Open Thread – Tues 30 May 2023


A Bar at the Folie-Bergère, Edouard Manet, 1882

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Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 30, 2023 1:37 pm

Okay then, so it’s about restricting use and full on confiscation. That’s not exactly the same thing, but still it’s quite terrible.

I think that is where it will head.
Horrendously expensive ticket clipping.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 30, 2023 1:38 pm

Duncan – The story said it was using “marine batteries”. I suspect that means lead-acid or an improved version thereof. Li-ion would be better energy density by weight, but having the ship going up in a ball of flame like that EV carrier did a few years ago would be quite embarrassing. I can’t be bothered working out how many MWh in the way of lead-acid batteries you could fit in a hull that big.

JC
JC
May 30, 2023 1:38 pm

Whoops

And NOT

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 30, 2023 1:39 pm

Robert Sewellsays:

May 30, 2023 at 1:26 pm

J.C:

We see obvious examples of this right here on this blog with some calling for mass murder etc.

Examples from the original post, please. With context, and not just references to what you think the author said.

Who exactly are you defending here, Nurse Betty?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 30, 2023 1:39 pm

Amber-Jade Sanderson wins vital backing of United Workers Union in bid to be WA’s next Premier
Josh Zimmerman
The West Australian
Tue, 30 May 2023 11:17AM

Amber-Jade Sanderson has emerged victorious over Roger Cook from a critical meeting of the United Workers Union, placing her in the box seat to become WA’s next premier.

Ms Sanderson told media she had secured the backing of a “clear majority” of the 28 UWU MPs who gathered on Tuesday morning.

“We’ve had our meeting this morning,” Ms Sanderson said.

“I’ve been chosen with a clear majority to be the candidate to go forward for the leadership. I will now reach out to my family. I will now reach out to my colleagues across the caucus with a focus on unity and stability.

“We will continue those conversations. I will respect the process and we will have more to say later in that process.”

Mr Cook left the UnionsWA meeting a short time later inside a car, declining to stop and comment.

JC
JC
May 30, 2023 1:41 pm

Sanchez

That’s been around in Victoria for about 20 years. My dad wanted to build a shed on his hobby farm, but needed approval first to ensure it wasn’t an historical site.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 30, 2023 1:43 pm

Hairy dumped the Oz due to arguments with the moderator, and I rejoined because we still needed to have a major newspaper delivered. Can’t break the habits of a marital lifetime too easily. I thought it best to try to work for journalistic change within the tent than outside it and to support something that was the least worst rather than have that collapse due to few subscribers. I’ve had arguments with moderation since and have had some comments reinstated. If we don’t keep complaining about the moderation then there’s no groundswell to inform senior moderating editors of what is happening at the coalface with the recent outputs from Marxist journalism schools.

Lysander
Lysander
May 30, 2023 1:45 pm

JC – that would’ve been local govt or State govt approvals process.

The new WA process is to go to the locals and get them to come out and do an audit (charging whatever they want) and then making a decision which cannot be questioned (after payment of course!).

JC
JC
May 30, 2023 1:46 pm

Thanks Lysander. I get the difference.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 30, 2023 1:50 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
May 30, 2023 at 12:54 pm

Afghanistan sits atop a wealth of various resources.

They sit on not much actually.

Pretty accurate.
The ‘resource’ figures that are bandied around by the Afghan Mines Ministry for most of the mineral occurrences don’t really fit within the normal technical classification of the lowest category of Inferred Resource.

At best they would fall into the spruikers favourite, the dreaded ‘Potential Resource’.
Like seawater.

Having said all that, China is the ideal offtaker for parcels of chromite, hand-picked by starving artisanal miners.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 30, 2023 1:51 pm

JC many years ago my first husband and I were thinking of buying a small rural church in a delightful setting. It was unused and in those days such unwanted things were affordable by post-grad students for a few thousand dollars. It nestled into one acre as a little white icon of early farming settlement. We were having trouble raising the money and so put off our bid, going down to have a reaffirming look at the prospective purchase. Someone had built a huge double height machinery shed right next to it on the large next door property. That shed could have been situated in many other places and no thought was given to how it ruined the heritage value of the little church (one we would have maintained). We retreated from making an offer and the little church ended up derelict and demolished.

No heritage values on the sacred sites of the early settlers in that instance.
Why is it that aboriginal sites have primacy in heritage value?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 30, 2023 1:52 pm

JCsays:

May 30, 2023 at 1:41 pm

Sanchez

That’s been around in Victoria for about 20 years. My dad wanted to build a shed on his hobby farm, but needed approval first to ensure it wasn’t an historical site.

Yeah, it’s not new, but it is the thickening of a layer of “black-tape” over “green-tape” over “red-tape”.
Like a lot of these things, there is some merit in heritage controls, but this shifts the pendulum way too far.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 30, 2023 1:53 pm

Daily Mail.

EXCLUSIVE: News Corp settles with Bruce Lehrmann after he sued over articles where Brittany Higgins first claimed she had been raped in Parliament House

Bruce Lehrmann launched legal action in February
News.com.au settled the defamation case on Tuesday

Robert Sewell
May 30, 2023 1:58 pm

Elizabeth:

Migration into the West will help to allay the demographic bomb, but it won’t do much for cultural continuity or any certainty in electoral blocks keeping democracy on track.

Especially when people deliberately confuse the descriptor “Cultural” with “Race” in an effort to muddy the waters and allow the destruction of our own culture by another that is utterly incompatible – by the invading cultures own admission.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 30, 2023 1:58 pm

Lehrman is still pursuing Channel 10, and the A.B.C.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Lehrman is still pursuing Channel 10, and the A.B.C.

+ I hope he ends up living in the house Pirate & Cane Toad still own.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 30, 2023 2:01 pm

Lehrman is still pursuing Channel 10, and the A.B.C.

With Googlery in round 2.

duncanm
duncanm
May 30, 2023 2:03 pm

Bruce – as you know, even for LiIon, the comparative energy density is shit.

max 265Wh/kg for LiIon battery, vs 12 kWh/kg for crude oil.

Even when you consider the end-use conversion efficiencies, crude oil is an order of magnitude ahead.

Shipping is one place where synthetic liquid fuels make sense.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 30, 2023 2:04 pm

If it’s not XXXX Bitter, it’s not beer.

Good Lord.
I’m hanging out for Lion Nathan to hire Fellicia Hotbox as Brand Ambassador – just to see you rationalise your addiction to the horrible stuff…

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 30, 2023 2:04 pm

Memories. We used the two thousand dollars saved for the little church as a deposit on a property for $4500, an old three bedroom wooden farmhouse on an acre of land in the upper Blue Mountains. We renovated that with paint and second-hand stuff and I had our second baby to bring home there after his birth attended by a local GP in the cottage-hospital that was Katoomba maternity ward at that time. When we sold that house, we were on our way to purchase, with a deposit, a place in Sydney costing $23,000. With a deposit of $10,000 from the mountain house sale, $13K seemed like a huge mortgage to take on with our uncertain incomes then.

You could do that sort of thing in the early 70’s.

I visited the mountain house recently. It’s been torn down and a Glen Mercutt type of architectural iron shed dwelling now housing extreme trendies has been put up in its place. Progress.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 30, 2023 2:04 pm

Lysandersays:
May 30, 2023 at 1:33 pm

Amber Jade Sanderson has won the ballot and will be the next WA Prem.

And this moron is still pushing the C-19 jabs. Such advice now should be considered criminal. As for the traditional flu shots ( for the sake of argument, let’s say they work ) they will be nullified by the mRNA shots which has been shown to pound and weaken the immune system.

On arse clowns leaves and is replaced by another.

Government of Western Australia / Media Statements:

Hon Amber-Jade Sanderson BA MLA
Minister for Health; Mental Health

Sunday, 28 May 2023

McGowan Government to extend free flu vaccines through the month of June
Every Western Australian aged over 6 months is eligible for protective immunisation against influenza
Parents urged to make sure their children are vaccinated, with children aged 0 to nine years making up 34 per cent of all hospitalisations for influenza*
Immunisation remains the best defence against influenza**

*Any underlying medical conditions in that percentile?
** Questionable . How about diet good health and ways to boost immunity without the need for any jab. That’d be nice. I’ve never had the traditional shot flu and those that I know who did would sometimes -not always, get sick ( usually mild ) in some form in the week after the shots.

With winter approaching and hospitalisations for influenza on the rise, Western Australians are being urged to take advantage of the McGowan Government’s free influenza vaccination program – now running until the end of June.

WA is on track to achieve a significant vaccination coverage this year with more than 566,946 Western Australians being vaccinated against the flu so far – 338,401 of those people were vaccinated during Free Jab May.

Last year, under the Free Jab June and July program 362,000 jabs were administered, with more than one million Western Australians being vaccinated in total.

Only certain cohorts were offered free influenza vaccinations in previous years under existing State and Commonwealth vaccination programs.

Influenza spreads quickly from person to person. Symptoms can include fever, chills, aches, runny nose, coughing and an upset stomach. Immunisation is the best protection against the influenza virus.

So far this year, 538 people have been hospitalised with the flu, with children aged zero to nine years making up 34 per cent of hospitalisations.

Children between the ages of six months and five years are making up the biggest proportion of those hospitalised with influenza. Of the 445 influenza notifications in this age bracket, 91 children were hospitalised.

Older people, young children, pregnant women, and those with certain medical conditions are at a higher risk of developing serious complications from influenza such as pneumonia.

Young children are also at risk of serious illness with around 1,500 Australian children hospitalised each year with influenza; tragically, some children die from this vaccine-preventable disease.

Free vaccinations are available at GPs, Aboriginal Medical Services, and participating community pharmacies throughout May and June.

For more information, visit HealthyWA.

Comments attributed to Health Minister Amber-Jade Sanderson:

“With the extension of the free flu program there is still time for you to receive your flu vaccination if you haven’t already.

“The peak period for influenza transmission in WA is typically from June to September, and now is also the time to make sure your COVID-19 vaccinations are up to date.

“A double infection could be more serious than having either influenza or COVID alone.

“The State Government continues to work with pharmacies and GPs to provide a free vaccination for every Western Australian ahead of winter.

“I urge anyone who has not yet had their influenza vaccination to please book an appointment at GPs, pharmacies and immunisation clinics across the State.”

McGowan Government to extend free flu jabs for all West Australians

Vicki
Vicki
May 30, 2023 2:06 pm

I think it’s interesting that as you get older, the impact of the natural environment, and particularly the relationship with animals and birds, becomes more rewarding.

Like many others, I get enormous pleasure out of watching the daily life and interaction of birds in my garden. The social activities of the roos in the early mornings in the paddocks is also fascinating. But, of course, the domestic animals can also be a source of wonder.

I had to nurse a particularly grumpy cow recently. She has progressively taken over the role of head cow in our remaining small herd and is contemptuous of attempts at human handling. A few weeks ago she had a piece of wood (undetected by us) between the claws of one hoof. As a result she developed (even after it was removed) a badly bruised heel and couldn’t put weight on that (back) leg.
I had separated her from the herd so that she would not try to keep up with their extensive grazing. To compensate, I regularly brought hay and water to her where she lay in the paddock. She was obviously in a lot of discomfort. One morning when I went to check her, I was leaning in to try to see the underside of the hoof, when I sensed her big (ugly) head near to my own. I turned slightly towards her & then saw her advance her big wet nose to touch mine. It was quite extraordinary, as she mostly snorted with contempt if you approached her. Not this time. Quite extraordinary.

BTW she has recovered completely, although down on weight.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 30, 2023 2:06 pm

I hope he ends up living in the house Pirate & Cane Toad still own.

Bruce Lehrman and Ben Robert’s Smith being awarded gazillions of dollars in damages would make my day!

duncanm
duncanm
May 30, 2023 2:07 pm

So I went to google a bit on the latest with the DPP and Lehrmann tomfoolery.

I accidentally stumbled onto this image of Heidi Yates on the ABC.

Aye carumba! Talk about crazy eyes!

https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/c7ba90f1ff60659833d0506af1b03649

areff
areff
May 30, 2023 2:10 pm

This morning, a caption on a story even displayed an uncorrected misspelling.

The seagulls with clipboards started rolling through newsrooms around 20 years ago. “What,” they marvelled, “you have people who write stories and yet more people who read them before they are published. How silly is that!”

So they started laying off subs, which not only meant typos and stupid headlines but also the lobotomising of newsrooms’ institutional memory. Subs of old knew things — the good ones anyway. You wouldn’t want to, play Trivial Pursuit with most.

Also, they tended to be older and that meant a measure of authority, so if some neophyte keyboard-tickler still with the faint aroma of afterbirth about them wrote something wrong or dumb, well an admonitory word carried some weight.

Now the kiddies write their own captions and the fine art of headline-writing is dominated by the need for SEO words to attract clicks.

Sad that all this happened. Worrying that it happened so fast.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 30, 2023 2:11 pm

Mr Lehrmann and News have reached an out-of-court settlement. News.com.au editor-in-chief Lisa Muxworthy said the two articles at the centre of the dispute remain online and have been updated with an editorial note. There is no apology or correction.

Muxworthy also said no damages were paid to Mr Lehrmann. A contribution has been made to his legal costs following his successful application to the Federal Court to extend the limitation period to launch defamation action.

Robert Sewell
May 30, 2023 2:18 pm

This statement just made by Mr Ed on another post:

Albanese has just signed an Open Borders Agreement with India, a Country of 1.4 billion People, meaning that anyone in India who wants to move to where the grass is greener [Australia] can do so, and any Australian can move to India [absolutely no one].

Is this true? (Considering the person who made the claim, I would like to have a check on it.)

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 30, 2023 2:18 pm

On MSM defamation.

The Mudrocks and Sky News have been on something of a jihad against the the current Mrs and Mr Markel just recently.

Prince Harry ‘called in divorce lawyers months ago’

Reports of Prince Harry calling in divorce lawyers months before his fifth wedding anniversary with his wife Meghan Markle do not paint a positive picture of the Sussexes’ home life, according to News Corp columnist Louise Roberts.

In house counsel must be unaware that Mr Harkel sues for untrue unkind comments at the drop of a hat.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 30, 2023 2:22 pm

I like “seagulls with clipboards”, although that’s probably an insult to seagulls.

duncanm
duncanm
May 30, 2023 2:23 pm

Is this true? (Considering the person who made the claim, I would like to have a check on it.)

Fact Check – overstated.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/modi-and-albanese-ink-migration-deal-20230524-p5dasc

Anthony Albanese and Narendra Modi have vowed to elevate the Australian-Indian partnership to “greater heights” over the next decade as they finalised an agreement making it easier for thousands of young professionals and business people to shift to Australia.

Anchor What
Anchor What
May 30, 2023 2:28 pm

Vicki above: Like many others, I get enormous pleasure out of watching the daily life and interaction of birds in my garden.
I was visiting a small acreage over the weekend. At one point I noticed a large hawk (not an eagle) circling around. The neighbour has some new lambs, a bit big for this one to carry off. I think it would prefer a rabbit. Anyway, the local Plovers were having none of it. They flew straight at it and harassed it until it glided away over the paddocks.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
May 30, 2023 2:31 pm

Shipping is one place where synthetic liquid fuels make sense.

Shipping should have moved to nuclear reactors for power years ago.
At least for the big tankers and cargo vessels.

Over time, the cost savings on fuel would be massive.

I guess nuclear power must be outlawed except for military vessels…

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 30, 2023 2:33 pm

…making it easier for thousands of young professionals and business people to shift to Australia…

Not sure how this is going to work out in practice.

At the moment there’s a thriving market in India for young professionals providing low cost, fast turnaround, reasonable quality services; copywriting, coding, seismic processing, call centres, research bureaus, and so on.

Similarly Indian businesses producing fast turnaround, low cost manufacturing services.

Perhaps the turnaround and cost advantage will come with them.

I’m sure Uncle Luigi will have worked it all out.

Robert Sewell
May 30, 2023 2:34 pm

Doc Faustus:

I’m hanging out for Lion Nathan to hire Fellicia Hotbox as Brand Ambassador – just to see you rationalise your addiction to the horrible stuff…

There’s a Felicia Candy, but I couldn’t find a Felicia Hotboxx. Do you have a link?
Mind you, I’m not overly happy with the way she’s holding that eating implement…

local oaf
May 30, 2023 2:34 pm

I accidentally stumbled onto this image of Heidi Yates on the ABC.

Aye carumba! Talk about crazy eyes!

Yikes, trigger warning please!

calli
calli
May 30, 2023 2:35 pm

Ahhhh…it had to happen. A hyphenated premier.

Amber-Jade. What next? Bindi-Skye? Or for boys, Maxon-Roar? Blayde-Foxx?

Good times.

Razey
Razey
May 30, 2023 2:35 pm

“We are battening down the hatches.”

What can you do except look at leaving the country?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 30, 2023 2:36 pm

“you have people who write stories and yet more people who read them before they are published. How silly is that!”

To a point that is true.
Editing the work of a j’ism should be about polishing content which is 99% complete, and placing it in context with the rest of the paper.
If … if … we had competent j’isms, the load of editors and sub-editors would be lighter, and therefore the need for them would be reduced.
They should not be spelling and grammar goalkeepers, or having to deliver defamation lectures every second day.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 30, 2023 2:38 pm

Razeysays:

May 30, 2023 at 2:35 pm

“We are battening down the hatches.”
…..
What can you do except look at leaving the country?

The operative phrase in your case being “look at”.
Not actually leave.

Robert Sewell
May 30, 2023 2:38 pm

Vicki:

One morning when I went to check her, I was leaning in to try to see the underside of the hoof, when I sensed her big (ugly) head near to my own. I turned slightly towards her & then saw her advance her big wet nose to touch mine.

EEEwww!!!
Cow snot!
🙂

calli
calli
May 30, 2023 2:39 pm

Heidi looks just like her dad. He never seemed particularly crazy, poor man. But her back-story gives you a clue to the activism. All there, out and proud, if you look for it.

Perplexed of Brisbane
Perplexed of Brisbane
May 30, 2023 2:39 pm

duncanmsays:
May 30, 2023 at 1:24 pm
Mehreen Faruqi said that in her 30 years living in Australia she had experienced racism in every sector

once you start blaming racism for your own inadequacies, you’ll see it everywhere.

That’s it. She calls racism when all she has done is run headlong into our ‘No D1ckheads” policy. Repeatedly.

calli
calli
May 30, 2023 2:41 pm

It may be that Farqui is simply a horrid person at times. A quality that transcends race.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 30, 2023 2:41 pm

duncanm

Fact Check – overstated.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/modi-and-albanese-ink-migration-deal-20230524-p5dasc

Of course.
The Bollywood show last week was heavy on “forging closer ties” rhetoric and re-heated leftovers with no substantial change to anything.
Which is excellent news for those panicking about the Great Petrol Robbery.

Perplexed of Brisbane
Perplexed of Brisbane
May 30, 2023 2:45 pm

Lysandersays:
May 30, 2023 at 1:11 pm
Indeed Wally – and impacts any land 1100sq metres or larger – so possibly even some larger metro blocks (where, say, someone might want to put a pool in their backyard)….

Its ridick

So we can assume that ALP / Greens pollies property portfolios only contain properties <1100sq metres?

Indolent
Indolent
May 30, 2023 2:46 pm

I’ve heard about bits of this before (like barcoding all life forms). I don’t know how accurate all of this is but what I do know for a fact is that they DO look on themselves as God and us as disposal detritus. Of course, even if this is completely accurate there’s no way of knowing whether it would actually work but they don’t seem to worry about accidentally eliminating mankind in the process. Malthusians to the max.

Synthetic biology aims to replace natural life forms with something that is man-made

John
John
May 30, 2023 2:51 pm

Looks like Mr. Mr Lehrmann has surrendered, looking like a complete idiot now. I hoped something would come out of this but it looks like the boofhead didn’t think things through.

Vicki
Vicki
May 30, 2023 2:53 pm

The neighbour has some new lambs, a bit big for this one to carry off. I think it would prefer a rabbit. Anyway, the local Plovers were having none of it.

I don’t know if hawks would peck out the eyes of newborn lambs, as crows do, but I would not be surprised. Good to see that the plovers being of some use – they are such damn stupid birds, otherwise. God knows how they propagate, as they lay eggs in the middle of our paddocks – a sitter for the patrolling fox!

Robert Sewell
May 30, 2023 2:55 pm

Duncanm:

Fact Check – overstated.

Thank God for that – we do NOT need at this time, an influx of of 2million people from a culture that believes:
To learn to cheat in India is to learn how to survive. If you don’t, society will treat you as an imbecile who never grew up. Like the freelance writer.
The working principle is this: If you don’t exploit, then you will automatically become the exploited. What happens then is that since everyone is cheating everybody else, all this cheating cancels each other out in the final sum. No one really gains. But it’s something we are habituated and genetically inclined to do, like the way we drive. It’s a mix of nature and culture.

Note that I have said ‘culture’ not ‘race’, as the Bobbsey Twins continue to muddy the waters with..
Next time they conflate the two, I will set them to write a thousand lines of “I will not confuse race and culture ever again.”

Indolent
Indolent
May 30, 2023 2:58 pm
Indolent
Indolent
May 30, 2023 3:02 pm
Anchor What
Anchor What
May 30, 2023 3:06 pm

Albo Waxes (lyrical): It went along lines like these.
The same sort of people who opposed the 1967 referendum and then the Apology are now saying the sky will fall if we have The Voice. The sky did not fall after the Apology. It’s there. Go out and enjoy it.
Who is writing this crap? Blackouts Bowen?
I’ll tell you what didn’t happen after all the previous “must have” reforms.
Firstly, was there much opposition to the 1967 referendum? It passed easily, and merely removed some words from the constitution. Those words did not include “flora” or “fauna”.
Next: the kerfuffle over low wages for stockmen on cattle stations. Putting all aboriginals on welfare – what they accurately call “sit down money” – removed them from a situation where they had meaningful work as respected stockmen. The drift into towns hasn’t improved life for most. Back when Edna Quilty wrote her account of such life (Nothing Prepared Me) she saw her aboriginals depart for town, and some came back and said “town no good, mum”. We see that to this day.
Did Land Rights “close the gap”? No. Too easy to swap those rights for cash. So, there was and is an ongoing call for something to remedy the ills of indigenous culture. While you’ll see many depictions of the wonderful insights and feelings of those people for the land, the truth about those “cultural” elements can’t be told – even by Jacinta Price – without woke backlash and attempts to silence or cancel her.
Did the Big Sorry cure it all? No. The fuss over John Howard’s refusal to bow to this manufactured massive media meal of virtue signalling – devoured with gusto by KRudd – was something to behold. But the Big Sorry came and went with no perceivable improvement.
Will The Voice kiss it all better? No. It will, if it gets up in the shape currently conceived, be just as nugatory and more disastrous than anything that came before it. So what next, after it fails?
Treaty, yeah! Reparations, yeah! They might come along and fail as well. Why? It’s the culture, stupid.
Everyone, black, white, or rainbow, can and most likely will fail to carve out a meaningful life for themselves if they don’t have the basics. Kids need a stable home life. A home, parents who care, decent meals, a good night’s sleep (not roaming the streets at all hours) and proper schooling.

Makka
Makka
May 30, 2023 3:07 pm

They sit on not much actually.

Not according to the USGS. But perhaps you know more than them?

https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog/mining/afghanistan-has-vast-mineral-wealth-but-faces-steep-challenges-to-tap-it-78769

And the CCP is getting set quickly;

Afghanistan’s Taliban administration signs oil production deal with China

https://www.offshore-technology.com/news/afghanistans-oil-deal-china/

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 30, 2023 3:11 pm

I haven’t read him for a long time because Tele paywall, but I seem to remember he didn’t just give trolls a clip.

Yup. At one point he told Numbers that every time he posted he was going to replace it with something else.

That is where I first heard about Numberwang!

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 30, 2023 3:13 pm

John says:
May 30, 2023 at 2:51 pm

Looks like Mr. Mr Lehrmann has surrendered, looking like a complete idiot now.

News.con.au was not exactly grovelling:

Mr Lehrmann and News have reached an out-of-court settlement. News.com.au editor-in-chief Lisa Muxworthy said the two articles at the centre of the dispute remain online and have been updated with an editorial note. There is no apology or correction.

Muxworthy also said no damages were paid to Mr Lehrmann. A contribution has been made to his legal costs following his successful application to the Federal Court to extend the limitation period to launch defamation action.

Muxworthy said news.com.au stands by the reporting which examined how Ms Higgins’ allegation was handled by political leaders and institutions and the fallout that followed.

“We thank Ms Brittany Higgins for telling her story and for all that she has endured in making that choice to improve the system for complainants,” she said.

“We will continue to report on the general issues surrounding sexual assault allegations, our justice system and how to improve that system for men and women.”

However, none of this reflects on the conduct being examined by the Sofronoff Inquiry.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 30, 2023 3:14 pm

Someone noted today that 99 percent of reporters are not interested in the big stories. Well when they cock up the small beer, there’s no hope. Hun:

Veteran journalist Caroline Wilson rang Carlton captain Patrick Cripps to personally apologise for her incorrect report about him staying away from his teammates before the Blues game in Sydney.

Cripps, and his mother Cath, both hit out on social media with the Blues skipper “pissed off” at Wilson’s statement on Monday night’s Footy Classified program which he says questioned his character and commitment.

Willson claimed Cripps and teammate Sam Docherty had stayed at a “boutique hotel in Paddington” rather than at the team’s hotel before Friday night’s loss to the Swans at the SCG.

Channel Nine released a statement on Twitter saying: “On Monday night it was reported on Footy Classified that Patrick Cripps and Sam Docherty stayed at a hotel separate to the one used by the rest of the team while in Sydney on Friday night. This was wrong.

“We have spoken with Patrick and apologised.”

Wilson made the embarrassing phone call to Cripps on Tuesday morning as the furore ignited on social media.

Cripps’ Instagram post was liked by current AFL players including Trent Cotchin, Nathan Broad and Zach Merritt with his mother, Cath, also commenting on the post.

“I find it abhorrent and unbelievable that anyone would question your commitment to your team or Carlton. Love you”,” Cath wrote.

Cripps did stay an extra night in Sydney with his wife as he had the weekend off, changing hotels once the majority of his teammates had returned to Melbourne on Saturday morning.

On Tuesday morning Cripps emphatically hit back.

“I can cop criticism about form and losing but when it’s factually incorrect and questions my character and commitment to the team it pisses me off,” Cripps wrote on Instagram.

“This is the accountability as players that we would love to see with certain people in the media.

“For clarity for everyone, I stayed with the team the entire time they were in Sydney and joined my wife and family members on the Sat night as we had the weekend off.

“We aren’t where we want to be as a team right now, but never question my commitment to this team or club.”

Cripps’ post had more than 10,000 likes and hundreds of supportive comments less than 30 minutes after it was published.

Player agent Matthew Bain, who manages both Cripps and Docherty also tweeted: “That’s a complete lie. Both players stayed with the team in Syd while partners stayed at separate hotel!”

And Hutchy calls her the first lady of football. FMD

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 30, 2023 3:20 pm

Next: the kerfuffle over low wages for stockmen on cattle stations. Putting all aboriginals on welfare – what they accurately call “sit down money” – removed them from a situation where they had meaningful work as respected stockmen.

One station in the Kimberly’s employed twelve Aboriginal stockmen – to do the work of four “whitefella’s” – and supplied rations, basic quarters and basic medical care for eighty four of their extended families.

Cassie of Sydney
May 30, 2023 3:23 pm

“There is one case for assistance/reparations and it’s in the form of education. The American unions are committing systemic racism against poor blacks and they’ve absolutely ruined recent gens. There is hope though. DeSantis has begun to institute a charter school system to help under privileged kids.”

Indeed JC, I think that a charter school system is being instituted and encouraged in Arizona too, to the chagrin of the American Teacher’s Union.

And yes, DeSantis provides hope.

Cassie of Sydney
May 30, 2023 3:27 pm

“However, none of this reflects on the conduct being examined by the Sofronoff Inquiry.”

Correct, and whilst I’d like Ms Maiden to fall into a big black hole, Lehmann has bigger fish to fry.

And no, Lehmann isn’t a “complete idiot now”, he has to choose his targets carefully. Also, none of this comes cheap.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 30, 2023 3:27 pm

Who was “the Buzz”?

Troy Buswell. One time WA Treasurer and Emperor Barney’s heir apparent. Disappeared into WA corporates except for occasional appearances on the 6pm News as he pleads to variety of charges. Possibly not suited to public life.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 30, 2023 3:35 pm

One time WA Treasurer and Emperor Barney’s heir apparent

Discussing Ugandan affairs with a Greens M.P.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 30, 2023 3:36 pm

No matter how you hold that “cultural” figleaf, Nurse Bobby, your racism is still showing.
Let me guess.
Did a nasty Indian doctor or supervisor in Nurse Bobby’s past yank his chain over some shoddy work habits?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 30, 2023 3:36 pm

H B Bearsays:

May 30, 2023 at 3:27 pm

Who was “the Buzz”?

Troy Buswell. One time WA Treasurer and Emperor Barney’s heir apparent. Disappeared into WA corporates except for occasional appearances on the 6pm News as he pleads to variety of charges. Possibly not suited to public life.

And Forensic Chair Inspector.

Cassie of Sydney
May 30, 2023 3:37 pm

“Troy Buswell.”

Wasn’t ‘sniffing chairs’ his thing?

Cassie of Sydney
May 30, 2023 3:38 pm

“Sancho Panzersays:
May 30, 2023 at 3:36 pm”

Snap Sancho.

Lysander
Lysander
May 30, 2023 3:41 pm

I worked with the Buzz – extremely smart guy but extremely fuc-ed up (somehow the two usually go together????)…

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 30, 2023 3:41 pm

Amber Jade Sanderson has won the ballot and will be the next WA Prem.

Not good news. Say what you like about Sneakers but he didn’t scratch himself without checking with the iron ore guys first. I’m not sure Amber Jade will be so diligent.

Robert Sewell
May 30, 2023 3:49 pm

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/boycott-target-song-pro-trump-rap-group-hits/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=2023-05-29

The hit song urges listeners to continue to boycott the retail giant, which has already lost $10 billion in ten days amid outrage over Pride-themed clothing items for children.

Lysander
Lysander
May 30, 2023 3:50 pm

Amber Jade: Never had a real job. Period.

Zipster
May 30, 2023 3:52 pm
Robert Sewell
May 30, 2023 3:53 pm

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/the-disruptive-climate-activists?utm_source=substack&publication_id=268621&post_id=124584558&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=true

Their members often make incredibly naive public statements and beclown themselves with stupid public actions, their environmental concerns are incoherent and unsupported, and their membership is larded with young middle-class women who quickly forget their apocalyptic obsessions when the school holidays roll around.

JMH
JMH
May 30, 2023 3:55 pm

Johnsays:
May 30, 2023 at 2:51 pm

Looks like Mr. Mr Lehrmann has surrendered, looking like a complete idiot now. I hoped something would come out of this but it looks like the boofhead didn’t think things through.

Poor advice OR we are not being told the truth? I’m betting on the latter.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 30, 2023 3:55 pm

I worked with the Buzz – extremely smart guy but extremely fuc-ed

A mate was him at Uni college with him in the 80s. Rings true.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 30, 2023 3:56 pm

Robert Sewellsays:
May 30, 2023 at 2:18 pm
This statement just made by Mr Ed on another post:

Albanese has just signed an Open Borders Agreement with India, a Country of 1.4 billion People, meaning that anyone in India who wants to move to where the grass is greener [Australia] can do so, and any Australian can move to India [absolutely no one].

Is this true? (Considering the person who made the claim, I would like to have a check on it.)

Given that it was Grandpa Cletus who posted the comment, there is a 99% chance that it is erroneous.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 30, 2023 3:57 pm

Liberal MP rebuked for ‘hurtful’ Indigenous comments
Callum GoddeAAP
Tue, 30 May 2023 12:50PM

An outspoken Victorian Liberal MP has been criticised by her party leader for “hurtful” comments to Indigenous people.

Upper house MP Bev McArthur, an opponent of the voice to federal parliament, issued a statement last week denouncing Geelong council’s decision to cancel Australia Day.

In the release, she wrote people should be grateful for the “wonderful things that have been enabled via colonisation”.

“Firstly – democracy itself. The arrival of communists instead of the First Fleet would no doubt have created a different outcome,” she said.

“Should we also say sorry for hospitals, roads, mobile phones, ready food at supermarkets, homes, running water, electricity for light and warmth, indigenous-only medical centres, aged care and court processes?

“There is one word that is rarely heard in this discussion and it is a simple word. Thank you.”

Victorian Liberal leader John Pesutto is yet to speak with Ms McArthur but said the comments were hurtful to Indigenous Australians as national debate ramps up ahead of the voice to parliament referendum.

“I don’t know what’s driving the way she said that but I do not accept that as a fair statement,” he told reporters on Tuesday.

Mr Pesutto declined to say whether he would counsel or warn her over the remarks, or if she would face any punishment.

“It’s incumbent on every Victorian to engage in debates about Indigenous Australians and the great contribution our First Nations people have made to our country in a very respectful way,” he said.

“There are ways to conduct this debate without causing hurt or offence.”

The Victorian Liberals have opted not to adopt a formal position on the voice after giving MPs a non-binding vote on the issue, in contrast to the federal parliamentary party.

Their junior coalition partner, the Victorian Nationals, fell into line with their federal counterparts and voted to formally oppose the voice at a party conference in Ballarat on Saturday.

Tuesday marked the first parliamentary sitting since Mr Pesutto was heckled and booed at a Liberal state council conference in Bendigo over the Moira Deeming expulsion saga, prompting leadership challenge speculation.

Earlier this month, Ms McArthur voted against the motion to expel Ms Deeming for bringing discredit to the party after she threatened defamation action against Mr Pesutto.

JMH
JMH
May 30, 2023 4:12 pm

Rest assured, Bev McArthur is the next (productive Liberal female) to be shown the door by the f/wit, Persecutto.

billie
billie
May 30, 2023 4:13 pm

The Voice is not going to affect or change the social culture of Australian aboriginals or their offspring.

The problems with violence, drinking, child raising, education and mysoginistic behaviour will not be changed. As people have said, the big sorry, the reports, the billions spent, have done next to nothing at all.

I feel very sorry for anyone who cannot read or write english and so I feel how angry you would be to discover the internet, and all it provides and not be able to make any impression on it at all nor be able to ineract with it.

Outside the towns and cities, they are doomed to become increasingly isolated and unhappy about that lack of skill to interact with the world around them

It is very sad and changing the constitution will do nothing.

Some day, we must address this and damn the consequences, to pull people out of their misery.

It won’t be today though, not while the left rules the world as it does now

How do we get a change, a major change in the world?

Pprobably war is our best hope, such that it is

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
May 30, 2023 4:13 pm

… the great contribution our First Nations people have made to our country…

OK, Pesutto, you start. Just one of those “great contributions” please.

JC
JC
May 30, 2023 4:16 pm

Get a load of this story. Likely demonrat voting liberal family adopts a “6 year old” Ukrainian girl.

The family subsequently finds out she’s no 6 year old kid and is fact in her early 20s. She suffers some rare form of dwarfism making her appear younger. She’s a complete psychopath. She tried to poison the family. She tried to kill the kids by having them walk into traffic.

It shouldn’t be funny but it kind of is in a dark humour sort of way

More here

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12046763/amp/Bizarre-tale-Natalia-Grace-adopted-Ukrainian-dwarf-terrorized-family.html

Tom
Tom
May 30, 2023 4:16 pm

Victorian Liberal leader John Pesutto is yet to speak with Ms McArthur but said the comments were hurtful to Indigenous Australians as national debate ramps up ahead of the voice to parliament referendum.

Is that clown still in charge? Why hasn’t he lost a confidence motion in the SFL party room?

Forcing an MP to apologise for Western civilisation should seal the deal.

Or do the SFL rank and file like losers and losing?

calli
calli
May 30, 2023 4:16 pm

“I don’t know what’s driving the way she said that but I do not accept that as a fair statement,” he told reporters on Tuesday.

It was a truthful statement. The truth is sometimes unfair.

This infant pretending to be an Opposition leader seems not to have discovered that.

Also note “the way she said that”. He seems not to have liked her “tone”.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 30, 2023 4:17 pm

OK, Pesutto, you start. Just one of those “great contributions” please.

Discovering how to make pharting noises, blowing down a hollow log, at the same time Ludwig Van Beethoven was composing symphonies?

calli
calli
May 30, 2023 4:19 pm

Just one of those “great contributions” please.

Landcruiser sales figures.

JMH
JMH
May 30, 2023 4:19 pm

If you are female, have a functioning brain and a strong work ethic then DO NOT apply to join the Victorian Liberal Party under any circumstances.

calli
calli
May 30, 2023 4:21 pm

Vic Libs have a “woman problem”. A real one.

Avoid.

mem
mem
May 30, 2023 4:21 pm

Poor advice OR we are not being told the truth? I’m betting on the latter.

No damages were paid in the settlement but a “contribution” to legal costs was made. How long is a piece of string? This also avoids the matter proceeding to court.

Dot
Dot
May 30, 2023 4:21 pm

Wow JC.

Now I get the “Ukro-Nazi!” jibes, a literal poison dwarf.

Makes the figurative poison dwarf of the Nazi regime seem stable (however evil).

There’s got to be a basis for the old tales of goblins and “changelings” etc.

JMH
JMH
May 30, 2023 4:33 pm

No damages were paid in the settlement but a “contribution” to legal costs was made. How long is a piece of string? This also avoids the matter proceeding to court.

I’m not one to put my faith in newscorp “journalism” mem, but should this be the case, I hope Bruce settled for hundreds of thousands of dollars contributed to his legal costs. If that is the case, then settlement would make sense.

Cassie of Sydney
May 30, 2023 4:40 pm

“Victorian Liberal leader John Pesutto is yet to speak with Ms McArthur but said the comments were hurtful to Indigenous Australians as national debate ramps up ahead of the voice to parliament referendum.

“I don’t know what’s driving the way she said that but I do not accept that as a fair statement,” he told reporters on Tuesday.”

I suppose Bev McArthur (one of the Victorian Liberals solid performers) should be grateful that little Johnny Prosciutto didn’t call her a “Nazi” or “Nazi adjacent”. That’s a positive!

I must confess that when it comes to the Victorian Liberals I’m now completely lost for words, my usual loquacity has all but evaporated. Nothing, absolutely nothing, surprises me anymore. The Victorian Liberals really, truly are a Claytons political party. They are Seinfeldian, a party of and about nothing.

Morsie
Morsie
May 30, 2023 4:41 pm

I saw an ad for a Channel 10 program about all the scientific breakthroughs made by our indigenous friends.
It’s a full court press

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 30, 2023 4:41 pm

Calli

Also note “the way she said that”. He seems not to have liked her “tone”.

Wasn’t that one of Judge Mordy’s gripes about Andrew Bolt?

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
May 30, 2023 4:47 pm

New “journalists” – following on from previous comments up fred.

They are not journalists, writers or story tellers.

They are keyboard activists with usually a poor command of English Expression as evidenced by some of the misspelled crap posted on the online MSM sites – so much is illiterate, failing even year 8 standards before even starting on the woke junk content of their keyboard scribble.

Anchor What
Anchor What
May 30, 2023 4:53 pm

Amber Jade! What next?
Step up, wherever you are, Opal Cubic Zirconia.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
May 30, 2023 4:56 pm

Senator Mehreen Faruqi is just going to thrive amongst the Indian caste system.

bons
bons
May 30, 2023 4:58 pm

I must disagree with the proposition that compares contemporary social change to that which occurred in the 60’s & 70’s.
The ealier revolution was indeed a groundswell event that was bottom up. It was not imposed. Reforms by pretend groovers like Whitlam were lightweight and were mere catch-ups to what society was already doing.
The current change is entirely the opposite. It is imposed top down and is not based on broad based cultural beliefs and values. Its pervasive nature stems from regulation, punishment, information control, coersion , corrupted judicial systems, and perverted contempt for societal norms by people who could not prosper in an honourable morals based society.
The origins of the contemporary ideology are not from Norm and Beryl in the suburbs, but from our massively expanded, and funded but completely unspervised unaccountable universities. Even someone as plainly stupid as Gillard understood the potential communising power of these institutions.
It was universities that, by refusing to tolerate any dissent to their low rent theories created intolerant, ill-informed, ultra gullible and entitled Gen X and Y.
Corporate wokism (managerialism) and the destruction of the entrepreneur did not happen through a groundswell change in management philosophy, it was the result of only woke educated business graduates being available.
It was all summarised succinctly by the late Peter Ruehl: “to improve education you must first destroy the schools of education; to improve art, remove funding from galleries and arts institutions; etc”.
His accurate point being that our cultural collapse is happening to us, it does not originate from us.
Witness the imposition of humanities studies on STEM students, but not the opposite. Like the midwives hated and persecuted by the Church in the middle ages, knowledge that cannot be understood by the woke and ignorant is hated.
History would suggest that the essentially impositional nature of imposed change will be the root cause of its eventual defeat . Just like the young people who, despite sanctions, drifted away from the aggressively imposed dogma of religion, people will walk away from woke when they realise that it offers them nothing but loss of freedom.
We victims have no leaders, but they will arise.
Grifting will eventually become unsustainable.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
May 30, 2023 4:58 pm

For a while I used to get young aspiring retail gals ( 5 hrs Saturday morning) to address an envelope by hand as a quick culling process.

Anchor What
Anchor What
May 30, 2023 5:01 pm

At one point he told Numbers that every time he posted he was going to replace it with something else.
Give trolls the Big A. Tolerance of them is weakness and surrender.
If someone has a valid argument rather than mere interference, it becomes obvious.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 30, 2023 5:02 pm

Bev McArthur is an upper house member for Western Victoria.
In 2022 it returned two ALP, two Liberals and a Green.
The fourth and fifth places have always been interesting in the electorate, ranging from DLP in 2006, Andy Meddick and a Hunch Party candidate in 2018.
The loony left drift in the electorate comes from the outskirts of Geelong and Bellarine/Surf Coast sea-changers.
Prosciutto thinks he can court the green vote in the Geelong/Surf Coast area, but McArthur has a decent following in the rural West (which Prosciutto will never have visited).
The end result if he chops her?
The next election will be two ALP, one Liberals, a Green and a conservative independent.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 30, 2023 5:02 pm

That Daily Mail article JC posted @4:16pm reminded me if this movie from 2009.

Orphan:

After a couple lost their baby they adopt a 9 year old girl who will soon prove to be not as nearly innocent as she appears.

A Couple Adopts a Little Girl Who is Not as Innocent as She Appears

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 30, 2023 5:02 pm

Vic Libs have a “woman problem”. A real one.

Vic Lib women have a Pesutto problem.

He seriously thinks it alright to whine about the pain of whitey turning up, but it is hurtful to point out that it came with benefits.

What business does he have in an Australian parliament in modern Australia if he thinks Australia has no redeeming features.

Is he a sack of cytoplasm version of ablative armour, kept in place to take hits while some more important and valuable piece of equipment is in place to fire when good and ready? ‘Cos I am not sure the Vic Libs have anything worth defending.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 30, 2023 5:03 pm

At one point he told Numbers that every time he posted he was going to replace it with something else.

Numbers Bob was last seen over on Michael Smith, getting hammered from arzehole to appetite, by a number of the “old and the bold”, there.

JC
JC
May 30, 2023 5:04 pm

Bons

I take issue with one of your assertions. How do you defend the point about the destruction of the entrepreneur? I’d argue the opposite is the case compared to the 60s and 70s.

bespoke
bespoke
May 30, 2023 5:04 pm
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 30, 2023 5:06 pm

Give trolls the Big A. Tolerance of them is weakness and surrender.

And he seldom had much problem with them.

I miss those days.

Mind you, the previous incarnation of Blair’s blog – before he was reined in and placed in the News Corp stable – was brilliant. I waited months until he opened up for new posters to register. It was worth it.

mem
mem
May 30, 2023 5:07 pm

The Victorian Liberals really, truly are a Claytons political party. They are Seinfeldian, a party of and about nothing.

And just when someone in the Party raises their head above the parapet and you think there might be some light coming, the sniveling Pesutto shoots them down and rubs his foot in the embers. Pesutto is not a leader and needs to be toppled if the Libs have any chance of reviving/surviving.

JMH
JMH
May 30, 2023 5:08 pm

If anyone thinks the State Lib/Nats or the Federal Coalition are likely to gain power between now and 2033 needs serious medication. This has nothing to do with a Labor “fix’ being in place. It has to do with sheer incompetence, ignorance of their electoral base and an obvious desire not to win. Why else would they, collectively, display such abject stupidity?

John H.
John H.
May 30, 2023 5:18 pm

Steve tricklersays:
May 30, 2023 at 5:02 pm
That Daily Mail article JC posted @4:16pm reminded me if this movie from 2009.

Orphan:

After a couple lost their baby they adopt a 9 year old girl who will soon prove to be not as nearly innocent as she appears.

A Couple Adopts a Little Girl Who is Not as Innocent as She Appears

Why did Lydia Thorpe come to mind? There is a sequel, 2022, Orphan: First Kill

Rabz
May 30, 2023 5:21 pm

“I don’t know what’s driving the way she said that but I do not accept that as a fair statement,” Giuseppe Prosciutto told j’ismists on Tuesday.

It was a truthful statement. The truth is sometimes unfair.

McArthur’s was a statement of the bleeding obvious. As is this – Prosciutto is a spineless useless utterly incoherent imbecile who clearly has a problem with women (i.e. not men pretending to be women) and as he may eventually discover, a problem with the electorate, who’ll overwhelmingly reject him (he’ll probably lose his seat) and the stupid forking victorian gliberals (the latter, again).

Beyond parody.

Dot
Dot
May 30, 2023 5:21 pm

Any brave kind souls willing to speculate over Germany’s recession?

Roger
Roger
May 30, 2023 5:22 pm

It has to do with sheer incompetence, ignorance of their electoral base and an obvious desire not to win. Why else would they, collectively, display such abject stupidity?

I don’t believe they have a desire not to win.

Their craven abdication of the principles Liberals once believed in is, I believe, best explained by their desire to win power at any cost. The Liberal Party, particularly at state level, is now full of shallow marketing types & careerists who look at old schoolers like McArthur and say, “Are you mad?”

rosie
rosie
May 30, 2023 5:27 pm

One station in the Kimberly’s employed twelve Aboriginal stockmen – to do the work of four “whitefella’s” – and supplied rations, basic quarters and basic medical care for eighty four of their extended families.

You’ve made this comment countless times.
I don’t suppose these Aboriginals had lived in this area for a long long time before the station owner got his cheap as chips pastoral lease and duly not paying his Aboriginal stock men any wages wasn’t being particularly generous in handing out a bit of sugar, flour tea, the odd bit of meat and allowing the families to live in what, ‘basic bark huts’? What basic medical care ? Did it involve doctors, nurses or a bandage and an aspirin for those injured in their course of their ’employment’?
It’s extremely difficult for people to transition from a stone age culture to modern civilisation.
No-one, pastoralist or government did a good job of dealing with the consequences for Aboriginal people affected by the full wage decision but to continue to pretend that those who had all the power were entirely benevolent is despicable.
Didn’t you once say your grandfather used to take his whip to his Aboriginal stock men?

rosie
rosie
May 30, 2023 5:33 pm

Persecutto is wrong.
What was going to happen, Australia should have been ring-fenced for ever to allow indigenous Australians to live in their alleged paradise?
I’m sick of black arm band history. I’m sick of everyone having doubts about the benefits of a Voice being branded racist.
I’m now happy for billions to be paid in reparations. It’ll all go on Land Cruisers and booze and it’ll be back to square one in five years.

JMH
JMH
May 30, 2023 5:35 pm

Roger, I disagree. I think the bottom line with Liberal thinking is DEBT. Pure and simple. I do not believe the State Lib/Nats nor Coalition want to assume responsibility for that albatross.

calli
calli
May 30, 2023 5:36 pm

Persecutto

LOL!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 30, 2023 5:38 pm

Any brave kind souls willing to speculate over Germany’s recession?

Self inflicted.

Lysander
Lysander
May 30, 2023 5:39 pm

I still think Dutts should offer the Australian people a plebiscite on what % of carbon emissions should be reduced and/or increased.

As this stupid ideology now pervades every aspect of Australian life, he has total justification for asking the people and he can say that he “wants to hear from all Australians.”

I’ve been pleasantly surprised by a number of colleagues at work I thought were complete climate zealots and most of them have turned out to be just “singing the corporate line” and don’t care at all.

JMH
JMH
May 30, 2023 5:42 pm

callisays:
May 30, 2023 at 5:36 pm

Persecutto

LOL!

Well, if the sandal fits, calli. This mongrel has proved he hates free-thinking women having one iota of credence in ‘his’ Party. Never, ever again, will I vote for the so-called Victorian Liberal Party as I have done in the past.

Roger
Roger
May 30, 2023 5:44 pm

Roger, I disagree. I think the bottom line with Liberal thinking is DEBT. Pure and simple. I do not believe the State Lib/Nats nor Coalition want to assume responsibility for that albatross.

if they imagine they can keep their safe seats while offering up no solutions to state debt problems, JMH, they are no students of history. The Liberals are more often than not elected to correct Labor’s ineptitude on all fronts, but most especially finances.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 30, 2023 5:48 pm

I don’t believe they have a desire not to win.

Their craven abdication of the principles Liberals once believed in is, I believe, best explained by their desire to win power at any cost.

I may have posted this before. Over the past 20 years, what now amounts to nearly half of the citizenry have been trained away from Liberal principles of limited government, community and individual self-reliance, living within means, and incentive. The ‘government is an actor in your life that does things for you and looks after you‘ rot started late Howard and has snowballed since then.

It’s what people under 40 have come to expect and build into their lives and expectations; and they make up close to 50% of the voteherd.

The Liberal Party still talks virtues and beliefs – but the Masters of the Universe that run the shitshow know that it’s waaay easier to appease and compromise than explain…

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 30, 2023 5:50 pm

Oh dear. It took me until the 15th paragraph before I hit the money shot, as it were. In all its glory that will be the only excerpt that I quote…

‘Fought for her life’: Former university lecturer Adam Brown sentenced to 24 years in jail after murdering wife Chen Cheng (Sky News, 30 May)

The gender studies professor claimed he had defended himself after Ms Cheng spat in his face and hit him during their argument.

He can now enjoy some “gender studies” in the Victorian prison system for the next couple decades. If he’s lucky the government will give him a monkey pox vaccination before he reaches his cell.

Perplexed of Brisbane
Perplexed of Brisbane
May 30, 2023 5:50 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
May 30, 2023 at 3:57 pm
Liberal MP rebuked for ‘hurtful’ Indigenous comments
Callum GoddeAAP
Tue, 30 May 2023 12:50PM

An outspoken Victorian Liberal MP has been criticised by her party leader for “hurtful” comments to Indigenous people.

Victorian Liberal leader John Pesutto is yet to speak with Ms McArthur but said the comments were hurtful to Indigenous Australians as national debate ramps up ahead of the voice to parliament referendum.

The Libs definitely have a woman problem. They are jealous of them as they seem to be the only ones in the party with any balls.

JMH
JMH
May 30, 2023 5:52 pm

if they imagine they can keep their safe seats while offering up no solutions to state debt problems, JMH, they are no students of history. The Liberals are more often than not elected to correct Labor’s ineptitude on all fronts, but most especially finances.

We are in different electoral times, Roger. What you outlined as a moral obligation no longer exists, in my opinion.

Dot
Dot
May 30, 2023 5:52 pm

He can now enjoy some “gender studies” in the Victorian prison system for the next couple decades. If he’s lucky the government will give him a monkey pox vaccination before he reaches his cell.

Based.

Dot
Dot
May 30, 2023 5:53 pm

I’ve been pleasantly surprised by a number of colleagues at work I thought were complete climate zealots and most of them have turned out to be just “singing the corporate line” and don’t care at all.

Do they genuinely not care or do they just do what they are told to think by the likes of Kochie and Karl?

Roger
Roger
May 30, 2023 5:54 pm

The Liberal Party still talks virtues and beliefs – but the Masters of the Universe that run the shitshow know that it’s waaay easier to appease and compromise than explain…

Call me old fashioned (and I’m going back to Aristotle here!), but if politics is not the art of persuasion what is it?

Nothing more than buying votes by various means. Democracies die thereby.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

rosie says: May 30, 2023 at 5:27 pm

One station in the Kimberly’s employed twelve Aboriginal stockmen – to do the work of four “whitefella’s” – and supplied rations, basic quarters and basic medical care for eighty four of their extended families.

You’ve made this comment countless times.

… and it is still just as accurate.

I don’t suppose these Aboriginals had lived in this area for a long long time before the station owner got his cheap as chips pastoral lease and duly not paying his Aboriginal stock men any wages wasn’t being particularly generous in handing out a bit of sugar, flour tea, the odd bit of meat and allowing the families to live in what, ‘basic bark huts’? What basic medical care ? Did it involve doctors, nurses or a bandage and an aspirin for those injured in their course of their ’employment’?
It’s extremely difficult for people to transition from a stone age culture to modern civilisation.
No-one, pastoralist or government did a good job of dealing with the consequences for Aboriginal people affected by the full wage decision but to continue to pretend that those who had all the power were entirely benevolent is despicable.

Crikey Rosie, where did you get all that from? It is unrecognisable to people who were there.

Didn’t you once say your grandfather used to take his whip to his Aboriginal stock men?

Lol. Surely you can do better than this. That sort of doggerel is of the calibre of trolls like Sancho or JC.

Lysander
Lysander
May 30, 2023 6:00 pm

Call me old fashioned (and I’m going back to Aristotle here!), but if politics is not the art of persuasion what is it?

Tucker spoke about this at that amazing Heritage Foundation speech he gave. He simply said “it doesn’t work anymore”

calli
calli
May 30, 2023 6:01 pm

Bismarck said the politics was the art of the possible and the next best.

In Victoria there’s a fair bit of daylight between the two.

Lysander
Lysander
May 30, 2023 6:05 pm

Democracy: like picking your favorite flavor of bad ice cream.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 30, 2023 6:06 pm

Vicki, lovely story about the cantankerous cow who wasn’t.

All animals have their particular charm when you get to know them.
Inter-species friendliness is something real, that happens.
We all have needs for love sometimes, no matter how it arrives.
Cows think that too.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 30, 2023 6:08 pm

Call me old fashioned (and I’m going back to Aristotle here!), but if politics is not the art of persuasion what is it?

Nothing more than buying votes by various means. Democracies die thereby.

Persuasion is so last century.
Technique. That’s the go.

Carefully crafted slogans.
And the right tone of experts.
And circuses.
And identification and punishment of noxii.
And demonisation of fusty dusty rusty tradition.

Whenever has that gone wrong?

Robert Sewell
May 30, 2023 6:09 pm

Re: Indolents story on Woke US.
Russia could bring this all to a head by opening the KGB/GRU files and exposing the people his previous governments supported in trying to bring about the downfall of the US.
But he won’t because these people + the Security Apparatus of the US are already in a war with him.
I wonder if he has thought ahead to the US he will be facing in ten years time?
They will NOT be allies.

Roger
Roger
May 30, 2023 6:09 pm

Tucker spoke about this at that amazing Heritage Foundation speech he gave. He simply said “it doesn’t work anymore”

Interesting thing to say in the era of Obama and Trump.

Whatever else they may be, they are contemporary exemplars of the ars rhetorica , for good or evil.

(With due acknowledgment of Obama’s teleprompter.)

JC
JC
May 30, 2023 6:12 pm

And in comes security. You gotta laugh. Daddy saves the day.

Roger
Roger
May 30, 2023 6:17 pm

Bismarck said the politics was the art of the possible and the next best.

In Victoria there’s a fair bit of daylight between the two.

And between Bismarck and modern politicians!

rosie
rosie
May 30, 2023 6:20 pm

Crikey Rosie, where did you get all that from? It is unrecognisable to people who were there.

No, that’s more lies.
There was a ROYAL Commission in Western Australia into the treatment of Aboriginal stockman in 1905 which noted their slave like conditions of employment.
There was a further enquiry in the 50s/60s that noted not only the widespread exploitation but the outright theft of aged pensions and child endowment by station owners.
I’ve linked the papers before, you obviously didn’t bother to read them.
As for the whipping comment, I believe it was made back on Sinc’s old forum.

Roger
Roger
May 30, 2023 6:22 pm

Democracy: like picking your favorite flavor of bad ice cream.

As political systems go, democracy is the least worst choice, to paraphrase Churchill.

Mind you, he might take a more jaundiced view in regard to its present iteration in the anglosphere.

Delta A
Delta A
May 30, 2023 6:24 pm

Surely you can do better than this. That sort of doggerel is of the calibre of trolls like Sancho or JC.

Rosie spoke the truth. Her post does not warrant your disparaging comments.

Furthermore, Sancho and JC are not trolls. They are valued, long time contributors to this blog. And they are superb fishermen, coaxing many a bite with every cast. 🙂

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 30, 2023 6:26 pm

Nice troll, Delta A.

caveman
caveman
May 30, 2023 6:28 pm

And no, Lehmann isn’t a “complete idiot now”, he has to choose his targets carefully. Also, none of this comes cheap

Yep, he’s pulled some coin from a defamation case where they didnt mention his name, pretty hard to do. That was a win for the target on the bigger prize.

mem
mem
May 30, 2023 6:29 pm

JMHsays:
May 30, 2023 at 4:33 pm
No damages were paid in the settlement but a “contribution” to legal costs was made. How long is a piece of string? This also avoids the matter proceeding to court.

I’m not one to put my faith in newscorp “journalism” mem, but should this be the case, I hope Bruce settled for hundreds of thousands of dollars contributed to his legal costs. If that is the case, then settlement would make sense.

And this keeps them separate from further litigation in the wings which is likely to become very public. I would say a goodly $’000s legal fee/cost contribution in confidence would be in keeping.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 30, 2023 6:31 pm

In the car heading to the Big Smoke and the fkn stupid TeeVee bint on 3AW spilt large numbers of beans before I could hit mute.
No vague hints.
She started a blow-by-blow replay of events.

That’s bad luck, Sancho. But if it’s any comfort, the reviews (Jena Clarke etc) that we read late last night after the final episode of Succession were feeble in the extreme and didn’t get to the heart of matters at all. There is so much more to experience than any bare bones (some of which were incorrect) offered by reviewers more caught up in the what than the why.

cohenite
May 30, 2023 6:31 pm

Amber Jade Sanderson has won the ballot and will be the next WA Prem.

(She is an awful person and is further Left than Dan Andrews).

Not as far left as the former leader of the libs in WA, the imbecile zak kirkup. That name tells you all you need to know about the libs.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

First class trolling by Delta A:

Furthermore, Sancho and JC are not trolls.

That’ll not be easy to top.

Robert Sewell
May 30, 2023 6:34 pm

Cassie:
Sancho Panzer
May 30, 2023 at 3:36 pm
No matter how you hold that “cultural” figleaf, Nurse Bobby, your racism is still showing.
Let me guess.
Did a nasty Indian doctor or supervisor in Nurse Bobby’s past yank his chain over some shoddy work habits?

Cassie of Sydney
May 30, 2023 at 3:38 pm
“Sancho Panzersays:
May 30, 2023 at 3:36 pm”
Snap Sancho.

Cassie:
Do you believe that?

Did a nasty Indian doctor or supervisor in Nurse Bobby’s past yank his chain over some shoddy work habits?

Really?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 30, 2023 6:37 pm

The Victorian Liberals really, truly are a Claytons political party. They are Seinfeldian, a party of and about nothing.

Standby for a mini-rant*.
I trace it back to the cardboard cut-out Ted Baillieu (probably a few years before that). I went to a function where he was guest speaker when in opposition. Totally phoning it in. He feigned a bit of angst over the unions, but the rest of it was uninspiring drivel.
As we were leaving I said to a Liberal Party member, “If he’s the best we’ve got, we’re fckd.”
He only got elected because the Bracks/Brumby lot had gone stale.
As soon as he got in all he gave a rats about was renovating NGV, which 93.1% of people didn’t give a shit about. He let East-West link wither on the vine as soon as a couple of Greenies waved a placard.
One thing I will give Andrews. Once elected, his pet projects were fast-tracked and would have been irreversible even if his was a one-term government.
(Ignoring for a moment the maaaates aspect of the Big Billed).
The spine-free Baillieu didn’t even last a full term and one of the contributing factors was his CoS “undermining Simon Overland”.
FMD.
A Henry Bolte type wouldn’t have allowed it to get to that. He would have announced day 1 that he had no confidence in Overland and fired the prick.
Mad as hell, but I’ll stop for now.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

There was a further enquiry in the 50s/60s that noted not only the widespread exploitation but the outright theft of aged pensions and child endowment by station owners.

Name the stations. Such theft wasn’t possible anywhere I’ve been.
The police officer-in-charge, wearing the hat of protector of aborigines, & the state govt – that would be an entirely different matter.

Life on a station wasn’t all flowers & dancing. Nor was it Belsen, as you’re almost implying.

Cassie of Sydney
May 30, 2023 6:46 pm

“bonssays:
May 30, 2023 at 4:58 pm”

Agree 100% Bons. Very good comment.

I would argue that back in the late 1960s and 1970s, when those momentous social changes were occurring, there was still a strong family unit and religion was also still important in society, and both of these provided a buffer to those radical societal changes.

And yes, many of those changes in the 1960s and 1970s were driven by a groundswell in the population, be it the pill, opportunities for women to work, easier divorce and so on. In hindsight, I believe many of those changes were bad, some were not. However nobody foresaw the collapse of religion and the family in the West, although there were some, who like Cassandra at Troy, warned of the consequences, and who were sneered, ridiculed and ignored.

And this Cassie says that there will a corrective, which I suspect will not be pretty.

Brian
Brian
May 30, 2023 6:49 pm

I have heard one of the Pearson brothers speak about the change to full wages having a devastating affect upon his people.
While I have no doubt due to human nature there were abuses, none-the-less, the greatest abuse was the removal from meaningful employment and the shift to welfare payments.
While Noel is a mixed bag, his stated vision for his people is proper employment.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 30, 2023 6:50 pm

Amber Jade Sanderson has won the ballot and will be the next WA Prem.

Amber is yellow, and jade is green…

Cassie of Sydney
May 30, 2023 6:51 pm

“Robert Sewellsays:
May 30, 2023 at 6:34 pm”

Robert, I was responding “snap” to Sancho’s comment at 3.36 about a certain former Liberal treasurer of WA, by the name of Troy Buswell, who liked to sniff chairs where women had sat.

Sancho Panzersays:
May 30, 2023 at 3:36 pm
H B Bearsays:

May 30, 2023 at 3:27 pm

Who was “the Buzz”?

Troy Buswell. One time WA Treasurer and Emperor Barney’s heir apparent. Disappeared into WA corporates except for occasional appearances on the 6pm News as he pleads to variety of charges. Possibly not suited to public life.

And Forensic Chair Inspector.”

It had nothing to do with you or anything that you wrote.

Vicki
Vicki
May 30, 2023 7:00 pm

Re the “transition” of Aborigines in outback Australia via station jobs & the support of tribal clan groups:

Of course it wasn’t ideal and there were inequities on both sides. Aboriginal stockmen were not always the “natural horsemen” that have been described. Early settlers had to teach them concern and care in looking after valued working animals. Tribal obligations also made them unreliable. No – there was not ideal housing and medical care for the extended families. But that was most often not available for settlers either.

But, in retrospect, station jobs did provide a “transition” for many young Aboriginal men. If these opportunities had continued and not been deliberately scuttled by do-gooders like Coombes and his ilk, we might not have the appalling conditions in isolated communities that we now see.

BTW in spite of the gloomy prospects that the Voice proponents claim for anyone of Aboriginal descent, those very Voice leaders are testimony to the opportunities that have been available for generations. Aborigines continue to be represented in many areas of achievement – in art, in sport, in dance, in cinema, in politics and in the Academy. Why does no one acknowledge this????

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 30, 2023 7:05 pm

Mr Pesutto declined to say whether he would counsel or warn her over the remarks, or if she would face any punishment.

He’s shellshocked.
It was still the correct thing to say.
Who cares about the wonders of Western Civ.?
The issue is that The Voice will dwarf the NDIS & Medicare combined and be a parasite’s picnic, not all the wonderful things we’ve done for Abos, which is hypocrisy and cant of the first order anyway.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
May 30, 2023 7:07 pm

What would be hilarious is if Tim Smith returns to run in Persecutto’s (Gold btw) seat and rolls the useless prick.

JMH
JMH
May 30, 2023 7:11 pm

DeltaA at 6.24 pm:

Furthermore, Sancho and JC are not trolls. They are valued, long time contributors to this blog. And they are superb fishermen, coaxing many a bite with every cast. ?

You may think these contributors to this blog – and Sinc’s – deserve the vilification they received over the years from Bobo the crap-throwing Chimp as an example of fishing? Nope, this is pure vitriol.
Zulu
Eyrie
Matrix Transform
Timothy Neilson
Salvatore
Winston
Bruce of Newk
Arky
Mater
Bourne1879
And, of course, me.
If I have overlooked other targets of Bobo’s vicious, vindictive malice, then feel free to update the list.
DeltaA – are you sure your account hasn’t been hacked because nobody could be so stupid as to think multiple attacks on these contributors was just ‘fishing’? It was – and is relentless persecution.
Sancho is just a yippity yappity, yap, yap Chihuahua at Bobo’s beck and call. He has nothing of consequence to contribute.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
May 30, 2023 7:12 pm

ADH TV:

‘Anyone who visited Western Australia during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, will have seen authoritarianism that was until then more closely associated with the Soviet Union and North Korea.’

Fred Pawle says good riddance to soon to be former Western Australian Premier Mark McGowan.

4:26

Mark McGowan was one of Australia’s worst ever premiers | Fred Pawle

JC
JC
May 30, 2023 7:12 pm

Lord almighty, what a massive triggering. All because

1. Hallward wants to be known as a first class engineer and Toowoomba’s response to Elon Musk. (Toowoomba is Australia’s Silicon Valley).
2. Driller was asked to name a small number of the 52 permits and licenses he claimed are required to operate a pub and the response was that it’s trolling. Approximately 2 months ago, he was saying I was a valued member of the blog club. A complete 180 in 2 months. I’m so chagrined.
3. Faulty 2 wants respect like Fredo in the Godfather

Rosie, you posted an intelligent well written comment with reasonable detail. Meanwhile, the Driller’s response is that you have no lived experience (as usual). It’s about time this weirdo was held to account by responding in some detail as all we usually receive backwater assertions and blowharding (as it appears to be the case with the license/permits nonsense).

JC
JC
May 30, 2023 7:17 pm

And of course Karen, who spent two years along with a good number of those on that list piling on and trying to scorch a woman who posts generally harmless comments, and here she is pretending she’s now taking the high road. FMD. She thinks people have forgotten.

Also, he includes mater on the list, we have a decent relationship.

She’s been busy though writing her local member very angry letters.

Roger
Roger
May 30, 2023 7:17 pm

Aborigines continue to be represented in many areas of achievement – in art, in sport, in dance, in cinema, in politics and in the Academy. Why does no one acknowledge this????

Because it counters the narrative.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 30, 2023 7:19 pm

Aborigines continue to be represented in many areas of achievement – in art, in sport, in dance, in cinema, in politics and in the Academy.

Why does no one acknowledge this????

Because it’s patronising, lame, and untrue.
They’re good at games, and that’s where it begins and ends.

Razey
Razey
May 30, 2023 7:20 pm

refusing to tolerate any dissent to their low rent theories created intolerant, ill-informed, ultra gullible and entitled Gen X

There was no woke shit in STEM up until I finished my second degree in 2004 at least.

JC
JC
May 30, 2023 7:21 pm

Sancho is just a yippity yappity, yap, yap Chihuahua at Bobo’s beck and call. He has nothing of consequence to contribute.

LOL
Of course, Angry Karen furiously informing people she agrees with them and big-noting herself about how many angry letters she’s written to MP’s is considered valued contribution by her.

Tom
Tom
May 30, 2023 7:27 pm

On A Current Affair, chief Australian trade union Karen Sally McManus thinks the good life can roll on forever without any consideration of what it taken to pay the bills in a competitive economy — the socialist dream.

This is the endgame of the trashing of the Australian education system to exclude the teaching of history.

JC
JC
May 30, 2023 7:27 pm

Because it’s patronising, lame, and untrue.

I may not be much to people, but they were at the forefront of abstract art in the 90s and early noughts. It’s not nothing. Aboriginal art is also making a comeback in the US in a big way with specialist Australian galleries opening up shop in the big cities.

Like this one in NYC.
https://dlancontemporary.com.au/

Some of it is quite beautiful if you like abstract art.

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 30, 2023 7:28 pm

I’ve had run-ins with JC over the years but the blog wouldn’t be the same without JC and Sancho.

calli
calli
May 30, 2023 7:31 pm

Any blog that tolerates me must be full of trolls.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
May 30, 2023 7:32 pm

Roger Cook is the new WA Premier.

Ruby-Garnet Sanderson withdrew from the contest.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Tom says: May 30, 2023 at 7:27 pm
On A Current Affair, chief Australian trade union Karen Sally McManus thinks …

That would be chief Australian trade union Karen Sally “turn on the taps” McManus… etc.

JC
JC
May 30, 2023 7:37 pm

Milt, we have? When?

The thing about some of the idiots on Angry Karen’s list are that they’re

1. Unable to accept dissent.
2. Are irredeemably dishonest
3. Have serious mental issues
4. just Stoopid.
5. all four of the above.

I find all four of those attributes intolerable.

Karen is still smarting over the Liz thing, and because he copped a clipping because I asked the owner of the lollipop blog to offer people a bio. Karen thought I was being impertinent to ask.
She also lost a few pile-on pals when I stopped the Liz scorching. I never received any credit, but that’s no big deal as I’m big-hearted like that. 🙂

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 30, 2023 7:40 pm

JC I remember we had a bit of a disagreement about tariffs and Australian manufacturing but that’s ok.

rosie
rosie
May 30, 2023 7:41 pm
Razey
Razey
May 30, 2023 7:41 pm

Roger Cooker.

LOL.

Delta A
Delta A
May 30, 2023 7:48 pm

DeltaA – are you sure your account hasn’t been hacked because nobody could be so stupid as to think multiple attacks on these contributors was just ‘fishing’? It was – and is relentless persecution.

It seems I was too subtle. For ‘fishing’, read ‘game-playing’.

They are having a big chuckle while the biters rush right in, exploding at the malice they read in every post. This is a blog, fellas, remember? We’re all a bunch of pixels floating in the ether capacious. It has zero to do with our real lives. No-one can be hurt or offended unless they choose to be.

Yes, I enjoy (most of) JC and Sancho’s posts. Just as I enjoy posts from* Matrix, Timothy Neilson, Winnie, Arky, Mater, yourself and others whom you perceive as victims of persecution. BTW,that’s a tad condescending, don’t you think? These are strong pixels who don’t need any white-knighting.

Sure, jump in with the retorts whenever the occasion demands, but don’t sook when the going gets too tough.

*I do not enjoy posts by blowhards and/or liars.

JC
JC
May 30, 2023 7:48 pm

Rosie,a few years ago the Gagosian gallery in NYC had a potion of Steve Martin’s aboriginal art collection on display. Apparently Martin is a huge collector and travels here frequently to buy art.. Truly, I had never seen such beautiful abstract art as what was being shown. I was smacked by it.

(Gagosian is the largest private gallery in the world I believe).

Crossie
Crossie
May 30, 2023 7:48 pm

bons says:
May 30, 2023 at 4:58 pm
I must disagree with the proposition that compares contemporary social change to that which occurred in the 60’s & 70’s.
The ealier revolution was indeed a groundswell event that was bottom up. It was not imposed.

Bons, you have a point. I looked at effects instead of causes for the effects.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

It seems I was too subtle. For ‘fishing’, read ‘game-playing’.

Children play games.
Very apt Delta A.
You troll better than most.

MatrixTransform
May 30, 2023 7:52 pm

the real problem is that certain noises in the forum are very thin-skinned and they clearly take any critique or disagreement as a personal insult.

their go-to response is too often a stream of simplistic personal invective

which consequently provokes more piss-taking

Rabz
May 30, 2023 7:52 pm

It has to do with sheer incompetence, ignorance of their electoral base and an obvious desire not to win. Why else would they, collectively, display such abject stupidity?

There are some very sound points made in the comment above. areff wrote a legendary column in Quadrant after Denny Naptime “led” the gliberals into electoral oblivion back in late 2014, thus ushering in the interminable reign of terror of that grotesque deformed jug eared fascist imbecile.

areff’s central observation in the column was that the stupid forking victorian gliberals exhibited no desire whatsoever to win the 2014 election.

We’ve just witnessed a similar attitude here in NSW where that pathetic one dimensional empty suited milksop milquetoast Dumb Parrothead exhibited as much electoral winning fervour as Naptime back in 2014.

Tired useless collectivist policy disaster purveying frauds that are deservedly unable to point to a single positive achievement during their 12 years in government.

I now hate the gliberals even more than I hate labore and the greenfilth, which is a monumental achievement by the former. Inexcusable frauds masquerading as a political party which should be deregistered on that basis alone.

Razey
Razey
May 30, 2023 7:52 pm

We’re never gonna survive unless we get a little crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fc67yQsPqQ

JC
JC
May 30, 2023 7:54 pm

Miltonf says:
May 30, 2023 at 7:40 pm

JC I remember we had a bit of a disagreement about tariffs and Australian manufacturing but that’s ok.

Did we? You don’t appear hurt and teary-eyed like some here. Which reminds me…

Milt, would you please ask Driller if he would be kind enough to supply 5 more licenses and permits that I can add to what the AI chatbot dredged up. He won’t talk to me and accuses me of trolling and lying merely by asking for a small sample of the 52 he claimed. He refuses to talk to me and I haven’t even been rude to him this time.

Could you also ask the idiot to stop it with the secret service detail as it really looks lame these days.
-:)

JMH
JMH
May 30, 2023 7:55 pm

As an aside, when did Timothy Neilson last post on this blog? In my opinion, he was driven off. You can work out why.
I miss his contributions.

JC
JC
May 30, 2023 7:56 pm

MatrixTransform says:
May 30, 2023 at 7:52 pm

the real problem is that certain noises in the forum are very thin-skinned and they clearly take any critique or disagreement as a personal insult.

their go-to response is too often a stream of simplistic personal invective

which consequently provokes more piss-taking

Interesting bio there, Trans. Would you also mind adding in places of work dates and references.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 30, 2023 7:56 pm

It was – and is relentless persecution.

I think you’ve done quite a bit of this yourself, JMH.

I think it’s best if you let water flow under that bridge now, as I do.

Sancho is very witty, sometimes to the point of being cruel, but he does make us laugh a lot.
And he seems to be the only bugger here who watches Succession, which outside this blog is what the rest of the world is yapping their heads off about, especially around political and media water coolers.

Gotta be a point in his favour.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

he was driven off

Total mystery why he disappeared.

He was anonymously contacted in his real life, at work, at his workplace. His comments made in conversation in real life were then held up in public as an object of derision, along with his real name & his actual workplace.

JC
JC
May 30, 2023 7:59 pm

As an aside, when did Timothy Neilson last post on this blog? In my opinion, he was driven off. You can work out why.
I miss his contributions.

Karen obviously misses the Liz scorches obviously. That’s all he was doing towards the end. Partners.

The ironic thing about him was that he was maliciously accusing Liz of the very things he was doing himself. That vanity bio was a hysterical.

MatrixTransform
May 30, 2023 7:59 pm

second gen Italian-Australians and their Parma Facie arguments

… I can’t see that happening
… it’s the vibe
… and that aint real leather

Cassie of Sydney
May 30, 2023 8:00 pm

I recall a lot, and I mean a lot, of vilification and vitriol abuse directed against Lizzie and Rosie here on this site. In fact I would argue that they are the two most vilified posters on this blog, but that’s okay, they can and do return serve, although I suspect some of the abuse hurts. I admire both Rosie and Lizzie’s resilience. I’m lucky to know Lizzie personally and she’s a wonderful, intelligent and interesting woman, and along with the other Cats I have been lucky to meet, most recently at Rabz’s for NSW election night. I also hope one day to meet more Cats, particularly next time I get to Melbourne.

I don’t mind someone preaching and pontificating about the horrors of being on the receiving end of vilification and vitriol, it’s just that there’s one thing I truly hate in this world and that is hypocrisy so, when those who do preach and pontificate about abuse are themselves “not without sin” when it comes to throwing abuse and joining in on pile ons of a woman such as Lizzie, perhaps, just perhaps, they’re in no position to lecture others.

MatrixTransform
May 30, 2023 8:00 pm

speaking of leather
… a real bull would deffo have a thicker skin

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 30, 2023 8:01 pm

I miss his contributions.

I don’t.

I don’t miss steamrollers.

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 30, 2023 8:02 pm

I’m certain he’s aware of you request JC.

Could you also ask the idiot to stop it with the secret service detail as it really looks lame these days.
-:)

Is that anything to do with the Deakin telephone exchange?

Crossie
Crossie
May 30, 2023 8:03 pm

rosie says:
May 30, 2023 at 5:33 pm
Persecutto is wrong.
What was going to happen, Australia should have been ring-fenced for ever to allow indigenous Australians to live in their alleged paradise?
I’m sick of black arm band history. I’m sick of everyone having doubts about the benefits of a Voice being branded racist.
I’m now happy for billions to be paid in reparations. It’ll all go on Land Cruisers and booze and it’ll be back to square one in five years.

Rosie, what makes you think it will be a one-off payment in reparation? It’s been made abundantly clear that the payments are meant to be in perpetuity. Even the current sit-down money is in the same vein just not as huge.

JMH
JMH
May 30, 2023 8:06 pm

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupiditysays:
May 30, 2023 at 7:59 pm

he was driven off

Total mystery why he disappeared.

He was anonymously contacted in his real life, at work, at his workplace. His comments made in conversation in real life were then held up in public as an object of derision, along with his real name & his actual workplace.
Well, well. That explains quite a lot. I wonder who would have stooped to that level to seek revenge? You can’t get any lower than that.

Cassie of Sydney
May 30, 2023 8:07 pm

I miss Mater, Rex Anger and Infidel Tiger.

calli
calli
May 30, 2023 8:07 pm

Are we raking over old coals? Why do women, and some men, do that I wonder.

I’d better watch it otherwise I’ll make the most stupid comment on the Interwebs evah! But then I’d only be outdoing myself, no contest in that.

😀

rosie
rosie
May 30, 2023 8:08 pm

I really like the old school aboriginal art too JC.
I’m a bit dubious about some more recent work, for various reasons.

Delta A
Delta A
May 30, 2023 8:08 pm

He was anonymously contacted in his real life, at work, at his workplace. His comments made in conversation in real life were then held up in public as an object of derision, along with his real name & his actual workplace.

If true, despicable.

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