Now that’s a pantry I like, not a carrot in sight. And no refrigeration in those days either!
Now that’s a pantry I like, not a carrot in sight. And no refrigeration in those days either!
Real love and devotion to each other. We hear about the divorces and cheating of celebrities but hardly ever of…
Ants know what’s healthy and good for them.
Petrol pumping petrol when electric is out. Human ingenuity.
Thanks Tom.
Chris Kenny on Sky now talking about the dreadful poll numbers for the voice and the trend, which is all in the same direction. Then ask whether the referendum should be withdrawn. But notes that Luigi is determined.
Then Kenny said this:
‘Albanese needs to get his act together or risk going down as the prime minister who killed the voice.’
It’s not yet that advanced.
Electric Cars EXPOSED For Not Reducing CO2 Emissions
But that’s not life enhancement in terms of the definition of the word enhancement.
Sancho, there’s the beginning of the coming retribution from the media proponents.
About 600,000 urban aborigines.
US viewers watching Australian blaks rioting will be perplexed when they are told they are aborigines.
Personally I think it will be more tantrum than riot.
I don’t think “willing” will come into it. Just going on the Covid experience, do you seriously think they will stop to ask us before using us as guinea pigs for their own ascension to godly status?
JC
I think the “evil” line in transhumanism would be tied to the resources used.
Would it lead to a cap on births so Kissingers brain in a jar bot could continue to inflict his wisdom on the world more?
Scarcity first, immortality later.
You’re delusional or need cataracts removed.
That’s just hollywood gloss; the skank inside is scrambling to get out.
Startup aims to make lab-grown human eggs, transforming options for creating families
This is where things are heading folks and you will eventually be able choose all sorts of things like IQ, sporting propensity and eventually even personality.
Here’s where the problem comes up. If you choose to have a kid artificially, you will be able to offer a child IQ of 200. A natural birth would be on either side of a 100. Leaving aside looks and things of that nature. Which way would people go?
The lab kids as in Brave New World isn’t that far off. Perhaps by the end of the century.
Indolent @ 8:22
That reminded me of this
https://youtu.be/KdUgDNSwo-8
Okay, she had a bad bout of long COVID and couldn’t get to the gym for a month. Don’t hold that against her.
Now that would be absolutely evil. A self-aware brain in a jar would be worse than being imprisoned in a coffin. A human brain can’t function without a human body. You can’t separate a brain from a body as the two things are one.
Imagine the sheer terror of the situation. You can’t move, can’t see or hear and can’t express oneself. That would be hell.
transhumanism?
maybe we should quick freeze JC’s brain in a cryogenic tank … before he says something else retarded
No one would bother freezing yours, Trans.
No, you can’t, because the phrase refers to something enduring about us as creatures.
Where do I say that ‘improving’ is evil? Firstly, I said that trans isn’t improving, it’s going beyond. Secondly, I denied that you can improve the human condition not because improving is evil but because the human condition is the sine qua non of being human. Thirdly, there is nothing trans about curing cancer anymore than curing an infection is ‘trans’, nor transplantation or joint replacements.
in the future,
when he’s thawed out,
AI coded nanobots will crawl his synapses looking for a clue
It will be like watching the “Invasion Day” protests – all the fair skinned, blonde-haired, blue eyed “Aborigines” waving their “Always was, Always will be Aboriginal Land” or my favourite “Aboriginal by blood, not by choice.”
Reading about the 1967 Referendums.
The Proposal was that Australian Natives be included in the Census and the part where the Commonwealth could make Laws for all Races apart from the Aboriginal Race be deleted.
It appears that the phrase Australian Natives applied to Full Blooded Aborigines only.
Everyone else was counted in the Census.
A lotta problems were caused by that change, not least that Australian Native was subsumed under the Heading Aboriginal [or Indigenous] in the Census.
So, really, the siruation for the Australian Natives was blotted out, and that was probably intentional.
Someone earlier said there’s only 15,000 left.
For how much longer?
Improving, enhancement. They’re antonyms now are they?
Your comment is confusing. What exactly do you find evil about transhumanism. Offer a little more detail, other than word parsing, which then becomes a long discourse on the definition of “it”.
🙂
Enduring. Enduring as in a long time? If 85 is okay, why not 120. If 120 is good then why not 200?
refrigeration needed in aisle 3
Trans
You’re attempt at humor works better on a building site. It’s not that great here. You said you’re the quickest wit on a building site, so save it for the brickies.
Your…
He’s not the stupidest: the idiots who voted for the bastard are.
Labor will alwayz win in Fairfield (McMahon) cos 80% of the vote-herd don’t use English as a 1st language and 90% of those only vote cos it’s compulsory (and if it weren’t for the fine most still wouldn’t bother) so Labor blankets the area with posters and the Libs gave up any serious opposition decades ago ….
The difference with Dai Le winning Liverpool (Fowler) was the Cabramatta Viets came out and backed her …… If she hadn’t of run as an Independent Labor & KKK would have streeted it .. Cabramatta wouldn’t have dun that for any LIb ……!
Oh, FFS, did I say there would be no blowback?
There old tactical adage is “we are where we are”, meaning you can’t roll back the tape in real life and you must react to the position you are in.
So the position Elbow is in is that he has locked in the referendum for the last quarter of this year.
His options are:-
1. Recall Parliament to can the whole thing? Result – immediate and catastrophic loss of career before lunch.
2. Recall Parliament and pull the date forward? Result – accusations of panic and “not giving the Yes case enough time”?
3. Recall Parliament and push the date out to the next election? Result – accusations of losing his nerve, allowing the No case time to spread disinformation and “delaying First Nations justice”.
4. Run the referendum any time from October 7th to November 25th. Result – if it loses, Elbow will cop shit. If this runs for weeks, it could be end of career.
5. Run the referendum December 2nd or 9th (ruling out 16th and 23rd). Result – if it loses Elbow still cops shit, but the timeframe is limited to a week or so before the Christmas break. Some of the major media outlets will have already gone on a WEB. Note. There will be adverse media but it will be minimised compared with the above options.
Minimised.
Not zero. Minimised.
Did I say anywhere he wouldn’t cop a level of flak?
What I was saying was that he would consider minimising the media blowback by delaying to early December. He doesn’t care if voters get pissed off with the timing.
Most will go postal vote anyway.
It’s just the result isn’t known until polling day.
BBS
We can but hope.
today on a building site:
some hi-vis says, get the f* outta the way ladies
and mutters in passing, geez am i even allowed to say that anymore
on the way back I accused, you just assumed my gender
he goes, but you have a beard FFS
I called *them* a bigot
to be brutally honest JC, even the brickies are more thoughtful
Tim Blair:
Trans doesn’t mean improving, that is why your earlier definition is deficient but it’s inclusion of genetic engineering, cryonics, artificial intelligence (AI), and nanotechnology was instructive. Cryonics cannot improve anything, while the other three, point past augmenting human beings to transforming them into something beyond the human.
I continuously refer to ‘the human condition’ as spiritual and enduring and yet you still think what is meant is material or quantitative.
Speersy reckoned there’s a lotta Postal Votes issued that hadn’t turned up by Close of Poll Saturday.
Simple way to get out of voting .. when AEC send you a letter/fine .. claim postal & musta been lost in the mail ……
Gilas
Jul 17, 2023 6:43 PM
You are right, logically there should be a ‘downtick’ button but I’d advise against it.
It would cause some serious disconcert, if not total embarrassment for a few posters when they find out how disliked they are.
Sure you can manipulate ticks to a certain extent but you would have to be super dedicated to either hurt or please a poster. Not to mention having the time.
Just let it be as is. Being liked is good for the spirit.
Been looking at the pix of Marie Antionette and realised what was getting to me about it ..
the caption sez painted 1894 .. she was executed in october, 1893 …..
Hamilton wa sbloody quick off the mark …….. FFS!
Another tactical reason Elbow might pick a December date.
Australia referenda have a strong history of “Don’t know? Vote No” syndrome.
What better way of keeping the uncommitted (therefore likely reflexive No voters) out of the equation than offering them a choice between Christmas shopping/piss up, and standing in a polling booth queue?
He might even hint at waiving fines for not voting.
She was executed on October 16th, 1793.
Tragedy.
Giving the people what they want and not being able to take the credit for it.
And others won’t give a toss.
Personally I think there’s enough rancour here without adding more fuel to the fire via a downtick button.
#Enoughwiththetickwars.
he was executed on October 16th, 1793.
Oh dear! .. slight proof-reading problem! .. way past my bed-time, methinx, slides off stage left wiv a, sadly, whispered “Good Night” …….
We’d be like the Numenoreans in the Second Age but they were still human with the Gift of Ilúvatar. Let’s say extending life out to 200 years was possible, people would still get sick, could die of their own hand or of another, still experience ennui, and so on.
Picky, picky, what’s a hundred years between friends?
It’s your opinion that the definition in posted is deficient. The fact that you disagree doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
Instructive in terms of what exactly, that you consider these factors make transhumanism evil? If so, why?
If the head left in a freezer can be brought to life and given a body, I bet s/he would think it’s an “improvement”. Why is your opinion stronger than the frozen head coming back alive?
I don’t understand your issue with using AI and nano to prolong life and even offer eternity.
You can continuously refer to whatever you like, but you still haven’t explained what specifically consider evil. When I offer an example, you suggest you didn’t mean that. What do you mean? Is nanotech to prolong life and offer protection against diseases evil? And how about using AI to assist science in this area?
“She was executed on October 16th, 1793”
Correct. Her life is a sad story.
Dover
Let’s say a person was executed for a deadly crime. The minute after his was killed, information came out that he was innocent. Would cryonics be evil in this case?
Found on Iowahawk’s Twitter. Worth sharing, especially if your tastes align with Rabz. 😀
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F00Tq3aX0AAdZVv?format=jpg&name=large
A self-aware brain in a jar would be worse than being imprisoned in a coffin. A human brain can’t function without a human body. You can’t separate a brain from a body as the two things are one.
It worked for Dr Hfuhruhurr.
But seriously head prefect humans will have to undertake some modification to live on other planets. It’s called Pantropy. And when I set up my resort on Mars I will throw in the necessary modifications for the customers to be able to frolic in the near vacuum conditions.
up-ticks –> rancour
down-ticks –> even more rancour
makes perfect sense in a Humpty-Dumpty kind of way
Russia’s pulling out of the grain deal. Imagine today was the last straw.
We’re screwed.
If only Albo were the entire Yes campaign the source of this vociferous angst could be nipped in the bud quickly, but the rot is much wider spread. The tactic being used here is tying Albo so closely to the Wokeshevists’ ^ failing campaign that he sinks with it. On that point I have no complaint.
____
^ = h/t Professor James Allan & co-authors
General Charles Q. Brown—Too Many Red Flags
Russia has halted a wartime deal allowing Ukraine to ship grain. It’s a blow to global food security
Well, just had a telephone call with a person I hadn’t spoken to since 2006. She was always very left, very PC and very into social justice.
Not any more, she subscribes to Sky, avidly watches Sky after Dark, reads the Speccie and Quadrant, will be voting NO to da Voice, and so on.
There is hope!
Have We Forgotten the Russian Way of War?
Maxine Waters: ESG Is ‘Inevitable…We Have to Do it in Order to Save This Planet,’ ‘Everyone Is Going to Have to Participate’
We’ll see.
Australia slamming the door on lax immigration
While Navy Pushes DEI, 37% of Attack Subs Are Out of Order
Rodriguez concerto da arthinwith played by harp – the best
If you’re sick of the leftie bullshit, here’s some muzzie crap from Jihad Watch.
Nothing will minimise the blowback now. Nothing.
He’s dug a huge hole for himself.
He’s agreed to the voice’s working group demands not to alter the wording.
He’s not provided any clear understanding to the electorate about how the thing will work or that it won’t be able to take away their rights as equal citizens.
He’s had the media behind him, rubbing him up and down as “their champion of change”.
But the numbers are in the wrong direction and without him or them providing clear explanation, which if he does, it will kill it any way.
This arvo he started blaming Dutton and the Libs as well as trying to prod the voice’s advocates to get out and do more.
So, he’s now trying to shift the blame that he knows is coming.
All that adds up to no way to minimise the damage.
Btw, I’m not wishing to argue with you, but I do sense a bit of frustration coming through.
Maybe you should pour a drink and get a neck/back massage; or a hot bath, a Bex and a good lie down?
Only in your bantam head MT.
The suggestion was a few people would be downticked massuvely and find out how much they are disliked.
Apparently this would be a Good Thing.
Also to be discovered how many petty, mean and perennially nasty people here are champing at the bit to upset their blog enemies.
Pathetic.
Oooooh!
Trooble at mill!
42 years ago.
Written by Christopher Cross, Burt Bacharach, Carole Bayer Sager, and Peter Allen, “Arthur’s Theme (Best That You Can Do)” is the title theme from the1981 film Arthur starring Dudley Moore and Liza Minnelli. The song won an Oscar for Best Original Song and spent 3 weeks at #1 on the Billboard Hot 100. Peter Allen came up with the chorus lyric “When you get caught between the moon and New York City” while his plane was in a holding pattern during a night arrival at John F. Kennedy International Airport.
Christopher Cross – Arthur’s Theme (Best That You Can Do) (Official Music Video) [Remastered HD]
You seem to not grasp the difference between “zero” and “minimal” BBS.
Go for the bath.
As I have said, I know two current Rustadons who are totally committed to voting No.
and a down-tick does this how?
you and the rest of the paranoid cartel sure do have a thing for shame and disapproval don’t ya
youse really don’t get the whole psychological projection thing do youse?
It’s become clear now. Finally! Those trannies you’re constantly linking to have been modified like you, and now ready to live a blissful life on Mars as soon as Musk fires up the big bird.
Yes, yes, I get it BBS.
You want Elbow to get his comeuppance.
We all do.
But a-wishin’ and a-hopin’ for it and squawking on about it doesn’t add much to a sensible discussion of tactics Elbow might use to either maximise his chance of winning, or minimise (there’s that word again) the damage to him if it doesn’t get up.
Whether he disrupts a bit of Christmas shopping won’t rate in his top ten considerations.
Invent a better blog ticking system, and the world will beat a path to your door.
We already have downticking.
Just call everyone a mong.
mongs
The man with 2 brains was r rated?
Wouldn’t crack the Disney channel “ best kids films” for 2023.
Well, first there is all the time required to get all the people from her execution day back, then setting up truss to attach her body to so as to mimic that split second of movement on the day, and the time on the make up to make her look lifelike – all do the painting could be taken.
Brother Nathaniel refutes Jordan Peterson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJDA9lktylY
and nobody beats it like you do sancho
… not even JC
For a few moments I thought this was CGI. Not the case.
Cyberpunk 2018 TOKYO Shinjuku 4K
Sancho, he’s close to running out of tactics.
And that ain’t a-wishing and a-hoping.
For Kenny, one of the most ardent voice supporters you’ll come across, to say what he said, shows that.
Topher Field: Do you have what it takes to limit government? (35:02)
https://twitter.com/TopherField/status/1680803717837365250
On heart transplants: I remember Malcolm Muggeridge launching into Christian Barnard whose view of human beings was about the same as an ordinary butcher. I guess that’s what studies in surgery can do to you.
There is something very Mengele-like about seeing us as an assemblage of replaceable parts. That’s how we get a market in the bodies of aborted babies and executed prisoners.
Mark Dice on the B?hemian Gr?ve:
Here’s How We Know It’s Real
I gave a reason regarding its deficiency; namely that improvement isn’t going beyond.
Instructive in the sense that AI, for instance, would involve in this case attempting to supersede the brain, not merely using it as an instrument like a computer.
Upthread you suggest that a brain in a jar would be evil/ nightmarish but here a head unfrozen and brought back to life would be an ‘improvement’. Improvement in what sense?
I’ve already said that prolonging life doesn’t move us beyond the human condition so why would I think that evil?
That’s because I’m answering other questions like prolonging life is not going beyond the human.
‘Protecting against disease’, ‘prolonging life’, ‘using AI’ isn’t transhumanism. Transhumanism would be using genetics, AI, and nanotech to produce a being that was no longer human in some way or other. And that is evil in precisely the sense in which gender affirming surgery is evil.
Cash:
Cash 2.0 Great Dane at The Grove and Farmers Market in Los Angeles 50
If you’re a vile idiot you might want to trade human hearts from condemned prisoners. On the other hand, you may see a need for ethically grown replacement heart valves, eyes, kidneys and so on.
Live for 1200 years, 95% of which you are physically 25; IQ increases to 180 on average, and empathy increases: three cheers for transhumanism.
On the other hand, you can choose to go to the Island of Dr Moreau and live for another seven years as a sick freak with infected wounds and as a savage beast until your halfkin eat you as you succumb to your wounds.
It’s a self-correcting problem.
Minister for Indigenous Australians says Voice should aim to benefit Health, Education, Jobs, and Housing for Aboriginals.
Getting the kids to actually attend school regularly would go a long way to solving the other three. No InVoice required.
But you know what else school attendance induces?
Cultural integration.
How would an edifice built on segregation survive integration? I cynically suspect education would get the least priority of those four. Not that we’ll ever found out because the majority vote in December will be No.
Sancho, I have NO ongoing ‘stoush’ with Johanna.
This woman attacks me out of the blue with her repetitive tropes for no good reason.
I have no desire to engage with her whatsoever.
I am who I am, I write what I write here, and if she doesn’t like it she can scroll.
If she was to never mention my name again, I couldn’t be happier. She’s a nutjob.
They exist on the internet and I have far too little time left in my life to bother with them. You’ve done your bit over the years to have your fun at my expense, painfully for me, and I am so over it I can’t tell you. Thankfully you’ve calmed down in recent years and I can simply enjoy your humorous contributions all the more for that.
Ditch the pseudo-avuncular advice. It doesn’t suit you. It is shit-stirring in disguise.
That isn’t transhumanism. That is the Land of Cockaigne.
Nowhere is this more apparent in plain sight than with that Frankenstein gay surgeon messing around with his ‘transgendering’ scalpel on children’s genitals who was linked here and also on Outsiders on Sunday. With his pink hair, his wafting hands and inane vocalising similar to Summer Height’s Mr. Gee, he was the incarnation to me of a special sort of evil, the very mundanity of it.
Pretty damn good in my book.
Bravo.
You Only Live Twice (Cover) by James Bond Tribute Band & Concert Q The Music Show
New OT up.
I’m content with my “motherhood statement” pinched from Lewis about souls and bodies. Like most profound truths, it’s easily dismissed.
More than happy to take advantage of medical procedures that enhance mobility and reduce pain. And here I start to tiptoe through the ethical minefield. I know that experiments on animals (and sometimes humans) have been at the core of many of these advancements.
I do see a difference though between performing, say, heart surgery in utero to splicing genes into a foetus to make the resulting person some sort of “enhanced human”. One is to correct a defect, the other is to tamper with the perfectly functional.
Leftists hate humiliation far more than impoverishment. Leftists also have zero capacity for forgiveness.
You think these same people will forgive Albo when the referendum loses?
I’m at a loss in trying to understand what you consider to be evil in what is being discussed.
Okay
Deformed kids are currently being aborted en masse. We used to see gorgeous drown syndrome kids much more than we do now. You appear to be against genetic enhancement for these unborn kids? Really?
And just think that in perhaps in the not too distant future even an IQ of 130 would be considered retarded.
How about reversing aging? That’s wrong too?
Get a time machine and go pick up a random person from 200 years ago. Bring them back to the present day and ask the transportee if he thinks this is mythical land of plenty.
Hey Rosie, tried the Madrid place for the suckling pig you recommended, but it’s closed Mondays. We are back in Madrid in a week or so…will try again.
It appears to be confused thinking because on the one hand “improvement” to deter disease is okay, but it would be limited to disease defects only? Dot gave the example of 1200 IQ which you casually dismissed by suggesting it would be a mythical land.
A brain is a computer. It’s basically a pattern recognition organic instrument. It’s a good one too. especially mine. 🙂
A sentient brain sitting in a jar would be the worst imaginable prison. Brought back to life would ethically mean attaching a body to it. As I said brain and body cannot be divided.
Some of the reasons why there’s a strike in Hollywood and despite Disney being so woke and caring, they’re a horrible employer and contractor. The very worst.
https://www.westernjournal.com/knew-going-look-horrible-hollywood-employees-admit-todays-films-look-terrible/
My Columbian landlord recommended it TE, I thought it was pretty good, expensive but it seems popular enough with locals.
Don’t bother with the pyscho babble, it’s just a cover for your usual, as it has been for years.
I never said anything about “evil”. My Lewis quote was in reference to Dover’s argument about the difference between the human condition (spiritual) and human frailty (illness and ageing).
That’s a really long bow. My comment was about the in utero repair of mechanical defects. If genetic therapies can reverse Down Syndrome, it would be a benefit. However, it would have to be detected so early that I strongly doubt that every single cell in an embryo in utero could be changed. Which leaves detection in vitro, another area of contention due to “wasteage”.
What is it to be “human”? We have been asking ourselves this since we were able to look at ourselves objectively. I don’t know the answer, except with reference to my faith.
Oh, you appeared to have backed Dover’s comment that he considered transhumanism evil even though he begun to qualify his initial statement since then.
What does this mean. If you’re trying to paint lipstick on a pig , we’ll don’t. Aging is shit awful.
I appreciate the difficulty of curing some of these birth defects in the womb, but it doesn’t mean it will be impossible. Also, we’re talking essentially about a hypothetical so it’s not too far fetched to assume curing in the womb can be discounted.
Why would your reference frame change even if we were 50% implanted? You think God would love you less.
Just because one believes in God doesn’t mean we shouldn’t avoid death like the plague. Death is annihilation and there’s no coming back.