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But this one here is a sorry record of ineptitude that is truly eye watering. And still getting worse. ‘Throwing…
Cats can feel free to furnish themselves with the volumes of it and see for themselves where the census explicitly excludes full bloods and where it doesn’t –
Full Blood Aborigines were excluded from the Census.
It says so in the heaser of almost every page dealing with Non European Races.
Read your own link, you brain dead cockroach.
…obviously it wasn’t going to include ALL aborigines as the ABS, unlike today, didn’t have unlimited resources to uncover every stone across the nation.
Wrong.
The Census was forbidden by the Constitution from counting Full Blood Aborigines.
Here’s thelink to Page 903, which makes it crystal clear.
Spot on, TE!
It says so in the heaser
It says so in the Header …
STFU crotchless; just admit you’ve fu.ked up again and move on:
Race Population Percentage
European 4,402,662 98.83%
Totals, non-European 52,343 1.17%
Aboriginals (half) 10,113 0.23%
Asiatic 38,690 0.87%
Chinese 25,772 –
Hindus 3,698 –
Japanese 3,576 –
African 693 0.01%
American 89 0.00%
American Indians 51 –
West Indies (so described) 35 –
Polynesian 2,751 0.06%
Polynesians (so described) 2,197 –
Papuans 375 –
Indefinite 7 0.00%
Commonwealth 4,455,005 100.00%
Full-Aboriginal (counted separately)* 19,939 –
Totals.. 4,474,944 100.00%
Source.
Test
Nothing to do with the census, and everything to do with the “National reckoning.” Do try and keep up.
H B Bear
Jul 18, 2023 4:31 PM
… but Melbourne seems to perpetually struggle with being “a fine place for a village.
The economics of building on cow paddocks will succeed despite Chairman Dan. Give it 20 or 30 years.
Rubbish comment. Sictoria went from Joan Kirner in the early 1990s to Chairman Dan now in 2023 and from being broke then to now being broke once again. What a State to be in. A right state apparently. LOL
Thanks Cohenite, what I’ve been saying all along.
There are hundreds of tables in those volumes that specifically “exclude” or don’t exclude (by omission of the word “exclude”) aborigines.
The 1967 Referendum was for “Aborigines to be counted in the census.” They were already but not as part of the general population.
Touché.
See,
See, “other than the aboriginal race…”
That was the reason for the 1967 referendum, to allow the Commonwealth to take over Aboriginal Affairs – to make laws for them.
That was the reason for the 1967 referendum, to allow the Commonwealth to take over Aboriginal Affairs – to make laws for them.
Already read it.
The Census operated under the Laws that you refer to.
… the Aboriginal Race … onviously referred to people who were only of the Aboriginal Race.
Hence the fact that those people were not counted in the Census until ater the 1967 Referendum.
In other words, they weren’t counted because it was illegal to do so.
“Ed Case
Jul 18, 2023 4:12 PM
Well, you’ve proved yourself to be an even lower lying sacka shit than Zulu, which boggles the imagination.”
For Turd Case, a skin suit full of shit, to call someone else a “sacka shit” takes a lot of hubris.
Ed Case
Jul 18, 2023 4:35 PM
It says so in the heaser
It says so in the Header …
More typo stuff from the Head Case and a Suitable Case for Treatment. How many more cases do we need? NONE.
Well, the passion-fingered Morrison Government, of course.
Luckily Team Albanese is on the job and turning things around, toot sweet:
As of May 2023, Australia had 51 days of stock held onshore, according to the latest Australian Petroleum Statistics.
It may not look like an improvement to the untrained eye – but don’t panic.
Top men are looking after this.
Ummm, isn’t there a very good reason for that?
Ed Sock is angry
Earlier, there was a spokesperson for the Yes Case on with Clennell – don’t know her name, but a young woman.
In answer to a question about the falling poll numbers, she responded that “what is needed is a ground swell”.
If there’s no ground swell now, I can’t see it materialising now. Maybe they will have to hire/pay for them.
Its “Bidenesque”
Grogs, learn the difference between the “census” and the “National reckoning” and you won’t make such a fool of yourself on this blog.
“Neglect” is Labor’s favourite word.
Funny they didn’t use it when announcing a surplus…
So who’s a proud grandfather? My granddaughter (17) has just been offered an unconditional place for next year in the UWA Law School for a degree in politics, philosophy and economics, as well as law.
That brought back fond memories of me camping out to escape the madness as a kid.
Well done! A future Ben Wyatt in the making…. oh… lol! 😛
Congratulations to both you and the lady!
Decades of Aboriginal protection documents puts lie to “ weren’t counted”, right down to names of the elderly
https://www.findandconnect.gov.au/ref/wa/bib/WP0000024.htm
cohenite jumps into another pile on
STFU crotchless; just admit you’ve fu.ked up again and move on:
Read the next page, Doofus.
It breaks down all the Continents apart from Europe, into Racial Groups, from Asiatic Jews to Gypsies, classified under Full Blood and Half Caste and numbered.
Under the Table:
FULL BLOOD
Australian Aborigine Male Female there is
… … … …
The Header says Full Blood Aborigines excluded.
What that means isn’t that Full Blood Aborigines are counted with Half Caste Aborigines.
It means that Full Blood Aborigines weren’t counted at all, in accordance with the Constitution, as it then was [until 1967].
Congratulations to your granddaughter – and you Bruce!
In From Strength to Strength news:
Page navigation has reappeared at the top of comments, as well as bottom.
Bravo, dover’s strong right hand has the blog demons cowering in the corner. (Although IIRC, it will be Lizzie claiming the glory for this welcome innovation.)
All those programs, affirmative actions, Abstudy – they have tilted things so much in Aborigines’ it is like a dump truck. Anyone the least unwary walking down the street will suddenly find themselves in a class.
It is not working.
The solutions are not addressing any real problems – they are gears that do not attach to any wheels.
Da Voice will make such policies proliferate like algal blooms.
Da Voice won’t make things better. The dire state of affairs is precisely the reason Da Voice should be voted down.
Mong
you’ve officially become: Scrollable.
“In answer to a question about the falling poll numbers, she responded that “what is needed is a ground swell”.
If there’s no ground swell now, I can’t see it materialising now. Maybe they will have to hire/pay for them.”
BBS, we’ve seen nothing yet however I think the massive advertising blitz to come will hinder the yes campaign.
Re. the 1911 Census, research posted here today (the correct stuff) must be used to counteract the lies being spread by many screaming for the YES vote, including the gormless Minister for the Aboriginal Industry.
I will be doing my bit to wake a few people up.
Good job distributing the genes.
With any luck, in four years she’ll be on $750kpa managing the nation’s electricity market.
I rented those page numbers for Dover.
I can send them back at any time, OK?
Hey Cohenite,
This:
doesn’t occur at the 1911 Census Link.
In other words, you just made it up.
Lysander,
Thank you for the link to a specific page, thank you for taking the time, appreciated.
Impressive work by the census collectors.
I remember how much the story charmed everyone at the time. I really enjoyed the book.
Here is the thing: it was a story. A literary construction by a good storyteller and writer.
It wasn’t ‘how people were’ either in 1929 or 1974, it was a great story of how we would like to be, having fun and doing cool stuff.
But you know, in hindsight I am happy to pretend our lives had many things in common with that derring-do of the kids, and the approval of their adults for various forms of that derring-do.
Lizzie mentioned before it an Angela’s Ashes type book would sell.
The answer is not just yes, but hell yes.
My ex was an avid reader of what I called “ misery novels”, mummy sold my ring piece for a cup of soup/ I was molested in the womb/ everyone in my family was mad/poor/ druggie/ dead/ pimp/ prostitute etc.
It’s a thriving niche and Its fans seek it out like the crack fox seeking its next hit.
Few tips
Sepia toned innocent kid photo on the front
A “ horror quote” along the lines of and that’s when daddy stabbed me.
A few reviews on the back like “ treatment so vile it curled my nose hairs, I was physically sick for 3 days after reading just one chapter10/10, would read again”
Once you know the format of these books they are very noticeable in blocks in the bookshops
I will be doing my bit to wake a few people up.
How?
You’re so low I.Q. that you couln’t even work out that Full Blood Aborigines weren’t counted in the Census until 1971.
Who would take any notice of anything you said?
The Header says Full Blood Aborigines excluded.
What that means isn’t that Full Blood Aborigines are counted with Half Caste Aborigines.
It means that Full Blood Aborigines weren’t counted at all, in accordance with the Constitution, as it then was [until 1967].
They were excluded from other groups including half castes; they had their own full blood category and the total was:
Full-Aboriginal (counted separately)* 19,939 –
The table I put up was from the 1911 census.
Further to the word exclusion which dolts like crotchless jump on to prove that 3rd nations were not counted until 1967 and I quote professor Helen Irving:
Following the 1967 referendum, section 127 of the Constitution was removed. This section said: In reckoning the numbers of the people of the Commonwealth, or of a State or other part of the Commonwealth, aboriginal natives shall not be counted.
It is a common myth that the section excluded Aboriginal people from being counted in the census, and that the 1967 referendum meant that they would henceforth be counted. It did not. The Aboriginal people have always been counted, from the very first Commonwealth census in 1911. In fact, census statistics specifically recorded the populations of Aboriginal Australians. “Half-blood” Aborigines were considered to be white and were included in the general census.
The purpose of section 127 (admittedly, not obvious from its words) was to guide the calculation of the numbers of parliamentary representatives per State and also to determine certain State financial entitlements and obligations, based on State populations. When these calculations were made, the numbers of Aboriginal people, as counted, were excluded.
Now, really crotchless, STFU.
Good job distributing the genes.
With any luck, in four years she’ll be on $750kpa managing the nation’s electricity market.
In four years time, there will not be an Electricity Market.
Maman
Jul 18, 2023 5:17 PM
Impressive work from Lysander. Thank you.
The lesson learned here seems to be:
If you’re lying about something day in, day out, like Zulu was with his insistence that Full Blood Aborigines were counted in the 1911 Census, don’t post a link if you hope to keep getting away with it.
Bottom Line:
There are more ALP Shills on this site than I could have imagined.
Thanks, cohenite. It’s been rather a pleasant afternoon, watching Grogarly slowly disappearing up his own rectum.
jukka?
Ed Mong cites document to categorically disprove the point he is trying to make.
Aborigines were always included in the census.
The numbers were not allowed to be used for calculation of senate seats.
Chris, yes, it is a story; and a depiction of something that many would’ve liked to have done as kids. But the idea of it, of kids sailing; erecting a tent, making a fire and cooking sausages, is not outlandish.
On Lake Macquarie, here, kids are taught to sail in boats of similar size to the ones in the film. I’m sure there would be many places all over the country that do the same.
While scouts and guides learn some of that other stuff (and more).
But what we see from the story is that combination of kids being given freedom to do things, though with reasonable boundaries so that they are not put at real risk, and kids being (mostly) responsible – while on their way to growing up well.
Duncanm croaks:
Aborigines were always included in the census.
The numbers were not allowed to be used for calculation of senate seats.
Complete rubbish.
The Census was Constitutionally barred from counting Full Blood Aborigines until after the 1967 Referendum.
That’s it.
Lie-sander has lied his guts out supporting Zulu that all Aborigines were counted in the Census.
Quite a few others have grabbed that TarBaby too, now including duncanm.
Why would that be, duncanm?
They were included if they were able to be counted but were listed separately for statistical purposes.
No probs Cats. Its evidently there in black and white (excuse the pun) for all to see. Cohenite, good find on Professor Irving.
“Prof” Mong’s account is ahistorical misinformation.
The purpose of section 127 (admittedly, not obvious from its words) was to guide the calculation of the numbers of parliamentary representatives per State and also to determine certain State financial entitlements and obligations, based on State populations.
Agreed.
When these calculations were made, the numbers of Aboriginal people, as counted, were excluded.
That could only have been Half Caste Aborigines, since Full Blood Aborigines weren’t counted at all.
Ed – please explain page 2054 of Volume III – Part XIV of the 1911 census.
.. and just in case Ed can’t read.
Don’t know whether someone has mentioned this previously, but my understanding was that the aborigines were excluded from the senate allocation count because being nomadic it was unclear at any point in time just which state they were in.
I think this was explained on the Old Catallaxy.
I understand that at Federation, there was concern that some states and territories may try to stack their numbers with fictitious people (uncountable Aborigines)
They were included if they were able to be counted but were listed separately for statistical purposes.
Got a figure and a page number from, This Link, have you, Roger?
JMH
Jul 18, 2023 10:01 AM
Blackout Bowen is the most obnoxious, dangerous thing to ever (dis)grace Parliament. This country cannot survive without reliable energy. Without industry and manufacturing, we are a 3rd world nation. A country reliant on imports!
And we all know that. So what are you going to do about it? Keep talking or doing something?
Background on the original exclusion here:
https://www.monash.edu/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/573143/08_Taylor-1.pdf
One of the problems that led to s.127 – repealed after the 1967 referendum – was that as the full blooded aboriginals were itinerant they wandered over state boundaries. The reasoning was that therefore they shouldn’t be included in census derived political or financial calculations. This is why they were counted but tallied separately.
We have to remember that state populations were much smaller at federation.
You can read the Federation papers online (https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Records_of_the_Australasian_Federal_Conventions_of_the_1890s) and while we didn’t have a US-styled revolution, you can’t say it was all “beer and skittles” between each of the groups/colonies and there was a lot of distrust amongst these groups and in and aMONGst of themselves. Damn, why is there always a Mong? 😛
How’s the weather in Peshawar, Ed?
A tad hot, I expect.
.. and just in case Ed can’t read.
2.-FULL-BLOODED AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINALS ENUMERATED IN THE SEVERAL STATES
AND TERRITORIES OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA
At the Census of 3rd April, 1911
Got a page no. reference for that ‘statement’, duncanm?
Here’s the Link, just point us to a page, old timer?
No you haven’t, because you’re a lyin’ liar.
And here’s Prof. Greg Taylor’s 2016 paper that discusses s.127 and the original rationales for it in great detail.
Another special day on the NSW south coast. A visit to Shell harbour. I was expecting an oil refinery but instead a wonderful marina excavated out of an old swamp and rubbish tip. A beautiful entrance to Jarvis Bay.
We went on a whale watching cruise and managed to see 10 ( or the same two , five times)
The whales were a bit spooked because there was a predator about and had possibly killed a baby whale
Snap!
Great minds, duncan 😀
Interesting story at the wallpaper shop.
Did we meet a shy No or a genuine Don’t Know?
Won’t bother telling you.
Forty upticks on Johanna’s last piece of self-righteousness now.
I am not inclined to believe you JC when you tell me these are fake.
These remain for all time on this site against my name and I think it is disgusting.
Johnny Rotten
Jul 18, 2023 5:49 PM
JMH
Jul 18, 2023 10:01 AM
Blackout Bowen is the most obnoxious, dangerous thing to ever (dis)grace Parliament. This country cannot survive without reliable energy. Without industry and manufacturing, we are a 3rd world nation. A country reliant on imports!
What are you doing about it, Johno? Come on – let us know.
The reasoning was that therefore they shouldn’t be included in census derived political or financial calculations.
That’s always sounded like a self serving argument and likely untrue.
This is why they were counted but tallied separately.
Can you point to evidence of those ‘separate Tallies’, Roger?
Or is it ‘Secret Squirrel’?
Ed states he couldn’t have IMAGINED there were so many Labor shills here.
The key word being imagined.
In addition to my post above directed at Mr. Rotten. I will be exercising Civil Disobedience at every available opportunity! Just so you know, Johnny.
Don’t know whether someone has mentioned this previously, but my understanding was that the aborigines were excluded from the senate allocation count because being nomadic it was unclear at any point in time just which state they were in.
Huh?
All States had the same number of Senators, from 1/1/1901.
You sit at the board and suddenly your heart leaps. Your hand trembles to pick up the piece and move it. But what chess teaches you is that you must sit there calmly and think about whether it’s really a good idea and whether there are other, better ideas.
– Stanley Kubrick
Hello? I need your help!” The 911 operator responds, “Alright, what is it?” The boy says, “Two girls are fighting over me!” The operator answers, “So what’s your emergency?” The boy replies, “The ugly one is winning.”
Sure, Ed.
p.2054 is the one you want.
You’re welcome.
Now go away.
The uncounted indigenes issue pithily explained in a Peter O’Brien piece just published at Quadrant:
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/the-voice/2023/07/the-case-for-a-mentoring-paternalism/
Section 127 was in the original Constitution but repealed as a result of the 1967 referendum. It said: “In reckoning the numbers of people of the Commonwealth, or of a State or other part of the Commonwealth, aboriginal natives shall not be counted.” This might seem to the casual eye to be confirmation of Burney’s claim but, on a closer look, it does not mention the census. It has long been shown by scholars such as Geoffrey Sawyer and John La Nauze that, rather than instructing census takers, Section 127 was designed to prevent states — especially Queensland and Western Australia, which in 1901 were still partly unexplored — from using estimates of uncounted Aborigines in their remote regions to boost their population statistics and thus give themselves additional MPs in the lower house of parliament.
Moreover, in a recent article in The Australian, Professor Geoffrey Blainey provided convincing evidence that Aborigines were counted in the Commonwealth census right from 1911 and ever since. They were also accounted for in the annual reports of the Aboriginal affairs departments of the individual states, which, up until 1967, were exclusively responsible for Aboriginal welfare. Aborigines were always counted as people of Australia.
It is true that the demographic data contained in the census report of 1911 specifically state that its data are ‘excluding of full-blood Aborigines’, as does every census up to 1967. However, the 1911 census recorded a total of 10,113 ‘half caste Aborigines’ and they were included in the demographic data. As they have been ever since.
Bruce O’Newk, congratulations to your granddaughter- UWA is me ol’ alma mater, even though I didn’t technically graduate. Or literally graduate, either come to think of it.
Uni has moved on a bit from the shame of rejecting Bjorn Lomborg’s CCC because of climate wrongthink- get a portrait pic in from of the bust of Socrates outside the undercroft. And don’t be a stranger of you pop over at any time.
Why is there always a Mong?
Because you clowns keep replying to him
I ask any other woman here, would you put up with it without complaint? I’m damned sure you would not. I am not a teenager for some stalker to upbraided for things I haven’t done or for things I am not, for ways I comment or for desiring to contribute in a friendly way, no more than anyone else here does. It is perfectly appropriate for me to use the ‘I’ word in this regard, so shut the f*ck up anyone who wishes to say it isn’t.
I will continue to come in here as and when I like and to tell people who regard me as some sort of narcissistic terror or juvenile attention seeker to take a good look at the nose ring in their nose they are being led by. I have had a difficult start in life, a very long and useful life, many trials, a few misfortunes and plenty of optimism, and there are things I have to say and share in this fractured world that are, or should be, of interest to many on a blog like this. I am neither an entitled teal nor any sort of saint, just someone trying to do her best.
Your behaviour here with regard to a serious stalker has pulled me down so far that sometimes I simply don’t want to get up again. Nothing else in life so far has ever done that to me, so congratulations on your perspicacious humanity.
Some of you will be dancing with glee at the thought of that.
I’ll tell you what, some of you are worse than the left, and believe me, I have worked and dealt with a lot of the left in a lifetime.
More Ed fun:
Ah, no. Wrong.
The term has never, ever been discontinued. If you went outside once in a while or west of Joe Burns’ house you may have realised this before.
You’re welcome.
I do hope his Doverlordship has exhausted his flirtation with 100-comment pages. I seem to spend a significant amount of my blog day changing pages — and scrolling past trolls — without any net benefit or increase in blog speed.
Please return us to 250-comment pages ASAP, Doverlord!
From the Contents page of the 1911 Census, here are the only references to
Full-blood, under the heading OCCUPATIONS
#1. 93. Commonwealth of Australia.-Full-blood and Half-caste Males of Non-European Race enumerated in
the several States and Territories at the Census of 3rd April, 1911, Classified according to Occupation 1038
#2. 94 Commonwealth of Australia.-Full-blood Females of Non-European Race enumerated in the several
States and Territories at the Census of 3rd April, 1911, Classified according to Occupation .. 1039
#3. 95 Commonwealth of Australia.-Half-caste Females of Non-European Race enumerated in the several
States and Territories at the Census of 3rd April, 1911, Classified according to Occupation .. 1040
#4. 96 Commonwealth of Australia.-Full-blood and Half-caste Females of Non-European Race enumerated in
the several States and Territories at the Census of 3rd April, 1911, Classified according to Occupation 1041
None of these mention Full-Blood Aborigines, except to state in the header that they are excluded.
Some are saying they were still counted, but can’t point to where.
But parliament could make laws changing the basis of representation, say, on the basis of population. This was much discussed in the lead up to federation.
I hope you’re paying attention, Ed.
I doubt anyone would know if you didn’t tell them.
God! A number of people have confirmed ages ago that ticks can be gamed. I think some avenues for that disappeared through various iterations of the blog, but I don’t doubt anyone with a VPN could do it.
It’s not really on a billboard in Times Square. With all due respect to this blog, Open Thread comments are ephemera … veritable fish and chip wrapper.
Ignoring it would be an excellent tactic.
What’s worse than a Lefty with Righty experience and tactics?
A Righty with Lefty experience and tactics.
Quote: Lysander, 2023.
100 comments/page is working very well, the issue of the last 10 or 15 on the immediate previous page getting lost for a while seems to have subsided.
Normally, yes.
But this is important stuff in the present context.
And it provides useful information for others to use in their contexts as the Voice discussion picks up once the referendum date is announced.
Always good to refresh memories, Roger
Thanks guys. Nomadic, small populations.
A story from Federation – great grandfather was a publican on south coast. When Parkes was touring the country spruiking Federation, he stayed at the establishment.
A toast was proposed by the very supporting host who supplied special champagne glasses for the occasion. One remains in the family to this day.
Wally – Credit goes to Bruce in WA, not me, for his fine granddaughter!
None of my birdies have graduated from university, although there was much hide-and-seek today as three sets of magpie parents were trying to evict seven kiddies from the Cafe, so they can have space for the new season editions. I had young magpies whimpering, and cringing and hiding under bushes. Sad, but part of life. I talked with my old mum on phone today, she observed that we humans are having a lot of problems evicting the kids lately too. The magpie younguns though may well find other Cafes, which will set them for life, and make their new head waiters happy.
Did law at UWA but didn’t really practice. It’s a good general undergraduate but picking up articles was problematic if you wanted to go on and practice. No idea what it’s like now.
Liz
Why not? I explained to you that there’s 100% evidence upticks are gamed. But believe what you like. I was trying to be helpful and you now accuse me of lying. Jeez, you are in a foul mood.
Liz, on a more serious note. I met an Irish dude by the name of “Oliver” while I was in Portugal. He owned/founded a medical insurance business in Ireland and sold out a few years ago. He told me he knows a few Irish guys residing in Sydney mentioning the eastern burbs. He also went to Cambridge. Really nice dude.
Stop obsessing over this stoush and go ask hubby if he knows him. Oliver! Don’t forget.
Dinner beckons…
Lancashire hot pot accompanied with a Shiraz-Cabernet.
Lizzie, don’t pay much mind to upticks.
BBC going for broke on the heatwave. “Exceptional Heat” in Las Vegas.
I’m about to go out into the deadly stuff – currently 27C, possibly up to 33C here in the Dordogne.
I would prefer your “thoughts and prayers” for our car pickup though. The Beloved has charged the TomTom, set it for Europe and is now repeating the mantra…loooong left, short right….loooong left, short right. 🙂
I believe Ransome wrote the stories, inspired by the activities of real children in the Lake District.
IIRC, the actual names of the progenitors of the various characters in the books were known during their lifetimes and they attracted some publicity.
They might have been the children of an English family with connections to the Oil activites in Persia.
This might seem to the casual eye to be confirmation of Burney’s claim but, on a closer look, it does not mention the census …
Aboriginal natives clearly means Full-blood Aborigines.
That’s clear from the 1911 Census, which states that Full-bloods are excluded, and provides no numbers, but numbers the Half-caste Aborigines along with the Full-bloods and Half-castes from all other Non European Races.
Linda Burney’s claim could still be true for a Full-blood grandparent or Great Grandprent of hers alive in 1911, though I doubt there were many Full-blood Aborigines left in NSW in 1911.
Another attack on the Kerch bridge, this time by sea drone, maybe, but one with a heck of a payload. Early speculation by Scott Ritter and Mike Mihajlovic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7THZKtvLOE
There’s no point in trying to get through to the old gal. She’s freaking obsessed with these freaking upticks.
Crotchless is in full bot mode. In 1911 there were 19,939 full blooded 3rd nations. Today there are about 8 million fu.kwits in Australia which means there are eight million fu.kwit’s stories in Australia; crotchless’s has been one of them.
Sancho, I don’t believe the gaming hypothesis. Some of it, perhaps, not all of it.
There is a narrative here about me that the stalker both created and is capitalising upon. It’s easy if the object of the stalking is comfortably off and her life current life stories depict this, and more so if you can depict her childhood and early adult struggles as a pity-play, dismissed as an Angela’s Ashes. Especially if you are holed up in a motel (albeit forgotten that it is with your house-sale money in the bank) and everyone feels a bit sorry for lonely old you.
If this is ‘gaming’ then who is doing it? If people here sincerely believe that I am a bit of a flake and a nuisance, that’s fine, just say so and I’ll scroll on by. It’s the stalking that is getting to me It starts with a comment with an endless narrative-forming repetition of the same old tropes and memes. Tell the lie long enough and often enough and the narrative begins. Oh yes, give it a tick, we hate that, the effing fool she is, etc. etc. And the underhand – the undertoad – that is pushing the upticks along.
I just want it to STOP. The stalking, and then the narrative upticking.
How could anyone survive such terrible heat?
Only time I’ve visited the UK, in 1993, it was 30 C for the whole three weeks I was there. The locals were melting but I thought it was wonderful. CO2 was much lower 30 years ago so it must’ve been due to something else.
Voetsek
But this is important stuff in the present context.
And it provides useful information for others to use in their contexts as the Voice discussion picks up once the referendum date is announced.
Well, the lie that Full-blood Aborigines were counted in the 1911 Census has been disproved.
I wonder how many more lies are being promoted by dodgy commenters to Gaslight the No case?
Neil Oliver: “Fear-mongering” over high temperatures is an ‘incessant attempt to keep us frightened’
cohenite
Jul 18, 2023 6:47 PM
Crotchless is in full bot mode. In 1911 there were 19,939 full blooded 3rd nations.
You’ve pulled that 19,939 number outta your fat arse.
They weren’t counted in 1911.
I wish it were not so, JC.
You are a kind old soul yourself though to me. I appreciate that. xxx
It’s the old gal’s eighty first birthday in five hours, so I think I’ll start the celebrations now with a wee drop. Calm me down a bit. Family wanted a leeetle party but I haven’t really wanted that after all the fuss at eighty last year. Hairy will take me out to dinner and that’ll be wonderful.
Liz, just go ask hubby if he knows the dude. He’s recently divorced from an extremely hot Brazilian gal (I’m told).
‘ “Half-blood” Aborigines were considered to be white and were included in the general census.’
Imagine the horror were such a principle to be enunciated now. Just like that, the task of “closing the gap” would become manageable.
Then go off-line Lizzie, you precious petal. FFS.
You’ve pulled that 19,939 number outta your fat arse.
My arse is not fat crotchless and you’re right, the 19,939 refers to the number of brain cells between your rabbit ears.
Hey Upspoke, you’re multi-lingual now? A linguist? You’ve come a long way.
giyn
Anthony Albanese slams ‘nonsense’ No campaign’s claims every detail must be known before Indigenous Voice to Parliament referendum
I’ve read the No Case fairly thoroughly. Unless I’ve missed something, it does not argue, or even imply that:
– Every detail must be known. All it says is:
… functionally critically important, hardly “every detail“.
– The Voice has a “right to veto”.
– The Voice is binding on Parliament.
If I didn’t know better, I’d be tempted to believe that Uncle Luigi is a dissembling liar, making shit up.
That’s a lot right?
Lol! The Mong convinces itself that “it wins” lol! Disproved where? Roger and many others have provided links to actual tables that have actual aboriginal (yes, full blood!) stats, which in itself is pretty sad given you deliberately shifted your “argument” (if you could call it that) from 10.54am this morning “Aborigines were excluded from the referendum” which is a very broad and dumb thing to say.
Then you changed your toon around 4pm to, oh no look, “full blood” and then links have still been provided and you “win?” RFLMAO!!!!
(There’s a book on sale at Big W you should look into and give M0nty a call after you’ve read it)
I scrub up alright still as a taking-out proposition. There is that.
I have a new sky-blue jumper ready for the occasion to match me eyes.
Picking up on something to look forward to.
*hand to fevered brow*
Tomorrow is another day. Me birfday!
Except it’s not tomorrow I just realised. It’s on Thursday. 20th July 1942.
On this same day in 1944 Von Stauffenberg nearly blew up Hitler.
How many lives could have been saved if he’d been successful, one hopes anyway.
Johnny Rotten
Jul 18, 2023 6:06 PM
You sit at the board and suddenly your heart leaps. Your hand trembles to pick up the piece and move it. But what chess teaches you is that you must sit there calmly and think about whether it’s really a good idea and whether there are other, better ideas.
– Stanley Kubrick
So, Mrs Stencho Pantyhose. Who has been mis quoted here in your simple mind? Stanley?
Just in case anyone missed it, JPMorgan reported quarter 2 results last Friday They made US$14.5 billion net income. It means they’re averaging US$160 million per day. Just amazing.
Lysander
Jul 18, 2023 4:44 PM
Thanks Cohenite, what I’ve been saying all along.
He made the figure up
There are hundreds of tables in those volumes that specifically “exclude” or don’t exclude (by omission of the word “exclude”) aborigines.
All Tables under the heading Full-blood Aborigines display … … , meaning they weren’t counted [or excluded] as explained at the top of every relevant page.
The 1967 Referendum was for “Aborigines to be counted in the census.” They were already but not as part of the general population.
No, it was for Australian Natives to be counted in the Census.
These were the Full-bloods that weren’t counted at the 1911 Census or any of the other Censuses.
**excluded from the census** 😛
…
Anthony Albanese has insisted Australians don’t need to know every detail of the Voice to Parliament before they vote on it in the upcoming referendum.
Really? In which case, Tennis Elbow, please sign this blank cheque that I now have with not very much detail on it at all. Reserve Bank, here I come.
You T.W.A.T.
I’ve never understood the pain and suffering not being counted on the census has or is causing to some original owners. I’ve only succeeded a few times, but I’ve always tried to avoid filling in a census as I find it troubling giving info to the government.
Well, I’m having Yorkshire pudding with Tempranillo.
(Eyes narrow)
You got a problem with that?
That’s a lot right?
The average brain has 86 billion neurons and 85 billion nonneuronal cells. You obviously have more; I just estimated the number crotchless has based on a 5.25″ floppy drive locked in repeat error mode.
Tom. No. You can feck off. And take your uptickers with you. How about you uptickers now put your names to a list so I know who you are?
I am staying here till I feel better not crawling like some wounded animal into a hole.
Kick me some more, calling me a ‘precious petal’.
Utter tosh Mong. There are some tables at ABS 1911 census that note “exclude full blood” and there are others that don’t have that note (why?) AND there are tables that say “full blood.” Cohenite (nor Roger or many others who’ve slammed dunked you this arvo) have made up anything. Your the one talking about “imagination.”
It’s not my problem if you can’t read, I guess the recommendation of that BigW book for you is useless (but you can learn from the pictures I guess, good luck with that).
Regards for the evening,
Lysander
(your “ALP shill” lol, fark you’re an idiot)
Uncle Buck is on in a few minutes.
Firstly, stalking. What on earth are you talking about?
Secondly, upticking (narrative or otherwise). The reality is, the more you whinge about it, the worse it will get.
Ignore it.
I have to cheat on something. I promised a couple of pals I’d bring them a bottle of port from the Doura Valley Portugal. I couldn’t be f…ed traipsing bottles around. Can someone suggest a decent bottle? Is Cockburn’s okay? I’ll buy the crap locally and pretend I hauled it over. I know, but I’m the one forking out for the stuff.
Liz, stop obsessing over this bullshit and go ask hubby if he knows Olie.
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Followed by Animal House.
Both movies an excellent antidote for what “ails ye”.
A televisual feast. Great stuff.
local oaf
Track down the book Arthur Ransome and Captain Flint’s Trunk, which identifies most of the children, and many of the actual locations.
Four of the books (Coot Club, The Big Six, Secret Water and We Didn’t Mean to Go to Sea) were set in or near the Norfolk Broads.
McWilliams Port is the only port I’ve ever gone near JC… didn’t like it much 😛
Hey, at least it’s not a trannie, but it’ll get there eventually.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/golden-bachelor-abc-senior-spinoff-1235537941/amp/
These studios are absolutely rooted. Murdoch did an amazing deal selling out those media assets to Disney for US$71 billion.
kief.
Yeah, but that’s not from Portugal, I suspect. I gotta buy something with a distinctive Portuguese brand so i can get away with it.
Here JC… try this one:
https://www.danmurphys.com.au/product/DM_121763/kopke-colheita-1981-port
(Certainly waaaaay outta my pay grade!!!)
Bastards!!! No Uncle Buck! Fecking Fokkers instead.
Forget the inVoice and child grooming at BigW… this country has gone to the dogs!
Lysander, no, I’m not spending 250 bucks a bottle on these hedgehogs.
For some reason I keep hearing another Voice in my head.
The Voice of Joh Bjelke Petersen when confronted with an awkward question:-
“Don’t you worry about that!”
Spurs are on soon and Aussie Ange is talking now in Perf’
Get the Fonseca then JC, $60 a bottle
COYS !!!!!!
I’ve gotta run but, JC, D Murphy’s actually stock quite a broad range of Portuguese ports – just google “Dan Murphys Portuguese port” and you’ll get a whole bunch of hits.
Port LOL.
Saw my old man after a few formal dinners after that. Sozzled to say was an understatement, best one was him & another Viet Vet mate sound asleep in Mess Dress on loungeroom floor with mum deliberately vacuuming around the at 7am the next morning.
or this one in Prahran
JC:
JC, me too. Once I had an official turn up to see if anyone lives in our house because we didn’t fill it in. I just said we were away. Now, it particularly bothers me since they introduced having names recorded.
Okay thanks Lysander, Rosie.
I have to check if the bottle doesn’t have markings that it was imported to Australia. They do sometimes I think.
“Lysander
Jul 18, 2023 7:33 PM
Bastards!!! No Uncle Buck! Fecking Fokkers instead.
Forget the inVoice and child grooming at BigW… this country has gone to the dogs!”
Lysander, you get it too! 😀
Lie-Sander squeaks:
Disproved where? Roger and many others have provided links to actual tables that have actual aboriginal (yes, full blood!) stats,
The Stats for Full-blood aboprigines in the 1911 Census state … … , meaning they weren’t counted.
Neither Roger nor anyone else has supplied any Tables or Links, they can’t, because there are no Stats on Full-blood Aborigines in the 1911 Census.
which in itself is pretty sad given you deliberately shifted your “argument” (if you could call it that) from 10.54am this morning “Aborigines were excluded from the referendum” which is a very broad and dumb thing to say.
Here’s my comment from 10.54 am this morning:
Ed Case
Jul 18, 2023 10:54 AM
Australian Natives were not counted in the Census prior to the 1967 Referendum.
After that, the Aboriginal Category was created, which was self identifying, so the issue of the Australian Natives being counted still wasn’t addressed.
For reference, here’s my previous comment from 10.29 am:
Ed Case
Jul 18, 2023 10:29 AM [replies to]
The “Yes” pamphlet contains the same old malarkey about the 1967 referendum allowing Aborigines to be counted in the census “The same as everybody else.”
Ed Case replies:
It isn’t ‘malarkey’.
The confusion arises from Mixed Race people being able to self identify as Aboriginal since the 1971 Census.
Prior to the 1967 Referendum, mixed Race people were counted as ‘Australians’.
Aborigines, then known as Australian Natives, weren’t counted.
So, in a sense, Linda Burney is right.
Prior to 1967, she wasn’t counted as a Native Australian, because she isn’t one.
Sancho, there is a long, long history, way before your time, of Johanna constantly stalking and then doxxing me. When she came in this time it was straight on with the stalking memes, the ones she always uses to drum up an uptick of fury against me, that I’m narcissistic, attention-seeking, that I lie and that I am all manner of ridiculous things. It is a created narrative and it has happened so many times before. I have every right to be sick of it and to regard it as a failure of this blog that it hasn’t in some way been at least recognised; instead it has been encouraged.
Now Tom joins the pile on. At least he puts his name to it, although it disappoints me that he flares in such a manner to me; I have had a lot of respect for you Tom over the years. I know that I am both upset and angry at the moment, but ‘precious petal’ just continues with the narrative. How I’m feeling now and making it known is the result of many years of suffering pile-ons here which destroy for me any pleasure I may take from just mooseying along here and, I hope, being a bit contributory too. The stalking, for that is definitely what it is, my husband has no doubt about that, he thinks she’s a prime nutjob, has been like a sword of Damocles over my head, it falls in unexpected ways, although any mention of my childhood, which as an older woman I think of more these days, certainly seems to bring the righteous fire of stalking retribution to the fore.
Naturally, Sancho, my objections will make it worse. It’s a Catch 22 for me.
I’ve recognised that for a long time now, and guys, I’m beyond caring now.
Do your worst. When Tom came in, for a moment I felt KO’d. For a moment.
Jaysus! When did that happen? The last I heard it was 11 billion neurons, half of which were granule cells in the cerebellum.
An entrepreneur to the connoisseurs brought out a late-night port in the 1980’s simply labelled … F-ckin’ Good Port
Great find Rosie. Thanks
Who are you anyway, Tom? Perhaps not a question I should ask, but I do wonder.
Mmmyes.
The back label will probably be in Engrish.
With standard drinks and all that.
Kitchen blowtorch should sort that out.
Anthony Albanese has insisted Australians don’t need to know every detail of the Voice to Parliament before they vote on it in the upcoming referendum.
Those words are so good and supportive when you think of being inclusive, diverse, democratic and normal? You don’t need to know what you are voting for. LOL. FFS.
And the vote is therefore a Great Big NO.
Yeah , I thought of that Sanchez. I have to check the label.
My Dad has a magnificent port that he’s been blending for decades. It’s in a small wine barrel, which came from All Saints at Rutherglen. He has no idea what’s in it, but the flavour is unbelievable.
Recently, he asked me what I would especially like when it’s his turn to meet his Maker, and I replied, the port.
“why do you CARe so much??”
Bar Beach Swimmer
Jul 18, 2023 11:46 AM
See the movie Swallows and Amazons, which was made in 1974, but is set in 1929, to see kids doing stuff for themselves in the outdoors. If you don’t know the story, there’s six kids, 2 boys and 4 girls – two lots of siblings – who are aged from around 9 to 13.
I remember reading the book the movie (I didn’t even know there was a movie made…Ill have to look it up) was based on while at school. The author wrote a series of books about the kids.
I quite liked them.
I’ve never understood the pain and suffering not being counted on the census has or is causing to some original owners.
It’s a fake issue Linda Burney brought up, by saying that until she was 10 [1967], Aborigines weren’t counted in the Census.
Now, it depends on your definition of ‘aborigines’.
Full-blood Aborigines [defined in The Constitution as Australian Natives weren’t counted in the Census and Federal Parliament was not allowed to make any Laws regarding them [though the States could and did. Some claim the Queensland Act of 1897 was the model for South Africa’s Apartheid Laws].
Part Aborigines [defined as Half-castes in the Census] had the same Rights as anyone else, in theory, and were counted in the first Census, along with all other Races.
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If you get caught faking it, say your wife bought some wine for family which put your combined total over your Customs limit and they made you bin some of it.
Wifey wouldn’t sacrifice her wine so the Porto had to go-go.
Head prefect, ask crotchless what he is drinking: it turns full bloods into no bloods but maintains the colour and nose.
JC,
You’re gonna get caught, if they are of a mind. All sorts of traps for young players, including but not limited to, labels, “export only” brands and goodness knows what else.
You have only one safe choice, I think.
Admit your “sin” (covered with appropriate amounts of, errm, explanation) and buy them a very good bottle of – ostentatiously – non-Portuguese port.
Jaysus! Cohenite is right. Twenty years and the count jumps near on an order of magnitude. Come in John H. Over.
I rarely comment here any more, Lizzie, but I do follow.
You’ve now invited other women who follow and post on this blog – be careful what you wish for! Here’s my response, and you can like it or not as you see fit, and if you decide I’m one of the up-tickers of the Nemesis you seem so obsessed about, well that’s your problem, not mine.
I recollect that this morning, unprovoked by any previous post I could see, you posted something to the effect that shortly no doubt Johanna would be along to post something derogatory about you.
You actually provoke responses – quite unnecessarily.
Until, or unless, you realise that you are your own worst enemy in this respect you are going to suffer whatever agonies you seem to over a few up-ticks on someone else’s posts, and a lack of the same on your own.
This is a publicly visible blog, available to anyone who cares to stumble across it. Different people have different opinions and ideas, like different things, find some people boring, annoying, distasteful, ridiculous, hilarious or whatever.
If you’re so concerned about what people here think of you, perhaps you should consider starting your own blog, where you can blather on about whatever you like, can ban anyone you don’t like and just have a jolly grand old time. You could even award yourself umpteen up-ticks a dozen times a day if you wanted to.
You asked what other women think about the situation; well we don’t all consider you the be-all and end-all of anything. You’re just another person who posts here, and your agonies over some up-ticks and some pointed comments are, frankly, as boring as batshit (although admittedly sometimes hilarious in their vapidity.) I’m not “dancing with glee” at whatever someone has posted that’s upset you today. All I can see is just another self-inflicted Lizzie rant that contributes zip.
Basically, Lizzie, get over yourself, it’s just a blog – and it doesn’t belong to you.
Beertruk,
Swallows and Amazons is on rotation on World Movies. You should be able to see it on SBS on demand.
Linda Burney is a stupid person who is too dumb to be a Minister.
Albanese has put her forward anyway, presumably hoping that people will feel sorry for her and vote Yes.
Making fun of her claim that Aborigines weren’t counted in the Census is cruel and doesn’t help the No Case at all.
Dignity: priceless.
So they have to have an Abbo get together in Perf’ for a football game between two English football teams?
This Country is now well and truly farked
Only 26 comments to page turn Tom.
23 now.
Sorry, I’ve burnt another one.
Down to 22.
Porgia, I just had a look; unfortunately it’s the remake.
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Basically, Lizzie, get over yourself, it’s just a blog – and it doesn’t belong to you.
Exactly. So tell Jerk Off Cretin and others as well then. FFS.
Sorry to read that Swimmer.
Sorry to read that Swimmer. It may be on you tube.
Mark from Melbourne
Jul 18, 2023 7:57 PM
JC,
Exactly, I would just say we were over the weight limit.
The difference is only in the label anyway, wouldn’t even try to muck about with them.
Ah, port Hairy knows the right way to pass that and told me, but I forget now.
There is so much to forget.
My first husband and I enjoyed Lacrima Christi port on our honeymoon in Portuguese Timor in early 1969. It was the only alcohol apart from Palm Araki you could buy. We got it from the only, very dusty, Chinese store, which catered for doleful-faced young and lonely Portuguese soldiers on national service, who were interested in this new world of ‘ippies. We caught the TAA flight from Darwin, which we did on the edge of a cyclone coming in. Landing in Baucau on a WW2 airstrip in a small Fokker Friendship, we went to the only guesthouse, whitewashed Portuguese style, in this rather small Indonesian style village, where women washed clothes in the stream running through it. At dinner were the Australian consul and various hippies who had also flown in. Some hippies in those days had money. The best man at our wedding in Darwin, a tall blonde rugby-player, arrived to join us at the airport in a torn shirt and shorts holding half a flagon of wine. He seemed very drunken and was not allowed on the flight. His passport said he was an Investment Banker, but in the words of a song I like, its photograph ‘showed a face, from another time and place, he looked nothing like that’. He bore the name of a famous South African family. Our other witness was a travelling Quaker who asked me to not marry my husband but come instead with him to Communist China, entering illegally on a secret Quaker network and having thus a tale to tell. I managed to say no to that, for love was a commitment already made. We had met them both two days before at the Don, a blood and thunder aboriginal pub that was an icon of Darwin at the time and which served as our ‘wedding breakfast’ venue. Like our marriage, it later burned down.
What odds Martin Armstrong ends up back inside, Wodney?
I hear he misses the shower action.
2 c.ts, susie o’brien and some slag from the abc called yumi (FFS) stynes are all in favour of Big W’s new sex book for kids which is as x-rated as it comes and has all the trannie BS in it as well.
Porgia, I just had a look; unfortunately it’s the remake.
Looked it up, one movie was made in 1974 and a remake in 2016.
Yes, SBS has the remake.
I don’t have much faith in remakes.
Good news!. Uncle Buck is on tomorrow night. I was looking at the wrong day in the guide. yay.
No it hasn’t, you f*cking twat. See table two on page 2054 of the linked PDF (or page six of the 244 page document) – get your carer to read the title of the table to you – it is:
“Full blooded Australian Aboriginals Enumerated in the Several States and Territories of the Commonwealth of Australia At the census of 3rd April 1911.”
19,939 were counted across the six states and two territories. However, not all “Full blooded Australian Aboriginals” in the country were counted, I’ll concede.
There is a note below the aforementioned table two that reads:
“The full blooded Australian Aboriginals included in the above Table represent only those who were in the employ of whites at the date of the Census, or were living in a civilised or semi-civilised condition in the vicinity of settlements of whites at that date. An enumeration of Aboriginals living in a purely wild state was not undertaken.”
So which is it, Eddles? 19,939 full blooded aboriginals were counted in the 1911 census, or none at all?
BTW, don’t think too hard about it, you might have an embolism.
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Cohenite, Stynes is one of the authors of that book.
Hairy’s just come into my study. He’s just read it all, back thread. Do what JC does, he says. Be very rude indeed and tell them all just to feck off and leave you alone and then carry on as usual. He sees my face, and says gently, only if that’s what you want to do. That place is no good for you.
He’s right, but when it’s good it is still good, I reply.
Anyway, I will write myself out of this mood and cheer myself up.
Youse can all get fecked you ring-nosed malevolent mindless moron mouth-breathing misogynistic Damoclean-dystopian Dionysian-dribbling dickless-upticking ones.
Hairy once bought me a diamond snowflake on chain. It’s tough and never melts.
So much for Tom’s precious petals. Do it in diamonds, baby.
“I don’t have much faith in remakes”
Beertruk, neither do I.
A movie to look for on SBS on demand, is Heidi. It is a German version and was made about ten years ago. It is wonderful. It is sub-titled, but very easy to follow. The child playing Heidi is spell binding. And of course, the Swiss country side is to die for.
Grandfather is a definite find as a character actor. I was extremely impressed with the actress who portrayed Grandmother. The boy who played Peter the Goatherd was an ugly, troll like little beasty boy. I love this film.
Many years ago when I was still reading the Hun, Susie O’Brien’s commentary occasionally made sense.
However at one point about 10-15 years ago she went all woke even before it became fashionable.
I am not at all surprised she is a self-loathing feminist and, trannie-lover.
We’ll take that as a comment, as Snowcone used to say.
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