Open Thread – Weekend 22 July 2023


Man and Woman Contemplating the Moon, Casper Friedrich, 1824

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Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 22, 2023 3:10 pm

Cronkite.
Atlassian isn’t traded on the ASX, only Nasdaq.
I think they claim it is too big for the ASX but it could be dual listed. I think the real issue is the ownership structure wouldn’t pass muster for ASX listing.
Bing Bong! Warning! Bing Bong!
I haven’t checked for a while but I think there are A class shares and B class shares.
A shares are owned privately by Jesus 1 and Jesus 2 and their circle.
B shares (which I a small proportion of total shares on issue) are issued to the public and traded on the Nasdaq.
Are you saying a pre-nup might carry weight in the FCA?

Johnny Rotten
July 22, 2023 3:11 pm

Just finished watching the 1980 BBC Series about Robert Oppenheimer free on You Tube. An excellent Series.

Now to see the Nolan Film.

Barry
Barry
July 22, 2023 3:12 pm
Razey
Razey
July 22, 2023 3:13 pm

Bordeaux has a very sleazy quarter

Hunchback owns a house there?

Johnny Rotten
July 22, 2023 3:17 pm

Unfortunately for Sparkles he’s the meal ticket, not her.

Errrrrrrr. She always knew that. So she will now go after his Crown Jewels.

Chris
Chris
July 22, 2023 3:18 pm

Bordeaux has a very sleazy quarter

Damn, I didn’t look hard enough.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 22, 2023 3:19 pm

The Abos got off preety lightly.

What about The Frontier Wars – the new myth taking shape to serve an agenda.

And what happened near Perth?

Johnny Rotten
July 22, 2023 3:19 pm

Razey
Jul 22, 2023 3:13 PM
Bordeaux has a very sleazy quarter

Hunchback owns a house there?

Along with Tennis Elbow and many others.

Vicki
Vicki
July 22, 2023 3:21 pm

A well argued argument against The Voice by Nicolas Holt (in The Modern Enquirer)

Nicholas Holt—July 21, 2023

The most naive proposal in Australian political history could be the Voice to Parliament.

This seemingly well-intentioned idea, presented with all the utopian fervour of a new-age cult, promises to address all historical injustices by granting Australia’s Indigenous population a dedicated “voice” in parliamentary matters.

Grandiose ideals often stumble upon the rocks of reality, and this proposal, in its current form, is no exception.

The Voice remains shrouded in ambiguity, like the prologue of an Agatha Christie novel. Despite its prominence in public discourse, there is a stark lack of specificity regarding its scope, power, and mode of operation.

The extraordinary lack of clarity raises major concerns about how the Voice will function and what impact it will have on Australia’s broader political landscape.

For such a crucial matter as ‘Indigenous representation’, one would think it would be imperative to have a comprehensive and explicit understanding of what the “Voice” actually entails.

The word itself, “Voice,” remains glaringly undefined in legalistic terms. Despite the fervent debates and discussions surrounding its implementation, there is a conspicuous absence of a precise and formal definition within the proposed legislation or constitutional amendments.

A deliberate lack of a legal definition regarding the “Voice” would imply a calculated ambiguity on Labor’s behalf, leaving ample room for interpretation.

Advocates argue that this voice will be purely advisory and have no legislative power, but why should anyone believe this to be true? Political entities seldom remain stagnant in their quest for influence.

History has taught us that once such entities are established, their appetite for power rarely remains restrained. It is a slippery slope from advisory roles to demands for actual legislative power, leading to division and acrimony within the nation.

Is it an advisory body with no legislative power, as we are assured, or an underhanded gambit concealing aspirations of unchecked authority?

The practicality of implementing this voice also remains highly suspiscious. Our parliamentary system already incorporates democratic representation through elected officials.

Would these representatives be elected or appointed? By whom and under what criteria? These unanswered questions amplify the unexamined nature of this proposal.

Practicality, it seems, has been abandoned at the altar of virtue signalling. Our current democratic system, flawed as it may be, already affords representation to all citizens, irrespective of their background.

To inject an additional layer of representation solely based on ancestry, without a clearly defined democratic mandate, constitutes a direct challenge to the principles of which our politicians assert themselves the custodians of.

The unintended consequence of this voice looms large—a segregated political structure that further alienates aborigines from their fellow citizens.

In the name of reconciliation, we risk erecting barriers that would undermine the unity we should be striving for. What folly it is to believe that true progress emerges from division, rather than the forging of a common destiny.

The proponents may argue that this voice will be a unifying force, amplifying the concerns of Aboriginal communities. But this fanciful notion overlooks the vast array of voices and perspectives that exist within these diverse communities.

Reducing them to a monolithic entity serves only to patronise and undermine their individuality.

The deployment of divisive tactics, such as labelling opposition as “racist,” by proponents of the Voice is a telltale sign of their inability to provide a coherent and well-defined explanation of the proposal.

Resorting to such derogatory accusations not only exposes a lack of substantive arguments but also reveals a disconcerting willingness to silence dissent through character assassination.

It is an unsettling irony that those who champion inclusivity and reconciliation resort to such divisive tactics. By demonising those who seek clarification and substantive answers, they undermine the very principles they claim to uphold.

Critics of the Voice to Parliament are not opposed to addressing Indigenous issues; on the contrary, most believe in engaging in an open and respectful dialogue to find solutions that genuinely uplift and empower Indigenous communities while upholding the foundational principles that unite all Australians.

If proponents of the Voice genuinely seek national unity and inclusivity, they must rise above the politics of division and engage in a thoughtful exchange of ideas.

A clear and well-defined proposal can only be the product of such an intellectually honest and respectful discourse—one that addresses the complexities of Indigenous representation and lays the foundation for a future built on mutual understanding and respect for all Australians.

cohenite
July 22, 2023 3:32 pm

Are you saying a pre-nup might carry weight in the FCA?

They are presumptively binding in the FCA (s.90B FLA 195) but the FCA takes great delight in shredding them on the grounds of fairness.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 22, 2023 3:39 pm

And what happened near Perth?

“Battle” of Pinjarra – 1834. A Noongar camp was attacked by a party of settlers and police, led by the then Governor, James Stirling – about twenty or so of said settlers and police. (Now the “Pinjarra Massacre” where anywhere up to eighty Noongars were killed.)

Pogria
Pogria
July 22, 2023 3:40 pm

Apparently Yummy Stains kiddie sex book is a runaway best seller. Bought by every Paedo in Oz to prove to their latest victim that everything they are doing is “normal”.

Bazinga
Bazinga
July 22, 2023 3:50 pm

What if she is a Barbie?

If she wants to be a Barbie she can be a Barbie.

‘I’m a plus-size Barbie fanatic – people tell me to go to the gym but I ignore them’ (21 Jul)

Mattel should sue

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 22, 2023 3:55 pm

Thanks, Zulu.

Johnny Rotten
July 22, 2023 3:56 pm

Mother Lode
Jul 22, 2023 3:19 PM
The Abos got off preety lightly.

What about The Frontier Wars – the new myth taking shape to serve an agenda.

And what happened near Perth?

The Aborigine SkyLab landed on it…………….lol.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 22, 2023 3:56 pm

Unfortunately for Sparkles he’s the meal ticket, not her.

Now, there is a separation where the bride will get zilch.
By zilch, I mean nothing of legacy Royal Family assets.
For example, they were ‘given’ Frogmore ‘Cottage’. However, they were given use of the property, but not freehold title.
And I suspect this was one of the triggers for the self exile. Sparkles figured out that she had no ownership of assets, and no control over their use. Imagine the foot-stamping when she offers use of one of ‘their’ properties to Oprah or Serena, only to have the Palace say, “Yeah, but nah.”
So the only pool of assets to distribute would be what the Sparkles have ‘earnt’ from Netflix, Oprah etc.

Bazinga
Bazinga
July 22, 2023 3:57 pm

Daily Mail.

Resolve Political Survey on the Indigenous Voice to Parliament

That it isnt a resolute “hell no” means half our population are idiots on this point.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 4:07 pm

Barry
Jul 22, 2023 3:12 PM
Map of all the battles in recorded history (acc. to WikiP)

The Abos got off preety lightly.

But, but, but, “it has been estimated” that more than 100,000 aborigines died in the “Frontier Wars”. Why has WikiP ignored the many battlefields where those brave indigenes died?

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
July 22, 2023 4:07 pm

Holt exhorted:

seemingly well-intentioned idea

Why is there any need to pay such tokenistic pleasantries to the In-Voice?
It is not a “seemingly well-intentioned idea” merely let down by bad execution and ambiguous deliverables.
The Yes-case’s stated desired outcomes are governments “listening to advice from Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people”, funding of “Indigenous health, education, employment and housing”, and politically “recognising Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people”.
Never mind the mechanism, which is a voice to parliament, the stated intended end goal of the In-Voice is to give greater money, representation, and influence over law, policy, and public service execution, to one particular race of people over all others.
It’s racist in the intention. It is not a well-intentioned idea. Not even seemingly so. It’s a wrong-intentioned idea.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 22, 2023 4:07 pm

I think the real issue is the ownership structure wouldn’t pass muster for ASX listing.

Would be true of many listed US stocks. Nothing to see here.

Johnny Rotten
July 22, 2023 4:08 pm

t is impossible to live a pleasant life without living wisely and well and justly. And it is impossible to live wisely and well and justly without living a pleasant life.

– Epicurus

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 22, 2023 4:10 pm

But, but, but, “it has been estimated” that more than 100,000 aborigines died in the “Frontier Wars”.

“Guesstimated…”

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
July 22, 2023 4:11 pm

That it isnt a resolute “hell no” means half our population are idiots on this point.

The fact that the yes case is pure feelz and zero logic is telling you how big a fraction of the population is capable of analytic thought. Not much analytic thought, but some. But let’s find out how the vote goes.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 4:15 pm

dover0beach
Jul 22, 2023 3:25 PM
Funny you should say that, BJ. monty just appeared on my twitter feed and had a Custer at the Alamo moment in response to my retweet of the above.

What did he say?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 22, 2023 4:16 pm

From what I can make out the Resolve Political Monitor, the people behind the cited survey, have an ongoing relationship with the Shake My Head, and The Aged.

That in itself does not prove bias survey techniques, but I can’t imagine Fauxfacts having much use for surveys that might undermine their silly progressive agenda.

Still, does anybody know anything beyond my mere supposition?

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 22, 2023 4:19 pm

A clear and well-defined proposal can only be the product of such an intellectually honest and respectful discourse—one that addresses the complexities of Indigenous representation and lays the foundation for a future built on mutual understanding and respect for all Australians.

That’s waffle.
98% of Indigenous are mixed Race, and the actual Australian Natives make up a Sixth of 1 % of Australia’s population.
Have we gotta to have an intellectually honest and respectful discourse with Gypsies or Sri Lankans?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 22, 2023 4:22 pm

cohenite
Jul 22, 2023 3:32 PM
Are you saying a pre-nup might carry weight in the FCA?

They are presumptively binding in the FCA (s.90B FLA 195) but the FCA takes great delight in shredding them on the grounds of fairness.

OK.
They got married in 2010.
Atlassian listed in 2015 at USD 27.50.
It is now at USD 174.20 … as you say, in defiance of the laws of physics.
So, yes, expect some ‘seasonal adjustment’ to any pre-nup, particularly if it contains raw numbers.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
July 22, 2023 4:23 pm

Head Case wrote rhetorically:

Have we gotta have an intellectually honest and respectful discourse with Gypsies or Sri Lankans?

Yes. I’m all for Sri Lankan fertiliser truth and reconciliation.

Pogria
Pogria
July 22, 2023 4:26 pm

aaaah, I hate reading this crap. Guns do NOT “accidentally” discharge. Particularly if you are a “Firearms Safety Instructor”.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12325419/Chicago-firearms-safety-instructor-61-accidentally-shoots-dead-wife-60-cleaning-gun-turns-weapon-himself.html

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 22, 2023 4:28 pm

H B Bear
Jul 22, 2023 4:07 PM
I think the real issue is the ownership structure wouldn’t pass muster for ASX listing.

Would be true of many listed US stocks. Nothing to see here.

That’s even true of NYSE stocks, but Nasdaq is something else.
It is all a bit confusing until you realise that Bernie Madoff was once Nasdaq chairman.

calli
calli
July 22, 2023 4:34 pm

I believe wine glasses and spoons make people fat, Pogria.

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 22, 2023 4:34 pm

But, but, but, “it has been estimated” that more than 100,000 aborigines died in the “Frontier Wars”.

Should be ‘were murdered’, but that’s still on the low side.
The Frontier Wars spanned 100+ years, spears versus rifles, you could easily triple that.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 22, 2023 4:34 pm

Vicki
Jul 22, 2023 2:43 PM

Feel sorry for Checo Perez. Must be having to be No2 driver to Maxie. But he really messed up practice on virtually the first lap.

Then, with retricted tyres available during this race, Checo blew it in P2 with that massive lock up on right front tyre – flat spotting and crueling data collection – Christian Horner has not looked happy.

But Kudos to Red Bull, and whoever in Red Bull reacted to the video of the young kid in a Checo Hat with his Dad in a Max hat in the open air stands, crying when Checo put it in the wall at the start of P1. and invited them as VIPs into the Red Bull Garage – Turned out they were from Budapest & D ad had attended 20 Hungarian F1 GPs and it was his son’s first.

Pogria
Pogria
July 22, 2023 4:35 pm

Calli,
😀 😀 😀 😀

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 22, 2023 4:37 pm

aaaah, I hate reading this crap. Guns do NOT “accidentally” discharge.

It’s dinned into the lowliest cook’s assistant who ever pulled on a pair of boots and picked up a rifle – physically check the weapon is unloaded before cleaning.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 22, 2023 4:38 pm

Kudos to Red Bull, and whoever in Red Bull reacted to the video of the young kid in a Checo Hat

Gasp!
The kid was wearing a sombrero?
Cultural appropriation.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 22, 2023 4:39 pm

Should be ‘were murdered’, but that’s still on the low side.
The Frontier Wars spanned 100+ years, spears versus rifles, you could easily triple that.

The fact that there has never been the slightest forensic evidence of any such slaughter doesn’t count?

JC
JC
July 22, 2023 4:40 pm

I read on Twitter that someone has started a “handyman” business in California that only employees females, trannies and lesbians.

Someone in the comments said:

Dunno, I think I want to pay to see that circus. After making sure they’re insured, I would even bring out the popcorn maker.

Pogria
Pogria
July 22, 2023 4:40 pm

Reading head case’s increasingly bizarre “facts”, reminds me of my former stepdaughter who is Downe’s Syndrome.
After many years of therapy, she was able to make toast and change her sanitary napkins.
Ed, does someone else still have to change your sanitary napkins?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 22, 2023 4:44 pm

Ed, does someone else still have to change your sanitary napkins?

El roll ap die vloor..

calli
calli
July 22, 2023 4:44 pm

We are in an area between the looooong shopping street and St Michel basilica and tower. The Uni is in the street behind us. When the cabbie dropped us off (having driven down a grubby one land bolt hole) I thought my day was complete – we had rented an apartment for three nights in a slum.

Not so. It’s just all narrow and a bit grubby, with a lot of garages off the lanes. Once out in the open, the place is beautiful. The plan today is to walk up Sainte Catherine and back down the quai for a gawp at the Place de la Bourse etc.

Our car drop off point was adjacent to the gigantic railway station. Now that’s a seedy looking area, now being torn up for roadworks and gentrification.

We had dinner last night under the Fleche St Michel – sadly it’s under restoration and clothed with scaffolding. It will be lovely when finished. The old basilica behind is still awaiting a good tub. Wouldn’t mind going in to have a look – it appears to be ancient.

calli
calli
July 22, 2023 4:45 pm

one lane

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 22, 2023 4:55 pm

Kidnapped American teen rescued after using ‘help me’ sign
July 22, 2023 — 11.55am

Long Beach, United States: A 13-year-old girl kidnapped in the US state of Texas and sexually assaulted was rescued in southern California when passersby saw her hold up a “help me” sign in a parked car, police and federal authorities said.

The rescue occurred July 9 in Long Beach, south of Los Angeles, when officers responded to a trouble call and found the “visibly emotional and distressed girl”, police said in a press release.

“Through their investigation, officers learned the good Samaritans were in a parking lot when they saw the victim in a parked vehicle holding up a piece of paper with ‘help me’ written on it. They acknowledged the note and immediately called [the police],” the release said.

Steven Robert Sablan, 61, was arrested and was indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of kidnapping and transportation of a minor with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, according to the US attorney’s office in Los Angeles.

Sablan was being held at the federal Metropolitan Detention Centre in downtown LA. It was not immediately known if he had an attorney.

The girl was walking down a street in San Antonio, Texas, on July 6 when Sablan drove up, raised a black handgun and told her, “If you don’t get in the car with me, I am going to hurt you,” an FBI agent wrote in an affidavit supporting the criminal complaint.

According to the account, the girl had left home without telling her parents because she was attempting to visit a school friend who had moved to Australia a year earlier but kept in touch through an internet chatroom.

At some point after getting in Sablan’s car, the girl told him about her friend and Sablan said he could take her to a cruise ship to go to Australia, but that she would have to do something for him, the affidavit said.

The suspect stopped the car and sexually assaulted the girl, who told him to stop but was scared that she would be hurt if she did not comply, the agent wrote.

Sablan sexually assaulted the girl several more times on the drive from San Antonio through New Mexico and Arizona and into California, the affidavit said. Meanwhile, the girl’s mother reported her missing to San Antonio authorities on July 7.

In Long Beach, the suspect parked at a laundromat and told the girl to change her clothes, then took her clothes and his inside, creating the opportunity for the girl to write “help me” on a piece of note paper, according to the document.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 22, 2023 5:03 pm

I didn’t plan to do an update on the other SMO developments today, but seeing as how we’re already here, why not bring ourselves up to speed on some of the more pressing things.

Most interesting today was Putin’s remarks on the Polish situation, where he echoed much of what I’ve been writing about recently. In short, the situation is turning dire with Ukrainian ‘meat’ running out, Polish-Lithuanian meat will be next up on the menu as far as NATO’s gameplan is concerned:

This is striking because it appears to be the first time that Putin himself has addressed this issue in such a forthright and direct manner. The fact that Putin himself is addressing it so openly now, after months of SVR and other lower end officials laying hints, means that things must really be spiraling in this direction.

Note that, inherent to Putin’s remarks above, appears to be a not-so-subtle ‘threat’ toward Poland, where he offered a reminder that some of its lands were in fact generously gifted by Stalin—the clear implication being: the lord giveth and the lord taketh away.

Given Putin’s very robust words above, the repositioning of Wagner troops to Belarus, as well as the recent statements of the Duma defense committee chair about Wagner’s Suwalki Gap purpose, this gives a new dimension to these developments.

In line with the above video, below is a summarization of Putin’s main points from his speech:

. Kyiv’s Western handlers make no secret of their disappointment with the results of the so-called counter-offensive.

. Ukraine is depleting its mobilization resource. Stockpiles of Western weapons are depleted and technological capabilities are limited.

. The command of the special operation shows professionalism, soldiers and officers courageously perform their duty, and Western “invulnerable” equipment burns perfectly on the battlefield.

. Public opinion in Ukraine is gradually changing, and the population is “gradually coming to its senses”, and attitudes in Europe are also changing.

. Dragging out the Ukrainian conflict is beneficial to US elites.

. The independence of Poland after the Second World War was largely restored thanks to the participation of the USSR.

. The western territories of today’s Poland are Stalin’s gift to the Poles.

. Russia sees that the Kyiv regime is ready to use any means to “preserve its corrupt nature.”

. Traitors in Ukraine are ready to “open the gates” for foreign influential forces in the West and sell the country again.

. Polish leaders appear to be seeking to form a coalition under the NATO umbrella to intervene in the conflict in Ukraine and take a large piece of territory for themselves.

. Poland also wants to seize part of the land in Belarus, unleashing a war by the Poles against the Union State automatically implies a war against Russia.

. Putin instructed the head of the Foreign Intelligence Service, Naryshkin, to monitor Poland’s plans for Ukraine.

. Poland seized part of Lithuania, seized its historical lands from Russia and participated in the division of Czechoslovakia, taking advantage of the civil war.

. Russia will fight back with all available means in case of Western aggression against Belarus.

And here’s French journalist Jean-Dominique Marchais on French TV stating that Poland is preparing to take West Ukraine:

French journalist Jean-Dominique Marchais – on Poland’s preparations to invade western Ukraine: I confirm that there are reflections, particularly in Poland and in the Baltic States, about the creation of one of the multinational divisions, let’s say including Ukrainian forces, Polish forces, if Russia could break through the front and resume the offensive there. I think there would indeed be such a division, as Poland and others, they would send troops outside of NATO.

Jean-Dominique Merchet cites many official sources. This is not the first time this possibility has been mentioned. A few weeks ago Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the former head of NATO, already confirmed this with our Guardian colleagues: ‘We know that Poland is very committed to supporting Ukraine, and I don’t rule out that Poland will be more involved on a national basis and that the Baltic states will follow with a possible ground troop intervention’.”

Recall my recent exegeses on this very topic and how the Polish-Lithuanian situation has been developing under the surface. Recall the main points about how Ukraine has run out of big ‘milestones’ to look forward to in order to save the AFU in some way, whether it’s new wunderwaffen, key NATO summits, falseflag opportunities, etc.

That means as Russia ratchets up the pressure in the near future, and the AFU begins to collapse, the forces of which Putin is talking about will begin to truly ramp up toward a potential major escalation. One interesting thing Putin noted was that there are particular ‘traitors’ in Ukraine who are acting as the ‘postern gate openers’ to let in Polish forces.

One possibility I can see—which is in line with my earliest predictions from the very first two or three reports I made here—is that once Russia captures the Donbass or everything east of the Dnieper, if at that point the AFU still has the morale and wherewithal to continue the fight, they could retreat to the right bank and make a bastion of it there. Then, Poland can enter in the west of the country under a special deal with the collapsing Ukrainian government which will basically quid pro quo trade sovereignty of the western lands for ‘Polish protection’.

Note that months ago I already reported on rumors that Poland could offer to “temporarily” take some of the western territories under its full governmental protection ostensibly to prevent Russia from ‘attacking’ them. This is one of the oldest tricks in the book used by the likes of Erdogan in Idlib and North Syria, for instance, to actuate a full annexation of a desired land under the guise of some sort of ‘temporary’ protectorate. This is the most likely way that Poland would enter the conflict in the medium term future, at least initially—then it could develop from there depending on how Russia reacts to this and other exigencies.

This comes on the heels of the following news, as well:

Poland to move military formations from the west to the east of the country due to possible threats related to the Wagner group, Poland’s press agency reports – Reuters

Now, a few quick updates on the grain deal corridor situation.

Russian UN representative Polyansky re-iterated that vessels traveling toward Odessa will be regarded by Russia as potentially carrying weaponry to the Kiev regime:

Russian Duma deputy Petr Tolstoy promisingly stated:

Petr Tolstoy, Deputy of the State Duma of Russia: “Withdrawal from the grain deal is a big step forward for Russia. Now we need to take full control over the entire northern coast of the Black Sea, depriving Ukraine of access to it. We need to hit not only the port, but also the military infrastructure, not looking back at the howl that has risen to the west of our missile strikes. This is just gray noise.”

Some have expressed the concern that Ukraine can simply transport the grain by rail cargo to Romania’s port of Galati, and that’s true to an extent. However, today I saw the figure that doing so would halve Ukraine’s monthly grain exports. There may be other even larger obstacles that preclude this as well.

As for the strikes—Russia did a new round of strikes last night with Onyx missiles, as well as others. There were reported hits, such as this confirmation from a Nikolayev underground/partisan network member, who relayed that one such strike reportedly hit a mercenary base with many casualties:

Today, targets continued to be hit all over the country, including this spectacular explosion in Zhitomir, which was said to have been caused by a Geran drone:

If you look closely you can see a huge amount of sparkling secondaries, which some have astutely pointed out could be the new shipments of American cluster munitions going off in the fire.

Also, Russia has been using a lot of Onyx missiles in the last few strikes, which Ukrainian airforce spokesman admitted are un-interceptable for the AFU, given their extreme near-Mach 3 speed:
Most risible about that is the fact that just earlier they claimed to be routinely taking out Russian Kinzhal missiles which are said to travel upwards of Mach 10.

So, they shot down “13 Kinzhals” at Mach 10, but can’t shoot down a single P-800 Onyx at Mach ~2. Only in Ukraine!

Also, it should be noted that Russian ex-General Evgeny Buzhinsky has stated that the Odessa strikes were actually already planned even before the Kerch Bridge attack, and that the real retaliatory attacks for that are still being finalized and will take place in the near future:

Apart from that, there’ve been more videos of the mass destruction of Ukrainian armor on every frontline, including this M2 Bradley graveyard:

Lastly, a little Western news headline wrap up to get a sense of current sentiments:

Not only is the window closing, but they’re seeing three times as many casualties as months ago. That’s saying a lot, considering that months ago was the Bakhmut meatgrinder where Ukrainian casualties were at historic highs.

It’s no surprise that there’s been more and more news coming out about the developing cemetery problems in Ukraine. For instance:

Also, Ukrainian minister of veteran affairs revealed a frightening projected figure for the number of expected veterans from this war for Ukraine:

. “Frightening figure”: 4 million is exactly how many veterans will be in Ukraine after the end of the war, – Minister of Veterans Affairs

. “Our predicted number after the victory is that there will be at least 4 million such people,” said Y. Laputina.

. “The figure is very frightening, because it is more than 4 times higher than the current strength of the Armed Forces of Ukraine,” the Ukrainian media comment on the news.

This could point to the fact that Ukraine is actually both utilizing and losing far more men than we can imagine.

JMH
JMH
July 22, 2023 5:04 pm

Re. the The Communications Legislation Amendment (Combating Misinformation and Disinformation) Bill 2023. I really think we should be flooding https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/have-your-say/new-acma-powers-combat-misinformation-and-disinformation -“We want your input” with the kitchen sink of sludge thrown at them. This thing must not become a reality.

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 22, 2023 5:07 pm

The fact that there has never been the slightest forensic evidence of any such slaughter doesn’t count?

Hundreds of eyewitness acounts from Government Officials who accompanied the Queensland Native Mounted Police.
That’s only from one State over a period of 40 years.
The QNMP were only formed due to reports of huge massacres by squatters on the Macintyre.

JMH
JMH
July 22, 2023 5:08 pm

Re. my aboce. We have till August 6th to submit or comment. Yes. I will be submitting.

JMH
JMH
July 22, 2023 5:09 pm

Bloody hell: *above*

C.L.
C.L.
July 22, 2023 5:12 pm

I wonder if Bolt, Sheridan and The Australian’s editorial writer will continue to denigrate Trump for his “false claim” that the 2020 election was rigged.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 22, 2023 5:12 pm

The fact that there has never been the slightest forensic evidence of any such slaughter doesn’t count?

Hundreds of eyewitness acounts from Government Officials who accompanied the Queensland Native Mounted Police.

JC
JC
July 22, 2023 5:14 pm

Karen

What good do you really think a Blix-like achieves? Other than feeling satisfaction in fulminating with a Blix letter, do you think it would change the course of history?

You’re such an angry little eggnog.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 22, 2023 5:15 pm

Finished my annual rewatch of “M”.
Awesome old film. And again is a story where everyone acts intelligently and does intelligent things trying to catch the killers.
I’d love to know just how a beggars union worked- typical boxheads- even the lowest in society are organised like a regiment.

It’s the father of all police procedurals nearly every trope of a modern detective film is there.

JC
JC
July 22, 2023 5:16 pm

I wonder if Bolt, Sheridan and The Australian’s editorial writer will continue to denigrate Trump for his “false claim” that the 2020 election was rigged.

Sheridan wrote a pretty decent piece today about the strong showing by European conservative parties.

Rabz
July 22, 2023 5:19 pm

IMF cancels speaking engagement for 2022 Nobel prize winner in physics for saying: “I don’t believe there is a climate crisis.”

Ah, good ol’ gerbil worming – so dead and discredited that anyone not screeching hysterically about it (no matter their credentials) must be shut down.

35 years of fact and evidence free anti-scientific horse manure, Cats.

I hated physics and chemistry at school and yet put up with it because of a distinct lack of choice.

Little did I realise what I learned back then, particularly about the “Scientific Method” would come in so handy later in life. Just like my first year accounting would prove to be a lot more practical in my perfessional life than all the keynesian economic hypotheses I had to wade through (with a consistency of mud) completing my degree.

Gerbil Worming is a crock of shite and Idiocracy is a documentary.

If you don’t like those indisputable facts, then feel free to manufacture your own.

After all, everyone seems to be doing so nowadays.

JC
JC
July 22, 2023 5:22 pm

Hopeful rise of the new European conservatism

Greece’s conservative Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis won re-election. Minor parties further to the right won small vote shares, writes Greg Sheridan.
Greece’s conservative Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis won re-election. Minor parties further to the right won small vote shares, writes Greg Sheridan.

“The real reason people are conservative is because they are attached to the things they love.”

– English philosopher Roger Scruton

“We don’t stand with Ukraine because we like the war. We stand with Ukraine because what we want to defend is stronger than the fear of war.”
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– Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni

“I do not love the bright sword for its sharp edge, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I only love that which I defend.”

– JRR Tolkien, author of The Lord of the Rings

In Sunday’s Spanish national election, Socialist Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez is likely to be replaced by conservative Opposition Leader Alberto Nunez Feijoo. But perhaps the most fascinating result will be how well populist right-wing upstart party Vox does.

Transfixed as we are in this country with US politics, and to a lesser extent their British cousin, we are in danger of missing a big trend across much of Europe – the revival of conservative political fortunes.

As of writing, Vox is running well over 10 per cent in the national polls. It’s routinely described as far right. The label far right is problematic and doesn’t properly capture the range and newly mainstream quality of the emerging right-wing parties in Europe. Some of them are extreme, many are not. It’s better, I think, to call them national conservative parties.

Labelling them far right is an effort to rule them out of the debate. That effort has now failed.

Vox is reasonably representative of the national conservative parties, but each party, and each national context, is distinct. A Vox election video featured its leader riding a horse into battle to background music from the film version of The Lord of the Rings. Vox is fiercely concerned with Spanish national sovereignty. It wants tough controls on illegal immigration. It strenuously opposes Catalan independence. It defends traditional Spanish culture. It would like Spaniards to have more children.

It has two slightly odd wrinkles. Its economic policy is more pro-free market than most such parties. And it rejects not only gender fluidity ideology but also a good bit of modern feminism, arguing that laws should not distinguish between men and women except when obviously necessary.

Its critics would say it has connections to the dictatorship of General Francisco Franco. But Franco’s regime ended with his death in the mid-1970s. Vox leaders are not old enough to have played a role in Franco’s rule. And they don’t suggest any return to Franco-era policies. But neither do they accept the left’s version of Spanish history, which too often fraudulently valorises the communists in the Spanish civil war of the 1930s.

Just lately, conservatives have been winning a lot of elections in Europe. Last month, Greece’s conservative Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis won re-election. Minor parties further to the right won small vote shares. In last year’s Swedish election the leftists were thrown out and conservative Ulf Kristersson became Prime Minister. His government depends on support from the Sweden Democrats. The Sweden Democrats are the second largest party in parliament, with 73 out of 349 members of parliament.

Some of its founders were neo-Nazis and white supremacists. But, like other national conservative parties, it purged its ranks of such people and moderated its policies. Now its signature obsession is with much stricter immigration controls, especially of Muslim migrants from the Middle East and North Africa. It also opposes multiculturalism and wants government and society to promote Swedish national identity. Unlike some other national conservative parties, it supports gay marriage.

In Finland this year the Social Democratic Party-led government was ousted in favour of a conservative coalition that includes the Finns Party, which ran strongly against immigration from outside Europe and on harsh criticism of the EU.

In The Netherlands in provincial elections in March a newly formed farmers party won 20 per cent of the vote campaigning against climate change restrictions on farmers.

But the greatest triumph of the new national conservative parties came in Italy’s election last September. This catapaulted the charismatic and fascinating Giorgia Meloni to the prime ministership. She founded her party, the Brothers of Italy. Its antecedents had some fascist roots but she and the party condemn the abuses of fascism robustly and unequivocally.
Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni. Picture: AFP
Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni. Picture: AFP

She ran under the slogan “God, homeland and family”. Like most national conservatives, she is more than a bit Eurosceptic. None of the Eurosceptics now argue for their nations to leave the EU altogether. Paradoxically, Brexit has put an end to that movement, at least for now. The EU made the Brexit process itself so difficult and costly; and the Brits have, until Rishi Sunak became Prime Minister, run a pretty ramshackle government after they got Brexit.

But that doesn’t mean European Euroscepticism is over. Instead the various national governments influenced by conservatives resist, sometimes fiercely, EU encroachments on their legitimate sovereignty, especially over issues such as border control.

Meloni takes a hard line against illegal immigration. Unlike some other European national conservatives, she is devotedly Atlanticist and pro-NATO. She was open to better relations with Vladimir Putin’s Russia until Putin’s insane invasion of Ukraine. Since then she has become a fierce critic of Putin and supporter of Ukraine.

On social issues, Meloni is conservative but not taking any radically conservative actions. She is, like most national conservatives, strong on law and order, on anti-crime measures. She also links illegal immigration to crime. She is anti-abortion but is not trying to change Italy’s law on abortion. She accepts Italy’s provisions guaranteeing same-sex civil unions. But she won’t move to the formal institution of gay marriage. And, like all the European national conservatives, she doesn’t want gender fluidity and the like taught to schoolchildren.

She once provocatively declared: “I am Giorgia, I am a woman, I am a mother, I am Italian, I am a Christian, you won’t take it from me.” A decade ago she wrote: “I am a right-wing woman and I proudly support women’s issues. In recent years we have had to suffer contempt and racism from feminists.” Meloni is not everyone’s cup of tea, but to call her or her government far right is ridiculous.

If every party is to be judged by the worst excesses of its past, or the past of its antecedents, few would pass muster. In truth it’s a standard applied only to right-wing parties, which the liberal establishment wants to keep out of the debate.

Sinn Fein a few short decades ago explicitly supported terrorism. It could form the government of the Republic of Ireland after the next election. Its rivals in Northern Ireland, the Democratic Unionist Party, come from a party that was viciously and violently sectarian a century ago.

The US Democratic Party supported slavery before and during the American civil war and violently opposed civil rights for African-Americans for many decades after the civil war.

The Australian Labor Party was led, until 1967, by Arthur Calwell, who passionately supported racial discrimination in immigration selection under the White Australia policy and famously cracked: “Two Wongs don’t make a white.” Indeed, a decade ago Labor was opposed to gay marriage. Yet in some cases this in itself can be enough to get a party labelled far right.

John O’Sullivan, president of the Danube Institute in Budapest, argues in an essay, When Liberal Democracy Becomes an Ideology, in his volume The Woke versus the West, that the term liberal democracy has been redefined to become coercive and radically different from what it meant historically.

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Italian PM Giorgia Meloni making efforts to solve ‘population crisis’
Legal Academic Rocco Loiacono says Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni has tried to make some efforts to solve…

Under its traditional meaning liberal democracy, O’Sullivan writes, “is a set of rules designed to ensure that government rests on the consent of the governed. Except within the broadest limits, it does not inherently dictate what policies should emerge from government, or what social arrangements should be tolerated or prohibited.” More recently, he suggests, liberal democracy has been redefined in some circles to embrace a whole raft of specific, ultra-progressive, indeed radical, social practices and environmental policies too. Any departure from these policies, even within a fully democratic society, can be labelled as far right or as the negation of liberal democracy.

It was considerations such as this that led Hungary’s Prime Minister, Viktor Orban, to coin the ugly term for his nation’s political experiment “illiberal democracy”. Now the Hungarian government argues instead just that it is a conservative democracy. Canberra doesn’t regard the Budapest government as authoritarian but disagrees with some of its social policies.

These mostly amount to a concerted effort to offer financial support to encourage Hungarian families to have more children. And as with most European conservatives, there are limits to gender fluid and LGBTI material in education and, in Hungary’s case, on daytime TV, though there are no unreasonable laws about people’s privacy or personal behaviour.

Poland, too, is at political war with the EU over a raft of issues, even as support for Ukraine has drawn Warsaw closer to Brussels. With Hungary, Poland is the marker of defiance of woke social policy and national submission to the EU.

Poland is refusing the insane effort of the EU to forcibly distribute irregular immigrants among the member countries. This policy can never work anyway because wherever immigrants are initially put, or notionally settled, they are free to travel to their preferred destination nations – mostly Britain, France and Germany because of their generous welfare provisions. But Poland is not a nation lacking in generosity. It has welcomed nearly seven million Ukrainians fleeing conflict and something like 1.5 million Ukrainians have stayed permanently in Poland. But Warsaw sees what uncontrolled Middle Eastern and North African immigration has done to France and Sweden in terms of crime and defiance of the police, and to a lesser extent to Germany and Britain, and it’s determined not to repeat that experience. Warsaw believes EU membership doesn’t require surrender of control over immigration from outside the EU.

Germany and France are not immune to the conservative revival either. The opposition Christian Democrats now lead Germany’s ruling Social Democrats in the polls. However, also ahead of the Social Democrats is the Alternative for Germany, a conservative party that in many ways does more fully justify the label far right. It has a more odiously pro-Putin element to it. It is only a few points behind the Christian Democrats. Its support comes overwhelmingly from the poorer eastern parts of Germany. Its signature issue is immigration and it represents people who feel the German government, and the EU consensus, doesn’t represent or care about them and holds their views and life experience in contempt.

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Greek conservatives storm to victory in election
Greece’s conservative New Democracy party stormed to victory in a parliamentary election on Sunday (June 25)…

Meanwhile in France Marine Le Pen’s National Rally has displaced the traditional centre-right parties. She has substantially increased her vote at every presidential election and could well win the French presidency next time. She too is a Eurosceptic nationalist opposed to unregulated immigration that she, quite reasonably, ties to crime.

One striking feature of the conservative revival in Europe is that in many cases the new national conservatives have displaced the traditional conservatives, as in France and Italy, or have become so strong that they must be included in coalition, as in Finland, or in parliamentary support arrangements, as in Sweden. It will be fascinating to watch if Spain’s mainstream conservatives, the People’s Party, are forced into coalition with Vox.

The national conservatives, the new right parties, have changed the definition of what is centre-right and what it is acceptable to say. Meloni is not scared to talk of God. She is a deeply earthed Italian but her major intellectual influences are Roger Scruton, GK Chesterton and JRR Tolkien. She indeed used the Scruton and Chesterton quotes at the top of this article in a seminal speech recently.

Three issues have driven the resurgence of European conservatives. The first is Middle East and North African immigration. It’s wrong to oversimplify this as blanket hostility to immigration altogether. Poland and Hungary have been happy to take large numbers of Ukrainians. Neither is it racial. Large Indian and Chinese minorities are not controversial. But, like John Howard and Tony Abbott, European conservatives believe their national governments have the right to determine who comes into their countries and that some people are more likely than others to settle constructively.

The second big issue does not get enough attention, and that is a growing revolt against the excessive costs and sheer unreality of so many EU climate change policies.

No European government stands against the idea of reducing greenhouse emissions, but many are turning against all kinds of climate policy overreach. Proposed nature restoration laws have been hugely watered down in the European parliament. Notwithstanding severe heat wave conditions, vastly costly regulations are being opposed and scaled back. Conservative politicians are increasingly setting a limit to the cost they will pay for green measures and the energy price rises they will put up with. If conservatives do well in next year’s European parliament elections this trend will accelerate, although it is national governments that count the most.

And the third issue driving the conservative resurgence is the sense that transnational wokeness in all its guises is an assault on the good traditions of European civilisation. Meloni, like many European conservatives, is not afraid to mention God and Christianity when talking about Italian, or even European, values.

Mario Fantini, the Vienna-based editor-in-chief of the European Conservative, tells me he thinks the Anglo-American tradition of conservatism rooted in Edmund Burke and Adam Smith, has less and less to say to contemporary society. European conservatism, more open about its religious roots and closer to ordinary people, has a lot to offer.

Of course, one big question is whether these conservative governments will be able to make any lasting and institutionalised changes. The EU itself is a tremendous force against democracy and will try to keep European governments bound in EU straitjackets.

The inspiration European conservatives take from Tolkien is fascinating. The Lord of the Rings is first of all a magnificent tale about good and evil. It’s a truly Western classic in that it cannot be properly appreciated without a knowledge of all its biblical motifs and references. But it’s also a tale of localism, of good people, friendly to all, but inspired to courage and sacrifice from love of their own societies and traditions.

The resurgence of European conservatism in a militantly woke age of seemingly endless progressive domination is as yet more promise than performance, but still full of hope.

Vicki
Vicki
July 22, 2023 5:23 pm

Sometimes we may think that we are slightly paranoid (can you be “slightly” paranoid?) about the nature of change (particularly in the areas of contro in our world.) If you need validation, listen to discussion with Jordan Peterson on this issue. Many will say – “Oh, he is a nut case, anyway” – well this discussion seems to make a lot o f sense to me in this increasingly crazy environment .

https://youtu.be/1a0lMF_rXw8

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 22, 2023 5:25 pm

From the Video of President Putin on Poland

Commenter posted Text following

Mike Hampton
Writes Same Shit, Different Government…
3 hr ago

Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service Sergei Naryshkin:

“Mr President, colleagues.

According to information provided to the service by several sources, officials in Warsaw are gradually coming to an understanding that no kind of Western assistance to Kiev can support Ukraine in reaching the goals of this assistance. Moreover, they are beginning to understand that Ukraine will be defeated in only the matter of time.

In this regard, the Polish authorities are getting more intent on taking the western parts of Ukraine under control by deploying their troops there. There are plans to present this measure as the fulfillment of allied obligations within the Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian security initiative, the so-called Lublin Triangle.

We see that plans also call for significantly increasing the number of personnel of the combined Lithuanian-Polish-Ukrainian brigade, which operates under the auspices of this so-called Lublin Triangle.

We believe that it is necessary to keep a close eye on these dangerous plans of the Polish authorities.”

Mike Hampton
Writes Same Shit, Different Government…
3 hr ago

Putin responds:

“Yes. We should elaborate on what Mr Naryshkin has just said. This information has already appeared in the European media, in particular, the French.

I believe it would be suitable in this context to also remind everyone about several history lessons from the 20th century.

It is clear today that the Western curators of the Kiev regime are certainly disappointed with the results of the counteroffensive that the current Ukrainian authorities announced in previous months. There are no results, at least for now. The colossal resources that were pumped into the Kiev regime, the supply of Western weapons, such as tanks, artillery, armoured vehicles and missiles, and the deployment of thousands of foreign mercenaries and advisers, who were most actively used in attempts to break through the front of our army, are not helping.

Meanwhile, the commanders of the special military operation are acting professionally. Our soldiers, officers and units are fulfilling their duty to the Motherland courageously, steadfastly and heroically. At the same time, the whole world sees that the vaunted Western, supposedly invulnerable, military equipment is on fire, and is often even inferior to some of the Soviet-made weapons in terms of its tactical and technical characteristics.

Yes, of course, more Western weapons can be supplied and thrown into battle. This, of course, causes us some damage and prolongs the conflict. But, firstly, NATO arsenals and stockpiles of old Soviet weapons in some countries are already largely depleted. And secondly, the West does not have the production capacities to quickly replenish the consumption of reserves of equipment and ammunition. Additional, large resources and time are needed.

The main thing is that formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine suffered huge losses as a result of self-destructive attacks: tens of thousands of people.

And, despite the constant raids and the incessant waves of total mobilisation in Ukrainian cities and villages, it is increasingly difficult for the current regime to send new soldiers to the front. The country’s mobilisation resource is being depleted.

People in Ukraine are asking a legitimate question more often: for what, for the sake of whose selfish interests, are their relatives and friends dying. Gradually, slowly, but clarity comes.

We can see the public opinion changing in Europe, too. Both the Europeans and European elites see that support for Ukraine is, in fact, a dead end, an empty, endless waste of money and effort, and in fact, serving someone else’s interests, which are far from European: the interests of the overseas global hegemon, which benefits from the weakening of Europe. The endless prolongation of the Ukrainian conflict is also beneficial to it.

Judging by the actual state of affairs, this is exactly what today’s US ruling elites are doing. Anyways, this is the logic they follow. It is largely questionable whether such a policy is in line with the American people’s true, vital interests; this is a rhetorical question, and it is up to them to decide.

However, massive efforts are being taken to stoke the fire of war – including by exploiting the ambitions of certain East European leaders, who have long turned their hatred for Russia and Russophobia into their key export commodity and a tool of their domestic policy. And now they want to capitalise on the Ukrainian tragedy.

In this regard, I cannot refrain from commenting on what has just been said and on media reports that have come out about plans to establish some sort of the so-called Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian unit. This is not about a group of mercenaries – there are plenty of them there and they are being destroyed – but about a well-organised, equipped regular military unit to be used for operations in Ukraine, including to allegedly ensure the security of today’s Western Ukraine – actually, to call things by their true name, for the subsequent occupation of these territories. The outlook is clear: in the event Polish forces enter, say, Lvov or other Ukrainian territories, they will stay there, and they will stay there for good.

And we will actually see nothing new. Just to remind you, following WWI, after the defeat of Germany and its allies, Polish units occupied Lvov and adjacent territories that had been part of Austria-Hungary.

With its actions incited by the West, Poland took advantage of the tragedy of the Civil War in Russia and annexed certain historical Russian provinces. In dire straits, our country had to sign the Treaty of Riga in 1921 and recognise the annexation of its territories.

Even earlier, back in 1920, Poland captured part of Lithuania – the Vilnius region, a territory surrounding the present-day Vilnius. So they claimed that they fought together with the Lithuanians against so-called Russian imperialism, but then immediately snatched a piece of land from their neighbour as soon as the opportunity presented itself.

As is well known, Poland also took part in the partition of Czechoslovakia following the Munich Agreement with Adolf Hitler in 1938, by fully occupying Cieszyn Silesia.

In the 1920-1930s, Poland’s Eastern Borderlands (Kresy) – a territory that comprises present-day Western Ukraine, Western Belarus and part of Lithuania – witnessed a tough policy of Polonisation and assimilation of local residents, with efforts to suppress local culture and Orthodoxy.

I would also like to remind you what Poland’s aggressive policy led to. It led to the national tragedy of 1939, when Poland’s Western allies threw it to the German wolf, the German miliary machine. Poland actually lost its independence and statehood, which were only restored thanks in a large measure to the Soviet Union. It was also thanks to the Soviet Union and thanks to Stalin’s position that Poland acquired substantial territory in the west, German territory. It is a fact that Poland’s western lands are a gift from Stalin.

Have our Warsaw friends forgotten this? We will remind them.

oday we see that the regime in Kiev is ready to go to any length to save its treacherous hide and to prolong its existence. They do not care for the people of Ukraine or Ukrainian sovereignty or national interests.

They are ready to sell anything, including people and land, just like their ideological forefathers led by Petlyura, who signed the so-called secret conventions with Poland in 1920 under which they ceded Galicia and Western Volhynia to Poland in return for military support. Traitors like them are ready now to open the gate to their foreign handlers and to sell Ukraine again.

As for the Polish leaders, they probably hope to form a coalition under the NATO umbrella in order to directly intervene in the conflict in Ukraine and to bite off as much as possible, to ‘regain,’ as they see it, their historical territories, that is, modern-day Western Ukraine. It is also common knowledge that they dream about Belarusian land.

Regarding the policy of the Ukrainian regime, it is none of our business. If they want to relinquish or sell off something in order to pay their bosses, as traitors usually do, that’s their business. We will not interfere.

But Belarus is part of the Union State, and launching an aggression against Belarus would mean launching an aggression against the Russian Federation. We will respond to that with all the resources available to us.

The Polish authorities, who are nurturing their revanchist ambitions, hide the truth from their people. The truth is that the Ukrainian cannon fodder is no longer enough for the West. That is why it is planning to use other expendables – Poles, Lithuanians and everyone else they do not care about.

I can tell you that this is an extremely dangerous game, and the authors of such plans should think about the consequences.

Mr Naryshkin, I hope that your service, just as the other special services, will closely monitor the developments.”

JMH
JMH
July 22, 2023 5:27 pm

JC
Jul 22, 2023 5:14 PM

Giuseppe the Harasser.

I have better things to do tonight than cater to your obsession with me. Go and put your flaccid phallus into the meat grinder for the benefit of us all. Get it over and done with. You have never and will never beat me.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 5:28 pm

Ed Case
Jul 22, 2023 4:34 PM
But, but, but, “it has been estimated” that more than 100,000 aborigines died in the “Frontier Wars”.

Should be ‘were murdered’, but that’s still on the low side.
The Frontier Wars spanned 100+ years, spears versus rifles, you could easily triple that.

Or it could just as easily be a tenth of that, or even fewer.

Proving that the number is small is difficult, as proving a negative depends on the lack of evidence. But proving the large number (100,000 to 300,000 according to you) should be much easier.

So, while evidence is not your specialty, perhaps you could use your extensive Googling skills to dig up a bit. Piles of bones would be a useful start. Get on with it.

Tom
Tom
July 22, 2023 5:28 pm

CL at 5.12pm:

I wonder if Bolt, Sheridan and The Australian’s editorial writer will continue to denigrate Trump for his “false claim” that the 2020 election was rigged.

Sadly 99% of the editorial staff at The Australian and their useful idiots like Greg Sheridan still the think that the internet has not yet been invented and therefore all of the public get all of their information from legacy media like The Australian (whose American political coverage always defaults to the Democratic Party’s talking point du jour/week/month.

So The Australian‘s coverage of the 2020 presidential election is always whatever Silicon Valley’s radicals tell them to say.

And they wonder why no-one trusts journalists — who neither think nor vote like normal people.

Vicki
Vicki
July 22, 2023 5:31 pm

This could point to the fact that Ukraine is actually both utilizing and losing far more men than we can imagine.

Thank you, Old Ozzie, for that informative account of rapid developments regarding the implications of Poland and Belarus in the hostilities.It is quite terrifying to watch events moving almost inexorably into irrecoverable decisions.

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 22, 2023 5:32 pm

Three issues have driven the resurgence of European conservatives. The first is Middle East and North African immigration. It’s wrong to oversimplify this as blanket hostility to immigration altogether. Poland and Hungary have been happy to take large numbers of Ukrainians. Neither is it racial. Large Indian and Chinese minorities are not controversial. But, like John Howard and Tony Abbott, European conservatives believe their national governments have the right to determine who comes into their countries and that some people are more likely than others to settle constructively.

Sheridan is tying himself in knots here, by equating Africans with Indians and Chinese, by calling Sub Saharan Africans “North Africans’ because thats where they embarked from, and by lying that the issues in Europe aren’t racial.

calli
calli
July 22, 2023 5:33 pm

Just like my first year accounting would prove to be a lot more practical in my perfessional life than all the keynesian economic hypotheses I had to wade through (with a consistency of mud) completing my degree.

Yes, Rabz. The Beloved discovered very early on that the ability to read a P&L and detect b/s was a far more practical skill than a truckload of macroeconomic glub. His dad was an auditor (most boring aspie job in the universe) so it’s probably genetic. 🙂

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 5:35 pm

. The independence of Poland after the Second World War was largely restored thanks to the participation of the USSR.

Having been taken away by the combined forces of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in 1945. And that independence did not become real until the collapse of the Eastern Bloc in 1989.

A bit like the murderer of his parents seeking indulgence from the court on account of being an orphan.

PS, Don’t mention Katyn Forest.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 22, 2023 5:38 pm

PS, Don’t mention Katyn Forest.

Where there was ample forensic evidence of the atrocity?

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 5:38 pm

Ed Case
Jul 22, 2023 5:07 PM
The fact that there has never been the slightest forensic evidence of any such slaughter doesn’t count?

Hundreds of eyewitness acounts from Government Officials who accompanied the Queensland Native Mounted Police.
That’s only from one State over a period of 40 years.
The QNMP were only formed due to reports of huge massacres by squatters on the Macintyre.

You have babbled on about this previously, but failed to produce so much as a single reference. Produce references, or you are lying.

PS, define “huge”.

Rabz
July 22, 2023 5:40 pm

My hope is that Byron Bay Haysus has to cash out his missus at today’s inflated Atlassian share price. Then, as a result of the fire sale for the divorce settlement the share price tanks to it’s true value (s.f.a) and he ends up broke, existing in a caravan with fellow divorcee, the cheating midget houso ranga, arguing over how they can pay the electrickery bill.

A spitting image puppet scenario, if ever there were one.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 5:40 pm

Rabz

If you don’t like those indisputable facts, then feel free to manufacture your own.

Are you recommending the Turd Case research method?

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 22, 2023 5:41 pm

There wasn’t any forensic evidence for Treblinka, cockhead.
Are you bsaying it never happened?

calli
calli
July 22, 2023 5:48 pm

I forgot to mention the wonders of the French boulangerie last night. Sitting and drinking a well earned G&T, I realised that will all the huffing and puffing over that stupid rental, we had missed lunch.

A delicious smell wafted across the square. Before the alcohol took hold on my empty person, I followed the fragrance to a bakery full of good things and selected a baguette campagne. Clutched in my hand, this thing resembling a small rolling pin with a wickedly hard point told me something unheard of in evening Australia – it had come fresh from the oven.

Instead of knocking off at 5am, these guys bake several times a day. We screwed off small portions of the thing, himself washing it down with beer. Good stuff.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 5:53 pm

combined forces of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in 1945

D’oh. 1939, not 1945!

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 5:54 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Jul 22, 2023 5:38 PM
PS, Don’t mention Katyn Forest.

Where there was ample forensic evidence of the atrocity?

And the numbers were a long way short of 300,000 or even 100,000.

JC
JC
July 22, 2023 5:55 pm

Karen, don’t be such and angry little faggot and answer the question. What does a strongly worded Hans Blix letter serve?

As for you suddenly becoming a free speech addict… Every week for the past year or so you’ve been demanding the blog owner cancel people you don’t like.
You’re a fine to be sending out such a letter. A fine one.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 5:56 pm

Ed Case
Jul 22, 2023 5:41 PM
There wasn’t any forensic evidence for Treblinka, cockhead.
Are you bsaying it never happened?

Suuuuuure there wasn’t, Turd Case. Apart from photographs, buildings and records.

Try again, or just admit to your ever more ludicrous lies.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 22, 2023 6:01 pm

Ed Case
Jul 22, 2023 5:41 PM
There wasn’t any forensic evidence for Treblinka, cockhead.
Are you bsaying it never happened?

Uncovered Mass Graves Site

In January 2012, British forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls uncovered mass graves in the Treblinka camp that were previously hidden underground. Using special, ground-penetrating radar equipment and other advanced technology so as not to cause complications with Jewish law, which forbids disturbing burial sites, Colls and her team managed to uncover graves at the camp where it is widely held that the Nazis murdered more than 850,000 people, the vast majority Jews.

Bruce in WA
July 22, 2023 6:02 pm

Ahhhh … lesbians.

Their motto: “If you can’t join ’em, lick ’em”.

Reckon I must be a lesbian at heart ’cause I saw a video of ’em once and I tell you what … they didn’t do anything to each other I wouldn’t do to ’em! (H/T KBW)

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
July 22, 2023 6:02 pm

s

omething unheard of in evening Australia – it had come fresh from the oven.

Instead of knocking off at 5am, these guys bake several times a day. We screwed off small portions of the thing, himself washing it down with beer. Good stuff.

Why, WHY, Must you tease me this way.
Bread straight from the oven with butter is one of life’s great joys.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
July 22, 2023 6:04 pm

We want your input” with the kitchen sink of sludge thrown at them. This thing must not become a reality.

The government wants the name, email address and phone number of anyone who objects to totalitarianism. You’re going to give it to them?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 22, 2023 6:06 pm

A musical adventure with the Danes.

—–

DR Koncerthuset:

Premiered on 17 Jul 2023

“This is Berk/See You Tomorrow” (From “How to Train Your Dragon”)
Composed by John Powell.
Performed by The Danish National Symphony Orchestra,
DR Big Band
Danish National Concert Choir
Conducted by Christian Schumann.

HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON // Danish National Symphony Orchestra, Big Band and Concert Choir (LIVE)

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 22, 2023 6:08 pm

Sky has a nice story on the commissioning ceremony for USS Canberra today, which took place in Sydney Harbour. Slight faux pas from the reporterette, who thinks navy ships are manned by soldiers, but I forgive her that. Marles and the US Sec Navy, Mr Del Toro, sounded pretty decent in the grabs that are included. And of course she was built by our Austal. Sail well beautiful lady.

US Navy warship USS Canberra commissioned in Sydney (Sky, 22 Jul)

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 22, 2023 6:09 pm

Mong makes Mong statement.

There wasn’t any forensic evidence for Treblinka, cockhead.
Are you bsaying it never happened?

Gets checked
Is still a Mong
https://elischolar.library.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1059&context=jcas

https://www.livescience.com/44443-treblinka-archaeological-excavation.html

John H.
John H.
July 22, 2023 6:11 pm

thefrollickingmole
Jul 22, 2023 5:15 PM
Finished my annual rewatch of “M”.
Awesome old film. And again is a story where everyone acts intelligently and does intelligent things trying to catch the killers.
I’d love to know just how a beggars union worked- typical boxheads- even the lowest in society are organised like a regiment.

It’s the father of all police procedurals nearly every trope of a modern detective film is there.

Citizen X is a 1995 USA movie based on the efforts of Russian detectives to track down a serial killer. Excellent movie. The movie has been used for police training purposes. Very high ratings.

JMH
JMH
July 22, 2023 6:12 pm

JC
Jul 22, 2023 5:55 PM

Giuseppe the Heckler:

If you don’t know the difference between submission and letter – well, I can’t help you. Mong.
Now go and peddle more lies about me doxxing the spouses of commentators here and possessing the capability of manipulating upticks. You are a retarded baboon with a seriously sick fixation.
You have never beaten me – and you never will. .

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
July 22, 2023 6:13 pm

The Frontier Wars spanned 100+ years, spears versus rifles, you could easily triple that.

Really?

When were these wars declared?

What regiments were involved?

Was there a civilian militia, if so from where?

Where was the theater of Action?

Who was in command of the soldiers/militia involved?

What number of persons were involved in this war?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 22, 2023 6:14 pm

JohnH
Cheers Will grab a look and see if I can find it.

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 22, 2023 6:15 pm

Awesome old film. And again is a story where everyone acts intelligently and does intelligent things trying to catch the killers.
Killers?

Are you sure you watched the movie and aren’t merely lying which is your usual M.O.?
Just to save you some frantic Gooooglin, there was only one killer, played by Peter Lorre.

JMH
JMH
July 22, 2023 6:15 pm

DrBeauGan
Jul 22, 2023 6:04 PM

We want your input” with the kitchen sink of sludge thrown at them. This thing must not become a reality.

The government wants the name, email address and phone number of anyone who objects to totalitarianism. You’re going to give it to them?

In this particular case, I am willing to take one for the team. Do you have a problem with that?

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
July 22, 2023 6:16 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Jul 22, 2023 6:08 PM

Sky has a nice story on the commissioning ceremony for USS Canberra today, which took place in Sydney Harbour.

I believe they are Littoral Combat Vessels, absolutely beautiful to look at and apparently good seakeeping qualities.

John H.
John H.
July 22, 2023 6:19 pm

Steve trickler
Jul 22, 2023 6:06 PM
A musical adventure with the Danes.

—–

DR Koncerthuset:

Premiered on 17 Jul 2023

“This is Berk/See You Tomorrow” (From “How to Train Your Dragon”)
Composed by John Powell.
Performed by The Danish National Symphony Orchestra,
DR Big Band
Danish National Concert Choir
Conducted by Christian Schumann.

HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON // Danish National Symphony Orchestra, Big Band and Concert Choir (LIVE)

Your comment reminded of another Danish musical adventure. Great harmonies.
River – Joni Mitchell // DR Pigekoret (LIVE)

Johnny Rotten
July 22, 2023 6:20 pm

I would also like to remind you what Poland’s aggressive policy led to. It led to the national tragedy of 1939, when Poland’s Western allies threw it to the German wolf, the German miliary machine. Poland actually lost its independence and statehood, which were only restored thanks in a large measure to the Soviet Union. It was also thanks to the Soviet Union and thanks to Stalin’s position that Poland acquired substantial territory in the west, German territory. It is a fact that Poland’s western lands are a gift from Stalin.

The bit that is missing here is that the Nazis under Hitler and the Commies under Stalin agreed to carve up Poland prior to the Nazi invasion of Poland from the west on September the 1st, 1939. Stalin and the Commies moved in a few weeks later from the east. Poland was carved up by the German Wolf and the Commie Bear.

So I don’t think that the Polish have anything to thank the Commies for. Especially after the end of WW2 and the occupation of Poland. They didn’t get their freedom back until the Soviet Union broke up.

So in this regard, Putin is wrong. Mind you, I do think that he is right about the UKR and the USA/NATO.

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 22, 2023 6:20 pm

Carpe blunders forensically:

When were these wars declared?
Ever heard of the Vietnam War, Carpe?
When was that declared?
Then give us a date for declaration of the Korean War?
Once you’ve found that, gimme a date for the declaration of the recent Afghanistan War?
Toddle off now.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
July 22, 2023 6:21 pm

The government wants the name, email address and phone number of anyone who objects to totalitarianism. You’re going to give it to them?

In this particular case, I am willing to take one for the team. Do you have a problem with that?

No. I admire your conviction that government bureaucrats will take your views into consideration in a productive way, but I don’t share it.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
July 22, 2023 6:23 pm

Guestimates = myth-timates.

I prefer to call them meth-timates.

John H.
John H.
July 22, 2023 6:26 pm

J

ohnny Rotten
Jul 22, 2023 6:20 PM
I would also like to remind you what Poland’s aggressive policy led to. It led to the national tragedy of 1939, when Poland’s Western allies threw it to the German wolf, the German miliary machine. Poland actually lost its independence and statehood, which were only restored thanks in a large measure to the Soviet Union. It was also thanks to the Soviet Union and thanks to Stalin’s position that Poland acquired substantial territory in the west, German territory. It is a fact that Poland’s western lands are a gift from Stalin.

The bit that is missing here is that the Nazis under Hitler and the Commies under Stalin agreed to carve up Poland prior to the Nazi invasion of Poland from the west on September the 1st, 1939. Stalin and the Commies moved in a few weeks later from the east. Poland was carved up by the German Wolf and the Commie Bear.

So I don’t think that the Polish have anything to thank the Commies for. Especially after the end of WW2 and the occupation of Poland. They didn’t get their freedom back until the Soviet Union broke up.

So in this regard, Putin is wrong. Mind you, I do think that he is right about the UKR and the USA/NATO.

Russia never got over the miracle of the Vistula(1920). They were within artillery range of Warsaw when Polish intelligence cracked the communication codes. The rest is history.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
July 22, 2023 6:26 pm

Ed Case
Jul 22, 2023 6:20 PM

Carpe blunders forensically:

So you can’t answer the questions i posed to your statements.

Don’t try to deflect with something unrelated to what you stated.

Back up what you said. GO

Johnny Rotten
July 22, 2023 6:26 pm

Carpe Jugulum
Jul 22, 2023 6:13 PM

The Frontier Wars spanned 100+ years, spears versus rifles, you could easily triple that.

Really?

Exactly. So where was this alleged Frontier? The Frontier to what? Please elaborate more than the ALPBC or SBS ever could. I mean, is there a frontier near the SBS on the Lower North Shore or the ALPBC in Glebe?

John H.
John H.
July 22, 2023 6:27 pm

JMH
Jul 22, 2023 6:15 PM
DrBeauGan
Jul 22, 2023 6:04 PM

We want your input” with the kitchen sink of sludge thrown at them. This thing must not become a reality.

The government wants the name, email address and phone number of anyone who objects to totalitarianism. You’re going to give it to them?

In this particular case, I am willing to take one for the team. Do you have a problem with that?

It’s admirable. If we don’t stand up we get walked over.

Chris
Chris
July 22, 2023 6:27 pm

aaaah, I hate reading this crap. Guns do NOT “accidentally” discharge.

It’s dinned into the lowliest cook’s assistant who ever pulled on a pair of boots and picked up a rifle – physically check the weapon is unloaded before cleaning.

Yes. Let me assure you though that accidental/negligent discharges are still possible even if you are careful, so always follow rule 1 – Never point a firearm at what you do not intend to destroy.

It used to regularly be claimed ‘I was cleaning it and it went off’ in 1960s media reports of accidents, real or fictional.
I always believed this is just cover for ‘I was f***ing around with it and it went off’.

Gun owners are now an older demographic and many more of them better trained, so such stupidities are relatively rare now, thank heavens.

JMH
JMH
July 22, 2023 6:30 pm

No. I admire your conviction that government bureaucrats will take your views into consideration in a productive way, but I don’t share it.

Dr BG – I don’t give a rat’s whether or not the bureaucrats take one lick of notice with regard to my Submission. My aim is to contribute to the flood. The objective is to bog the process and I bet there are thousands with the same intention. In other words, the more – the merrier.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 22, 2023 6:32 pm

Formula One in a nutshell. One of the most boring motorsport series on the planet.

X: He’s is the greatest driver in the world!
Y: BS! He has the best car, the others don’t.
X: Oh piss off, he’s the greatest driver in all of motorsport!
Y: Fine, put him on a team that runs mid-field.
X: But…
Y: F*ck off!

The Guy Who Decides Formula 1

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 22, 2023 6:33 pm

https://www.history.co.uk/articles/the-polish-cryptographers-who-cracked-the-enigma-code

Seems the Ivan’s, in 1920, were still using the rudimentary ciphers they had used in World War 1.

Speedbox
July 22, 2023 6:34 pm

The outlook is clear: in the event Polish forces enter, say, Lvov or other Ukrainian territories, they will stay there, and they will stay there for good.

Yep.

Johnny Rotten
July 22, 2023 6:37 pm

Ed Case
Jul 22, 2023 6:20 PM
Carpe blunders forensically:

When were these wars declared?
Ever heard of the Vietnam War, Carpe?
When was that declared?

It all depends upon where you are. In Vietnam, it is called the American War. Go travel there and get an ‘ejucation’. Yer’ know. The one that Juliar Gizzard started called the ‘Ejucation Revolution’. Then you can pronounce hyperbole as ‘hyperbowl’ just like she did. You farking hysterical pygmy.

FFS

Johnny Rotten
July 22, 2023 6:42 pm

The Goons –

BLUEBOTTLE: Yes… Why don’t you open the door?
ECCLES: Okay, I’ll … how do you open a door?
BLUEBOTTLE: You turn the knob on your side.
ECCLES: I haven’t got a knob on my side.
BLUEBOTTLE: On the door!
ECCLES: The door! I’ll soon get the hang of dat.

Indolent
Indolent
July 22, 2023 6:44 pm
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 22, 2023 6:47 pm

I believe they are Littoral Combat Vessels, absolutely beautiful to look at and apparently good seakeeping qualities.

Carpe – Yes, although there’re two versions. The monohull version built by a US company have had a fair number of problems. The Austal catamarans appear to have performed better, although the modular weapons packet idea didn’t work for either design. As a fairly cheap combat vessel they seem to be pretty good though. I defer to TE about this though.

Austal has now built 18 of them. Compare that with every other attempt at naval shipbuilding by Aussie companies (mainly government run) and it’s like SpaceX vs NASA.

Indolent
Indolent
July 22, 2023 6:48 pm
Indolent
Indolent
July 22, 2023 6:50 pm

We are being nudged (read bullied) into accepting a reduced standard of living to “save the planet”.

LA Times energy writer: What if we accepted occasional blackouts to solve climate change?

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 6:54 pm

Ed Case
Jul 22, 2023 6:15 PM
Awesome old film. And again is a story where everyone acts intelligently and does intelligent things trying to catch the killers.
Killers?

Are you sure you watched the movie and aren’t merely lying which is your usual M.O.?
Just to save you some frantic Gooooglin, there was only one killer, played by Peter Lorre.

Stop procrastinating and get on with Goooooglin the evidence for your various assertions about the so-called “Frontier Wars”. Links or you are (again) lying. As you did about Treblinka.

Indolent
Indolent
July 22, 2023 6:54 pm
Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 22, 2023 6:55 pm

The montage works well.

Bob Seger – Main Street

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
July 22, 2023 7:00 pm

In this particular case, I am willing to take one for the team. Do you have a problem with that?

It’s admirable. If we don’t stand up we get walked over.

Yes, I admire it. But in my judgment we are going to be walked over anyway. So to give information to the government is to give hostages to fortune.

My view is that we are all, including the government bureaucrats, pawns of huge forces beyond our control. The government bureaucrats think they are in control, but they are wrong. They’ll only discover their error when they are being hanged from lamp posts. In the meanwhile, they will will enlarge their little empires one regulation or law at a time, and abuse their authority when they think they can get away with it. It’s how they work. Our civilisation has rotted to the point where they are enabled, so they exploit their environment.

The only strategy is sauve qui peut.

Cassie of Sydney
July 22, 2023 7:03 pm

“Suuuuuure there wasn’t, Turd Case. Apart from photographs, buildings and records.

Try again, or just admit to your ever more ludicrous lies.”

Indeed, along with the testimony of the few survivors. There was an uprising at Treblinka. The Wikipedia page on Treblinka is pretty good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp

Among the Jewish prisoners who escaped after setting fire to the camp, there were two 19-year-olds, Samuel Willenberg and Kalman Taigman, who had both arrived in 1942 and had been forced to work there under the threat of death. Taigman died in 2012 and Willenberg in 2016. Taigman stated of his experience, “It was hell, absolutely hell. A normal man cannot imagine how a living person could have lived through it, killers, natural-born killers, who without a trace of remorse just murdered every little thing.” Willenberg and Taigman emigrated to Israel after the war and devoted their last years to retelling the story of Treblinka. Escapees Hershl Sperling and Richard Glazar both suffered from survivor guilt syndrome and eventually killed themselves. Chaim Sztajer, who was 34 at the time of the uprising, had survived 11 months as a Sonderkommando in Treblinka II and was instrumental in the coordination of the uprising between the two camps. Following his escape in the uprising, Sztajer survived for over a year in the forest before the liberation of Poland. Following the war, he migrated to Israel and then to Melbourne, Australia where later in life he constructed from memory a model of Treblinka which is currently displayed at the Jewish Holocaust Centre in Melbourne.

Is Eddy is our very own David Irving?

Roger
Roger
July 22, 2023 7:03 pm

The outlook is clear: in the event Polish forces enter, say, Lvov or other Ukrainian territories, they will stay there, and they will stay there for good.

Yep.

Disinformation.

Don’t buy into it.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 22, 2023 7:04 pm

Is Eddy is our very own David Irving?

Harsh, but fair.

Speedbox
July 22, 2023 7:09 pm

Roger
Jul 22, 2023 7:03 PM
Disinformation. Don’t buy into it.

Just commenting on the quote. A lot of things need to happen before it is anywhere near viable.

Johnny Rotten
July 22, 2023 7:10 pm

Just like my first year accounting would prove to be a lot more practical in my perfessional life than all the keynesian economic hypotheses I had to wade through (with a consistency of mud) completing my degree.

Exactly. The real world economy does not work on keynesian economic hypotheses. FFS.

Delta A
Delta A
July 22, 2023 7:11 pm

Littoral Combat Vessels, absolutely beautiful to look at and apparently good seakeeping qualities.

What is the military purpose of the pointy bow?

Indolent
Indolent
July 22, 2023 7:16 pm

Bluey
Jul 22, 2023 9:04 AM
From https://postcardsfromtheageofreason.com/2023/07/20/7-controlled-opposition/

Controlled Opposition are the guys they send to appeal to your sensibilities on Current Thing. They distract the people that might oppose Current Thing by posing as champions of the dissenting faction.

This is a perfect description of the Q project.

Johnny Rotten
July 22, 2023 7:20 pm

What is the military purpose of the pointy bow?

Just like all sea going vessels. To cut through the sea water more easily. Basic really. You can look it up in any text book.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 22, 2023 7:21 pm

Has Ed gone to the Holocaust now?
Inevitable, I suppose.

JMH
JMH
July 22, 2023 7:22 pm

Dr. BG, to ease your mind, the Gov’t already has my information. ATO and Medicare for starters.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 22, 2023 7:22 pm

Daily Mail.

Vegan activist Tash Peterson slammed by Piers Morgan for comparing meat-eaters to the Nazi Holocaust

Piers Morgan condemns vegan activist Tash Peterson
She compared animal slaughter to the Nazi Holocaust

Rosie
Rosie
July 22, 2023 7:23 pm

Calli we stayed within spitting distance of the cathedral and it was the Basilica St Michel we set out to visit, it was badly damaged in world war II and internally in poor shape, the day we went the flea market in the square in front had just finished and there was crap everywhere though the cafes facing looked okay. I’m sure we walked up Rue Saint François and it was very ordinary but of course it was around seven years ago, plenty of time for some gentrification.

Roger
Roger
July 22, 2023 7:32 pm

Just commenting on the quote. A lot of things need to happen before it is anywhere near viable.

Poland has deployed c. 1000 troops to their eastern border in reponse to Wagner/Belarussian joint exercises. That’s hardly an invasion force.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 22, 2023 7:32 pm

Littoral Combat Vessels, absolutely beautiful to look at and apparently good seakeeping qualities.

What is the military purpose of the pointy bow?

Delta – They go like the clappers: 80 kph. For a ship that is something else.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
July 22, 2023 7:35 pm

Dr. BG, to ease your mind, the Gov’t already has my information. ATO and Medicare for starters.

Yes, but you’re intending to announce that you’re opposed to their totalitarian plans.

I admire your spirit, but I just can’t see it doing any good. These people aren’t going to be persuaded to give up their totalitarian objective by reason or democratic ideals. They see resistance as something to be subverted and crushed. The trajectory they have been following for decades is perfectly clear, and covid underlined it. They reject completely the whole idea of free speech and democracy. No amount of reason or logic will affect them. They pursue power, it’s their only aim.

I think that makes them pathetic creeps who are missing everything important in life, but they’ll never be able to see that.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 22, 2023 7:36 pm

Piers Morgan condemns vegan activist Tash Peterson

Both can get f*cked. Piers is on record saying “Man made climate change is real”. The only reason he gets away with it is because the pudgy media whore does not allow anyone on his show to challenge him. If he did, it would be constant interruption, Bolt style.

You would need a third party with a debate, in order to tell Piers to STFU and only comment when it’s your time.

Piers Morgan = C-bomb. A grade media whore.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 22, 2023 7:36 pm

Piers Morgan condemns vegan activist Tash Peterson
She compared animal slaughter to the Nazi Holocaust

Tash as far as I know hasn’t yet condemned wind turbines, which massacre literally billions of birds and bats. She is a hypocrite.

Walk the talk or get off the pot lady.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 7:38 pm

Carpe Jugulum
Jul 22, 2023 6:16 PM

Bruce of Newcastle
Jul 22, 2023 6:08 PM

Sky has a nice story on the commissioning ceremony for USS Canberra today, which took place in Sydney Harbour.

I believe they are Littoral Combat Vessels, absolutely beautiful to look at and apparently good seakeeping qualities.

A phrase that featured often in the recent Australian Defence Review was “littoral combat”. It is an unusual enough phrase for it to have been chosen deliberately. Take littoral combat vessels and the recent US Marine Corps reorganisation of some of its infantry regiments into littoral combat regiments, which emphasise anti-access/area denial weapons, and the likely future of the RAN and Australian Army might come into focus.

Baba
Baba
July 22, 2023 7:43 pm

This is huge disappointment.

Mystery continues as dig fails to turn up bodies of lost Native American children in Nebraska

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 7:43 pm

Ed Case
Jul 22, 2023 6:20 PM
Carpe blunders forensically:

When were these wars declared?
Ever heard of the Vietnam War, Carpe?
When was that declared?
Then give us a date for declaration of the Korean War?
Once you’ve found that, gimme a date for the declaration of the recent Afghanistan War?
Toddle off now.

You haven’t answered Carpe’s other forensic questions.

Toddle off now.

cohenite
July 22, 2023 7:43 pm

Jesse Watters does a great 9 minute comparison between the false claims against Trump and the real charges against the grub biden:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb0EBMpBZ2Q

Indolent
Indolent
July 22, 2023 7:43 pm
Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 7:44 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Jul 22, 2023 6:33 PM
https://www.history.co.uk/articles/the-polish-cryptographers-who-cracked-the-enigma-code

Seems the Ivan’s, in 1920, were still using the rudimentary ciphers they had used in World War 1.

Which led to their defeats at Tannenberg and Masurian Lakes in 1914.

Baba
Baba
July 22, 2023 7:45 pm

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 22, 2023 7:48 pm

Delta A.

Mind your leg upon entry into the vehicle. Buckle up lady. Pull those straps tight, we are going for a ride.

GHOST RIDER | JUNIOR POV – “THE CRAZY WARM UP“

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 22, 2023 7:49 pm

Boambee John – The Austal LCS design would work for us superbly. Really cheap. Heli designed and capable. Ability to fit very decent vertical-launched antiship missiles plus AA. Good range. Carry lots of stuff. Fast. Small crew requirement. Built by Aussies. Given the sorts of missions the RAN has had in places like Timor Leste and the Solomons they’d do those jobs extremely well. For a modest second or third tier nation like us they’d be seriously good naval assets, and we could afford to buy and crew a couple dozen of them. But no we have to design useless white elephants on restaurant napkins and build them in the never never.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 7:49 pm

Delta A
Jul 22, 2023 7:11 PM
Littoral Combat Vessels, absolutely beautiful to look at and apparently good seakeeping qualities.

What is the military purpose of the pointy bow?

Possibly seakeeping? For whatever reason, the USN seems to like that particular style.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 7:51 pm

Indolent
Jul 22, 2023 7:16 PM
Bluey
Jul 22, 2023 9:04 AM
From https://postcardsfromtheageofreason.com/2023/07/20/7-controlled-opposition/

Controlled Opposition are the guys they send to appeal to your sensibilities on Current Thing. They distract the people that might oppose Current Thing by posing as champions of the dissenting faction.

This is a perfect description of the Q project.

Indeed. For all of mUnty’s near-hysterical babbling about QANON during 2020 and 2021, it seems most likely to have been a DemonRat scam.

Razey
Razey
July 22, 2023 7:56 pm

These people aren’t going to be persuaded to give up their totalitarian objective

I hear sales of large wood chippers are booming.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 22, 2023 7:58 pm

Make a typo

Mong flogs itself into a froth of mummie juice over it.

Mantle such cases
Sad

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 22, 2023 8:00 pm

Indeed, along with the testimony of the few survivors.

Zulu says that’s not forensic evidence.
According to Zulu, unless there’s bones, and plenty of them, it’s just
…Stories my Nanna told me

Bar Beach Swimmer
July 22, 2023 8:02 pm

Zulu @ 6:23pm

Yet another reason to vote no. Between Marcia ruling out WtCs if it goes down, and now this, well, it’s looking even better for a no vote.

Speaking of which, I just saw on the news Luigi’s been out today encouraging the party faithful to get behind the voice. If he can’t get his own party faithful, that’s really gotta be the death knell.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 22, 2023 8:04 pm

Link above states archeological work done on the site has uncovered a heap of bone.

Over to you $2 shop Iving

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 22, 2023 8:06 pm

Mystery continues as dig fails to turn up bodies of lost Native American children in Nebraska
Uh huh.
So, the X-Rays showed bodies, but when they dug it up there was nothing?
Zero forensic Evidence, then?

Delta A
Delta A
July 22, 2023 8:09 pm

Buckle up lady. Pull those straps tight, we are going for a ride.

Wow!

Where was this filmed, Steve? Love those tunnels.

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 22, 2023 8:09 pm

Link above states archeological work done on the site has uncovered a heap of bone.
At the Orphanage in Nebraska?
Better check with Zulu on this.
It may be Forensic, it may not be Forensic!

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 22, 2023 8:11 pm

Ed Mong pretends he’s not a mummie snuffling tard.
And fails
Again.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 22, 2023 8:13 pm
Indolent
Indolent
July 22, 2023 8:15 pm
Indolent
Indolent
July 22, 2023 8:16 pm
Delta A
Delta A
July 22, 2023 8:17 pm

Just like all sea going vessels. To cut through the sea water more easily. Basic really. You can look it up in any text book.

Well, duh!

Having spent a bit of time messing about in boats, I do understand the principle behind pointy bows. But that one is especially pointy.

Thanks Bon and BJ for treating my question seriously.

Indolent
Indolent
July 22, 2023 8:19 pm
Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 22, 2023 8:27 pm

Delta A
Jul 22, 2023 8:09 PM
Buckle up lady. Pull those straps tight, we are going for a ride.

Wow!

Where was this filmed, Steve? Love those tunnels.

Hello. Uploaded a month ago. Sweden I’m sure.

The clip reminds me of going through the Northbridge tunnel when it just opened in Perth. Mate hit the pedal in his VC Valiant to 160kph and the drive shaft broke, complete with a crack in the bell housing on the transmission. We limped out the other side … just.

We spent 30 minutes afterwards pulling the sound system out of the car. It would not have been there in the morning. Today, cameras are everywhere. You can’t get away with it today.

Bar Beach Swimmer
July 22, 2023 8:31 pm

Indolent
Jul 22, 2023 8:15 PM

from the book that mother referred to:

J.J. is neither. Sometimes they feel like a boy; sometimes they feel like a girl

What does that mean? If “they” are neither a boy or a girl then how do “they” know what it feels like to be either one? If you’re not sure about what you are, how can you become aware that there’s a difference – – what’s the differentiating experience? Playing footy/wearing a dress? If that’s all “they” can point to, then all it is is performance art.

Absolute crap but with the worst of consequences.

MatrixTransform
July 22, 2023 8:32 pm

So, the X-Rays showed bodies, but when they dug it up there was nothing?
Zero forensic Evidence, then?

er … you mean no actual evidence, surely?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 22, 2023 8:36 pm

Coutts: Scandal is bank’s ‘WORST NIGHTMARE’ says former employee

Good. The increasingly dawning danger in the UK of debanking is an excellent thing, since it hits everyone in the financial goolies. The Poms may even have to pass legislation forcing banks to provide accounts to everyone, even knuckle dragging righties. How good would that be?

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 8:36 pm

Ed Case
Jul 22, 2023 8:00 PM
Indeed, along with the testimony of the few survivors.

Zulu says that’s not forensic evidence.
According to Zulu, unless there’s bones, and plenty of them, it’s just
…Stories my Nanna told me

Turd Case again being selective in his reading of others’ comments. Or perhaps he has very limited reading comprehension skills.

There were bones, building foundations and written records.

And despite claiming the existence of records over many years of the QNMP killing many aborigines, he is unable to provide any actual evidence.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 8:38 pm

Ed Case
Jul 22, 2023 8:09 PM
Link above states archeological work done on the site has uncovered a heap of bone.
At the Orphanage in Nebraska?

Non-existent reading comprehension skills, or deliberate obfuscation? You decide.

PS, Turd Case, the reference was to Treblinka.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 22, 2023 8:42 pm

She’s a stunner. Chicks will no doubt love Jeff. Good to see James Woods.

TAKE A LOOK AT ME NOW – AGAINST ALL ODDS – PHIL COLLINS

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 22, 2023 8:45 pm

Edley, the moron you have when you can’t have Mutley. Have either of these two fools ever understood anything without twisting it to suit their own warped minds?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 22, 2023 8:45 pm

(Cafe news apposite of couple days ago. I saw this afternoon the tip of a fluffy tail sticking out of a tree hole in neighbour’s yard. Hehe, a customer I thought to myself! Sure enough at about 7pm brushtail turns up…but not the miscreant male of Wednesday. Instead the fluffy tail belonged to his sister. She’s much more sedate and doesn’t climb my screen door trying to get in.

I gave her a half a slice of bread followed by a carrot. Which is what is on the Cafe menu. After which she went away, apparently happy.)

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
July 22, 2023 8:54 pm

But that one is especially pointy.

French influence. Pontillism I think it’s called. Bloody Frogs!

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 22, 2023 9:03 pm

MatrixTransform

The Canadian “ graves” were based on disturbed regular signs of ground disturbance, not bones.
Turns out there was an already known about burial ground with headstones etc. but the area they were claiming as evidence of a huge graveyard is actually where the old orchard was.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/27/kamloops-mass-grave-debunked-biggest-fake-news-in-canada/amp/

Good for another $40 billion to be shaken free m the government though.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 22, 2023 9:06 pm

The transformation of Thomas Mayo: How a ‘quiet fella’ became the face of the Yes campaign

By Anthony Galloway
July 22, 2023

For weeks, opponents of the Indigenous Voice to parliament have zeroed in on prominent Yes campaigner Thomas Mayo.

The best-selling author and trade unionist became central to their claim that the Voice is a radical change to the nation’s Constitution, not merely an advisory body.

For a campaign that has struggled to gain momentum – the latest Resolve poll in Saturday’s Sydney Morning Herald and The Age revealed it is heading for a defeat, with a support for the Voice among NSW voters falling below 50 per cent for the first time – Mayo has shown a rare ability to cut through.

Mayo says opponents of the Voice are wrong – he would never describe his activism as radical.

“I’m doing these things because I really care about people and I don’t believe that’s a radical thing,” he tells this masthead.

“I think that’s something that is an Australian thing – to care and to do something to put a hand out and help a mate up.”

Despite the polls, Mayo remains optimistic. “I’m not worried about the polls. I’m more worried about speaking with as many Australians as I can between now and the referendum,” he says.

Last month, the No campaign unearthed two-year-old videos of Mayo calling for “reparations and compensation” for Indigenous Australians, as well as appearances in online forums run by an organisation which markets itself as the Communist Party of Australia.

Opposition Indigenous affairs spokeswoman Jacinta Price said the “shocking revelations” exposed the “aggressive and radical agenda behind the Voice”.

Mayo says his comments were from years ago, and that the Voice is about community priorities.

“I’ve been involved in this for a long time and there’s been many things said in the debates and discussions amongst people,” he says.

“Those things were said, but they’re not what I believe the Voice will focus on. It’s not what it’s about. It’s about the priorities in our communities – health, education, the environment, all of that stuff.

“Also importantly, the parliament still decides everything – the Voice is an advisory body. So various groups are going to have all sorts of different ideas. But ultimately, the parliament decides what happens in the country.”
‘I didn’t have a voice’

A softly spoken Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander man who has lived his whole life in Darwin, Mayo is in many ways an unlikely target for the No campaign.

The father-of-six rarely hurls insults at the No campaign and he doesn’t bite back at attacks.

And unlike many other prominent Voice campaigners a generation older, the 46-year-old didn’t arrive at Indigenous activism through academia or the land rights movement. Mayo became an activist later in life.

“I was always a quiet fella,” Mayo says.

“People thought I didn’t have a voice at all with how quiet I was, whether it was at footy or in the workplace.”

Mayo was a wharf labourer from the age of 17, before finding his voice after the 1998 waterfront dispute with Patrick Stevedores when he became a union delegate, and then an official with the Maritime Union of Australia.

In 2014, Tony Abbott’s $500 million in cuts to Indigenous programs turned Mayo’s attention to campaigning for First Nations people in the Northern Territory.

He grew increasingly frustrated that Canberra policymaking seemed unaffected by campaigns on the ground and became a prominent advocate for a constitutionally enshrined Voice to parliament.

In 2017, Mayo signed the Uluru Statement from the Heart, and was chosen to carry the canvas of the statement around the country – often turning up to communities with it rolled up in a tube under his arm.

For the past six years, he has worked full-time on the campaign for the Voice, and served as a key advisor to the Albanese government as part of the referendum working group.

At some point between October and December, Australians will vote on the referendum to recognise Indigenous Australians in the Constitution by enshrining a Voice to parliament.

The remit of the body – which would be able to make representations to the parliament and the government on issues that impact Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people – is at the centre of the debate.

When Anthony Albanese announced the wording of the constitutional amendment on March 23, Mayo stood directly to the prime minister’s left.

Some in the Yes campaign privately concede Mayo’s background in the union movement provides a convenient target for opponents.

Others suspect he is targeted because of his success.

Mayo’s book,The Voice to Parliament Handbook: All the Detail You Need – co-authored with former ABC presenter Kerry O’Brien – sold more than 50,000 copies in just two months. A bestseller in Australia is 5000 copies.

Readings managing director Mark Rubbo says it is his company’s top-selling book for 2023.

“Something that is topical often only has a relatively short life, but this has just got a momentum all of its own,” he says.

Mayo’s publisher Sandy Grant, the boss of Hardie Grant, says he was surprised Mayo become a lightning rod for the No campaign because of his innate calmness.

“He is a person of passion and integrity, and has been applying an immense amount of time, thought and calm intelligence to the whole process,” Grant says.

Mayo has written six books but says he only started reading books concertedly in his 20s.

“It wasn’t until I had something that I really believed in that I was able to write.”

Since the book was published, he gets recognised all around Australia.

Leading No campaigner Warren Mundine says when the Yes campaign elevated Mayo it became fair game to scrutinise him.

“He is central to their campaign. He talks everywhere, he does just as many events as I do, and he stands next to Albo every time they do a press conference,” Mundine says.

“So the public need to know what his views are. As far as I can see… he’s from the [Maritime Union of Australia], he’s just a communist who’s going to make some really radical changes with the Voice.

“He was [an asset for the Yes campaign] until we discovered what his personal views were. He’s become an asset to us.”

Leading Aboriginal academic Marcia Langton, a member of the government’s referendum working group alongside Mayo, says he is “never angry, always calm and logical”.

“He is not, and has never been, a communist,” she says. “In my opinion, their attacks on him are racist and also outright lies.”

On July 6, an advertisement appeared in the Australian Financial Review which included a cartoon portrayal of Mayo dancing for money, ridiculing big corporate donations to the Yes campaign.

Nine, which also owns this masthead, apologised for publishing the ad by conservative lobby group Advance Australia which was widely condemned as racist.

Liberal MP Julian Leeser, who quit the federal opposition frontbench over his party’s opposition to the Voice, said he believed Mayo was central to the No campaign because he was being made a “trope for the ‘angry Aboriginal man’ who wants to tear down the country”.

“The spliced videos of the No case using Thomas Mayo’s words are meant to get you angry, and get you voting against a person, even though this person is not on the ballot paper,” Leeser said in a speech on Monday.

Mayo says he agrees with Leeser, describing the Liberal MP as a “man of integrity”.

“I think he is someone that is similar to me – just doing what he knows is right. And I think Julian’s comments should be listened to.”
Referendum loss ‘unthinkable’

After speaking to tens of thousands of Australians over the past six years about the Voice, Mayo says he is confident the referendum will succeed despite what the public polls have shown over recent months.

“We’re in a winning position,” he says.

Mayo says that he has been able to convince most Australians who are against the proposal when he explains to them what the advisory body will do.

“From my experience speaking with people who are in a No position – if they’re genuine about understanding things and listening, then they tend to support it because there’s nothing to lose in this,” he says.

Mayo says he isn’t contemplating what will happen if the referendum is unsuccessful.

“It’s just unthinkable. We must succeed,” he says.

“Imagine saying no to what the truth of this is? Just recognising that Indigenous people have been here for 60,000 years and to ensure that we have an advisory say to the parliament that makes decisions about us.

“I can’t contemplate that going down.”

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 22, 2023 9:08 pm

… disturbed regular signs of ground disturbance, not bones.

Yeah, that makes a lotta sense.
So, what’s the verdick, Sherlock?
Forensic Evidence or tales my nanna told me?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 22, 2023 9:12 pm

Bloomin heck.

A first time clapping eyes on this. I had no idea of their youth days.

Bee Gees – Medley (1963)

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 22, 2023 9:13 pm

Ed mongling about in mummies mouldy minge.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 22, 2023 9:14 pm

…..For the past six years, he has worked full-time on the campaign for the Voice, and served as a key advisor to the Albanese government as part of the referendum working group.….

So where has his wage come from?
We’re his wages money redirected from on the ground work to keep him in the manner to which he is now accustomed?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 22, 2023 9:17 pm

Any of the bush lawyers on this blog help out? If the Voice is rejected at referendum, can Albo bring it in by legislation?

Cassie of Sydney
July 22, 2023 9:17 pm

“Liberal MP Julian Leeser”

Julian Leeser is no Liberal.

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 22, 2023 9:18 pm

“I can’t contemplate that going down.”

Thomas Mayo, Spook.

They’re comin round, door to door, to hear what you’ve got to say for yourself.
That’s why Albanese is delaying setting a Date.
It’s gonna be Full Spectrum Yes for 4 months, then the AEC will steal the vote just to make sure.

Rosie
Rosie
July 22, 2023 9:19 pm

Tuam is such a non story. All these babies had death certificates, there is no evidence still of foul play and we know infant mortality rates in Ireland were comparatively high because it was a very poor country (think Angela’s Ashes)
reminds us that Tuam is still ongoing

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 22, 2023 9:21 pm

Any of the bush lawyers on this blog help out? If the Voice is rejected at referendum, can Albo bring it in by legislation?

Dutton has encouraged him to Legislate first.

The problem is likely to be that The Voice is such a Dog, he won’t be able to get it past Caucus.

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 22, 2023 9:25 pm

Poms optimistic re weather at Old Trafford, I’m thinkin batting could raise a few safety issues.

Bar Beach Swimmer
July 22, 2023 9:27 pm

If the Voice is rejected at referendum, can Albo bring it in by legislation?

Yes, if he gets the numbers in the parliament. But if the referendum goes down badly, how many senators would be happy to support a legislative fix when the country said, unambiguously and with force: no thanks.

They want it in the Constitution so it won’t go the way of ATSIC.

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 22, 2023 9:32 pm

Tuam is such a non story. All these babies had death certificates, there is no evidence still of foul play and we know infant mortality rates in Ireland were comparatively high
[blah … blah … blah …

Where were the mothers of these babies?
It’s called Marasmus, in case you didn’t know, caused by gross neglect.
Didn’t the Nuns know that babies need to be held and kept warm [and fed]?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 22, 2023 9:32 pm

They want it in the Constitution so it won’t go the way of ATSIC.

Linda Burney was on the record as saying that, in the early stages of the whole campaign.

cohenite
July 22, 2023 9:34 pm

Tommy the commie mayonnaise is a commie dickhead.

It is so obvious what these pricks are doing: they’ve tried it all: vibe, emotion, guilt, bullying: now the nice people. Only there ain’t any nice people: just commies, grifters and shitheads.

shatterzzz
July 22, 2023 9:34 pm

So where has his wage come from?

I’d copied the same passage to ask not only about the Philipino’s wage but also the 6 years time frame .. Luigi must have been multi-tasking all this time .. fighting tories and engineering the VOICE .. FFS!

JC
JC
July 22, 2023 9:34 pm

MH
Jul 22, 2023 6:12 PM

JC
Jul 22, 2023 5:55 PM

Giuseppe the Heckler:

How can I assist, Angry Kez?

If you don’t know the difference between submission and letter – well, I can’t help you. Mong.

Oh sure, because making a submission or emailing a letter is so, so different. You’re such a dickhead.

Now go and peddle more lies about me doxxing the spouses of commentators here and possessing the capability of manipulating upticks.

The angry little faggot who believes he’s referring to me by what he thinks is my name is protesting being accused of doxxing.

You are a retarded baboon with a seriously sick fixation.

I’m confused now. I thought it was you who tried to join a Liz pile on the other day, and when I highlighted what you were doing you stopped, under sufferance of course. You’re such a dishonest little worm, Kez.

You have never beaten me – and you never will. .

LOl. I haven’t yeah? You immediately stopped trying to give grief to Liz the exact moment I began to go after you. You always do as instructed, Kez. Don’t be under any illusions. My lord you’re a bore.

The sheer bravery demonstrated by those angry Hans Blix letters are so inspiring. I’m inspired. We all are, Kez. So, so brave.

Delta A
Delta A
July 22, 2023 9:34 pm

can Albo bring it in by legislation?

He can bring it in by legislation, but he cannot change the constitution, and so it can be thrown out down the track eg ATSIC.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 22, 2023 9:40 pm

It’s good fun watching people spin out with this dog.

Cash!

woof bark growl:

Cash 2.0 Great Dane at the Simi Valley Spring Street Fair 2023 (8 of 12)

MatrixTransform
July 22, 2023 9:44 pm

you who tried to join a Liz pile on the other day, and when I highlighted what you were doing you stopped, under sufferance of course. You’re such a dishonest little worm

word for word

is this JC cock-head a pull-string doll?

JC
JC
July 22, 2023 9:44 pm

Regarding the attempt by the Liar’s Party to try and curtail free speech making a law that would attempt to refer to any opposition as misinformation.

Several years ago, the High Court made a specific reference to the issue of free speech by stating quite unambiguously that the right to free speech is implied in the Australian constitution. How would this attempt square with the High Court comment? I believe the court would strike it down without hesitation.

Rosie
Rosie
July 22, 2023 9:45 pm

They were there with their mothers, they were mother and baby homes.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 22, 2023 9:45 pm

Ed Case
Jul 22, 2023 9:08 PM
… disturbed regular signs of ground disturbance, not bones.

Yeah, that makes a lotta sense.
So, what’s the verdick, Sherlock?
Forensic Evidence or tales my nanna told me?

In the Australian and Canadian cases, it is “tales your nanna told you”.

IN relation to Treblinka, there is ample forensic evidence available, for those who do not bury their heads up their rectums.

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 22, 2023 9:47 pm

And all the babies died.
That’s convenient.

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