Open Thread – Tues 18 July 2023


The Fall of the Rebel Angels. Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1562

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Johnny Rotten
July 18, 2023 8:50 pm

Youse can all get fecked you ring-nosed malevolent mindless moron mouth-breathing misogynistic Damoclean-dystopian Dionysian-dribbling dickless-upticking ones.

Yes and well said on Mrs Stencho Pantyhose’s recent pathetic posts.

Pogria
Pogria
July 18, 2023 8:53 pm

Lee,
Julie Burchill has coined the name “Transmaids” for women like Susie O’Brien. The tranny equivalent of Fag-Hag.

miltonf
miltonf
July 18, 2023 8:54 pm

Never liked Woolworths having had the misfortune to work with them in the 90s. Even more despicable now and Coles is catching up. I wonder if Coles will plumb the depths BigW has. Of course BigW specializes in cheap crap.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 18, 2023 8:55 pm

Well this won’t lead to much strife I predict confidently!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/07/refusing-fund-spouse-partners-transition-domestic-abuse-cps/

Refusing to let your meth mouth ex cut your sons balls off will be domestic abuse.
Awesome.
I’m sure no chaps will rather see the ex in the ground than see that happen.

Gabor
Gabor
July 18, 2023 8:56 pm

I must have missed a chapter in “How to make friends”.
One learns something every day.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 18, 2023 8:58 pm

Beer truck

But only look at the earlier version of Swallows and Amazons. The recent one is rubbish.

Pogria
Pogria
July 18, 2023 8:59 pm

Rabz,
re your comment on Ed’s exploding head if he keeps on with his fairy stories, something like this, I reckon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI3NoBeNwfk
😀

Speedbox
July 18, 2023 9:02 pm

I need to vent.

Cats may recall about 3 weeks ago I mentioned that my youngest daughter was starting distance education even though we live in metropolitan Brisbane. There are a number of reasons for the change but the primary reason is that Miss Speedbox is an elite athlete. The rationale was that distance education was portable and would allow her to train and compete, both here and overseas, whilst still maintaining her educational requirements.

She has already competed (won or placed) in overseas events in her chosen sport and has won or placed in a substantial number of events in several States of Australia. Although she is naturally gifted in her sporting ability she also trains 25+ hours per week. Yet she only recently turned 13 years old.

One of our grand plans was for the 2026 Commonwealth Games. Although she had to achieve a high place in the selection process, her coach and ourselves were positioning her training regimen and competition schedule here and overseas for the next 2-3 years towards that end. It was highly likely she would have gained selection to the Commonwealth Games team. (she was selected for the national team earlier this year.)

Now, that Commonwealth Games goal is sunk and I am disappointed for her. But, I will also say how sad and angry I feel for the thousands of other athletes in the Commonwealth who train just as hard and have looked forward to a genuine life achievement. Forsaking many of the ‘luxuries’ of their pre-teen and teen years in pursuit of a sporting achievement. And this is a sport that his a ‘lifespan’. By your early/mid twenties, you’re getting too old to compete on the world stage. That means that for some, this Commonwealth Games would have been the last chance for international level competition.

I cannot express my feelings of bitterness and utter contempt for Daniel Andrews. If I said what I really thought…….I can’t.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 18, 2023 9:04 pm

Many years ago when I was still reading the Hun, Susie O’Brien’s commentary occasionally made sense.

However at one point about 10-15 years ago she went all woke even before it became fashionable.

She is weird.
I remember her once devoting an entire article to how distraught her 8 y.o. son was because he had copped an overdue library fine.
The thing is, how come the kid thought it was a big deal?
Mummy having a total hissy-fit, that’s how come.
Instead of saying, “Hey, it’s no biggie. You really should return stuff on time, but we’ll sort it out.”
But no.
She’s gone on about the oppression of minors by Big Library, to the point where the kid was scared shitless.
On top of everything, the kid’s father was an AFL umpire.
What hope has the kid got?

calli
calli
July 18, 2023 9:27 pm

I imagine Sydney still has all the necessary infrastructure to hold a Commonwealth Games. Also suspect many…many cronies have received front loading money prior to the announcement.

The Dreadful Heat here is a summer day back home. Wear a hat, stick to the shade, enjoy the absence of mozzies and flies as you eat al fresco.

Killed a couple of hours before the taxi takes us to the airport car yard. The covered market is open this morning. Tiny, but all the good things represented – fruit & veg, breads, cheese, fish, and magical duck products. Tiny sweet melons, great red ox heart tomatoes, those funny flat and fragrant lunchbox peaches.

Alamak!
Alamak!
July 18, 2023 9:31 pm

I need to vent.

Its good to get it out of your system … and then find a new goal for your talented offspring to replace what Dan has snatched away.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 18, 2023 9:38 pm

Speedbox.
It is shitty.
Of course, the Stand Wif Dan brigade are out in force today.
“Ooooh, it’s the fiscally responsible thing to do.”
The justification is that the original cost of $2.6 bn has blown out to $6-$7 bn within 12 months.
Now, one or both of those estimates was hopelessly inaccurate.
Here’s the thing.
Jacinta Allen (2-I-C) says they are still building all the facilities and infrastructure for $2 bn. So what is the extra $4-$5 bn for?
Jacinta Everywhere also claimed it was “too hard” to hold the games in Melbourne using existing infrastructure (as against the original plan of regional cities). Apparently all stadiums are booked solid four years ahead.
Yeah, sure.
They could run the games between Grand Final day and Cup Day with s.f.a. disruption to other sports.
There is something else going on.
Mind you, I don’t think we should be holding the games anyway.
But it is a travesty to can them twelve months after signing up.

Indolent
Indolent
July 18, 2023 9:38 pm
cohenite
July 18, 2023 9:41 pm

dover0beach
Jul 18, 2023 8:37 PM
Cohenite, Stynes is one of the authors of that book.

In the old days of public stonings and burning of witches at the stake Yumi would be well done and well bruised.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 18, 2023 9:47 pm

Speedy – The Games will be held, just not in Yarragrad.

You may need to prepare for travel expenses though.

Best wishes for Ms Speedy in her chosen sport!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 18, 2023 9:49 pm

Bruce of Newcastle

Jul 18, 2023 9:47 PM

Speedy – The Games will be held, just not in Yarragrad.

You sure about that?
Melbourne was the only “bidder” for 2026.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 18, 2023 9:54 pm

Which leads us to more spin.
Victoria apparently “won the right” to hold the Comm Games.
Today Hunchback says “we were approached and took it on to help out the Comm Games Federation.”
Huh? We are throwing taxpayers money at “helping out” some failing sports organisation overseas.
And now we hear there is a break fee.
So we have someone begging us to take it on, but then leave onerous break fees in the contract?
FMD.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 18, 2023 9:57 pm

The only chance I see of the Comm Games going ahead now is in India, and maybe it is pushed back to 2027.

Beertruk
Beertruk
July 18, 2023 10:02 pm

Pogria, I haven’t seen Heidi or read the book. When a movie comes out based on a book, I like to read the book before seeing the movie. On the other hand, sometimes I will watch the credits at the end of a movie I liked to see if it is based on a book.
I did read a lot of Enid Blyton books in primary school. Secret Seven and Famous Five.
A bit of nostalgia has ‘kicked in.’ 😉

Bushkid
Bushkid
July 18, 2023 10:11 pm

Anyway, I will write myself out of this mood and cheer myself up.
Youse can all get fecked you ring-nosed malevolent mindless moron mouth-breathing misogynistic Damoclean-dystopian Dionysian-dribbling dickless-upticking ones.

Descending to abuse, lizzie. Tut-tut!

Seriously, the whole eternally-running obsessively self-victimised posture over the comments of one person and some up-ticks on a blog is pathetic. You’d do yourself a great deal of good if you really did just get over yourself and start you own blog, even if it did only have an audience of one.

It’s apparently your birthday tomorrow or something. Why not shut down the computer, give Hairy a hug, pour yourself a G&T or make a cocoa or whatever, put on some music and do a slow waltz around the lounge, or just sit down and talk about something nice and forget about bloody up-ticks and how you let one person on a blog get under your skin. Let yourself get in the mood for a nice day tomorrow. Chill out, FFS.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 18, 2023 10:11 pm

Watched La Vie En Rose on SBS. What a magnificent movie. Marion Cotillard as Piaf so good.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
July 18, 2023 10:15 pm

Andrews – student union s wet dream to sabotage comm games.
He really wants to insult the English and he bang on about the republic.
Next will be some idiot reproachment to China.
He really is spotty in real life

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
July 18, 2023 10:15 pm

Andrews – student union s wet dream to sabotage comm games.
He really wants to insult the English and he bang on about the republic.
Next will be some idiot reproachment to China.
He really is spotty in real life

Speedbox
July 18, 2023 10:17 pm

BoN – I hope so but am not so sure. Time is very short for anybody else to step up. Daniels may well have stuffed it entirely for 2026.

Pogria
Pogria
July 18, 2023 10:19 pm

Beertruk,
I have the complete collections of the Famous Five and the Secret Seven.
I fervently hope nobody ever tries to make a series or such like of the books. If you recall in the Famous Five, George was actually a girl but refused to acknowledge the fact. It is ready made for pushing the tranny credo.

Beertruk
Beertruk
July 18, 2023 10:22 pm

Boambee John
Jul 18, 2023 8:58 PM
Beer truck

But only look at the earlier version of Swallows and Amazons. The recent one is rubbish.

Matey, I would have thought as much. I am taking it that they crammed as much ‘virtue signalling’ into the remake that they could.

Pogria
Pogria
July 18, 2023 10:35 pm

Linda Burney’s mood enhancer of choice is doing her no favours. She gave a Press Club speech where she stated the NO Campaign was being “Runned” by a group called Fair Australia. She was cheered. sigh… Michael Smith has the story.

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/07/pretend-impartial-press-pack-gives-linda-burney-a-standing-ovation-for-press-club-yes-speech.html#comments

Beertruk
Beertruk
July 18, 2023 10:36 pm

Pogria, It would be truely disgusting if anyone did/attempted that. I am now just thinking that I might go to the libary and have a look to see if any Eynid Blyton books are there. I think from memory a few of the leftard brains trust were having a whinge about here books.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 18, 2023 10:41 pm

If you’re so concerned about what people here think of you, perhaps you should consider starting your own blog, where you can blather on about whatever you like, can ban anyone you don’t like and just have a jolly grand old time. You could even award yourself umpteen up-ticks a dozen times a day if you wanted to.

You asked what other women think about the situation; well we don’t all consider you the be-all and end-all of anything. You’re just another person who posts here, and your agonies over some up-ticks and some pointed comments are, frankly, as boring as batshit (although admittedly sometimes hilarious in their vapidity.) I’m not “dancing with glee” at whatever someone has posted that’s upset you today. All I can see is just another self-inflicted Lizzie rant that contributes zip.

Basically, Lizzie, get over yourself, it’s just a blog – and it doesn’t belong to you.

Bushkid, thank you for your frankness. I disagree, but appreciate your comments. I don’t want my ‘own blog’. I have no desire to be some horrid sort of online influencer or to garner ‘followers’. I don’t, I hope, ‘blather’, write meaningless nonsense, nor desire approving upticks of my comments as you seem to suggest I might. Largely I am happy with the few friends I have here who like what I write. I do think however that constant huge numbers of upticks to a known stalker trying to cause trouble are a problem for me. They are distressing, and unnecessary, and most unwelcoming.

I didn’t ask how other women felt about me, I asked how other women would like a denigrating stalker to make libellous comments about them, and have these comments upticked by a large number of people who come here to this public forum.

Let me give you an example, and it is certainly NOT what I think about you:

“Bushkid me me me and me again, is a lying paranoid slob, a trannie fantasist who steals horses and farts in bed, who doesn’t know her arse from elbow, a narcissist thief who thinks gracing the blog with her attention-seeking comments is the essence of commenting, always moaning about her dead husband’.

Upticks 40

Offensive in the extreme, and completely untruthful, isn’t it?

I do not think you would like it, so I hope you can appreciate that when something like that full of memes and tropes that have no basis in reality happens to me on a constant multi-year basis, at any time of any day or night, about nothing, I don’t like it either. I regret if I seem to you to be ‘hilarious’ in my ‘vapidity’. That’s your opinion and of course you are free to hold and make it. Opinions are not lies or falsehoods although they may attach to them. Also, I admit to getting terse recently when making a comment about something in my life and then, feeling it was the sort of thing that would bring down the hydra hell sword, saying pace (quieten down) to that Banchee and that I was getting my retaliation in first. I am only human after all.

Of course it’s just a blog and I certainly don’t own or run it. I simply want to be left to comment on it politely and well.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 18, 2023 10:42 pm

Survivor calls for serial rapist Warren Ugle to remain in jail after prosecutors didn’t oppose his release
Syan VallanceThe West Australian
Tue, 18 July 2023 5:47PM

A notorious rapist might soon be freed again and at the top of the queue for public housing.

Warren John Ugle is a serial rapist that has been in and out of jail since 1992 and may soon be freed again as prosecutors didn’t oppose his release.

Ugle’s sexual offending streches back more than three decades — one victim was just 11-years-old.

He was released from jail in 2015 under a stringent supervision order but after repeated breaches he was sent back to prison indefinitely.

His potential release was up for review on Tuesday and for the first time this wasn’t opposed by prosecutors as long as there was a strict supervision order.

The Supreme Court heard he’s “learned his lesson”, will engage in psych treatment, and is almost at the front of the queue for public housing.

The decision has outraged one of his victims, Angela Johnston, who told 7News that the decision “brings everything back”.

Ugle attacked Ms Johnston while she slept in her Collie home 15 years ago — forcing her to move thousands of kilometres away but she’s still scared.

“I’ll never feel safe again,” she said as she became emotional.

“He’ll breach. I can guarantee you”.

She has spoken to the Attorney General and plans to talk to the commissioner for victims of crime in a bid to keep him in jail.

“He’s given us all life sentences,” she said.

Ugle’s case was adjourned until the end of the month for time to find suitable accommodation.

The judge told Ugle that was good news for him but was clear she hadn’t made a decision yet.

Pogria
Pogria
July 18, 2023 10:44 pm

Liz Storer, Caleb and the other bloke were talking about this story from The US this evening. The US is an absolute farce.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/17/23797379/mali-ml-typo-us-military-emails-leak

And, this went on for ten years!

rickw
rickw
July 18, 2023 10:44 pm

Today Hunchback says “we were approached and took it on to help out the Comm Games Federation.”

The Bat Eared Mong doing what he does best, lying.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 18, 2023 10:46 pm

… getting my retaliation in first …

There’s your problem, right there.

Pogria
Pogria
July 18, 2023 10:49 pm

Beertruk,
yes, the woke brigade attacked Noddy and Big Ears, and have pretty much made owning, selling or simply displaying Golliwogs a crime.

Beertruk
Beertruk
July 18, 2023 10:50 pm

A notorious rapist might soon be freed again and at the top of the queue for public housing.

How the bloody hell does that work?

rickw
rickw
July 18, 2023 10:53 pm

How the bloody hell does that work?

Mongstralia.

Indolent
Indolent
July 18, 2023 10:53 pm
Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 18, 2023 10:55 pm

These f*ckers can do what they want with no regulatory oversight. What can go wrong?

The HighWire with Del Bigtree: Jaxxen Report.

A new era of genetically modified foods using CRISPR technologies are hitting a grocery store shelf near you. Watch to hear Jefferey’s in-depth reporting of this new genetically modified food, which regulators do not feel necessary to regulate, as new science is showing that this new technology may cause major problems.

CRISPR ENGINEERED FOODS COMING TO A STORE NEAR YOU

Dot
Dot
July 18, 2023 11:02 pm

Explain to me why CRISPR modified food would necessarily be bad for my health.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 18, 2023 11:02 pm

Genome editing.

“Life, uhh, finds a way.”

Jurassic Park 3D Movie CLIP – Life Finds a Way (1993)

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 18, 2023 11:02 pm

I have the complete collections of the Famous Five and the Secret Seven.
I fervently hope nobody ever tries to make a series or such like of the books. If you recall in the Famous Five, George was actually a girl but refused to acknowledge the fact. It is ready made for pushing the tranny credo.

Yes, the tranny mob need to be kept well away from Blyton’s The Famous Five. Sadly, I fear they may already have their paws on it. Can recall reading something about that, but didn’t note down where.

George was a terrific archetype for the boisterous and ‘tomboy’ girl. My sister, two years older and both bossy and extremely competent, was a George fan. She could use a sewing machine and crochet anything into dollies clothes – for me. I was a ballet mad kid, dancing even before I took lessons and I put to be each night as many dollies as I could make from whatever was around, as well as leaving my prized ‘proper’ doll Rosemary in charge of getting them all to sleep. I loved pretending to be Anne and in charge of the picnic and just a little bit scared, leaving the dangerous stuff to Julian and Dick to sort out first, with George. Women aren’t all from the same mould, apart from our xx basis.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 18, 2023 11:10 pm

Youse can all get fecked you ring-nosed malevolent mindless moron mouth-breathing misogynistic Damoclean-dystopian Dionysian-dribbling dickless-upticking ones

Sounds like a pile-on.

Hang on:

misogynistic

What?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 18, 2023 11:10 pm

Anyway, “Sliante.”

Point regarding the issue of Aborigines being counted in the census – or not, one of the Indigenous rights websites was beating the big drum. “How would you feel, if you lived in a country, which didn’t feel enough about you, to count you in the population. How would you feel about that?”

Dot
Dot
July 18, 2023 11:11 pm

Genome editing.

So what?

Feed dogs salmon only for decades in a breeding programme and it is likely to trigger and change in the genome.

“Jurassic Park” isn’t an answer.

I’m open-minded about this but if you think genome editing is necessarily bad and Jurassic Park is a reasonable answer, I’m not sure you can point out where the risk to my health is.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 18, 2023 11:13 pm

Dot
Jul 18, 2023 11:02 PM
Explain to me why CRISPR modified food would necessarily be bad for my health.

Explain how it would be good with no adequate testing done? It’s Russian Roulette at this stage. Same with the mosquitoes.

Let’s just use the populace as guinea pigs, again … much like the C-19 jabs.

Bruce in WA
July 18, 2023 11:17 pm

Bloody Bruce Pascoe and “Dark Emu” on ABC TV right now. FMD! Someone pass me a house brick, will you!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 18, 2023 11:20 pm

Bloody Bruce Pascoe and “Dark Emu” on ABC TV right now.

I refuse to submit my eyeballs to that rubbish.

Alamak!
Alamak!
July 18, 2023 11:21 pm

on criticism:

“It never ceases to amaze me: we all love ourselves more than other people, but care more about their opinion than our own”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 18, 2023 11:22 pm

ring-nosed malevolent mindless moron mouth-breathing misogynistic Damoclean-dystopian Dionysian-dribbling dickless-upticking ones

I think I can work that into the next Census form as my occupation.
It probably won’t be an option I can just uptick so I’ll have to enter it under “Other – please specify” I suppose.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 18, 2023 11:24 pm

Not CRISPR.
I think it is CRI-6PR.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 18, 2023 11:24 pm

… getting my retaliation in first …

There’s your problem, right there.

One gets an occasional defensive reflex, Sancho.

Perfectly normal. And very rare.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 18, 2023 11:27 pm

Bloody Bruce Pascoe and “Dark Emu” on ABC TV right now. FMD!

I’ve seen the withering contempt of those, with genuine Aboriginal ancestry, for those “faux Aborigines.” How Bruce Paxton gets away with it, I don’t know!

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
July 18, 2023 11:27 pm

“How would you feel, if you lived in a country, which didn’t feel enough about you, to count you in the population. How would you feel about that?”

I’d be quite pleased. I don’t want to live in a country that has feelings about me, one way or another. I’d prefer to be ignored altogether by the state.
Anyone who wants the state to love them and care for them has serious daddy issues.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 18, 2023 11:29 pm

I’m going to bed. I have to get to a dance class early tomorrow.

I trust Tom’s gone to bed.

Speedbox, Hairy sends his best wishes to your daughter, and hopes that the West Australians can come to the rescue. He is, like you, knows what it is like to have a sporting and competitive daughter, and is disgusted at Dan Andrews.

Pogria
Pogria
July 18, 2023 11:31 pm

Lizzie,
I was more like your sister, except for the bossy bit. Second last of the siblings, too many older ones ready and willing to boss me. As early as I can remember, I preferred outdoor pursuits. Being horse mad helped, so boy’s clothes were all I ever wanted.
At the same time though, like your sister, I could sew, knit and crochet. Mad keen on make up as well. On the rare occasion I would say, “I wish I were a boy”, it was only in the context of not being able to take woodwork and metalwork as electives at school at the time. I didn’t really want to be a boy.
I was fortunate though that my father taught me how to change and or repair the tube in a bicycle tyre, use a lawn mower etc. I have never been afraid of operating machinery and even taught myself to drive and use a tractor.

Horses for courses. We seemed to have more freedom to be what we wanted to be decades ago. Now, it’s strictly in the box we have chosen for you.

Dot
Dot
July 18, 2023 11:37 pm

Food has been GMO for a long while now.

Why is CRISPR as the method to make food GMO a problem?

MatrixTransform
July 18, 2023 11:43 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 18, 2023 11:43 pm

It’s apparently your birthday tomorrow or something. Why not shut down the computer, give Hairy a hug, pour yourself a G&T or make a cocoa or whatever, put on some music and do a slow waltz around the lounge, or just sit down and talk about something nice

Just seen your kind thoughts here, Bushkid. I hope all is well with you and your life and why not come in here more often? I’m pleased to say that what you suggest is what we do all the time, not just on my birthday, which is Thursday, not tomorrow (my mistake). And while I’m finished now, I’ve made it quite clear now, I hope, that I won’t simply sit still, be told to leave (thank you, but no thanks, Tom) while being further insulted. I will not be driven off here and while I won’t follow Hairy’s advice and hit back as he’d like, or leave altogether, I’ll stay the course each and every time it happens. Should it ever happen again.

Dot
Dot
July 18, 2023 11:48 pm

Forgive my ignorance.

Apparently, gene editing is not the same as genetic modification.

https://allianceforscience.org/blog/2022/05/gmos-and-gene-editing-whats-the-difference/

Gene editing isn’t as powerful a tool as people think. It is just another tool we have at our disposal.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgeed.2021.817279/full

Non-GM Genome Editing Approaches in Crops

CRISPR/Cas-based genome editing technologies have the potential to fast-track large-scale crop breeding programs. However, the rigid cell wall limits the delivery of CRISPR/Cas components into plant cells, decreasing genome editing efficiency. Established methods, such as Agrobacterium tumefaciens-mediated or biolistic transformation have been used to integrate genetic cassettes containing CRISPR components into the plant genome. Although efficient, these methods pose several problems, including 1) The transformation process requires laborious and time-consuming tissue culture and regeneration steps; 2) many crop species and elite varieties are recalcitrant to transformation; 3) The segregation of transgenes in vegetatively propagated or highly heterozygous crops, such as pineapple, is either difficult or impossible; and 4) The production of a genetically modified first generation can lead to public controversy and onerous government regulations. The development of transgene-free genome editing technologies can address many problems associated with transgenic-based approaches. Transgene-free genome editing have been achieved through the delivery of preassembled CRISPR/Cas ribonucleoproteins, although its application is limited. The use of viral vectors for delivery of CRISPR/Cas components has recently emerged as a powerful alternative but it requires further exploration. In this review, we discuss the different strategies, principles, applications, and future directions of transgene-free genome editing methods.

There’s more on the differences:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211912418300877

CRISPR versus GMOs: Public acceptance and valuation

Glyphosate is any herbicidally effective form of N-phosphonomethylglycine. In short, glyphosate inhibits the enzyme 5-enolpyruvylshikimate-3-phosphate synthase (EPSPS) from converting acids essential to the biosynthesis of vital plant compounds (Barry et al., 1997), thus killing the plant. Glyphosate tolerance was first identified in the 1980s through the genetic engineering of plants to produce more EPSPS in the chloroplast of plant cells (Kishore and Shah, 1988, Shah et al., 1986). By inserting a wild variant of the enzyme, the plant produces 40–80 times more EPSPS to generate resistance to the effects of glyphosate, which would otherwise kill the plant (Kishore and Shah, 1988). On the other hand, CRISPR-derived glyphosate resistance differs from its transgenic GM counterpart described above in that no foreign DNA (e.g., wild variant of the EPSPS) remains in the host plant. Instead, scientists use CRISPR technology to identify intrinsic plant DNA sequences that can generate the same results as the GM counterpart (Li et al., 2012; Li et al., 2016; Huang et al., 2016)—in this case glyphosate resistance through increased production of EPSPS within the chloroplasts.

So “franken foods” would be no more.

Dot
Dot
July 18, 2023 11:50 pm

Err, could be no more:

Established methods, such as Agrobacterium tumefaciens-mediated or biolistic transformation have been used to integrate genetic cassettes containing CRISPR components into the plant genome.

Hmmmm

On the other hand, CRISPR-derived glyphosate resistance differs from its transgenic GM counterpart described above in that no foreign DNA (e.g., wild variant of the EPSPS) remains in the host plant.

Not all CRISPRs are equal.

Dot
Dot
July 18, 2023 11:52 pm

Yes, I see why it is necessary to downvote links to CRISPR-related articles.

Sure, let’s all believe anything “Del Bigtree” says because he’s a stoic Native American like John Redcorn.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 18, 2023 11:53 pm

That was a good thrashing of that aircraft.

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Dafydd Phillips.

RIAT 2023- FRANCE’S HIGH ENERGY RAFALE SOLO DISPLAY – 4K

calli
calli
July 19, 2023 12:41 am

We have arrived in Sarlat…the loooong left, short right worked. French roadworks without detour signs, not so much. We, and our little rented Peugeot, are intact.

We’re in a B&B just outside the medieval city, a little balcony perfect for sipping ice cold wine and gormandising on cheese and crackers. Just a little too hot right now. So we’re doing the plonk and beer in the room, and the Beloved is powering down from the journey (not a long one, but it was an exercise in muscle memory which can be very taxing). Also the lift was broken so he’s lugged our motherships up the stairs, the tough old bugger.

It’s some sort of converted large family home, circa the belle epoch. Double storey fanlight entrance, now a mezzanine, steep stairs to enormous rooms. When the owners bought it, the roof was caved in and the plumbing was non existent. The story reminded me of that chick flick about Tuscany. Not a ruin now, very comfortable.

No TV. Perhaps the last one suffered BBC rage and was attacked by a patron.

calli
calli
July 19, 2023 12:47 am

Chuckle. Just went to the communal fridge for another glass of wine.

A cardboard cask with “Le Heritage Carillan” on the side. The frogs have finally succumbed! In truth though, it ought to be labelled Le Heritage d’Australie. 🙂

A nice, crisp drop though. And on the house so I can’t complain.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 19, 2023 12:54 am

John Stossel:

The Southern Poverty Law Center promises to warn us about dangerous hate groups and extremists. In reality, it smears grassroots activists like “Moms for Liberty” for daring to disagree about policy.

Southern Poverty Law Center Has Become a Left-wing, Money-grabbing, Slander Machine

John H.
John H.
July 19, 2023 1:38 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Jul 18, 2023 11:27 PM
Bloody Bruce Pascoe and “Dark Emu” on ABC TV right now. FMD!

I’ve seen the withering contempt of those, with genuine Aboriginal ancestry, for those “faux Aborigines.” How Bruce Paxton gets away with it, I don’t know!

That’s easy. I flipped onto that doco occasionally. Not once did I see a detailed analysis of his references and argument. It was all about the feelz and anyone who doesn’t have the feelz is a racist. Consider that “spiritual attachment to the land” argument. As if aborigines are the only people who feel a special bond to a special place. Have they never heard the song Green Green Grass of home?

JC
JC
July 19, 2023 2:53 am

Can’t wait.

British tycoon plans to launch an electric airline that will serve plant-based food

British entrepreneur Dale Vince on Monday announced plans to launch an electric airline that will be powered using renewable energy.
Aircraft are to be “retrofitted with the hydrogen-electric power trains as soon they become approved for service by the CAA.”

caveman
caveman
July 19, 2023 3:08 am

British tycoon plans to launch an electric airline that will serve plant-based food

That’s where Stockton Rush f#@ked up he didn’t serve plant based food in the Titan sub.

Gabor
Gabor
July 19, 2023 3:40 am

British tycoon plans to launch an electric airline that will serve plant-based food

Ooookay, I can understand the Hydrogen bit, but what’s with the plant based food?
I suppose a lot of it would be lentils or beans?

Maybe an emergency fuel supply by the passangers?

Tom
Tom
July 19, 2023 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
July 19, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
July 19, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
July 19, 2023 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
July 19, 2023 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
July 19, 2023 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
July 19, 2023 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
July 19, 2023 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
July 19, 2023 4:13 am
Tom
Tom
July 19, 2023 4:14 am
Tom
Tom
July 19, 2023 4:16 am
Tom
Tom
July 19, 2023 4:17 am
132andBush
132andBush
July 19, 2023 4:20 am

Good to see the Dan Andrews Collective suddenly interested in fiscal responsibility after blowing over $1billion to NOT build vital infrastructure all those years ago.

calli
calli
July 19, 2023 4:31 am

People will die on those planes. Very fast and very horribly. For no reason other than vanity.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
July 19, 2023 4:33 am

Thanks Tom.

Black Ball
Black Ball
July 19, 2023 4:45 am

Terry McCrann giving Andrews both barrels:

Oh dear. Is there even enough lipstick in the – formerly – great state of Victoria to smear on Chairman Dan’s pig?

There he was trying to dress it up as an exercise in fiscal discipline, while ‘still delivering’ the so-called ‘legacy benefits’ for regional Victoria.

And was fooling exactly no-one.

The Victoria Government’s reneging on the Commonwealth Games is utterly humiliating for the government, the premier, the state and indeed all its citizens.

Bluntly, Victoria can’t afford to keep its promises.

Does it announce the state is broke?

No. But it’s not exactly a good look, coming from a state with a debt of $150bn, heading for $200bn and who knows where after that.

It’s effectively an ‘official’ announcement of stunning financial incompetence.

Whoops, a $2.6bn cost has just gone to $7bn – and, the premier can’t even be confident that’s where the meter would stop.

But what does that immediately say about the costs of the Victorian government’s so-called ‘Big Build’ – pour a lot of concrete into the ground and pump a truck-load of CO2 into the atmosphere – program?

One very – huge – one in particular: the utterly pointless suburban rail loop that is costing $30bn going on $120bn and heading for $200bn and who knows how much higher?

And is in a ‘race’ with former PM Malcolm Turnbull’s equally utterly useless – and cost-exploding – Snowy Two to be the first into actually carrying passengers/water?

Indeed, the rail loop is sort of like Chairman Dan’s personal tribute to the net zero lunacy.

We, as in Victoria, can also spend tens if not hundreds of billions to match the federal spend of well more than a trillion, to equally achieve four-fifths of five-eighths of copulating all.

Walking away from the Games and from regional Victoria is a stunning betrayal of the 1.5 million Victorians who live outside Melbourne.

And it’s not too flash for the 5.3 million who do, and who are picking up the bulk of the bill for the Andrews’s government’s massive financial mismanagement, with the Games fiasco ripping another few hundred (?) million from the all-but deplenished bucket.

That’s also, please not, picking up the bill, pretty much, forever.

The other near-20 million Australians who live north of the Murray and west of Kaniva and, oh yes, south of Wilson’s Prom, shouldn’t feel too smug.

The way our federation (mis)works, they’ll also be picking up ‘their share’ of Victoria’s financial woes.

And that’s on top of the cost of the mad, bad and dangerous to live with ‘destroy-our-electricity system’ climate change insanity that is costing and only just starting to cost all Australians plenty.

The minutes of the Reserve Bank’s last meeting, released almost as Andrews was speaking – was he trying to steal Philip Lowe’s thunder, or trying to hide behind the usual media interest rate frenzy? – should have provided a very sobering backdrop.

Michele Bullock’s appointment has been well – and appropriately – received.

But there’s more than a hint of ‘it might mean the end of the Lowe hard rate times’.

Sorry, the minutes should bury that. We are only at the start of a tough, tough journey with inflation, and rates; it ain’t going to be ‘softened’ by the new guv and the new RBA.

calli
calli
July 19, 2023 4:56 am

The way our federation (mis)works, they’ll also be picking up ‘their share’ of Victoria’s financial woes.

Correct. The thing that heads up Victoria is a national embarrassment.

But Victorians voted for it. That doesn’t let others off the hook. Prosecutto is just as bad. He too bites the innocent.

Put the two in a sugar sack and chuck them in the Murray.

miltonf
miltonf
July 19, 2023 4:57 am

Thanks BB. These vile people think they’re still in the students’ union at Monash.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
July 19, 2023 4:58 am

People will die on those planes. Very fast and very horribly. For no reason other than vanity.

Nobody is entirely useless. They can always serve as a horrible example.

Tom
Tom
July 19, 2023 5:05 am

Paywallian:

Victorian taxpayers face a ¬compensation bill of tens of ¬millions of dollars after Daniel ¬Andrews dumped the 2026 Commonwealth Games, as officials in London and Australia claimed they were blindsided and accused the Premier of grossly exaggerating the cost of the event.
In a shock announcement on Tuesday, after months of questions about his state’s preparedness for the games, Mr Andrews claimed the final cost of the sporting gala could have been as high as $7bn despite his government -estimating they would cost $2.6bn before Labor’s state election victory late last year.
The nation’s sporting establishment – from Australia’s most decorated Olympian Emma McKeon to former Olympics boss John Coates – expressed their disappointment in Mr Andrews’ decision, with Mr Coates calling the move an embarrassment for the country.
The Commonwealth Games Federation in London was in crisis meetings on Tuesday to secure the future of the games and its lawyers were poring over the contract with Victoria’s Labor government.
Lawyers were looking at whether the Victorian government could be liable not only for the costs already incurred, but for substantial damages, and also the additional costs incurred by a ¬future Games host because of the short preparation time.
CGF chief executive Katie Sadleir, who is also on the board of the 2026 organising committee, told The Australian on Tuesday night (AEST) that “of course the Commonwealth Games will continue”. She claimed some other Australian states had already been in touch about hosting the event, while the organisation was getting “strong” support from other Commonwealth nations.
Mr Andrews’ counterparts in other states were quick on Tuesday to rule out bidding to take on the 2026 contract, putting the nation’s relationship with the Commonwealth Games in question.
“We are working through steps to reach a (financial) settlement (with the Victorian government) and regroup,” Ms Sadleir said. “We have great supporters of the Commonwealth movement, and already other cities have come to us. It is such early stage, the board will sit down and look all options, but this week is getting to a good state in regard to the exit agreement with Victoria.”
A defiant Mr Andrews claimed the games had to be axed because the costs had jumped to between $6bn and $7bn, fuelled by the bill for running events in five key community centres up to two hours’ drive from Melbourne.
“I’ve made a lot of difficult calls, a lot of very difficult decisions in this job,” Mr Andrews said. “This is not one of them. Frankly, $6bn (or) $7bn for a sporting event, we are not doing that. That does not represent value for money, that is all cost and no benefit.”
Mr Andrews said the $2.6bn initial estimate had been too low. “It is in fact at least $6bn and could be as high as $7bn and I cannot stand here and say to you that I have any confidence that even that $7bn number would appropriately and adequately fund these games.”
But Ms Sadleir said the federation was “absolutely blindsided’ and the last board meeting in April was shown a budget submission that bore no resemblance to the figures now quoted by the Victorian government.
She said the federation had not been consulted about the escalating costs claimed by the government, nor offered any chance to tweak or finetune plans.
“To find out with eight hours notice a decision made like this with no ability for the board, no opportunity or debate or ability to look at options, it is very difficult to express in words,’’ she said.
“We are in shock, it is incredibly disappointing … there has not been a lot of time to get our heads lined up about the implications, but it is really disappointing for aspiring athletes and our organising teams, they were well advanced in planning and preparation.’’
The 2026 Games would have been the first for King Charles and Queen Camilla since acceding to the throne, and the Games patron is Edward, Prince of Edinburgh.
A spokesperson for Buckingham Palace said: “This is something we would not comment on”.
Ms Sadleir said the federation only required two sports to be on the Commonwealth Games program, swimming and athletics, with all others being at the option of the host. She said Victorian officials had arrived at her office in late 2021 saying how excited they were to have a unique games, with the regional concept, because the federation’s new flexible guidelines allowed that to happen.
She said the number of sports and the containment of costs not directly associated with the Games – such as housing and improving facilities, were decisions for the Victorian government.
The timing was also unexpected by games officials, given the success of the Birmingham Games which came in $115m under its $1.5bn taxpayer budget.
Commonwealth Games Australia chief executive Craig Phillips said the backflip could imperil the state’s global reputation as a sporting event location as Australian officials tried desperately, but without apparent success, to entice another state to bid for the games.
The decision was condemned across the sporting community on Tuesday with Mr Coates declaring the state should not have bidded for the games.
‘’This is a terrible embarrassment to Australian sport,’’ he said.
Victorian Liberal leader John Pesutto said the decision was a “con” while a series of athletes condemned the move, arguing they had been let down by a government that claimed it only knew of the cost increases in the past few months.
Mr Phillips accused the government of letting down athletes, fans and Indigenous Australians, claiming Labor had backed the flawed idea of an effectively ¬regional-only series of events.
“It’s a comprehensive letdown for the athletes, the excited host communities, First Nations Australians who were at the heart of the Games, and the millions of fans that would have embraced a sixth home Games in Australia,” he said.
“The stated costs overrun, in our opinion, (is) a gross exaggeration and not reflective of the operational costs presented to the Victoria 2026 Organising Committee board as recently as June.

“Beyond this, the Victorian government wilfully ignored ¬recommendations to move events to purpose-built stadia in ¬Melbourne and in fact remained wedded to proceeding with expensive temporary venues in regional Victoria.”
Anthony Albanese distanced himself from the decision, referring questions to Victoria.
Mr Andrews said the funds allocated for the games would be redirected to a $2bn regional package to funnel into sporting grounds, facilities, tourism and social and affordable housing.
But Mr Coates warned: “We shouldn’t be bidding for events unless we know that we have the necessary commitments and support of the various governments.
“And unless the business case stacks up, clearly though from what Daniel Andrews is telling us now, it didn’t.”
The games were planned to be spread across Geelong, Bendigo, Ballarat, Gippsland and Shepparton in March 2026, away from Melbourne, where some of the world’s best sporting facilities are located. Mayors had ¬objected to the infrastructure required to host the Games in the regional centres. The games were to be run in three of Labor’s most crucial regional areas, in and around the cities of Geelong, Ballarat and Bendigo.
Commonwealth Games gold medallist Glynis Nunn said the Andrews government had taken a dream away from young athletes “hoping to compete in front of their country before the (Brisbane) Olympic and Paralympic Games”.
“It is rare you get to see the Commonwealth, Paralympics and Olympics in your home country and Australia has a great history of that. Now (Victorian premier Dan Andrews) has blown that all up which is disappointing,” she said.
Dave Culbert, sports marketer and former Commonwealth Games employee, maintained there is still value in the event despite the Victorian government’s decision to dump it.

calli
calli
July 19, 2023 5:10 am

I hope our dear Ragu still lurks here.

Tonight I toddled into Sarlat and had a marvellous salad of warm Rocamadour cheese, dressed with honey on an endive base. Heaven.

On the table next to us…Australians en vacances. Fun to eavesdrop on them. One was called Cheryl who asked if her chicken was leg or breast. Magret, Madame. It is duck.

I know. I am a wicked old woman. 🙂

Johnny Rotten
July 19, 2023 5:13 am

Put the two in a sugar sack and chuck them in the Murray.

Unfortunately, that would only pollute the river. Pitchforks anyone?

calli
calli
July 19, 2023 5:13 am

I’ll add, just in case you think I’m a foodie snob, it was written in English under the French. More troubling were the guys who wanted their steaks “well done”.

The customer is always right.

Gabor
Gabor
July 19, 2023 5:21 am

were the guys who wanted their steaks “well done”.

Blue steak; I can’t imagine eating, but if it were a choice betwixt the two, I’d take the blue anytime.

Johnny Rotten
July 19, 2023 5:27 am

The screen is a magic medium. It has such power that it can retain interest as it conveys emotions and moods that no other art form can hope to tackle.

– Stanley Kubrick

calli
calli
July 19, 2023 5:27 am

As the new day dawns in Australia, I’m sitting on my balcony overlooking Sarlat la Caneda, music from the square drifting up, the air warm and clear, the glow of the setting sun above the forest to the west.

Naturally we brought back some of the liquid produce to sample before shutting our bleary eyes.

The church spire, lead clad and looking rather like a salt shaker on an onion, sits dark against the apricot sky. It has a wind-vane on top. It’s a curly dragon.

bespoke
bespoke
July 19, 2023 5:35 am
Johnny Rotten
July 19, 2023 5:45 am

If you drink don’t drive. Don’t even putt.

– Dean Martin

calli
calli
July 19, 2023 5:48 am

Johnny, I always found a hangover improved my drive. Something about keeping the head very still.

bespoke
bespoke
July 19, 2023 5:49 am

The Commonwealth Games should be funded by sponsorship and donations.

Diogenes
Diogenes
July 19, 2023 6:04 am

On the plus side of Dickhead Dan’s withdrawal from hosting the Commonwealth Games, there will be less competition for trades and construction materials taking some pressure of building costs inflation. Anyone building in Victoria should be pleased.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
July 19, 2023 6:11 am

The Commonwealth Games should be funded by sponsorship and donations.

Couldn’t agree more. I’m slightly bemused by those who want to watch people run around in circles or jump up and down. I don’t mind you doing it, I just think you’re weird. But I think you’ve got a nerve demanding that I pay through taxes for you to indulge your weird hobbies.

Crossie
Crossie
July 19, 2023 6:44 am

The church spire, lead clad and looking rather like a salt shaker on an onion, sits dark against the apricot sky. It has a wind-vane on top. It’s a curly dragon.

Calli, not a cross on top?

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 19, 2023 6:47 am

More Madrid

Visited one of the famous art galleries – the Prado. If you go between 5-7pm on Sundays it is free. Lotsa Goya and Bruegel.

Also tackled the Royal Palace – the largest in Europe and certainly the most ostentatious palace we have ever seen. Tapestries from 15thC, gold, ceramics, silver, carpets, chandeliers etc – completely over the top, room after room. It certainly was a rich dynasty.

Of course, it had an armoury and I had a drool over its “completeness, quality and quantity”.

We also walked by Casa Botín “the oldest restaurant in the world” – opened in 1725, and called in again to the magnificent Christ Church Cathedral.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 19, 2023 7:03 am

A significant enough proportion of the public are sufficiently gullible to enable my extremely comfortable lifestyle.

Suckers.

– Martin Armstrong

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 19, 2023 7:23 am

-3 in the ancestral seat this morning.

Oh my.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
July 19, 2023 7:27 am

-3 but feels like -6.
Better than smelling salts.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 19, 2023 7:32 am

Gabor at 5:21

were the guys who wanted their steaks “well done”.
Blue steak; I can’t imagine eating, but if it were a choice betwixt the two, I’d take the blue anytime.

Having eaten with a mate who was served a virtually raw “rare” steak in Hossegor I’m not sure I would agree with you. Luckily I had the fish and the steak went back (which as a bonus probably annoyed the French).

bons
bons
July 19, 2023 7:35 am

I see no problem with the soon to be released raspist being given a housing priority.
After all, a drug criminal was appointed as Secretary for Education.
He simply needs to ask the people for ‘understanding’ as Coutts Trotter did.
Maybe he could find himself a convenient Labor woman and the oportunities would be boundless. The ABC would come knocking.
Putrid, the lot of them.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 19, 2023 7:36 am

On the plus side of Dickhead Dan’s withdrawal from hosting the Commonwealth Games, there will be less competition for trades and construction materials taking some pressure of building costs inflation. Anyone building in Victoria should be pleased.

When we were operating in Victoriastan the biggest problem was the flow on from government sites terms and conditions. It was the desal plant and Westgate upgrade at that time.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 19, 2023 7:41 am

-3 in the ancestral seat this morning.

Completely unacceptable and why you should always live on the coast. I think at worst I was 25 minutes to the beach.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
July 19, 2023 7:43 am

Emperor Penguins live on the coast.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 19, 2023 7:51 am

Never live anywhere with penguins either. An occasional trip to Philip Island for the bike racing or a few laps yourself is excusable.

sfw
sfw
July 19, 2023 7:55 am

Can’t stand the coast, nearly always windy, who wants to live in near constant wind?
-4 here this morning, coldest morning for quite a while, We normally get a lot of frost, not this winter, just grey dark days of constant drizzle, at least it’s not windy. This is the least windy place in Australia.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
July 19, 2023 7:57 am

Just the spot for a few wind turbines sfw.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
July 19, 2023 8:02 am

From the wreckage of the Victorian Commonwealth Games, a new political ultimate sin:

[Commonwealth Games Australia chief executive] Craig Phillips accused the government of letting down athletes, fans and Indigenous Australians, claiming Labor had backed the flawed idea of an effectively regional-only series of events.

“It’s a comprehensive letdown for the athletes, the excited host communities, First Nations Australians who were at the heart of the Games, and the millions of fans that would have embraced a sixth home Games in Australia,” he said.

I never realised that Ballarat, or Geelong, or the Mornington Peninsula were the Victorian equivalents of Wadeye. Who knew that First Nations Australians were ever “at the heart of the Games”?

Perhaps they were; but this sounds suspiciously like the arrival of a new variety of moral bludgeon in the OPM-eaters’ toolkit. A glimpse of post-Voice budgetary best practice.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
July 19, 2023 8:04 am

Never live anywhere with penguins either.

An Iron Rule.

Pogria
Pogria
July 19, 2023 8:04 am

The Kiwis have offered to stage the Commonwealth Games. Christchurch.
Aren’t they still rebuilding Christchurch?

sfw
sfw
July 19, 2023 8:04 am

Gez, fortunately we’re safer than most areas but who knows. I really feel for you and all the other areas that are being ruined by the turbines, solar farms and transmission lines. I love the way the environmental movement have gone silent.
It proves that they’re more about politics than principles but it doesn’t help. In twenty years our kids and their kids will ask why we did so much damage for little good.
The solar panel disgrace at Winton is being expanded even more, prime sheep country turned into an industrial landscape, it looks like a lake as you approach.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 19, 2023 8:07 am

Can’t go sailing without wind. I like it. Our place on the coast being surrounded by water has only reached 29 deg in summer when it was 43 in Nowra. There is a gentle breeze that flows through the place to not ever need air-conditioning. The longest without wind is 2 hours. No penguins but plenty of cows with machine guns.

Pogria
Pogria
July 19, 2023 8:08 am

-1 down here. Only a light frost. Didn’t have to rug up well to let the chooks out. Ice on the buckets and ponds easy to crack. Apart from the three inches of snow in May, it has been quite a mild winter down here. Not complaining, mind. 😀

Rosie
Rosie
July 19, 2023 8:09 am

What idiocy to propose to build temporary stadiums at enormous expense.
It was a vote propping exercise that apparently no-one was prepared to lend Andrews money for any more.
Because it it was going to be debt funded, there had to be a lender as Dan can’t print his own dollars, can he?

Rosie
Rosie
July 19, 2023 8:11 am

And the first nation disappointment over the loss of invader games is bizarre.
Huguenot tears I could understand.

Crossie
Crossie
July 19, 2023 8:15 am

Who knew that First Nations Australians were ever “at the heart of the Games”?

Think of the potential for money harvesting, a welcome to country before every event and even every competitor.

Crossie
Crossie
July 19, 2023 8:17 am

Pogria
Jul 19, 2023 8:04 AM
The Kiwis have offered to stage the Commonwealth Games. Christchurch.
Aren’t they still rebuilding Christchurch?

Probably still in a better financial shape than Danistan.

shatterzzz
July 19, 2023 8:20 am

And the first nation disappointment over the loss of invader games is bizarre.

I read that bit about the 251s and wondered why it should affect them more than the next bloke .. but then realised it’s the media “feel” .. ya getz extra brownie points and
a bigger headline for a 251 sympathy angle regardless of the story …….

Crossie
Crossie
July 19, 2023 8:24 am

sfw
Jul 19, 2023 7:55 AM
Can’t stand the coast, nearly always windy, who wants to live in near constant wind?

My mother couldn’t stand the wind when we lived in Coogee when I was a kid. She insisted it gave her headaches. We kids loved the beach life while it lasted.

shatterzzz
July 19, 2023 8:24 am

Linda Burney’s mood enhancer of choice is doing her no favours. She gave a Press Club speech where she stated the NO Campaign was being “Runned” by a group called Fair Australia

NO YES references to be seen anywhere around Fairfield/Liverpool but lotza NO posters from Fair Australia ………..!

Pogria
Pogria
July 19, 2023 8:24 am

Crossie,
agree.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 19, 2023 8:27 am

Chairman Dan brings shame to the glorious revolution.

Cassie of Sydney
July 19, 2023 8:29 am

I don’t believe Chairman Dan and his comrades had any intention of going ahead with the Games. It was a ploy to help win regional seats in last year’s election, and it worked a treat.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 19, 2023 8:31 am

Afternoon sea breeze makes most Perth beaches pretty ordinary in the afternoon. No sea breeze around 6pm means fish and chips on the grass at Scarborough or Cott should definitely be considered.

Cassie of Sydney
July 19, 2023 8:32 am

Decades ago a retailer told me that what kept people at home was not drenching rain, was not thunderstorms, was not heatwaves, but wind. People don’t like wind.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 19, 2023 8:32 am

Jacinta Price proposes Indigenous voice to parliament debate with Linda Burney

By paige taylor
Indigenous Affairs Correspondent, WA Bureau Chief
@paigeataylor
7:43AM July 19, 2023
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Opposition Indigenous Australians spokeswoman Jacinta Nampijinpa Price says she wants to debate Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney on the voice.

Senator Price on Tuesday reiterated the key messages in the No pamphlet she helped write, saying she would be very happy to debate Ms Burney. The pamphlet Senator Price oversaw is the work of federal MPs who oppose a constitutionally enshrined voice and it will be delivered to every household in Australia.

MPs who support the voice wrote the Yes pamphlet, also to be delivered by the Australian Electoral Commission. Both sides were limited to 2000 words under referendum legislation.
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The Yes pamphlet describes the voice as a form of recognition that is about “listening to advice from Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people about matters that affect their lives, so governments make better decisions”.

The No pamphlet describes the proposition as risky, unknown, divisive and permanent.

On Tuesday, Indigenous members of the Uluru Dialogue said the No pamphlet was “a recipe for more of the same”.

“Sadly, the No Pamphlet trots out the same tired and misleading arguments of a campaign determined to maintain a failed status quo that has always sold Australians short,” the Uluru Dialogue said.

“The No case is a case for reliance on Canberra. It is about no ideas, no solutions, no hope, no courage, no heart.”

Asked if Ms Burney would consider debating Senator Price or planned to participate in any debate on the voice, a spokesperson for the minister said she “is focused on getting out and having conversations with people across the country about why the voice is needed and how it will help improve the lives of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people”.

“Last week she was in Launceston, Albany, Port Hedland, Kununurra and Broome. Next week she’ll be in Wodonga and Adelaide,” the spokesperson said.

As the No campaign highlights the views of Indigenous people who oppose the voice, the Yes campaign is working to demonstrate the voice is not a Canberra idea but emerged from years of conversations among Indigenous Australians about how they wished to be recognised in the Constitution.

The Yes case’s clearest evidence of Indigenous support for the voice is a poll conducted in April that found 83 per cent would vote for it to be enshrined in the Constitution. The poll recorded the views of 732 Indigenous Australians in 151 electorates in urban, regional and remote areas. It was conducted by YouGov, a member of the Australian Polling Council.

Anthony Albanese on Tuesday stressed the poor health outcomes of Indigenous people documented in the Yes pamphlet.

“We’ve been doing things to and for – often with the best intentions – Indigenous Australians for 122 years since Federation,” Mr Albanese said.

“We have an eight-year life expectancy gap. If you’re a young Indigenous male, you are more likely to go to jail than to go to university. We have worse infant mortality rates. We have worse health outcomes. We have worse housing outcomes. Four out of the 19 Closing the Gap targets are currently being met.

“We need to do better. If Australia votes No, that is saying that we’ll keep doing things the same way. If you keep doing things the same way, you should expect the same results.”

Jacinta Price will shoot Linda Burney down in flames.

duncanm
duncanm
July 19, 2023 8:32 am

I just want to ‘circle back’ to our mate the Ed Mong.

Ed Case
Jul 18, 2023 5:55 PM
.. and just in case Ed can’t read.

2.-FULL-BLOODED AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINALS ENUMERATED IN THE SEVERAL STATES
AND TERRITORIES OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA
At the Census of 3rd April, 1911

Got a page no. reference for that ‘statement’, duncanm?
Here’s the Link, just point us to a page, old timer?
No you haven’t, because you’re a lyin’ liar.

Ed. I linked to it with a page and section reference, as subsequently did Roger, after which you then wrote:

Ed Case
Jul 18, 2023 6:20 PM

None of these mention Full-Blood Aborigines, except to state in the header that they are excluded.
Some are saying they were still counted, but can’t point to where.

Ed Case
Jul 18, 2023 6:42 PM

That’s clear from the 1911 Census, which states that Full-bloods are excluded,
..

Stop being a deliberately ignorant dickhead and go back to being just your usual self – a common all garden ignorant dickhead.

You are looking at the wrong part of the census. As pointed out to you by numerous people, Aborigines were counted separately from the general population (for the reasons being discussed). They weren’t counted fully.

duncanm
Jul 18, 2023 5:44 PM
Ed – please explain page 2054 of Volume III – Part XIV of the 1911 census.

The link is Volume III – Part XIV

Page 2054, “INTRODUCTORY SECTION.-POPULATION. ”
Section 2. “FULL-BLOODED AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINALS ENUMERATED IN THE SEVERAL STATES AND TERRITORIES OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA ”

Now do run along.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 19, 2023 8:35 am

You could see Linda Burney and Chris Bowen in a Whitlam Cabinet.

Cassie of Sydney
July 19, 2023 8:35 am

Chairman Dan has no shame, never has, never will. He can easily stand before the world and do what he did yesterday, shamelessly cancel the Commonwealth Games and in the process humiliate Victoria, because he lacks a conscience, but people vote for that, in droves.

shatterzzz
July 19, 2023 8:39 am

If you’re a young Indigenous male, you are more likely to go to jail than to go to university.

Silly me! .. there was me thinkin’ you go to gaol for committing crimes and university cos your committing to learning ..
But NO! .. it’s more to do with whether your born 251 or not ..! FFS! ,,

shatterzzz
July 19, 2023 8:41 am

You could see Linda Burney and Chris Bowen in a Whitlam Cabinet.

My preference would be to see them in a CentreLink “dole” queue ..
where they both belong ..!

Dot
Dot
July 19, 2023 8:46 am

I’m slightly bemused by those who want to watch people run around in circles or jump up and down. I don’t mind you doing it, I just think you’re weird.

Like most maths Ph D theses.

Dot
Dot
July 19, 2023 8:47 am

Decades ago a retailer told me that what kept people at home was not drenching rain, was not thunderstorms, was not heatwaves, but wind. People don’t like wind.

It’s dangerous, imagine a bad wind on Epping Road in heavy traffic.

You could be stuck there for hours, let alone hurt.

Sydney has too many bloody gum trees.

lotocoti
lotocoti
July 19, 2023 8:50 am

Living near penguins is fine.
Provided the “Shark Watch” is strapped.

shatterzzz
July 19, 2023 8:51 am

Bloke walked past me in the local shopping centre last Sunday .. took me a few seconds to twig who it was .. the “turrle” .. Oh dear! a lot worse look in real life than on teeve!
Fat face, bulging cheeks, beaky nose, very reddish complexion and tending towards the the obese, sporting a tight, tucked into jeans, tee shirt (had some slogan on the front but didn’t register it) is not a good luck for someone with a, fairly, prominent tummy …..

Black Ball
Black Ball
July 19, 2023 9:01 am

Wouldn’t surprise me if Andrews used the funding earmarked for the Games as capital for the Yes campaign. Commonwealth Games of course a throwback to colonialist oppression. In fact I would bookmark it.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
July 19, 2023 9:03 am

“We need to do better. If Australia votes No, that is saying that we’ll keep doing things the same way. If you keep doing things the same way, you should expect the same results.”

There is nothing in the Referendum proposal that says how things will be done differently – indeed how ‘things’ will be done at all.

The only real concept is the hope that the Voice will somehow provide practical solutions that have eluded decades of well-funded, well-meaning, and (allegedly) culturally expert attempts – and that the whole machinery of State and Commonwealth government will change gear and deliver matching results.

If Australia votes No, it’s certainly not ordering up ‘more of the same’.

Rather it is assuming that you, Albanese, and Executive Government, and the State mouth breathers, and the myriad agencies, are most likely to keep doing the same thing and achieving the same results.

A compleat political gnome; lying, dissembling, and denying agency – the full package.

Indolent
Indolent
July 19, 2023 9:07 am

FBI told Hunter Biden investigator to duck Committee questions, bombshell letter shows

We’ve had enough bombshells to blow up Washington, but nothing ever happens.

Roger
Roger
July 19, 2023 9:08 am

A compleat political gnome; lying, dissembling, and denying agency – the full package.

A nasty little Trot.

It is devoutly to be wished that the failure of the referendum is his political epitaph.

Indolent
Indolent
July 19, 2023 9:09 am
Indolent
Indolent
July 19, 2023 9:10 am
Beertruk
Beertruk
July 19, 2023 9:11 am
Indolent
Indolent
July 19, 2023 9:13 am
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 19, 2023 9:15 am

Chris
2 hours ago
The “Yes” case is full of the proverbial – viz.:
> “the voice as a form of recognition that is about “listening to advice”, but Minister Burney already gets that advice from the NIAA, from the 10 other indigenous Ministers and from the 3,000 support groups scattered around Australia.
> “working to demonstrate the voice is not a Canberra idea”. But it is a Canberra idea with the “Voice” ensconced in Canberra.
>”the No pamphlet was “a recipe for more of the same”. Which simply shows Minister Burney is not doing her job properly and another layer of bureaucracy in Canberra will do no better under her leadership.
> “No Pamphlet trots out the same tired and misleading arguments”. Wrong – this is exactly what the “Yes” campaign is doing.
>”“The No case is a case for reliance on Canberra. It is about no ideas, no solutions, no hope, no courage, no heart.” Wrong. What are these 3,000+ support groups doing. They are not in Canberra, are they. Where’s the $34 billion pa going, apart from paying all those flocking around Canberra. It’s the Minister who has no solutions, therefore no hope, certainly not the courage to debate Jacinta Price, but she does have a lot of heart, albeit listening to all those lobby groups pushing the “Yes” campaign.
> Albanese says “We need to do better”. He should look in the mirror. The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs is part of his portfolio.
He has to do better. His “Voice” campaign is directed at the wrong end of the problem. The solutions are to be found in resolving local community issues, not in giving advice to the executive of government in Canberra.
The despicable intent of the “Voice” is a deliberate Trojan Horse endeavour to establish a Treaty in order to extract enormous sums of money in compensation (a pseudonym for “recognition”) to a very few.
If it’s “risky, unknown, divisive and permanent” the answer has to be a resounding NO!

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 19, 2023 9:15 am

Beer truck

The new Swallows and Amazons is beautifully photographed, but the story is junk. The kids are nasty, the villains are cardboard cutouts, and Captain Flint is too young.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 19, 2023 9:16 am

Jacinta Price will shoot Linda Burney down in flames.?

Pay that one, Beery.

Bar Beach Swimmer
July 19, 2023 9:18 am

Crossie
Jul 19, 2023 8:24 AM

A story about wind.

When I was about 10, we went to visit our Great Grandmother at Orient Point, which is on the coast from Nowra. (Every time we went there it was always windy but Grandma would say “it wasn’t windy yesterday!”)

On this particular visit we went fishing for blackfish – to the politically correct, now called Luderick. (Incidentally, I come from a long line of blackfish fishermen).

So, there was my Grandfather, (the son of Great Grandma), my Dad, and us, kids. The wind was blowing a gale and we were standing with our backs to it, fishing in an inlet. In the paddock behind – I think about 8-10 metres from us – were some cows.

With one particularly gusty gust, apart from Pa, who was a bit further along the strip, we all felt a firmish patter on our backs. Which suddenly ended the fishing.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 19, 2023 9:19 am

It is devoutly to be wished that the failure of the referendum is his political epitaph.

I have no doubt it will be. The only question is whether the Left faction try and save him or tap him on the shoulder and do a Gillard and Australians wake up one morning to a new Prime Minister.

Frank
Frank
July 19, 2023 9:25 am

Like most maths Ph D theses.

Cough, cough.

Frank
Frank
July 19, 2023 9:30 am

A compleat political gnome; lying, dissembling, and denying agency – the full package.

You left out the crucial element of snivelling demagoguery but otherwise, spot on.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
July 19, 2023 9:35 am

Flying back from Europe last week on a non-Australian airlines. They have a flight tracker which shows you where the plane is and nearby towns or points of interest. As we crossed Australia I had a little chuckle as saw the name Ayers Rock displayed in the centre. Landed in Melbourne and no welcome to country bs.
I still call Thai Airways home!

Roger
Roger
July 19, 2023 9:42 am

You could see Linda Burney and Chris Bowen in a Whitlam Cabinet.

Don’t forget Tony Burka.

If he could he’d order wage rises by decree.

Bar Beach Swimmer
July 19, 2023 9:45 am

Noel Pearson just on Sky with Laura Jayes. When asked why we need a voice he responded that “it’s only blackfellas who get rheumatic heart disease – whites used to have that illness in the ’20s-’30s, but not now.” He then asserts that the voice will fix that by making representations to politicians. Is that clear?

Question: what do the health departments, indigenous medical clinics, doctors etc do? Surely they should all know how to fix this, and any other illness?

From Wiki:

Rheumatic fever can be prevented by effectively and promptly treating strep throat with antibiotics….In Western countries, rheumatic fever has become fairly rare since the 1960s, probably due to the widespread use of antibiotics to treat streptococcus infections. While it has been far less common in the United States since the beginning of the 20th century, there have been a few outbreaks since the 1980s.[51] The disease is most common among Indigenous Australians (particularly in central and northern Australia), M?ori, and Pacific Islanders, and is also common in Sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America, the Indian subcontinent, and North Africa.[52]

Rheumatic fever primarily affects children between ages 5 and 17 years and occurs approximately 20 days after strep throat. In up to a third of cases, the underlying strep infection may not have caused any symptoms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheumatic_fever

Now he’s referring to Greg Craven, who sees the voice as a “a moral question”, to which Pearson agrees. People need to “look into their hearts”, Pearson asserts.

So, the voice is a moral question, which will fix rheumatic heart disease.

Oh, I can see the connection. /sarc.

Beertruk
Beertruk
July 19, 2023 9:49 am

THE COLUMN: In Praise of Toxic Masculinity

Ta bespoke.
Filed away in the ‘have to get and read’ section.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 19, 2023 9:54 am

Calli,

my wife and I enjoyed Sarlat in 2019 and also stayed in AirBnB – Dreams & love in sarlat, 4 Pl. de Lattre de Tassigny, 24200 Sarlat-la-Canéda, France – up steep flight stairs (thankfully Retired Guy driver from hotel opposite Train Station Brive-la-Gaillarde to Sarlat, carried bags up the stairs) view looking at railway bridge with nice Boulangerie underneath & Lidl Supermarket and easy 20 min walk to town centre

We went on a number of Mini-Bus tours from Sarlat like

Lascaux IV Visit – Half Day Tour from Sarlat

with the same group which departed from

Place Pasteur, Pl. Pasteur, 24200 Sarlat-la-Canéda, France
Please meet your guide 10 minutes before departure time in front of the bus stop.

just down from park entrance to town

Would reccomend Restaurant L’Esprit Sarlat Rue Gabriel Tarde, 24200 Sarlat-la-Canéda, France
Enjoy your stay especially the Foie de Gras

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 19, 2023 9:54 am

So, the voice is a moral question, which will fix rheumatic heart disease.

For shame, don’t you realize that the Voice is a moral question that will cure all ailments, from ingrowing toenails to full blown syphilis.

Bar Beach Swimmer
July 19, 2023 9:55 am

Indolent
Jul 19, 2023 9:02 AM

More of that, please. We need more people like Bill Maher to speak out like that.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 19, 2023 9:55 am

Jesse Watter’s screwed up bigtime having his mother ring into the show. It’ll come back to bite him.

Why? She’s a brainwashed retard who’s views and advice are appalling. She probably switched over to CNN after the call ended.

“Enough of the Biden bashing” she said. ” We have to make sure you keep your job”, meaning, just be a good little media whore and don’t make waves. Pathetic.

Have a listen – 2:16.

Democrat Mother of Jesse Watters Calls in on Son’s Debut 8 PM Show – Advises Against Conspiracy Theories and Urges to Move on From Biden-Bashing and Hunter’s Laptop

Democrat Mother of Jesse Watters Urges to Move on From Biden-Bashing & Hunter’s Laptop

Roger
Roger
July 19, 2023 9:56 am

Speaking of government decrees…

Xi has ordered local officials to rip out forests planted two decades ago to curb erosion and return the land to cropping.

The clearing reportedly exceeds that happening in the Amazon.

Beertruk
Beertruk
July 19, 2023 9:58 am

‘…we all felt a firmish patter on our backs.’

The girls were only after a friendly pat and scratch. 😉

Roger
Roger
July 19, 2023 10:03 am

People need to “look into their hearts”, Pearson asserts.

Where they’ll find an aboriginal Jesus, presumably.

Pearson’s shtick as an evangelist for the Voice – vocal cadences lifted from MLK Jr. even – strikes ordinary people as just weird.

Plays well on the Catholic social justice speaking circuit, though, I hear.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 19, 2023 10:03 am

The screen is a magic medium. It has such power that it can retain interest as it conveys emotions and moods that no other art form can hope to tackle.

– Stanley Kubrick

That was actually Doug Walters.

Rosie
Rosie
July 19, 2023 10:15 am

Plays well on the Catholic social justice speaking circuit

The same mob that infest ‘plenary councils’, in other words, enough people to count on one hand.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 19, 2023 10:16 am

Minister blocks bid to bring down airfares, boost tourism

Ayesha de Kretser
Senior reporter

The Australian government has terminated a request from Qatar Airways to add more Australian routes, dashing hopes that consumers might get relief from high international airfares.

In a move that should boost Qantas’ international earnings, Transport Minister Catherine King said: “The Australian government is not considering additional bilateral air rights with Qatar”.

The Australian Financial Review reported in June that Ms King was considering Qatar Airways’ request as part of a broader agreement with the Gulf state that is being negotiated by Trade and Tourism Minister Don Farrell.

Nationals MP and opposition spokesman on tourism Kevin Hogan said it was disappointing and did not make sense for travellers. “I strongly support competition in the sector and more slots for airlines like Qatar would be beneficial to our slow recovery in international tourism,” Mr Hogan said.

Sources said Qatar Airways both maintained services for stranded Australians, and also played a significant role in evacuating Australians when Kabul fell to the Taliban in August 2021, and had been seeking an expansion to its landing rights in a show of goodwill.

The bid was understood to have had the support of state premiers keen to see more international tourists return. But another industry source said granting Qatar more landing rights would potentially destabilise the landscape as other airlines return to full capacity.

A group of women who allege they were taken off a Qatar Airways flight in Doha at gunpoint and stripped, then subjected to invasive searches, wrote to Ms King in July urging her to consider the airline’s “insensitive and irresponsible treatment of us and its failure to ensure the safety and dignity of its passengers”.

The minister responded to the women, according to a letter dated July 10 and seen by the Financial Review, assuring them that the request is no longer being considered. But sources close to the airline said they had not been told the same on Tuesday.

The women, represented by Marque Lawyers, have taken their case against Qatar Airways, and the Qatar authorities that operate the airport, to the Federal Court, seeking compensation under the Montreal Convention governing the treatment of international passengers.

Until July, they had heard nothing from the Labor government regarding their case. One of the women, known as Anna but whose real identity has been suppressed by the courts, said she was disappointed by the lack of pressure put on the airline by politicians.

But on Tuesday, the minister did not respond to questions asking what the government planned to do to help the women, nor had the women heard anything further about representations being made on their behalf.

The airline says it was at the mercy of the Qatar police at the time of the incident like other carriers that were subject to the same orders. “Qatar Airways has confirmed it will have this matter dealt with through the Australian court system so it can be addressed on its legal merit,” a spokeswoman said.

Rosie
Rosie
July 19, 2023 10:17 am

I don’t know about that Dougie W.
I find images from books linger far longer.

Roger
Roger
July 19, 2023 10:19 am

The same mob that infest ‘plenary councils’, in other words, enough people to count on one hand.

Well, my understanding is he’s ofetn engaged by diocesan education departments to address teachers.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 19, 2023 10:21 am

The AFR View

The Andrews shambles takes the global stage

Surely this is the last straw for Premier Dan Andrews and the madness of his left-wing populist governing model.

Just before last November’s state election, Victorian Labor Premier Dan Andrews rode in with a $15 million sponsorship for Netball Australia after mining magnate Gina Rinehart had been told her money wasn’t welcome anymore.

Yesterday the debt-laden state blew up the 2026 Commonwealth Games at eight hours’ notice to the Commonwealth Games Federation and its 72 member nations.

Mr Andrews ludicrously dressed himself in fiscal rectitude to say that scrapping the Games was not a difficult decision to make. Regrettably it is the right decision for Victoria’s parlous budget, the state of which Mr Andrews is very largely to blame.

It was also a shocking error of judgment – and that special kind of Dan Andrews chutzpah – to bid for an international commitment in April 2022 and then walk away from it 15 months later.

The reputational damage and sovereign risk will weigh on anyone who wants to deal with Victoria in future, and perhaps Australia as well.

At best, the Victorian government looks utterly inept by taking on the Games and then failing by a massive margin to anticipate the cost of an event it last held in 2006.

Surely this is the last straw for Premier Andrews and the madness of his left-wing populist governing model in excessively locking down the state during the pandemic while racking up debt on one spending monument after another.

The latest result of abruptly cancelling the Games, with nearly 300 events and 5,000 athletes, now puts the whole Andrews shambles on the global stage.

It’s a solution straight from the ABC’s satire Utopia.

But even after cutting his losses by trashing Australia’s sporting name, Mr Andrews’ money spending twitch continues.

In 2022, he still thought a Commonwealth Games held largely around the state’s regions would be a great election winning idea.

The ever-wily Mr Andrews hopes he can still win the political medals by continuing the boondoggle spending on regional venues using most of the original $2.6 billion Games budget. He hopes that will keep voters in Ballarat, Bendigo, Shepparton and Gippsland onside.

There just won’t be any international events at those venues. That will save the $4 billion to $5 billion or so extra that having real running and jumping athletes at the Commonwealth Games would have cost.

It’s a solution straight from the ABC’s satire Utopia. And some of the higher costs came from changes which the Victorian government had insisted on itself because of the political wheeze of the regional venues.

Needless spending is now normal in the fantasy governance of Victoria. It already has the highest debt at $171 billion by 2027, the most damaging taxes, the highest business costs, and the lowest credit rating of any Australian state.

Its total post-pandemic debt levels are comparable with NSW. But it’s Victoria that sets off alarms with a debt to revenue ratio at Japanese levels of 200 per cent because of the run-up in debt-funded projects and payroll costs.

Its response has been to squeeze business by doubling down on the most inefficient taxation. This time, there are no public asset sales to bail out the state.

Instead, Mr Andrews is resurrecting the State Electricity Commission, the same electoral gimmick that a regional Commonwealth Games once was.

Delaying the Melbourne airport rail link and the Geelong fast rail link were among the few savings options left. Now the Games has gone, but the empty stadiums will live on. So does Melbourne’s Suburban Rail Loop, which may blow out to $200 billion by the time it is finished.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese demanded in opposition that all big projects with federal funding be assessed by Infrastructure Australia to prevent pork barrelling. But that does not seem to apply to Victorian Labor allies.

Mr Andrews might hope that long-suffering local investors, never mind foreign ones watching on, will be impressed by his financial call. But the blunders in risk and reputational management just blow all that away.

Events like the Olympics, the Pan-American Games and the Asian Games have never left their four-year cycles except for war or pandemic.

Durban in South Africa lost its right to host the 2022 Commonwealth Games over financial worries.

But it’s hard to find a host government unilaterally dumping a massive sporting event itself. Until now.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 19, 2023 10:22 am
Rosie
Rosie
July 19, 2023 10:22 am

How will the Voice get aboriginal families to clean their houses, bathe their children, wash their clothes and bedding, or even their hands, and hen take them to the free clinic when they are sick?

Dot
Dot
July 19, 2023 10:24 am

Country megastar Jason Aldean

???

Never heard of him.

Rosie
Rosie
July 19, 2023 10:26 am

Teachers in Catholic schools aren’t necessarily Catholic.

Roger
Roger
July 19, 2023 10:29 am

How will the Voice get aboriginal families to clean their houses, bathe their children, wash their clothes and bedding, or even their hands, and hen take them to the free clinic when they are sick?

The missionaries managed it with tough love, not Marxism.

Roger
Roger
July 19, 2023 10:32 am

Teachers in Catholic schools aren’t necessarily Catholic.

Nor the students, I suppose, but the largest non-government education system in the land provides a very useful conduit for the sort of stuff Pearson preaches.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 19, 2023 10:32 am

Victoriastanis have basically voted themselves back into a 20 year fiscal dark age. Given a choice, what business or developer would choose to be in Victoriastan?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 19, 2023 10:37 am

The Invoice is going to stop the women being beaten and killed, children being raped, provided accommodation burnt or wrecked, children not going to school, pisswrecks dying needlessly etc. Instead of a voice how about a Listen then do coz nothing else has worked. Sit down money has destroyed Aboriginal communities. Our own BB, not a white fella, could tell them how to live a productive life but that wouldn’t be enough coz he comes from a different area and each area reckons their neighbours know nothing.

P
P
July 19, 2023 10:38 am

Grant returns to stage to demystify referendum issues
By AAP Newswire
Jul 19, 2023

Journalist Stan Grant will moderate a forum on the voice to parliament in Sydney on Wednesday night.

Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney and lawyer and land rights activist Noel Pearson will address the Sydney Town Hall forum before the panel of experts, including prominent ‘yes’ campaigners, take audience questions on Wednesday night.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
July 19, 2023 10:45 am

Dot, your (and my) “never heard of him” stands in stark contrast to Jason Aldean’s quadruple platinum My Kinda Party, double platinum Night Train, and five Grammy Award nominations.
Perhaps he doesn’t see Oz as a large market.

Tom
Tom
July 19, 2023 10:45 am

Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney and lawyer and land rights activist Noel Pearson will address the Sydney Town Hall forum before the panel of experts, including prominent ‘yes’ campaigners, take audience questions on Wednesday night.

Not just an inner city rally, but right in the heart of the CBD.

Up yours, westies!

Lysander
Lysander
July 19, 2023 10:46 am

Barack Obama’s brother in Kenya has reportedly responded to the former US president’s effort to promote the inclusion of LGBTQ-themed books in school libraries by suggesting that his half-sibling is homosexual.

https://www.rt.com/news/579927-brother-says-barack-obama-is-gay/

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 19, 2023 10:48 am

Even the Population Ponzi, international students and high rise dog boxes can’t save them from here.

Roger
Roger
July 19, 2023 10:49 am

Given a choice, what business or developer would choose to be in Victoriastan?

Victoria the hardest state in Australia to do business, says survey

Only 7% say Andrews is doing a good job…

– AFR Feb 2022

Dot
Dot
July 19, 2023 10:52 am

The Romans were smart. Who knew they had drainable settling pools (piscinae limariae) near the terminal ends of the aqueducts?

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Piscinae-Limariae-of-Aqua-Alessandrina-left-and-Aqua-Virgo-right-Adapted-from-Piranesi_fig6_228857133

  1. Headline of the day: The Matildas and Arsenal weapon tasked with filling Kerr-sized hole Fnarrr.

  2. And puts lie to the media’s claim that he held a firearms licence “for recreational purposes”.

  3. The word doing the rounds (as yet unsubstantiated) is a total ban on “recreational” firearm use. Can see a lot…

  4. Outstanding. Just outstanding commentary on the current semitic sentiment in this country. The back end of a Gray Connolly piece…

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