Open Thread – Mon 7 Aug 2023


The Sacrifice of Vesta, Francisco Goya, 1771

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GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 8, 2023 5:27 pm

Some you seem to think David Pocock is in Toytown government. He is an Australian Senator for the ACT and as green as they come. He tried for the greenslime but they rejected him. Others in line first. They must have been pissed when he beat them coz they’ve come close with candidates before. They missed the bus on that one.

Razey
Razey
August 8, 2023 5:28 pm

Sleazy’s commie Invoice not gonna get up eh? Well all I can say is:

Razey
Razey
August 8, 2023 5:29 pm

Sleazy’s commie Invoice not gonna get up eh? Well all I can say is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp8pIQ3Eh2A

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 8, 2023 5:31 pm

ZK2A you’d have to be pretty sick to go after Clamydia Ford.

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 5:34 pm

Clemmie’s in need of attention again.

Tim Blair will be delighted.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 8, 2023 5:35 pm

DrBeauGan
Aug 8, 2023 4:58 PM
I want to see cultural artefacts like rock paintings preserved. Any records of what human beings have got up to is worth preserving.

I would like to see more investigation of the Bradshaw paintings, which seem to have been sent down the Memory Hole. Inconvenient to the ever-so-precious “Narrative”?

Tom
Tom
August 8, 2023 5:37 pm

Sharri Markson’s 5pm show on Skynews is by far the best hour of TV journalism in Australia — well worth the $A60-odd monthly subscription, unless, of course, you can get it for free on regional TV.

eric hinton
eric hinton
August 8, 2023 5:38 pm

Dark Portuguese

Australian Museum: “The name ’emu’ is not an Aboriginal word. It may have been derived from an Arabic word for large bird and later adopted by early Portuguese explorers and applied to cassowaries in eastern Indonesia. The term was then transferred to the Emu by early European explorers to Australia.”

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 8, 2023 5:38 pm

dover0beach
Aug 8, 2023 4:32 PM

What did you do, Dr. Faustus?

Other than linking to a Ch9 piece, I really don’t know.
No naughty words, nothing defamatory, no code snippets – I guess there might have been some sort of corruption on my computer, because I then couldn’t post because ‘You’ve already posted that, idiot’ message.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 5:39 pm

Given its location, Meanjin (or Meaanjin) probably means “Mosquito swamp”.

Meaa’anji’n actually means “Queensland swamps are for Queenssslanders”.

Razey
Razey
August 8, 2023 5:40 pm

Former KGB Agent, Yuri Bezmenov, Warns America About Socialist Subversion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1EA2ohrt5Q

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 5:41 pm

Given its location, Meanjin (or Meaanjin) probably means “Mosquito swamp”.

Still not enough to slow Victoriastan emigration.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 5:42 pm

What is aboriginal for “unrealised capital losses”?

Vicki
Vicki
August 8, 2023 5:43 pm

DrBeauGan
Aug 8, 2023 4:58 PM
I want to see cultural artefacts like rock paintings preserved. Any records of what human beings have got up to is worth preserving.

I would like to see more investigation of the Bradshaw paintings, which seem to have been sent down the Memory Hole. Inconvenient to the ever-so-precious “Narrative”?

I want to see it all preserved. I have also seen the Bradshaws – quite exquisite. Years ago the local mob called them “rubbish art” & clearly believed they were not of their cultural heritage.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 5:44 pm

No naughty words, nothing defamatory …

Do better.

chrisl
chrisl
August 8, 2023 5:45 pm

A lie goes half way around the world before H B Bear puts his pants on

Rosie
Rosie
August 8, 2023 5:46 pm

The closer we get the more I see a select group of Aboriginals set on vengeance for past injustice, real and imagined, and the Voice is the vehicle to deliver it.
A great deal of ill will that no amount of money and knee bending will assuage.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 5:46 pm

Years ago the local mob called them “rubbish art” & clearly believed they were not of their cultural heritage.

Sounds racist.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 8, 2023 5:48 pm

Given its location, Meanjin (or Meaanjin) probably means “Mosquito swamp”.

Meaa’anji’n actually means “Queensland swamps are for Queenssslanders”.

Appropriately, most days the Mother of the State (Lor’ bless you ma’am) has her ample bum parked on the bit named Meaa’anji’nn.

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 5:53 pm

It’s anecdote o’clock, so I’ll tell you a story … located in our local shops.

A long haired, hippy-ish gentleman approached The Beloved. Uh-oh, it’s on, thinks the great grey warrior.

Sir, what do you think about the proposed offshore windfarms?

I think it’s a load of bullsh*t. If it was economic, why does the government need to fund it?

Sign our petition please.

Wonder of wonders, an actual environmentalist.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 8, 2023 5:55 pm

The closer we get the more I see a select group of “Aboriginals” set on vengeance for past injustice, real and imagined, and the Voice is the vehicle to deliver it.

FIFY.

John H.
John H.
August 8, 2023 5:56 pm

I would like to see more investigation of the Bradshaw paintings, which seem to have been sent down the Memory Hole. Inconvenient to the ever-so-precious “Narrative”?

How do those paintings compare to Lasaux and Altamira? Do Europeans attribute those sites to be the creations of different ethnic groups? Cultures typically produce extraordinary individuals whose talents seemingly appear out of nowhere.

I’m not interested in their narrative. If truth be told nor are most of them. Archeologists, anthropologists, and activists are more interested in those narratives than the descendants of those peoples.

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 5:57 pm

What is aboriginal for “unrealised capital losses”?

All you munni bilong me.

A versatile phrase, it suits many situations.

Rosie
Rosie
August 8, 2023 6:00 pm

What should be preserved and at what cost?
Should every shovelful of soil at building sites be dug by hand and put through a fine sieve just in case there is a knapped flint in the vicinity?
Should every site that bears the slightest evidence of aboriginal use be declared sacred?
It’s a completely unreasonable hiding to nothing.
And too often the demands for surveys and digs are made out of greed and contrariness.
Juukan Gorge should have been preserved because of the evidence of long term use over thousands of years but holding up every project because there just might be a scatter site?
It’s excessive.

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 6:04 pm

John H., in our recent trip we drove past Lascaux. It’s a major tourist attraction, bringing in many…many people who want to see reproductions of the art.

We passed, not because we didn’t want to see it, but because of time constraints. I studied the work in High School and it really is a wonder.

The pragmatic French use it for €€€€s, and as a hat tip to ancient art, which is what it is. Time and culture moves on. While caves in the vicinity have been used over the centuries by many subsequent inhabitants for various reasons, it is what it is. An artefact.

They have moved on, like all sensible civilisations. We seem to be heading for a cul de sac.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 8, 2023 6:04 pm

Earlier:

In many cases explorers and early settlers would ask the locals what was the name of the place or area where they were. They would often state the (to them) obvious eg
“That’s a “mountain” “ etc – so you might get different dialect words for “mountain” or “creek” or a type go local tree etc. etc.

Or not even that.

I have heard it said that the indig name of my ancestral seat was ascertained by one of the pioneers – Henty or Mitchell or somesuch – pointing at the place where he intended to start a township and asking a local countryman what it was called.

Apparently, the act of pointing may (or may not) have resulted in my hometown being named after the local indig word for ‘finger’.

dopey
dopey
August 8, 2023 6:05 pm

Big win in the soccer. Tracey Holmes reporting this morning from Gadigal, which looked like Manly or Balmoral.

Vicki
Vicki
August 8, 2023 6:05 pm

Juukan Gorge should have been preserved because of the evidence of long term use over thousands of years but holding up every project because there just might be a scatter site?
It’s excessive.

Absolutely agree. Known sites – eg of rock paintings and engravings – should be preserved where possible. But even middens beneath rock shelters are covered over once excavated and recorded.

Vicki
Vicki
August 8, 2023 6:08 pm

Tracey Holmes reporting this morning from Gadigal, which looked like Manly or Balmoral.

FIFA refers to the match location of Australian women’s soccer team as Sydney/Gadigal.

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 6:10 pm

Not “Eora”? Now I’m depressed again.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 8, 2023 6:20 pm

Vicki

I want to see it all preserved. I have also seen the Bradshaws – quite exquisite. Years ago the local mob called them “rubbish art” & clearly believed they were not of their cultural heritage.

Which is why I want to see them properly investigated. That the local mob calls them “rubbish art” suggests to me that they fear close investigation would expose some “inconvenient truths” about who arrived first and from where.

Have they been given protected status, or would some activists like to see them Juukanned?

John H.
John H.
August 8, 2023 6:22 pm

Rosie
Aug 8, 2023 6:00 PM
What should be preserved and at what cost?
Should every shovelful of soil at building sites be dug by hand and put through a fine sieve just in case there is a knapped flint in the vicinity?
Should every site that bears the slightest evidence of aboriginal use be declared sacred?
It’s a completely unreasonable hiding to nothing.
And too often the demands for surveys and digs are made out of greed and contrariness.
Juukan Gorge should have been preserved because of the evidence of long term use over thousands of years but holding up every project because there just might be a scatter site?
It’s excessive.

The sites I would love to see are underwater. The huge changes in human culture and gene flows that occurred at the end of the ice age are for myself very interesting. The Black Sea in particular is fascinating because of low oxygen content hence artefact preservation. Additionally the migrations into Europe, India, and northern Asia from north and south of the Black Sea point to it possibly being a crucible of human cultural and genetic evolution. A few pointed sticks and bones pales in comparison to what might be learned there.

It is excessive Rosie and it is also impractical. Apart from that I have no time for the concept of sacred. Obviously many people take the concept seriously so we need to set some conditions. For example, Jerusalem Mecca are obviously sacred. Sacred sites need to be subject to ongoing involvement and visitation upon by the relevant individuals. Blunt sticks and bones without involvement of the people don’t make a place sacred.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 6:26 pm

Last night I watched a show about the wine makers of the Languedoc region of France.
Languedoc doesn’t quite have the prestige of Burgundy or Bordeaux, and produces cheaper wines of a lower quality.
A bit like NSW wines if you are looking for a comparison.
Anyway, this has exposed them to international competition from Spain and elsewhere, and the locals are none too happy about it.
Sabotage – well it is a French word, after all – and mayhem ensued.
My schoolboy French is a bit rusty, but I could swear that, at one of their improvised riots, they were chanting “We make nafink! We make nafink!”

Rosie
Rosie
August 8, 2023 6:35 pm

Not the first time Languedoc wine producers have rioted.
Loads of experience there.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 8, 2023 6:41 pm

Black box found in Taipan military helicopter crash
Dominic GianniniAAP
Tue, 8 August 2023 2:15PM

A navy dive team has recovered the black box of the helicopter that crashed during a military exercise killing four people.

Captain Danniel Lyon, Lieutenant Maxwell Nugent, Warrant Officer Class Two Joseph Laycock and Corporal Alexander Naggs were killed when the MRH-90 Taipan helicopter crashed off the Queensland coast on July 28 during Exercise Talisman Sabre.

Cassie of Sydney
August 8, 2023 6:53 pm

“Languedoc region of France.”

My favourite region of France, the land of Eleanor of Aquitaine and Cathars, a land of walnuts, prunes, duck fat, lots of yummy goose and duck dishes, cassoulet, and Roquefort cheese.

Razey
Razey
August 8, 2023 6:55 pm

BREAKING: The revolutionary government of Niger has responded to the suspension of US aid by telling the US: “We don’t want your money, use it to fund a weight loss program for Victoria Nuland.”

https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1688718553174745088

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 6:57 pm

Cassie of Sydney

Aug 8, 2023 6:53 PM

“Languedoc region of France.”

My favourite region of France, the land of Eleanor of Aquitaine and Cathars, a land of walnuts, prunes, duck fat, lots of yummy goose and duck dishes, cassoulet, and Roquefort cheese.

And burning tyres in your warehouse if you import wine from Spain.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 7:00 pm

Euros arguing amongst themselves. Plus ca change.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 8, 2023 7:06 pm

For example, Jerusalem Mecca are obviously sacred. Sacred sites need to be subject to ongoing involvement and visitation upon by the relevant individuals. Blunt sticks and bones without involvement of the people don’t make a place sacred.

I’ve had this same discussion with serious Aboriginal people. Their argument is along the lines of: ‘Exactly. We are involved and visit our country‘. (Where ‘country’ is a location they are involved with, rather than a political idea.)

I can respect that.
I can’t similarly respect the strongly-held opinions of people who don’t have that connection. With the greatest possible respect, their ‘involvement’ with Country is pretty much like mine…

Turnip
Turnip
August 8, 2023 7:09 pm

Sharri Markson’s 5pm show on Skynews is by far the best hour of TV journalism in Australia — well worth the $A60-odd monthly subscription, unless, of course, you can get it for free on regional TV.

If you have Samsung Smart TV or computer monitor with Samsung Smart TV plus it has Sky News streaming for free. They also offer news streaming via FlashTV that carries Sky and Fox for $8 a month.

Roger
Roger
August 8, 2023 7:09 pm

FIFA refers to the match location of Australian women’s soccer team as Sydney/Gadigal.

ABC referring to it as Wangal.

Spears at dawn!

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
August 8, 2023 7:15 pm

One of the most toxic aspects of the ACH act 2023 was, if you find archaeological items, you don’t contact an archaeologist, you contact your local Yunipingu.
Also, if you find human remains, you don’t contact the police, you contact your local Yunipingu.
Or risk farm-busting million dollar fines.
It’s a perversion of all that we hold sacred about humans and human culture, and the objective process
of methods and evidence which we were once humble and proud of.

JC
JC
August 8, 2023 7:19 pm

Just get a load of this.

Doctor Jill Biden and friends.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 8, 2023 7:24 pm

One of the most toxic aspects of the ACH act 2023 was, if you find archaeological items, you don’t contact an archaeologist, you contact your local Yunipingu.

That was a comparison that came to my mind, indeed.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 8, 2023 7:27 pm

Mr Drage said the Federal Government now needed to show leadership and proceed with the introduction of a new Australia-wide regime for cultural heritage protection.

From Rosie’s link. Good luck with that one!

JC
JC
August 8, 2023 7:30 pm

Is there anything he doesn’t say that’s too outlandish and isn’t funny.

@realDonaldTrump

The “shocking and totally unexpected” loss by the U.S. Women’s Soccer Team to Sweden is fully emblematic of what is happening to the our once great Nation under Crooked Joe Biden. Many of our players were openly hostile to America – No other country behaved in such a manner, or even close. WOKE EQUALS FAILURE. Nice shot Megan, the USA is going to Hell!!! MAGA

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 8, 2023 7:34 pm

Mr Drage said the Federal Government now needed to show leadership and proceed with the introduction of a new Australia-wide regime for cultural heritage protection.

That should give the No vote a good kick along.

Alamak!
August 8, 2023 7:35 pm

Clemmie’s in need of attention again.

Tim Blair will be delighted

Imagine a dating app that included both of these fine people. And Lydia to make a 3-some.

mem
mem
August 8, 2023 7:50 pm

Only 6% renewable energy being generated across the five eastern states tonight at 7.45pm. The sun isn’t shining of course so no solar, and the wind has dropped. Glad we still have both brown coal in Vic and black coal in NSW and Qld stoking the turbines.

shatterzzz
August 8, 2023 7:53 pm

Pity the USA played before Colombia .. they may have gained an insight into how a team that is proud of their country responds to the national anthem ..
Reckon that was the loudest and most enthusiastic rendition of the entire WC to date …..

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 8, 2023 8:08 pm

/Sydney has always been known as Wangal/.
Even when it was known as Gadigal/, which was last week.
..also, FFFIFA sponsor Cadbury has increased the chocolate ration.

Crossie
Crossie
August 8, 2023 8:09 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Aug 8, 2023 12:33 PM
Cite you the “land rights ” dispute in Western Australia, where the manager of the station involved, and his wife, had a better grasp of indigenous lore then the the local Aborigines. It emerged that the “guardian of the sacred sites” lived hundreds of kilometers away, in Perth, and had never set foot on the sites in his life.

I am sick and tired of giving way to this fraud. The best way forward for all is to adopt the culture that has built this nation and the world, the world that has afforded all of us such plenty and such luxury.

The drive for the Voice and the drive to Net Zero are one and the same, retreat into the past, into famine and misery. I vote for future and modernity.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 8, 2023 8:12 pm

The God Emperor has a point.
Under his really, really great leadership, the Yankee Femme Footbots won the cup. Maybe if those harpies had deigned to meet him for a post-match chin wag, they might have learnt something about staying power.

Crossie
Crossie
August 8, 2023 8:20 pm

Roger
Aug 8, 2023 12:48 PM
I note the ABC is now calling Sydney “Wangal.”

As in “The Matildas defeated Denmark last night in Wangal.”

I doubt this sort of top down cultural depredation will play well among the masses.

Our nobility has spoken and the peasantry better mind their manners.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 8:31 pm

Rosie

Aug 8, 2023 7:25 PM

Today, in a statement, the ACT Bar Association said Mr Drumgold currently held a restricted government practising certificate that allowed him to work as a barrister in the ACT, but only while employed in the top job or for that office.

Rosie

Aug 8, 2023 7:26 PM

that kind of implies he wasn’t currently meeting the standard to practice as a barrister in the ACT.

OK.
This sounds like the elevation to the bar was totally contingent on his DPP job.
It seems this is a public sector thing.
I think Brett Sutton was automatically granted the title of Perfesser when he was given the CHO job.

Crossie
Crossie
August 8, 2023 8:32 pm

rugbyskier
Aug 8, 2023 2:02 PM
Re-naming places seems to be the new obsession with the PC aboriginal. crowd. This ignores the fact that such names are historically important to the vast majority of the population, and in losing them, we lose part of our history.

That’s the intention Damon, they want to erase the European history and culture of Australia. Remember that many communist revolutions called the takeover “year zero” as they erased everything beforehand.

This makes me think of how the French Revolution proceeded, everything was torn down to bring in the new reality. With Napoleon France clawed back most of their traditions but it was never the same. We seems to be in the middle of a revolution without a name or fanfare but a revolution none the less. Where is our Napoleon? Who is our Napoleon? One thing is for sure his name is not Peter Dutton or Barnaby Joyce.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 8:37 pm

Rosie

Aug 8, 2023 7:31 PM

Kellie Parker Rio CEO on Australian racism

“There’s a number of senior Indigenous leaders who are under enormous racial attack at the moment – vile racial attack –

Yes.
The treatment of Jacinta Price and Warren Mundine has been appalling.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
August 8, 2023 8:40 pm

Rosie Aug 8, 2023 7:25 PM
Today, in a statement, the ACT Bar Association said Mr Drumgold currently held a restricted government practising certificate that allowed him to work as a barrister in the ACT, but only while employed in the top job or for that office.

This may be a commonplace & standard caveat.
Jurisdictions within Australia differ in many ways, & the ACT I have little first hand knowledge of.
However IIRC a Qld Certificate to Practice was issued with similar restriction, i.e. specifying Crown employ, private practice, & so on.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 8, 2023 8:43 pm

Adam
4 hours ago
Anyone ever stop to think about the amount of money that gets thrown around when you mention “cultural heritage” – I know of a company that has to pay an indigenous bloke $200k per year to essentially sit under a tree just “in case” there is a “cultural heritage” concern.
And there are four of them!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 8, 2023 8:43 pm

Lethal Weapon 2 on Focks.

The Saffie villains. Just started, too.

My cup runneth over.

Oh come on
Oh come on
August 8, 2023 8:46 pm

Prominent barrister Geoffrey Watson said he was troubled by Mr Drumgold’s resignation statement issued last week.

He said that inquiry head Mr Sofronoff’s actions of releasing copies of the report to select media outlets before it was publicly released by the ACT government could have been a breach of the Inquiries Act.

“It seems as though the whole way in which this has been handled has had the practical effect of denying him [Mr Drumgold] procedural fairness,” he said.

“His reputation’s been slaughtered, I just feel very, very sorry for that man, it’s just wrong.”

On Sunday, Drumgold was whining about not being afforded procedural fairness. Now one of his lackeys is whining about his trashed reputation. The lack of perspective here is shocking to the point of near-hilarity, given what he very deliberately did to Lehrmann’s reputation in ensuring he would convict in the court of public opinion once he realised he couldn’t secure an actual conviction by way of doing whatever he could to deny procedural fairness to Lehrmann throughout the entire process.

calli
calli
August 8, 2023 8:48 pm

Deplometic emunitie! Whoops!

132andBush
132andBush
August 8, 2023 8:56 pm

Re Gobweedson and “Regenerative Agriculture”

Link

How it Works
In short, regenerative agriculture is a system of farming principles and practices that seeks to rehabilitate and enhance the entire ecosystem of the farm by placing a heavy premium on soil health with attention also paid to water management, fertilizer use, and more. It is a method of farming that “improves the resources it uses, rather than destroying or depleting them,” according to the Rodale Institute.

A great deal of emphasis is placed on looking holistically at the agro-ecosystem. Key techniques include:

Conservation tillage: Plowing and tillage dramatically erode soil and release large amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. They also can result in the kind of bare or compacted soil that creates a hostile environment for important soil microbes. By adopting low- or no-till practices, farmers minimize physical disturbance of the soil, and over time increase levels of soil organic matter, creating healthier, more resilient environments for plants to thrive, as well as keeping more and more carbon where it belongs.
Diversity: Different plants release different carbohydrates (sugars) through their roots, and various microbes feed on these carbs and return all sorts of different nutrients back to the plant and the soil. By increasing the plant diversity of their fields, farmers help create the rich, varied, and nutrient-dense soils that lead to more productive yields.
Rotation and cover crops: Left exposed to the elements, soil will erode and the nutrients necessary for successful plant growth will either dry out or quite literally wash away. At the same time, planting the same plants in the same location can lead to a buildup of some nutrients and a lack of others. But by rotating crops and deploying cover crops strategically, farms and gardens can infuse soils with more and more (and more diverse) soil organic matter, often while avoiding disease and pest problems naturally. Always remember, bare soil is bad soil.
Mess with it less: In addition to minimizing physical disturbance, regenerative agriculture practitioners also often seek to be cautious about chemical or biological activities that also can damage long-term soil health. Misapplication of fertilizers and other soil amendments can disrupt the natural relationship between microorganisms and plant roots.
The overriding theme: If you take care of your soil, it will take care of you.

Patronizing to say the least.

So how do we measure success in this endeavour?

Importantly, regenerative agriculture practices also help us fight the climate crisis by pulling carbon from the atmosphere and sequestering it in the ground. (More on that below.)

In other words “increase in soil organic carbon”.

Most farmers today, if practicing zero till etc, will be well on the way to background carbon levels, if not there already. That is to say the levels in cultivated paddocks are the same as virgin scrub. Maybe it can go higher with the use of added fertilizers in the right ratios?
Let’s see. Rainfall is the limiting factor.

Grain spills offer a bonanza for seed eating birds as do the vast irrigation schemes for aquatic species, and lets not forget the endless mobs of roos and emus, all of which at one time or another have drunk for survival from (white) man made water points.
The biggest threat to native fauna in this country is introduced predator species which farmers are continually trying to keep under control.

The whole AGW agenda is aimed squarely at having less people on the planet.
And what better way to achieve that than throttling food and energy.
Regenerative agriculture is indispensable to Gaia.
Comrades

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 8, 2023 8:57 pm

Deplometic emunitie!

Jy wil pret maak met die manier waarop ons praat?

Real Deal
Real Deal
August 8, 2023 9:09 pm

Joss Ackland in LW2 “My dear officer, you could not even give me a poork-king ticket!”

And:

“Ooo’s the dickhead now, Eh?”

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 8, 2023 9:13 pm
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 8, 2023 9:14 pm

Deplometic emunitie!

Great stuff. The villain’s name is Rudd as well.

132andBush
132andBush
August 8, 2023 9:17 pm

Feminist writer Clementine Ford joins ‘inclusive’ dating app for swingers and kinky relationships – but is left disgusted after receiving raunchy opening message from a horny user

I didn’t think Memoryfault would sink that low.

Cassie of Sydney
August 8, 2023 9:21 pm

The mysterious affair of the mushroom poisonings in Leongatha gets more mysterious. When you go mushroom picking, part of the pleasure is that you want to cook and eat them yourself so, I find it odd that Erin Patterson didn’t consume any mushrooms. People who don’t like eating mushrooms don’t go picking them, and they don’t usually like cooking them. The Oz is reporting that “Ms Patterson and her two children, who were fed a different meal, did not fall critically ill”. Odd, strange and weird.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 8, 2023 9:21 pm

Uluru Statement is ‘a 26-page document: Price
Mackenzie Scott
Mackenzie Scott

Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians Jacinta Nampijinpa Price says her office has received verbal clarification the Uluru Statement from the Heart is a 26-page document after Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said the claim was a “conspiracy theory”.

Senator Price said the Prime Minister “needs to come clean to the Australian people” and reveal whether the Statement covers treaty and calls for a Makarrata commission.

“My staff got a phone call at 12:54pm this afternoon with a verbal clarification that the document is, in fact, the 26 pages and not just, of course, the one page,” Senator Price told Peta Credlin on Sky News.

“The Prime Minister needs to come clean to the Australian people, not just on this issue but on various other issues around treaty around details of the voice.

“He’s dancing around everything and Australian people.”

Speaking in Question Time on Tuesday in response to a question about a copy of the Uluru Statement of the Heart obtained under a Freedom of Information request from the National Indigenous Australian Agency, Mr Albanese said the existence of an extended document was a conspiracy theory.

“That is a conspiracy,” he said.

“It is something that has been out there, like a whole lot of theories. We have all sorts of conspiracy stuff out there, but this is a ripper.

“That is the Uluru Statement from the Heart on an A4 bit of paper. That is it.”

Poor old Albo – it’s all slipping away from him..

Crossie
Crossie
August 8, 2023 9:28 pm

it is what it is. An artefact.

They have moved on, like all sensible civilisations. We seem to be heading for a cul de sac.

I think they also call themselves unironically progressives.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 8, 2023 9:30 pm

Watching NITV for Over The Black Dot which talks about the NRL, Meanjin I am informed is something to do with a bend in the Brisbane River that looks like a spear head. Sydney wasn’t Mangal, rather Gadigal which was some tree.
Yes as clear as mud in a beer bottle but there you go.

Dot
Dot
August 8, 2023 9:31 pm

Languedoc region of France.

Bucket list fishing destination, along with the Argentinian highlands, Pemba channel etc.

Is there anything he doesn’t say that’s too outlandish and isn’t funny.

JC I noted that quote of Trump ripping Rapinoe yesterday, that’s plagiarism bro.

Feminist writer Clementine Ford joins ‘inclusive’ dating app for swingers and kinky relationships – but is left disgusted after receiving raunchy opening message from a horny user

Err, what did she expect?

Dot, ask one of the AIs to write a romance in the style of Barbara Cartland & the FATAL RPG system between Marty and cell bock H.
All of cell bock H.

Unlike the Eldar, I’m not going to manifest Slaanesh into existence.

Razey
Razey
August 8, 2023 9:35 pm

August 2023 clot shot stats are out.

Only 61,000 Victorians over 18 have not had the gene therapy plosion. To those, I salute you. God has reserved you a seat at the highest table for resisting tyranny.

Notably, 225,000 Queenslanders are still pure as well. Well done you great people of Queensland.

Dot
Dot
August 8, 2023 9:36 pm

Jacinta Price (LNP) and Warren Mundine (ALP, formerly) both are opposed to the Voice.

I mean hell, Anthony Mundine was a bit divisive beforehand but you know, he’s actually Aboriginal:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12281517/Anthony-Mundine-voting-No-Warren-Mundine-admits-family-odds-Indigenous-Voice.html

EXCLUSIVE: Anthony Mundine breaks his silence on the Voice and gives his surprising view on the referendum – as his high-profile family opens up about the stunning rift over the vote: ‘Straight up trickery’

Anthony, also known by his nickname ‘The Man’, has urged his fans to vote against enshrining the advisory body in the constitution at a referendum this year, expressing fears ‘sovereignty could be ceded’ to the Federal government.

His second cousin Warren Mundine – the former Labor president and a Liberal party candidate in the 2019 election – is likewise voting ‘No’ and has taken a key position in the political campaign against it.

Dot
Dot
August 8, 2023 9:37 pm

Only 61,000 Victorians over 18 have not had the gene therapy plosion. To those, I salute you. God has reserved you a seat at the highest table for resisting tyranny.

Disgusting heretical and dishonest trash.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 8, 2023 9:40 pm

Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Act: 700-strong crowd attends farmers’ rally at Parliament House
Adam Poulsen
The West Australian
Tue, 8 August 2023 3:01PM

Hundreds of farmers who turned out to a rally at Parliament House have been left feeling vindicated after WA Premier Roger Cook announced he would scrap deeply unpopular new Aboriginal heritage laws.

The 700-strong group of farmers and pastoralists from across WA gathered on Tuesday afternoon to demand major changes to the Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Act, which took effect just five weeks ago.

But they received more than they had hoped for, with Mr Cook acknowledging just an hour earlier that the legislation “went too far” and confirming it would be repealed.

Raucous cheers erupted after WA Opposition leader Shane Love informed the crowd — many of whom had yet to hear the news — of the Government’s “spectacular backflip”.

“That was (the result of) a rejection of you of what has been a failed Act, a bad piece of legislation that was rammed through this place and should never have been foisted on the community,” he said.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 8, 2023 9:41 pm

Also I didn’t realise that Australia Post were in on the rise until I saw an advertisement on NITV during aforementioned program. FMD a couple of years it’s been in place, and it’s moronic. People here may have seen it but if you haven’t, maybe a stuff drink will assist you getting through.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
August 8, 2023 9:45 pm

Just catching up with earlier posts re the Bradshaw paintings, aka “Gwion Gwion” paintings. These are markedly different from the “wandjina” art found in the Napier Ranges of the WA Kimberley region.

Back in the mid 90’s a well known exploration company doing surveys in the Napier Range and came across a rock overhang with several of the Bradshaw figures.

The precise location and photographs were forwarded to the WA Mines Department and all survey work in that area was paused, pending advice from .gov.

Two weeks later, the Bradshaws had been vandalised by being painted over (in modern paint) by person or persons unknown and lost forever. The obvious conclusion was that someone in the Department had leaked the location to locals who promptly destroyed the figures.

The exploration company later came across a second set of Bradshaws, but kept the location secret. Those figures are still untouched at that spot (at least they were when I saw them in 2019) which begs the question; who would want to destroy ancient rock paintings, and why?

You don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 8, 2023 9:47 pm

The ruse, poxy autocorrect

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 9:49 pm

OCO at 8:46.
I have been starting to wonder if Shane hasn’t been getting a bit of help with his homework.
The fact that he thought the enquiry would vindicate his shitty (and possibly illegal) behaviour and be a catalyst to overturn centuries of legal tradition tells me he is delusional.
But I don’t think he got there on his own.
He has had “mentors”.
I wonder if Geoffrey Watson was one of them.
The left have been itching to turn the presumption of innocence on it’s head for some time.
Not for all, mind you, only their class enemies.
They tried and failed with Pell.
I think this was round 2.
It was supposed to be win-win either way.
If Lehrmann is found guilty, we then have a witch-hunt into how the Liberal Party tried to silence Britnah.
If he is found not guilty, we then have an inquiry into how he got away with it, and what we need to do to fix it.
Who would dare to resist a baying #metoo mob, and a diversity pick DPP?
But then along came Walter and kicked over everyone’s sand-castles.

John H.
John H.
August 8, 2023 9:50 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Aug 8, 2023 9:21 PM
Uluru Statement is ‘a 26-page document: Price
Mackenzie Scott
Mackenzie Scott

Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians Jacinta Nampijinpa Price says her office has received verbal clarification the Uluru Statement from the Heart is a 26-page document after Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said the claim was a “conspiracy theory”.

Senator Price said the Prime Minister “needs to come clean to the Australian people” and reveal whether the Statement covers treaty and calls for a Makarrata commission.

“My staff got a phone call at 12:54pm this afternoon with a verbal clarification that the document is, in fact, the 26 pages and not just, of course, the one page,” Senator Price told Peta Credlin on Sky News.

I always thought that it being a one page document seemed odd. What does make sense is that they didn’t want the Australian public to know the full contents. The dishonesty by all the Yes advocates is disgraceful.

Slipping away ZK2A? You mean crashed burned immolated and then cast into the sun?

Putting on my rarely used optimism hat I suggest this might be the best thing that ever happened to indigenous people because the public at large now will demand a more honest appraisal of the problems confronting indigenous people and how those problems can be solved. For example, at Garma they made mention of the tragedy of Rheumatic Disease becoming a Damocles sword for those with subsequent cardiac issues. The condition is caused by infection. Infections are solved through hygiene. There is evidence to suggest some indigenous have immune responses not so well adapted to some forms of infection, which is not surprising given their genetic isolation. Germ theory and immunity are concepts foreign to indigenous culture, if they listened to us this tragedy could be avoided. They don’t their voice to solve that problem, they need our voice.

Dot
Dot
August 8, 2023 9:53 pm

This Bradshaw stuff is pretty wild. From WikiPedia:

***Media coverage has at times emphasised his claims of mysterious races. Pettigrew suggests that the Gwion Gwion paintings depict people with ‘peppercorn curls’ and small stature that characterise San groups; he speculates that African people travelled, shortly after the Toba eruption some 70,000 years ago, by reed boat across the Indian Ocean, provisioning themselves with the fruit of the baobab tree.[54] The Australian archaeological community has generally not accepted such claims and believes that Gwion Gwion are indigenous works. For example, Dr Andrée Rosenfeld argued that the aesthetics of the art did not support claims for a non-Aboriginal origin when comparison is made to the aesthetic value of contemporary Aboriginal art.[50] The Australian Archaeological Association in a press release stated, “No archaeological evidence exists which suggests that the early colonisation of Australia was by anyone other than the ancestors of contemporary Aboriginal people”, the release quoted Claire Smith: “such interpretations are based on and encourage racist stereotypes”.[50]***

Um, so it is racist to dispute that stylistically different artefacts may not be from a homogenous ethnic and cultural group that isn’t actually homogenous anyway?

These people are retarded.

Morsie
Morsie
August 8, 2023 9:55 pm

Bulldust about Drimgold.He would have received a limited practising certificate.I doubt there is anything preventing him applying for a full practising certificate in any jurisdiction.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 9:55 pm

Only 61,000 Victorians over 18 have not had the gene therapy plosion. To those, I salute you. God has reserved you a seat at the highest table for resisting tyranny.

Pride goeth … etcetera, etcetera.

Dot
Dot
August 8, 2023 9:57 pm

.I doubt there is anything preventing him applying for a full practising certificate in any jurisdiction.

Shame, Drumgold?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 8, 2023 9:58 pm

Only 61,000 Victorians over 18

Curious to see which ‘stats’ these are.

Please, please let it be Madam Zeeee or one of her stable.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 8, 2023 9:58 pm

Slipping away ZK2A? You mean crashed burned immolated and then cast into the sun?

I would hope so. Does Albo think the electorate are such mugs that they won’t look up the Uluru declaration for themselves?

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
August 8, 2023 9:58 pm

Markle Mexit?

Meghan never wants to act again despite movie offers.
The Duchess of Sussex has reportedly made it clear she has no plans to act ever again despite signing with a leading Hollywood talent agent.

This is fair, as 100% of her time is already taken up pretending to be a princess.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 8, 2023 9:59 pm

I doubt there is anything preventing him applying for a full practising certificate in any jurisdiction.

What will he need for wills and conveyancing?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 8, 2023 10:04 pm

Anyone today spending money today to listen Rita on Sky News is useless? She’s a pure MSM whore.

Get Tony Heller on your show. She is useless!

She’s a disgrace!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 8, 2023 10:05 pm

This is fair, as 100% of her time is already taken up pretending to be a princess.

Perhaps Hazza might care to reflect on the fate of the last member of the Royal Family, who gave up his rank as an Admiral in the Royal Navy, to become Third Mate, to a Baltimore tramp?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 8, 2023 10:12 pm

Police careers destroyed by ACT DPP Shane Drumgold’s false claims

EXCLUSIVE
By janet albrechtsen
Columnist
@jkalbrechtsen
and stephen rice
NSW Editor
@riceyontheroad
Updated 9:51PM August 8, 2023, First published at 9:30PM August 8, 2023

Many senior and junior police involved in the investigation of Brittany Higgins’s rape claims have lost their jobs or gone on long-term sick leave and will never return to policing in the wake of baseless accusations against them by ACT chief prosecutor Shane Drumgold.

Thirteen Australian Federal Police officers involved in the investigation of the claims, including Detective Superintendent Scott Moller, have told The Australian of catastrophic damage to their lives and careers from the inquiry he demanded.

“It must not be understated exactly what harm these baseless allegations have caused to individual police officers,” said lawyer Calvin Gnech, on behalf of his clients. “Careers have been lost and reputations severely damaged, all of which was entirely unnecessary.”
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The Sofronoff inquiry found that although mistakes were made by police, none had engaged in misconduct and investigators “performed their duties in absolute good faith, with great determination although faced with obstacles, and put together a sound case.

The Australian understands there may be claims for compensation made by police arising from the psychological impact on them from the investigation and inquiry.

Mr Gnech said the 13 officers he represented, who include Detective Inspector Marcus Boorman and Commander Michael Chew, had never claimed to be perfect “but they certainly claimed to have conducted a comprehensive investigation without any element of corruption or conspiracy. Senior and junior police officers have accessed long-term sick leave directly because of this matter.”

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 8, 2023 10:17 pm

Credits rolling on LW2.

Patsy Kensit. Superb. Just superb.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 8, 2023 10:18 pm

These people are retarded.
Yes Dot, Wikipedia is run by mongs. It is not a good or thorough source for anything.

slackster
slackster
August 8, 2023 10:20 pm

Is AnAl really that stupid to deny the 26 pages of FOI documentation?

Or is he just stupid enough to have been set up and really believes it’s only 1 page?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 8, 2023 10:25 pm

Romper Stomper.

Cannot. Get. Better.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 8, 2023 10:25 pm

Yes and yes slackster.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 8, 2023 10:35 pm

Before the Gariwerd Nazis start up, Romper Stomper is notable for Russell Crowe’s breakout role, and its location in the western Mongyang ‘burbs where I spent so much time, a lifetime ago.

It’s also cool because the garage skinheads die in the end.

Indolent
Indolent
August 8, 2023 10:39 pm
Dot
Dot
August 8, 2023 10:40 pm

Wally Dalí
Aug 8, 2023 10:18 PM

These people are retarded.
Yes Dot, Wikipedia is run by mongs. It is not a good or thorough source for anything.

No. Not Wikipedia in this instance. The stupid Archeology club that declared that its racist to note evidence of anyone else inhabiting Australia before 1788.

Razey
Razey
August 8, 2023 10:44 pm

Only 61,000 Victorians over 18

Curious to see which ‘stats’ these are.

Please, please let it be Madam Zeeee or one of her stable.

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/covid-19-vaccination-vaccination-data-4-august-2023?language=en

Razey
Razey
August 8, 2023 10:46 pm

VIC – Residential State – Unvaccinated Slide 6 61,147

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
August 8, 2023 10:46 pm

Mr Gnech said the 13 officers he represented…had never claimed to be perfect “but they certainly claimed to have conducted a comprehensive investigation without any element of corruption or conspiracy. Senior and junior police officers have accessed long-term sick leave directly because of this matter.”

Ja, zay ver only followink orderrrrs.
I know our justice system is meant to be adversarial, but fitting up a bloke with no proof of crime, let alone the identity of the perp, and then preventing him from getting exculpatory evidence, is going a bit further than mere ‘investigation’.
I suppose the only extenuating factor is they may have had roles in which they were not required to know (or didn’t know) what relevant standard procedures were about discoverable/disclosable evidence. Ol’ drummo can’t use that one.

Razey
Razey
August 8, 2023 10:47 pm

61,147 lions.

Millions of Sheep.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 8, 2023 10:51 pm

61,147 lions.

No such thing as a Japanese lion.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 8, 2023 10:58 pm

Brilliant. Sleep well folks.

This guy is a JET with the animals.

Rescued LION BROTHERS and Kevin Richardson | The Lion Whisperer

Bruce in WA
August 8, 2023 10:59 pm

Shocking new research reveals plastic floating on sea surface is eight times worse than previously thought
Colin Fernandez
Daily Mail
August 8, 2023 3:49PM

As much as two million tonnes of plastic is floating on the surface of our oceans – eight times more than was previously thought, according to new research.

The findings are the result of a five-year research project and dwarf earlier estimates that the figure was around 250,000 tonnes.

Writing in the scientific journal Nature Geoscience, researchers said their calculations are based on a computer model of the world’s oceans and estimates of plastic rubbish falling into the sea.

The new model estimates that, in 2020, there were 3.2 million tonnes of plastic junk in the sea overall, and the amount entering it is increasing by around 4 per cent each year. so unless it is halted, the total amount of plastic in our oceans will double within 20 years to around 6.4 million tonnes.

Dot
Dot
August 8, 2023 11:11 pm

No such thing as a Japanese lion.

Unless they’re white and a cartoon character.

JC
JC
August 8, 2023 11:11 pm

Oh, look at my surprise.

Perhaps Rand should also look the other side of this equation they failed to solve. Russia’s incursion into other sovereign countries also risks the potential for global war.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 8, 2023 11:13 pm

No such thing as a Japanese lion.
….
Unless they’re white and a cartoon character.

Kimba the White Lion.

A whole new vista of potential entertainment just opened up.

Who lives down in deepest darkest Africa?
Kimba, Kimba……

Memories.

John H.
John H.
August 8, 2023 11:28 pm

he speculates that African people travelled, shortly after the Toba eruption some 70,000 years ago, by reed boat across the Indian Ocean, provisioning themselves with the fruit of the baobab tree.[54]

That’s not speculation that’s pulling ideas out of his ass. Speculation still needs to be based on some reasonable grounds. The Bradshaws are not the oldest paintings so it is doubtful they were done by the first inhabitants.

Why assume the Bradshaw paintings were made by different people? That is like Hungarians arguing about Martian heritage, only they say that as a joke. Human history has many examples of extraordinary talents emerging in societies. We don’t know and without further evidence we cannot know. It is OK not to know, it is not OK to pull ideas out of our asses because we’re uncomfortable with not knowing or because we need another publication.

Crawford records being told by an Aboriginal elder in 1969 that the Gwion Gwion were “rubbish paintings”,

Please don’t suggest to me that a statement by one person settles the matter.

Note the analyses which suggest the paintings are not so fundamentally different. Across the world it is common for artists to explore new styles. Paleoanthropology is littered with mysteries and all too often people claiming to solve those are pulling ideas out of their asses.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 8, 2023 11:30 pm

He would have received a limited practising certificate.I doubt there is anything preventing him applying for a full practising certificate in any jurisdiction.

Was Drumgold qualified and admitted in the ACT? If not, it would not necessarily be unusual to receive a limited practising certificate in another jurisdiction for specific purposes. Without looking into it further sounds like a beatup to me. Once qualified in one jurisdiction admission in another is an administrative step.

John H.
John H.
August 8, 2023 11:56 pm

JC
Aug 8, 2023 11:11 PM
Oh, look at my surprise.

Perhaps Rand should also look the other side of this equation they failed to solve. Russia’s incursion into other sovereign countries also risks the potential for global war.

JC you are missing the point. Russia is justified in starting an invasion that could result in the death of millions, crash the world economy, and cause starvation in developing nations. He stuffed up. Took a gamble on an invasion hoping no-one would intervene.

The dumbest argument I have heard was from Jordan Peterson. He argued that Russia invaded Ukraine to save it from becoming morally degenerate like us. He put qualifications around that but it clearly is an appeal to his conservative and evangelical base.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 9, 2023 12:06 am

Gonski!

ACT Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold KC will be unable to practice as a barrister in the territory following his resignation from the top job, with the findings of the Sofronoff inquiry to factor into any future bar applications.

The ACT Bar Association confirmed in a statement on Tuesday that Mr Drumgold will no longer hold a practising certificate from 1 September 2023, when his resignation takes effect.

“The announcement of Mr Drumgold’s resignation … means that from that date Mr Drumgold will no longer have capacity to practice as a barrister in the ACT,” the statement read.

Oz

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 9, 2023 12:11 am

Ja, zay ver only followink orderrrrs.
I know our justice system is meant to be adversarial, but fitting up a bloke with no proof of crime, let alone the identity of the perp, and then preventing him from getting exculpatory evidence, is going a bit further than mere ‘investigation’.

What the fck are you banging on about?
This is the AFP who didn’t think there was enough to charge Lehrmann, and drafted the Moller report casting doubts on the veracity of Britnah.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 9, 2023 12:15 am

Was Drumgold qualified and admitted in the ACT? 

I dunno.
I am getting the impression he may have been waved through when appointed DPP.

JC
JC
August 9, 2023 12:19 am

JC, RAND doesn’t care about other sovereign countries. They were positioning Ukraine as a pawn in their own game. They think that as long as it only weakens Europe and Russia, they win.

Dover, ordinarily, in some circles, Rand Corp would be considered “globalist”. This assertion of weakening Europe along with Russia to make the US stronger would 180 degrees opposite to what is considered globalist thinking. The basic tenet of globalism , at least in terms of economics, is that trade liberalization and peace etc lifts all boats. Your link implies that Rand is going for zero sum.

Also, what the hell is that site that you linked to? It sounds like a Russian bot.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 9, 2023 12:21 am

Appointed DPP 1st January 2019.
Admitted to the bar 2019.

JC
JC
August 9, 2023 12:32 am

So the US clearly understood that their policy with NATO, and in particular, with Ukraine, would inevitable provoke a military response and yet they continued down this course.

Appeasement has a fine history of concluding in war. Just what was Western policy toward the Ukraine that provoked Russia in to totally ruining a neighbor possibly for generations and cutting itself off from the West? Ukraine wanted to have closer ties with Europe?

The gamble Putin took was that this wasn’t what the US actually intended, except it appears it was, because it would be the only way to pry Germany off of Russian energy and make any independent European defence/ foreign policy impossible.

You believe, heart of hearts, that the US intention was always to get Germany off Russian gas for defense purposes? That’s a really long bow, especially for this most inept bumbling administration.

That’s a similar set of views we saw being being touted on the left by those suffering the worst symptoms of Trump Derangement Syndrome . Trump was both eternally stupid and an evil genius at the same time.

But no, Russia attacked a neighbor because it felt its national prestige was being questioned and the kleptocract in the Kremlin has desires to put together the old Russian empire. That’s obviously a dream that isn’t going to happen.

John H.
John H.
August 9, 2023 12:36 am

dover0beach
Aug 9, 2023 12:11 AM
JC you are missing the point. Russia is justified in starting an invasion that could result in the death of millions, crash the world economy, and cause starvation in developing nations. He stuffed up. Took a gamble on an invasion hoping no-one would intervene.

Yeah nah. One of the instructive sentences was:

Our continued actions in this country will inevitably lead to a military response from Russia.

So the US clearly understood that their policy with NATO, and in particular, with Ukraine, would inevitable provoke a military response and yet they continued down this course. The gamble Putin took was that this wasn’t what the US actually intended, except it appears it was, because it would be the only way to pry Germany off of Russian energy and make any independent European defence/ foreign policy impossible.

Of course the USA was acting in its own interests. Kissinger: the USA doesn’t have allies, it has interests. All countries engage in Machiavellian games. Putin fell for it. He walked right into the trap and now is far worse off. He didn’t have to take the bait. He chose to respond in the way he did. All people and nations are confronted with those choices. Making the smart choice, thinking ahead, is something Putin didn’t do. Now he has to contend with so many more problems than before. NATO never needed Ukraine to attack Russia. NATO could take out the Russian air force in a fortnight, the navy is virtually non-existent, the tanks are crap, the only thing in its favour is huge numbers of cannon fodder, outstanding air defense capability, and nukes. He had nothing to gain by invading and has seriously damaged Russia. They played him like a fool.

JC
JC
August 9, 2023 12:38 am

RAND is simply part of the US military-industrial complex. You weaken Europe to maintain it within the US’s foreign policy orbit rather than heading off on its own, etc.

Europe never needed the US possess suspicions about Russia. That’s been going on for centuries.

It’s a Swedish news site.

What type of site? Is it a news site like a Swedish version of Reuters, News.com, WSJ? What is it, as I have never heard of it.

Also, of all the places a major story could be exposed about the Rand and US intentions toward Europe etc comes out of Sweden? Color me skeptical.

JC
JC
August 9, 2023 12:46 am

The European Union’s economy, it states, “will inevitably collapse” as a result of this, and its authors rejoice in the fact that, among other things, resources of up to $9 billion will flow back to the United States, and well-educated young people in Europe will be forced to emigrate.

US$9 billion? According to this site, the US would be overjoyed about a European collapse that in reality would end up costing the US trillions in almost every facet of the US economy. And get this the US would enjoy a flow back of US$9 billion dollars?

This is written by a freaking amateur who isn’t even trying. An amount of US$9 billion dollars flowing back to the US is an atom compared to an elephant when talking about things of this nature.

JC
JC
August 9, 2023 12:52 am

Of course the USA was acting in its own interests. Kissinger: the USA doesn’t have allies, it has interests.

Undoubted, and the governing American premise from WW2 to the present has been that it is in the US interest to maintain a peaceful co-existent world in order to pursue prosperity. It’s been the harbinger of US international policy for decades

All countries engage in Machiavellian games. Putin fell for it.

Putin fell for a lot of things as a result of his megalomania.

He walked right into the trap and now is far worse off.

A trap he set of himself.

He didn’t have to take the bait. He chose to respond in the way he did. All people and nations are confronted with those choices. Making the smart choice, thinking ahead, is something Putin didn’t do. Now he has to contend with so many more problems than before. NATO never needed Ukraine to attack Russia. NATO could take out the Russian air force in a fortnight, the navy is virtually non-existent, the tanks are crap, the only thing in its favour is huge numbers of cannon fodder, outstanding air defense capability, and nukes. He had nothing to gain by invading and has seriously damaged Russia. They played him like a fool.

Honest question, are you being cynical or reading it like you see it with the above quote?

John H.
John H.
August 9, 2023 12:54 am

JC
Aug 9, 2023 12:38 AM

Also, of all the places a major story could be exposed about the Rand and US intentions toward Europe etc comes out of Sweden? Color me skeptical.

Color me skeptical as well. That outlet even published a piece arguing the West has already lost the war. It is very odd that a Swedish outlet and only that outlet has this leak. Computer says no.

https://nyadagbladet.se/debatt/usa-har-forlorat-sitt-proxykrig-i-ukraina/

The only alternative besides this guaranteed geopolitical defeat and the domestic American chaos that would follow is nuclear war. Knowing what I know about the U.S. government and its deep state puppets, this is still the most likely outcome. They would rather end humanity than admit defeat. The surviving elites in their nuclear bunkers will, of course, blame Russia.

About the debater
Kim Dotcom (né Schmitz), also known as Kimble, is a German-Finnish internet entrepreneur and political activist living in Glenorchy, New Zealand. He has nearly 1.5 million followers on Twitter.

JC
JC
August 9, 2023 12:58 am

Dover, you’re perfectly entitled to your opinion, but the article you linked to is ridiculous. For someone to suggest or even count US$9 billion flow back to the US as a result of European economic collapse and then leave out the trillions, literally trillions, in economic damage to both Europe and the US resulting from a collapse almost reads like a botched attempt by the Babylon Bee to make something funny. It’s just not credible and I don’t believe this came out of Rand.

John H.
John H.
August 9, 2023 1:04 am

Honest question, are you being cynical or reading it like you see it with the above quote?

I’m taking the purported RAND leak as being factual and taking it to the logical conclusion that Putin walked right into their trap.

I have my doubts about that. For all we know that leak could be series of speculations on what might happen. Think tanks are always dreaming up different scenarios. NATO was never a threat to Russia. The idea that the nukes in Ukraine would be so close to Moscow to be a new threat was pure propaganda. It doesn’t matter with nukes, the USA has more than enough boomers that could destroy Russia by releasing their nukes while under the ice. What’s a few hundred ks with an ICBM? Nuffin.

The USA\NATO didn’t need this war, the USA is largely energy independent and has little to gain by making Germany energy dependent on it. In fact it loses because a strong Germany is the critical component of NATO, without it there is no NATO. So I can see what you are getting at.

John H.
John H.
August 9, 2023 1:21 am

JC
Aug 9, 2023 12:58 AM
Dover, you’re perfectly entitled to your opinion, but the article you linked to is ridiculous. For someone to suggest or even count US$9 billion flow back to the US as a result of European economic collapse and then leave out the trillions, literally trillions, in economic damage to both Europe and the US resulting from a collapse almost reads like a botched attempt by the Babylon Bee to make something funny. It’s just not credible and I don’t believe this came out of Rand.

Thanks. 9 billion is ridiculous. A rubbish claim by an outlet that allows Kim Dotcom to express political opinions on their pages. Scraping the bottom of the barrel when that is put forward as credible.

JC
JC
August 9, 2023 1:21 am

No, that’s simply nonsense peddled by neocon pundits to misdirect. The problem of eastward expansion

This is made to sound ominous, in the sense that Europe has an expansionist mentality. But this would also necessitate a strong military. Europe is anything but strong militarily. The US has been complaining about these f..knuckles not spending enough on military for self defense for the longest time. Europe has been ambitious in its inclusivity and its so-called European ideals. It should have always remained at EU 9. But to have designs on the Ukraine in order to weaken and challenge Russia in some sort of objective to create an Empire. The Euroweenies? Don’t make me laugh.

John H.
John H.
August 9, 2023 1:27 am

Su-57: is it INVISIBLE

A beautiful aircraft. The most maneuverable aircraft ever built. I watched his other analyses of it and was surprised at how much technology it contains. Perhaps I have underestimated the potential of SU-57.

He is rather technical so for military tech nerds only. Probably the last of its kind. Earlier tonight I watched an Alex Hollings video about a hypersonic aircraft that a US firm will soon have a prototype ready to fly(next 2 years).

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 9, 2023 3:05 am

That allegedly Rand Corp document is obviously fake.

Tom
Tom
August 9, 2023 4:29 am
Tom
Tom
August 9, 2023 4:30 am
Tom
Tom
August 9, 2023 4:32 am
Tom
Tom
August 9, 2023 4:33 am
Tom
Tom
August 9, 2023 4:34 am
Tom
Tom
August 9, 2023 4:36 am
Tom
Tom
August 9, 2023 4:37 am
Tom
Tom
August 9, 2023 4:38 am
Tom
Tom
August 9, 2023 4:39 am
Tom
Tom
August 9, 2023 4:40 am
Tom
Tom
August 9, 2023 4:41 am
Tom
Tom
August 9, 2023 4:42 am
Johnny Rotten
August 9, 2023 4:57 am

Thank you Tom.

Razey
Razey
August 9, 2023 6:09 am

Why is it OK for the USA and Australia to invade other countries over made up BS but not OK for others. I suggest the West should shut up and go back to trying to work out what a woman is.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 9, 2023 6:27 am

Appreciate the ‘toons, Tom.

Zatara
Zatara
August 9, 2023 6:40 am

The Queering of Tudor History Continues Apace

Thanks to peering through this “Queer lens,” readers will doubtless find that their understanding of Tudor history has been deeply enriched.

Dot
Dot
August 9, 2023 6:42 am

Paleoanthropology is littered with mysteries and all too often people claiming to solve those are pulling ideas out of their asses.

Hey. There’s no real way of proving any of it unless someone can correlate dating of artefacts and remains together contemporaneously in multiple sites.

I agree, most of even the rational stuff is speculation.

Dot
Dot
August 9, 2023 6:51 am

Why is it OK for the USA and Australia to invade other countries over made up BS but not OK for others

A blanket statement like this will get nowhere fast.

The short answer is America and Australia haven’t annexed land since 1945, won out of a defensive war.

calli
calli
August 9, 2023 6:55 am

If only I had this ready reckoner at school.

That Titus Andronicus! Yikes!

calli
calli
August 9, 2023 7:01 am

Thank goodness we didn’t waste time visiting Portsmouth and the Mary Rose. The blood pressure would have popped a foofle valve.

Oddly enough, there was no Qwerty stuff at the Vasa Museum in Stockholm. Now that was worth a look.

132andBush
132andBush
August 9, 2023 7:18 am

Trump should retire from the race and endorse DeSantis.

The Rats want him to run because polls are showing them enough people can’t stand him to get whatever they throw up over the line.

Shapiro said it best yesterday. “If it becomes about Trump, he loses. If it becomes about Biden, he loses”

shatterzzz
August 9, 2023 7:21 am

Luv the fact that Luigi is calling for a public holiday if the Matildas win the Cup! .. never mind the economy or the mug business owners, big & small, who have to foot the bill ..
And of course, Ho Chi Minns is cheer-leading as his lust to be luvved getz more embarrassing .. FFS!
Wonder if anyone has told Luigi that Sam Kerr(which is what it is all about not us winning) ain’t a 251? ..
Thankfully it will all fizzzle on the weekend when the Matildas meet France ..
Winning a friendly is not the same as reputation(s) is at stake .. LOL!

Bonus .. Luigi dressed by Jodie for the fitba .. LOL!
https://ibb.co/CKx2ndV

shatterzzz
August 9, 2023 7:33 am

“our” ABC at it again .. you’d think “reporters” would understand that paying to go to the cinema involves all the cost(s) of running a business .. but know they are concerned that you pay the for entry same regardless of the “length” of the movie ..
Matybe abette rquestion would be why does “our” ABC garner a $1billion + a year of OPM when 90% of the folk suppoeting OPM don’t watch, listen or read the rubbish “our” ABC produces ……….. FFS!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-09/barbie-oppenheimer-cinema-ticket-prices/102703386

Cassie of Sydney
August 9, 2023 7:47 am

“The short answer is America and Australia haven’t annexed land since 1945, won out of a defensive war.”

The short answer is that the US, post World War II, has a history of invading, trashing and then doing a cowardly runner from the country it invaded, be it Vietnam or more recently, Afghanistan.

I remember the Saigon withdrawal debacle. Oh and further to the Afghanistan debacle, just twenty years after the US invaded, the Taliban take it back and young girls and adult women are once again forbidden to leave their homes without a male escort, and nine year old girls are sold off to fifty year old adult males. Just dandy, that’s what I call a positive outcome, let’s call it “Groundhog Taliban Day”. The short answer is that the US itself has engaged in too many wars where it should have stayed at home.

Now, I don’t like what’s happening in Ukraine, I don’t like the war, but I do know some history of the area, the fact that the Donbas region has always been predominantly ethnically Russian, and that Crimea was long part of Russia from the days of Catherine the Great until the 1950s, when the clown Kruschvov decided to hand it over to the Ukraine soviet, not ever thinking that one day the Soviet Union would cease to exist. And let’s not forget that the ongoing slaughter, since 2014, of ethnic Russians in the Donbas just might have made Putin and the Russians a little cross, nobody wants to talk about that. Also, perhaps, just perhaps, the malfeasance of the USA in Ukraine, under Obama and particularly the corrupt shenanigans of the Biden family in Ukraine, may well have bothered and infuriated Putin and the Russians. Just saying. Oh and gosh, Ukraine actually does border Russia, however last I looked at a world map neither Vietnam nor Afghanistan border the USA, unless there’s been some major tectonic plate movement over the last few years and I’ve missed something on a map. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, I doubt very much that the USA would tolerate similar on its own border.

The USA, under the venal Sniffer and his corrupt administration, is conducting a proxy war with Russia, with the aim of not just getting rid of Putin, but also to destabilise Russia for its own interests. Neither will happen, meanwhile Ukrainians, under the corrupt clown Zelensky, endure more hardship and suffer more. This war could have been resolved last year, but no, it suits Washington and the EU. Where are the calls for ceasefires and so on? Zilch, nada, nothing since February 2022. I find that odd, don’t you?

Cassie of Sydney
August 9, 2023 7:53 am

“Trump should retire from the race and endorse DeSantis.”

I agree.

Alamak!
August 9, 2023 7:56 am

“Trump should retire from the race and endorse DeSantis.”

+1

caveman
caveman
August 9, 2023 8:00 am

“Trump should retire from the race and endorse DeSantis.”

Trump should stay on track and fight , come this far why kneeel.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
August 9, 2023 8:05 am

He argued that Russia invaded Ukraine to save it from becoming morally degenerate like us. He put qualifications around that but it clearly is an appeal to his conservative and evangelical base.

It also avoids bringing attention to the CIA-backed maidan coup in 2014 and the erosion of Russia’s friendly neighbouring countries as a military buffer.

Supporting a war now, huh? Everything bad the prog left said about JBP is slowly becoming true over time. He jumped the shark in 2021.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 9, 2023 8:07 am

The f*ck’s wrong with you people?
Trump must win, and he must be seen to win.

Cassie of Sydney
August 9, 2023 8:15 am

“the USA is largely energy independent “

The USA WAS largely energy independent.

Pogria
Pogria
August 9, 2023 8:17 am

Wally Dali + 1,000

The US’ only chance of steering itself back to a semblance of what it once was is Trump. His winning will lay the groundwork for the ordinary American to take back their country.

De Santis is compromised. Since he threw his hat into the Presidential ring, he is no longer his own man.

Shapiro is a GIANT TWAT.

Roger
Roger
August 9, 2023 8:24 am

Fun fact courtesy the ABC:

More than 50% of GPs in Australia obtained their primary qualification overseas.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 9, 2023 8:28 am

His winning will lay the groundwork for the ordinary American to take back their country.
That’s my thinking. If he doesn’t win, it means a grassroots, small-donors and big rallies campaign cannot win against corporations, appointments and media lockouts.
It’s a man v Swamp, a man v Washington War Machine, a man v Big Brother. If he doesn’t win, then the U.S. as a land of liberty, opportunity and Christianity is probably dead.

Cassie of Sydney
August 9, 2023 8:28 am

There’s nothing wrong with appealing to conservative and evangelical bases.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 9, 2023 8:28 am

Labor’s poll numbers amongst certain Western Sydney demographics must be bad.

Left-Wing Australian Government Turns on Israel: Calls West Bank Settlements ‘Illegal’ (8 Jul)

ABC News reports Senator Wong told colleagues the government would claim the settlements were illegal and return to the position of “Occupied Palestinian Territories” in the future, outlining:

“In adopting the term, we are clarifying that the West Bank, including East Jerusalem and Gaza, were occupied by Israel following the 1967 War, and that the occupation continues.”

Opposition Liberal MP Julian Lesser slammed the alteration in language.

“This decision will not help a two-state solution on the ground, it will only embolden and please organisations that we in this country have listed as terrorist organisations, like Palestinian Islamic Jihad,” he said.

I suspect that’s the idea. People of no describable ethnicity or religion aren’t likely to like woke-progressivism, with qwerties and First Nations higher on the totem pole than they are, so Labor needs a squirrel for them to get excited about.

Cassie of Sydney
August 9, 2023 8:30 am

“The US’ only chance of steering itself back to a semblance of what it once was is Trump. His winning will lay the groundwork for the ordinary American to take back their country.”

I don’t disagree, it’s just that the violence we saw in 2020 will be akin to little flames compared to the violence of bonfires we will see in 2024 if Trump wins the GOP nomination.

Vicki
Vicki
August 9, 2023 8:31 am

I am an admirer of De Santis. He is, as far as politicians can be, a man of integrity in respect to his commitment to democratic values. And he is a family man in the traditional sense. And he stood tall during the pandemic against the prescriptive rule of the medical technocrats.

But I can’t see that he can prevail and rescue the presidency. Maybe the US is in such dire straits that only an outlier like Trump can inspire a nation to spit upon those who would take away the liberties fought for by their forefathers. Who knows? I wish them well because the US represents so much of the ideals of liberty and the sanctity of freedom that their survival is paramount for the rest of us.

Cassie of Sydney
August 9, 2023 8:32 am

Maybe it’s my morning skepticism but I think that grassroots, small-donors and big rallies have already lost against corporations, appointments and media lockouts.

The ship has sailed.

Roger
Roger
August 9, 2023 8:33 am

Australian super funds are writing down their CBD office holdings by 10%-15% as working from home becomes entrenched.

Crossie
Crossie
August 9, 2023 8:34 am

Pogria
Aug 9, 2023 8:17 AM
Wally Dali + 1,000
The US’ only chance of steering itself back to a semblance of what it once was is Trump. His winning will lay the groundwork for the ordinary American to take back their country.
De Santis is compromised. Since he threw his hat into the Presidential ring, he is no longer his own man.
Shapiro is a GIANT TWAT.

Pogria, I was about to say something similar but you said it best.

I’m amazed by people whose opinions I otherwise value having this huge Trump blind spot. DeSantis cannot win simply because Republican voters don’t trust him as they do Trump. Finally, whether Trump wins or loses will depend on the extent of election fraud.

Vicki
Vicki
August 9, 2023 8:38 am

Cassie, you are right in your fears. I really thought that a general uprising involving the Vets of the many OS war arenas would erupt after the last election. The reluctance of the working class of America to endorse a civil war prevented that, and the so called insurrection in the occupation of the Capitol was in fact a demonstration of that patriotism.

My historical sense says that the Republicans and the sinister forces supporting them have gone too far.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 9, 2023 8:44 am

Rita Panahi urging the SFLs to become, you know, conservative and not Labor Lite:

Feckless faux-conservative politicians across the country have an important lesson to learn from the Voice debate. They can either listen exclusively to “progressive” media hacks telling them to lurch further Left and thereby make themselves unelectable against genuinely Leftist Labor-Green parties or alternatively Coalition MPs can win by finding their principles and giving the electorate a clear choice at the ballot box.

Whether the battleground is economic policies, net zero or cultural issues such as the trans agenda, conservatives are on solid ground when they stand up for core principles instead of trying to appease their ideological opponents.

For close to a year, as Peter Dutton’s Liberals sat on their hands, it looked like the “yes” vote would prevail. Polls showed two in three Australians were planning to vote yes to enshrine an Indigenous voice in the Constitution. Leftwing thinktank the Australia Institute published a poll on July 31 last year showing support for the “yes” camp increasing further with only one in six Australians saying they would vote no in the referendum. That was largely due to the fact that for months the Liberal Party failed to oppose the race-based referendum, leaving it to the Nationals and minor parties to advocate the no case.

Back then there were plenty of premature celebrations among the “yes” advocates, including Labor Party operative, lobbyist and RedBridge pollster Kos Samaras who tweeted: “Yes will win and win hands down”.

On the weekend, after his own polling company’s figures showed the “yes” vote losing in every state, he compared the no vote to Brexit, writing “this is what we have been warning about for months”. (except for the premature celebration)

The latest RedBridge poll also showed that when exposed to the arguments of the yes and no camps, the no vote increased further, with one in four people who were leaning towards supporting the referendum switching their vote to no.

In less than a month we’ve had three major polls showing the “yes” vote floundering and on trajectory to lose in all states. You can be sure that would not be the case if the Liberals ran dead on the issue like they have on so many other consequential fights.

Conservatives must learn to articulate their values and engage in the ideological debate; only then will they give the electorate a reason to support them. We already have Leftist options, what we need is mainstream conservatives who stand for something.

Crossie
Crossie
August 9, 2023 8:45 am

Cassie of Sydney
Aug 9, 2023 8:30 AM
“The US’ only chance of steering itself back to a semblance of what it once was is Trump. His winning will lay the groundwork for the ordinary American to take back their country.”

I don’t disagree, it’s just that the violence we saw in 2020 will be akin to little flames compared to the violence of bonfires we will see in 2024 if Trump wins the GOP nomination.

They can go ahead with that tactic and see how many Democrat voters are turned off by the chaos and stay home rather than vote while inspiring republicans and independent to vote in greater numbers.

I don’t think violence and bonfires worked for them the last time either, Tump increased his vote from 2016. That’s why vote counting in six states was shut down on election day to allow time to manufacture more Biden votes.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 9, 2023 8:45 am

Paging a Mz Tash Peterson, is there a Tash Peterson in the building?

Want Fries with That? Beyond Meat’s Sales Plunge as Consumers Reject Vegan Alternative (8 Jul)

Vegan food maker Beyond Meat has seen its sales crash by almost a third as consumers reject its hyper-processed, plant-based products despite substantial price cuts and claims its customers can “positively affect the planet.”

Brown said Beyond Meat has reached out to some of its competitors to discuss working together on ads that would help change negative perceptions about veganism.

Like the Extinction Rebellion gluers-to-things the vegan activists are causing blowback. Maybe Yes activists could also take note that being obnoxious and nasty just turns people off.

Vicki
Vicki
August 9, 2023 8:45 am

Cassie – also agree with your assessment of the Ukraine debacle. I somehow doubt that the events would have similarly played out under a Trump presidency. The Biden family involvement in Ukraine had always been the flag that media commentators have ignored. It seems to me that old Cold War memes have blinded many to the actual facts.

Rosie
Rosie
August 9, 2023 8:47 am

What is stopping Australian universities offering more domestic places for medicine?
The cut off for places is arbitrary, the demand for places is there, countries like India are churning out doctors, what is the problem?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 9, 2023 8:48 am

“Trump should retire from the race and endorse DeSantis.”

For those of you in Perth, that sound you hear is a caravan salesman exploding.
This blog is off the pace.

Roger
Roger
August 9, 2023 8:49 am

Mushroom fancier’s husband spent three weeks in ICU last year where he nearly died from “serious gut problems”.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
August 9, 2023 8:50 am

That purported RAND leak may not be legit – but I think we all know the strategy it outlines has the ring of truth to it.

Desantis was a stand up guy during COVID, no question, but he is now a creature of the GOP machine and they will only throw the base the least they think they can get away with. We know they don’t actually care if they win or lose. Trump remains the only way to level the table, everyone else is just varying degrees of slippery slope.

Rosie
Rosie
August 9, 2023 8:51 am

really thought that a general uprising involving the Vets of the many OS war arenas would erupt after the last election.

Really?
I think genuine conservative folks don’t start killing people because they don’t like election results, even crooked ones.
It’s their children in the police and military they’d be uprising against, btw.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 9, 2023 8:52 am

Roger

Aug 9, 2023 8:33 AM

Australian super funds are writing down their CBD office holdings by 10%-15% as working from home becomes entrenched.

That is just the beginning.

Johnny Rotten
August 9, 2023 8:55 am

Australian super funds are writing down their CBD office holdings by 10%-15% as working from home becomes entrenched.

CBUS Super will get hammered as they have a high percentage of Assets invested in Commercial Property – Listed and Unlisted. The Listed Commercial Property should have already been revalued by the Market accordingly.

Dot
Dot
August 9, 2023 8:57 am

Neither will happen, meanwhile Ukrainians, under the corrupt clown Zelensky, endure more hardship and suffer more. This war could have been resolved last year, but no, it suits Washington and the EU. Where are the calls for ceasefires and so on? Zilch, nada, nothing since February 2022. I find that odd, don’t you?

Where’s the evidence Z man is corrupt (or more than usual)? He agreed with Trump about the Biden’s meddling in Ukie affairs! Remember how the D’rats tried to gaol Trump over this? He’s sacked others over their alleged corruption. He has potential greatness (TM).

I do find the lack of calls for ceasefires odd. The war could end with a couple of phone calls. There is nothing stopping third-party states with little interest in the conflict from providing security forces and overseeing nationality plebiscites. Saint Z and Pukin’ are both responsible for this intransigence.

Putin wants an empire. It’s pretty simple, regardless of the layers of justification and valid America bashing (increasingly valid from 1953 onwards) that can be laid on.

[Let’s be clear here and blame the hawks and CIA more than America and its military generally – but with balance: the Cold War was the greatest threat to the West ever however these two-bit clandestine things usually went sideways very badly].

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 9, 2023 9:00 am

Roger

Aug 9, 2023 8:49 AM

Mushroom fancier’s husband spent three weeks in ICU last year where he nearly died from “serious gut problems”.

I hope you’re not Chamberlaining?
Curried sausages?

Dot
Dot
August 9, 2023 9:00 am

Mushroom fancier’s husband spent three weeks in ICU last year where he nearly died from “serious gut problems”.

Uh oh…incoming feminist shipping about a history of abuse.

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