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An Iron Forge, Joseph Wright of Derby, 1772

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feelthebern
feelthebern
August 16, 2023 8:22 am

shatterz, I clearly was referring the to the terrorist at Lindt.
Never ceases to amaze how the English can’t read their own language.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 16, 2023 8:25 am

I’ll concede that the yummy mummies still playing hockey are a fierce cut above the netty ballerinas. I’ve gone one on one with a few in half-pitch summer comp- I’m not mr dynamite, but they have surprising speed and strength in a clinch.

shatterzzz
August 16, 2023 8:26 am

Tells you all you need to know about women and sport. Sure, do it. But understand the chances of lifelong injury are high…because women have different bodies, designed for a different purpose.

My youngest daughter’s played soccer since high school, now 35, very rare too see her without some sort of bandage on one leg or the other or hobbling about but just shrugs and sez, “Comes with the game” as she, cheerfully, gears up for the next bout .. LOL!

calli
calli
August 16, 2023 8:33 am

The corruption in Georgia is off the charts and it involves the Georgia GOP too.

I recall the very strange happenings during the 2020 election re ballots and recounts. And a certain car crash.

The devil went down to Georgia, and having lost the contest, decided to go into vote fiddling instead.

Dot
Dot
August 16, 2023 8:37 am

A shiny ice cream waffle made of gold…

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 8:37 am

A source close to the case has now claimed an ambulance worker alerted investigators after a conversation with one of the victims, reports the Herald Sun.

“I think my ambulance subscription has lapsed.”?

Robert Sewell
August 16, 2023 8:38 am

Rockdoctor:

Curious if true. Most news articles I have seen state the Feds boarded & by the looks handed him to the State Plod after. Probably due to the lack of facilities the Fed’s would have in NSW.
Airports are a Federal responsibility and especially international ones plus you have 2 Cdo Regt down the road that wouldn’t have had to rely on permission from NSW to use if it deteriorated.

Even after the Man Monis case, the authorities still can’t get their shit together.
It’s time to start sacking people.

shatterzzz
August 16, 2023 8:41 am

shatterz, I clearly was referring the to the terrorist at Lindt.
Never ceases to amaze how the English can’t read their own language.

Nothing wrong with my “reading” English ability .. you used two incidents in the same paragraph without separation .. easy to miss which was being referred too .
I haven’t been reading any of the media reports just comments here so little idea of what went on …….
get so used to the media BS whenever the “snackbar” is involved I, usually, stop at the headline(s) ……

Cassie of Sydney
August 16, 2023 8:41 am

bons
Aug 16, 2023 8:16 AM
I was stunned last night when Credelin interviewing the woman behind the app ‘Giggle for Girls’ which only admits biological woman.
A pervert (group) is sueing the app and the founder for huge damages, for something.
And now the Human Rights Commission has received leave to intervene on the part of the perverts.

Correct, I follow Sall Grover, and have for years. She’s been stalked by these perverts for the last three years now.

Let me answer your questions.

This has been a lavish suit obviously generously funded. By whom? Who is funding a perverted micro minority so lavishly?

We are funding this, it’s the HRC/AHRC who instigated the action against Grover, brought on by the creepy weirdo cock in a wig and a frock who demanded access to Sall’s app, designed for women only. THE APP IS SUPPOSED TO BE SAFE SPACE FOR WOMEN ONLY. So Sall, not a shrinking violet, said NO to the cock in the frock demanding access to her app. Well, that made her almost a criminal, and the cock in the frock lodged a complaint with the AHRD. And once again, and I know I sound like a broken record, but if you want to know what makes me furious,, it’s that we had for twelve years here in NSW and nine years federally so called right of centre governments that did nothing to shut down these ghastly inquisition “human rights” star chambers which simply give license to creeps, perverts and so on. Just ask Bernard Gaynor.

Who in the AHRC has determined that ‘cocks in frocks’ have the right to force their unwanted attentions upon a private group of people doing private things?

Because that’s what they do, and until a Coalition government with balls (pardon the pun) decides to either rein or shut down these star chambers, nothing will happen, and this kind of litigious crap will continue from perverts and creeps. These creepy perverts want access to women (and children) only spaces (wonder why), and when refused, they’ll take it to a government department, such as the AHRC, to force this upon us.

Where are the SFL screaming the house down over this perverted outrage? Oh, I forgot, they are helping Labor negotiate with the Elders; far more important.

Indeed. Where are they? Oh that’s right, they’re hiding in a corner. Why? Because they’re spineless, supine, craven, cowardly, quisling, good for nothing jokes.

By the way, the person who’s brought the action against Sall Grover is a creepy male cross dresser by the name of “Roxeanne Tickle”. I think the name, Roxeanne Tickle tells you everything everything you need to know about this man.

By the way, Sall once said one of the my favourite lines about cocks in frocks, perverts, creeps and this whole putrid transgender ideology…

“If a person tells you that a woman can have a penis, then I’ll never believe another word that person says.”.

I love Sall, love Katherine, love Rachel, love Angie, love Kellie-Jay, love the Julies, love Meghan, love Graham, love JK Rowling, love Maya, love em all.

Further to Kellie-Jay Keen…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QwKVGZPv0A

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 16, 2023 8:42 am

The corruption in Georgia is off the charts and it involves the Georgia GOP too.

As a fairly disinterested observer, I’d say the GOP has been surprisingly complaisant about the transition of the US justice system into an unashamed political weapon.

Sure, a few formal moues from potential contenders and some advantage-wrassling in Congress – but not much actual alarm.

It’s almost as if the entire Establishment and beltway has an interest in Trump vanishing from the political stage.

Emperor Xi would certainly approve.

Razey
Razey
August 16, 2023 8:46 am

Bern, I don’t, what I want is that our police and security apparatus are ready and willing to handle the situation pronto,

They only do ‘pronto’ if they are defenseless old ladies protesting lockdowns and mandates.

lotocoti
lotocoti
August 16, 2023 8:48 am

I recall the very strange happenings during the 2020 election re ballots

Some of those very strange happenings.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 16, 2023 8:50 am

The corruption in Georgia is off the charts and it involves the Georgia GOP too.

Yeah, the GOP elites want Trump gone, and his supporters too.

John Hinderaker has a good piece on the “indictments”, although he tippytoes around the fraud issue. A lot of that going around especially with Dominion pursuing people with lawfare.

I Read the Georgia Indictment, So You Don’t Have To | Power Line (15 Aug)

Nothing remotely indictable except inspecting a voting machine and some ballots. Regarding those he appears to’ve missed the story that those staffers were apparently invited to do just that by the elections people.

CNN: Trump Lawyers Received ‘Written Invitation’ to Inspect GA Voting Machines (13 Aug)

If they had a written invitation from an authorized officer it seems no crime was committed at all.

Indolent
Indolent
August 16, 2023 8:52 am
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 16, 2023 8:55 am

Never ceases to amaze how the English can’t read their own language

……………………………………… LOL.

To quote Basil Fawlty:

‘I learnt classical Spanish, not the strange dialect he seems to have picked up.’

calli
calli
August 16, 2023 8:55 am

The rolling indictments are the same pattern as the election fraud. Tie the prey up with fighting individual cases, and the Everest of b/s becomes insurmountable.

It worked once. It will work into the future. You watch the same thing play out on this blog daily.

Indolent
Indolent
August 16, 2023 8:56 am
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 8:59 am

Knuckle Dragger

Aug 16, 2023 8:55 AM

Never ceases to amaze how the English can’t read their own language

……………………………………… LOL.

To quote Basil Fawlty:

‘I learnt classical Spanish, not the strange dialect he seems to have picked up.’

He bought his punctuation marks in a Chinese grocers.
For cash.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 9:01 am

Welcome to the morning edition of “Buy Me a Coffee”.

Crossie
Crossie
August 16, 2023 9:02 am

Dot
Aug 15, 2023 5:01 PM

Purgery?

Is that the criminal offence of shoving carob stool loseeners up the wrong end and spraying bystanders with emotional incontinence and racial conspiracy theories?

See, it’s for posts like this one that I miss the upticks.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 9:02 am

Or is that a Chinese grocer’s?
Or maybe Chinese grocers’?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 16, 2023 9:03 am

He bought his punctuation marks in a Chinese grocers.

The Gleengrocer’s’ Apostrophe.

Crossie
Crossie
August 16, 2023 9:04 am

Roger
Aug 15, 2023 7:40 PM
Also, earlier this month Qantas and Joyce were widely mocked for offering Albanese’s 23-year-old son membership to the ultra-exclusive Chairman’s Lounge

Sheesh…it’s not as though it’s a position on the board of a Ukrainian gas company.

And that’s why the media and our elites can’t see anything wrong with what Biden’s did and are doing.

calli
calli
August 16, 2023 9:04 am

“I’m already thinking of ways for the state to acquire that land so that we can put it into workforce housing, to put it back into families, or make it open spaces in perpetuity as a memorial to the people who were lost,” Green said while standing amongst the rubble.

How very Soviet.

Perhaps he might spare a thought, while trying to exploit the tragedy for political gain, about preventing the next round of destructive wildfires. Like…oh I don’t know…a few fire breaks and some hazard reduction?

I suppose that involves money and hard work. Anathema to acquisitive, posturing socialists.

Indolent
Indolent
August 16, 2023 9:05 am
Arky
August 16, 2023 9:09 am

feelthebern
Aug 16, 2023 6:48 AM
Said it before, I’ll say it again: this is the war we needed to have.
A wake up call.
..
Great.
Get back to us once you & your family all volunteer to be in harms way.

..
We are all in harms way.
You just haven’t realised the danger yet.

Indolent
Indolent
August 16, 2023 9:09 am
Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 16, 2023 9:11 am

The Gleengrocer’s’ Apostrophe.

Too slow.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 16, 2023 9:12 am

He bought his punctuation marks in a Chinese grocers.

‘Mushroom’s For Sale’

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
August 16, 2023 9:13 am

Two prominent climate scientists have taken on the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) new rules to cut CO2 emissions in electricity generation, arguing in testimony that the regulations “will be disastrous for the country, for no scientifically justifiable reason.”

Citing extensive data (pdf) to support their case, William Happer, professor emeritus in physics at Princeton University, and Richard Lindzen, professor emeritus of atmospheric science at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), argued that the claims used by the EPA to justify the new regulations are not based on scientific facts but rather political opinions and speculative models that have consistently proven to be wrong.

“The unscientific method of analysis, relying on consensus, peer review, government opinion, models that do not work, cherry-picking data and omitting voluminous contradictory data, is commonly employed in these studies and by the EPA in the Proposed Rule,” Mr. Happer and Mr. Lindzen stated. “None of the studies provides scientific knowledge, and thus none provides any scientific support for the Proposed Rule.”

“All of the models that predict catastrophic global warming fail the key test of the scientific method: they grossly overpredict the warming versus actual data,” they stated. “The scientific method proves there is no risk that fossil fuels and carbon dioxide will cause catastrophic warming and extreme weather.”

Climate models like the ones that the EPA is using have been consistently wrong for decades in predicting actual outcomes, Mr. Happer told The Epoch Times.

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/two-princeton-mit-scientists-say?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=583200&post_id=136058400&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 16, 2023 9:15 am

1 hour ago
‘Won’t subscribe to colonial institutions’: Thorpe
Ellie Dudley
Ellie Dudley

Independent Senator Lidia Thorpe says she refuses to “subscribe to colonial institutions” and therefore won’t back the voice to parliament.

Her comments come ahead of her address to the National Press Club later on Wednesday, where she is expected to state the key reasons for her opposition to Anthony Albanese’s proposed voice.

“The central message is basically simplifying what I’ve been saying since I entered this parliamentary domain,” she told ABC Radio National.

“It is a message from ancestors and grassroots activists on why we don’t subscribe to colonial institutions and why the voice is not a way forward.

“I’ll take people on a bit of a journey so that we can educate on the effects of invasion, particularly deaths in custody, and removal of children, the destruction of land and water.”

Senator Thorpe said she was “excited” to present at the press club, but said she would not shy away from “hard truths”.

“I think that some hard truths need to be told and people in this country should accept what is going on so that we can move forward together, and a powerless voice just won’t address the things that I’ll be talking about,” she said.

Does anyone else see the sheer hypocrisy in this statement?

Anders
Anders
August 16, 2023 9:16 am

News.com.au the other week simultaneously had a sympathetic story reporting Russia’s opposition leader facing ‘Stalinist’ 20 more years in prison and then a little further down the page a story reporting Trump facing 561 years in prison.

Insert “Are we the baddies?” meme.

calli
calli
August 16, 2023 9:19 am

Independent Senator Lidia Thorpe says she refuses to “subscribe to colonial institutions”

Why is she in parliament then?

Does she have a bank account? Does she shop at the supermarket? Does she avail herself of running water and electricity? How about footwear and textiles?

The woman is a dangerous idiot.

Razey
Razey
August 16, 2023 9:20 am
Roger
Roger
August 16, 2023 9:22 am

Independent Senator Lidia Thorpe says she refuses to “subscribe to colonial institutions”

She will, however, collect a generous salary and benefits to sit in the senate.

Still, unlike her former Green colleagues, she’s honest about her intentions: she’s there to subvert our political institutions.

Indolent
Indolent
August 16, 2023 9:23 am

The woman is a dangerous idiot.

Please! We need the ticks back!

Miltonf
Miltonf
August 16, 2023 9:23 am

Indeed Calli and why does she draw the salary? The left is stupid, evil and nasty. Also very dangerous.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 16, 2023 9:24 am

Independent Senator Lidia Thorpe says she refuses to “subscribe to colonial institutions”

Presumably she means the Australian Womens Weekly. Nothing better for sales than a Royal on the cover, although Ita wouldn’t be caught dead doing that now.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 16, 2023 9:33 am

Citing extensive data (pdf) to support their case, William Happer, professor emeritus in physics at Princeton University, and Richard Lindzen, professor emeritus of atmospheric science at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), argued that the claims used by the EPA to justify the new regulations are not based on scientific facts but rather political opinions and speculative models that have consistently proven to be wrong.

Fortunately, Happer and Lindzen have long since been demonised and outcast by the Climate Establishment. Their tootling, pettifogging little views about scientific method can safely be ignored by the Great and Good.

Nobody was ever criticised for following expert consensus delivered by Top Men.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 16, 2023 9:33 am

Ita even has a problem with Royals at a coronation.

Roger
Roger
August 16, 2023 9:33 am

Hawaiians alleging power lines sparked wildfires; class action already afoot.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 16, 2023 9:36 am

More than any other campaign, the push to alter the Constitution to provide for an Indigenous-only body that will have special rights over the rest of the population

I find it all the more staggering that Albo and his snivelling minions will change the constitution and embed this racist farce which will have such enduring and ruinous effect – just for the sake of his thankfully transient career and a few fleeting approval points (he is wrong – he is not getting these but the misguided desire is part of his motivation).

He will be dead, in the ground, his vileness leaching into the soil and choking the worms while those of us still above ground (and our kids, and their kids and so on into futurity) are still paying the extortionate price for his pique of vanity.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 16, 2023 9:36 am

Indolent
Aug 16, 2023 9:20 AM

Thumbs up to Bob Moran. That’s a magnificent cartoon.

Roger
Roger
August 16, 2023 9:37 am

I think we should divest ourselves of the notion that Ita runs the ABC.

It’s a staff collective.

She’s evidently not responded to Roger Cook’s letter regarding the Woodside protest, which was sent two weeks ago.

Bar Beach Swimmer
August 16, 2023 9:40 am

Anders
Aug 16, 2023 9:16 AM

If that doesn’t warrant an up tick; nothing does.

That’s a “yes” from me.

Roger
Roger
August 16, 2023 9:42 am

I find it all the more staggering that Albo and his snivelling minions will change the constitution and embed this racist farce which will have such enduring and ruinous effect – just for the sake of his thankfully transient career and a few fleeting approval points

It’s part of the long march, comrade.

I’ve pointed out here before how indigenous politics and Communism have been intertwined in Australia since the 1930s. Just two examples: Faith Bandler and Eddie Mabo were both members of the Communist Party of Australia. Several prominent figures arguing for the Voice are also Marxists.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 16, 2023 9:43 am

Hawaiians alleging power lines sparked wildfires; class action already afoot.

I am waiting for CNN to find an expert (experts now seem not to be sources of truth but thespians who play roles in the theatre of politicians covering their arses), an expert who will explain that if they had more wind turbines they could have reversed the wires so they became giant fans that could have blown the fires out.

And anyone with the temerity to guffaw at the expert will be castigated for not believing the science.

Johnny Rotten
August 16, 2023 9:44 am

feelthebern
Aug 16, 2023 8:22 AM
shatterz, I clearly was referring the to the terrorist at Lindt.
Never ceases to amaze how the English can’t read their own language.

Never ceases to amaze me as to people who can’t write/type english.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 16, 2023 9:47 am

Hawaiians alleging power lines sparked wildfires; class action already afoot.

Plod were looking for an arsonist. But a single arsonist wouldn’t be worth suing.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 16, 2023 9:48 am

Hawaiians alleging power lines sparked wildfires; class action already afoot.

If you have transmission lines and high winds this is almost certainly the case. Transmission companies have been fingered for a few fires in Oz. Doesn’t say anything about the ability to control a fire once it hits the ground.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 16, 2023 9:52 am

Tells you all you need to know about women and sport. Sure, do it. But understand the chances of lifelong injury are high…because women have different bodies, designed for a different purpose.

I totally agree. The hype around females playing and the joy the men are getting seeing the girls try to go good and hard at it (I find that a bit disturbing) will soon be tempered by the long-term injuries that these women will inevitably suffer. Female bodies are not built to stand the continual force of those drops to the ground. Also, I’ve noticed as someone said above, that the women kick differently. That’s due to our pelvis being different. The girls can’t put the same force behind a kick and when they do they have a tendency to lose their balance and fall on their backsides. One of my feet went from under me on ice in Finland and my coccyx is still sore from it eight months later. I know I’m older, but my bones are in very good shape. Luckily.

calli
calli
August 16, 2023 9:55 am
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 16, 2023 9:57 am

Johnny R, it is so easy for a fast typist to lose the last letter of a word, or even to substitute an ‘and’ for an ‘of’ etc. I do it a lot, and hereby beg pardon for that, perhaps we need a class action for it as I am not the only sufferer of fast draw typing, which of course, keeping in touch with the zeitgeist, is due to exigencies and circumstances that must always be someone else’s fault. 🙂

Roger
Roger
August 16, 2023 9:58 am

Doesn’t say anything about the ability to control a fire once it hits the ground.

I suspect there may be no shortage of apathy bordering on incompetence that contributed to the scale of the disaster, but with dry vegetation and winds being supercharged by Hurricane Dora, you’d think turning off the power would be a no brainer.

Meanwhile, many of the recommendations of the 2020 RC haven’t been implemented here.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
August 16, 2023 9:59 am

Janet A’s about Welcome to Country article is a cracker. Comments massively in support as always on this subject.

As Janet says people are waking up.

calli
calli
August 16, 2023 9:59 am
Rabz
August 16, 2023 9:59 am

Not to mention this legendary Tome

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 16, 2023 10:01 am

I’ve pointed out here before how indigenous politics and Communism have been intertwined in Australia since the 1930s.

The notion that the African National Congress was entwined with the Communist Party was ridiculed for years, until it emerged that Nelson Mandela was on the Central Committee….

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 10:02 am

Dr Faustus

Aug 16, 2023 9:11 AM

The Gleengrocer’s’ Apostrophe.

Too slow.

When you can snatch the mushroom’s from my hand, Grasshopper, then it will be time for you to go.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 16, 2023 10:03 am

Having already experienced Exhibit A, Exhibit B follows:

Never ceases to amaze me as to people who can’t write/type english.

English.

You know. Like ‘sirry iriot’.

Innit guv LOL.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 16, 2023 10:04 am

Ian
57 minutes ago
But Lidia. You accept a pay cheque from the most colonial of institutions

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 16, 2023 10:10 am

I find it all the more staggering that Albo and his snivelling minions will change the constitution and embed this racist farce which will have such enduring and ruinous effect – just for the sake of his thankfully transient career and a few fleeting approval points

It’s part of the long march, comrade.

Yes it is.
In his traditional dishonest fashion, Albo is quaintly vague about the issue, implying that it’s simple “politeness” in the face of a “generous offer“. But you can be absolutely certain that the Voice and the attendant consequences has been whiteboarded, calculated, and workshopped through the ALP to the nth degree.

It is arguably the biggest and most important piece on Australia’s political chessboard – and certainly has more profound implications for the future of Labor politics than the Republic. Because it has become a ‘Labor Initiative’ on which Albanese has staked his own political future, the Voice (and whatever comes after it) becomes a Labor lock on government – in the same way as “Only Labor will protect Medicare/NDIS/Education/Health...”

At least it looked that way 12 months ago when ‘Yes’ was running at 65% in the polls.

Sadly for Uncle Luigi and his attendants, as details emerge blinking into the political daylight, the Voice appears headed for a result built more along party-lines and merits rather than emoting. So, in the final result, far from being an historic Labor Moment, Albanese’s legacy is shaping up to having to mop up a badly managed, divisive issue with obvious electoral consequences – a self-inflicted wound.

You can see why the Australian business establishment is rallying around the fountain of OPM flag, building social credit with the likely shoveller.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 16, 2023 10:11 am

Roger, I’ve never heard of transmission lines being depowered for fire risk. As this would typically correspond with hot weather and air conditioners demand it would be a courageous decision as Sir Humphrey would say.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 16, 2023 10:16 am

Janet A’s about Welcome to Country article is a cracker. Comments massively in support as always on this subject.

658 comments so far, of which five are supportive of the “Voice.”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 16, 2023 10:19 am

I’ve never heard of transmission lines being depowered for fire risk.

Bear – The Californian utilities have been doing it for a few years now, causing massive blackouts which can go on for days even weeks. They started right after being sued into bankruptcy for a fire which was allegedly started by their lines.

Mostly the blackouts affect backblock parts of the state where the great and good do not live. In this case the great and good did live in that Maui town, which makes me think the Hawaii utility might’ve been scared of bad publicity for blacking out the elites.

Roger
Roger
August 16, 2023 10:27 am

The local Colesworths have dropped promotion of the Voice altogether – posters removed from the entrances, no more voice overs on the MOR inhouse radio.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 16, 2023 10:28 am

OK – I’m not sure what they could do about the risk. I expect it would be uninsurable. God knows how you would deal with it contractually. The losses from having no power for days would exceed any possible loss from fires. Seems a very Californian way to deal with it, with a helping hand from the US justice system.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 16, 2023 10:33 am

A running back drops dead?
Not sure what the surprise is there.
Human battering rams with a very short shelf life.

Roger
Roger
August 16, 2023 10:35 am

I’ve never heard of transmission lines being depowered for fire risk.

I believe power companies in VIC have a system which reduces power load in extreme conditions. They installed it in fire prone areas when they couldn’t meet targets for putting the wires underground, as recommended by a RC.

Rosie
Rosie
August 16, 2023 10:36 am

Alex Collins died in a MOTORCYCLE accident.
Please stop linking to moronTube.

Tom
Tom
August 16, 2023 10:38 am

The local Colesworths have dropped promotion of the Voice altogether – posters removed from the entrances, no more voice overs on the MOR inhouse radio.

Big business has never been so dumb.

In the olden days, you’d be sacked for authoring an in-store advertising campaign designed to annoy a majority of your customers.

That’s why businesses historically shied away from politics — because it has nothing to do with the act of shopping or transacting commerce.

But the dumbo dullards in management knew better.

It turns out the business elders of yesteryear were setting commercial policy based on long experience.

calli
calli
August 16, 2023 10:42 am

Also Tom, if they did have political links, they were smart enough not to advertise it.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 16, 2023 10:43 am

The problem with the constant attempts to link the jab to all deaths is that it detracts from the real need to study the ongoing issues a small proportion of the population are having.

Rosie
Rosie
August 16, 2023 10:44 am

Driving through the inner north on this beautiful sunny Melbourne morning I spied Moonee Valley Racecourse, then wondered what happened with the flooding enquiry at Flemington.
There were plans for a nice dam upstream that would prevent all that but no doubt in abeyance because whatever the proposed construction cost is must now be at least quadrupled as every shovelful of soil will have to be sieved by hand in search of precious aboriginal artefacts, this will be a requirement for every project in Victoria, the invoice you get without the need for an invoice.

Roger
Roger
August 16, 2023 10:48 am

Big business has never been so dumb.

Yet they’ve never imagined themselves to be so smart.

Exhibit A:

The Business Council of Australia.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 16, 2023 10:50 am

Perf has its own, possibly unique, fire risk. Because we can go for a month or two without rain over summer dust and salt can build up on the ceramic insulators on the local wires. If the first rain is only light it basically turns to mud and shorts to the pole. A few of the wooden poles and cross members catch fire and you end up with a campfire at the top of the telegraph pole.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 16, 2023 10:50 am

That’s why businesses historically shied away from politics — because it has nothing to do with the act of shopping or transacting commerce.

ESG and DIE have a lot to answer for. Trojan horses of the Left which seduced managements everywhere. Now they can’t easily disentangle themselves without serious danger from the alphabet organisations both national and international.

So, guys, go vewy vewy quiet, it’s wabbit season.

Roger
Roger
August 16, 2023 10:51 am

…every shovelful of soil will have to be sieved by hand in search of precious aboriginal artefacts

My oldest son’s best friend from school days wanted to be an archaeologist.

He now spends weeks at a time in central QLD doing just that.

Not exactly what he imagined he’d be doing, I expect.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 16, 2023 10:53 am

The problem with the constant attempts to link the jab to all deaths is that it detracts from the real need to study the ongoing issues a small proportion of the population are having.

Yes it does.

A close cousin to the impact that scammers like The Expose, the (possibly well-meaning, possibly not) flock of North American pseudo scientists, and (tragically, for me at least) Norman Fenton had on whatever rational discussion was possible on the Public Health consequences of Covid vaccination. All too easily booted into the long grass as the frothings of mouth-breathing, swivel-eyed conspiracy loons.

Robert Sewell
August 16, 2023 10:55 am

Tom:

Big business has never been so dumb.
In the olden days, you’d be sacked for authoring an in-store advertising campaign designed to annoy a majority of your customers.

All they had to do was say:
It’s a Referendum. Corporations can’t vote. Only people can. But we do have a sale on Donuts today. Would you like to buy some?

areff
areff
August 16, 2023 10:57 am

From a just-received press release from Flinders University. Do notice the two bolded words:

Women with larger breasts tend to exercise less frequently and avoid high-intensity exercise and a new study has found much improved participation in recreational group exercises after breast reduction surgery.

The new study published in the international Journal of Reconstructive Surgery (JPRAS Open) further strengthens calls for more accessible, publicly funded breast reduction and other interventions in some cases.

The questionnaire was conducted with support from the free community Parkrun UK research board, an organisation aiming to promote 5km running and walking events around the world – for all ages and fitness levels.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 16, 2023 10:57 am

Flood mitigation in already established areas would be horrendously expensive. I expect it would be cheaper to let it flood and deal with it. Lovely sunny day in Perf, my personal flooding dramas soon forgotten.

Roger
Roger
August 16, 2023 11:00 am

Speaking of the English language, this new book might be worth a look:

The Long Journey of English: A Geographical History of the Language

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 16, 2023 11:01 am

From a just-received press release from Flinders University. Do notice the two bolded words:

Why not “larger breasts”?

Indolent
Indolent
August 16, 2023 11:02 am
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 16, 2023 11:04 am

The problem with the constant attempts to link the jab to all deaths is that it detracts from the real need to study the ongoing issues a small proportion of the population are having.

Uptick.

JMH
JMH
August 16, 2023 11:04 am

Roger
Aug 16, 2023 10:35 AM
I’ve never heard of transmission lines being depowered for fire risk.

I believe power companies in VIC have a system which reduces power load in extreme conditions. They installed it in fire prone areas when they couldn’t meet targets for putting the wires underground, as recommended by a RC.

Roger is correct. I was just about to post something similar but was beaten to the punch!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 16, 2023 11:04 am

the frothings of mouth-breathing, swivel-eyed conspiracy loons

Someone mention frothing mouth-breathing, swivel-eyed loons?

Scientists demand Britons wear face masks as new Covid variant spreads (15 Aug)

Dr Trisha Greenhalgh, an internationally-renowned expert in primary care, based at the University of Oxford, tweeted: “It looks like it’s once again time to MASK UP”.

Meanwhile, Professor Christina Pagel, a mathematician from University College London who sits on Independent SAGE, said: “To everyone else — very very early days but this coronavirus variant (now in 2 countries) has a LOT of new mutations that makes it v different to previous Omicron strains.”

They just never stop. Sheesh.

Roger
Roger
August 16, 2023 11:05 am

Flood mitigation in already established areas would be horrendously expensive.

In the case of one QLD town in the Lockyer Valley, after the devastating January 2011 floods, in a commendable act of local initiative, they decided to move the whole town to higher ground via means of a large land purchase and swapping of lots.

What to do in low lying Brisbane suburbs is not so easily resolved.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 16, 2023 11:06 am

Just reading the Joe Aston piece on the Albo-Joyce lovefest.
The man can write.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 11:08 am

Knuckle Dragger

Aug 16, 2023 10:03 AM

Having already experienced Exhibit A, Exhibit B follows:

Never ceases to amaze me as to people who can’t write/type english.

English.

You know. Like ‘sirry iriot’.

I think that is the Lady Boy playing with Wodney’s phone.
You know how it goes after that.
Wodney gets angry.
Lady Boy placates him in the usual way.
“Me lub you long time Mr Wodney!”

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 16, 2023 11:08 am

Qantas the only voice reaching Anthony Albanese
Joe AstonColumnist

Anthony Albanese and Alan Joyce joined forces for a media spectacular on Monday. Before an adoring crowd and a medley of celebrities at Sydney Airport, the Prime Minister and the Qantas CEO unveiled three Qantas aircraft painted with the “Yes23” logo in support of an Indigenous Voice to parliament.

For the unacquainted, “Yes23” is Albo’s answer to the dual questions “Would you like a secret Chairman’s Lounge membership for your son and how old is he?”

Albanese and Joyce posed for photos with Adam Goodes, Noel Pearson and Linda Burney – though curiously, Qantas’ incoming CEO Vanessa Hudson didn’t make the cut.

Bear in mind, Qantas hasn’t painted entire jumbo jets in Indigenous livery, as it’s been doing since 1994. These are logo stickers that barely cover four portholes on a regional turboprop, like something a bogan would put on the back windscreen of his ute. “If this van’s a-rockin’, don’t come a-knockin’!” Joyce probably had them made at Supercheap Auto in Bexley and he can peel them off his planes at a moment’s notice. That’s how much capital he’s really expended here.

Albanese was in full rhetorical flight. “There is no company in Australia that immediately says Australia like this brand of Qantas,” he said.

So Australia is complacent, decrepit, tone deaf, immensely greedy, a bully, a welfare bludger, a horrible boss and a voracious influence trafficker? Little wonder we all suffer from the cultural cringe.

“The Spirit of Australia says yes!” he proclaimed. Since when does the Prime Minister of Australia subjugate his high office to the marketing tagline of a vendor, of a rapacious corporation? His next stop was a Suncorp event, where he told the faithful “Lucky you’re with AAMI.”

The PM’s political antenna is clearly not functioning. How could he possibly believe the Yes campaign might reverse its flagging popular support by aligning with Australia’s most complained about company, with a brand suffering from “new levels of distrust”? How could he think that holding joint campaign stops with Joyce, Australia’s most reviled business leader, is beneficial for the Voice’s prospects?

By our rudimentary grasp of it, the Voice is the pathway, preferred by First Nations leaders, to repairing entrenched Aboriginal disadvantage. And Albo is barnstorming with Alan Joyce, who earned $24 million last year and just sold another $17 million of Qantas shares to buy his neighbour’s apartment. Knocking out the wall between his penthouse and the penthouse next door – that’s Alan’s idea of closing the gap. As if mug punters identify with this guy or his values. You’d be forgiven for wondering if Albo is trying to lose his referendum.

Best of all, Albanese and Joyce invited a battalion of journalists but then refused to take a single question. “Ladies and gentlemen, we’re here to pull the dust covers off our flying corflutes and to say some things that don’t make sense. Then we’re all moving on, thanks very much.”

“Here’s my stunt on the biggest political issue of the day. The end. Show’s over.”

Since when has that been a thing in Australia? Does Albanese think he’s Narendra Modi? It’s incredibly poor form and everyone can see what’s going on here. The Prime Minister is running away from having to explain the propriety of his conduct in relation to Qantas.

He won’t take questions because some of them might be, “Why did you hit up Alan Joyce for a Chairman’s Lounge membership for your adult son? How many free upgrades has he received? Why haven’t you declared this?”

Equally, Joyce will not want to clarify the commerciality, as he sees it, of his arrangement with the Albanese family – or indeed with all parliamentarians. Incidentally, someone should ask Joyce how many Indigenous Australians he’s invited to join the Chairman’s Lounge. Not very many is a safe bet.

Beholden to Joyce

The problem with Albanese’s covert Chairman’s Lounge gratuity is that he is now beholden to Joyce. He needs Joyce to protect him and not admit that in fact the PM solicited a gift. Therefore, Alan Joyce now has the Prime Minister of this country over a barrel. That’s how even the smallest favours can trap you.

Remember, the great Mick Young, a hero of the post-war ALP, resigned from Bob Hawke’s ministry over an undeclared teddy bear. Were Young alive today, what would he think of Albanese’s grasping ways?

It’s a serious lapse of judgment – especially from someone who apparently cannot restrain himself from intervening in aviation policy in a manner so clearly detrimental to the economic interests of ordinary Australians.

At face value, the decision of the Albanese government to refuse Qatar Airways’ bid to operate 28 new flights per week to Australia is a disgraceful one. Albo is smiling and nodding along to Catherine King’s comical, mutating justifications for it. Her decision was really his decision, and the only beneficiary is Qantas.

The entire travel sector, airports, wall-to-wall state Labor governments and even his own Trade Minister can barely believe it. Albanese is preventing 150,000 additional foreign tourists from arriving in Australia each year. They catch Ubers, drink coffee and buy clothes. They are customers of businesses who overwhelmingly employ low-paid workers.

Albo should talk to the struggling housekeeper at the Mantra in Brisbane who misses out on extra shifts as a result of his Qatari fatwa. She just wants to get her bad teeth fixed and buy her granddaughter a Christmas present. Could the PM explain to her why her job is less important to him than Alan Joyce’s?

This is where Albanese misunderstands the politics of this issue badly. These cleaners, those shop assistants, they’re Labor’s constituency, not fabulously rich Qantas executives. People getting off welfare into casual work – some of them might even be Aboriginal. They are the battlers enduring a cost-of-living crisis. They are the single mums so central to Albo’s heroic personal origin myth. And they’re the ones most harmed by his venal decision.

That’s the realpolitik here, but Albanese seems to have no grasp of it. His self-declared priorities are fighting inflation (which would include democratising airfares) while lifting wages for working people, but he is so totally captured. He’s lived at Kirribilli House a mere 15 months. Maybe long ago he saw a light on the hill. Now he only sees the mastlights on superyachts as they pass by.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 16, 2023 11:11 am

Flooding in urban areas is about the only reason a lot of the older golf courses got built at all. Win-win.

Rosie
Rosie
August 16, 2023 11:15 am

I guess YES23 locks Elbow into a referendum this year.
Otherwise he’s going to look like a real dumdum.

Roger
Roger
August 16, 2023 11:16 am

Dr Trisha Greenhalgh, an internationally-renowned expert in primary care, based at the University of Oxford, tweeted: “It looks like it’s once again time to MASK UP”.

She’s been caught exaggerating the risks before.

Did a degree in political science before acquiring her undergraduate medical degree, lectures on general practice. Another media-inflated expert.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 16, 2023 11:17 am

She just wants to get her bad teeth fixed and buy her granddaughter a Christmas present.

Reckon that’s not deliberate? Nice, right between the ribs.

calli
calli
August 16, 2023 11:17 am

Just googled the two professors spruiking masks.

Yes. I understand now.

Razey
Razey
August 16, 2023 11:20 am

The problem with the constant attempts to link the jab ……

Most of that is psy-OP from Vaxtards. I do the same thing to the leftards. EG – If you haven’t taken your 5th shot, you’re a cooker.

Roger
Roger
August 16, 2023 11:21 am

The PM’s political antenna is clearly not functioning. How could he possibly believe the Yes campaign might reverse its flagging popular support by aligning with Australia’s most complained about company…

Perhaps Jodie is his sounding board.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 11:25 am

Dr F at 10:10

Sadly for Uncle Luigi and his attendants, as details emerge blinking into the political daylight, the Voice appears headed for a result built more along party-lines and merits rather than emoting. So, in the final result, far from being an historic Labor Moment, Albanese’s legacy is shaping up to having to mop up a badly managed, divisive issue with obvious electoral consequences – a self-inflicted wound.

Yes.
This was going to be Luigi the Unbelievable’s legacy to a grateful nation, and elevate him to Gough -1 level in the pantheon of Great Labor Leaders.
If it sinks it will be his legacy alright.
No-one will go near it for a generation and it will be Albo’s Albatross.

Dot
Dot
August 16, 2023 11:28 am

What a cool little mutt.

Wookadawiddleface!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoky_(dog)

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 11:35 am

Rosie

Aug 16, 2023 10:36 AM

Alex Collins died in a MOTORCYCLE accident.
Please stop linking to moronTube.

But was the motorcycle manufactured by Big Motorcycle?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 16, 2023 11:37 am

Load reduction in hot weather is necessary as the conductors will exceed their safe heat limit.
Conversely you can up the load in cold weather but only if you have a widespread weather monitoring network.
Another piece off information forced upon my brain by the power line fight.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 16, 2023 11:45 am

Qantas the only voice reaching Anthony Albanese
Joe Aston Columnist

Even Bernard Kean chokes on QANTAS’s involvement.

The national airline’s support for the Yes campaign will delight those in the No campaign. And its support for a ‘fair go’ is risible.

(Albeit from a somewhat different perspective to Joe Aston’s.)

m0nty
m0nty
August 16, 2023 11:47 am

Monty you clown everyone from a police prosecutor at Louth to the State’s KC DPP appearing at a mafia murder trial must prove the fault and physical element of each offence. It is embedded in common and civil law systems.

Yes Dot, that is what Willis will do.

You asked me to prove it. That’s not my job. That’s hers.

You were strapping on the monocle and trying to sea lion your way to rhetorical victory. That weak tea doesn’t wash with me. You can wait for Willis to make her case in court along with the rest of us spectators.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 16, 2023 11:48 am

It’s official. Canberra is to the left of California. Literally.

Australia signs green climate deal with California (Sky News, 16 Aug)

Australia and California have signed a memorandum of understanding, pledging to collaborate on climate change. The agreement outlines a framework for clean energy, green finance, green transport, research and development. Australia’s Ambassador to the US Kevin Rudd says the agreement will help both governments do enormously good things for the world.

Maybe Mr Rudd could ask them to supply us some electricity, since we’ll be needing it very soon. Oops, it turns out California sponges more electricity off other states than any state in the US. Oh and they have more blackouts too. We should ask Kevin about California’s energy prowess.

m0nty
m0nty
August 16, 2023 11:53 am

Harry Litman @harrylitman

The basic structure here: 1 count of RICO applied to all 19 defendants. 161 overt acts, of which DA has to prove only 2, in furtherance of the conspiracy. 40 of those are crimes, and those are charged separately, re only those defendants who committed them as counts 2-41.

Given that most of those crimes were committed in the open and/or were contemporaneously reported with transcripts and recorded audio, it’s not going to be a difficult case to prove.

In short, they are all guilty as hell, and everyone knows it. If you are still denying it, you are inside an epistemic bubble which is currently having a blowtorch applied from four angles.

m0nty
m0nty
August 16, 2023 11:55 am

The Spectator Index @spectatorindex
BREAKING: Russia’s central bank has raised its key interest rate from 8.5% to 12%.

Vladimir Putin remains a master strategist.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 11:56 am

Dr F over the page.

A close cousin to the impact that scammers like The Expose, the (possibly well-meaning, possibly not) flock of North American pseudo scientists, and (tragically, for me at least) Norman Fenton had on whatever rational discussion was possible on the Public Health consequences of Covid vaccination. All too easily booted into the long grass as the frothings of mouth-breathing, swivel-eyed conspiracy loons.

The other problem is that anyone who engages in more considered research based on reasonable scepticism* and doesn’t swallow ThE TruTh whole is rejected as a “shill for Big Pharma”.
Pureblood dogma.
Hi St Ruth!

* i.e. questioning whether ploughing the Harley into a tree, or being struck by lightning is, in fact, a vax death.

Roger
Roger
August 16, 2023 11:59 am

Ambassador to the US Kevin Rudd says the agreement will help both governments do enormously good things for the world.

Sounds ominous.

Meanwhile, Chris Bowen flags green tariffs for Chinese steel & cement.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 12:00 pm

For the unacquainted, “Yes23” is Albo’s answer to the dual questions “Would you like a secret Chairman’s Lounge membership for your son and how old is he?”

Gold.
99.99% pure gold.

Alamak!
August 16, 2023 12:04 pm

Chris Bowen flags green tariffs for Chinese steel & cement.

Which will be met by 3 X tariffs on what we export to China in areas where chinese producers need an edge.

Do Labor have anyone in Canberra with experience or any ability to game-plan these changes?

Winging everything based “feelz” appears to be their one and only talent.

Roger
Roger
August 16, 2023 12:05 pm

Do Labor have anyone in Canberra with experience or any ability to game-plan these changes?

I’ll take that as a rhetorical question.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 12:06 pm

The Joe Aston article on Albo’s Qantas grift posted by ‘bern at the top ‘o de page is a thing of beauty.
A must read.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 16, 2023 12:08 pm

Luigi the Unbelievable is the mutley of politics.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 16, 2023 12:09 pm

Blessed peace.

Nearly 50% of environmentalists abandoned Twitter following Musk’s takeover (Phys.org, 15 Aug)

Since then, reports a team of researchers in the journal Trends in Ecology and Evolution on August 15, there has been a mass exodus of environmental users on the platform—a phenomenon that could have serious implications for public communication surrounding topics like biodiversity, climate change, and natural disaster recovery.

Haha, they say it like this is a bad thing. Bye, greenies, take your lurid fever dreams elsewhere.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 12:10 pm

H B Bear

Aug 16, 2023 11:17 AM

She just wants to get her bad teeth fixed and buy her granddaughter a Christmas present.

Reckon that’s not deliberate? Nice, right between the ribs.

Bwah ha ha ha.
“I’d like to thchedule a conthultathun with the orthodonthith.”
“What?”
“The orthodonthith. I need to thee the orthodonthith.”

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 16, 2023 12:12 pm

Rosie Luigi already looks like a dumdum.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 16, 2023 12:13 pm

Given that most of those crimes were committed in the open and/or were contemporaneously reported with transcripts and recorded audio, it’s not going to be a difficult case to prove.

What crimes? There weren’t any.

Darth Monty you should really spend more time teaching your stormtroopers to shoot straight.

I’m amused that the Georgia judge has said that cameras will be allowed in court. I don’t think that decision will stay decided for long, not after the evidence the election was indeed stolen starts to be shown.

Dot
Dot
August 16, 2023 12:14 pm

“Trump committed these brazen crimes openly, but I can’t tell you why they are a crime.”

FM sideways.

Guilty before committal, but it’s not on you to prove guilt?

A hide as thick as a size 48 business shirt wearer’s girth.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 12:16 pm

H B Bear

Aug 16, 2023 11:11 AM

Flooding in urban areas is about the only reason a lot of the older golf courses got built at all. Win-win.

Yes.
The very reason Flemington was set aside for a race course in the first place.
Which makes you wonder why they built a choke point of concrete barriers which slowed the flow of water onto the racecourse and on to the bay and backed it up into upstream properties.
The wondering ceases when you see that the barriers have converted erstwhile flood-prone land on the racecourse reserve into juicy plots ripe for development.

shatterzzz
August 16, 2023 12:18 pm
m0nty
m0nty
August 16, 2023 12:20 pm

Nothing remotely indictable except inspecting a voting machine and some ballots. Regarding those he appears to’ve missed the story that those staffers were apparently invited to do just that by the elections people.

Nothing indictable except… the heart of the case.

Those “elections people” you mention were indicted as well, because it was illegal for them to issue an invitation for unauthorised partisans to access the machines and ballots.

So Bruce, by your own words, Trump and his co-defendants are guilty.

JMH
JMH
August 16, 2023 12:22 pm

newscom is running a poll “How will you vote in the Voice referendum”.
88,531 votes so far. 85% NO; 10% YES and 5% undecided.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/why-would-i-anthony-albanese-hasnt-read-additional-25-pages-of-uluru-statement-material/news-story/dc24efdd1546b9c7183418f82d3bf553

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 16, 2023 12:30 pm

How long before Albo goes from “no questions to answer” re his son to “leave my family out of it”?

m0nty
m0nty
August 16, 2023 12:32 pm

Wingnut talking points:

“oh but they were allowed to access those voting machines and ballots”… no, they weren’t, and the Republican electoral officials who provided illegal authorisation were also charged as part of the RICO conspiracy

“this charge is all about tweets and speeches” … there are tweets and speeches among the 161 acts listed in the indictments, but there are also 40 crimes and those are the important elements, not the public statements

“discovery will be mint, we will uncover the real crimes” … no you won’t moron, Republicans run the state of Georgia, there was no conspiracy against you, you lost fair and square

“this is the Deep State conspiring against freedom-lovers” … no, the majority of those indicted in Georgia were elected officials at the time so this is an actual real-life example of a Deep State conspiracy, much as you hate to admit it

“how can a two-bit DA in a county indict a former President, no fair” … well then, the former President shouldn’t have committed those crimes in that county, and he’ll probably be charged similarly in Arizona, and could potentially be charged in half a dozen other states, and it will be his own fault

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 16, 2023 12:34 pm

Those “elections people” you mention were indicted as well, because it was illegal for them to issue an invitation for unauthorised partisans to access the machines and ballots.

So Bruce, by your own words, Trump and his co-defendants are guilty.

LOL. Of what? If an election official breached the rules don’t you think that the election official should be the one indicted, not the lawyers who accepted the official letter with good grace? And a breach of the rules as insignificant as that would be a barely slap over the knuckles offence – again for the election official not the people who were officially allowed, in writing, to inspect the machine and the ballots.

I have no doubt that the voting machine would’ve been sanitized before such an inspection anyway, but there is no doubt at all that the Trump lawyers were doing exactly the right thing. With evidence in writing.

And that is the only even theoretical offence in this whole confabulation. Everything else is clearly protected under the US Constitution, and is no more than what reams of Democrats have been claiming, right back to Al Gore. Stacy Abrams has been squawking about unfairly losing the election for GA governor for years ever since she lost. Which is about as ironic as you can get in this situation.

m0nty
m0nty
August 16, 2023 12:40 pm

John Hinderaker is hilarious, as usual. After a lot of meaningless harrumphing, he finally gets to the meat of the matter in his second-last paragraph:

In my view, there are only two small portions of the indictment that allege actual crimes. The first relates to some of the defendants gaining access to a voting machine, and also to some physical ballots, as part of their effort to find evidence of voter fraud. I assume that these actions were actually illegal as alleged in the indictment, but they are not particularly serious and hardly justify the grand conspiracy described in the indictment. The indictment also alleges that someone named Robert Cheeley committed perjury in his testimony before the Grand Jury. I have no idea whether that allegation is true, but if so, it obviously does constitute a crime.

Progress, we are admitting that there were crimes here! Cheeley wasn’t the only one accused of perjury, but I presume Hinderaker is fine with putting him up as a sacrificial lamb to protect more famous indictees like Sidney Powell.

Saying that the crime of allowing partisan operatives for the sitting President to access voting machines and ballots for an election he lost as “not particularly serious” is embarrassingly clownish. Par for the course for Hinderaker, he’s almost as dumb as Jim Hoft who is the stupidest man on the Internet.

m0nty
m0nty
August 16, 2023 12:43 pm

LOL. Of what? If an election official breached the rules don’t you think that the election official should be the one indicted, not the lawyers who accepted the official letter with good grace? And a breach of the rules as insignificant as that would be a barely slap over the knuckles offence – again for the election official not the people who were officially allowed, in writing, to inspect the machine and the ballots.

I have no doubt that the voting machine would’ve been sanitized before such an inspection anyway, but there is no doubt at all that the Trump lawyers were doing exactly the right thing. With evidence in writing.

It would be convenient for Trump to leave the Georgia election officials swinging in the breeze, wouldn’t it? After all, you gotta protect the capo. It’s our thing, capiche? pinches fingers

The similarities between the Republican Party and the Mob are greater than the differences at this point.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 16, 2023 12:44 pm

But was the motorcycle manufactured by Big Motorcycle?

The motorcycle was vaccinated.

Razey
Razey
August 16, 2023 12:48 pm
Johnny Rotten
August 16, 2023 12:54 pm

Sancho Panzer
Aug 16, 2023 11:08 AM

More ‘sirry iriot’ comments from Mrs Stencho Pantyhose (Lady Boy of course) who still seems to have that lisp.

shatterzzz
August 16, 2023 12:54 pm

Even Bernard Kean chokes on QANTAS’s involvement.

Ya gotta feel for Luigi .. not! .. LOL!
When you upset one of your loudest online media spruikers ya knoze yez got serious problems ……. LOL!

Johnny Rotten
August 16, 2023 12:59 pm

And more Armstrong for all those Armstrong ‘luvvers’ here –

Have Trump’s Lawyers Been Compromised?

QUESTION: In “The Trump Florida Indictment Violates the Constitution,” you recommend that Trump’s lawyers should file motions to dismiss based on substantive due process violations. I am a lawyer and believe you’re correct. Any speculation as to why they don’t?

FS

ANSWER: Not sure if they are representing him. This has never been done before. It is certainly a ripe question of first impression for the Supreme Court. I would be jumping all over this.

My concern is that there has to be a reason they are NOT really defending him. They may have been intimidated by the government. They imply the IRS might personally audit them if they do not cooperate. I am stating this OPENLY for someone had better really defend Trump, for this is more than him; this is the entire rule of law on trial here. As you know, once they create a precedent, they will cite Trump’s case and start indicting people in one district after venue shopping and then put them on trial only to comply with the 6th Amendment.

They already rig the selection process for judges more often than not. Here is my docket sheet. Judge McKenna granted my motion to compel the government to explain the case against me because they constantly changed the theory. The prosecutors went to the Chief Judge and had my case removed from Judge McKenna to John F. Keenan, who, on the first day, overruled Judge McKenna and denied my motion after McKenna had granted it. I have witnessed every dirty trick in the book that these people pull.

The court-appointed lawyer David Cooper never said a word. This was an outright denial of my Due Process right, and he REFUSED ever to file an appeal. The Supreme Court has subsequently held that a lawyer who refused to file an appeal is ineffective assistance of counsel. I believe the government threatened him, and they may be doing the same to Trump’s lawyers. Of course, they will never admit that.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/rule-of-law/have-trumps-lawyers-been-compromised/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 1:03 pm

feelthebern

Aug 16, 2023 12:30 PM

How long before Albo goes from “no questions to answer” re his son to “leave my family out of it”?

And refers to Albo Minor as “a proud Houso man just trying to make his way in the world”.

Alamak!
August 16, 2023 1:07 pm

And refers to Albo Minor as “a proud Houso man just trying to make his way in the world”.

Albo – always was, always will be a Grifter from the heart with zero self-awarenezz

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 1:10 pm

feelthebern

Aug 16, 2023 12:30 PM

How long before Albo goes from “no questions to answer” re his son to “leave my family out of it”?

Mind you, there is the fractured family angle to this.
This is Luigi’s FU to the ex.
Luigi and New Mummy giving the boy something ex couldn’t.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 16, 2023 1:26 pm

serpentza said to get the f*ck out of the joint!

Stew Peters Show:

“White Genocide Tied To George Soros Groups In South Africa: Open Society Org Backs Anti-White Agenda

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 1:47 pm

Daily Mail hitting the high standards again.
Someone on “The Chase” TV show “forced to apologise for making a crude joke about her cooking putting her boyfriend in hospital” only days after Ms Mushroom’s Wellington Waterloo lunch.
Except not really.
The show was taped weeks before the Chinese grocer’s murderous rampage.
Allegedly.

Vicki
Vicki
August 16, 2023 1:55 pm

Until today I did not know that NSW Liberal MP for Badgery’s Creek (formerly seat of Mulgoa) Tanya Davies not only held her seat in the midst of a Liberal Party rout at the recent election, but she increased her majority by 3%!!

And why was that? Because, in spite of the retreat of her fellow Liberals, she publicly expressed her concern for the vaccine mandates, lockdowns and general attack on liberal values during the pandemic. This took enormous courage and commitment. I recall it well, and watched many of her remarks on the internet.

And, needless to say, she is an active MP looking after the interest of her constituents, and has been repaid by their loyalty, despite general dissatisfaction with the “Labor -lite” Liberals.

I believe she is going to stand for Deputy leader of the NSW Liberal Party. What a brilliant development that would be.

Vicki
Vicki
August 16, 2023 1:57 pm
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 16, 2023 1:59 pm

Another Female Amish Porky Pig in Fulton County – Matches Fulton Prosecutor

Fulton County Clerk Claims She Was Practicing for Trump Indictment When ‘Fictitious’ Document Was Posted

Late Monday night, District Attorney Fani Wilis announced that Trump and 18 others had been indicted and, guess what? The indictment contained the same charges that were on that fictitious document. When asked about the strange coincidence, Willis said:

“No, I can’t tell you anything about what you refer to. What I can tell you is that we had a grand jury here in Fulton County. They deliberated till almost 8 o’clock, if not right after 8 o’clock, an indictment was returned. It was true billed. And you now have an indictment.”

They must have figured out that people weren’t going to let it go, because Che Alexander, the Fulton County Clerk of Court, issued a long statement Tuesday detailing her version of events. Alexander claims that she was simply practicing in case the indictment did come through against numerous defendants because there could be tech issues and used a “fictitious docket sheet.” The second paragraph of the statement reads:

In anticipation of issues that arise with entering a potentially large indictment, Alexander used charges that pre-exist in Odyssey to test the system and conduct a trial run. Unfortunately, the sample working document led to the docketing of what appeared to be an indictment, but which was, in fact, only a fictitious docket sheet. Because the media has access to documents before they are published, and while it may have appeared that something official had occurred because the document bore a case number and filing date, it did not include a signed “true” or “no” bill nor an official stamp with Clerk Alexander’s name, thereby making the document unofficial and a test sample only.

So, what charges pre-exist in Odyssey to test the system?

If using a fictitious docket sheet, why use Trump’s name?

Why not “John Doe”?

If the issue was a large indictment, why not multiple defendants with clearly false names and numerous charges that weren’t the ones potentially in an indictment?

Why does the media have access to documents before they’re published? That seems odd.

Also, Fulton County is one of the largest jurisdictions in the country. Are we to believe that Alexander hasn’t had to process complex indictments in the past?

Hours later, after receiving the True Bill presented to presiding Judge, Robert McBurney, Clerk Alexander executed the filing with a file stamp and moments later she made the filing public.

Moments later?

We waited for hours after the True Bill was signed by the presiding Judge for anything to be public.

And once again, it was the crew at Reuters who seemed to have the information before everyone else.

Equitable communication?

This member of the media scoured Alexander’s site and couldn’t find any signup for notification of filings in real time and equitable communication.

There are still lots of questions for this clerk to answer.

The entire document can be read below.

Vicki
Vicki
August 16, 2023 1:59 pm

My apologies – for misleading last comment that Tanya DaviesMP was challenging for Deputy Leader of the NSW Libs. That was true – but related to unsuccessful attempt in April.

The Libs missed a great chance ….they are slow learners.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 16, 2023 2:00 pm

The Level of Pretending Needed to Believe This Is Jaw Dropping

August 15, 2023 – Sundance

The Fulton County clerk of courts is putting out the third public statement trying to explain and justify why they posted the grand jury indictment of Donald Trump before the grand jury had even met to vote on the indictment.

This latest explanation is so incredulous it’s almost impossible to believe they are making this public:

m0nty
m0nty
August 16, 2023 2:07 pm

There are still lots of questions for this clerk to answer.

LOL, wingnuts pretending this clerk’s stuff up is more important news than Trump’s 91st indictment.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 16, 2023 2:07 pm

Sancho Panzer
Aug 16, 2023 1:47 PM

Daily Mail hitting the high standards again.

Someone on “The Chase” TV show “forced to apologise for making a crude joke about her cooking putting her boyfriend in hospital” only days after Ms Mushroom’s Wellington Waterloo lunch.

Except not really.
The show was taped weeks before the Chinese grocer’s murderous rampage.
Allegedly.

Sancho Panzer,

I will see that and raise you with Cockatoo in hotel room channel 7 – 1 min 01 secs

Watch specifically from 27 secs onward –“Suspicious Minds”

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 16, 2023 2:08 pm
Black Ball
Black Ball
August 16, 2023 2:11 pm

“Trump committed these brazen crimes openly, but I can’t tell you why they are a crime.”

Did this sentence pass the turgid lips of the resident moron in monty?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 16, 2023 2:13 pm

How Stupid Is The Georgia Anti-Trump Case? They Indicted Trump For Tweeting At People To Watch TV

BY: TRISTAN JUSTICE
AUGUST 15, 2023

Here is a run-down of the ‘conspiratorial’ acts cited by the Fulton County district attorney’s office in the unprecedented indictment.

A local prosecutor in Georgia has become Democrats’ latest instrument of election interference, unveiling a fourth round of indictments against former President Donald Trump Monday night that cites activities like encouraging voters to tune into televised broadcasts.

Hours after Atlanta prosecutors prematurely uploaded the Trump indictments to an official government website, the Fulton County district attorney’s office secured the long-sought charges against the Republican frontrunner 15 months before the next election. Fani Willis successfully indicted 19 total defendants she plans to bring to trial together.

With 13 additional counts from Georgia prosecutors over objections to the 2020 presidential election, Trump is now faced with 91 charges as he leads the race for next year’s Republican nomination. Those now facing charges along with the former president include Trump’s last White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and attorney Rudy Giuliani.

Here is a run-down of the “conspiratorial” acts cited by the Fulton County district attorney’s office in the unprecedented indictment.

. Asking for Phone Numbers Is ‘Conspiracy’
. Encouraging Voters to Watch Television Is ‘Conspiracy’
. Grassroots Campaigning Is ‘Conspiracy’
. Reserving Rooms Is ‘Conspiracy’
. Seeking Signature Verification Is ‘Conspiracy
. Encouraging Someone to Attend a Hearing Is ‘Conspiracy’
. Encouraging Special Legislative Sessions Is ‘Conspiracy’
. Phone Calls to Lawmakers Are ‘Conspiracy’

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 16, 2023 2:13 pm
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 16, 2023 2:21 pm

August 15, 2023

Ballot Harvesting — Only The Brain Dead Believe It Now!

The world of U.S. election fraud tactics changed forever — in the most fundamental of ways — last week with the Gateway Pundit publication of the alleged 2020 Michigan ballot manufacturing factory.

Days later, the Michigan Secretary of State confirmed that indeed this event did take place, adding a little different spin — the system caught this fraud before it impacted an election.

Interesting that now, three years later, an admitted massive election fraud event did occur — yet not one person has been jailed. Not one prosecuted. Not one indicted. Crickets!

One would think Michigan would have announced such a “catch.” But no, only diligent citizens who dug out a State Police report that would otherwise have lain dormant — forever.

Anyone who now believes Republicans will win 2024 ballot harvesting, while leftists can print new ballots in the basement, is delusional.

Dan Bongino on his August 10th podcast spoke for many when he said the election fraud narrative has become toxic from crazies (37:21) who claim outlandish election fraud schemes. These charlatans detract from the real election fraud — ballot manufacturing.

No more.

As Bongino noted, leftists committed at-scale election fraud in 2020 the old-fashioned way — by printing or collecting ballots, stuffing the ballot box, no URLs tied to China needed!

The election integrity world is different today because the Gateway Pundit outed an official 2020 Michigan State Police report with all the pertinent info.

As sleuths dug in, they found this ballot manufacturing scheme tied to an entity, GBI, operating in 20 states.

Fake, pre-printed ballots by the thousands. Fake addresses, guns, gift cards. Colorful stuff. Over $11 million came for 2020 “voter registration.” Some dough from the Biden Campaign.

While we bask in the reality that at-scale ballot manufacturing funded by leftists,undeniably happened in 2020 — was investigated by the Michigan State Police and forwarded to the FBI — we point out a much more important reality.

All the ballot harvesting in the world cannot stop one ballot manufacturing operation.

To fight ballot manufacturing in 2024 one must freeze addresses — publicly.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 16, 2023 2:29 pm

The ham sandwich indictment in Fulton County

Gather ’round as we delve into the latest courtroom drama that has left legal minds across the nation scratching their heads.

Consider the grand jury indictment in Fulton County, Georgia, involving none other than the 45th President of the United States and no fewer than 18 co-defendants.

The charges? A whopping 41 counts, all related to Trump’s 2020 election challenge.

Can you smell the justice in the air? Or is that just the aroma of a certain cured meat product?

In a stunning display of efficiency, Fulton County District Attorney, Fani Willis, managed to convene a grand jury for a grand total of 10 hours.

Now, I know what you’re thinking – surely, such complex matters as racketeering charges involving over a dozen defendants warrant at least a few days of contemplation, right? Wrong!

Who needs the niceties of due process when you’ve got the news of a Hunter Biden special counsel to knock out of the news cycle?

This grand jury’s ability to hear, process, and consider 41 counts and the intricacies of racketeering in a mere 10 hours is nothing short of remarkable.

They must have been fueled by supercharged legal caffeine, capable of absorbing and dissecting volumes of information at warp speed.

But, here’s where things get really exciting.

The indictment was posted on the Fulton County courts website, even before the grand jury had a chance to deliberate.

That’s right, the ham sandwich was indicted before the ham sandwich was even prepared.

It’s almost as if the whole process was just a formality – a mere procedural obstacle to overcome on the path to banana republic justice.

But let’s not be too cynical.

Surely, the DA had a good reason for posting the indictment early. Maybe they wanted to give the public a sneak peek, a tantalizing taste of the legal feast to come.

Or perhaps they just wanted to show off their impeccable multitasking skills – after all, who wouldn’t want to juggle an indictment, a grand jury, and a court filing all at once?

And let’s not forget the pièce de résistance – a thoroughly unbiased judge (I’m sure) was assigned to the case even before the grand jury returned an indictment.

That, my friends, is the pinnacle of legal efficiency.

Who needs the pesky inconvenience of a deliberation process when you can just skip ahead to the inevitable conclusion? It’s like starting a movie night by watching the last five minutes of the film first – suspense be damned!

While it’s easy to make light of the situation and sarcasm is justified, the damage the Democrats are doing to our system of justice is a national tragedy.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 16, 2023 2:48 pm

Indictment Four: Trump as Racketeer

Alleging a RICO conspiracy makes the Georgia 2020 election case less credible.

By The WSJ Editorial Board

The fourth indictment of former President Donald Trump reads like an exercise at throwing everything at the jury to see what might stick.

Fani Willis, the Democratic district attorney in Fulton County, Ga., has assembled a 98-page charge sheet with 41 counts and 19 defendants, yet little fresh evidence regarding Mr. Trump.

The big news is the DA’s use of the state’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO. It treats Mr. Trump’s attempt to reverse the 2020 election as if it were a mafia operation rather than bumblers who controlled no election machinery in Georgia or anywhere else. The alleged behavior was rotten, but inflating it into a RICO conspiracy makes the case less credible, not more.

We should add that these columns criticized the use of RICO for uses other than against organized crime when then U.S. Attorney Rudy Giuliani used it against Wall Street in the 1980s. Now Mr. Giuliani, in an irony noticed by the New York Sun, is charged with violating RICO. Its use now is no better than it was then.

Unlike the federal indictment from special counsel Jack Smith, the Georgia filing doesn’t address Mr. Trump’s free speech under the First Amendment.

Every half-baked tweet from Mr. Trump is presented as another RICO act:

“DONALD JOHN TRUMP caused to be tweeted from the Twitter account @RealDonaldTrump, ‘The Vice President has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors.’ This was an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.”

Ms. Willis is reading genius calculation into desperation.

Mr. Trump is also charged with soliciting a public officer to violate his oath, based on his infamous call urging Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to find enough votes to overturn the Georgia result. The worst part of the call was Mr. Trump’s warning that Mr. Raffensperger was taking “a big risk,” because failing to report fraud, “that’s a criminal offense.”

But can Ms. Willis prove that Mr. Trump’s conduct was criminal, not delusional?

“I didn’t lose the state, Brad,” Mr. Trump said. “People have been saying that it was the highest vote ever. There was no way.” He was bewildered that other Republicans hadn’t lost, while he had. “They had people in Georgia, for instance, that won, and I was way ahead of them,” Mr. Trump told a state investigator on a December 2020 call. “They call it coat tails, right, and we pulled them across, and they say, ‘there’s no way I beat you by 15 points.’”

The obvious answer is that a decisive share of suburban Republicans didn’t want Mr. Trump for four more years. A hand recount of wards in Wisconsin found areas where 10.5% of ballots for President Biden went GOP for Congress. Mr. Trump lagged Wisconsin’s five Republican Congressmen by 63,547 votes, as Mr. Biden ran ahead of Democrats in those races by 64,880. In Milwaukee Mr. Trump actually improved his margin, to 19.6% of the vote, from 18.4% in 2016.

But Mr. Trump had serpents whispering the opposite into his ears. “There was no point in time,” former Vice President Mike Pence said last week, “that the President ever told me that he knew he had lost.”

Mr. Trump’s lawyers will first seek to move the case out of Georgia to a federal court, and they have a point.

Many of the alleged RICO acts relate to events in Pennsylvania, Arizona and other contested states.

As with the Smith indictment, Mr. Trump also has a reasonable claim of “absolute immunity” for actions taken related to his duties as President, including trying to uncover voter fraud.

See the Supreme Court’s 1982 ruling in Nixon v. Fitzgerald. The press corps is ignoring this defense, but then they are often caught by legal surprise.

The most damaging parts of the indictment are the counts alleging that lawyer Sidney Powell hired a Fulton County contractor to travel to Coffee County, where the team apparently met up with the sympathetic then-elections supervisor. The intent, says the indictment, included “tampering” with election equipment and “removing voter data.” Physical security of voting machines is crucial, but those counts don’t include Mr. Trump and could be filed as separate indictments for computer crimes.

The Georgia indictment is unlikely to move public opinion, in part because of its breadth and timing. Ms. Willis spent two-and-a-half years investigating. Now she wants a trial in six months, smack in the middle of the 2024 primaries. After watching prosecutors, especially New York’s Alvin Bragg, stretch the law to encircle Mr. Trump, many Republicans rallied to his side. That hasn’t changed with more indictments.

There’s no defending Mr. Trump’s awful conduct after the 2020 election, and it would be a mistake for Republicans to try.

But most Republicans look at these indictments, and the pass for Hillary Clinton and Hunter Biden, and see partisan prosecutions and double standards.

Four indictments later, prosecuting Mr. Trump, instead of leaving the judgment to voters and history, still seems like a bad idea for the country.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 16, 2023 2:52 pm

Newt Gingrich: This is The Greatest Constitutional Crisis Since the 1850s

NEWT GINGRICH:

I think what you’re seeing tonight is one tree in a forest, and I think we are drifting towards the greatest Constitutional crisis since the 1850s and the rise of secession and the Civil War. I don’t mean that as hyperbole.

If you read Andy McCarthy’s remarkable book, Ball of Collusion, which came out in 2019, he makes very clear that it is Barack Obama who corrupts the Justice Department, it is Hillary Clinton who routinely breaks the law and gets away with it, and now we have Joe Biden who has learned. He’s learned from Obama that is doesn’t matter what you do, if you’re a liberal Democrat, you will not be prosecuted.

He learned from Hillary that a person in high public office can get millions and millions of dollars. And they learned from watching Donald Trump that a true outsider, willing to take on the entire system could destroy their entire machine.

So what you’re seeing across the country, is the desperate, last-ditch effort of the corrupt machine to destroy their most dangerous opponent in a way which not only breaks the Constitution, destroys the rule of law, and establishes a moment of bitterness that I think will last for a generation or more.

I think this is going to be a horrendous period and we just need to understand, the people who want to control America and dictate to the rest of us will break any law, lie about any topic, and manipulate you any way they can, and that includes a lot of the elite news media.

Speedbox
August 16, 2023 3:07 pm

I’ve made a couple of minor edits but those words of Newt Gingrich resonate with me as to what I see happening in the USA via the absurd pursuit of Donald Trump.

It is the desperate, last-ditch effort of the corrupt machine to destroy their most dangerous opponent in a way which not only breaks the Constitution, destroys the rule of law, and establishes a moment of bitterness that will last for a generation or more.

We are being led and pushed into a period with very serious consequences. We must recognise that the people who want to control America and who are accustomed to dictating to the rest of the world will break any law, lie about any topic, and manipulate us in any way they can – and that includes the majority of the elite news media.

Speedbox
August 16, 2023 3:17 pm

This may have already been covered today but it seems that Albo let the cat out of the bag by admitting he hadn’t read the full text of the Uluru Statement from the Heart which talks about reparations to Indigenous Australians under a treaty.

Is this the moment when the Voice can be thought to be hopelessly wounded and a lost cause?

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/why-would-i-anthony-albanese-hasnt-read-additional-25-pages-of-uluru-statement-material/news-story/dc24efdd1546b9c7183418f82d3bf553

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 16, 2023 3:39 pm

Albo let the cat out of the bag by admitting he hadn’t read the full text of the Uluru Statement from the Heart which talks about reparations to Indigenous Australians under a treaty

In a just world, this would directly lead to outright condemnation from:

1. The supposed beneficiaries of the Voice, along the lines of ‘What? The most important 25 pages in our 180,000 year history, and you just looked at the cover page? You don’t care! How dare you!’; and

2. Everybody else, in a similar manner to ‘You want to spend untold billions of our money on something you know nothing about, on top of the $33 billion annually on this very issue and which will permanently alter the Constitution, not to mention its impact on 25 of 27 million of us on the strength of a document drafted by other people and which you haven’t even read?

‘WTF! How dare you!’

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 16, 2023 3:48 pm

You asked me to prove it. That’s not my job. That’s hers.

Indeed. The job of the fat fascist fool is to propagandist the accusations as much as possible, before they are laughed out of court, then to loose sufficient distraction squirrels to hide that reality.

And he does it all for free!

Rafiki
Rafiki
August 16, 2023 3:50 pm

Speedbox
Anyone who has grasped in general terms what the Voice is about and will vote Yes is unlikely to change their vote, for such people are not rational. This news may solidify the intentions of the No declarants. Assuming Victoria and Tasmania vote Yes, will enough non-committed in 2 of the other 4 States be persuaded to vote Yes and produce a 4:2 Yes split? I guess we can say Albo’s admission won’t help. But who knows what will influence them to vote one way or the other, or even to vote. I doubt many will even be aware of Albo’s admission.
I can’t see a Mediscare-type lie emerging. Maybe a gaggle of Yes promoting Matildas being flown around the country by QANTAS?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 16, 2023 3:55 pm

H B Bear

Aug 16, 2023 11:11 AM

Flooding in urban areas is about the only reason a lot of the older golf courses got built at all. Win-win.

Yes.
The very reason Flemington was set aside for a race course in the first place.

So that if there was a flood only horses would drown?

Horses are people too!

Equine Rights are Human Rights!

I am off to glue my face to the sand at Bondi Beach to raise awareness of this problem. If that means being a boring nuisance to people who have nothing to do with the situation then so be it.

WHO IS WITH ME?

(WHO, UNICEF, WEF, Peta, GreenPeace, and others.)

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 3:55 pm

Speedbox

Aug 16, 2023 3:17 PM

This may have already been covered today but it seems that Albo let the cat out of the bag by admitting he hadn’t read the full text of the Uluru Statement from the Heart which talks about reparations to Indigenous Australians under a treaty.

I heard it on 3AW Speedbox. Now, I think I have a fairly high tolerance for the inane shit that comes out of the mouths of pollies, but that was something.
Of course, that is the only bluff left now. If he says he has read it, the questions will follow.
Treaty?
Reparations?
Any answer will either push the Yes vote further down the hole or enrage the From de Heart bandwagon.
Or possibly both.

Is this the moment when the Voice can be thought to be hopelessly wounded and a lost cause?

Yes.
I did wonder if this little slip was contained to 3AW, and not reported more widely, it might slip down the back of the forgettery filing cabinet.
But when it is being read by the kiddies on news.com.au …

It has the makings of a brilliant advert for “No”.
Just play those words followed by the voice-over, “It’s the Constitution, Luigi. Not a phone contract”.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 16, 2023 3:56 pm

Opinion: Labor losing grip on reality with its identity politics obsession

Labor’s recent obsession with identity politics will see it destroy its otherwise firm grip on reality, writes a former Keating minister.

Gary Johns

Here’s a great idea. The Albanese government could trial the Indigenous Voice to Parliament by enlisting Aboriginal representatives to attend the national ALP conference commencing in Brisbane on Thursday.

The Prime Minister already has a posse ready to go, the members of his referendum working group, most of whom would be very familiar with ALP national conferences.

Indeed, I observed a young Marcia Langton at the 1982 conference in Canberra having a very robust debate with ­delegates.

The Aboriginal delegates could have a right to advise on all motions of concern put to the conference.

This may extend the conference by several weeks, but it would be an excellent opportunity for Labor to demonstrate how the Voice would work should Australia vote yes in the forthcoming ­referendum.

With the conference dominated by Left delegates, they would be falling over themselves to agree with whatever proposals the Aboriginal delegates would put to the floor.

After day one, the Aboriginal delegates, emboldened, would put increasingly contentious proposals to the conference – what fun.

The 49th Australian Labor Party national conference is the first in Queensland since the 1970s.

Labor was then in the grips of the ‘‘old guard’’, union officials in brown cardigans intent on controlling all conversations, to the extent there were any.

It was a dark and anti-democratic time for Labor.

Much of the party’s electoral and policy history since has been far more open and enlivened, which is good.

Its recent obsession with identity politics will see it destroy its otherwise firm grip on reality, and that’s bad.

This is most evident in Aboriginal policy.

The 2023 draft platform contains the oft-repeated statement by the Prime Minister: ‘‘Labor supports the implementation of the Uluru Statement from the Heart in full, beginning with enshrining an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice in the Australian Constitution.’’

To nail the lid on the coffin, the draft platform also reads: “Labor supports all elements of the Uluru Statement from the Heart, including a constitutionally enshrined Voice to Parliament, a Makarrata Commission for agreement-making and a national process of truth-telling.

“Labor will take steps to implement all three elements of the Uluru Statement from the Heart in this term of government.”

But there is more. Labor commits to “a stand-alone piece of cultural heritage legislation”.

Having leaned on the West Australian Labor government to withdraw its cultural heritage legislation, at least for the course of the referendum campaign, federal Labor has vowed to step in to fill the gap.

West Australian voters’ anger at the heritage legislation will be become Australia’s anger.

This is not a smart move.

It is the opposite of Bob Hawke’s retreat from national land rights legislation under pressure from West Australian premier Brian Burke in the 1980s.

This time federal Labor wants to double down on the foolishness.

A further disquieting step is ‘‘co-design’’ of ‘‘legislative reform, policy transformation, administrative improvement and governance’’.

It should be clear by now that the past 25 years in Aboriginal affairs has been an exercise in co-design.

That is why there is a gap that needs closing.

Aboriginal ownership and voice has ensured the livelihoods of university graduates of Aboriginal descent.

But it has locked poorly educated, non-integrated Aborigines out of the market economy and the open society.

For example, Labor believes that ‘‘First Nations people have a right to live on their traditional lands’’.

Labor also believes that it is crucial that ‘‘remote communities have essential services and are empowered to participate in the design and provision of those services as genuine partners’’.

This is all very well, but who pays for this ‘‘right’’?

Labor also asserts that ‘‘strong cultural identity is essential to the health, social and emotional wellbeing of First Nations people”.

Sorry, the evidence does not exist.

Aboriginal-controlled services assert such things, they never prove it.

On one point we can agree.

Labor believes what constitutes an ‘‘Indigenous business’’ should be redefined to protect against ‘‘black cladding’’ and ensure meaningful employment for workers.

Who is game to ask who is Aboriginal?

I would be proud of the Labor Party if they announced at the conference, ‘‘No race-based policies by 2030.”

Delegates of any background could have their vote and voice.

Alas, it is no longer.

Gary Johns is the author of The Burden of Culture (Quadrant Books) and was a minister in the Keating Labor government

Courier-Mail

Alamak!
August 16, 2023 3:56 pm

Newt Gingrich

LOL. Newt didn’t work the first time around.

Its possible to support republican ideas and policies without having to descend into the swamp inhabited by old & never-were-creditable hacks like Newt.

Vicki
Vicki
August 16, 2023 3:56 pm

Albo let the cat out of the bag by admitting he hadn’t read the full text of the Uluru Statement from the Heart which talks about reparations to Indigenous Australians under a treaty

I think he is rapidly becoming a joke, even to those who voted Labor. Buyers’ remorse. Many believe he is a figurehead, being rewarded for “putting in the hard yards” before the likes of Marles, Chalmers, & Wong vie for the top job.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 16, 2023 4:00 pm

Black Ball
Aug 16, 2023 2:11 PM
“Trump committed these brazen crimes openly, but I can’t tell you why they are a crime.”

Did this sentence pass the turgid lips of the resident moron in monty?

I believe it was actually passed through his even more turgid anus.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 16, 2023 4:01 pm

Albo let the cat out of the bag by admitting he hadn’t read the full text of the Uluru Statement from the Heart which talks about reparations to Indigenous Australians under a treaty

It’s 97.3% certain that Albanese is lying, of course. If he actually hasn’t personally read the 25 page explanatory memorandum that forms part of the document, his minders and policy advisors certainly have.

And the whole strategy built around ‘I commit the ALP Government I lead to implement this in full’ is fully informed that the First Nations Authors view the Voice as a means to self-determination and compensation via a Treaty – and expressly not as an advisory body to help the Gubba to ‘Close the Gap’.

So, the question is: Who is Uncle Luigi humbugging?
The Ulu?u mob?
Or the wider Australian citizenry?

The silence from Team First Nations as Albanese slithers away from the optics of Treaty suggests that it’s on a promise.

But why would anyone trust this nasty little Canbra career creature to delivery anything other than political expediency?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 4:02 pm

More from Luigi.

“Peter Dutton knows full well that a Voice will not have a say in where the submarines from AUKUS will go, they know the Uluru Statement from the Heart is one page, not hundreds of pages,” Mr Albanese said.

Mmmyes.
Even if they don’t have a veto over the location of the sub base, the Proud Whatevers who are traditional owners will be rattling the tin, along with those who will have their maritime songlines disturbed by the subs on their unknown top-secret routes. Which is every tribe on the coast.

Rafiki
Rafiki
August 16, 2023 4:02 pm

A correction. A gaggle is the collective noun for geese. It’s not settled use, but a trib is the collective noun for a group of lesbians.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 16, 2023 4:03 pm

So, the question is: Who is Uncle Luigi humbugging?
The Ulu?u mob?
Or the wider Australian citizenry?

Embrace the power of “and”.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
August 16, 2023 4:05 pm

One day Elbow is saying that all thoughts of a 26-page Uluru Statement are a conspiracy, yet the next he says they do exist its just that he hasn’t read them.
Idiot.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 16, 2023 4:05 pm

Perhaps Jodie is his sounding board.

Hooking up with Albo suggests it’s broken.

Cassie of Sydney
August 16, 2023 4:08 pm

Lidia Thorpe….

1. Who on more than one occasion has brought the senate chamber into disrepute with her language and all round abuse, who routinely hurls racist abuse and epithets at people whose opinions she doesn’t like;

2. Who in February of this year staged a stunt where she blocked a Mardi Gras float by lying down on the road, stopping the parade and then having to be removed by the police*;

3. Who back in March of this year attempted to “gate crash” a legitimate gathering outside parliament house in Canberra, the whole time screeching and hurling profanities, only to be stopped by federal police with the result that she ended up on the wet grass in a very indelicate position;

4. Who, only a week or two later was filmed outside a Melbourne strip club in the early hours of the morning hurling more racist and derogatory abuse at the bouncers outside that Melbourne strip club, telling one bouncer he is a “marked” man (a threat), and making derogatory remarks about a bouncer’s penis size (who since that “incident” has been banned for life from the strip club);

5. Who has been invited to give an address to the National Press Club today.

No wonder this country is a joke. It is unrecognisable from the country that my grandparents and great-grandparents helped to build. Hmm, just wondering, has if Pauline Hanson, or Malcolm Roberts, or Gerard Rennick, or Alex Antic, or Andrew Bolt, or any other conservative/right of centre politician or commentator has been asked to give an address at the National Press Club? And if they have not, when will an invitation be extended to them?

* perhaps the only worthwhile thing she has ever done.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 16, 2023 4:09 pm

mUnty

You can wait for Willis to make her case in court along with the rest of us spectators.

I hope it’s better than Muellerween and that Steele dossier. They sucked balls.

Vicki
Vicki
August 16, 2023 4:10 pm

But it has locked poorly educated, non-integrated Aborigines out of the market economy and the open society…………………

Labor also believes that it is crucial that ‘‘remote communities have essential services and are empowered to participate in the design and provision of those services as genuine partners’’.

The insistence of Labor policy that regional Aboriginal groups could continue to live, supported totally by the rest of Australia, on traditional “country” contributed to the very miserable state in which they continue to live.

What total idiots and hypocrites these Labor hacks are!

Vicki
Vicki
August 16, 2023 4:11 pm

BTW I don’t include Gary Johns as one of those hypocritical hacks. He has argued for years against the policy.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 16, 2023 4:11 pm

And refers to Albo Minor as “a proud Houso man just trying to make his way in the world”.

Armed with nothing more than a crooked toothbrush and a dream.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 16, 2023 4:11 pm

newscom is running a poll “How will you vote in the Voice referendum”.
88,531 votes so far. 85% NO; 10% YES and 5% undecided.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/why-would-i-anthony-albanese-hasnt-read-additional-25-pages-of-uluru-statement-material/news-story/dc24efdd1546b9c7183418f82d3bf553

Just voted No — now 100,404 votes 86% NO, 10% Yes and 4% undecided

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 16, 2023 4:14 pm

Wingnut talking points:

Careful mUnty. You’ll pull it clean off one day.

Cassie of Sydney
August 16, 2023 4:15 pm

“BTW I don’t include Gary Johns as one of those hypocritical hacks. He has argued for years against the policy.”

Johns is “old Labor”, a party that is now extinct.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 16, 2023 4:16 pm

BTW I don’t include Gary Johns as one of those hypocritical hacks. He has argued for years against the policy.

Nothing like being freed from preselection to free the mind.

Speedbox
August 16, 2023 4:19 pm

I did wonder if this little slip was contained to 3AW, and not reported more widely, it might slip down the back of the forgettery filing cabinet.
But when it is being read by the kiddies on news.com.au …

Funny you mention that Sancho. Like most of us I find News.com.au very difficult to read (as in, a waste of time) with its stories being either mindless drivel or some fluffy piece about an actress/singer. But, every now and then, I swish past to see if there is anything remotely interesting. And lo, this morning around noon….

I think you’re right that if news.com.au have picked it up then the story has reached a level of public knowledge that cannot be successfully suppressed. An internet search reveals many threads all leading to a story on many differing sites so News had to publish, or be left out.

Whether the story actually makes a difference to anybody’s existing voting intentions remains to be seen but as a a weapon for the NO side, if one were needed, it is pure gold.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 16, 2023 4:23 pm

How long before Albo goes from “no questions to answer” re his son to “leave my family out of it”?

Might be a while.
Albanese has the midget Irish person running interference for him:

Chairman’s Lounge status is “not a gift, it’s a commercial arrangement that we do. Some of the politicians are … our largest flyers and we facilitate access to our lounges if you’re in BHP, if you’re in Rio. The government has a big contract with us – it’s absolutely no different.”

Absolutely no different.
Exactly the same thing.

So, young Nathan (23) is a big contract spender with QANTAS?

It appears that this level of contemptuous dissembling is sufficient to deflect serious criticism and further examination of the PM putting himself in a conflicted position.

Except by Joe Aston, who takes the flensing knife to Joyce, Albanese, and the Weak Bastards Opposite:

Ask yourself why the federal Liberals and Nationals haven’t said a single thing about this. Because they’re all in there alongside Albo, of course, sucking frantically on the Qantas teat. Like the American alliance and the offshore processing of asylum seekers, undeclared airline freebies are a bipartisan article of faith.

It’s a Joke.
And it’s on us.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 16, 2023 4:24 pm

they know the Uluru Statement from the Heart is one page, not hundreds of pages,” Mr Albanese said.

I don’t think anyone has said it was hundreds of pages, but I have heard red faced spittle-spluttering runt say it is one. I have heard Dutton refer to 25 or 26 pages but the runt does not dare contradict that.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 16, 2023 4:26 pm

For me there was no need to read uluru statement, the people supporting the yes case is enough to vote No.

Vicki
Vicki
August 16, 2023 4:29 pm

I hope all Cats have submitted, or are submitting, responses to the government’s insidious new proposal to censure “disinformation “ and “misinformation “ –

Communications Legislation Amendment (Combatting Misinformation and Disinformation) Bill 2023.

It is an opportunity, at the very least, to affirm all the principles of free speech that are the very essence of democracy. If we cannot stand up at this historical juncture & speak for our history and for our future, then we cannot bemoan when the essence of our right to decide what is true is taken from us.

billie
billie
August 16, 2023 4:29 pm

Senator Thorpe “I’ll take people on a bit of a journey so that we can educate on the effects of invasion, particularly deaths in custody, and removal of children, the destruction of land and water.”

I simply don’t care about her vain attempts to garner attention. Her take on history is likely to be as dishonest as the way she treats people. (poor old Adam, thought he had a winner there!)

Lots of people have bad things happen to them, we work through our acceptance, because that’s all we can do, and we move on, that’s life.

No good can come from a Voice to parliament in our Constitution, I truly believe that. Leave it alone.

People like Lydia, the rest of the1 vested interest industry and Albo are all hoping for a place in history, a good place too but I suspect they will be pariahs, bitter and angry at their fellow Australians

Cassie of Sydney
August 16, 2023 4:34 pm

Oh and further, Thorpe the ignoramus got up in the senate last week and launched into a vicious anti-Israel diatribe. I think David Adler’s rebuttal was best on Outsiders on Sunday morning when he said…”the Jewish people are indigenous to the Land of Israel and that Senator Thorpe should advocate for Jews in Israel because “sovereignty was never ceded by the Jews“.

Quite so Dr Adler.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 16, 2023 4:35 pm

they know the Uluru Statement from the Heart is one page, not hundreds of pages,” Mr Albanese said

I’m wondering if all this is an equivalent to the moment in the 1993 election campaign, when John Hewson was tied in knots, over the level of G.S.T. on a birthday cake?

calli
calli
August 16, 2023 4:38 pm

Ask yourself why the federal Liberals and Nationals haven’t said a single thing about this. Because they’re all in there alongside Albo, of course, sucking frantically on the Qantas teat.

Our political class disgusts me. And those most vocal can be rendered silent in exactly the same way with the same bribes.

Like the show “Where are they now?”, the answer is easy. Slurping away.

It’s a big club, and you’re not in it.

JC
JC
August 16, 2023 4:38 pm

feelthebern
Aug 16, 2023 6:48 AM
Said it before, I’ll say it again: this is the war we needed to have.
A wake up call.
..
Great.
Get back to us once you & your family all volunteer to be in harms way.

..
We are all in harms way.
You just haven’t realised the danger yet.

Bern, I’m pretty sure Harms Way runs parallel to Loonie Cres. Check Google maps though for a more accurate read.

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