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JC
JC
August 17, 2023 3:44 pm

Ceonkite

I warned you a long time ago, both were phony, but you didn’t want to listen to me and look where it’s ended up with those two.

It’s a bad trade, cut your losses and move on.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 3:49 pm

GreyRanga

Aug 17, 2023 2:22 PM

Thancho the slightly different model numbers are so they can appear to offer a 10% discount on the same item knowing full well when you show up demanding the discount they say “oh well, our one is different, piss off. Pure advertising. No substance.

Yes, it is definitely designed to muddy the waters and stifle competition and comparison.
The end result being I don’t go near Hardly Normals, and still put the salespeople through the tedium of explaining why one particular model is better than another.
It takes a bit to stop them running off into the scrub of sales-blah, but we get there in the end.
The very best sales experience we had was when we started talking to a guy in-store about TVs. He got a bit hesitant and said, “Look, I am not an employee here. I am the LG tech rep.”
“Good” says me. “We’ve got LG tellys. They are pretty good. Still going after ten years, so which LG would you get?”
He says, “The latest model is really good, has X, Y, Z features but if it was my money, last year’s model is excellent. It’s $1000 cheaper and I defy anyone but a TV tech-head like me to pick the difference.”
Sold.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 17, 2023 3:49 pm

#istandwithmushroomlady but I’ll have the chicken thanks.

I’d like to be able to brighten your trouser-free day with an uptick – but, here we are.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 3:50 pm

Apropos Keith Windschuttle, in a braver and truer world he would be declared a Living National Treasure, for he has suffered so much opprobrium for simply writing well-researched scholarly works in a readable form about contentious indigenous issues. He has also been (and still is) a worthy editor of Quadrant Magazine, maintaining high standards of editing and production in what is one of Australia’s longest-established and most significant journals of record, promoting freedom of thought in this country.

Pleasing to see some material published in the latest edition, a freebie on The Voice, being quoted approvingly in the Wall Street Journal.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 17, 2023 3:51 pm

The dickhead Tom on Sky News Afternoon Agenda has developed over the last couple of years from being a polite little nerd presenter/commentator into being an obnoxious know-all interrupting prick.

You’re on the mute list sonny.

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 3:51 pm

Whoops

Cronkite, not….

Lysander
Lysander
August 17, 2023 3:52 pm

2PP out in Victoria today is 60/40 Labor’s way.

What the f is wrong with Victorians!!!???

Lysander
Lysander
August 17, 2023 3:54 pm

BT
stay away from Sky “before dark,” it’s a swamp.

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 3:55 pm

And?

And it’s not the coffee.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 3:56 pm

Fifty upticks to the trouserless bear.

Chicken and Mushroom’s the special on today, sir.
And the vegan dish is a Mushroom Quiche.

Enjoy your meal.

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 3:58 pm

Oranges this time of year are terrific.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 3:58 pm

More Cat, more Pigeons, more Fraccas.

https://www.khon2.com/local-news/chinese-satellite-lasers-recorded-over-hawaii/

Local News
Chinese satellite lasers recorded over Hawaii

by: Bryce Moore

Posted: Feb 11, 2023 / 05:23 PM HST

Updated: Feb 12, 2023 / 08:37 AM HST

HONOLULU (KHON2) — Japanese and local astronomers said a Chinese satellite has been caught on video beaming down green lasers over the Hawaiian Islands.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 17, 2023 3:58 pm

The history guy had a video on his YouTube channel about the US losing a nuke off the coast of Vietnam in 1965.
Of more interest he said that by mid 1963 approx 10% of the US nuclear arsenal was deployed in the Asia Pacific with the plan to drop them on China if they got involved Vietnam like they did in Korea.
I’ve spent an hour or so reading about it.
Definitely something I plan to read more about in the future.

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 4:00 pm

There were no real “Jews” in the Soviet coup. Like the rest of the pricks, they were godless atheists. Hitler was Roman Catholic by birth, which by Molyneux’s reckoning Catholicism should mentioned when talking about religious association with Nazism?

Molyneux has always been suspect in my opinion. I’ve never trusted nor respected him since the beginning when he came out from under a rock. Mentioning Jewish association with the Soviets is actually a slant towards antisemitism. He’s a phony dickhead.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 17, 2023 4:02 pm

He’s a phony dickhead.

Very much so.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
August 17, 2023 4:02 pm

Rabz
Aug 17, 2023 1:16 PM

obsessing about Australian excess deaths, for which there is clearly no evidence.

they will be compared to both deaths occurring in 2022 and a baseline period consisting of the average number of deaths occurring in the years of 2017-2019, 2021.

Wow. They are actually including the jab deaths in the baseline used for comparison. Mixing in a few clot shots just to take the edge off. Couldn’t just leave it as 2017-2019, noooo, that would be too informative.

cohenite
August 17, 2023 4:03 pm

I can’t reply to you head prefect so I’ll leave it at that.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 4:05 pm

Knuckle Dragger

Aug 17, 2023 2:30 PM

He’s directly referring to Indol posting bullshit, complete tripe about the death of the cyclist here on your blog

I for one welcome this industrial solvent-grade nuffery.

It amuses me, and it also provides a window into how some people, desperate to validate their previously uneventful and unfulfilling existences at any cost, manage to get pi from 2+2.

Yes, there’s no denying the entertainment value of it all, and marvelling at the morons who actually tip money into these grift-buckets.
I doffs me cap to Dr Faustus in particular, who regularly pulls the wings off the fly by direct quotation from the “Government Document which proves [insert nuffy claim here]” showing that it proves something completely different.
Well played sir.
(And he also buys them a cup of coffee).

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 4:07 pm

We both had locally caught Jewfish from the menu at Nambucca Heads on Saturday nite. We wondered how it got its name. Hairy opted for a special sort of fish favoured originally by Jewish people. I said it might have been called this for less innocent reasons, perhaps denigratory ones. It may for instance have been cheaper or less favoured. Or commonly found everywhere, as with the denigratory-termed plant ‘Wandering Jew’. Whatever, it was a flaked white fish with a faint black tinge to the edges and it was very tasty with a crusty coating. Air-fried, I said, with my newly acquired authority on such matters.

Megan
Megan
August 17, 2023 4:08 pm

What the f is wrong with Victorians!!!???

Better question is What the f is wrong with the other options?

A: There are no other viable options. Just the PissSuitO Clown car.

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 4:12 pm

Aussie Dollar, fast catching up to the Russian Rubble, and hitting the old recent lows of 63.80 against the big dollar.

I’ll say this, if China doesn’t off the mat and make an economic comeback we’re rooted as this government has no idea what’s in store for the country with an Aussie Dollar at 50ish cents.

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 4:12 pm

Resolve poll: Palaszczuk is now Ms. 32% in QLD.

3rd major poll in recent weeks to predict her government’s looming downfall.

Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 4:12 pm

I wish The Age would show the same level of skepticism with Dan Andrews that it has with mushroom lady.

Bern, it’s 25 years since The Age was what we could roughly define as a newspaper with ethics, reporting what we could call matters of public interest.

Having decimated its advertising rivers of gold, it is now a money-losing groupthink narrative factory, propped up by the Nine TV network, whose readers are mainly Greens-voting public service communist armchair revolutionaries who’ve never had a job in the real economy.

The only time The Age ever criticises the Andrews government is when it fails to measure up to the ideological expectations of its major international enabler, the Chinese Communist Party.

As a workers collective like the ABC, its major concern is that the death of the capitalist free market isn’t happening fast enough. It sees its primary role as enabling Emperor Andrews’ communist revolution.

Hope that helps. I used to work there.

Megan
Megan
August 17, 2023 4:14 pm

I’ll bet that 60/40 poll will swing like a detached windmill blade in a stiff breeze once the lights start going out and the stuff in the fridge has to be pitched out.

Reality doesn’t care who you vote for.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
August 17, 2023 4:17 pm

Roger
Aug 17, 2023 4:12 PM

Resolve poll: Palaszczuk is now Ms. 32% in QLD.
3rd major poll in recent weeks to predict her government’s looming downfall.

Mein palast-Huhn….

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 4:17 pm

We both had locally caught Jewfish from the menu at Nambucca Heads on Saturday nite.

Hopefully with a pommey-granate salad.

Cassie of Sydney
August 17, 2023 4:18 pm

“Roger
Aug 17, 2023 4:12 PM
Resolve poll: Palaszczuk is now Ms. 32% in QLD.

3rd major poll in recent weeks to predict her government’s looming downfall.”

Roger, when is the next election……November 2024? If so, that’s a long time to go. Is there an opposition in QLD?

I’m just curious.

Alamak!
August 17, 2023 4:18 pm

speaking of excellent sales technique, view how its done on “The Wire”

n.b. the nail guns are not going to be used in construction …

Cassie of Sydney
August 17, 2023 4:18 pm

“JC
Aug 17, 2023 4:00 PM”

+1000000

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 4:19 pm

He’s directly referring to Indol posting bullshit, complete tripe about the death of the cyclist here on your blog

I’d let it be. Complete tripe can be called out here, and it is; there’s no censorship.

Dover captains a very sound ship and takes it on the chin better than most owners would. Respect.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 4:20 pm

Arvo tea time. We’re having melted chocolate squares just retrieved from the car. 🙂

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 17, 2023 4:20 pm

Crossie

I prefer Optional Preferential to First Past the Post. You can give a couple of (acceptable to you) preferences, but are not forced to fill in every number, which can lead to your vote ending up with someone you wouldn’t touch with a barge pole.

Lysander
Lysander
August 17, 2023 4:21 pm

A: There are no other viable options. Just the PissSuitO Clown car.

Agree Megan. 100%. But the poll shows Labor down two points on the primary vote from the June result to 39%, with the Coalition up two to 28%, the Greens down two to 13% (they were up five last time, and down three the time before), a generic independent category up one to 13% and “others” up one to 7%.

One wonders how many of 13% and 7% of “others” are peeved Coalition voters…

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 4:22 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

Aug 17, 2023 4:07 PM

We both had locally caught Jewfish from the menu at Nambucca Heads on Saturday nite. We wondered how it got its name. Hairy opted for a special sort of fish favoured originally by Jewish people.

I think the correct name is dhufish, and jew fish is a lost in translation thing.
Nothing to do with the Jewish faith.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
August 17, 2023 4:23 pm

Can’t believe I missed my chance to use Schlossgeflügel.

Lysander
Lysander
August 17, 2023 4:24 pm

I prefer Optional Preferential to First Past the Post. You can give a couple of (acceptable to you) preferences, but are not forced to fill in every number, which can lead to your vote ending up with someone you wouldn’t touch with a barge pole.

Totally agree with OPV: Why should I be “democratically” forced to put a number in, say, the Nazi Party’s box? Isn’t that a form of “tacit approval?”

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 4:24 pm

This ‘help yourself to upticks’ system has its good points, you know.

Not to be greedy, but 250 from me to Megan at 4.14 for ‘reality doesn’t care who you vote for’.

Robert Sewell
August 17, 2023 4:25 pm

Crossie
Aug 17, 2023 2:47 PM

I also prefer the first past the post system, but have to admit to being concerned about the AEC and its ability to spot cheats. We hear very little about problems and that concerns me – is it just the absence of problems or the absence of reported problems?

Lysander
Lysander
August 17, 2023 4:26 pm

Oh, and on the Vic State poll numbers Megan, I’ll add that the 60/40 2PP to Liebor is greater than the last election…

Lysander
Lysander
August 17, 2023 4:28 pm

the AEC and its ability to spot cheats.

There really should be ID for voting. There’s nothing to stop a group of activists voting across several poll stations on election day and, what’s worse, is they can use YOUR NAME to do it, severally. At a State level, you’d only need 100 activists voting ten times.

Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 4:29 pm

Many thanks to Vicki at 1.29pm for posting JoNova’s The ACMA Ministry of Misinformation will fine Australians $6m for publishing the truth.

It’s brilliant having an online community interested in the same stuff as me.

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 4:29 pm

Roger, when is the next election……November 2024?

26 OCT, 2024.

If so, that’s a long time to go.

It is that.

Is there an opposition in QLD?

Reputedly.

I’m just curious.

Yes, it is QLD after all 😀

It’s hard to see Palaszczuk pulling out of this nose dive, which is based on public perception of her as arrogant and out of touch on the chief concerns of cost of living and youth crime.

The Opposition leader is even preferred Premier, chiefly because he’s not Annastacia Palaszczuk, one has to presume, as he has a very low profile.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 4:31 pm

We seem to have gone off down various rabbit burrows of policing, banning, free speech and “to scroll or not to scroll”.
It might be worthwhile re-visiting the original point.
That is, it is my opinion that the easily disproved, weapons-grade vax nuffiness linked to by Indolent and spouted by Figures does inestimable damage to people trying to piece together a coherent argument about vax harm.
Is anyone prepared to suggest I am not entitled to hold that view?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 4:32 pm

I think the correct name is dhufish, and jew fish is a lost in translation thing.

Well, there you go. You learn something new everyday here.

Robert Sewell
August 17, 2023 4:32 pm

dhu
noun
A common element in Celtic local and personal names, meaning ‘black,’ as in Dhu Loch, black lake; Roderick Dhu, black Roderick (Scott, Lady of the Lake).

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 4:33 pm

Roger

That 32% is presumably for her alone? If so, is there a party vote?

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 4:33 pm

Oh, yes… she’s also delivered the highest unemployment rate on the mainland.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 4:33 pm

Yes, Dubh is the usual word in Old Irish and also Brythonnic for ‘black’. Hence Dubh Linn, the black pond, became Dublin over time.

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 4:34 pm

Is anyone prepared to suggest I am not entitled to hold that view?

Steve from Brisbane and Homer Paxton.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 4:34 pm

Robert Sewell

Aug 17, 2023 4:25 PM

Crossie
Aug 17, 2023 2:47 PM

I also prefer the first past the post system, but have to admit to being concerned about the AEC and its ability to spot cheats. 

That would kill the Greens in the Lower House, which is no bad thing.
You would probably see lots of “Teal” type candidates designed to split the conservative vote.
And what say you about Upper House voting systems?

Johnny Rotten
August 17, 2023 4:35 pm

FDA Admits it Had No Authority to Ban Ivermectin

“They laughed in the faces of those who wanted to take Ivermectin to treat COVID-19. They deemed it as simply a medication for horses with no real value. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) immediately jumped into action to prevent pharmacies from selling the drug. They threatened doctors not to prescribe the medicine and ran an effective smear campaign against Ivermectin.

A team of doctors recently sued the FDA for preventing them from treating their patients with Ivermectin, which was approved as a medication for humans in 1986. “FDA explicitly recognizes that doctors do have the authority to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID,” Ashley Cheung Honold, a Department of Justice lawyer representing the FDA, said on Tuesday during the oral arguments in the case. As you may remember, people were trying to buy this medication on the black market because no pharmacy would keep it in stock. The FDA effectively prevented the public from using a medication that may have been effective in treating the coronavirus.

Why? There is no money to be made on Ivermectin as it is a cheap generic drug. Fauci would not have been getting his extra royalties from Big Pharma if there were no vaccines. They could not have imposed vaccine mandates or prolonged the fear-mongering if the public knew that there was an effective treatment available. The Emergency Use Act ushered in the experimental mRNA vaccine. The act cannot be approved if there are other available medications. Once again, the FDA acted illegally to protect those in power and keep the status quo.

Ivermectin is so effective as treating various diseases that the founders won the Nobel Prize in 2015. “Diseases caused by parasites have plagued humankind for millennia and constitute a major global health problem,” the Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institute stated. “In particular, parasitic diseases affect the world’s poorest populations and represent a huge barrier to improving human health and well-being.”

“You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it,” the FDA wrote on X (formerly Twitter) in August 2021 amid its smear propaganda campaign. People DIED because they wanted us to believe there were no available treatments for the vaccine. The lockdowns, masking, vaccine mandates, business failures, supply chain issues, and every other aspect of COVID that destroyed life as we knew it could have been prevented if the “science” permitted us to use a generic drug that has proven to be effective.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/disease/fda-admits-it-had-no-authority-to-ban-ivermectin/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Megan
Megan
August 17, 2023 4:35 pm

One wonders how many of 13% and 7% of “others” are peeved Coalition voters…

Three of this family are in the 13%. I cannot fathom the utter stupidity of my fellow Victorians. They have less operating neurons than the walking dead.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 4:35 pm

Dhu is then a variant of Dubh.

Languages are endlessly fascinating. And aetiologies are not always what they seem to be.

Lysander
Lysander
August 17, 2023 4:35 pm

Sancho – I’m pretty agnostic about the whole vax injuries thing – I can see both sides and both sides should have a say…but… that’s for another day.

But I agree that Indolent, and the like, making outrageous claims does “their side” more harm than good.

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 4:38 pm

That 32% is presumably for her alone? If so, is there a party vote?

That’s the party vote, JC. (Pardon me for any confusion; I was hinting at a comparison with Mr. 32%’s (Albanese) Labor’s primary vote at the last election.

Her personal approval is 36%, trailing the LNP’s Chrisafulli on 37%.

According to the polling, she’s presided over an 8% drop in the ALP’s primary vote since the 2020 covid election.

Lysander
Lysander
August 17, 2023 4:39 pm

Nup, never heard of him

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crisafulli

Although, I reside in the Hermit Kingdom over West so…

shatterzzz
August 17, 2023 4:39 pm

in the 63rd minute when England were over-running Matildas, which the commentator described as “The Matildas often play at their best without the ball”

Which goes along way to explaining why they got beat playing a game that requires a ball in the back of the net more often than your opponent .. LOL!

Cassie of Sydney
August 17, 2023 4:40 pm

In the UK they have a first past the post electoral system, and smaller parties encounter the same problems as we do with preferential. The best system for minor parties is probably ‘proportional’, which I think they have in Tasmania, in New Zealand and in Israel.

No system is perfect, although I think preferential is amongst the worst. However the biggest problem for smaller/minor parties is both voter apathy and voter laziness at election time. In the UK (and most other countries), where voting is not compulsory, people just choose to stay at home, here in Oz, where voting is compulsory, voters are lazy and just tick the major parties out of apathy and habit, although at last year’s federal election there was a higher than usual vote for minor parties such as UAP, PHON and Lib Dems, but it did not transform to winning seats in the lower house because of preferential voting.

The only way minor parties will succeed electorally is to follow the “Greens” template, firstly by targeting councils, secondly, once the party’s name is established, by then running for the senate, and thirdly, do what Svengali Simon did with his Teals, target between five and ten seats and pour money into winning them. Fatty Clive just throws money around with gay abandon, last year he ran candidates in every seat across the country, if he’d been shrewd, he should have done what Svengali Simon did. Who was more successful, Clive or Svengali Simon?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 4:41 pm

Is anyone prepared to suggest I am not entitled to hold that view?

Nup. Not me. It’s a good view and I hold it too. Luckily people here pretty much have the capacity to take on board legit criticisms of outright looniness and incorporate these into their intellectual formation about an issue. These legit crits also perform a public service, putting wavering believers in nonsense onto a more critical path to reality.

Lysander
Lysander
August 17, 2023 4:42 pm

JC,
since 2012 (at least) the AuD’s lowest point was 58 cents (right at the start of ChinaFlu), is currently at 64 cents but has been in a downward trend since 2021… you saying/thinking it’ll go further?

Megan
Megan
August 17, 2023 4:43 pm

It’s brilliant having an online community interested in the same stuff as me.

Happy to handball this comment the 250 upticks generously alloted to me by Lizzie earlier.

Cassie of Sydney
August 17, 2023 4:43 pm

“I think the correct name is dhufish, and jew fish is a lost in translation thing.
Nothing to do with the Jewish faith.”

Correct Sancho. And it’s not a kosher fish.

shatterzzz
August 17, 2023 4:45 pm

Oranges this time of year are terrific.

Bought my 1st nectarines of spring today .. donut shaped thingy’s about the size of an average Mandarin but flatter .. never seen these before & no idea what they are called but delicious ……..

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 17, 2023 4:46 pm

pour money into winning them.

I hope the same doesn’t apply to the Voice vote. We are going to see one hell of a money pour happening over the next few months on that.

Keep up the pressure, good guys.

Lysander
Lysander
August 17, 2023 4:46 pm

The IRA is hell bent on destroying the US economy so I’m honestly not sure why the Aussie dollar is performing so badly against it… (the IRA being the Inflation Reduction Act)…

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 4:46 pm

Three of this family are in the 13%. I cannot fathom the utter stupidity of my fellow Victorians. They have less operating neurons than the walking dead.

Most folks are ill-informed by the msm and/or low information. One thing that is anecdotally evident, in Melbourne at least, is the humongous amount of infrastructure spend that’s going on. Obviously, you’ve seen some of the work going on, particularly with rail crossings etc. I suspect that’s partially how people have formed their opinion about the lying hunchback clown. The other thing, which is undeniable in a sense, were his indefatigable appearance at a daily press conference about the pandemic every working day for around 2 years. Low information voters would see this is a very focused, competent individual when in fact the opposite is true. The spend is a huge boondoggle to the unions which makes it the most expensive spend per unit of work done in the entire world. The debt is huge but not problematic at this stage. He’s in trouble, but he’s taking money from the wealthy sector, which therefore doesn’t impact Mr and Mrs Average. Eventually, the piper needs to be paid.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 4:47 pm

Lysander

Aug 17, 2023 4:35 PM

Sancho – I’m pretty agnostic about the whole vax injuries thing – I can see both sides and both sides should have a say…but… that’s for another day.

I believe there are definite vax side-effects.
Put simply, it is rare for any therapy to be completely free of adverse side effects at some level.
I don’t think the level of fatalities is anything like “millions” cited by the cuppa coffee analysts. But that is their fund-raising schtick.
It annoys me that the treatable side effects have not been more widely publicised.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
August 17, 2023 4:48 pm

Lady of the Lake).

Monty Python – Holy Grail.

“….just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at you from a pond is no basis for a form of government” (or words to that effect).

Bloody peasants – Oh! What a giveaway!

(Sorry, bored – no sheila’s soccer to laugh at)

Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 4:52 pm

Who was more successful, Clive or Svengali Simon?

One of Australia’s most successful businessmen, the late Robert Holmes a’Court, is turning in his grave that his son’s only claim to fame is that he is a communist revolutionary for urban property millionaires who’ve never had a real job.

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 4:55 pm

Lysander

If China takes a dive, I think we’d head into the mid 50s. We’re fcked. We’d end up with a real nasty bout of deep recession with inflation as our imports will cost more. I paid $155 bucks for a fill up with grade 98 today. The oil price is around $79.50 a barrel, which isn’t high by recent history meaning the impact is because of the lower Aussie. Percentage wise, business input costs have been going through the roof and there’s more to come. We’re too inflexible to shake this off except with a lower currency. Moe scary is that these imbeciles in government have no idea. I think we’re fcked.

Thank God most of my invested assets are in the big dollar.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 4:55 pm

From the Oz.

Hillsong founder Brian Houston has been found not guilty of covering up that his father Frank molested a boy in the 1970s after he failed to report the sexual abuse to the police.

Will this lead the ABC 7:00 pm bulletin?

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 4:56 pm

For some further context, in 2019 Palaszczuk was on track to lose the 2020 election, principally due to the scandals engulfing her deputy, Jackie Trad (remember her?).

Then covid happened.

Lysander
Lysander
August 17, 2023 4:57 pm

Agree with that Sancho! I believe there have been a lot of vax injuries and also believe TGA’s “approval” was not formal/official approval. But, yeah, millions? I’m not so sure.

For the record, both vaxes one and two for me (and not taking any more) made me horrendously unwell (flu), when I finally got the ChinaFlu it was also like a bad flu.

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 4:58 pm

Most folks are ill-informed by the msm and/or low information

Particularly when they don’t speak English.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 4:58 pm

Tom

Aug 17, 2023 4:52 PM

Who was more successful, Clive or Svengali Simon?

One of Australia’s most successful businessmen, the late Robert Holmes a’Court,

Err … opinions may vary as to the ethics and legality of “one of Australia’s most successful businessmen”.
Other scuttlebutt circulated around the time of his death, which might be best left alone.
The apple don’t fall far …

Razey
Razey
August 17, 2023 5:01 pm

The death of democracy? Victoria’s hush-hush Indigenous agreements

https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/08/the-death-of-democracy-victorias-hush-hush-indigenous-agreements/

Cassie of Sydney
August 17, 2023 5:02 pm

“Hillsong founder Brian Houston has been found not guilty of covering up that his father Frank molested a boy in the 1970s after he failed to report the sexual abuse to the police.”

I’m no fan of canned soup Hillsong but the campaign against Brian Houston was media driven, all because Houston’s Christianity.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 17, 2023 5:02 pm

The Chook another one benefiting from 4 year fixed terms. What a terrible idea. Shades of KK deja vu all over again.

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 5:03 pm

The IRA is hell bent on destroying the US economy so I’m honestly not sure why the Aussie dollar is performing so badly against it… (the IRA being the Inflation Reduction Act)…

Lysander, currencies are a relative game. The Inflation Increase Act was monstrous, but we’re talking about the US here. The economy is doing well despite the Hiden headwinds and there’s re-shoring going on. At the end of the day, if you want to set up or expand a business (in a red state) the world is potentially your oyster.

The labor market is relatively free and if you look at US corporate profit projections they’re looking really good.

We have a massive trade surplus with China, which has been holding up the Aussie Dollar allowing us to buy our imports at decent prices.

Lastly, it’s the mighty US Dollar!

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 17, 2023 5:04 pm

Lysander
Aug 17, 2023 4:42 PM
JC,
since 2012 (at least) the AuD’s lowest point was 58 cents (right at the start of ChinaFlu), is currently at 64 cents but has been in a downward trend since 2021… you saying/thinking it’ll go further?

IIRC, it got down to around 50 cents in the mid-1990s.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 17, 2023 5:04 pm

Err … opinions may vary as to the ethics and legality of “one of Australia’s most successful businessmen”.

Such as those who owned shares in Bell Group?

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 17, 2023 5:05 pm

How can the Liar machine possibly keep The Chook in the manner to which she’s become accustomed?

Razey
Razey
August 17, 2023 5:06 pm

If the fucn Abo’s get compensation and this race based shit gets up then I want right of return to England + compensation. Fair’s fair. I’m paying for these parasites.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 17, 2023 5:08 pm

Truth is, most of these fckwits actually enjoy their Pure-Blood martyr status and don’t really want to enlist the support of moderates (those whose concerns are restricted to Covid vaxes and control measures) anyway.

Yes I do Mr Panzer but it doesn’t make me a loon.
I think the covid* measures are a test run for something more devious. Someone on this blog had a link to Klaus Schwab’s daughter and ‘climate emergency’.
*Government run of course

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 17, 2023 5:09 pm

Err … opinions may vary as to the ethics and legality of “one of Australia’s most successful businessmen”.

His death was certainly “timely” and avoided a lot of awkward questions.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 17, 2023 5:10 pm

If the fucn Abo’s get compensation and this race based shit gets up then I want right of return to England + compensation. Fair’s fair. I’m paying for these parasites.

Phuck off then. You’re not paying for my existence.

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 5:14 pm

IIRC, it got down to around 50 cents in the mid-1990s.

It was around that for some time. It actually went to the high 47 cents. It was below 60 cents for about 5 years. It went into the 50s around 1998, then came back up for a while and then from around 2000 to 2003 it was below 60 cents.

Lysander
Lysander
August 17, 2023 5:15 pm

Thanks JC and BJ – always appreciate a bit of (informed) economic analysis at The Cat. It shits all over Alan Koala at theirABC.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 5:16 pm

For the record, both vaxes one and two for me (and not taking any more) made me horrendously unwell (flu), when I finally got the ChinaFlu it was also like a bad flu.

Same, same.
Two and no more.
No side effects from vax.
Caught covid 4.1.2. Total non-event.

Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 5:17 pm

How can the Liar machine possibly keep The Chook in the manner to which she’s become accustomed?

Simple, Humphrey. Ninety nine percent of the Australian news media are in the ALP’s pocket — in Queensland and the rest of the country.

The media has become a tribal protector of the Australian Greens-ALP ruling class. Speaking truth to power is so last year.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 17, 2023 5:17 pm

Sub 50c was Keating’s banana republic time? The wheels had well and truly fallen off at that point.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 5:18 pm

Hillsong founder Brian Houston has been found not guilty of covering up that his father Frank molested a boy in the 1970s after he failed to report the sexual abuse to the police.

What a ridiculous case. You get shaken down and then you’re liable?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 5:18 pm

H B Bear

Aug 17, 2023 5:09 PM

Err … opinions may vary as to the ethics and legality of “one of Australia’s most successful businessmen”.

His death was certainly “timely” and avoided a lot of awkward questions.

Business?
Personal?
Both?
Have I said too much?

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 5:19 pm

It’s actually a crazy world we’re living in. Our largest export partner looks like it could collapse economically. Incidentally, 25% of the Chinese economy is real estate, which sounds like it will crater. We could end up seeing an economic nuclear accident in China and our Federal government is totally focused on the Squeal. Every waking moment out to be focused on the Chinese economy and defense, but it’s the Squeal. You can’t make this shit up.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 5:20 pm

H B Bear
Aug 17, 2023 5:17 PM

Sub 50c was Keating’s banana republic time? The wheels had well and truly fallen off at that point.

It during under John Howard, MP for Benelong & PM’s time.

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 5:21 pm

Whoops, I should’ve added. It’s the Squeal and Net Zero. Net Zero we could actually get to easily by 2030 with our economic collapse because of these imbeciles.

John H.
John H.
August 17, 2023 5:22 pm

JC
Aug 17, 2023 4:46 PM
Three of this family are in the 13%. I cannot fathom the utter stupidity of my fellow Victorians. They have less operating neurons than the walking dead.

Most folks are ill-informed by the msm and/or low information

That’s true everywhere and across the political spectrum hence it explains nothing about the political situation in Victoria.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 17, 2023 5:22 pm

Andrew Bolt:

I agree with one thing in the dangerous and deceitful speech Senator Lidia Thorpe gave to applauding journalists at the National Press Club on Wednesday.

“No more shying away from the brutal past,” she declared.

“Truth is a sign of maturity.”

Yes, time for truth at last, because fear of telling it is why a racist demagogue like Thorpe gets so much support that she’s even a senator, leading a movement for “Blak sovereignty”.

The story Thorpe told was that Aborigines lived in harmony until wicked whites came and kept up a war that makes them rich.

“My grandmother’s clan … lived in peace and harmony pre-colonisation,” she claimed.

In fact, Aboriginal warfare was so horrific that historian Geoffrey Blainey estimates a death rate in many areas to nearly six times the death rate in the US in World War Two.

Runaway convict William Buckley, who lived with Aborigines for three decades, described repeated warfare between tribes, including cannibalism.

Thorpe claimed “our people are still rounded up” and put in “cages”, and Aboriginal children still stolen in a “continuing cultural genocide”.

This is Thorpe at her most dangerous. Many Aboriginal men are jailed because there’s so much violence in some Aboriginal communities that the Albanese government on Wednesday released a new plan to tackle it.

Indigenous women are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised because of violence, and children more likely to be removed because they’re more likely to be abused or neglected.

It was even worse in the “peace and harmony” of traditional Aboriginal culture.

Nineteenth-century observers such as Reverend George Taplin estimated a third of Aboriginal children were killed because they were a burden.

Thorpe then accused white Australians of getting rich by robbing Aborigines: “Think about your inheritance; where did it come from? From our blood and our misery.”

In fact, it came largely from Western ingenuity and sweat. Iron ore and coal was always in this earth. It only got turned into wealth after the British came.

Then Thorpe’s fantasy solution: more land, more self-government, and more money: “There is a lot of money owed to First Peoples. Look at the resources extracted over 200 years.”

But look at the massive royalties already. Look at the land already handed over.

That doesn’t end poverty. Only study and hard work will do that.

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 5:25 pm

How can the Liar machine possibly keep The Chook in the manner to which she’s become accustomed?

Perhaps her high flying surgeon companion will make an honest woman out of her, whereupon she can retire to some garishly decorated penthouse in a gated resort on the Gold Coast and write her memoirs in her own inimitable style of English (audiobook recommended for the full, immersive experience).

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 5:26 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

Aug 17, 2023 4:35 PM

Dhu is then a variant of Dubh.

Languages are endlessly fascinating. And aetiologies are not always what they seem to be.

Interesting.
I was looking up the olde English word “toone” earlier today.
It actually has two distinct meanings.
It describes a phobia surrounding personal hygiene products. Example “His toone was so bad, he would break into a cold sweat at the mere mention of the word soap”.
It is also used to describe long-winded and tedious whining about trivial matters. Example. “He just wouldn’t stop tooneing on about the lack of English tea on his Spanish holiday”.

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 5:26 pm

H B Bear
Aug 17, 2023 5:17 PM

Sub 50c was Keating’s banana republic time? The wheels had well and truly fallen off at that point.

No, it was the mid to late 90s when the US was experiencing a period of incredible growth rates due to the tech sector. There were months when the US GDP growth rate was coming in at 5% plus. Interest rates were high and the US was sucking in money from all over the world. Meanwhile commodity prices were in the doldrums and hence our currency was weak.

Hollywood used to make movies here because of the Dollar was so cheap. I recall the WSJ reporting a Hollywood douchebag talking about Australia as a place to make movies . He reckoned it was as cheap as Mexico and the people spoke English. 🙂

Diogenes
Diogenes
August 17, 2023 5:26 pm

I’m no fan of canned soup Hillsong but the campaign against Brian Houston was media driven, all because Houston’s Christianity.

Houston’s prosperity gospel Christianity

Diogenes
Diogenes
August 17, 2023 5:28 pm

Pressed post too soon…

Meant to add can’t have people wanting to be rich

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 17, 2023 5:31 pm

News
Alice Springs

NORFORCE Squadron celebrates 40 years of service to Alice Springs in Freedom of Entry ceremony

NORFORCE soldiers will march through Alice Springs township on Friday in a freedom of entry parade commemorating 40 years of service in the region. Read all the details.

John H.
John H.
August 17, 2023 5:37 pm

Tom
Aug 17, 2023 5:17 PM
How can the Liar machine possibly keep The Chook in the manner to which she’s become accustomed?

Simple, Humphrey. Ninety nine percent of the Australian news media are in the ALP’s pocket — in Queensland and the rest of the country.

The media has become a tribal protector of the Australian Greens-ALP ruling class. Speaking truth to power is so last year.

If the right stopped being grizzlers it might have more success in the media game.

cohenite
August 17, 2023 5:37 pm

Black Ball
Aug 17, 2023 5:22 PM
Andrew Bolt:

I agree with one thing in the dangerous and deceitful speech Senator Lidia Thorpe gave to applauding journalists at the National Press Club on Wednesday.

“No more shying away from the brutal past,” she declared.

“Truth is a sign of maturity.”

Yes, time for truth at last, because fear of telling it is why a racist demagogue like Thorpe gets so much support that she’s even a senator, leading a movement for “Blak sovereignty”.

The story Thorpe told was that Aborigines lived in harmony until wicked whites came and kept up a war that makes them rich.

“My grandmother’s clan … lived in peace and harmony pre-colonisation,” she claimed.

In fact, Aboriginal warfare was so horrific that historian Geoffrey Blainey estimates a death rate in many areas to nearly six times the death rate in the US in World War Two.

Runaway convict William Buckley, who lived with Aborigines for three decades, described repeated warfare between tribes, including cannibalism.

Thorpe claimed “our people are still rounded up” and put in “cages”, and Aboriginal children still stolen in a “continuing cultural genocide”.

This is Thorpe at her most dangerous. Many Aboriginal men are jailed because there’s so much violence in some Aboriginal communities that the Albanese government on Wednesday released a new plan to tackle it….

This is the point I was trying to make earlier before I was misgendered by dottie and head prefect. Molyneux and Lauren were saying this 5 bloody years ago, Ok, there may be evidence of their ratbaggery but on this point they were right. Lauren was also right about SA and both were right about islam which I suspect is starting to stick its snout up again with the recent air flight test run and the isotopes.

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 5:38 pm

It is also used to describe long-winded and tedious whining about trivial matters. Example. “He just wouldn’t stop tooneing on about the lack of English tea on his Spanish holiday”.

Also used as a noun:

He’s such a toone he retains his British passport despite living in Australia for 40 years.

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 5:40 pm

I had to really laugh, I was listening to a podcast in bed this morning. The dude was talking about a new tour thing that some wag has thought up. It’s a tour of San Francisco, that takes you around what was once the richest city in the world and shows the tourists the absolute squalor it has become. The tour is fully booked. Only in America can someone think up a business line like that. The place never fails to be interesting and funny.

Called The Doom Loop Tour

A sold-out downtown walking tour purportedly hosted by a city commissioner is offering to show tourists the worst of the city’s “doom and squalor,” incensing local neighbors who call it “a bad publicity stunt” — but it’s unknown who is organizing the event or even whether it is real.

More here:

https://nypost.com/2023/08/16/the-san-francisco-doom-loop-tour-sold-out-may-come-to-nyc/

Hosted by “SF Anonymous Insider,” the $30 tour, set for Aug. 26, will guide attendees through Mid-Market, the Tenderloin and Union Square and it’s already sold out a week in advance. The tour will highlight the city’s “urban decay” and offer people a view of the “open-air drug markets, the abandoned tech offices, the outposts of the nonprofit industrial complex and the deserted department stores.”

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 17, 2023 5:42 pm

Black Ball
Aug 17, 2023 5:10 PM
If the fucn Abo’s get compensation and this race based shit gets up then I want right of return to England + compensation. Fair’s fair. I’m paying for these parasites.

Phuck off then. You’re not paying for my existence.

Wasn’t Razey going to move to Japan some years ago?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 17, 2023 5:43 pm

Daily Mail.

Voice to Parliament Yes campaign’s merch is made in China and Bangladesh – despite saying it’s printed in Australia on Naarm land

Yes23 clothes say ‘printed in Naarm’
Major items from China or Bangladesh

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 5:44 pm

to stick its snout up again with the recent air flight test run and the isotopes.

Isotopes?

Cronkite, you got those two wrong. It was a bad trade, so just the hit and move on. We all make mistakes, although you appear to have more than your fair share. But it’s okay. All good.

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 5:47 pm

Ninety nine percent of the Australian news media are in the ALP’s pocket — in Queensland and the rest of the country.

Not a lot of love for Anna & her incompetent ministers in the QLD media atm.

Current scandal is a $2.4bn blowout and subsequent cover up of a train manufacturing project.

It’s definitely not Victoria in that regard.

cohenite
August 17, 2023 5:54 pm

Isotopes?

Yeah radioactive istopes: Nuclear material found during ABF raid of south Sydney home

First we have a muzzie testing the protocols on an internal flight and now some nukes found. You don’t think that’s a bit off?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 17, 2023 5:54 pm

Hope Downs trial: Court hears fresh claims about John Hancock in long-running bid for mining royalties
Headshot of Tim Clarke
Tim Clarke
The West Australian
Thu, 17 August 2023 1:32PM

John Hancock — the only son of Australia’s richest person Gina Rinehart — was so broke during his legal fight with his mother that he couldn’t afford to replace the brake pads on his car.

That was the latest startling claim made during the billion-dollar family bust-up between the House of Hancock and Wright Prospecting, disputing the dollars flowing out of the massive Hope Downs mines in the Pilbara.

After four days of accusing Mrs Rinehart of fraud, the barrister for Mr Hancock and his sister Bianca Rinehart — who has attended WA’s Supreme Court all week — embarked on the finale of his case opening.

Christopher Withers said that in 2003, after he began investigating the complicated moves made by his mother following Lang Hancock’s death, John Hancock was met with “lies, bullying and intimidation”.

He described Mr Hancock’s efforts as “somewhat heroic”.

And the court was told those efforts led Mr Hancock into “deep financial difficulties”.

“Such was this imbalance of power between him and (Hancock Prospecting) that he had to even request Gina and (Hancock Prospecting) to meet some of his expenses,” Mr Withers said.

“He didn’t have enough money to buy brake pads, or service his car — that sort of thing.”

Lawyers’ letters, flying between the feuding mother and son in 2005 and 2006, exemplified the acrimony that spilled into public through the pages of The West Australian.

In one, Mr Hancock was told he was “on very thin ice”. In another, his allegations were described as a “crackpot claim”.

In others, Mr Withers said a “false narrative” was created that family patriarch Lang Hancock was responsible for almost bankrupting the Hancock dynasty — an explanation that Hancock Prospecting lawyers laid out in detail last week.

And in yet another, Mr Hancock’s lawyer was even sent a proposed media release — that he was being asked to make public — “urging John’s solicitor to throw him under the bus”.

“That speaks to the power that Gina believed she wielded,” Mr Withers said.

John and Bianca’s central claim to a bigger slice of the Hope Downs fortune revolves around a trust that their grandfather Lang set up before his death, which contained shares in a company that owned the interests in Hope Downs.

They say documents clearly show his intention was for those interests to go to them after his death.

Instead, it is claimed Mrs Rinehart secretly moved those interests into her control and then covered it up with a series of complex corporate manoeuvres.

The Hancock case is that Lang’s actions before his death were a “textbook breach of his fiduciary duty” to Hancock Prospecting — intended to give him access to millions to spend on his late-life wife Rose Porteous.

They say that left the Hancock dynasty on the verge of ruins, and Mrs Rinehart’s decision saved the company for the benefit of the entire family — and not a plan to defraud her own flesh and blood.

And they also point to a number of agreements signed by John Hancock over several years, which loaned him millions of dollars and precluded him from making any similar claims, and also bound him to a confidential mediation.

That mediation has also been ongoing as preparations for this trial went ahead, overseen by former Chief Justice Wayne Martin, and a decision in that process could be handed down even as the trial continues.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 17, 2023 5:55 pm

It’s definitely not Victoria in that regard.

If you were relying on The Age as your watchdog your loungeroom would be full of Sudanese some time ago.

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 5:57 pm

cohenite
Aug 17, 2023 5:54 PM

Isotopes?

Yeah radioactive istopes: Nuclear material found during ABF raid of south Sydney home

First we have a muzzie testing the protocols on an internal flight and now some nukes found. You don’t think that’s a bit off?

Yeah, didn’t hear about it before.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 17, 2023 5:58 pm

“He didn’t have enough money to buy brake pads, or service his car — that sort of thing.”
A chap can fall on hard times with his Bentley. Although I suspect Lang (or Rose) might have been a Rolls type.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 6:00 pm

BJ.

Wasn’t Razey going to move to Japan some years ago?

I think he’s there.
I mean, he told us many, many times he was off.
Surely he wouldn’t have welched on it.
Would he?

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 6:01 pm

Sounds like Trump did win Georgia as this was going on. This is what they are trying to hide and continue it on.

Pollster Richard Baris catches something very fishy on a flashback Tucker clip discussing GA “voter fraud”…

Watch the Tucker vid. Interesting flashback.

Rich Baris “The People’s Pundit”
@Peoples_Pundit
Interestingly, in this “flashback” video via @TuckerCarlson
that neither Fulton County officials nor @BrianKempGA
ever cared to explain, you can see ballots supposedly for Republicans voting for [drumroll] Fani Willis with a single dot in the bubble.

Watch, you’ll see it.

Kyle Becker
@kylenabecker
·
Aug 16
“It now appears there actually was meaningful voter fraud in Fulton County, Georgia last November.”

“That is not a conspiracy theory. It’s true.”

Tucker Carlson lays out the FACTS backing up the claims of election fraud in Georgia in the 2020 election.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1691490787404525574

Johnny Rotten
August 17, 2023 6:04 pm

Interesting.
I was looking up the olde English word “toone” earlier today.
It actually has two distinct meanings.

Try harder Mrs Stencho Pantyhose –

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/toone#:~:text=%3A%20to%20deserve%20something%20bad

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 17, 2023 6:05 pm

Power line fight update.
We’ve got the state Nationals on board with the alternative plan (Plan B – Mountain & Bartlett) for renewable & transmission lines and now we’re working on the Libs.
Arranging a presentation to their party room. We’ll insist Pesutto be there.
I’m warming to the task.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 17, 2023 6:06 pm

Razey-san (or perhaps more correctly-named Barmy Army Razey):

If the fucn Abo’s get compensation and this race based shit gets up then I want right of return to England + compensation

I knew it. I just knew it.

Yet another ten-pound specialist kipper-and-savoury-custard-inhaling whiner who has yet to say a single positive thing the entire time.

International tree-changers who turn up and do nothing but whinge about their new home not being exactly the same as the drizzling, moss-ridden shitfest they left.

Standard fare. Carry on.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 17, 2023 6:06 pm
Bill P
Bill P
August 17, 2023 6:07 pm

Yes23 clothes say ‘printed in Naarm’
I’m old enough to remember the story that the Japs renamed a manufacturing area Usa.
This was post WW2 about the 50’s when much Jap product was considered rubbish. I dunno if it was rubbish, but made in Usa sounded good.
That story may well have been rubbish.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 17, 2023 6:07 pm

LATAM pilot Iván Andaur, 56, collapses and dies in the lavatory of a Boeing 787 Dreamliner flying from Miami to Chile

It’s Happening!

Army tanks!

Razey
Razey
August 17, 2023 6:09 pm

The Abo’s should not receive a single cent from the tax payer. Fucn parasites.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 17, 2023 6:09 pm

It’s OK if they pay the ten pounds apparently.

Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 6:11 pm

I’m warming to the task.

Keep at them, Farmer Gez.

Appeasement is a recipe for failure. Courage is its own reward.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 17, 2023 6:12 pm

It’s OK if they pay the ten pounds apparently.

Shhh.

Razey’s on the Pimms No.1 Cup. ‘Pint of your best, landlord.’

Indolent
Indolent
August 17, 2023 6:12 pm

This is the article I posted this morning that Dot & Co took exception to and politely called nonsense. While obviously not categoric, I don’t think it is nonsense. Just because no one else will look closely at it for obvious reasons doesn’t make it wrong. If you don’t do the proper studies then the truth will never emerge, which is exactly the outcome intended.

Vaccines are causing most Type I diabetes

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 6:13 pm

He’s such a toone he retains his British passport despite living in Australia for 40 years.

toone, n.

A person who is trapped in a paralysing state of mind where their nostalgic yearning for life in an imaginary world which no longer exists (or never did exist) occupies every waking thought.

(This condition can carry through several generations. Descendants of English immigrants to the South Island of New Zealand have been known to suffer from toone-ism for up to six generations)

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 17, 2023 6:14 pm

Ten ponds to return a Pom is pretty good value. Put me down for 20.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 6:15 pm

Just keep on spamming. Okay.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 17, 2023 6:16 pm

NZ is 1950s England. Why would you need to leave?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 17, 2023 6:17 pm

Ten ponds to return a Pom is pretty good value. Put me down for 20.

You get an extra thruppence for every hankie knotted in each corner, previously worn on their heads while at gravel beaches.

Beertruk
August 17, 2023 6:18 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Aug 17, 2023 4:07 PM
We both had locally caught Jewfish from the menu at Nambucca Heads on Saturday nite. We wondered how it got its name.

The other name for Jewfish in Australia is Mulloway. I remember my Dad (who was a keen fisherman, beach, rock and worked on trawlers) saying that Jewfish was a bit of a bastardisation of Jewelfish because they had a very large earbone which is very beautiful to be turned into jewellery.

Indolent
Indolent
August 17, 2023 6:18 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 6:20 pm

Indolent

Aug 17, 2023 6:12 PM

This is the article I posted this morning that Dot & Co took exception to and politely called nonsense.

It wasn’t polite.
Kirsch is an idiot.

While obviously not categoric, I don’t think it is nonsense.

Hmmm.
Vaccine causes diabetes.
Sounds categoric.
You not regarding it as nonsense doesn’t carry a lot of weight with me.

Just because no one else will look closely at it for obvious reasons doesn’t make it wrong.

If it’s one of your links, odds are high that it might be wrong. The track record isn’t great, champ.

If you don’t do the proper studies then the truth will never emerge, which is exactly the outcome intended.

Proper studies?
Steve Kirsch?
Don’t make me larf!
Precious little detail around his “survey of 10,000 people”. None in fact.

Vaccines are causing most Type I diabetes

No they don’t.
Fck off.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 17, 2023 6:22 pm

Put me down for 20.

Pounds or Poms?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 6:23 pm

Indolent

Aug 17, 2023 6:18 PM

Another YOUNG Olympic Athlete Dies Suddenly

And that is evidence of what, exactly?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 17, 2023 6:23 pm

Vaccines are causing most Type I diabetes

Tunnels!

Can’t you see?

As an aside, it was inevitable that someone got champed today.

Beertruk
August 17, 2023 6:25 pm

Curse this iPad.
I hate it.

Robert Sewell
August 17, 2023 6:27 pm

cohenite

Aug 17, 2023 5:54 PM

Isotopes?
Yeah radioactive istopes: Nuclear material found during ABF raid of south Sydney home
First we have a muzzie testing the protocols on an internal flight and now some nukes found. You don’t think that’s a bit off?

Probably disassembled fire alarms – Americium?
Of such minute quantities that it’s only useful for sending Greenies into an hysterical state.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 17, 2023 6:29 pm

Jewfish (Jewies) are everywhere in Darwin Harbour.

You have to bounce off the bottom to get them on and around certain areas, and they fight like fury on the way up.

A couple of years ago I got five in an hour and a half. Snap. Average of 135cm.

On average, fifteen to 20 minutes to get them in the boat but geez they’re good eating. Barra’s for the tourists. Their flesh congeals nicely so you can not only pan fry it in thick steak sizes, but put it in curries and like as well.

Just marvellous.

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 6:31 pm

Everyone’s heard to story about a certain nameless politician being attacked by a dad because he was trying to make nice with underage gals. I heard a new twist to the story told to wifey.

According to what was told, there wasn’t any attack coming from a male, the attack came from the politician’s wife (using a cricket bat) because he was spending all his time flirting with other women during the stay. He was viciously attacked with a cricket bat and for a while the ambulance guys didn’t know if he’d make it.

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 6:32 pm

It’s a competition between left-wing nut jobs and right-wing loonies as to if global boiling or vaxxxines can be blamed for absolutely everything from Aardvark domestic violence to Zelensky’s crappy wardrobe assistants.

Think of it as an ultramarathon of hysteria.

There’s a warming list, we should get a vaxxxine list too.

Johnny Rotten
August 17, 2023 6:33 pm

This was post WW2 about the 50’s when much Jap product was considered rubbish. I dunno if it was rubbish, but made in Usa sounded good.
That story may well have been rubbish.

You could well be right. The one I heard was of a town in Japan renamed England. So they stamped the products ‘Made in England’. LOL. How very clever of them.

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 6:33 pm

NZ is 1950s England. Why would you need to leave?

Just avoid Auckland and you’ll be sweet, bro’.

cohenite
August 17, 2023 6:36 pm

Probably disassembled fire alarms – Americium?
Of such minute quantities that it’s only useful for sending Greenies into an hysterical state.

Yeah; the stuff, if that’s what it was, is damned expensive and can make nuke bombs and if you put it in a normal explosive leaves a radioactive residue which would please the muzzies. All I’m saying is it comes hard on the heels of the airplane practice run.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 6:39 pm

KD earlier re BHP (Broken Hearted Poms).

Yet another ten-pound specialist kipper-and-savoury-custard-inhaling whiner who has yet to say a single positive thing the entire time.

International tree-changers who turn up and do nothing but whinge about their new home not being exactly the same as the drizzling, moss-ridden shitfest they left.

Standard fare. Carry on.

It is interesting to examine the psyche of the BHPs (such as it is).
They imagined they were emigrating to a country full of slack-jawed yokels and dullard bog-Irishmen.
For a toolshop foreman at Wolls Woyce this would be a walk in the park. My obvious superiority will be immediately recognised and I will be in the corner office of a major public company before you can say, “I just don’t like it!”
When it inevitably doesn’t quite pan out that way and the toone-ing gets wound up to eleventy.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 6:41 pm

Knuckle Dragger

Aug 17, 2023 6:23 PM

Vaccines are causing most Type I diabetes

Tunnels!

Can’t you see?

As an aside, it was inevitable that someone got champed today.

Look, I try not to over-champ, but I think that particular champing was thoroughly deserved.

P
P
August 17, 2023 6:42 pm

Beertruk
Aug 17, 2023 6:18 PM

The other name for Jewfish in Australia is Mulloway. I remember my Dad (who was a keen fisherman, beach, rock and worked on trawlers) saying that Jewfish was a bit of a bastardisation of Jewelfish because they had a very large earbone which is very beautiful to be turned into jewellery.

JEWFISH, also known as mulloway, have become such a sought-after and targeted species on the east coast of Australia. Nice pic

This short video shows how to remove the otoliths (jewels) from a mulloway (jewfish).

Dot
Dot
August 17, 2023 6:46 pm

Grey Nurse vibes.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 17, 2023 6:47 pm

‘Cutting edge’ wind farm kills 8 eagles, prompting moratorium call

EXCLUSIVE
By MATTHEW DENHOLM
TASMANIA CORRESPONDENT
@MatthewRDenholm

A wind farm with ‘industry leading’ bird avoidance technology has killed at least eight endangered Tasmanian wedge-tailed eagles, prompting calls for an urgent moratorium on new turbines in eagle zones.

Cattle Hill Wind Farm in Tasmania’s highlands uses ‘IdentiFlight’ camera technology, which it describes as a “cutting-edge avian detection system”, to stop turbines when birds approach.

However, the system – spruiked by industry and regulators as the foremost solution to bird deaths – has failed to stop the deaths of at least eight endangered eagles in less than four years.

The Australian understands that figure – confirmed by Tasmania’s Environment Protection Authority in correspondence – includes five eagle deaths since the wind farm’s latest reporting.

“We should be very concerned about this because what we’re looking at here is the start of a planned huge industry,” said eagle expert and wildlife biologist Nick Mooney.

“Everybody has ignored rule 101. That is, if you’re worried about eagles, don’t put wind farms where there’s lots of eagles, and the overseas (scientific) literature stresses that.”

He was aware of 61 wedge-tailed eagles and five white-bellied sea-eagles being found dead or incapacitated during periods of formal mortality monitoring at Tasmania’s existing wind farms.

This was likely a fraction of the real number, with some wind farms no longer required to monitor for bird deaths and formal monitoring restricted to areas under turbines, missing birds that die further afield after being struck.

He was aware of another nine large-scale wind farms proposed for Tasmania, concerning given that cumulative impacts of multiple wind farms was still not factored into federal or state regulatory approvals.

“We have to get things right now because if we have 10 times the number of turbines in years ahead, we don’t want 10 times the death rate,” Mr Mooney said.

“So far they’ve put wind farms exactly where you shouldn’t put them. On migratory (bird) routes, in medium and high eagle densities.”

He understood Cattle Hill had identified vegetation obscuring the IdentiFlight cameras as the key problem.

It is understood the wind farm is building a 30m tower to overcome the problem. However, Mr Mooney said the shortcomings and the appropriateness of the solution should be independently verified.

He believed several turbines at Cattle Hill may need to be shutdown in the interim, and the massive industry expansion in moderate to high eagle density areas put on hold until an effective bird avoidance system was developed.

The wedge-tailed eagle recovery plan was due to be updated in 2010, but a promised revamp was yet to materialise, despite of – or he believed potentially because of – the proliferation of wind farms since.

The Australian has contacted Cattle Hill Wind Farm, the EPA and the federal and state environment ministers for comment.

Oz. No comments from Bob Brown and Adam Bandt?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 6:49 pm

Dot

Aug 17, 2023 6:46 PM

Grey Nurse vibes.

I see what you did there.
Shared suspicions.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 17, 2023 6:49 pm

As an aside, it was inevitable that someone got champed today.

Yep. You’d have trouble laying that one off.

Johnny Rotten
August 17, 2023 6:52 pm

Ten ponds to return a Pom is pretty good value. Put me down for 20.

Yes, Neanderthal Man. You can pay as many ponds as you have. Go play with your willy wonka.

BTW, the ones causing a lot of the problems in Sunny Australia seem to be those radical Muslims. And I wonder who let them in.

Robert Sewell
August 17, 2023 6:53 pm

Top Ender:
They don’t even need to hit the birds with the blade – the barotrauma from the very low air pressure behind the moving blade is enough to break bones in the birds – especially big birds – which are just bags of air and hollow uncooked spaghetti at the leading edge of biological practicability.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 17, 2023 6:54 pm

Daily Tele article by James Morrow on woke Alan Joyce also includes opinion poll, now running:

Will you vote Yes for the Voice as it currently stands in full?
Yes 4 %
No 96 %
2330 votes

Johnny Rotten
August 17, 2023 7:01 pm

Sancho Panzer
Aug 17, 2023 6:39 PM

Mrs Stencho Pantyhose. You still seem to have that lisp. ‘Sirry iriot’ (a la Benny Hill).

Maybe a visit to Nurse Betty is in order. Ladyboy.

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 7:01 pm

No comments from Bob Brown and Adam Bandt?

I believe Brown is on the record as against wind turbines in Tasmania

As for Bandt, he’s a self-confessed Marxist long marcher using the Greens as a vehicle to subvert Australian democracy. If conservation of the environment was his agenda, he’d be opposing mass migration.

Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 7:04 pm

Will you vote Yes for the Voice as it currently stands in full?
Yes 4 %
No 96 %

The only people who don’t know what’s going on in Australia are the radical activists determined to make the rest of us eat their s**t.

The Albanese regime are the radical extremists. Thankfully, there is no election cheating in Australia as yet and they’ll soon be thrown out.

mem
mem
August 17, 2023 7:06 pm

This is from the ABC news. Not sure whether the croc or the man are in jeopardy.

Authorities warn against ‘life-threatening risks’ after man filmed fishing metres from saltwater crocodile
A crocodile sits on a sandy bank while a man fishes nearby
A viral online video showing a man fishing near a large croc has left authorities dismayed and locals concerned for the future of the well-known reptile.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 17, 2023 7:07 pm

It’s a typo innit?

Roger
Roger
August 17, 2023 7:17 pm

The Albanese regime are the radical extremists. Thankfully, there is no election cheating in Australia as yet and they’ll soon be thrown out.

After which he’ll spend the next 30 years talking and writing about how Australia wasn’t worthy of “my government.”

Comrades.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 17, 2023 7:18 pm

Sealed section for Poms Only.
Parky, brown bread.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 17, 2023 7:18 pm

A few hundred million quid will heal all the pain and hurt…..

Ancient Aboriginal rock shelter near huge Fortescue mine, archaeologist tells epic Yindjibarndi court battle
Rebecca Le MayThe West Australian
Thu, 17 August 2023 4:29PM

An ancient rock shelter has been unearthed in WA’s Pilbara region near Fortescue Metals Group’s massive Solomon operation that is believed to be at least 45,000 years old.

In what is believed to be a first for a native title court case in WA, the cave was the site of a hearing this week in the last leg of the long-running battle between the miner and Yindjibarndi Aboriginal Corporation.

The Federal Court is now determining how much compensation YAC should be paid for more than 10 years of iron ore mining on their country, effectively without consent.

That’s because the group was in 2017 granted “exclusive possession” over the land on which three-quarters of the lucrative, three-mine project sits but ensuing talks for an Indigenous Land Agreement went nowhere.

After touring the mine on Monday, the court held outdoor hearings at the nearby sacred site and freshwater spring Bangkangarra, with Justice Stephen Burley and about 30 others walking 750 metres up a hill to the cave on Wednesday.

As Justice Burley noted “constant. . . sound of vehicles” from a haul road about 10 metres away, archaeologist Peter Veth described what his dig team found about 1.7 metres below the surface: evidence of continuous human habitation and even trade with the coast, far from the inland site around 60km north of Tom Price.

“It’s got baler shells, coastal shellfish, large ones that were used for water containers. . . possibly using them for ceremonial and other uses,” the University of WA professor told The West Australian.

“And we’ve not reached the bottom yet so we’re going to have to come back and do some more work.”

Professor Veth said the team believed the cave was possibly more than 50,000 years old, making it older than the 46,000-year-old Juukan Gorge caves Rio Tinto legally destroyed after being permitted under Section 18 of the Aboriginal Heritage Act — but that was yet to be confirmed by luminescence dating of samples.

“That’s getting right into the earliest dates for Australia,” he said.

“It’s deep, it’s rich. The Pilbara is full of significant areas and sites — they should be celebrated.

“The people call it history here, deep history, and don’t see why they should throw it away.

“People here aren’t anti-mining. They just don’t want the land and important places to be f***ed over.”

Professor Veth is disappointed the State Government recently abandoned its re-write of the 50-year-old Act, instead adopting amendments such as allowing appeals against Section 18 approvals to damage cultural sites, saying the laws remained “completely outdated”.

Many of the large miners had supported an overhaul, realising that in a modern social responsibility framework, corporates had to undertake “real engagement”.

They had invested heavily in anticipation “and so I suspect that many wouldn’t be pleased”, Professor Veth said.

YAC’s senior counsel Vance Hughston told the court in his opening submissions that Fortescue had destroyed “at least” 249 sacred sites at Solomon.

The case is expected to wrap up on Monday before hearing closing submissions early next year.

YAC is arguing it should be paid $500 million in royalties and interest, and another $500m for cultural and spiritual harm.

Pogria
Pogria
August 17, 2023 7:19 pm

Following on from Lizzie’s delightful Jewfish dinner, my dinner tonight was the first Goose egg of the season. Gently fried in butter until very runny. Served with a splash of home-made Worcesteshire and chunks of home-made crusty bread. mmmmmmmm

Goose eggs are a dream meal for anyone who loves runny yolks. Also quite a rare treat.
Geese are seasonal and they only lay around fifteen eggs in a season.

Robert Sewell
August 17, 2023 7:21 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYpjkWUGpbo
First burnt-out EV on Fremantle Hwy revealed: Leaked photo! | Auto Expert John Cadogan

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
August 17, 2023 7:25 pm

First we have a muzzie testing the protocols on an internal flight and now some nukes found

Has there been a full description of the two men who paralysed Sydney’s train system last night, after breaking in to a key part of the network?
Minns has announced an inquiry into the security of the network and two people have been arrested.
Two blokes “sleeping rough” beside signalling equipment apparently vandalised the equipment and caused massive delays for crowds leaving the soccer.
Surely not a trial run. Surely not.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 7:28 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

Aug 17, 2023 5:04 PM

Err … opinions may vary as to the ethics and legality of “one of Australia’s most successful businessmen”.

Such as those who owned shares in Bell Group?

Did you lose money in Bell Group?
I was working for a professional services firm in Melbourne in the mid-late ’80’s and there were four “do not touch” investments … Skase, Bond, Holmes a Court and Spalvins.

Tom
Tom
August 17, 2023 7:32 pm

Sir Micheal Parkinson has died, aged 88

Rabz
August 17, 2023 7:34 pm

Any Cats been attending the ALP National Conference? Rog?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 17, 2023 7:34 pm

We can only hope Roger Moore isn’t next.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 7:36 pm

Roger’s OK, mate.
Hasn’t done much of late, but who could blame him for kicking back a bit.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 17, 2023 7:36 pm

A lot of people would have FAI Insurance on that list as well. Not Lord Waffleworth apparently.

Indolent
Indolent
August 17, 2023 7:36 pm
Top Ender
Top Ender
August 17, 2023 7:39 pm

Nearly three out in five drivers (58 per cent) would welcome the arrive of noise-detection cameras in their areas to crackdown on illegally loud vehicles, a new study has found.

Just a fifth (22 per cent) of respondents to a poll of 1,424 motorists commissioned by the RAC voted against the idea, with a similar proportion (20 per cent) unsure about the technology being rolled out across the UK.

Daily Mail

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 17, 2023 7:44 pm

Don’t take this the wrong way indolent but I think Dot may be the only one who clicks on your links, and then only as a break from arguing with Bird.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 17, 2023 7:44 pm

Roger
Aug 17, 2023 7:01 PM
No comments from Bob Brown and Adam Bandt?

I believe Brown is on the record as against wind turbines in Tasmania

As for Bandt, he’s a self-confessed Marxist long marcher using the Greens as a vehicle to subvert Australian democracy. If conservation of the environment was his agenda, he’d be opposing mass migration.

Whatever happened to such environmental groups as Australians Against Further Immigration, Zero Population Growth and similar?

cohenite
August 17, 2023 7:48 pm
Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 17, 2023 7:49 pm

I thought Oprah Winfrey died in the great Twinkie shortage of 2013.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 17, 2023 7:49 pm

Don’t take this the wrong way indolent but I think Dot may be the only one who clicks on your links, and then only as a break from arguing with Bird.

I click on many of indolent’s links. Some of them are trash. Some are interesting and useful. Which is natural enough. Exactly the same applies to lots of other people.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 17, 2023 7:49 pm

Nearly three out in five drivers (58 per cent) would welcome the arrive of noise-detection cameras in their areas to crackdown on illegally loud vehicles, a new study has found.

LOL. Well I suppose cameras always come with microphones these days. Young journos may not come with brains though, at least not in the standard package.

The idea would not go down well in my suburb, not at all. I have no less than four neighbours with hogs, at least one a Harley. The other three can do decibels too. All big bikes. My neighbours tolerate my birdies singing at dawn, just before they mount their motorcycles, hit the throttle and are loudly off to work. I like my neighbours and our suburb.

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 7:55 pm

cohenite
Aug 17, 2023 7:48 PM

Latest Shellenberger effort proves conclusively the monstrous off shore wind turbines kill whales.

Turtle should be hung off one of the stupid things.

Come on, that’s going far too far.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 17, 2023 7:57 pm

Any Cats been attending the ALP National Conference?

I suspect it is actually medically possible to be bored fatally.

‘Get a gold star for sitting through that’: Clennell criticises Albanese’s Labor conference speech (Sky mainpage headline, 17 Aug)

Maybe some walking wounded after Albo’s effort, but probably not to a Vogon poetry level.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 17, 2023 7:58 pm

H B Bear

Aug 17, 2023 7:36 PM

A lot of people would have FAI Insurance on that list as well. Not Lord Waffleworth apparently.

Ah, yes.
Wodney.
Probably a second stringer compared with others, but definitely a high quality spiv on his day.
Not somewhere you’d park the proceeds of the sale of the house whilst you were looking for new digs.
If we are having a Corporate Spiv Logies with sub-categories, the award for the blokes who were still pulling wool over eyes long after the money had gone, you can’t go past Bill Farrow and David Clarke from Pyramid Building Society.
I swear to Allah, if they could have got a banking licence 12 months after the crash, the good bogans of Geelong would have been shovelling money through the door.
That changed gradually as it became apparent that those two had come through it without losing much paint at all.

Indolent
Indolent
August 17, 2023 8:00 pm

This was posted on the old thread but what with the quick page turns it might easily have been missed and I think it’s very worthwhile. Not that it’ll surprise too many people here.

The FULL Erec Smith: A Diversity Trainer Speaks Out Against DEI

JC
JC
August 17, 2023 8:04 pm

An episode on some trashy Apple+ series

Season Finale

A gay Syrian refugee dreams of being granted asylum in America so he can live openly and bone other men in the rear.

Okay, I added the last bit, but the rest is correct.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 17, 2023 8:05 pm

a lot of the problems in Sunny Australia seem to be those radical Muslims. And I wonder who let them in

Said the kipper-muncher whose own country is overrun with them.

Nobody in this wide brown land has had to use a narwhal tusk to subdue them.

Yet.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 17, 2023 8:10 pm

When Goose Swansteen is the voice of reason at Liars national conference you know things are crook.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 17, 2023 8:14 pm

I use a narwhal tusk when I misplace my jawbone of an ass.

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