Open Thread – Mon 7 Aug 2023


The Sacrifice of Vesta, Francisco Goya, 1771

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Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 7, 2023 9:31 pm

Representations from the voice would not be regarding the constitution but from a constitutional body.

And it would still come down to the grey area of what receiving representations involved.

A constitutional body that claimed it was simply being ignored would require clarification as to what acknowledged representations would look like.

For example, a formal response that satisfied the Voice, which simply need only to insist that their assertions had not been properly considered.

cohenite
August 7, 2023 9:33 pm

Would the High Court suggest there is body that can tell the Federal Parliament what to do and follow their instructions? That’s what you’re suggesting. How is this possible?

The HC determines that the parliament is acting consistent with the Constitution. The screech will be in the Constitution. I’ve explained how clause (ii), representations, and clause (iii) parliament obligations to the screech, will work.

MatrixTransform
August 7, 2023 9:35 pm

a pathetic gotcha attempt

tbh, it’s the infantile gibber that’s the most annoying

P
P
August 7, 2023 9:36 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Aug 7, 2023 8:21 PM

“Does anyone wear shoes anymore? Shoes, as in traditional leather shoes? I’m not suggesting it’s the case 100% of the time.”

I do, I spend a fortune on shoes. My favourite shoe shop is Peter Sheppard. I’m partial to Italian and Spanish shoes.

I still have two pairs of shoes I’ve saved over the years as they’ve been hardly worn, the first a Matinez Valero purchased 1993 from David Jones.
The second an Icon-7 purchased from Peter Sheppard 2001 – cost me near to $400 back then as our dollar continued to drop.
Just looking at them still gives me great pleasure.

MatrixTransform
August 7, 2023 9:40 pm

the purpose built, billion dollar detention facility ?

nothing to see here, they’re only tax dollars right?

… mind you, only a few hundred thousand went my way

so wtf would I no?

JC
JC
August 7, 2023 9:40 pm

I’ve explained how clause (ii), representations, and clause (iii) parliament obligations to the screech, will work.

Okay, show us how it would work with an example. I’ll write the example for you.

The First Nations body makes a representation on say some element of spending in the health sector(Medicare) that is currently being introduced into parliament as legislation. The Scream’s body says they don’t like the proposal because it doesn’t contain anywhere near enough to satisfy the “unmet needs” of the aboriginals.

The governing majority refuses to accept the representation.
What can happens then?

JC
JC
August 7, 2023 9:44 pm

Just looking at them still gives me great pleasure.

Long ago commenter (Gab) used to talk about her massive shoe fetish.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 7, 2023 9:45 pm

Would the High Court suggest there is body that can tell the Federal Parliament what to do and follow their instructions? That’s what you’re suggesting. How is this possible?

My ruminations, very much speculative rather than predictive, are that the High Court on one of its excursions, might constue implied obligations on the legislature not formally written down.

I see it as a possibility.

What is less speculative is how quickly our political elite drop to their knees and kiss the ring whenever accused of racism.

It has to date led us to the mess we already find ourselves in.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 7, 2023 9:46 pm

Image what an activist HC could do with that, reparations, extra land rights etc etc.

Reparations could spark a legal dogfight of monumental proportions. To begin with, what is the qualification to receive reparations? An Aboriginal great-great grandfather?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 7, 2023 9:49 pm

I thought the YES case claimed nationally they were breaking 65% to YES.

They might be claiming that, but Redbridge found the opposite.
That the Undecideds broke 65% to NO.
Another interesting aspect of the Redbridge polling was the “stiffness” of voting intentions.
Asked about their level of certainty of their preference, 37% of No voters considered themselves locked in, compared with only 21% of Yes voters.
That is soft as butter.

JC
JC
August 7, 2023 9:49 pm

Let’s face facts, The squeal like everything else dealing with this group: it’s always about money. That’s what it boils down to.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 7, 2023 9:50 pm

Good to see that tonight Bolt interviewed Keith Windschuttle re his piece on the Big Man culture of complete nepotism and money grabbing of Royalties funds that surrounds Albo’s hero Galarrwuy Yunupingu, whose top dog clan is gaining profits from running the Garma festival at up to $5000 a person entry. A mansion, four wives in other mansions, a helicopter to fly between them, new Toyotas, and a culture of handing out only to his close mates was all discussed. We should be disgusted at what went on there and on how only 50% of the kids go to school, plus the fact that we are building an expensive new ‘cultural’ high school to ‘assist’ in the midst of this nepotism. Bolt didn’t mention that last bit.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 7, 2023 9:51 pm

If you look closely, you’ll spot Christopher Reeve at @4:11. Homage.

Superman Destroys The World Engine – Terraforming Scene – Man of Steel – 4k 60 FPS

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 7, 2023 9:54 pm

Reparations could spark a legal dogfight of monumental proportions. To begin with, what is the qualification to receive reparations? An Aboriginal great-great grandfather?

In which case some in my family ambit at the GGP level are going to be sitting pretty.

Except they have no interest in making such a claim, they’ve just got on with life.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 7, 2023 9:54 pm

rosie

Aug 7, 2023 9:22 PM

Reading the Sofronoff report.

Can you post a link?

MatrixTransform
August 7, 2023 9:54 pm

pointless and useless

Wasn’t the claim that vaccine refused were going to be herding into ‘quarantine’ facilities?
As it was it was only used for people who were unable to isolate at home.

that’s correct and a couple of thousand were indeed interned at Mickelham

my original issue at the time, was that a year after the ’emergency!!’

money and resources were still being squandered on a grand scale for a pointless and useless piece of shit

sancho, KD and JC can spin any old frog-shit they like

their innuendo and intrigue plot is more than a little bit Disney

Dot
Dot
August 7, 2023 9:56 pm

They might be claiming that, but Redbridge found the opposite.
That the Undecideds broke 65% to NO.

Well, I can’t read. 🙁 It was that way all along. 🙂

This thing is so cooked, now factor in the turnout and informal votes too – it can never get more than 3 States to say YES.

It’s over. Albanese has 170 hours and five minutes to pull the pin.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 7, 2023 9:56 pm

mongs

u forgot mongs

v impordant to say mongs

every time

cohenite
August 7, 2023 9:56 pm

The First Nations body makes a representation on say some element of spending in the health sector(Medicare) that is currently being introduced into parliament as legislation. The Scream’s body says they don’t like the proposal because it doesn’t contain anywhere near enough to satisfy the “unmet needs” of the aboriginals.

The governing majority refuses to accept the representation.
What can happens then?

A classic case. First you tell me whether either major political party, the liars or libs would resist the screech representation about such a tear and fear issue as 3rd nations health.

Perhaps a better hypothetical would be the screech representing Australia stop spending $trillions on defence and invest in bark canoes and boomerangs instead. I could see that happening with some of the 3rd nation grifters currently running the show.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 7, 2023 9:58 pm

it’s always about money. That’s what it boils down to.

The sad common thread.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 7, 2023 9:59 pm

Is used to own and wear quite a few of my fave Bally designer shoes at one time. All tossed now, and these days I spend a lot of time in white sneakers. I have three pairs of those, and you can wear them with most things to most places except anything formal.

Comfort hit home after I broke my foot in 2020.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 7, 2023 10:00 pm

A mansion, four wives in other mansions, a helicopter to fly between them, new Toyotas,

For shame, LizzieB, don’t you know that was all part of traditional Aboriginal culture?

MatrixTransform
August 7, 2023 10:01 pm

stfu sancho

do you do anything but shit-talk ?

JC
JC
August 7, 2023 10:02 pm

A classic case. First you tell me whether either major political party, the liars or libs would resist the screech representation about such a tear and fear issue as 3rd nations health.

Okay, I was being hypothetical and not dealing with reality. I’m trying to understanf what would happen in that case if the Squeal got through.

Perhaps a better hypothetical would be the screech representing Australia stop spending $trillions on defence and invest in bark canoes and boomerangs instead. I could see that happening with some of the 3rd nation grifters currently running the show.

Okay, use this example, seeing you’re so bitchy in not using mine. What happens in your example if the Squeal makes a representation (as you called it) and the government disagrees? Could the High Court actually force the government to divert funding to the Squealers?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 7, 2023 10:03 pm

confirm or deny

catweazle beard or not?

we need 2 no

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 7, 2023 10:03 pm

In which case some in my family ambit at the GGP level are going to be sitting pretty.

I told my father I definitely remembered an Aboriginal great grandparent. He invited me to look up “disinherited” in the dictionary.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 7, 2023 10:05 pm

Hairy’s busy watching the Matildas vs Denmark. He seems quite taken with it.

Well, he did attend a lot of our daughter’s netball and basketball games and he is all for women in sport – as long as they are real women not pretend ones.

I’ve never been the sporting type of mum. One reason why I am not my daughter’s ideal mother. Too bookish. Not a social butterfly either.

rosie
rosie
August 7, 2023 10:06 pm
MatrixTransform
August 7, 2023 10:08 pm

try?

and if you don’t succeed … try again

JC
JC
August 7, 2023 10:11 pm

US Treasury Department’s quarterly net-borrowing estimates for the second half of 2023 just came out, and that number is a sickening $1.85 TRILLION.

And the Fed’s taking out about 80 bill a month reversing QE. !0 year bond is now comfortably about 4% and climbing.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 7, 2023 10:12 pm

I’ve just been dipping again into Fey Von Hassell’s autobiography of being a ‘kinship prisoner’ of the Nazis. This would make a hugely interesting movie, as it’s got everything. The Von Stauffenberg assassination failure and its aftermath, the rounding up on various high profile aristocratic kin regardless of whether they had any involvement or not, the forced suicides of some of the men, the removal of very young children from the women to put them in unknown orphanages, the group of aristocrats and senior political figures moved from place to place, including concentration camps, the high treatment they received as well as the maltreatment by the perplexed Nazis in Hugo Boss uniforms, and Fey’s falling in love with one of the Von Stauffenberg men, only at the end of the war to have to say goodbye and return to her husband and find her children. One can imagine the wonderful costumes of the 40’s and the high life lived at first being cinematically fascinating, as well as the conflicts and emotions between the imprisoned. A truly interesting and historic tale just crying out for a decent movie.

Dot
Dot
August 7, 2023 10:13 pm

Here trilly trilly trilly…

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 7, 2023 10:19 pm

Any other West Australia Cats remember a prominent activist, whose initials were K C?

Seems he first enlisted in the Australian Army, claiming to be of Maori origins….

cohenite
August 7, 2023 10:20 pm

Okay, use this example, seeing you’re so bitchy in not using mine.

I’m never bitchy; pouty, mysterious and majestically aloof but never bitchy.

What happens in your example if the Squeal makes a representation (as you called it) and the government disagrees? Could the High Court actually force the government to divert funding to the Squealers?

Yes it could.

MatrixTransform
August 7, 2023 10:22 pm

tip for sancho, KD and JC ….

youse should deffo quote my exact words when referring to things I’ve said in the past

it’s not like yr all stuck in some sort of weird time-loop are ya?

you know, where you think that wanking on and on is the only way to break out of the time loop?

but also where the more youse wank, the nearer and nearer the past and future converge

unfortunately leaving youse stuck in the more-or-less permanent ‘now’

… where you’re just nothing but eternal wankers

??

think about it

and get yr hand off each other’s cocks

JC
JC
August 7, 2023 10:23 pm

What happens in your example if the Squeal makes a representation (as you called it) and the government disagrees? Could the High Court actually force the government to divert funding to the Squealers?

Yes it could.

Really?

cohenite
August 7, 2023 10:24 pm

Now, since romance is in the air, previously my 2 favourite movie proposal scenes were the final one in P&P 2005 and the glorious, earthy scene in 1923 between Spencer and Alex but this one from the 2011 Jane Eyre gives them a run for their money.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 7, 2023 10:26 pm
cohenite
August 7, 2023 10:26 pm

Really?

Really truly; as certainly as I sit here musing about chinos and cheroots. We live in bizarro world.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 7, 2023 10:30 pm

Here’s a rather silly synopsis of the main story of Fey Von Hassell as a supplement to the Valkyrie movie made re Von Stauffenberg. I was looking to see if anyone had made a film yet of Fey’s story; it seems not.

I found this book in a yellowed paperback copy in the back of a shelf of books left long ago by travellers in the highlands of Malaysia. Glad I found it and read it. I was searching for something to replace the book that I had left behind by mistake in the airport hotel in Kuala Lumpur.

JC
JC
August 7, 2023 10:30 pm

I have to say, the funniest comment this evening was

Treblinka- Down Under.

JC
JC
August 7, 2023 10:33 pm

I was looking to see if anyone had made a film yet of Fey’s story; it seems not.

“Inglorious Basterds” was totally based on that book, Liz. Brad Pitt was Von Hassell’s lover. Watch it, it’s pretty good.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 7, 2023 10:37 pm

As bizarre as it sounds, it seems as if Dumgeld was convinced that the Sofronoff enquiry would not only vindicate him personally, but also sweep away hundreds of years of criminal law tradition, including the presumption of innocence, the right to cross examination of an accuser, and the disclosure of all evidence by the prosecution.
The point is, his views weren’t formed in a vacuum. Somebody has led him to believe he wasn’t committing career seppuku. On the contrary, he would be immortalised for being the catalyst for this revolution in the law.
We have to ask what role magic mushrooms had to play in all this.

MatrixTransform
August 7, 2023 10:38 pm

Treblinka- Down Under

well, I just did search.

seems that nobody actually said those words

… maybe they were in yr head JC ?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 7, 2023 10:40 pm
MatrixTransform
August 7, 2023 10:41 pm

it’s pretty funny in a kind of perverse wank-world kind of way

there’s the things people actually said … and then there’s there’s shit in JC’s head

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 7, 2023 10:43 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHlPuIzTr1Y

THAT interview between Andrew Bold and Keith Windschuttle….

JC
JC
August 7, 2023 10:44 pm

Sorry Sanchez.

I misquoted. It was Auschwitz Down Under.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 7, 2023 10:46 pm

Dot.
Another thing about da Voice Newspoll.
It was taken over six weeks from mid May to end July, so some responses are nearly two months old.
The trend in polling has been relentlessly downwards for Yessers, and I would suggest a snap poll taken today would be even worser for the Yessers.
It has totally tanked in Victoria, from mid 50’s Yes, to 44%.
I think this is the opportunity for the ever increasing ranks of the disgruntled to take a whack at Hunchback (think Comm Games cancellation).
I hear today the idea floated that Hunchback could direct public servants to campaign for da Voice.
That’ll work a treat.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 7, 2023 10:48 pm

JC

Aug 7, 2023 10:44 PM

Sorry Sanchez.

I misquoted. It was Auschwitz Down Under.

Auschwitz, Auschwitz, Auschwitz!
Oi, Oi, Oi!

MatrixTransform
August 7, 2023 10:51 pm

I misquoted

truth is Pinocchio , you just make shit up

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 7, 2023 11:00 pm

JC

Aug 7, 2023 10:44 PM

Sorry Sanchez.

I misquoted. It was Auschwitz Down Under.

No problems.
It’s not like you’re a DPP or anything.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 7, 2023 11:02 pm

lol Cohenite, nothing more romantic than being told you’re poor and ugly but he’ll marry you anyway and into his arms she falls. Jane Eyre not my fave romantic novel. Give me Lizzy Bennet any day for a robust and assertive heroine.

This is a good spat around a proposal. The sexual tension in it is very high. That’s what makes it so great when she finally accepts him .. later, after all is explained.

Indolent
Indolent
August 7, 2023 11:07 pm
Indolent
Indolent
August 7, 2023 11:09 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 7, 2023 11:11 pm

Whereas this is probably more realistic as to what happened, but it doesn’t have the same physicality in the chemistry between the two. No close heavy breathing.

Anyway, all well that ends well in Pride and Prejudice. Much loved by generations of women. And some men.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 7, 2023 11:17 pm

Are tasselled loafers categorised as proper shoes?

Not outside Italy and certain, predominantly ethnic, licensed venues.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 7, 2023 11:21 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjowFiFa6p0

I saw Billy Connolly do this, in Perth ,years ago. Some drunk barged in, halfway though, and tried to heckle Billy Connolly.

His arze was sawn up, into very small pieces, and delivered to the audience….never try to heckle Billy Connoly…..

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 7, 2023 11:28 pm

For the record my daily footwear is a pair of black RMs which initially saw service with an oft worn charcoal suit but now set off black tracksuit pants. Not sure I would bother with the RMs again, the prices have gone a bit silly since I got these. One or two re-soles should see me out. Big fan of Uniqulo thermal gear over winter too.

JC
JC
August 7, 2023 11:31 pm

Bear

But at least the Cuban heels haven’t worn out..

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 7, 2023 11:33 pm

Will fit right in if I ever make it to Diggers and Dealers too.

JC
JC
August 7, 2023 11:35 pm

Lol

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 7, 2023 11:39 pm

Mutt of the week…
To anyone concerned about the price of medical procedures on animals, yes, that’s the cost of getting out the gas and scalpels, sans the state underwriting huge slabs off the bill like they do for human medicine. I’ll also remind youse that vets have one of the flattest wage growth curves over any career, so if you’ve got an old hand doing the work, appreciate it.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 7, 2023 11:41 pm

Heels are generally fine. I spend too much time on hard surfaces for leather soles. The first port of call is always a bootmaker after a couple of weeks to rough up the sole a bit.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 8, 2023 12:14 am

Wendyball comment-
odd how the commentators wanted to get Mary Fowler an OAM for middling midfield stuff. Yep, it’s a team game… but Carpenter in particular did shedloads more work. Is it cos young Fowler has already caught the sponsors’ eyes?

Alamak!
August 8, 2023 12:49 am

Wally Dalí> Watched the game … it was really quite c.r.a.p football tho good result for the aussies. Japan are miles above these two teams in attacking ability, speed and skills.

Beats me why so many teams in the WWC keep hoofing the ball into the goal mouth when there are no players around and the few that can run fast enough to make it to the goal can’t head the ball anyway.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 8, 2023 3:17 am

Mediterranean cruising

On board the ship Viking Sky for three weeks. A smaller cruise liner with a focus on culture and education – one of the maxims is “no casinos, no kids”. Everything is very Scandinavian – blonde woods; modern furnishings, clean lines etc. So far so good.

Went to the Salvadore Dali museum in Figueres, Spain, on an outing in our first port of Palomas. It’s an old theatre the man himself – who lived here originally and in his final years – spent years making into an icon to how own works and selected bits of his life. Now surrounded of course by shops featuring melting clocks and so on. The building has a row of giant eggs along the top of one outside wall.

The museum features several hundred works of Dali, most of them confirming a lot of his stuff was merely odd, but occasionally absolutely brilliant. The centrepiece is a 1940s roaster called “Rainy Taxi” with three mannequins inside, all in an advanced stage of decomposition. It rains periodically inside the car.

The Museum has Atomic Leda, one of my favourites, and a giant version of The Persistence of Memory, his most famous work.

Second port was a wipeout – winds were too strong to get in to Montepellier. This is not unusual – it’s called the mistral and blows 100 days a year. The temperatures have dropped as well, only to high 20’s for a few days now. So on to Marseille, and for me anyway they can keep it. Seemed congested, rubbishy, full of modern buildings and a lot of graffiti. The main cathedral was interesting looking though.

I did an outing to the old port, but it was all tourist trap shops. Took a walk to the old city hall. In WWII when the Nazis invaded they hung swastika banners from the roof. One of the locals took a shot at a German Army officer that afternoon and killed him. So, in reprisal the Nazis dynamited the old buildings on either side of the city hall – hence the modern boring stuff built on the old foundations.

Mrs TE on her first day onboard and in the first port did a trip to Tosser de Mar. The ground is so rocky there, they bury the dead above ground. Was a gorgeous historic town with the inevitable castle on top of the hill. She also did a cruise onboard a 1915 vintage boat, travelling along the Costa Brava and had a swim in the Mediterranean. Reported it as very salty and floating was easy. The water is clear and beautiful blue.

While I did the city tour of Marseilles Mrs TE did something interesting and more picturesque, going to Cassis, an old fishing village, and a boat cruise to Calanques National Park – towering limestone cliffs with protected sealife and birdlife. There was a “petite train” down to the village.

Tomorrow Monte Carlo.

Tom
Tom
August 8, 2023 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
August 8, 2023 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
August 8, 2023 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
August 8, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
August 8, 2023 4:05 am
Johnny Rotten
August 8, 2023 4:15 am

Thanks once again Tom.

Rosie
Rosie
August 8, 2023 5:45 am

It’s funny that you were told the buildings on either side of the town hall were dynamited in reprisal for the killing of a German officer TE.
Maybe that was part of the story but the entire
1st arrondissiment was dynamited by the Germans in world war two to rid Marseilles of people the Germans considers scum.
Above that the older town was spared, including the area around the old greek agora, and is well worth a walking tour, the museum of Marseille was fanatic especially the Roman boats discovered in the original harbour as well as the ancient monastery on the other side of the Port and Notre Dame de la garde up on the hill.
And the old fort and resistance museum.
I never got out to the island, weather too rough.

the Marseille roundup

Dot
Dot
August 8, 2023 6:36 am

I hear today the idea floated that Hunchback could direct public servants to campaign for da Voice.

Councils everywhere tried that crap in 2013…it was so on the nose it got “pocket vetoed” by Rudd, King and eventually Abbott.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 8, 2023 7:00 am

The Yes campaign expects a surge in support from churches

So the Left, which has been persecuting churches, now wants churchgoers to vote for them? Sheesh.

MLK jr was a Baptist pastor, they certainly seem to’ve forgotten that and forgotten his I have a dream speech.

132andBush
132andBush
August 8, 2023 7:06 am

I hear today the idea floated that Hunchback could direct public servants to campaign for da Voice.

Members of Vicpol have been told they are “expected” to vote for the voice.

Johnny Rotten
August 8, 2023 7:15 am

The universe is a big place, perhaps the biggest.

– Kurt Vonnegut

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 7:25 am

I enjoyed the Rochester proposal, cohenite. Going to check it out to be sure, but I think it’s Brontë’s book word for word. At least portions of it anyway, perhaps taken from different scenes. All the sisters’ works sit on my bookshelf.

She thinks he’s attracted to Ingram (and no doubt he is) along with the rest of their glittering social set, but she has seeped into his heart. She’s the real deal and he knows it. Unfortunately, desperate people are tempted to take shortcuts, and he is very desperate.

Wasikowska makes a perfect Jane. From memory they fiddled around with and compressed the story of the missionaries -their life and motives and family tensions – which was an interesting sub-plot, but very subordinate to the main story.

Fassbender made a good Rochester, but I always see him as Orson Welles.

I’ll have to read and watch it again.

Crossie
Crossie
August 8, 2023 7:31 am

132andBush
Aug 8, 2023 7:06 AM
I hear today the idea floated that Hunchback could direct public servants to campaign for da Voice.

Members of Vicpol have been told they are “expected” to vote for the voice.

And how are they going to enforce that? Make all police officers do postal votes and hand them in at the office for verification?

bons
bons
August 8, 2023 7:34 am

Were Knight and Broelman supporting the screech?

Crossie
Crossie
August 8, 2023 7:34 am

Fassbender made a good Rochester, but I always see him as Orson Welles.

Calli, for me it’s George C. Scott with Susannah York as Jane.

bons
bons
August 8, 2023 7:39 am

$400 for shoes that you can wear on the beach or fishing?
What possible purpose do they serve?

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 8, 2023 7:39 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Aug 7, 2023 10:12 PM
I’ve just been dipping again into Fey Von Hassell’s autobiography of being a ‘kinship prisoner’ of the Nazis. This would make a hugely interesting movie, as it’s got everything.

Already been done, and has been run at least twice by SBS, in the Sunday afternoon “Nazi stories” slot around dinnertime.

JC
JC
August 8, 2023 7:40 am

God must have really had it on for her.

TEXAS
‘Help me, Jesus!’: Snake falls out of sky, lands on woman, then both attacked by a hawk

https://www.click2houston.com/news/texas/2023/08/04/snake-falls-out-of-sky-and-lands-on-woman-both-attacked-by-a-hawk/

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 7:43 am

The Yes campaign expects a surge in support from churches

And they might just get it. There’s a lot of fuzzy thinking out there, across all denominations.

Kick the church, and by extension individual Christians, and many will take onboard unwarranted guilt. Remember, they desperately want the lives of aborigines in the bush to be better – why give their time and money and resources if they didn’t? A simple tick at the ballot box is nothing compared to that.

I have a different, more pragmatic view, laced with a shed load of cynicism about our “leaders”. Also, thanks to sites like this, I’m better informed on the legal ramifications of Constitutional change. It may be that I’m in the minority.

bons
bons
August 8, 2023 7:43 am

can’t wear sheesh

cohenite
August 8, 2023 7:45 am

Mark Knight reveals himself as a mush minded yes campaigner.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 7:48 am

Crossie

Aug 8, 2023 7:31 AM

132andBush
Aug 8, 2023 7:06 AM
I hear today the idea floated that Hunchback could direct public servants to campaign for da Voice.
……
Members of Vicpol have been told they are “expected” to vote for the voice.
…….
And how are they going to enforce that? Make all police officers do postal votes and hand them in at the office for verification?

It’s not really about voting.
It’s about suppressing No campaignimg by public servants.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 8, 2023 7:49 am

That’s the story of the meanderings of the “connected” group.

Which included Bonhoeffer, until he was taken away to be executed.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 8, 2023 7:51 am

The cops reckon the poisoning was caused by Death Cap mushrooms.
They’re common enough but look greeny yellow on top and smell like amonia.
We were told as kids they were toadstools and never thought to pick them. I blame these stupid cooking shows that use every half dodgy fungi in cooking instead of a good pink mushie.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 7:51 am

Bonhoeffer was a flamer.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 7:58 am

We were told as kids they were toadstools and never thought to pick them. I blame these stupid cooking shows that use every half dodgy fungi in cooking instead of a good pink mushie.

Yes, we knew by looking at the gills. Pink or brown, good.
All other colours, maybe not, and nothing from under trees.
But, yes, we have moved to using all sorts of exotic mushrooms and “foraging” has become a thing. If you are going to stray outside standard field mushrooms, you better take your botany book.

Dot
Dot
August 8, 2023 7:59 am

‘Help me, Jesus!’

“Not today, my child. Please go back to Commiefornia.”

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 8, 2023 7:59 am

Were Knight and Broelman supporting the screech?

Yesterday Knight’s cartoon depicted Trump’s supporters as being the ravening redneck retards the US MSM has been painting them after the J6 riots (is it still a riot, or have they gone back to calling it an insurrection?)

I think he sometimes lacks depth of perception and cannot see that what is in the MSM news is actually painted prop wheeled in front of something real to block it from view.

lotocoti
lotocoti
August 8, 2023 8:00 am

Mark Knight reveals himself as a mush minded yes campaigner.

Nice trumps good in the Age of Indulgence.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 8:02 am

Death cap mushie has white gills.
When we picked them as kids, anything white or yellow … bzzzt.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 8, 2023 8:02 am

Summer is the time of the year for festivals!

52 Injured As Migrants Clash At Eritrean Cultural Festival In Sweden (7 Aug)

Swedish police are preparing for more civil unrest at an Eritrean cultural festival being held in Stockholm after more than 50 people were injured and dozens detained in violent scenes on Thursday.

Chaos ensued at the festival held in the Järvafältet in Stockholm as protesters stormed the festival and clashed with the event’s organizers, who they accuse of being a propaganda outlet for the Eritrean government.

Around 1,000 demonstrators stormed through police barriers and began tearing down festival tents, torching vehicles, and attacking organizers with wooden sticks.

Eight people were hospitalized with serious injuries, while one person was arrested on suspicion of arson, local media reported.

Ain’t culture grand? Maybe they could have a Swedish festival in Eritrea too. Ikea could feature.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 8, 2023 8:03 am

Sancho Panzer
Aug 8, 2023 7:58 AM
We were told as kids they were toadstools and never thought to pick them. I blame these stupid cooking shows that use every half dodgy fungi in cooking instead of a good pink mushie.

Yes, we knew by looking at the gills. Pink or brown, good.
All other colours, maybe not, and nothing from under trees.
But, yes, we have moved to using all sorts of exotic mushrooms and “foraging” has become a thing. If you are going to stray outside standard field mushrooms, you better take your botany book.

Many years ago, the then president of the ACT mushroom fanciers society died after eating some death cap mushrooms he had collected.

The local council actually had regular warning campaigns each spring, warning of their dangers.

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 8:04 am

Sorry. I said it was Broelman yesterday with the TDS, which he probably has, but didn’t draw.

As for Knight, it’s a spin on The Voice TV show. Clever, but only emphasises the shallowness of the argument for “Yes”. Vote the affirmative – it’s the cool thing to do.

As convincing as Whitlam’s “It’s Time” campaign. I only hope it isn’t as successful.

Pogria
Pogria
August 8, 2023 8:07 am

Director William Friedkin has died. He gave us The French Connection and The Exorcist.

When The Exorcist came out, my friends and I in high school were desperately trying to pass our fourteen year old selves off as eighteen so we could get into see the film. No amount of make-up fooled the Cinema people. Pubs on the other hand…

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 8, 2023 8:09 am

The yellow stainers were harder to spot.
They looked OK without picking but once you have a look the gills are slightly grey and they stain yellow when you press the skin. Smell like ammonia as well.

Crossie
Crossie
August 8, 2023 8:10 am

It’s not really about voting.
It’s about suppressing No campaignimg by public servants.

Sancho, this is equivalent to the Soviets who did not tolerate any independent thinking from their proletariat. Also not surprising that this happens in Victoria, our Soviet republic.

Rosie
Rosie
August 8, 2023 8:11 am

Inner city progressives don’t go to church.
My PP won’t be giving political homilies.
Maybe some will, we’ll see what kind of reaction they get.

Rosie
Rosie
August 8, 2023 8:14 am

I’m confused about how you share a meal with four people, they get sick but you don’t.

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 8:16 am

Once a Trot always a Trot. He won’t give in, even if it’s a resounding “no”. He’ll just keep plugging away, like Terminator.

And shaming his fellow Australians before his international audience will be part of the repertoire. Also, with wall to wall Labor state governments, racist legislation can be enacted on a state by state level. Fortunately it can be repealed, but at tremendous cost.

Albow’s “legacy” was always going to be self-serving ruination and division. He has learned well from his grotesque totalitarian idols.

duncanm
duncanm
August 8, 2023 8:16 am

The First Nations body makes a representation on say some element of spending in the health sector(Medicare) that is currently being introduced into parliament as legislation. The Scream’s body says they don’t like the proposal because it doesn’t contain anywhere near enough to satisfy the “unmet needs” of the aboriginals.

The governing majority refuses to accept the representation.
What can happens then?

Neil Brown in the Speccie has a much more plausible (and subtle) projection on how the Voice will work.

Medicare spending bill comes forth for debate. Voice pipes up and says ‘we’d like input on that’. There is no time limit on this input, but it must be considered.
Thus the voice holds the bill hostage until its demands are met behind closed doors and the bill is modified to its desires.

Crossie
Crossie
August 8, 2023 8:18 am

As convincing as Whitlam’s “It’s Time” campaign. I only hope it isn’t as successful.

I have commented to family that John Farnham’s You’re The Voice seems a perfect song for Yes campaign yet it is not being used, at least not officially. Is it the writers or Farnham who said No?

Crossie
Crossie
August 8, 2023 8:22 am

Rosie
Aug 8, 2023 8:11 AM
Inner city progressives don’t go to church.
My PP won’t be giving political homilies.
Maybe some will, we’ll see what kind of reaction they get.

Our parish has a new young priest who has already made some “green” remarks so I am bracing for the worst. This is sad as the previous priest was solidly non-pc.

Cassie of Sydney
August 8, 2023 8:24 am

I’m confused about how you share a meal with four people, they get sick but you don’t.”

Indeed, to cite Hercule Poiret, my little grey cells are telling me me that something is not quite right.

Vicki
Vicki
August 8, 2023 8:26 am

How interesting that there is finally recognition in the media that the Ulu?u Statement tells you everything about the intentions of the Aboriginal activists.

Yet a letter I wrote months ago to the Oz on precisely this matter was rejected. It was a surprise (to me) that the Oz editorial policy is pro The Voice. It explains a lot, however.

For a very long time I would average a letter published every week or so, but after a series of letters during the pandemic which were anti vaccine, I seem to have been “ cancelled”. Have had one or two published since – but IMO the editorial staff have changed – or the paper’s policy changed. Certainly, the Voice policy & done others indicate a movement to the dark (Woke) side.

duncanm
duncanm
August 8, 2023 8:27 am

Indolent
Aug 7, 2023 11:07 PM
Did Obama’s chef drown in three feet of water?

don’t forget that the bloke was a ‘trained swimmer’ and into fitness.

Vicki
Vicki
August 8, 2023 8:28 am

From the uncorrected mistakes in my previous post – it is probably my poor grammar that is to blame !

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 8, 2023 8:29 am

When it comes to mushrooms -when we were young our parents took us mushrooming around the undulations at the base of Mt Chincogan – the rule was to cook the mushrooms a clove of garlic had to be used – if it remained white the mushrooms were fine to eat (absolutely scrumptious) and if the garlic clove turned black – toss the lot.

We were never ill and the taste of field mushrooms is just so delicious – I rarely get that same taste from those I cook today –

Recently an elderly Italian friend had been mushrooming out at a friend’s farm and gave us pine mushrooms ooooh yum what a delight they are.

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 8:30 am

I’m confused about how you share a meal with four people, they get sick but you don’t.

Assuming the cook is innocent, she’s young and ate fewer mushrooms while the others had a larger serve. If it was a mixed plate, it’s possible the deadlier ones were only on a couple of serves. Also, being the host, her guests took theirs first and maybe left only a little.

The children didn’t have any because they don’t like them.

If she deliberately poisoned her family, she could easily have set up that exact scenario, serving herself last.

Now to read Christie’s “Sad Cypress” again. Ingenious, and the criminal undone by a rose!

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 8:32 am

Top Ender…make sure you do the F1 loop in Monte. The Beloved loved it – he had front seat in the mini-van and was leaning into the corners! 😀

Diogenes
Diogenes
August 8, 2023 8:33 am

I’m confused about how you share a meal with four people, they get sick but you don’t.”

Could happen to me. Happy to cook mushies for others, but will cook a mushroom less version for myself.

Roger
Roger
August 8, 2023 8:34 am

Executives at Australia’s big four banks are so obtuse that to label them second raters would be generous.

Undeterred by the revelations of their bastardry at the RC and seemingly oblivious to the fallout from the Nigel Farage affair, the banks, spurred on by feminist activists, are proceeding with plans to debank male customers they determine to be “financial abusers” of their partners.

How will they make such a determination?

On the complaint of a female customer.

Vicki
Vicki
August 8, 2023 8:37 am

Re mushroom collecting:

My sister & I always went out collecting my mushies in the paddocks after heavy rain on our farm when we were kids. There were very few “toadies” & the mushrooms were the size of bread & butter plates. It was such a treat & I can still recall the fun of the collection.

Baba
Baba
August 8, 2023 8:38 am

The woman who collected and cooked the mushrooms didn’t eat them. Is that right?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 8:38 am

Assuming the cook is innocent, she’s young and ate fewer mushrooms while the others had a larger serve. If it was a mixed plate, it’s possible the deadlier ones were only on a couple of serves. Also, being the host, her guests took theirs first and maybe left only a little.

Three dead, one hanging on with destroyed liver but a fifth with zero ill effects?
That isn’t explained by portion size.
Not saying guilty, it just requires explanation.

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 8:42 am

I had a delicious meal of cepes in France. They were actually nicer than the pan fried magret perched on top. And chantarelles…mmmmm. One of the best parts of travel.

I think there was a Midsommer Murders where the weapon of choice was the Destroying Angel.

No one does Murder Most Horrid like the British.

Vicki
Vicki
August 8, 2023 8:42 am

These days people seem comfortable able eating what we just avoided as toadstools. Could be the result of the TV cooking shows (especially the international ones) – or just stupidity. Every few years you hear about fatalities.

Roger
Roger
August 8, 2023 8:42 am

The Yes campaign expects a surge in support from churches

And they might just get it. There’s a lot of fuzzy thinking out there, across all denominations.

The Redbridge poll reported c. 75% of Protestants in the No camp.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 8:42 am

Bonhoeffer was a flamer.

This is the sort of quality input that has been missing lately. This blog is off the pace.

Crossie
Crossie
August 8, 2023 8:43 am

Undeterred by the revelations of their bastardry at the RC and seemingly oblivious to the fallout from the Nigel Farage affair, the banks, spurred on by feminist activists, are proceeding with plans to debank male customers they determine to be “financial abusers” of their partners.
How will they make such a determination?
On the complaint of a female customer.

They call this social justice to differentiate it from real justice. Social justice is merely revenge by another name. It’s really handy that you don’t have to have proof to punish those you despise.

Cassie of Sydney
August 8, 2023 8:44 am

“Three dead, one hanging on with destroyed liver but a fifth with zero ill effects?
That isn’t explained by portion size.
Not saying guilty, it just requires explanation.”

Indeed.

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 8:46 am

That isn’t explained by portion size.

Why not? I mentioned a “mixed plate”. Was it? It’s quite feasible to have the few deadly ones distributed unevenly, also that the host takes the last bit (if there’s any left). I always do.

If motive is established, say money, then that will put a different complexion on it. I don’t want to see her Chamberlained.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 8:46 am

H B Bear

Aug 8, 2023 8:42 AM

Bonhoeffer was a flamer.

This is the sort of quality input that has been missing lately. This blog is off the pace.

That would be because it is full of shit.
Fortunately we have a sure-fire method to evacuate the bowels.

Rosie
Rosie
August 8, 2023 8:48 am

Its biochemistry has been researched intensively for decades, and 30 grams (1.1 ounces), or half a cap, of this mushroom is estimated to be enough to kill a human. On average, one person dies a year in North America from death cap ingestion.

Quote is not from the link

especially when it takes only half a death cap to kill you

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 8:49 am

That would be because it is full of shit.

Fuller than a Hay Plains truckstop carpark.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxp6OG8izQg

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 8:50 am

Poor Dad once ate a “field” mushroom mixed in with a whole lot of other wild caught goodies. All the guys cooked them over the campfire. This was the late 40’s and the drug of choice was a rollie of tobacco.

Dad went on a “trip” and was really sick. Never ate the things again. He still picks them out!

Roger
Roger
August 8, 2023 8:50 am

It’s really handy that you don’t have to have proof to punish those you despise.

This is not going to end well for the banks or any CEO who signs off on it.

Rosie
Rosie
August 8, 2023 8:51 am

I think it’s perfectly okay to have suspicions, in the circumstances.
No-one is doing any Chamberlaining here.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 8:52 am

calli

Aug 8, 2023 8:46 AM

That isn’t explained by portion size.

Why not? I mentioned a “mixed plate”. Was it? It’s quite feasible to have the few deadly ones distributed unevenly, also that the host takes the last bit (if there’s any left). I always do

We don’t know.
You did say “maybe only a couple of portions”.
Actually there were four portions which had a devastating, unsurvivable dose and one which didn’t have any effect whatsoever.
I repeat.
That is not explained by portion size.
If the host ate anything of it, it was almost certainly uncontaminated.
How does that happen?
I suggested it requires further rigorous investigation.
That is not “doing a Chamberlain”.

JC
JC
August 8, 2023 8:53 am

Bonhoeffer was a flamer.

This is the sort of quality input that has been missing lately. This blog is off the pace.

I kinda miss the flamer accusations.

bons
bons
August 8, 2023 8:53 am

I just saw a claim that Antifa has announced that they are going to shut down the Sturgis motorcycle meet.
It is obviously nonsense, but wouldn’t it be fun to watch?
The road from Portland to SD would be well decorated.

Rosie
Rosie
August 8, 2023 8:54 am

We don’t even know how they were served.

Vicki
Vicki
August 8, 2023 8:55 am

Beautiful morning here – sunny & blue sky.

But a sad day for us. We have to euthanise an aged cow today. She has lost a lot of weight over the past few weeks, & is drooling & seemingly unable to digest her food. Vet came a week ago & administered anti inflammatory & antiobiotic. But no improvement. Probably a growth in the digestive tract although vet could not see anything in tract that was examinable.

Our remaining herd (commercial ones gone) are stud animals that are permanent residents, so we are attached to all of them. Vet has to travel an hour to get here so young neighbour with a very high powered rifle will shoot her & another neighbour with a backhoe will bury her.

I will make myself absent & husband will organise. This cow is the “head cow” who has always been grouchy. But as a result of an earlier foot injury has become happy for me to handle her at close quarters & even pat her. So it is hard to see her to be shot. But the right thing to do.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 8:55 am

A annual trip to Balingup in the 180B is the highlight for WA mushroom fanciers (no pun intended). Our 9D hockey matches used to get interrupted by mushroom collectors. And they still expect me to contribute to the rifle range air conditioning fund.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 8:55 am

I kinda miss the flamer accusations.

They were prolific, if not always accurate.

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 8:58 am

No-one is doing any Chamberlaining here.

No. But I did get a little whiff of it in the press coverage this morning, just like the early hours after that poor father tried to rescue his boys in Queensland.

My cross-hairs are well and truly trained on reporters and reportettes, not commenters here.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 8:59 am

Rosie

Aug 8, 2023 8:54 AM

We don’t even know how they were served.

Correct.
In a salad would be my best alibi.
I could call hundreds of witnesses to my long history of devout salad-dodging.
If it was in a, say, a pasta sauce … hmmm.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 9:00 am

It’s really handy that you don’t have to have proof to punish those you despise.

Sitting as judge and jury is a heavy responsibility. One societal function that I’m happy to leave to the State. I only know one judge and even lunch with her has me on my best behaviour.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 9:02 am

They were prolific, if not always accurate.

I had my doubts.

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 9:02 am

Note to self…never challenge Sancho.

He’ll don the little black fabric square and sentence me to a day of interrogation and speculation. 😀

With extra bolding!

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 9:05 am

Extra bolding never hurts. With buttons comes great responsibility.

Indolent
Indolent
August 8, 2023 9:07 am
Roger
Roger
August 8, 2023 9:11 am

Environmentalism: where democracy goes to die

I thought that was Canberra, but have it your way.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 9:13 am

Testink.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 9:13 am

Mavis has a breathless attack of TDS in today’s Paywallian. Somebody needs to do a welfare check.

JC
JC
August 8, 2023 9:17 am

Sancho Panzer
Aug 8, 2023 8:55 AM
I kinda miss the flamer accusations.

They were prolific, if not always accurate.

Eddles reckoned Napoleon was a flamer.

duncanm
duncanm
August 8, 2023 9:20 am

Sofronoff enquiry report is out: https://www.justice.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/2263980/ACT-Board-of-Inquiry-Criminal-Justice-System-Final-Report-31-July-2023.pdf

Fascinating read. Allegations of perjury, withholding evidence, etc.

WolfmanOz
WolfmanOz
August 8, 2023 9:25 am

Dover – re Safari now accessing the blog is now as expected ie just a few seconds plus navigating through the posts and comments is fast.

Outstanding work.

As for upticks . . . I’m pretty neutral . . . but it does give some an avenue to express their like/approval of a comment/rant.

Dot
Dot
August 8, 2023 9:33 am

The most common trigger for autism is childhood vaccinations. Here’s how vaccines cause autism

No. Why not a rise well before the last 20-30 years? Vaccines were prevalent since the 1950s. If someone has a theory about the maximum amount of vaccines the body can take, they should be able to prove multiple infections also cause autism, right?

It is correlated with the increasing age of mothers since the 1970s and 1980s (increasing women’s LFPR). Autism “didn’t exist” in the “bad old days” when avuncular men married barely legal women and it was seen as normal. Now of course, it existed but it was rare. There wasn’t an increase like we’ve seen now until the 1990s.

Age of the mother is a risk, it isn’t necessarily causal. It is laughable that men are fertile almost until they drop dead but women have a fertility expiration date….blame old sperm! This is just another example of science by “politeness” and “social construct”. Fertility is a function of nature. Get over it. Sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive. Sperm have a competition for fitness, eggs wait there like berries.

We need to stop lying about this as geriatric pregnancy isn’t a cakewalk for the mother either.

If autism is claimed to be mostly from the preponderance of vaccinations (and perhaps there is an epigenetic effect) then it needs to be explained why autism increased, but it is still objectively rare to uncommon.

No flubbing by calling everyone “on the spectrum” or “neurodivergent”.

Then I realise I am arguing with the Daily Evulsion.

Buy me a coffee, bro.

Anyway here is a possible “cure” for some kinds of autism with minimal side effects that point to a genetic or epigenetic cause.

https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/42424/20230216/epilepsy-drug-lamotrigine-shows-promising-results-switching-symptoms-autism-spectrum.htm

Rosie
Rosie
August 8, 2023 9:36 am

Sofronoff thinks Drumgold defamed Reynolds in the way he framed his questions (with the imputed purpose of undermining her testimony to influence the jury?)
Well worth reading that part of the report (and the steps taken to get lpp over the Moller report.) Not to mention why Drumgold thought it was okay for Drumgold to read the counselling notes.

Rosie
Rosie
August 8, 2023 9:38 am

It makes you wonder too, how it is that Drumgold was made DPP in the first place.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 8, 2023 9:40 am

Mr Sofronoff, who led the inquiry, handed his findings to the ACT government a week ago, which originally planned to release the report to the public about a month after receiving it.*

* On the weekend.
Of a public holiday
Into a stream
Where it could join its fellow reports in the great Sargasso swamp of caberaaaaah

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 8, 2023 9:40 am

ACT chief minister says early release of report into Bruce Lehrmann’s prosecution may have breached law

My in-house counsel informs me that:

Sofronoff is not a bunny given to casual mistakes of practice;

The Chief Minister is relying on a very narrow and simplistic interpretation of s.17 of the Inquiries Act; and

There is a well-established government practice of releasing documents under embargo that says they are not ‘published’ by that action.

Looks like the ACT Parish Council is trying to keep the option of throwing Dumbkopf discreetly under the bus – while avoiding the need for introspection into who appointed him, the strength of the prosecution case, or whether Reynolds behaviour in supporting Our Brinny behaviour warranted an instant compensatory mega-payola.

A suspicious mind might think some sort of political ambush has gone wrong.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 8, 2023 9:41 am

Oh, and the hamsters are still running their little hearts out.

Cassie of Sydney
August 8, 2023 9:44 am

One of the reasons why I still like to read the Oz and why I subscribe…..Geoff Chambers this morning, and it confirms what I wrote yesterday about the ACT government…

It’s Barr humbug in a Territory of bull and bluster
GEOFF CHAMBERS

ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr, the most radical left-wing leader in the country who blames everyone else for his mistakes, should have no authority over a criminal justice system.

Canberra is a town where bikies thrive, pitbulls roam, meth heads hoon and hard drugs are legalised, while the Greens-Labor government bans gas appliances, locks up cats, installs 40km/h speed cameras, forcibly seizes a Catholic-owned hospital, considers abolishing wood fires and imposes massive rate hikes during a cost-of-living crisis.

Barr’s attack on the respected and independent legal veteran his own government appointed to lead the inquiry into Shane Drumgold’s farcical prosecution of Bruce Lehrmann, Walter Sofronoff KC, revealed the true character of a leader who shuns accountability.

Safe in his Canberra fiefdom and confident the ACT political system and his army of retired public servants and left-wing activists will return his government at next year’s election, Barr is full of bluster.

Standing alongside him on Monday, ACT Attorney-General and Greens leader Shane Rattenbury was across the detail as he announced the government was accepting all Sofronoff recommendations. Rattenbury’s calm and methodical demeanour contrasted with Barr’s aggressive and attacking tone.

In 2018, Barr, who unsurprisingly despises media outlets who criticise his government or hold him to account declared he hated journalists and was “over” the mainstream media.

He had recently cancelled his subscription to Canberra’s daily newspaper, The Canberra Times, because the publication was too “conservative”.

“I hate journalists. I am over dealing with mainstream media as a form of communication with the people of Canberra. What passes for a daily newspaper in this city is a joke. And it will be only a matter of years before it closes down,” Barr, exposing his arrogance and lust for power, said in a leaked recording.

In his left-wing bubble paradise, where decriminalising hard drugs is OK, few publications outside The Saturday Paper and Crikey would pass muster.

While he showed glimpses of seriousness on Monday, he heaped criticism on the media and Sofronoff for spoiling his plans to release the findings of the inquiry at a time suitable to him. “I am reminded of the film Muriel’s Wedding and when Bill Heslop says Deirdre Chambers, what a coincidence, what a coincidence,” Barr said in response to how The Australian obtained the Sofronoff report.

After almost 22 years in government, the Labor-Greens cabal is likely to remain unless the Liberals and independents, potentially led by the popular David Pocock, form an alliance to blast them out of power.”

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 8, 2023 9:44 am

Oh no!!!

No vote overtakes yes in all states except Victoria, Guardian Essential poll shows
‘Hard no’ opposition to the Indigenous voice rose in July but young people, women remain strong supporters

Victorians – why are they so weird?

The Essential poll of 1,150 voters released on Tuesday found that 47% did not approve of the voice, with 43% in favour and the remaining 10% unsure. That represents a reversal of July’s results, which found yes narrowly ahead by the same margin.

In a further concerning sign for the yes campaign, opponents outnumbered supporters in all states except Victoria, putting the requirement for a majority of states in addition to a nationwide majority out of reach without a swing in sentiment.

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On a state-by-state basis, no was ahead of yes in: Queensland, 51% to 40%; Western Australia, 48% to 39%; New South Wales, 47% to 41%; and South Australia 48% to 45%. In Victoria, yes was narrowly ahead 47% to 46%.

Tasmania was polled and will count to the requirement of a double majority for a referendum to succeed, but smaller sample sizes make results there less reliable and they are not regularly reported separately.

Essential found that a higher proportion of respondents described themselves as “hard no” compared with “hard yes”, with 38% to 31%. There were fewer “soft noes” (9%) than “soft yeses” (12%).

Imagine being so shit, that after Morriswine/lockdowns and a decade of Libs this is where you are at with the public.

The Essential poll found less than one-third (32%) of respondents believed Australia was heading in the right direction, with 48% saying it was on track and another 20% unsure.

In a concerning sign for the Albanese government, less than a quarter of respondents thought it was doing an “excellent or above average” job in a range of key policy areas: international relations (24%), the Indigenous voice (17%) and climate change (13%). Support was in single digits for handling the cost of living (9%) and housing affordability (8%).

Rosie
Rosie
August 8, 2023 9:45 am

Janet Albrechtsen, the Australian, paywalled.
Janet is relentless.


Linda Reynolds blasts ‘social crusader’ ACT DPP Shane Drumgold

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 8, 2023 9:46 am

Aw geez. Courier Mail:

Police will review their previous call-outs to a house where a father and his five boys were killed in a fire, as homicide investigators join a team of detectives examining their deaths.

Detective Superintendent Andrew Massingham revealed police were planning to conduct formal interviews with the two women who escaped the fire – the children’s mother and her sister – while acknowledging investigators were keeping an “open mind”.

There is no suggestion either has engaged in any wrongdoing, or suspected of any wrongdoing.

He said 25 detectives were investigating the blaze, with an investigation centre set up at the Cleveland Police Station.

“Until we determine whether it’s suspicious or whether the matter is put before a coroner, it is standard practice to involve detectives of this nature (and) the size of the taskforce,” Det Supt Massingham said.

Wayne Godinet, 34, and his five children, Zack, 11, Harry, 10, four-year-old twins Kyza and Koah, and Nicky, 3, died when their Russell Island house caught alight on Sunday morning.

The children’s mother, Samantha Stephenson, 28, and her sister managed to get to safety.

Police, firefighters and paramedics rushed to the island cul-de-sac shortly after 6am after multiple triple-0 callers reported a fire at the home had spread to a neighbouring house and was threatening a third.

Within minutes, the third house had also caught alight.

The Todman St home where Mr Godinet and Ms Stephenson lived with their children was completely destroyed, with the upstairs level where the five boys slept collapsing.

Witnesses have told how Ms Stephenson screamed “my children, my children” after the children’s father raced upstairs into the flames and never returned.

Det Supt Massingham said more work was needed before police could determine what brought about the tragedy.

“The establishment of that investigation centre is because there are some elements of this incident yesterday that do require closer scrutiny,” Supt Massingham said.

“No determination has been made at this stage as to whether this fire is suspicious or not.

“It’s important that I tell you that we are keeping an open mind with respect to this matter.”

Det Supt Massingham said police had been called to the home before and all aspects of the couple’s involvement with police were being reviewed.

“I can confirm … that police have been to the residence in the past but the nature and frequency of our attendance there is subject to internal review and will be part of the investigation,” he said.

“As to (why) the male was … at the address is still subject to the investigation.”

He said the two women who escaped the fire had provided an “initial version” to police.

“You can appreciate both were extremely traumatised as a result of what happened,” he said.

“Their medical needs superseded our needs at that time.

“It was important at that time we obtain a quick version from them but their medical needs superseded our needs at that time.”

Both women were expected to be interviewed by detectives yesterday.

Hopefully it was just a tragic accident and not something more nefarious.

Dot
Dot
August 8, 2023 9:48 am

* On the weekend.
Of a public holiday
Into a stream
Where it could join its fellow reports in the great Sargasso swamp of caberaaaaah

We buried it… on a hill… overlooking a little river… with pine cones all around.

Roger
Roger
August 8, 2023 9:50 am

Support was in single digits for handling the cost of living (9%) and housing affordability (8%).

As predicted.

When was the last time Elbow even addressed these issues?

Oh yes, when he told Ben Fordham he grew up in a HC flat.

duncanm
duncanm
August 8, 2023 9:52 am

I see the distraction squirrel of the report leaks is being pushed hard. .. so that nobody looks too hard at the actual contents of the report.

Shoot the messenger, as it were.

johanna
johanna
August 8, 2023 9:54 am

Rosie
Aug 8, 2023 8:14 AM

I’m confused about how you share a meal with four people, they get sick but you don’t.

It’s classic The Divine Agatha. She knows exactly how you do that.

As for the ACT so-called ‘government’ (which, let me remind readers, was voted against by residents but foisted on them anyway) – it is not lack of brainpower, although the bureaucracy is infested with people who couldn’t make it in the APS.

By way of comparison, I have previously mentioned a trip to Tasmania for a week’s worth of meetings where the same people turned up wearing different hats.

The Greens have held, or threatened to hold, the balance of power for yonks, plus a lot of addle-pated voters support them. That means that ends justify means, because they just know that they are right about everything, and everyone else is not only wrong, but evil.

I would love to hear some insider stories about how Drumgold, whose qualifications were very light on, got the job and was supported by staff subsequently.

As for prosecuting Walter for releasing the findings – it is as if they are getting their legal advice from the gigantic legal brains that have been running the system to date.

Walter is 100% within his rights, having used 25% of his legal brain while the rest was relaxing at Port Douglas.

Roger
Roger
August 8, 2023 9:59 am

I would love to hear some insider stories about how Drumgold, whose qualifications were very light on, got the job and was supported by staff subsequently.

Affirmative action threatens civilisation.

It’s hard enough to run things with competent people.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 10:00 am

For any poll on anything 1/3 is the magic number. Any less is Gillardian and doom awaits.

Dot
Dot
August 8, 2023 10:01 am

Joh – I am pretty sure the ACT PID Act means Soronoff KC is fine. You can literally release “disclosable info” to “journalists” or an ACT MLA under the Act.

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 10:02 am

Oh, and the hamsters are still running their little hearts out.

The very Whips of Sauron are behind them.

That’ll teach them, the slackers!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 8, 2023 10:03 am

Heritage Law final piece: Roger Cook to vow ‘Juukan Amendment’ to strengthen projections
Josh Zimmerman & Jake DietschThe West Australian
Tue, 8 August 2023 2:00AM
Comments

Projects given the green light in areas containing Aboriginal heritage would be forced to inform the Government of any new discoveries that might merit a reconsideration of their approval in a major change to 50-year-old laws set to be unveiled by Roger Cook.

The new requirement is being referred to within government circles as the Juukan amendment because its mandatory reporting stipulation would have prevented Rio Tinto’s destruction of the Aboriginal sacred site.

The Premier will today confirm his intention to repeal updated heritage laws – in place for barely five weeks – in favour of returning to an improved version of the 1972 Act the new scheme sought to replace.

Labor MPs were last night called to a special briefing at Dumas House for Mr Cook to explain the stunning backflip but declined to provide substantive comment as they arrived.

Upper House MP Darren West – who has strongly defended the refreshed heritage laws at a series of community information sessions – denied the Government had been badly damaged by the saga.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 10:03 am

The ACT is San Francisco but with worse weather, no views and no surf.

Roger
Roger
August 8, 2023 10:04 am

For any poll on anything 1/3 is the magic number. Any less is Gillardian and doom awaits.

Meantime, Mr. 32% is making the most of his opportunities.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 10:06 am

Questions on the mushrooms thingy.
Was there some reckless act which didn’t intend to kill people?
Did she think it would be a hoot to see her buttoned-up Baptist F-i-L high on magic mushies? (But wrong mushies)
Did she intend to make them sick for some reason, but not kill them?
Did she buy the mushrooms at a market?
Was she a regular, experienced forager who had shown clear evidence in the past of knowing good mushies from bad?
Or did she just stupidly pick the mushies as a one-off because they popped up in the paddock next door?

Roger
Roger
August 8, 2023 10:07 am

The ACT is San Francisco but with worse weather, no views and no surf.

And no Anchor steam beer or porter.

Speaking of which, apparently they’ve closed after being purchased and mismanaged by a big Japanese brewer (Asahi?).

Dot
Dot
August 8, 2023 10:09 am

Sensible discussion is ruined by this.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22438-advanced-maternal-age

Advanced maternal age describes a pregnancy where the birthing person is older than 35. Pregnant people over age 35 are more at risk for complications like miscarriage, congenital disorders and high blood pressure.

“Were pregnant!”?

Hmmm, they mention female and woman a lot here:

https://evidencebasedbirth.com/advanced-maternal-age/

Oh wow.

Participants received artificial insemination once a month for up to one year, or until they became pregnant. Most (74%) of those under the age of 31 were pregnant within one year, but that number went down to 62% of people between 31 and 34, and 54% of people aged 35 and older.

According to the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, the “best reproductive years” are in your twenties. By the age of 30, a healthy, fertile female has a 20% chance of getting pregnant each month of trying to conceive. By age 40, someone has about a 5% chance of getting pregnant each month. In addition to advancing age, sexually transmitted infections, smoking, and having a body mass index (BMI) under 18.5 or above 25 can lead to decreasing fertility.

Male fertility declines with age as well. Researchers have found strong evidence that as males age, they can expect a decline in sperm counts, semen volume, sperm motility, and the number of normal sperm. Older females with older male partners who are trying to get pregnant may experience the combination of female and male age-related fertility decline (Johnson et al. 2015).

Let me guess. It’s actually irrelevant in most cases what age the man is. The same men have no problem with getting a 20-year-old woman pregnant, do they? The average man ejaculates between 60 million and 3 billion sperm.

Women are born with a set number of eggs. “Oh no, you only have 900 million sperm this count, it must be because you are 42, your wife being 39 is irrelevant…”

Idiocy.

This is basic biology. Hello, Mr Briffault!

“We found a spurious correlation that can let women live a fantasy, let’s publish that!”

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 10:09 am

As @AuronMacintyre said,
the only ones crazy enough to join a police force will be people totally loyal to the regime.

VicPlod were unavailable for comment.

flyingduk
flyingduk
August 8, 2023 10:10 am

Its interesting that Albo is ‘supporting’ the ‘voice’ and expressing disappointment that us proles are not.

Why does Albo have an opinion on it at all?

Isn’t it his job to *represent* the people (ie find out what they want, and be guided by that?)

Surely, if our government was really there to serve the people, their sole job is to find out what the people want, not to tell them what they should want, and co-erce them in that government approved direction?

/sarc off….

Dot
Dot
August 8, 2023 10:16 am

Trump
Tucker
2024

Tucker
Paul
2028

Even Joe Rogan approves of this, apparently.

flyingduk
flyingduk
August 8, 2023 10:20 am

Both women were expected to be interviewed by detectives yesterday.

Hopefully it was just a tragic accident and not something more nefarious.

Quite, but you can rest assured that, should it turn out that this *is* a case of maternal filicide, the reporting will be all about ‘mental health’ rather than evil and domestic violence, as would be the case if the father was involved.

PS: women are surprisingly often the perpetrators of filicide, around 1/3 of cases:


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-21/australia-invisible-victims-filicide-missed-red-flags/13253150

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 8, 2023 10:20 am

I just saw the interview Bolta did with Keith Windschuttle about the real character of Yunupingu

Windschuttle referred multiple times to clans. Are these clans the same as the ‘nations’ we hear so much about? I have taken the so-called ‘nations’ in Australia as truly being clans, as they are blood based and a person’s role is prescribed by ritual and and family and all the people embody a single tradition, whereas a nation is a separate entity from its constituent people so there are governments and systems of making laws separate to tradition, and which can therefore contain people of different bloodlines and traditions functioning side by side. A nation is able to look at itself from the outside, so to speak.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 8, 2023 10:26 am
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 8, 2023 10:28 am

Already been done, and has been run at least twice by SBS, in the Sunday afternoon “Nazi stories” slot around dinnertime.

Under what title, BJ? And as an illustrated-by-acting scenarios doco, or as a full-blown movie? I’d be interested to see it anyway. It doesn’t sound like what I had in mind though, which was a big historical movie along the lines of ‘Elizabeth R’ or ‘Oppenheimer’ or even ‘Valkyrie’, with a proper script and excellent acting.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 10:34 am

SBS has long been the home of Hitler and tits. Usually at different times. Perhaps this is the stumbling block with an ALPBC merger?

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