Open Thread – Weekend 17 June 2023


An Out-of-Doors Study, John Singer Sargent, 1889


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Rabz
June 17, 2023 10:17 pm

Top o’ da page!

Rabz
June 17, 2023 10:18 pm

In an imaginary parallel universe! 🙂

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 17, 2023 10:18 pm

Lol the ad for Warnie miniseries. The Gatting ball, watch on the ad the delivery from the hand. Not sure Warnie was an orthodox finger spinner but according to the ad, yes he was. Not sending their best these producers.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 17, 2023 10:19 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

June 17, 2023 at 9:56 pm

Mr Smith, the wobbling Garrett impersonator.

Gorn. Snivels from the field, as he should.

And taking the clipped ticket of a wasted DRS review with him.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 17, 2023 10:22 pm

Cassie of Sydney.

I want to pinch your on the bum. You are one coolest chicks on the internet.

Creedence Clearwater Revival – Have You Ever Seen The Rain

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 17, 2023 10:22 pm

Is it just me or do all Bony M songs sound the same?

All the music from that era sounded the same…

Bar Beach Swimmer
June 17, 2023 10:22 pm

Which did not withstand the fast bowlers…

Bar Beach Swimmer
June 17, 2023 10:24 pm

Their wickets fell fast,

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 17, 2023 10:25 pm

Cassie of Sydney.

I want to pinch your on the bum. You are one coolest chicks on the internet.

Cassie, if you wish, I am happy to demand satisfaction from this oaf.

Pistols, at dawn, for two, and breakfast for one.

Bar Beach Swimmer
June 17, 2023 10:25 pm

It was such a great blast…

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 17, 2023 10:27 pm

… you

Muddy
Muddy
June 17, 2023 10:27 pm

A reader’s [allegedly] response to/review of, Dr. Kevin Donelly’s Cancel Culture And The Left’s Long March

I read this purely so that I could get some insight into the state of Australia’s far-right, and I can comfortably say that there is very little of substance to be found here. This charmless, misguided discourse is about as engaging as a brick, and half as informative. To call this literature would be an insult to kindergarteners all over the world, who undoubtedly apply more effort to learning the alphabet than Kevin Donnelly has exerted over the course of his entire political career. This book poses a greater threat to brain cells than crystal methamphetamine, and is statistically more likely to cause haemorrhaging than blunt force trauma. On a more serious note, this book is rife with logical inconsistencies and unsubstantiated claims, underlined by very thinly veiled prejudice, particularly against the LGBTQ+ community. The concept of cancel culture in and of itself is something I am extremely critical of, particularly for it’s tendency towards extremism and a pervasive “guilty until proven innocent” mentality. Bearing that in mind, I’m unsure that an accurate definition or example of cancel culture is ever even given in this book. It’s main purpose in this text is to act as a political “straw man” with which the featured writers can argue against without acknowledging any opposition. By this logic any valid criticisms directed at the political far right can simply be brushed off as ‘cancel culture’ simply because critics seek discourse or even simple accountability. This is the political equivalent of a child hitting their younger sibling, and then throwing a tantrum when they get hit back. All in all, this book and the featured essayists are ineffectual, and very clearly out of touch. The insensitive handling of sensitive topics demonstrates a clear lack of human empathy, and the incessant demonisation of the LGBTQ+ community is indicative of a deep running distaste for those who don’t conform. If this is the best fight Australia’s far right can put up, then I suspect the “Left’s Long March” to victory might not be quite as long as you anticipate, Mr Donnelly.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
June 17, 2023 10:28 pm

I’m going back to the days when the Australian Defence Forces were comprised of a gang of mildly alcoholic,
I understand in recent years when Chynah sent its ship down around Aus with its listening sensors to our exercises and defence systems our military sent a chopper out with a pallet of beer…which was then set on the deck of the Chynah ship. Message being ‘yes we know u r there, yes we also do the same to you, but since we r generally nice folk, have a beer on us’. Apparently this is what we have done and do from time to time.

Rabz
June 17, 2023 10:28 pm

Warnie was an orthodox finger spinner

BB – bizarre parallel universes being invoked, again.

Not that Gatts deserves any better historical treatment, FFS.

Although I would love to see a Hollyweird reimagining of his legendary contretemps with pakistoornee umpire Shakoor Rana. Iron Bottom* also weighed in, saying he wouldn’t have sent his MiL there**, as it would have constituted “cruel and unusual punishment”.

*This wallee
**Porkistoorn

Bar Beach Swimmer
June 17, 2023 10:28 pm

But the best one to fall was the Warner!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 17, 2023 10:29 pm

Black Ballsays:

June 17, 2023 at 10:07 pm

I read a cricket journo before the Test Championship saying that Warner wanted a swansong summer, culminating in his last match at the SCG. 

He’s already announced it.
He thinks by saying it that he has cornered the selectors. He thinks that they wouldn’t dare drop him as that would be akin to shooting Bambi.
I might be wrong.
He might get a rapturous send off at the SCG. But every cricket fan I talk to hates him with a passion.
In terms of misjudging the public mood, he and his missus are the Nicholae and Elena Ceausescu of Australian cricket.

Rabz
June 17, 2023 10:30 pm
Louis Litt
Louis Litt
June 17, 2023 10:35 pm

When in Melbs, I have unearthed the ultimate culinary tour – the epicurean on Brunswick St Fitzroy for the Stuffed Capsicum and coke &21.00 lunch special, then the trams to St kilda to the 4 pastry shops next to eachother.
For you victim wimmenz who get the guilts for enjoying eating you then take the roller coaster ride at Luna Park – that so rickety and throws you side to side it’s bound to make you spew. The physical embodiment of guilt on the groung in front of you.

Rabz
June 17, 2023 10:37 pm

“In a conversation with Senator Sinodinis…”

“… just before the kneepads were excitedly donned”

The gliberals are a disgrace. The entire sham is a disgrace.

NUKE FROM ORBIT.

To be sure. The only way, it is.

miltonf
miltonf
June 17, 2023 10:38 pm

obnoxious

miltonf
miltonf
June 17, 2023 10:40 pm
Fair Shake
Fair Shake
June 17, 2023 10:44 pm
Crossie
Crossie
June 17, 2023 10:46 pm

Rabz says:
June 17, 2023 at 5:37 pm
Bear – Teats (in)gloriously lost not one, but two elections.
The first was against The “Potential Grateness” himself, Waffles Turnbuckle in 2016 and then Goose Morristeen in 2019.
He may just yet be resurrected for 2025, sporting a glamourous new woife.
You heard it here first, Cats.

A second wife who broke up her husband’s first marriage can be assured that the same will be done to her. She has trained her husband that there are no downsides for him to cheating.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 17, 2023 10:49 pm

We can rest assured Rabz that S K Warne sits comfortably in the top 5 cricketers the world has ever seen.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 17, 2023 10:51 pm

Not sure Warnie was an orthodox finger spinner but according to the ad, yes he was. Not sending their best these producers.

Judging by the disastrous ‘Bradman’ mini-series in which Gray Sweet played the Don, this will be another cringy trainwreck thought up by a ponytail who’s never picked up a bat and whose market research consists of reading New Idea in the ‘breakout room’.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 17, 2023 10:54 pm

A second wife who broke up her husband’s first marriage can be assured that the same will be done to her.

I’m citing you the example of a certain Perth “colorful business identity” who abandoned his marriage,
to marry his secretary.

The lady realized that the marriage was in trouble, when she received the same phone calls about how he was delayed at the office, and working late, that she used to make to the first wife……

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 17, 2023 10:56 pm

But every cricket fan I talk to hates him with a passion

Those in certain circles will advise that Warner is hated by his teammates even more than the public.

Look at the over-representation of Gray-Nicolls bats used by the current lot. Gray-Nick pulled Warner’s sponsorship after Sandpapergate – and as a consequence (apparently) quite a few of the players dropped their own brands and went looking for Gray-Nicolls. Just as a quiet ‘f*ck you, Dave’.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
June 17, 2023 10:58 pm

I do like the 70s when men were men and Jeanies were genies … what the ..stop that ! stop that!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 17, 2023 10:58 pm

A second wife who broke up her husband’s first marriage can be assured that the same will be done to her.

100%.

Advice given to the son and heir: ‘If she cheats with you, she’ll cheat on you.’

miltonf
miltonf
June 17, 2023 10:59 pm

Enjoyed Utah Saints thanks FS. Ok goodnight all.

MatrixTransform
June 17, 2023 11:03 pm

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/toyota-claims-solid-state-battery-breakthrough-will-give-evs-932-mile-range

Then the plans move to a 932 mile range and a less-than-10 minute charging time. For a quick comparison, the article notes that right now the Tesla Model Y has a “maximum 330-mile range and 15-minute charging via Tesla Supercharger

rough numbers
tesla battery~ 85 kVA
3x range ~ 250 kVA
battery volts ~ 1000V
amps~ 250A

charge in 15 minutes -> 4* 250 == 1000 Amps

yeah … nah … 630 mm^2 cable

Approx weight per meter 7.1 Kg times 2

… nanna’s gonna struggle to plug that in

JC
JC
June 17, 2023 11:09 pm

Trans, how is any of your indecipherable crap directly related to Toyota moving to solid state batteries? You deceitful imbecile.

MatrixTransform
June 17, 2023 11:14 pm

stfu JC

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Ireland has a cricket team in the same manner that Malaysia has a gridiron team.

Err, wrong.
They made the playoffs of the last T20 World Cup.

Eh? What’s that you say?
T20 – * snort * – (baseball with a wider bat.)

However:
I ruly ruly ruly hope Ireland flog Australia. Crikkit Australia can then stick that in their “say Yes to the Voice” – & stick it without the benefit of axle grease.
Crikey I hope those voice-loving BLM-kneelers get beaten by the Micks – and by Nepal, and by Laos, & anybody else.

JC
JC
June 17, 2023 11:26 pm

Trans
]’ll ignore the abuse and will ask the question again. How does your scrawl prove that Toyota’s solid state breakthrough won’t work as they claim?

Go!

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
June 17, 2023 11:29 pm

From Daily Mail

Thousands of protestors block entrance to Dodgers Stadium as team honors group of ‘Godless’ and ‘Christ-mocking’ queer and trans nuns in front of nearly empty stands for Pride Night.

Clearly the team owners not heard of Bud Light.

Indolent
Indolent
June 17, 2023 11:30 pm
MatrixTransform
June 17, 2023 11:41 pm

How does your scrawl prove that Toyota’s solid state breakthrough won’t work as they claim?

lemme get this straight in my head

Toyota invent a whole new electro-chemistry for car batteries
that everybody is too stupid to achieve

instead of selling it to every other EV manufacturer
they decide to put in in their Lexus ?

my theory is that you get stupider every time you post something here
… you’re not doing yourself any favours mate

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
June 17, 2023 11:41 pm

Is that an echo echo echo beach

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 17, 2023 11:45 pm

she understands why Trump still has such a huge following among the hollowed out communities, towns and cities that once comprised America’s industrial rust belt, how these people over the last two decades have been done over, sold out by globalism, free trade, corporatism, big pharma and so on. And last night, talking to Morrow, Batya said something interesting about DeSantis, that whilst he’s solid on confronting progressive woke and he’s got a good track record dealing with progressive woek, he hasn’t confronted the woke in his own party, the GOP establishment

We flopped in front of James Morrow’s show on replay tonight, Cassie, and also found her comments outlined above insightful. Hairy adds that De Santis can’t really oppose the Republican swamp because he is bound to them for future funding of his Presidential run.

As Hairy is a no-one but Trump supporter, he sees that as making De Santis a poor Presidential choice. I don’t, because I think De Santis can re-run Trump’s 2016-20 policy platform to a large extent and most likely would. It’s the way to electoral success anyway. I was greatly impressed with Trump’s New Jersey speech after his recent Court appearance, he is so on top of it all and explains it all very clearly. Obviously he could still be electable. So as ever, I’m torn, because of the uncertainty re Biden. I doubt Biden will run, and in that case the Dems will have someone younger than Trump, and that will matter a lot.

JC
JC
June 17, 2023 11:51 pm

No Trans, the only thing to get straight in your head is to explain how your laughable set of equations prove that Toyota either has it wrong or lying. That’s all you need to show us. There’s not need for any other explanation, such as the bullshit goal post move attempted in your last comment.

We’re still waiting.
Go!

Rabz
June 17, 2023 11:51 pm

Gray-Nicolls

They made mighty Slabs back in my cricketing days.

Until I purchased this

Mine is laser etched, from Harry’s Warehouse in Kingsgrove. 🙂

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 17, 2023 11:52 pm

Chemical spraying going on in the sky above. Most are paying attention to Cash and Rowdy.

Take note: Ignore the pricks giving footy updates.

“It’s a contrail!”

Cash 2.0 Great Dane at the LAPD Devonshire Division Pancake Breakfast Event 2023 (5 of 5)

MatrixTransform
June 17, 2023 11:54 pm

wrong or lying

if only we were all as stupid as you are JC

the world would be a better place

no?

JC
JC
June 17, 2023 11:57 pm

Trans

How does this scrawl of unintelligible nonsense prove Toyota is lying about its claims, you dishonest dwarf.

rough numbers
tesla battery~ 85 kVA
3x range ~ 250 kVA
battery volts ~ 1000V
amps~ 250A

charge in 15 minutes -> 4* 250 == 1000 Amps

yeah … nah … 630 mm^2 cable

Approx weight per meter 7.1 Kg times 2

… nanna’s gonna struggle to plug that in

Go! We’re still waiting.

Dot
Dot
June 18, 2023 12:00 am

Slanderous.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/17/as-a-female-former-liberal-mp-the-partys-groupthink-around-sexual-harassment-dismays-but-does-not-surprise-me

It is the responsibility of everyone who witnesses bad behaviour to do something about it. Whether it is the Catholic church, the Special Air Service regiment, or the Liberal party of Australia. Trotting out the victims to excuse the perpetrators and then saying “good, let’s move on” is not acceptable.

Dot
Dot
June 18, 2023 12:02 am

Robert Reich too wrote an article too how Trump is a fascist.

It’s sickening crap, Trump cut regulation, taxes and stopped the war machine for a while.

Robert Reich is the most offensive lefty to me. He just lies constantly and blatantly. It’s like he’s boasting when he lies.

MatrixTransform
June 18, 2023 12:03 am

We’re still waiting

the royal ‘we’ ? … you supercilious tosser

don’t stay up all night waiting

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 18, 2023 12:05 am

Most do not have a clue as to what is going on above their heads.

“Contrail!”

Rabz
June 18, 2023 12:05 am

Cats, having gone to herculean efforts to (successfully) resurrect a 36 year old White Levi’s jacket and noting the latest outfits of Miss Planet and Miss Personage, it appears White is back in fashion, big time.

It is indeed, the new black. 🙂

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 12:08 am

It’s “we” for the simple reason that you posted that in order to explain to us why Toyota’s claim was false. I’m therefore asking you to explain your claim. This:

rough numbers
tesla battery~ 85 kVA
3x range ~ 250 kVA
battery volts ~ 1000V
amps~ 250A

charge in 15 minutes -> 4* 250 == 1000 Amps

yeah … nah … 630 mm^2 cable

Approx weight per meter 7.1 Kg times 2

… nanna’s gonna struggle to plug that in

Now go, you bigmouthed dwarf.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 18, 2023 12:50 am

Zulu, what a kind knight in shining armour you are. Don’t worry though. I know Cassie, she is une femme tres formidable and I assure you that Steve would be reduced to a Trickle of oil by one withering riposte should Cassie decide to send one his way. But she might just laugh and appreciate his sudden awkward compliment and take it all in good humour. Up to her.

The thing is, most normal females like me and Cassie don’t mind a little male admiration, although relative strangers should stick to visual and verbal appreciations rather than groping for our rear.

Hairy often pats my rear companionably as I walk by at home, and I am not above making a passing quick grab at him in return. That’s because we are old friends and lovers too. And married to each other.

It was our Wedding Anniversary four days ago. Neither of us remembered. Nearly forty years!

Frank
Frank
June 18, 2023 12:54 am

I’ve got a dose of Covid three days before I’m scheduled to drive up to FNQ for my swansong project.

Don’t be such a big Mary. I came to Perth to visit family last week and came down with pneumonia as soon as I arrived. You just walk that shit off.

calli
calli
June 18, 2023 2:14 am

Here I am in Frankfurt airport waiting for our BA flight to London.

A couple of africans are having a verbal fracas. Cultural enrichment.

calli
calli
June 18, 2023 2:15 am

Can I go back to Japan please? It’s quieter and more polite.

Tom
Tom
June 18, 2023 4:08 am
Gabor
Gabor
June 18, 2023 4:33 am

Test
I’m wondering if it’s my computer or this blog, can’t see the latest posts and my details disappear despite clicking on the save button.
Not important enough to worry about it but, being busy and only joining in once in a blue moon anyway.
Just interested if others have the same problem?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 5:05 am

KD earlier.

Look at the over-representation of Gray-Nicolls bats used by the current lot. Gray-Nick pulled Warner’s sponsorship after Sandpapergate – and as a consequence (apparently) quite a few of the players dropped their own brands and went looking for Gray-Nicolls. Just as a quiet ‘f*ck you, Dave’.

Probably because Candice tried to organise a boycott.
Things going beautifully at Headingly.
Finely balanced Test Match, with no contribution from the cheating houso ranga.

Win
Win
June 18, 2023 6:40 am

I think the Daily Mail reads our comments if todays photo of Lisa Wilkinson with Brittany Higgins is any thing to go by. It can’t be just an amphibian coincidence.

johanna
johanna
June 18, 2023 6:54 am

Read with interest the discussion about raw garlic last night.

While I don’t believe for a moment that it cures cancer or anything else so dramatic, I can attest that it worked for me in clearing up a nasty outbreak of large facial acne-type cysts when I was in my 20s. It happened out of the blue when I was on a ship travelling between Sydney and Acapulco.

I wangled some garlic cloves from a friendly Italian kitchen worker, and swallowed one raw (cut in half, washed down with lots of water) morning and night. After three or four days, the cysts were gonski. It was like magic.

I presume that they were caused by some sort of infection, and it seems likely that the anti bacterial properties often claimed for raw garlic kicked in to great effect on this occasion.
I’d previously had the odd single cyst on my face, and they typically had a life cycle of a couple of weeks, so this was a very impressive result.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 18, 2023 7:04 am

Newsom appearing on Hannity is a curious move.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 18, 2023 7:12 am

Thoughts and prayers to all in WA this morning, after reading this missive from overnight:

Chemical spraying going on in the sky above.

calli
calli
June 18, 2023 7:13 am

Finally in London after an epic flight – Narita to Frankfurt then LHR.

The highlight – I’d made friends with one of the flight attendants (I was doing some stitching), and during the trip she beckoned me up to the rear door. I got to look out over the North Pole! We were seated over the wing, so no chance of a look.

Many glaciers and glacial valleys and much snow cover. And the other wonder – we were in daylight for the entire trip.

NFA
NFA
June 18, 2023 7:17 am

You must have been hallucinating calli.

The North Pole has melted.

Al Gore told us that.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 18, 2023 7:18 am

Gabor – Sounds like you get what I always get.

My workaround is to click on the thread title from the RHS list just below Dover’s book covers. That almost always brings up the latest comments especially if you then do a refresh like ctl-R.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
June 18, 2023 7:33 am

Viewing the Cat on my laptop seems fine, but here on my ipad I have similar issues to Gabor.

Tom
Tom
June 18, 2023 7:45 am

Finely balanced Test Match, with no contribution from the cheating houso ranga.

Get it right, Sancho: cheating midget houso ranga.

Captain Climate’s millionaires may even force a draw after Usman’s fighting ton.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 18, 2023 7:50 am

I don’t know if the workaround works for iPads or phones, I use a Win 10 laptop or desktop.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
June 18, 2023 7:54 am

Biden – Admits He is a Puppet

Jo(ke) Biden – “We have plans to build a railway line all the way across the Pacific Ocean to the Indian Ocean………………….”. What Fruit Loop.

COMMENT: You are just anti-Democrat and always against Biden.

WU

REPLY: Sorry, you are so biased you cannot look objectively at anything. When Biden utters the phrase “I’m deviating from the script, and I going to get in trouble” don’t you understand that someone is scolding him if he speaks his own mind? I’m sorry. That is irrefutable evidence that he is nothing more than a puppet.

You obviously do not care who is really calling the shots. So far, these people behind the curtain using Biden have destroyed the world economy by corrupting SWIFT, the sanctions on Russia have only divided the world economy ending globalism. Then they have the audacity to threaten China that if they supply arms to Russia there will be sanctions against them. All of this is when the US is supplying arms to Ukraine. They have transformed the USA from the policeman of the world to the arrogant world dictator.

There was the One China policy and the Biden administration has abandoned decades of peace ensuring now that China has no choice but to invade Taiwan or appear subservient to the United States. Then these people have NATO expanding opening in Japan to spread their version of world peace by bombing the hell out anyone they dislike exercising their dictatorial power. NATO is now the greatest threat to Europe. The only country that sees this is France. NATO will destroy all of Europe.

So feel free to vote for Biden if you are over 70 and have no family members then you will not be drafted which may go up to 65 years old this time and include girls. Otherwise, a vote for Biden will be a vote to send your children or grandchildren to die on some foreign battlefield all for the glory of the NEOCONS. The United States is in the midst of a coup. The NEOCONS are in full control – their dream has come true. A vote for Biden is a vote for the NEOCONS. Vote for RFK, Jr. but not Biden if you care about your country. Biden is the patsy. He is not making these decisions.

You have no idea how this works. For nearly 50 years, FBI director J. Edgar Hoover (1895-1972) amassed secret files on America’s most prominent figures. He then used those files to blackmail and smear presidents and politicians. You did what he ORDERED or he would use the dirt on you to end your career or imprison you as they are doing to Trump right now. The NEOCONS have done that to Biden and his family. He does what he is told – OR ELSE!”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/biden-admits-he-is-a-puppet/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 18, 2023 7:56 am

Noted barrel-stuffer David Penberthy in the Tele, and apropos of both the Brih-nee Eclair Queen and Thorpe/Van imbrolglios as symptoms of current political idiocy:

The entire affair has been a disgusting indulgence at the expense of a nation that right now needs politicians on both sides to be focussed solely on our needs.

By expense, I also mean expense in the literal sense.

We all picked up the tab for salaries, flights, meals, drinks and accommodation to send 150-odd MPs and 72 Senators to Canberra so they could serve up this s–t.

They served it up in the midst of 12 consecutive interest rate hikes, near hyper inflation, the threat of recession, and with power bills increasing this very week by as much as 40 per cent.

They served it up while the rest of us were opening letters from AGL and the ANZ and our local council about new electricity prices, the new variable loan rate and increased quarterly council rates.

The intricacies and intrigues of the case that started this all have become nothing more than a who-knew-what-when parlour game for the politically obsessed.

Boom. Uptick.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 18, 2023 7:58 am

‘I didn’t mind the food in Leavenworth, where I did 11 years for scamming the gullible’

– Martin Armstrong

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 18, 2023 7:59 am

Dotsays:
June 18, 2023 at 12:00 am
Slanderous.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/17/as-a-female-former-liberal-mp-the-partys-groupthink-around-sexual-harassment-dismays-but-does-not-surprise-me

It is the responsibility of everyone who witnesses bad behaviour to do something about it. Whether it is the Catholic church, the Special Air Service regiment, or the Liberal party of Australia. Trotting out the victims to excuse the perpetrators and then saying “good, let’s move on” is not acceptable.

Does the same apply to the Labor Party?

The Facebook group allegations, Plibbers and the ABC woman talking around the last election, Teats Peanuthead? And probably many more.

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 8:03 am

Cusack herself is a lieboral is she not? this shows exactly what is wrong with the party.

Good to Penberthy gets it. Exactly what I’ve been thinking. They think it’s a joke and a game.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
June 18, 2023 8:04 am

I only use my phone for the Cat. Refreshing results in, sometimes continuing from the same comment, missing great swathes of comments to taking me to the very end of the last page. Gaps in the flow of opinion can be annoying at times when I realise I’ve missed significant debate in the trucks and train mass debate. My phone plays up with other sites so I think its not always aCat problem.

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 8:11 am

feelthebern says:
June 18, 2023 at 7:04 am
Newsom appearing on Hannity is a curious move.

This is to show the world that Murdoch kiddies are in charge for Hannity to bend the knee.

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 8:18 am

GreyRanga says:
June 18, 2023 at 8:04 am
I only use my phone for the Cat. Refreshing results in, sometimes continuing from the same comment, missing great swathes of comments to taking me to the very end of the last page. Gaps in the flow of opinion can be annoying at times when I realise I’ve missed significant debate in the trucks and train mass debate. My phone plays up with other sites so I think its not always aCat problem.

My phone behaves a lot like yours so I only read The Cat on it when I’m out somewhere and there is nothing else to do. At home I use the iPad which is fine. It does make me wonder what else is my phone screwing up so I don’t use it for much else except in emergencies.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 18, 2023 8:24 am

To say nothing of Thorpe’s previous allegations of wacism in the Greens Party Room.

Cassie of Sydney
June 18, 2023 8:44 am

“Does the same apply to the Labor Party?”

The standards that are applied to the Liberals and Nationals are never applied to Labor and the Greens. Example – Bill Shorten.

Remember that infamous picture of the woman who is now Penbethy’s wife, what was her name? I forget. In parliament, back in 2011 or whatever, she was pictured in parliament sexily walking past various male Labor slugs, including Billy Boy Shorten. They were all sitting there with their tongues hanging out, like a group of horny fifteen year old school boys with their little dicks hanging out masturbating to pornhub. Very sleazy and very inappropriate. Imagine if that had been a Liberal or National woman walking past a group of Liberal and National males with their tongues hanging out. The hypocrisy is rampant but the Liberals have brought this on themselves, they bought into the gaslighting bullshit that is the “Liberals have a women problem”….they lapped it up. You reap what you sow.

By the way, who is Catherine Cusack? Another unforgettable “Liberal in name only” lightweight. She can f*ck off.

Indolent
Indolent
June 18, 2023 8:44 am
johanna
johanna
June 18, 2023 8:45 am

Is Penberthy just trying to sell a version of ‘move along, nothing to see here’ about Gallagher’s misleading Parliament, Brittnah’s payout and the appalling treatment of Lehrman?

I get that all the game-playing is annoying, but does anyone really think that those morons on the Hill would otherwise be addressing matters of substance?

It’s only when the game gets out of certain people’s control that the Penberthys of the world suddenly express deep concern about the goat rodeo which in fact goes on all the time.

Indolent
Indolent
June 18, 2023 8:48 am
Indolent
Indolent
June 18, 2023 8:50 am
lotocoti
lotocoti
June 18, 2023 8:50 am

Smug tax.

Electric car owners without access to a home charger are now paying up to a 1,500 per cent penalty by being forced to top up their vehicles on the streets.

Dot
Dot
June 18, 2023 8:50 am

It’s only when the game gets out of certain people’s control that the Penberthys of the world suddenly express deep concern about the goat rodeo which in fact goes on all the time.

It’s a clown rodeo rapidly ticking over to a 64% debt-to-GDP ratio.

m0nty
m0nty
June 18, 2023 8:51 am

It is lovely for the likes of Peta Credlin and Steve Price that they have comfy sinecures writing nonsense for idiots. Otherwise they might have to work for a living.

Dot
Dot
June 18, 2023 8:51 am

Sorry, goat rodeo is better.

m0nty
m0nty
June 18, 2023 8:53 am

Imagine if that had been a Liberal or National woman walking past a group of Liberal and National males with their tongues hanging out.

You mean like Barnaby Joyce?

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 18, 2023 8:53 am

Dessert wine.
The West Coast Cooler of wine.

Nah. You should always have a few in the cellar for pudding. Then time for some Australian fortifieds. Arguably the best value buying in any wine store. Long may it remain so.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
June 18, 2023 8:55 am

The problem with jumping on refresh seems to be due to page numbering. Before the 251st comment, there’s only https://newcatallaxy.blog/2023/06/17/open-thread-weekend-17-june-2023/

Once another comment arrives, page 1 becomes https://newcatallaxy.blog/2023/06/17/open-thread-weekend-17-june-2023/comment-page-1/ and the second page becomes https://newcatallaxy.blog/2023/06/17/open-thread-weekend-17-june-2023/ presumably so that clicking on the sidebar takes you to the latest page.

Confusing for a browser when you refresh, though.

I’ve got into the habit of making a mental note of the time of the last comment before hitting refresh, to help backtrack to where I was.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 18, 2023 8:57 am

Piers Akerman:

Brittany Higgins, Lidia Thorpe and Amanda Stoker – three women who have made allegations of sexual abuse, ranging from rape to groping, occurring in Parliament House.

While all the claims are serious, what separates these women are their responses to the alleged abuse.

Former parliamentary staffer Higgins, we know now, did not report her alleged assault to the police – or even parliamentary authorities – at the first possible occasion. This fact came out during the abandoned trial of the man she accused of rape, co-worker Bruce Lehrmann.

Instead, she shared her thoughts about her claims with friends in the first instance, then other contacts and, shortly after, with media personalities Lisa Wilkinson and Peter FitzSimons.

Her go-to political champions were senators Katy Gallagher and Penny Wong. Further, after gaming the political and publicity scenarios, including conversations about a book deal, she finally lodged an official complaint after her interview with Channel 10’s The Project received mass publicity.

Nonetheless, Labor, which did not hold back in weaponising her claims during the torrid election campaign against the Morrison Liberal government, agreed to a monetary settlement when it took office.

Liberals – including her ex-boss, former defence industry minister Linda Reynolds and another senator, Michaelia Cash – were precluded from providing input into the claims negotiations.

Senator Thorpe, who has perceived problems following accepted parliamentary protocols, offering a bastardised version of the oath of allegiance and standing to take the oath with a raised clenched fist, also failed to follow the established conventions regarding the reporting of allegations of sexual abuse.

After an outburst in the Senate with accusations against Victorian Liberal senator David Van, the independent activist first withdrew her remarks and then later repeated them. Van was also accused by Stoker, a former senator, of twice touching her bottom, which she reported to a colleague, and conferred with Van about in the company of others, all on the record.

Satisfied with the mediation process and securing a promise that such activity would not reoccur, Stoker moved on.

When another allegation was made to Opposition Leader Peter Dutton late Thursday, he immediately suspended Van from the Liberals’ partyroom, pending an investigation. After a further allegation surfaced on Friday, he suggested Van quit.

Van has, for his part, denied wrongdoing, and declared that his “good reputation has been wantonly savaged”.

There is another group of women who have, in the past, made much of their concerns about women’s safety – the teals, who enjoyed adoring publicity from well-heeled feminist sympathisers during the election campaign.

Searches failed to reveal any position taken by their more prominent members during the current brouhaha.

Perhaps that’s because Labor’s Gallagher and Wong, two of the three “mean girls” named by late senator Kimberley Kitching, have been damaged after making unsubstantiated claims against Reynolds.

After initially denying they had been made aware of the Higgins’ matter, they now acknowledge they did know of the allegations when they attacked Reynolds during an estimates hearing.

Despite Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s repeated claims, Labor’s hands are not clean.

They haven’t protected women – if they are Liberals – and the silence of the teals speaks volumes about their empty claim to uphold integrity.

Whether in or out of parliament, it should be obvious to all that the first port of call for any sexual abuse complainant must be the police.

As Nationals MP Barnaby Joyce stressed on Thursday: “Allegations are serious, some are dumb and dangerous, but what you’ve got to do is take these to police.”

Justice should be the goal, not political vendettas, if the public is to trust politicians.

Indolent
Indolent
June 18, 2023 8:57 am
H B Bear
H B Bear
June 18, 2023 8:58 am

Sancho Panzer at 8:27 – Bluey looks safe. The only thing the ALPBC does that doesn’t involve bending over taxpayers. Should be on the cover of any sale documents.

Cassie of Sydney
June 18, 2023 9:00 am

Oh look..the pervert apologist pops up….the same pervert apologist who gets off on violence towards women.

Dot
Dot
June 18, 2023 9:00 am

We Used To Be Free: Ali Wong Netflix special

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjYkLmPX1x8&t=0s

Sad thing is the truth comes disguised as jokes. The court jesters job was to tell the truth in such a way they’d avoid getting hanged.

Dot
Dot
June 18, 2023 9:02 am

Federal judge rules Massachusetts student’s ‘there are only two genders’ T-shirt ‘invades the rights of others,’ is NOT protected by free speech

Good luck with that, progressive idiots.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 18, 2023 9:03 am

As Nationals MP Barnaby Joyce stressed on Thursday: “Allegations are serious, some are dumb and dangerous, but what you’ve got to do is take these to police.”
He wasn’t stressing that 5 years ago, when an NFF office holder was making credible claims about Bananby’s gropey tendencies.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
June 18, 2023 9:05 am

This world of ours… must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be, instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.

– Dwight D. Eisenhower

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 18, 2023 9:06 am

David Littleproud weighs in, Riverine Herald:

Nationals leader David Littleproud said he was shocked by the allegations made against Senator Van.

“I appreciate Senator Van wants to have a presumption of innocence, but I also appreciate the fact that Peter Dutton has the right to protect the Liberal Party and to undertake his own investigation,” he told Nine’s Today program on Sunday.

“If his behaviour doesn’t meet the standards of the Liberal party, then (Peter Dutton) has every right to remove Senator Van from his party room, and the Liberal Party has every right to accept his resignation.”

Mr Littleproud hit out at Senator Van’s decision to remain in parliament on the cross bench.

“While the senator can stay, under the law, really, he wasn’t elected on his own volition,” he said.

“He was elected on the Liberal Party. He wants to remove himself from the Liberal party, and then he should probably also remove himself from the Senate.”

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 18, 2023 9:06 am

Mother Lode at 9:23

Steel cut, as opposed to the more plebeian rolled oats.
Bob Carr had very strong feelings about them.

Possibly the only time Carr is worth listening too. They are better. Overnight your porridge people.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
June 18, 2023 9:07 am

Cats, having gone to herculean efforts to (successfully) resurrect a 36 year old White Levi’s jacket

Get behind thee satan

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 18, 2023 9:08 am

Monty excuses the Hair Sniffer in Chief. Class all over eh?

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 9:10 am

It’s really sad that The Outsiders this morning are lauding Dutton for taking decisive action so quickly. Funny how he can only do that when he is against his own party.

It’s also sad that Rita is going ho as well that Rowan has to remind her about a presumption of innocence.

I am not surprised at James Morrow thinking that David Van and Katy Gallagher are two different issues. It’s shallow thinking like this that damns the right to perpetually losing, it is all one fight.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 18, 2023 9:11 am

Bud Lite executives are fun, they’re acting like they have no idea what the problem is.

Struggling Bud Light Introduces New Ad Campaign To Focus On ‘Beer’ (18 Jun)

Bud Light Just Wants to Get Back to Making Beer, Sponsoring Pro-Child Mutilation Parades (17 Jun)

Bud Light Digs Deeper with ‘climate neutral’ Beer (17 Jun)

Utterly clueless. It’s really amazing to watch them grope around like blind mice.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 9:14 am

This is harsh.

‘Rolf Harris is one of yours’: Barmy Army lets rip at Australian fans

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 18, 2023 9:14 am

miltonf at 10:15

Part of the reason I left NSW Rabz! In those days Bracksie didn’t seem too bad…

Melbournibad over Sydney was a no brainer at that time. I doubt you could find anyone who’d say that today. The correct answer now is “None of the above”.

Dot
Dot
June 18, 2023 9:15 am

Cheers to the King and Jimmy Saville

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 9:16 am

Carpe Jugulumsays:

June 18, 2023 at 9:07 am

Cats, having gone to herculean efforts to (successfully) resurrect a 36 year old White Levi’s jacket

Get behind thee satan

I think Rabz will take that as “Get thy behind in satin.”

Makka
Makka
June 18, 2023 9:17 am

It is lovely for the likes of Peta Credlin and Steve Price that they have comfy sinecures writing nonsense for idiots.

Poor mOron, sad over the mass sackings of lefty drones at the ALPBC are we?

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 18, 2023 9:17 am

Guardian Australia claims exit Polling showed only 30% of Women voted Liberal at the May 21 Election.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
June 18, 2023 9:17 am

Indolentsays:
June 18, 2023 at 8:40 am
Telling the truth is the greatest crime.

Citizen Free Press
@CitizenFreePres

Alexander McCaskill, the former Fox producer who parted ways with the network for airing the “wannabe dictator” chyron, posted this photo of him leaving Fox offices.

What’s with the stick? No jacket and no tie? At least he’s sort of smiling. Probably quite happy to be out of the place.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
June 18, 2023 9:20 am

Ed Casesays:
June 18, 2023 at 9:17 am
Guardian Australia claims exit Polling showed only 30% of Women voted Liberal at the May 21 Election.

LOL. The Daily Tele claims that the other 70% voted informal…………………………..

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 9:22 am

Mr Littleproud hit out at Senator Van’s decision to remain in parliament on the cross bench.

Senator Van should resign from Parliament when Lidia Thorpe does the same.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 9:22 am

From WiP.
“I don’t know who the driver of the blue car is, but I know what he’s thinking.”
The very discussion here last week of agricultural machinery holding up traffic and inventive ways of getting in front of a VineMeister 9000.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
June 18, 2023 9:23 am

The past cannot be cured.

– Elizabeth I

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 18, 2023 9:24 am

It’s a worrying Stat.
More than 50% of women voted Liberal during Menzies time in office.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 18, 2023 9:25 am

Groogs go back to Kangaroo Court. It’s more you.

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 9:25 am

Crossie says:
June 18, 2023 at 9:22 am
Mr Littleproud hit out at Senator Van’s decision to remain in parliament on the cross bench.
Senator Van should resign from Parliament when Lidia Thorpe does the same.

I also think a good swap would be Katy Gallagher losing her portfolio.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 9:25 am

I forget. In parliament, back in 2011 or whatever, she was pictured in parliament sexily walking past various male Labor slugs, including Billy Boy Shorten. They were all sitting there with their tongues hanging out, like a group of horny fifteen year old school boys with their little dicks hanging out masturbating to pornhub.

It’s funny you mentioned that, Cassie. We were at Perth airport one time, waiting for the flight back to Melbourne after arriving from London. Shortened, along with his entourage, graced us with his presence in the Qantas lounge. I never noticed because I don’t think men have a sleazominator attached to their brain. Wifey noticed that Shortened couldn’t take his eyes off a young mother carrying a kid around for the entire wait. As she says, his eyes were glued to her. 

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 9:26 am

Woo hoo, I have join the Calli’s prestigious club of nullified commenters.

Diogenes
Diogenes
June 18, 2023 9:27 am

Possibly the only time Carr is worth listening too.

Nope, when he said Sydney was full he was right. Since then then they managed to stuff another million or 2 in. Then they wonder why rents are so high and generally unavailable, and they need to spaff a lazy 2 billion on social housing.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 9:28 am

Ed Case says:
June 18, 2023 at 9:24 am

It’s a worrying Stat.
More than 50% of women voted Liberal during Menzies time in office.

Would that have changed any since then for the part that applies to married sheilas? I reckon it hasn’t, but I’m just guessing.

At the time of Menzies, the voting age was 21 and that wouldn’t have been too far off the marriage age.

areff
areff
June 18, 2023 9:30 am

Who needs humidicribs, caesarians and spinal blocks? Just moved on AAP:

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women have been safely giving birth on country for more than 60,000 years.

And there’s a growing body of evidence that when cultural safety is embedded into care for expectant mums and new bubs they are healthier and much more likely to thrive.

The president of the Congress of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Nurses and Midwives Marni Tuala, a Bundjalung woman, says Birthing on Country is the optimal model of care for pregnant First Nations women.

“What that means – and I think there is some confusion around what is Birthing on Country – is being cared for throughout your pregnancy journey by a midwife who is known to you in ways that meet your cultural needs,” she says.

“Birthing on Country is the way forward for our women and our families, and having that led by Aboriginal communities and Aboriginal nurses and midwives is the best way to achieve that.”……

Australia’s national lobotomy continues apace.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 18, 2023 9:30 am

I’d say Flamers are part of the problem.
Yeah, Menzies had a few, R.G.G.. Casey, Bill McMahon …
Pauline Hanson also tipped to snatch it, James Ashby is her preferred successor.
The Oz thinks he might have a few problems being seated, since he owes $4.5 mil. Costs over his own claim against the Commonwealth.
Hanson’s whinge is that the Coalition don’t take her seriously.

Dot
Dot
June 18, 2023 9:31 am

Guardian Australia claims exit Polling showed only 30% of Women voted Liberal at the May 21 Election.

What’s your point? Women vote more for the ALP and Greens combined by a roughly similar margin. It’s not the Guardian, it was the Australian Institute.

For the Senate:

Liberal/National Coalition 5,148,028 34.24%
Labor 4,525,598 30.09 %
Greens 1,903,403 12.66 %

The real shit shocker is that 14% of Queenslanders reported they vote for the Greens, their actual vote was 12.39%, which was considerably less than reported and below the national average. So these exit polls will have a significant margin of error.

The polls are subject to bias, underreporting and self-selection bias errors.

“Conservatives” will always have a “women problem” and the left will always have a “man problem”.

JC
JC
June 18, 2023 9:33 am

NYPost.

Woman pressured into breast removal at 13 under ‘erroneous belief’ she was transgender: lawsuit

A California woman whose breasts were removed when she was 13-years-old because she thought she was transgender is now suing the doctors and hospital that oversaw the procedure — claiming they were in it for the money.

You know, the money angle in this shouldn’t be discounted.

Dot
Dot
June 18, 2023 9:34 am

Maybe I’ve been too critical of Kirralee Smith in the past.

Here is some good work:

https://www.binary.org.au/detrans

Their Stories Matter

These courageous former-trans people are speaking out against the “Gender Affirming” treatments and the ideology that harmed them. Listen to their powerful stories here.

(For example)

Chloe Cole

Chloe Cole was an awkward child growing up, struggling to fit in when she began identifying as transgender. She started puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones (testosterone) at 13 years old. She had her breasts removed at age 15, and detransitioned at 16. Now 18, she advocates for the protection of vulnerable young people from the harms of transgender ideology in medicine.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 18, 2023 9:37 am

CA should drop Warner to discourage this stuff. Then put out a statement and fly him home.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 18, 2023 9:40 am

At the time of Menzies, the voting age was 21 and that wouldn’t have been too far off the marriage age.
That sounds like a credible reason, along with the explosion of Single Mothers.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 18, 2023 9:40 am

I’d love to see Munty front Peta Credlin and tell her she writes nonsense.
She’s a from Wycheproof – there’d be bits of Monty spread out over a broad area.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 18, 2023 9:40 am

Black Ballsays:
June 18, 2023 at 9:08 am
Monty excuses the Hair Sniffer in Chief. Class all over eh?

The fat fascist fool will never, ever, criticise anyone on his political side. When confronted by the reality of their behavior, as today, the best that he can come up with is “Whatabout ….” The weakest possible response, but he is too stupid to do better.

Hey, FFFool, whatabout Milton Orkopoulos or Keith Wright, or Bill D’Arcy, to mention just a few Labor sleazes.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 18, 2023 9:42 am

Ed Casesays:
June 18, 2023 at 9:17 am
Guardian Australia claims exit Polling showed only 30% of Women voted Liberal at the May 21 Election.

LOL. The Grauniad, about as reliable as Grandpa Cletus!

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 18, 2023 9:42 am

Pretending professional sport isn’t first (and always) about the money doesn’t serve anybody’s interests. Ask Rory McIlroy.

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 9:43 am

“What that means – and I think there is some confusion around what is Birthing on Country – is being cared for throughout your pregnancy journey by a midwife who is known to you in ways that meet your cultural needs,” she says.

I’m curious, who gets to choose the birthing tree? Is it the expectant mother or the midwife?

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 18, 2023 9:45 am

Hey, FFFool, whatabout Milton Orkopoulos or Keith Wright, or Bill D’Arcy, to mention just a few Labor sleazes.

Bill Collins would have made a terrible Uber driver.

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 9:47 am

H B Bear says:
June 18, 2023 at 9:42 am
Pretending professional sport isn’t first (and always) about the money doesn’t serve anybody’s interests. Ask Rory McIlroy.

From what I understand sportsmen used to be paid a token amount even as recently as 40 years ago. It is the professionalisation of sport that is all about money.

Crossie
Crossie
June 18, 2023 9:49 am

I meant to add that about 40 years ago Rugby League players used to have real jobs and playing on the weekends was a hobby. Wasn’t one famous player in Sydney a doctor and another a garbo?

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 18, 2023 9:51 am

Mr Kate Ellis complaining about the politico-j’ism class. Find a self stuffing barrel mate.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 18, 2023 9:56 am

Crossie – modern sport is just soap opera with a ball. I don’t really have a problem with that but recognise it is just entertainment.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 18, 2023 10:01 am

I enjoy golf but at a professional level that is largely losing the battle with equipment manufacturers chasing sales and the US PGA generally behaving like any monopolist. The addition of Saudi money is unlikely to help.

Dot
Dot
June 18, 2023 10:03 am

As to Fatmuricans eating 80+ grams a day of omega-six fatty acids, that would require eating at least five large McDonalds french fries a day, every day of your life, for every single living Fatmurican.

This is simply not possible.

That rodent model discussed last night was absurd. Extrapolated to humans, 19% of calories, in an isocaloric experiment, to be almost exclusively omega 6 fatty acid fats, resulting in a 50 lb weight gain from 195 lb in 7.5 months, okay, where would you be in six years’ time? Would a man initially weighing 195 lbs in six years’ time weigh 675 lbs, purely because of omega 6 fatty acids?

There was a reason old mate didn’t discuss biochemistry because his idea is bunk. He has some good reasons to moderate omega 6 consumption and ensure ADEK vitamin consumption, but blaming ALL weight gain, cancer and metabolic syndrome on omega 6 fatty acids is absurd.

Like I said if you eat milk, butter, meat/fish otherwise, there’s no worry about using a little sunflower or canola oil when you cook your steak, salmon fillet or stir-fried vegetables. Eating 100 g a day of soybean oil in processed foods full of added sugar, starch, fructose and salt in a massively over-calorie, low-micronutrient, low protein, low omega 3 FA diet certainly would be a problem.

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 10:06 am

By the way, who is Catherine Cusack?

someone in the exclusive club I used to hand out HTVs for. Why did I bother?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 18, 2023 10:07 am

There is something wrong with things when it is enough for a woman to publicly make claims of being harassed or molested without any further obligation on their part for at least some sort of corroboration even in the form of a police report or complaint to their employers HR, or similar.

No other accusation is levelled so lightly. If some politician claimed they had been threatened or attacked by an opponent we would want a bit more than their word.

But there is a blindness of sorts when it comes to ladies, and an instant halo of guilt surrounds the accused, where a sexual hue is layered on.

It does not matter how preposterous Thorpe’s history is, how often we laugh at her transports of self-righteousness, we must suddenly accept her claims when she prefaces them with the word ‘sex’.

But over the past few decades of movies and TV shows have instilled the assumption that women are are first victimised in the first instance but then repeatedly in the press, in the courts, and all those imagined bastions of masculinity (clubs, board rooms, locker rooms etc.)

No one wants to be one of those guys. No man wants to be seen doubting the word of a woman because that means he approves of the abuse of women.

Far from men automatically flying to the defence of other men, what we see is how readily they fly to the defence of women and willingly injure other men.

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 10:09 am

Agree Bear, the Melb CBD is very unpleasant now and I avoid it- lucky I live in an ex urb. Rural and regional Vicco, like rural and regional NSW is still very lovely but the political class and their pubic masters in Canbra are doing their best to wreck it.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 18, 2023 10:09 am

Did Catherine Cusack blow the whistle on Barnaby Joyce?
I think she may have, but nothing happened?

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 10:09 am

Not to mention loathsome state pollimuppetts.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 18, 2023 10:11 am

Daily Telegraph with Cydonee Mardon reporting:

The brother of a three-year-old girl who went missing from a Wollongong beach 53 years ago is appealing to the NSW Attorney-General to re-examine the case.

Ricki Nash, who has devoted his life to finding out what happened to his little sister Cheryl Grimmer, confirmed his family had sent a letter to Michael Daley asking him to “look again” at a judge’s decision to throw out the confession of a man who allegedly admitted to the 1971 abduction and murder.

Little Cheryl vanished from Fairy Meadow beach in 1970.

She was last seen in showers near the beach, where she had spent the afternoon with her mother, Ricki and two other older brothers.

Witnesses at the time reported seeing an unknown male carrying a child wrapped in a towel towards the beach car park.

Despite a huge police search no trace of her has ever been found, but a 2011 inquest concluded she had died.

Years later former NSW detective Frank Sanvitale took charge of the cold case and, after months of trawling through old case files, statements, newspaper clippings and other evidence, he and his partner Damien Loone found a confession in one of the dusty boxes.

They built a case and arrested a suspect in 2017.

The man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was charged with murder and extradited from Victoria.

Just as he was due to stand trial, the NSW Supreme Court found the confession he made when he was 17 years old during a police interview in 1971 was inadmissable.

Justice Robert Hulme formed the view that admitting the confession into evidence would be unfair as the accused was more vulnerable than an average 17-year-old.

Having an adult or legal representative present during his interview may have gone a long way towards overcoming the unfairness, he found.

It took just 90 minutes for the Director of Public Prosecutions to decide not to appeal a judge’s decision to exclude a murder confession — something Mr Sanvitale and Mr Nash have never come to terms with.

This week, in a letter to Mr Daley, the family argued the details in the confession were “corroborated during a 2016-17 reinvestigation” and called on the Attorney-General to allow an application to the NSW Supreme Court for a fresh inquest.

They also called for the lifting of media restrictions preventing the previous suspect’s name being published to prompt other possible witnesses to come forward.

Police have refused to confirm whether the man remains a suspect.

Previous Attorney-General Mark Speakman described the collapse of the 2019 trial as the “end of the road” in one of Australia’s most high-profile mysteries.

But Mr Nash and his family refuse to give up hope.

“I hope you can see your way to intervening in this case to bring some kind of closure to Cheryl’s brothers after 53 years of torture,” they pleaded.

“The family will not stop in its pursuit of justice and the media spotlight on this case is not going to go away. Cheryl’s Voice will be heard.”

A spokesman for the Attorney-General confirmed that he had received a letter from the Grimmer family and said he had asked the Department of Communities and Justice to review it.

What a horrible shitshow. So a confession to the abduction was not allowed because of ‘unfairness’ and ‘vulnerability’ because of the accused age at the time. Tell me, is it fair that this girl met her maker and her family go through 53 years of heartache? End of the road says Speakman. Just awful.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 18, 2023 10:11 am

It’s almost as if Barnaby is a Labor plant, he gets away with everything.
Turnbull lowered the boom on him, then Turnbull himself was done over a few months later.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 18, 2023 10:15 am

Looks like Groogs found his notes from mUnty’s Whataboutism 101 course.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
June 18, 2023 10:16 am

It was mentioned that James Ashby might be Pauline Hanson’s chosen succesor.

I don’t think think he would have much support. Malcolm Roberts is a very hard working Senator who is good in Senate estimates but would One Nation survive without Pauline Hanson?

A few on Twitter were suggesting ON, LDP and UAP combine. Unfortunately I think ego gets in the way regarding who might be leader.

Dot
Dot
June 18, 2023 10:18 am

A few on Twitter were suggesting ON, LDP and UAP combine. Unfortunately I think ego gets in the way regarding who might be leader.

I have been suggesting that since Mathias Cormann and Malcolm Turnbull changed the Senate voting laws.

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 10:18 am

A few on Twitter were suggesting ON, LDP and UAP combine. Unfortunately I think ego gets in the way regarding who might be leader.

it would be good if people put egos aside and thought of the country-combining is def the way to go imo. At least stop stealing each other’s lunch.

Bar Beach Swimmer
June 18, 2023 10:21 am

Tomsays:
June 18, 2023 at 4:08 am

WIP
thanks, Tom.

The Braveheart one, for me.

Bar Beach Swimmer
June 18, 2023 10:22 am

Could some one put up the article in the Oz – John Howard on the Calvary Hospital and property rights.
thank you.

Tom
Tom
June 18, 2023 10:23 am

Daily Telegraph with Cydonee Mardon reporting

Black Ball, please tell me you just made up that media chickybabe’s name (assuming it is indeed female).

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 18, 2023 10:24 am

From the WIP and Instapundit today, America’s newspaper of record is hitting even more sixes…

Biden Institutes Call To Gay Prayer 5 Times A Day Facing San Francisco (13 Jun)

Satan Asks LGBTQ Community To Please Tone It Down A Bit (15 Jun)

San Francisco Announces That Due To Crime, It’s Moving To Texas (16 Jun)

Maybe God is delaying the Big One for San Francisco because he likes all the Bee headlines.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
June 18, 2023 10:27 am

Gilda
I need your help.
I need one hr of classical music for the gym.
For an ignoramious like my self
The allegro of the William tell overture
Rossini barber of Seville overture
The anvil chorus
O Fortuna Orford
Offenbach the can can movt

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 18, 2023 10:30 am

I meant to add that about 40 years ago Rugby League players used to have real jobs and playing on the weekends was a hobby.

They were part of the community and I think it made them grounded.

My mother was fond of a story where she was in the local bakery with my sister who was probably 14 or 15. My sister excitedly pointed to another customer to say that he was her favourite player in the local team (Sutherland-Cronulla Sharks).

My mother encouraged her to go say hello. After a few moments of polite chatter he raced out to his tradesman’s ute and came back in with a publicity photograph which he autographed on the spot.

My sister was stoked.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 18, 2023 10:35 am

After being rogered by Peter Slipper and a few years with Pauline Hanson, James Ashby would make a suitable addition to Parliament House. A seamless transition really.

Cassie of Sydney
June 18, 2023 10:38 am

“JCsays:
June 18, 2023 at 9:25 am”

Shorten is a sleazy grub, which is why I don’t doubt what Rabz says about him.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 18, 2023 10:38 am

Black Ball, please tell me you just made up that media chickybabe’s name (assuming it is indeed female).

Afraid not good sir. I did have to have a look 3 times to make sure of it.

Cassie of Sydney
June 18, 2023 10:38 am

“I meant to add that about 40 years ago Rugby League players used to have real jobs and playing on the weekends was a hobby.”

Indeed, two were teachers on the northern beaches, one of those teachers is now in prison.

Muddy
Muddy
June 18, 2023 10:39 am

An observation on the manipulative use of language.

Browsing the Week in Pictures, I happened upon mention of the name Duane Owens, who was apparently executed recently in the U.S.

Unadvisedly, I searched for his name online, then decided not subject myself to any further details.

What I did note, by only browsing the first few sentences of each search result, was a lack of adjectives describing this vermin’s crimes.*

While conservatives are routinely described as radical, extremist, controversial, etc., there seemed a remarkable neutrality in referring to a [I’m not going to refer to him as a man], who stabbed (18 times) a 14 year old and raped her corpse, and bludgeoned to death with a hammer another woman.

His crimes were simply labelled ‘killings’ or plain ‘murder’ (nothing to see here, move along), and some reports emphasized the length of time he had spent on death row, intimating he was the real victim.

The ACLU [according to the comment in WiP] lamented Owens’ apparent torture by the state, and referred to him as a her.

The predators no longer hide in the shadows. They now stand naked and unafraid on our screens – pixels of malevolence – taunting us.

*Maybe I missed the outrage by not delving further. Maybe he always declared his innocence, I don’t know. I chose not to subject my fragile mental state to such trauma.

Cassie of Sydney
June 18, 2023 10:40 am

“One Nation survive without Pauline Hanson”

There is a natural leader of One Nation here in NSW.

MatrixTransform
June 18, 2023 10:40 am

Far from men automatically flying to the defence of other men, what we see is how readily they fly to the defence of women and willingly injure other men.

feminism was always only a slightly more sophisticated version of the game “lets you and him fight”

shatterzzz
June 18, 2023 10:42 am

There is something wrong with things when it is enough for a woman to publicly make claims of being harassed or molested without any further obligation on their part for at least some sort of corroboration even in the form of a police report or complaint to their employers HR, or similar.

This all began with Harvey Weinstein & METOO .. as wimmenz came out of the woodwork with, 100 years old, he-did-this/that accusations and the media luvved it as their readers slurped it up and squealed for more .. then we entered the BAT FLU era and proof became soooo 2019-ish as it was replaced by her word-is-proof-enuf …… hang him!.. hang ‘im high! …..

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 18, 2023 10:42 am

Ashby gave Slippery a knockback, then made a Claim against the Commonwealth for damages.
It destroyed Slippery’s marriage and he had a breakdown.
Now, obviously standards arte pretty lax in PH, but Asby should be a bridge too far.

shatterzzz
June 18, 2023 10:49 am

it would be good if people put egos aside and thought of the country-combining is def the way to go imo. At least stop stealing each other’s lunch.

It’s not just ego but the standard parliamentary greed .. the leader getz more than the tribe .. name any Oz politician that would willingly sacrifice money against service to country ……..!

Cassie of Sydney
June 18, 2023 10:49 am

I don’t like Chris Kenny’s views on the Voice but he’s good on almost everything else and his piece in yesterday’s Oz nailed the MSM’s double standards, particularly over the Shorten rape allegation.

There’s a big problem in the West, and that’s the complete capture of the media, making 90% of the media partisan, always spruiking for the left and always covering up for the left, be it over sexual scandals, Covid, integrity and so on. I can guarantee you that if that Bitch Gallagher was a Liberal, she would have already resigned, thanks to the MSM furore.

It’s why I shed no tears for Andrew Pwobyn, who has himself directly contributed to this partisanship.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 18, 2023 10:58 am

Indigenous leaders elected for Victorian treaty talks
Callum GoddeAAP
Sun, 18 June 2023 7:59AM

Twenty-two leaders have been elected to represent Indigenous Victorians in long-awaited treaty negotiations with the state government.

Treaty election results have been tallied for the next iteration of the First Peoples’ Assembly of Victoria, a democratic body for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.

Victorian Aboriginal Legal Service chief executive Nerita Waight, former Department of Premier and Cabinet staffer Barry Firebrace-Briggs and Alister Thorpe – a cousin of independent senator Lidia Thorpe – were among 10 people elected to represent the metro region.

Three candidates were picked for each of the other four regions across the state.

Outgoing assembly co-chair Marcus Stewart said the elections were a watershed moment for the decolonisation of Victoria.

“This is self-determination in action. First Peoples in Victoria have spoken,” the Nira illim bulluk man said.

“These are the people who will represent us mob proudly and will get treaty done. It’s a big honour, but also a big responsibility.”

He urged Indigenous Victorians to get behind the new assembly members ahead of statewide treaty negotiations beginning later this year.

“Nothing is off the table, so we need to push hard together,” he said.

The newly-elected assembly will also help traditional owner groups in Victoria to start negotiating individual treaties in their areas.

VICTORIAN TREATY ELECTION RESULTS:

* Metro

– Barry Firebrace-Briggs, Yorta Yorta, Ulupna

– Indi Clarke, Wemba Wemba, Mutti Mutti, Boon Wurrung, Trawlwoolway and Lardil

– Troy Austin, Gunditjmara

– Esme Bamblett, Bangerang, Taungurung, Wiradjuri

– Ngarra Murray, Wamba Wamba, Yorta Yorta, Dhudhuroa, Dja Dja Wurrung

– Tracey Evans, Gunditjmara, Bundjalung

– Nerita Waight, Yorta Yorta, Narrandjeri

– Alister Thorpe, Gunai, Yorta Yorta, Gunditjmara

– Uncle Shane Charles, Wurundjeri, Boon Wurrung, Yorta Yorta

– Gary Murray, Dhudhuroa, Yorta Yorta, Barapa Barapa, Dja Dja Wurrung, Wamba Wemba, Wergaia, Wiradjeri

* North West Region

– Rodney Carter, Dja Dja Wurrung

– Jacinta Chaplin, Wadi Wadi, Wamba Wamba

– Jason Kelly, Wamba Wamba, Mutthi Mutthi

* North East Region

– Levi Power, Yorta Yorta

– Belinda Briggs, Yorta Yorta, Wamba Wamba, Wurundjeri and Ngiyampaa

– Nicole Atkinson, Bangerang, Gunditjmara

* South West Region

– Jordan Edwards, Gunditjmara, Waddawurrung, Arrernte

– Michael ‘Mookeye’ Bell, Gunditjmara, Boandik

– Sheree Lowe, Gunditjmara

* South East Region

– Alice Pepper, Gunnai, Yorta Yorta, Mutti Mutti, Gunditjmara, Arrernte

– Peter Hood, Kurnai

– Brian Stevens, Gunai

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 18, 2023 10:59 am

The ACLU [according to the comment in WiP] lamented Owens’ apparent torture by the state, and referred to him as a her.

Muddy – Yep. The torture in this case was not giving him tens of thousands of dollars worth of free elective plastic surgery.

The ACLU Is Mad at Florida for What They Did Not Provide to Death Row Prisoner (17 Jun)

Using female pronouns to refer to Duane Owen, a convicted murderer and rapist, the ACLU said by not providing “gender-affirming care” it resulted in “enormous suffering and violating her right to be free from cruel and unusual punishment for the more than 30 years she was in state custody.”

Enormous suffering eh? Maybe the ACLU could consider the suffering of his victims.

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 11:00 am

a democratic body for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.

just for starters, what does the Torres Strait have to do with Victoria?

Cassie of Sydney
June 18, 2023 11:03 am

And what bothers me about the stupid Liberals is that even now, if given evidence a Labor figure had allegedly raped someone, the Liberals would still refuse to make political capital out of it, because they still foolishly believe in Queensberry Rules.

As an aside, we have no idea why Sleazy’s long marriage to Carmel failed. I don’t really want to know, his marriage failure is the least problematic of his many faults, but imagine if this was Dutton or Morrison? The plain truth is that the MSM and the left have tried to dig up much schmutz on Dutton, and failed. The double standards here are horrendous. In fact, I’m old enough to remember Channel Nine’s nasty interview with Hewson’s first wife back in 1993. However, they’ve never been particularly interested in Keating’s private life, and I can assure everyone here, his private life would make interesting and salacious reading.

I remember reading about Trump in early 2016. I wasn’t really a Trump fan until late that year. Trump said that one of the reasons he chose to run is that, apart from the fact that he could clearly see that the eight years of the Magic Negro had almost destroyed America and America’s prestige, he also said how he was fed up with the way GOP candidates, such as the Mormon Romney and McCain were always bashed, ridiculed, smeared and lied about by the progressive MSM media, and they just sit there like dummies and say and do nothing in return. So, Trump said that he’ll throw it back and throw it back he did. The days of gentlemanly politics are dead. The sexual scandals and shenanigans that go on in the Liberals and Nationals, be it bottom pinching or whatever, are NOTHING compared to what goes on in Labor and the Greens.

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 11:06 am

Bill Hayden let the cat out of the bag iirc Cassie.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
June 18, 2023 11:08 am

This all began with Harvey Weinstein & METOO

Bill Cosby was the warm-up act.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 18, 2023 11:08 am

It is only fear of MAD that keeps most members of Canberra’s politico-jis’m community quiet. Amazing how often something turns out to be an “open secret”.

Jorge
Jorge
June 18, 2023 11:09 am

A good Sunday read:
An Excellent View of Oblivion: On Italy’s Vanishing Towns
Dominic Smith Considers Desertion, Both Physical and Emotional

A taste:

When I think of our own comeback, it reminds me a lot of Tocco Caudio or Balestrino, where the people fled to settle on more stable ground, but within plain sight of the old ruins. My sisters and I all went on to build lives and families of our own. Collectively, if you include our children, there is a novelist, a member of parliament, a Rhodes Scholar, two lawyers, six university graduates, and a Doctor of Philosophy. There is also a history of substance abuse, depression, anxiety, and long-standing hurts and silences.
The only time the four of us siblings have been together in the same room in the last few decades was in the hospital where my father was dying of cancer in 2017. As for my mother, she is somehow still alive, though in a steady decline in a nursing home. In truth, she never really came back from the stroke. It’s one of the great losses of my life. We managed to keep her housed and get her on public assistance, but she only became more erratic over time and often fell in with schemers looking for easy prey.
Over the years, my sisters and I have talked about the houses and apartments where our lives took a turn or where we felt abandoned by the wider world. One day, about five years ago, my oldest sister and I decided to take a driving tour of the old rentals, to see what sort of power they still held over us. We drove across the Sydney Harbour Bridge, into the suburb of Manly, and onto Kangaroo Street, the last known address of the real Frances Smith, the apartment consumed by fire while she was in hospital.

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 11:12 am

I’d like another run of the people ineligible to sit in parliament squabble.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 18, 2023 11:13 am

Is any treaty signed by a State Government, with it’s own citizens, going to be worth the paper it’s written on?

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 18, 2023 11:15 am

On one level Porter didn’t deserve what happened to him. On another level it was well overdue. Which is correct?

miltonf
miltonf
June 18, 2023 11:17 am

Is any treaty signed by a State Government, with it’s own citizens, going to be worth the paper it’s written on?

dunno- Melbourne uni law faculty has been up to something. It’s dangerous stuff

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 18, 2023 11:20 am

Crossie at 9:47.

From what I understand sportsmen used to be paid a token amount even as recently as 40 years ago. It is the professionalisation of sport that is all about money.

Up until at least the 1930’s (possibly later) English cricket was divided into professionals and amateurs.
The professionals were working class or middle class lads who couldn’t afford to not have a job. The amateurs were typically chinless wonders from Public Schools who wouldn’t dream of taking money to play their beloved sport.
They even had separate dressing rooms.
Here’s the catch.
Better known amateurs didn’t draw match fees but made shitloads from product endorsements.
It is rumoured some of the better amateurs took under-the-table payments as well.

johanna
johanna
June 18, 2023 11:23 am

I meant to add that about 40 years ago Rugby League players used to have real jobs and playing on the weekends was a hobby.

They were part of the community and I think it made them grounded.

My mother was fond of a story where she was in the local bakery with my sister who was probably 14 or 15. My sister excitedly pointed to another customer to say that he was her favourite player in the local team (Sutherland-Cronulla Sharks).

My high school maths teacher, John Maguire, played second row in one of the early Sharks teams. Two classmates, Greg Mullane and Rick Bourke, played in subsequent teams when they were at uni. They were very community based in those days.

Professionalisation has destroyed those connections pretty much for good.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 18, 2023 11:25 am

It is rumoured some of the better amateurs took under-the-table payments as well.

Sorta like Carlton footballers you mean? *cough Visy*

P
P
June 18, 2023 11:26 am

21 days back to God book review:
A spiritual refugee of the 60s

The Catholic Weekly By Guest Contributor – June 17, 2023
Bob Cameron’s awakening from what he calls his “long spiritual coma” will speak to many souls in our era, so pervaded by spiritual confusion, emptiness, dissatisfaction, and loss.

About the Author
Bob Cameron was born in 1947 into a British Catholic family and raised in the faith’s education system. Aged 18, he angrily rejected the Church. Working as a journalist, Bob then began a 42-year media career. After covering the Northern Irish Troubles, he migrated to Australia in 1971 where he rose to become a senior executive in Kerry Packer’s media empire. In his fifties, Bob finally awoke from his ‘long spiritual coma’ and embarked on the challenging but ultimately healing journey of returning to the Church.

shatterzzz
June 18, 2023 11:26 am

Indigenous leaders elected for Victorian treaty talks
At least they’re all sportin’ 251 “cultural” monikers .. Brucie will be “proud” .. LOL!

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