Open Thread – Mon 11 Sept 2023


Napoleon at Brienne, Jacques Marie Gaston Onfroy de Breville, 1908

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feelthebern
feelthebern
September 13, 2023 5:56 am

Winning my LOL’s today.
The Libertarian Party are filing for Conservatorship over Biden & McConnell.
It will be thrown out at the first opportunity but still.
Many…many LOLs.

johanna
johanna
September 13, 2023 6:10 am

Big Woody fan here.

I first got interested when I saw The People vs Larry Flynt – great movie. I liked that he took the role of a sleaze and played it with gusto – not a conventional career choice.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
September 13, 2023 6:16 am

Oh dear, Channel Nine again (at least this time it wasn’t Tara Brown reporting) — Saw this little snippet in the Oz’s Margin Call – my comments in bold.

Nine newspapers sensationally revealed last week (after complete humiliation on the opening day of what was supposed to be a 12-week trial in defamation whose barristers had arrogantly rebuffed any previous attempt at mediation) that it was ready to lay down its arms and move to mediation over that case brought by Dr Munjed Al Muderis, an osseointegration specialist who’s suing the papers and 60 Minutes for defamation. Nine’s was an unexpected retreat, but what was truly stunning was that their lawyers lost heart only days after the trial started. Sad!

But even as we brace for mediation to commence, Nine’s case is still eroding before its eyes in the Federal Court, where witnesses are either contradicting the fundamentals of what was reported about Al Muderis or rejecting entirely the quotes attributed to them.

Nine’s reporting made a mighty big deal about the supposed level of sales-pressure Al Muderis applied to his patients, including Sydney barrister Donald Grieve KC, who happens to be the father of the journalist being sued. Grieve’s account, published by Nine, was that Al Muderis told him he would be in a wheelchair without immediate surgery, a claim the surgeon’s barrister, Sue Chrysanthou SC, swatted as an untruth.
Grieve has since withdrawn his affidavit, so make of that what you will. As to the alleged pressure, refuting evidence was heard on Tuesday from Dr Tim O’Carrigan, an orthopaedic surgeon who routinely consults with Al Muderis whenever this type of procedure is being considered by a patient (it allows amputees to have a prosthetic limb fitted to their body so they can attain greater function and mobility).
On O’Carrigan’s telling, he and Al Muderis expressly told Grieve that he didn’t need osseointegration surgery, with at least two other specialists involved providing that advice.

“The main advantage of osseointegration is increased mobility, and Mr Grieve already had good mobility and function with his socket prosthesis,” O’Carrigan’s affidavit said. “For this reason, we did not recommend osseointegration for Mr Grieve. This was the unanimous view of the group.”

By the afternoon it was Dr Qutaiba Al-Maawi, a resident orthopaedic surgeon in Baghdad, Iraq, who expressed great displeasure with how he’d been quoted in an article. Giving evidence via video-link, Al-Maawi said he was “shocked at what was said on my behalf” and “very unhappy with what was published”, resulting in the piece being amended online.

Not only were statements published “that I never made”, Al-Maawi told the court “words were selectively taken out of context to create a negative impression” of Al Muderis.

The witness pointed to reporting in one article that said a patient had died from a heart attack following surgery; Al-Maawai contended the individual had died “more than a year after his osseointegration and that it was not in any way related to the surgery”.

Is it true, too, what Margin Call hears, that Nine’s series of reports on Al Muderis have been entered for a Walkley Award? Odd timing when the matter’s backlit by the glare of a defamation action, allegations of severe factual shortfalls, and Nine is scrambling to make it all stop with a back-channel deal.

Surely no one wants another Laming situation (where the Walkley Foundation withdrew its award to Channel Nine reporters Peter Fagan and Rebeka Powell)

johanna
johanna
September 13, 2023 6:26 am

Oh, and while I’m here, found a British three parter which extracts the urine from the BBC, politicians and other worthy targets, with a cast including Warren Clarke, Alun Armstrong, Stephen Fry and Richard Griffiths called In the Red on Youtube. The link is to part one, you will probably have to type the title exactly but with part 2 and 3 in the searchbar to get the rest, as they mysteriously don’t appear on the sidebar.

The targets are possibly why it is not better known. The Beeb, in particular, gets a thorough and deserved pasting. Enjoy!

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
September 13, 2023 6:31 am

warning !!!! warning – Word Wall coming up Janet Albrechtsen is certainly on fire when it comes to the importance of the rule of law and its proper administration:

Bruce Lehrmann and Zachary Rolfe: Lifting the lid on authority’s failures to disclose
JANET ALBRECHTSEN
9:30PM SEPTEMBER 12, 2023
The parallels between the investigations and the prosecutions of former political staffer Bruce Lehrmann and former police officer Zach­ary Rolfe are unmistakable and disturbing.

In both cases, a hasty investi­gation and charging of a young man for a serious crime was accompanied by diarised police concerns about lack of evidence.

In both cases, the politicisation of events by politicians and other senior figures occurred against a backdrop of social movements fuelling a febrile environment.

In both cases, a pattern of non-disclosure of material to defence lawyers put at risk their ability to properly defend their clients.

The difference is that the public has now had the benefit of a ­thorough public inquiry into the exercise of state power in the Lehrmann matter.

If we are to trust in all aspects of the criminal justice system, from policing to prosecutors, the issues raised by Rolfe’s lawyers and reported by The Australian’s Kristin Shorten today must be investi­gated. An internal police investigation is not enough.

There should be a transparent and meticulous public inquiry by a skilled and fearless senior judge into the circumstances surrounding the investigation and prosecution of Rolfe.

That the former constable was unanimously found not guilty by 12 jurors within a few hours is not a reason for institutions that wield tremendous power against a citizen to avoid a public inquiry into their behaviour.

The Northern Territory’s new Police Commissioner, Michael Murphy, has an opportunity to start his term in office by encouraging proper and overdue public scrutiny of the most controversial police investigation in the Territory’s history.

In his letter to Murphy on June 16 this year, Rolfe’s lawyer, Luke Officer, laid out serious concerns about the conduct of Detective Senior Sergeant Wayne Newell. They included claims that Newell amended and edited an expert report, that he obtained opinions from a purported expert denying the lethality of the scissors that Walker used to stab Rolfe and threaten his partner, even though that expert said it would be inappropriate for her to give evidence, and that Newell withheld supplementary opinions given by two other experts to him about the leth­ality of the scissors that would have assisted defence but were revealed only during the trial.

The Darwin-based lawyer in his letter says it was only down to “sheer luck” that he became aware of the undisclosed material.

Again, by sheer chance, Rolfe’s lawyers became aware of a series of draft police coronial reports – known as the “Pollock reports” – that police had not given to the DPP, and could therefore not share with Rolfe’s defence team.

When making his order for disclosure of those reports, Supreme Court judge Dean Mildren said: “If the documents are never revealed, it may be that an innocent person has been wrongly convicted. It is to be hoped that this situation will not occur in the future.”

In his final report into the investigation and prosecution of Lehrmann, Walter Sofronoff explained why full disclosure was central to our trust in the criminal justice system by ensuring a fair trial, and addressing the imbalance of power and resources between the state and a citizen. “Criminal litigation is not a poker game in which a prosecutor can hide the cards,” he wrote.

In the Lehrmann case, the former DPP was exposed as failing to disclose material.

In the Rolfe matter, disclosure failures concern police.

Disclosure duties are the same for police and prosecutors because both are instruments of enormous state power, just as the damage to a defendant, and our trust in the criminal justice system, is the same whether non-disclosure is by a prosecutor or by police.

Many other parts of the Rolfe saga echo the Lehrmann case. For example, police diary entries reveal senior police officers expressed concerns at charging Rolfe before sufficient evidence had been amassed.

Just as the Lehrmann saga unfolded against the background of the #metoo movement and nat­ionwide March 4 Justice protests, the arrest, prosecution and trial of Rolfe occurred as the Black Lives Matters movement grew in prominence, alongside “Justice for Walker” protests nationwide.

More concerning than the wild west of social media, which became hunting grounds for Lehrmann and Rolfe, leaders behaved badly. On November 12, three days after the fatal shooting, then-commissioner Jamie Chalker and chief minister Michael Gunner travelled to Yuendumu, where the latter told the community there would be an independent investigation into the shooting and “consequences will flow as a result.”

Recall that former prime minister Scott Morrison delivered an apology in parliament to Brittany Higgins, saying “I’m sorry to Ms Higgins for the terrible things that took place here”.

On the morning after Gunner’s comments – hours before Rolfe was charged – the NT’s then Independent Commissioner Against Corruption Ken Fleming attended a rally at Alice Springs, where thousands gathered to protest after Walker’s death, and said “one of the most important mess­ages today is ‘Black Lives Matter’.

“Anybody who says contrary to that is guilty of corrupt behaviour,” he said.

A promised ICAC investi­gation into the shooting was to be headed by Fleming but after his rally speech, he was forced to remove himself from the probe and soon after retired. The probe never eventuated.

In 2022, after Rolfe was acquitted, ICAC investigated whether his murder charge had been politically influenced by Gunner or anyone else and found the claims were baseless.

If those leading our most powerful institutions do not show respect for this fundamental value, why would other politicians, let alone citizens who serve on a jury?

There are other matters of concern in Operation Charwell – the criminal investigation of the shooting. The police’s mission statement included this: “To provide a brief of evidence to the Director of Public Prosecutions in support of the offence as alleged against Constable Zachary Rolfe.”

The mission for police should have been to conduct a complete, accurate and reliable investigation of all evidence: that which supported the charge against Rolfe and that which did not.

According to police notes, a report was commissioned from a US criminologist about Rolfe’s use of force after NSW police advised NT police that “They were not keen to put themselves into the firing line if their SME [subject matter expert] offered an opinion that may be adverse.”

Did this mean NSW police didn’t want to express opinions that did not fit charging Rolfe?

The US criminologist, paid almost $100,000 for his 12-page report, was not provided with all the information on the incident but senior police told him via email that “it is important we make sure we have a good fit otherwise I will struggle to be able to convince my bosses of the value in utilising your extensive expertise”.

Given that Rolfe was arrested, did a “good fit” mean a report that fitted the mission statement of “in support of the offence” of murder?

If there is an ICAC investigation underway into these serious issues, the corruption watchdog won’t tell us.

The NT Police Professional Standards Command advised Rolfe’s lawyer that the Office of Ombudsman NT refused to investigate, stating it was “not in the public interest”. In response to Rolfe’s June complaint, the head of the PSC said he did not consider any further action was required.

It is passing strange that when The Australian sent questions to NT police on Monday, they said they were investigating Rolfe’s complaints. What is going on?

Had there not been a full public inquiry in the ACT, we would never have learned about serious wrongdoing by then DPP Shane Drumgold. The Rolfe fiasco raises similarly concerning questions about the conduct of police.

Only a thorough and public inquiry can settle concerns that Rolfe was the victim of brute politics, misguided social movements, a deeply flawed police investigation and serious failures to disclose material his lawyers should have had to properly defend him.

Cassie of Sydney
September 13, 2023 6:37 am

I’m also a Woody fan. He’s a very good actor. I loved him in True Detective and Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 13, 2023 6:45 am

So, Garrett is iust talking about chipping in to pay for the production of new ads, right?

Not necessarily ones that will contain him or his band’s music?

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 13, 2023 6:54 am

Sharri Markson with the video of the harridan Langton and her statements in Bunbury.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 13, 2023 6:57 am

I could give you an example of someone who changed her style of commenting now gets only upticks.

Oh please do.

There are not many female commenters here, Gabor. Each one comments well and most have their own particular style. As you say, the downticking has settled down.

Like Calli, I often get a downtick or two. I’ll just keep quacking and waddle on.
Might occasionally fluff my feathers up a bit to shake off the raindrops. 🙂

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 13, 2023 7:07 am

Stephen Fry

He was solidly fried yesterday!

Stephen Fry ordered to ‘stick to comedy’ after rant branding Brexit a ‘catastrophe’ (11 Sep)

The comedian launched his attack on Brexit during an appearance on the BBC’s Sunday With Laura Kuenssberg.

He said Britain’s departure from Brussels was a “catastrophe”, adding that “everybody knows it deep in their bones”.

But Brexiteers urged Fry to stick to comedy as they hit back at his comments.

Reform UK leader Richard Tice said: “Clearly delusional about Brexit and climate change, I suggest Stephen Fry sticks to what he is good at, being comedy.”

He’s obviously part of the fashionable elites spectrum, sadly. I think Brexit has gone well, except that the Poms haven’t really done it properly, it’s a sort of wet Brexit-lite, since they haven’t booted the ECJ and ECHR. And they still aren’t deterring country shoppers properly.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 7:13 am

Try again Bruce.

European courts have upheld British subjects’ rights better than British Courts.

The EU never imposed policing of speech on Twitter of comedians & old nannas or mawkish deification of masked up NHS workers, Airstrip One heartily voted for this surrealist nightmare.

COVID and the authoritarian folly that accompanied it gainsaid any of the benefits of Brexit.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 13, 2023 7:18 am

Stephen Fry defended free speech with Matt Taibbi in a debate against Malcolm Gladwell & some chump.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 13, 2023 7:18 am

Dot – They continually overturn attempts by Britain to deport illegal migrants. It’s egregious undermining of British sovereignty.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 13, 2023 7:19 am

Success, Building 7 is back on the open thread.

Scurries away again.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 7:21 am

British sovereignty is a joke if the Commons cannot unilaterally declare they no longer are subject to EU law.

It is a choice to remain in that jurisdiction.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 7:26 am

There is a State House candidate in VA with a Chaturbate profile, she’s a nurse who is a member of a PAC called “Moms Demand Action”.

They sure do.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 13, 2023 7:32 am

Chaturbate profile

She was only on Chaterbate to tell people how to get away from Chaterbate.

h/t Principal Skinner.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 13, 2023 7:42 am

Yes here is the article
Revenge porn! Invasion of privacy! Nasty Republicans!
Darling, you live streamed yourselves having sex. For money.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 13, 2023 7:46 am

Raise money for a good cause. Chortle. The headline itself is legendary.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 13, 2023 7:49 am

Rumbling that Laura Kane will appeal the Maynard decision. FMD

132andBush
132andBush
September 13, 2023 7:59 am

The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.

I suppose it had nothing to do with the earthquake conditions created by the twin towers collapsing next door?

Crossie
Crossie
September 13, 2023 8:00 am

Try again Bruce.
European courts have upheld British subjects’ rights better than British Courts.
The EU never imposed policing of speech on Twitter of comedians & old nannas or mawkish deification of masked up NHS workers, Airstrip One heartily voted for this surrealist nightmare.
COVID and the authoritarian folly that accompanied it gainsaid any of the benefits of Brexit.

Dot, would I be wrong in assuming that most of those in charge of British courts that prosecute free speech were Remainers?

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 8:05 am

Dot, would I be wrong in assuming that most of those in charge of British courts that prosecute free speech were Remainers?

Who votes for their political bosses? What political “party” has been in government since 2010?

British conservatives don’t have the minerals to vote for Brexit, Reform, Libertarian and the working class mindlessly vote Labor who want to create a social democracy that will hug box them to death and suffocate them with safe spaces.

Who is in Parliament changing the laws or reprimanding the judges? If you want activist judges then don’t complain when they activate against you.

JC
JC
September 13, 2023 8:06 am

Just watched Dore cover Woody’s recent comment and he dropped a curve ball. I had no idea Uni of Alaska Fairbanks did a study of the collapse of Building 7 WTC whose conclusions were:

Believe the experts or in this case second rate experts when it suits?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 13, 2023 8:07 am

In Unintended Consequences news:

Russian President Vladimir Putin says prosecution of Donald Trump shows US political system is ‘rotten’

Mr Putin said on Tuesday that what was happening to Mr Trump was good from Russia’s point of view.

“It shows the rottenness of the American political system, which cannot pretend to teach others democracy,” he said at an Eastern Economic Forum gathering in Russia’s far-eastern city of Vladivostok.

“Everything that is happening with Trump is the persecution of a political rival for political reasons. That’s what it is. And this is being done in front of the public of the United States and the whole world,” he said.

And Emperor Xi’s China has it both ways:

Donald Trump’s indictments have spurred incredulity and ridicule in China, and strengthened Chinese state narratives of the US in decline.

Following Trump’s first indictments, China’s state-run Global Times wrote in March that US “political and legal tools” were being “weaponized to attack political opponents”, a situation that the news organisation said would sow more chaos in an already polarised society.

The enduring support for Trump also revealed, Global Times said, that US society had failed to learn from the storming of the US Capitol on January 6, 2021.

Septic tanks.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 13, 2023 8:08 am

The GOP should be amplifying the Sec Energy non stop.

The Secretary Of Energy’s Messy EV Road Trip Included A Family Calling The Cops About A Blocked Charger
The Secretary of Energy went on a four-day EV road trip this summer and not all of it went as planned.

https://jalopnik.com/jennifer-granholm-went-on-an-ev-road-trip-and-it-was-ki-1850826932

Roger
Roger
September 13, 2023 8:10 am

QLD’s LNP shadow A-G Tim Nicholls falls meekly into line behind Yvette D’Ath to support law “reform” allowing the public naming of those accused of rape and other sexual offences before their matters have proceeded to committal.

Because a woman would never make a false accusation to destroy a man’s reputation, apparently.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 13, 2023 8:11 am

Russian President Vladimir Putin says prosecution of Donald Trump shows US political system is ‘rotten’

Paging a Mr Navalny! Is there a Mr Navalny in this gulag?

Incidentally Vlad has just caught and arrested his personal doctor who was trying to flee the country.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 13, 2023 8:12 am

Just watched Dore cover Woody’s recent comment and he dropped a curve ball. I had no idea Uni of Alaska Fairbanks did a study of the collapse of Building 7 WTC whose conclusions were: ….. The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse …… the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.

Careful Dover, or the usual suspects will start piling on with ad hominems sans actually reading the evidence.

For me, the most ‘curious’ aspects of Building 7 are

1) it suffered very little impact damage, having only a bit of debris fall on it
2) it burned relatively slowly, and quite cool – it being nothing more than an ‘office fire’ – which means too cool to even soften its steel core – engineering analysis says this minor impact damage + cool fire damage could not have caused its collapse, especially after such a long delay.
3) it collapsed ‘symmetrically’ many hours later – and as one engineer said, ‘You dont get a symmetric collapse from asymmetric damage.
4) All 3 WTC buildings collapsed vertically and in ‘free fall’ – there was virtually no resistance from each lower floor, which only happens if the base columns are all taken out simultaneously – which can only happen with controlled demolitions.
5) There are high rise fires on an almost weekly basis around the world, some catastrophically severe, yet there have only ever been 3 steel frame buildings collapse as a result< WTC 1, WTC2 and WTC 7.

Something definitely smells here, although I really cant see shadowy actors pulling off a complicated plan of both airliner impacts and preplanned demolitions, and struggle to think why they would try, why not just do a conventional bombing and fire or just the airliner impacts? Its a bit like believing the Paris tunnel crash was a professional hit on Princess Di rather than a crash – too many moving parts and too much to go wrong.

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 13, 2023 8:16 am

Putin still a more admirable figure than the poisonous trash in Washington DC

Cassie of Sydney
September 13, 2023 8:17 am

Blowjob Johnson won an 80 seat majority in December 2019….which he decided to squander. Okay, he pushed through a Clayton’s Brexit.

Dot is right. The Tories have been in power since 2010….in 2015 they won a majority, and in 2019 they won an historic majority. They have never had the will to pursue much. Blaming the EU is simply a distraction squirrel. They do not even have a senate or upper house to blame.

shatterzzz
September 13, 2023 8:21 am

I don’t think he is on any government, politician pension, he was a one term senator.

There is no such thing as an “un-pensioned” politician .. that’s fully covered by “jerbs fer the boyz” if such an oversight were to occur ……..

Roger
Roger
September 13, 2023 8:24 am

Agforce and the QLD govt at loggerheads over wind turbines

Farmers saying they’ve been sidelined in consultations on projects.

Chris
Chris
September 13, 2023 8:25 am

which can only happen with controlled demolitions.

Assuming the consequent.
First and most obvious sign of conspiracist writing.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 8:27 am

The main WTC buildings were targeted before. It wouldn’t be surprising if the plot was bigger on 9/11 than we publicly know including a similar plot to the 1993 attacks done at Tower 7 as well in 2001 on top of the planes. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case that it is kept secret to keep up the public confidence in the security, police and military.

I mean there’s the mythology about Flight 93, I never believed that, I always believed it was shot down by F-16s.

No one wants to know that a fighter pilot had to shoot down a passenger plane.*

The biggest injustice is that nothing happened to any Saudi authorities.

*No, I’m not crazy. I also don’t believe the USAF would actually order a suicide mission when they could have shot it down with BVR missiles.

https://wgntv.com/news/sept-11-anniversary/pilot-recalls-mission-to-take-down-flight-93-before-it-struck-dc-on-9-11/

Penney and Marc Sasseville, her flight commander who she knows as Sas, suited up upon his command.

“We were sent on a suicide mission,” Penney said.

In 2001 there were few F-16’s that sat fully armed with missiles. So Penney’s jet was completely unarmed. Once they found Flight 93, Sasseville would ram the front of the plane and Penney would take out the tail.

“Because aerodynamically without the tail airplanes cannot stay airborne, they actually tip over and dive straight into the ground,” Penney said.

Hmmmm….

The public are not told things as a matter of national security. “Carrots help you see in the dark”, etc.

JC
JC
September 13, 2023 8:29 am

Duk

The Alaskan uni suggests there was a “global” collapse. Really? No one else knew that until I read it.

Where exactly would you like to go with this?

Roger
Roger
September 13, 2023 8:30 am

The Tories have been in power since 2010….in 2015 they won a majority, and in 2019 they won an historic majority. They have never had the will to pursue much.

Too limp to even exert control over their borders.

132andBush
132andBush
September 13, 2023 8:31 am

WTC wobble after impact.
It’s a bloody miracle the top part didn’t just shear off.

Link

Crossie
Crossie
September 13, 2023 8:32 am

The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.

I suppose it had nothing to do with the earthquake conditions created by the twin towers collapsing next door?

Yes, 9/11 truthers use the same science as the climate changers/global warmers.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 13, 2023 8:33 am

Daily Telegraph, like immigrants really give two hoots:

Residents in nine key Western Sydney suburbs will be bombarded with a Yes campaign blitz targeting multicultural communities this week as support for a Voice to Parliament falls and diverse groups struggle to engage just a month out of the referendum.

The federal electorates of Parramatta, Watson, Chifley and Reid will be the focus of a campaign being rolled out in more than 28 languages in an attempt to capture the multicultural communities who are proving vital to the October 14 referendum.

The Sydney Alliance — which is made up of 50 diverse organisations — will be doing the heavy lifting, committing to a mammoth 2000 hours of campaigning across Campbelltown, Fairfield, Merrylands, Parramatta, Granville, Carlingford, Ryde, Mount Druitt, and Chatswood. Yes campaigners will be hosting stalls across the nine suburbs to educate people on the Voice proposal.

Desis for Yes co-founder and Sydney Alliance co-chair Nishadh Rejo said it was important for “newer Australians to vote in an informed way”.

“The reactions have been largely positive, people in our communities want to learn more about the referendum; when we explain it clearly the Yes vote resonates,” Mr Rejo said.

“It’s important for us as newer Australians to vote in an informed way – this is our history and our future too”

Filipinos for Yes volunteer Mariza Sollano said it was not “good enough” for multicultural communities to be disengaged.

“Australia is my home now, I’ve resided in Australia for longer than I’ve been in my homeland. It’s not good enough for us to be disengaged,” she said.

“There is a lot of misinformation out there as well. Part of it is because you have to understand that a lot of multicultural Australians aren’t born here so they don’t understand the history and the struggle of Aboriginal Australians. If you go through that (with them), they have a better appreciation for First Nations peoples struggles.”

Sydney Alliance organiser Chantelle Ogilvie-Ellis will be out campaigning on Wednesday in Merrylands to engage voters in the heart of Western Sydney.

“One of the things that disengages people is hearing lots of information and not knowing what to trust,” she said.

“We are showing people a friendly face on the Yes side in their own neighbourhood.”

Yes campaign director Dean Parkin said the partnership with Sydney Alliance showed the “grassroots” campaign the Yes side is running. (Chortle)

“This partnership highlights the grassroots backing for the Yes vote in Greater Sydney’s vibrant and diverse community,” he said.

“In addition to the 181 multicultural and multifaith organisations that are supporting a yes vote, this builds on the positive momentum of the Yes campaign and demonstrates there is a lot of goodwill in Sydney’s multicultural community.”

But the push for Yes may hit a hurdle in one council with Faifield Mayor Frank Carbone planning to pull down all Voice related posters from the city regardless of whether they are Yes or No.

“Communities in Western Sydney are more concerned about the cost of living than the referendum. What people don’t want is people knocking on their doors and trying to convince people how to vote. We don’t need anybody coming around and telling us what you should and shouldn’t do,” he said.

“If the posters are on major traffic areas where they make it look undesirable and impact the city, I am about to instruct my council staff to remove all posters that have been dumped in our city. I don’t want any posters, Yes or No, in my city especially given this council has taken the decision to leave it up to the community to make up their own mind.”

Others were more welcoming of the campaigning on their patch with Parramatta mayor Sameer Pandey saying he was not surprised the area was a key battleground.

“City of Parramatta supports the establishment of an Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander Voice in Australia,” Mr Pandey said.

“We recognise there is a diversity of views in our community and want to see open, respectful and constructive dialogue on the issue.

“We’re a big community right in the heart of greater Sydney so it’s not surprising people want to find out what we think.”

Haven’t heard of Frank Carbone but, given time, he will be noted from here as a firebrand mayor.
Will these door knockers be local or shipped in from the eastern suburbs to be lectured by Turnbull and doctor’s wives after their first 10am sherry?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 13, 2023 8:34 am

Indigenous Voice to Parliament: WA support plummets as polling date nears; largest drop among young voters
Katina Curtis
The West Australian
Tue, 12 September 2023 9:00PM
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Support for the Voice has plummeted across WA with a new poll showing every demographic has turned away from the proposal, even those who were previously supportive.

Liberal MPs are now warning politicians on both sides of the referendum debate need to plan for how to tackle Indigenous disadvantage in the event of the vote failing.

Just 39 per cent of WA voters are planning a Yes vote while 61 per cent said No, a new survey by Painted Dog Research for The West Australian finds.

The No vote was ahead in every demographic cohort, with opposition highest amongst the over-55s who were 68 per cent against.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 13, 2023 8:35 am

Too cheap to meter news.

A 10 GW Time Bomb (11 Sep)

It has long been known some “AAA” backsheet films – made of triple-layer polyamide and widely deployed from 2010 to 2013 – can become brittle and tear. “By now, you would have to see the signs in all modules affected by this, whether they are installed in ground-mounted systems or on roofs,” says Bernhard Weinreich, managing director of HaWe Engineering. Now, younger modules and other foil types are exhibiting similar behavior.

Some 15% of Germany’s solar capacity – 10 GW – could be affected. That equates to up to €2 billion ($2.18 billion) in replacement costs, with only a fraction of the affected panels likely detected thus far.

There are safety risks, too. Affected modules could electrocute if handled in wet weather and are more susceptible to fires. With some severely damaged panels showing only minor performance loss, how can damage be assessed? How long can such modules operate safely after initial premature aging signs?

Sounds like someone was trying to save money using inadequate backing materials. The linked article doesn’t say whose panels are the faulty ones, whether Chinese or German manufactured. You can probably bet though that this is going to hit us here in Oz too. Won’t that be fun?

Tom
Tom
September 13, 2023 8:35 am

Rumbling that Laura Kane will appeal the Maynard decision. FMD

Little Laura’s inner three-year-old is having a private tanty this morning that her first attempt to turn the AFL men’s competition into netball has been rebuffed by the men in the room.

Little Laura the lawyer will soon try again because, as she has confessed, her primary motivation for invading the AFL’s inner sanctum is to right injustices and, as an an oppressed female social justice warrior, she sees injustice everywhere.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
September 13, 2023 8:35 am

Prolific social media user “The Opinionated Black Woman

When I was almost 14, I was sexually assaulted by “uncle bob” he preyed on me all through the night in his own daughters room & even after I got into the bed with his daughter he attacked me.

Everyone knew by Sunday night.

My mother sent me to school Monday.

On Monday some of the boys at school thought it was funny what happened to me, there were 6 of us in class, the teacher left to get a coffee.

4 boys forced one to keep watch while they held me down, ripped my clothes off and sexually assaulted me.

For my sexual assaults I got suspended from school and kicked out of home because my mother “couldn’t take it anymore”

Yep that’s what she said.

It was only my step dad & grandparents who cared about me. My step dad had the gun loaded and was going to shoot Bob but my mum stopped her cash cow from doing it.

No police statements taken, no apology from the nsw department of education, my life taken from me in 1 foul swoop, i raised my 4 younger siblings, 2 from birth, they were my babies and i was seperated from my babies, that crushed me.

My innocence had been taken long before then.

These cnuts want truth telling? Well I’ve got a hell of a lot more than that to tell.

The above is not the worst thing to happen to me.

They don’t want my truth telling, it’s not the right kind of “truth” they want told.

#VoteNo

Crossie
Crossie
September 13, 2023 8:36 am

Mr Putin said on Tuesday that what was happening to Mr Trump was good from Russia’s point of view.

“It shows the rottenness of the American political system, which cannot pretend to teach others democracy,” he said at an Eastern Economic Forum gathering in Russia’s far-eastern city of Vladivostok.

When you’re right, you’re right.

JC
JC
September 13, 2023 8:37 am

I know the lived experience argument is generally bullshit. I lived there during 911. I can attest to one thing and that for a few days it was absolute and total confusion. The idea there was some sinister force that suddenly appeared and did sinister things is f’ing laughable.

shatterzzz
September 13, 2023 8:38 am

The Tories have been in power since 2010….in 2015 they won a majority, and in 2019 they won an historic majority. They have never had the will to pursue much.

Mirror image of Oz Liberals then .. smattering of noise in opposition .. nuttin’ in power!

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 13, 2023 8:39 am

The first casualty of the lost Brexit referendum was David Cameron resigning as the presumptive head of state, PM- he migh have had honour nudging him with the idea that the proles would have no faith in him delivering, as a Remainer, but what if that’s just the suspicious scrutiny which the effective head of state- the British Bureaucracy- needed to actually Brexit, instead of knobbling the extraxtion at every turn, ever since?

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 8:40 am

JC

Some people heard explosions at Tower 7?

Look, maybe there was some SF action against dead terrorists but they couldn’t stop a bomb plot from “succeeding”. Bush may have chosen to keep this quiet to make people feel safer if he was acting on good intelligence no more cells were active on US soil.

I don’t think I’m crazy for considering this possibility.

The problem with the internet is people take speculation as fact.

I think I’m right about Flight 93.

Crossie
Crossie
September 13, 2023 8:42 am

“Everything that is happening with Trump is the persecution of a political rival for political reasons. That’s what it is. And this is being done in front of the public of the United States and the whole world,” he said.

This is what I find astounding, that Democrats would do it in front of their population and the entire world. They used to have more finesse in going after their enemies. I suppose the internet really has revealed their methods and that’s why the gargantuan attempts to censor it.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 13, 2023 8:42 am

Assuming the consequent.
First and most obvious sign of conspiracist writing.

No, its basic physics …. for a building to drop in on itself *symmetrically* requires *all* of its supporting columns to fail simultaneously.

I know its hard for people to accept that our governments are evil and lie to us all the time, but ‘falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus’

Cassie of Sydney
September 13, 2023 8:44 am

“Where exactly would you like to go with this?”

Dem damn Joos

duncanm
duncanm
September 13, 2023 8:45 am

Something definitely smells here, although I really cant see shadowy actors pulling off a complicated plan of both airliner impacts and preplanned demolitions, and struggle to think why they would try, why not just do a conventional bombing and fire or just the airliner impacts?

exactly.

The problem with conspiracy theories is the execution.

Someone would have to set up the demolition charges on WTC7 prior to the whole hijack incident. Not a small feat, and not something none of the thousands of people moving through the building every day would not notice.

Then – you need to guarantee that you get those planes into WTC1 and 2 (because that’s all part of the nefarious ‘plan’).. so you can set off those WTC7 charges.

Makes no sense.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 13, 2023 8:45 am

New stone age.

You Will Build Nothing & Be Happy: UN report urges ‘massive emission cuts in construction sector’ by using ‘gov’t regs & enforcement’ to achieve ‘Net Zero’ – Replace ‘concrete & steel’ with ‘stone, timber, & bamboo’ (12 Sep)

“Until recently, most buildings were constructed using locally sourced earth, stone, timber, and bamboo. Yet modern materials such as concrete and steel often give only the illusion of durability, usually ending up in landfills and contributing to the growing climate crisis,” said Sheila Aggarwal-Khan, Director of UNEP’s Industry and Economy Division. “Net zero in the building and construction sector is achievable by 2050, as long as governments put in place the right policy, incentives and regulation to bring a shift the industry action,” UNEP’s Aggarwal-Khan added.

Fortunately we don’t have many earthquakes here in Australia. We have plenty of stone though, which will be good for when we collapse into feudalism and need to build some castles with nice thick walls.

shatterzzz
September 13, 2023 8:46 am

Haven’t heard of Frank Carbone but, given time, he will be noted from here as a firebrand mayor.

Being a Fairfield resident all this shows is Frankie (who has state gummint, specifically Cabrammatta, wet dreams) has interpreted the entrails, correctly, as it don’t take an Einstein to work out YES is going nowhere out here ……….. so pre-empting is good politics for him ..!

Indolent
Indolent
September 13, 2023 8:47 am

Its a bit like believing the Paris tunnel crash was a professional hit on Princess Di rather than a crash – too many moving parts and too much to go wrong.

Very bad comparison. The Paris tunnel crash could easily have been a matter of exploiting an opportunity. If deliberate, it could have been first or the tenth attempt. Not so the WTC attack.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 13, 2023 8:48 am

Bruce of Newcastle
Sep 13, 2023 8:35 AM

Too cheap to meter news.

A 10 GW Time Bomb (11 Sep)

It has long been known some “AAA” backsheet films – made of triple-layer polyamide and widely deployed from 2010 to 2013 – can become brittle and tear. “By now, you would have to see the signs in all modules affected by this, whether they are installed in ground-mounted systems or on roofs,” says Bernhard Weinreich, managing director of HaWe Engineering. Now, younger modules and other foil types are exhibiting similar behavior.

BON,

Sister-in-law in Mackay had to replace roof solar panels after 8 years last year – $10K – not happy

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 8:51 am

I find that irritated black woman hard to believe.

Getting raped by a relative on a Saturday night and then gang-raped the following Monday at the age of 14 isn’t the “worst thing that happened to her”?

I mean, what else could be worse?

Death (she’s alive).
Sexual slavery?

I’m almost inclined to think she’s posting to make NO less credible.

Crossie
Crossie
September 13, 2023 8:51 am

Bruce of Newcastle
Sep 13, 2023 8:11 AM
Russian President Vladimir Putin says prosecution of Donald Trump shows US political system is ‘rotten’

Paging a Mr Navalny! Is there a Mr Navalny in this gulag?

Incidentally Vlad has just caught and arrested his personal doctor who was trying to flee the country.

I am certainly not a fan of Putin but at least he is not lecturing the world on ethics and democracy. Democrats are going after Trump for questioning their wonky election methods which is the same as what Putin is doing to his opponents. On second thought, Putin is teaching the world by example the new ethics and Dems are fast learners.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 13, 2023 8:52 am

Electric vehicle battery causes fire at Sydney Airport, destroys five cars

Five cars have been destroyed after a lithium-ion battery exploded at Sydney Airport on Monday night.

Fire and Rescue NSW and the Aviation Rescue Firefighting Service battled the blaze which broke out under the control tower on the southern end of Airport Drive in Mascot.

Firefighters confirmed sparks spread from a detached lithium-ion battery from a luxury car to four nearby cars parked at the airport about 8:30pm.

Superintendent Adam Dewberry from Fire and Rescue NSW said that while battery fires were not uncommon, electric vehicles were not a concern for authorities.

There were about 25 to 30 cars in the car park at the time of the fire.

Superintendent Dewberry said the incident could have been much worse.

“The aviation team were on the scene very quickly and able to get on top of this fire. Even with the close proximity they are to the fire … it spread fairly quickly.”

A fire and rescue team monitored the battery overnight, before handing the scene back to airport investigators.

In cases of a lithium-ion battery fire firefighters will cool down the battery and place it in a container with water to stop re-ignitions.

Alternatively, Superintendent Dewberry said firefighters would remain on the scene throughout the night in case of a spark-up.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 13, 2023 8:52 am

she sees injustice everywhere.

She’ll barely be able to snorf her way through brunch this morning, so great is her responsibility to further the reach of the sisterhood.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 13, 2023 8:53 am

The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building

Who was the mastermind genius who said, years ago, that fire could not melt steel?

Not long after I saw a YouTube clip where someone built a fire in their backyard, draped some mesh over it, and noting that the metal did not melt.

QED!

It was not the planes that brought down the towers.

Imagine running into someone in the office solemnly telling you that they had ‘proof’ – and then telling you that. If it was by the water cooler the temptation to pick up the next unopened bottle and hit them over the head, and then deny you killed them because there is no evidence they drowned, would be difficult to resist.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 13, 2023 8:54 am

My impression of the reaction to Prof Langton’s recent contribution,
“You’re not helping.”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 13, 2023 8:54 am

Not a small feat, and not something none of the thousands of people moving through the building every day would not notice.

Well said – I’ve seen the work involved in setting up a building for a controlled demolition, and it’s not something anyone who worked there wouldn’t notice.

calli
calli
September 13, 2023 8:55 am

Superintendent Adam Dewberry from Fire and Rescue NSW said that while battery fires were not uncommon, electric vehicles were not a concern for authorities.

Oh well. That’s okay then.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 8:56 am

Who was the mastermind genius who said, years ago, that fire could not melt steel?

Steel is grown on steel vines, everyone knows that. Steelmaking is a western patriarchal myth, of course.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 13, 2023 8:57 am

ABC lady caller to 774 giving her expert views on how Maynard should smother a kick without colliding with another player.
Trioli naturally agreed given her 300 game career behind a microphone.
Fascinating stuff.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
September 13, 2023 9:00 am

Article of interest in Go-Auto news. (As it is a pdf, I had to cut,paste).

Myriad of far cheaper Chinese EVs take the limelight in Munich 7 Sep 2023 By PETER BARNWELL

THE European intentions of Chinese car makers is clear judging by the number of “Middle Kingdom” brands and models at the Internationale Automobil-Ausstellung (IAA Mobility) in Munich.

The expo, which has morphed from its motor show roots in Frankfurt to a more environmentally acceptable festival for all forms of mobility, showed clearly that Chinese-made cars are here, and here to stay.

The irony of such an occurrence can hardly be ignored as Germany is the epicentre of European automotive manufacturing and is increasingly under a cloud from inflation (and margin boosting) price increases, suffocating supply chain problems (still) and rising energy costs following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine… among other things.

As if in reply to the penetration of China by European brands, Chinese automakers were there in the thick of it with myriad and far cheaper electric vehicles targeting European buyers. Some suggest the IAA Mobility marked the start of a Chinese “onslaught” on the European market.

Continental Chinese EV sales rocketed by nearly 55 per cent to about 820,000 vehicles in the first seven months of 2023, making up about 13 per cent of all new car sales.

Seven Chinese brands attended including: BYD, Dongfeng, HiPhi, Leapmotor, MG, Seres and Xpeng, while two Geely brands, Smart and Polestar showed models built in China.

However, notable absences were Nio and Aiways along with some other front-line brands but adding Tesla into the mix more than takes their place.

Adding an element of hoopla to the event was the appearance of Elon Musk, usually a no-show at such soirees but in the case of the 2023 IAA Mobility; he made an exception as it was Tesla’s first appearance there since 2013.

In an interesting twist, China’s electric mobility trade show called the World New Energy Vehicle Congress, was held on September 6, also in Munich, the day after the IAA opened and for the first time outside of China.

According to news sources, 41 per cent of exhibitors at the industry fair have their headquarters in China.

BYD
The Tesla rival rolled out a full range of models for Europe that included the launch of the Seal mid-size sedan and the Seal U mid-size SUV.

These were joined by the previously shown Han large sedan and Tang large SUV, the Atto 3 compact SUV and the Dolphin compact hatchback.

The manufacturer also introduced its sub-brand Denza, a joint venture with Mercedes-Benz focussed on the Denza D9, a seven-seat luxury van.

Dongfeng

Dongfeng is making a move into Europe after joint ventures with Honda, Nissan, Renault and Stellantis, among others.

It used the IAA Mobility for the official launch of the U-Tour V9 MPV, the Leiting, the Youting (Yacht), and T5 models.

Additionally, a teaser for the brand’s first all-electric sedan was revealed at the event.

Hiphi

The premium EV “start-up” debuted its Z model while out at Munich Airport, it had the X and Y models on display along with a smaller mid-size sedan with gullwing rear doors.

Leapmotor

Another Chinese “start-up” with potential European carmaker JVs including VW which wants to use a new platform developed by Leapmotor for a Chinese Jetta. Stellantis is also in the JV picture with the T03 minicar.

Leapmotor used the show to launch its C10 SUV.

MG

MG is Europe’s leading Chinese brand and used the show to display its highly anticipated Cyberster full-electric sports car.

Other vehicle displayed were the MG4 Electric XPower, a high-performance variant of the compact EV and the MG Marvel R, an all-wheel drive, high-performance version of the electric SUV.

Seres

Owned by mobile phone company Huawei, Seres showed two models it is selling in Europe: The Seres 5 mid-size coupe SUV (known as the Aito M5 in China) and the smaller Seres 3 crossover.

Xpeng

With strong VW financial links, the company displayed the P7 mid-size sedan which it has just started delivering in Europe.

The G9 mid-size SUV, was also on display and available for test drives through the streets of Munich.

Crossie
Crossie
September 13, 2023 9:03 am

“In addition to the 181 multicultural and multifaith organisations that are supporting a yes vote, this builds on the positive momentum of the Yes campaign and demonstrates there is a lot of goodwill in Sydney’s multicultural community.”

I call BS. Would they like to name these organisations so we can check if they are really on board with YES?

Roger
Roger
September 13, 2023 9:04 am

Oh well. That’s okay then.

I wonder if the ABC journalist isn’t verballing him there.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 13, 2023 9:05 am

The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse.

For some unaccountable reason the actual report doesn’t download from UAF, but nevertheless I‘m here to tell you that the authors conclude that WTC7 was [dramatic pause] brought down by controlled demolition.

People familiar with the complexity and careful preparation required to cut complicated steel structures with explosives might roll their eyes at the implication that the months of exposing the steelwork and drilling and sawing and charge placement and connecting went unnoticed in a busy 24/7 occupied building.

Or that the demolition charges all fired perfectly and in sequence after the ground floors were scalloped out by debris from WTC1 and a 7-hour fire.

Or that the building collapsed without any of the external telltales of explosive demolition.

But, then, those doubtful people are not University Experts who were paid US$316,000 by Troofers for their opinions.

Indolent
Indolent
September 13, 2023 9:06 am
Roger
Roger
September 13, 2023 9:07 am

Would they like to name these organisations so we can check if they are really on board with YES?

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the cited 181 organisations are on board.

The people they purport to represent is another matter.

JC
JC
September 13, 2023 9:08 am

I’ve no insight on 911 as like everyone else around the world, we watched it on TV.

There’s a few things that will never leave me though.

A couple of nights after, there was a severe thunderstorm that woke up the city in fright. Our little girl came running into our room and slept in middle.

The acrid smell of computer wires whenever there was an uptown wind just got into your throat causing coughing fits.

Crossie
Crossie
September 13, 2023 9:10 am

H B Bear
Sep 13, 2023 8:54 AM
My impression of the reaction to Prof Langton’s recent contribution,
“You’re not helping.”

Oh yes she is, the NO side.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 13, 2023 9:10 am

in cases of a lithium-ion battery fire firefighters will cool down the battery and place it in a container with water to stop re-ignitions.

My EV battery fire training said ‘order 10 tons of water and quarantine for 3 days’ …. I note that one of the toasted EVs from the recent car ship fire self ignited a month later, as it was being removed…

JC
JC
September 13, 2023 9:17 am

There’s a really good vid of … all people ..Trump giving a really good detailed explanation how and why the buildings came down. Dunno where a saw it but it was great. Just over the last few days.

Indolent
Indolent
September 13, 2023 9:17 am

Robin Monotti
@robinmonotti

The Harm Caused by Masks
A new study suggests that the excess carbon dioxide breathed in by mask-wearers can have major health consequences.
“While eight times the normal level of carbon dioxide is toxic, research suggests that mask-wearers (specifically those who wear masks for more than 5 minutes at a time) are breathing in 35 to 80 times normal levels.

Mask-wearers breathe in greater amounts of air that should have been expelled from their bodies and released out into the open. “[A] significant rise in carbon dioxide occurring while wearing a mask is scientifically proven in many studies,” write the German authors. “Fresh air has around 0.04% CO2,” they observe, while chronic exposure at CO2 levels of 0.3 percent is “toxic.” How much CO2 do mask-wearers breathe in? The authors write that “masks bear a possible chronic exposure to low level carbon dioxide of 1.41–3.2% CO2 of the inhaled air in reliable human experiments.

What can breathing too much carbon dioxide do to you? The authors write that “at levels between 0.05% and 0.5% CO2,” one might experience an “increased heart rate, increased blood pressure and overall increased circulation with the symptoms of headache, fatigue, difficulty concentrating, dizziness, rhinitis, and dry cough.” Rates above 0.5 percent can lead to “reduced cognitive performance, impaired decision-making and reduced speed of cognitive solutions.” Beyond 1 percent, “the harmful effects include respiratory acidosis, metabolic stress, increased blood flow and decreased exercise tolerance.” Again, mask-wearers are likely breathing in CO2 levels between 1.4 percent and 3.2 percent—well above any of these thresholds. What’s more, “Testes metabolism and cell respiration have been shown to be inhibited increasingly by rising levels of CO2.

So, high blood pressure, reduced thinking ability, respiratory problems, and reproductive concerns are among the many possible results of effectively poisoning oneself by breathing in too much carbon dioxide.

The authors write that “it is clear that carbon dioxide rebreathing, especially when using N95 masks, is above the 0.8% CO2 limit set by the US Navy to reduce the risk of stillbirths and birth defects on submarines with female personnel who may be pregnant.” In other words, mandates have forced pregnant women to wear masks resulting in levels of CO2 inhalation that would be prohibited if they were serving on a Navy submarine.

Indeed, according to the authors, there exists “circumstantial evidence that popular mask use may be related to current observations of a significant rise of 28% to 33% in stillbirths worldwide and a reduced verbal, motor, and overall cognitive performance of two full standard deviations in scores in children born during the pandemic.”

They cite recent data from Australia, which “shows that lockdown restrictions and other measures (including masks that have been mandatory in Australia), in the absence of high rates of COVID-19 disease, were associated with a significant increase in stillborn births.” Meantime, “no increased risk of stillbirths was observed in Sweden,” which famously defied the public-health cabal and went its own way in setting Covid policies.”

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 13, 2023 9:18 am

Some people heard explosions at Tower 7?

Steel letting go makes a big bang.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 13, 2023 9:18 am

I also don’t believe the USAF would actually order a suicide mission when they could have shot it down with BVR missiles.

Pretty sure everyone in the chain of command would want visual confirmation
before putting a bird in the air.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 13, 2023 9:19 am

Who was the mastermind genius who said, years ago, that fire could not melt steel?

The devil is in the details…. steel is melted or softened regularly, we know what temps are required – said temperatures are higher than are generated by office fires… and WTC7 was just an office fire, no jetfuel (jetfuel, btw, also doesnt burn hot enough to soften structural steel – and they considered this in the designs of WTC 1&2 – both were designed to survive a fully laden 707 impact).. this is why *no* similar steelframed highrise has collapsed from fire before or since, and there have been dozens of them.

If something smells bad, it smells bad, however much it offends your sensibilities.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 13, 2023 9:19 am

Interesting to contrast the reaction to EV fires to say … um … the Ford Pinto. Might be an agenda here.

Anchor What
Anchor What
September 13, 2023 9:20 am

The Bungonia Bee:
Sky News Annaliese Neilsen crosses to Democrat Senator Fetterman for an opinion on Biden impeachment move.
(Oh, wait a minute; that was real, not satire)

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 13, 2023 9:21 am

Of course, the Ford Pinto caught fire in an accident as opposed to spontaneously and randomly in your garage.

Barry
Barry
September 13, 2023 9:22 am

Commercial AI is only just now catching up with Three-Letter-Agency AI of 25 years ago.

Did any of you see with your own eyes the planes fly into the towers?

All you saw was 480p AI spewed directly from the bowels of the CIA/NSA.

50,000 people worked in the towers normally, why only 3,600 deaths?

Saudi Plot = Russian dossier = Covid19 = Y2k = Silent Spring = ……….

You are in a simulation – the crises are just plot point to keep you from leaving the game and heading to the pleasureholodeck.

Johnny Rotten
September 13, 2023 9:23 am

Why is Bill Gates Buying Anheuser-Buch Shares?

“Bud Light, America’s former #1 selling beer, has fallen after the company went woke. So why then would billionaire Bill Gates purchase 1.7 million shares worth around $95 million in parent company Anheuser-Busch? Through the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Trust, the fake philanthropist is purchasing numerous shares of alcoholic beverages. He also bought a 3.76% stake in Heineken Holding NV or 10.8 million shares worth $939.87 million at the time.

What was considered essential during the pandemic? Alcohol. Liquor stores were permitted to remain open throughout the entire pandemic to quiet the masses. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) reported that a quarter of people began drinking more than usual during the dark days of the pandemic, and alcohol sales jumped 3%. We know from countless other studies that mental health issues skyrocketed at this time, and the NIH stated that many began drinking more as a coping mechanism. The same phenomenon happened in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina in 2005 when alcohol sales went through the roof, and years earlier, the alcohol industry profited off the back off the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy a glass of scotch from time to time. However, one must wonder why every health organization and government deemed alcohol, a known carcinogen, an essential during the pandemic. The CIA once studied how to “promote the intoxicating effects of alcohol” during the MKUltra studies. Of course, the disturbed researchers also laced the alcohol with other drugs, but they found alcohol could “enhance the ability of individuals to withstand privation, torture and coercion.”

Panic sells alcohol. People were less likely to take to the streets when they were home, numb to their existence. If there were another lockdown due to the climate or a virus, alcohol would still be deemed an essential service that all must be able to access. Bill Gates is preparing to profit off of our suffering in every way possible.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/why-is-bill-gates-buying-anheuser-buch-shares/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Chris
Chris
September 13, 2023 9:24 am

This is the last time I come to an IPA event. They seem to feel free to waste my time. I should bill them. Less the nibbles and plonk

The IPA magazine was the first ray of hope for me in Australia in 1999, when I watched the ABC and read newspapers.
People challenging the narrative that I, my sex, my industry, my family, my values, my history, my heterosexuality were somehow bad? WOW!

Indolent
Indolent
September 13, 2023 9:25 am
Roger
Roger
September 13, 2023 9:26 am

Georgia’s governor suspends fuel excise as an emergency measure to provide relief to residents; says Bidenomics is draining the pockets of the middle class and dampening the state’s economy.

Indolent
Indolent
September 13, 2023 9:26 am
Diogenes
Diogenes
September 13, 2023 9:28 am

I know the lived experience argument is generally bullshit. I

Mrs Ds uncle by marriage was working in the Pentagon on 9/11 and lost a few friends in the attack. He was helping recover injured and dying within 10 minutes of the strike. He still has mild PSTD from it.

Tell him it wasn’t a plane and you might come out of ICU in 3 months.

I absolutely love the implied racism in the conspiracy theories. “Those dumb camel jockeys can’t possibly be smart enough to plan and execute an attack like this”.(paging Dale Brown – Storming Heaven 1994.)

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 9:32 am

Pretty sure everyone in the chain of command would want visual confirmation
before putting a bird in the air.

Fair enough my point was really why endanger precious planes and pilots when the attacks might have been foreshadowing a more capable conventional threat.

I really can’t see the USAF giving kamikaze orders.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 9:34 am

Steel letting go makes a big bang.

Sure, my point is if the conspiracy theories are right as far as the observations are concerned, there are fairly conventional explanations as to what happened, some of which were suppressed for national security reasons.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 9:35 am

I absolutely love the implied racism in the conspiracy theories. “Those dumb camel jockeys can’t possibly be smart enough to plan and execute an attack like this”.(paging Dale Brown – Storming Heaven 1994.)

They’re as smart as buggery, how many Saudis got punished for 9/11?

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 9:37 am

50,000 people worked in the towers normally, why only 3,600 deaths?

Because it was early morning, they didn’t hit the bottom, they didn’t hit simultaneously and thousands got out or were “merely” injured and you are also forgetting that there was a shift schedule for the custodial staff.

Those who died, died on impact or were trapped.

JC
JC
September 13, 2023 9:38 am

Duk

Heavy jets smashed into those buildings fully loaded with fuel. That’s no regular, garden variety “office fire”. The overhead sprinklers aren’t going to put out that “office fire”.

Watch the Trump video. It will explain everything in detail and put your mind at ease.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 9:39 am

Old article (April 2023).

Block’s under fire Cash App will still come to Australia

https://www.afr.com/companies/financial-services/block-s-under-fire-cash-app-will-still-come-to-australia-20230327-p5cvm9

So you may have a banking alternative soon.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 13, 2023 9:40 am

Indolent
Sep 13, 2023 9:26 AM

JFK Is Easy, Now Do TWA Flight 800

Indolent as a plnae enthusiast and only 747-8 yet to fly on, I had to give that a thumbs down

https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/article/what-caused-twa-flight-800-to-explode-mid-air/

BACKGROUND

On July 17, 1996, TWA Flight 800, a Boeing 747-131 with 230 passengers and crew on board, exploded mid-air shortly after takeoff. The flight was scheduled to depart JFK International Airport for Paris’ Charles de Gaulle Airport at 7 p.m. EDT but was delayed over an hour due to issues with ground equipment and a problem matching luggage to one of the passengers. It eventually departed in dusk conditions at 8:19 p.m. Weather in the area was calm, with light wind, scattered clouds and visibility greater than 10 nm. After takeoff, the pilots were issued a series of altitude and directional changes by ATC. Their last communication was with Boston Center, occurring at 8:30 p.m., confirming a climb to one- five-thousand. Less than a minute later, the plane exploded. Its fiery debris rained down into the Atlantic Ocean, just outside East Moriches, New York. There were no survivors.

NTSB FINDINGS

Despite initial concerns, on November 18, 1997, the FBI concluded that the incident wasn’t a result of terrorist activity. The investigation was then continued by the NTSB, which released its findings on August 23, 2000. According to the report, the most probable cause was ignition of a flammable fuel/air mixture in the center wing fuel tank. The energy source of the spark igniting the explosion was never able to be conclusively determined, but according to the report, a short circuit outside the tank most likely allowed infiltration of voltage through wiring of the fuel quantity indication system. Several indicators of electrical anomalies were noted prior to the explosion, backing the NTSB’s findings. For example, about 10 minutes after takeoff, the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) captured the flight’s captain, Ralph Kevorkian, voicing concerns over “a crazy fuel flow indicator on number four.” The fuel quantity probe read 640 pounds, significantly higher than the 300 pounds recorded by the ground refueler. A test run on the probe by the NTSB demonstrated that applying power to one of the wires leading into the gauge would result in a change of several hundred pounds to the digital display.

– MISSILE THEORY
– METEOROID THEORY

THE VERDICT

While it’s the most benign theory, it wasn’t a meteoroid. For one, witnesses claim that the streak of light started at ground level, not outer space. Then again, witnesses aren’t the most reliable source, which is why the missile theory can’t be substantiated, either.

As such, the most probable cause is the one cited by the NTSB, especially given that this isn’t the only center fuel tank explosion in a Boeing aircraft. In 1990, the center tank exploded on Philippine Airlines Flight 143, a Boeing 737-3Y0, shortly before takeoff, killing eight. Then, in 2001, Thai Airways Flight 114, a Boeing 737-400, was destroyed by a center wing tank explosion prior to boarding, resulting in a crew fatality.

As for the explosive residue found on the wreckage—well, while the NTSB can’t be 100% sure, it strongly believes it either came from contamination when the aircraft was used during the Gulf War or, most likely, from an explosive-detection dog-training exercise conducted just a few weeks before the crash.

To prevent further incidents, the FAA issued safety changes to the fuel pumps and wiring of all Boeing aircraft with center fuel tanks.

JC
JC
September 13, 2023 9:42 am

Dot

The lower floors got out by the stairwells.

JC
JC
September 13, 2023 9:42 am

Dover

We need Bird for a post 911 cameo.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 9:44 am

The lower floors got out by the stairwells.

Yep. How is this a mystery unless everyone recording it, amateur and professional, had paid thousands and thousands of “crisis actors”?

Like someone else mentioned before, the execution of a conspiracy theory makes it fall flat on the face of it. The sheer number of conspirators makes them (typically) impossible.

Crossie
Crossie
September 13, 2023 9:45 am

Anchor What
Sep 13, 2023 9:20 AM
The Bungonia Bee:
Sky News Annaliese Neilsen crosses to Democrat Senator Fetterman for an opinion on Biden impeachment move.
(Oh, wait a minute; that was real, not satire)

Oh, come on. Surely not even that bobble-head could be that stupid.

Got a link? I would love to see it.

Roger
Roger
September 13, 2023 9:48 am

…how many Saudis got punished for 9/11?

They won’t escape justice.

Quite a few have already met their maker.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 13, 2023 9:49 am

Just throwing in a curve ball.

I’ve never come across an adequate explanation as to how everything was turning into a fine dust as the towers collapsed. This is footage I’ve never seen before. Those remaining steel columns just turning into dust? Those cars in the parking lot also is a curiosity?

Interesting interview.

—-

Stew Peters Show:

Where did the Twin Tower debris go?
Andrew Johnson is here to talk about the possibility of direct energy weapons being used to vaporize the World Trade Center on 9/11.
The people who believe the official government backed 9/11 narrative are the same people who believe the government is here to help.
Andrew Johnson believes the Twin Towers were vaporized and turned to dust.
Even the New York Times tried to explain away the dust phenomena.
Dr. Judy Wood has a theory that the towers collapsed on 9/11 as a result of something called “free energy technology”.
Initially, Andrew believed the official government backed 9/11 narrative.
Then, he believed that the towers were downed using pre-placed explosives.
Eventually, Andrew rejected these theories after he watched a film called “911 The Great Illusion”.
The film demonstrated the towers disappearing over the course of 9 seconds.
80% to 90% of the steel turned to dust in a matter of seconds.
The thermite theory made popular over the years doesn’t make sense because thermite is incendiary and not an explosive.
The thermite theory seems to be controlled by opposition and misinformation.
Dr. Judy Wood believes beyond a shadow of a doubt that Direct Energy Weapons were used on September 11, 2001.
The people who jumped off the buildings is also a mystery.
Many of the people may have also turned to dust and there are some very gruesome stories that back these claims.
Andrew Johnson agrees that the evidence is conclusive and Direct Energy Weapons were used to destroy the Twin Towers.

Directed Energy Weapon Downs WTC: 9/11 False Flag Turned Towers Into Dust

Davey Boy
September 13, 2023 9:49 am

Spotted just now in the mall next to (western Sydney’s) Fairfield Forum (shopping complex) a.bunch of wapipo (obviously not locals, lol) handing out “Vote Yes on 14 October” pamphlets, which are written in English. Said wapipo are also attempting to engage passers-by (and some of the homeless sitting around) in conversation. Fairfield is full of “employment services” shops and most locals speak “community languages”. Australia, you’re standing in it.

bons
bons
September 13, 2023 9:53 am

We have always absolutely loved ballet and were members of QLD Ballet for ages.
All of that stopped last year. We were in Brisbane on other business and chose to attend the Ballet’s AGM. Probably for the drinks and eaties afterwards.
We were horrified. We had no idea that the Ballet was a bought and paid for subsidiary of the Chook government.
Massive Government funding and infrastructure support, and dripping woke which pervaded every element of the agenda. It is quite simply a Labor bribe for the elite.
Given their balance sheet we were outraged that they continue to play the financially stressed mendicant.
We are no longer members but continue to attend selected events as customers not drones.
And yes they are also talking about blackfella discounts.
You can imagine the inevitable progression from racist whitey dance to 60,000 years of First Nation choreography.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 9:56 am

I’ve never come across an adequate explanation as to how everything was turning into a fine dust as the towers collapsed. This is footage I’ve never seen before. Those remaining steel columns just turning into dust? Those cars in the parking lot also is a curiosity?

There is a film of an F-4 Phantom being driven on a rocket sled into a very thick concrete wall.

It disintegrates, and the wall also partially as well.

Total Destruction Redux: F4 Phantom vs. Concrete Wall – Additional Camera Angles

The people who jumped off the buildings is also a mystery.

Are you actually serious?

They didn’t want to be burnt alive!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 13, 2023 10:00 am

Interesting Tracking my youngsters flight from Washington to LAX on Flightradar24,
noticed above them a Plane tracking same direction with N/A – no flight nymber

Clicked on plane and would you believe N/A is Airforce One 747
– coming up toward Quincy

Tom
Tom
September 13, 2023 10:03 am

Given their balance sheet we were outraged that they continue to play the financially stressed mendicant.

Bons, I’d love to see Queensland Ballet’s latest annual report financial statements to look at the accounting tricks they are using to launder their wealth.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 13, 2023 10:06 am

The devil is in the details…. steel is melted or softened regularly, we know what temps are required – said temperatures are higher than are generated by office fires… and WTC7 was just an office fire, no jetfuel (jetfuel, btw, also doesnt burn hot enough to soften structural steel…

AFAIK nobody has seriously suggested that the WTC7 steel frame melted or was softened. This seems to be a Troofers straw man – ‘it couldn’t have happened because 1400°C, therefore CIA super-explosives dropped off by cleaners the night before is the only remaining option’.

The ‘official’ (and, from an engineering perspective, most plausible) conclusion was that, because the fire sprinkler system was knocked out (by the fairly unusual circumstances of WTC1 falling on the local water supply main), the fires were hot enough for long enough for thermal expansion of the very long horizontal steel structural members to displace the vertical steel supports.
And the rest was gravity.

But, then, they would say that…

calli
calli
September 13, 2023 10:13 am

Because it was early morning,

Yes. I knew someone who was in the foyer when the second plane hit. Waiting for the lift up to an early meeting. Decided, like many others, that it might not be a good idea to hop in. Went outside, saw…things…and kept walking for blocks. Took him a while to process what he’d seen. A very down to earth, rational finance guy, not much imagination so to my mind completely trustworthy.

Thing is, the site is so huge he didn’t register that the first plane had hit, simply because he was on the other side and didn’t look up.

I don’t know whether the entire thing being built on reclaimed land with that massive slurry wall holding it all “up” had an impact on sites further afield. The design was to keep the buildings upright and stable, not to withstand the crushing weight of them pancaking.

calli
calli
September 13, 2023 10:17 am

The people who jumped off the buildings is also a mystery.

That is just sick shit. We know why the poor buggers jumped. Some even made phone calls before they did it. Please stop the ghoulish speculation.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 13, 2023 10:20 am

One thing people miss with the tower collapses is a thing known in geology as a base surge.

They are mainly known from the collapse of lava domes in active volcanoes, where the result is a pyroclastic surge. However they also occur in big explosions as stuff blown into the air collapses down and outwards. The Hunga Tonga volcanic explosion caused underwater base surges that took out fibre optic cables many km from the eruption site.

Tonga volcano unleashed fastest ever undersea flows: study (Phys.org, 7 Sep)

The tower collapse very likely caused such a surge too, which can lift large boulders and hurl them horizontally at 100 mph or more. I haven’t looked up the data about Building 7 but going on what Duk said earlier it sounded like a base surge took out the supporting pillars at ground level, whereupon down she’d come like a Queenslander with the stilts knocked out from under it.

As the tower fell the material would form a cone shaped mound at the core of the collapse and that would deflect large pieces of concrete out sideways like a gigantic circular shot gun. Which is pretty much what a base surge is.

calli
calli
September 13, 2023 10:21 am

Oh okay.

Rake over their terrible suffering and fear. It makes for eyeballs on screens and of course can be monetised. Anything for a quick buck.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 13, 2023 10:21 am

Electric cars have a road trip problem, even for the secretary of energy

When Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm set out on a four-day electric-vehicle road trip this summer, she knew charging might be a challenge. But she probably didn’t expect anyone to call the cops.

Granholm’s trip through the southeast, from Charlotte, N.C., to Memphis, Tenn., was intended to draw attention to the billions of dollars the White House is pouring into green energy and clean cars. The administration’s ambitious energy agenda, if successful, could significantly cut U.S. emissions and reshape Americans’ lives in fundamental ways, including by putting many more people in electric vehicles.

calli
calli
September 13, 2023 10:23 am

That last wasn’t directed at this site, just the foul “truthers” exploiting the tragedy even after twenty two years.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 13, 2023 10:26 am

Here’s What The House GOP Should Do Right Now To Fight Democrats’ Republic-Crushing Lawfare

If House Republicans don’t jump into the deep end, the Democrat lawfare campaign may succeed in taking out Trump. That will be the beginning of the end of our republic.

House Republicans are bringing a butter knife to a gunfight as Democrats, including their media and government lapdogs, conduct an unprecedented lawfare campaign to destroy President Trump.

Through a series of lawless indictments and bogus civil lawsuits, Democrat prosecutors are waging an all-out political war on Donald Trump.

Their goal is to weaken Trump or outright eliminate him from the 2024 presidential race. At a minimum, they want Trump on the defensive, distracted by legal issues, instead of focusing on the American people during his campaign.

They know they can’t beat him on Nov. 5, 2024, so their ultimate goal is to imprison him.

It’s a playbook straight out of any third-world Marxist hellhole.

House Republicans must step up and go on offense.

Democrats only respect power.

So using power is the only way to hold Democrats accountable and stop this corrupt and un-American lawfare campaign that is singularly focused on keeping the Republican front-runner out of the White House.

Speeches, television appearances, and strongly worded letters are not enough.

Biden has compromised himself by becoming involved with his corrupt son’s selling of the family name and White House access to make millions from foreign despots.

He’s shown a willingness to sell out his country to enrich his family. Every day that Congress sits idly by and does nothing about it is a disgrace.

Likewise, Garland has weaponized the Justice Department to protect Biden and his corrupt son. He is abusing federal law enforcement resources to go after his boss’s chief political opponent while ignoring rampant crime in our cities and at our border.

This is a dereliction of duty and an abuse of power, and he should be removed from office.

House Judiciary Republicans should start their investigations with officials at Biden’s DOJ — namely Garland, Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco, FBI Director Christopher Wray, Special Counsel Jack Smith, and Smith’s counselor Jay Bratt. The timing of these indictments — after waiting 30 months after Trump left office — is not random. They are choreographed.

The subpoenas can’t be isolated to just the Biden Justice Department. House Judiciary Republicans should obtain each and every piece of correspondence related to Trump from New York Attorney General Letitia James, Bragg, his lead prosecutor Matthew Colangelo, and Willis.

This lawfare campaign is so extensive that those names should only be the start — there will surely be more to uncover.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 13, 2023 10:30 am

There is a film of an F-4 Phantom being driven on a rocket sled into a very thick concrete wall.

Seen it. It doesn’t explain dustification at free fall speed.

Nice try though.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 13, 2023 10:31 am

The Biden Administration Misleads the Public on the Vast Expanses of Land Needed for ‘Net Zero’

By James Varney, RealClearInvestigations
September 12, 2023

The Department of Energy’s official line – echoed by many environmental activists and academics – is that the vast array of solar panels and wind turbines required to meet Biden’s goal of “100% clean electricity” by 2035 will require “less than one-half of one percent of the contiguous U.S. land area.” This topline number translates into 15,000 of the lower 48’s roughly 3 million square miles.

However, the government report that furnished those estimates also notes that the wind farm footprint alone could require an expanse nine times as large: 134,000 square miles.

Even that figure is misleading because it does not include land for the new transmission systems that would connect the energy, created by the solar panels carpeting the ground and skyscraper-tall wind turbines filling the horizons, to American businesses and homes.

“It’s hundreds of thousands of acres if not millions for transmissions alone,” said David Blackmon, an energy consultant and writer based in Texas. “The wind and solar farms will take enormous swaths of land all over the country and no one is talking about that.”???

And these vast plots, along with the chains of transmission towers, do not include other aspects that would take up even more land: nationwide vehicle charging stations, mines for rare-earth minerals, maintenance space for huge propeller blades and panels, and so forth.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 13, 2023 10:31 am

That is just sick shit. We know why the poor buggers jumped. Some even made phone calls before they did it. Please stop the ghoulish speculation.

That particular horror is one of my most vivid memories of the day.

Another was some numb brain Australian news commentator speculating on the task of ‘rescuing survivors’ after the first tower collapsed. (Forgivable, being paid to say words against the unfolding and incomprehensible awfulness.)

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 13, 2023 10:34 am

Elon’s Superheavy caused something similar to a base surge – the rocket was so powerful it shredded the reinforced concrete launch pad and threw large lumps of concrete up to km away – enough to cause serious damage to this guy’s van.

Powerful Blast from SpaceX’s Starship Damages Launch Pad and Wrecks Nearby Minivan (21 Apr)

Fun video.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 13, 2023 10:36 am

calli
Sep 13, 2023 10:17 AM
The people who jumped off the buildings is also a mystery.

That is just sick shit. We know why the poor buggers jumped. Some even made phone calls before they did it. Please stop the ghoulish speculation.

The towers turning into dust is the main focus.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 10:38 am

The towers turning into dust is the main focus.

Sufficient energy after heat and structural stress.

Stop being an idiot all of your life.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 13, 2023 10:41 am

It doesn’t explain dustification at free fall speed.

Metallurgists use autogenous mills to grind rock up. The mill media is the rock being ground up, unlike say a ball mill where steel balls are added. The falling concrete was its own grinding media in a gigantic autogenous mill.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 13, 2023 10:42 am

That last wasn’t directed at this site, just the foul “truthers” exploiting the tragedy even after twenty two years.

The “truthers” as pointed out in the clip I posted above have been shown to be deliberate disinformation plants.

Distraction squirrels.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 13, 2023 10:42 am

Some people heard explosions at Tower 7?

Steel letting go makes a big bang.

Certainly does.
This is another of the rich crop of urban myths we get to enjoy this time each year.

The ‘sound of explosions’ was reported by a first responder within the building. If this actually was the opening salvo of demolition charges cracking off, the report would have been delivered by ouija board.

In any event, Those Who Know know the whole thing was brought down by a nuke fired off 400m below ground level.
I read it here.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 10:45 am

How TF does a “directed energy weapon” make for a simpler yet more adequate explanation of pancaking building floors?

This is some real crap, Trickler.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 13, 2023 10:46 am

Qantas loses High Court appeal

Qantas board ‘has to go’: transport union

The Transport Workers’ Union is calling for the Qantas board to resign following today’s decision, claiming the board and its chairman, Richard Goyder, were “complicit in the illegal sacking of 1700 workers” and, on numerous occasions, “backed in Alan Joyce in relation to this very decision”.

TWU national secretary Michael Kaine said Qantas had been governed by “a spiteful dictatorship” and the board had been “right behind Alan Joyce”.

“But their last act before they walk out the door should be to rip away from Alan Joyce the obscene bonuses that he has taken as these families suffer,” Kaine said.

“The bonuses have to go, the board has to go, and a message for the new CEO Vanessa Hudson is ‘you owe these workers and their families a deep and sincere apology’.”

calli
calli
September 13, 2023 10:47 am

One of the stories involved a Time magazine photographer – he’d been everywhere, covering war zones and other horrors so no slouch when it came to photography under pressure.

He was “old school”, collecting 28 rolls of film and heading downtown the moment he got the news. He arrived and stayed, photo after photo, until the first tower started to crumble. Last iconic picture was the vaporising building as a backdrop to a cross on a nearby church.

He then decided it might not do his health any good to linger, so scarpered. Just in time. Into the first doorway he found, across the lobby and into a stairwell. Everything went black, but he knew he was still alive because he was breathing the concoction of burned paper and plaster. Outside…and all was covered with piles of pulverised building.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 13, 2023 10:49 am

Bruce of Newcastle
Sep 13, 2023 10:41 AM
It doesn’t explain dustification at free fall speed.

Metallurgists use autogenous mills to grind rock up. The mill media is the rock being ground up, unlike say a ball mill where steel balls are added. The falling concrete was its own grinding media in a gigantic autogenous mill.

I’m just curious, did you even watch the interview and the information presented?

Direct Energy Weapons takes the lead as the true cause I reckon. Of course, many believe such tech is sci-fi and that’s ok.

Thomas Bearden did a lecture on it years back and it’s very real.

Each to their own.

Chris
Chris
September 13, 2023 10:49 am

Steve trickler
Sep 13, 2023 10:42 AM

That last wasn’t directed at this site, just the foul “truthers” exploiting the tragedy even after twenty two years.

The “truthers” as pointed out in the clip I posted above

Dearie me. Anyone clicking a link associated with the spook tripe posted today would need to take their exposed brain and carefully, gently roll over it a very thick condom.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 13, 2023 10:51 am

Dot
Sep 13, 2023 10:45 AM
How TF does a “directed energy weapon” make for a simpler yet more adequate explanation of pancaking building floors?

This is some real crap, Trickler.

The MSM narrative is crap and you’ve gobbled it up and taken it as gospel.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 10:51 am

This is interesting. Some very peculiar things were said!

No DEW nonsense.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a5688/debunking-911-myths-flight-93/

According to Air National Guard spokesman Master Sgt. David Somdahl, Gibney flew an F-16 that morning—but nowhere near Shanksville. He took off from Fargo, North Dakota, and flew to Bozeman, Montana, to pick up Ed Jacoby Jr., the director of the New York State Emergency Management Office. Gibney then flew Jacoby from Montana to Albany, New York, so that Jacoby could coordinate 17,000 rescue workers engaged in the state’s response to 9/11.

Jacoby flew in the back of an F-16B or F-16D?

Okay then another

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/09/10/flight-93-911-national-guard

On what started as a normal day, Sasseville and his squadron were trying to understand the situation when the White House Joint Operation Center called to report another hijacked plane. There weren’t any pilots or planes ready to fly right then, he says, so the squadron moved quickly.

“After seeing what had happened, our thinking was if there are more airplanes, we have to stop them,” he says. “And we may be the only ones who can do that at this point.”

The planes didnt have missiles or bullets ready, so Sasseville got into an F-16 fighter jet with his wingman, Heather “Lucky” Penney, and set out on a suicide mission to take down Flight 93. After a quick conversation about how to complete the mission efficiently and who would take which part of the plane, the duo took off as soon as possible.

“Nobody ordered us to get into the air,” he says. “We knew what they were asking, though, and we weren’t going to just sit idly by and wait for the missiles.”

NOBODY ORDERED YOU TO DO A SUICIDE MISSION?

Technically they committed mutiny and planned a terrorist act!

I don’t doubt that.

I think this is a bit of myth-making so the public never has to come to terms with an F-16 shooting down a civilian airliner, even as a grim and necessary decision.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 13, 2023 10:52 am

Dot
Sep 13, 2023 10:45 AM

How TF does a “directed energy weapon” make for a simpler yet more adequate explanation of pancaking building floors?

This is some real crap, Trickler.

What Does Putin Mean by Weapons Based on ‘New Physical Principles’?

“If one looks into the security sphere, weapons based on new physical principles will ensure the security of any country in the near historical perspective. We understand this very well and are working on it,” Putin said in a wide-ranging speech at the Eastern Economic Forum on Tuesday.

Putin did not elaborate, leaving media and military observers scrambling in a search for more information.

The Russian Defense Ministry’s official online encyclopedia defines “weapons based on new physical principles” as “new types of arms whose destructive effect is based on processes and phenomena which have not previously been used for military purposes.”

As of the early 21st century, these weapons are said to include:

. Directed energy weapons (laser, accelerator, microwave and infrasonic-based arms designed to destroy or disable enemy manpower, equipment, or hardened facilities and infrastructure).

“All types of directed energy weapons are practically inertia-free, and with the exception of infrasonic weapons, are instantaneous […] The greatest successes” in this direction “have been achieved in improving laser weapons,” according to the MoD.

. Electromagnetic weapons (ultra-high frequency and laser-based), whose destructive properties are achieved through the use of a “powerful, usually pulsed stream of electromagnetic coherent optical radiation [featured in some types of lasers, ed.], or incoherent optical radiation.”

. Non-lethal weapons, designed to disable weapons, equipment, materiel, and personnel without inflicting irreparable losses on the latter. The Russian military divides these into anti-personnel, anti-equipment/materiel, and combined anti-personnel/anti-equipment/anti-materiel systems. These include various weapons designed to replace existing tools used by domestic security services, such as teargas, rubber bullets, psychotropic devices, infrasonic weapons, and electronic suppression, as well as military-grade biological and chemical agents which can decompose or otherwise render useless fuels, insulation and rubber products, and ultra-high frequency systems meant to disable radio-electronic components of enemy weapons and equipment.

. Geophysical weapons (seismic, climate, ozone, environmental), collectively defined by the MoD as “means to deliberately influence the environment to use the forces of nature for military purposes.” These hypothetical weapons are designed to act against the solid, liquid, and gaseous properties of the planet and its atmosphere, and can include using powerful explosives to cause earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, flooding, and other catastrophes, as well as altering the weather or climate in certain parts of the planet, resulting in droughts, floods, storms, etc. Ozone weapons are designed to create holes in the ozone layer, causing widespread damage using ultraviolet radiation from space across vast geographic areas. Finally, environmental weapons are categorized as those designed to target forests, crops, water, air, or soil resources, possibly through the use of chemical or biological agents.

. Radiological weapons include arms whose destructive effect “is based on the use of radioactive substances capable of poisoning manpower with ionizing radiation without a nuclear explosion,” with radiation-spewing materials obtained from the leftovers of nuclear fuel, or by exposing chemical elements to neutron fluxes to produce radioactive isotopes. These arms can be fitted inside shells, air-droppable bombs, missile warheads, and other conventional munitions, and are designed to contaminate the environment for tens if not hundreds of years.

. Finally, genetic weapons are defined as “a type of weapon capable of damaging the genetic (hereditary) apparatus of human beings,” including through the use of viruses with mutagenic properties, as well as “mutations derived from natural sources by chemical synthesis or biotechnological methods, to cause damage or changes to DNA. This type of prospective weaponry is considered particularly dangerous in light of “the unpredictability of the consequences” of their use, in the Russian military’s estimation.

Lysander
Lysander
September 13, 2023 10:53 am

Qantas loses High Court appeal

Next headline? High Court Justices lose Qantas loungeman access?

Indolent
Indolent
September 13, 2023 10:54 am

Those who died, died on impact or were trapped.

And those told to stay in place and did so instead of evacuating.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 13, 2023 10:54 am

The falling concrete was its own grinding media in a gigantic autogenous mill.

Correct.
And broken out of its reinforcement, concrete has a very low tensile strength compared to the types of rock you’d be grinding in an autogenous mill. It would grind quickly and freely.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 10:55 am

I KNOW WHAT A *&^%ING LASER IS. HOW DO YOU METHODICALLY DESTROY A VERY BUILDING WITH AN X-RAY LASER YOU IMBECILES!?

The idea that a DEW is a simpler explanation is bonkers.

Stew Peters is a controlled opposition. No one can possibly be as dumb as this stupid ^%$#.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 13, 2023 10:56 am

Not sure if Trickler is extracting the micturition or is just a bleedin’ loony.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 10:57 am

VERY LARGE

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 13, 2023 10:57 am

Dot is behind the times. Regurgitating all the talking times that were on TV for the sheep to consume.

calli
calli
September 13, 2023 10:57 am

Photo here.

James Natchwey.

Robert Sewell
September 13, 2023 11:01 am

ZK2A:

The former Labor politician and activist, who supports the referendum, said he is concerned about the way the debate has been progressing.

“We probably want to play some ads on Triple M-type FM rock radio stations to appeal to males over 50, who don’t want to vote for the voice,” he said at the Property Council’s annual conference in Adelaide.

Good. Another clot of multimillionaires telling us we are racist pigs.
That’ll help the “Yes” vote.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 13, 2023 11:03 am

Steve – I’m just adding comments from my own technical experience. I’ve not seen anything to invoke exotic explanations. The Roman Army would be quite unsurprised by how it went, since they were very good at using fire to take down walls. As was Saladin in the Seige of Jacob’s Forge. Gravity and fire, always gravity and fire.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 11:04 am

“The TV told me”

Which is now “I watched some goofball on BitChute”.

Stew Peters is controlled opposition.

calli
calli
September 13, 2023 11:04 am

Dover I will never, for even a moment, attempt to squish curiosity. Some of the engineering issues involved in the collapse fascinate me. It’s a unique event.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 13, 2023 11:05 am

OldOzzie
Sep 13, 2023 10:52 AM

You may find this of interest. What you have posted relates to this.

“If one looks into the security sphere, weapons based on new physical principles will ensure the security of any country in the near historical perspective. We understand this very well and are working on it,” Putin said in a wide-ranging speech at the Eastern Economic Forum on Tuesday.

Putin did not elaborate, leaving media and military observers scrambling in a search for more information.

Chuckle.

Secret Super Weapons That Drive Disarmament Negotiations – Lt. Col. Thomas Bearden

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 13, 2023 11:07 am

Dot
Sep 13, 2023 11:04 AM

Your opinions diminish in value with each post. So quick to shoot your mouth off.

Chris
Chris
September 13, 2023 11:07 am

I’m sure there are some ‘truthers’ that are involved in a grift. But I’m also sure there are some genuine people interested in exploring what happened.

I don’t think any of them made bank. The payoff is the excitement of pulling in a crowd all running in circles with hair on fire.

Robert Sewell
September 13, 2023 11:08 am

calli

Sep 12, 2023 7:16 PM
I really didn’t want to engage in warfare there. Hadn’t there been enough?

Sometimes a riposte is necessary – even mandatory – when confronted with a dickhead who refuses to learn to shut up.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 11:11 am

You should be able to explain how the WTC towers were brought down with DEW in about 500 words or two A4 pages of handwritten notes.

Sure, some stuff might need more explanation, just a quick summary.

If you can’t, you’re full of shit.

How much energy would be required in the first place?

You’d need a road train with its own mini nuclear plant on the back to power it.

How could you destroy one building so symmetrically without the ability to modulate the waveform shape and size?

Where were these DEW positioned? How was the beam waveguided around objects? So was it quantum tunneled past these objects instead?

Who fired them? Under whose authority?

It is a ridiculously dumb idea.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 13, 2023 11:13 am

Paging Joe Vialls to reception!
Joe Vialls, please!

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 13, 2023 11:15 am

Sometimes a riposte is necessary – even mandatory – when confronted with a dickhead who refuses to learn to shut up.

Anyone who has not been scrolling trickler for months has not been paying attention. This blog is off the pace.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 13, 2023 11:15 am

Steve trickler
Sep 13, 2023 11:05 AM

OldOzzie
Sep 13, 2023 10:52 AM

You may find this of interest. What you have posted relates to this.

“If one looks into the security sphere, weapons based on new physical principles will ensure the security of any country in the near historical perspective. We understand this very well and are working on it,” Putin said in a wide-ranging speech at the Eastern Economic Forum on Tuesday.

Putin did not elaborate, leaving media and military observers scrambling in a search for more information.

Chuckle.

Secret Super Weapons That Drive Disarmament Negotiations – Lt. Col. Thomas Bearden

Steve,

thanks have bookmarked and will watch when babysitting this afternoon, 4pm as Sun sets, 2 year old Neurotic Female Beagle whose Pack Family (my youngest daughter, SIL, 3 Grandsons) is on trip of lifetime to America

Lysander
Lysander
September 13, 2023 11:18 am

Why does every report on Kim Jong Un say “his armoured train?” So what?

I’m not a fan of the guy (like most people) but most, if not all leaders, travel is armoured cars, jeeps, busses, trains etc… (not trucks though :P).

Chris
Chris
September 13, 2023 11:20 am

Paging Joe Vialls to reception!
Joe Vialls, please!

LOL.
It just reeks of a Tavistock operation. I swear, this concentration of weaponised deadshits could only be brought together in a black swan event planned by Israeli public health authorities.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 13, 2023 11:20 am

Dot
Sep 13, 2023 11:11 AM
You should be able to explain how the WTC towers were brought down with DEW in about 500 words or two A4 pages of handwritten notes.

Get of your arse and find out for yourself. Start with Bearden @11:05 AM

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 13, 2023 11:22 am

‘Biblical suffering’: More than 5000 dead in Libya dam collapse

Tripoli | More than 5000 people were killed in Libya after torrential rains caused two dams to burst near the coastal city of Derna, destroying much of the city and carrying entire neighbourhoods into the sea, local authorities said on Tuesday (Wednesday AEST).

Libya, a North African nation splintered by a war, was ill-prepared for the storm, called Daniel, which swept across the Mediterranean Sea to batter its coastline.

The country is administered by two rival governments, complicating rescue and aid efforts, and despite its vast oil resources, its infrastructure had been poorly maintained after more than a decade of political chaos.

In the city of Derna alone, at least 5200 people died, said Tarek al-Kharraz, a spokesman for the interior ministry of the government that oversees Eastern Libya, according to the Libyan television station al-Masar. But the floodwaters also swept through other eastern settlements, including Shahhat, Al-Bayda and Marj, and at least 20,000 people were displaced.

Thousands more were missing and the death toll is likely to rise in the coming days. The flooding left bodies scattered in the streets while buckling buildings, sinking vehicles and blocking roads, impeding access to the most stricken areas.

“We still cannot comprehend the magnitude of what has happened,” said Jawhar Ali, 28, a Derna native who lives in Turkey and spent two sleepless nights seeking news from his family back home, where communications were cut off by the disaster. “The shock we are experiencing is terrible.”

Analysts said the country’s woes – political division, economic instability, corruption, environmental degradation and dilapidated infrastructure (Thanks Hillary Clinton)– seemed to coalesce in one catastrophe when the dams south of the city collapsed.

The flooding came days after an earthquake in Morocco, another North African nation, killed more than 2900 people.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 11:24 am

“Go watch hours and hours of mind-numbingly stupid shit”

No. You’re full of shit Trickler.

You can’t answer basic questions, you’re a retard insulting the victims and everyone else’s intelligence.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 13, 2023 11:24 am

Trouble at mill.

China’s defense minister not seen for two weeks (12 Sep)

BEIJING/WASHINGTON — There has been no sign of Chinese Defense Minister Li Shangfu in public for two weeks, touching off speculation about his fate.

President Xi’s cabinet lineup is now resembling Agatha Christie’s novel And Then There Were None. First, Foreign Minister Qin Gang goes missing, then the Rocket Force commanders go missing, and now Defense Minister Li Shangfu hasn’t been seen in public for two weeks. Who’s going to win this unemployment race? China’s youth or Xi’s cabinet? #MysteryInBeijingBuilding

Heh, send in Poirot, he’ll sort it all out.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 13, 2023 11:28 am

The F-16 story falls at the usual hurdles.
They are going to Hari-Kari into it, presumably to conceal any forensic evidence of missile attack.
But the whole thing is a vast gummint conspiracy, so why not just pop it off and destroy the evidence from the crash scene?
And how are the suicide missionaries alive to tell the tale?

calli
calli
September 13, 2023 11:28 am

Dover, I’ve seen that sequence of 7 collapsing before. That’s why I mentioned the slurry wall – 7 was just outside the perimeter. The unique pressure of the collapse of 1 might have distorted it and destabilised the foundations.

And that’s my 2 cent’s worth! 😀

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 13, 2023 11:29 am

Melting point of steel anyone?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 13, 2023 11:29 am

Bit Long but Interesting – Scroll Fast if not interested (Apple Magic Mouse Great)

Why only some airlines are allowed to fly in and out of Australia

A lack of transparency around the decision to block Qatar from increasing flights to Australia highlight that not all landing rights are created equal.

Jenny Wiggins
Infrastructure reporter

The federal government ignited a fire when it rejected a request from Qatar Airways in July to add more flights into Australia at a time of exorbitant airfares and widespread discontent with Qantas.

The lack of transparency around the government’s decision sparked furore, showing that not all landing rights are created equal.

So, just how competitive is our international aviation market? And why and how does the federal government control who flies in and out of Australia?

Which airlines fly in and out of Australia?

The most recent data on international airline activity by the Bureau of Infrastructure and Transport Research Economics (BITRE) shows that 57 international airlines including four dedicated freight airlines flew in and out of Australia during the month of March, carrying some 2.6 million passengers.

Airlines don’t disclose how much money they make from specific flight routes, so it is hard to compare the profitability of aviation agreements, but market share gives an insight into competition. If many airlines operate in a particular market, but a single airline dominates, then it’s not very competitive.

Qantas had the biggest share of the market with 17.6 per cent, followed by Jetstar with 10.9 per cent, Singapore Airlines with 10.4 per cent, Air New Zealand with 8.5 per cent, Emirates with 6.2 per cent, and Qatar Airways with 4.6 per cent.

Who controls landing rights in Australia?

While airports often ask for particular countries to be granted landing rights in Australia, it is the federal government – not airports – that chooses which country’s airlines can fly in and out.

Negotiations occur between governments behind closed doors and can be part of broader talks over trade and tourism to create bespoke arrangements known as bilateral air services agreements.

There are thousands of these agreements between countries globally, and Australia has more than 100 of them. Some agreements allow a country’s airlines in without any restrictions, others have limits in place around the number of seats, or services, they can provide in and out of the country each week.

The federal infrastructure and transport department says it considers the views of international airlines and airports, as well as tourism and trade operators, when reviewing requests from countries for more flights and that it uses bilateral air agreements to “advance Australia’s national interest”.

This creates opportunities for local airlines such as Qantas and Virgin Australia to lobby against agreements that would create foreign competition.

How do Australia’s air agreements compare with other countries?

Some countries, such as the US and Singapore, have lots of liberal air services agreements known as “open skies” arrangements that don’t restrict the routes airlines can fly, or how many flights they can have and how many passengers they can carry. In return, their own airlines get easy access to airports around the world.

Australia has open skies deals with seven nations: the United Kingdom, the United States, China, India, Singapore, New Zealand and Japan. By comparison, the US has more than 130 open skies agreements and Singapore has more than 60.

Some countries also form multilateral agreements. In 2001, Brunei, Chile, New Zealand, Singapore and the US signed a multilateral agreement that allows unlimited code sharing and flights.

All countries – whether they have open skies arrangements or not – generally don’t allow foreign airlines to collect passengers on domestic trips within their borders, an act known as “cabotage”, except when they are part of a single economic market (such as the European Union.)

This is partially due to safety concerns (foreign airlines are not regulated by Australian authorities) but to protect the local aviation industry.

So while Qatar Airways currently flies from Doha to Melbourne and onto Adelaide, it is not allowed to pick up new passengers in Melbourne and take them to Adelaide.

Why are some countries stricter than others?

Not every country wants to open its borders to unlimited flights from global airlines because some have stakes in government-owned airlines that they would like to protect.

This includes Indonesia, which owns Garuda Indonesia, and France, which has a 28.6 per cent stake in the Air France-KLM Group (the Dutch government owns another 9.3 per cent.)

Countries often have to choose between trying to attract more tourists by allowing in more airlines – potentially hurting their state-owned carrier – or setting strict controls limiting flights, which can push up prices.

New Zealand, which owns 51 per cent of Air New Zealand, has taken the former approach.

The Australian government no longer owns shares in Qantas after privatising the airline in the early 1990s but requires it to be at least 51 per cent Australian-owned to satisfy demands from unions that aviation jobs are kept in Australia (although ownership restrictions did not stop Qantas outsourcing the jobs of thousands of baggage handlers.)

Although Virgin Australia is owned by US private equity firm Bain Capital, it is considered a “designated Australian international airline” under bilateral air services agreements struck by the Australian government to ensure that it gets access to other countries under Australian agreements.

Even though Australia does not have state-controlled airlines, it imposes restrictions in many of its agreements, including limiting how often some airlines can fly to the nation’s four biggest airports in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth.

The government says restrictions in the biggest cities will encourage foreign airlines to fly to smaller international airports such as Canberra, Darwin and the Gold Coast, which have no restrictions.

Airlines, however, tend to argue it doesn’t make financial sense to fly directly to smaller airports because they can’t collect enough passengers to justify the cost.

A 2022 analysis of Australia’s bilateral air services agreements led by RMIT senior aviation lecturer Dr Iryna Heiets found that 41 of the 104 agreements reviewed had restrictions around the frequency and capacity of flights as well as the type of aircraft that could be flown.

The research paper concluded that Australia had a “low” rate of liberalisation and recommended it “open up the level of freedoms” in its agreements.

Why are there so many aviation rules?

Rules allowing nations to control their own airspace emerged during World War I and World War II, with some initially proposed during the 1919 Convention Relating to the Regulation of Aerial Navigation, More rules were established during the 1944 Convention on International Civil Aviation, commonly known as the “Chicago Convention”.

The Chicago Convention, which has been ratified by Australia, declares that “no state aircraft of a contracting state shall fly over the territory of another state or land thereon without authorisation by special agreement” and identified five initial “freedoms of the air” (four more freedoms were later added).

These freedoms allow airlines to fly over another country’s territory – such as Air New Zealand flying through Australian airspace en route to Singapore – as well as giving them rights to land to refuel or pick up cargo without collecting or offloading passengers.

The fifth freedom is considered particularly important for competition purposes because it permits an Australian airline such as Qantas to not only fly from Sydney to Singapore, but also collect passengers in Singapore and take them to a third nation, such as Britain.

Academics from the University of NSW have raised questions over whether Australia is breaching the Chicago Convention by trying to protect the profits of Australian airlines because signatories to the convention agree to establish air services “on the basis of equality of opportunity”.

The freedoms are used by countries as a basis for negotiating bilateral air services agreements, which are tracked by the International Civil Aviation Organisation, an agency of the United Nations.

Countries can, however, ban other nations from using their airspace. The European Union banned Russian-owned or controlled aircraft from flying over and landing in Europe last year after Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia subsequently closed its airspace to European countries.

Why is there so much fuss over Qatar Airways?

Australia’s current bilateral agreement with Qatar allows Qatar Airways to fly in and out of Australia 28 times every week (on any kind of aircraft) to either Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane or Perth, with a maximum of seven services to any of those four airports.

Qatar Airways, which has an alliance with Virgin Australia, is allowed another seven flights per week to those cities – as long as its planes then travel on to another smaller international airport.

But last year the Qatari government asked the Australian government if it could add another 21 flights each week to the four biggest airports as part of its existing bilateral agreement.

Qatar’s flights into Australia are more restricted than its Middle Eastern neighbour United Arab Emirates, which is allowed 168 services each way, each week, to the four biggest airports.

Globally, airlines have a long history of lobbying against granting too many flights to Middle Eastern carriers such as Emirates and Qatar Airways because they are owned by their governments and have plenty of cash, enabling them to undercut rivals on air fares.

Infrastructure and Transport Minister Catherine King last week said her predecessor, Michael McCormack, took years to allow Qatar Airways to add more flights and only granted approval for a small increase after adding an anti-dumping clause into the bilateral agreement. This means if lower fares are charged by Qatar that are considered below “normal value” in Australia, and could threaten the domestic industry, the government could restrict flights or charge a tariff.

Qantas previously lobbied against requests from Emirates to increase flights to Australia – until it struck its own alliance with Emirates in 2013.

Former Qantas boss Alan Joyce confirmed to a Senate inquiry last month that Qantas had “made representations” to the government following Qatar’s request and that giving Qatar Airways more flights would “cause distortion” in the market.

Would Australia benefit from being more open to foreign airlines?

Airports believe Australians would benefit from more open skies agreements, particularly with the European Union, which is a popular holiday destination.

A report released this month by former Macquarie Group chief executive Nicholas Moore, now a special envoy for South-East Asia, on Australia’s South-East Asia economic strategy to 2040 recommended the government update air services agreements, including exploring “reciprocal open skies agreements with interested South-East Asian partners”.

The Australian government itself says it is trying to “liberalise” agreements and remove restrictions on routes, capacity and airline ownership.

Setting aside the current issue of Qatar Airways, some argue that even if Australia signed more open skies agreements, it wouldn’t necessarily lead to an increase in flights to and from Australia, or cheaper fares. Many airlines that already have agreements with Australia don’t actually use all the capacity they are given.

Tony Webber, chief executive of Sydney-based consultancy Airline Intelligence & Research, says the current “astronomical” prices for airfares globally is more due to an imbalance between demand and supply after the COVID-19 pandemic than a lack of competition in Australia.

Aviation executives point out that getting international airlines to Australia can also be difficult because it is so far away from other countries, and is at the end of aviation routes. “Our ability to negotiate depends on them needing something from Australia,” one aviation executive said.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 11:31 am

I only have three points of contention with the official US Government 9/11 narrative.

1. They should have seen it coming, there was a former high-ranking FBI agent who ironically (?) died as the WTC security director that day. He was concerned about a 9/11-like event.

2. WTC 7 could have been subject to a cell of terrorists on the ground and some of the noise may have been from a firefight with security or police forces. The WTC was attacked in 1993 with a truck bomb. However, the actual explanation was always fine with me. I’m really just speculating on this point.

3. I have never believed Flight 93 was not shot down. The “official” story is one of mutiny, breaking the chain of command and following a suicide mission no one ordered.

As for 2. and 3., Bush may have been advised to not unsettle the public further on intelligence that there were no more active cells on the ground or in the air.

Alamak!
September 13, 2023 11:31 am

Chat GPT (4.0) says:

The theory that Directed Energy Weapons (DEW) were used to bring down the World Trade Center towers on September 11, 2001, is a controversial and fringe conspiracy theory that is not supported by mainstream scientists, engineers, or experts in the field of structural engineering and demolition. However, I can explain the theory for those who are curious.

The DEW hypothesis suggests that the Twin Towers (and Building 7) were not brought down by the impact of the planes or the subsequent fires, but rather by some form of high-energy beam or device that could silently and instantly destroy or vaporize large sections of the buildings.

Here are the main points often cited by proponents of this theory:

Dustification: Some claim that massive steel columns, concrete, and other materials were turned to dust in mid-air, evidenced by the vast amounts of fine dust present after the collapse. They argue that traditional demolitions or pancake collapses wouldn’t produce such fine particulate matter.

Lack of Large Debris: Proponents suggest that if the towers had merely collapsed, there should have been larger chunks of the building left behind. They say the presence of small, pulverized debris and the lack of sizable remnants indicate the use of DEW.

Selective Targeting: They argue that the so-called weapon could selectively target materials, explaining why paper didn’t burn but steel and concrete turned to dust.

Unusual Hotspots: Satellite imagery showed hotspots of extreme temperature at Ground Zero. Some DEW theorists claim that these hotspots, persisting for weeks after the attack, indicate the presence of some unusual energy source, beyond what would be expected from a mere gravitational collapse and subsequent fires.

Videos and Photographs: Some proponents of the DEW theory believe that flashes or beams can be seen in video footage and photographs taken on and shortly after September 11. They suggest these could be evidence of the use of directed energy weapons.

Witness Testimonies: Certain witnesses described the towers “turning to dust” or “vaporizing,” which DEW proponents argue supports their theory.

However, experts have provided counterarguments to each of these points:

Dustification: The violent collapse of the towers would indeed produce a large amount of dust. Concrete floors slamming into one another would pulverize the material into fine dust.

Lack of Large Debris: The intense force of the collapse would break most materials into smaller pieces. Plus, larger pieces of the WTC were indeed found, just not in the immediate debris field.

Selective Targeting: Paper not burning can be explained by it being blown away from the heat source, and its light and airy nature allows it to float on air currents.

Unusual Hotspots: The underground fires, combined with specific materials present at Ground Zero (including those from the planes), could account for the long-lived hotspots.

Videos and Photographs: Many of the supposed “flashes” or “beams” can be explained by reflections, lens artifacts, or other mundane photographic phenomena.

Witness Testimonies: Eyewitness testimonies can be inconsistent and influenced by shock, trauma, and subsequent media reports.

The 9/11 Commission Report, along with numerous experts in the field, conclude that the WTC towers fell due to the combined effects of the plane impacts and the resulting fires. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) conducted a thorough investigation into the collapses and found no evidence supporting the DEW theory or any other controlled demolition hypotheses.

In summary, while the DEW theory has its proponents, it is not accepted by the scientific and engineering communities, and there’s a consensus that the WTC towers were brought down by the plane impacts and subsequent fires.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 13, 2023 11:31 am

“Go watch hours and hours of mind-numbingly stupid shit”

Bingo. Comes to a conclusion without even bothering to evaluate the information.

How the f8ck do you know it’s “mind-numbingly stupid shit”?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 13, 2023 11:32 am

I wonder if the Chinese Defense Minister told his boss that invading Taiwan would be a dumb idea?

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 11:33 am

Melting point of steel anyone?

Less than how hot a kerosene-fueled furnace can get.

PS

Steel doesn’t need to melt to be weakened.

Next on Stew Peters Dot Com: Prepare to be Red Pilled about the MYTH of “Blacksmithing”!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 13, 2023 11:34 am

dover0beach
Sep 13, 2023 11:18 AM

I don’t have a problem with the explanation for WTC 1 and 2, but the explanation for WTC 7 seems iffy. That isn’t to say that there isn’t some other plausible explanation that arises from the circumstances of the collapse of WTC 1 and 2.

But it isn’t weird to see this and go, hmm.

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1701305109836087488

Dover,

have watched many Building Denolition Videos – I agree having watched the above twitter video – it does make me go “Hmmm”

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 11:34 am

How the f8ck do you know it’s “mind-numbingly stupid shit”?

Why can’t you summarise it in 500 words or less?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 13, 2023 11:34 am

In summary, while the DEW theory has its proponents, it is not accepted by the scientific and engineering communities, and there’s a consensus that the WTC towers were brought down by the plane impacts and subsequent fires.

In essence, the BS MSM narrative for the sheep.

Alamak!
September 13, 2023 11:36 am

And I believe Chat GPT over random cookers on the net.

The problem with all the 9/11 conspiracies is that none of them could be concealed for so long if true as the scale and resources required would not be possible to hide.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 11:37 am

Yep, Judy Wood is smarter than every other physicist, chemist and engineer & material science geek out there.

This is what it all comes down to, an inflated sense of self-worth.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 13, 2023 11:37 am

I wonder if the Chinese Defense Minister told his boss that invading Taiwan would be a dumb idea?

A career limiting decision if the timing is wrong. Gotta know your audience when offering those kinds of observations.

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 11:39 am

Sancho Panzer
Sep 13, 2023 11:28 AM

The F-16 story falls at the usual hurdles.
They are going to Hari-Kari into it, presumably to conceal any forensic evidence of missile attack.
But the whole thing is a vast gummint conspiracy, so why not just pop it off and destroy the evidence from the crash scene?
And how are the suicide missionaries alive to tell the tale?

Yet bizarrely, it is part of the mainstream, but not the official narrative.

It’s really the only thing I question. Lt Col (Now Lt Gen and presumably retired) Sasse’s story has a lot of red flags.

Chris
Chris
September 13, 2023 11:41 am

“Go watch hours and hours of mind-numbingly stupid shit”

Bingo.

He knows its mind-numbingly stupid because he read the name at the head of it.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 13, 2023 11:41 am

And I believe Chat GPT over random cookers on the net.

Only trusted cookers around here.

Alamak!
September 13, 2023 11:43 am

the BS MSM narrative for the sheep

Hmmm, I have been to the site and seen the twisted base pillars in place which are consistent with a building “pancaked” under stress explanation.

Does seeing with my own eyes and accepting a given theory by experts make me a “sheep”? Or does following some non-factual theory published on the net make you a kind of sheep?

Dot
Dot
September 13, 2023 11:45 am

We were attacked by a terrorist organization that was WORKING FOR the U.S. government.

The CIA is out of control and has been so since at least the 1950s.

Operation Seaspray is about the time they just started acting like terrorists with a government paycheque.

The CIA funds research and foreign spies as well as mercenaries and insurgents.

There is no way to do this safely, rationally or in a planned manner where it won’t blow up in your face. They literally fund sworn enemies and no one publicly knows what their aims or objectives are.

Patrick Daniel Moynihan was right, it became obsolete after the fall of the USSR.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 13, 2023 11:54 am

The remaining steel columns captured on camera after the initial collapse just turning into dust.

Anyone got a explanation for that?

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 13, 2023 11:55 am

a black swan event planned by Israeli public health authorities.

Pretty sure it was the Bilderbergers, Masons
and the National Baseball Commission.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 13, 2023 12:00 pm

In summary, while the DEW theory has its proponents, it is not accepted by the scientific and engineering communities, and there’s a consensus that the WTC towers were brought down by the plane impacts and subsequent fires.

Communities shmunities.

What they don’t realise is that the plane strikes were decoys intended to conceal the FACT that the WTC attack was actually a demonstration by the Boosh Administration (or possibly Mossad) (or maybe Klause Schwab) of the awesome power of the DEW Superweapon.

Wake up sheeple – these are the exact same scientific and engineering communities who brought you Mandatory Vaccination and the Maui Landsale Fires.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 13, 2023 12:02 pm

Going to be fun to see if the Irish Qwerty suffers fallout from this one. Either he’s escaped like the Scarlet Pimpernel or he’s going to crash and burn quite painfully.

High Court dismisses Qantas’ appeal against pandemic employee termination verdict as national carrier found to have acted illegally (Sky News, 13 Sep)

But the airline lost both its appeals against the rulings last year, following which the hearing was taken to the High Court in Canberra in a last-ditch attempt to avoid paying colossal compensations to the laid off personnel.

On Wednesday, the Hight Court unanimously rejected the appeal and upheld the Federal Court verdicts.

Seven nil eh? Colossal compensations eh? I can think of someone who has just received an eight digit payday who might be able to help with that.

Robert Sewell
September 13, 2023 12:02 pm

Rabz
Sep 12, 2023 7:46 PM

The no campaign are using racisty racist tactics, which remain unexplained

Because no voters are big bigotty bigots.

I wear my big bigotty bigot T shirt with pride, and, I must admit, a fair sprinkling of machismo.
So there, “Yes” voters.

Robert Sewell
September 13, 2023 12:04 pm

miltonf

Sep 12, 2023 7:55 PM
Isn’t ‘mob’ an English word?

Yes – I speak English, but with Australian Characteristics.

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