Open Thread – Fri 4 Aug 2023


The Royal Castle in Warsaw. View of Cracow Suburb leading to the Castle Square, Bernardo Bellotto, 1774

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Crossie
Crossie
August 4, 2023 4:50 pm

“Makarrata literally means a spear penetrating, usually the thigh, of a person that has done wrong… so that they cannot hunt anymore, that they cannot walk properly, that they cannot run properly; to maim them, to settle them down, to calm them — that’s Makarrata.”

Its perfect.
It means peace, by crippling the country.

I’m glad that has been made public so that we can nominate whom we would like to be ritually speared on our behalf. Since he has worked so hard to get the voice voted in I think it should be Albo.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
August 4, 2023 4:52 pm

Seriously, anyone who has long lineage back to say the convict days should refer to themselves as aboriginal in some way and get in on the act. Sometimes, to completely break up some leftwing crap, you have to join it.

I’m plotting. Got back to 1832 (free settler) in one case, and last week found convicts, but not till the 1840’s. The possible unknown Irish teenage wives were more than likely lubra’s eh?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 4, 2023 4:53 pm

Fair Shake

Aug 4, 2023 4:03 PM

The full forward lined up 25 metres out and properly drumgolded it out of bounds for no score.

Bwah ha ha ha.
I think the footy equivalent is getting the free kick in the goalsquare with 20 seconds left to win the game. You then whack your opponent in the nuts and get the free kick reversed. After that, you incur four 50 metre penalties in a row for abusing the ump, taking your opponent to the goal line at the other end.
“Doing a Drumgold” is a once-in-a-century fck up.

JC
JC
August 4, 2023 4:53 pm

My folks sent out their manservant on the 1st fleet to survey and pick some suitable locations.
Would he count?

Absolutely.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 4, 2023 4:53 pm

the voice, treaty and truth.

Howsabout we have the truth first. Like the first nations weren’t first and weren’t nations. Like cannibalism, like beating women over the head, like child abuse. Like inter-clan fighting.

Like the squalor in the camps is a product of the current culture, made worse by patronising lefties.

I’d prefer to start with the truth rather than finish with something that claims to be the truth and is a constellation of feelgood fictions.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 4:55 pm

It’s all getting very cloying here, in the Wild West. The Noongar people lived, in family groups, in clusters of huts along the river, completely in harmony with nature. They respected their elders, and passed on their legends and songlines to the young.

All this was smashed when the colonialists arrived…

JC
JC
August 4, 2023 4:55 pm

hzhousewife, use the Elizabeth Warren argument. She had American Indian blog because of her high cheek bones.

Remember that? Trump began calling her Pocahontas Warren.

Roger
Roger
August 4, 2023 4:55 pm

Re support for a treaty being bi-partisan in QLD, I don’t remember either party discussing it in the 2020 campaign. This may account for some of the cynicism re the Voice here. In which case, it’s political karma!

Further, it strikes me that if the referendum fails it will be Australia’s Trump/Brexit moment, in which voters send a very unambiguous message to the elites who take them for granted.

Just as with the Eureka Stocade in 1854, which can be viewed as our 1848 moment, it will come several years after the northern hemisphere eruptions of popular sentiment, and will not be freighted with as much historical gravity, but it will change things here nonetheless.

JC
JC
August 4, 2023 4:56 pm

blood, not blog..

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 4:56 pm

I’m glad that has been made public so that we can nominate whom we would like to be ritually speared on our behalf. Since he has worked so hard to get the voice voted in I think it should be Albo.

I nominate Thomas Mayo.

Speedbox
August 4, 2023 4:59 pm

thefrollickingmole
Aug 4, 2023 4:29 PM
Uluru Dialogue co-chair Pat Anderson admitted on ABC’s Afternoon Briefing that the entrance of treaty in the voice referendum debate had made it confusing for Australians, but said it was part of the discussion.

“made it confusing for Australians….” I hate that. The condescension that most/many Australians are easily confused. Our politicians do it as well saying that the arguments “are complex”. No, they’re not. This stuff is easy for a normal functioning adult.

Splitting the atom or re-inventing the wheel is complex. Understanding the Voice proposal and the prior (and underlying) Statement from the Heart is easy for anybody who can read and has a modicum of ability to analyze and interpret information.

JC
JC
August 4, 2023 5:00 pm
Johnny Rotten
August 4, 2023 5:01 pm

Welcome to the Country

The revised Australian Welcome –

I would like to pay my respects to elders past and present.

To the Italian elders that built our roads, railways and telecommunications infrastructure.

To the Greek and Turkish elders for giving us the tasty kebab shops.

To the Jewish elders that gave us all the Westfield shopping centres and Meriton apartments.

To the Chinese elders that gave us all the $2 shops.

To the Irish elders that gave us all the great Irish pubs …

To the Indian elders who gave us great Curries.

To the English elders who gave us Cricket.

To the Japanese elders who gave great Cars.

To the Elders from all over the World who have given so much to Australia .

Finally to the Indigenous elders who have given us ????????????????????? Oh yes, the Smoking ceremony, which we don’t really need.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 5:05 pm

Finally to the Indigenous elders who have given us ????????????????????? Oh yes, the Smoking ceremony, which we don’t really need.

The Smoking ceremony, copied from Catholic missionaries, waving an incense brazier?
Welcome to Country, made up by Ernie Dingo, in the mid 1970’s?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 5:12 pm

I would like to pay my respects to elders past and present.

To the Scots Elders, along the Riverina in the 1850’s who introduced Scotch whisky into Australia – it’s long been my contention that they never achieved the recognition they deserved.

Roger
Roger
August 4, 2023 5:12 pm

To the German elders who gave us the Barossa Valley.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
August 4, 2023 5:13 pm

thefrollickingmole
Aug 4, 2023 4:06 PM

Langton doing a 1st class impression of a mad bag lady shouting at pigeons near the bu stop,

I can only hope shes as miserable as she looks and sounds.

She strikes me as a toddler that has never been told NO, and is preparing for the tantrum.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 4, 2023 5:14 pm

The Noongar people lived, in family groups, in clusters of huts along the river, completely in harmony with nature.

I do much the same. I’m not along the river, but it’s not far away. And my pad is a lot nicer than a hut, having tiles on the roof and a loo and a bath and shower, with running hot and cold water. And I have passed on the Western intellectual tradition, which is much better than songlines because it’s responsible for flush lavatories and running water and electricity.
And I sit outside and smoke cigars (which are vegan as anything) and look at the flowers and trees. All entirely in harmony with nature.

It’s only by knowing more about nature and living in harmony with it that you get electricity, running water, flush toilets and Havana cigars.

You prefer huts, crapping in the river and songlines?

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
August 4, 2023 5:15 pm

To the Japanese elders who gave great Cars

And the pearling Industry. 🙂

Johnny Rotten
August 4, 2023 5:16 pm

United States Debt Downgraded to AA+

“Inflation was transitory. Now, the credit rating of the United States plummeting from AAA to AA+ by Fitch is “arbitrary,” according to Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen. “In Fitch’s view, there has been a steady deterioration in standards of governance over the last 20 years, including on fiscal and debt matters, notwithstanding the June bipartisan agreement to suspend the debt limit until January 2025,” the rating agency said in a statement. The last time an AA+ rating was issued was August 5, 2011, and the market took a hit.

In 2011, Standard & Poor cut its rating also after a debt ceiling crisis caused by politicians. The global markets felt the impact of that news. Fitch has been warning of a possible downgrade since May 2023, due to the massive debt burden and political mismanagement. The White House continued its spending spree and our politicians could not agree on a limit for the debt ceiling. The warnings were there.

It is concerning that Yellen is trying to stifle this news. “I strongly disagree with Fitch’s decision. The change announced today is arbitrary and based on outdated data,” Yellen insisted. Again, this is the same woman who insisted, along with Powell, that inflation was transitory and nothing to be concerned about. Yellen believes some of Fitch’s models do not accurately indicate the state of the US. Yell said “governance,” under Joe Biden, has improved due to mass infrastructure packages and investments in America that will make the country more competitive.

Yellen and others refuse to admit that the United States has deteriorated under the Biden Administration. “Governance” is one of the nation’s weakest points right now, but that would put blame on the current administration. The right and left are more polarized than ever and cannot agree on anything. The US government is heavily investing in one foreign government to fuel the proxy war while lining the pockets of “the big guy.” This administration has ruined America and there is no sugar coating what’s to come.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/economics/united-states-debt-downgraded-to-aa/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 4, 2023 5:18 pm

Stephen Mayne gets another gong in this week’s Media Watchdog. Which means
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EPzpxRtFY3Y

areff
areff
August 4, 2023 5:22 pm

Let us ponder which of these clans will get to place their family member on the Voice (AAP), where they can undo all the harm white Australia has inflicted on proud traditions (like, in this instance, stopping one of them):

Three men have been hospitalised after feuding families clashed on a remote Northern Territory island using spears, machetes and crossbows.

Up to 150 people were involved in the violent outbreak which began on Monday and spanned several days on Groote Eylandt in the Gulf of Carpentaria.

More than 60 per cent of the island’s residents are Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander and NT police say they are talking to local leaders to address the situation.

“We’re working very closely with the senior elders of the community to make sure that we can restore calm,” NT Police Acting Commissioner Michael White said.

Extra police have been sent to the island.

Investigations are ongoing into how the fighting began, though police believe it could be a result of family disagreements.

“Like other communities, sometimes things occur between family groups,” Mr White said.

Fighting has not resumed and the injured men are in a stable condition at Royal Darwin Hospital.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 4, 2023 5:23 pm

As i just replied to a mate.

The in-voice.
The spinning incinerator of constitutional amendments.

Chris
Chris
August 4, 2023 5:23 pm

To elder Captain James Stirling, who pacified a gang of murderers at Pinjarra.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 4, 2023 5:26 pm

Feuding in Emergency saves on taxi fares.

JMH
JMH
August 4, 2023 5:26 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Aug 4, 2023 3:40 PM
From the frollickingmoles link. Fat lot of good a voice will do, won’t it?

NT police said since July 31, officers had responded to “a series of large disturbances” involving up to 150 people from feuding family groups, some of whom were allegedly using spears, crossbows and machetes

Let that Treaty roar. Pull everything. Cops, medical, housing, education, sit down money. Most importantly, white man’s liquor outlets. The lot. Let them go back to the way they wish to live because I have had a frigging gutful. Vote No to the voice b/shit but it will not influence this Treaty crap. That’s done and dusted because State Governments are too stupid to survive.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 5:29 pm

Daily Mail.

Queensland childcare worker accused of abusing 91 girls is moved to a secure cell after prisoners find out who he is – raising the prospect of a ‘revenge attack’

Razey
Razey
August 4, 2023 5:36 pm

AU’s is circling the drain.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 5:39 pm

Gina Rinehart’s son John Hancock emails released by WA Supreme Court

By The Australian
1:44PM August 4, 2023

Gina Rinehart’s son accused his mother of stealing billions from her children to enrich herself by allegedly removing the Hope Down tenements from their family trust about a decade ago, ­according to reports.

Emails released in a separate royalties matter before the West Australian Supreme Court on Thursday reveal Mrs Rinehart’s son, John Hancock, had been preparing a legal challenge against his billionaire mother in 2004 and 2005.

In email correspondence with his sisters Ginia, Hope and Bianca Rinehart, Mr Hancock accused his mother of removing the Hope Down tenements in the Pilbara region which are estimated to be worth billions.
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“She has stolen 33 per cent of the family company from us children,” Mr Hancock wrote, ­according to The Australian Financial Review.

“She has breached her fiduciary duties … and enriched ­herself.”

Wright Prospecting is suing Mrs Rinehart’s Hancock Prospecting, seeking hundreds of millions of outstanding royalties and a return of its share in East Angelas. That share is estimated to be worth well over $1bn.

In other correspondence released by the court, Mr Hancock wrote to his sister Bianca Rinehart in May 2004 and attacked her for not engaging in the legal challenge he was mounting to remove their mother as head of the family trust.

“I’m disappointed, Bianca, about your attitude towards … the trust,” he said.

“You know it’s wrong. I wonder what your attitude would be if you had not brokered your $18,000 from New Idea.

“I know that you know that you will share in the benefits of my actions … If it fails, I will face the consequences and I know you will be as weak as ever and sidle up to (Gina Rinehart) and say you were never part of it.”

Ms Rinehart replied her conscience would never allow her to go to court against their mother.

In a 2003 email, sent when Mrs Rinehart was battling her ­father John Hancock’s widow, Rose Porteous, Mr Hancock boasted of turning the media against the Porteous camp.

“I hope that you will remember the effort I put in, especially in turning the tide in the media against the Porteous camp,” he wrote.

At the centre of the case is a 1987 agreement between Wright and Hancock in which Wright says it extinguished its interest in Hope Downs in exchange for a royalty. No royalty has ever been paid to Wright, despite the deposits having been mined by Rio Tinto since 2007.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 4, 2023 5:40 pm

No Bruce. It was direct hit. You put up shit, it gets shot down.

Makka – I put it up to illustrate that others like you keep putting up the same level of rubbish with complete wide eyed ignorance. I see dozens of these stupid stories every day but I do not bore Cats with them. Until someone tries to shove their own stupid propaganda garbage down my throat. Great swathes of it too, as if that were more convincing.

The only difference is the stuff you put up is Russian crud. It irritates me because it is the same level of complete swill as the Ukie rubbish I used as my illustration. And that was what I was trying to make clear to you and Dover and Old Ozzie. Which went over your head like a flying seagull with a chip. The Russian propaganda is even more laughable than the Ukie propaganda and for some reason unknown to me you guys swallow it whole. I find it amazing.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 4, 2023 5:44 pm

Jim Chalmers admits government needs to do ‘more’ to convince voters to support the Voice to Parliament

‘Look, I’m confident that we can get there but it won’t be easy. You know, we’ve always anticipated that we will have to convince people that this is a pretty simple proposition,’ he said.

‘At the end of the day, it’s about listening to people so we can get better outcomes and it’s about constitutional recognition.’

He said it would give Indigenous communities direct input on where to use funding allocated to them and is simply ‘good economic policy’.

Jimbo; having government ‘listen’ and then do things is not what it’s about from an Aboriginal perspective. Quite the contrary, it’s expressly about self-determination and self-government.

These people either don’t know what the Uluru Statements are about or are dissembling liars – lying either to the voteherd, or the Indigenous.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 4, 2023 5:51 pm

Fair Shake earlier.

2. It was Drumgold’s complaint and request for an inquiry into the AFP which has led to his own skewering. He must really be as dumb as the proverbial dog-shyte.

However I still want to know the why? Why did Drumgold put his position at such risk to go after Lehrman in such a way? Was he really that incompetent… or… was there a higher position on offer in the left wing halls of power?

I had been thinking about that too.
A couple of thoughts:-
1. As far as the trial went, he thought it would be a slam dunk, with all the media pressure. From within the bubble he couldn’t imagine this would be anything other than a lynching party.
2. As far as the aftermath, he either thought that he could just do a bit of blow-harding and there would be no enquiry or he had an unshakeable confidence that the enquiry would be a fix. I think the latter because I have no doubt he could have asked the ACT Shire Council to drop the idea of an enquiry.
3. So what happened to the “fix”? They were either so sure that the Libs were up to something dastardly, or that Sofronoff was on board. Epic misjudgments on both counts. Sir Humphrey would be appalled. The golden rule of enquiries has been broken.
4. Sofronoff accused him of wilful disregard for the law, but I think that is perhaps not correct. I think this bloke has been running on “fake it until you make it”, but never quite made it. In other words … dumb as.

Roger
Roger
August 4, 2023 5:55 pm

These people either don’t know what the Uluru Statements are about or are dissembling liars…

I’m afraid I’m not inclined to be charitable, given their performance thus far.

The latest appeal to the need to “close the gap” is particularly cynical.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 6:00 pm

ABC editor denies claim journalist ‘failed’ to corroborate war crime allegation against former soldier, court told
Lauren FerriNCA NewsWire
Fri, 4 August 2023 3:38PM

The editor of ABC Investigations has refuted claims a reporter “did not want to find the truth”, got away with a “terrible failing” and engaged in a “shocking breach” of ethics when he reported on allegations of war crimes he “failed to corroborate”, a court has been told.

Heston Russell is suing the ABC and two investigative journalists for defamation over stories published in 2020 and 2021 he claims made it look like he was being investigated for shooting an unarmed prisoner.

The stories Mr Russell claims defamed him, written and produced by journalists Mark Willacy and Josh Robertson, aired on television, radio and online in October 2020 and more than a year later on November 19, 2021.

The court was told the allegations arose from a US Marine named “Josh”, who contacted Mr Willacy about his time in Afghanistan working with Australian soldiers and said he was not a witness but heard a “pop” on the radio he believed was a gunshot.

The ABC is seeking to rely on a new public interest defence that was introduced in July 2021 in NSW and is being tested for the first time in this case.

The editor of ABC Investigations, Jo Puccini, took to the witness stand for the final day of evidence in the former soldier’s defamation trial where she repeatedly denied claims the journalists should have done more to confirm the allegation.

Under cross-examination by Mr Russell’s barrister Sue Chrysanthou SC, she told the court she trusted Mr Willacy’s journalism as he has “30 years experience” and is “meticulous”.

Ms Chrysanthou accused Ms Puccini and the Investigations team of failing to corroborate Josh’s claims by attempting to speak to other people.

“I want to suggest to you Ms Puccini that it was a terrible failing on the part of ABC Investigations to not speak or attempt to speak to these two people before this article was published,” she said.

Ms Puccini did not agree.

The barrister continued to press: “Right, so are you saying it was sufficient to just ask Josh as opposed to finding out how many people were in the unit, who was in the unit and where they might be … Mr Willacy made none of those inquiries.”

“Are you saying, as you sit here, that you are satisfied with the fact that he just asked Josh, and Josh basically said thanks but no thanks,” Ms Chrysanthou said.

Ms Puccini said she was satisfied.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 4, 2023 6:02 pm

You can’t say that Marcia Langton hasn’t adopted European ideas. She’s learnt grifting from the communist experts.

cohenite
August 4, 2023 6:05 pm

Ms Puccini said she was satisfied.

No doubt the bitch was satisfied with a zucchini stuck up her twat and another between her ears.

Cassie of Sydney
August 4, 2023 6:05 pm

“As far as the aftermath, he either thought that he could just do a bit of blow-harding and there would be no enquiry or he had an unshakeable confidence that the enquiry would be a fix. I think the latter because I have no doubt he could have asked the ACT Shire Council to drop the idea of an enquiry.”

I also think the latter. It’s funny, I’ve been thinking about that old adage, “digging your own grave”. It applies so perfectly to Dumgold, he’s dug his grave, so beautifully, and now he needs to lie down in it. I could almost pity him, but you see I can’t, because he represents everything wrong with Australia and the West in 2023, and that is far-left progressivism, he was willing to throw a young man to the wolves all because of politics. Men and women like Dumgold really truly think that rules don’t apply to them, they think the law doesn’t apply to them, they think they above all of that. Last week it was the uber woke female boss of the UK’s NatWest, forced to resign because she broke the cardinal rule of banking when she purposely told a BBC journalist that Farage’s bank account had fallen below a so called threshold demanded at Coutts, despite the fact that there are many other Coutts customers who have lower bank balances than Farage, this week it’s been Dumgold.

I like collecting far-left scalps, I’m hungry for more.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 4, 2023 6:06 pm

https://newcatallaxy.blog/2023/08/04/open-thread-fri-4-aug-2023/comment-page-4/#comment-573100

JC’s post on the previous page.
Very astute.
Just like the allegations of US defence funding going offshore before bringing a cut home to friendly pockets, why wouldn’t Dan be doing the same.

Frank
Frank
August 4, 2023 6:07 pm

I think this bloke has been running on “fake it until you make it”, but never quite made it.

What does that mean for the legal profession if he could rise to that rank and stay there for so long. Like those doctors that practice for years with bogus qualifications before they get rumbled.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 4, 2023 6:08 pm

Greta fans. There is absolutely f*ck all for you on the show.

The Alaskan 4th of July CAR LAUNCH – 300ft Extreme Jumps!

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 4, 2023 6:10 pm

The latest IPA broadcast has a video of an interview with an aboriginal lad who is reading Law at UNSW. One of the eighty percent. An intelligent and articulate young man who can see clearly the deeper problems with the Voice and rejects the implied contempt for aboriginal people. Good on him.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 6:11 pm

Colour me suspicious, but why do I think Hell will freeze over, before any unit of the A.D.F. will give any A.B.C. “journalist” the time of day?

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 4, 2023 6:13 pm

The editor of ABC Investigations has refuted claims a reporter “did not want to find the truth”, got away with a “terrible failing” and engaged in a “shocking breach” of ethics when he reported on allegations of war crimes he “failed to corroborate”, a court has been told.

Point of pedantry. Their ABC’s editor did not refute the claims (provide evidence to prove that the claims were wrong), but rejected them out of hand, offering no evidence at all.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 4, 2023 6:20 pm

Point of pedantry.

That’s not pedantry. Failing to distinguish between a refutation and a simple rejection is sloppy usage and results in sloppy thinking. Of which there is far too much in contemporary journalism.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 4, 2023 6:20 pm

Under cross-examination by Mr Russell’s barrister Sue Chrysanthou SC, she told the court she trusted Mr Willacy’s journalism as he has “30 years experience” and is “meticulous”.

So that proves it was a malicious lie rather than an honest mistake?
/ whos side are you on…

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 6:22 pm

Daily Mail.

Bruce Lehrmann inquiry: Walter Sofronoff KC admits leaking report into the trial to the media

Chair of inquiry into Bruce Lehrmann case leaked report
He admitted to handing a copy to journalists

calli
calli
August 4, 2023 6:23 pm

Interesting choice of words on Chrysanthou’s part. Who cares if she “trusts” him?

Did he tell the truth? And, as an “experienced” and “meticulous” journalist, is he exempt from doing that because reasons?

Doesn’t make sense.

Indolent
Indolent
August 4, 2023 6:25 pm

Dr. John Campbell

Unethical drug and vaccine ads

JMH
JMH
August 4, 2023 6:25 pm

I sincerely hope each and every Australian jacks up when confronted with ‘you need to pay $US$ to tell you what you can do on your freehold property’. They don’t want to look sideways at me when I have to bury an animal. Or dig in my garden. Or put in a post hole. Or clean out my dam that’s been there for about 100 years. The only way this crap will be beaten is for all of us to just go on with our lives as normal. I will not be complying and I hope the rest of the Continent does likewise.

calli
calli
August 4, 2023 6:25 pm

They’re more worried about the leaking than the contents.

No chance for the ACT town council to go into damage control/suppression/spin cycle.

Baba
Baba
August 4, 2023 6:26 pm

Bruce Lehrmann inquiry: Walter Sofronoff KC admits leaking report into the trial to the media

He was simply ensuring that the public got what it paid for and not a version heavily redacted by the ACT Soviet.

Indolent
Indolent
August 4, 2023 6:28 pm

Sen. Malcolm Roberts

Pfizer Under Question

calli
calli
August 4, 2023 6:28 pm

JMH, I’m thinking about how it will affect building applications. Add yet another layer of levies/win munni? Pretty sure that will be the result.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 6:30 pm

I sincerely hope each and every Australian jacks up when confronted with ‘you need to pay $US$ to tell you what you can do on your freehold property’

Good luck preaching “conciliation” when the first farmer is fined, or goes to gaol, for a breach of the Act.

Indolent
Indolent
August 4, 2023 6:30 pm

Sen. Roberts again. People like him give us hope.

Cancel Culture Places Australia at a Political Turning Point

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 6:30 pm

reconciliation….

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 4, 2023 6:31 pm

Bruce Lehrmann inquiry: Walter Sofronoff KC admits leaking report into the trial to the media.

For some more non-pedantry, it wasn’t an admission, just an announcement.

Frank
Frank
August 4, 2023 6:32 pm

Mentioned earlier, 10% of GDP does seem a bit optimistic. Good for the taxman though.

Indolent
Indolent
August 4, 2023 6:35 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 4, 2023 6:41 pm

Frank

Aug 4, 2023 6:07 PM

I think this bloke has been running on “fake it until you make it”, but never quite made it.

What does that mean for the legal profession if he could rise to that rank and stay there for so long.

Well, thanks to Rob Hulls, we don’t need to wonder.
The legal system relies a lot on trust and good faith between advocates and the judiciary.
Obviously Dumgold thought that could go in the bin for a greater cause.
I honestly believe he thought any enquiry would find he had cut a few corners but the cause was just.
It seems that 70% of his time spent “studying law” was a race-based Masters in “restorative justice”, which has a whiff of putting one’s thumb on the blindfolded lady’s scales.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 4, 2023 6:41 pm

Yeah doesn’t register on my Give-A-Phuck meter. Hun:

Haileybury College is taking disciplinary action against staff after coaches and first football players partied in a booze-fuelled celebration on Saturday night.

Former Essendon star player Matthew Lloyd, the triumphant team’s coach, was present at the gathering, which is in violation of school codes and child safety standards.

It is not known whether the team’s deputy coach, Scott Pendlebury, attended the party, which has sparked an investigation at the upmarket school.

Earlier in the day, the team had won the Associated Public Schools premiership in a close game against Caulfield Grammar.

A statement from Haileybury said the school “was made aware that on Saturday night, after the APS football game, a group of parents organised an impromptu celebratory gathering with students.

“It was with great disappointment that the school learnt that several members of staff attended this event,” it said.

“The school has moved quickly to discipline those staff members involved and to ensure they uphold their professional obligations concerning social gatherings with parents and students.

“We are continuing our inquiries and will take further action if necessary,” the statement said.

The Haileybury “Bloods” team kicked three goals in the last quarter to win the match and coveted premiership, with a final score of 57 to 49.

It is understood the final game of the season due to take place tomorrow between Haileybury and Geelong College will still go ahead at Newtown at 1pm.

The Haileybury first boys’ team has been regarded as the strongest team in the competition all season.

Students from Haileybury posted clips from the party on social media, but were told to remove them by the school.

One former teacher from the school said the Saturday night party “broke all the rules”.

“Students should not be partying with coaches,” they said.

The former teacher said it was a “clear breach of child safety rules”.

Rohan Brown, a former Trinity Grammar deputy headmaster and football coach, said school sporting matches “could easily get out of hand”.

“It’s just a game and there’s too much emphasis on winning. When a school lords their success the kids get inflated ideas of what they are about.”

He said coaches and students had to be very careful about fraternising after matches.

“Staff can’t be there when parents and students are celebrating. This is even more so the case when alcohol is involved.”

Mr Lloyd directed questions to the school.

Not Uh oh
Not Uh oh
August 4, 2023 6:42 pm

Good to see that the Chinese have lifted the tariffs on our barley, imposed back in 2020. Now, who in their right mind is going to put in a crop of barley on the off chance that the Chinese don’t have another hissy-fit and reimpose the tariffs. Same for our wine producers; don’t trust them.

cohenite
August 4, 2023 6:43 pm

Tide turning:

No more payments for welcome.
Members of Broken Hill’s Aboriginal community have criticised a decision by its local council to stop paying them for undertaking Welcome to Country ceremonies.

The conflict arose during Broken Hill City Council’s (BHCC) May meeting where it voted to change its Civic and Ceremonial Functions and Representation Policy.

While most of the amendments were minor, one of them surrounded Welcome to Country services at official events.

Under the revision, Broken Hill’s traditional owners, the Wilyakali people, would still be invited to perform the ceremony, but at no financial cost to the council.

For Wilyakali woman Taunoa Bugmy, who has been performing the ceremony for more than 15 years at various events, it was a shock — especially during Reconciliation Week.

“I’m heartbroken, I’m spiritually disrupted, I feel detached a little bit from my community, I feel outcasted,” Ms Bugmy said.

“A lot of my elders and family feel the exact same way and overall we’re disappointed.”

Ms Bugmy said while they appreciated the opportunity to perform the ceremony at official council events, it also represented an acknowledgement to the Wilyakali people, who were displaced from their traditional land in Broken Hill’s early days as various mining operations were established.

Unaware it was paid for
Despite the criticism, BHCC Mayor Tom Kennedy said until recently he and many councillors were unaware the service was paid for.

“For me, a welcome has to be given for it to be truly a welcome, as opposed to a paid statement,” he said.

“If you’re paying for something, you’re paying for a statement.”

But Ms Bugmy said the idea of paying for a Welcome to Country had been around for as long as she could remember, if not longer.

She said youths performing in language were paid a flat rate of $150, more senior representatives like her received $250, while an official smoking ceremony cost $300.

Ms Bugmy said it was important to note that those rates were several hundred — even thousands of dollars — lower than rates in larger cities like Sydney.

“This is our cultural competence that we’re sharing with the community and the country, so this is something that we should be paid for,” she said.

https://veteranweb.asn.au/news/no-more-payments-for-welcome/

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 4, 2023 6:44 pm

Daily Mail.

Bruce Lehrmann inquiry: Walter Sofronoff KC admits leaking report into the trial to the media

Chair of inquiry into Bruce Lehrmann case leaked report
He admitted to handing a copy to journalists

As Bear would say, “this Sofronoff character is just not a sound chap.”
Perfectly within his rights.
Why leave it to politicians to slice and dice a report which bears your name?

Roger
Roger
August 4, 2023 6:44 pm

“JMH, I’m thinking about how it will affect building applications. Add yet another layer of levies/win munni? Pretty sure that will be the result.”

Blak tape.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 6:47 pm

Under the revision, Broken Hill’s traditional owners, the Wilyakali people, would still be invited to perform the ceremony, but at no financial cost to the council.

What a wonderful gesture of reconciliation – preforming the “Welcome to Country” for free.

Indolent
Indolent
August 4, 2023 6:48 pm

John Anderson

The Voice: Four Myths

Roger
Roger
August 4, 2023 6:49 pm

Why leave it to politicians to slice and dice a report which bears your name?

Indeed.

He did obtain from the two journalists concerned a promise not to publish until after the ACT government had received it, and was no doubt mindful that the ACT Chief Minister is under no legal obligation to publicly release the report.

billie
billie
August 4, 2023 6:50 pm

Frank..What does that mean for the legal profession if he could rise to that rank and stay there for so long.

He’d been protected for so long, he thought he was the smart one, when it was a woke diverse crowd propping him up.

I do feel he was abandoned though when he “demanded” an inquiry, that was his big mistake that took out the ability for anyone to save him (and their part in the folly of his position).

The next opportunity to save him and save the mob who put him there and protected him, was when the report was tabled. The ACT government was going to bury it, but the good judge saw that and released it to the wild.

What do you reckon he sprays his sponsors at some stage, thinking that will take the focus of him and his epic works

I think there’s more to come, and I look forward to it.

I look forward to all his prior victims coming forward and demanding a retrial or such.

This has the potential of going on for years and may, just may, stop and make people think twice about diversity and affirmative action promotions that end up hurting so many people’s lives.

It won’t of course, since they think they are the smart ones, the good guys.

calli
calli
August 4, 2023 6:50 pm

I’m heartbroken, I’m spiritually disrupted, I feel detached a little bit from my community, I feel outcasted,” Ms Bugmy said.

“A lot of my elders and family feel the exact same way and overall we’re disappointed.”

Yes. You’ve been given the sack.

We’ve all had that happen to us. Be strong. Look for alternative employment. Move on.

cohenite
August 4, 2023 6:55 pm

“Cultural competence”. Hahahahahahahahahaha; FMD.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 4, 2023 6:56 pm

Walter Sofronoff KC admits leaking report into the trial to the media.

Nice work. 15 luv.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 4, 2023 6:58 pm

Not just the media, Albrechtsen. Reckon that wasn’t deliberate?

calli
calli
August 4, 2023 6:58 pm

Sounds like a piglet being removed from the tit. Squeal, squeal, whaaaaaah!

Nothing as delicious as a grifter set adrift. Never mind. She’ll still be eligible for sit down munni. Just not so much of it.

Dot
Dot
August 4, 2023 7:00 pm

The average life of a house in the outback communities is seven years.

What they need is a vibrant local council, pop up shops and housing, with culturally sensitive interpretative signage.

Dot
Dot
August 4, 2023 7:02 pm

Walter Sofronoff KC admits leaking report into the trial to the media

No doubt the ACT Town Council believes in judicial independence when they’re in Opposition.

Dot
Dot
August 4, 2023 7:03 pm

Walter Sofronoff KC admits leaking report into the trial to the media

No doubt the ACT Town Council believes in judicial independence when they’re in Opposition.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 4, 2023 7:08 pm

This is our cultural competence that we’re sharing with the community and the country, so this is something that we should be paid for,” she said.

When the love just isn’t there for a $10 handjob at the servo.

Dot
Dot
August 4, 2023 7:10 pm

Err, sorry about that.

“Cultural competence” is a two edged sword. If you accept it and objective facts whilst accepting civilised behaviour rejects the sims of the father, we’re all better off and you’re a little less likely to be cancelled.

What irks me is the continual evolution of the Welcome to Country. “Elders past, present and emerging” is just part of an arms race between wokies.

miltonf
miltonf
August 4, 2023 7:13 pm

“Elders past, present and emerging” yes it’s really odious and sound like something written by a pubic serpent in canbra

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 4, 2023 7:13 pm

Perhaps Lizzie could share with us the fights with the left where her blood was drawn. She sees herself as Boudicca, apparently.

Missing your upticks are you, dearie? Sadly for you they’re not available right now.

Let me see, fights against the left, sans wicker chariot and scythes on the wheels but with the sword of righteousness in hand. Maybe I’ve had a more interesting and confrontational life than you in that regard. During twenty-six years in academia in a serious university or two, until retiring twenty years ago now, from one of the most left-wing journalism faculties in the country. What could I possibly have had to fight about, being a Head of Department amongst that particularly vicious lot and having to pull more than a few into line? Sitting on a hundred selection committees and seeing what goes on there. Being hauled in to defend myself in various tribunals when some leftie has tried to take me down and fails to do so. And in the 80’s in one place being President of the Union (the Academic Staff Association as it was discretely known then) with its pitched battles over nothing much. And being duchessed for my vote in Labor Party Branch pre-selections for political office by a range of warring inner-city wannabees. Being screamed at as a scab down the corridors of one institution because I put the needs of my international masters students before some strike or other which affected me (a hard worker with a heavy teaching load) far more than the other lazybones ‘working or striking from home’ around the place. And I didn’t fight the left when I came across it on social occasions at very senior levels as Hairy’s wife, but by gee I took notes and have an excellent recall of some things I found hard to believe. I’ll leave all that good material for a memoir and have it legally checked before publication.

I do recall in the 70’s, heavily pregnant, standing up in a conference hall and suggesting moderately to the ‘feminist’ men and their female hangers-on on the podium (that was quite a thing back then, men leading the feminist push, lol, before they hopped into their sports cars and drove away during the capitalist phase). My suggestion was that there was actually a very real and significant difference in the minds and bodies of women to those of men which a true feminism would have one day to address – and at last that day is coming. Hallelujah. TERF’s rule.

But back then? Heresy! Howled down bigly. Except by some young female students at the back who said they thought I might be right.

So many more occasions, Johanna. I’ll keep off the other part of my comment, about early educational and social disadvantage, including my early forays into corporate life as a young woman with no background but some recognised writing talents. You can pollute that sneering ‘Angela’s Ashes’ to your heart’s content. You weren’t there and you don’t know. Where you were is up to you to say.

One thing is for sure. I will fight to stand up for my rights to comment here as I see fit without your attention-seeking behaviour denigrating me. You just can’t let go, and stalking is a very good name for what you do. Anything further from you will deserve one word: stalker.

Thankfully, no upticks

JMH
JMH
August 4, 2023 7:13 pm

“Black Tape” indeed.

calli
Aug 4, 2023 6:28 PM

JMH, I’m thinking about how it will affect building applications. Add yet another layer of levies/win munni? Pretty sure that will be the result.

I don’t doubt you. Both State and Federal Governments wailing about building thousands of new homes? Let’s see how that works out because the crap is coming down the chute right now in a number of states.

And wait till cultural bones are suspected to be under disintegrating asphalt. Fill that pothole in? Gimme lotsa whitefella munni. This is how ridiculous this rubbish is going to get.

miltonf
miltonf
August 4, 2023 7:14 pm

A canbra catechism like ‘I believe climate change is real’

Roger
Roger
August 4, 2023 7:16 pm

I have a theory…

The fetishization of indigenous culture stems from the decline of Christian belief.

Dot
Dot
August 4, 2023 7:19 pm

At the centre of the case is a 1987 agreement between Wright and Hancock in which Wright says it extinguished its interest in Hope Downs in exchange for a royalty. No royalty has ever been paid to Wright, despite the deposits having been mined by Rio Tinto since 2007.

The interest that is extinguished when it isn’t extinguished. A Clayton’s extinguisher.

Wake me up when the judge or Rynehart’s counsel mentions unjust enrichment.

Didn’t Wright’s lawyers put up the idea that because Hancock used old letterheads that Wright deserved a share of the revenue? As if that determined the mine being profitable.

Jorge
Jorge
August 4, 2023 7:19 pm

Living in harmony with nature. What does that involve ?

Well, when nature gives us a drought we get by. We kill off the babies.

When nature weakens the old so they can’t keep up we leave them behind.

When food is scarce it goes to the adult men who can fight.

And when the pub closes we drink on the street.

miltonf
miltonf
August 4, 2023 7:19 pm

Pope Francis began his four-day visit to Portugal for World Youth Day by blasting capitalism, populism, and insufficient attention to migrants and climate change.-Cranky Frankie latest- nasty old stinker

Dot
Dot
August 4, 2023 7:20 pm

SINS of the father.

More like the sins of autocorrect, amirite?

JMH
JMH
August 4, 2023 7:20 pm

Christ, I almost displaced my scroll wheel.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 4, 2023 7:20 pm

But Ms Bugmy said the idea of paying for a Welcome to Country had been around for as long as she could remember, if not longer.

60,000 years?

She said youths performing in language were paid a flat rate of $150, more senior representatives like her received $250, while an official smoking ceremony cost $300.

Sounds cheap.

Ms Bugmy said it was important to note that those rates were several hundred — even thousands of dollars — lower than rates in larger cities like Sydney.

There’s your problem.
As with JC’s “cultural survey” fees, it will be $16k in Toorak/South Yarra/Hawthorn and $1600 in Sunshine and Dandenong.
Who knew cultural heritage was a percentage fee.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 7:20 pm
miltonf
miltonf
August 4, 2023 7:21 pm

The fetishization of indigenous culture stems from the decline of Christian belief.

Yes I think that too and it’s rather pathetic to see so many clerics into it including cranky Frankie himself.

Dot
Dot
August 4, 2023 7:22 pm

When food is scarce it goes to the adult men who can fight.

It was an economic problem. Aborigines in Sydney Town integrated into mainstream society apace.

The black armband view of history ignores this.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 4, 2023 7:23 pm

Reading about retail property sales you can’t help thinking this is the rope-a-dope strategy behind the sale of the Australia Post leaseholds. 5 years from now most Colesworths will have joined Blockbuster.

miltonf
miltonf
August 4, 2023 7:23 pm

He really is a deadshit.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 7:24 pm

This is our cultural competence that we’re sharing with the community and the country, so this is something that we should be paid for,” she said.

Whitefella “cultural competence ” includes houses, schools, hospitals, welfare, supermarkets, Centrelink, medical centers – when do we get paid for that?

JMH
JMH
August 4, 2023 7:24 pm

“Bugmy”. I think the name says all that needs to be said.

Roger
Roger
August 4, 2023 7:24 pm

Yes I think that too and it’s rather pathetic to see so many clerics into it including cranky Frankie himself.

A fish rots from the head.

Dot
Dot
August 4, 2023 7:25 pm

John Hancock and Lisa Simpson:

“Where’s my residuals?”

Dot Dotson:

“Where’s my downticks?”

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 4, 2023 7:25 pm

When the love just isn’t there for a $10 handjob at the servo.

Well done on winning the interwebs today. Excellent work.

shatterzzz
August 4, 2023 7:29 pm

“I’m heartbroken, I’m spiritually disrupted, I feel detached a little bit from my community, I feel outcasted,” Ms Bugmy said.

The fact that “welcome to country” is a con dreamt up by Ernie Dingo in the mid 1970s seems to be, conveniently, forgotten ……!

Roger
Roger
August 4, 2023 7:32 pm

The fact that “welcome to country” is a con dreamt up by Ernie Dingo in the mid 1970s seems to be, conveniently, forgotten ……!

They were probably never aware of that.

They’ve been renumerated for cultural incompetence.

Tom
Tom
August 4, 2023 7:32 pm

The fetishization of indigenous culture stems from the decline of Christian belief.

Of course it does, Roger. Our ruling class and its useful activist idiots think that a primitive animist civilisation of semi-naked nomads is superior to Christianity.

That has happened because our culture collectively has decided that history as taught in the education system can teach us nothing.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 4, 2023 7:36 pm

Frank
Aug 4, 2023 6:32 PM
Mentioned earlier, 10% of GDP does seem a bit optimistic. Good for the taxman though.

Do you really think that “treaty” won’t include a complete exemption from taxation?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 7:38 pm

The fact that “welcome to country” is a con dreamt up by Ernie Dingo in the mid 1970s seems to be, conveniently, forgotten ……!

Ernie Dingo, who received his High school education, boarding at John Frewer Hostel, in Geraldton, in the early 1970’s for free – boarding fees, school fees, textbooks, uniforms, excursions, fares home on school holidays, pocket money, all paid by the taxpayer……

Baba
Baba
August 4, 2023 7:38 pm

The average life of a house in the outback communities is seven years.

That’s a long time for a pop up.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 4, 2023 7:42 pm

Roger

Aug 4, 2023 6:49 PM

Why leave it to politicians to slice and dice a report which bears your name?

Indeed.

He did obtain from the two journalists concerned a promise not to publish until after the ACT government had received it, and was no doubt mindful that the ACT Chief Minister is under no legal obligation to publicly release the report.

I’ll bet Sofronoff is on rock-solid legal ground in releasing it.
I’ll bet his letter of engagement says something like he can “disseminate, discuss and clarify the findings to any party at any time after the report is provided to the ACT Shire Council”.
Now why would the ACT Shire Council give him such free reign?
Well, think back to when this enquiry started. The dim-bulbs were having wet dreams at the prospect of Sofronoff recommending criminal charges against Reynolds, Brown, with a couple of AFP renegades also in the frame, and patting Dumgold on the head for doing a sterling job of prosecuting the case.
So having Sofronoff releasing the report under his own auspices?
What’s not to like?

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 4, 2023 7:43 pm

Ernie Dingo

Original Daryl Sommers

Roger
Roger
August 4, 2023 7:43 pm

Our ruling class and its useful activist idiots think that a primitive animist civilisation of semi-naked nomads is superior to Christianity.

Quite a stretch, eh?

Be that as it may, best of luck with the ‘toons tomorrow, Tom.

I have been missing them.

Tom
Tom
August 4, 2023 7:44 pm

Pauline Hanson’s Please Explain.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 4, 2023 7:44 pm

Barcelona

We have discovered the hard way – don’t allow yourself to be given E500 notes in Australia. Even trying to pay a legitimate large bill at an institution where your passport is inspected as part of the check-in process – such as one of our hotels – will not accept them. So we were told to go to a bank; did so; no good – you must go to the Bank of Spain. Once there, sorry, you need to make an appointment, and there are none left today. Somewhere out there the counterfeiters’ E500’s must be VERY good quality. Postscript: money changed, luckily we had the kosher stuff.

Been slightly disappointed with Barcelona – not as beautiful as the other cities we have visited. Also, the first time in Spain we have encountered clouds and dare I say it, humidity! It even rained a bit yesterday. Not as hot, low 30’s.

Barcelona is Gaudi overload – a Spanish architect and designer known as the greatest exponent of Catalan Modernism. IMO it is a whimsical almost fairytale style. We visited the grand Sagrada Familia (church) which is symbolic of the lifetime of Christ. The intricate outside stonework shows various concepts, such as saints, virtues and sins, ably explained to Mrs TE by Top Ender who recalled his many years of Catholic education. Also saw Casa Batlow, a house that Gaudi re-designed on one of the city’s main streets. That was enough.

We met up with our friends from Australia and ventured out to dinner at The Four Gats (The Four Cats), a restaurant which was frequented by Picasso and other artists and writers. It has a bohemian Parisian style. Lovely food and great catch-up. We all board our Med cruise today.

Randoms:

• There are Aldi’s throughout Spain – their security guards impressed me – stab vest, handcuffs, truncheon etc. Saw one search a bloke leaving and removing two bottles of bourbon – one from front of shorts and one from the back! Then let him go.

• Included a photo of street cleaning as well. Two women in wet weather gear and hose spraying. Followed by small vehicle with scrubbers.

• Did a history “free tour by foot” – which featured the Spanish Civil war and damage to buildings and Catalonia’s fight for independence (hence three flags on their buildings)

• Alcohol is often approximately 1/3rd of the price in Australia everywhere in Spain!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 4, 2023 7:46 pm

Oppenheimer in the laid-back Gold seats with someone bringing in little nibbles and popcorn along with more bubbly at spaced intervals was rather good. Cillian Murphy holds it al together well, still an autistic Tommy Shelby but with more anxiety which etches deeper over time, for there is quite of lot of time shifting and image changing in this big noise big screen big image and big drama about the big sciencey blackboard-equation development and then usage of the big bomb. The cameo of Einstein is particularly cute, and in the end, morally central. It’s meant to be immersive on the huge screen with surround sound and explosive motifs. For three hours it wove around the past and present in Oppenheimer’s life, loves and passionate intensities about physics and its location in academia. The Washington swamp is in full evidence, and because it’s McCarthyism it is played in a way they would never play a very similar sort of victimisation and character assassination happening to Trump. That said, was Oppenheimer as lily white as portrayed? Opinions may differ, but I wouldn’t really know. My guess is he was simply a product of the 30’s, engaging in Communism-lite during the Spanish Civil War, but changing when confronted with the evil of the Nazis and Japan. Mostly, compromised by his associates, though doubt lingers in me if not in the movie. When the security chief is asked whether he would have hired Oppenheimer under ‘current regulations’ he said no, adding that he wouldn’t have hired any of them if he’d had to use those. Good stuff.

Memorable bits – when the can-do General in charge of organising Los Alomos in the desert snaps out ‘build a town – fast!’. Also strong was when Kitty, his wife, takes on the Kangaroo Court Tribunal and gives them the edge of her wit. Taking notes there.

Worth a look and five stars overall. Didn’t flag over the three hours, kept the pace.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 4, 2023 7:48 pm

H B Bear

Aug 4, 2023 6:56 PM

Walter Sofronoff KC admits leaking report into the trial to the media.

Nice work. 15 luv.

Hmmmm.
I’m making it match point.

H B Bear

Aug 4, 2023 6:58 PM

Not just the media, Albrechtsen. Reckon that wasn’t deliberate?

I don’t reckon Mrs Bandana was on the shortlist.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 4, 2023 7:48 pm

Sofronoff has gone all Colonel Kurtz on them. I must make another Australia Council grant request for the movie rights. AFI funding could be a problem.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 4, 2023 7:51 pm

I don’t reckon Mrs Bandana was on the shortlist.

Sofronoff exudes power. Possibly no corn chips either.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 4, 2023 7:57 pm

Enjoy that cruise, Tom. Keep up the missives to home here on the Cat.

We were in Barcelona at a conference in the early 2000’s on April 21st which is Santa Geordi Day. That’s St. George, in English, and Ge-odi (people of Odin) in my linguistics. I wouldn’t be the first to say St. George is an ancient pan-European god, but I identify which one.

On Santa Geordi day men must give their wives a red rose and ladies give their husbands a book or a map. Hairy didn’t get me a rose, though he received a book from the conference, so the men at drinks ‘borrowed’ a red rose from another woman’s bouquet to ceremonially offer to me. Can’t be without one, they said.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 4, 2023 8:01 pm

Paywallian comment rejection rate hits 100%. Might need to tone it down a bit.

calli
calli
August 4, 2023 8:01 pm

Where are you cruising, TE?

calli
calli
August 4, 2023 8:02 pm

Wear pants for your next comment. You never know.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 4, 2023 8:11 pm

H B Bear

Aug 4, 2023 7:48 PM

Sofronoff has gone all Colonel Kurtz on them. I must make another Australia Council grant request for the movie rights. AFI funding could be a problem

Working title …
“Sofronoff Cocktail”
“Mr Sofronoff Goes to Town”
“Where’s Wally?”

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 4, 2023 8:13 pm

TikTok is reporting the identity of the QLD pedo.
I’m not on fb so can’t search his connections on that.
Googling his name doesn’t show up anything that would make one think he is part of a protected class.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 4, 2023 8:16 pm

Via social media, there a compilations of how seemingly religious Nathan Cleary is.
I consume a lot of rugby league content & have not heard it mentioned before.
Quite the media blackout.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 4, 2023 8:19 pm

Googling his name doesn’t show up anything that would make one think he is part of a protected class.

My guess wasn’t that he was part of a “protected class” or ethnic group.
I was speculating that his unfettered access might be suggestive of, say, a Government QA inspector, or a counsellor.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
August 4, 2023 8:20 pm

As for Aboriginal spirituality, Roger and Tom, Greg Sheridan usefully reminder us (commenting on some politically correct dreck about Australian values and indigenous spirituality from the immigration authorities) that a substantial majority of indigenous Australians self-identified in the last census as Christians. How very inconvenient of them!

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 4, 2023 8:23 pm

My guess wasn’t that he was part of a “protected class” or ethnic group.

Not saying you did.
I was looking for links to a certain “story time”.

calli
calli
August 4, 2023 8:26 pm

Ah…yes. Didn’t think of that one Bern.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 4, 2023 8:28 pm

Bruce Lehrmann should sue TikTok for some of things posted on that platform despite the court orders surrounding publication.

JC
JC
August 4, 2023 8:28 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Aug 4, 2023 7:46 PM

Oppenheimer in the laid-back Gold seats

and

That said, was Oppenheimer as lily white as portrayed? Opinions may differ, but I wouldn’t really know. My guess is he was simply a product of the 30’s, engaging in Communism-lite during the Spanish Civil War, but changing when confronted with the evil of the Nazis and Japan.

They were interesting times. Your people (Jews) killed wholesale in Europe. It doesn’t surprise how some turned towards communism in that period. It would have turned Jewish people nuts over what was going on in the old land.

JC
JC
August 4, 2023 8:29 pm

feelthebern
Aug 4, 2023 8:28 PM

Bruce Lehrmann should sue TikTok for some of things posted on that platform despite the court orders surrounding publication.

Brucey could up a relatively rich man for possibly bonking a sheila on a minister’s couch.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 4, 2023 8:30 pm

feelthebern

Aug 4, 2023 8:23 PM

My guess wasn’t that he was part of a “protected class” or ethnic group.

Not saying you did.
I was looking for links to a certain “story time”.

No worries.
I made a flippant reference to story-time, but the offences pre-date a time when that was in vogue.
I still smell someone with the authority and seniority to rock up and get one-on-one time with kids without question.
Although it has to be said that storytime types now fit into that category.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 4, 2023 8:31 pm

feelthebern

Aug 4, 2023 8:28 PM

Bruce Lehrmann should sue TikTok for some of things posted on that platform despite the court orders surrounding publication.

Flash Cat was headed that way before Googlery got booted.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 4, 2023 8:33 pm

Sofronoff admitting he leaked his own report saves the AFP a few weeks of (in)activity till it’s off the front pages. Especially since they have a cameo role in this particular drama.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 4, 2023 8:36 pm

I just checked Sofronoff’s CV.
Turns out he is something of a petrol-head, sitting on F1 and V8 Supercars tribunals and appeals boards.
It must have been worrying for the ACT Shire Council, thinking they had picked a solid Ford man only to turn up and see a Brock HSV parked in Soffer’s parking space.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 4, 2023 8:41 pm

With reference to the Higgins saga.
I think once allegations are made, we’re now at the stage when all data from both sides has to be gone through forensically.
None of this, can you please give us your phone business.
Having designated resources to do this would filter out the fake claims pretty early on.
Meaning genuine allegations could be pursued with more confidence.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
August 4, 2023 8:44 pm

On Sofronoff, I suspect that the head honchos in the ACT Toytown parliament didn’t do their homework. They probably thought, because Sofronoff had been the Solicitor-General and later a judge under Labor governments in Queensland, that they were getting a pliable leftist political toady along the lines of the Victorian bench under Hulls and Andrews. Instead they got an impartial judge of integrity – which they should have known if they followed the Queensland DNA lab inquiry.

As for the so-called leaking, it was fully within Sofronoff’s powers under his terms of reference. They seem to have forgotten that McClellan’s minions briefed the media before the release of his report, and in a very slanted way: of the hundreds of recommendations, they ensured that most of the coverage went to the most ill-founded of all, on the seal of confession. The proportion of cases where violating the seal would have made a difference was negligible.

JC
JC
August 4, 2023 8:44 pm

Jeez

end up…

JC
JC
August 4, 2023 8:47 pm
Tom
Tom
August 4, 2023 8:48 pm

Sofronoff admitting he leaked his own report saves the AFP a few weeks of (in)activity till it’s off the front pages.

Humphrey, there is no political constituency for the suppression of the Sofronoff report.

The only people who want it supressed are the defenders of the injustice meted out to Bruce Lehrmann.

Those defending the injustice are on the losing team. That is, those who saw Britnah as a useful idiot who could be used to bring down the ideological enemy, the LNP government, are as corrupt as Shane Drumgold.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 9:04 pm

https://richardsonpost.com/paulzanetti/28661/50-shades-of-grant/

Funny what pops up on the internet, isn’t it?

Rosie
Rosie
August 4, 2023 9:06 pm

I’ve also gotten caught out with a €500 note in Barcelona. Though I didn’t need an appointment to change it thank goodness.
After that I’ve always insisted on the smallest denominations possible and even then I get a flouncing waiter in Malaga who gave me change from a €100 for a €40 meal mostly in coins, which was fine by me.

Rosie
Rosie
August 4, 2023 9:09 pm

Trouble with Barcelona of course it is so densely populated being bound by mountains land is scarce and much of the old must have been sacrificed for high rise.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
August 4, 2023 9:09 pm

All around Twitter from a post by Senator Malcolm Roberts. It is a clip of him questioning Pfizer in Senate and they confirm they had their own special vaccine batch.

Yet another “conspiracy theory” becomes a fact.

“Pfizer undertook to import a batch of vaccines specifically for the employee vaccination program.”

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 4, 2023 9:11 pm

When even the Storm can only hold the Panthers for 20mins it’s pretty ominous for the rest of the comp.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 9:17 pm

Daily Mail.

The grandest and most extravagant of the royals – who longed for a quiet life! Remembering the Queen Mother, born on this day…

The Queen Mother, Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, was born on August 4, 1900

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 4, 2023 9:18 pm

As for the so-called leaking, it was fully within Sofronoff’s powers under his terms of reference.

Of course it was.
He is a black letter kind of guy and wouldn’t have done it unless he was on safe legal ground.
As you say, the fact that he was a Labor appointee led them to believe (mistakenly) that he would be some sort of Torrie fighting patsy.
So they would have been pretty relaxed about giving him rights over release.
Hey, the more at the Reynolds lynching party the better, right?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 4, 2023 9:20 pm

My guess for the feature in the Weekend Australian?
It will be the pile-on.
A cavalcade of the good and the great from the legal profession telling Dumgold to hang up the horsehair.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 4, 2023 9:22 pm

I don’t like it when the Weekend Oz pops the weekend quiz up on a Friday evening.
I can’t help myself & I have to do it.

Crossie
Crossie
August 4, 2023 9:23 pm

DrBeauGan
Aug 4, 2023 3:46 PM
The Europeans offered aborigines access to our civilisation; no strings, but if you adopt our habits and customs, you get the benefits of our science and technology.

To their credit, about eighty percent of the aborigines took up the deal, and are now just Australians. A smaller number of these tried to exploit European generosity by demanding power in the system. And the rest live in wretched squalor, largely of their own making, because that’s what their culture provides.

Aboriginal history in a nutshell. Bravo! (Instead of upticks)

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 4, 2023 9:26 pm

feelthebern
Aug 4, 2023 9:22 PM

I don’t like it when the Weekend Oz pops the weekend quiz up on a Friday evening.
I can’t help myself & I have to do it.

After lunch Saturday from the dead tree version.
Invariably the protest flag goes up over ambiguous wording.
If I have a look online on Friday night I might become … a God Oracle!

mizaris
mizaris
August 4, 2023 9:40 pm

The controversial overhaul of WA’s Aboriginal heritage laws will be scrapped completely in a stunning development just one month after the changes came into effect.

Facing a wave of anger and anxiety — particularly among the State’s farming community — Premier Roger Cook and Aboriginal Affairs Minister Tony Buti are poised to make the announcement within days.

The West Australian understands major resources companies and Indigenous groups were briefed on the decision on Friday.

It followed days of frantic meetings at the highest levels of Government to address an issue handballed to Mr Cook by the resignation of Mark McGowan that had threatened to swamp his fledgling premiership.

Dealing with the fallout from the heritage laws has divided Cabinet but the consensus ultimately was that the new regime was far too complex and could not be rescued through tweaks to regulations alone.

That left a full repeal of the laws rushed through Parliament in late 2021 as the only option considered suitable, with the State to revert to the 1972 laws the new system sought to replace.

After initially digging in his heels over the legislation, there has been a marked change in rhetoric from the Premier — and his ministers — in recent days.

Aboriginal Affairs Minister Tony Buti is poised to make the announcement within days alongside Mr Cook. Credit: Iain Gillespie/The West Australian
The Government has spent the past fortnight insisting it was listening to feedback from a cross-sector implementation group representing miners, agricultural groups, property developers and Aboriginal corporations and would “immediately” make any changes deemed appropriate.

Farmers have planned to rally outside Parliament House protesting the new Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Act on Tuesday, the day MPs return from the five-week winter recess.

During that time thousands of people have attended information sessions hosted by the Department of Planning, Lands and Heritage in locations across WA in an attempt to explain the new obligations.

The new laws introduced a three-tiered approach for ground-disturbing activities and place a far greater onus on landowners to proactively ensure their properties did not contain cultural heritage prior to embarking on development.

Concerns have been raised about the time and cost associated with completing that due diligence process and the narrow scope of exemptions, with the Act capturing any property bigger than 1100sqm.

HELD AT ‘RANSOM’
Farmers fear new laws will send them broke or to jail
Rebecca Le May

EXCLUSIVEPLANS DISRUPTED
Heritage law doubt saddles retiree with ‘unsellable’ block
Josh Zimmerman

The rollout of the laws was further hamstrung by the fact regulations explaining the intricate detail were not published until Easter — just three months before they came into effect.

Other key documents explaining how to carry out surveys and investigations were not publically released until just days before the July 1 implementation date.

Both Opposition Leader Shane Love and Liberal Leader Libby Mettam have already pledged to tear up the updated heritage laws — which replaced 50-year-old legislation — if Labor was removed from power in 2025.

Shock polling by Utting Research placed the Liberals in an election-winning position last month and identified the deeply unpopular heritage laws as one of the key factors driving voters away from Mr Cook’s government.

They also played a prominent role in the Rockingham by-election to replace Mr McGowan, which saw Labor’s primary vote slashed by more than 30 percentage points to its lowest level since 1996.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 4, 2023 9:43 pm

Oz Quiz is far too much Celebrity confetti and How Many Place Names With Letters.
I just put my finger on the Circuit Breaker and try to solve it in under five seconds, and then flip through to Christopher Allen.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 4, 2023 9:46 pm

The controversial overhaul of WA’s Aboriginal heritage laws will be scrapped completely in a stunning development just one month after the changes came into effect.

Wouldn’t have anything to do with Albo pizzing his knickers, because he thinks the “Voice” referendum will fail?

Razey
Razey
August 4, 2023 9:51 pm

I sense some kind of karmic consequence coming to Australia for failure to push back against the clot shot tyranny, trans bullshit, lgbtaphabet’s, Aboriginal grifting and voting for absolute bottom of the barrel scum.

John H.
John H.
August 4, 2023 9:55 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Aug 4, 2023 9:46 PM
The controversial overhaul of WA’s Aboriginal heritage laws will be scrapped completely in a stunning development just one month after the changes came into effect.

Wouldn’t have anything to do with Albo pizzing his knickers, because he thinks the “Voice” referendum will fail?

Too late, the jig is up. Those stupid laws, and the full implications of the Uberdumb statement, have made it obvious to Australians that the frackas isn’t about justice and righting wrongs, it is about money, money, money.

So happy I was wrong when I thought the Yes vote would get up.

Bill P
Bill P
August 4, 2023 9:56 pm

“The Smoking ceremony, copied from Catholic missionaries, waving an incense brazier?”

Ooh, excuse me, did you know your handbag is on fire.

h/t Peter Sellers

Crossie
Crossie
August 4, 2023 10:35 pm

Just watched Cate Blanchett oozing about the inclusive culture while talking about the voice. That vacuous idiot did not realise that the voice is about exclusion, no non-aboriginals need apply.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 4, 2023 10:35 pm

Google Deep Mind

RT-2: Vision-Language-Action Models Transfer Web Knowledge to Robotic Control – 26 Pages

We study how vision-language models trained on Internet-scale data can be incorporated directly into end-to-end robotic control to boost generalization and enable emergent semantic reasoning.

Our goal is to enable a single end-to-end trained model to both learn to map robot observations to actions and enjoy the benefits of large-scale pretraining on language and vision-language data from the web.

To this end, we propose to co-fine-tune state-of-the-art vision-language models on both robotic trajectory data and Internet-scale vision-language tasks, such as visual question answering. In contrast to other approaches, we propose a simple, general recipe to achieve this goal: in order to fit both natural language responses and robotic actions into the same format, we express the actions as text tokens and incorporate them directly into the training set of the model in the same way as natural language tokens.

We refer to such category of models as vision-language-action models (VLA) and instantiate an example of such a model, which we call RT-2.

Our extensive evaluation (6k evaluation trials) shows that our approach leads to performant robotic policies and enables RT-2 to obtain a range of emergent capabilities from Internet-scale training.

This includes significantly improved generalization to novel objects, the ability to interpret commands not present in the robot training data (such as placing an object onto a particular number or icon), and the ability to perform rudimentary reasoning in response to user commands (such as picking up the smallest or largest object, or the one closest to another object).

We further show that incorporating chain of thought reasoning allows RT-2 to perform multi-stage semantic reasoning, for example figuring out which object to pick up for use as an improvised hammer (a rock), or which type of drink is best suited for someone who is tired (an energy drink).

6. Conclusions

In this paper, we described how vision-language-action (VLA) models could be trained by combining vision-language model (VLM) pretraining with robotic data. We then presented two instantiations of VLAs based on PaLM-E and PaLI-X, which we call RT-2-PaLM-E and RT-2-PaLI-X.

These models are cofine-tuned with robotic trajectory data to output robot actions, which are represented as text tokens.

We showed that our approach results in very performant robotic policies and, more importantly, leads to a significantly better generalization performance and emergent capabilities inherited from web-scale vision-language pretraining. We believe that this simple and general approach shows a promise of robotics directly benefiting from better vision-language models, which puts the field of robot learning in a strategic position to further improve with advancements in other fields.

Google DeepMind’s Revolutionary AI Model Ushers New Era Of Intelligent Robots

BY TYLER DURDEN
FRIDAY, AUG 04, 2023

Google’s artificial intelligence lab published a new paper explaining the development of the “first-of-its-kind” vision-language-action (VLA) model that learns from scrapping the internet and other data to allow robots to understand plain language commands from humans while navigating environments like the robot from the Dinsey movie Wall-E or the robot from the late 1990s flick Bicentennial Man.

“For decades, when people have imagined the distant future, they’ve almost always included a starring role for robots,” Vincent Vanhoucke, the head of robotics for Google DeepMind, wrote in a blog post.

Do you recall the 1999 sci-fi comedy-drama film featuring Robin Williams, titled Bicentennial Man?

Vanhoucke continued, “Robots have been cast as dependable, helpful and even charming. Yet across those same decades, the technology has remained elusive — stuck in the imagined realm of science fiction.”

Until now…

DeepMind introduced the Robotics Transformer 2 (RT-2), which utilizes a VLA model that learns from the web and robotics data and translates this knowledge into understanding its environment and human commands.

Previously, training robots to perform simple tasks, such as throwing away trash or cooking french fries, have been achieved. But a whole new upgrade in intelligence has arrived by robots being able to perform these tasks below:

“Unlike chatbots, robots need “grounding” in the real world and their abilities. Their training isn’t just about, say, learning everything there is to know about an apple: how it grows, its physical properties, or even that one purportedly landed on Sir Isaac Newton’s head.

A robot needs to be able to recognize an apple in context, distinguish it from a red ball, understand what it looks like, and most importantly, know how to pick it up,” Vanhoucke noted.

The critical understanding is that robots are about to get much more intelligent than ever, with just enough brains to replace humans in low-skill jobs.

In March, Goldman told clients that robotization of the service sector would translate to millions of job losses in the years ahead.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 4, 2023 11:04 pm

Hey Calli, Barcelona to Athen over three weeks, with a different port every second day or so.

Crossie
Crossie
August 4, 2023 11:13 pm

But Ms Bugmy said the idea of paying for a Welcome to Country had been around for as long as she could remember, if not longer.

Oh, come on, it’s a prank surname. It’s got to be.

Rabz
August 4, 2023 11:14 pm

Is this thing on, I asks ya!

cohenite
August 4, 2023 11:15 pm

Just watched Dr Strangelove again. The really frightening thing is that the venal, vicious bastards leading the world depicted in the movie are much smarter than the vermin now actually running the world. Seller’s fight with his Nazi arm at the end is a scene for the ages.

MatrixTransform
August 4, 2023 11:18 pm

Is this thing on…?

try the veal

Crossie
Crossie
August 4, 2023 11:18 pm

Tom
Aug 4, 2023 7:32 PM
The fetishization of indigenous culture stems from the decline of Christian belief.

Of course it does, Roger. Our ruling class and its useful activist idiots think that a primitive animist civilisation of semi-naked nomads is superior to Christianity.

It’s amazing how we Christians are derided at every turn about our belief in God but rainbow serpent is legit to our rulers.

Rabz
August 4, 2023 11:22 pm

Just watched Dr Strangelove again

As one does (not).

Cronks – the hitlo-stalinists we are up against now are far more vicious bastards than the vermin that existed on this planet ninety years ago.

This has been alleged by no lesser personage than the Currency Lad.

Rabz
August 4, 2023 11:31 pm

Ol’ Ozzie

Loves posting massive slabs of other peoples’ text (again).

Presumably because he can’t call in the areff to conduct some much needed editing.

FFS, cut the (borrowed) content down, you boring phoning it in dinobore …

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 4, 2023 11:32 pm

Humphrey, there is no political constituency for the suppression of the Sofronoff report.

The ACT Chief Minister was proposing to sit on it for a few weeks to allow “proper Cabinet processes” to occur. Whether that amounts to suppression is really in the eye of the beholder. I think Sancho is close with everyone trying to agree how Drumgold gets to exit stage left.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 4, 2023 11:34 pm

They were interesting times. Your people (Jews) killed wholesale in Europe.

JC, I think you might be confusing me with my friend Cassie here. I am no Jewish.

On that note though, we are currently very much enjoying our Israeli soapie on Netflix, in its second series – The Beauty Queen of Jerusalem. It’s actually much better than a soapie, a family saga is more like it, over generations during the British occupation of what became Israel. The old culture of the Pater Familias and the honor and shame virtues and problems were being loosened by modernity. A fascinating portrait of that world and its characters.

And so to bed.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 4, 2023 11:35 pm

not Jewish – I hate it when my computer loses a letter in the process of quick typing.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 4, 2023 11:36 pm

Over in the West the new Sneakers (or the Liar focus groups) have decided to go the ALPBC over the Woodside CEO. As usual Ita MIA.

JC
JC
August 4, 2023 11:45 pm

No confusion Liz

I read your comment about the movie Oppie which led to think of that possibility.

Rabz
August 4, 2023 11:48 pm

Over in the West the new not Jewish Sneakers have decided to go mediaeval on the ALPBC over the Woodside CEO. As usual Ita MIA.

The appointment of the very aged Ita by that noted expedient imbecile Goose Morristeen has proven to be a masterstroke.

Shut. It Down.
Fire. Them. All.

Mound. Of. Skulls.
Nuke. From. Orbit.

Rabz
August 4, 2023 11:52 pm
H B Bear
H B Bear
August 4, 2023 11:54 pm

I doubt SloMo would be capable of masterstroking himself.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 4, 2023 11:58 pm

The ACT town mayor who has dents in his poo is looking as dumb as Dumbgold.

Rabz
August 5, 2023 12:07 am

this woman has been exposed as a tool whose dubious rape accusation did much to bring down a government

Superficial eddles grade bollocks.

The Goose Morristeen government* was “on the nose” from December 2019 when the “gerbil worming” induced outer Sydneystan conflagrations were duly leapt upon by the braindead lamestream meeja like a Honey badger on an ants’ nest.

Three months later and Bat ‘Flu insanity is gifted us for the next two years.

Still not happy about the Bat ‘Flu insanity, Cats.

Three years of my life destroyed. Haven’t forgotten and will never, ever, forgive. (not happy emoji not posted)

*If it could be dignified with such a title

Rabz
August 5, 2023 12:18 am

Thank goodness for aesthetically pleasing trimbos, Cats …

Robert Sewell
August 5, 2023 11:11 am

calli

Aug 4, 2023 12:11 PM
I have become addicted to upticking. There. I’ve said it.
So many comments I want to agree with in the most passive manner possible without committing my opinion to word-pixels.
There may be no cure.

Me too.
The feedback generated by both up and downticks is necessary. You cannot have a system working effectively if there is no feedback on results. The person who continues to generate nonsense feedback isn’t being funny – they’re being malicious.

Robert Sewell
August 5, 2023 11:22 am

sfw:

The Sikhs and daggers isn’t because of culture, it’s religious. If you can find a religion that wants you to go about armed, then join and off you go.
Perhaps we need to start one.

Just find a refererence in the Bible that deems it necessary – you know, something like Luke 22:36 –Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Seems pretty straight forward.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
August 5, 2023 11:34 am

DeepMind introduced the Robotics Transformer 2 (RT-2), which utilizes a VLA model that learns from the web and robotics data and translates this knowledge into understanding its environment and human commands.

So they taught a robot to objectify women? What is it called, the Misogyne Systems Patriarch 800?
😀

Robert Sewell
August 5, 2023 11:35 am

Lizzie:

A woman less blooded in the fight against the left and the many injustices of my youth would have given up long ago against such a barrage of hate, based on false accusations by a stalker. I have no hesitation in saying that if I get similar treatment again, I will once more fill this site with my objections to it regardless of the opinions regarding ‘me, me, me’ or ‘precious petal’ voiced about that. I tend to believe those upticks are genuine, to the shame of the site.

Certainly the robust arguments have spilled over at times into sheer nastiness on both sides, but like many who have been here for a while, I agree it has toughened my hide and made my ripostes more logical and my arguments more to the point.
I’ve given you a couple of kicks when you wandered off argument but you’ve come back each time with qualifications that clarified your position.
Hairy is wrong – don’t walk away from the fight – get stuck in with your teeth and continue to evolve your arguments.

Robert Sewell
August 5, 2023 11:51 am

Fair Shake

Aug 4, 2023 1:30 PM
Fluorescent hair is not a statement , it is a cry for help.

Many, many upticks.

Robert Sewell
August 5, 2023 12:43 pm

FlyinDuk:

They might just have killed the golden goose here – which means, like all totalitarian plans, there will be increasing resistance, countered by increasing repression, until the public revolt.

And that revolt is usually sparked by a seemingly trivial event – like ‘let them have cake.’

Robert Sewell
August 5, 2023 12:46 pm

Cassie of Sydney:

You’re right, it is totally partisan…however I have a strong feeling that those of us with “ladyparts” have zero sympathy for Brinnie.

I spoke to sister sister a few days after that all started up, and her reply was “Bullshit. Bullshit on stilts.”

Robert Sewell
August 5, 2023 12:54 pm

ZK2A:

China removes tariffs on Australian barley after breakthrough in relations between Canberra and Beijing

Those floods must be devastating the crops this year.
The money and resources that have been squirreled away by the corruptocrats and not put to flood mitigation is going to hit the poor buggers hard.
The ‘trees being uprooted and replanted with crops plan’ isn’t going to help.

Robert Sewell
August 5, 2023 1:08 pm

Gilas:

Everyone here should be actively contributing to the NO campaign, as discussed previously, see volunteerforno.com.au.

Went for a couple of drinks at the pub yesterday evening, on the way to the recycling centre, bloke pulls me up to have a look at the T shirt – The Voice Isn’t the End of Negotiations – it’s the Starting Point of the Next Round of Demands – wants to take a photo. Conversation very supportive, well in line with 80% of those taking part.
This thing is going to get a caning in the country and the suburbs away from the capitols. But it’s going to pass in the wealthier suburbs where there will be enough of a margin to allow cheating at the count to matter.

Robert Sewell
August 5, 2023 1:43 pm

Thefrollickingmoll:
Just a quick question about the Good Works of Marcia Langdon:
What has she done out of her own pocket to advance Aboriginal Reconciliation?
How far across the aisle has she come to meet White Australia?
The answer of course is bugger all, because she knows the very day her captive exhibits on the land integrate, her cushy job goes belly up.

Robert Sewell
August 5, 2023 1:50 pm

JC,
Thankyou for the nomination of the Nobel Prize.
Now answer the question which is inherent in my post – why don’t our leaders enact the same policies of deregulation, remove the obstacles that are distorting our economies, and pay their bills and stop spending on getting themselves re-elected?

Robert Sewell
August 5, 2023 2:16 pm

Roger:

Just as with the Eureka Stocade in 1854, which can be viewed as our 1848 moment, it will come several years after the northern hemisphere eruptions of popular sentiment, and will not be freighted with as much historical gravity, but it will change things here nonetheless.

About the Eureka Stockade – it was about several things, but from memory it was about over reaching pubic servants who were abusing and gaoling miners for not having miners licences.
The miners were spending days in water, getting their licences wet and the ink running, so they would leave their paperwork in the tents. Of course the wallopers would fine them for being not in possession of the licences. But the clerks wouldn’t or couldn’t issue the paperwork in a format that would remain legible.
A continuing Catch 22 situation made worse by crooked coppers.
Last night a young bloke in the pub had been booked for not having his seatbelt on – he drove out his front gate and was putting it on and the coppers were going the other way. Pulled up and fined over $1000 !

… in which voters send a very unambiguous message to the elites who take them for granted.

The penalty is way beyond ANY reasonable fine and is authoritarian and unacceptable.

Robert Sewell
August 5, 2023 3:01 pm

Razey:

AU’s is circling the drain.

FX RATE 0.6559
last month

I don’t follow your point.

Robert Sewell
August 5, 2023 3:35 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Aug 4, 2023 6:11 PM

Colour me suspicious, but why do I think Hell will freeze over, before any unit of the A.D.F. will give any A.B.C. “journalist” the time of day?

Because ANY organisation has some disaffected career oriented members who will sell the organisation for good publicity and a better chance at promotion. For example — the ADF.

Robert Sewell
August 5, 2023 3:53 pm

calli

Aug 4, 2023 6:28 PM
JMH, I’m thinking about how it will affect building applications. Add yet another layer of levies/win munni? Pretty sure that will be the result.

Calli it will just add another layer of expense into the property market which will mean even more rising costs. That will keep the profit margins up and perhaps force owners into 100 year mortgages which their children and grandchildren will pay off. It’s a replay of the old Company Store where debts only go one way – up.

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