Open Thread – Wed 2 August 2023


Alfred Sisley, The Small Meadows in Spring, 1880/1

Subscribe
Notify of
guest

1.2K Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Vicki
Vicki
August 2, 2023 1:47 pm

Was he not actually an employee of these centres but someone with an over-arching role covering several centres? It is inconceivable that, say, a maintenance guy or delivery driver visiting centres could get access to much time alone with one kid. Was it someone in a government role, with a level of authority?

Sancho, I hesitated to make this comment, but I will.

My daughter used several day care centres during her working career before the children were of school age. Two were professional child care centres and were well managed, but expensive. In an effort to restrict outgoings in the very early days she placed the two children in a community day care centre. The employees at this centre were, to my mind, mostly of a very low standard of profession. One Chinese lady could barely speak English. Some were very committed to the children. One in particular, a young man, was excellent.

However, in relation to this Council centre, I was quite concerned to find about another young man who was employed, along with a very overweight young woman, to look after the babies and infants under three. This sounds “conspiratorial, but I always thought he had a furtive look about him when my husband and I came to pick up the children for my daughter at various times.

I would not even dare to raise this some 15 years later to my daughter. But it has always stuck in my mind. She did take the children out of this centre to a very well respected, and to my mind, well run professional centre. But if there is any one regret I have in my life – it is that I did not commit to full time care of my daughter’s children.

Gabor
Gabor
August 2, 2023 1:48 pm

The name “Kae” pops into my head but I don’t think that is correct.

She was married for sure, she told us about it, but never mentioned any children.

Rosie
Rosie
August 2, 2023 1:48 pm

I’m also confused about the offending.
As a fairly frequent visitor to child care centres collecting grandchildren, all the rooms have more than one carer in play at any time and change/toilet areas are also very public.
The only at risk spots are sleeping rooms for babies but I’d be very suspicious of anyone who was inside with a child with the door closed.
I’ve never ever liked seeing men work in childcare.

shatterzzz
August 2, 2023 1:50 pm

The incident, which occurred late last week, allegedly caused Ms Thorpe to suffer whiplash and bruising.

Hard to believe that it took several dayz to come to light .. guessing it was so inconsequential that she or her staff felt the need to share …..
out of sight, out of sound-bite .. a “pollie’s” greatest fear .. LOL!

shatterzzz
August 2, 2023 1:53 pm

As a fairly frequent visitor to child care centres collecting grandchildren,

Same here and you don’t get in without identifying yourself to staff satisfaction ..

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 1:53 pm

From the Grauniard:-

The AFP alleges the offending took place in 10 childcare centres in Brisbane between 2007 and 2013, and 2018 and 2022; an overseas location in 2013 and 2014; and one centre in Sydney between 2014 and 2017. The man worked at other childcare centres but the AFP have confirmed that there is no allegation the man offended at those centres.

No allegation?
How about they publish the names of those centres and let’s see what pops up.
They are desperate to bundle this up and contain it.
Which implies to me that there has been a monumental cock-up in his accreditation and/or supervision.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 2, 2023 1:56 pm

Required reading before tonight’s stoush.

https://www.vepc.org.au/_files/ugd/92a2aa_76c7e6d656a6439b8ad5488f0a37c941.pdf

I’ll be asking questions later.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 1:56 pm

Yeah, pretty sure that is not the name, Gabor.
It keeps popping up and blocking my retrieval systems when I try to remember!
A short female name from memory.
Obviously distraught about the impact of dark web drug dealing.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 2, 2023 1:57 pm

ALPBC backpedaling furiously after Four Corners caught as the media arm of some Green lunatics outside the Wooside CEO private home. Of course, the real outrage is a CEO living in City Beach. Brighton but with a better beach.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 2:03 pm

Rosie

Aug 2, 2023 1:48 PM

I’m also confused about the offending.
As a fairly frequent visitor to child care centres collecting grandchildren, all the rooms have more than one carer in play at any time and change/toilet areas are also very public.

Yes, that is what I find strange.
My limited exposure to them tells me they are usually open-plan, with few closed doors.
That is what makes me suspect this person carried a high level of authority, and may have been a government accreditation officer or counsellor.
If an accreditation auditor says, “I’d just like to interview a couple of children alone to ascertain that the level of care is up to scratch” or a counsellor says, “I’ve just observed some disturbing behaviour in the playground by that girl. I really need to book a one-on-one session with her”, that is less likely to be challenged.

Chris
Chris
August 2, 2023 2:04 pm

Of course, the real outrage is a CEO living in City Beach. Brighton but with a better beach.

Pipe down HB, I don’t want Eastern Staters finding out how good the beach is.

Arky
August 2, 2023 2:04 pm

This sounds “conspiratorial, but I always thought he had a furtive look about him when my husband and I came to pick up the children for my daughter at various times.

..
If we could identify these degenerates simply by how they look or sound or seem by first impressions Vicki, we wouldn’t need to take actual time and care over where we put our children. Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way, and one of the first things these individuals do is to put considerable time and effort into not looking or sounding the type.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 2:05 pm

Sorry, I don’t mean to sound all “red shoes on pizza in tunnels” but the child abuse story asks more questions than it answers.

Jorge
Jorge
August 2, 2023 2:08 pm

Some discussion this morning on RN of the housing bill which the Greens are opposing. After the bill is knocked back today it seems that Albo has up his sleeve the possibility of calling a DD election soon after the winter break.
How the referendum fits into this would be interesting.

The temperature in the Karvelas studio rose as she pressed him very mildly on the Treaty. Albanese sounded increasingly hot under the collar: ‘Patricia, Patricia, Patricia’ he kept repeating. Yet he would not give a straight answer. Imagine if Tony Abbott had chosen to respond to a female journo like that. Snarkiness and sneakiness couldn’t hide his discomfort.

The bullying continued with texts read out afterwards so that Karvelas had to reassure and placate listeners who seemed to think it unfair that a Labor politician in an ABC studio shouldn’t be given free and untrammelled rein. Who are we peons to question our seigneurial lords and masters. Karvelas better watch it. Soon they’ll be demanding the studio version of Prima nocta before entering.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 2:08 pm

Pipe down HB, I don’t want Eastern Staters finding out how good the beach is.

It could be a deserted pearly white beach with a permanent six-foot right hand break and G&Ts growing on trees served by bikini-clad babes for all I care.
It’s still in Perf.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 2, 2023 2:08 pm

Poland tells Ukraine it’s made a serious ‘mistake’

Kiev previously slammed Warsaw over “unacceptable” comments from a senior Polish official

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki has said Ukraine made a major error by summoning Warsaw’s envoy over remarks from a high-level presidential staffer, who suggested Kiev should be more grateful for the vast sums of foreign aid it has received.

Responding in a tweet on Tuesday, Morawiecki said the decision to summon the Polish ambassador “should never have taken place,” recalling that his country has backed Ukraine since the conflict with Russia erupted last year.

“In international politics, in the face of the ongoing war, and taking into account the enormous support that Poland has given Ukraine, such mistakes should not happen,” the premier said. “We will always defend Poland’s good name, its security, and the interest of no other country will ever prevail over the interest of the Republic of Poland.”

The prime minister’s rebuttal came just hours after the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry summoned Polish ambassador to Kiev, Bartosz Cichocki, to discuss recent statements by the head of the international policy bureau within the Polish presidential administration, Marcin Przydacz.

Speaking to the Polish broadcaster TVP, Przydacz defended a Polish ban on Ukranian grain imports, arguing

“it would be fitting for Ukraine to start appreciating the role Poland has played for Ukraine over the recent months and years.”

The Ukrainian government reacted negatively to the comments, with Foreign Ministry spokesman Oleg Nikolenko saying

“the statements about the alleged ingratitude of the Ukrainians for the assistance of the Republic of Poland do not reflect reality and as such are unacceptable.”

The deputy head of the Ukrainian president’s administration, Andrey Sibiga, also condemned “unfounded claims” that Kiev does not appreciate its neighbor’s help.

Polish Foreign Minister Pawel Jablonski rejected the criticisms from Kiev, insisting his country’s policies are guided by Polish interests while stressing the large amounts of assistance given to Ukraine over the last year.

With the European Union slashing quotas and tariffs on Ukrainian agricultural exports to bolster the country’s economy earlier in the conflict with Moscow, cheap grain has spilled into the EU’s common market, prompting protests from farmers in Eastern Europe.

Five members of the bloc, including Poland, initially ramped up their own restrictions on Ukrainian grain, though the EU as a whole later followed suit with a formal ban.

Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky has urged Brussels to lift the restrictions by September 15, calling the policy “un-European,” while Prime Minister Denis Shmigal also singled out Poland’s position as “unfriendly and populist.”

Pogria
Pogria
August 2, 2023 2:09 pm

Kae has no children.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 2, 2023 2:10 pm

Farmer Gez
Aug 2, 2023 1:56 PM

Required reading before tonight’s stoush.

https://www.vepc.org.au/_files/ugd/92a2aa_76c7e6d656a6439b8ad5488f0a37c941.pdf

I’ll be asking questions later.

Thanks Farmer Gez – Downloaded for night time reading of the 91 Pages

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 2, 2023 2:10 pm

Pipe down HB, I don’t want Eastern Staters finding out how good the beach is.

They’re all the same – great until the sea breeze comes in. Parking is better than Cott or Scarborough for what it’s worth.

Kneel
Kneel
August 2, 2023 2:11 pm

“…electing to stick the stinking thing underground in the first place! “

If you think these things cost a lot above ground, then the below ground cost would see you throwing a fit – this isn’t running a bit of cable to get a power point in your garage, they’re talking about lines carrying 500kV and several GW of power, and that will integral to the stability of the entire east coast grid.

Not only do you need to dig a trench the entire length of the line, which has to be buried deep enough to keep the plebs “safe”, and needs signs warning you of its presence every x metres, you need to put a “cap” over it so it’s harder to inadvertently dig up, and you also need to use some sort of insulator for the cabling – usually a gas (like SF6, now banned) or a liquid (like de-gasified mineral oil). That means they have to have regular maintenance too – if the insulation fails for any reason, the entire line is out of service until you find exactly where it is broken, dig it up and replace the damaged section, re-fill the entire line with the insulator, test, backfill the trench, test again and then finally get it back into service.

It wouldn’t make the grid “gold plated”, it would make it “solid platinum”! The higher costs would be on-going, and due the the maintenance headaches, you’d probably need to double the amount of interconnects to have any shot at reliability.

Frank
Frank
August 2, 2023 2:14 pm

Sorry, I don’t mean to sound all “red shoes on pizza in tunnels” but the child abuse story asks more questions than it answers.

Adrenochrome harvesting syndicate it is then.

calli
calli
August 2, 2023 2:16 pm

It was Aliice. She lived on the northern beaches and used to have amazing rows with Rabz and others.

I think she had a nursing background also. Poor lady. Her son’s death took all the wind out of her sails, as it would. She was determined to campaign about drug sales via internet. I hope she made some inroads on that.

As for her loss, you never get over something like that.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 2, 2023 2:16 pm

Terry McCrann from yesty:

Why hasn’t the head of the United Nations been forced out of – indeed, laughed out of – office already?

UN secretary-general António Guterres – who used to be just another hack European socialist, bent on destroying their own country, in his case Portugal, before upgrading to aiming at global destruction – solemnly announced we had entered the era of “global boiling”.

Just a tad hyperbolic, just a smidgen of hysteria, there?

And going right off the climate cult script.

Didn’t he get the memo?

We had to move on from the original ‘global warming’ to the repackaged ‘climate change’, precisely because it has been hard to sustain the claim that the planet had actually, well, warmed.

The term also came in handy to cover the ‘global warming’ that played out as, well, global cooling: record low temperatures and record snowfalls and the like.

And then along comes this Portuguese prat to go straight from ‘global warming’ to ‘global boiling’, without even pausing to pass ‘global heating’. Now true, Europe and the US are having unusually hot summers.

As my colleague at The Australian, Adam Creighton, succinctly put it, in a biting article taking down the idiocies of Guterres, Hillary Clinton – now there’s a couple that deserve each other – and assorted other ‘experts’.

“It is summer in the US and it’s hot, in case you’ve missed the news”.

But lest anyone feel that they could take refuge from the ‘boiling globe’ in a cooling, refreshing dip, I refer you to a timely warning in our prestigious publication, the Financial Review.

A major AFR piece actually commenced: “As red-hot oceans amplify deadly heat waves”. Red hot oceans?

Those three words could actually be published? Without the deliberate intention of advising a potential reader: read no further, even greater idiocies await? Just a tad hyperbolic? Just a smidgen of hysteria?

Why not also some ‘expert’ – or two, or four, or forty – telling us how these ‘red hot oceans’ clearly explained the mass beaching of whales last week?

They were the smart ones, seeking to get out before the mass broiling.

But then, we have also been told that July was the “hottest July (and indeed any month) in 120,000 years”.

Where do you start to unpick something so utterly stupid, meaningless and, well, unscientific, even if published in the ‘Scientific American’?

And which should have, again, sparked unqualified, universal, ridiculing laughter?

Yet it was dutifully and breathlessly repeated by an utterly inane mainstream (and indeed, even more inane social) media. And repeated right around the – official UN title, please – Boiling Globe.

In truth, we are actually drowning in a sea of what I call ‘expertism’ – the virulent post-modern antithesis of true and now almost anachronistic ‘expertise’. In sum and in short: “Shut up, I’m an expert”.

It might make absolutely no sense, but I’m an expert.

We got it in spades through Covid, building on the bed of climate change/global warming’s established expertism lies. The – boiling global – master of that was of course Victoria’s own Chairman Dan.

And now hot from setting fire to another $1bn cheque by cancelling the Games, Char Dan’s now turned off the gas.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 2, 2023 2:17 pm

Exclusive: General, West Point Professor Ran Shadow Investigation to Hunt Down and Silence Military Whistleblower for Mean Tweets

An Army three-star general and a West Point associate professor used government resources in an unofficial investigation to hunt down and punish an anonymous active-duty whistleblower who criticized Army leaders and the Biden administration on social media, according to private emails and text messages obtained exclusively by Breitbart News.

Army Training and Doctrine Command Deputy Commander Lt. Gen. Maria Gervais and Army Maj. Jessica Dawson — who is also an “information warfare research scientist” at the Army Cyber Institute — used their official authority and access to government resources to track down the whistleblower and get him identified publicly and punished by his chain of command.

Despite the lack of evidence, they repeatedly accused the whistleblower of being a “counterintelligence” and “insider threat” in a seeming effort to trigger action by Army Criminal Investigative Division (CID) — an independent federal law enforcement agency with expansive powers designed to investigate serious felonies.

Pat Wier, a civilian defense attorney and Navy reservist, said a CID investigation would require an assumption or designation of a serious threat and called Gervais and Dawson’s trumping up of accusations for exercising free speech rights “wrongful.”

“His alleged actions did not rise to the level of a serious crime, or any crime at all,” he said.

Rather, it appeared to be an attempt by rogue military officials seeking to use the levers of government to punish political dissent.

Gervais and Dawson ran their shadow investigation for nearly a year, enlisting help from a mob of online associates consisting of progressive current and former members of the military who disagreed with the whistleblower politically.

Their efforts led to the doxxing — or public “outing” — of the suspected whistleblower’s identity and an Army two-star general’s former aide filing an inspector general complaint against him, a weaponization of the IG system in retaliation for critical social media posts.

That complaint then sparked an investigation into the whistleblower by his chain of command (what is known as a 15-6 investigation). The investigating officer found that the suspected whistleblower, Army Chief Warrant Officer 2 Samuel Shoemate, had violated Army Regulation 600-20 by “posting derogatory and disrespectful images/memes on multiple social accounts … towards different Senior Officials and Military Leaders.”

It also found that Shoemate violated Uniform Code of Military Justice Articles 88 (Contempt towards Senior Officials), 89 (Disrespect toward Superior Commissioned Officers, 133 (Conduct Unbecoming of an Officer and Gentleman), and DOD Instruction 5400.17 Official Use of Social Media for Public Affairs Purposes.

The investigating officer recommended “appropriate adverse administrative action and/or appropriate UCMJ action” against Shoemate. He ultimately was given a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand — essentially a letter of reprimand. He retired from the Army on Tuesday, August 1, 2023.

Shoemate, who is planning to begin speaking about his experience publicly, told Breitbart News in a statement:

The DOD publicly boasts about its adherence to the law with numerous checks and balances in place to prevent unlawful conduct, but the shadow policy it actually operates under allows senior officers and officials to act with impunity as seen here.

A lieutenant general colluding with various other senior officials to conduct their own unofficial investigation, with the use of government resources, is emblematic of larger, systemic abuses observed within the DOD in recent years.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 2, 2023 2:19 pm

If you take Germany and France the number is

Golly, you completely ignored my question about Soviet vs German losses. How amazing!

Russia hasn’t been doing most of the attacking.

Um, Bakhmut.

calli
calli
August 2, 2023 2:20 pm

Someone “roaming” from centre to centre does not sound like a normal employee, but rather someone employed to, say, inspect.

Yes, it has that certain rancid hum that we know and love. The stench of concealment and misdirection and protection.

Gilas
Gilas
August 2, 2023 2:21 pm

RF Kennedy Jr has recently been interviewed by Lex Fridman, among others.
Time stamps available, but the whole 2 and a half hours are engrossing.
Truly impressive guy, his breadth of knowledge regarding the Cold War, Bay of Pigs Crisis, JFK, out-of-control CIA, vaxxes and Fauci are well worth listening to.

Not perfect, but then no Presidential hopeful is.. he’s a climate orthodox but not extreme.
Open about his past battle with the bottle, eminently sensible.
On foreign policy, military-industrial kleptocracy, economics and Big Pharma, he is potentially asking for the special JFK treatment.
He is THAT sensible!

If Trump or Vivek were to get the soft-point REM .223 therapy prior to November 2024, this guy will be a fantastic replacement.
The only Dementocrat who doesn’t automatically deserve pissing on!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 2:23 pm

Pogria

Aug 2, 2023 2:09 PM

Kae has no children.

Um, yes.
What I said was “that is the name which keeps popping up but I know it is not right”.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 2, 2023 2:24 pm

US tightens travel rules for Hungarians over ‘security vulnerabilities’

Washington curbs Esta visa waiver scheme amid concerns about identity checks for citizenship applicants

The US has tightened a visa waiver programme for Hungarians after saying Budapest failed to ensure adequate identity checks for nearly 1mn people to whom it has granted citizenship in recent years.

The decision, announced by the US embassy in the Hungarian capital on Tuesday, is effective immediately. Under the new rules, the US’s Esta visa waiver entry permit for Hungarian passport holders will be valid for one year rather than two and only allow single rather than multiple entry, the embassy said. The new rules do not affect approvals granted before the announcement.

In a statement, the embassy cited “security vulnerabilities created by [Hungary’s] earlier implementation of its simplified naturalisation process” for ethnic Hungarians in the region.

The government led by rightwing populist Viktor Orbán issued about 1mn passports to ethnic Hungarians in countries such as Ukraine, Romania, Slovakia and Serbia between 2011 and 2020. But the US has said it did so “without adequate security measures in place to verify their identities”.

Under the Esta system, citizens of the 40 participating countries can enter and leave the US multiple times during the two-year period without a visa and remain each time for up to 90 days. Hungarians will now need to apply for a permit each time they cross the US border.

Orbán has locked horns with Washington over a string of issues in recent years, including his closeness with Russia, Budapest’s delayed approval for Sweden’s application to join Nato, reluctance to join the western aid effort for Ukraine following Moscow’s full-scale invasion of the country in 2022 and a crackdown on LGBT+ rights.

The US has complained for years that Hungary’s passport programme is filled with loopholes, leading to possible abuse by malign actors. It made Hungary’s participation in Esta provisional in 2017 and for three years has required Hungarian citizens born outside Hungary to obtain a visa for entry.

“Despite extensive efforts over many years by the US government to avoid this outcome and resolve longstanding security issues arising from Hungary’s simplified naturalisation process, the Hungarian government has opted not to address the concerns,” the embassy said.

Hungary’s interior ministry said on Tuesday that the US had demanded Budapest hand over personal data of dual citizen ethnic Hungarians living outside Hungary. It did not detail what kind of data.

The ministry told state news agency MTI that the government had refused to comply with that request as “the security of ethnic Hungarians was at stake.

Therefore the government of President Joe Biden has taken revenge on Hungarians”.

Hungary was the only Esta participant affected by the new restrictions, US ambassador to Budapest David Pressman told Politico, the news outlet.

The US had tightened the regulations in response to a continued failure by Budapest to respond to its concerns, Pressman said, adding: “This is about choice.”

Rosie
Rosie
August 2, 2023 2:24 pm

I think the centres are going to remain unnamed to protect the identity of victims.
I also suspect, thinking about my very articulate just turned three grandchildren, the victims were likely to have been very, very young.

calli
calli
August 2, 2023 2:27 pm

Thanks for the movie warning, Gilas. We need to know what garbage to avoid. I take zero notice of movie critics and even less of Academy Awards which are now completely termited.

In other news, the sawbones tells me I need a new knee on account of my injury. Two weeks and I’m up for a session of medical carpentry. Yay!

That’s put the kybosh on swanning around Cairns on a work junket. Probably just as well. It sounded too high calorie.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 2:27 pm

Aliice!
That’s it, thanks calli.
Yes, must have been terrible.
But taking it out on bystanders like Rabz doesn’t really help anyone, least of all her.

calli
calli
August 2, 2023 2:32 pm

No, no, no! The arguments were all well before the tragedy…they were hilarious generators of insults. Flensers, knuckle dusters, assegais and the odd Doc Marten.

The mornings after when I’d be summoned with the pressure cleaner and skip.

Good times.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 2, 2023 2:32 pm

Gilas – RFK jr will never be elected for the exact same reason Trump, nor any Republican, will ever be elected. It’s us vs them and ‘them’ control the electoral apparatus, the justice system, most of the courts and all of the bureaucracy. RFK jr is an absolute danger to these people, like Trump. It ain’t going to happen.

If pigs flew and he somehow was elected I would not be surprised if he ditched climate bedwetting as well. Scepticism of one area of received wisdom tends to lead to scepticism in other areas as well. The modus operandi of such things is amazingly similar.

COVID PSYOP vs. Climate PSYOP: Can you spot the differences? Exhaustive list of similarities – Both used models to predict doom, fear to strip us of freedom & canceled all dissent (1 Aug)

Rosie
Rosie
August 2, 2023 2:33 pm

Luciie.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 2:34 pm

calli

Aug 2, 2023 2:20 PM

Someone “roaming” from centre to centre does not sound like a normal employee, but rather someone employed to, say, inspect.

So I’m not the only one getting a whiff of hydrogen sulphide in their nostrils over this.
I am starting to think one or both of:-
.1 a state or local government employee who was given far too wide-ranging powers and access; and/or
.2 a member of an ethnic group who we shan’t name because xxxxx-phobia. Again, someone who might have held sway over other staff members from the same background.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 2, 2023 2:35 pm

The beginning of the end of Britain’s net zero consensus

It took hold in a world of low inflation and national confidence that is long gone

JANAN GANESH

An English poet once wished for the bombing of Slough. Fans of Brentford FC hear the chant of, “You’re just a bus stop in Hounslow” from opposing crowds. And then there is Staines, the cradle of Ali G.

The towns and suburbs in the vicinity of Heathrow airport receive cruel treatment.

Then, last month, one blasted itself on to the map and, I argue, into history.

In Uxbridge, the Labour party lost a winnable by-election as locals mutinied against a green levy.

Since then, Rishi Sunak, the Conservative prime minister, has said nice things about fossil fuels and confirmed plans for new drilling licences in the North Sea.

Britain will look back on this seemingly banal election in this ostensibly quiet summer as the beginning of the end of its net zero consensus.

It was always paper-thin. In 2019, when Britain committed to net zero greenhouse gas emissions by the middle of the century, inflation was 2 per cent.

A decade had passed since the previous recession.

Had politicians been frank about the cost of the green transition, voters might have felt prosperous enough to pay it.

Now? Not a chance.

Let us dispose of the idea that net zero is popular.

Yes, in Ipsos surveys, voters endorse various green policies by supermajorities. But when a financial cost is attached to them, most are rejected.

(“Creating low-traffic neighbourhoods”? 61 per cent against to 22 per cent for.)

And that was in November 2022, after a summer of sadistic heat.

Last month, a YouGov poll found that around 70 per cent of adults support net zero. If this entailed “some additional costs for ordinary people”, however, that share falls to just over a quarter.

The wonder isn’t the political faltering of net zero. The wonder is that it took until Uxbridge.

This, I think, is the argument that a future Tory leader will make, and to great electoral effect: “Human-induced climate change is real and terrible. Don’t mistake us for denialists.

But this is a medium-sized, post-industrial nation that accounts for around 1 per cent of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions.

The ecological future of the Earth rests on giant middle-income countries, not on us.

“We should decarbonise. It would be weird to abstain from a technological crusade that America and the EU are going to make sure happens regardless.

Britain has already committed a fortune in sunk costs. But a rush to net zero? That will cost you, dear voter, in ways that we politicians have obfuscated in the past.

And what will that cost achieve? Not a material dent in the climate problem, but the setting of a moral example, as though India and China set their watches by us.

Liberals forever accuse us on the right of overrating Britain’s sway in the world.

Well, look who is grandstanding now.”

Faced with this message, what does Labour do?

Allow itself to contest election after election as the expensive but righteous party?

It is beyond imagining.

And so the net zero consensus will break down from both sides.

What was a hard and codified mission in 2019 might, over time, morph into something more like the Nato “guideline” to spend 2 per cent of national output on defence.

None of this is written with glee.

The politics, not the intrinsic rightness, of net zero, is the subject of this column.

And those politics seem untenable.

The one thing holding net zero together is the stigma attached to coming out against it (Sunak, notice, still won’t do that) but this needn’t last.

Until well into this century, a “eurosceptic” was someone who wanted no part of the EU’s single currency or labour market rules.

Outright rejection of EU membership itself marked one out as somewhat farouche. “In Europe”, a Conservative leader took care to stipulate at the 2001 election, lest people think him a freak, “but not run by Europe”. And he was still annihilated.

Over time, that taboo crumbled.

When it did, lots of people realised that only a concern for social respectability had kept them from expressing their true preference.

The past couple of weeks might have had the same liberating effect on net zero sceptics.

I so hate to use the worn-out Hemingway line about how a person goes bankrupt (“Gradually and then suddenly”).

It is one step up from beginning a column with, “It is a truth universally acknowledged?.?.?.”

The trouble is that it really does capture something about politics.

A change can be in the works for years, under the surface, until an event exposes, legitimises and accelerates it. Uxbridge feels like one such.

The western fringes of London will have a new kind of infamy.

Chris
Chris
August 2, 2023 2:35 pm

The Australian Institute of Geoscientists are offering a half-day workshop on the Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Act.
The Minister Tony Buti Minister for Education, Aboriginal Affairs, Citizenship and Multicultural Interests is a presenter;
a faceless bureaucrat from the Department of Land, Planning and Heritage,
Kim Bridge from an aboriginal corporation,
Andrew Paterson, CEO of Great Boulder Resources,
and Warren Pearce from AMEC.
Apparently its at Burswood on Swan, which makes it accessible for demonstrations… and only $165 to go in to the event.
My wife will be in hospital, maybe I can go…

Rosie
Rosie
August 2, 2023 2:35 pm

Got the ii right LOL.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 2:36 pm

Oh, right.
Stoushing for the sake of it.
Thank God those days are behind us.
..

I’m sure it was Aliiice not Luciiie.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 2, 2023 2:40 pm

calli
Aug 2, 2023 2:32 PM

No, no, no! The arguments were all well before the tragedy…they were hilarious generators of insults. Flensers, knuckle dusters, assegais and the odd Doc Marten.

EXCLUSIVE: Putting their foot in it! Dr Martens engulfed in woke storm after promoting boots that show a transgender person with breast removal scars on their chest

. Dr Martens is facing criticism for promoting boots with mastectomy scars
. Boots designed by ‘queer artist’ whose work includes ‘Periods Have No Gender’

Dr Martens — once the footwear of choice for skinheads and punks — has become the latest company to be engulfed in a woke storm after promoting boots that appear to endorse transgender surgery.

The shoemaker gave away a pair of custom rainbow-colored boots that features a topless cartoon person with scars under their breasts — a hallmark of breast removal surgery — as part of a promotional stunt.

The LGBTQ+ friendly boots — designed by a self-described ‘queer illustrator’ — were advertised on the company’s Instagram account and website last week, sparking a furious debate among its customers and social media users.

calli
calli
August 2, 2023 2:40 pm

Lucie was either a Grigsock or a Grigpal. She had some minor pushback then a colossal boil over resulting in either a golden flounce or a banning.

Then yet another one appeared whinging about “what was done to her”. It was like something out of the Fourth Form. Sinc’s blog was never meant for tender sensibilities.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 2:40 pm

BTW, the alleged offender may not be from a particular ethnic group, but may be from another protected cohort.
(Cough) drag queen storytime (cough).
If not, we would have been given a snippet like, “the 45 year old is described as Caucasian and lives with his wife and children on the Gold Coast”.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 2, 2023 2:42 pm

Get back to the reading Sancho.
I expect the executive summary to be read before 4pm.
Key concepts are:
Spillage and subsequent curtailment in network planning.

Rosie
Rosie
August 2, 2023 2:45 pm

At least there was a Lucie, Calli.
There were a few Grigs-in-drag over the years.
I liked it when he forgot which gender he had assigned to a particular sock.

Cassie of Sydney
August 2, 2023 2:45 pm

“I’ve never ever liked seeing men work in childcare.”

Yep.

calli
calli
August 2, 2023 2:47 pm

I remember when Alice got her extra “i”. She made a mistake entering it in the box and decided she liked it.

Kae had her own blog, “Bloodnut blog” from memory. She’s commented over at CL’s.

The other Kittehs I miss are Ms Doolittle, Annie and Nilk. They went to a demmo and uploaded photos. Can’t remember what it was about, but in Melbourne you’ll demonstrate over anything. 😀

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 2, 2023 2:51 pm

Courts & Justice
Emails expose bitter dispute between Gina Rinehart’s children
Aaron BunchAAP
Tue, 1 August 2023 8:51PM

A prospector fighting for millions in royalties from a massive iron ore project has read out in court private emails sent by billionaire Gina Rinehart’s children discussing a legal battle against their mother.

John Hancock told his sister Hope Rinehart in a 2006 email that he had consented to a secret Supreme Court hearing to protect a deal with mining giant Rio Tinto, DFD Rhodes lawyer Jeremy Stoljar told a complex legal case over mining tenements in Western Australia’s northwest on Tuesday.

“(This) is to ensure there is no publicity that might jeopardise the banks or Rio in dealings with Hope Downs,” Mr Stoljar said Mr Hancock wrote.

“Our case is based purely on the very straightforward legal principle that a trustee of a trust cannot do a deal with trust assets that result in a benefit to herself or one of her companies,” the email continued.

“My case is simply that any benefit that flows from the Rio deal must flow to the trust.”

Mr Hancock went on to say there was no doubt that their mining pioneer grandfather, Lang Hancock, wanted Hancock Prospecting to give financial assistance to the trust to develop Hope Downs.

He said there was no reason to take Hope Downs out of the trust for the company to develop it.

In a further email to Hope Rinehart, Mr Hancock calls her “Hopstar” and warns her to be careful about what documents she signs.

Mr Stoljar also read two emails sent from Hope Rinehart to Mr Hancock expressing concerns that if he won the case over the trust it could cause the joint venture deal with Rio Tinto to fail.

“(Hope Downs) will be screwed,” she said in one.

“Glad to hear of your plan for financing and Rio (Tinto). Just hope it is solid so it doesn’t mess up Hope Downs’ dollars,” she said in another.

Hope Rinehart forwarded the email to her sister Bianca Rinehart several days later, who then sent it to her mother, Gina Rinehart, according to Mr Stoljar.

“That’s all that was there. I’ll have to wait for idiot John to reply to her before I can see if she sent anything else,” Bianca Rinehart wrote.

The family company of deceased prospector Don Rhodes wants 1.25 per cent royalty share of Hope Downs’ production, over an alleged deal with Lang Hancock and his business partner, Peter Wright, that saw it hand over tenements in the 1960s.

But the high-stakes stoush in the WA Supreme Court centres around Mr Wright’s heirs, who are fighting through their company, Wright Prospecting, for a series of Hope Downs tenements and royalties.

Gina Rinehart’s company Hancock Prospecting is also represented, as are John Hancock and Bianca Rinehart, with about two dozen lawyers packing the Perth courtroom for the case that is expected to run until November.

The pair assert they are entitled to a hefty share in the Pilbara operation, amid a fraud allegation against their mother, which they say defeats the Wrights’ claim.

Hancock Prospecting is defending against the prospectors’ claims and maintains it undertook all the work at Hope Downs and bore the financial risk involved in the development, and is the legitimate owner of the assets.

calli
calli
August 2, 2023 2:52 pm

Ooooooh…someone didn’t like that. *waves*

Must have been right over the target.

Also miss Gab. Always had all guns blazing with extras loaded and a belt of grenades to be sure.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 2, 2023 2:52 pm

calli
Aug 2, 2023 2:16 PM</blockquotYes it was Aliice, son bought drugs with bitcoin. I often think of her and the devastation of that tragedy, I think she and her husband were away at the time. Just terrible.

JC
JC
August 2, 2023 2:52 pm
Pogria
Pogria
August 2, 2023 2:52 pm

Daily Mail had the name and a pic of the kiddie monster earlier today. Peed off I didn’t think to capture it. It has been disappeared.
Someone may have been able to do a search to see if he was a pubic serpent. Didn’t look or read like a minority.

Chris
Chris
August 2, 2023 2:53 pm

Pipe down HB, I don’t want Eastern Staters finding out how good the beach is.

They’re all the same – great until the sea breeze comes in. Parking is better than Cott or Scarborough for what it’s worth.

And the sea breeze hits at 7am and there are only two parking spaces at Scabs and one at Cott!

It could be a deserted pearly white beach with a permanent six-foot right hand break and G&Ts growing on trees served by bikini-clad babes for all I care.
It’s still in Perf.

See HB? See? He KNOWS!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 2, 2023 2:54 pm

. Boots designed by ‘queer artist’ whose work includes ‘Periods Have No Gender’

Perhaps the Queer Artist should have listened to

Julie Covington – Only Women Bleed – Just a great song from 1977…..

PS Julie Covington Groupie Fan from Rock Follies

Rock Follies Blueberry Hill

Plus for Cat Ladies

Rock Follies Good Behaviour

Topped off with

ROCK FOLLIES sugar mountain 1976

Gilas
Gilas
August 2, 2023 2:56 pm

A notable chapter in the RFK Jr interview with Lex Fridman is at 45 minutes, a detailed description of the personal diplomacy between JFK and Khrushchev that saved us from a nuclear holocaust.

AFAIK, all under the radar stuff.. unknown at the time.
JFK being literally undermined by his generals. especially Curtis LeMay, who wanted a nuclear conflict, and who almost succeeded in attacking individual Cuban missile silos which, unbeknown to the US Army, had officers with prior permission to fire on the US, if attacked, without further clearance from the Kremlin.
To justify his case, LeMay figured he could achieve “only” 30 million US dead vs 130 million Russians casualties.
A f@cking lunatic, who unfortunately was allowed to die in his bed.

JFK, RFK and Bob McNamara won the day, JFK and NK personally agreeing on a deal for the USSR to withdraw all 60 (!) missile installations in Cuba, the US promising to withdraw their missiles in Turkey within 2 months.
Promise kept, millions of lives saved.

Compare that statemanship with the current, demented, insane clusterf@cks in DC and their criminal action in Ukraine.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 2, 2023 2:58 pm

ACT’s system of justice hangs in the balance over Bruce Lehrmann prosecution
janet albrechtsen Follow @jkalbrechtsen janet albrechtsen

12:00AM August 2, 2023

There is a dark cloud hanging over the proper administration of justice in the ACT. The Sofronoff report, handed to the ACT Chief Minister on Monday, will go some way to lifting that cloud. But only a series of resolute responses to that report can reset justice in the nation’s capital territory.

One of the most serious issues aired during the May public hearings concerned evidence that ACT Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold instructed a very junior solicitor to draft an affidavit asserting that legal professional privilege attached to police documents known as the Investigative Review Documents.

These documents, sought by Bruce Lehrmann’s lawyers but withheld by Drumgold, revealed inconsistencies in evidence provided by Brittany Higgins about her allegation of rape and questions about her credibility.
Read Next

When Lehrmann’s legal team made an application to the court for disclosure, Drumgold instructed solicitors in his office to draft an affidavit to support nondisclosure on the basis that the documents were protected by legal professional privilege. Drumgold gave evidence that it was for the Australian Federal Police, not him, to assert legal privilege over the documents.

Therefore, an affidavit would need to cite the AFP was the source of information about privilege. Drumgold emailed two solicitors in his office about drafting the affidavit. The more senior of the two solicitors asked Drumgold, by return email, what the source of the information about legal privilege would be.

Drumgold did not respond to that question. Instead, he told the more senior solicitor that he would instruct the junior solicitor to deal with this part of the affidavit. Drumgold sent the young solicitor suggested wording for the critical part of the affidavit that claimed the police documents sought by the defence were privileged.
READ MORE: DPP ‘at risk of charges’ if he misled court |

That wording was included in the affidavit sworn by the junior solicitor at the DPP’s direction. It created a falsehood, when presented to the court and to the ACT Chief Justice, that police had claimed privilege over the investigation documents. In fact, the AFP had not claimed privilege over these internal investigation documents. Evidence presented to the inquiry revealed that police believed these documents should have been disclosed to defence.

If Walter Sofronoff KC finds the DPP was knowingly involved in presenting a false affidavit to the ACT Supreme Court for the purposes of withholding information from the defence, Drumgold’s demand for this inquiry last year will rate as the biggest legal own goal since Oscar Wilde brought a defamation suit against the Marquess of Queensberry.

The ACT government’s response will be critical to the administration of justice in the ACT. Consider what was at stake. A young man was on trial for rape. If he was found guilty, he would, in all likelihood, go to jail. If the DPP tried to withhold evidence on false grounds, and if he presented that falsehood to the court, the DPP’s removal from high office is the easy decision. So is his removal from the roll of legal practitioners.

The most important decision will be to investigate whether the DPP knowingly attempted to pervert the course of justice.

The information that the DPP potentially tried to withhold from Lehrmann’s lawyers may have assisted them in formulating their client’s defence. The information may have revealed material that could have given rise to trains of inquiry for Lehrmann’s lawyers to pursue. Any attempt to withhold that information would interfere with those avenues of defence, and potentially it would keep information hidden that should probably have gone to the jury.

Pogria
Pogria
August 2, 2023 2:59 pm

No, my mistake. The pic and story was about the website owner where the kiddie monster disseminated his crimes.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 2, 2023 3:00 pm

Trump legal has all this waiting in the wings. He’ll be fine.

‘It’s Okay When We Do It’: 10 Minutes of Democrats Denying Election Results

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 2, 2023 3:01 pm

AI entering the dating pool is a bleak prospect

As matchmaking apps struggle, the temptation to lean on this technology could prove risky

Terrible news from the world of online dating.

As if a parade of dubious romantic prospects and dead-end chats wasn’t bad enough, artificial intelligence has dipped its toe into the dating pool.

Eleven years ago, Tinder helped to turn dating into a series of quick-fire interactions on the internet.

But for some jaded users, even writing “Hi” to a romantic prospect is now too much effort.

Tech start-ups such as Rizz and YourMove AI are gaining a foothold in the sector by offering AI assistance in creating witty opening lines and appealing profiles.

Meeting strangers on the internet is by nature a random affair.

Artificial chat is at least a less sinister way to help that process along than asking users to swab the insides of their mouth, as DNA-dating app Pheramor once did.

But a proliferation of AI-assisted conversations suggests that eventually dating apps will simply be full of computers trying to woo other computers.

One start-up even offers the chance to watch this exact premise unfold.

Teaser AI asks users questions about themselves and their personalities and then crafts AI-generated chat that is designed to mimic them.

When individuals match, they can sit back and watch as their chatbots try to chat each other up. 

The companies behind the biggest dating apps are following these developments with great interest.

Bumble claims that AI is improving matches. Chief executive Whitney Wolfe Herd has also said that AI might be used to simplify the process of creating an online dating profile, helping people to become more confident. 

Match, which owns Tinder and OkCupid, notes that Tinder already uses AI to moderate photos (a bid to keep the site respectable).

Now it wants to see if it can help with profile creations. Generative AI could ease online dating “fatigue”, said Match chief executive Bernard Kim in May.

He argues that having an AI assistant at hand could help to tackle the scourge of modern dating that is ghosting — ie someone abruptly terminating all contact without warning.

But daters who need AI to remind them to end a conversation may not bother to take the advice.

Plus, already fragile ties between strangers will fracture further if one or both suspect that they are not engaging with a real person.

Ghosting would become even more common. 

Undeterred, online tech magazine Wired made the bold claim this year that AI would make dating more fun by serving up pithy icebreakers.

It claimed any opposition was the result of tedious cynicism. Yet even the pithiest of opening lines loses value once you know that it didn’t come from a real person.

Journalist Nancy Jo Sales, who once wrote a book about her online dating exploits, points out that AI eliminates the entire point of dating, which is supposed to be about getting to know another person. 

There is also the possibility that the technology will supercharge the problem of fake accounts. If real users are adding AI-generated chat then bots will become more difficult to identify.

This is something that dating apps and their users are both very sensitive about.

Putting off users is a gamble that these apps cannot afford to take.

The number of paying users at Tinder have flatlined. Parent company Match Group’s share price has fallen by more than a third in the past 12 months. Rival dating app company Bumble, which listed on markets in 2021 at $43 per share, now trades at just over $18. 

It’s not as if users of other forms of social media have shown much interest in chatting with AI, either.

After Snapchat added an AI chatbot called My AI, users were so cross that they posted multiple negative reviews on Apple’s App Store. “Either make your new AI experiment bearable to speak to, or remove it from the top of my friends list,” wrote one.

Meta’s suggestion that AI personas can help its users in messaging apps WhatsApp and Messenger has also received little positive feedback. 

In the end, AI-enhanced seduction may turn out to be no more sophisticated than the human kind.

The test will come when the conversation moves beyond the app. In the real world, it will quickly become apparent who was blessed with genuine charm and who was flirting with a little help from AI all along.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 2, 2023 3:05 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Aug 2, 2023 2:58 PM

ACT’s system of justice hangs in the balance over Bruce Lehrmann prosecution
janet albrechtsen Follow @jkalbrechtsen janet albrechtsen

12:00AM August 2, 2023

Thanks Zulu

– Was hoping someone would paste that JA has been Excellent in exposing the Grifters

eric hinton
eric hinton
August 2, 2023 3:07 pm

Damn. My Docs are strictly a weddings and funerals proposition these days. Even so I’m going to miss them.

Vicki
Vicki
August 2, 2023 3:08 pm

Was he not actually an employee of these centres but someone with an over-arching role covering several centres? It is inconceivable that, say, a maintenance guy or delivery driver visiting centres could get access to much time alone with one kid. Was it someone in a government role, with a level of authority?

Sadly, I think it is more likely a regular employee. As I mentioned, the community child centre I was acquainted with had two male employees who worked with the children. My impression was that one was a gifted worker with pre school children, and the other was just downright strange.

Not sure whether the one looking after the babies and tiny tots was ever left alone as there was another female employee who worked with him. But then I only attended from time to time to pick up the kids.

This may be an unpopular thing to say….but I think this terrible (& probably isolated crime) will give career women second thoughts about their aims in life.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 2, 2023 3:13 pm

What’s happening tonight Gez?

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 2, 2023 3:14 pm

If we got six foot beachbreaks off Perf I would have spent much of my life fitter and a better surfer. Hard to maintain the stoke on a constant diet of closeouts and 3 hour road trips.

Chris
Chris
August 2, 2023 3:22 pm

If we got six foot beachbreaks off Perf I would have spent much of my life fitter and a better surfer. Hard to maintain the stoke on a constant diet of closeouts and 3 hour road trips.

Yeah, its sad. I go in when I just shouldn’t because good conditions are rare.
I am extremely grateful to be alive after getting pile-driven into the bottom at City Beach a few years ago.
But you shoulda been here last week!

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 2, 2023 3:22 pm

Even did a couple of trips to Hossegor to see what we missing out on which merely confirmed breachbreaks are pretty fickle.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
August 2, 2023 3:23 pm

The childcare centres will not be named, allegedly to protect victims’ privacy. A Victorian judge used the same logic to suppress the names of the schools at which state school teacher Vincent Reynolds abused 39 kids over many years. But for some strange reason, this concern doesn’t seem to apply to non-government schools. Reynolds got a head sentence of 12 years, by the way:twice Pell’s for over 19 times as many victims (or so-called victims in Pell’s case). Go figure, as our American friends would say.

Meanwhile, the ABC is true to form with this: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-02/nz-abuse-royal-commission-findings-describe-hell-on-earth/102677564

The NZ royal commission, unlike Gillard’s sham, did some serious investigation of government institutions, but the ABC has nothing to say about that.

That ABC/Fairfax fave and Paterson’s curse of childcare policy, Georgie Dent of The Parenthood (all kids should be in childcare for twelve hours a day from six weeks) has been conspicuous by her silence about the abuse case, hasn’t she?

Robert Sewell
August 2, 2023 3:25 pm

shatterzzz
Aug 2, 2023 11:50 AM

No he won’t abandon the referendum Roger but I wouldn’t be surprised if he did. If he can’t get it over the line, he must go.

Methinx, he knows this .. hence the number of “freebie” OS “tourisms” he fitting in .. just in case .. LOL!

I remain only cautiously hopeful. Those Labor party ‘helpers’ didn’t go to ‘observe’ the Democrat election strategies in the last US elections.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 2, 2023 3:26 pm

Remember one winter where there was a great bank about half way between the City Beach and Floreat groyne. Was there for about a week and never reappeared.

Cassie of Sydney
August 2, 2023 3:29 pm

“Someone may have been able to do a search to see if he was a pubic serpent. Didn’t look or read like a minority.”

I saw the piece in this morning’s Daily Mail. He’s no minority.

Cassie of Sydney
August 2, 2023 3:31 pm

The Oz is reporting…

Queensland Police said they received the two reports about the man in 2021 and last year without being able to prove he was involved in wrongdoing at the time.

Acting Queensland assistant commissioner Col Briggs said: “Both reports were subject to ­investigation. However, there was insufficient evidence to take action against any person based on the evidence available to ­investigators at that time.”

I find this odd.

Robert Sewell
August 2, 2023 3:38 pm

rickw
Aug 2, 2023 12:15 PM

European people on it, he whispers to me. We both thought it said something about ‘immigration in’. I pointed out to him that trip we did once on Scoot from Singapore was similar, mainly used by Chinese passengers.

This echoes my own experience on flights.
Out, almost empty, large proportion of Europeans.
In, bursting, almost no Europeans.
I wonder what the real immigration numbers are?
They’re on their final drive to push that knife deep into the heart of Australia.
PS: There is no real economic benefit to immigration when your selection criteria actively seeks the dumbest and to poorest.

I’m self censoring on this subject because I’m sick to death of my views on “Culture” have been relabelled as “Race” and it’s just not worth the harassment I’ve had over this deliberate tactic of denigrating views that are then accepted within 2 weeks from others without a murmur.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 2, 2023 3:43 pm

The ABC showing its disgraceful activist credentials once again:

The ABC has admitted a Four Corners crew attended ‘illegal’ protest at Woodside CEO’s house

By CAMERON ENGLAND
BUSINESS EDITOR
@CameronEngland
UPDATED 3:32PM AUGUST 2, 2023, FIRST PUBLISHED AT 3:21PM AUGUST 2, 2023
96 COMMENTS
The ABC has eventually admitted that a crew from investigative program Four Corners attended a protest by “extremist” activists at the private residence of Woodside Energy chief executive Meg O’Neill on Tuesday, but denies there was any collusion beforehand.

The organisation came under pressure to explain why an ABC news crew was at the protest organised by the Disrupt Burrup Hub group, which was roundly condemned as a gross invasion of privacy.

Both the federal and Western Australian resources ministers condemned the action, with the WA minister Bob Johnston and Samantha McCulloch, the chief executive of energy lobby group APPEA which Ms O’Neill chairs, demanding the ABC explain how its crew happened to be there at the same time as the protest.

READ NEXT
The ABC twice refused to confirm that the crew was from Four Corners, saying only that “We can confirm it was an ABC crew’’.

By mid-Wednesday the ABC had changed its tune, confirming it was indeed a Four Corners team.

“A Four Corners team attended the protest action to gather material for a potential report later this year,’’ an ABC spokesperson said in a statement.

“Just prior to the action the team received a tip to go to an address, they had no knowledge what was at the address or that it was someone’s house.’’

The spokesperson said the crew had no knowledge of what was going to occur, and “When they arrived the police were already in attendance, in numbers’’.

“The ABC team remained on public land observing what was happening and getting some vision, as journalists do.

“They at no time went on to private property or had any involvement in what was happening.

“The ABC team in no way colluded with the activists.’’

Meanwhile the Disrupt Burrup Hub group doubled down on Tuesday’s “extremist” protest, publishing pictures of Woodside Energy chief executive Meg O’Neill’s house on social media, and claiming that WA Police were “lying in wait at Ms O’Neill’s house, and may well have been doing so since at least 11pm the previous night’’.

The incident occured around 6.45am on Tuesday.

A statement published to the Disrupt group’s Facebook page, from its lawyer Zarah Burgess, said it was an outrage that the chief executive of a fossil fuel company was being protected from a “harmless protest’’ by a large cohort of police.

“I doubt very much that Ms O’Neill was taken by surprise, given at least a dozen officers were camped out at her property, ready to pounce on three peaceful climate campaigners and an ABC film crew.’’

Ms Burgess said the trio, Jesse Noakes, 34, Gerard Mazza, 31, and an unnamed 19 year old woman – plus one other person – were charged with “conspiracy to commit an indictable offence’’.

Ms Burgess said in her view the police case was “a weak one’’.

“At most, there might be a case for trespass.

“In fact, police originally arrested the campaigners on suspicion of trespass and criminal damage – this suggest that they have trumped up the charges to suit their own agenda.’’

Beyond confirming the details of the arrests WA Police declined to comment further as the matters are now the subject of court proceedings..

Despite the condemnation of its actions the Disrupt Burrup Hub group seized the opportunity to publicise its cause, posting photographs of Ms O’Neill’s house to social media, which include shots of the ABC crew.

The group also distributed the photographs to media outlets and put out a press release saying their “peaceful Disrupt Burrup Hub protest action was intercepted by around a dozen counter-terrorism police officers who were laying in wait at the scene’’.

“Officers arrested three peaceful climate campaigners at the home of Woodside CEO Meg

10 News report on protest which forced evacuation at Woodside’s Perth HQ
O’Neill, including a 19-year-old woman, all of whom remain in police custody this afternoon,’’ the group said late on Tuesday.

“They have since been charged. Following the early morning incident, WA Police arrested two further peaceful campaigners, both of whom had their homes raided and devices seized.’’

Disrupt Burrup Hub urgently recalled the original press release, as it identified by name the 19 year old woman arrested as part of the protest action.

Ms O’Neill called the protest a deliberate attempt to threaten her and her family, while federal Resources Minister Madeleine King called the invasion of the energy chief’s home an “extreme act” and not a legitimate protest.

Ms McCulloch said the incident went well beyond what was acceptable.

“The behaviour of activists today in targeting the private home of APPEA Chair Meg O’Neill is unacceptable and strongly condemned by Australia’s oil and gas industry,’’ Ms McCulloch said.

“The industry respects the rights of protesters to demonstrate legally in public places, but the private homes and families of business leaders should clearly be out of bounds.

“This is a deplorable escalation of the intimidation and tactics used by activist groups to stifle informed public debate on the energy transition.

“The ABC should also explain their reported involvement in the incident.”

In a statement, Ms King said­ “seeking to intimidate someone in their home or workplace is ­intolerable”.

“Extreme acts like this are not legitimate protest activity. Such acts are violent and ­

intimidating and I condemn it entirely.

“It would be a loss for all of us if Australia were to become the kind of place where public figures needed to surround themselves with security at all times.’’

Ms O’Neill said the incident was not a “harmless protest’’, but “was designed to threaten me, my partner and our daughter in our home’’.

“Such acts by extremists should be condemned by anyone who respects the law and believes people should be safe to go about their business at home and at work.’’

Woodside on Tuesday pointed to the camera crew’s presence to show the incident was “an organised and deliberate act designed to intimidate Ms O’Neill and her family’’.

“This is an unacceptable ­escalation in activity designed to threaten and intimidate by an ­extremist group which has no ­interest in engaging in respectful and constructive debate about Woodside’s role in the transition towards a lower-carbon world,’’ a Woodside spokesperson said.

“Illegal activity like this only serves to distract from the real work being undertaken to achieve decarbonisation.’’

In June a member of the Disrupt Burrup Hub group was arrested for allegedly setting off a “stench gas” bomb at Woodside’s company’s Perth headquarters, necessitating evacuation of the building.

The group is protesting the expansion of energy projects on the Burrup Peninsula in WA’s Pilbara region, with Woodside’s Scarborough and Pluto Train 2 projects targeting eight million tonnes a year of new gas from offshore wells starting in 2026.

local oaf
August 2, 2023 3:44 pm

calli 2:47 pm

Nilk’s Discord is still there, very little activity since early this year. Or last year on some threads.

JC
JC
August 2, 2023 3:45 pm

So far, Demonrat has made excuses for Hiden’s involvement in the crime family enterprise. Not in any particular order

1. He had no idea what the calls were about. He simply answered the phone and said, “hi.”

2. He merely picked up the phone to talk about the weather.

3. Hiden was distraught over his dead son and wasn’t paying attention to the discourse.

4. Hiden was so preoccupied with his Bunter’s well-being that he lost sight of what the calls were about.

There are others, but I’ve forgotten a few.

Before that.
1. Hiden never once discussed personal affiars with Bunter.
2. Hiden stated that he was never involved in any of Bunter’s commercial dealings.

Gilas
Gilas
August 2, 2023 3:45 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Aug 2, 2023 2:32 PM

RFK jr will never be elected for the exact same reason Trump, nor any Republican, will ever be elected.

Maybe right. If so, a civil war will eventually ensue.
Nothing is more certain.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 2, 2023 3:51 pm

Now it wants to see if it can help with profile creations. Generative AI could ease online dating “fatigue”, said Match chief executive Bernard Kim in May.

If we could equip AIs with sex organs, we could leave the whole business to the robots.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 2, 2023 3:53 pm

This animated map shows the true size of each country

Everything is relative.

One of the best known and commonly used world maps, the Mercator Projection, depicts Greenland and Africa as being roughly the same size. In reality, Africa is 14 times larger.

This clever animation by Neil Kaye, a climate data scientist at the Met Office – the United Kingdom’s national weather service – shows what the Mercator Projection would look like if it depicted the true size of each country in relation to others.

Suddenly, we see countries like the United States, Canada and Russia shrink (and separate, so that seas appear where there are none), while the giant landmasses of Africa and South America remain more or less the same.

Australia, which is the planet’s sixth largest country by size after Russia, Canada, China, the US and Brazil, also remains consistent across the animation.

Originally designed to be a navigator’s tool, the Mercator Map Projection has for centuries been a mariner’s best friend, because it represents lines of constant true direction, which means a straight line connecting any two points on the map will travel in the same direction that a compass would show.

The way it’s designed means that objects closer to the equator appear in relative scale to one another, but objects closer to the poles appear larger than they are.

In the 1980s, it became widely used in classrooms to teach geography, and until 2018, was Google’s choice of map projection.

In recent years, much has been made of the distortion it applies to relative country landmass size, but Kaye’s animation drives the point that it was designed for nautical purposes rather than as an educational resource.

Showing the Mercator Map Projection with the true size and shape of the country overlaid

#dataviz #maps #gis #mapping
Image

As Nick Stockton points out at Wired, “It’s really not a bad map. It’s just been in the wrong place for a long time.”

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
August 2, 2023 3:56 pm

But you shoulda been here last week!

Classic Endless Summer reference.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 2, 2023 4:02 pm

Old School Conservative Avatar
Old School Conservative
Aug 2, 2023 3:56 PM

But you shoulda been here last week!

Classic Endless Summer reference.

Movie The Endless Summer by Bruce Brown – 1hr 31 mins 31 secs

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 2, 2023 4:03 pm

BB
Transmission stoush featuring El Sancho & Rogerigo.

Chris
Chris
August 2, 2023 4:06 pm

In the 1980s, it became widely used in classrooms to teach geography,

Bollocks.
In the 1960s it was in wide use and teachers explained clearly what the Mercator projection distorted.
Probably racism.

John H.
John H.
August 2, 2023 4:08 pm

Male Monkeys Have More Homosexual Sex Than Straight Sex, Study Shows

Giraffes are worse and Bonobos are stranger.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 2, 2023 4:09 pm

The question has no bearing on your argument re UKR KIA.

I love the squirming. Yes it did. And you refusing to provide the inconvenient parallel data is a tell. Sorry Dover, being consistent is an important tactic in a debate.

It took what? 8 months of frontal attacks to take Bakhmut? Even Wagner fessed to the cost on, on their Telegram channel a couple weeks ago. Then there’s Mariupol, Lyman, Hostomel and the rest. The Ukrainians are currently on the offensive in a limp sort of way, but only because the Russians are exhausted. Maybe that will change, but the brutal nature of WW1 style warfare suggests to me that they can’t win. Not even with the national mobilization Girkin has been pushing for, which got him arrested last week. The Russian economy just can’t build enough stuff-which-goes-bang to do it. Perhaps with Chinese supply they might, but the cost to Russia will be very very high if Putin goes down that route. Mortgaging parts of one’s anatomy to the Chinese does not go well.

Chris
Chris
August 2, 2023 4:11 pm

Classic Endless Summer reference.

And specifically re Perth beaches too.

Muddy
Muddy
August 2, 2023 4:14 pm

Rosie
Aug 2, 2023 1:48 PM

I’ve never ever liked seeing men work in childcare.

My claws sprung out from the retracted position, but then I breathed. A little. Only a very little.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 2, 2023 4:15 pm

Giraffes are worse and Bonobos are stranger.

None can match a manatee.

Manatee, 38, dead after repeated ‘high intensity’ sex with brother (28 Jul)

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 2, 2023 4:18 pm

And specifically re Perth beaches too.

Should have been here last winter. On the Tuesday.

Cassie of Sydney
August 2, 2023 4:21 pm

“The ABC has admitted a Four Corners crew attended ‘illegal’ protest at Woodside CEO’s house”

As C.L. said a few weeks ago on his blog, the less people watch the ABC, the more dangerous and malevolent it becomes.

Just this week alone….

1. One of the soy boy creeps who infest the ABC, and who just happens to be the ABC foreign affairs correspondent Stephen Dziedzic, was caught on tape sharing his uncensored opinions. He described News Corp’s Sharri Markson as like “a pit bull” and being “so unhinged”. Why? Well, because Markson actually does old fashioned journalism, real investigatory journalism, not activism, such as investigating the origins of a virus that killed millions of people across the planet. She’s had the temerity to investigate and write about the likelihood that Covid originated from a Chinese lab. Markson is still awaiting an apology from the ABC and Dziedzic. Now, just imagine, for a brief shining moment, if Andrew Bolt or Chris Kenny had made similar jibes about..let’s say….Louise Milligan or Sarah Ferguson or Laura Tingle? The howls of outrage would be audible on Mars.

2. The ongoing defamation trial between Heston Russell and the ABC, particularly two of its so called journalists, one of those “journalists” is named Mark Willacy, and you’d be hard pressed to find a more mendacious and malevolent individual. In a just world, he’d be unemployable.

3. The ABC conveniently turns up at a eco extremist protest outside the home of Woodside Energy chief executive Meg O’Neill but the ABC “denies there was any collusion beforehand”. I say…………BULLDUST.

Here’s a truth, it is the ABC that’s unhinged, and we pay for it.

Now, I know there’s one or two here who maintain that a Coalition government (in the event there is ever one again) will do nothing to trim/curb/rein in the ABC because they’re fearful of upsetting the Nats, I’m not sure that applies anymore. As Matt Canavan (a National) himself has said, Sky is now available in rural and remote communities, and more and more people are watching Sky rather than their ABC. Until the day comes when a Coalition government decides to find the balls to directly tackle their ABC, the ABC will continue its daily Marxist malevolence against middle Australia, white males, Catholic prelates, Christians, Jews, conservatives, anyone right of centre, Liberal and National politicians, our soldiers, fossil fuel CEOs and so on.

Here’s a fact, the ABC is out of control.

Chris
Chris
August 2, 2023 4:25 pm

Go you good thing, Cassie!

Vicki
Vicki
August 2, 2023 4:25 pm

In recent years, much has been made of the distortion it applies to relative country landmass size, but Kaye’s animation drives the point that it was designed for nautical purposes rather than as an educational resource.

Showing the Mercator Map Projection with the true size and shape of the country overlaid

My God, I can’t cope with all of this! Now I find that accepted depictions of land masses was erroneous! Someone also pointed out to me recently that my antiquated globe on my desk in my library is actually wrong in its depiction of countries.

This is distressing. Is there nothing in the world that I grew up in that is actually real in today’s reality ?????

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 4:26 pm

Farmer Gez

Aug 2, 2023 2:42 PM

Get back to the reading Sancho.
I expect the executive summary to be read before 4pm.

Nah, I will wing it thanks.
I am something of a God Oracle on this stuff.
BTW, there will be no “stoushing” involving Sancho vs anyone.
Possibly a little bit of Sancho correcting homework if there has been some colouring over the lines.
HB is correct.
One central nuke or coal plant with radial transmission lines and distribution hanging off that is completely different to the spider’s web of transmission with scattered wind and solar “farms”.
Interesting that I saw this shit-fight on a Facebook page a while back about transmission towers. A hot-air balloon operator was complaining that the towers would interfere with their operations.
Someone asked how the towers compared with, say, a wind turbine, arguing that the towers were static structures, but the turbines might generate wake turbulence which could interfere with balloon ops even more.
Legit question, but shit the pile-on had to be seen to be believed.
“How dare you attack wind turbines!”
The Greenies hadn’t joined the dots that, although wind power was truly magical, it wasn’t quite magical enough to teleport itself to the consumer without the aid of transmission lines.

Chris
Chris
August 2, 2023 4:28 pm

Is there nothing in the world that I grew up in that is actually real in today’s reality ?????

I know right?
Plant food is now ‘carbon pollution’. and allowing gay marriage DID lead to gay grooming in schools.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 2, 2023 4:28 pm

Transmission stoush featuring El Sancho & Rogerigo.

I see, I thought it may have been another town hall meeting regarding power lines. Which I would have loved to attend

Vicki
Vicki
August 2, 2023 4:29 pm

One of the soy boy creeps who infest the ABC

LOVE your turn of phrase, Cassie!!!

Cassie of Sydney
August 2, 2023 4:31 pm

“being consistent is an important tactic in a debate.”

Let’s remember these words when the writer of these words is not consistent.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 4:35 pm

Cassie of Sydney

Aug 2, 2023 3:31 PM

The Oz is reporting…

Queensland Police said they received the two reports about the man in 2021 and last year without being able to prove he was involved in wrongdoing at the time.

Acting Queensland assistant commissioner Col Briggs said: “Both reports were subject to ­investigation. However, there was insufficient evidence to take action against any person based on the evidence available to ­investigators at that time.”

I find this odd.

It is indeed.
“Take action” could take two paths:-
1. Criminal charges; or
2. Removal of his WWC accreditation pending further investigation.
I don’t know about Queensssland, but the threshold in other jurisdictions for a WWCC is not necessarily as high as criminal culpability.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 2, 2023 4:35 pm

Acting Queensland assistant commissioner Col Briggs said: “Both reports were subject to ­investigation…”

I find this odd.

QLD Police are still a bit skittish, and will remain so until they take possession of the Abrams Tanks they will use for welfare checks.

Tom
Tom
August 2, 2023 4:36 pm

As C.L. said a few weeks ago on his blog, the less people watch the ABC, the more dangerous and malevolent it becomes.

The ABC is the media mouthpiece of the Greens, not middle Australia. The ABC’s activists laugh in the face of those who think it should serve its charter and the public interest.

The ABC achieves its hegemony by threatening any politician who even questions the role of the national broadcaster with a campaign of propaganda, humiliation and denigration, even though the ABC is now Australia’s least used media for consumers at the bottom of the ratings in both TV and radio.

Vicki
Vicki
August 2, 2023 4:37 pm

BTW Canavan is always so in tune with Middle Australia.

There are a few individual conservatives who have the balls to state the obvious. But Canavan is one of the very few who who feel the pulse of this land.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 2, 2023 4:38 pm

12:00AM August 2, 2023

Thanks Zulu

– Was hoping someone would paste that JA has been Excellent in exposing the Grifters

My pleasure, OldOzzie.

JC
JC
August 2, 2023 4:38 pm

You’ve got to love humanity.

What happens when the arguably most crucial technology to hit a theater near you in several decades, a potentially life-changing tech for all of humanity, hits the screen?

Pornographic simulation

A leading online AI image generation resource forum says up to a quarter of its content is porn or sexually explicit in nature, as the nation’s ­eSafety Commissioner warns of the proliferation and ­development of deepfake AI technology.

Since the public release of ChatGPT in November last year, there has been a flurry of generative AI tools to produce images and videos. The most common tools take plain English prompts like “black cat, jungle, cartoon style” and return an image. Perhaps unsurprisingly, they are increasingly being used to make deepfake pornography.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/technology/up-to-quarter-of-ai-image-generation-resources-are-porn-amid-school-deepfakes-warning/news-story/9acd57540d3eb4e80ee0aef73f8c2d6a

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 4:40 pm

Sorry Dover, being consistent is an important tactic in a debate.

You mean, like throwing all your metallurgical knowledge out the window when a fellow traveller posts some weird shit about metals replicating in the bloodstream?

Lee
Lee
August 2, 2023 4:40 pm

Here’s a truth, it is the ABC that’s unhinged, and we pay for it.

It’d be worth it to see a future Coalition government (because Labor/Greens never will) abolish the ABC, if only to see the likes of Turnbull’s and Rudd’s heads explode in outrage.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 2, 2023 4:40 pm

Cassie – I am consistent, and often right. Sometimes not. I welcome comments from people like you which correct any errors that I make, but at the same time I expect to debate and defend any claims. Assertions from authority don’t cut the mustard. I like links and citations to support corrections, it gives me something to follow up and check out. If such links aren’t provided then in my experience it usually means the argument being put forward is not sustainable.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 4:43 pm

And a big Cheerio! to Titus if he’s watching today out there in blog-land!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 2, 2023 4:44 pm

ABC journalist Mark Willacy denies breaching editorial standards in Heston Russell articles

By remy varga
NSW Reporter
@RemyVarga
3:14PM August 2, 2023

A senior ABC reporter has denied breaching the national broadcaster’s standards of accuracy and impartiality over online articles that former commando Heston Russell claims imply he was complicit in the execution of a prisoner.

Mark Willacy told the Federal Court on Wednesday that amending an online article to include a disclosure that a complaint had been received was “above my paygrade” and denied giving the ABC’s defamation defence to The Guardian’s media writer.

Under cross examination by defamation barrister Sue Chrysanthou SC, who is representing Mr Russell, Willacy denied breaching the ABC’s editorial standards on accuracy, fair and honest dealings and the use of sources.

“I disagree, my policies were signed off both editorially and legally,” he said.

Willacy also denied breaching the Media, Entertainment and Arts Alliance code of ethics and suppressing relevant available facts.

Mr Russell is suing the ABC, Willacy and journalist Josh Robertson over two articles published in 2021 which he says, through the use of links and his photograph, implied he was complicit in the execution of the prisoner, who was captured during a joint drug enforcement operation ­between Australia and the US.

Mr Russell is seeking aggravated damages and for the ABC to remove the article and stop repeating the allegations.

The Federal Court heard Robertson told Willacy he believed the killing took place in June or July but the ex-commando released a statement shortly after the article was published stating his platoon did not arrive until September.

When Ms Chrysanthou asked Willacy whether it occurred to him after receiving that information from Russell that his story was “just wrong”, the senior ABC journalist replied “No.”

“It was my understanding, and I don’t know how Mr Russell seems to know that they operated in Helmand not until September, but it was my understanding they were there before that in August,” said Willacy.

The court heard the ABC issued a press release defending the story after it was published that was drafted by Willacy.

The trial continues.

“ABC’s editorial standards on accuracy, fair and honest dealings and the use of sources.”

That’s th first I knew the A.B.C. had any such standards.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
August 2, 2023 4:45 pm

Via Sky…
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/former-us-president-donald-trump-facing-four-charges-in-latest-indictment-over-involvement-in-capitol-riots/news-story/4d2d5ff9d6c4e8b12e78c6a90f8ebce9

The cutie-pie rent-an-expert Victoria Cooper at Sydney Uni’s United States Studies Centre was broadcasting some strong Olivia Wilde vibes and providing acceptable infotainment for the first 44 seconds of this interview. Then she described Trump’s 36 point lead as “alarming”.

Very much reminded of the old Johnny Rivers song.

Beware of pretty faces that you find.
A pretty face can hide an evil mind

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 2, 2023 4:46 pm

It’d be worth it to see a future Coalition government (because Labor/Greens never will) abolish the ABC …

Disdain for the ALPBC is bipartisan. Not that it makes any difference.

calli
calli
August 2, 2023 4:49 pm

“ABC’s editorial standards on accuracy, fair and honest dealings and the use of sources.”

That’s their LinkedIn profile.

What can they actually do?

cohenite
August 2, 2023 4:49 pm

Pogria
Aug 2, 2023 4:36 PM
https://www.9news.com.au/national/police-investigating-early-morning-attack-on-top-darwin-jockey-sonja-wiseman/83abc43b-ef49-400e-a1c2-b1f2637b71e9

Men of no description.

Poor girl.

Yep, the choice of no description is limited: darkies or trannies; I suppose they could have been black trannies.

In better news:

Independent senator Thorpe injured in car crash

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 2, 2023 4:49 pm

Sancho – Your precious bodily fluids are overflowing again. Maybe take an aspro?

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 2, 2023 4:51 pm

“It was my understanding, and I don’t know how Mr Russell seems to know that they operated in Helmand not until September, but it was my understanding they were there before that in August,” said Willacy.

There’s just a teeensy, weeensy, possibility that Russell knows the dates when they were operating in Helmand because he was one of the people doing the “operating”? Yet Willacy’s understanding seems to trump the “lived experience” of those there at the time?

calli
calli
August 2, 2023 4:53 pm

Chuckle. Saint Paul recommends a little wine for good health. Not too much, mind!

I’m getting over the prospect of being carved up with a nice G&T.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 2, 2023 4:56 pm

Trauma Teddies introduced to Victorian prisons to comfort ‘distressed and vulnerable’ inmates

Trauma Teddies have been introduced to Victorian jails
The toys are for ‘distressed and vulnerable’ inmates
They offer an ‘additional level of comfort to prisoners’

Don’t they have leg irons, fetters and the cat o nine tails in Victorian jails?

bons
bons
August 2, 2023 4:57 pm

Would it be too long bow to draw by suggesting that the ABC, being aware of the intentions of the Disrupt mob breached its public sector responsibility obligations by failing to warn authorities and the intended victims of the attack.

Nothing will happen, but the cumulative bow wave of anger against them has been added too. Their time will come.

Cassie of Sydney
August 2, 2023 4:59 pm

“but at the same time I expect to debate and defend any claims.”

Of course you do, Mr Azerbaijan expert.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 2, 2023 4:59 pm

Dover – You are funny. Defeat is victory! Hostomel was a catastrophe for the Russians especially their paras. As I put up earlier the Euroweenies are expecting to fund Ukraine killing Russkies for the next four years. I see nothing to suggest the Russians will be striding in a manly fashion side-by-side into Kiev anytime soon.

Which is the point: Russia is bleeding and only Russia can stop that bleeding. When you (Ukraine) are halfway down the throat of a crocodile you won’t ever stop trying to stab its eyes out with your knife until it releases you. Which tends not to go well for either the victim or the crocodile.

Tom
Tom
August 2, 2023 5:00 pm

The Guardian is helping its fellow activists play dumb over its stalking of a mining CEO’private resudence:

The West Australian said on its front page on Wednesday that the ABC was “under fire over links to [the] sickening attack”.

An ABC spokesperson defended the conduct of its reporter and crew.

They said that a Four Corners team had attended the protest to gather material for a potential report later this year. They had received a tip to go to an address “just prior” to the action occurring and had no knowledge of what was there, including that it was a person’s house.

“When they arrived the police were already in attendance, in numbers.

“The ABC team remained on public land observing what was happening and getting some vision, as journalists do. They at no time went on to private property or had any involvement in what was happening.

“The ABC team in no way colluded with the activists.”

Ordinary people — even some public servants, as the ACT juidiciary’s up-yours to the public has shown — are getting sick of the activists so I’d be surprised if there’s no leaking of mobile phone texts proving the ABC is colluding with Green activists.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 2, 2023 5:02 pm

From the event pogria mentions:

“They then smashed me in the face with a rock, broke my nose in three places, cut my lip and smashed my teeth. I tried to drive off the wrong way down the Highway, but a group of them blocked me.”

Blocked her? I’d have run them down and turned them into pink squish.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 2, 2023 5:03 pm

Of course you do, Mr Azerbaijan expert.

Cassie, if you put up an argument and also put up supporting citations or links I will discuss it with you. Since you never do that I see no reason to argue. “Yes dear”.

Cassie of Sydney
August 2, 2023 5:03 pm

“It is indeed.
“Take action” could take two paths:-
1. Criminal charges; or
2. Removal of his WWC accreditation pending further investigation.
I don’t know about Queensssland, but the threshold in other jurisdictions for a WWCC is not necessarily as high as criminal culpability.”

That’s exactly what I was thinking, so the question is…”why”. There’s a smell here.

Cassie of Sydney
August 2, 2023 5:06 pm

“Cassie, if you put up an argument and also put up supporting citations or links I will discuss it with you. Since you never do that I see no reason to argue. “Yes dear”.”

You failed that one big time. You’re not an expert on everything, despite what you might think. And you can’t and won’t admit when you get things wrong.

calli
calli
August 2, 2023 5:11 pm

I’m suspecting there’s a whole mound of “Duty of Care” manure that’s being sprayed with one of those ineffectual air fresheners. And it doesn’t involve the centres but a regulator.

Brislurker
Brislurker
August 2, 2023 5:18 pm

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/07/what_nasa_and_the_european_space_agency_are_admitting_but_the_media_are_failing_to_report_about_our_current_heat_wave.html
Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha’apai underwater volcano and its affects on climate have been ignored until just recently. Interesting reading with some good links.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 2, 2023 5:18 pm

I do love fireworks. Cassie may just about reach orbit via pure outrage and fury.
Not seeing any citations, reasoned arguments nor links though.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
August 2, 2023 5:23 pm

Sancho Panzer
Aug 2, 2023 1:44 PM
Completely out of left field question.
The dark web child abuse thing triggered something.
Who was the poster on Sinc Cat who had a son or grandson OD on drugs bought on the dark web, and she was campaigning for legislation change to capture those drug sales?
The name “Kae” pops into my head but I don’t think that is correct.

Whoever it was Mrs Stencho Panty hose,. who cares now. Unless you do.

Give these hysterical things a rest and STFU. Or tell the Authorities all you know. Which won’t be very much.

Cassie of Sydney
August 2, 2023 5:24 pm

“I do love fireworks. Cassie may just about reach orbit via pure outrage and fury.
Not seeing any citations, reasoned arguments nor links though.”

No, no fireworks. Despite thinking you’re an expert, you’re not.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 2, 2023 5:25 pm

Bruce of N

I didn’t want to get into this bunfight.

However, the numbers that you put up for Australian deaths in the First and Second World Wars don’t seem to add up. There are some 103,000 names on the Roll of Honour at the AWM. Take away around 560 for the Boer War, 340 for the Korean War and 500 for the Vietnam War, and then a lower total number for the post-Vietnam bunfights, that leaves around 101,000 for the two big ones. My memory is a bit over 60,000 for the First and around 39,000 for the Second, which is close to that total.

What have you missed?

Cassie of Sydney
August 2, 2023 5:26 pm

And I recall how our resident expert on everything once tried to insist that priest holes in recusant houses in Elizabethan and Stuart England, built to hide Catholic priests, were also used to hide Protestant clergy.

Yeah…nah….nah…nah.

calli
calli
August 2, 2023 5:29 pm

Thanks brislurker. It’s remarkable.

A volcanic burp in Iceland made the news, I saw it first hand. Something nothing.

This thing has been deliberately hidden at worst, ignored at best. Because it doesn’t fit the narrative.

I despise our media. And I despise “scientists” more.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 2, 2023 5:29 pm

Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha’apai underwater volcano and its affects on climate have been ignored until just recently.

I’ve mentioned it a few times. The stratospheric water vapour over the Antarctic particularly looks to be why Antarctic sea ice is lower than usual: high cloud tends to raise minimum temperatures, but in absence of solar irradiation the offsetting cooling by reflection of the Sun’s rays doesn’t happen. It’s winter in Antarctica, so no sunlight to reflect.

The effect of Pinatubo persisted for several years, so it appears likely the same will occur with this one. The difference is that Pinatubo was a SO2 rich eruption, but this a water vapour rich one. They seem to have opposite effects, although the duration is likely to be similar. We haven’t had a big wet eruption like this since Krakatoa 150 years ago. (The 1888 Royal Society report on that was very interesting and readable.)

WUWT has a topical article on this, for anyone interested:

What NASA and the European Space Agency are admitting but the media are failing to report about our current heat wave (31 Jul)

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
August 2, 2023 5:33 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Aug 2, 2023 4:59 PM

Bruce of N. The UKR is farked and it is only a matter of time before the US/NATO wakes up. If they ever will.

JMH
JMH
August 2, 2023 5:33 pm

Don’t forget the subterranean volcanic burps off the Antarctic west coast.

calli
calli
August 2, 2023 5:34 pm

I love volcanoes!

Let’s throw some “environmentalists” in to appease Gaia!

It’s our only hope.

JC
JC
August 2, 2023 5:34 pm

Whoever it was Mrs Stencho Panty hose,. who cares now. Unless you do.

Give these hysterical things a rest and STFU. Or tell the Authorities all you know. Which won’t be very much.

Look at Wodney Wodney providing unneeded instructions and guidance. At times, he describes himself as the victim of such heinous, heinous assaults.

He’s at his best when he posts quotes from a convicted fraud who stole millions of dollars from investment clients and now, since he’s out of prison, claims he’s had sentient AI since 1985.

I’m amazed his parole officer hasn’t stepped in to “help”.

areff
areff
August 2, 2023 5:36 pm

““How dare you attack wind turbines!”

Wondering how long it will be before someone takes that literally and brings down a few down.

Just paid my cheaper-with-renewables electricity bill: $1191.23 for one human and a cat

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 2, 2023 5:36 pm

That’s the first I knew the A.B.C. had any such standards.

If they exist they’ve never adhered to them.

Another payout looming with costs funded by the long suffering taxpayer.

Every court case lost by their ABC with the payout and costs should be deducted from their budget allocation.

If you can’t report truth, in the constant reach for a Walkley and slavering admiration of colleagues, cop the consequences you excuses for journalists protected by an insipid Board and the staff collective.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 2, 2023 5:36 pm

Teh Grauniad and the ALPBC are the Tweedle Dee andTweedle Dum of the Australian media blob.

Cassie of Sydney
August 2, 2023 5:37 pm

“I love volcanoes!”

I love volcanoes too

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 2, 2023 5:37 pm

Boambee John – Please see this link. Open the PDF for the data.

Volume VII – The Final Campaigns (1st edition, 1963) Appendix 7 – Some Statistics

It’s the official Australian WW2 history.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 2, 2023 5:40 pm

And the alleged journalists involved should be personably responsible for their costs.

JC
JC
August 2, 2023 5:41 pm

Lomborg reckons this has actually been a low point for forest fires around the world.

Lowest it’s been since the turn of the century according to sat information.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 2, 2023 5:41 pm

Just paid my cheaper-with-renewables electricity bill: $1191.23 for one human and a cat

Can the cat use the thermostat?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 2, 2023 5:42 pm

Bruce of N. The UKR is farked and it is only a matter of time before the US/NATO wakes up.

Yes they are. And were, day one. The only thing not yet known is whether Russia is farked too. It’s looking increasingly likely.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
August 2, 2023 5:43 pm

Tonto turns up to rub oil on El Sancho, well on his wounds. (box ticked)

cohenite
August 2, 2023 5:45 pm

Just paid my cheaper-with-renewables electricity bill: $1191.23 for one human and a cat

Faaaaark! I have a wife, cats, pool, multiple fridges, a beach house and various free-loaders. I’ll be living under a bridge when the next bill hits since my solar panels are not working.

calli
calli
August 2, 2023 5:45 pm

Thanks Dover. The site will be two years and one day old by then.

So I’ll post my carefully selected birthday greeting now, just in case.

You, of course, are the one on the unicycle holding us all up.

I am the thin one, natch. 😀

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 2, 2023 5:46 pm

BB
There’s an open meeting at the St.Arnaud town hall at 7pm this Friday.
Speaker, Robert Parker – Nuclear for Climate.
Not transmission lines but may be of interest.

JC
JC
August 2, 2023 5:50 pm

More on the global boiling.
I’ve been looking for it, but can’t find it on his twitter page, but Lomborg reckons the ebbs and flows of antarctic ice hasn’t changed in 40 years.

Gerbil warming hysteria needs to be treated as a serious mental illness , related to anxiety. I keep repeating this and will continue to do so, it’s a very serious problem for people and very difficult to deal with, because there are so many folks with this problem they are impacting on the lives and livelihoods of others.

Bill P
Bill P
August 2, 2023 5:51 pm

That nasty AI porn movie stuff mentioned by JC above is disconcerting but thank goodness there are still quality fillums available. My local theatre has an Andre Rieu movie screening in late August. Must book some tickets before it’s sold out.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 2, 2023 5:56 pm

Despite thinking you’re an expert, you’re not.

Yes dear.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 2, 2023 5:58 pm

Bruce of N

I am familiar with those numbers. My question relates to the Roll of Honour, which is also Official Australian Military history, and post-dates the OHs for both World Wars. All those names have been checked and cross-checked, and cast in bronze. Where does the difference arise?

JC
JC
August 2, 2023 5:58 pm

Oh looks it’s security.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Aug 2, 2023 5:43 PM

Tonto turns up to rub oil on El Sancho, well on his wounds. (box ticked)

Says the most famous Tonto in ozblogs. He was pulling this trick as far back a Lavatory Pronto.

I’ll happily remind you when you next pull the rabbit out of the Cattleman’s hat, in the next few hours.

John H.
John H.
August 2, 2023 5:59 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Aug 2, 2023 5:42 PM
Bruce of N. The UKR is farked and it is only a matter of time before the US/NATO wakes up.

Yes they are. And were, day one. The only thing not yet known is whether Russia is farked too. It’s looking increasingly likely.

What has been revealed is the parlous state of the Russian military and their capacity for overstating military prowess. Where are all those Armata tanks? Why haven’t the s400s and R 37s taken out the Ukrainian air force? Why is the SU57, claimed to be a stealth fighter, still very much confined in interdiction? Why is Russia so desperate for weapons that it agreed to sell its best fighter, the SU35, to secure future Iranian drone deliveries?

What is Russia’s final goal? I’m not even sure Putin knows that. Obviously Ukraine is not going to surrender, or least won’t do so until Kiev falls. You’re right Bruce, no-one is going to win this.

Chris
Chris
August 2, 2023 5:59 pm

My local theatre has an Andre Rieu movie screening in late August. Must book some tickets before it’s sold out.

Very droll.

calli
calli
August 2, 2023 5:59 pm

My local theatre has an Andre Rieu movie screening in late August. Must book some tickets before it’s sold out.

Careful. Them’s fighting words. 😀

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 2, 2023 5:59 pm

Ahh, I see now why that 727K figure is not the one to be using; 396K would be the better number.

Dover – So you will now give us a comparison of German vs Soviet casualties in WW2. Like I asked, since you obviously had the latter easily to hand.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
August 2, 2023 6:00 pm

Says the most famous Tonto in ozblogs. He was pulling this trick as far back a Lavatory Pronto.

Citation required.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 6:01 pm

Then she described Trump’s 36 point lead as “alarming”.

The mask slips more frequently these days.
I heard a report on 3AW a couple of weeks ago on polling for da Voice.

“It is most concerning that support for the Yes case has dropped below 50%”

Err, concerning for who exactly?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 2, 2023 6:02 pm

Where does the difference arise?

BJ – That is a question for the Australian War Memorial since the numbers on both the Roll of Honour and from the official history are theirs.

JC
JC
August 2, 2023 6:04 pm

Bill P
Aug 2, 2023 5:51 PM
My local theatre has an Andre Rieu movie screening in late August. Must book some tickets before it’s sold out.

Bill, please, I beg you , please don’t go see the hair monster. 🙂

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 2, 2023 6:05 pm

Sancho, I don’t think Kae ever mentioned anything to do with drugs, but Aliice had a son who died of an overdose on their marital bed at home while they were absent on holidays. They walked in from holidays and found him lying there, dead. A terrible tragedy. She was understandably very anti using bitcoin to purchase drugs from the dark web, argued with Sinc over bitcoin and finally it was all too much for her and she departed never to return. I sometimes still miss her, she was a solid commenter here, a university tutor in economics who fought constantly with Dot, kept him amused for hour after endless hour. Shame for her life to take such a turn, and she was saddened to total distraction on the effect of the loss of their son on her husband.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 2, 2023 6:06 pm

Aliice always with a double ‘i’. She insisted on it.

JC
JC
August 2, 2023 6:06 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Aug 2, 2023 6:00 PM

Says the most famous Tonto in ozblogs. He was pulling this trick as far back a Lavatory Pronto.

Citation required.

LOL.

The saddest mini-me Tonto to the extinguished navel officer. Serious knee padding. It was the uniform.

Dot
Dot
August 2, 2023 6:07 pm

Jaysus Cristo the Channel Nein pollieluppet repordas are mainlining the Trump joke indictment like it is freebase crack cocaine.

These people are nuts, utterly incredible they were ever considered a bastion of conservatism.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 6:07 pm

You failed that one big time. You’re not an expert on everything, despite what you might think. 

Not even in his chosen field of metallurgy it would seem.
Sad.

Dot
Dot
August 2, 2023 6:08 pm

Pollie Muppet

Damn you, Auto Correct!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 6:09 pm

Would you dare say that to his face?!?
He has gold braid on his sleeve you know!

What was his name again?
(The accidental plagiariser).
Mark50?
Mk50?

areff
areff
August 2, 2023 6:10 pm

Can the cat use the thermostat?

No, but she’s very good at using me as a heat pump. Have to close bedroom door because I’ll will wake up to the close-range spectacle of her bum on the adjoining pillow

Salvatore, Iron Publican
August 2, 2023 6:11 pm

JC Aug 2, 2023 6:06 PM

No citation provided. (box ticked)

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 6:11 pm

And I recall how our resident expert on everything once tried to insist that priest holes in recusant houses in Elizabethan and Stuart England, built to hide Catholic priests, were also used to hide Protestant clergy

Were the Protestant priests blak?

calli
calli
August 2, 2023 6:12 pm

You know better than me Lizzie. You have been a Cat commenter much longer. I only started in early 2012.

I forgot Dot and his part in the arguments. I don’t remember the nitty gritty details of the death, only her distress and my sorrow for her, poor lady.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 2, 2023 6:13 pm

Bruce of N

Bean, Volume VI, page 1099, gives 2862 officers and 56,468 other ranks (Total: 59,330) as Australian “Soldiers who lost their lives in, and through, the Great War”. Naval totals need to be added to that figure.

Not quite the number I recall for the Roll of Honour, but not far off.

shatterzzz
August 2, 2023 6:13 pm

Just paid my cheaper-with-renewables electricity bill: $1191.23 for one human and a cat

Bloody hell! .. just paid mine for self and 2 cats $136.68 (3 months) .. tho I do have gas water/cooking/heater .. last gas bill $145.45 (3 months) … & various rebates for OAP ..
what on earth do you do to use that much on?………

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 2, 2023 6:14 pm

“I love volcanoes!”

I love volcanoes too

I don’t. I’ve stood on the rim of at least three active ones, one firing out chunks of red hot stuff (Yassur on Tanna) but I’ve gone off them since that one in New Zealand scalded a group of tourists to death with a bath of hot steam. I’m keeping out of their way now.

JC
JC
August 2, 2023 6:14 pm

LOL, yea MK50. Drills loves him like it was his first teenage love. Like, Drills he kept changing his name, but I renamed him Marcus Adonis after he reckoned he became a gym junkie and young girls would glory over his muscular physique. Jupes laughed him of the old site.

Drills reckoned it wasn’t plagiarism, but just a huge co-incidence that two articles were virtually the same on preceding days.

It was the uniform thing.

JC
JC
August 2, 2023 6:15 pm

off

Dot
Dot
August 2, 2023 6:15 pm

Where are all those Armata tanks?

Tank cities! Sealed indictments! Patriots! Bio labs! Nuland!

The US alt right want the senile old turd to lose so badly they’re very easy to hype up and wag their tails.

It is a war over rubble now and the war aims are stupid now (aren’t all the Azic regiment dead anyway?). Truce. Treaty. Neutral peacekeepers, plebiscites agreed to for all time.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 2, 2023 6:15 pm

Err, concerning for who exactly?

For shame, don’t you know Aboriginal souls will be crushed if the “Voice” is defeated?

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 2, 2023 6:16 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Aug 2, 2023 6:02 PM
Where does the difference arise?

BJ – That is a question for the Australian War Memorial since the numbers on both the Roll of Honour and from the official history are theirs.

In such cases, it seems wise to accept the later number, since there has been more time to collate the data. The R of H also lists individual names, which can presumably be linked to personal files.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
August 2, 2023 6:16 pm

Ken & Barbie seem quite excitable this afternoon.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 6:17 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

Aug 2, 2023 6:05 PM

Sancho, I don’t think Kae ever mentioned anything to do with drugs, but Aliice had a son who died of an overdose …

Sigh.
Yes, Lizzie.
I explicitly said that I was sure it wasn’t Kae, but that was just the name which kept popping into my head as I was doing a mental roll-call of Cats past, present and emerging.
Sort of like a mental ear-worm I couldn’t get rid off.
Thanks to calli, we have now established the name I was looking for was Aliice.

JC
JC
August 2, 2023 6:17 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Aug 2, 2023 6:11 PM

JC Aug 2, 2023 6:06 PM

No citation provided. (box ticked)

Oh citation that you’re a tonto?

Today’s is fine, right? See here.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Aug 2, 2023 5:43 PM

Lee
Lee
August 2, 2023 6:18 pm

Just paid my cheaper-with-renewables electricity bill: $1191.23 for one human and a cat

That’s terrible, areff.
How long a period is that for?
My electricity bill for several years now has varied between about $32-39 a month, and rarely even reaches $40 (I live alone too, BTW.)
Although I have been told by my supplier that based on my past usage it will be going up by roughly $191 a year soon.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
August 2, 2023 6:19 pm

JC Aug 2, 2023 6:17 PM

Childish comments used instead of citation (boxed ticked) [that’s the third box in a few minutes – consistency achieved]

calli
calli
August 2, 2023 6:20 pm

Were the Protestant priests blak?

Wycliffe wasn’t black. Not until his bones were dug up and burned.

By then he was beyond all earthly cares.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 2, 2023 6:21 pm

I think I’ve found a picture of Marcus Adonis in uniform.
Is that Sal on the left?
And I think it is Prince Andrew on the right in masquerade.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 2, 2023 6:22 pm

Former judge Walter Sofronoff KC finds police were right to charge Bruce Lehrmann but lashed DPP’s conduct

A landmark inquiry into the trial of Bruce Lehrmann has found the prosecution was properly brought but made damning findings.

From the Hun.

  1. Here is a clue for you bro. Ukraine is the Swamp backed puppet regime. Now reconsider your Trump/Putin discourse.

  2. Damn sheep launched herself at my back on Monday- no pain but my shoulder is skew-whiff. Went to a physio…

  3. Sancho Panzer November 29, 2024 12:04 amJC November 28, 2024 9:06 pmRussia’s Central Bank Suspends Currency Purchases.Don’t know it this is true,…

  4. JC November 28, 2024 9:06 pm Russia’s Central Bank Suspends Currency Purchases.Don’t know it this is true, but if it is,…

1.2K
0
Oh, you think that, do you? Care to put it on record?x
()
x