Open Thread – Thurs 10 Aug 2023


Boulevard de la Madeleine, Edouard Cortes, early 1900s

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cohenite
August 10, 2023 12:39 pm

The order to establish the NIAA; it’s the screech!

calli
calli
August 10, 2023 12:40 pm

Carlton is just a grotty old man. Senility is nipping at his heels, and indecent exposure is one of the symptoms, as is the angry “f* off” when challenged.

Mike being Mike just doesn’t cut it. It’s a public beach.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 10, 2023 12:42 pm

Don’t want to do the time? Don’t do the crime.

That’s a post colonial point of view!

Razey
Razey
August 10, 2023 12:47 pm

Central Queensland University accused by Institute of Public Affairs of banning ‘disagreement with Indigenous Australians’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12390965/Central-Queensland-University-accused-institute-public-affairs-banning-disagreeing-Indigenous-Australians.html

duncanm
duncanm
August 10, 2023 12:48 pm

The order to establish the NIAA; it’s the screech!

Exactly

(e) specify the functions of the National Indigenous Australians Agency be as follows:

..
v. to build and maintain effective partnerships with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, state and territory governments and other relevant stakeholders to inform whole-of-government priorities for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, and enable policies, programs and services to be tailored to the unique needs of communities;

If that’s not the ‘intention’ of the voice per. the screaming harpies, then I don’t know what is.

.. and if the NIAA isn’t doing its job, roots and branch reform or disband it!

duncanm
duncanm
August 10, 2023 12:49 pm

Mike being Mike just doesn’t cut it. It’s a public beach.

someone down there needs to report him to the coppers. What a dirty old perve.

Pogria
Pogria
August 10, 2023 12:50 pm

Although I am loathe to give Carlton any support, he was absolutely right about the BumFluff sheila not deserving the Australian of the Year Award.

Rosie
Rosie
August 10, 2023 12:57 pm

I love the Daily Mail.
It’s doing everything in its power to firm up support for the Perpetually Offender Voice.

Real Deal
Real Deal
August 10, 2023 12:59 pm

Carlton is a classic case of youthful wit and charm not carrying through to dotage. Just another cranky old fart. The Joe Biden of the media.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 10, 2023 1:01 pm

Thanks for posting that ZK2A @11:36

Yes. That is a pretty powerful speech by Abbott. It deserves a very wide audience. It nails in summary the key issues of wokeness that are riling people and it is particularly good at the end, asking and then outlining what sort of place would Australia be if if hadn’t been settled by the British.

Give a copy to every whinging urban fauxboriginal.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 10, 2023 1:02 pm

From the Hun…….

Most of us believe drinking water is good for us, and aim to drink as much as possible.

But the case of US woman Ashley Summers, who died after drinking almost two litres of water, has prompted concerns and confusion about safe consumption levels.

The 35-year-old mum began to feel dehydrated and subsequently drank four bottles of water in 20 minutes.

A short time later, she was admitted to hospital, and later died from what doctors called water toxicity.

So, how much water should we be drinking and how do we prevent water intoxication?

Shoulda stuck to beer girl. That’s less than 3 long necks – and they’re about 94% water.

I’ve seen blokes manage that in 20 minutes though I wouldn’t recommend it.

Lysander
Lysander
August 10, 2023 1:06 pm

Elbow will meet Creepy Joe in the US in October.

Can you imagine a more inane meeting?

slackster
slackster
August 10, 2023 1:08 pm

Fun little trick getting people to short circuit whenever the trans movement is talked about positively is just by asking why their flag uses the baby blue and baby pink colours?

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 10, 2023 1:08 pm

will it really look like a rat peering through a toilet brush

If this is it why yes, yes it will . with a touch of the Exorcist about it

Miltonf
Miltonf
August 10, 2023 1:09 pm

Yes the trash that is the modern political class.

calli
calli
August 10, 2023 1:09 pm

A test for Carlton apologists…

What if it was Tony Abbott strutting his stuff on Whale Beach?

calli
calli
August 10, 2023 1:13 pm

Tinta! It looks like one of those things they make cheap jigsaws from!

I’d love to get a copy and put light-up red eyes on it. And a voice box which bleats “programmatic specificity”. You could use it as a prank doorbell.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 10, 2023 1:14 pm

Interesting conundrum, over on News.com., from an article on the Voice.

C
3 hours ago
I would like a consensus vote on the following situation, you can comment a reply or give a thumbs up (since there isn’t a thumbs down) if you feel that it shouldn’t be allowed to occur.

My great grandmother was raped at 16 and the resulting child from that event had my grandparent 20 years later, they in turn had my parent 18 years later who had me when they were 23, I am now 18. The event took place 79 years ago. An ancestry DNA tree has found the direct link to the person who perpetrated that rape. Should I be able to take a civil case against the direct descendants of that perpetrator since the perpetrator passed away 10 years ago?

shatterzzz
August 10, 2023 1:14 pm

Skilled migrants .. keep ’em coming .. LOL!

https://t.me/zoomerwaffen08/261

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 10, 2023 1:15 pm

Know your limitations. If you are sh*t at swimming, don’t go in … simple to say.

Horrible for all involved.

The Most Emotional Rescue

Miltonf
Miltonf
August 10, 2023 1:15 pm

So many of these strident, abusive leftists went to snotty nosed skools. Proves that so much of leftism is really class warfare.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 10, 2023 1:16 pm

? just for you Real Deal. This is the first emoji I’ve done. It wasn’t painful at all.

Kneel
Kneel
August 10, 2023 1:21 pm

“…A fully electrified, energy-efficient home with solar panels, battery and electric cars could save its owners $3500 a year by 2030 and $4320 by 2050…”

The unstated assumptions being:
1) that renewables are cheaper than fossil fueled sources;
2) that the electricity price will not rise as demand rises and supply is unable to keep up.

1 is observably incorrect – everywhere renewables have started to displace fossil fuels, they have only done so via punitive wealth transfer schemes, and the cost to consumers has increased markedly (often doubling or more). See not just Australia, but in Europe (Germany, Spain, the UK,…) and the USA.

2 is incorrect, both on the obvious economic facts of supply and demand, together with a simple extrapolation of current trends in network “spinning reserve” and other grid data, which indicate that the supply is already close to being over-stretched, even before thousands (millions?) of EVs need charging (which can easily double or even triple the required supply in GW/h).

They haven’t just built a house of cards, they’ve built it on a beach below the high tide line, and a cyclone is approaching. It won’t just collapse, it’ll be nearly unrecoverably strewn hither and yon, and it will take years, if not decades, to put it back in reliable working order. And these morons are saying it’ll be fine as long as we add a few paper clips to strengthen it a bit.

One has to wonder – are these people obscenely ignorant, or unrepentantly evil? Could anyone be that evil? At least as hard to imagine as anyone being that ignorant, yet I can see no other explanation than those two.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 10, 2023 1:22 pm

I’ve just been sorting out some of my jewellery as presents for my two little grand-daughters. Two necklaces, one a diamond and tourmaline pendant set in silver on a silver chain, to ‘go with’ the glittery traditional Disney Cinderella figure and her blue ballgown I’m giving her, and one a chain of solid gold with a round gold pendant, more simple in design, to ‘go with’ the traditional Disney Snow White and her golden skirt. I used to love these Disney renditions so much as a child from pictures alone, making them in plasticine for myself.

I gave both granddaughters little red and green bauble necklaces to wear at Christmas, for fun, not their big present. My eldest aged eight then sidled up to me and said breathlessly and secretly, very bold to ask, ‘Grandma, are these real?’. I had to say no, but now I will tell them these are definitely ‘real’. We were talking to my son-in-law when he was down from Brisbane recently about the girls inheriting my jewellery, and he suggested the grandsons would like a piece each too, for any future wives, or as a memento and that I should photograph and nominate pieces. Made me think some of it could be given over now, or soon, each year.

Hairy said to pick up something for our little grandson too, as he’s nearly three and can’t be left out of course. I bought him a little toy doggie and a carry case, which is a smaller version of what the girls got for Christmas. Hairy looked at it and with visions of trucks and trains or action men figures and said is that good for a boy?

Of course it is, I said. Why should he have to borrow his sisters’ dogs?
But he’s sowed the seed of doubt. Is this too sissy??

johanna
johanna
August 10, 2023 1:25 pm

In Le Carre’s A Perfect Spy there is an episode about a national election (in the UK), where the protagonist’s father was standing as a candidate. One of his opponents was a young fellow with wild red hair, and matching full beard and mo.

He was described as looking like ‘a mouse peering out of a dead bear’s bum.’

The book was published in 1986.

I suspect that variants have been around for a long time.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 10, 2023 1:25 pm

Shatterzz that’s funny. Place I worked the guys pranked each other all the time. Bloke up a ladder with drill. One bloke holing the ladder. Signalled another to turn the power off and on every time the bloke goes to drill it stops. He’s wrggling the cord around but the drill keeps going. Soon as starts to drill, it stops. Much hilarity.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 10, 2023 1:28 pm

Another variant is a weasel looking out of the rushes. The person concerned was the spitting image.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 10, 2023 1:30 pm

Tony Heller:

It is impossible to keep up with the barrage of climate propaganda coming from the press and politicians, but here are a few of my favorite stories from this week.

Climate Fakery Part 22

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 10, 2023 1:30 pm

Should I be able to take a civil case against the direct descendants of that perpetrator since the perpetrator passed away 10 years ago?

As we are on family matters, NO. The sins of the fathers cannot be brought down upon the child even to the tenth generation, as some older scriptures claimed. This sort of crisis is themed in that interesting Israeli series ‘The Beauty Queen of Jerusalem’. The father has an illegitimate son to a woman of a very strict Jewish sect (the curly ringlets one) and the son is forbidden to marry unless to a fellow ‘bastard’ female, but he falls in love elsewhere. A scholar finds a wise way around this. Additionally, the mother in the series is raped by an unknown Arab during an anti-Jewish riot, and she falls pregnant. The father, the one who has an illegitimate son whom he never sees, grapples with his conscience and accepts the child of the rape to bring up as his own Jewish daughter.

The past is sometimes best left in the past.

Rabz
August 10, 2023 1:31 pm

Following news above that the ALP National Conference is almost upon us, here’s the legendary Infidel Tigger:

“I’ve got more hands in my pockets than a rent boy at an ALP Conference.”

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 10, 2023 1:32 pm

Grandson’s birthday yesterday. 3, I sang him happy birthday over the phone. Not sure who was happiest.

Rabz
August 10, 2023 1:33 pm

I thought it was Tim Blair who first made the observation about Kevni the rat peering through the dunny bush.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 10, 2023 1:33 pm

In that series, he grows to love his ‘cuckoo’ child very dearly. As is right and proper.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 10, 2023 1:33 pm

Elbow will meet Creepy Joe in the US in October.

Ha!

Elbow will be trying to play it up – him, a nobody from a housing commission home who has fought and clawed his way up to share the stage with the leader of the free world.

Then there would be Biden shuffling confusedly around he stage, pausing briefly and extending his hand when he thinks he recognises someone or something before giving up. When he is finally guided next to Elbo he will mangle his name: “My good friend Andrew Albany, who has come from Austria. I remember…I remember another guy from Austria when I was a kid…he was a bad dude. Adolph Albany, and he made friends with the Italians, and, and…whatever.”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 10, 2023 1:35 pm

The obvious fact that the sanctions imposed on Russia have failed to achieve their aims is starting to become the mainstream view.

It’s therefore a good time to ask why this is, and what it says about the competency and strategic planning of Western political leadership.

First, to understand the scale of the failure, it’s important to define the original goals of the sanctions — or at least what Western leaders hoped they would achieve.

In the third week of February 2022, US President Joe Biden said that “As a result of these unprecedented sanctions, the ruble almost is immediately reduced to rubble,” and push the Russian economy from being the 11th biggest in the world to outside the top 20.

The UK Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary variously said that sanctions would take “the wheels off the Russian war machine,” and “hobble” its economy.

The EU said that sanctions were designed to erode “sharply Russia’s economic base.”

Clearly, the sanctions, which were indeed unprecedented in size and scope, were meant to damage the Russian economy to such an extent that Moscow would be unable to continue its war against Ukraine (and perhaps even lead to regime change).

Many experts agreed, forecasting a catastrophic effect on the Russian economy. The Institute of Financial Studies predicted a 15% fall in GDP. A Yale study went even farther, arguing that Russia had lost foreign business presence in the country that accounted for 40% of its GDP, and that there was “no path out of economic oblivion for Russia.”

Instead, Russian GDP declined only 2.1% in 2022, a mild recession by emerging market standards. This year, the IMF expects the Russian economy to return to growth, and indeed outperform the economies of Germany, Britain and France.

Clearly, therefore, sanctions have failed.

But why?

The most obvious reason was a fundamental misunderstanding of the size, development and importance of the Russian economy.

The idea that Russia was “a gas station with nukes,” had sunk into the Western received wisdom to such an extent that even usually thoughtful intellectuals like Yuval Noah Harari appeared to believe it.

Meanwhile, former US President Barack Obama said that “Russia doesn’t make anything,” while the idea that Russia’s economy was “about the size of Italy’s” was commonplace, adding to the sense that Russia would be an economic pushover.

It is true that in nominal terms Russia’s economy was only a little larger than Italy’s before the beginning of the Ukraine conflict (chart below).

But is that a reasonable measure of an economy? Probably not. Nominal GDP simply uses current national currency exchange rates with the dollar to compare one nation with another. It thus fails to capture real purchasing power & inflation.

Purchasing Power Parity measurements of GDP seek to remedy this, and in the chart below, we see that Russia’s GDP PPP is far more better compared to *Germany’s* than it is to Italy’s.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 10, 2023 1:37 pm

I see my emoji didn’t reproduce. I must still be a virgin in that case.

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
August 10, 2023 1:40 pm

in sum, probably somewhere between 28,326,000 and 126,891,000 people were killed by the Communist Party of the soviet Union from 1917 to 1987; and a most prudent estimate of this number is 61,911,000.

Should we be tracking down the descendants of all the victims of communism and asking for reparations from the current adherents of this ideology? Thomas Mayo for example?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 10, 2023 1:42 pm

Elbow will meet Creepy Joe in the US in October.

Actually, isn’t October Referendum Season?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 10, 2023 1:43 pm

Western Sanctions Not Impacting Russian Economy as Much as Expected

August 9, 2023 – Sundance

I have been researching the MACRO economic dynamic in Russia quite deeply for the past six months.

Essentially looking to discover not only what impact the western imposed sanctions might be having, but more broadly looking to see what happens to self-sustainability when essentially locked out from the world of commercial imports.

The research is fascinating, not simply because it is a unique opportunity, but also because national economic issues play a big role in the overall social dynamic.

That said, I can say the social aspect is stunningly more interesting than the data driven outcomes. When you really dig deep into actual life of the ordinary people in Russia, far away from the geopolitical contexts, you get an entirely different perspective.

My worldview of the average Russian person/family has completely changed.

There is a really good thread on how the western sanctions against Russia are having a much lesser impact than initially thought [SEE HERE].

On the economic side, one thing I would point to is how the economy is essentially an outcome of two facets:

(1) the internal production strength, and (2) the service side of the ledger.

Indeed, as the timeline of the sanctions closes in on the second year completing, the Russian production economy is even stronger than when the sanctions began. Quite simply, they are making even more of their own goods now.

The sanctions hit what would typically fall into the service side of the economy, as well as financial and economic roadblocks.

However, that aspect of the Russian economy was much smaller than most suspected and there were sanctions going back to 2014 which made the outcome of the 2022 western imposed restrictions less impactful.

I will be finishing my review of the economic data once Q3 is over, that will give me an entire year of data to share. However, the social stuff is even more fascinating.

I have a new understanding of why former NSA contractor Edward Snowden was so comfortable using Russia as the place to hide after his release of classified intelligence showing how the U.S. government was spying on Americans via social media and metadata collection.

I have mostly been looking at three areas in Eastern Russia. Kazan, Moscow and St Petersburg (formerly Leningrad). Of the three generally large metropolitan areas, St Petersburg is by far the most interesting. It’s beautiful there and the city is alive and vibrant.

In many ways you might compare Russia in 2023 to the USA in/around 1988. Life is just not complicated and far more socially engaged.

areff
areff
August 10, 2023 1:43 pm

I have collected and eaten wild mushrooms for forty years. Never been sick.

I haven’t played there for a while, but the par-3 seventh hole at Westgate Golf Course had magnificent mushrooms all around the green. After picking a bunch of them I mentioned the windfall while enjoying a post-round adult beverage, and such looks of horror! I was assured I would die, and then told the greenskeeper would be sent to destroy them.

They were delicious, by the way.

If you stick with the flat-topped white ones with brown or pink gills, you’re safe as houses.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 10, 2023 1:44 pm
Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 10, 2023 1:52 pm

will it really look like a rat peering through a toilet brush
If this is it why yes, yes it will . with a touch of the Exorcist about it

You can see why flattering portrait painters have been court favorites since time immemorial. In the flesh, Rudd looks like an a small, perpetually angry, but well-stuffed sack of shit – and certainly not a graceful, composed, (perhaps slightly louche), power figure.

Real Deal
Real Deal
August 10, 2023 1:55 pm

I appreciate the sentiment, Ranga.

Lysander
Lysander
August 10, 2023 1:57 pm

John Anderson for PM!!!!

https://thecurrencylad.com/2023/08/09/on-principle/

CL (who doesn’t call for this) has a great post on the great man.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 10, 2023 2:06 pm

John Stossel:

Climate alarmists insist there’s a “scientific consensus” that says climate change is a crisis, and man causes it! Researcher Judith Curry tells me, “it’s a manufactured consensus.”

Curry was a department chair at Georgia Tech when she spread alarm about climate change.

The media loved her then. She claimed there was an increase in hurricane intensity.

But then some researchers pointed out gaps in her research: years with low levels of hurricanes.

“Like a good scientist, I went in and investigated.”

When she acknowledged a lack of evidence that hurricane intensity had increased, she was ruthlessly attacked by climate alarmists. Her career suffered.

Now Curry reveals nefarious ways “the science” about climate change has been corrupted.

Judith Curry: How Climate “Science” Got Hijacked by Alarmists

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
August 10, 2023 2:07 pm

I see my emoji didn’t reproduce. I must still be a virgin in that case.

Same state as Snow whites hymen.

Dented but not defeated. (pre Prince Charming)

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 10, 2023 2:12 pm
The Beer Whisperer
The Beer Whisperer
August 10, 2023 2:16 pm

Elbow will meet Creepy Joe in the US in October.

Can you imagine a more inane meeting?

They can swap girl notes, Thai and actual.

Lysander
Lysander
August 10, 2023 2:25 pm

DB,
I do love Baris’ polling and his on-ground work which should give more granular details than phone polls which are becoming increasingly unreliable due to mobiles and people saying they live in places they don’t etc..

But, unfortunately, his mid-term predictions were WAY off (which makes me a little skeptical)…

Lysander
Lysander
August 10, 2023 2:27 pm

Sorry, I should emphasise a little skeptical – not entirely given similar results from other outlets…

P
P
August 10, 2023 2:27 pm

Spiritual healing for wounded veterans

Patron of a major Catholic hospital project Sir Peter Cosgrove has praised the spiritual element of healthcare as most needful, in a fast-changing society where many people are being left behind.

The former governor-general and head of the Australian Defence Force unveiled a new wellness centre at St John of God Hospital in Richmond on 3 August for the mental health care of military veterans and first responders.

Sir Peter told The Catholic Weekly that as a former soldier he had known many people affected by PTSD and described it as a powerful but often silent and invisible injury. “I’ve heard the testimonies of St John of God clients who are struggling with post traumatic outcomes of many degrees, and to hear how their lives had become diminished by their condition was very moving,” he said.

“But then to hear and see the interactions they were having with the clinical experts here was just remarkable.”

As a Catholic he said he is “enormously proud” of the role of church’s role in healthcare.
“These days it’s the ethos rather than the staffing that is so resonant with Catholicism,” he said.

“But wherever that ethos remains strong then Catholic hospitals will be an incredibly important part of the national fabric of health care. “I have no doubt that the core of the morality of life-saving, life-affirming care in the Catholic part of the health system is as strong as ever it was.

“So I think with all of the challenges that modernity extends to the profound faith of Catholicism, there’s an invaluable area that is in health care. It clings to the purest motives of Christianity and Catholicism.”

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 10, 2023 2:31 pm

I discovered there is part of the Australian Constitution that makes the current charging of Tolls by the States illegal

You just know it’s the Magna Carta.

JC
JC
August 10, 2023 2:32 pm

House Judiciary GOP ??
@JudiciaryGOP

#BREAKING: Subpoenaed document reveals that the FBI Richmond Field Office coordinated with MULTIPLE field offices across the country to produce a memo targeting traditional Catholics as domestic terrorists

Wray previously said the actions were limited to “a single field office.”

You know, there’s the possibility he may not even know if his subordinates keep it from him. He’s ultimately responsible though. If you watch him in those hearings it really looks like the dickhead doesn’t know what’s going on half the time.

The only way to find out if he lied is to interrogate everyone from the douchebags who did the dirty work and then move up the ladder to see where it stops.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 10, 2023 2:33 pm

Donald Trump Is Still the One, Despite Indictments | Opinion

PETER ROFF , NEWSWEEK CONTRIBUTING EDITOR

Never mind the latest indictments. Or any that preceded them. Even though it came out before Donald Trump’s latest plunge into the judicial process, the most recent Siena College/New York Times poll suggests two things likely outcomes: that the former president will be the 2024 Republican presidential nominee and that he’s just as likely to win the general election as lose.

As to the nomination, Trump is campaigning like an incumbent.

His 2020 loss to Joe Biden may have looked decisive. But a shift of fewer than 50,000 votes in states like Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin would have put him back in the White House for a second term.

That should help put his lead in perspective. The race for the nomination is not, as it was in 2016, wide open. The field is likewise crowded but works to Trump’s advantage once again.

The Republicans who gather later this month for the first debate in Milwaukee will be talking about him even if he’s not on the stage with them.

For those challenging Trump for the nomination, that’s a tactical mistake. They should be talking about their vision for the future and what they would do in office—not what Trump did or might do.

Trump governed as he said he would. Biden has not.

In 2024, Trump and Biden will be running on their records.

Trump is proud of his. Biden, despite his recent embrace of the word “Bidenomics,” is not. He routinely tries to deflect attention from what his policies have done to the economy while exaggerating his accomplishments in critical areas like job creation.

With COVID in the rearview mirror, past performance gives Trump the edge on most questions regarding whether people are better off now than they were four years ago and which candidate for president they expect to help make them better off four years from now.

Trump’s first-term deficiencies can be glossed over by a commitment to do better.

If that doesn’t work out well, like “read my lips, no new taxes” and “if you like your health care, you can keep it,” most people will excuse a broken campaign promise if given a good enough reason.

On the other hand, Biden is locked into four more years of running the country as people feared Bernie Sanders would.

The polls say Americans care about climate change and want to keep the oceans from rising.

They’re just not willing to incur the costs Team Biden intends to impose in the name of doing so.

People vote on the economy.

Trump’s record on these issues outshines Biden’s in meaningful ways. Under Trump, the price of consumer goods was relatively stable. During Biden’s first 29 months in office, the Consumer Price Index rose 15.7 percent.

When Trump left office, the average rate for a 30-year mortgage was 2.7 percent. Under Biden, they’ve grown to just under 7 percent.

The price of gasoline, an economic benchmark for most Americans, is up by more than $1 precisely because of Biden’s energy policies.

Once again, in less than four years, America has gone from being a net energy producer to a net consumer of resources imported from parts of the world prone to political instability.

Trump did better with the economy. That matters. It is a primary reason why he is leading the pack in the race for the 2024 GOP nomination and why he’s a good bet to win a second term.

That’s not an endorsement. It’s a statement of fact.

Trump voters want relief from Washington’s taxes, regulations, and interference in many aspects of our lives.

For the second or maybe third time in a century, we are being taxed, spent, and regulated into oblivion.

Enough is enough—and tough times sometimes call for tough measures.

Jorge
Jorge
August 10, 2023 2:34 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Aug 10, 2023 1:33 PM
In that series, he grows to love his ‘cuckoo’ child very dearly. As is right and proper.

I think it was Pres Mitterrand who had a child with his mistress whom he loved dearly and insisted she be welcomed to family occasions. As he was dying he wanted her close to him in his last moments. Biden could learn a thing or two from such tenderness.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 10, 2023 2:34 pm

Rudd’s official portrait- 5 second review
He’s been given a jawline which he never had in real life, a la Gillard’s airbrushed XCO by Fantauzzi
Careful perspective of billionaire interior ruined by the desk edge under his arm
p.s. where’s his chess club gut?

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 10, 2023 2:36 pm

However, those who say they have witnessed his [Carlton’s]antics and seen him full-frontal describe it as a sight that’s hard to forget.

Erm, phrasing.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 10, 2023 2:37 pm

Special prize to whoever can identify the framed gilt certificate in the anodyne bookshelf
I’m guessing something French, by the four-word title

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 10, 2023 2:38 pm

I think this captures the essence of KRuddy better:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PguhkVG49To

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 10, 2023 2:39 pm

The Ron-mentum Continues… Circling the Drain

After firing almost half his staff, DeSantis just replaced his campaign manager.

But who’s got authority to handle the real problem: the candidate?

Trust me, a presidential candidate never wants to read these words: “In his third staff shakeup in less than a month…”

KevinM
KevinM
August 10, 2023 2:43 pm

OldOzzie
Aug 10, 2023 1:43 PM

Western Sanctions Not Impacting Russian Economy as Much as Expected

Sanctions work if directed against small nations with limited resources.
Aus, would be stuffed, at least for a while anyway.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 10, 2023 2:44 pm

Ten second review-
Rudd’s portrait is a very good likeness of Barry Jones.

Jorge
Jorge
August 10, 2023 2:48 pm

How is the Russian economy doing so well ? I mean, they don’t have any immigrants (well, apart from Edward Snowden and Kim Philby a while back).

Immigration makes Australia viable. Isn’t that right, economists ?

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 10, 2023 2:48 pm

Things not looking good for mushroom lady. Look I’m not saying you have to be a weirdo to live in rural Victoria, but it helps.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 10, 2023 2:50 pm

I suspect covered well up thread, but Credlin nails the Sleaze and cohorts about the lie of the A4 page.

Dutton should stand up in question time…..

“Mr Speaker, my question is to the Prime Minister.

In relation to the Ayers Rock Statement From The Heart.

How did he manage to squeeze 26 pages into one A4 page?”.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 10, 2023 2:50 pm

Rudd’s portrait is a very good likeness of Barry Jones.

Captured the inner supercilious w*nker?

Pogria
Pogria
August 10, 2023 2:52 pm

As a mushroom forager, I can add an extra tip for identifying “bad” mushies.
No matter how good the mushroom looks, if it has a “skirt”, DO NOT PICK.

Funny that, stay away from anything in skirts! As Calli wanted earlier, BAM!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 10, 2023 2:52 pm

Suddenly, Trump’s 2019 Ukraine Phone Call Looks Justified Holman Jenkins, WSJ

Impeaching a Trump Impeachment

New Hunter Biden details justify the infamous 2019 Ukraine phone call.

Let the partisan spittle fly, as it did during the first Trump impeachment. Who sacked Ukraine’s prosecutor general in 2016 and why? This question is back thanks to congressional testimony by former Hunter Biden partner Devon Archer.

Whatever happened, it wasn’t what Donald Trump said happened. It also wasn’t what Joe Biden said happened. His claim to have arranged the firing of prosecutor Viktor Shokin with an ultimatum to then-President Petro Poroshenko was just another Joe tall tale. Mr. Shokin’s dismissal came months later at the behest of several Western governments.

But Mr. Archer’s testimony puts the kibosh on the simple tale told by Trump partisans that Mr. Shokin was canned to protect Joe and Hunter Biden. According to Mr. Archer, Mr. Shokin was valued by Ukraine’s leadership precisely because he kept a lid on the long-running investigation of Burisma, a gas company on whose board Hunter sat.

This accords with my take at the time. Mr. Biden didn’t need to do anything. In fact, he was free, along with the European Union and other donors, to strike an anticorruption pose over Mr. Shokin because he knew Ukraine had every incentive to protect the Bidens.

Whatever the reason for the firing, it certainly wasn’t for the purpose of making trouble for Burisma.

If so, Democrats now only have to defend a Hunter business scam of peddling an “illusion of access,” as party spinmeisters are putting it. Joe only has to be excused for insouciantly abetting the illusion with a few restaurant stop-bys, a few speakerphone chats about the weather, and by lending Hunter the trappings of the White House, Air Force Two, etc.

That is, pending the failure of other evidence to pan out. Mr. Archer says that on one occasion at least, over drinks, Burisma founder Mykola Zlochevsky urged Hunter to “phone D.C.” on his behalf and Hunter did. An FBI informant says Mr. Zlochevsky claimed to have recorded calls with both Bidens and paid $10 million in bribes. The laptop evidence presents various complications too.

My working assumption all along, though, has been that Joe Biden wasn’t so dumb as to do anything when he knew Hunter could extract millions for doing nothing.

But there’s also political risk in the Justice Department’s stringing out a tax investigation to allow charges related to Hunter’s Burisma earnings to fall away due to the statute of limitations. Of Hunter’s several windfalls, his Burisma earnings most directly leveraged his father’s role, most directly link to a specific act by his father (the Shokin firing), and provide the most direct credence to Mr. Trump’s first impeachment defense, concerning his phone call to President Zelensky fishing for information about Biden dealings in Ukraine.

There’s some new news here. Mr. Trump may well have been informed by Attorney General William Barr about the Burisma insider who spoke to the FBI—which means Mr. Trump both can keep a secret and had a stronger foundation for his request to Mr. Zelensky, whose cooperation he sought in an FBI investigation that we now know was under way in response to the confidential informant’s testimony.

Hmmm.

The White House’s latest defense implicitly allows that Joe may have discussed business with Hunter but he wasn’t “in business” with Hunter.

Plenty of room to maneuver is permitted if the facts show Joe did everything and anything to facilitate Hunter’s “illusion of access” short of selling an official act or joining Hunter’s payroll.

Can Mr. Biden be re-elected despite all this? Yup, just as Mr. Trump can be elected from prison.

Silence reigns in Democratic circles, though, because it also increases the possibility that Mr. Biden will become “indisposed” and bow out of the race.

It occurs to some that Jack Smith, the Justice Department special counsel, is but the executor of a policy decision made elsewhere, telegraphed in the New York Times in April 2022, by Mr. Biden to run up the charges against Mr. Trump as part of his election strategy.

Mr. Biden plays dice with the country because he thinks Mr. Trump is the one GOP nominee he can defeat.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 10, 2023 2:54 pm

As of 1 March 2022, the departures board at Cairns Airport listed departure times for flights to Ayers Rock.

North Queenslanders don’t cop PC.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 10, 2023 3:03 pm

Captain Jason Chambers from the Cairns based reality TV show Below Deck Down Under has taken to social media to address the termination of two crew members following alleged sexual misconduct.

From the promos, it looks like sexual misconduct is the entire premise of the show.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 10, 2023 3:03 pm

North Queenslanders don’t cop PC.

Like Warren Entsch says, “No pooftas.”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 10, 2023 3:05 pm

KevinM
Aug 10, 2023 2:43 PM

OldOzzie
Aug 10, 2023 1:43 PM

Western Sanctions Not Impacting Russian Economy as Much as Expected

Sanctions work if directed against small nations with limited resources.

Aus, would be stuffed, at least for a while anyway.

We actually have a Oil Refinerary in

<strong>We have been proudly operating the Eromanga Oil Refinery, located in the small town of Eromanga approximately 1000 km west of Brisbane Australia since 1986.

The refinery produces high quality diesel fuels, heating oils and kerosene, as well as variety of speciality petroleum products for industrial uses.

Eromanga UMF, the main product of our refinery, is a highly specialised diesel mining fuel with the lowest exhaust gas particulates of any fuel currently available on the market.

We have loads of Gas sitting in the ground untapped in Victoria & NSW, and WW11 showed the inventiveness of Australia

Charcoal burning gas producer mounted on a car, used during World War II because of petrol shortage, Queensland, ca. 1942 [picture]

See also – https://duckduckgo.com/?q=australia+cars+run+on+coal+burning+methane+gas+during+ww11&iax=images&ia=images

We have loads of Coal & Minerals – unlimited food availability and Lithgow Arms showed our ability to produce weapons

If we had Nuclear Power we have no problems with Uranium

Might take a while to get going but we are totally capable of survival

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 10, 2023 3:09 pm

“No pooftas.”

New Bruce was told that at the University of Woolloomooloo 🙂

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 10, 2023 3:09 pm

How is the Russian economy doing so well ?

Oily stuff, like what we don’t do in case it offends Gaia.

India Scoops Up Cheapest Russian Oil Since Start Of Ukraine War (8 Aug)

The average cost of a barrel of Russian crude that landed at India’s ports in June was at $68.17, per data from India’s Ministry of Commerce and Industry cited by Bloomberg.

The price exceeds the $60 price cap set by the G7, but the cap does not include shipping.

Meanwhile, here:

NRMA report predicts Sydney fuel prices to see huge spike over next seven days with highest point of 234 cents per litre (Sky, 10 Aug)

Golly, how wonderful would it be if we could cash into such price spikes? Gaia would be pissed off though, although she doesn’t seem than unhappy with Russia.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 10, 2023 3:12 pm

More cowbell: DeSantis loses ‘Jeb!’ wing of Republican Party

Uh-oh. Now comes the “Let Ron be Ron” phase of the Incredible Sinking Ron DeSantis campaign.

Every failed campaign goes through this phase. It is as sure as admitting you are powerless over alcohol in the Alcoholics Anonymous 12-step program.

“Hi. My name is Ron. Let me be Ron.”

But for those of us who have studied more closely the tides and waves of political campaigns over the years, we know the “Let Ron be Ron” phase is something else altogether. It is otherwise known as “the kiss of death.”

This is the phase a campaign reaches after trying every other conceivable option to right the ship. The campaign is running out of money. Voters are not interested in the campaign.

Big donors are sweating.

The candidate is getting crabby.

The whimpering of the DeSantis campaign has not gone unnoticed, even among the most deranged of the anti-Trump “Republicans” who would rather vote for Dylan Mulvaney of Bud Light fame than Donald Trump.

Former Republican campaign operative Tim Miller, who put the exclamation point in the Jeb! Bush campaign back in 2016, posted a picture on the internet showing Mr. DeSantis speaking from the pit of a livestock auction in Iowa.

The green bleachers were as empty as the rafters.

It appeared there were more reporters and staffers at the event than actual supporters.

And the supporters who did show up looked deeply bored, probably checking their phones for the latest news about Donald Trump.

In very real terms, if Mr. DeSantis loses the Jeb! wing of the Republican Party — more like one wing feather these days — then his campaign is truly doomed.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 10, 2023 3:12 pm

Now Curry reveals nefarious ways “the science” about climate change has been corrupted.

The Science has corrupted science in two main ways:

• Using model outputs as ‘data’ for purposes other than checking the model; and

Conflating the concepts of risk and uncertainty – and presenting completely uncertain future outcomes with (subjectively assigned) probabilities (and sometimes even confidence intervals ffs) as though they have some sort of repeatable, scientific statistical basis.

This is science fraud. Every scientifically trained person knows this.

Thank you.
I’ll see myself out.

Lysander
Lysander
August 10, 2023 3:12 pm

BTW, what exactly where his mid-term predictions?

Unfortunately DB he predicted a red tidal wave as well as a Senate majority of at least 4 and a generation-long period of Republican congress domination.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 10, 2023 3:21 pm

Covered before but a reminder of one arm of the aboriginal industry that has an inVoice already. And about $3B budget and about 300 staff.

The National Indigenous Australians Agency (NIAA) is an Australian Government agency responsible for whole-of-government coordination of policy development, program design, and service delivery for Aboriginal Australians and Torres Strait Islander people, who are grouped under the term Indigenous Australians.

Created in July 2019, the Agency is responsible to the Minister for Indigenous Australians, Linda Burney and is an executive agency of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, replacing the Department’s Indigenous Affairs Group. The inaugural Chief Executive Officer is retired Vice Chief of the Defence Force, Ray Griggs. Jody Broun is set to take on a five year role as CEO from 14 February 2022.[1]

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 10, 2023 3:27 pm

Rosie

Aug 10, 2023 11:49 AM

An unkind mind might conjecture the mushrooms were dried for the purpose of disguise.

Quite so.
As I said yesterday, a lethal dose is cited as 30 grams, which is not a shovelful, but it is not miniscule amount of raw mushroom either.
Dehydration (which, incidentally, does not degrade the toxicity) makes it way easier to administer a lethal dose.
The odds are vanishingly small of this being cooked through something, resulting in effectively four people receiving a lethal dose and the fifth not so much as a case of wind.
….
Brew it up.
Set aside one serving.
Stir through powdered witch’s powder.
And dish up remaining four serves.

Brislurker
Brislurker
August 10, 2023 3:30 pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-16/tongan-volcano-impact-australian-weather/101978886

This was on the ABC re Tongan volcano. Be interesting to see how they talk now, if at all, about that view. The two hemispheres have opposite reactions, although I have been reading from a number of people that for some of the heat they are experiencing is not unusual. As a follower of the Katmai Brooks Falls cameras I have noticed that Alaskans have said that the winter was very cold this year and spring was late and even now some are saying that it is cold for this time of the year, despite an odd day or two of unseasonal heat.

In our part of SE Qld we have had a wetter than normal winter and colder too and nowhere as much as sun as usual.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 10, 2023 3:32 pm

Rosie

Aug 10, 2023 11:50 AM

Also if the family suspected there was an attempt to poison ex husband previously why would they ever eat there again?

They obviously didn’t suspect.
That may be the problem.
Perhaps if she served up Ratsak Ratatouille once before and it was undetected she might have become emboldened.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 10, 2023 3:32 pm

Indict the Biden crime family, not Trump

To ensure that such a bitter dispute wouldn’t be repeated, Congress passed the 1887 Act. It gave states the power to certify their electoral votes; and, most relevant to Mr. Trump’s phony indictment, set up a procedure allowing objections.

If at least one House member and one senator objected to a state’s vote, the House and Senate would separately debate the objection for up to two hours and then vote on it. If no candidate received a majority of electoral votes, the election would be decided by the House of Representatives, with each state delegation having one vote.

Here is why understanding this history is so important. Since the passage of the Electoral Count Act of 1887, both Democrats and Republicans have frequently used the act to legally object to election results.

In fact, since the 1968 election, the act has been used to dispute results in more than one-third of the 14 elections that have been held.

And here’s the buried and beautifully ironic lead:

It has been the Democrats, not Republicans, who have more frequently used the 1887 Act.

The partisan poster child here is the 2016 Clinton v. Trump election. Democratic Reps. Jamie Raskin, James Clyburn, and five others invoked the 1887 Act to try to derail Mr. Trump’s lawful election.

Messrs. Raskin and Clyburn would go on to push two phony impeachments of Mr. Trump, and they would later serve on the partisan witch hunt otherwise known as the J6 Committee, now being used as a cudgel in the Trump indictment process.

To my knowledge, neither of these partisans has ever been indicted for election interference for their use of the 1887 Act. Nor have Messrs. Raskin and Clyburn — along with other election interferers like Rep. Adam Schiff — ever been indicted for their abuse of the indictment process or their scurrilous roles in the Russia hoax.

Americans now fully understand this:

The sole purpose of indicting Mr. Trump is to prevent him from becoming president again. And here’s the real history lesson “tell” in the Biden Department of Justice’s election interference con game.

On Dec. 23, 2022, in a lame-duck session, congressional Democrats, in coalition with nine RINO House members, voted to amend the 1887 Act.

Moreover, these cowards did not do so in a stand-alone bill, but rather by burying the amendment in a massive pork-barrel spending package.

The most important revision was to designate the vice president’s role in the Electoral College count as “ceremonial.”

This change was a quite startling tacit admission that on Jan. 6, 2021, then-Vice President Mike Pence, as president of the Senate, indeed had the discretion to do what many members of Congress, along with Mr. Trump, wanted Mr. Pence to do that fateful day:

Send the issue back to the states to investigate well-documented instances of fraud based on the objections raised before Mr. Pence by a number of GOP lawmakers spearheaded by Rep. Andy Biggs and Sens. Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley.

Of course, Mr. Pence refused to exercise that discretion on Jan. 6. Astonishingly, as the public record indicates, Mr. Pence’s refusal was based on a legal opinion of his own counsel rather than one issued (or vetted) by Mr. Trump’s White House legal counsel.

Here, Mr. Trump was within his legal rights to expect his own vice president to follow White House procedures in reviewing legal matters.

Instead, Mr. Pence went rogue, thereby foreclosing any opportunity to investigate fraud and get a legal count of the votes quite legally under the 1887 Act.

The final pillar of sand the Trump indictment is built on is the dubious claim that Mr. Trump knew the election was fair but still cried foul.

Here, we don’t need a legal scholar like Jonathan Turley to tell us that if some folks around Mr. Trump told him the election was fair and others told him it was rigged, that doesn’t prove Mr. Trump believed it was rigged.

It just proves, as is his public reputation, that Mr. Trump comes to his own conclusions by listening to a broad array of voices.

The bottom backfiring line:

Mr. Trump gets another fake indictment, the Biden crime family goes uninvestigated, the American people lose more faith in our judicial system, and Mr. Trump rises further in the polls.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 10, 2023 3:34 pm
H B Bear
H B Bear
August 10, 2023 3:38 pm
Robert Sewell
August 10, 2023 3:41 pm

Kneel:

They haven’t just built a house of cards, they’ve built it on a beach below the high tide line, and a cyclone is approaching. It won’t just collapse, it’ll be nearly unrecoverably strewn hither and yon, and it will take years, if not decades, to put it back in reliable working order. And these morons are saying it’ll be fine as long as we add a few paper clips to strengthen it a bit.

Stating these facts will have you labelled as a nutcase catastropharian.
Don’t bother.
Meanwhile, I’m stress testing the genset wired into the house:
All the 4 aircon ON.
2x computers with UPS protection. ON
All the 2 fridges/800l freezers ON.
Didn’t bother with lights – they’re all LEDs now. OFF.
The big test – kettle and toaster. ON. That made the genset sit up and change her tune.
Large element on stove ON.
Let it run for ten minutes.
OK, Pass.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 10, 2023 3:41 pm

calli
Aug 10, 2023 1:09 PM
A test for Carlton apologists…

What if it was Tony Abbott strutting his stuff on Whale Beach?

They got quite upset when he stripped down to budgie smugglers!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 10, 2023 3:42 pm

The Science has corrupted science in two main ways:

• Using model outputs as ‘data’ for purposes other than checking the model

Worse even than that. Now they’re using a model to fill in temperatures where they’ve stopped doing actual measurements, which is half of all sites. The remaining half are mostly at airports and in urban areas where UHIE is enormous.

For the no longer extant sites the models estimate higher temps than really occur, due to overhyped CO2 sensitivity, thus the final number is higher than reality – but is regarded as ‘official’ temperature data. Then the climate scientists say oooh look how well our models fit the temperature record! It’s completely fictitious.

Creating A Fake Temperature Trend (2 Aug)

Vicki
Vicki
August 10, 2023 3:42 pm

In our part of SE Qld we have had a wetter than normal winter and colder too and nowhere as much as sun as usual.

But in Central Tablelands NSW we have had a very mild, dry winter.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 10, 2023 3:43 pm

I haven’t played there for a while, but the par-3 seventh hole at Westgate Golf Course had magnificent mushrooms all around the green. 

I would peel and/or wash anything taken off a golf course.
Greenkeepers constantly spray all sorts of shit around.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 10, 2023 3:46 pm

H B Bear

Aug 10, 2023 2:31 PM

I discovered there is part of the Australian Constitution that makes the current charging of Tolls by the States illegal

You just know it’s the Magna Carta.

Please donate to my GoFundMe!
Err … for what?
What costs is he incurring?
In fact, by not paying tolls, he is in front of the rest.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 10, 2023 3:47 pm

Lizzie

The past is sometimes best left in the past.

I think that was the point of the question, in relation to “truth”, “treaty” and “reparations”, particularly the reparations.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 10, 2023 3:55 pm

Greenkeepers constantly spray all sorts of shit around.

Hence the requests that golfers not lick their balls.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 10, 2023 4:02 pm

Meanwhile, I’m stress testing the genset wired into the house:
All the 4 aircon ON.
2x computers with UPS protection. ON
All the 2 fridges/800l freezers ON.
Didn’t bother with lights – they’re all LEDs now. OFF.
The big test – kettle and toaster. ON. That made the genset sit up and change her tune.
Large element on stove ON.
Let it run for ten minutes.
OK, Pass.

What if Armageddon never comes?
Will you be disappointed?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 10, 2023 4:04 pm

H B Bear

Aug 10, 2023 3:55 PM

Greenkeepers constantly spray all sorts of shit around.

Hence the requests that golfers not lick their balls

Another thing the chaps at The Club take a dim view of.
Not in the Royal Tennis change rooms anyway.

Lysander
Lysander
August 10, 2023 4:05 pm

Sorry DB, he mentioned it (or something like it) in one of his 3hr long weekly poll updates..

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 10, 2023 4:07 pm

What if Armageddon never comes?
Will you be disappointed?

I will.
I have 10 two-year old tins of camp pie in the stuck-at-the-side-of-the-road grab bag in my work vehicle.

I was looking forward to that.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 10, 2023 4:11 pm

Hope Downs trial: Hancock lawyers say Lang led astray by Rose Porteous and her luxury lifestyle
Tim Clarke
The West Australian
Thu, 10 August 2023 1:06P

Lawyers for Gina Rinehart have made remarkable admissions about the misdeeds of her father in open court — before laying the ultimate blame on his flamboyant widow Rose Porteous, and her alleged liking for luxury.

As their defence against a multibillion-dollar claim for portions of the Hope Downs mines continued, Hancock Prospecting’s lead barrister Noel Hutley stepped back into the 1980s and the bitter family fallout caused by Lang Hancock’s late-life marriage.

The elevation of Mr Hancock’s former Filipino housekeeper to his bride remains one of the most notorious marriages in WA history — and its fallout is still being felt nearly 40 years on.

That was proven on Thursday in WA’s Supreme Court, when the rift that marriage caused between Mr Hancock and daughter Gina was revisited.

The court was told those tensions caused Mr Hancock to begin shifting his enormous wealth from company to company, in what Mr Hutley said was a “textbook case of breach of fiduciary duty”.

Hancock’s lawyers claim the movement of monies was so Mr Hancock could “at the behest of Rose Porteous (spend) vast sums of money on mansions and the like”.

And they also admitted that was in clear breach of his duties to his company, and its shareholders — which included his daughter.

“Sadly and wrongly, Lang Hancock deliberately went about to deprive Mrs Rinehart of the ability to obtain information by removing her from all positions,” Mr Hutley said.

“It does truly pain us to say this was a blatant breach of fiduciary duty on the part of Lang Hancock.

“Lang was solely focused on his self-interest. There was never any consent by shareholders to any of what Lang Hancock did.”

However, Mr Hutley also claimed that just before he died, the mining pioneer realised the “extent of his wrongdoing”.

“(He) commenced to undertake its reversal, but he died before that could be completed,” Mr Hutley said.

“My client takes no joy to revist the events of the 1980s … but it was but a short part of a much longer career of Mr Hancock’s devotion to developing the areas in the Pilbara.

“It was a period in which he succumbed principally to the pressures of Rose Porteous and her desire for a luxurious lifestyle.”

That version of the Hancock history — in which Mr Hancock moved his wealth for his own benefit — defies the version set to be outlined by Mrs Rinehart’s children John and Bianca, who claim the shares in Hope Downs were moved into trust for their benefit.

Wright Prospecting claim that if John and Bianca do in fact have an interest in Hope Downs, only half of it belongs to them.

The trial continues.

Cassie of Sydney
August 10, 2023 4:11 pm

Apparently the dish cooked with the poisonous mushrooms was Beef Wellington.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 10, 2023 4:22 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Aug 10, 2023 4:11 PM

Apparently the dish cooked with the poisonous mushrooms was Beef Wellington.

Hmmm.
Curioser and curioser.

The Beer Whisperer
The Beer Whisperer
August 10, 2023 4:26 pm

Now Curry reveals nefarious ways “the science” about climate change has been corrupted.

The Science has corrupted science in two main ways:

• Using model outputs as ‘data’ for purposes other than checking the model; and

• Conflating the concepts of risk and uncertainty – and presenting completely uncertain future outcomes with (subjectively assigned) probabilities (and sometimes even confidence intervals ffs) as though they have some sort of repeatable, scientific statistical basis.

This is science fraud. Every scientifically trained person knows this.

As i said on Twatter yesterday;

If it’s not dispassionate, it’s not science.

If it’s not falsifiable, it’s not science

If it’s not repeatable, it’s not science

And plenty of others, too. “Evidence-based” isn’t science either, because it’s agenda driven, so isn’t objective. It inevitably results in evidence inconsistent with the agenda ignored or removed. You could make an argument that any funded science isn’t science either, due to funding compromising objectivity.

Bring back bored pastors doing real science in their spare time.

shatterzzz
August 10, 2023 4:26 pm

Noticed a few folk expressing a desire to see the new Napoleon film .. in the meantime if you like Napoleonic era themed movies try this one .. it’s excellent!
THE DUELLISTS ……..
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075968/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_q_the%2520duellists

Cassie of Sydney
August 10, 2023 4:28 pm

Surely, if you’re preparing a dish with highly poisonous mushrooms, you’d have to wear gloves when cutting up the mushrooms?

I don’t know, I’ve never prepared a dish with poisonous mushrooms.

Rosie
Rosie
August 10, 2023 4:30 pm

Incidentally Sancho the exhusband, son of two of the deceased, has come forward to say he did suspect her of poisoning him in the past, including the time he nearly died, on that occasion he thought it was a nightshade, and there are plenty of belladonnas in Victoria.
His suspicions were apparently reported to the police.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 10, 2023 4:30 pm

Apparently the dish cooked with the poisonous mushrooms was Beef Wellington.

English cuisine was why the British Empire was so great, since Englishmen were desperate to get away from it.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 10, 2023 4:32 pm

I don’t know, I’ve never prepared a dish with poisonous mushrooms.

What’s the old joke about the lady who was widowed three times? Her first husband died from eating poisonous mushrooms, the second died from eating poisonous mushrooms, the third drowned in the swimming pool – he wouldn’t eat the mushrooms?

Rosie
Rosie
August 10, 2023 4:32 pm

Death caps are not toxic to touch.
No doubt police are checking online searches, library books borrowed and what’s on the shelf.

Vicki
Vicki
August 10, 2023 4:33 pm

Apparently the dish cooked with the poisonous mushrooms was Beef Wellington.

Gosh, I haven’t cooked that in a long while. Don’t think I will again!

Recall it was fillet topped with pate and encased in puff pastry. Dont recall mushrooms in it – but they may have been included with the pate inside the pastry.

calli
calli
August 10, 2023 4:34 pm

Apparently the dish cooked with the poisonous mushrooms was Beef Wellington.

Duxelles.

The obvious question…is she a vegetarian therefore did not eat for that reason?

Cassie of Sydney
August 10, 2023 4:34 pm

“Death caps are not toxic to touch.”

Thanks Rosie.

I like Beef Wellington…or “Boef on Croute” as the French say.

Cassie of Sydney
August 10, 2023 4:35 pm

“Recall it was fillet topped with pate and encased in puff pastry. Dont recall mushrooms in it – but they may have been included with the pate inside the pastry.”

It’s a mushroom pate that you encase the beef with, then you encase the pate and beef with puff pastry.

Quite delicious, very rich.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 10, 2023 4:36 pm

Another sorry day in the offing. FMD

calli
calli
August 10, 2023 4:38 pm

Sorry, should have given you a reference for the fancy French term.

Usually not poisonous, I’ve cooked it many times and it’s delicious! Very 70’s.

At least it wasn’t the Salmon Mousse.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 10, 2023 4:38 pm

They got quite upset when he stripped down to budgie smugglers!

They certainly grew fixated.

The cartoonist Rowe still has to grab the smelling salts lest he swoons whenever he espies a chance to (irrelevantly) include a drawing of Abbott in his cartoons.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
August 10, 2023 4:38 pm

Barking Toad Aug 10, 2023 2:54 PM

As of 1 March 2022, the departures board at Cairns Airport listed departure times for flights to Ayers Rock.

That would make it about the only recognisable destination on the departures board at Cairns.
Every other flight is to “Weelyabarrabak” type place names – utterly confusing for the sheer numbers of international visitors who use Cairns airport.

North Queenslanders don’t cop PC.

This may apply off the end of the bitumen. Not so sure about Cairns.

calli
calli
August 10, 2023 4:39 pm

And…bingo!

Some classical cookbooks call for dehydrated mushrooms. According to Auguste Escoffier, dehydration enhances flavor and prevents water vapor from building up pressure that could cause a pastry to crack or even explode.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 10, 2023 4:41 pm

Why don’t the Coalition offer sorry days for those drowned attempting to get to these shores under Labor government?
The suicides of beef producers over Labor’s position on cattle transportation to Indonesia/Middle East?
To those families of the 4 young men from Rudd’s pink batts scheme?
Phucking lift like a mare’s tail Coalition. LIFT!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 10, 2023 4:43 pm

‘Godfather’ of surviving Spitfires takes 80th birthday flight
Jack Blackburn, History Correspondent
Wednesday August 09 2023, 9.55pm BST, The Times
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Unbowed, unbeaten, unchanged. On its 80th birthday, the only Spitfire never to have been fully restored was sent into the skies once more.

The Supermarine Spitfire Mk IX MH434 took off from the Imperial War Museum’s Duxford site in Cambridgeshire to mark its big day, still using much the same equipment as it did during the Second World War.

In its long life it survived its early days in combat to become known as the godfather of surviving Spitfires. It is a regular at airshows and has been seen in numerous films, including A Bridge Too Far.

It was flown by Stu Goldspink, who is one of the most experienced Spitfire pilots in the land. “It was such a huge honour and an amazing and fantastic experience,” he said. “I have flown many different Spitfires in my career, but every time I sit in the seat of MH434 it’s a remarkable moment and this aircraft has a special place in my heart.”

The aircraft first took flight in August 1943 when it left Castle Bromwich in the hands of the test pilot Alex Henshaw. By the end of the month, it had been delivered to 222 Squadron and carried out missions over Europe.

However, it is the aircraft’s post-war service that has given it a unique place in Spitfire lore and won admirers among enthusiasts across the world. “This aircraft has been flown by Spitfire legends such as Neil Williams, Ray and Mark Hanna to name just a few, and it was a huge privilege to follow in their footsteps,” Goldspink said.

For him, though, the historical resonances went all the way back to its first flight and its first pilot. Goldspink says one of his heroes is Henshaw, the air racer who led a team of 25 test pilots for Vickers.

The aircraft was given the full birthday treatment this week. A banner marked the occasion, and it was also given a cake and a card.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 10, 2023 4:43 pm

Robert have you got a 25kva+ genset?

Salvatore, Iron Publican
August 10, 2023 4:43 pm

H B Bear Aug 10, 2023 3:03 PM

North Queenslanders don’t cop PC.

Like Warren Entsch says, “No pooftas.”

Nobody who knows, or who has even simply met, Warren Entsch, will ever believe he said that.

Try: Bob Katter Jr.

Rosie
Rosie
August 10, 2023 4:44 pm

She didn’t eat it, her children didn’t eat it.
I
Herald Sun paywalled was posted here this morning?
How unlucky can one enthusiast cook be?
Ex-husband Simon Patterson’s shock revelation in Leongatha mushroom mystery
The woman at the centre of the deadly mushroom lunch allegedly tried to poison her former husband in the past.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 10, 2023 4:44 pm

Brilliant aircraft – should never have been phased out of service.

P
P
August 10, 2023 4:46 pm
calli
calli
August 10, 2023 4:47 pm

As I recall, Abbott was never caught on the beach au naturel (since we are talking cooking) and telling people who objected to eff off.

Perhaps Rowe can do a series on Carlton. It would have elements of truth. Particularly the bare bum.

Rosie
Rosie
August 10, 2023 4:47 pm

If I was going to poison country relatives with mushrooms, I’d definitely choose a dish in which the offending items could not be recognised by an experienced eye.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 10, 2023 4:47 pm

Try: Bob Katter Jr.

Try “The Adventures of Barry Mackenzie?”

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 10, 2023 4:50 pm

I really doubt that Biden will be the Democrat candidate, and I foresee the ‘age’ card as well as many others being played against Trump if he’s the candidate against anyone other than Biden. This is a real worry. I want the Republicans to bring at least a modicum of reason and sense back to the US. Another Democrat win is unthinkable.

So I don’t know where we are right now. I’m still in wait and see mode, but Biden is not a possible candidate and we should all play that scenario out in our heads now.

Pogria
Pogria
August 10, 2023 4:51 pm

Grey Ranga,
my genny is 13kva and it runs the shed, the bore pump, the extra freezers, and the whole house as if the power never went off. It has been a godsend out here. The power goes out often. Surprised it didn’t go off today with the strong winds.

Tom
Tom
August 10, 2023 4:53 pm

Why don’t the Coalition offer sorry days for those drowned attempting to get to these shores under Labor government?

Sadly, Black Ball, the blog master hasn’t yet restored upticking, so that excellent suggestion is robbed of its due acclaim at the Cat.

Pogria
Pogria
August 10, 2023 4:53 pm

Beef Wellington is one of my favourite feeds. As Calli stated up thread, a Duxelle of mushrooms is spread over the pate which has been spread over the beef.

johanna
johanna
August 10, 2023 4:54 pm

In our part of SE Qld we have had a wetter than normal winter and colder too and nowhere as much as sun as usual.

Down here in Queanbeyan we have had probably the best July in the three+ decades I have lived around here. Usually it is bitterly cold, foggy and cloudy. This year it has been mostly sunny and while it has gone below zero now and then, nothing like the usual when -7 is the nadir, with plenty of -5s. Unlike the pits of July when it struggles to get to 8C in the daytime, the other day it hit 18C.

Of course the usual suspects claim that it is proof that the planet is about to boil.

Meh, I prefer natural variability as an explanation, otherwise how come it is so cool in SEQ?

calli
calli
August 10, 2023 4:55 pm

My favourite poisoning story is “Three Act Tragedy” from the Divine Agatha.

I won’t give it away, but the story is very…theatrical.

As I look out my kitchen window, I see many…many possibilities. Fortunately I am not given to Murder Most Horrid in real life, only in lurid fiction. 😀

Cassie of Sydney
August 10, 2023 4:55 pm

Further to Boef on Croute, anything in pastry is almost always……bloody delicious.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 10, 2023 4:59 pm

Furthest north in Queensland I’ve been is the Noosa surf club. Happy to keep it that way.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
August 10, 2023 4:59 pm

So ol’ Lang was fiddling the Hancock Prospecting books to keep his “housekeeper” Rose in the lap of luxury.

Tasteless luxury I might add, buy hey – “housekeeper”.

The more I read about the old rogue, the better I like him.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 10, 2023 5:00 pm

Vicki
Aug 10, 2023 4:33 PM

Apparently the dish cooked with the poisonous mushrooms was Beef Wellington.

Gosh, I haven’t cooked that in a long while. Don’t think I will again!

Recall it was fillet topped with pate and encased in puff pastry. Dont recall mushrooms in it – but they may have been included with the pate inside the pastry.

Vicki,

close to you and still with the same menu – originally at Spit Junction, then to Balgowlah with new owners keeping the Original Menu

http://chezmauriceetlinda.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/chez-PP.png

At the Top of the Mains – Zoom in to view

Filet de Boeuf Wellington

Fillet of Beef with Mushrooms and Pate baked in Puff Pastry

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 10, 2023 5:00 pm

The aircraft first took flight in August 1943 when it left Castle Bromwich in the hands of the test pilot Alex Henshaw.

Powered by a Merlin engine worked on and puzzled over for improvements by my dad, a mere uneducated foreman from the Rolls Royce shop floor, dragged from there in 1940 to service the Merlin for aircraft. Such a problem with its uplift speed to the propeller compared to the Messerschmidt, but solved, according to my mum (natch) by my dad’s inventive mind. Along with others, no doubt. A needs-must time where class went by the by. Dad did speak of Lord Beaverbrook’s intervention re that. He was given his chance to speak when he might have previously been silenced.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 10, 2023 5:00 pm

Rosie

Aug 10, 2023 4:47 PM

If I was going to poison country relatives with mushrooms, I’d definitely choose a dish in which the offending items could not be recognised by an experienced eye.

Yep.
Dehydration and crushing into a powder and mixing it with paté (and maybe other mushrooms) would certainly disguise the appearance.
Next question from Clouseau of the Champignon Squad.
Was this a ‘log’ of Beef Wellington or, as I have seen done, individual pastry cases?
Given the coating is quite a thick paste, controlling where it went in a log Beef Wellington would be possible.

calli
calli
August 10, 2023 5:01 pm

On one of those cooking competition shows, as I recall it was MKR, they had some contestants doing a tomato dish.

The idiots decided to use tomato flowers as a garnish…you know edible flowers are sooooo cool and popular. And they’re tomatoes, we eat tomatoes, right?

Bzzzzzzt. The chefs looked horrified. The nightshade family. Some of the fruits are okay, but never, ever the flowers.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 10, 2023 5:02 pm

I think the idiom is ‘by the board’ meaning the old rules of precedence were tossed.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 10, 2023 5:05 pm

Gosh, I haven’t cooked that in a long while. Don’t think I will again!

Yep. It was the one thing I could do for ‘smart’ dinners many years back. With a recipe to follow and the time to put into it. I wouldn’t have a clue these days and don’t want want one either.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 10, 2023 5:05 pm

The more I read about the old rogue, the better I like him.

When he was head of the West Australian secession movement, he was asked what an independent Western Australia would need to guarantee it’s independence.

“Half a dozen F-111 strike aircraft, with atomic weapons.”

Lysander
Lysander
August 10, 2023 5:07 pm

Alston, before he went woke, was a great cartoonist at The Worst Australian.

When Lang died, I’ll never forget his cartoon showing scores of lawyers walking through his mansion gates, singing:

“For old Lang’s iron”

Pogria
Pogria
August 10, 2023 5:07 pm

Cassie,
have you made Coulibiac? It is like a fish version of Wellington, bulked out with rice.
Delicious.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 10, 2023 5:08 pm

Vicki – Better Menu – Prices have gone up a bit

– Reminder must book for self & my wife, just back from Trip a Deal in Japan with her Sister

As per 2018 China Trip – amazing value – then Qantas good – here Phillipine Airlines lousy – Trip hectic but incredible – Red & Blue Buses all Aussies, Sydney, Perth, Melbourne – Great Crew

Bruce in WA
August 10, 2023 5:09 pm

Oh great! Just what we need … MORE fugging control and interference in our lives.

Baby keep you awake during the night? Don’t even think about getting behind the wheel then.

Research into blood-testing tired drivers could pave way for legislation

New research into driver tiredness could yield potential prosecutions for inattentive, sleepy drivers.

A new blood test is being developed by Australian researchers to detect a person’s level of tiredness, with a view of applying potential prosecutions to drivers over a “tiredness limit.”

Reported first by The Guardian newspaper, as part of a study commissioned by the Australian government’s Office of Road Safety, researchers have uncovered findings which equate driving on fewer than five hours’ sleep with being as dangerous as being over the 0.05 per cent legal blood alcohol limit.

Researchers from Monash University in Melbourne, Australia have led investigations into a blood test which could be used to determine whether a driver is at risk of crashing due to sleep deprivation.

Professor Clare Anderson and her team have identified five unique blood biomarkers that can identify whether a person has been awake for 24 hours or more, with 99 per cent accuracy.

calli
calli
August 10, 2023 5:11 pm

I looked that up, Pogria. I’m always looking around for something good to serve my Jewish family. It usually ends up being salmon or lamb.

That looks awesome and very cheffie. And…I can give them a dairy dessert. My son in law’s favourite – New York cheesecake.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 10, 2023 5:11 pm

Alston, before he went woke, was a great cartoonist at The Worst Australian.

Wasn’t it Alston, who defined “MABO” as meaning “Money Abounding, Barristers Only?”

Cassie of Sydney
August 10, 2023 5:12 pm

“Cassie,
have you made Coulibiac? It is like a fish version of Wellington, bulked out with rice.
Delicious”

Yes, bloody delicious…and it’s one of my brother-in-law’s fave. He’s half Russian.

Not hard to make, but always use very good salmon.

I also make a salmon en croute dish where I cover a salmon fillet it with pesto then cover with puff pastry and bake. Scrumptious…but rich!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 10, 2023 5:12 pm

Natural variability wins every time and I don’t even think there is much of that in comparison to some of the climatic changes of the historic past – from the Roman warm period, the Medieval warm period and then the Little Ice Age, with lots of smaller variabilities inbetween those. Current times seem fairly stable, with the only anthropogenic elements being build-up of burnables in forests and living too close to either forests or floodplains. Where we live and how we manage land is a human decision. If only we could teach our schoolchildren that.

Tom
Tom
August 10, 2023 5:13 pm

Hahaha. Anthony Fauci on 10’s The Project (replayed on Sharri Markson’s Sky News show): Everything I disagree with is disinformation.

The one thing that every leftard ever born has in common: theyall believe ordinary people are too stupid to identify white lies.

Shame on Walid Ali for being a useful idiot and using his platform to repeat Fauci’s white lies.

P
P
August 10, 2023 5:19 pm

A woman has been charged with intent to murder after she allegedly swerved off the road and struck a man known to her before ploughing into a house.
Sandra Sully (10 News) announced the suburb as “Showfields”.

Robert Sewell
August 10, 2023 5:19 pm

GreyRanga

Aug 10, 2023 4:43 PM
Robert have you got a 25kva+ genset?

No, 6kva. But after living on a yacht for a fair while, I know you can’t just get up and hit the toaster and kettle at once. It makes you aware of the limitations in the system. Too much load at the one time, just turn things on sequentially so they’re not all drawing at once. Something isolated farmers worked out years ago.
Tomorrow I’ll do a load test with just the fridges and a breadmaker + the two computers and lights. There’s a real chance the fridges and freezers didn’t even pull any load at all as it was perhaps between power cycles (or whatever they call them when the compressor isn’t working.) So I’ll turn the main power off for an hour. That should kick the giblets on the genset along – I’ll most likely have to turn them off and wait until everything else has stopped drawing startup load.
It’s kind of fun.

calli
calli
August 10, 2023 5:20 pm

If it is not the truth, it is a LIE. Even an omission of the truth, or an “untruth” gone uncorrected is a LIE.

Walid might call it something else.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 10, 2023 5:21 pm

Cool story about your dad Lizzie! The Merlin was a superb bit of mechanical awesomeness. Your dad and my granddad would get on famously methinks, since he was in Birmingham at the time doing chemical engineering for the war.

John H.
John H.
August 10, 2023 5:22 pm

The Air Force’s AI-controlled drone completes combat exercises

The USAF has plenty of F16s to become AI controlled but the new models are much better. This will become very important because most countries are having trouble finding pilots. It’s much quicker and cheaper to train an AI than a pilot.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 10, 2023 5:23 pm

Aargh. Gotta go and put a cloth over the surfaces in the kitchen to leave it in a condition that I expect it to be in on our return from Brisbane. I’ve already watered all of the gardens, high winds notwithstanding. Setting off tomorrow for six days away and my cat-minding eldest son here for the duration needs a standard left here to live up to in his neurodiversity. Currently it is a disgrace, and shame on us, as we haven’t had the cleaners in for a while, but a major clean can wait now till we return. Hairy put the vac around this morning and I’ve kept the bathrooms clean enough.

Poor Attapuss is going to be miz with his sore mouth and special food and no love and security from us. He’ll have his dental op soon after we return. My second son, on hearing the cost, said two thousand bucks, mum? He’d be dead in the wild without teeth. You could get him put down and get a new one.

Thoughtless boy. He’s not in the wild, I say. Nor are you, I point out.

mem
mem
August 10, 2023 5:24 pm

There is an early French movie I remember watching where all the members of a family but one were poisoned by mushrooms. The one that survived was a young boy who had been caught stealing and sent away without dinner. The boy grows up with the take-away message that stealing is a good thing, after all he survived, and thenceforth becomes a notorious trickster who defrauds and steals from all and sundry. It was part farce but well executed if I recall, and was made by someone quite famous in French cinema. I will try and track it down but someone here at the Cat may know the film I’m talking about.

Tom
Tom
August 10, 2023 5:30 pm

Every time Kevin07 opens his mouth, I can’t help it — I roar laughing. This poor pathetic has-been still thinks he’s a mover and shaker, thanks to Elbow’s ridiculous decision to put him in charge of the US relationship — mainly because Rudd is an ALP eunuch without a faction.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 10, 2023 5:32 pm

calli, earlier and apropos of Mushroom Erin:

The obvious question…is she a vegetarian therefore did not eat for that reason?

Ah, no.

I have seen images of this woman in the papers. She is very clearly an omnivore.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 10, 2023 5:33 pm

112 Pages – Record of Meeting – Hobart First Nations Regional Dialogue
Location – Risdon Cove, 9-11 December 2016.
Day 1 – Meeting began at 1:30pm

The dialogue began with a Smoking Ceremony and Welcome to Country dances
performed by .

The Co-Convenors, Mr and Ms introduced themselves, welcomed participants, provided general housekeeping rules and outlined the nature of the meeting.

Participants were advised a photographer was present to take photos during the
meeting and to notify the Convenors, working group leaders or photographer if they
had objections to their photo being taken.

outlined the agenda, group discussions themed around the five proposals.

Participants were advised to keep ideas and discussions smart as what is proposed
needs to get through parliament, the Executive Officer to the Referendum Council, outlined the Referendum

Council Indigenous consultations process of the 12 First Nations Regional Dialogues
and a National Indigenous Constitutional Convention. provided a presentation
on the Referendum Council members, its Terms of Reference, the Indigenous
consultations held to date, the five proposals and the approach to the Regional
Dialogues and National Convention.

A video presentation on the History of Indigenous Advocacy for Recognition and
Reform was played to the group.

. led a group session on Treaty.

Following the presentations there was a broad ranging group discussion and several
ideas were expressed:

. We are not citizens, we are not currently recognised in the Constitution.

. Various conversations on the proposals relating to Non-Discrimination and the
Race Powers.

. The need for an Indigenous voice to parliament – could be through designated
Senate seats, the creation of a political party, or a constitutionally enshrined
body.

Lengthy discussion on issues regarding a Treaty.

The Group also discussed a number of questions, such as whether the government
would proceed with constitutional recognition if Indigenous people didn’t agree,
whether constitutional recognition or Treaty were high priorities and what
constitutional recognition could achieve.

Day 1 – Meeting closed at 5pm.

calli
calli
August 10, 2023 5:34 pm

Knuckles, I was being naughty. I have seen photos also.

No meat pie is safe.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 10, 2023 5:34 pm

Robert if you have to replace anything motorised try for inverter run motors as they ramp up to full load instead of 4x full load current momentarily. When I had my yacht it was mostly gas, 12/230v inverter for the freezer.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 10, 2023 5:35 pm

Why don’t the Coalition offer sorry days for those drowned attempting to get to these shores under Labor government?

A kaleidoscope of upticks. A myriad. A cacophony, if upticks had sound.

A convoy of trucks, parked outside the Deakin Exchange Building in Canberra, all filled to the brim with upticks.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 10, 2023 5:36 pm

No meat pie is safe.

Please.

‘Rat Coffin’. Mushie free, at that.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 10, 2023 5:37 pm

I hope GreyRanga’s are going to be recognised in the Constitution.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 10, 2023 5:38 pm

Review of the The Indigenous Voice Co-design Process: Final Report to the Australian Government

Published March 10, 2022

Emeritus Professor Tim Rowse reviews The Indigenous Voice Co-design Process: Final Report to the Australian Government (Canberra: National Indigenous Australians Agency) July 2021

Conservatives who are unsure what position to take on Indigenous constitutional recognition seem to be the intended audience of the Final Report of the Indigenous Voice Co-design Process, released in December 2021.

The Final Report signals its politics at one point by choosing certain words when rejecting two suggestions. One suggestion was from a group of legal scholars that includes Professor Megan Davis: that the National Voice have the ‘powers and privileges of a parliamentary committee to compel people to appear as witnesses or produce documents’ (p.172).

The other was from ANTaR, suggesting a (Senate) ‘”estimates” process as another direct accountability mechanism’ (p.172). The Report labels these two suggestions ‘inquisitorial’, and it envisages instead a ‘flexible, good-faith partnership between the National Voice with both Parliament and Government’ (p.161).

The political strategy of the entire report can be read into the contrasting connotations of ‘inquisitor’ and ‘partner’.

The strategy may be sound. The prospect of an election and then (possibly) a referendum in 2022 makes it desirable, now, to craft an unthreatening model of the Voice.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 10, 2023 5:39 pm

I love her to bits.

Kaitlin!

This woman lost it when she realized she was talking to someone with different opinions!

Liberty Hangout:

Lib Can’t Handle Different Opinions

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 10, 2023 5:42 pm

Your dad and my granddad would get on famously methinks, since he was in Birmingham at the time doing chemical engineering for the war.

That’s what Hairy’s dad was doing during the war, but I don’t think it was in Birmingham. Must ask him where. After the war, when Hairy’s mum died in the 70’s and his dad remarried, his dad went to Germany to work in big German chem-eng arenas. His new wife was Jewish, and her family was very against her going to live in Germany, but she says she was made so welcome, she learned German, and she enjoyed her time there. During the war, as we only found out at her funeral in the UK in January (she was 98), she worked as a driver and mechanic, like the Princess Elizabeth. She never spoke of it, and was always so feminine in her clothes and furnishing and jewellery. Her son married the actress Brenda Blethyn, whose role as Vera takes the opposite of this feminine style as does Brenda generally. Brenda delivered the eulogy and spoke of the iron will a daughter-in-law could feel behind that soft appearance; something I knew as the other daughter-in-law too.

She was the beloved granny of our daughter and Hairy’s brother’s daughter, the granny who showed them together how to make-up and look pretty. Hairy’s brother’s wife was and still is what her daughter politely called ‘a gardening lady’, someone who dressed (and spoke) for country life and pursuits, and her mother, the other older granny, was someone I would term a ‘sewing and embroidery’ lady, who lived her life in knits with hankies tucked in the sleeve for the drip at the end of her long nose.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 10, 2023 5:45 pm

MushroomGate news (the Hun):

It has also been reported Erin Patterson invited Simon Patterson to the lunch, along with her former in-laws and the Wilkinsons, as part of a church mediation process because she desperately wanted to reconcile with her ex-husband. But Simon reportedly pulled out of the function at the last minute.

Wise move, Simon.

It’s further been claimed Simon’s Patterson’s parents, the now dead Gail and Don Patterson, didn’t want their son to reconcile with his ex-wife, Erin.

Probably because they didn’t want him getting poisoned with dud mushies again.

Erin Patterson, the host of the lunch, either didn’t eat the same meal, prepared the same way, as her guests or somehow didn’t get sick from it — and it’s revealed her two children were served different dishes.

Yup. And:

It’s reported Erin Patterson told police in her initial interview that she bought the mushrooms at a local store, but appears not to have raised this since — publicly at least. Supermarkets contacted by the Herald Sun have declined to comment but it’s understood there has been no recall of mushrooms on sale.

If this Patterson woman is good for moida, she would easily rest inside the top five stupidest murders in this wide brown land.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 10, 2023 5:46 pm

MurderERs.

The five stupidest murderers.

Wide brown land, etc.

As previously mentioned. Possibly thick as pigshit.

JC
JC
August 10, 2023 5:49 pm

Liz

How many kids have you two sccumulated in total, including all the prior marriages? Would I be right in estimating 27 kids in total between you per previous discussions as there sounds like you’re talking about some related or half way related kid every other day. Just curious.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 10, 2023 5:54 pm

oops, Calli, I know you do sewing and embroidery but not in the style I was thinking of for this British grandma. Aussie-style. Different.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 10, 2023 5:54 pm

This poor pathetic has-been still thinks he’s a mover and shaker
Makes his at-home-with-a-cuppa-and-the-cat portrait all the more naff.
He knows he sees himself as UN Sec Gen, and all his former staff see him as an ever-present office bully… and everyone else sees him as Kevin 747.

Pogria
Pogria
August 10, 2023 5:55 pm

Calli,
happy to you know you are going to try the Coulibiac. It may look cheffie, but dead easy to make. As Cassie said, use quality Salmon. If you want to go cheffie, decorate it with extra pastry to look like a fish. Fun.

Cassie,
I did think you’d probably know it. 😀

calli
calli
August 10, 2023 5:56 pm

I am multi-skilled.

I have a black belt in secateur fu.

dopey
dopey
August 10, 2023 5:56 pm

Beef Wellington or Beef Stroganoff. Coroner’s got his work cut out.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 10, 2023 5:57 pm
johanna
johanna
August 10, 2023 5:58 pm

calli
Aug 10, 2023 4:55 PM

My favourite poisoning story is “Three Act Tragedy” from the Divine Agatha.

I won’t give it away, but the story is very…theatrical.

I love the Thumb of St Peter story – ‘pile of carp.’ Heh.

For a nice middle class lady, The Divine Agatha sure had a devious mind.

Speaking of which, I snagged a book of Ruth Rendell’s short stories at the Salvos for $4.00. They range from OK to exceptionally good. Many of them have been made into full length TV dramas.

She has an acute understanding of neurotic middle class women.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 10, 2023 5:59 pm

A kaleidoscope of upticks. A myriad. A cacophony, if upticks had sound.

A convoy of trucks, parked outside the Deakin Exchange Building in Canberra, all filled to the brim with upticks.

To you sir, good tidings with the smallgoods business and interwebs winner for today.
Another reminder that Warner won’t last this summer for his coveted Sydney farewell.

Pogria
Pogria
August 10, 2023 6:00 pm

Calli,
forgot to add, re the New York cheesecake, the ONLY cheesecake is a BAKED cheesecake!

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 10, 2023 6:03 pm

Perhaps Rowe can do a series on Carlton. It would have elements of truth. Particularly the bare bum.

calli please, Carlton is 77 and the article came with pics. I take one on the chin for you lol

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 10, 2023 6:05 pm

Nope, JC. Often same lot of kids and grandkids. Occasionally others in my wider extended family ambit. They and their doings are a big part of my life and past, just the way it is. That plus travel, fashion, being a woman, leftism in general as experienced, and anything to do with Rome and Britain, and that’s me done as a background to opinions expressed and things analysed. Put up a few more bits of real-estate porn, JC, for I enjoy those. Along with the long debates on trucks vs trains, or the best sort of wine or scotch to drink. These are all great things about the Cat. It differs from other blogs, which simply present opinions. On this blog, people can become themselves and that is the best thing about it. It’s a rounded-person blog.*

* nothing to do with obesity, though doubtless some are. 😉

calli
calli
August 10, 2023 6:06 pm

I enjoy Rendell, but it’s her novels under her nom de plume, Barbara Vine, that really intrigue me.

Atmospheric, slightly twisted, surprising denouement. On the first reading, I have always read them again looking for clues. And she doesn’t cheat – they’re there, but neatly hidden.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 10, 2023 6:07 pm

Oh, and cooking, JC. Everyone talks cooking.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 10, 2023 6:07 pm

Perhaps that’s to do with being a rounded person. 🙂

JC
JC
August 10, 2023 6:10 pm

I saw a sculpture that reminded me a lot of Giacometti’s works (it was a lift). Giacometti was a Swiss sculptor in the first half of the 20th C. His works are beyond magnificent.

I checked what his works are going for and came across this:

Alberto Giacometti’s L’Homme au doigt was auctioned for $141.3m at Christie’s in May 2015, the highest price for any sculpture at auction. Giacometti’s L’Homme qui marche I had previously achieved the highest price of any sculpture when it was auctioned by Sotheby’s in February 2010.

I wonder who paid that?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 10, 2023 6:11 pm

If this Patterson woman is good for moida, she would easily rest inside the top five stupidest murders in this wide brown land.

Steady on.
It’s a class field even just in Victoria.
The clubhouse leader is the “Society Murders” of the Wales-Kings. The very, very stupid features of this one included a failed poisoning, followed by a very messy clubbing, then wrapping the bodies in the kids plastic swimming pool from their own backyard.
The cherry on top was renting a trailer and buying a shovel to dispose of the bodies using his own credit card.
I am told that initially cops thought it was so obvious that it had to be someone else setting him up

The murder of Stuart Rattle by Michael O’Neill runs a close second.
The weapons of choice were a Le Crousset frypan and a polyester dog lead.
His attempt to build a cover story was to buy takeaway and coffees x 2 for a week, before coming up with the brilliant plan to cover up a week-old blunt trauma death with arson.
Yeah.
Nah.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 10, 2023 6:13 pm
JC
JC
August 10, 2023 6:15 pm

Put up a few more bits of real-estate porn, JC, for I enjoy those.

I’m into sculpture at the moment. Bought a piece at auction and really happy with it.

Real estate porn: Here Manhattan triplex by my favorite architectural firm.

Rosie
Rosie
August 10, 2023 6:15 pm

I believe Wales’s siblings knew it was him from the get go.

Robert Sewell
August 10, 2023 6:17 pm

Grey Ranga:

Robert if you have to replace anything motorised try for inverter run motors as they ramp up to full load instead of 4x full load current momentarily. When I had my yacht it was mostly gas, 12/230v inverter for the freezer.

Good advice – hadn’t thought that far ahead as I’ve only recently replaced most appliances.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 10, 2023 6:19 pm

Stoned squirrel.

Greens hope to legalise cannabis nationwide with new bill, for industry expected to generate $28 billion (Sky, 10 Aug)

The Greens have put forward their long-awaited legislation to decriminalise and regulate cannabis across Australia.

Senator David Shoebridge introduced the bill to the Senate on Thursday afternoon after wide consultation showing there was an appetite among Australians to legalise cannabis.

Churlish of me I know but I seem to recall in the most recent by-election the Greens lost half their voters to the Legalise Cannabis Australia Party. It’s a mystery.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 10, 2023 6:19 pm

When the myths have passed into legend, and the sites are no longer living, the fragments of memory of these places should be held sacred in the hearts of those who remember them, but not in a landscape that should belong to all Australians.

I referenced this article a while back as an important one in the Quadrant Voice edition. Good to see that it is now up as a stand-alone piece for easier reference.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 10, 2023 6:21 pm

Rosie at 6:15

Yeah, him and his equally stupid bride were constantly looking for cash.
Mind you, apparently mummy was the sort who might encourage one to reach for the heavy brass candlesticks.

  1. Pelosi. Alcoholic, manipulative, soul dead. reminds me of my MiL. Some of her greatest thrills was creating division among groups…

  2. A non nutty lefty view on the economics of nuclear energy. https://x.com/GrayConnolly/status/1803681147303633263?t=Rc8a043AtdX87EIt_mmRGg&s=19

  3. Peter Khalil’s office in Wills. Wrong type of Egyptian. https://x.com/DrewPavlou/status/1803638552561066443?t=Q9B7JhVwk0ruASnPEVGK9Q&s=19

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