Open Thread – Weekend 17 June 2023


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Roger
Roger
June 19, 2023 10:51 am

Former prime minister John Howard has called the ACT Government’s forced takeover of the Catholic-run Calvary Public Hospital Bruce the greatest assault on the principle of private ownership he has seen in Australia.

Someone remind the hypocrite of his role in restricting the right of farmers to manage their land.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 19, 2023 10:54 am

Vickisays:
June 19, 2023 at 9:50 am
BTW I reckon those exceptional movies “The Hurt Locker” and “American Sniper” & others – which portray the reality of the duplicitous population in the combat areas – have probably made the general population wary of believing any of the rubbish the Woke brigade dishes up.

As Allied soldiers found out while fighting the Japanese, it is very risky trying to accept the surrender of soldiers who come from a culture that (at that time) preferred death to surrender, and all the better if they could take some of their enemies with them.

Lesson: Let the sh1tholes sort out their own problems, and don’t accept “refugees” from those sh1tholes.

Dot
Dot
June 19, 2023 10:54 am

Says the Constitution is illegal.

Haha!

It doesn’t matter if you think let alone know it is de jure illegal. It is de facto the only one we’ve ever had as the Commonwealth of Australia and the one that prescribes her very Senatorship.

The stream cannot rise above the source, champ.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 19, 2023 10:55 am

Black Ball says: June 19, 2023 at 10:31 am

Grattan Institute hates your guts. Hun:

Victoria, as the most gas-reliant state in Australia, would need to take 200 homes off gas every day until 2050 in order to achieve net-zero emissions by the mid-century target, according to a new Grattan Institute report.

Hey, man, if I wanted to be told what my opinion should be before I’m told the story the opinion is about, I’d turn on the nightly news.

Grattan Institute Energy and Climate Change Program director Tony Wood called for more action, by all governments, including banning new gas connections to homes and small business and phasing out the sale of gas appliances well before 2050.

It’s just co-incidence that a technical change from gas heating to electric for the purpose of switching the ultimate energy source from fossil to ambient energy will also have the side-effect of making more people more dependent on electricity which they cannot store in significant quantity residentially.
Perhaps the Grattan Institute do hate your guts but this particular example does not make a convincing supporting argument for it. I don’t cook with gas so waiting for pans to heat up is something I’m used to. Perhaps that switch would be a gut-full for people who cook with gas.

the Albanese government’s $1bn allocation to the Clean Energy Finance Corporation in the 2023 budget was designed to “turbocharge financing options for household energy upgrades,”

These turbochargers sound great! Maybe we should use more of those?
Fossil fuel terminology in a renewables pitch. The irony, it burns stoichiometrically.

Crossie
Crossie
June 19, 2023 10:59 am

Muddy says:
June 19, 2023 at 10:39 am
These Guccidigenes are doing a pretty good job of giving their so-called bruthas a bad name. Still, I don’t suppose Guccidigenes and Best&Lessdigenes have much in common.

Guccidigenes, love it and I bet Marcia Langton would too, no Best & Less for her.

Crossie
Crossie
June 19, 2023 11:01 am

Former prime minister John Howard has called the ACT Government’s forced takeover of the Catholic-run Calvary Public Hospital Bruce the greatest assault on the principle of private ownership he has seen in Australia. Source: The Weekend Australian.

Mr Howard said Mr Albanese lacked the “courage to call out what the ACT Government is doing”.

I was under the impression that the federal government has sovereignty over territories which means that Albo can do more than call out the ACT government has done, he can stop it and reverse it.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 19, 2023 11:01 am

Says the Constitution is illegal.

Hang on.

Let me get my copy of the glovebox and check.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 19, 2023 11:04 am

‘Happy assimilation day’: Lidia Thorpe embarks on voice rant in Senate

By Rosie Lewis
Political Correspondent
@rosieslewis
10:53AM June 19, 2023
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Lidia Thorpe says the “tokenistic” Indigenous voice to parliament and executive government is the final nail in the coffin that gives her people no power.

The independent senator embarked on a lengthy rant against the Indigenous voice to parliament as speeches are heard in the lead up to the vote on the Constitutional Alteration Bill, which will pave the way to a referendum later this year.

“The black sovereign movement is a voice that you never allow at the table. If that is anything to go by then your tokenistic voice, what hope has that got? Who’s going to listen to a token voice? You, just you, do you want the voice to tell you that you need to stop killing our people?” she said in the Senate.
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“I hope the voice is going to tell them that they’ve got to stop killing our people. They’ve got to stop the suicides, they’ve got to stop assimilating us into their system. We have the oldest constitution on the planet, First Peoples in this country.

“Why are we begging like paupers again to go into a white, racist colonial Constitution that was set up to deny everything that we are. To destroy our lands and waters, to destroy everything as quickly as they could, to extract as much resource from stolen land, to dispossess us and make a nice life for yourselves.

“There is not one law in this country that has ever, ever, ever been good for us, not one. And now we’re meant to accept a powerless voice. It is truly assimilating our people so we’ll fit nicely as your little Indigenous Australians, it’s what you want us to be, right?

“You don’t want us to speak our language, you don’t want us to practise our culture.”

Senator Thorpe is wearing a T-shirt with the slogan “gammin”, which is slang used by Aboriginal Australians meaning “to pretend”, “be inauthentic” or to describe something as pathetic, according to the SBS.

She was asked to cover up the slogan by Senate president Sue Lines.

“Happy assimilation day,” Senator Thorpe declared as she stood to speak.

She said the voice would be a powerless advisory body as she referred to her gammin T-shirt, which she said “as we know is fake, pretend, a joke and that’s what I think a powerless voice is to this place”.

“We have fought over 200 years against colonisation. The Constitution is an illegal document. It’s illegal. The occupation in this country is illegal. You’re following the king. We’re all bound by the King,” she said.

“I‘m here for five more years. I don’t need no one’s vote. I don’t need anyone’s white guilt.

“And that’s what this is about. It’s appeasing the white guilt in this country by giving the poor little black fellas a powerless advisory body where the parliament this place and have a look at it.

“They decide what it is.’’

Senator Thorpe continued: “Sovereignty has never been ceded.

“But for the first time in this country’s history, people are starting to talk about sovereignty and what that actually means to recognise First Peoples sovereignty in this country will dissolve this colonial, violent institution that we’re all in right now.

“That’s why you want don’t want to acknowledge sovereignty in the racist Australian Constitution. That’s why the Greens voted that down on the hypocrisy of climate.

…Yes, I’m here to infiltrate it. To rattle the cages to destroy the white supremacy that is represented in this place.’’

Earlier, Liberal senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price told the Senate:

“The goodwill of many non Indigenous Australians is being exploited by those who seek to profit in money, clout or power off the real problems being faced by marginalised Australians.

“This is a dangerous and costly proposal. It is legally risky and full of unknowns. It is exploitative. It is emotionally manipulative. But worst of all, from the day Mr Albanese put his word into the Australian people, the process of division was begun.

“We are being divided. We will be further divided throughout this campaign. And if the yes vote is successful. We will be divided, forever.

“I want to see Australia move forward as one not too divided. That’s why I will be voting no.’’

Bed proud, the Greens. You selected this raving maniac!

Morsie
Morsie
June 19, 2023 11:07 am

Even Chemist Warehouses are on the whole individually owned.There is still a maximum of 5 pharmacies you can have an interest in, although you can fiddle with this a little.
The brand connection is established by a franchise agreement or similar.As well the chains generally use an operating company which holds the lease, employs non pharmacy staff and charges it back to the pharmacist.Then there are of course supply agreements.
The main problem in the past has been a shortage of pharmacists.
Did some work for a small rural chain.They offered young pharmacists the opportunity to basically become instant millionaires but it generally wasn’t enough to entice them into the wilds of rural Victoria.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 19, 2023 11:09 am

If Meloni hugs Musk, would that be fascism?

No. But if it made Elon burp it would be disgusting.

Ozempic users are reporting this disgusting side effect: ‘Next level’ (NYP via DT, 17 Jun)

After just three days on the medication, one TikToker noticed she was burping more, while a diabetic recently lamented her “absolutely horrible” burping.

They aren’t alone. Even Twitter owner Elon Musk, who admitted to using Wegovy last year to shed 30 pounds, said his burps are “next level.”

The linked stories about Ozempic face and Ozempic fingers were horrifyingly fascinating too.

Crossie
Crossie
June 19, 2023 11:13 am

“Happy assimilation day,” Senator Thorpe declared as she stood to speak.

Assimilation could have spared the indigenous all the chaos and pain that too many are locked into now. Assimilation could have enabled all to be productive and happier citizens whose children have a future. The voice will just solidify their current woes, not dispel them.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 19, 2023 11:16 am

Assimilation could have spared the indigenous all the chaos and pain that too many are locked into now

Assimilation was the official policy until that pair of fools Whitlam and Coombes arrived on the scene.

rosie
rosie
June 19, 2023 11:19 am

No-one is blaker than Lidia.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 19, 2023 11:19 am

Far out, this bloke is another Big-Pharma shill and lunatic. Sad to think people would take his advice and act on it … many gullible fools would have.

Big Pharma’s Infomercial Star Peter Hotez Is a Total Idiot

Roger
Roger
June 19, 2023 11:20 am

Be proud, the Greens. You selected this raving maniac!

In some ways I prefer the of screeching of Lidia to the sanctimony of Julian Burnside, who she beat in the Greens pre-selection.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 19, 2023 11:24 am

Our city penthouse had gas cooktops which were not separately metered.
How evil is that?

I’m thinking the strata fees probably turned it into a rounding error. As a tenant I got some of the lowest electricity bills I had ever seen while in that place. Actual consumption of electricity and water was really low.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
June 19, 2023 11:24 am

Assimilation could have enabled all to be productive and happier citizens whose children have a future. The voice will just solidify their current woes, not dispel them.

Thank you Gough and Nugget for the myth of the noble savage.

Vicki
Vicki
June 19, 2023 11:25 am

Actually this is typical – the so-called leaders at the top coming up with this sort of thing while allowing untold billions to be wasted on platform failure or non-acquisition, and morale to crash through the floor. I feel an article coming on…

Look forward to it, Top Ender!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 19, 2023 11:26 am

Carrying a Torx Driver With Intent soon to be on the books
in Old London Town.

Does seem to be a bit of guerrilla pushback to far-lefty Sadiq Khan’s no car farts zones (oops, they’re ULEZes not NCFZs). I suppose if you encourage lawlessness with BLM stuff and etc then you shouldn’t be surprised if they disrupt your silly green laws.

Labour admits private panic over plot to use ‘Boris by-election’ to scupper Khan and ULEZ (16 Jun)

I don’t think Labour needs to worry really, since the infighting between the wet elite Tories and the fed-up base is reaching nuclear levels. But the idea of using hated ULEZes as an election pitch is pretty good.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 19, 2023 11:27 am

Images taken from above the Kakhovka Dam and shared with the AP appear to show an explosive-laden car atop the structure.

That does seem a little less than entirely truthy.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 19, 2023 11:27 am

Pocock on his hind trotters in the Senate spruiking the inVoice.

Pocock is basically Brian Harradine plus rugby. That’s the Australian Senate at work.

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 19, 2023 11:28 am

Senate passes voice referendum bill

The bill has passed the Senate 52-19, with Labor senators and members of the public in the galleries standing to applaud the outcome.

Lidia Thorpe called out “happy assimilation day, nail in the coffin, we’re not going to stop fighting” as the result was read out by Senate president Sue Lines.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 19, 2023 11:30 am

Life often produces characters that out-do fiction.

The flashman books thrive on that sort of person.
Theres one I remember from India where he wore a leather collar because he had been wounded and live the rest of his life with the hole.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 19, 2023 11:30 am

Statler & Waldorf
19 minutes ago
Thorpe quite clearly has no truck with the current system of government, so why doesn’t she resign?

Roger
Roger
June 19, 2023 11:32 am

I once knew a German fellow with a Scottish surname.

Iirc, an ancestor had been a mercenary in the Thirty Years War and never went back home.

Cassie of Sydney
June 19, 2023 11:34 am

“The bill has passed the Senate 52-19”

So, that vote means quite a few so called Liberals voted in favour of a race based bill.

Every Liberal who voted for this travesty should be named.

Every Liberal who voted for this travesty should be shamed.

Every Liberal who voted for this travesty should be deselected.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
June 19, 2023 11:35 am

Donations to the YES industry are tax deductible.

Donations to any NO entity are not.

Sleazy using the power of government departments to promote his ideology.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 19, 2023 11:36 am

The City of Yarra gave me my first (and only) motorbike parking fine a few days after arriving in Melbournibad. Several months of correspondence brought me up to speed – at a cost. Bastards.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 19, 2023 11:37 am

Attending a meeting this week where farmers who’ve had wind turbines put on their properties list their regrets.

– No payments for turbines because profitability clauses were built into contracts.
– Extra land lost to agriculture as gravel pads and access lanes associated with the building process are not removed.
– The entity engaged in the initial agreement no longer owns the project.
– agreements signed containing trigger clauses that allowed companies to undertake additional activities and assume other rights on the easement that land owner was not aware of at signing.

Albo and Bonehead are sanctioning the exploitation of Australian landholders by multi-nationals.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
June 19, 2023 11:37 am

My cousin has got more black blood in her than chlamidia by miles and she is whiter than most and a ranga. Scottish genes are pretty strong.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 19, 2023 11:41 am

Billy man boobs approves this message.*

* The bloke could be trolling.

Here’s a Candidate for Terrifyingly Unhinged Leftist of the Week

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
June 19, 2023 11:41 am

Daytime Sky News presenters ejaculating over the 52/19 result.

Have to wait until the evening to get some balance.

Presenters at their ABC will be moistening day and night.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 19, 2023 11:43 am

I use the term “landholders” to be consistent with all AEMO and government documentation.
The “owners” are traditional. They’ve already changed the definition of your property title for official purposes.
You will be listed in future as a “property holder” not a home owner.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 19, 2023 11:46 am

Regarding the travails of overseas expeditions with rudimentary navigation aids.
A few years ago I went to buy a Tom-Tom or somesuch before departure. Helpful chap in the store told me to just download Sygic to my compuda.
Day before departure so I hurriedly did so, downloading the vanilla version without paying a lot of attention.
Set it up for the long drive from Than Thebathtian (Donothtia) to Barthelona.
All going fine on the cross country bit.
Arrived in Barthelona late afternoon on a public holiday and it was bedlam. The moving map seemed to be lagging about 15-20 seconds behind and I kept missing turns.
Suddenly, the mute Sygic speaks:-
“If you’d bought Sygic Premium with voice commands you’d be there by now … Do you wish to upgrade?”
I gave the screen a very quick percussion resistance test and told Mr Sygic “No thank you” (or words to that effect.
Navaids have moved on, thank Christ.

P
P
June 19, 2023 11:48 am

Jack Poso @JackPosobiec
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3h
RFK Jr: Trump was so popular bc he was the one guy talking to the middle class who are getting wiped out

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1670555101897818115

Johnny Rotten
June 19, 2023 11:50 am

You can observe a lot by just watching.

– Yogi Berra

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 19, 2023 11:51 am

Daytime Sky News presenters ejaculating over the 52/19 result.

The Referendum procedure bill? It has all the significance of the Dog Act. No doubt there were some fiddles around “information” advertising.

Vicki
Vicki
June 19, 2023 11:51 am

Thank you Gough and Nugget for the myth of the noble savage.

I had no idea that Anthropolgy itself has been under attack from the cultural Woke within the profession who have tried to overturn the basic principles of Anthropology in pursuit of this obsession with “the noble savage”.

Have just read the Chapter entitled “The Dangerous Life of an Anthropologist” (by Matthew Blackwell) in the recently published “Panics and Persecutions.” It describes the vicious attacks by other anthropologists on Napoleon Chagnon, a distinguished ethnographer who documented the way of life of the very primitive Yanomamo people in Venezuela. His opponents claimed that he demeaned the people by portraying their culture as he did.

It is noticeable that this same resistance towards documenting Aboriginal societies at the time of first contact is seen today for similar reasons.

Crossie
Crossie
June 19, 2023 11:51 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:
June 19, 2023 at 11:30 am
Statler & Waldorf
19 minutes ago
Thorpe quite clearly has no truck with the current system of government, so why doesn’t she resign?

Where else would she be paid at all let alone so handsomely to be rude and obnoxious?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 19, 2023 11:53 am

H B Bearsays:

June 19, 2023 at 11:24 am

Our city penthouse had gas cooktops which were not separately metered.
How evil is that?

I’m thinking the strata fees probably turned it into a rounding error. As a tenant I got some of the lowest electricity bills I had ever seen while in that place. Actual consumption of electricity and water was really low.

True.
Although I would have loved to have hooked an internal in-line HWS up to it if I could.
I think the mass of lots of apartments clustered together helps with heating.
As for water, we didn’t use the place for months during lockdans. Water consumption 0.0000000 Giggle-Eaters.
Bill still in the $hundreds because service connection, parks and waterways levy, yada, yada.

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
June 19, 2023 11:53 am

Happy assimilation day

Lidia Alma Thorpe[3] was born in 1973 in Carlton, Victoria[4][5] to Roy Illingworth[6] and Marjorie Thorpe.[7] She is of English, Irish,[8] DjabWurrung, Gunnai and Gunditjmara descent.[9]

I rather think that is a date 9 months prior?

Crossie
Crossie
June 19, 2023 11:53 am

Cassie of Sydney says:
June 19, 2023 at 11:34 am
“The bill has passed the Senate 52-19”

So, that vote means quite a few so called Liberals voted in favour of a race based bill.

Every Liberal who voted for this travesty should be named.
Every Liberal who voted for this travesty should be shamed.
Every Liberal who voted for this travesty should be deselected.

They should be but they won’t be, the best we can do is name them and shame them.

Crossie
Crossie
June 19, 2023 11:55 am

Farmer Gez says:
June 19, 2023 at 11:43 am
I use the term “landholders” to be consistent with all AEMO and government documentation.
The “owners” are traditional. They’ve already changed the definition of your property title for official purposes.
You will be listed in future as a “property holder” not a home owner.

This should be pointed out to every person paying off an enormous home loan. They are making payments for something they will not own if they vote YES.

Johnny Rotten
June 19, 2023 11:57 am

Barking Toadsays:
June 19, 2023 at 11:35 am
Donations to the YES industry are tax deductible.

Donations to any NO entity are not.

Sleazy using the power of government departments to promote his ideology.

Time for the ‘NO’ Mob to apply for a Private Ruling from the ATO. If still a ‘no’ then take this to Court. There has to be some legal expertise within the ‘NO’ Mob. Time to get their legal people’s a*se into gear IMHO.

Dot
Dot
June 19, 2023 12:01 pm

Maybe the Calvary Hospital redux will be the redemption of John Howard Skywalker.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 19, 2023 12:01 pm

Every Liberal who voted for this travesty should be named.
Every Liberal who voted for this travesty should be shamed.
Every Liberal who voted for this travesty should be deselected.

Well, there would be two distinct categories:-
.1 Avid Da Voice supporters;
2. Opponents who hold the view that we should send it to a referendum.
I can see the point of the second group. If it goes to a vote and fails, they can at least point to that and say “You had your vote. STFU.”
They won’t STFU of course, but it will deflate the cause for a while.

Vicki
Vicki
June 19, 2023 12:07 pm

This should be pointed out to every person paying off an enormous home loan. They are making payments for something they will not own if they vote YES.

Good point.

Cassie of Sydney
June 19, 2023 12:07 pm

“the best we can do is name them and shame them.”

The best we can do is NOT vote for them.

Crossie
Crossie
June 19, 2023 12:09 pm

Donations to the YES industry are tax deductible.

Donations to any NO entity are not.

Sleazy using the power of government departments to promote his ideology.

Time for the ‘NO’ Mob to apply for a Private Ruling from the ATO. If still a ‘no’ then take this to Court. There has to be some legal expertise within the ‘NO’ Mob. Time to get their legal people’s a*se into gear IMHO.

This is a constitutional matter and must be taken to the High Court. In the meantime the referendum can’t go ahead.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 19, 2023 12:09 pm

As for water, we didn’t use the place for months during lockdans. Water consumption 0.0000000 Giggle-Eaters.
Bill still in the $hundreds because service connection, parks and waterways levy, yada, yada.

Service charges are just taxation, although corporatisation doesn’t help with cashflow. We did our best to ensure to ensure our fees came out before anything went back to government. It hasn’t always been iron ore and caviar in the West.

duncanm
duncanm
June 19, 2023 12:10 pm

Anthony Albanese’s local Sydney pharmacist and ALP member Adele Tahan has warned that the government’s 60-day dispensing policy will hit pharmacies and­ ­patients “like a wrecking ball”, as new industry modelling warns of mass closures and 20,000 jobs lost.

and so what?

Its the broken window fallacy. If pharmacists are now clipping the ticket for those prescriptions, then let it be so.

Crossie
Crossie
June 19, 2023 12:11 pm

Cassie of Sydney says:
June 19, 2023 at 12:07 pm
“the best we can do is name them and shame them.”

The best we can do is NOT vote for them.

That option is available to voters in their states, the rest of us still need to resort to naming and shaming.

duncanm
duncanm
June 19, 2023 12:12 pm

Tomsays:
June 19, 2023 at 4:05 am
Brett Lethbridge.

right on the money.

Diogenes
Diogenes
June 19, 2023 12:13 pm

The linked stories about Ozempic face and Ozempic fingers were horrifyingly fascinating too.

My only side effect is reflux if I sleep on my left side. Also a bit of nausea every so often, not sure what the trigger is

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 19, 2023 12:15 pm

If it goes to a vote and fails, they can at least point to that and say “You had your vote. STFU.”
They won’t STFU of course, but it will deflate the cause for a while.

Using daylight saving in WA as an example, we should get 20+ years between referendums. Howard, Gillard and any politician with half a brain was very content to kick this can down the road.

shatterzzz
June 19, 2023 12:22 pm

I once knew a German fellow with a Scottish surname.

Jacques Etienne Joseph Alexandre MacDonald .. Napoleonic marshal ……
His father followed “bonny” Prince Charlie into exile after Culloden (1746) .. he was also related to Flora McDonald who accompanied the Prince to France ….. He earned his marshal’s baton after his generalship in the battle of Wagram (1809) .. He lost 13 000 killed at Lutzen (1813) after crossing the Katzbach River and putting his troops in an indefensible position .. mired in mud and their ammunition wet thru it turned into a shambolic defeat .. He redeemed himself with the successful defence of Leipzig (1814) and was with Napoleon until the abdication .. He was ill when Napoleon returned from Elba and took no part in the “100 Days” culminating at Waterloo ……
MacDonald never fought in any of the campaigns against the British …..

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 19, 2023 12:30 pm

This is fine and normal.
Not alluded to on any FTA channel in oz.
Can you imaging if a repub said such a weird, out of place thing.

Biden wraps up his remarks in Connecticut: “Alright, God save the queen, man” pic.twitter.com/NJShsIA1eg

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) June 16, 2023

Dot
Dot
June 19, 2023 12:33 pm

Biden wraps up his remarks in Massachusetts: “Martin, it’s all psychological. You yell barracuda, everybody says, “Huh? What?” You yell shark, we’ve got a panic on our hands on the Fourth of July. ”

Dot
Dot
June 19, 2023 12:37 pm

Biden wraps up his remarks in Springfield, Oregon: “Now just a darn minute. This town is a part of who you are! This is a Springfield Isotopes cap. When you wear it, you’re wearing Springfield. When you eat a fish from our river, you’re eating Springfield. When you make lemonade from our trees, you’re drinking Springfield.”

Roger
Roger
June 19, 2023 12:37 pm

This should be pointed out to every person paying off an enormous home loan. They are making payments for something they will not own if they vote YES.

Good point.

Erm…except it’s not the case.

Native title cannot be claimed over freehold land unless the freehold title was invalidly granted.

Dot
Dot
June 19, 2023 12:38 pm

Biden wraps up his remarks in Arlen, Texas: “Hands off girly, I didn’t fight off a bunker full of horny privates to let you cop a feel”.

Cassie of Sydney
June 19, 2023 12:38 pm

Karl Marx’s wife, Jenny von Westphalen, herself a noble, had aristocratic Scottish ancestry.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 19, 2023 12:38 pm

Dotsays:
June 19, 2023 at 12:33 pm

I hadnt seen that one.
Hes only an unguarded moment away from the Simpsons monologue isnt he?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yujF8AumiQo

Dot
Dot
June 19, 2023 12:44 pm

HEY FUNBOYS, GET A ROOM…

This one is for Baron von Herzenberger and his slick Mercedes SL…

This reminds me. I must get to Stuttgart to see Kraftwerk.

Morsie
Morsie
June 19, 2023 12:46 pm

Thinking about the Higgins/Lehrman shit show I am coming around to the conclusion that a French style system whereby the police, prosecutor and judge investigate before charges are laid might well be preferable to our traditional system.
Or am I just indulging in wishful thinking and does it have the same sort of problems?

dopey
dopey
June 19, 2023 12:51 pm

“Bill has passed the Senate 52-19. ” I’ll go with that on pick-the-score, next All Blacks-Wallabies test.

Crossie
Crossie
June 19, 2023 12:51 pm

Roger says:
June 19, 2023 at 12:37 pm
This should be pointed out to every person paying off an enormous home loan. They are making payments for something they will not own if they vote YES.
Good point.
Erm…except it’s not the case.
Native title cannot be claimed over freehold land unless the freehold title was invalidly granted.

A mere technicality that the voice will recommend be overridden and what the voice recommends will not be denied.

Roger
Roger
June 19, 2023 12:53 pm

A mere technicality that the voice will recommend be overridden and what the voice recommends will not be denied.

Let’s not get carried away here.

rosie
rosie
June 19, 2023 12:56 pm

Napoleon Bonaparte, strictly speaking, was Italian.
Dad was Carlo Buonaparte, minor Italian nobility, slight name change when France annexed Corsica for non payment of war funding debts.

rosie
rosie
June 19, 2023 12:58 pm

Lots of Irish surnames in Spain too, not to mention the Duke Of Alba is a Fitz-James.

John H.
John H.
June 19, 2023 1:02 pm

Vickisays:
June 19, 2023 at 11:51 am
Thank you Gough and Nugget for the myth of the noble savage.

I had no idea that Anthropolgy itself has been under attack from the cultural Woke within the profession who have tried to overturn the basic principles of Anthropology in pursuit of this obsession with “the noble savage”.

Have just read the Chapter entitled “The Dangerous Life of an Anthropologist” (by Matthew Blackwell) in the recently published “Panics and Persecutions.” It describes the vicious attacks by other anthropologists on Napoleon Chagnon, a distinguished ethnographer who documented the way of life of the very primitive Yanomamo people in Venezuela. His opponents claimed that he demeaned the people by portraying their culture as he did.

It is noticeable that this same resistance towards documenting Aboriginal societies at the time of first contact is seen today for similar reasons.

I read Chagnon’s book on the Yanomamo. IIRC the attacks on him long preceded the WOKE emergence of today. That demonstrates how deeply entrenched the ideology was in anthropology. Chagnon’s picture of the Yanomamo was one of extreme violence. One third died violent deaths, snake bites being common. He noted that raiding other tribes was common and the goal was often about taking women. I disregard any arguments that clearly have a political motivation(left or right) so I don’t care about the criticisms of his work. He was even accused of spreading measles among the Yanomamo. That was dismissed and clearly was politically motivated. If you want to see something truly shocking about the human capacity for violence then look to prehistoric Europe. Both genetically and with various digs the emerging picture is that the Yamnaya swept through Europe(~5,ooo years ago) engaging in genocidal slaughter and eliminating a huge swatch of the existing male population. In the Iberian peninsula the decimation of the existing male population is striking. We changed, the hunter gatherers didn’t.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 19, 2023 1:03 pm

Where else would she be paid at all let alone so handsomely to be rude and obnoxious?

What does that render her, where she is quite happy to accept the filthy lucre of the invader?

Cliff Boof
Cliff Boof
June 19, 2023 1:03 pm

“Donations to any NO entity are not.”

As far as I know, my donations to Jacinta are tax deductible.

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 1:04 pm

I still don’t understand why the InVoice needs to provide advice to the Governor General?

On the appointment of Prime Ministers/Ministers or war…???

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 19, 2023 1:05 pm

Jesus, if this is really how the “offensive” is going then its been a debacle.

Ukraine has captured the village of Piatykhatky on the western edge of the Zaporizhzhia front, according to a Russia-appointed official and sources, the first village recaptured by Kyiv’s forces in nearly a week.

In a posting on Telegram on Sunday morning, Vladimir Rogov, a Russia-installed official for the region, said Ukrainian forces had taken the village under their “operational control” after what he described as fierce fighting.

The Russian military blogger War Gonzo also reported that Piatykhatky had been abandoned. War Gonzo and Rogov both said Russian forces were trying to counterattack with artillery in the hope that Ukrainian forces had become overextended.

If Piatykhatky’s capture is confirmed, it would demonstrate Ukraine’s continuing incremental momentum in its counteroffensive.

Ukraine’s modest gains in the past two weeks still leave its forces several miles from Russia’s main network of defensive lines, fortified trenches dug – in some cases with forced labour. It also remains far from clear Kyiv can achieve the kind of breakthrough that would force panic in the Kremlin.
….
Ukraine’s series of attacks are generally considered to be probing attacks, designed to reveal weaknesses in the Russian positions. The belief is that at some point, a main thrust, which is likely to involve two or more brigades and make greater use of western supplied armour such as British Challenger 2 tanks, will follow.

All that looks like some big huffs of copium.
Meanwhile thousands of conscripts will be slaughtered…

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 1:05 pm

Let’s also not forgot that the GG has to sign off on any bills that provide appropriation and all bills that need Royal Assent…

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 19, 2023 1:12 pm

The bittered Sav opines…

As the journalist Niki Savva wrote: “While it is not true to say that every Australian who votes no in the voice referendum is a racist, you can bet your bottom dollar that every racist will vote no.”

Because the current 90 million dollars a day to Abo issues needs to be pushed to infinity!!!

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 19, 2023 1:13 pm

The Voice passes the senate 52-19.
Unrepresentative swill live up to their well deserved reputation again.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 19, 2023 1:16 pm

A man who murdered his wife, melted her body in acid and poured her remains down a drain

Which acid ? … asking for a friend…

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 19, 2023 1:22 pm

Didn’t Lidia Thorpe swear allegiance to the Monarchy to sit in the Senate? Is the penalty for swearing a false oath, still beheading?

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 19, 2023 1:22 pm

Former prime minister John Howard has called the ACT Government’s forced takeover of the Catholic-run Calvary Public Hospital Bruce the greatest assault on the principle of private ownership he has seen in Australia.

No mention of making private hospitals close, nation wide, to keep their beds available during ‘COVID”? … I for one had lists cancelled in Calvary Private in Adelaide on exactly this basis when *neither* the public nor the private hospitals were full of coof patients.

How do you like that? Want your hip replacement done in private after you paid your insurance all those years – tough, your (empty) bed is reserved for the coof.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 19, 2023 1:25 pm

As Allied soldiers found out while fighting the Japanese, it is very risky trying to accept the surrender of soldiers who come from a culture that (at that time) preferred death to surrender, and all the better if they could take some of their enemies with them.

Quite, and best to remember that prisoners only become prisoners once you *accept* their surrender – not when they *offer* it.

Roger
Roger
June 19, 2023 1:28 pm

“…you can bet your bottom dollar that every racist will vote no.”

Why do liberals imagine that racism is only ever directed from white to black?

They should get out of their gated compounds more often.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 19, 2023 1:28 pm

Even Chemist Warehouses are on the whole individually owned.There is still a maximum of 5 pharmacies you can have an interest in

Perhaps we should hold the government to the same standard?

Dot
Dot
June 19, 2023 1:32 pm

As the journalist Niki Savva wrote: “While it is not true to say that every Australian who votes no in the voice referendum is a racist, you can bet your bottom dollar that every racist will vote no.”

Actually, I can bet racists will vote both YES and NO with great enthusiasm. Few will not vote at all, the informal vote will be a protest vote who think there is not even a point in voting NO, a smaller number will be genuinely concerned indigenous who think it is not a good idea, misrepresents the Uluru process or the Uluru process was a bum deal anyway. Thorpe says so far she’ll vote NO (she thinks the Senate, of which she is a member, is illegal….) but I highly doubt it.

Niki Savva is a 9-carat lightweight if she thinks the most rabid proponents of Aboriginal separatism-by-Federal-handouts are not some of the worst racists. She’s not very cerebral and you’d get more out of a journeyman tradesman or university graduate APS.

I could be convinced to vote, as a Parliamentarian, and as an ordinary citizen elector FOR the Voice with a YES; IF –

It was time limited to 20 years and if the “gap” wasn’t closed, it would be automatically repealed and barred from any future referendums permanently.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 19, 2023 1:32 pm

Their ABC.
How do we tackle the cost of living squeeze for mortgaged middle income families with increasing interest rates?
– increase Medicare levy
– super profits tax
– price caps
I had to turn it off at that point.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 19, 2023 1:34 pm

Far out, this bloke is another Big-Pharma shill and lunatic. Sad to think people would take his advice and act on it … many gullible fools would have.

Big Pharma’s Infomercial Star Peter Hotez Is a Total Idiot

And the good Prof vaxnazi is running a mile from RKKJs offer to debate him on Joe Rogan for a purse of 1.5m USD to go to his nominated charity – on the one hand, Hotez decries the damage done by the ‘misinformation spreader’ RFKJ, on the other, refuses to set the record straight on one of the worlds biggest stages. … baffling really.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/vaccine-promoter-peter-hotez-cowers-debating-robert-kennedy/

Foxbody
Foxbody
June 19, 2023 1:39 pm

Zatara at 9.07
Thankyou, most entertaining.
Two things I took away from that –

-Every fake issue she raised is used by the left here – every one. I remember when the Australian left hated most everything about U S culture and mores.

-If relations with China are on the precipice and a general call up is underway – and it includes a very wide age range and both sexes as it will have to – how many utterly useless individuals like that will be appearing before draft boards?
We are going to need many blocking battalions if things get desperate, I fear.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 19, 2023 1:43 pm

We are going to need many blocking battalions if things get desperate, I fear.

You do realize the blocking battalions arent allowed to start shooting the troops they are blocking until AFTER they break and run?

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 19, 2023 1:45 pm

Attending a meeting this week where farmers who’ve had wind turbines put on their properties list their regrets

I’m currently reading ‘wind turbine syndrome’.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Wind-Turbine-Syndrome-Natural-Experiment/dp/0984182705

Take home message: infrasound given off by turbines can and does cause illness, particularly affecting those already prone to motion sickness or migraines, and at frequencies that are inaudible to the sufferers.

The minimum safe distance appears to be about a mile, possibly double that in mountains, or for those particularly prone, as above.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 19, 2023 1:48 pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-19/ukraine-kakhovka-dam-russia-drone-footage/102494826

In the Middle East, they trained us to look for VBIEDs (car bombs) by looking for signs of overloading – eg the car is sitting very low on its springs due to the weight of explosives within.

The Ukes ‘aha – this is how the Ruskies didit’ drone photo shows a car riding at normal height – the tops of the tyres are visible, not pushed up into the wheel arches.

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 1:50 pm

Its not a bad idea Dot.

Why not put a sunset clause into the Voice?

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 19, 2023 1:53 pm

This bill that was passed today, that’s just to have the referendum proceed is it not?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 19, 2023 1:53 pm

Hmm yes Russia decided to blow up the dam by stuffing a Lada so chock full of explosives that they had to cut the roof off of it, thus making the explosives clearly (and conveniently) visible by a Ukrainian drone that just so happened to flying by and was able to take a lucky snap of it.

Not immediately clear why the Russians bothered to cut an irregular hole in the car’s roof. By inspection it doesn’t appear to be packed to the roof line with anything.

More importantly, there’s no sign in the early images of the dam failure of the surface blast damage that a large mass charge would cause. Even a superdooper, special forces, Seymour Hersh, shaped charge would leave a big scorch mark and visible scraps of Lada.

Poor effort.

Roger
Roger
June 19, 2023 1:53 pm

Its not a bad idea Dot.

Why not put a sunset clause into the Voice?

Just…vote…no.

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 1:56 pm

Some dude on twitter with quite the following (I’ve lost the link now) has claimed 9 Fox employees have left in the last week to join Tucker…

Bill P
Bill P
June 19, 2023 1:59 pm

best to remember that prisoners only become prisoners once you *accept* their surrender – not when they *offer* it.

The old offer and acceptance.
I need to reference the Carbolic Smokeball Company again.

Roger
Roger
June 19, 2023 2:00 pm

This bill that was passed today, that’s just to have the referendum proceed is it not?

Yes, BB.

Albanese must now set a date within two – six months.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 19, 2023 2:01 pm

This bill that was passed today, that’s just to have the referendum proceed is it not?

That’s my understanding. It also gives Albanese an excuse to repeat the old nonsense about “the oldest culture in existence.”

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 2:02 pm

Some are predicting a massive, worldwide cyber attack on over 250 cities within the next month:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/06/us-china-cyber-espionage-campaign-cybersecurity-news/

Yes, WEF….

Bill P
Bill P
June 19, 2023 2:02 pm

And a TOTP to youse all

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 19, 2023 2:03 pm

This bill that was passed today, that’s just to have the referendum proceed is it not?

Yes.
It also confirms the Referendum question.

It also suggests that eleven Liberal Senators voted in favour and five did not vote.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
June 19, 2023 2:04 pm

Why not put a sunset clause into the Voice?

Why not just don’t have the inVoice?

Zatara
Zatara
June 19, 2023 2:07 pm

Foxbody

One of my favorite lines in that video: “I have PTSD from generational trauma”.

Umm, then you don’t have PTSD Miss. Go look up Factitious Disorder – A condition that involves a pattern of intentionally fabricating illness or exaggerating the circumstances of a condition to elicit sympathy, nuturing, or attention from others.

You may add attempting to use the condition to excuse poor behavior to that list.

Roger
Roger
June 19, 2023 2:09 pm

The question before Mr. 32% now is, “Do I go early with the polling looking so bad or do I wait while Australians suffer a winter of discontent with higher power bills & several interest rate rises on the cards?”

No pressure, Elbow; it’s just your political future.

😀

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 19, 2023 2:10 pm

This bill that was passed today, that’s just to have the referendum proceed is it not?

October 14th is firming as the preferred date.

Dot
Dot
June 19, 2023 2:11 pm

All the NO case needs is Lidia Thorpe on repeat.

Roger
Roger
June 19, 2023 2:13 pm

October 14th is firming as the preferred date.

Courageous, Prime Minister.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 19, 2023 2:16 pm

Go look up Factitious Disorder – A condition that involves a pattern of intentionally fabricating illness or exaggerating the circumstances of a condition to elicit sympathy, nuturing, or attention from others.

Thank you. “Inter-generational trauma”, caused by white colonization, is the latest trendy complaint, in this part of the world.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 19, 2023 2:16 pm

Lidia Thorpe is the double bluff for the Yes case.
She argued in parliament that she’d be for The Voice if it gave real power to the indig.
Must be OK if Lidia thinks it’s weak then.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 19, 2023 2:19 pm

Test

shatterzzz
June 19, 2023 2:22 pm

Thinking about the Higgins/Lehrman shit show I am coming around to the conclusion that a French style system whereby the police, prosecutor and judge investigate before charges are laid might well be preferable to our traditional system.
Or am I just indulging in wishful thinking and does it have the same sort of problems?

Having watched the French plod effort .. Spiral .. which shows all 3 of the above working in unison I’m inclined to agree .. lotza legal issues in that show that are finalized well before the need for court-time ……
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0477507/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_3_tt_7_nm_1_q_spiral

shatterzzz
June 19, 2023 2:26 pm

Which acid ? … asking for a friend…

https://ibb.co/fMbh2Rb

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
June 19, 2023 2:28 pm

Thinking about the Higgins/Lehrman shit show I am coming around to the conclusion that a French style system whereby the police, prosecutor and judge investigate before charges are laid might well be preferable to our traditional system.
Or am I just indulging in wishful thinking and does it have the same sort of problems?

Having watched the French plod effort .. Spiral .. which shows all 3 of the above working in unison I’m inclined to agree .. lotza legal issues in that show that are finalized well before the need for court-time ……
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0477507/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_3_tt_7_nm_1_q_spiral

All 3 in unison vs the accused seems a bit too much one-sided. The prosecution should have to make the case to Judges for charges to be laid against an accused.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
June 19, 2023 2:32 pm

Also police and prosecutors are generally very well resourced. If they can’t make a case then with the available evidence provided then no charges should be laid.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 19, 2023 2:33 pm

Motion to revoke David Van’s $6000 role

Included on the Senate orders of business today is a motion to revoke Victorian senator David Van as temporary chair of committees in the senate.

It’s one of the weird roles in this place, but essentially is a back up to the Senate president and deputy president to oversee Senate proceedings.

Van was appointed to that role in August of last year and received a 3% salary top up for it (about $6,000).

Leaving aside allegations of gropage against Van, this is a revealing window into the operation of the Canbra grift.

Van the Invisible Man and accidental Senator was granted a $6,000 lurk by a Senate hostile to his politics.

Every child wins a prize.

Dot
Dot
June 19, 2023 2:33 pm

Also police and prosecutors are generally very well resourced. If they can’t make a case then with the available evidence provided then no charges should be laid.

Bloody oath.

John H.
John H.
June 19, 2023 2:40 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
June 19, 2023 at 2:16 pm
Go look up Factitious Disorder – A condition that involves a pattern of intentionally fabricating illness or exaggerating the circumstances of a condition to elicit sympathy, nuturing, or attention from others.

Thank you. “Inter-generational trauma”, caused by white colonization, is the latest trendy complaint, in this part of the world.

Ask them if they have read anything about it. There are many studies, the concept was first mentioned in 1966 from studies of holocaust survivors. It happens to a minority of the population. No individual has the right to invoke it and it has no relationship to PTSD. There are biological and cultural components to the condition.

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
June 19, 2023 2:40 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:
June 19, 2023 at 1:12 pm
The bittered Sav opines…

As the journalist Niki Savva wrote: “While it is not true to say that every Australian who votes no in the voice referendum is a racist, you can bet your bottom dollar that every racist will vote no.”

The bittered sav appears to have a massive blind spot, that none of the indigenous activist class is racist. Quite astounding when one considers that the whole edifice appears to name one race in the constitution at the exclusion of all others.

Bushkid
Bushkid
June 19, 2023 2:43 pm

Roger says:
June 19, 2023 at 9:46 am
Can someone explain why they are

legally binding
Because we’ve signed up to international agreements, mem.

“WE” didn’t sign up to any of this rubbish, Roger.

Successive governments did so, without ever asking us if WE wanted them to.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 19, 2023 2:44 pm

On the subject of criminal investigations, the only change I would suggest would be to include a designated member of the DPP office to work alongside the investigating police, with both groups to sign of on the recommendation. That DPP member then to lead the prosecution.

shatterzzz
June 19, 2023 2:45 pm

All 3 in unison vs the accused seems a bit too much one-sided. The prosecution should have to make the case to Judges for charges to be laid against an accused.

The judge is investigative not court enrolled and oversees the plod & prosecution (their version of DPP)investigation/running of the case .. he/she sifts thru their evidence, on a regular basis and makes the final call on whether to charge or drop it ………. if it gets to court the judge/prosecution/defence are different folk ……..

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 2:58 pm

TheirABC weekly meeting…

Producer: Geeze our ratings are really tanking, what should we do?

Team: Fire Probyn cos he’s not left enough and hire more leftists!

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 3:01 pm

Well…. literally just received an email from CEO to all staff about how our organisation is supporting the Voice and to have “constructive discussions” as the vote draws nearer…

Yeah, “constructive” as in dont be a NO.

Figures
Figures
June 19, 2023 3:02 pm

All 3 in unison vs the accused seems a bit too much one-sided.

It’s worse than that. Juries – being typically comprised of brainwashed imbeciles like Monty – would think “well if all of these people agree the guy’s guilty, who am I to dissent?”

The best way is to change the rules on jury selection. Defendants should be able to argue to the judge that exculpatory evidence has been ignored. If the judge agrees, instead of declaring a mistrial (which they are too afraid to do), the judge rules that the prosecution gets no/minimal say in jury selection.

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 3:03 pm

Anyone got a sub to Fauxfacts as I actually wouldn’t mind reading Jon Faine critique of theirALPBC…

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/a-boring-aunty-how-the-abc-is-alienating-its-audience-20230616-p5dh5z.html

Muddy
Muddy
June 19, 2023 3:04 pm

Re. the Ukraine dam: While I have bugger-all expertise in this area, would it reasonable to assume that a good deal of the blast force would be directed upwards, thus wasting a degree of the destructive energy?

Leaving aside visibility, does this seem like a dodgy position for explosives if infrastructure damage was the aim? (I’m assuming that the allegation is that the explosives were not later removed and then positioned without the vehicle being involved).

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 3:07 pm

I don’t often agree with ASPI (aka Military Industrial Complex) but this was an interesting read:

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/smile-diplomacy-is-welcome-but-war-may-be-coming/

(I’m not getting much work done today as am wfh and its about five f-cking degrees in Perth right now )

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
June 19, 2023 3:10 pm

Lysander, time for a bit of Your Rights At Work.
Down tools, cease production and get the butcher’s paper and crayons out for a four-day summit, brainstorm, kumbaya, yarning, group hug primal scream therapy session.
And after that, sometime next week, put an anonymous whistle-blower tip to HR about possible debbil debbil backsliders, and start the wildcat strike all over again.

Muddy
Muddy
June 19, 2023 3:10 pm

Another thought on the ‘car bomb’: Does the shadow from the car look realistic? (It’s difficult to compare it with other shadows, given the photo we have access to). Can this be a ‘photoshopped’ image? (Pure speculation on my part, of course).

Dot
Dot
June 19, 2023 3:13 pm

This is wild!

https://www.revolver.news/2023/06/ireland-is-rapidly-advancing-a-law-to-make-it-illegal-to-even-possess-hate-speech/

Irish Green Party Sen. Pauline O’Reilly defended a controversial bill that could jail citizens for merely possessing material that criticizes gender identity.

The Irish Criminal Justice Bill purportedly targets “hate speech,” but some critics have compared it to the concept of punishing people for “thought crime,” a term popularized by George Orwell’s dystopian novel “1984.”

The text of the “Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022,” notes that a person can be imprisoned if they “prepare or possess” material that is “likely to incite violence or hatred against a person or a group of persons on account of their protected characteristics,” one of which being “gender” identity.

This means you cannot even document so-called “hate speech” or outrageous acts by the most absurd and off the wall gender identity activists.

Free speech is sacred.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 19, 2023 3:15 pm

As the journalist Niki Savva wrote: “While it is not true to say that every Australian who votes no in the voice referendum is a racist, you can bet your bottom dollar that every racist will vote no.”

What a hideous woman.

Let’s be honest – how many real racists are there? People who really think that people of a different skin colour or physiognomy are inherently inferior? There will be people who think the cultures that correlate with race produce people who are sub-optimal, but that is a cultural issue.

And since the left always pushes the sanctity of (non-white cultures) to the point that they even tell migrants coming here that they should not have to change their ways then it might be the left who are the true racists by their own definition!

Nikki is seeking to smear by association with a possible handful or true racists every person who has weighed the issues and determined that it is the wrong way to go.

You can see why she was a natural fit with Mick Trumble.

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 3:15 pm

Indeed Wally, the email was accompanied by the passive aggressive threat that “you opinions have a direct impact on the organisation’s reputation.”

Anyway, since I identify as Indigenous I should be able to get away with my opinions on the InVoice. Not sure they’ll want to get HR in to sort out their racism. 😛

Dot
Dot
June 19, 2023 3:22 pm

Indeed Wally, the email was accompanied by the passive aggressive threat that “you opinions have a direct impact on the organisation’s reputation.”

You’ve just got to be upbeat about it. “Yes, my opinions make us look good”.

Workplace bullying by HR is always unintentionally hilarious and unecessarily cruel.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
June 19, 2023 3:23 pm

“your opinions have a direct impact on the organisation’s reputation.”

It’s true. And supporting the voice makes them look like gullible nitwits

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 3:25 pm

I personally think that McGowan and now Roger Crook have gazumped the voice vote here in WA due to the most ridiculous indigenous laws coming into effect on 1 July.

You be allowed to even fart in your general direction without getting indigenous approval (at $250 per hour ffs!!!).

Muddy
Muddy
June 19, 2023 3:25 pm

Lysander says:
June 19, 2023 at 3:15 pm

Indeed Wally, the email was accompanied by the passive aggressive threat that “you opinions have a direct impact on the organisation’s reputation.”

‘Twould be a shame if the rumour that your voting choice for the inVoice was to be reported to your employer via the taxation system, was to become widespread.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 19, 2023 3:25 pm

FMD read this from the Daily Telegraph:

Senator Lidia Thorpe declared that she would vote “No” to the Voice proposal before Parliament, describing it as nothing more than appeasing “white guilt”.

She said she was “ashamed” that she was not voting on a proposal to deliver a treaty and Indigenous seats in Parliament.

Pointing to One Nation leader Pauline Hanson, she said she wanted to “destroy the white supremacy that is represented in this place.”

“This is a colonial institution. I’m here, yes, I’m here, to infiltrate it,’’ she said.

“I am here to rattle the cages, to destroy the white supremacy that is represented in this place.

Senator Thorpe, who now sits as an independent after splitting from the Greens, said she could not support a patronising and powerless advisory body.

“I’m here for five more years. I don’t need no one’s vote. I don’t need anyone’s white guilt,’’ she said.

“And that’s what this is about. It’s appeasing the white guilt in this country by giving the poor little black fellas a powerless advisory body.”

She slammed patronising political leaders who are only interested “in our culture when…you want to hang a painting in your Senate office.”

The Senate voted on Monday to pass the Constitutional Alteration Bill.

The Prime Minister will now set the date for the referendum on an Indigenous voice to Parliament.

The legislation means the clock is ticking for a vote of all Australians because it must be held within two to six months of the passage of the legislation.

“Well, happy assimilation day,’’ Senator Lidia Thorpe began.

“Sovereignty has never been ceded. But for the first time in this country’s history, people are starting to talk about sovereignty.

“You won’t acknowledge sovereignty in the racist Australian Constitution.

Senator Thorpe slammed Anthony Albanese who she described as “Albo” for being gutless.

“The Prime Minister has not even got the courage to come out and say that he wants a treaty,’’ she said.

“So nice, good little Aborigines with the Parliament supremacy over us at all times well Well done. Well done. It’s a final nail in the coffin.”

Speaking in the Senate, One Nation leader Pauline Hanson said the proposal would do nothing to solve entrenched problems.

“We don’t do it these days, but some of the children should because of the sexual abuse that is happening to them, but we turn a blind eye to it,’’ Senator Hanson said.

“We keep putting back the families. But we don’t do it to non Indigenous families. We take the children away. Is that right for children? The abuse, the alcohol and drug abuse, the sexual abuse. These are young children.

“Why is it my fault because I’m white. Why is it not the community’s fault? Why are we turning a blind eye to this?”.

“Just because you got to cave paintings, and your dreamtime, and you have this connection with the land. What about my connection with this land? What about the farmers?.”

Throughout her own speech, Senator Thorpe wore a T-shirt with the slogan “Gammin”.

Senate President Sue Lines admonished her for wearing the shirt, noting that slogans cannot be worn in the chamber.

“Senator Thorpe. Please resume your seat. I asked you respectfully, in fact, I ordered you to cover your shirt because any slogans that can be read by me are inappropriate,’’ Senator Lines said.

“So please don’t also refer to it.”

“Gammin, as we know, is fake, pretend, a joke,’’ Senator Thorpe continued after covering her shirt.

“And that’s what I think. A powerless voice. We have fought over 200 years against colonisation. The constitution is an illegal document. It’s illegal.

“The occupation in this country is illegal. You’re following the King.

“And now, poor little black fellas, are begging for a seat at the table and all we get is to become advisors is no power.

“Well, I’m ashamed. I’m ashamed. That we’re not standing here for a treaty or for some truth to happen in this country.”

“You’re not genuine. You wave your flag and wear your deadly black earrings and feel real good about it. Meanwhile, our children are being tortured. Our babies are being stolen from their mother’s arms.

“Why are we begging like paupers again to go in to a white racist colonial constitution that was set up to deny everything that we are to destroy our lands and our waters to destroy everything as quickly as they could to extract as much resource from stolen land, to dispossess us and make a nice life for yourselves?

“If you are genuine, give us Senate seats here, like they do in New Zealand. Have a treaty like they do.”

Opposition Indigenous Australians spokeswoman Jacinta Nampijinpa Price said the proposal would divide Australians forever.

She asked Australians to look at the route of the government’s proposal for a voice.

“Ask themselves if they truly believe that this is the answer? Will an extra layer of bureaucracy and red tape do anything more to help Indigenous Australians?,’’ she said.

“The Prime Minister wants us to blindly trust him to allow his blank cheque – he cannot guarantee anything.”

Opposition legal affairs spokeswoman Michaelia Cash said the proposal would “destroy one of our most fundamental values – equality of citizenship”.

“It’s risky, it’s unknown, it’s divisive and it’s permanent,’’ she said.

“We are opening up a legal can of worms. The proposed model as we know it is not just to the parliament but to all areas of executive government. It gives an unlimited scope.”

You are doing well to keep down today’s lunch after reading that drivel. Again I ask, why can’t she be removed from the Senate?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 19, 2023 3:26 pm

The Irish Criminal Justice Bill purportedly targets “hate speech,”

I remember when the epileptic bean-pole, Garrett, referred to ‘Hate speech’ in one of his interviews and thought “How the hell do you define that?”

It was a while ago – so long ago that the idea saying something deliberately unpleasant being a crime still seemed ridiculous.

Now of course it has become even more ridiculous where it means holding any opinion that a protected class does not like qualifies – while this protected class does precisely the same one to everyone they don’t like.

The appetite for tyranny is always whetted and never slaked.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 19, 2023 3:27 pm

Alan Jones writes a nice one
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spectator.com.au%2F2023%2F06%2Falan-jones-albanese-in-a-mess%2F
The simple metaphor of the failure of the Albanese government, to reign in expenditure, is evidenced by the recent Budget which shows the Albanese government is hiring another 11,000 more public servants. It takes the number of bureaucrats in Canberra to a whopping 191,861.

And the Budget shows that these public servants will get a 10.5 per cent pay rise, the highest in ten years.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 19, 2023 3:28 pm

shatterzzz at 2:45 – under the common law a DPP properly fulfilling their duties to the court is more than adequate. As I expect Sofronoff will explain in due course.

Jorge
Jorge
June 19, 2023 3:29 pm

Same old Aussies, always cheating

Same old pommies, always whingeing.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 19, 2023 3:31 pm

Senator Lidia Thorpe declared that she would vote “No” to the Voice proposal before Parliament, describing it as nothing more than appeasing “white guilt”.

‘Green’ guilt, actually dear.

I feel absolutely no guilt. It is only the left that pushes the idea that we whitefellas have an original sin arising from our arrival in the Garden of Eden otherwise known as pre-settlement Australia.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
June 19, 2023 3:34 pm

Shatterzz another thing I like about the French system is the accused and the accuser have to face each other.

Muddy
Muddy
June 19, 2023 3:36 pm

Lidia Thorpe.
She’d have never been able to send a telegram, back in the day.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 19, 2023 3:36 pm

WORLD NEWS
Dutch royals pocketed €1bn from conquest and slavery
King Willem-Alexander set to apologise for historic trade that funded country’s ‘golden age’
Bruno Waterfield, Brussels
Sunday June 18 2023, 10.00pm, The Times
PATRICK VAN KATWIJK/GETTY IMAGES
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The Dutch king is expected to apologise for slavery and colonialism as official research shows that the royal House of Orange earned the equivalent of €1 billion in today’s money from the trade and colonial military conquest.

The Princes of Orange, including William III who was also the king of England, played an important role in establishing a policy of robbery, exploitation, slavery and forced labour in Asia and the Caribbean.

Willem-Alexander, the present king, will make a formal apology on Keti Koti, also known as Emancipation Day, the annual Dutch commemoration that will mark the 150th anniversary of the end of slavery on July 1.
William III, who was also the king of England, played an important role in establishing a policy of robbery, exploitation, slavery and forced labour in Asia and the Caribbean

The new study, “State and Slavery”, was commissioned by the government and presented to MPs last week.

Hanke Bruins Slot, the home affairs minister, said the findings presented a “confrontational and very painful picture” of the early Dutch state’s deep involvement in an “unprecedented scale of slave trade and slavery”. She added: “This story should have been told earlier.”

The study comes after King Charles announced in April that Buckingham Palace was co-operating with a study exploring royal links to the slave trade in the 17th and 18th centuries. The Princes of Orange established constitutional monarchy in Britain in the Glorious Revolution of 1688.

The Netherlands was one of the last countries to abolish colonial slavery in 1863 after wealth from colonies fuelled the Dutch “golden age”. Colonialism and slavery put Amsterdam at the heart of a global economic system, leading to the creation of the first modern stock exchange and multinational corporation, the Dutch East India Company (VOC). Last year the Dutch government apologised over slavery.

Esther Captain, a historian who worked on the study, said the clear linkage of the state and royal house to colonialism in the Dutch East Indies, Suriname and the Caribbean islands warranted national soul-searching.

“This shows it might be time to pluck up courage and to see if we can revise that self-image of the Netherlands as a tolerant, democratic trading nation,” she told the NPO Radio 1 broadcaster.

The research implicates William III, who ruled England, Ireland and Scotland from 1689 until his death in 1702, and his descendants in establishing the military and commercial basis for colonial slavery.

As “stadtholder”, the Princes of Orange oversaw the Dutch legislature, then known as the “states general”, and commanded the army, playing a key role in setting up the companies behind slavery, the VOC and the West India Company.

“The backing of the states general and the power policy of the stadtholder made the aggressive overseas trade policy possible,” Raymund Schutz, one of the historians who worked on the report told the newspaper Algemeen Dagblad.

Schutz estimates that William III, and his successors “earned 3.04 million guilders in colonial profits” including money from the opium trade. “By current values, that would be €545 million,” said Schutz. In addition the princes earned €502 million from their military role in the conquest and suppression in Asia and the Caribbean.

Last year the Dutch “Quote 500” rich list put the Orange-Nassau royal house as worth €1.2 billion

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 3:36 pm

“I’m here for five more years. I don’t need no one’s vote. I don’t need anyone’s white guilt,’’ she said.

Maybe, maybe not. Getting convicted for physical or verbal abuse, say outside some nightclub would render your position vacant, as would being caught with a bag full of a certain white substance. Neither of which would surprise me.

shatterzzz
June 19, 2023 3:37 pm

shatterzzz at 2:45 – under the common law a DPP properly fulfilling their duties to the court is more than adequate. As I expect Sofronoff will explain in due course.

Under the French system their judge (DPP) is in control from the start of the investigation rather than when the plod submits a brief .. he/she also has complete authority to issue search warrants/phone taps/interview, possible, witnesses ect ..
Similar to DPP but involved in every step of the investigation with override of the plod, if necessary, rather than just the court or no court end decision …….

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 3:39 pm

And besides Lidia’s use of a double-negative, I’ll be glad to quote that she “don’t need no one’s voice” at the next half Senate election.

Figures
Figures
June 19, 2023 3:40 pm

I’m here for five more years.

Not if there’s a double dissolution election.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 19, 2023 3:41 pm

Lidia Thorpe.
She’d have never been able to send a telegram, back in the day.

At puberty, given to one of the old men, in marriage, as almost his slave. If she survived having children, when he tired of her, she would have been passed on to the young men, to teach them “the facts of life.”
Left behind to die, when the tribe moved on, and she couldn’t keep up.

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 3:41 pm

**vote**!!

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 19, 2023 3:47 pm

Think I’ll rather still have the separation of powers than the French (Roman) law system. Really a matter of choice. This leaves the courts with the final minimal decision making role. Bit of tension between the fuzz and the courts is generally a good thing.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 19, 2023 3:49 pm

Not if there’s a double dissolution election.

The power of the pencil.

Speedbox
June 19, 2023 3:51 pm

Dr Faustus says:
June 19, 2023 at 2:33 pm
Every child wins a prize.

Being appointed to assorted committees is a ‘time honoured’ way to increase your pay packet in Canbra. Even a non-descript backbencher can add several (or many) thousand dollars a year to their pay by hitching their trailer to the various opportunities. The base salary of a parliamentarian is $217,060 and a loading of between 3-16% is added for each committee you Chair. Then, of course, there are assorted loadings if you are the Whip, Deputy Whip, Acting Chair, Panel Member and so on.

All those are in addition to your salary if you are a government Minister, Leader of the Opposition, Prime Minister, President of the Senate, Speaker.

Not to mention superannuation (@15.4%), electoral allowances, away from home allowance, private plated cars (or allowance in lieu), free home internet service, travel allowance (with some limitations)……

Some of these items are of small value whilst others can be very valuable indeed.

shatterzzz
June 19, 2023 3:54 pm

Gotta hand it to Lydia .. 1/16th 251 and I’m guessing never lived in a”dreamtime” community but a complete expert on the “idyllic” Brucie inspired lifestyle ..
enjoyed, like the gucci gnome, all the benefits of a “white” upbringing but from the safety of her $210K + freebies pedestal now complaining how bad she feelz ……
I’d take her a bit more seriously if she practised what she preaches and goes live in a humpty in Wadeye until the Vote is dun ……!

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 19, 2023 3:56 pm

Empty chamber as per usual. All the whores are probably at the bar billing up the taxpayer.

Malcolm Roberts:

Why the racist “Voice” will tear Australia apart

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 19, 2023 3:58 pm

No Presumption Of Innocence under the French System.
The Accused has to prove his Innocence.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 19, 2023 3:58 pm

I’m here for five more years.

Not if there’s a double dissolution election.

Tease.
People thought that about Lambie – and the Victorian wokeratii is quite as capable of gifting Thorpe to Australia.

Anyhoo, the chances of Uncle Luigi going for a DD over a blue with the Greens are slight to invisible.

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 3:58 pm

I once had an idea that for every vote a winning party receives (i.e. a party that wins at least one seat), they should given like $2 for each vote they got (I know this already happens but bear with me).

So when a party wins a seat, all of that money goes into a pool that the party itself determines what members are worth. I know there’d be politics but it does annoy me how, in WA for example, you can have an inner city, Western burb seat that’s always going to be Liberal so the MP there doesn’t have to do anything, ever, to re-elected – it just happens. Seats also still vary widely in size and numbers despite best efforts to normalise this. This means some MPs work much harder than others and this should be (to use today’s term): recognised.

It would also provide the leadership team with another way to “demote” someone without losing their seat or Ministry. Yeah, it’s an idealistic idea that’d never happen but could just imagine the popcorn!!!

Muddy
Muddy
June 19, 2023 3:58 pm

Let’s keep this simple:
The Guccidigenous desire to displace what they perceive as the present hierarchy, and take positions in that same hierarchy, where they will ‘colonise’ and exploit the lower classes, including the Best&Lessdigenous, as much, or perhaps more so, than those they replaced.

It’s a status grab.
That’s it.

They’ve walked past, and through the front window have seen the fruits of our labours, and decided “I’ll have some of that.” Skin colour and ancestry has nothing to do with it. They want something without having to work for it, and have chosen an appropriate tool to achieve the audacious theft.

zimlurog
zimlurog
June 19, 2023 3:59 pm

On the pharmacy thing – I remember hearing someone from the Qld Pharmacy Guild on the wireless a few weeks ago. One of the concerns she raised was that Australia is a relatively small market in world terms. Even now there are genuine difficulties in just getting enough of some medications into the country. So if Mr A comes in and is supplied a 6-month allocation of a particular medication, Mr B might be up that proverbial creek when he comes in to get the same medication.

It’s not that the pharmacy just needs to order more in – there simply isn’t any more to be had. The Rep on the wireless stated that inability to supply is already a problem under the current setup so upping the amount that can be dispensed will only make the supply situation worse. Sometimes there are less effective medications a Dr can substitute but that’s not always the case. Hard cheese for Mr B.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 19, 2023 4:06 pm

No Presumption Of Innocence under the French System.
The Accused has to prove his Innocence.

You really do know fvck all about the French legal system, don’t you?

Vicki
Vicki
June 19, 2023 4:07 pm

Lydia Thorpe is doing the “NO” vote a favour with her outlandish disrespect for a democratic body representing the Australian people.

Let her rave on with such malice. It is getting quite a lot of attention on TV reports. Excellent.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 19, 2023 4:09 pm

You really do know fvck all about the French legal system, don’t you?
It’s clear I know more than you, though.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 19, 2023 4:10 pm

I would take anything coming from the Pharmacy Guild of Australia with a large pinch of salt. Non prescription, of course.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 19, 2023 4:12 pm

Lydia Thorpe is doing the “NO” vote a favour with her outlandish disrespect for a democratic body representing the Australian people.

That’s completely wrong.
If you don’t know that Thorpey is championing the No Case, perhaps you shouldn’t be commenting on it.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 19, 2023 4:12 pm

An Interview with StRuth over at Quadrant
https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2023/06/the-struggles-of-an-interstate-truck-driver/
I suggested to Mr Hogg that perhaps rail could take some of the pressure off road transport. “Bloody trains,” he yelled, emitting a spray of Wild Turkey, “they’re worse than women drivers at blocking the roads.” Reinserting his false teeth, dislodged in his vehemence, he explained.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 19, 2023 4:13 pm

Groogs, I never doubted your credentials as a comparative legal scholar. Your record here needs no introduction.

Spinning Mouse
Spinning Mouse
June 19, 2023 4:14 pm

[You are doing well to keep down today’s lunch after reading that drivel. Again I ask, why can’t she be removed from the Senate?]

Why are the Liberals so excited about the removal of Van, when Thorpe is by any measure a more horrible and divisive senator?

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 4:15 pm

I really have no idea why Groogs haunts various Cat blogs accusing people of sexual harassments/abuse and their guilt. He’s never been once right before so I don’t know why he continues.

I think Einstein called that “insanity”

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 19, 2023 4:16 pm
thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 19, 2023 4:18 pm

H B Bearsays:
June 19, 2023 at 4:16 pm

No cheese snaggers, but there is a greasy box involved as well as a besmirched sTan Grant

Vicki
Vicki
June 19, 2023 4:20 pm

Let’s be honest – how many real racists are there? People who really think that people of a different skin colour or physiognomy are inherently inferior? There will be people who think the cultures that correlate with race produce people who are sub-optimal, but that is a cultural issue.

Mother Lode – that is the opinion of someone who can’t conceive of the dark places in some people’s hearts. It also does not account for truly stupid people. That is a wonderful place to be. But it does not account for those who are truly and despicably racist.

You may not have ever encountered one. I have. They are people, in my humble opinion, who have little joy in their life. It cripples their ability to see goodness and worth in others – whether of different colour, background to whatever.

However, I do agree that what a lot of people think is “racism”, is actually cultural assessment. I am as prone to “cultural assessment” as the next person.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 19, 2023 4:21 pm

It’s clear I know more than you, though.

Like the fact that the “Presumption of innocence” is enshrined in the French Constitution?

mem
mem
June 19, 2023 4:25 pm

Driving back from the city about midday heard Barnaby going full throttle on how government was exploiting farmers, rural communities and those with fixed or low incomes. He was really belting out how renewables and the relating infrastructure were wrecking rural towns, how the price of fuel was a result of the government’s stupid emissions targets etc. It was, I might say, a real ripper. I hope someone picks it up in the media and puts it on U Tube.

Vicki
Vicki
June 19, 2023 4:25 pm

If you don’t know that Thorpey is championing the No Case, perhaps you shouldn’t be commenting on it.

Of course I realise that Thorpe is rejecting the whole process because it does not concede the Treaty, Reparations and Sovereignty as people like Michael Mansell have been demanding for decades.

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 4:28 pm

So some of my nutter comrades are claiming there’s an incoming polar shift imminent… lol!!

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 19, 2023 4:29 pm

It also gives Albanese an excuse to repeat the old nonsense about “the oldest culture in existence.”

I know is beyond the current state of j’ism that stains our newspaper pages and dribbles down or TVs today, but can no one really respond to this with “aaaaaand?”

What does being old grant it? Was the cause of its longevity a good thing or a less-than-good one?

He is such a gratuitously unnecessary man.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 19, 2023 4:30 pm

This gives a few examples of the big difference in French “Napoleonic law” and common law.
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/white-collar-and-criminal-law/insight-french-criminal-procedures-surprising-features-of-a-french-trial
Criminal trials are run by judges. Before trial, the judges will have received and reviewed the entire investigative record. This is now the baseline record of the trial. This record may be full of evidence that a U.S. lawyer would immediately try to exclude, including documents such as witness interview reports that would be considered “hearsay.” But in France there are few “rules of evidence.” Criminal offenses may be proved by virtually any and all means.

A French trial is not an adversarial battle between opposing narratives, but more a judge-led inquiry that posits the question: does the record we have before us suffice to support conviction, or not?—as to which, of course, the prosecution and the defense may take different positions.

The “right to silence” is limited. During a trial, the judges usually turn to the defendant and ask for the defendant’s response to the evidence in the record. A refusal to respond will lead to a strong inference of guilt. A defendant is not, however, put under oath.

If the judges have found the evidence of guilt to be sufficient under the “innermost belief” standard they will convict, otherwise they acquit.

Plus.
http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AIAdminLawF/2001/10.pdf
The basic differences between the two systems, apart from the language used in court, are: • Who is responsible for the collection, selection and presentation of the evidence – the parties or a judge? • In the Anglo-Australian system any evidence produced in court must be tested in that court. In the French system all the collection of evidence has been performed upstream. The day in court is just a rehearsal of what has happened before.AIAL FORUM No. 29 52 The result: 7.3% acquittals before the French Assize Court; 45% before the British-English Crown Court.

Which either means it works extremely well, of a lot op people are wrongly convicted…
There is however a separation between the judge assigned to gather the evidence of the case and the one who eventually hears it.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 19, 2023 4:35 pm

I really can’t get a grip on arsing your political career on the rears of Thorpe and Stoker.
It’s hardly going out in a blaze of glory. At least ol’ Joe was gripping Eva Longoria.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 19, 2023 4:38 pm

Heaven help us people!
Thorpe is the “it could be worse” decoy.

JC
JC
June 19, 2023 4:42 pm

Mole

I’ve always thought of the French system that there is a presumption, but it’s highly conditional and it doesn’t mean what the Anglo system says.

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 4:45 pm

Hilarious!!!

An elderly woman joined a flight from Melbourne to Brisbane to go spend some days with her loved ones. Unfortunately, the route of the trip was switched, and the plane was diverted to Sydney.

The passengers weren’t excited about the change in plans, and the crew onboard tried to appease them. The flight attendant explained why the delay was happening and told the passengers that they would give them 50 minutes to walk around and get some things before they re-board.

Instantly, everyone got off the plane, and it became empty except for an elderly woman who sat by the window side at the back. A man who was leaving the aircraft noticed her sitting quietly and realized she was blind after spotting her service dog lying at her feet.

He wanted to approach her but got interrupted by the pilot’s voice and then realized that she was a regular on the flight. The pilot came to the old woman and said to her:

“Kathy, we are in Sydney for almost an hour. Would you like to get off and stretch your legs?”

The woman smiled but refused. Instead, she told the pilot to take her dog Max and help him stretch his legs. The pilot agreed and grabbed the leash of the dog before heading for the plane’s door.

As he held the dog and walked off the plane with his dark shades on, people froze in their tracks before chaos broke out. They all began to clamor to change the airline as they thought the pilot was blind

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 19, 2023 4:48 pm

JCsays:
June 19, 2023 at 4:42 pm

The second link claims there is a presumption, but its dependent on a EU court ruling.
Almost contradictory.
Rules of evidence are much looser and instead of “beyond reasonable doubt” it the magistrate (and sometimes jurors) “innermost belief of guilt” that decides it.

On one hand it probably makes for more thorough assessment of all evidence, on the other it seems it would be much easier to railroad someone.

I dont know enough to say if its better or worse, but it is very different
The article mentions it operating more like or coroners court.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 19, 2023 4:50 pm

Hi Vicki,

As I say, there are the real deal out there. And they are miserable – thinking there are people who will always be inferior to them may well give them the sense they are actually not so low because they can gal back on a schema where they are just as immutably in a higher caste.

But with the current narrative constantly alerting us to ‘White Supremacy’, which I cannot help but think Nikki was drawing upon, the actual numbers of white racists is much smaller.

Another issue for Savva is the non-Europeans who will vote against the voice. I wonder if she thinks of anyone other than Europeans as being racist.

It is perhaps analogous to the fact that the only societies being blamed for slavery are the ones who abolished it. The only people who are accused of racism are the ones who have denounced it.

And for the same reason. They managed to pry a new virtue from what had been the rule across cultures since time immemorial so only they can be accused of the corresponding vice.

Oh come on
Oh come on
June 19, 2023 4:50 pm

All the NO case needs is Lidia Thorpe on repeat.

Don’t forget a scowling Marcia Langdon promising not one more Welcome To Country if Australia votes No. That is pure gold.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 19, 2023 4:52 pm

The article mentions it operating more like or coroners court.

Military law operates on the same premise – it’s up to the person hearing the charge to prove that an offense has been committed, and the accused committed that offense.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Don’t forget a scowling Marcia Langdon promising not one more Welcome To Country if Australia votes No. That is pure gold.

Yeah, that was real “Don’t throw me in the briar patch” stuff.
Anybody not have a “wtf?” moment at that?
She actually believes denying us welcome to country ceremonies will be more than we’re prepared to stomach?

Doesn’t she mix with normies, at all?

calli
calli
June 19, 2023 4:55 pm

“I’m here for five more years. I don’t need no one’s vote.

Unrepresentative swiller swilling.

We are so blessed.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 19, 2023 4:55 pm

All the NO case needs is Lidia Thorpe on repeat.

Don’t forget a scowling Marcia Langdon promising not one more Welcome To Country if Australia votes No.

Carrot AND stick.

Lidia’s stick, and Marcia’s carrot (so to speak).

Lysander
Lysander
June 19, 2023 4:55 pm

Another issue for Savva is the non-Europeans who will vote against the voice. I wonder if she thinks of anyone other than Europeans as being racist.

I happen to know a coloured guy from Zimbabwe and another from South Africa, both migrants here. Neither of them support the Voice.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 19, 2023 4:55 pm

3.38pm
Burney compares her lifespan to colleagues while making Voice case
By Angus Thompson

Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney has put herself at the centre of the case for the Voice by comparing her own life expectancy to her colleagues.

Burney, a Wiradjuri woman, has today repeatedly referred to the lagging targets in closing the gap between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians as a key reason for why the Voice is needed.

She told parliament:

“We are elected into this place to represent everyone. And to do that is also to understand these statistics. The life expectancy gap is not on track. It is not OK that my life expectancy is eight years shorter than the deputy. It’s not OK.

It is not OK that for those of you who have children who are doing year 12, that those outcomes will not be as good for First Nations students. It is not OK that babies are born at unhealthy birth weights. That is not OK.

The fact that I visited a community last week where there were 30 people living in a two-bedroom unit is not acceptable. This is why the Voice is important. This is why it will make a practical difference on the ground.”

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