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JC
JC
August 24, 2023 10:26 am
Dot
Dot
August 24, 2023 10:28 am

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Jorge
Aug 24, 2023 10:00 AM

Marrying a gal from Ukraine would on average be a very bad idea

Not sure what to make of your sarcasm.

???

FEMEN started in Ukraine and the Ukrainian government let all the women go and forced the men to fight.

There is absolutely no sarcasm regarding a foreign Ukraine bride.

I can say I think that place has rabid feminism and Putin is a covetous warmonger.

I can chew gum and walk at the same time, can you?

JC
JC
August 24, 2023 10:29 am

No kidding of there is a God , along with heaven and hell, proggsie is in serious trouble right at this moment.

JC
JC
August 24, 2023 10:29 am

Freaking iPhone.

If

Arky
August 24, 2023 10:35 am

Some people unfortunately on the right think that they’re friends of ours. They’re not. The Kremlin is not the friend of America. The idea that they’re saviors to Western civilization is an absurd concept. But at the same time, they’re not this massive behemoth. They’re not some dragon of a threat to the United States. If you just look at them demographically, they’re losing 600,000 people per year. More people die, to the tune of 600,000 people per year, in Russia than are born. This is a country that is resource-dependent. If the price of oil drops, that’s a massive problem for not just Putin, [but also] for the Russian people.

It’s not a threat to America writ large, as it was, but it must be understood as a spoiler. This is the most important way to understand Russia. Russia is an anti-status quo actor. It’s not interested in collaborating with us for the sake of collaboration. It will only collaborate if it sees it in its own benefit to do so. In the meantime, it will try to undermine us, because we believe things that are antithetical to what people like Vladimir Putin believe. So [in] this administration we have an amazing senior director in the NSC on Russia issues. She [Fiona Hill] also understands it’s not a threat to America as it was. But it is a disrupter; it is a spoiler; it is an anti-status quo actor.

-Gorka.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/interview/sebastian-gorka/

Roger
Roger
August 24, 2023 10:41 am

What four acts?

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948) Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

I don’t believe there is evidence for (d) as yet.

calli
calli
August 24, 2023 10:41 am

It’s not interested in collaborating with us for the sake of collaboration. It will only collaborate if it sees it in its own benefit to do so.

You could say the same about most countries’ foreign policy. The USA included.

The days of international altruism are long gone, if they ever existed at all.

calli
calli
August 24, 2023 10:44 am

In other news…I am crutch free, less than a week from surgery.

Told youse I was a tough old biddy. 😀

Tom
Tom
August 24, 2023 10:47 am

Many, many upticks, Calli!

Cassie of Sydney
August 24, 2023 10:50 am

“calli
Aug 24, 2023 10:41 AM”

1000000000000000000 upticks.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 24, 2023 10:50 am

Browsing military websites, saw this interesting story. Top Ender may especially like it.

The B-17 ‘Black Jack’, a bomber that was missing for 43 years under the sea (16 Aug)

That plane had the construction number 3206 and serial number 41-24521. It was manufactured by Boeing in Seattle. On August 30, 1942, the plane flew from Hamilton Field, California, to Hickam, Hawaii, to finally complete a very long journey to Australia. Assigned to the 5th Air Force, he was attached to the 63rd Bombardment Squadron (63rd BS) of the 43rd Bombardment Group (43rd BG), being assigned to Captain Kenneth D. McCullar.

On July 11, 1943, the “Black Jack” flew a bombing mission against the port city of Rabaul, on the island of New Britain, Papua New Guinea, which had been captured by the Japanese at the beginning of 1942. During the flight, it had problems with its engines 3 and 4, but it was able to complete its mission. When they returned, they encountered a strong storm that ended up disabling the engines that had caused problems. The pilot was unable to maintain course, they got lost and the plane ran out of fuel. Finally, the crew abandoned it, and the “Black Jack” fell into the sea near Cape Vogel, near Kakau, in Papua New Guinea.

The ten crew members of the “Black Jack” managed to survive and were rescued, but the plane sank into the sea, at a depth of about 50 meters.

Some awesome stills and a very fine short scuba video. Amazing how well the B-17 has survived being submerged in seawater for 80 years.

Robert Sewell
August 24, 2023 10:51 am

Feelthebern:

Current Starlink in Oz is awesome compared to the alternatives (as I’ve been told by many, many fries..I mean users) and they are working on upping the speeds?

Until they provide plug and play setup outside Google software and thus allowing Google to intrude on everything you do, it isn’t viable for me.

calli
calli
August 24, 2023 10:53 am

On “International altruism”, there’s one thing Kipling got right…

Take up the White Man’s burden—
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard—
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:—
“Why brought ye us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?”

Sounds awfully familiar.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 10:55 am

Just finished watching my, around, 25th Netflix Korean Series

My Love from the Star

Genres – Romantic Comedy, Fantasy, Drama

Synopsis – 21 Episodes

Do Min-joon (Kim Soo-hyun) is an alien who landed on Earth in 1609 during the Joseon Dynasty. He saves a girl named Seo Yi-hwa from falling off a cliff and misses his return trip to his home planet and is stranded on Earth for the next four centuries. He has a near-perfect human appearance, enhanced physical abilities involving his vision, hearing and speed, and a cynical, jaded view of human beings. Min-joon never ages and is forced to take on a new identity every ten years; he has worked as a doctor, an astronomer, a lawyer, and a banker, and is now working as a college professor.

Cheon Song-yi (Jun Ji-hyun) is a famous Hallyu actress who attained stardom as a schoolchild; her haughty demeanor has earned derision in the entertainment industry and on social media. Song-yi’s spendthrift mother has mismanaged her finances and her younger brother Cheon Yoon-jae (Ahn Jae-hyun) is estranged by her success. Lee Hee-kyung (Park Hae-jin) has been Song-yi’s friend since middle school and remains in love with her but is continually rejected. In turn, Yoo Se-mi (Yoo In-na), Song-yi’s childhood friend who is frequently cast in a supporting role alongside Song-yi has had a crush on Hee-kyung since middle school despite her love being unrequited. As a result, Se-mi secretly harbors a deep jealousy towards Song-yi for standing in the way of her career and love interest.

With only three months left before Min-joon’s long-awaited departure to his planet of origin, Song-yi suddenly becomes his next-door neighbor in the condominium where he lives. Slowly, Min-joon finds himself entangled in Song-yi’s crazy and unpredictable situations, saving her multiple times using his special powers and eventually acting as her manager due to his vast legal knowledge. He finds out that she at a young age resembles Yi-hwa, with whom he fell in love with 400 years earlier. Min-joon and Song-yi eventually fall in love; Min-joon aims to leave Earth without being emotionally attached so he tries to avoid her but fails. While Song-yi initially does not understand his impending departure, she ultimately accepts letting him go to assure his survival.

Song-yi’s career goes into a downturn when her talent agency and sponsors drop her in a backlash against her recent behavior, particularly rumors that she caused the suicide of her arch-rival, actress Han Yoo-ra. Earlier at a celebrity wedding, Song-yi had discovered Yoo-ra was in a secret relationship with Lee Jae-kyung (Shin Sung-rok), the elder brother of Hee-hyung. Jae-kyung tries to silence Song-yi until Min-joon brokers a deal to spare her in return for burying the evidence. Jae-kyung, however, turns out to be much more dangerous than Min-joon suspected, learning to exploit Min-joon’s weaknesses and injuring Se-mi’s older brother, a prosecutor who is investigating Yoo-ra’s suicide. Min-joon, despite being discreet in the use of his special abilities, eventually draws the attention of police while losing control of his powers as his departure date nears. While jealous of Min-joon for winning Song-yi’s heart, Hee-kyung works with Min-joon to protect her from Jae-kyung.[1]

The Korean shows I have watched cover an amazing broad spectrum – Book Publishing, Ad Agency, Art Gallery, Autism (Amazing Attorney Woo), Vets, Doctors, History

Scripts and presentation really enjoyable – a relaxing break from Lousy American & Australian Shows

As one who bought his Wife in 1968, when living in Davis Avenue South Yarra, a Norma Tullo Coat Dress from her store just around the corner on Toorak Road South Yarra – the Females Dresses in My Love from the Star are superbly elegant

And for Cat Females the Men dress well also

lotocoti
lotocoti
August 24, 2023 10:57 am

Percentage of British battle wounds, WW2*:
Mortar, grenade, aerial bomb, shell – 75%
Bullet, anti-tank shell – 10%
Landmine, booby trap – 10%
Improvements in vascular repair have no doubt reduced
the amputation rates for a lot of limb injuries.
Excepting mines.
There’s no fixing a foot blown off by an AP Mine, or pulped by an ATM.
*Official figures quoted in The Sharp End. John Ellis, 1980.

Arky
August 24, 2023 10:57 am

They have perfected information operations and information warfare. This goes without any question. In the last 10 years, if you look at the preparatory measures they deployed in Ukraine five to 10 years before they invaded, they were using very sophisticated information operations and subversive measures. That is a threat, not an existential one to America, but it is something that this administration was aware of and that Capitol Hill and others need to wake up to. Russia has always been involved in information operations and subversion, and now they’ve really fine-tuned it. …

..
-Gorka, Sept. 2017

Rosie
Rosie
August 24, 2023 10:58 am

Bruce sees no difference between the desperately poor seeking a new life and terrorists.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 11:01 am

Tucker Carlson
@TuckerCarlson
Ep. 19 Debate Night with Donald J Trump

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OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 11:02 am

10:55 am · 24 Aug 2023
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Lysander
Lysander
August 24, 2023 11:05 am

Some reports Wagner forces are heading back to Moscow… civil war can’t be good for Russia (or any of us!)…

Lysander
Lysander
August 24, 2023 11:10 am

17M view now Oz.

Roger
Roger
August 24, 2023 11:11 am

It’s noteworthy that the bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad* have been very circumspect re Putins’ war. They have also been active in providing aid and sustenance to Ukrainian refugees, including in Australia.

* Founded by White exiles in W. Europe c. 1920 after the church in Russia came under severe Communist persecution and communication with it was disrupted; dioceses in W. Europe, UK, North and South America and Australia/NZ. Returned to communion with Moscow c. 2006 but administratively autonomous.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 11:12 am

The Physical Decay of War Pig Victoria Nuland Is Truly Shocking

BY TDB – WEDNESDAY, AUG 23, 2023

People eventually get the face they deserve, so the maxim goes.

For no one does it seem more apropos than longtime Deep State war pig Victoria Nuland, whom the Brandon entity recently promoted to the position of top lieutenant in the State Department – a surefire signal that more war is on the horizon, as it always is in American Empire.

This realization came upon me while watching a recent clip from Glenn Greenwald detailing Nuland’s decades-long career in Washington doing one thing and one thing only:

lobbying for endless war as the queen of all war pigs.

(As one commenter noted on the YouTube video, in all of her public appearances Nuland gives undeniable Nurse Ratchet vibes – the epically insidious, manipulative antagonist in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.)

In it, Greenwald harkens back to the early aughts version of a fresh-faced Nuland, working then directly under the guidance of what can only be called her mentor, the repugnant Dick Cheney — whose face only a mother could love, and probably not her either.

Here she is fresh off of her tenure as Cheney’s top Iraq War advisor. She’s perky and smiley-faced and decidedly less menopausal in appearance and demeanor than current form – and charming the pants off of the C-SPAN hack:

Here’s Nuland in 2013 in her new role as Department of State spokescreature, in which she’s starting to look a little rough around the edges.

Here she is in 2018 with Russiagater, fellow war pig, and resident MSNBC lesbian kingpin Rachel Maddow. She can be seen here starting to take final form.

And, finally, here she is discussing opaque American biolabs abroad in 2022, in peak form.

All of the genocidal lies seem to have really taken their toll.

Dot
Dot
August 24, 2023 11:14 am

WHAT?

How come the gossips here didn’t tell me Saudi Boat Cake and Spare are getting divorced?

Kiss my arse she retains a Royal title.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 24, 2023 11:14 am

Roger at 10:41

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

Would that mean placing a “Planned Parenthood” abortion clinic in a Blak community qualifies as genocide?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 24, 2023 11:14 am

I don’t believe there is evidence for (d) as yet.

Definite yes to (e). A lot of ethnic Ukrainian children have been taken out of the occupied areas and placed with Russians. Also this:

Behind the Lines: Russia’s Ethnic Cleansing (27 Jul)

Around 40,000 people have relocated to Mariupol, encouraged by promises of higher salaries, according to Andriushchenko. The average pay for construction work is 230,000 rubles ($2,550) a month, he explained. “There are no such salaries in Russia now. That’s why they go to Mariupol,” he said. “At first, Mariupol residents were hired for construction work, now they’re not.”

Approximately 60% of the residents of Melitopol, in Zaporizhzhia Oblast, have left the city and moved to territory controlled by Ukraine. “Instead, they have been replaced by citizens of Russia, who in most cases have family ties to units of the Russian Armed Forces and representatives of the occupation administrations,”

Stalin did it, now Putin is doing it: relocating ethnicities away from their home areas to dilute them and reduce opposition. It’s a fairly effective strategy in a callous sort of way, but don’t ask Slobodan Milosevic about that, or Bill Clinton. Or the Israeli settler movement.

The Times has an article this week, but it’s paywalled.

Ukraine war: Russia plans ‘ethnic cleansing’ of Mariupol (21 Aug)

Cassie of Sydney
August 24, 2023 11:19 am

“Or the Israeli settler movement.”

What’s your point here? I’m not aware of any Israeli settlers relocating Arabs, or taking Arab children.

Roger
Roger
August 24, 2023 11:20 am

I really don’t think so, Roger.

The arrest warrant has already been issued by the ICC and the evidence is continually being updated by investigators. Probably moot as I doubt Putin will ever leave Russia or its geographic sphere of influence again, but such will be his legacy.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 11:21 am

Tucker Carlson
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Ep. 19 Debate Night with Donald J Trump
10:55 am · 24 Aug 2023

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Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 24, 2023 11:22 am

In Brightest and Best news:

‘Overwhelming’ consensus renewables are better than nuclear: Chalmers

Jim Chalmers has knocked back suggestions Australia should develop a nuclear power industry, saying there’s an overwhelming consensus among investors and the government that renewable energy provides better industrial opportunities.

Technical Note: This overwhelming consensus is amongst renewable rentiers who would have their trays of OPM taken away by nuclear power – so we can assume no conflicts of interest.

Chalmers said Australia had an abundance of resources to generate renewables energy. It was the “cheapest form of new energy” in the government’s view, he told Sky News.

The main resource for renewables (and conventional) is capital. Experience tells us quite clearly that, when this is applied to non-dispatchable generation, it doesn’t lead to cheap energy.

“We think that there are vast industrial opportunities for cleaner and cheaper, more reliable, increasingly renewable energy … that is overwhelmingly the view of the investor community as well.”

But not, apparently, the consumer community – who need subsidies to pass onto the investor community.

He added that anyone who wanted to construct nuclear reactors would have the difficult task of convincing Australians where they should be built.

A quick glimpse at the bogey man that’s going to be deployed to frighten the superstitious and credulous.

Top Man.

Arky
August 24, 2023 11:22 am

Meanwhile, at the U.N.:
..

Csaba K?rösi (Hungary), President of the General Assembly, said a political solution, founded upon the Charter of the United Nations and international law, that restores Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders, will end this war. “This war, like all wars, will end,” he said. “That it will end with a sovereign and independent Ukraine, and a sovereign and independent Russia. And that the Russian Federation and Ukraine will coexist as neighbours, as Member States within the same multilateral system.”

Argentina’s delegate called on all parties involved to return to the negotiating table. Her delegation is committed to the peaceful resolution of international disputes, observing: “It is only in this way that we guarantee just and lasting solutions.” Evidence suggests that there is stunted progress across various mediation attempts and she appealed for the resumption of political dialogue to calm tensions.

The representative of Liechtenstein said his country condemns all attempts to annex any part of Ukraine, noting that the Russian Federation’s full-scale aggression has only increased the importance of Crimea to Ukraine’s territorial integrity. “We must take an honest look at our past actions and omissions in this respect, as well as their consequences,” he stressed, underscoring that the Assembly’s meek response to the invasion and annexation of Crimea in 2014 has helped create the conditions for the full-scale invasion in 2022.

Albania’s delegate echoed that sentiment and recalled that, in 2008, as it tried to recover from the aftermath of the Berlin Wall’s fall, the Russian Federation occupied Georgia’s territory in a short, but brutal war. Six years later, “Russia would go again hunting, and its appetite would grow”, he said, observing that, in Crimea, Moscow planted its flag and said: “It’s mine.”

Dmytro Kuleba, Minister for Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, stated that no figures can help people comprehend what is going on in his country. The Russian Federation does not mind the suffering of children “to achieve its sick political goals”, he stressed. The invasion has deprived 7.5 million Ukrainian children of their normal lives, displacing two thirds of them, killing at least 494 and injuring 1,052. In addition, the Russian Federation continues the mass abduction and deportation of children and Ukraine has identified 19,474 illegally transferred children, with only 383 returned and reunited with their families.

A further 8,800 civilians have become victims of enforced disappearances, with over 10,000 people considered missing. With no other modern conflict having seen such crimes on such a scale, he called for a new international instrument for punishing the abduction of civilians, further rejecting all calls for “fake pacifism” or territorial concessions for the illusion of peace.

The representative of the Russian Federation said that, if the “regime” that came to power in 2014 had not declared war on everything Russian and had not sent its forces to the east of the country, “we would not be discussing the Ukrainian crisis”. The 2014 coup was stage-managed by Western countries to make Ukraine “anti-Russia”, to arm it and to shift the conflict into a “hot phase”, he said, adding that the interest of the West lies in pitting two fraternal peoples against one another in the “colonial tradition” to prevent the Russian Federation’s re?emergence as a global Power and delay a new multipolar world. He also pointed out that now Moscow has to solve the “special military operation’s” tasks by demilitarizing and “denazifying” the Kyiv “regime” to ensure that “never again there will be a threat to our country and our citizens, stemming from Ukraine”.

Syria’s delegate said regional and international conflicts should be settled through peaceful means and he rejected the negative trend of using the Assembly platform to engage in political polarization. The situation in Ukraine cannot be viewed apart from the security and political situation following the 2014 coup d’état and apart from the policies Ukraine has pursued vis-à-vis the Russian Federation, especially the principle of good neighbourliness. Western and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) policies have inflamed the conflict and exacerbated the humanitarian situation, he said, adding that these States turned a blind eye to the inhumane practices against the residents of Donbass.

Switzerland’s delegate urged the Russian Federation to abandon the elections announced for September in the Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia regions, and voiced concerned over the humanitarian, ecological and economic consequences of the Kakhovka Dam’s destruction, especially on water supply in southern Ukraine. “Let us act to make comprehensive, just and lasting peace in Ukraine a reality,” she emphasized.

Roger
Roger
August 24, 2023 11:24 am

Would that mean placing a “Planned Parenthood” abortion clinic in a Blak community qualifies as genocide?

Not as long as there’s no compulsion involved.

But it’s a despicable movement.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 24, 2023 11:25 am

11 minute ago
‘Outrageous’: Dutton cross over rule on ticks

Peter Dutton will write to the Australian Electoral Commission over what he called a “completely outrageous” situation where a tick will likely be accepted as a formal vote for Yes on a voice referendum ballot paper but a cross will not be accepted for No.

The Opposition Leader urged Anthony Albanese to draft legislation to clarify what was allowed so that one side of the debate on the Indigenous voice to parliament was not favoured over the other.

“It’s completely outrageous, to be honest. I mean, if a tick counts for Yes then a cross should count for No. It’s as clear as that,” Mr Dutton told 2GB radio.

“Otherwise it gives a very, very strong advantage to the Yes case. I just think Australians want a fair vote. They want to be informed. They want to have the detail before them.”

Voters will be asked to write “yes” or “no” on a single question on whether they support the proposed constitutional amendment.

Under AEC rules, a vote is informal if a cross is used on a referendum ballot paper which has only one question “since a cross on its own may mean either ‘yes’ or ‘no’”.

The question voters will be asked in October is: “A proposed law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?”

johanna
johanna
August 24, 2023 11:26 am

calli
Aug 24, 2023 10:44 AM

In other news…I am crutch free, less than a week from surgery.

Told youse I was a tough old biddy. ?

OK, OK, so you are exceptionally strong when it comes to recovering from surgery.

But that’s nothing in today’s world.

What we really need to know is how long it takes you to recover from a microagression, a mean tweet, or misogynistic mansplaining.

Huh? Huh?

They are the real tests for wimmenses today. 🙂

Cassie of Sydney
August 24, 2023 11:27 am

“The arrest warrant has already been issued by the ICC “

The same ICC that constantly targets Israel for alleged “war crimes”. The ICC is a highly politicised international star chamber that’s very selective about which countries it targets for prosecution.

And if Putin is going to be arrested for war crimes, the George W Bush should be arrested for war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama should be arrested for war crimes in Libya and Syria.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 24, 2023 11:28 am

Some reports Wagner forces are heading back to Moscow… civil war can’t be good for Russia (or any of us!)

Wagner in Belarus is down to about 4,000 guys. They handed their heavy weapons in a couple weeks ago, as part of the deal (which Putin has now reneged upon with a S-300 AA missile).

When Mr Prig’s guys went on their romp to Moscow the mainline Russian army watched with interest, but did not join in. I suspect Mr Prig thought they would. When they didn’t the coup attempt fizzled like an egg on hot asphalt.

I think Vlad has pretty much defanged Wagner rather elegantly. The only potential downside is if the Russian Army decides that having their Prez renege on deals, and assassinating guys who fought like tigers for Russia, might not be something they like. Also disappearing Gen. Sergei Surovikin might not’ve gone down well with Russian brass either.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 11:30 am

Tucker Carlson
@TuckerCarlson
Ep. 19 Debate Night with Donald J Trump

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Roger
Roger
August 24, 2023 11:32 am

The ICC is not perfect but in this instance it has a case.

Anyone who denies that is engaging in special pleading.

Tom
Tom
August 24, 2023 11:35 am

Many thanks for the Carlson-Trump inteview link, OldOzzie. He/they always tell me stuff I didn’t know. For example, China is now not only building military installations in Cuba, but it also controls the Panama Canal — thanks to the CCP’s purchase of the Biden family.

Robert Sewell
August 24, 2023 11:36 am

I repeat my earlier post:
What are you going to do when you wake up a day after the referendum and find out it has passed in every state with a majority of votes?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 24, 2023 11:39 am

Peter Dutton will write to the Australian Electoral Commission over what he called a “completely outrageous” situation where a tick will likely be accepted as a formal vote for Yes on a voice referendum ballot paper but a cross will not be accepted for No.

I checked up on this earlier this morning in response to a Tele article. The referendum paper is absolutely clear: either “YES” or “NO” must be written in the box. Anything else being accepted is vote rigging.

Completing the ballot paper (AEC Voice referendum webpage)

That is where you get to if you follow the Completing a Referendum ballot paper link at the Referendum 2023 AEC webpage. I was surprised as I thought the paper would be a fairly standard yes box and a no box, but not so: they want people to literally write either yes or no in one box. I don’t know why they came up with that idea, but I am suspicious there’s something afoot.

lotocoti
lotocoti
August 24, 2023 11:39 am

Remember when the sainted ICC went to town on Poroshenko.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 24, 2023 11:39 am

What are you going to do when you wake up a day after the referendum and find out it has passed in every state with a majority of votes?

Emigrate.

Cassie of Sydney
August 24, 2023 11:40 am

“Many thanks for the Carlson-Trump inteview link, OldOzzie. He/they always tell me stuff I didn’t know. For example, China is now not only building military installations in Cuba, but it also controls the Panama Canal — thanks to the CCP’s purchase of the Biden family.”

China’s presence is now all over the Caribbean. American hegemony is over.

Roger
Roger
August 24, 2023 11:47 am

I don’t know why they came up with that idea, but I am suspicious there’s something afoot.

The republic referendum required a written Yes or No response.

The AEC chief needs to explain himself.

Makka
Makka
August 24, 2023 11:47 am

Russia has always been involved in information operations and subversion, and now they’ve really fine-tuned it. …

Meanwhile, the saintly CIA absolutely never involves itself domestically or internationally in spreading lies, disinformation, media manipulation, illegal civilian surveillance, regime change or any subversive operations whatsoever. Aren’t we all lucky!

calli
calli
August 24, 2023 11:51 am

What we really need to know is how long it takes you to recover from a microagression, a mean tweet, or misogynistic mansplaining.

Chuckle.

Always remember to choose freedom.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
August 24, 2023 11:51 am

China’s presence is now all over the Caribbean. American hegemony is over.

They also have a significant presence in the Bismark Sea

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 11:54 am

Tick will be accepted, cross will not’: AEC boss slammed for confusing Voice referendum rule

The head of the AEC has sparked backlash after suggesting that ticks will be counted as votes for Yes but crosses will not be counted as Nos.

The head of the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) has sparked confusion after suggesting that ticks will be counted as Yes votes but crosses will not be counted as Nos in the Voice referendum.

On referendum day, widely expected to be October 14, Australians will be asked to write either “yes” or “no” in English on the ballot paper to the question, “A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?”

But appearing on Sky News on Wednesday, Australian Electoral Commissioner Tom Rogers was asked by host Tom Connell whether scrutineers would accept other types of marks inside the box.

“It’s a bit simpler than a normal election, it’s a yes or no — are you accepting anything inside the box?” Connell said. “A tick, a cross, a yes, a number one? How broad will you allow this, given the intention of people is going to be pretty clear, you’d think?”

Mr Rogers said it was a “great question” and again urged people to “make sure you write on that box ‘yes’ or ‘no’ in English”.

“Now there are some savings provisions, but I need to be very clear with people – when we look at that, it is likely that a tick will be accepted as a formal vote for yes, but a cross will not be accepted as a formal vote,” he said.

“We’re being very clear with people, part of our education campaign will talk about this, the materials in the polling place so people can look at it. But please, make sure you write ‘yes’ or ‘no’ clearly on the ballot paper in English. That way you can assure yourself that your vote will count.”

Connell suggested that accepting a tick but not a cross might “effectively inflate the ‘yes’ side”.

“The no side might say, well hang on, it’s a lower bar for the yes side,” he said.

“No not at all,” Mr Rogers said.

“That’s why we’re spending a lot of time talking to the community about what constitutes a valid vote. There will be very clear information on the ballot paper, in the polling place. We’re spending a lot of time on that issue and what we’re trying to do is make sure under the legislation, that when the voter’s intention is clear that those votes are included.”

Connell then asked, “What about ‘y’ or ‘n’?”

“Again the legislation says yes or no is a formal vote,” Mr Rogers said.

“There are some things called savings provisions and given the fact we’re trying to give effect to the voter’s intent, it is likely that a ‘y’ or an ‘n’ would be counted under the savings provisions.

But I get nervous even talking about that because then people hear mixed messages. It’s just important to write either yes or no on that ballot paper.”

2GB host Ben Fordham on Thursday slammed Mr Rogers’ comments.

“How bizarre,” he said. “A tick counts as yes but cross does not count as no. That sounds dodgy.

If you’re going to count the ticks, you’ve got to count the crosses, don’t you?

Otherwise the yes camp has an advantage.

Surely he would see the unlevel playing field here. But apparently not.”

Fordham said the AEC “has one job”.

“We’re giving them $365 million to hold the referendum,” he said. “Tom Rogers is on more than the Prime Minister, he earns $600,000 a year. How hard is it to get this right?”

Fordham said it was “ironic” that Mr Rogers was “warning about fake news”.

This week the AEC launched its referendum education campaign, Your Answer Matters, with Mr Rogers telling the ABC the Voice debate had generated the “highest level of mis- and-disinformation we’ve seen online”.

“Well Tom, I think you’ve just added to the confusion,” Fordham said.

Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott later appeared on 2GB, agreeing with the host that “it seems awfully confusing”.

“It does, and it’s quite simple, I would have thought,” Mr Abbott said.

“You either vote yes or you vote no, and I’m certainly urging people to vote no.

But the problem with all of this is that there’s a suspicion that officialdom is trying to make it easier for one side.

It seems that it’s going to be easier to get a yes vote than a no vote if a mere tick is going to count for a yes but you’ve got to specifically write ‘no’ to vote no.

This is the worry all along that there is a lot of official bias in this whole referendum process.”

The former PM agreed with Fordham that “you’ve got to have the same rule for both camps”.

“I would have thought so, otherwise it’s not a level playing field, it’s not a fair fight,” Mr Abbott said.

“If a tick is a yes, why wouldn’t a cross be a no?

And really the only way to get away from this kind of confusion is to make it absolutely crystal clear that you either vote no or you vote yes, but marks of one sort or another that are neither no nor yes don’t count.”

Mr Abbott added, “Unfortunately, I don’t want to be personally critical of the Electoral Commissioner, but nevertheless it does seem that this is causing confusion, and that’s a real problem.”

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese will officially announce the date of the Voice referendum in the must-win state of South Australia next Wednesday and kick off a six-week campaign.

It’s widely anticipated Australians will head to the polls on October 14 to vote in the first referendum in 24 years.

The PM is set to join prominent Voice supporters in Adelaide next week to announce the date in a bid to turn the tide and rally support for the proposed constitutional change.

Cassie of Sydney
August 24, 2023 11:55 am

“Meanwhile, the saintly CIA absolutely never involves itself domestically or internationally in spreading lies, disinformation, media manipulation, illegal civilian surveillance, regime change or any subversive operations whatsoever.

There’s a long, long list of CIA malfeasance.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 24, 2023 11:56 am

What are you going to do when you wake up a day after the referendum and find out it has passed in every state with a majority of votes?

Move to Japan.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 24, 2023 11:56 am

What are you going to do when you wake up a day after the referendum and find out it has passed in every state with a majority of votes?

Demand a return to England, plus compo.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 11:58 am

10:55 AM · Aug 24, 2023

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Roger
Roger
August 24, 2023 11:58 am

“There are some things called savings provisions and given the fact we’re trying to give effect to the voter’s intent, it is likely that a ‘y’ or an ‘n’ would be counted under the savings provisions.

I’d suggest he’s just misapplied the Electoral Act.

If so, he should be sacked.

Dot
Dot
August 24, 2023 11:59 am

Dress up as a Redcoat and demand surrender from the natives?

The Republic referendum polling was accurate so I expect the current polling to be so, the risk is the people who really hate the Voice won’t bother voting out of disgust.

Arky
August 24, 2023 12:00 pm

Andrew Klavan, always a voice for sanity.
(Around 9minutes)
The right must not give in to evil and hatred:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDs4t8CLDyc

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 24, 2023 12:06 pm

What’s your point here? I’m not aware of any Israeli settlers relocating Arabs, or taking Arab children.

Cassie – The great and good loudly condemn the Israeli settler movement (who I support), and decline to criticize the bloodthirsty Palis. That was what I was alluding to. Ditto Mr Milosevic (who I didn’t support). If I were one or the other I’d feel a tad miffed.

On the other thread I said the Tutsis are entirely justified in dominating and controlling the empirically genocidal Hutus. On that basis the Israelis are just as justified. But on that basis Russia isn’t justified since the Ukrainians aren’t genocidal. They just want to live in peace, as far as I can tell.

Sadly now there’s nothing possible but a separation, like the Indian Partition. The Ukrainians hate Russians and the Russians don’t much like Ukrainians. The only thing to be determined is the border between the two ethnicities. In Israel that will also happen, as Israeli Arabs are increasingly misbehaving. When the gloves come off it will be messy, sadly. But for that you can blame the muslims, as Israel is quite willing to accept Arabs as citizens if they behave. But they won’t.

caveman
caveman
August 24, 2023 12:10 pm

What are you going to do when you wake up a day after the referendum and find out it has passed in every state with a majority of votes?

I will be know as the Elder caveman and begin my quest for weperwations and free stuff and learn dot painting.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 24, 2023 12:11 pm

Must admit I have never been a fan of Liz Storer (the smug drawl grates) and her performance on tonight’s Late Debate on Sky confirmed my dislike. In shouty tones she insisted that the Spanish coach’s brief kiss on the lips of the winning team captain amounted to an assault.

In vain James Macpherson tried to get her to understand it was an expression of joy in the moment but was drowned out.

I had to disagree with Liz Storer last night on The Late Show when she said no woman watching would disagree with her take on the Spanish Top Dog Coach’s kiss on the lips (a brief brush not a hearty linger) was a form of sexual assault.

Your feminist reading list is showing, Liz. I completely agree with James McPherson’s very sensible view on this kiss moment and I am definitely a woman. You’ve got some good politics, Liz, and I love your drawl and cynical outspoken takes on things, but there’s something you should know about men, a lesson yet to learn. They are programmed to love and care for women and share spontaneous joy with them, and that sometimes spontaneously shows: learn to accept and if necessary tamper down that part of the human male, but don’t try to shut it down completely.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 24, 2023 12:13 pm

So, two pieces of evidence are an out-of-date UN Report and a CEPA article.

Dover, please. Do a search. There’ve been zillions of articles on Russia stealing Ukrainian children. It is an overt strategy. A very historically Russian one. I’ve seen article after article for 18 months now. Burying your head in the sand or sticking you fingers in your ears will not make it go away.

Ukraine war: The mothers going to get their children back from Russia (BBC, 31 May)

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 12:13 pm

‘Let’s not panic’: Victorian business head responds to businesses fleeing Victoria

Victoria is the only Aussie state to experience a drop in registered businesses, but industry heads are pleading with everyone not to panic.

The head of a prominent industry group has advised against overreacting to startling recent data indicating a significant number of businesses leaving Victoria.

According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS), Victoria was the only state to experience a decrease in the number of registered businesses during the last fiscal year.

In the year 2022/23, there was a decrease of 7606 registered businesses compared to the previous year. However, New South Wales and Queensland experienced an increase of 11,031 and 8147 registered enterprises, respectively.

In response to the figures, the opposition’s shadow treasurer, Brad Rowswell, said it came as no surprise, considering the harsh economic climate during the Labor administration.

“It’s little wonder businesses are turning their backs on Victoria given the punishing conditions under Labor,” he said.

“The Andrews government has sent Victoria broke and constantly resorts to raising taxes and charges, which is driving businesses from this state.”

ANZ’s CEO Shayne Elliot recently stated that doing business in Victoria was particularly challenging.

In July, he expressed that it was becoming more difficult for companies in Victoria, citing the state’s payroll tax rate of 4.85 per cent.

“It’s one of the toughest places. Look at the payroll tax, why are we taxing something that’s good … we are taxing employers for giving people jobs,” he told 3AW.

“Those costs ultimately get paid for by consumers. That’s the way it works. So you don’t want to be an expensive place doing business.

“I wouldn’t want to be claiming that crown, and unfortunately, Victoria at the moment is claiming the crown of one of the more expensive places to do business in Australia.”

And it’s not only businesses but also skilled workers, as it was reported earlier this year that Victoria had been haemorrhaging tradies to the north.

Industry experts claimed Victoria lost over 500 tradies to Queensland over the last two years, while 661 tradespeople moved to Queensland from New South Wales in 2022.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 24, 2023 12:17 pm

I will be know as the Elder caveman and begin my quest for weperwations and free stuff and learn dot painting.

lol. So many ‘elders’ will be ’emergent’ it will be hard to keep track of them all.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 12:21 pm

Tucker Carlson
@TuckerCarlson
Ep. 19 Debate Night with Donald J Trump

10:55 AM · Aug 24, 2023

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Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 24, 2023 12:22 pm

Israel is quite willing to accept Arabs as citizens if they behave

That’s the thing that impressed me most about Israel. It’s a democracy. Israel would also like to settle a territorial division and work together with a Palestinian State for mutual economic benefits.

The Palis don’t want to do anything like that and they are ruled by theocratic thugs.

Arky
August 24, 2023 12:26 pm

Nevertheless, we should all agree that one does not refuse to aid an attacked nation based on the amount of corruption in that nation. Especially when that nation is no more corrupt than one’s own — and considerably freer than the attacking nation.

..
– Dennis Prager. June 2023

https://nsjonline.com/article/2023/06/prager-on-the-argument-that-we-shouldnt-be-aiding-a-corrupt-country/

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 12:30 pm

The world’s most precious commodity is the size of an envelope

Ancient civilisations hunted for spice; in the 20th century we fought wars for oil. In 2023, the world’s most precious commodity is an envelope-sized computer chip.

The H100, a rectangular black maze of circuits with a shimmering microchip at its centre, is a niche piece of equipment even by Silicon Valley’s nerdy standards.

Its $US40,000 ($62,380) price tag is exceptional for a computer processor, although even if you have the cash, good luck getting your hands on one. The half a million H100s expected to be made this year are already sold out.

Not that one chip would do you much good. Last week, it emerged that Saudi Arabia had ordered some 3000 H100s.

Almost all of the chips are being snapped up by the richest companies in the world: Microsoft, Amazon, Google and Mark Zuckerberg’s Meta are believed to account for the vast majority of demand.

The H100’s position as the key to the AI boom is really a happy accident. For most of its 30 years, Nvidia has produced chips, known as GPUs, used to power 3D graphics in video games.

Traditional computer processors, known as CPUs, can perform complicated calculations, but generally only one at a time. In contrast GPUs can carry out hundreds of simple calculations at once.

That made them adept at tasks like modifying colourful pixels in a video game. What the company did not count on was that its chips would also be perfect for the rapid data processing required for artificial intelligence.

In 2012, Google researchers used 16,000 CPUs to train rudimentary AI software that could recognise pictures of cats. A year later, researchers achieved the same results with four GPUs.

An Order-of-Magnitude Leap for Accelerated Computing

Tap into unprecedented performance, scalability, and security for every workload with the NVIDIA® H100 Tensor Core GPU. With the NVIDIA NVLink® Switch System, up to 256 H100 GPUs can be connected to accelerate exascale workloads. The GPU also includes a dedicated Transformer Engine to solve trillion-parameter language models. The H100’s combined technology innovations can speed up large language models (LLMs) by an incredible 30X over the previous generation to deliver industry-leading conversational AI.

Read NVIDIA H100 Datasheet

Read NVIDIA H100 PCIe Product Brief

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 24, 2023 12:34 pm

LOL, two stories I saw today.

Prime Minister urges business leaders to back renewables transition (Sky, 24 Aug)

The Prime Minister is calling on business leaders to help transition to renewables. The intergenerational report, to be released today, reveals demand for Australian coal will decline as the world’s appetite for lithium, nickel, and zinc skyrockets.

There’s More Coal Being Shipped By Sea Than Ever Before (22 Aug)

Clean, green renewables are on the rise. Coal, the dirtiest fuel, is dying. Or so the energy transition line goes. The reality, according to the International Energy Agency (IEA), is that global coal production, consumption, and seaborne volumes are all at all-time highs in 2023.

I don’t know who wrote the alleged “intergenerational report” but I have my suspicions. Ponds? Grattan? Their fingerprints are all over this rubbish.

Dot
Dot
August 24, 2023 12:37 pm

From the promotional email I get from Cigar Hut:

But first some sobering news from the tax man. As most of you know the excise on tobacco goes up twice a year and since COVID began the increases have been small due to it being tied to the average weekly ordinary time earnings. Consequently we’ve absorbed the last four increases in duty, however, on 1st September the increase will be a significant 10.7% and we will be forced to raise our prices. As always, we are committed to providing you the most competitive prices in Australia and as with previous years we will not impose any limits on purchases from now until the tax increase.

10.7%. Outrageous!

Lysander
Lysander
August 24, 2023 12:38 pm

You say yes
I say no
You say stop
and I say I don’t know!

Oh!

You say good Thai, and I say Elbow.

johanna
johanna
August 24, 2023 12:41 pm

‘tamper down’? We are so lucky to have a genoowine interlecshural among us.

And, an unsolicited kiss on the lips, especially in a forum where the deserved smack in the chops in not an option, is way out of line.

Mr Abbott added, “Unfortunately, I don’t want to be personally critical of the Electoral Commissioner, but nevertheless it does seem that this is causing confusion, and that’s a real problem.”

And this is why Abbott failed to deliver again and again. The Electoral Commissioner, who is paid more than the PM, should know more about the electoral system than anyone except, perhaps, obscure scholars.

He absolutely needs to be held to account personally for his public statements. If he is not accountable, who is?

Abbott seems to have learned nothing from his time in politics.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 24, 2023 12:42 pm

Yes, we’re supposed to conclude that removing children from a war zone and having ways for parents to retrieve their children from Russian authorities, as the evidence suggests, constitutes an attempted genocide.

Yep, it does. I suggest you look at item “(e)” which Roger quoted.

Fresh Details on Russia’s Forcible Transfer of Ukrainian Children (25 May)

How many articles do you want?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 24, 2023 12:45 pm

Lifestyle

‘I leave my daughter in economy while I fly business’

A frequent flying parent says that no amount of judgement will change her travel habit: flying business class while leaving her kid in economy.
Thomas Bywater
2 min read
August 22, 2023 – 10:18AM

Andrea Dixon says she has had strangers call her a ‘bad mum’ for not paying for her daughter’s upgrade, while she enjoys the high life in business class.

“I feel the judgement, but I don’t let it get to me,” she says.

The Australian journalist told Insider that the perks are worth the “side eye” from fellow travellers, and she shares the benefits with her child.

She once left her 16-year-old daughter for 13 hours in the economy cabin without a worry – because there are plenty of business-class perks both of them can share without forking out on two fares.

Dixon says this is not bad parenting but good economics.

“I can share a number of business-class perks with my kid without having to pay for two business-class tickets,” she explains.

I know one couple – the children and the “Au Pair” fly Economy, while the parents fly Business Class.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 24, 2023 12:47 pm

Gun control news.

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews being pushed by Opposition to outlaw machetes following spate of recent attacks (Sky, 24 Aug)

Oh wait, not guns. So vaunted gun control hasn’t fixed the issue? That’s amazing. Perhaps we need to ban kitchen knives, axes and baseball bats as well then. Can’t be too careful.

Tom
Tom
August 24, 2023 12:47 pm

My newest favourite show on TV is called Outback Farm – a spinoff of my previous favourite show Outback Truckers – where a young couple, the Haighs from Brisbane, sell their house and borrow around half a million bucks to fit out a bankrupt former fruit farm at Ti Tree, 200 kms north of Alice Springs.

It’s an ingenius concept: the Haighs use a little-known American farming technology to irrigate the desert from bore water, using “walking” sprays. Until now, NT farmers have had to buy hay from SA-based trucking companies who have to haul it 2000 kms to the Top End. The Ti Tree growing location is 1000 kms closer and that comes straight off the freight bill. The Haighs say they pre-sold their first hay crop before it had finished growing.

And you just have to add water to that red ochre soil and anything grows — as you can see after rain anywhere in the Red Centre.

The next ep is 8.30pm next Tuesday on 7Mate or Foxtel channel 157 (which replay it on Wednesday afternoons).

cohenite
August 24, 2023 12:52 pm

Abbott seems to have learned nothing from his time in politics.

Yeah; he has balls the size of peas.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 12:53 pm

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin’s jet was ‘taken down by bomb hidden in wine crate’, sources say

The Wagner boss and Putin enemy is rumoured to have been taken down by a bomb hidden on board his plane, sources say.

However, sources say there could have been a bomb on board Prigozhin’s jet – which inevitably took it down.

One source said a consignment of “expensive wine” was loaded on-board the aircraft minutes before takeoff.

And one theory is that explosives were concealed in the wine packaging.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 24, 2023 12:56 pm

Two guys and twenty women…

Simulations suggest only 22 people are required to start a colony on Mars (Phys.org, 23 Aug)

A team of computational social scientists at George Mason University has found via simulations that 22 people is the minimum number needed to start a human colony on Mars. The group has posted a paper describing their simulation on the arXiv preprint server.

Kubrick would love this.

calli
calli
August 24, 2023 12:56 pm

Mmmyes…I’ve had the joy of flying EC with abandoned and undisciplined children whilst their parents sit up front enjoying endless refills.

These children are, essentially, unaccompanied minors for the duration of the flight. This usually attracts an additional charge from the airlines.

The delinquent mother deserves more than “side eye” from passengers. In a just world the airline policy should be a supervision fee equal to the BC price difference.

Muddy
Muddy
August 24, 2023 12:56 pm

I’m presently re-reading Nikolaus Wachsmann’s “KL: A history of the N@zi Concentration Camps.” It is both sobering and surreal.

Our species is a strange one: capable of both self-sacrifice & extreme, animal-like brutality.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 12:56 pm

Tucker Carlson
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Ep. 19 Debate Night with Donald J Trump

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Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 24, 2023 12:59 pm

Very unclear instructions re the voting paper will rig the Referendum for the Yes vote.

A lot of ‘no’ voters will simply put a cross or even a tick in the no box.

Tick the box for the one you want is a fairly common instruction. So is mark and X in the box of your choice.

The only invalid votes should be those that put something in BOTH boxes.

Any put in either box that ignores marking the other box should be VALID.

That’s the only logical and fair way to deal with the ‘box’ idea, because normal voting requires nothing written and a number to be placed in a box. So far I’ve not consulted anything re this, and I’m wondering if I put a tick in the box and write No beside it, will that be a valid vote, and if I put a cross in the box and write No beside it would that be a valid vote; all of this provided I do nothing about the Yes box. Is a tick alone OK for No when my impulse is to X the box as I do for many computer read forms.

And what about dyslexics who write oN?

What a pigs’ breakfast.

Diogenes
Diogenes
August 24, 2023 1:04 pm

since the Ukrainians aren’t genocidal.

They are quite happy to perform cultural genocide. Not only Russia, but Hungary and Poland have been complaining about this for years.

cohenite
August 24, 2023 1:05 pm

Pence rivals back his Jan. 6 actions, distance themselves from Trump’s rigged election claims

Really there’s Trump and various mounds of shit running for the GOP.

Tom
Tom
August 24, 2023 1:09 pm

Wow. Australia’s best political analyst Simon Benson (Paywallian):

The most striking feature of the 6th intergenerational report released today by the Treasurer is a graph confirming the federal budget from next year will drop back into deficit and remain there for the next 40 years.
This is the demonstrable reality of a future economy that will not be able to sustain the demand for spending on public services. Unless something changes.
The great clash is coming, with an ageing population, shrinking revenue base, geo-strategic risk and demand for services provided by the state that will undermine the integrity of the budget for the next 40 years.
Australia’s future prosperity, our standard of living, and position in the world will depend on the decisions government makes today. Both economically and strategically.
Jim Chalmers talks of a fourth industrial revolution driven by artificial intelligence and robots – technological innovation that will either propel the nation into the future or consign Australians to a lower standard of living into the second half of the century.
None of this is new.
It is not the first IGR to reveal the structural decay of the budget amid discussion of transformative remedies for the economy.
The 2021 report made similar predictions.
Five years earlier, Malcolm Turnbull was criticised for daring to focus on innovation as the solution, spending the final day of the 2016 election campaign watching robots make krill oil.
Chalmers is talking the same language, but with a greater sense of urgency.
He warns that this fourth great transformation is now upon us, the “turbulent twenties” and if not managed well, will leave more people behind than it lifts up.
A resources revolution in critical minerals and an energy transformation are the centre of Australia’s response under Labor’s plan.
The political challenge is that Chalmers is asking the electorate to look to the future as it struggles to pay today’s bills.
The Opposition has unsurprisingly seized on the politics of this, with the potent argument that the current cost of living crunch was forcing people to think 40 days ahead rather than 40 years.
But Chalmers wants people to believe that Labor has all this in hand. That it has its hands on the levers of today’s problems but with a weather eye on the storm clouds on the horizon.
In response to the release of the IGR, which confirms what is already known about the demographic and economic trajectory the nation is on, Chalmers talks to a blueprint for eight reform priorities.
All are built around Labor’s existing political and economic agenda.
Addressing the here and now, Chalmers reaffirms the first priority was dealing with the inflation battle, which is far from won.
He maintains that Labor is committed to spending restraint, as a means to addressing the fiscal imbalance that is hurtling toward the budget over coming years.
With cataclysmic predictions of the economic impact of climate change featuring for the first time in an IGR, Chalmers pins the great energy transformation on Labor’s net zero plan.
The other priorities focus on reskilling for a future workforce, decarbonising the economy, a more protectionist position on industry policy, critical minerals, driving new capital streams including the leveraging of superannuation funds, competition reform and reform of the nation’s economic institutions.
Chalmers repeats the warning that the nation is at a generational fork in the road that will define its future at a time when Australia is more exposed to the “whims of the world”.
But it is the solutions to the challenges that Labor has written into the IGR that will be politically challenged.
And at the heart of this contest remains the great productivity decline which will largely determine whether Australia succeeds or fails.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 24, 2023 1:10 pm

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin’s jet was ‘taken down by bomb hidden in wine crate’, sources say

No, an AA missile, probably a S-300. The aircraft was on a flight plan and they knew exactly who was on it.

A Russian government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told The Moscow Times that they believe neither the crash nor its location were a coincidence.

“Not far from the president’s residence in Valdai, there are four divisions of S-300 PMU1s [missile defense systems] guarding the sky,” the source said. “On June 24 — a march on Moscow. And on August 24 — two missiles. It all adds up.”

“Look how it was falling — it was shot down just like that. The plane just fell out of the sky,” the source added.

It’s obvious. The bomb story is silly dissimulation.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 24, 2023 1:14 pm

LIzzie

A lot of ‘no’ voters will simply put a cross or even a tick in the no box.

There is no “NO” box, there is only one box.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 24, 2023 1:19 pm

since the Ukrainians aren’t genocidal.

They are quite happy to perform cultural genocide.

Ok, yes, that’s true Diogenes. The Ukrainians want ethnic Russians out of their country and vice versa: culture, religion and everything. A Partition, as I said. Although based on Roger’s five points that wouldn’t technically be genocide. Near enough for me though.

Roger
Roger
August 24, 2023 1:20 pm
Vicki
Vicki
August 24, 2023 1:23 pm

There is no “NO” box, there is only one box.

“Please explain!”

Robert Sewell
August 24, 2023 1:25 pm

Crossie

Aug 24, 2023 10:15 AM
Just this morning he was on RSN saying ‘If Russia stops fighting the war stops; if Ukraine stops it disappears.’

For many, that sums it up. Not for others.

It’s amazing how some people cannot see the obvious.

It’s very much like the Israeli dilemma:
If Islam disarms, there will be peace. If Israel disarms there will be a second Holocaust.

Cassie of Sydney
August 24, 2023 1:26 pm

“Unfortunately, I don’t want to be personally critical of the Electoral Commissioner,”

Abbott, always being the nice guy. And this comes on the heels of David Littleproud gallantly standing up to defend Sleazy’s son, and then a day later, Littleproud joining in the chorus denouncing Gary Johns for speaking truth about indigenous issues.

Quite frankly, I’m sick and tired of “nice guys”.

Roger
Roger
August 24, 2023 1:26 pm

Although based on Roger’s five points…

Not my five points, but those of international law, ratified by 123+ countries.

Alleged war crimes by Ukrainians are also being investigated under the auspices of the ICC, btw.

Most of this won’t be settled until after the war because of the difficulties of acquiring the forensic evidence at present.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 1:27 pm

Vicki
Aug 24, 2023 1:23 PM

There is no “NO” box, there is only one box.

“Please explain!”

https://www.aec.gov.au/referendums/vote/completing-the-ballot-paper.html

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 24, 2023 1:32 pm

A bunch of very very very expensive low cost homes.

Better than net zero? Making the promised 1.2 million homes climate-friendly would transform construction in Australia (via Phys.org, 23 Aug)

The national cabinet has announced plans to build an extra 1.2 million homes by July 1 2029. The construction, operation and maintenance of buildings accounts for almost a quarter of greenhouse gas emissions in Australia. If these new homes are built in a business-as-usual fashion, they will significantly increase national greenhouse gas emissions.

What if we committed to building homes that produced net negative emissions? Put simply, such buildings remove more carbon dioxide (CO?) from the atmosphere than are emitted during their lifecycle. This includes emissions from producing building materials and construction through to the end of building life and demolition.

Building net-negative-emissions homes can be done. Examples have already been built overseas.

As I recall they were supposed to be “low cost housing”. Suddenly they’re now supposed to be Gaia’s CO2 extractors. Here’re who the authors are:

Jason Alexandra
Senior Research Fellow, Institute for Climate, Energy and Disaster Solutions, Australian National University

Kate Lawrence
Climate Program Manager, Institute of Climate, Energy and Disaster Solutions, Australian National University

Mark Howden
Director, ANU Institute for Climate, Energy and Disaster Solutions, Australian National University

ANU weenies. Betcha none of them has ever lived as a houso.

Vicki
Vicki
August 24, 2023 1:33 pm

The other priorities focus on reskilling for a future workforce, decarbonising the economy, a more protectionist position on industry policy, critical minerals, driving new capital streams including the leveraging of superannuation funds, competition reform and reform of the nation’s economic institutions.

All pie-in-the-sky stuff.
– “reselling the workforce” – for what, in particular?
– “decarbonising the economy” – de-energising the economy? oh, that will work…
– “protectionist position on industry” – exactly what are they protecting? the unions?
– “critical minerals” – sure, but what in particular are they going to do? use them? well that would be innovative!
-“leveraging superannuation”? aka pillage the retirees?

Maybe they should start thinking about what happens when our customers start stop paying the bills/go to war with us/ find alternate markets – after all, what industries do we have other than selling all of our resources????

Vicki
Vicki
August 24, 2023 1:35 pm

“reselling” the workforce? “reselling”!

– But maybe Chalmers would like to hire us out to China…who knows?

Rosie
Rosie
August 24, 2023 1:35 pm

I know one couple – the children and the “Au Pair” fly Economy, while the parents fly Business Class.

What’s wrong with that?

Vicki
Vicki
August 24, 2023 1:37 pm
calli
calli
August 24, 2023 1:40 pm

The other priorities focus on reskilling for a future workforce, decarbonising the economy, a more protectionist position on industry policy, critical minerals, driving new capital streams including the leveraging of superannuation funds, competition reform and reform of the nation’s economic institutions.

Meaningless bureaucrobabble.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 1:44 pm

The Niger coup’s lessons for the US and France

Two powers tread carefully, for fear they will drive the sub-Saharan state into Russian arms

SYLVIE KAUFFMANN

The writer is editorial director and a columnist at Le Monde

Don’t call it a coup or a putsch: it is an “extra-constitutional attempt to seize power”. And the military officers who deposed and sequestered the democratically elected president are not putschists nor a junta, but a “group asserting power”.

The extraordinary lengths to which the US state department has gone to avoid correctly naming what happened on July 26 in Niger reflects the degree of embarrassment that this new turmoil in sub-Saharan Africa has caused western strategists.

It also points to the differences in how the two main western security actors in the region, the French and the Americans, have approached the issue. President Emmanuel Macron, telling it like it is, spoke of “a perfectly illegitimate coup d’état” — and then went into a rare silence, while Washington and some African states tried to engage into negotiations with “the group asserting power” in Niamey.

Still unresolved after almost a month, the situation in Niger is a terrible blow to western efforts to stabilise this part of Africa.

It is also a wake-up call regarding the evolving geopolitical reality of a continent which has now attracted a multiplicity of players. 

Not only has the activity of jihadist groups dramatically increased, but Niger is the fourth West African country, after Guinea, Mali and Burkina Faso, whose leader has been overthrown by a military coup in the past three years. Paradoxically, Niger was one of the few states where the jihadist offensive was actually losing strength over the past year. Not even this success story has prevented the political instability from spreading.

Who lost Niger?

The coup is probably the last nail in the coffin of French policy in west Africa.

Wary of its colonial burden, Macron has indeed offered a new, more balanced vision for the region, but France’s permanent military presence proved a powerful counterargument.

Kicked out of Mali last year, French forces thought they had found a safe haven in neighbouring Niger, led by a friendly president, Mohamed Bazoum.

Now, its new rulers have asked Paris to withdraw its 1,500 troops.

For the Americans, who maintain two important military bases and 1,100 men in Niger, the lesson is almost as bitter.

As acting deputy secretary of state, Victoria Nuland, found out on August 7 in Niamey, trying to negotiate a return to constitutional order with a brigadier general and three colonels is not an enviable task.

Particularly when the general, Moussa Salaou Barmou, who graduated with a masters in strategic security studies from National Defense University in Washington, was seen by the Pentagon as its best partner in the fight against Islamist extremism.

The conversation, Nuland said, was “extremely frank and at times quite difficult”. 

The Biden administration now finds itself in a quandary: either it sticks to its professed democratic values, which makes it difficult to maintain military bases in co-operation with an illegitimate junta, or it decides that the deteriorating security situation, threatening even coastal states of west Africa such as Ivory Coast, is paramount and worth some pragmatic concessions.

So far, Washington has been hoping for a diplomatic solution that would allow its forces to stay in landlocked Niger in exchange for a pledge to some sort of democratic transition.

This explains the luxury of precautions taken by not calling a coup a coup, to avoid having to cancel US security assistance.

Another argument plays in favour of the pragmatic approach: the Russian factor.

Macron has learnt the hard way how Vladimir Putin, while pretending to know nothing about the role played by Wagner mercenaries in Africa, has used this tool, as well as disinformation campaigns, to spread Moscow’s influence. 

The extent to which Russia, burdened by its war in Ukraine, can redirect resources to a new operation in Africa may be doubtful, as is the real ability of Wagner’s fabled leader Yevgeny Prigozhin to redeploy forces on the continent.

The reduced number of African heads of state who chose to attend the second Russia-Africa summit last month in Saint Petersburg — 17, compared with 43 for the first summit in Sochi in 2019 — is also a sign of Putin’s declining stardom.

But African states, courted by China, Turkey and others, want their claim to sovereignty to be recognised. Their current heft on the global scene cannot be ignored.

Nor can hard questions be avoided on the disastrous record of democratic governance in sub-Saharan nations. Niger, one of the poorest countries in Africa, twice the size of Texas, may be partly covered by desert. It still provides fertile ground for great power competition.

Roger
Roger
August 24, 2023 1:47 pm

Meaningless bureaucrobabble.

The devil is in the detail that will follow.

E.g.: driving new capital streams including the leveraging of superannuation funds”

Dot
Dot
August 24, 2023 1:47 pm

The national cabinet has announced plans to build an extra 1.2 million homes by July 1 2029.

Um

That will cost a minimum of 360 billion on materials ALONE, over five years.

God forbid the admin costs, land acquisition, site prep, landscaping, labour, site clean up, inspections & ancillary costs to lease or dispose of the dwellings.

These people are just too dumb to understand economics.

The average proportion of tax on new dwellings in Sydney is between 40% to 45%.

So the tax RATE can be as high as 86%, it’s insane.

Chalmers, Bowen & Albanese are the dimmest bulbs, only Wayne Swan could out do them.

At least Hawke would have laughed it off and Keating would have thrown a stapler or ashtray in the Cabinet room at these utter deadshits.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 1:48 pm

NAPLAN results expose decades-old problem in Victorian schools

Victoria’s underwhelming NAPLAN results for grammar and punctuation have exposed a decades-old issue for the state’s schools – teachers don’t understand the concepts they’re teaching because they were never taught properly themselves.

More than 30 per cent of the state’s students were below proficiency levels in the subjects in NAPLAN results released on Wednesday. It was worst at year 3 (40.1 per cent) but showed little improvement by year 9 (39.5 per cent).

Education academics say the results highlight the erosion of explicit instruction in Victorian schools from the 1970s, meaning many of today’s teachers were not taught the fundamental skills of grammar and punctuation.

Pamela Snow, professor of cognitive psychology and co-director of La Trobe University’s Science of Language and Reading Lab, said the lack of instruction in schools and universities had left many teachers struggling with grammar in the classroom.

“They’ve really got to go right back to go and build their own knowledge,” she said.

“You can’t teach what you do not know.”

Kneel
Kneel
August 24, 2023 1:50 pm

“https://www.aec.gov.au/referendums/vote/completing-the-ballot-paper.html”

This seems completely clear and unambiguous – write anything other then “YES” or “NO” in the box and your vote will be informal.
Accepting even “Y” or “N”, let alone a tick or a cross would mean the instructions are being ignored – that is unacceptable.
Accepting a tick as a “yes” but not a cross as a “no” is totally unacceptable.
Follow the damned instructions!

Dot
Dot
August 24, 2023 1:51 pm

– “critical minerals” – sure, but what in particular are they going to do? use them? well that would be innovative!

They’re all critical. Think of the metals used in the manufacture of a plane (telemetry, avionics, touch screens, engines [fans, compressors, fuel injectors, exhaust cone], cowlings, wings, fuselage, landing gear, wheels), the components, the tools used to make the plane and the metals used to build the plant to manufacture the fuel for the place.

These people have never had a real job.

Roger
Roger
August 24, 2023 1:54 pm

The national cabinet has announced plans to build an extra 1.2 million homes by July 1 2029.

Um

That will cost a minimum of 360 billion on materials ALONE, over five years.

Even the ABC and Chris Richardson don’t believe it.

Even with state governments over-riding local planning objections to expedite medium to high density housing.

One generation to fix, at least, and that’s only if the federal government gets immigration under control.

calli
calli
August 24, 2023 1:55 pm

Yes, Roger. That little line item didn’t escape me.

Vicki
Vicki
August 24, 2023 1:57 pm

My newest favourite show on TV is called Outback Farm – a spinoff of my previous favourite show Outback Truckers – where a young couple, the Haighs from Brisbane, sell their house and borrow around half a million bucks to fit out a bankrupt former fruit farm at Ti Tree, 200 kms north of Alice Springs.

It’s an ingenius concept: the Haighs use a little-known American farming technology to irrigate the desert from bore water, using “walking” sprays.

I wish them luck. Many, many hopeful tamers of Australia’s hostile interior have come to grief. On the other hand, the Israelis were the first to successfuly farm the desert using their pioneering techniques in drip irrigation.

Our house gardens and grounds survive on drip irrigation from our bore, but their growth has been heavily supported by mulching from old hay. Most vegetation just doesn’t like bore water, but the mulch tends to filter the salt and minerals.

Megan
Megan
August 24, 2023 1:58 pm

You can’t teach what you do not know.”

So, it’s taken 50 years for someone to recognise the bleeding obvious.

P
P
August 24, 2023 2:00 pm

Can you use a tick or a cross to vote in a referendum?

Please don’t.

The formal voting instructions for the referendum are to clearly write yes or no, in full, in English. This will be part of our campaign advertising, it is on our website, in the guides delivered to all Australian households, it will be the instruction on the ballot paper and will be re-enforced by our polling officials when people are issued with their ballot paper.

We expect the vast, vast majority of voters to follow those instructions.

The formality rules for referendums has been the same for a long period of time – this includes ‘savings provisions’ (the ability to count a vote where the instructions have not been followed but the voter’s intention is clear). Savings provisions exist for federal elections as well. The AEC does not have any discretion to simply ignore savings provisions. They are a long-standing legislative requirement. Since 1988 the AEC has followed legal advice regarding the application of savings provisions to ‘ticks’ and ‘crosses’ on referendum ballot papers (over 30 years and multiple referendums). This is not new.

The issue with a cross is that on many forms people in Australia use in daily life, and in some other languages, a cross represents a ‘check mark’ indicating yes – it is therefore open to interpretation as to whether the cross denotes approval or disapproval. A clear ‘tick’ can be interpreted as denoting approval for the proposal.

A clear ‘y’ or ‘n’ can indicate the voter’s intent – however if the handwriting is unclear it could risk an informal vote. This is why the Commissioner, and the AEC will be very clear and regular with our communication that people need to write the word ‘yes’ or ‘no’ in English, in full.

Use of symbols
While this tool does not recognise symbols, it is best to follow the instructions on the ballot paper and write a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ vote. Don’t leave your vote up to chance or to be potentially questioned. Make your vote count.

Roger
Roger
August 24, 2023 2:02 pm

if you think it does you have no grounds for denying that we here committed genocide.

Who’s “we”, Kemosabe?

Vicki
Vicki
August 24, 2023 2:02 pm

Think of the metals used in the manufacture of a plane (telemetry, avionics, touch screens, engines [fans, compressors, fuel injectors, exhaust cone], cowlings, wings, fuselage, landing gear, wheels), the components, the tools used to make the plane and the metals used to build the plant to manufacture the fuel for the place.

You mean restoring MANUFACTURING in this country??? Now, that would be innovative!!! But somehow “manufacturing” isn’t part of our Treasurer’s vocabulary.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 24, 2023 2:05 pm

Follow the damned instructions!

Far too advanced a concept for some.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 24, 2023 2:08 pm

Taking a lunch break half way through the Carson interview with Trump.

Trump speaks as Pauline does, in simple terms to ordinary people about things that concern them. But he also hits out well at Biden and Harris (his imitative take on Harris sing-songing rhythmically on about school buses is an absolute hoot). What interested me in particular was his condemning of the sale of the Panama Canal for nothing and the way in which an American-made asset is now subject to foreign, even Chinese, control. He’s got his eye on things that should never have happened, and that will reassure people that he’s alert to whatever scams are going on today. Including in the Ukraine/Russia situation. He’s still on top of his game, and less aggressive in manner in this interview, more the elder statesman, muted down to seriousness and good intent. Will watch the other half after lunch.

Roger
Roger
August 24, 2023 2:11 pm

The British and the colonial governments? But not contemporary Australians.

You’d also need evidence of the conspiracy and the intention being formed, not just the acts.

Iirc, a complaint by some indigenous folk against Australia in the 1990s failed in the international court.

What happened in Tasmania in the 1820/30s might qualify, but is now historic.

calli
calli
August 24, 2023 2:11 pm

Since we appear to find ourselves gazing at a time 40 years hence, presumably to prise our eyes away from the next forty days, or even forty weeks…

it might be a good time to give our old pal Screwtape another run.

“I live in the Managerial Age, in a world of “Admin.” The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid “dens of crime” that Dickens loved to paint. It is not done even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern.”

[From the Preface]”
? C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters

These smooth types gloss over genuine present difficulties and concentrate on hazy projections. While you’re distracted, they’ll slip their hands into your pockets, or worse, a shiv between the shoulder blades, all the while with a benevolent expression fixed on their faces.

Vicki
Vicki
August 24, 2023 2:12 pm

The issue with a cross is that on many forms people in Australia use in daily life, and in some other languages, a cross represents a ‘check mark’ indicating yes

If that is the case, “y” and “n” & a tick or a cross – should nullify the vote.

It is very clear that the rejection of a cross (x) is a deliberate ploy to eliminate many “No” votes.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 24, 2023 2:12 pm

Well, if them’s the instructions, I will ensure I follow them.

Thousands won’t though, and there should be oversight of what happens then.

Crossie
Crossie
August 24, 2023 2:12 pm

calli
Aug 24, 2023 10:44 AM
In other news…I am crutch free, less than a week from surgery.

Fabulous news!

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 24, 2023 2:12 pm

Pocock calls out ‘disingenuous’ debate on the voice

Politicians who tell voters there is not enough detail on the Indigenous voice are deeply troubling Senator David Pocock, who has described them as “disingenuous” and “disrespectful”.

The independent senator told a NSW regional forum politicians know the parliament will legislate the detail of the voice if a ‘yes’ vote succeeds at the referendum.

“It’s so disingenuous and deeply troubling to have politicians who are experienced, who know how things work in parliament, coming out saying that we don’t have detail,” Senator Pocock told an audience of about 100 people in Orange, in central western NSW, on Wednesday night.

“The parliament will decide on the detail – they will be involved in those discussions.”

Pocock may not be disingenuous, only stupid.

Presumably he has a very clear understanding of how the Uluru Statement is going to work out in practice. After all, he’s in Parliament and he presumably will be supporting Uncle Luigi’s ‘implementation in full’ – so, Voice as a segue to Treaty/Makarrata, leading to self-determination and self-government – as per the Holy One Pager and amplified in the explanatory notes.

Whatever is that going to look like?
A parallel Whitefella parliament?
Some sort of Mad Max turnout with 300 local parliaments?
A separate legal system? How’s that going to operate?

Shirley he’s got some sort of idea about what he’s going to decide…

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 24, 2023 2:21 pm

It is always so grating to hear politicians blathering on about things like nyukyular and ruinables, telling us that there are consensuses and so they are tilting grounds of one in favour of the other.

Why would Dim Chalmers even need to comment on nyukyular as having no future. If it is intrinsically not viable then there is no need for him to do anything – the private sector does not blow its dosh on boondoggles. It is their own money they will be losing.

Boondoggles only happen when government money (as in ‘other peoples money’) is injected. And that is the only reason ruinables are being built at all.

But honestly, him, Albo, Bowen – what do they really know about these things? Or, more realistically, is there any reason to think they possess the skill to make sense of what they are told and to discern when someone is trying to play them – how to listen to an expert?

This sort of thing was behind the Covid response debacle. Politicians joyfully abdicated their responsibilities and handed power over to “experts”, and paraded in front of the cameras pretending that uncritically going along with whatever the experts say is the highest plane to which a leader could rise.

And look where that got us.

calli
calli
August 24, 2023 2:23 pm

“The parliament will decide on the detail – they will be involved in those discussions.”

Shorter Pocock…

Trust us. We’re politicians.

Seriously.

johanna
johanna
August 24, 2023 2:23 pm

Got myself a home blood pressure kit under instructions from my Brahmin Princess doctor (who can be very scary, but is good at her job.)

I don’t understand the whole blood pressure thing, and would be grateful if Lizzie could spare me her views as a noted and heavily accredited epidemiologist. But if others, not burdened by the heavy chains of expertise in a totally unrelated area, or who have experience, chimed in, that would be good.

My understanding is that like many indicators in modern medicine, the number of people ‘of concern’ has been increased by shifting the metrics. For BP, the top number used to be 160, now it’s 140.

Mine fluctuates from 126 (just now) to 178 (at the surgery the other day.)

Relax, critics, I’m not laying my life on the line here based on comments. But knowing what I know about the cholesterol scam, I suspect that a lot of the conventional wisdom about the chemistry is simply wrong. That’s not to take away from the surgeons, who do great work. We’re talking about causes here.

calli
calli
August 24, 2023 2:29 pm

This is the same guy who threw a hissy and said he wouldn’t marry his fiancée until his gay mates could “marry”. A similar type of childishness as Langton and the “Welcome to Country” withdrawal.

These are the clowns we entrust not only with our existing laws, but with proposed ones.

In reality, they need to be put under supervision in a padded cell for everyone’s safety.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 24, 2023 2:29 pm

Roger

Aug 24, 2023 11:47 AM

I don’t know why they came up with that idea, but I am suspicious there’s something afoot.

The republic referendum required a written Yes or No response.

The AEC chief needs to explain himself.

Yes.
AEC dweeb on 3AW speaking in very soothing* tones that “it had always been part of the general referenda legislation”.
Under further nudging he went from “always part of the legislation” to “a longstanding interpretation of the legislation”. I wonder what qualifies as “longstanding”. Three weeks?
He then added “Gee, it’s been a long time since we last had a referendum. 25 years.”
This is code for “I am hoping no-one remembers and calls out my gaslighting”.

* condescending

shatterzzz
August 24, 2023 2:30 pm

< Consequently we’ve absorbed the last four increases in duty, however, on 1st September the increase will be a significant 10.7% and we will be forced to raise our prices.
Doesn’t it give one a warm moisting contemplating how various gummint entities decide on how to manage increases .. if it benefits gummint then the % is a whopper but if it benefits anyone in the vote herd that % decreases significantly ..
eg: on September 20 OAP increases but are we getting anywhere near 10.7% .. like hell!
The OAP increase, based on whatever index(es) they use will only be going up by 2.2% …!
Petrol/shopping/utilities/you name it! .. all going thru the roof on a, close too, weekly basis, nowadayz, but somehow someone in gummint reckons the whole kit & kaboodle equates to only 2.2% ..
Methinx, us, oldies need several VOICEs .. FFS!

dopey
dopey
August 24, 2023 2:32 pm

National cabinet plans to build 1.2 million extra homes. First real job for most of them. Start at the roof and work down.

JC
JC
August 24, 2023 2:33 pm

dover0beach
Aug 24, 2023 1:47 PM
Reckon re events involving Wagner best policy is wait 48 hours and see how details emerge out of the wash.

It would be unbearable for the family and close friends if he went down in anything other than a Global Express. The humiliation would be too much.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 24, 2023 2:34 pm

Be careful filling out your referendum paper.
Your answer must be “contained within the box provided”.
I can see careful scrutiny being applied where an extravagant pen stroke on an O or an N is deemed to be colouring over the lines.
E’s, Y’s and S’s will be given a little more artistic licence.

Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
August 24, 2023 2:34 pm

Daily Mail reporting wood fire stoves to be banned in ACT from 2045. For your own good apparently.

Tom
Tom
August 24, 2023 2:35 pm

Mine fluctuates from 126 (just now) to 178 (at the surgery the other day.)

Johanna, as you know, like Lizzie, I am an experienced epidemiologist.

But seriously, it sounds to me like you are as healthy as an ageing teenager — nothing to worry about (except the arthritis).

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 24, 2023 2:37 pm

Daily Mail.

Voice advocate and ‘Aboriginal elder’ hits back at accusations he is faking his Indigenous heritage

Voice advocate Indigenous ancestry disputed
Neil Evers hits back at Land Council criticism
Mr Evers featured on state at Yes23 event

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 24, 2023 2:40 pm

dopey

Aug 24, 2023 2:32 PM

National cabinet plans to build 1.2 million extra homes. First real job for most of them. Start at the roof and work down.

Ha ha.
Not entirely silly.
I have seen factories built that way.
Slab poured.
Roof trusses arrive and laid out on the slab.
Crossmembers fixed to trusses.
Insulation, roofing sheets, and any rooftop services (aircon) fixed in place.
The whole thing is then hoisted up into position.
Kind of smart.
Much more efficient and safer than doing it at height, all for the cost of half a day crane hire (which they would have needed anyway to place the trusses).

JMH
JMH
August 24, 2023 2:41 pm

You mean restoring MANUFACTURING in this country??? Now, that would be innovative!!! But somehow “manufacturing” isn’t part of our Treasurer’s vocabulary.

It’s not part of Blackout Bowen’s vocabulary either. Need reliable baseload power for manufacturing and industry. We no longer have that.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 2:42 pm

EDITORIALS

David Weiss has no credibility as special counsel for Biden investigation

by Washington Examiner

Attorney General Merrick Garland’s appointment of U.S. Attorney David Weiss as special counsel in the Biden family investigation has become an insult to the public. Garland should replace Weiss with somebody fit for the job.

Weiss was an outlandish choice from the start, but new revelations make it look even worse.

By law, logic, Garland’s earlier claims about Weiss’s authority, and Weiss’s performance, he isn’t a reasonable option.

By law, Weiss isn’t even eligible for the post.

Special counsel regulations explicitly say the appointee “shall be selected from outside the United States Government,” which is important to guarantee necessary independence for the job. Weiss is a government employee.

A special counsel should focus only on the case to which his appointment applies, but Weiss will continue acting as U.S. attorney for Delaware, so he will be distracted by other duties.

On its face, meanwhile, Weiss’s appointment is illogical and self-contradictory.

It is illogical because it defeats one of the biggest reasons a special counsel is needed, which is that a full review is necessary of why charges against Hunter Biden took inordinately long to be levied and why they were so lenient.

A special counsel is therefore needed to review Weiss’s work.

This appointment means Weiss will be reviewing his own conduct, which could not be a more obvious conflict of interest.

The appointment is also self-contradictory because, in practice, the only major power Weiss picks up is one he and Garland said he already had.

Usually, a U.S. attorney has the authority to bring charges only in his jurisdiction (in this case, Delaware). Whistleblowers have testified that Weiss was blocked from bringing charges in California and Washington, D.C., but Garland and Weiss said Weiss enjoyed cross-jurisdictional authority if he wanted.

Yet now, Garland names Weiss as special counsel to give him cross-jurisdictional authority.

Does that mean Garland and Weiss were prevaricating earlier?

Those important but somewhat legalistic objections to Weiss fade in comparison to the significance of his failure to apply evenhanded justice for five years.

Even apart from whether, technically and operationally, he is wrong for the job, new reports make manifest that he is personally unfit for this assignment.

We already knew of numerous examples of federal defendants punished far more heavily for the same offenses on which Weiss offered Biden extraordinarily lenient terms.

We even knew of cases in which Weiss sought harsher penalties than he agreed to give the president’s son.

We knew that Weiss bizarrely declined to keep the statute of limitations from expiring on some of the most important of Biden’s seemingly obvious infractions, including those involving the Burisma energy company and massive tax discrepancies, and that he never seriously pursued charges relating to the Foreign Agents Registration Act — an act the Justice Department has enforced aggressively against Republicans.

In recent days, though, we’ve learned even more damning information about Weiss’s handling of this investigation.

Internal communications between Weiss and Biden’s legal team show Weiss was prepared to wrap up the investigation without filing a single charge or requiring a plea from the first son.

His tune changed only once whistleblowers came forward to allege massively disparate treatment in favor of the Bidens.

Weiss, who once worked closely with Biden’s late brother Beau Biden, allowed his investigative team to be rife with Democratic political donors and even one who called Hunter Biden “a good friend” and noted the many times the Biden “family have been there for us.”

Meanwhile, reports keep emerging of leads Weiss seems not to have pursued, such as three alias email accounts used by then-Vice President Joe Biden, including ones in which Hunter Biden was repeatedly apprised of his father’s diplomatic efforts related to Ukraine, and even more meetings between Hunter Biden’s business partners and Vice President Joe Biden.

In sum, Weiss is not credible as an objective and competent leader of the Biden investigation. Garland should replace him immediately with someone of sterling reputation with no discernible partisan ties.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 24, 2023 2:42 pm

Cautionary tale for knee/hip replacements.
Overconfidence.
I know of someone who got a little over exuberant about how well it was all going.
Capsized onto pavement and is noe worse off than before.
Steady as she goes.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 24, 2023 2:47 pm

Politicians joyfully abdicated their responsibilities and handed power over to “experts”, and paraded in front of the cameras pretending that uncritically going along with whatever the experts say is the highest plane to which a leader could rise.

And look where that got us.

Bam.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 24, 2023 2:47 pm

calli
Aug 24, 2023 10:44 AM
In other news…I am crutch free, less than a week from surgery.

Fabulous news!

Many upticks.

P
P
August 24, 2023 2:49 pm

Monica Doumit: Victory for Lyle Shelton is a win for all our families
By Monica Doumit – August 23, 2023

Former Australian Christian Lobby managing director Lyle Shelton’s three-year defence against drag queens’ hate speech accusations shows why we need to fight for free speech.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 2:50 pm

Here are the GOP Presidential Candidates Who Will Support Trump as the Nominee, Even If the Former President Is Convicted

WATCH:

The President of the United States doesn’t get to look around for answers, he is the answer.

Ron DeSantis just disqualified himself. pic.twitter.com/wuHZJPCFWy

— MAGA War Room (@MAGAIncWarRoom) August 24, 2023

Ron DeSantis was one of the last candidates to raise his hand when asked to support Trump.

Wow DeSantis refused to pledge to support Trump until he looked and saw @VivekGRamaswamy and @NikkiHaley raising their hands.

DeSantis is a COWARD!! pic.twitter.com/kAtXWXLF4w

— Alex Bruesewitz ?? (@alexbruesewitz) August 24, 2023

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
August 24, 2023 2:59 pm

Tucker Carlson
@TuckerCarlson
Ep. 19 Debate Night with Donald J Trump

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johanna
johanna
August 24, 2023 3:05 pm

So much for new homebuyers trying to get even a quote, when the gummint is offering their traditional contracts cost plus whatever the contractor (or his wife) dreams of overnight.

See Rabz’ post on ‘crowding out.’

If they actually wanted to achieve anything, they would remove the financial and regulatory imposts on new home construction, which account for well over 50% of the cost.

Like, every new home has to be six star for da ‘environment’, in some jurisdictions has to have a rainwater tank, the local council’s mates have to supply ‘infrastructure’, the tens of thousands of jobsworths in ‘planning’ at local and state levels, on and on and on.

Not to mention the way people during the post WWII housing squeeze dealt with it – buy a block, and live in a caravan or a ‘temporary dwelling’ on it while you built your house.

Not allowed now.

Today, you need to sign off on your fourbr/3btr/with media room/spa bath and granite countertops in the kitchen and bathrooms.

I hope the TinyHomes crowd get a bit more heft. Rebadging the old ways is no bad thing.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 24, 2023 3:13 pm

johanna

Aug 24, 2023 2:23 PM

Got myself a home blood pressure kit under instructions from my Brahmin Princess doctor (who can be very scary, but is good at her job.)

A good investment.
Doctors refer to “white coat effect” where BP is often higher in the surgery than at home.
I have a home machine and have proven this to be true. Scores of readings at home between 115/70 and 135/90. Suddenly, in the surgery, 150-160/100-110.
I even calibrated my machine against the GP’s machine to check that my machine wasn’t faulty.

Robert Sewell
August 24, 2023 3:14 pm

Bruce of Newcastle

Aug 24, 2023 11:39 AM
That is where you get to if you follow the Completing a Referendum ballot paper link at the Referendum 2023 AEC webpage. I was surprised as I thought the paper would be a fairly standard yes box and a no box, but not so: they want people to literally write either yes or no in one box. I don’t know why they came up with that idea, but I am suspicious there’s something afoot.

But everyone tells me the AEC is above suspicion!

calli
calli
August 24, 2023 3:15 pm

I didn’t get to 67 by being overconfident. Particularly on building sites. Or behind the wheel for that matter. My tottering around indoors is very carefully choreographed, a bit like a climber assessing footholds.

As they say, most accidents happen at home.

The plan for tomorrow is a supervised barefoot stumble around the garden. Ahhhh – grass underfoot! Definitely no weeding, though I’m sorely tempted.

Rosie
Rosie
August 24, 2023 3:19 pm

Most new homes in the ACT are townhouses, true they have two bathrooms, though neither has a bath, but you wouldn’t be able to live on-site in a caravan while it was being built, because there wouldn’t be enough room in the yard.

Robert Sewell
August 24, 2023 3:21 pm

Tom Rogers:
Doesn’t he look like Heinrich Himmler.
And their website has the acknowledgment:

The AEC acknowledges the Traditional Owners of country throughout Australia and recognises their continuing connection to land, waters, culture and community. We pay our respects to Elders past, present and emerging.

So they’re already on one political side.

calli
calli
August 24, 2023 3:22 pm

Don’t think for one moment these freedom barracks (h/t John Constantine) will actually be built.

We are seeing a Yes Minister episode IRL.

johanna
johanna
August 24, 2023 3:26 pm

Thanks, Sancho, hope you’re right.

I need to be sure of my facts before I front her.

She’s one tough aristo, which is why I like her. I have a reserve GP for when she’s not available, but when it comes to serious matters I want a hardass.

Since Jewish doctors are scarce and expensive around here (joke, before anyone erupts) an Indian princess who has never pandered to me and is thorough with it will do me.

JC
JC
August 24, 2023 3:28 pm

From reports, it was a Embraer Legacy 600.

Jeez Louise. I thought RasPutin downed the plane, now that we know it’s Brazilian made it’s deadset certain it was a mechanical problem.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 24, 2023 3:31 pm

Australian Customs forms require a cross in any appropriate boxes.

If it is done there it will no doubt be seen by voters as good enough in the Referendum.
Especially as in common usage a tick means yes and a cross means no.

This should be very carefully scrutineered with ‘intention’ as the key factor.
If there is nothing in the ‘yes’ box but a cross in the ‘no’ then voter intention is clear.

Rosie
Rosie
August 24, 2023 3:33 pm

Incidentally post war housing two or three bedroom, lounge, kitchen, bath wasn’t a matter of choice.
There were significant restrictions because, naturally, many plans were put on hold because of military service and war production so not enough to go around not to mention a huge immigration programme.
People were limited to ten or twelve squares depending on the number and sex of their children and owner building was encouraged.
My dad build his first house with the help of family on the weekends, that was at the end of the fifties so we got a ‘sunroom’ as well.
Amazing what accountants can do.
My current home was built under the restricted regime in 1953, but has had a number of additions since then.
Now of course the government will do what individuals used to do for themselves.

Crossie
Crossie
August 24, 2023 3:34 pm

Dr Faustus
Aug 24, 2023 11:22 AM
In Brightest and Best news:

‘Overwhelming’ consensus renewables are better than nuclear: Chalmers

There was a time when there was an “overwhelming” consensus that the earth is flat.

Crossie
Crossie
August 24, 2023 3:36 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Aug 24, 2023 12:17 PM
I will be know as the Elder caveman and begin my quest for weperwations and free stuff and learn dot painting.

lol. So many ‘elders’ will be ’emergent’ it will be hard to keep track of them all.

May a thousand jokes bloom at the Voice’s expense.

Johnny Rotten
August 24, 2023 3:38 pm

Yes.

It’s a stalemate.

That’s why no line has moved in any meaningful way for roughly a year.

How else do you define a stalemate, genius?

Well, Dotty Dot of Dottiness you are about to find out how Putin wins a war.

Just wait for the other mob to wear themselves out and then move forward in numbers.

GENIUS

Rosie
Rosie
August 24, 2023 3:40 pm

This should be very carefully scrutineered with ‘intention’ as the key factor.
If there is nothing in the ‘yes’ box but a cross in the ‘no’ then voter intention is clear.

Except there isn’t a no and a yes box.
There is one box where you have to write either yes or no.
I don’t think pointing to customs forms is helpful, what percentage of voters have recently completed a customs declaration?
Imagine if people tick the yes box and cross the no box.
I’m inclined to say accept Y or N but don’t accept any ticks or crosses.
Enough publicity should make all but the most obtuse aware.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 24, 2023 3:41 pm

Vicki
Aug 24, 2023 1:23 PM
There is no “NO” box, there is only one box.

“Please explain!”

The referendum ballot paper spells out the question, then asks:

Do you approve this proposed alteration?

There is then a single box for the response, and the instruction” Write “Yes” or “No””

The answer must be written in the single box, hence the argument about Y and N, and Ticks vs Crosses.

Johnny Rotten
August 24, 2023 3:42 pm

Jeez Louise. I thought RasPutin downed the plane, now that we know it’s Brazilian made it’s deadset certain it was a mechanical problem.

As I said earlier, be careful who you fly with. LOL.

johanna
johanna
August 24, 2023 3:44 pm

The plan for tomorrow is a supervised barefoot stumble around the garden. Ahhhh – grass underfoot! Definitely no weeding, though I’m sorely tempted.

When I broke my arm I went out to my little courtyard space and saw all these things that needed to be dealt with, but I physically couldn’t. Annoying.

But, they were a great incentive, and in no time I was testing the limits every day to snip this and tidy up that. Gardening is wonderful therapy.

Another example of why cramming people into apartments for all of their lives is less than optimal.

Crossie
Crossie
August 24, 2023 3:48 pm

Abbott, always being the nice guy. And this comes on the heels of David Littleproud gallantly standing up to defend Sleazy’s son, and then a day later, Littleproud joining in the chorus denouncing Gary Johns for speaking truth about indigenous issues.

Quite frankly, I’m sick and tired of “nice guys”.

Me too, Cassie. I could understand it if they got some sort of advantage out of it but all it’s used for is to beat about the head other coalition politicians who don’t prostrate themselves before the media and Labor/Greens.

Tom
Tom
August 24, 2023 3:48 pm

Jeez Louise. I thought RasPutin downed the plane, now that we know it’s Brazilian made it’s deadset certain it was a mechanical problem.

Now, now, JC. Embraer makes all sorts of very good shorthaul bizjets that are suitable for missions under 10,000 kms.

Considering the political shit that’s going down in Brazil, Embraer is a very good company harvesting on the corpse of Boeing, which has ceded the sub-150-seat market to Airbus (whose brilliant long-legged A220-300 started life as a Bombardier, made in Canada by a poorly run, shitbox company that now makes trains).

Johnny Rotten
August 24, 2023 3:49 pm

He agrees likely take done by missile and there is good indicative evidence for that but there are also pics of the tail that show no shrapnel damage.

Still, clarity should ensue in next 48 hours.

Yes Putin did it.

Just like all those Clinton Associates died not doing it. So many suicides. Amazing Grace. FFS.

Dot
Dot
August 24, 2023 3:50 pm

My understanding is that like many indicators in modern medicine, the number of people ‘of concern’ has been increased by shifting the metrics. For BP, the top number used to be 160, now it’s 140.

Absolutely correct.

BP up to 160 mm Hg on the systolic measurement was considered normal in the early 1970s – as heart issues were rising but we did not have an epidemic of metabolic syndrome.

Recently, anything from 120 to 139 has been labelled as “pre-hypertensive”, which is obviously ridiculous.

125/70 – high BP, take these drugs! How about NO?

When you look into the history of it, BP really is a weird metric. Some doctor was mutilating a horse and decided that people needed to measure this and that it also meant something.

Low-level “high” BP, cholesterol and the like do not even have positive outcomes with drugs and the risks are costly. You might lower the risk of an ischemic stroke moderately (which is low as an absolute risk but “high” as a relative risk) but absolutely increase the risk of haemorrhagic stroke in a much higher manner.

It’s also been established now that “white coat fever” is real and constant or home monitoring is more accurate.

Do your own research, examine the facts and make up your own mind.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 24, 2023 3:52 pm

Roger

What happened in Tasmania in the 1820/30s might qualify, but is now historic.

Dig up the bones of the various governors of the era, and hang their bones in a public place in Hobart, as happened to the corpse of Oliver Cromwell after the Restoration?

JC
JC
August 24, 2023 3:52 pm

Tom

Would you fly in a Brazilian made plane? You’d have to drag me on. Airbus 350 is the only foreign made plane I’d travel and that would be under sufferance. And I don’t care what’s recently happened to Boeing. 🙂

Dot
Dot
August 24, 2023 3:54 pm

Well, Dotty Dot of Dottiness you are about to find out how Putin wins a war.

You’ve been saying this for roughly 16 months. The war is 18 months old. When are you going to be correct? Just nominate a month, not a day.

Last year it was a pincer movement. Now it’s simply a war of attrition and walk in when the artillery stops. What’s your next claim? A surgical strike and decapitation of the Washington-installed regime?

The war will end when Putin and Zelensky can both save face.

Interestingly you have dodged the matter as to the situation being a stalemate or not right now (it is).

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 24, 2023 3:59 pm

Sancho

AEC dweeb on 3AW speaking in very soothing* tones that “it had always been part of the general referenda legislation”.

In which case he should be able to quote the relevant clause of the legislation.

Under further nudging he went from “always part of the legislation” to “a longstanding interpretation of the legislation”.

Interpretation by whom? A relevant court (the High Court sitting as the Court of Disputed Returns)? Or an anonymous bureaucrat?

Robert Sewell
August 24, 2023 4:01 pm

Aug 24, 2023 1:47 PM
Reckon re events involving Wagner best policy is wait 48 hours and see how details emerge out of the wash.

I’d call this one a 168 hour wait out, and then some DB.

Johnny Rotten
August 24, 2023 4:02 pm

Interestingly you have dodged the matter as to the situation being a stalemate or not right now (it is).

Not at all Dotty Dot of Dottiness. I am with the people in the know which is not you.

LOL.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/tucker-interview-trump/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Tom
Tom
August 24, 2023 4:05 pm

JC, the Embraer E75 (70-80 seats) and E190 (90-120 seats) piss all over the Boeings in per-seat cost economics for their size and have none of the engine issues being encountered, for example, by Pratt and Whitney, affecting both Boeing and Airbus types.

Considering Embraer is operating in a corrupt socialist country that has just been taken over by China (thanks to the Dems and the CIA), its products are very good and are now widely used in Australia.

Johnny Rotten
August 24, 2023 4:07 pm

Dotty Dot of Dottiness go and play with you willy wonkas and with JC and JD and…………………With Mrs Stncho Pantyhose………………..And learn sum’fink.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/tucker-interview-trump/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 24, 2023 4:09 pm

Lizzie

If there is nothing in the ‘yes’ box but a cross in the ‘no’ then voter intention is clear.

There is only ONE box, there are NOT separate boxes for Yes and No, or Cross and Tick, or Y and N.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 24, 2023 4:11 pm

Johanna, as you know, like Lizzie, I am an experienced epidemiologist.

lol. I’m experienced enough Tom in the epidemiology of BP to disbelieve a lot of it. My own blood pressure fluctuates, as it does for most people, depending on whether I am calmly reading and relaxing at home or driving late and bothered to the docs. I always insist doc records the best of three.

Hint for travellers: do not allow a doc to change your BP meds in the six month period before you travel. That change will up your insurance costs as it will determine for them even if not for you that your BP is ‘not stable’.

Apart from only slightly elevated BP (probably oestrogen-related but who cares given oestrogen’s other benefits?), I am a fit and active 81-year-old still good to drive and swim and lug a suitcase and hit the dance floor on cruises. Never done a Sudoku or played Bridge in my life and don’t intend to start now. Hairy’s rellies can keep their Charades and Cryptic Crosswords to themselves too. All of that is Boring for England Brainiac stuff. Life’s too short to bother with it.

We’ve just booked a cruise around the Caribbean and up and down the Amazon for March 2024, finally going there at last after they cancelled out on us in 2020 and again in 2021, refunding our deposit both times. Prices have skyrocketed since but carpe diem. Now it’s no masks, no vaxx, no nonsense about it all now. Hearing that is very good indeed for the BP. 🙂

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 24, 2023 4:14 pm

Listening to the Michael Malice interview of Gabriel Shipton (Assange’s brother).
A new piece of information that he shared was that Pence was directly involved with having Ecuador expel Assange from their embassy.
Pence was holding an IMF loan over their head.
Ecuador held out for 12 months but caved.
Google doesn’t turn up anything apart from a Pence visit to Ecuador.
If true it demonstrates Trump was a pure retard for having him as VP.

Dot
Dot
August 24, 2023 4:14 pm

I am with the people in the know which is not you.

Funny how it means facts change when things don’t work out. Stated Kremlin war aims since February 2022.

1. Surgical strike and decapitation (Day 1).
2 Special military operation (First month).
3. “Denazification” (First few months).
4. A pincer movement (back end of 2022).
5. A war of attrition whilst losing strategic supersonic bombers to cheap throwaway drones (last couple of months) as Ukraine continues to gain better weaponry (F-16s this time).
6. Next: “F-16s are a really bad plane” – demonstrably false and COPE.

Each of these is a decreasingly worse outcome with less strategic initiative and control of the battlefield.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 24, 2023 4:15 pm

There is only ONE box, there are NOT separate boxes for Yes and No, or Cross and Tick, or Y and N.

Good Lord, BJ. That’s definitely a feature not a bug then.

Taking a page from the US Democrat playbook there.

Robert Sewell
August 24, 2023 4:16 pm

Dot:

– “critical minerals” – sure, but what in particular are they going to do? use them? well that would be innovative!

I’ve often spoken of the need for a Critical Minerals and Semi Manufactured Products Stockpile similar to the US model.
We make copper products and piping. There’s one that we need. Iron in the form of steel girders and railway tracks, flat sheet and nails. Uranium as yellow cake, the list is endless but we have no domestic industry to transform them into final products.
Food in the form of bulk sugar and flour, beef made into tinned products and milk powder. Instead we have just let the industrial base for the transformation of these necessities die off for cents in the dollar.
A meager dollar cost each year could have us supporting these industries but no, nothing is done. So the peach trees and tomato vines get ripped out, the mines go bust, and we still don’t have economy wide radiological food preservation because a blunder fifty years ago killed some cats.
For want of a nail…

shatterzzz
August 24, 2023 4:16 pm

If there is nothing in the ‘yes’ box but a cross in the ‘no’ then voter intention is clear.

There is only ONE box .. you write YES or NO ..!

Robert Sewell
August 24, 2023 4:18 pm

Megan

Aug 24, 2023 1:58 PM
You can’t teach what you do not know.”

So, it’s taken 50 years for someone to recognise the bleeding obvious.

Many of us knew, Megan. But the smartest people in the room over ruled us. And now they will blame us because we must have gotten it wrong.

Dot
Dot
August 24, 2023 4:19 pm

Everyone uses such a wide range of base, precious and rare earth metals & metalloids in daily life we’ve become oblivious to it. How a bureaucrat determines what a critical mineral is, must be laughable.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 24, 2023 4:20 pm

5. A war of attrition whilst losing strategic supersonic bombers to cheap throwaway drones (last couple of months) as Ukraine continues to gain better weaponry (F-16s this time).

Dot, not sure who you’re stoushing with.
But one thing the Russian invasion of Ukraine has demonstrated is that drones are far higher yielding than most planes.
The cost of drones has plummeted.
Cost of planes continues to rise.
Plus you don’t have to worry about a pilot.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 24, 2023 4:20 pm

If the plane was shot down with a missile I surmise it is heat seeking, the engines are almost below the tailplane shown in picture with no shrapnel damage. More likely a bomb on board.

Dot
Dot
August 24, 2023 4:21 pm

Imagine a world without zinc.

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