Correct. It is murder. Murder of the most defenceless members of our society.
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That is disgraceful. It happens to me nearly every day. I have an idea of who they are. I aggravate…
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Kev to Alice Springs, as special ambassador to the First Nations?
Ken Shorter is dead. He was the lead in the aussie bikie movie “Stone”.
Trump trusted the medical advice a lot more than I’d have done.
Thursday, I had an operation to remove a skin cancer. Just an scc, not particularly serious. I didn’t trust the anaesthetist not to kill me, nor the surgeon not to remove bits of brain. I just reckoned the comparative risks made the surgery a better bet. So I gambled and won.
I hope.
Irrelevant. All that we had to do is stand together and they would have lost.
And here we are. They won.
So you dispute the fact that she enthusiastically supported the insanity, eh pancho?
Then scroll every time you see her tag.
No-one expects you to either forgive or forget, but please try to avoid becoming a bitter old man like Numbers, lashing out randomly.
I’ve often wondered about this too. I’ve had surgery, done by people I’ve never met before, have no idea about their professional ability. Gullible? Sure. That’s gullible, but how much more gullible than instead of the GP directing your to see a specialist surgeon, he advises you to take the vax?
I was guided by one of my favourite Bible verses: Proverbs 3:5-6.
I am guided by this one.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil. For thou art with me. Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life. Because I carry a big stick and I’m the meanest mother f*cker in the valley!
Let’s just make this clear, while we’re at it, Cats – “Insanity of an ‘itlerist Nature”
Defend away, Pancho.
You know you want to. 🙂
Irrelevant. All that we had to do is stand together and they would have lost.
Rubbish- and I didn’t run away to Japan
I’ve had surgery, done by people I’ve never met before, have no idea about their professional ability.
You are not looking for an intimate relationship with your surgeon.
You want them to view you as dispassionately as possible.
I am not.
Yet.
I really don’t get this hatred of Rosie
John H.
I have this feeling I understand what the article was about.
I also have a terrible feeling I’m wrong.
Anyway ‘work from home’ used to a euphemism in Mum’s circle for ‘he lost his job’.
I am finding it hard how quickly the mainstream media is moving on from Maui.
Forget the politics, I would have thought they would have been more engaged until all the missing have been found or moved to the brown bread column.
It really sux that people here presume to lecture others about their employment and financial commitments and arrangements.
I take back the word, gullible. The more accurate word should be “trusting”.
Doc, you trusted the medics in the case of removing the skin cancer. Why that and not the vax, as I’m sure your GP would have strongly advised to vax up.
Ultimately the cowards can be redeemed. They will be tested again you can be sure.
Keep trying to avoid the “Yet”.
It really sux that people here presume to lecture others about their employment and financial commitments and arrangements.
I am richer than Elon & have a 12 inch schlong.
Two weeks of us flipping them the bird, and we would have won. Wouldn’t most people be able to live 2 weeks without working?
Zulu,
You’re welcome. I came across the channel because Drachinifel appeared In one of the vids. Gone back to watch the whole series. Love how they hate on Dugout Doug 🙂
I found this one on the New Guinea campaign particularly interesting https://youtu.be/0KvXME_tN48?feature=shared
I’ll say it again-
It really sux that people here presume to lecture others about their employment and financial commitments and arrangements.
The ADFA pervert support scandal merely reinforces my opposition to military academies in general, and ADFA in particular.
The purpose of military academies is to create and reinforce an ethos. People believe that the purpose is to develop military expertise, they don’t.
You do not need a massively totalitarian propaganda structure, submissive to some left wing university, to teach what is essentially a trade. The individual service technical and officer training schools do that effectively, efficiently and cheaply.
As ADFA has demonstrated, like the Education Department, if the institution is controlled by a communist organisation like the Defence People Group, our Officer Corps is corrupted before any conflict may test their skills and integrity.
A number of years ago I was invited to an ADFA graduation. Surprisingly, I attended and found myself sitting next to a person swamped in braid and his very elegant wife.
His wife announced that the only reason any of the cadets were there was because their families wanted to avoid their education expenses.
She added, ” they are here because of the money”. They learn nothing of value. They need to be required to attend a regular university then apply for a Service academy if they are genuinely motivated.”
I was breathless. She said that because of her husband’s role they entertained lots of cadets. “Beautiful young people, but lost”.
I haven’t been, so presumably, milts, you’re referring to others.
Evil individuals, they be.
I am finding it hard how quickly the mainstream media is moving on from Maui.
FTB
Just watched a vid someone posted last night on Maui. The incompetence seems as bad as Black Saturday.
However left wing party in power nothing here to see lets move on again.
Wouldn’t most people be able to live 2 weeks without working?
let them eat cake!
All that comment reflects is your mendaciousness st rabz.
I never supported lockdowns and most definitely not mandates. I even foolishly believed no-one would ever dare to bring in such a thing.
I said time and time again getting vaccinated should be a private medical decision
No-one, not even the experts here, have proven that the various vaccines didn’t provide a measure of protection against hospitalisation or death.
Which is why I got vaccinated, not in the first wave, but well before mandates were on the horizon.
(Yes some people suffered severe adverse reactions and some died.)
I remember Sinc putting up a post telling everyone to just go and get vaxxed.
Why weren’t you abusing him left right and centre?
I’m sick and tired of defending myself against malicious falsehoods.
I’ve often wondered about this too. I’ve had surgery, done by people I’ve never met before, have no idea about their professional ability.
All my surgery was either done by rellos or people I’ve introduced my associates too.
Gullible?
I prefer to think of you as being cutely niave.
Margaret Thatcher
@realmrsthatcher
What good is the “peace” of Nazism or Communism?
I went down to the Falkland Islands so that they may have peace with liberty, not peace at any price.
She’s right, the SS has a culture issue. There’s no top tier SS officers who are openly gay. Only a Walloon in a 3rd rate Waffen SS regiment stationed in Norway is openly gay.
This is why patriotic gay German volk have joined the Sicherheitsdienst and Hitler’s stewards and motor pool.
Here’s some facts…
Fact 1. Not once, not ever did Rosie ever support the lockdowns or vaccine mandates. And nor did I, nor did Lizzie, nor did JC, nor did Sancho, nor did anyone here. Whether you agree with Rosie’s opinions about vaccines or not, I thought this blog was a free speech blog. Let me just say this, the intolerance, the screeching and the incessant nastiness here about vaccine choices has, over the last two years, almost always ensued from those who aren’t jabbed, and then they like to big note themselves as some kind of pure bloods, aka like something out of Nazi Germany. F*CK OFF. Over the last three years, Rosie (and Lizzie) has been on the receiving end of numerous unhinged abuse and pile-ons, all because Rosie has dared to politely and rightly question Covid treatment efficacies, and all because she has politely and rightly queried some people on this blog’s idiocies and insanities ever since Covid started, and let me tell you, I’ve witnessed a lot of insanity and idiocy on this blog over the last three and a half years, be it on Sinc’s blog, on Adam’s blog and here on Dover’s blog.
Fact 2. We here in NSW had it easy compared to the tyranny Victorians endured. That is an undeniable fact.
Fact 3. I have been jabbed TWICE. I have not had the booster, or the third jab, or the fourth jab, and I won’t be having a tenth jab. I have friends who’ve been jabbed four or five times, and that’s their choice. They’ll probably get jabbed a hundred times, I DON’T CARE. I respect their decision, they respect mine.
Fact 4. Why did I decide to get jabbed? Well, in order to go into the office I had to be jabbed and show ID of my vaccination. I live alone, and I struggle to work from home, I find it suffocating and it impacts my mental health. I nearly went crazy in 2020 during the first lockdown, so I had special permission in 2021 to go into the office during that long second lockdown, however in September 2021 my firm mandated that when the lockdown ended, if you wanted to come into the office then you will have to show proof of vaccination. I had anticipated this so in late August 2021, I got my fist AZ jab, and the I got second shot in late October 2021. I have no regrets. I could have remained unjabbed and worked from home until my firm dropped vaccine mandates in mid December 2021 but I CHOSE NOT NOT. I also was having to prepare for hospital and there was no way I could have the knee operations (I had both knees done) without the Covid jabs. I repeat, I have no regrets.
Fact 5. By the way Rabz, we both know someone who was quarantined in a inner-city hotel room for three weeks after he was diagnosed with Covid at a Sydney hospital in August 2021. Do you remember? How do you think he felt? Do you also remember how, when at the rehab hospital after getting my knees done, I was confined to my room for four days because the hospital had lost the f*cking Covid test, and I was not allowed to leave the room, and every time someone entered my room, for physio or to bring in food or medication, they looked as though they were dressed ready to land on Mars? I went hysterical, it took my sister to ring the hospital administrator to demand some action because I couldn’t receive visitors, one day I sobbed for hours.
Fact 6. Nobody here has a monopoly on virtue, nobody.
Fact 7. Rabz, your unhinged abuse of Rosie was completely inappropriate. You should apologise.
North Point Church Is Sending Children to All-LGBTQ Therapists: We Profile One of The Counselors
Fact 6. Nobody here has a monopoly on virtue, nobody.
Struth went close.
More societal decay. On Outsiders was some country lass who’s productive farm is being subject to turtle’s monstrous ruinable network. Basically her productivity will be halved. The viability of her farm is shot; with no recompense or comeback.
Sometimes I wonder how much shit can people take before they snap and then a I remember Venezuela.
I’m more of a Half-Blood Prince.
+1
Most of us are old-ish…or just plain old.
My care is for the young. We are only just seeing the results of prolonged educational disruption. This has left scars where there should be progress. I can whinge all I like about mah roights, but it’s the kiddies who have suffered most.
We threw out the useless NSW govt. Time for other states to spread the joy. If not, why not?
Wow comment eaten by the system. Meh unsure what the naughty word was…
It was interesting that Nikki Haley cited Margaret Thatcher in the debate, re climate change. I don’t think she realized that Thatcher had completely recanted and had become a climate sceptic, as she outlined in her 2006 book.
Thatcher had the same problem that Trump had: do you believe the public serpents who are employed to give you advice or not? She hadn’t the time when PM, but when she was a private citizen she had the time to apply her scientific training to investigate the data…and realized the whole thing was a scam.
Since her era the deep state has gotten so deep and so pervasive that Trump was completely submerged in swampies. There wasn’t anyone who wasn’t compromised, possible exception being Pompeo. And of course Ben Carson. But when Covid turned up what could he do? So he accepted the advice of Fauci and the CDC, which we now know are totally bonkers far-left.
The best thing about the Trump Presidency is he brought our enemies into the light, and there are a staggering number of them. The termites have been quietly eating the house for fifty years and there’s barely anything now left holding the walls up.
If you had the vax you won’t develop dementia.
I’ve read a study with the same results in Parkinson’s Disease. These studies reveal a new way of thinking about the causes of dementia that 20 years ago would have been regarded as nonsense. The penetration of T cell into the brain is counterintuitive. We’ve long ignored the impact of immunity on cognition. Independently of pathology we now know that 2 key immune inflammatory mediators have effects on our behavior. This creates very difficult problems for understanding the brain-behavior nexus.
Why vax no dementia? Sarc. There were some who claimed the vax destroyed our T cells forever and a day. Let me know when the cancer. bacterial, viral and fungal outbreaks emerge. Next month, next year, next decade? Or is like the death touch in Men Who Stare at Goats?
Bwaaah!
Rose, then there will be no more malicious falsehoods, not that I have evah levelled them against you.
You know this to be true.
St Rabz of the Suitablee Stuffed 🙂
Indolent you have failed me again.
That “Protestia” “Christian” site is trash.
1. Engages in MeToo crap from four years ago and then shits on a bloke for not being a saint. IS HE IN GAOL? Then what a load of bollocks. If they encourage cancel culture, they can eff off and swim with bull sharks.
I mean this is disgusting “journalism”. What about redemption? YOU CAN’T GROOM ADULTS. NOR WOULD IT BE ILLEGAL, “GROOMING” HAS A SPECIFIC LEGAL MEANING (IT IS A SERIOUS INDICTABLE OFFENCE [A “FELONY”]).
2. “Profiling” a “gay pastor” (ahem) by pointing out he thinks conversion therapy doesn’t work. The correct Christian solution would be celibacy. The idea you can un-gay people suggests they’ve never met flaming queers.
3. He without sin…
4.
BUY THEM A COFFEE!!!
That is the serious fulltime gay careerists.
The other 75% were weekender S&M hobbyists.
The best thing about the Trump Presidency is he brought our enemies into the light, and there are a staggering number of them.
very true- good that we know. I made them expose themselves in Australia too.
Totally agree with you Cassie.
I’ve promised myself a peevish, cranky and irritable old age. It’s a priveledge I’ve earned.
If you really want to hurt Rabz it’s simple.
Rabz, your music choice is appalling.
No I didn’t trust anyone. Not even me. I took a calculated risk. Different thing altogether.
My quack was as sceptical about the vax as I was. If he’d recommended it, I’d have sacked him and got another quack. Given the data available at the time, the risk from the bug was lower than the risk from the vax. I looked at the numbers and the history of the pharmaceutical companies. I also factored in the response of the authorities to hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. If I’d had any trust in the system, that would have fractured it.
But I don’t do trust. I do prediction. It works better.
Err, yeah, no.
I had the misfortune to exist in one of Beryl Gladyschlocklian’s “LGA of Obsessions”.
The restrictions I was subjected to were every bit as bad if not worse than those imposed in Disasterstan, Cass.
Cassie great analysis at 758pm. I too work not just because I need the money (which I do) but it also means a lot to me- being part of the workforce, engaging with the world, making a contribution. I’d be so lost without it. I find I achieve more in my spare time as a full time employee than I ever did during periods of unemployment.
bons
While I broadly support her philosophy, I would simply point out that General Morrison, he of the red high heels and “the standard you pass by is the standard you accept”, completed a degree at the ANU before joining the Army.
PS, what year, and was the husband in the Navy?
Yes a BA
Woulda.
Coulda.
Didn’t.
Whatevs.
Have a look at who is lining up behind you, FFS.
Razey-san (top table in heaven).
Insolent (buy me a cup of coffee).
Titsoff (Feeeelings, all my life I feeeel it).
Doctor Cuban.
General Morrison- what a horrible little man. Very Canbra
You carefully checked the bios of the anesthetist and the surgeon?
Never go the full st ruth
And what exactly did you do, Razey-san, you mouthy deadshit.
Apart from threatening to piss off to Japan, but never actually going.
“I had the misfortune to exist in one of Beryl Gladyschlocklian’s “LGA of Obsessions”.
The restrictions I was subjected to were every bit as bad if not worse than those imposed in Disasterstan, Cass.”
NO…NO…NO, nothing you experienced when locked down was as bad as what people in Melbourne endured.
As for those “LGA’s”, so what, you weren’t the only one to suffer. I didn’t see my sister for over three months, she also lived in one of those designated LGA’s. She didn’t see either of her sons for over three months as one son lives near me in the eastern suburbs, and her other son lived in a neighbouring LGA that was locked down.
I couldn’t go on one of those anti-vaccine mandate protests in Sydney due to my knees, because I could barely walk at the time but several people from here on this blog did attend. Did you attend?
There were people I know, such as my hairdresser, and my Pilates studio owner, who had to shut up shop, which meant that they had no income apart from the special government handout. You were not impacted like that. I was lucky to work throughout lockdowns, as were you.
Lastly, you need to get a grip.
John – I saw that study. I don’t agree with it, instead I suspect the vaccine will actually increase dementia rates due to the microclotting issue.
Unfortunately the vaccine only give a couple months of antibody protection against Covid, and maybe not even that if the newer strains are too different from the original ones. So on balance I think the vaccine is actually worse than the disease in this respect.
T cells are reproduced from stem cells, so they don’t go away forever. But susceptible T cells can be cleaned out of the blood due to the cell fusion issue. So after vaccination it is possible to reach negative protection, as is seen in the Israel and Danish studies, since the T cells providing first response have been depleted. Once people stop getting the vax their T cells should regenerate slowly. But every vax “booster” would strip them out of the bloodstream again.
This is going to leave a mark
No, I talked to them for a few minutes. Much more informative. But it’s a matter of probabilities, if the anaesthetist had killed many customers, she probably wouldn’t have been retained by the hospital. Likewise the surgeon.
Cat’s – I’m worth a million in prizes, I tells ya! 🙂
Who knows?
Precisely the problem with mandating “medicine” without proper testing.
Quite so.
Story that reached my ears that his father was a well known and well respected Army officer.
“I’m going to do something very nasty here and quote your own words back to you, except I won’t, because I still value your friendship (and I don’t want to get “eccy thoomped” by a goil).”
And what words were they Rabz?
Cass – for goodness’ sake – I did attend and you posted a comment here back at the time that you supported those of us (including me) that did.
OK, I’m sorry to have stirred up such barely concealed emotions among us about the years of hitlerist insanity we all recently suffered through.
Bad, bad Rabz (again). 🙁
Testink
FFS, Rabz, get down off the cross.
We need the wood.
I don’t think you’re a bad man, Rabz. I think you’re a wounded one.
That goes for many who no longer comment here too.
..
And don’t you get out of line again, young man, or it’ll be a whupping.
Do you think the “Defence People Group” actually sabotages recruitment?
I know a bloke who was 3/4 of the way in and got rejected because he was “being combative with the psychologist” (he’s very intelligent and stable and has worked for Musk at Space X – would have gone into Naval eng. but ended up as a civilian doing aerospace eng.
I know another engineer who was basically the same and passed virtually everything and they turned him down because he “wasn’t motivated enough” (would have gone into RAAF aircraft engineering, and became a Mech Eng). I think it too was a female shrink again that said no.
I suspect they had a female quota as a minimum reason. A gal in the year above me at school won a scholarship and never joined up.
Not that we didn’t know already.
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They didn’t even appear individually sign the ballots. It was all done by computer.
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1695484031205322914/photo/1
“Cass – for goodness’ sake – I did attend and you posted a comment here back at the time that you supported those of us (including me) that did.
That’s great Ratz, and I vocally supported the protest at the time. And others here like Tinta and Dragnet attended.
OK, I’m sorry to have stirred up such barely concealed emotions among us about the years of hitlerist insanity we all recently suffered through.
Bad, bad Rabz (again). ?
Apologise to Rosie.
The Cardigan Commando reinforcements arrive.
Harvard man is back.
“I don’t think you’re a bad man, Rabz. I think you’re a wounded one.”
Indeed calli.
His father was also a general, Major General Alan Morrison. Junior got to one rank higher, to Lieutenant General.
Ouch.
“That’s grate, Ratz”
LOL….that wasn’t intentional!
unreal isn’t it.
I am. My entire life has been a very unfunny joke. Consequently, my ol’ man revolves in his grave at many, many RPM.
Do I give a rodent’s?
No. 🙂
Never, ever gets old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgHXHtHSsNo
Bruce people were arguing that our immune system would be forever destroyed. As you stated that is obvious nonsense because of immune cells are continuously produced. So many people who had never studied immunology decided they knew better than people like us who at least made the effort.
I’m not particularly worried about the clotting issue because radiologists refer to UBO’s in aging brains, especially in smokers. Unidentified Bright Objects, regions where an occlusive\hemorrhagic stroke has induced cell death. If there is an increase it will be statistically undetectable. Today’s happy thought: our brains, like our other organs, are shabby equipment always deteriorating.
Of bigger concern is the huge increase in Parkinson’s Disease and Motor Neuron Disease, possibly explained by BMAA, a toxin released by blue green algae. It can be airborne, there are correlations with living near some lakes and MND. It also has implications beyond MND:
Note though that Alz prevalence is declining, possibly due to smoking cessation and improved CVD control.
I had the misfortune to exist in one of Beryl Gladyschlocklian’s “LGA of Obsessions”.
So did I /still do but had no effect on me cos I didn’t care! .. one of the joys of old age none of the threats, mandates or gummint bleatings had any affect on me .. wasn’t working so no job concerns and living in one of Fairfield’s ethnic enclaves well aware that plod wasn’t doing any special plodding other than a coupla show efforts for the media down around the main shopping precinct (remember media pix of plod nags .. no mention that they were in quiet, rarely, walked off-streets but looked good for the Tele/Hun ect ..) ..
Never jabbed or any plans to be but never cared about other folks choices for whatever reason .. As far as I’m aware all my kids and most of the grandees had at least one jab but that was their or their parents decisions and they all knew better than bring the subject up with me .. LOL!
Carried a mask (same one for 2 years!) very rarely wore it … travelled where and when I liked (by bike) during all the “thou shalt not go further than …. ” BS including several times a week to visit my youngest, working from home, in Blacktown (well outside my “allowed” distance) cos she was afraid to drive to me in case she got stopped …
I never believed it was anymore than another version of the “flu” .. I may or may not have, actually, had BAT FLU cos I never, ever got tested but lotza folk did and now, apparently, not only do lotz regret complying but also lotz more pretending they didn’t comply ……
until the next time which I’m guessin’ will be … rinse & repeat yer gummint knoze best dunnit! .. LOL!
The gruesome surrogacy trade….from The Oz…
‘Women locked in Greece baby factory jail’
At least one surrogate mother from Georgia involved in the birth of a newborn baby to an Australian couple this month spent the bulk of her pregnancy in a dark flat, under prison-like conditions and ordered by her handler not to leave or talk to anybody.
“They have empty faces,’’ said one neighbour who lives next door, describing the young women, all of whom are pregnant or recovering from giving birth and believed to be from rural areas of Georgia.
The neighbour detailed the apparently lonely and miserable existence of the women in the Chania building, which she said was only punctuated during the evening when it was dark and several men arrived.
“I used to think they were their boyfriends, but now I am not so sure,’’ said the neighbour. “This trafficking case is very unsettling.’’
The grim lives of these young women, some still teenagers, have been exposed with the eight-month investigation and extensive police raid of the Mediterranean Fertility Clinic in Chania, Crete this month.
While two Australian families have been able to take their newborns from the hospital and are finalising documents to allow them to obtain an Australian passport to fly home, the future of the surrogates, the victims in this extraordinary story, is unclear.
Certainly the reality for the surrogates is very different to the assurances given by the clinic’s leaders: director and gynaecologist, 73-year-old Ionnis Giakoumakis, embryologist and scientific director Danny Daphnis, 44, clinic secretary Katerina Dimotaki, 41, and; a 38-year-old woman known as the “fixer” who would liaise with the surrogates. All four are in a Greek prison on remand, and a complex trial is not expected to be listed for hearing until 2025 at the earliest. Another five have been released on bail.
Police allege the women were brought to Crete under false pretences, and made to undergo hormonal treatments, egg extraction and insemination for surrogacy. This was made possible because foreign parents, especially those in far-flung Australia, would have the barest interactions with the surrogate mothers.
One surrogate is known to have undergone embryo transfer process 10 times before she became pregnant. Others had the highly uncomfortable egg retrieval procedures on at least four occasions, police have found.
This distancing of parents from the surrogates was a deliberate policy by the clinic, which meant in at least one known case involving an Australian couple, there were no contact details for their surrogate. They had to send messages to her through clinic “gatekeeper” Ms Dimotaki.
For some couples this third-person approach was ideal. One couple had not even told their closest family members they were using a surrogate and the woman who carried their child was to have no relationship or further part in their lives. Others had pressed for more information and expressed concern about their surrogate, but were fobbed off by the clinic’s staff.
One Georgian surrogate, given the pseudonym Anna by the Hellas Postsen, said she only knew the first names of the intended parents and that they were from a foreign country. “When I gave birth, they sent gifts and thanked me. However, too many girls have no idea of the fate of the children they conceived, as they did not know who they would end up with.”
The Georgian surrogates feared they would get in trouble with Greek police for overstaying their three-month visas and a man known as “the Georgian” would be angered if the discovered the women went outside after dark for more than a few minutes. No one was allowed to visit them.
Even when the intending parents arrived in Chania when the birth was imminent, their accommodation was arranged by the clinic some kilometres away from where the surrogates were housed and any meetings would be at the clinic or the hospital, under the supervision of clinic staff.
The women were housed in 14 different apartment blocks around Chania, and paid €200-€600 ($300-$1000) a month for expenses. A baby bonus – usually another €2000-€6000 – was paid upon delivery of a healthy baby. The total payments of around $10,000-$20,000 were promoted as a chance for surrogates to financially “get ahead” in their own country, but after having one baby they would be under pressure to become a surrogate again.
The intended parents, meanwhile, would face costs for the “altruistic surrogacy program” of more than $150,000 and in some cases more than $200,000.
The Australian has been told the two Australian couples who were DNA-matched and allowed to remove their babies from the Chania hospital over the weekend have ensured their surrogates have a place to live and are being cared for. The couples have not responded to a request for comment.
Chania locals only knew that pregnant women had been regularly housed in this building, a few blocks from the four-storey fertility clinic, because occasionally one woman would sneak out and go to the shop across the street and order four takeaway coffees.
“They were there,’’ a neighbour said, “but they don’t open the door to anybody, especially the authorities. They keep those shutters down all year, all day. The only time we might see them is in the evening when one might duck out for a quick cigarette, but they go back inside very quickly … they seem very frightened.”
It is believed as many as four women slept in one room.
No one answered the door on several occasions The Australian knocked.
However, a local Greek newspaper interviewed one of the surrogates from an unknown eastern country. “If we did not comply we risked being sent back to our country, we were under constant surveillance,” the woman told Ta Nea. “Many girls I lived with were not mentally ready for pregnancy, some were clearly depressed.’’
The Australian approached a Romanian surrogate who did not want to talk, only waving her hand dismissively and saying “tired’’.
Other surrogates were lured from Moldova, Bulgaria, Albania and Bulgaria. In the eight months of their investigation, police uncovered 182 women who had been used by the clinic. Seventy-one women had eggs removed and 98 women had became surrogate mothers. Some were used for both.
Complicating the case is the clinic’s poor record-keeping, and alleged fraudulent documents given to the courts, which police fear could have resulted in embryos being used illegally by other childless couples.
Police told the court a week ago there were 13 cases of illegality involving the surrogacy program, but this has already expanded to 25, police prosecutor Nikolaos Zdragkas said.
Obscene.
John H
Read this today.
Gut issues could be early sign of Parkinson’s disease
Precisely the problem with mandating “medicine” without proper testing.
And that is the whole thing.
A drug which wasn’t tested was rolled out to protect the public against a common cold which was never lethal.
Yet people took it to continue their social life, to continue overseas travel,, to continue employment.
If that is not a red flag on your personal freedoms, which we couldn’t travel interstate FFS*, then we have gone down an abyss from which there is no recovery.
Cats – at this point, I’ll defer to Elvis … 😕
sancho, lemme guess … Lego wanker tugging his tiny Lego cock?
Mark me as a dissenter against the above low blow against St Rabz.
The drugs were tested. Whereas, there is approx ten years research in testing new vaccines this lot were sped through the system with minimal testing. But there was testing done.
“My entire life has been a very unfunny joke.”
No it hasn’t, you have a job, a home and you have good friends.
Ah, Sunday nights …
Thanks, Cass – the last in the comment above being the most important.
Rabz> there will be future days
Saw the sharp end in Korea. Respect. On the other hand he was one of the battalion commanders who got those obligatory DSOs in Vietnam. I’m amused by what someone has put in his wiki.
Those quotation marks must sting…
The drugs were tested. Whereas, there is approx ten years research in testing new vaccines this lot were sped through the system with minimal testing. But there was testing done.
JC all drugs have been tested for at least a decade, maybe 2 to decide safety and efficacy?
I was born after the Thalidomide debacle. How did that ever get approved?
Didn’t the Australians used to poke fun at the Yanks for their habit of pinning medals on all and sundry?
Top of the page. I doff my cap.
Sacré bleu! I’ll never complain about schlockdowns again, Cats …
BB, Thalidomide is still in use. (As I understand it)
China Porn in this weekend Barron’s.
Worse than the 70s: really?
Read on.
China’s Economy Is Worse Now Than in the 1970s, This Analyst Says
Unlikely, IIRC, he died some years ago.
BB I had a mate that was a thalidomide kid. Had a flipper instead of one arm. A really bright guy. Recall the drug when produced the molecule wasn’t always the same shape and that caused the problem.
BJ…I was alluding to a certain other Morrison.
Which is what I said. Non-Covid vaccines are generally tested for a decade. However, as I said, these covid vaccines were tested but over a fraction of the time. You said they weren’t tested.
As for thalidomide. Shit happens at times. We’re human and humans make mistakes.
Black Ball.
This is the problem. Pharma would not invest in developing these vaccines and hastening the protocols unless the government provided legal protection. One recent example of the quest to blame Pharma for anything is that one company is currently being sued in a class action lawsuit for failing to bring an improved HIV medication to market quickly enough. Look it up on the internet. I wrote about it approximately a week ago.
Don’t hold anything against Pharma. Governments are to blame.
Ranga – Technical term is racemization. Thalidomide was fine, but it turned out that it was flipped into a harmful enantiomer in the body. I don’t know what the mechanism for that was, but the mirror-image molecule was the baddie.
I hope you don’t mind a bit of chiral chemistry…
It has some useful uses, myeloma particularly.
Bizarro world : class action against Gilead.
Pardon Pharma for always being defensive.
Paul Wallee – a man unafraid to don a pair of adidas boxing boots and white Levi’s jacket when called upon to do so …
Thalidomide was originally developed in Germany(1957) and quickly became a blockbuster drug in the USA where it faced less regulation than in Europe. To ensure FDA approval a conglomerate was formed, Richardson-Merrell. Frances Kelly in the FDA looked at the trial data and knew it was too good to be true because there was no risk. The drug was approved but Kelsey kept on their case. Legal action was threatened against her by the company. Eventually so many anecdotal reports made it obvious that there was a serious problem but Merrell kept fighting to keep the drug on the market. Banned 1962.
The Song of the Cell, Siddhartha Mukherjee, pp. 142-146.
“Sliante.” I’m reading “Churchill and Son” by Josh Ireland.
Winston Churchill and his only son, Randolph, had a somewhat complicated, if tempestuous relationship, but, when it was suggested to Churchill senior that his son did not have enough money to marry, the reply was “Nonsense! All you need to be married are champagne, a box of cigars, and a double bed.”
Gerbil warming aggravates arson. Add that to the warm list.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66612781
What’s with the Godfather/Fredo clip JC?
Another book I am reading tonight …
There has been a fundamental shift in the political class. It’s professionalised, a career in its own right with a very clear pattern of how you rise in that profession. And the concern people have about the absence of ideas and the lack of fresh thinking, those things may be correlated.
Has the luck run out, David Fagan, p. 31
Of course those are correlated. Causation is also in play. When you have people going through the same processes and living like lifestyles groupthink is inevitable.
Picasso moves to Malibu at US$16,000 a month rent.
Most extraordinary!
Michael McLaren had a segment today on Bee Miles, a Sydney character who I’ve never heard of. From a well-to-do family, living on the streets and terrorising taxi (and regular drivers) by jumping in their cars expecting a free ride. Michael interviews author Rose Ellis on her new book about the character but then receives a number of calls from those with first-hand experience.
If you want to listen: https://omny.fm/shows/2gb-weekends/bee-miles-australias-famous-bohemian-rebel-and-the (22:49)
Any Cats with experience?
I was thinking about that today.
WA Libs and Nats have suddenly flipped from Yes to No on da Voice.
Why?
What’s changed?
Nothing except the polling numbers.
The LNP is full of them. Career politicians who seem equally happy to be in opposition as government, as long as they are advancing personally and racking up the superannuation.
See also Prosecutto, John.
Not personally, no, but she was the terror of Sydney taxi drivers, with her refusal to pay the fare, and in 1955, she took a taxi from Sydney to Perth, and paid several hundred pounds for the fare.
Kinda hard to believe any taxi driver at all in 1955 would accept such a fare. What would it be, four weeks at least? Had to’ve been paid for both directions. And a drum of petrol in the boot. The Nullabor must’ve been a goat track in 1955. Princely sum but.
My old dad tells of some trips they did as kids with the family, up the coast from Sydney. About the same year. It was Charlie country.
Certain soft cheeses VERBOTEN for pregnant women
Due to evidence of problems over many years ….
COVID vaccines … Not really tested,rushed,redefined, experimental
What could go wrong?
Five hundred pounds for four weeks work in 1955……
A bit of depression around so I thought I’d put in a real cute owl to cheer everyone up.
That’s enough to make any man swear to a life of chastity, crushed ice, cricket and chamber music.
A bit of self-pity from certain parts surfacing on this august journal of record today, apparently.
Again, it appears to be someone else’s fault.
Jesus wept cohenite.
That’s not even a real photo. It’s a dude, and a CGI dude at that.
God.
Along with penis length estimate.
Yes, 500 upticks to Cassie, well-deserved for excellent summarising and straight talk.
As for being lost without work, when I retired at 60 over 20 years ago I wondered what the hell I was going to do with my life now, apart from never go back to the university sector from which I had happily fled. I had no financial need to work, and Hairy, ten years younger, was still in full top career mode. I could usefully be his wife at functions but otherwise he was busy daytimes, with 7am meetings and often not home till 7pm. So I did two years of intensive telephone counselling of distressed people two full days a week, and felt pretty useful doing that, but wrung out and burnt out after two years of it, having many of my own family making demands on me too then.
Additionally, we travelled a lot for Hairy’s work after that time, and it was while on a quick visit to Sweden that I found the name of Arthur in an ancient gravesite museum and started to chase that name in Britain. Suddenly I had a project, which is what every retiree needs in life, a reason to get up in the morning. Doesn’t matter what it is.
With Hairy now, it’s travel which is why Covid was such a blow. We’re now making up for lost time. He’s busy at this minute booking us flights all over South America early next year once we’ve been dumped by a Caribbean cruise that sails south and ends at the top of the Amazon. I thought it might be fun, he says calling out to me down the hallway as I write this, to see some of the back-country in Argentina. Yes dear, I say. That sounds lovely. But not in a donkey cart, please.
I guess we can thrash out the details later.
Been to outback Argentina, twice, once an epic overland from Valparaiso in Chile to B.A.
I reckon it’s magnificent. And a culture and way of living which is as foreign to Australia as anywhere else on Earth.
She got into my Dad’s car once in the city. Asked him to take her a mile down the road.
He said she quoted Shakespeare at him the whole time and that she was crazy. He was not an easy person to boss around so she must have had considerable charisma.
That’s intriguing, Wally. Any further details?
Or perky tats.
She might of had perky tots
I had a vague recollection that it was ok ifor population in general but not during early stages of pregnancy?
Jebus wept and Moses crept cohenite.
Any lad clicking that link with thoughts of tumescence would soon get brewers droop
Bedtime. Attapuss has his dental operation tomorrow morning at 8.30.
Poor little kitty is now on a pre-op fast. He hated fasting last Tuesday on our first attempt to get him done, whinged at me for food the minute I got up. I won’t be able to give him anything in the morning tomorrow and once bitten, he’ll be twice shy; I bet he will resist going this time.
I amused myself this afternoon, btw, by looking for half an hour at a compilation video of dogs resisting going to the vet. A huge Great Dane, for instance, playing dead at the door and having to be manhandled in. And terrified squeaking Chihuahuas and sobbing Bloodhounds Poor creatures. Hairy reckons I’m sometimes like a recalcitrant hound when accompanying him on some of his more brisk walks. You have longer legs and better motivation, I say, pointing out the inherent unfairness.
That’s a bloke, Cohenite. Bad luck.
MatrixTransform
Aug 27, 2023 6:32 PM
That is the way I remember, a staunch advocate for the government stand was she.
Now backtracking at a pace, that would win an F1 race.
People here either have a bad memory or displaying their like or dislike of the person by their comments.
Others maybe just rallying for the sisterhood.
Yeah not the best look. Shannon Deery reporting:
Johannes Leak.
Mark Knight TDS.
A.F. Branco.
Gary Varvel.
Michael Ramirez.
Bob Gorrell.
Al Goodwyn.
Henry Payne.
Ben Garrison.
Thanks Tom.
Tim Blair in today’s Tele:
BIDEN BURNS HIS BOGUSCARING
ELDER CREDIBILITY
TIM BLAIR
US President Joe Biden, said to be an empathetic, sensitive fellow, tells Hawiian survivors about the terrifying time a few years ago when his kitchen got a little warm. Picture Mandel Ngan/AFP
As Donald Trump was being arrested in Georgia last week, US President Joe
Biden’s official X account sprang into action.
“Apropos of nothing,” it cheerfully announced, “I think today’s a great
day to give to my campaign.”
Now, I’m no ABC-approved fact checker or government-appointed
misinformation analyst, but it may well be that Biden was not the author
of that little note.
Consider the evidence.
Firstly, operating an effective online account requires a basic awareness of
one’s surroundings and an ability to place events in some form of broader
context.
That’s Biden out of the frame almost immediately.
Secondly, when it comes to campaign donations, Biden has little need to
beg. Why would he, when President Joe can always draw from a plentiful
“10 per cent for the big guy” fund set up by his methed-up moneybags son
Hunter?
And thirdly, Biden in his present diminished condition would likely not
use the word “apropos”. Even hearing it, he’d probably think someone
was offering him some apples. Or ropes. Or apes. And he’d say yes to all
three.
Yet the mystery of who wrote Biden’s social media message may never be
solved. Particularly because the mainstream press, generally supportive of
left-leaning politicians, is wedded entirely to their darling Joe.
It’s a long-observed truism that, in US media terms, bad things are caused
by conservative Republican politicians. They’re active agents of badness.
By contrast, bad things merely happen to lefty Democrats, the media’s
eternal angels of innocence.
Trump was therefore blamed for Covid. “The US president’s actions have
exacerbated the pandemic that has killed more than 200,000 people in the
United States,” Nature magazine howled in October 2020.
The journal claimed Trump “rolled back environmental and public health
regulations, and undermined science and scientific institutions”.
“Some of the harm,” Nature warned, “could be permanent.”
But Biden then took Trump’s place, and the great healing began. Except it
didn’t. Under Biden, who had the advantage of multiple vaccine
availability once he came to office, people kept on dying at rates that were
the same or worse.
After Biden hit the same Covid body count in the same pandemic time
frame as did Trump, a December 2021 Washington Post opinion piece
remarkably excused the former but excoriated the latter: “President
Biden’s competent, ‘adult in the room’ approach to the pandemic has now
killed nearly as many Americans as President Donald Trump’s pandemic
infantilism.”
Identical outcomes. Different verdicts. It’s an established pattern.
It’s extraordinary that formerly respectable mags like Nature and Scientific American have degenerated to nothing more than marxist propaganda for the rotten, decaying western establishment.
Then you have a faulty memory empty.
I poured scorn on ludicrous claims about a new world order, the virus didnt exist, didnt kill anyone, freemason plots, half those vaccinated already dead, and all the other giddy excesses from the perpetually frothing.
I was accused of all sorts of nonsense including the police being given my vehicle registration so I could drive across Melbourne unrestricted but then you never got pulled over either did you?
Oh and demands that other people in high risk categories from covid not get vaccinated because it’s all about mestruth.
three marines killed in that NT crash. AUSTRALIAN Paywalled
more ABC climate changy
apparently Shaq was supposed to do a series of videos supporting voice but has pulled out. Bit odd not choosing an Aboriginal sports star.
Blot in today’s Tele:
WHEN RECONCILIATION GETS THE
WRONG END OF THE STICK
ANDREW – BOLT
Daniel Ierardo went along with this “reconciliation” movement – right up
until Jesse Gardiner broke his skull with a didgeridoo.
Welcome to a story that seems a metaphor for where we’re heading with
Labor’s Voice to Parliament.
Ierardo, a Richmond fan, went to the AFL’s Dreamtime at the ’G match
last year and sat through those rituals meant to convince us the best way
to come together is to separate by race.
So there was a “welcome to country” ceremony and paying of respects to
elders past, present and emerging, whether they deserved it or not.
Aboriginal dancers did their thing, and some waved wooden clubs in a
mock war challenge. Richmond players knelt in supplication.
The AFL could hardly have done more to make Aboriginal viewers feel
appreciated, even hiring Jesse Gardiner, who also identifies as Aboriginal,
to play his didgeridoo for fans outside the MCG.
Sure, Gardiner’s Facebook picture showed him giving the middle digit, but
he’d performed in other “reconciliation” events, including a Dandenong
City Council one for children.
But it seems reconciliation has a limit and Gardiner reached his own at
game’s end. He was among about 10 people who swarmed Ierardo outside
the MCG in what police called an unprovoked attack.
Gardiner then smashed Ierardo’s head with a swing of his didgeridoo,
causing the 25-year-old to collapse face first to the path.
It could have been fatal. Ierardo’s skull was fractured in two places, his
nose and eye socket were broken and he suffered bleeding on the brain. It
took him six months to recover and he hasn’t worked since.
What’s more, Gardiner jabbed another person in the face with his
didgeridoo that night and in January, on bail, hit a hotel drinker over the
head with a baton from behind.
It won’t surprise you then that magistrate Michael King last Friday said
Gardiner had a “disturbing” history of violence. But you might be
surprised by the sentence – just 300 days in jail, of which Gardiner had
already served 218.
Ierardo’s grandfather said it seemed light, and other details might make
you think it’s no wonder it was. You might even think “reconciliation” is
delivering the opposite, with apartheid justice already … and soon
apartheid politics.
Gardiner appeared at Victoria’s “Koori Court”, just for Aborigines. We’ve
been assured it wouldn’t offer softer sentences, but it’s hard to avoid the
impression it’s set up to encourage just that.
Read on its website how it works: “Everyone is encouraged to take part in a
sentencing conversation by having a yarn and avoid using legal language.
Aboriginal Elders or respected persons may give cultural advice to help the
magistrate make a judgment that is culturally appropriate.”
Pardon? What’s so different about Gardiner’s culture in Dandenong that
his sentencing might be different to anyone of Anglo or Indian ancestry?
In this case an Indigenous elder whose Linked-in profile says is “skilled in
facilitating Therapeutic Mens (sic) Groups” was there to tell Gardiner he’d
“let himself down” on “a day of ceremony, a day to be proud”.
Gardiner’s lawyer also pointed out Gardiner was an Aboriginal artist.
Indeed, this man who’s whacked three people in the head with a weapon
has been a “cultural adviser” in jail. God spare us.
Gardiner may have been fortunate to be not just in the Koori Court, but
before Magistrate King, who studied at the Maharishi University of
Management, founded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, inventor of
Transcendental Meditation and a spiritual adviser to the Beatles from the
era of “All You Need is Love”.
Indeed, King lectures on Vedic concepts of law and “therapeutic
jurisprudence and other non-adversarial justice modalities”, which he
once described like this: “The judicial officer will greet the participant and
inquire as to the participant’s well-being. The judicial officer may ask how
the participant’s sick parent is progressing …
“Here the judicial officer demonstrates an ethic of care towards the
participant … this is a cooperative and facilitative, rather than an
adversarial and control-based approach to court processes.”
Er, and where does the man with the smashed head fit in?
Must I join the dots to this campaign for the Voice – a kind of Aboriginalonly advisory parliament?
To a campaign that suggests if only we just showed more love, then so
much Aboriginal dysfunction, including endemic violence in some
communities, would go away? If we only separated by race, we’d be united?
If you think that, reality might one day smack you in the head, too.
They’ve found the cause of the problem!
Female scientists found to be almost entirely absent from Australian high school textbooks
Apologies for the formatting but I keep getting ‘Internal Server Errors.’
I recall several years reading the Facebook page of a pale aboriginal youth from Lilydale way who had beaten another teen unconscious.
I’ll be good he said, I only have to go to Koorie Court.
Seems everyone inside the system knows its an easy run.
All about massaging those indigenous people in custody statistics.
Incidentally he was proudly displaying a photo of his unconscious victim on his Facebook page.
Gardiner appeared at Victoria’s “Koori Court”, just for Aborigines. We’ve
been assured it wouldn’t offer softer sentences, but it’s hard to avoid the
impression it’s set up to encourage just that.
When I was at school in mid 90’s, I remember the earlier versions of these courts getting coverage because there were reports of a level of violence in the sentencing.
Some chap who beat his wife was speared in the leg & another chap who did something was beaten with a club.
Looks like things have changed since 30 years ago.
Rosie
Aug 28, 2023 6:27 AM
three marines killed in that NT crash. AUSTRALIAN Paywalled
Here you go, Rosie:
Dangerous territory: marines killed as aircraft crashes during Top End mission
Military aviation investigators will travel to a remote Northern Territory island after a US military aircraft crashed on Sunday killing three US Marines and seriously injuring at least five.
They were among 23 marines on the tilt-rotor MV-22B Osprey when it crashed on Melville Island about 9.30am while participating in a multinational exercise with Australian, Filipino, Indonesian and East Timorese forces.
Five of the injured were medically evacuated to Darwin Hospital including one in a critical condition who underwent surgery soon after arriving. The other survivors were triaged at the crash scene and awaiting transport to Darwin late on Sunday by CareFlight helicopter and fixed wing aircraft.
The US Marine Corps revealed the deaths in a statement after a press conference by NT Chief Minister Natasha Fyles and NT police commissioner Michael Murphy, in which they failed to mention there had been any fatalities.
“Three have been confirmed deceased while five others were transported to Royal Darwin Hospital in serious condition,” the Marine Rotational Force Darwin said.
“Recovery efforts are ongoing. The cause of the incident is under investigation. Further details will be provided as the situation develops.”
“We do follow protocols at a time like this and the Australian Defence Force is co-operating with our friends in the United States Defence Force to make sure that we provide every assistance possible,” the Prime Minister said.
The Osprey was flying with another aircraft of the same type when it crashed.
The accident follows the crash of an Australian Army helicopter earlier this month with the loss of four lives.
It’s not the first time US Marines have died in an Osprey crash in Australia – three were killed in 2017 when one of the tilt-rotor aircraft attempted to land on a US transport ship in Queensland’s Shoalwater Bay but slid into the water.
Ms Fyles said NT Police were working with the Australian Defence Force and US authorities to respond to the “terrible incident”.
“We are well resourced and well practised in responding to emergencies,” she said.
A “code brown” was declared at Royal Darwin Hospital on Sunday postponing non-urgent cases to prepare for the arrival of more of the injured, Ms Fyles said.
“Some people are critically injured,” she said. “We have more arriving as we speak.”
Ms Fyles said the hospital’s emergency department and some of its wards were cleared to accommodate the injured.
“I feel very confident in the resources here in the Northern Territory care for these people,” she said.
“Our thoughts are with them and their families back in the United States and I want to reassure them we will give them that care,” she said.
The marines were participating in Exercise Predator’s Run, one of the biggest multilateral combat simulations undertaken in the Territory.
Ms Fyles said the crash occurred in a remote area, and there were no locals present when the aircraft came down.
Commissioner Murphy said military personnel were the first on scene, but civilian flight services were assisting in airlifting the injured marines from the remote location.
A 2km exclusion zone had been established around the crash site, he said.
There were no Australian personnel on board the aircraft, despite the close co-operation between the ADF and the US Marines.
A Defence spokeswoman confirmed Exercise Predator’s Run had been paused following the crash.
“At this critical early stage, our focus is on the incident response and ensuring the safety of those involved,” he said.
About 2500 personnel were participating in the exercise, including 500 US marines, 120 Philippines Armed Forces soldiers, 120 Indonesian Defence Force personnel, and about 50 from the East Timor‘s Defence Force.
NT Labor MP and former Australian Army commando Luke Gosling said the region’s thoughts were with “our US Allies and friends, in particular those who have been injured, and all the families”.
“We wish the injured a speedy recovery as we remember the US Marine Corps motto ‘Semper Fidelis’ – ‘Always Faithful’,” he told the NT News.
The MV-22 Osprey has a troubled history, having been involved in five fatal crashes since 2012 causing 16 deaths, according to a Marine Corps report published this year in response to a deadly accident in California in June, 2022.
It that incident, five marines died when their MV-22 Osprey suffered a “catastrophic, unpreventable and unanticipated mechanical failure”, according to a Marine Corps report.
The investigation identified a clutch engagement issue that led to engine failure as the cause of the deadly crash in June, 2022.
At the time, the Marine Corps said equipment changes had been made to the aircraft to reduce, but not eliminate, the risk of similar accidents.
“It is clear from the investigation that there was no error on the part of the pilots and aircrew and nothing they could have done to anticipate or prevent this mishap,” a statement released at the time said.
An Australian MRH-90 helicopter crashed in early August during Australia’s largest bilateral military training exercise with the US, known as Talisman Sabre.
Lieutenant Maxwell Nugent, Warrant Officer Class Two Joseph Laycock, Corporal Alexander Naggs and Captain Dan Lyon died in the crash, during Exercise Talisman Sabre.
Some human remains have been recovered from the crash, but not all of those who died are accounted for.
BEN PACKHAM FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND DEFENCE CORRESPONDENT
ANGELICA SNOWDEN JOURNALIST
Here’s a story that’s sad but true
Unfortunately, the Hywind Tampen farm in Norway is not providing clean energy to homes or cars, instead it’s powering the extraction of more fossil fuels from nearby offshore oil and gas platforms.
Thanks Beerie.
I see Faulty Memory has returned.
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Beertruk
Aug 28, 2023 6:50 AM
The Osprey has a bad reputation with the forces, due to numerous mishaps, to be polite.
Why are they still in Service?
My memory is pretty darn good. Possibly helped by the fact that on many occasions I objected to accusations made against her.
What is happening here is pretty simple. What you are remembering is another person’s (people’s) take on what she was doing/saying not on what was actually said and done. Day after day, week after week, the verballing and smearing ran on in a ceaseless chain. Every comment wove “evil rosie” into it.
After a while, accusation becomes fact. It has been tried on me also. A comment reframed, a prolonged character assassination and you’re dumped in the skip called “garbage”.
Did you know one hysterical loon accused me of “murdering” my grandson because vaxx? This is what passed for commentary in 2021.
Of course, some are so welded to the fake image that all of the above will be glibly dismissed as “gaslighting”.
I think we can safely consign Rabz, Titsoff and KevinM to either the “Misremembered” category or the “Malicious” category on this one.
I’ve made my adjudication on each one of them on that score.
Of course Calli.
I don’t lose any sleep over what various gibbering loons here think about me.
I do have a bit of PTSD about what my family endured during lockdown though.
We are off on that long promised overseas holiday in two days, after all one particular person endured through covid, and still does, I hope it’s a fantastic experience.
Gabor, I have no idea.
It seems the general rule (for aviation) is that if you throw enough money at something (generally new technology), the problems (hopefully) will be eventually fixed.
Eg:
F111
B29
Manchester which morphed into the Lancaster
CH46 Linky: Vietnam war Operational History
As it happens yes. Once. Must have been early sixties when we (Mum, Dad, three kids in back) were stuck in traffic on New South Head Road at Double Bay. Mum was an Eastern Suburbs girl familiar with the antics of Bee Miles, and suddenly urged us to lock the doors because Ms Miles was out in the traffic looking to gain entry to cars in front of us.
That is all, except I have always assumed it was spelt Bea.
“The LNP is full of them. Career politicians who seem equally happy to be in opposition as government, as long as they are advancing personally and racking up the superannuation.
See also Prosecutto, John.”
Yes, here’s a story of everything wrong with the Liberals, in every state in this country. Last night, I watched Bernardi and he spoke in depth about the rot in the SA Liberals. The SA Liberal Party has long been been a progressive cartel, run by a group of smug, pseudo progressive Liberals, names such as Pussy Pyne, Simon Bummingham, Amanda Flinstone, Dolly Downer and a few others, all of whom are more Green than Liberal. Remember Stephen Marshmallow? The unlamented former Liberal premier of SA, premier of SA for one brief term only, who lost in a landslide in March 2022? Marshmallow was also one of these pseudo Liberals who just loved to turn up at Adelaide Writer’s Festivals and sip wine and cosy up to people who’d never vote Liberal in a heartbeat, Well, Marshmallow’s chief of staff whilst premier was none other than Senator Simon Bummingham’s wife! It’s akin to Pakistani cousin marriage in Lahore and Bradfield. These pseudo Liberals have run the SA Liberals like a closed shop, and in the process they’ve destroyed the party electorally. But you see, that doesn’t concern them, because they still get their dosh, and in the process they get to be the boss and lord it over the peasants. But then along comes Alex Antic and a few others who are trying to rescue the party electorally by opening up the party to conservatives and….quelle horreur……ordinary middle and working class South Australians, and so what ensues? The inbred snooty cartel of Bummingham, Pyne and Flinstone, along with their buddies in the MSM, are now spending their time smearing those new Liberals and those attempting to be Liberals as religious bigots and extremists etc. But listen to this, and this takes the cake, the cartel of Bummingham, Pyne and the inbred others, in order to counter Antic and his “religious extremists” now want to, at preselection time, institute a rule where anyone, that’s right….anyone……not just a Liberal party member, can vote for Liberal candidates at preselection time. This is deliberate whiteanting. You simply couldn’t make this shit up.
The aforementioned inbred SA Liberals, like Sleazeman and Kean here in NSW, like Johnny Prosciutto in Victoria, don’t have a liberal/conservative bone in their body. Nup, instead the Liberal Party is simply an avenue for them to advance themselves on the greasy political pole, and to push their own far-left views on us mere mortals. Antic’s crime is that he actually holds both liberal and conservative views, and we can’t have that. All of this is now replicated across the country, in NSW, in Victoria, in QLD (where they might win next year by default, but there’s no guarantee of that).
The Liberal Party is a joke, but back to WA Liberals, the two motley Liberal reps in the lower house didn’t even have the backbone to say NO, NUP, NOPE to those disastrous heritage laws. They voted for them. They’re now backpedalling. But why trust such a party? I don’t, I can’t.
Some people claim to have irretrievably lost family relationships and friendships over Covid.
Even if that is true, they might want to direct the blame at various state Premiers and CHOs and their enthusiastic media supporters instead of a private citizen thousands of kilometres away who had zero to do with it.
There is, however, another possibility.
Given the behaviour on display of late, it is entirely possible that these relationships were deeply fractured anyway, and Covid became a convenient catalyst to pull the pin.
A wind turbine was on fire yesterday at the Codrington wind farm SW Vic.
Gearing up for a summer of fun with our renewable Zippo lighters.
calli
Aug 28, 2023 7:04 AM
Others maybe just rallying for the sisterhood.
So is mine, I remember clearly, every time someone posted a critical link about the vaccine or rules and restrictions, you could bet your life there would be an other link within minutes or hours at most from her with an opposing opinion from the same ‘authoritative government’ sources of course.
Forget about Struth, he got carried away and went over the top.
Clowns opinions don’t matter BTW.
“People here either have a bad memory or displaying their like or dislike of the person by their comments.
Others maybe just rallying for the sisterhood.”
Bullshit.
Get in your wayback machine and go find one example of support for the Victorian restrictions.
Off you go.
mong
Check out this Rosie in action
Lot 10 Lucindale dog auction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STlBspK3gkw
As I said clowns will be ignored.
KevinM
noted
mong
Correct.
Is this inherently evil? Does linking an opposing view prove endorsement of that view? Is it important to get all aspects, if only to argue them like intelligent people?
The Daily Blaarg may have a piece on nano wrigglers consuming their host. Another journal may have an opposing piece showing source material. Personally, I’d like to see both.
And there you go.
Prime example.
Includes his own quote as if it was made by calli.
This is how malicious misrembering mongs get their start.
Janet A in the Oz today…..
Harry Garside saga a modern lesson in equality of accountability
JANET ALBRECHTSEN
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We are getting dangerously close to swapping fundamental values in our criminal justice system for the Queen of Hearts’ edict in Alice in Wonderland. “ No, no!” said the Queen, to the suggestion that a jury be allowed to consider its verdict. “Sentence first, verdict afterwards.”
No one wants to imagine that women lie about sexual assault or about assault. But the dire consequences of not uncommon allegations arising from regret sex or regret relationships mean we should. Not every woman is decent; not every woman does the right thing all the time. That’s why the believe-all-women mantra is so deeply flawed. The end game of that defective belief is that due process and courts are not needed, a fair trial and cross-examination even less so.
Equality means legal consequences should attach to a liar, whether they are male or female. When people lie to police, wasting resources and time that could be better spent elsewhere, making false accusations to deliberately hurt another person, imperilling their liberty, there should be criminal consequences. If there are no consequences, we will lose faith in the criminal justice system, and, as with any other unpoliced crime, lies may become more frequent.
Harry Garside was caught in a web of lies. The young boxer with dreams of gold at the next Olympics was arrested in May, in front of cameras, for allegedly assaulting his former girlfriend, Ashley Ruscoe.
Weeks earlier, the older woman went to police after their relationship ended, on the same day the young boxer flew out of Australia to take part in reality TV show I’m a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here! in South Africa.
Ruscoe accused him of assault. Police had carried out no investigation. Ruscoe’s word was enough.
The damage from her unproven, untested allegation was enormous. Following the arrest, Garside lost sponsorships worth $500,000. Boxing Australia and the Victorian Institute of Sport, where he had a scholarship, suspended him.
Garside was fortunate enough to have two of the country’s best lawyers working on the matter. Rebekah Giles and Sue Chrysanthou pressed police to look again at the evidence. Garside had told police about videos allegedly showing that Ruscoe had assaulted him, not the other way round.
The young boxer started filming the incident when he sensed things were getting out of hand. Further evidence, in audio clips, reveal Ruscoe threatening to go to police even though she knew he had done nothing wrong. Evidence such as this…’Ruscoe: I can call the cops right now, and they will take you. This will go on your record and this will go straight to the Daily Mail and this will ruin your f..king image. I could literally with this call ruin your career, trust me’.
Garside…I haven’t done anything wrong.
Ruscoe..It doesn’t matter, Harry.
Police eventually dropped charges against Garside and instead charged Ruscoe with assault and stalking. That matter is still before the courts. She denies the charge and she is entitled to the presumption of innocence.
But many people are asking why hasn’t Ruscoe been charged with making a false statement to police. The presumption of innocence would apply to that too, and the matter would be settled as any other criminal matter should be, with evidence put to a judge, and/or jury.
If Ruscoe knowingly made a false statement to police, that is a criminal offence. It can lead to a substantial fine, time in jail and, of course, the public shame of having been shown to have lied to ruin a former lover.
The aim should always be to improve the justice system to encourage women to come forward with allegations of rape and assault so perpetrators are jailed for their crime. Not jailed on spec. Jailed on the basis of evidence, where prosecutors uphold their duty to ensure a fair trial, disclosing all evidence to the defence, to facilitate the search for truth, and where a judge allows evidence to be properly and fully tested, meaning the credibility of a complainant will be challenged. None of this is easy, but it is necessary for justice to prevail.
I am not talking about the plethora of he said/she said cases where a judge or a jury prefers the evidence of one side over another based on a proper appraisal of evidence. A failed prosecution is not evidence of lying.
I am not talking about cases where a woman makes a complaint of domestic violence and retracts it out of fear of retribution by the perpetrator.
I am talking about cases where there is substantial evidence that a woman has lied about an assault or a rape for myriad reasons, from regret sex to wanting to destroy or damage a man’s life.
As Garside’s lawyer, Rebekah Giles, told me, “There are cases where malicious lies are concocted by a party with the sole intent to damage an accused. I’ve seen evidence destroyed, tampered with, investigating police told bald-faced lies.
“I have seen this occur with devastating effect to the defendant, even if they are exonerated. The accuser, even when faced with clear evidence of dishonesty, walks away from the devastation caused with the protection of anonymity and little remorse, having achieved their intended objective of publicly smearing the reputation of the accused, who is left emotionally and financially depleted. The cost to the accused (and the taxpayers) of some of the cases I have been involved in are eye-watering.
“In cases where investigating or prosecuting authorities have been deliberately misled, police should, as a matter of public policy, prosecute complainants for making a false report. It is critical that these offenders are brought to justice so that that the limited resources of police and prosecutors are focused on genuine complaints.”
The criminal justice system is the correct forum to decide whether Ruscoe is one of those cases.
If her altercation with Garside had not been caught on video, Ruscoe would not be facing court at all. She could walk away from the devastating consequences of trying to “f..k up”, her words, her former boyfriend’s life.
If the law holds liars to account, it will help right the direction of the #MeToo movement, focusing on genuine victims who should never be tarred by the same damning brush as liars. Scarce police resources, and social support, can be directed towards protecting these victims. What exactly is there not to like about equality of accountability?”
Having beaten Dad in the rank race, I doubt that he would care one way or the other – his ego rules.
“So is mine, I remember clearly, every time someone posted a critical link about the vaccine or rules and restrictions, you could bet your life there would be an other link within minutes or hours at most from her with an opposing opinion from the same ‘authoritative government’ sources of course.”
And what precisely is wrong with that?
American authorised should be tried for crimes against humanity after what happened in Maui.
An absolute stunning level of incompetence in blocking roads and having no water.
This video is shocking.
Good morning fellow cult members!
I always love it when lefties project so heroically
American authorities. Thanks, spellwrecker.
LOL
Is he still alive?
I should have offered many more bets.
TRUMP IS STILL PRESIDENT!
Re the loss of friends & family during Covid:
Despite our refusal to be vaccinated we didn’t lose a friend or encounter any family hostility. All of them knew that we don’t make those sort of decisions without good reason & a lot of research. Despite my often tumultuous relations with my daughter, she and the rest of the family were supportive of our decision. Indeed, they all made it clear it was the pressure of work & school imperatives that affected their own decisions. They now acknowledge that we made the right decision.
Amazingly, only one friend expressed disapproval of our decision & she has recanted.Another friend, who was hospitalised with Covid & treated with Paxlovid, later was bitter when he heard the eventual admission by Pfizer that the vaccine did not stop transmission. Even so, some had boosters before travelling recently – but were embarrassed ! Idiots. All of them appreciated the fact that we did not hector them. The saddest is someone we know who is well known in medical research who is now suffering cancer. He used to laugh & call me “a recalcitrant”! We don’t talk about his illness now .
We were fortunate in discovering a group of vaccine opponents in the lower north shore where our city home is located. It was wonderful to talk with the like minded. And, of course, we had the farm to flee to. So, we were fortunate in our experience & I know how awful it was for others. Quite frankly, despite our experience, I think I have suffered a bit of PTSD from the whole experience – because it shattered so much of my beliefs in the strength of the ideals of western democracy & its essential values.
Leaving vaccines aside, I am still waiting for KevinM to provide an example of where Rosie backed the “rules and restrictions”.
Just one out of allegedly thousands.
Shouldn’t be hard.
Unless he’s a mong (which looks possible).
We are getting dangerously close to demographic collapse.
Actions have consequences.
Ruscoe will get away with it.
Well, I think Kev likes ’em subservient.
What’s your preference, Kev?
Thai or Philippino?
These liars wouldnt get very far if the police did their job.
I’m not sure they’d put a foot inside a police station if they knew their claims would be throroughly investigated, let alone they might get charged with making a false statement.
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He turned 14 the other day. His voice has become very gruff…