really got to him. Truly a bit touched by the holy spirit. The enormity of it had hit home to him.
I think his Christianity may have been enhanced by this.
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Fashion of it now on the ABC. India Hicks looking lovely, with a simply grey flared skirt dress, with a bobbled seam on the bodice opening; and she’s wearing a superb brooch. Bring back brooches, I say. They look so regal and glamorous. And I have some which I haven’t worn for ages.
I used to wear them a lot on my jacket lapels, but alone on a lovely dress they looked extra distinctive.
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I have been watching Channel 7 who had Angela Rippon as their commentator,
Same here.
Ms Angela has a very good knowledge of royal trivia and her commentary was mostly informed and relevant to the occasion.Unlike the two Aussie oafs who were prattling on like star struck schoolgirls at a rock concert.
How embarrassment (sic).
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The mothers (or fathers) who take their impressionable young kids to be exposed to these thinly disguised grooming sessions are engaged in child abuse.
That’s exactly what I’m saying, mOron. You can spin it all you like.
It is remarkable that this is the rhetorical corner in which you have painted yourselves. To be a True Conservative, now you must denounce young mothers – the cornerstone of our nation, the bedrock of our culture – as being perverted criminals.
There is not much coming back from here. The only place you can go is to join Bosi in faffing on endlessly about kids in tunnels and reciting thinly-veiled facsimiles of the Protocols. You have crossed into custard territory.
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I can’t believe I’m watching the ABC and not finding it objectionable.
Don’t know who these people are, but they are commenting well, especially pointing out that this is about continuity. Asian guy won’t accept ‘nostalgia’ from the female coordinator – says is a loaded word – and would prefer to describe it as ‘tradition’. I’m with him. He notes that the ceremony stays fundamentally traditional. Their discussion on the ‘faith’ vs ‘faiths’ issue is seen as something QE11 also encouraged, in terms of protecting rights of all faiths, including none.Issue of incremental change? Point made that the monarchy is not modernisable, and that it stands for something people care deeply about. Maintaining relevance is crucial, they agree.
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Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
May 6, 2023 at 11:51 pm
Constitutional monarchy being highly praised, for it’s lack of turmoil and its unifying nature...
It’s a silly idea.
And it’s only appeared stable in modern times.
See wars of the Roses and princes in the Tower etc.
Plus they tend to inbreeding.
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The music was the full spectrum of a high musical tradition. Glorious, in the true sense of the word.
Ex-chorister of The Temple Church refilling my glass was singing along to some of it. At his school, The City of London School, boys could chose between belonging to the Templar’s church choir, or the Choir of St. George, who sang today.I am glad it all went well today.
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Only twice I felt very uncomfortable:
When The Prime Minister, who is a Hindu, had a prominent role in Westminster Abbey with a reading from the Epistle to the Colossians.
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The Gospel singers.P, I didn’t mind Rishi Sunak’s reading at all. It was sensitively read. His schooling at Winchester School and then on to Oxford has provided him with an excellent understanding of British Christianity and he is Prime Minister, so a prominent figure for a reading.
Like you, I blanched at first with the Gospel singers, but Hairy and I agreed at their conclusion that their Aleluia was rather beautiful, not holy roller stuff, and as he noted, the Anglican church is growing strongly in Africa now, so an African mode was not jarring.
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Piers Akerman:
Supporters of the Voice proposals are either naive in the extreme or wilfully duplicitous.
Their advertising is all about recognition – but almost no one opposes some form of recognition that this continent was inhabited when Europeans arrived.
Indeed, the greatest living former Prime Minister, John Howard, put forward a more than adequate preamble to the Constitution and his able successor Tony Abbott also had a crack at a form of words which would have filled the bill.
Absent from the Yes ads are the rest of their demands from the Uluru statement.
A Yes vote will deliver a new unelected race-based body, with as yet no known form, with a mission that extends to a treaty or treaties and compensation to descendants of Aboriginals.
Why the children of the massive wave of migrants who arrived over the past century, indeed, why anyone, should pay reparations to people who identify as Aboriginal full knowing that they are of mixed ancestry and that they are the beneficiaries of an enlightened Western civilisation which largely displaced the murderous, violent, misogynistic tribal culture which may well have existed for 60,000 years, is beyond ridiculous.
But no, the media sycophants of the virtue signalling business leaders insist that the Voice is a “very simple idea”, so simple indeed that they’ve resorted to bullying and cancelling those who explore the full ramifications of this farcical referendum.
Cape York leader Noel Pearson, for whom I had a lot of respect over the past three decades, once preached that “welfare is a poison to my people”, and the recently deceased G.Yunupingu, speaking to the celebrated author Nicolas Rothwell at a Garma festival in August, 2011, on Yunupingu’s traditional land overlooking the Gulf of Carpentaria, called for the abolition of welfare payments to his people – for the simplest of reasons: “It’s a killer”.
Welfare isn’t mentioned today.
Not one of those now abusing Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, other Aboriginal leaders, and rational opponents of the Voice want to explore the roots of the dystopia that exists in remote communities, the lack of employment opportunities, the truancy that destroys attempts to educate children, the utter dysfunction of so many families.
Nor are they questioning the dispersal of the $35 billion-plus that is spent annually through the multitude of bodies administered by Aboriginal-focused groups … again, why not?
Voice co-author Marcia Langton was present at Garma and said of Yunupingu’s words: “If (G.) Yunupingu has taught me anything over 30 years, it is that we must not become dependent on governments, we must teach our children to work and we must reform the education system to ensure future generations will be able to participate in the economy.”
Where did you get lost Marcia?
One of the most insightful scholars, the former Minister for Territories and Governor-general, Sir Paul Hasluck, noted in 1980 after more than half a century’s involvement in Aboriginal affairs: “It seems to me that discussion of rights in recent years has tended to obscure the recognition of needs and opportunities of this minority in the Australian population”.
“If equal rights are not enjoyed, that defect would appear to be due to lack of ‘the corresponding responsibility’ in both white and coloured Australians.”
Presciently, he wrote “today, far too many Australians are taking that easy way out by making speeches and writing reports about rights and not getting down to the hard and exacting problems of analysing and redressing the handicaps of the underprivileged and the disadvantaged. Having a right is an incomplete benefit.
“The value of a right depends on the way it is used. So many of the present disadvantages of the Aborigines are not due to a lack of rights but to the lack of care and skill and consideration in the way rights are recognised.
“Thirty or 40 years ago there was a tendency to differentiate between tribal Aborigines, partly detribalised Aborigines and those part-Aboriginals who were living in various degrees of contiguity to and absorption into the general Australian community, and to assume that what suited one group might not suit another.
“Nowadays the fully tribal desert nomad and the person with a tertiary education and only one Aboriginal grandparent are both regarded as ‘Aborigines’, having a common voice and a common future. Policy for Aborigines nowadays covers a population that is large and diverse whereas it used to cover a smaller and more narrowly defined population that was nearly homogenous.”
The Voice proposals don’t recognise the diversity across the Aboriginal community, the mixed heritage of most Aboriginals.
They are racist and divisive, and must be defeated.
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No matter how many votes Trump gets, the multitude of Phantom Ballots will win the day. Jay Valentine is a data guru, and he explains it all at American Thinker.
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Watching the females here go all soppy
Careful girls! You’ll be “you lot-ed” next. 😀
Not particularly soppy here, I was interested in the service as it might be the only one I ever get to see. ERII’s was always going to be grainy black and white, which probably added to it’s antique nature and mystique.
It was, essentially, a Christian service very much like the commissionings and confirmations I have witnessed in the CofE (now Anglican) here, with obvious bells and whistles. The Psalms, the reading from Colossians, and the entire musical program pointed not to the temporal king but the heavenly one. It was only when they got to the hardware that it really became about Charles.
That screen for the anointing interested me – I must find out it’s provenance, but it may have been done especially by the Royal School of Needlework. The scene was a tree and all the leaves had the names of Commonwealth countries on it, and there were some seraphim and other angelic beings floating around. The cloth of gold surcoat was prepared by another royal garment maker – it looked as though it had been done trapunto style (or what the French call boutis). All technically interesting for a stitcher.
Not so impressed with the Look at Me fashions of the guests, though some of the ladies went for style over flamboyance from my brief observation.
And now it’s over. I won’t speculate on Charles’ faith. That will be between him and the Almighty. His other hobby, Gaia, is another matter. I hope he took the Colossians reading to heart – it’s all under control and isn’t up to him to “save da planet”.
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Being Sunday .. let’s start wiv a bit ‘o religious fervour .. LOL!
https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2023/05/05/4237755516659610564/1024x576_MP4_4237755516659610564.mp4 -
I was soppy over something…two things actually.
All those beautifully groomed and well behaved horses. Hundreds of them and barely a peep. And Princess Anne’s mount being a little bit temperamental and she barely took any notice of it, sitting tall and proud and still youthful in figure.
And the children – the ruffed choirboys reminded me of my brother and The Beloved in their robes and medals (and church mums trying to iron in all those starched pleats), the little chorister welcoming the king, and the Wales children (I noticed Louis disappeared for a bit, smart move).
Unlike St Paul’s the Abbey looks intimate when it’s packed, regardless of the massive roof space. It’s all vertical…as it should be.
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I see the resident hater here has been busy doling out Zeros to Lizzie’s comments overnight. So that puts the lie to Bespoke’s theory that it’s a caching issue.
You really need to look at yourself man. You hide behind an anonymous screen name and lack even the courage or intellect to refute what a genuine commenter says.
Lizzie, wear your Zeros with pride as I do mine. It means you’ve really got up some numpty’s nose. 😀
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Wasn’t protestant back then, I suspect.
My daughter messaged me mentioning how like a Catholic mass the coronation was.
I guess if it’s based on a 1000 tradition , it probably is.I would dearly love to have had David Starkey do the commentary for the Coronation. We would have had explanations of the meaning of what was going on, not just fluff about some page boy wearing his Hotspurs jumper under his uniform.
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Fat fascist fool
It is remarkable that this is the rhetorical corner in which you have painted yourselves. To be a True Conservative, now you must denounce young mothers – the cornerstone of our nation, the bedrock of our culture – as being perverted criminals.
I realise that it is hard for someone as stupid as you not to be openly obtuse, but it is only selected mothers being denounced. You know, the modern Dorothy Hewitts and their ilk.
Now go back to watching Drag Queen Story Hour on Vice.
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There is a point where enabling racist bullshit fairytales ends in murder. It was found here.
Somebody convinced this murderer it was totally cool to murder whites because, umm, racism and stuff.
Hey media, your phone is ringing.
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There is a point where enabling racist bullshit fairytales ends in murder.
It’s called incitement and it’s still in the criminal statute. But its main current user, the media, is both a parrot and enforcer for the American ruling class (even in Australia), so it’s not being enacted as it would be in a system that upheld equality before the law.
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There is a point where enabling racist bullshit fairytales ends in murder. It was found here.
Huh?
Somebody convinced this murderer it was totally cool to murder whites because, umm, racism and stuff.
Don’t be silly.
These people have Agency.
He thought he could get away with it, so he murdered 2 random people.
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Many aspects of the COVID-19 outbreak, and response have been problematic. For example, why was the lab-originated hypothesis rigidly shut down for the first couple years of the pandemic? A new set of questions are raised by a set of contracts that can be seen here. The first document, dated November 6, 2015, is between Moderna and the US government’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health. Titled, “Confidential Disclosure Agreement,” the contract states that NIAID’s proprietary information relates to vaccine research for HIV, influenza, Ebola, and MERS, while Moderna’s “proprietary and confidential information [is] related to design and manufacture of a messenger RNA platform…” This agreement was then amended many times to extend its duration. The next relevant document is a contract from August 22, 2016. In the appendix, the agreement posits that, “Moderna’s vaccine development efforts have spanned various infectious diseases, and include world-class expertise in mRNA construct production optimization, up to and including cGMP drug product manufacturing in order to bring clinical candidates forward through regulatory processes in the US and EU.” More agreements between NIAID and Moderna were signed in 2017 and 2018. A reminder during 2015, Ralph Baric and colleagues from University of North Carolina and elsewhere including Wuhan Institute of Virology world published in the journal Nature “A SARS-like cluster of circulating coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence.” This risky gain-of-function-esq coronavirus modification methodology made its way to China according to an important piece by Rowan Jacobson titled “Inside the risky bat-virus engineering that links American to Wuhan.”
Is two days to create a COVID-19 vaccine credible?Next, we fast forward to 2019, a mid-December 2019 Material Transfer Agreement between Ralph Baric and team at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and NIAID as well as Moderna, states that the later parties will transfer to the university, “mRNA coronavirus vaccine candidates developed and jointly owned by NIAID and Moderna.” (Italics added.) Also, according to a New York Magazine article published December 7, 2020, Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine had been “designed by January 13” 2020. The piece’s author David Wallace-Wells noted that this was only two days after the SARS-CoV-2’s genetic sequence was made public by Chinese researchers. The New York Magazine article reported that “the Moderna vaccine design took all of one weekend. It was completed before China had even acknowledged that the disease could be transmitted from human to human, more than a week before the first confirmed coronavirus case in the United States. By the time the first American death was announced a month later, the vaccine had already been manufactured and shipped to the National Institutes of Health for the beginning of its Phase I clinical trial.” An amazing feat.
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Or both your daughters and your sons to a (usually particularly ugly) drag queen.
John Nolte has given Disney an epic serve today:
Nolte: Disney’s Child Groomers Drag ‘Guardians 3’ Down to Lousy $110M Opening (6 May)
So how is it possible that the Marvel franchise that seemed to carry more audience goodwill than any other opened to just $110 million this weekend, which was “at the very low end of expectations” and a whopping 25 percent below its predecessor?
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No, no, no, no… this is bad for Marvel and Disney, a mixture of superhero exhaustion, too many terrible Marvel movies, and the child predator-stink Disney is getting over everything it touches.If the very real Bud-Lite implosion tells us anything, it’s that America is sick of fascist corporations looking to normalize and celebrate mental illness, perversion, fetishes, women-minstrelsy, and child grooming.
What else could it be? Super Mario Bros. is about to cross $500 million domestic. But that movie is innocent fun. No one’s using Mario and Luigi to get into your underage son’s pants or your underage daughter’s locker room. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about the degenerate Walt Disney Co.
Disney burst out of the satanic closet and openly targeted the innocence of our children with their obscenities. Earning back our goodwill might be impossible at this point.
Coruscating. It’s a shame that Disney has fallen in this way after entertaining us for so long. Shows how the Left destroys everything it infects.
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“Watching the females here go all soppy”
I like history, ritual, majesty and tradition, if you want to call that “soppy”, well that’s your prerogative but “soppy” doesn’t describe me, and I reckon it doesn’t describe most other females here. I know Lizzie and Tinta pretty well, and I would never describe either of these women as soppy. I’ve met Megan and she ain’t soppy. I don’t personally know rosie or calli or pogria but I also wouldn’t describe them as soppy, sentimental or self-indulgent.
Just on the monarchy, and the naysayers here. I voted yes to the republic back in 1999, but I won’t be voting “yes” in any future referendum. There’s more than one reason why I’ve changed my mind but the primary reason is that given the ghastly politicised world we live in, any republic, any president, would simply be yet another tool for the left to daily bludgeon ordinary Australians with. Charles, Camilla, William, Kate and co live thousands of miles away, they mostly act with dignity and regality so, I’ll take King Charles any day over President Adam Goodes, President Lidia Thorpe, President Kevin Rudd, President Malcolm Turnbull, President Kim Beazley. Anyone who thinks a republic will not be politicised by the left is living in la-la land.
Oh and my steamed golden syrup pudding was superb.
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Regarding Nambas post about Moderna.
How come it is Moderna that is setting up production facilities in Australia, Canada and UK. Wasn’t Pfizer interested as after all we used far more Pfizer than Moderna.
Often overlooked is the fact most European countries stopped Moderna for younger age groups.
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The BBC have confirmed a special one-off TV licence dispensation for the Coronation…
However, if they detect Granny watching Coronation Street without a licence,
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Somebody last night posted about Charles being a better option as head of state than Adam Goodes.
If the Yes vote wins and next is the Republican referendum than you can pretty much guarantee the first head of state will be First Nations and we all know it is not going to be Jacinta Price.
From social media it seems many did not like the ABC coverage of the Coronation. However hardly a surprise.
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