Open Thread – Tues 29 Aug 2023


The Destruction of Pompeii and Herculaneum. John Martin, 1822

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Beertruk
August 29, 2023 11:44 am

Linda Burney survived a “mini-stroke” after undergoing surgery for a hole in her heart in 2020.
The Indigenous Affairs Minister confirmed the medical issue had caused an alteration in her voice and, as reported by The Age, “misremembered key details of the event, including the date”.
The Age reported the 66-year-old is now “fighting fit”.

Indiginee Ngangkari not good enough for her?

John H.
John H.
August 29, 2023 11:44 am

Cassie of Sydney
Aug 29, 2023 11:35 AM
I remember reading a book about Leonard Cohen and his time on Hydra where he was very friendly with the George and Charmian. Whilst living on Hydra, Cohen was romantically involved with a Norwegian woman by the name of Marianne who inspired his wonderful song….”So long Marianne” (a great favourite of mine).

My sister spent some time there with Cohen and Co. Interesting times she said … .

BTW, wonderful version of Hallelujah by a very young British woman.

Hallelujah – Lucy Thomas

This also …

Moon River – Breakfast At Tiffany’s – Lucy Thomas

pete of perth
pete of perth
August 29, 2023 12:04 pm

What is Burney’s opinion on using white man’s magic to diagnose and rectify her medical condition?

Roger
Roger
August 29, 2023 12:04 pm
Roger
Roger
August 29, 2023 12:09 pm

What is Burney’s opinion on using white man’s magic to diagnose and rectify her medical condition?

Burney is fully assimilated.

By her own account, iirc, she didn’t even meet her aboriginal relatives until she was in her 30s.

More to the point might be the question of the prognosis of a 66 y. o. woman with a hole in her heart living in one of the remote settlements Burney is so supportive of.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 29, 2023 12:12 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Aug 29, 2023 11:22 AM
Daily Mail. Pull up the ladder, Jack, I’m all right.

Anthony Albanese gets a massive pay rise – and so does every single minister and elected federal politician as Australians struggle with the cost of living

Federal MPs get biggest pay hike in a decade
Prime Minister is now on $586,768 a year

The members of the Remuneration Tribunal (ci=overing politicians, judges, MPs, senior public servants and military officers) know who approves their well-remunerated extensions in their current positions.

MatrixTransform
August 29, 2023 12:13 pm

Incidentally, out of context quoting is just meaningless trolling

out of context … how?

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 29, 2023 12:14 pm

… covering…, should proof read!

Johnny Rotten
August 29, 2023 12:29 pm

Nobody trusts anyone in authority today. It is one of the main features of our age. Wherever you look, there are lying politicians, crooked bankers, corrupt police officers, cheating journalists and double-dealing media barons, sinister children’s entertainers, rotten and greedy energy companies, and out-of-control security services.

– Adam Curtis

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 29, 2023 12:31 pm

“BTW, wonderful version of Hallelujah by a very young British woman.

Hallelujah – Lucy Thomas

Thips also …

Moon River – Breakfast At Tiffany’s – Lucy Thomas. “. Thank you John H -she has a
sister too and their harmonies gave an angelic quality -lovely to hear

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
August 29, 2023 12:32 pm

article referenced by BoN:

because a recent U.S. federal court ruling determined that AI-generated content cannot be copyrighted, it paves the way for AI artifacts to be more widely used, copied and shared than human content with legal restrictions.

so putting two and two together and joining the dots… 1) there’s a new super-AI behind locked doors in Google which is going to take over the missile defense systems, and 2) all AI are commies.
=> We’re so screwed.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 29, 2023 12:33 pm

If you know anyone in Indo, tell them to prep for a banger EQ! ( I hope I am wrong )

We’ll get movement soon in OZ.

Makes we wonder about the 1968 Meckering earthquake as to what was going on in the North at the time.

?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 29, 2023 12:33 pm

Yeah you’re right Wally

Makka
Makka
August 29, 2023 12:34 pm

Nobody trusts anyone in authority today.

Exactly the situation in Russia and her satellites in Soviet times. And they had good reasons too.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 29, 2023 12:34 pm

By her own account, iirc, she didn’t even meet her aboriginal relatives until she was in her 30s.

Bet they loved that.

Them just going about their own lives and then hoving in upon them regaling them with tales of the unhinged racism she had experienced.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 29, 2023 12:40 pm

That’s it.
Off to the travel agent to book tickets.
See you in the Land of the Rising Sun, Razey-san.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 29, 2023 12:41 pm

…Them just going about their own lives and then her hoving in upon them…

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 29, 2023 12:42 pm

By her own account, iirc, she didn’t even meet her aboriginal relatives until she was in her 30s.

Her own mother took one look at her when she was born, and handed her over to her great aunt and uncle to raise.

Dot
Dot
August 29, 2023 12:43 pm

I told you guys Morocco was cool, it’s just their gay Muslim King went full COVIDian.

Roger
Roger
August 29, 2023 12:44 pm

Just checked…Burney would have been 29.

With a Dip Ed and a job in the Aboriginal Education Unit (Policy) of the NSW Department of Education, despite not being raised as an aboriginal.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
August 29, 2023 12:47 pm

On his twitch channel dutchsinse is predicting a follow-up M6.0+ quake in either Sumatra, Solomons, or Japan, during the next 10 days.

No sign of any prior prediction of this morning’s Bali “deep 7”.

pete of perth
pete of perth
August 29, 2023 12:49 pm

Sri Lanka Day 2. The locals are very friendly. Walking on the beach we were visited by one person trying to flog us wares, poverty is an issue. Further along a local wished us welcome to Sri Lanka. Negomgo is a suburb just north of Colombo. We are staying in a hotel among a strip of hotels along the beach. Regal Reseau. The peak season is around November so the hotel is less than half full. The plumbing works, power points are interesting in that when you plug your usb cable into the wall the ceiling fan turns on/off repeatedly. Not many high rise and lots of older buildings which look even older due to the ravages of a tropical climate. The 130 km canal built by the Dutch is still in use, mostly for fisherman to park up their small boats along the banks. Local industry is fishing with many fish laid out on mats to dry. No seagulls thankfully. There are larger vessels that go further so I was surprised to see tuna in the fish markets. No refrigeration in the markets we saw. Plenty of rubbish around, thankfully no plastic straws! Today we venture inland to see elephants. Just started raining.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 29, 2023 12:49 pm

Breaking, from the Oz.

Shane Drumgold takes legal action against Sofronoff Inquiry

By stephen rice
NSW Editor
@riceyontheroad
Updated 12:32PM August 29, 2023, First published at 12:22PM August 29, 2023

Former ACT chief prosecutor Shane Drumgold is taking legal action against the Sofronoff Inquiry, following its finding that he engaged in serious malpractice and grossly unethical conduct in the rape trial of Bruce Lehrmann.

Mr Drumgold, who resigned from his position as ACT Director of Public Prosecutions following the damning report, has listed a case in the ACT Supreme Court for 14 September.

The nature of the legal action is not yet known but Mr Drumgold is likely to be seeking to challenge the board of inquiry findings.
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The Australian has sought comment from Mr Drumgold, who has been on paid leave since he appeared before the inquiry over five days in May. His resignation does not take effect until 1 September.

Mr Drumgold conceded he made mistakes in his prosecution of Mr Lehrmann for the alleged rape of Brittany Higgins but rejected the key findings of the inquiry that he had lied to the Supreme Court and engaged in serious malpractice and grossly unethical conduct.

More to come

132andBush
132andBush
August 29, 2023 12:52 pm

No sign of any prior prediction of this morning’s Bali “deep 7”.

I’m shocked.

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
August 29, 2023 12:54 pm

But he won’t formally resign until September 1, ensuring his medical leave tops 15 weeks and around $135,000 before he enters retirement.

No shame

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 29, 2023 12:56 pm

Shane Drumgold takes legal action against Sofronoff Inquiry

Good luck with that.

P
P
August 29, 2023 12:56 pm

Seems Vivek has been swotting up on foreign policy.

America is only nominally Christian, if that, and hence it is increasingly common for conservatives to identify as non-Christian or pagan. The campaign of Vivek Ramaswamy is a good example of this. While he may preach a familiar set of conservative policies, his social and religious views sound more similar to a mid-decade liberal than a traditional Christian conservative, as he is a vocal and devout Hindu. This is not to rail against his faith but to point out that he is a glowing example of how one can be uber-conservative and non-Christian. If it is the essence of conservatism to preserve and to change slowly, and our culture is no longer Christian, no wonder our conservative movement is less than Christian. There is little Christianity in our nation to preserve!
What Exactly Are Conservatives Conserving?

Razey
Razey
August 29, 2023 1:10 pm

One of the main features of totalitarianism is criminalisation of dissent. Not too far away now!

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 29, 2023 1:10 pm

Dumbgeld doubles down on stupid.

Jorge
Jorge
August 29, 2023 1:14 pm

On Charmian Clift/ Johnston: a program on SBS last night looked at a woman trying to live off grid. She was quite striking in looks. At one point in her life she’d discovered she was adopted and set out to find her birth mother. Thrilled to find her ma was Charmian though she was long gone so no meetup possible.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 29, 2023 1:14 pm

Colonel Crispin Berka
Aug 29, 2023 12:47 PM
On his twitch channel dutchsinse is predicting a follow-up M6.0+ quake in either Sumatra, Solomons, or Japan, during the next 10 days.

No sign of any prior prediction of this morning’s Bali “deep 7”.

Prediction? Oh FFS!

Let’s do it again.

7/04/2019 — HOW TO FORECAST AN EARTHQUAKE — Fundamental principles

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 29, 2023 1:15 pm

there’s a new super-AI behind locked doors in Google

And Colonel it’s even leftier than ChatGPT, which is very lefty.

Even Worse Than ChatGPT (28 Aug)

Google AI is worse than ChatGPT about answering climate questions. It appears unable to process new information.

He tried out ChatGPT on climate stuff some time ago and found that it would start dogmatic lefty but would adapt as real world science data was provided to it. Goolag’s AI just stays dogmatic.

As per the article I linked it is GIGO all the way down, and now AIs are feeding other AIs with fake data, who are then feeding other AIs. I recall one scifi novel where they found that every time they tried to produce an AI it went insane, and had to be turned off. That’s starting to look more likely than not.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 29, 2023 1:18 pm

It’s all becoming clear as to how the latest MV-22 Osprey hit the deck in the NT:

The Marines killed in a military exercise that ended in a horror chopper crash have been named.

US Marine Corps Corporal Spencer Collart, 21, Captain Eleanor LeBeau, 29, and Major Tobin Lewis, 37, were aboard an Osprey during Exercise Predators Run on Melville Island, 80km north of Darwin.

Corporal Collart enlisted in October 2020 and served in Florida, North Carolina and Hawaii.

The 21-year-old received National Defense Service Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal and Sea Service Deployment Ribbon. He was the crew chief on board the Osprey during the exercise.

Like Corporal Collart, she also received the National Defense Service Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, and Sea Service Deployment Ribbon.

Captain LeBeau was promoted to her rank on March 1, and was the pilot of the Osprey.

Now awaiting findings that:
a. Parallel parking should not have been attempted by Captain Eleanor under any circumstances; or
b. A garbage truck 20 times larger than the Osprey was involved yet not seen prior to the stack.

duncanm
duncanm
August 29, 2023 1:21 pm

Shane Drumgold takes legal action against Sofronoff Inquiry

what a load of narcissistic drivel

Although I accept my conduct was less than perfect, my decisions were all made in good faith, under intense and sometimes crippling pressure, conducted within increasingly unmanageable workloads.

“The pre-emptive release of the Report to the media has denied me procedural fairness. It has deprived the ACT Government of the opportunity of considering my conduct objectively.

“My career has been driven by a fire burning within, lit by an early life spent surrounded by the pain of chronic intergenerational social injustice. This fire has fuelled a life that took me from a disadvantaged Housing Commission estate to an esteemed leadership role within the legal profession.

“Unfortunately, I find the fire has been extinguished, and try as I might, I cannot reignite it.

calli
calli
August 29, 2023 1:25 pm

The pre-emptive release of the Report to the media has denied me procedural fairness.

My heart bleeds for you. If anyone should be denied “procedural fairness” it’s this creep.

Lysander
Lysander
August 29, 2023 1:27 pm

Did Drumgold grow up next to Albo!?

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 29, 2023 1:34 pm

“Unfortunately, I find the fire has been extinguished, and try as I might, I cannot reignite it.

Good.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 29, 2023 1:34 pm

dutchsinse:

Premiered 52 minutes ago
No robo voice in this one! lol

This is a full 30+ min long update covering the deep M7.1 and expected spread, including a new forecast for multiple locations in the West Pacific.

Warned areas include next to the deep M7.1 in Indonesia of course, but multiple other locations including Japan, Nepal / India , Solomon Islands, Kamchatka, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and multiple locations across the USA, Europe, Asia, and the Mideast.

Simply put, across the board is a good description of where the increase we are expecting will spread… as for size, I’m looking for 1 magnitude increase across each area.

The locations named are shown in the video , too many to type out here.

This week going into next week (next 14 days) should be rough sailing on the high seas of seismic activity.

8/28/2023 — Full Earthquake Update — Be prepared for large activity this week across the board

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
August 29, 2023 1:35 pm

Darn, my mistake, dutchsinse gave a forecast 7 days earlier which was approximate to what later happened.
https://youtu.be/zq8stXjKAr8?t=801

He predicted four M6s and a larger one “right at the juncture where all the plates meet” which would be “Indonesia”. The area indicated in the centre of the video was closer to Halmahera or Sulawesi than Bali, but “Indonesia” was the only region he said by name in the forecast. This was to occur during the coming week, that being from 21st to 27th August. So the forecast at a 7 day leadtime was only off by 1000km and late by 1 day. In other words it was quite accurate for earthquakes.

I don’t know if he achieves this precision routinely.

MatrixTransform
August 29, 2023 1:37 pm

the pain of chronic intergenerational social injustice

the things you can do and say when you saddle up the Noble Cause Unicorn and ride into battle

almost invincible

… almost

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2023 1:40 pm

Shane Drumgold takes legal action against Sofronoff Inquiry

No doubt the rate/tax payers of the ACT will be picking up the tab.
Would have been the first thing in his exit package.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 29, 2023 1:44 pm

the pain of chronic intergenerational social injustice

The whole concept of “Intergenerational trauma” has a lot to answer for!

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2023 1:49 pm

Re Albo & his package.
My biggest issue is that his tax payer funded pension will end up being a formula that takes into account his length of “service” & final package.
These defined benefit programs have to be capped.

Dot
Dot
August 29, 2023 1:49 pm

So the forecast at a 7 day leadtime was only off by 1000km and late by 1 day. In other words it was quite accurate for earthquakes.

He obviously deserves many coffees.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 29, 2023 1:53 pm

Dot
Aug 29, 2023 1:49 PM
So the forecast at a 7 day leadtime was only off by 1000km and late by 1 day. In other words it was quite accurate for earthquakes.

He obviously deserves many coffees.

Ignorant f*cking idiot.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 29, 2023 1:54 pm

the things you can do and say when you saddle up the Noble Cause Unicorn and ride into battle

Only works for virgins. Shane will have trouble convincing the unicorn on that score.

Dot
Dot
August 29, 2023 1:57 pm

I’m ignorant because I doubt a forecast 1000 km away, 24 hours late, 10 times stronger than the earthquake and another three were predicted?

No.

Dutchsinse is too dumb to realise how wrong he is.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
August 29, 2023 1:59 pm

Knuckle Dragger,

Go easy on Capt Eleanor.
You try holding the plane steady with the cargo moving around.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 29, 2023 2:02 pm

Although I accept my conduct was less than perfect, my decisions were all made in good faith, under intense and sometimes crippling pressure …

Yeah, nah.
Would of taken less effort to do things by the book.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 29, 2023 2:03 pm

ABC targeted ex-commando in ‘PR exercise’, lawyer says
Jack GramenzAAP
Tue, 29 August 2023 11:45AM

Former army commando Heston Russell enjoyed an outstanding reputation before the ABC seriously defamed him to stroke its own ego, his barrister says.

Mr Russell is suing the national broadcaster over two articles, from October 2020 and November 2021, that claimed commandos from the platoon he led executed an unarmed prisoner in Afghanistan in mid-2012 because there was no room on a helicopter.

The second ABC article reported an investigation into the platoon had been confirmed by the defence department when it had not been and linked to the earlier article.

Mr Russell was named as platoon leader by the broadcaster.

He denies the allegations and is suing for damages, saying his reputation was ruined and his feelings hurt by the reporting.

His barrister Sue Chrysanthou SC told the Federal Court on Tuesday the ABC seriously harmed Mr Russell’s public standing and had admitted doing so.

The articles by journalists Mark Willacy and Josh Robertson were wrong, she said, and the ABC could not prove the allegations, forcing it to rely on a defence that publishing them was in the public interest.

Mr Russell acknowledged the publications concerned issues of public interest, but Ms Chrysanthou said that was not the reason later articles went online.

“There was a significant body of evidence which demonstrates these articles were a PR exercise,” she said.

The article claiming defence had confirmed an investigation into the platoon’s conduct was based on a Freedom of Information request being denied and the department had not provided any confirmation.

That story was merely “ego protection” for Willacy after criticism from rival media outlets he described as “bottom feeders”, Ms Chrysanthou said.

In addition, nobody could explain who was responsible for a press release accompanying the later article and why it was issued, she said.

ABC Investigations put itself forward as an “elite group of award-winning journalists” and knew its reporting would be treated as credible, requiring it to be held to a higher standard.

“There is no public interest in being lied to by the ABC about a serious allegation of murder in relation to a group of soldiers who were not afforded the opportunity to even respond,” Ms Chrysanthou said.

Closing addresses in the trial continue before Justice Michael Lee.

He said the awarding of damages could depend on whether he found Mr Russell lied in his evidence and whether his claim of hurt feelings was believed.

“I have significant reservations about accepting his evidence on any matter that is contested,” Justice Lee said.

Seems the Bench has already made up his mind?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 29, 2023 2:03 pm

Dot
Aug 29, 2023 1:49 PM
So the forecast at a 7 day leadtime was only off by 1000km and late by 1 day. In other words it was quite accurate for earthquakes.

Mmmyes.
Throw scores of predictions out there and 1 or 2 will land somewhere near the target.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 29, 2023 2:03 pm

Dot
Aug 29, 2023 1:57 PM
I’m ignorant because I doubt a forecast 1000 km away, 24 hours late, 10 times stronger than the earthquake and another three were predicted?

No.

Dutchsinse is too dumb to realise how wrong he is.

Shooting your mouth! Keep going.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 29, 2023 2:08 pm

Dutchsinse is too dumb to realise how wrong he is.

Or – or:

His subscribers (aka ‘meal tickets’) are too dumb to realise how wrong he is.

This week going into next week (next 14 days) should be rough sailing on the high seas of seismic activity.

There are 55 significant earthquakes every day. 770 quakes per fortnight.

The area indicated in the centre of the video was closer to Halmahera or Sulawesi than Bali, but “Indonesia” was the only region he said by name in the forecast.

A five second search reveals:

Indonesia is the world’s largest archipelagic state and the 14th-largest country by area, at 1,904,569 square kilometres (735,358 square miles).

At any given point, given all of the above, I could predict (or ‘forecast’) an earthquake every 14 days in the 14th largest country on Earth, and I would have a 100% success rate.

Give me cash, you gullible plebs.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 29, 2023 2:12 pm

Snapitty snap.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 29, 2023 2:20 pm

Indonesia is the world’s largest archipelagic state and the 14th-largest country by area, at 1,904,569 square kilometres (735,358 square miles).

And sitting astride some fairly active seismic zones.
Predicting earthquakes “in Indonesia sometime soon” is like a bit like backing Black Caviar at the Wycheproof picnic races.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 29, 2023 2:22 pm

I love this. Dutch and his track record is astonishing and all the f-heads come out thinking they know otherwise.

Vicki
Vicki
August 29, 2023 2:27 pm

The whole concept of “Intergenerational trauma” has a lot to answer for!

Tell me about it! Got a mouthful this morning over the phone regarding all the injustices done to her (by husband and me) over the last 50 years! The Xmas present of MG at 18, yearly OS holidays, paid for uni accomodation, assisted house buying when married, assignment of considerable inheritance in her favour…and further indulgences I am too embarassed to list…….

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 29, 2023 2:31 pm
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 29, 2023 2:33 pm

Dutch and his track record is astonishing

Yes. Yes, it is astonishing how many simpletons give him cash to be told ‘there might an earthquake within 1,904,569 square kilometres of you at some point in the next fortnight’.

calli
calli
August 29, 2023 2:41 pm

That’s disgraceful Vicki. She should be ashamed of herself.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 29, 2023 2:42 pm

Skin Deep

I’m on the sidelines in this contest, but can’t let that one by. 😀

Shakin’ Stevens – You Drive Me Crazy

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
August 29, 2023 2:42 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Aug 29, 2023 2:33 PM
Dutch and his track record is astonishing

Yes. Yes, it is astonishing how many simpletons give him cash to be told ‘there might an earthquake within 1,904,569 square kilometres of you at some point in the next fortnight’.

F-whit status confirmed.

Rafiki
Rafiki
August 29, 2023 3:11 pm

Re Drumgold
I am a bit surprised that only Feeltheburn has postulated a theory that sees a settlement of Drumgold’s suit as a payout. This is surmise of course, and I make no allegation. But after Brittany’s deal, the question arises. We’ll see I suppose.
If the suit goes to trial, we may learn whether Drumgold’s dealings with ACT government operatives were more extensive than we know now.

Vicki
Vicki
August 29, 2023 3:12 pm

That’s disgraceful Vicki. She should be ashamed of herself.

Thanks Calli. Sorry to unload. I know we are not Robinson Crusoe in these matters – as I observe on the Cat from time to time. I am tempted to ascribe her outbursts to post Covid PTSD – but they actually got through that without losing jobs or anything else.

We have two wonderful grandchildren, and are very grateful for them.

Cassie of Sydney
August 29, 2023 3:16 pm

We have two wonderful grandchildren, and are very grateful for them.

Vicki, you focus on them.

Diogenes
Diogenes
August 29, 2023 3:18 pm

Google AI is worse than ChatGPT about answering climate questions. It appears unable to process new information.

I’ve seen AI renamed as Simulated Intelligence (SI). Makes sense to me

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 29, 2023 3:21 pm

the pain of chronic intergenerational social injustice

One of the more remarkable characteristics if intergenerational trauma is that it affects later generations for more than the earlier ones far closer to the supposed trauma.

The ancestors of those poor people so crippled in our current age were far more functional, skilled, confident, and dignified than the current toddler-like mob.

calli
calli
August 29, 2023 3:21 pm

Thanks Calli. Sorry to unload.

Sometimes you just have to. And…she’s way too big to put in the naughty corner!

Enjoy those grandchildren and don’t forget to be as subversive as you can in the best possible way. Sitting and sewing or reading or talking or cooking or out in the garden doing stuff that they never do at home. You will be the treasure of their hearts.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 29, 2023 3:23 pm

Tell me about it! Got a mouthful this morning over the phone regarding all the injustices done to her (by husband and me) over the last 50 years!

It’s fashionable currently to be a victim and to persuade others to be victims too. Some people are dumb enough to buy into this and look for someone to blame. Parents are an obvious choice.

It’s a bit sad that offspring should be credulous nongs, but they often are. It is what it is, and little to be done about it.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 29, 2023 3:26 pm

Tell me about it! Got a mouthful this morning over the phone regarding all the injustices done to her (by husband and me) over the last 50 years!

It’s on nowhere the same scale, I know, but a friend of mine had teenage daughters, who were becoming rather precocious about designer labels and brand names.

Their school arranged for them to spend one term holidays, working in an orphanage in Cambodia…they returned with a completely different outlook on life….

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
August 29, 2023 3:30 pm

Re Drumgold
I am a bit surprised that only Feeltheburn has postulated a theory that sees a settlement of Drumgold’s suit as a payout. This is surmise of course, and I make no allegation. But after Brittany’s deal, the question arises. We’ll see I suppose.
If the suit goes to trial, we may learn whether Drumgold’s dealings with ACT government operatives were more extensive than we know now.

They’ve just voted themselves a 4% pay rise in the federal parliament, so stitching up taxpayers for a payout for one of their mates would not surprise. I’m guessing ‘polite’ company think that the payout for Britneh was a good thing and the same circles would point to all the usual disadvantage palaver that has been evidenced for Drumgold as the reason he was the first non silk to be appointed DPP, meaning they would likely be ok with other people’s money financing this guy’s retirement on the velvet.

I bet he takes a holiday in the Maldives shortly after, probably post it on facebook too.

Vicki
Vicki
August 29, 2023 3:32 pm

Enjoy those grandchildren and don’t forget to be as subversive as you can in the best possible way. Sitting and sewing or reading or talking or cooking or out in the garden doing stuff that they never do at home. You will be the treasure of their hearts.

Calli, my grandson was very impressed when he came to stay at the farm with his gorgeous girlfriend. I provided a picnic setting down by the creek under the casuarinas – basket with lunch of meatloaf & salad, wine, chocolates & cake that the clever girl had cooked to bring to her host! Also a blanket! Husband had to go down at nightfall to get them, beeping the horn on the Gator as he approached!!!

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
August 29, 2023 3:34 pm

How many chinese property investors are fleeing to overseas markets?
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There is no definitive answer to how many Chinese property investors are fleeing to overseas markets, as different sources may have different definitions and methods of measuring this phenomenon. However, based on some of the web search results, we can get some insights and trends about the behavior and preferences of Chinese buyers in the international real estate market.

According to a survey conducted by brokerage and investment group CLSA in December 2020, 82% of 1,600 respondents in 234 Chinese cities had no intention of buying overseas property in the next 12 months1. This suggests that the coronavirus pandemic has put Chinese buyers off international real estate, as they face travel restrictions, quarantine measures, and economic uncertainties. The survey also found that among those who were interested in buying overseas property, the most popular destinations were Australia, Canada, Japan, and Thailand1.

However, this does not mean that Chinese investors have completely abandoned the overseas property market. According to Juwai, China’s leading overseas property portal, inquiries for UK properties increased by over 213% in July 2021 compared to the same month in 20202. Similarly, Knight Frank reported a staggering £12.8 billion of Chinese investment in the UK property market over 20212. The UK is seen as a safe haven for Chinese buyers, as it offers stable legal and political systems, high-quality education, and attractive returns2.

Another market that has attracted Chinese investors is Thailand, especially its luxury properties. According to Marketing to China, Chinese buyers accounted for US$1.18 trillion of direct investments in real estate worldwide by 2020, and Thailand was one of their top choices3. The reasons for this include Thailand’s proximity to China, its affordable prices, its favorable visa policies, its cultural diversity, and its potential for capital appreciation3.

Therefore, it seems that Chinese property investors are not fleeing to overseas markets in large numbers, but rather they are becoming more selective and cautious in their choices. They are looking for markets that offer stability, security, value, and quality of life. They are also influenced by factors such as the pandemic situation, the exchange rate fluctuations, the government regulations, and the personal preferences of themselves and their families.

Is that large numbers for the China market or large numbers for the markets they invest in?
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That depends on how you define large numbers. Compared to the size of the China market, which is the world’s largest property market with a total value of US$52 trillion in 2019, the amount of Chinese investment in overseas markets is relatively small. According to the Global Chinese Real Estate Congress, Chinese outbound real estate investment reached US$29.4 billion in 2019, which was only 0.06% of the China market value.

However, compared to the size of the markets they invest in, Chinese investors can have a significant impact and influence. For example, in Australia, Chinese buyers accounted for 25% of new home sales in 2019, and they were the largest foreign investors in residential and commercial property. In Canada, Chinese buyers were responsible for 21% of Vancouver’s home sales in 2019, and they helped drive up the prices and demand in the city. In Thailand, Chinese buyers made up 57% of foreign property purchases in 2019, and they boosted the luxury segment of the market.

Bing chat couching the flight of chinese property investors to foreign markets.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 29, 2023 3:35 pm

Vicki

assignment of considerable inheritance in her favour

Time to change the Will?

Vicki
Vicki
August 29, 2023 3:35 pm

Their school arranged for them to spend one term holidays, working in an orphanage in Cambodia…they returned with a completely different outlook on life….

Actually the parents took them to Cambodia – not to an orphanage, but the grandchildren were pretty shocked with the poverty, and the condition of the cattle. The grandchildren are pretty well adjusted – its the parents (Gen Xers) who seem to have this festering resentment of Boomers.

Cassie of Sydney
August 29, 2023 3:37 pm

There’s nothing quite so fractious as a mother/daughter relationship. Only a mother can rile her daughter and only a daughter can rile her mother.

Last weekend, my mother was collecting me to go and visit my stepfather followed by a visit to my sister. I’d rushed home from Pilates and changed quickly so I could be on time for her. Anyway, I got into her car, and my mother looked me up and down and said, “you don’t have any lipstick on, you’ll need to put some lipstick on before we go anywhere”. I cannot begin to describe how my blood began to boil. I shouted at her “I knew you’d make a comment about that”, and then she shouted back at me “I’m not driving anywhere unless you put on some lipstick”. My mother really truly believes a woman can’t leave the house without lipstick.

And guess what happened, I ended up putting some lipstick on!

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 29, 2023 3:37 pm

PS, having read your later comment about your grandchildren, I should add “… Will to favour exclusively your grandchildren”.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 29, 2023 3:37 pm

I think anyone dealing with Drumgold at this point will be playing with a straight bat and looking to use the pads to anything outside leg.

Dot
Dot
August 29, 2023 3:39 pm

Wouldn’t it have been best to put some lipstick on and drive there yourself behind her?

Vicki
Vicki
August 29, 2023 3:39 pm

Boambee John – change the will?

When I said she had been “assigned a considerable inheritance in her favour” – I was referring to the entire inheritance from my parents assigned (by me!) to her. I figured husband and I didn’t need it.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 29, 2023 3:43 pm

Vicki
Aug 29, 2023 3:39 PM
Boambee John – change the will?

When I said she had been “assigned a considerable inheritance in her favour” – I was referring to the entire inheritance from my parents assigned (by me!) to her. I figured husband and I didn’t need it.

Sorry, my misunderstanding.

That would rankle.

Vicki
Vicki
August 29, 2023 3:45 pm

PS, having read your later comment about your grandchildren, I should add “… Will to favour exclusively your grandchildren”.

That would be able to be contested in court. Assigning a reasonable amount (taking into account the assets already held by the beneficiary) is a better way to go.

calli
calli
August 29, 2023 3:46 pm

Why do you hate me? I have never helped you. – Chinese proverb

I get on well with all my kids (actual ones and their spouses). We came to the conclusion long ago that all eight of us (I count the Beloved) were the most annoying people on the planet and our only hope of survival was to form an invincible bloc.

It has worked…so far.

calli
calli
August 29, 2023 3:53 pm

I bossed up my mum the other day…over the phone. Safer that way as I’d risk having my ears boxed in person.

She has a new “walker”, but was reluctant to use it. What are you going to do with it then – a line item for me in the will? 😀

Dispatched the Beloved to her place to accompany her as she waddled to the end of the street and back. She always obeys him. Apparently she was happy as a lark and had a grin from ear to ear.

One of life’s better secrets – have dependable deputies who are bigger than you.

shatterzzz
August 29, 2023 3:54 pm

It’s on nowhere the same scale, I know, but a friend of mine had teenage daughters, who were becoming rather precocious about designer labels and brand names.

My youngest visited Auschwitz whilst on a European coach tour and came back a “changed” young lady ..

Vicki
Vicki
August 29, 2023 3:58 pm

Why do you hate me? I have never helped you. – Chinese proverb

Love it, Calli!!!

I have esoteric ones on my desk like “The Light shineth in the darkness, & the darkness understandeth it not” (John 1:5) & “All is held together by the Word” (Ecclesiastics 8:4).

But I am going to add the Chinese Proverb!!!

Cassie of Sydney
August 29, 2023 3:59 pm

“I bossed up my mum the other day…over the phone. Safer that way as I’d risk having my ears boxed in person.”

My sister bosses my mother around all the time.

calli
calli
August 29, 2023 4:01 pm

I bet she’s braver than me and does it in person! 😀

Vicki
Vicki
August 29, 2023 4:02 pm

My youngest visited Auschwitz whilst on a European coach tour and came back a “changed” young lady ..

We took daughter to Dachau when she was about 10 years old. She blames us for the upset it caused.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 29, 2023 4:04 pm

– its the parents (Gen Xers) who seem to have this festering resentment of Boomers.

There is a certain element in my family tree – Gen Xers – with the same resentment – they want all the trappings – the financial independence, the investment portfolio – without doing any of the work.

Cassie of Sydney
August 29, 2023 4:09 pm

“calli
Aug 29, 2023 4:01 PM
I bet she’s braver than me and does it in person! ?”

LOL…yes she does.

flyingduk
flyingduk
August 29, 2023 4:15 pm

Anthony Albanese gets a massive pay rise – and so does every single minister and elected federal politician as Australians struggle with the cost of living

All whilst my rates went up 50%, and car and house insurance by 30% +

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 29, 2023 4:21 pm

I rang my MiL to thank her for the shirt she gave me for my birthday and told her how nice it was to have her visit. Her response was “not many would say that about their MiL”. I replied I wouldn’t say that about my own mother. We don’t tell any of our children what to do. Let them make their own mistakes.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 29, 2023 4:21 pm

Upthread it was noted that men have no feelings according to some.
Scratch that idea. Funeral today to send off a man who was 41. Cancer took him away. Grown men absolutely showed emotions which should be, well, not celebrated but acknowledgement that we do have strong emotion.
Was one of the great send offs. Vale.

calli
calli
August 29, 2023 4:22 pm

Yes, it’s good to see the government so nimbly addressing the cost of living increases. We can’t have our politicians struggling financially. That would be obscene.

Cassie of Sydney
August 29, 2023 4:28 pm

“Anthony Albanese gets a massive pay rise – and so does every single minister and elected federal politician as Australians struggle with the cost of living”

It’s a slap in the face to all of us.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2023 4:34 pm

We took daughter to Dachau when she was about 10 years old. She blames us for the upset it caused.

Pivotal moment in my life.
One doesn’t tend to whinge for quite the while after you go to camp.
Chilling.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2023 4:35 pm

Cap politicians pensions now.

calli
calli
August 29, 2023 4:37 pm

Anthony Albanese gets a massive pay rise

Trots gotta trough.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 29, 2023 4:37 pm

It’s a slap in the face to all of us.

Biggest pay rise in ten years.

“Fvck you, Jack, I’m all right.”

calli
calli
August 29, 2023 4:39 pm

Also, the pay is just so good no matter which side of the room you seat-warm…no wonder the LNP can’t be fussed actually winning.

Far easier to occupy a holding pattern of safe seats and bring home the bacon that way – maximum effect for minimum effort.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2023 4:40 pm

The Cat without upticks is like watching a sit-com without the laugh track.
I don’t know what to like or not.
Please lead the way, dickless upticks.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 29, 2023 4:41 pm

Re the pollies pay rise, they will plead that the Remuneration Tribunal is an “independent” body established with bi-partisan support to remove the controversy from Parliamentary pay rises (and those for judges and others covered by the Tribunal).

They will quietly brush over the appointment process for members of the Tribunal (appointed by the Governor-General, presumably on the advice of the Executive Council), and that their longevity in the job would then rely on the good-will of the Executive Council.

Pleas that the GG does it all off his own bat could be made, and might (or might not) have some credibility – for you to judge.

I prefer that they make the decision themselves, openly, and face the reaction.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
August 29, 2023 4:44 pm

A Marine female pilot and two others Marines die and below is the quality of the comment from KD.

Pathetic.

“Now awaiting findings that:
a. Parallel parking should not have been attempted by Captain Eleanor under any circumstances; or
b. A garbage truck 20 times larger than the Osprey was involved yet not seen prior to the stack”.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2023 4:44 pm

Just looked at the road closures for the Sydney marathon on Sunday 17th of Sept.
Geez louise.
Unless you’re participating, a good day to stay put.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 29, 2023 4:52 pm

Re the pollies pay rise, they will plead that the Remuneration Tribunal is an “independent” body established with bi-partisan support to remove the controversy from Parliamentary pay rises (and those for judges and others covered by the Tribunal).

Uniparty swampies like to pay themselves well.

The Remuneration Tribunal should be made up of a pensioner, a DSP recipient, a tradie, a fish and chip shop owner, a publican, a stay at home mother, and a mine worker.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 29, 2023 5:01 pm

“Now awaiting findings that:
a. Parallel parking should not have been attempted by Captain Eleanor under any circumstances; or
b. A garbage truck 20 times larger than the Osprey was involved yet not seen prior to the stack”.

Aha:

Pathetic.

c. The captain was doing her lippy at the time;
d. A stiletto heel slipped on the ‘go’ pedal;
e. She mistook an MV-22 Osprey for a Honda Jazz;
f. A daddy longlegs appeared on the dashboard; or
g. She ignored the mansplaining.

Rabz
August 29, 2023 5:09 pm

they will plead that the Remuneration Tribunal is an “independent” body established with bi-partisan support to remove the controversy from Parliamentary pay rises

They always bleat that refrain – yet for some inexplicable reason, controversy inevitably ensues once people find out. Then again, what did those useless frauds at the ALPBC just gift themselves? Oh, that’s right

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 29, 2023 5:25 pm

Anthony Albanese gets a massive pay rise

He’s been in the line for a while now. No one in front of him left. Getting to the real dregs of R-G-R.

calli
calli
August 29, 2023 5:37 pm

Anthony Albanese gets a massive pay rise

Meanwhile, the elderly rot in their homes waiting for something as simple as a cleaner.

My Aged Care is a bureaucratic failure (is there ever a success).

In the end, we’ve just decided to pay for a cleaner from mum and dad out of our pockets. There are many people who aren’t in that position. But it has been an interesting experiment in testing the wonders of government “services”.

Meanwhile the expensive ads still run on TV. False advertising of course, but try applying the same blowtorch that’s used on private businesses.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
August 29, 2023 5:37 pm

Ditch the renumeration tribunal and allow the pollies to set their own salaries. Effective only on day one of the next term.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 29, 2023 5:44 pm

How to run a country into the ground. A Trot, a Dim Chalmers, oh I forgot the Dr, write a book about a bloke who also ran the country into the ground and likes clocks to get it, a turtlehead that believes in fairytales, add other useless parasites who have form in not having a clue and 90% of the voters who think Googlebox is real and there it is. As I’ve said before the kittahs here could run the country before smoko better and thats without trying. Time for gardening, pilates, cooking, looking after loved ones, whats not to like. Leave it to us blokes to make things.

JC
JC
August 29, 2023 5:46 pm

Dover

There was a recent issue between Russia and China over the use of Yuan. Russia has been accumulating Yuan from sales of oil etc. Russia wanted to convert the currency in order to pay for other imports, but the Chinese informed them that they could only use those funds in China for Chinese goods.

This shit is not going to work and can’t work. The ghoulish Chinese regime is absolutely sucking them dry.

Putin needs to stop the war, get on his hands and knees, apologize profusely to the West for causing all this trouble, and beg to be allowed back into the community of nations. He needs to get on his hands and knees, sobbing tearfully, because of the asshat he’s been for the past couple of years. This relationship with China is simply not going to work, as they’re gouging Russia at every turn. Trump will forgive him, but I’m not sure he can wait though.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
August 29, 2023 5:46 pm

My Nanna went into Inala village in Blackburn South (run by the Salvos) of her own volition after my grandfather died in the second half of the seventies and always seemed happy with her choice until her body gave out just beyond the century mark. Many of her friends were there before her.

I remember getting to see the telephone switchboard – complete with operator and lots of sockets, plugs and cables. Direct-dial was subsequently installed.

What happened since then?

Rosie
Rosie
August 29, 2023 5:53 pm

Drumgold spent a fair bit of time in office arguing (unsuccessfully) for pay parity with the Supreme Court judges and for ‘judges super’.
His claim of lack of procedural fairness would pretend that he wasn’t able to respond to the adverse findings notice during the enquiry (he was).
I have no doubt his separation arrangements weren’t being cooked up for at least several weeks before the report was tabled.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2023 5:58 pm

Chalmers is anti productivity.
Keating was all about raising productivity.
Chalmers is nothing like Keating.

JC
JC
August 29, 2023 6:02 pm

If this is true he will return, but if its isn’t, he’ll stay on the present course.

It is true – all of it, and he will return with that bushy tail down and in between his hind legs. The Russian economy is being bulldozed by the Chinese ghouls. He needs to realize that the only friends he really has are the US and the other parts of the West. BRICS is total bullshit that can’t work and the mighty greenback reign supreme even with a corrupt dunce in the White House.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 29, 2023 6:03 pm

In the end, we’ve just decided to pay for a cleaner from mum and dad out of our pockets.

Been doing that for quite a while for my old mum. The plus is that the cleaners are a nice family and my artist mum has been helping their teenage daughter with her art interests. They also keep an eye on her, which I can’t do being several hours away by car.

When she had a fall earlier this year and ended up in the local base hospital she wound up in the rehab ward. I was visiting and was talking with her and mentioned her cleaners had arrived while I was there. Elderly lady in bed opposite calls me over. She’d been trying to get someone, anyone, to clean for for ages, straight fee for service since she could pay. Hadn’t been able to find anyone. So I gave her my email and then passed on the contact details of the family with the cleaning business. I don’t know what then transpired, but it was an interesting datum.

Today I was at the shopping centre, walked past a dollar shop. They had several staff wanted adverts stuck to the inside of their windows. I was wondering to myself why so many shops are having trouble getting staff. And old people getting cleaners, even when they can pay. I don’t know why.

cohenite
August 29, 2023 6:03 pm

Watters asserting that biden personally supervised the DOJ’s prosecutions of Trump because Trump becoming POTUS again was a threat to democracy. Apart from the sickening irony of this I’m in 2 minds about it. There is no doubt biden is an absolute creep and would have no hesitation doing this. But his dementia is advanced so other shits must be largely running things.

JC
JC
August 29, 2023 6:04 pm

dover0beach
Aug 29, 2023 6:00 PM

The other thing is I don’t believe half the stuff that is said about China.

Oh yeah, the Chinese wouldn’t dream of taking advantage of the situation, because they’re so decent and above board.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 29, 2023 6:04 pm

Increasingly I think Hawke/Keating were just the beneficiaries of the global effects of the general Reagan/Thatcher period. Albo and Chalmers won’t be so lucky and if China falls out bed it could be positively ugly.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 29, 2023 6:06 pm

My Aged Care is a bureaucratic failure (is there ever a success). All designed to ensure the bureaucrats never having to get off their arses to see what’s really happening and of course designed to ensure the “disservice providers” make as much money as possible. Wherever there is a human need there are the leeches sucking the system dry while those in need of help put through the worst when they are in the worst of circumstances.

JC
JC
August 29, 2023 6:07 pm

But his dementia is advanced so other shits must be largely running things.

He knows what’s going on and would’ve given the greenlight. Dementia wants him dead because it’s the only way he can stay in office under his personal circumstances otherwise the party would nix him in a flash.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2023 6:08 pm

Wherever there is a human need there are the leeches sucking the system dry

It’s what Australia is built on.
Government granted licence & cartels.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 29, 2023 6:08 pm

Nor were the remaining all of that arrested mental development at the level of the twelve-year-old boy which manifests itself as the military mind. Most of my scraps with representatives of the Pentagon in the past were really seated in my disgust, tinged perhaps with a touch of horror, that grown men not only could allow their mental and spiritual development to be arrested at that juvenile age of running in gangs, hero-worshiping, losing one’s identity in marching conformity, hiding immature fears and weaknesses behind the bravado of brass and braid; but actually advocated this pitiful deformity as a way of life for others; and, indeed, brought all the weight and power of their massive gang disapproval to bear upon any who wished to outgrow such juvenile levels of value. I knew there were still others. Not many, of these, for there was not room for many; and the sheer ferocity at this level kept their numbers from multiplying. To these Power was an end in itself, a compulsion, an addiction. Perhaps their need and fright was greatest of all, for only by acquisition of Power could they still their doubts that they were any different from the common domesticated herds of people. Only by applying and directing the aims of Power could they ensure their own security. Only by keeping the herd confined to its accustomed pastures, using their herd at will as does the farmer, could these men be assured theirs was the role of farmer instead of his cattle. It had always been. It did not matter what the surface system of government was called in the fad notions of the time. There are those who milk, and those born to be milked; those who slaughter, and those who line up for the slaughtering.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
August 29, 2023 6:10 pm

That was from a sf story by Mark Clifton. He understood the military and government.

cohenite
August 29, 2023 6:10 pm

Got a rise out of Origin today on talkback. I said their plan to close Eraring and replace it with a 420MW battery which would power Newcastle for 2 hours was straight out of the cannon-brookes playbook. I then went on to describe the bearded bastard’s destruction of AGL with Liddell closing, Bayswater which is only slightly smaller than Eraring, to be closed well ahead of schedule, Loy Yang as well and that the snot had stopped them from dividing their fossils from their other assets so someone else could not take them over and keep them running.

Origin apparently thought I said cannon-brookes had done this with them and denied he had any involvement with them. Brent Bultitude read out their indignant email with some amusement.

calli
calli
August 29, 2023 6:10 pm

It’s being gamed too, Tinta. I know a couple who are getting gardening and cleaning services because they have been assessed as needing them.

They don’t. Why do I know? I’m ashamed to say they’re family members.

calli
calli
August 29, 2023 6:14 pm

Just watched Sleazy handball a difficult question about airline competition to his Transport Minister.

You’re the Prime Minister you unutterable skunk!

JC
JC
August 29, 2023 6:15 pm

H B Bear
Aug 29, 2023 6:04 PM

Increasingly I think Hawke/Keating were just the beneficiaries of the global effects of the general Reagan/Thatcher period. Albo and Chalmers won’t be so lucky and if China falls out bed it could be positively ugly.

Bear, I met up briefly with a bigtime property developer as I was coming out of a cafe this arvo. I’ve met him through other friends but don’t really know him that much. The dude is big time. We got to talking and I asked him what he was up to, and he described the various developments. I asked him if he was worried about China. He appeared to have no freaking idea. It shocks me how folks make so much money as it appears to be pot luck at times. I can’t imagine any investment of a meaningful size where I can’t exit in a split second. These dudes have lead time of years over years. How would you not know about stuff like this when the impact could be massive? Even if you can’t pull the trigger and get out, you don’t know the biggest macro risk currently working its way through the system? it just shocks me.

Muddy
Muddy
August 29, 2023 6:17 pm

Random thought: As electricity ascends from the everyday to the luxury category, especially for those with a fixed income, will we see a measurable increase in hospitalisation due to falls in the home? Anecdotal evidence suggests that such accidents amongst old duffers can exacerbate other medical conditions, leading to long (expensive for the taxpayer) stays.

Might those Year Zero feckers be contributing to the drain on the public purse in other areas (like the already sick health system), and is anyone likely to put 2 and 2 together?

Oracle question of course.

MatrixTransform
August 29, 2023 6:18 pm

intergenerational trauma

yeah, yeah … all caused by epistemic violence

bought the kid an MG ?

bad parent vicki … bad parent

calli
calli
August 29, 2023 6:19 pm

Oh….and here’s a distraction squirrel. The land of the Long White Shroud as our seventh state.

It will be aliens next. Anything to take the focus off that despicable pay rise.

calli
calli
August 29, 2023 6:21 pm

Lol. I’m Rabz-ing in his absence.

Is it too early for some HOPs and earth salting? 😀

Muddy
Muddy
August 29, 2023 6:25 pm

Oops. Didn’t see Bruce’s comment before I posted. No connection. Apologies if my dribble was a little callous, Bruce.

Johnny Rotten
August 29, 2023 6:26 pm

But his dementia is advanced so other shits must be largely running things.

And the ‘other shits’ are the Neocons who are the US Warmongers

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 29, 2023 6:38 pm

I said their plan to close Eraring and replace it with a 420MW battery which would power Newcastle for 2 hours was straight out of the cannon-brookes playbook.

Minns is having a come to Jesus moment.

Eraring decision just days away (Ncl local news, 28 Apr)

A decision on the future of Eraring power station is expected within days.

A Minns Government review has recommended the life of Australia’s largest coal-fired plant be extended… but hundreds of local workers are still waiting for something official.

If Labor in NSW are thinking like this it means the poop is about to hit the fan in great torrents and they don’t want it to splash onto them. Which is interesting since their Federal Labor colleague Mr Bowen is pushing hard for the poop fan torrents spraying.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 29, 2023 6:39 pm

CCTV reveals Lib MP office trashed by Voice supporter

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By geoff chambers
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6:17PM August 29, 2023
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A voice supporter has been charged after ­allegedly trashing the office of federal South Australian Liberal MP Tony Pasin, ­attacking the No campaign as “bullshit” and verbally abusing ­female staff in front of a 15-year-old work experience student.

The Australian has obtained CCTV vision of the man entering the Mount Gambier electorate office, before allegedly berating the two female staffers, and shoving piles of flyers off the reception front desk.

Following reports of a disturbance last Thursday, police dusted for fingerprints and patrols searched the area but were unable to locate the man.
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A South Australia Police spokeswoman said “a man was reported to enter an ­office and yell at staff, acting in a disorderly manner”. He was caught on Monday, charged with disorderly behaviour and bailed to appear at the Millicent Magistrates Court on October 25.

Mr Pasin said his staffers were “left shaken and fearing for their safety”. He linked the incident to the referendum on a voice to ­parliament after the man allegedly shouted obscenities including that the No campaign was “bullshit”.

Ahead of Anthony Albanese announcing the referendum date at the Yes23 campaign launch in Adelaide on Wednesday, Mr Pasin said he was “appalled at the behaviour” and urged the Prime Minister and Yes23 to “condemn the actions”.

“Difference of opinion is perfectly OK. Voicing an opinion to your local MP on an issue is welcomed, but abusing staff, using ­offensive language and trashing a commonwealth office is not on,” Mr Pasin said.

calli
calli
August 29, 2023 6:39 pm

Bruce, in answer to your question…no one wants to work.

Back in the early 90’s, uni students were hoovering up cleaning and gardening jobs to augment their meagre allowances. Baby sitting, house sitting, moving piles of rocks…all the little cards in the window disappeared in an instant. Jobs filled in a day or two.

Now…bleh. Why work?

I can tell them why. All my kids worked in HS and at Uni. They are all now multimillionaires. You can’t teach it, you can only train it.

Diogenes
Diogenes
August 29, 2023 6:44 pm

Russia has been accumulating Yuan from sales of oil etc. Russia wanted to convert the currency in order to pay for other imports, but the Chinese informed them that they could only use those funds in China for Chinese goods.

The last the Chinese tried something like this, the result was the Opium Wars.

Indolent
Indolent
August 29, 2023 6:46 pm
Crossie
Crossie
August 29, 2023 6:48 pm

calli
Aug 29, 2023 6:19 PM
Oh….and here’s a distraction squirrel. The land of the Long White Shroud as our seventh state.

No way would I vote YES to that. We have ample trouble with our own indigenes there is no way I want us to have anything to do with M?oris as well. They will also want their Voice and $30+ billion per year. No, no and no.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 29, 2023 6:57 pm

No worries Muddy. Gravity sucks.

My old mum is on the pension, having been an artist almost her whole life. Art is not conducive to earning money (unless you are a lefty, which she’s not), and she has no real understanding of the concept of money anyway. I look after her finances now that my stepfather is in God’s hands. She’s very intelligent, her dad was a Prof of chemical engineering, but financial stuff just defeats her, it’s an interesting mental blindness.

On the other hand she’s been thoroughly screwed by Centrelink over many years, plus the robodebt thing, so I have no problem with her taking Caesar’s dime now. I had a major fight with Centrelink last year and they eventually surrendered abjectly. But I didn’t have the energy to chase them for previous owings. Life is too short to waste on such stupid stuff.

MyAgedCare has helped with nice ladies who take her shopping. They’re from Anglicare. So I’m not especially agin MyAgedCare, although they can be painful at times.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2023 6:57 pm

China has turned many countries in client states.
Even ones with nukes.

Crossie
Crossie
August 29, 2023 6:58 pm

Indolent
Aug 29, 2023 6:22 PM
Emerald Robinson
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Democrats are busy indicting GOP lawyers for the crime of offering legal advice to Trump — but you think you’re going to vote in a free election in 15 months?

I saw a comment on this somewhere else today where this was noted by a US person: We are now at the point where the Soviet Union was in the 70s.

If I remember correctly USSR in the 70s had a succession of decrepit septuagenarian General Secretaries who seemed to be figureheads while shadow committees ran the empire. A death of each would be suspected for ages before it was made public.

Looking at the current US president and the octogenarian congress I think the Americans are even worse.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2023 6:59 pm

As client states.
Not in.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2023 6:59 pm

Farrrrk.
Into client states.

Crossie
Crossie
August 29, 2023 7:02 pm

Johnny Rotten
Aug 29, 2023 6:26 PM
But his dementia is advanced so other shits must be largely running things.

And the ‘other shits’ are the Neocons who are the US Warmongers

I have read that Victoria Nuland and husband Robert Kalgan are directing the US foreign policy and Secretary Blinken is just doing as he is told.

miltonf
miltonf
August 29, 2023 7:07 pm

I saw a comment on this somewhere else today where this was noted by a US person: We are now at the point where the Soviet Union was in the 70s.

If I remember correctly USSR in the 70s had a succession of decrepit septuagenarian General Secretaries who seemed to be figureheads while shadow committees ran the empire. A death of each would be suspected for ages before it was made public.

Looking at the current US president and the octogenarian congress I think the Americans are even worse.

I’ve thought the same. Kerry is the one I particularly despise atm.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 29, 2023 7:12 pm

We are now at the point where the Soviet Union was in the 70s.

Add ten years. We’ve got Andropov in the White House.
And he keeps dropping off.
We won’t get a Gorbachev. No one in the West is that sane.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2023 7:14 pm

China is clearly not going great at the moment.
But I’m not ultra bearish.
They continue to buy energy at a big discount which is a huge release valve with any economy.

Crossie
Crossie
August 29, 2023 7:14 pm

Minns is having a come to Jesus moment.
Eraring decision just days away (Ncl local news, 28 Apr)
A decision on the future of Eraring power station is expected within days.
A Minns Government review has recommended the life of Australia’s largest coal-fired plant be extended… but hundreds of local workers are still waiting for something official.

On the weekend I drove past Wallerawang and Mount Piper power stations near Lithgow. Both had steaming cooling towers so they are still working. Hoping they keep going for decades until we get nuclear power.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2023 7:16 pm

If the US wanted the Chinese economy to really crater, they’d work out a cease fire in Ukraine and remove all the sanctions on Russian energy.
Russian energy discount removed, look out.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 29, 2023 7:17 pm

Wild that UK’s most lucrative export in the 19th C was opium.

They had to pay for the tea with something. There wasn’t anything the Chinese much wanted from them. So to pay for their tea addiction problem they created an opium addiction problem in China. Poms are very pragmatic.

I have no idea why Britain became so obsessed with a tasteless drink. Yet their obsession was so great it caused actual wars.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 29, 2023 7:17 pm

It’s being gamed too, Tinta.

Same as the NDIS — it has blown out because the legislation was so loosey goosey that it virtually allows anyone on there. I was at a funeral and ran across a bloke I’ve known for almost 50 years — he had twins about 3 years ago via IVF (He is 73, his wife was 59 at the time of the birth) One of the little fellas is a little slow — The bloke said “Oh we’ve got NDIS funding, about $20,000.00 we don’t really need it” I said “well why did you take it” he said well they offered it. This is a couple who have very very high paying jobs in the public service and are extremely well off — the child is not severely disabled, the child is a little slow in his milestones. I was just so angry, I didn’t make a scene but I certainly made my point.

But imagine she 59 now 62, he now 73 — and dear little fellas are 3 years old — oh well I guess it takes all kinds but makes me think; just because you can, should you?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 29, 2023 7:17 pm

Oh….and here’s a distraction squirrel. The land of the Long White Shroud as our seventh state.

New Zealand was very nearly part of Federation in 1901, Western Australia went in, kicking, screaming and protesting loudly.

Muddy
Muddy
August 29, 2023 7:20 pm

LOved this:

calli
Aug 29, 2023 4:39 PM

Also, the pay is just so good no matter which side of the room you seat-warm…no wonder the LNP can’t be fussed actually winning.

Far easier to occupy a holding pattern of safe seats and bring home the bacon that way – maximum effect for minimum effort.

Ah, the Festering Zombie Party: Low risk for low return.

miltonf
miltonf
August 29, 2023 7:24 pm

I think NDIS was Cloward-Pivening by the TLS.

132andBush
132andBush
August 29, 2023 7:24 pm

It’s pretty amazing to see black America’s reaction to the Trump mugshot.

Hope it’s long lasting.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
August 29, 2023 7:26 pm

On the Kiwis… as I understand it, all they have to do is agree to join and they are in.

Granted, that would be “interesting” politically…

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 29, 2023 7:30 pm

I think NDIS was Cloward-Pivening by the TLS.

TLS didn’t/doesn’t give a tinker’s cuss for the disabled, she was leaving a economic time-bomb for the inevitable Liberal government – remember the thing wasn’t even funded by TLS and the rat-looking-through-a-toilet-brush – it was a disaster from the get-go and brought in a year early by the screeching banshee Jenny Macklin trying to put glitter on that turd of a government.

132andBush
132andBush
August 29, 2023 7:32 pm

Calli, my grandson was very impressed when he came to stay at the farm with his gorgeous girlfriend. I provided a picnic setting down by the creek under the casuarinas – basket with lunch of meatloaf & salad, wine, chocolates & cake that the clever girl had cooked to bring to her host!

I think I see a problem here.

I’d suggest making him hunt for the food.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 29, 2023 7:33 pm

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Aug 29, 2023 5:37 PM
Ditch the renumeration tribunal and allow the pollies to set their own salaries. Effective only on day one of the next term.

Excellent suggestion.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 29, 2023 7:34 pm

On the Kiwis… as I understand it, all they have to do is agree to join and they are in.

Granted, that would be “interesting” politically…

Maoris vs aboriginals…I think I know which side I’d back.

Crossie
Crossie
August 29, 2023 7:35 pm

Diogenes
Aug 29, 2023 6:44 PM
Russia has been accumulating Yuan from sales of oil etc. Russia wanted to convert the currency in order to pay for other imports, but the Chinese informed them that they could only use those funds in China for Chinese goods.

The last the Chinese tried something like this, the result was the Opium Wars.

The CCP could walk all over the present US admin but I don’t think Putin will take this lying down.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 29, 2023 7:38 pm

JC
Aug 29, 2023 6:02 PM
If this is true he will return, but if its isn’t, he’ll stay on the present course.

It is true – all of it, and he will return with that bushy tail down and in between his hind legs. The Russian economy is being bulldozed by the Chinese ghouls. He needs to realize that the only friends he really has are the US and the other parts of the West.

And the Chinese still have their favourite issue, “unequal treaties”, with Russia over major parts of the Russian Far East. Remember they came close to war along the Ussuri River (between Manchuria and Siberia) in 1969.

If Putin stumbles, the Chinese will be in there so fast …

Pogria
Pogria
August 29, 2023 7:39 pm

Mr Pasin said his staffers were “left shaken and fearing for their safety”.

Gaaaah! There were more staff than nutter. Bloody well drop your nads and swarm the turd. Sheesh.

Crossie
Crossie
August 29, 2023 7:44 pm

Mark from Melbourne
Aug 29, 2023 7:26 PM
On the Kiwis… as I understand it, all they have to do is agree to join and they are in.

How so? Wouldn’t there need to be referenda in each country before the union can proceed?

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 29, 2023 7:47 pm

Diogenes
Aug 29, 2023 6:44 PM
Russia has been accumulating Yuan from sales of oil etc. Russia wanted to convert the currency in order to pay for other imports, but the Chinese informed them that they could only use those funds in China for Chinese goods.

The last the Chinese tried something like this, the result was the Opium Wars.

Oh, yes. Ended with another of those “unequal treaties”.

Pogria
Pogria
August 29, 2023 7:47 pm

Calli,
you’re mentioning the Uni students in the nineties hoovering the cleaning jobs etc. Through the sixties, seventies and eighties, uni students used to be the go to for fruit and veg picking. The very jobs that are being filled with overseas and gap year students, amongst others.
The oz students used to come back from summer hols fit, tanned and with a pocketful of money. It was a badge of honour at the time.

Now, they can’t even get out of their own way.

Roger
Roger
August 29, 2023 7:47 pm

The CCP could walk all over the present US admin but I don’t think Putin will take this lying down.

Mmm…what choice does he have?

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2023 7:54 pm

And the Chinese still have their favourite issue, “unequal treaties”,

Something that all Chinese children have drummed into them from the age of five.
I think the first time most DFAT & State Department staff learn about them is when they arrive at the China desk in their respective organisations.

Crossie
Crossie
August 29, 2023 7:54 pm

Roger
Aug 29, 2023 7:47 PM
The CCP could walk all over the present US admin but I don’t think Putin will take this lying down.

Mmm…what choice does he have?

Not trade with the CCP again. Pretty soon the Chinese will run out of trading partners or sympathetic countries.

I wonder if all the BRICS think that they will be in charge, they will learn soon that the real bosses are going to be CCP. I don’t see this alliance working long once the CCP start throwing their weight around.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2023 7:56 pm

Pretty soon the Chinese will run out of trading partners or sympathetic countries.

You’re kidding right?

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 29, 2023 7:57 pm

Maoris vs aboriginals…I think I know which side I’d back.

It’s one sided. Seen it real time, not good.
The voice may fix it.
I will see myself out

Johnny Rotten
August 29, 2023 7:57 pm

I have no idea why Britain became so obsessed with a tasteless drink. Yet their obsession was so great it caused actual wars.

The Chinese themselves drink a lot of this ‘tasteless drink’. Chinese tea is very nice with a Chinese meal. Maybe try it sometime.

Roger
Roger
August 29, 2023 7:58 pm

Not trade with the CCP again.

That’s not a viable option for them atm.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2023 7:59 pm

Maoris vs aboriginals

I was at the Forster RSL when one of these kicked off.
Scary shit man.
Women fighting and everything.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 29, 2023 7:59 pm

Bruce of Newcastle at 7:17 – I am reading “A Spendid Exchange”, basically the history of trade from prehistory onwards. The author is a trained neurosurgeon who became an author after getting published as a self taught finance guy. Highly recommended.

John H.
John H.
August 29, 2023 8:02 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Aug 29, 2023 7:34 PM
On the Kiwis… as I understand it, all they have to do is agree to join and they are in.

Granted, that would be “interesting” politically…

Maoris vs aboriginals…I think I know which side I’d back.

A Maori told me that the British had to sign a treaty because they knew the Maori would be excellent guerilla warriors and would not give up. The geography certainly helped in that regard. Even in NZ movies the Maori are portrayed as fearsome and dogged individuals. Compare that to the way aborigines here are portrayed.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 29, 2023 8:04 pm

Maoris vs aboriginals…I think I know which side I’d back.

A park in Northbridge occasionally provides some aboriginals v Africans entertainment. Don’t know if this provides any form guide.

Crossie
Crossie
August 29, 2023 8:05 pm

Just saw on Bolt Rowan Dean say that Catholic bishops are pushing the YES vote. This means that last Sunday at Mass praying for the success of the referendum has been authorised from above. I suppose it will not make any difference for me to get into the priest’s ear.

What’s more Rowan is more accurate than the bishops about the individual responsibility and accountability in Catholicism. What is even more disturbing, this is interference in a political process that should not be undertaken by the church.

Pogria
Pogria
August 29, 2023 8:06 pm

There is an article in the Mail (won’t link, easy to find) about some Canadian First Nations Grifter using coffee as a descriptor as to why it doesn’t matter how pale you are. It’s all about the feelz. She conveniently keeps calling “coffee with milk”, still coffee.

I mentioned yonks ago that, while coffee is black, when you add milk, it ALWAYS called WHITE coffee. No comments allowed, of course.

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