Open Thread – Thurs 14 Sept 2023


Schubert at the Piano II, Gustav Klimt, 1899

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Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
September 14, 2023 12:16 pm

He’s not the first bag of shit that uses the “Sensitive Information” label to hide private misbehaviour.

And he won’t be the last.

Or that old chestnut –

“It’s in the National Interest”

johanna
johanna
September 14, 2023 12:18 pm

Pasconian Paradise would make a good name for racehorse.

Or a band.

h/t Dave Barry 🙂

Roger
Roger
September 14, 2023 12:18 pm

Most of the communication is via press release, which then passes via the filter of the lunatic MSM

Who aren’t averse to verballing a statement.

Which is why Trump went around them and directly to voters.

Hence the current prog-left obsession with misinformation and disinformation.

P
P
September 14, 2023 12:28 pm

National Press Club Address Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price
Shadow Minister for Indigenous Australians
12:30PM – 1:30PM

Davey Boy
Davey Boy
September 14, 2023 12:29 pm

Cassie and others, re the Vietnamese in Australia, you may recall Tim Blair’s piece:

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/asylum-seekers-the-left-rejected/news-story/aadc230710c470b04837da877d066283

an extract

“The Australian left traditionally rejects immigrants with pro-Western values and embraces those who stand against those values. Keep that in mind when the pro-asylum seeker movement gets loud ahead of the next election.”

Robert Sewell
September 14, 2023 12:31 pm

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1701957622851572080
Indolent
Sep 14, 2023 10:50 AM
Jack Poso
@JackPosobiec

Everyone knows cold medicines work. The FDA is doing this to get rid of Over the Counter drugs and move everything to a prescription model

This is along the lines of removing effective pain relief for age related conditions, so that the oldies who are riddled with arthritis etc, in despair, opt for the governments suicide program.

Alamak!
September 14, 2023 12:37 pm

Most of the communication is via press release

Yeah, which makes Reagan ( and Trump ) masters of the ability to cut through or go around the MSM via words(Reagan + Noonan) or tools(Trump + Twitter)

Dutton needs to stop the mumbling and just say things in brief that reflect common values. he appears to be sincere and consistent, but needs coaching on using zingers

Lysander
Lysander
September 14, 2023 12:39 pm

TheirABC doing their best to make it look like Jacinta has five people in the room…

johanna
johanna
September 14, 2023 12:39 pm

Re the ‘less than $25’ wine list – Australia is awash with good wine, and nobody needs to pay $25, or $20, to buy it. They are just trying to prop up the market.

There is a separate category of premium wine, but to buy a much more than acceptable quaffer you never need to spend more than $15, and often less.

I saw what I recognised as a very nice shiraz for sale at Dan’s for $17, and at Liquorland for $12. I suspect that there is a bloodbath coming up for producers and retailers, to the benefit of consumers, for once. 🙂

Those boutique vineyards purchased by lifestylers are in big trouble.

Roger
Roger
September 14, 2023 12:41 pm

“The Australian left traditionally rejects immigrants with pro-Western values and embraces those who stand against those values.”

The Australian left… perfidy is their stock-in-trade.

Robert Sewell
September 14, 2023 12:42 pm

dover0beach

Sep 14, 2023 11:44 AM
Tim Cook
@tim_cook·
Sep 13
At Apple, we believe that climate change is one of the world’s most urgent priorities and we are deeply committed to doing our part. Today we had a special guest—a real force of nature—stop by to check on our progress.

Peak Cringe?

We are nowhere near Peak Cringe. This is only 25% of the way up the ladder of Peak Cringe Escalation.

Roger
Roger
September 14, 2023 12:45 pm

I saw what I recognised as a very nice shiraz for sale at Dan’s for $17, and at Liquorland for $12.

There are a few decent shirazes to be had around the $12 mark.

I always check the rear of the shelf for “old” stock, too, as I’ve noticed the staff at the big box sellers tend to restock from the front. 😀

Speedbox
September 14, 2023 12:47 pm

Lysander
Sep 14, 2023 11:34 AM
Kinda feels like we’re sleepwalking into a world war…

Since the Cuban Missile Crisis (and probably before) there have been a few, on both sides, who thought the matter of military supremacy between the USA and Russia should be settled ‘once and for all’.

Fortunately, calmer heads have always prevailed. Even now, Washington is resisting sending Ukraine the most destructive weapons with the longest range. The US tell Zelensky, repeatedly, that direct strikes on Moscow are forbidden. Ditto strikes on St Petersburg and other major centres. As we have seen, Russian strikes on Kyiv, Odessa, Lviv and other large population centres are also relatively infrequent. Yes, they happen, but are nothing like Russia’s capability to strike those large population centres and many of the strikes to date are to ports, weapon stores, electrical and similar infrastructure (although some have hit civilian residences etc.). But, to a great extent, the conflict has been largely confined to the battlefield – notwithstanding (mostly evacuated) villages within the battle zone have been destroyed.

Putin has been near-obsessive in trying to maintain a business-as-usual approach for the average Russian because he knows, as we all do, that missiles raining down on Moscow and St Petersburg will cause Russians to demand a very severe response. This is perhaps the only aspect of the Russian psyche that the west seems to understand.

To be clear, I am not a fan of this war. The loss of life, whether military or civilian, has been very sad. We all wish it hadn’t happened but as it has, I remain hopeful that it is confined to a relatively localised battlefield as there is no question that expansion could result in the devastation of all of Ukraine and have huge implications for Europe and potentially beyond.

Crossie
Crossie
September 14, 2023 12:48 pm

The only novelty of Sky News at night is tuning in to people whose opinions are much nearer the electorate’s than the rest of the TV media, which is now wall-to-wall lefty.

True, I’m not thrilled with the hosts but at least they have real conservatives on their discussion panels.

Crossie
Crossie
September 14, 2023 12:53 pm

Ms Le is an Australian with Vietnamese heritage who represents the district of Fowler in New South Wales, a district she believes encapsulates a modern, diverse Australia.

I’m going to nitpick here. We don’t have districts in Australia, we have electorates. The low-knowledge journalists don’t even know they are ignorant but I bet they all have journalism or media degrees.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 14, 2023 12:54 pm

Some sentient action going on here. Mum knows best.

Mama dragged him back home.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 14, 2023 12:59 pm

Dutton needs to stop the mumbling and just say things in brief that reflect common values. he appears to be sincere and consistent, but needs coaching on using zingers

Coached and rehearsed Zingers are a double-edged sword.

Exhibit A: NDIS Minister, W.Shorten – who regularly disembowels himself.

Rabz
September 14, 2023 1:02 pm

Ms Perkins said Perfesser Plankton’s comments from Sunday had been taken out of context

Bwaaah! I haven’t heard that ol’ chestnut since a moozley was dragged out to defend their latest racist sexist homophobic outburst(s).

As for Kenny, like that soy boy imbecile Cameron after the Brexit vote, his position on Sky will be untenable once the screeech goes down like the Hindenburg.

Good bloody riddance.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 14, 2023 1:07 pm

This bloke rivals Ozzy Man. A compliment to both.

steveinman:

Boat Gone

Lysander
Lysander
September 14, 2023 1:11 pm

Could it be that those frothing with rage against the No case are on the gravy train or, worse, corrupt and now they’re going to be found out…?

Roger
Roger
September 14, 2023 1:14 pm

Could it be that those frothing with rage against the No case are on the gravy train or, worse, corrupt and now they’re going to be found out…?

It’s noteworthy that Jacinta and Lidia, streets apart on most issues, are united in their desire for an inquiry into alleged corruption in the land councils.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 14, 2023 1:14 pm

I’m in love with her.

—-

steveinman:

She had enough of the drunken men.

Davey Boy
Davey Boy
September 14, 2023 1:19 pm

Team Yes creating scapegoats?

From the SMH
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/yes-campaigners-told-to-accuse-no-camp-of-vilifying-aboriginal-people-20230913-p5e4ch.html

Yes campaigners told to accuse No camp of vilifying Aboriginal people

Trade union campaigners are being instructed to tell Australians the No side is vilifying Aboriginal people in the Voice to parliament referendum campaign, which has sparked another intense political feud over racism allegations.

The opposition has seized on newly unearthed comments from top Voice proponent Marcia Langton – referring to social workers as “by and large … racist” – a day after she rejected the Coalition and media misleadingly construing her criticisms of the No campaign as an attack on individual voters.

Trades hall secretary Luke Hilakari says Yes volunteers have encountered offensive content and that calling out misinformation is important.

Langton said the views of No leaders Gary Johns, who has said Indigenous people should take blood tests for welfare payments, and David Adler, who accused journalist Stan Grant of artificially darkening his skin, were proof of racism within No’s ranks.

A key strategy of the No campaign – according to Matthew Sheahan, leader of major No outfit Advance – is to portray the Voice as divisive and has used Langton’s comments to further this charge.

Yes campaigners accuse their opponents of sparking the viciousness of the Voice debate. A Victorian Trades Hall Council “key messages” document shows its thousands of volunteers are being told to convince voters that the anti-Voice movement punches down on Indigenous Australians.

“Call out the tactic and who’s behind it: Point to their motivation Creating division (eg by vilifying Aboriginal people); Distracting (eg by insisting on ludicrous detail),” the document states.

The union training sheet tells campaigners to claim the No campaign is driven by a desire to “divide the working class”, “safeguard mining interests” and “sell newspapers with shock”, before recommending a comparison with the same-sex marriage plebiscite.

The union document can be found on the council’s website and was discovered in the same week this masthead reported on No’s instruction of volunteers to instil fear in voters’ minds and not to identify themselves upfront as No campaigners. etc etc

Lysander
Lysander
September 14, 2023 1:21 pm

NO standing ovation from journos at the NPC for Jacinta….

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
September 14, 2023 1:23 pm

National Press Club -This Senator Price is top notch.

A Great Speech and she is very good at answering questions.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 14, 2023 1:27 pm

Linda Burney MP
@LindaBurneyMP
Yesterday was the 55th anniversary of the referendum that counted me in Australia’s population.

The task of reconciliation didn’t end then. It isn’t finished now.

Let’s take the next steps together and vote for a Voice in the constitution.

https://pm.gov.au/media/joint-statement-national-reconciliation-week-2022-be-brave-make-change
6:43 AM · May 28, 2022

Linda Burney wonders why nobody takes her seriously?

Tom
Tom
September 14, 2023 1:27 pm

NO standing ovation from journos at the NPC for Jacinta….

I’m assuming it wasn’t the journos in the room applauding Price, but members of the public invited to the press club function.

Nevertheless, Price more than held her own and wasn’t intimidated by the sneerers in the press corps.

Roger
Roger
September 14, 2023 1:27 pm

NO standing ovation from journos at the NPC for Jacinta….

She’s just hit them with a cluebat…they’ll be feeling a bit disoriented for a while.

Rabz
September 14, 2023 1:31 pm

Yes campaigners told to accuse No camp of vilifying Aboriginal people

Doubling down on the stupid. Magnificent.

Let’s have more of it, you irredeemable imbeciles.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 14, 2023 1:39 pm

Jacinta Price bamboozles the commentariat and the political elite.
Articulate, intelligent, personally attractive, undeniably indigenous, lived experience® – and spouting Referendum heresy.

Nobody in the media class knows how to deal with the package without standing on raaaacist land mines.
Hoist.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 14, 2023 1:39 pm

seeker of truth said…

The Dark Emu website did a pretend interview with Marcia Langton. It’s a bottler and was published late last year,early this year. The author (interviewer) uses Langton’s own words from past and recent times to turn the tables on her as to her purpose for devising a Voice to be enshrined in the Constitution.

It is titled “We Speak to the Thoughts of Professor Marcia Langton AO”

https://www.dark-emu-exposed.org/home/lduw34f2gawwzwf2r3x2atnsj41ijr

Micheal Smith News – an excellent pizztake of La Langton.

P
P
September 14, 2023 1:41 pm

She floored ’em. Onya Jacinta.

Alamak!
September 14, 2023 1:42 pm

Could it be that those frothing with rage against the No case are on the gravy train or, worse, corrupt and now they’re going to be found out…?

After the labor Voice goes down, Dutton should announce intention to a) recognise in constitution AND b) review $$$30BN++ spending e.g. spending XXXM/year with 70% expenses ratio to educate YYY actual students at a cost of XXX/YYY total program and actual delivered service cost c) Stop all program where > 60% is spent in Canbra

johanna
johanna
September 14, 2023 1:43 pm

I’ve spoken to a couple of Aboriginal acquaintances in the last few days.

They see it as a power grab by the usual suspects, who will esconce themselves in well paid ‘jobs’ for a lifetime.

Doubt that it will get over the line.

shatterzzz
September 14, 2023 1:44 pm

Ms Le said she lived in public housing when she first arrived in Australia and at the time, housing was not seen as an “entitlement”,

What a load of rubbish! .. the “houso” estate I live in was predominantly white, English as a 1st language majority in 1980 by 1985 it had become 80% ethnic (mainly Viet, Cambodia, Laos ect) .. folk who were gifted “houso” as part of their off-the-boat package without any financial checking .. by 2000 the NSW HC had, quietly, back-doored “houso inheritance” to ensure that none of these boat-folk or their kids/relative were expected to move on as/if their situation improved ..
I haven’t spoken to a’neighbour” in 25 years cos I haven’t had any that speak English ..
In the street I live in there are NO schoolkids of, actual, tenants they’ve all grown up, the schoolkids here, now, are all grandkids, nieces, nephews and a lot of 3 bedroom houses with 4 to 6 adults plus several children ……
They was a time before boat-folk when HC had tenancy rules about numbers & bedrooms .. when we moved in different sex children weren’t supposed to share bed rooms and housing was allocated by child numbers and sex .. the last two family arrivals in this street have no school age kids .. something unheard of even 10 years ago ………
90% of “houso” occupancy rules have changed to favour of boat-folk not progress ..!

Robert Sewell
September 14, 2023 1:45 pm

Putin has been near-obsessive in trying to maintain a business-as-usual approach for Speedbox:

Putin has been near-obsessive in trying to maintain a business-as-usual approach for the average Russian because he knows, as we all do, that missiles raining down on Moscow and St Petersburg will cause Russians to demand a very severe response. This is perhaps the only aspect of the Russian psyche that the west seems to understand.

To be clear, I am not a fan of this war. The loss of life, whether military or civilian, has been very sad. We all wish it hadn’t happened but as it has, I remain hopeful that it is confined to a relatively localised battlefield as there is no question that expansion could result in the devastation of all of Ukraine and have huge implications for Europe and potentially beyond.

Likewise Speedbox. Putin is, in fact, hostage to the Russian hypersensitivity to “threatened borders.” The absolute tone deafness of NATO to German tanks on Russian borders, no matter whose flag they are under, is inexplicable – unless it is designed to provoke Russian society. And provoke it it will.
NATO is playing with matches and think only the peasants will get burned. They are wrong.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 14, 2023 1:47 pm

Letterboxed today by the Nats, spruiking no, with nice words from a Ms Jacinta Price. Best bit of political paper I’ve received in thirty years living here.

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
September 14, 2023 1:48 pm

In a survey of cat owners, those who fed their cats vegan diets tended to report better health outcomes for their pets than those who provided meat-based diets, though the differences were not statistically significant. Andrew Knight of the University of Winchester, U.K., and colleagues present these findings in the open-access journal PLOS ONE on September 13.

How many of them would report otherwise? Like the parents that have been jailed across the world for starving their infants on vegan diets. The link is one of many cases. None of them would ever admit they were doing the wrong thing until there were actual irreversible consequences.

I’d note the researchers only surveyed the owners, not pets were surveyed or tellingly examined for adverse medical outcomes. It’s not science, it’s the vibe.

Cassie of Sydney
September 14, 2023 1:48 pm

“Langton said the views of No leaders Gary Johns, who has said Indigenous people should take blood tests for welfare payments, and David Adler, who accused journalist Stan Grant of artificially darkening his skin, were proof of racism within No’s ranks.

A key strategy of the No campaign – according to Matthew Sheahan, leader of major No outfit Advance – is to portray the Voice as divisive and has used Langton’s comments to further this charge.”

This bullshit is what Dunny Kenny has latched on to, because he can see the referendum going down the drain As I wrote earlier, any juvenile remarks by those on the NO team, such as Adler’s accurate remarks about Grant, are NOTHING compared to the daily vitriol spewed (Marcia’s word) by YES campaigners, and I heard it myself, only last week, here in Wentworth, on Oxford Street, when an elderly plummy made racist remarks about Dutton and those behind him.

As Rabz said above, good bloody riddance to Kenny, he will have made his bed, and he can lie in it. And yes, whilst I know he’s solid on climate and other things, this Voice, if it gets up, will destroy this country.

Roger
Roger
September 14, 2023 1:49 pm

90% of “houso” occupancy rules have changed to favour of boat-folk not progress ..!

I suspect Ms. Le would agree with you, shaterzzz.

She’s trying to encourage people out of welfare & public housing.

Vicki
Vicki
September 14, 2023 1:51 pm

Jacinta Price bamboozles the commentariat and the political elite.
Articulate, intelligent, personally attractive, undeniably indigenous, lived experience® – and spouting Referendum heresy.

How good was she????? Price succinctly described the problems and defined the deficiencies of the supposed solution of The Voice. But she also expressed the desperate plight of those in the remote communities – particularly the women and children who are disadvantaged, not simply by lack of economic opportunity, but by the continuation of cultural advantage of the senior men.

She also demonstrated her understanding of liberal democratic ideals, putting to shame those of her colleagues who habitually betray those ideals. And how she humiliated the idiot journo who asked whether she thought colonialism had betrayed her people. Not so, she said, and expressed her gratitude for the educational, medical and every day comforts that colonisation had brought.

Her eloquence, humility, bravery, intelligence and foresight were an absolute joy to behold.

johanna
johanna
September 14, 2023 1:51 pm

I should remind newcomers of what I said at Sinc’s about Marcia.

In the 80s, I was shacked up with a barrister who defended her (and got her off) for malicious damage at a bank on the NSW South Coast. It was alleged that she threw a tanty and smashed things up.

Leaving aside my personal opinion about her guilt, she never paid the modest bill.

That’s Marcia for you.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 14, 2023 1:53 pm

I’ll be voting NO.

It’s astonishing the amount of time people continue to react to MSM talking points.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 14, 2023 1:53 pm

and David Adler, who accused journalist Stan Grant of artificially darkening his skin,

Larry Pickering’s old website ran a sequence of images on the progressive tanning of Stan.

Tom
Tom
September 14, 2023 1:54 pm

Update for those interested in Sky after dark. Last night’s Australian pay TV ratings:

1 GOGGLEBOX AUSTRALIA Lifestyle Channel 113,000
2 CREDLIN Sky News Live 58,000
3 LIVE: NRL 360 FOX LEAGUE 56,000
4 PAUL MURRAY LIVE Sky News Live 54,000
5 THE BOLT REPORT Sky News Live 51,000
6 LIVE: AFL 360 FOX FOOTY 43,000
7 SHARRI Sky News Live 39,000
8 AMANDA & ALAN’S ITALIAN JOB Lifestyle Channel 35,000
9 THE LATE DEBATE Sky News Live 31,000
10 CHRIS KENNY TONIGHT Sky News Live 29,000

Ratings-wise, Chris Kenny is disappearing up his own fundament.

Tom
Tom
September 14, 2023 1:55 pm
Cassie of Sydney
September 14, 2023 1:57 pm

I suspect I can’t be the only one who thinks this country is better off with the likes of Dai Le rather than the likes of Marcia Langton.

Oh and Dai Le is, of course, 100% right about public housing not being an “entitlement”, rather it should be a stepping stone. Always interesting though that there are some who do think it’s an entitlement.

Vicki
Vicki
September 14, 2023 1:58 pm

Langton said the views of No leaders Gary Johns, who has said Indigenous people should take blood tests for welfare payments

Despite being ex Labor and a Keating Minister, Gary Johns will not relent from his position that there is undeniable humbug in the Aboriginal industry. And he should be heard, since he has had considerable experience in indigenous affairs. But if there is one thing that is a hanging offence in Labor circles – it is criticism of the Party line.

Spinning Mouse
Spinning Mouse
September 14, 2023 1:58 pm

Staying with Sky…

1. Somebody in production please tell the anchors to stop YELLING

2. And tell Paul Murray that his nightly getitoffmychest-orial is now running to 30 minutes

3. And teach the anchors how to ask a question in less than 500 words

Steve Price did a good job of filling in for Paul Murray.

Shorter editorials.

Asked short snappy questions. Paul does ramble.

Someone pointed out recently that Tucker Carlson was a good interviewer because he lets his guest talk.

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 14, 2023 1:58 pm

Prominent columnist and author Peter FitzSimons has highlighted that if the Indigenous Voice to Parliament fails it will be Australia’s ‘greatest day of shame’.

FitzSimons made the comment while tweeting an opinion column with the same headline from lawyer and investment banker Duncan Murray, arguing that the No campaign has employed ‘a disingenuous dog-whistle’.

Daily Mail

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 14, 2023 1:59 pm

1 GOGGLEBOX AUSTRALIA Lifestyle Channel 113,000

Twice the next highest? Argh, bring on the asteroid, our civilization is done for.

Cassie of Sydney
September 14, 2023 1:59 pm

I find it equally astonishing the amount of time some people continue to react to absurd conspiracy talking points.

Vicki
Vicki
September 14, 2023 2:01 pm

In the 80s, I was shacked up with a barrister who defended her (and got her off) for malicious damage at a bank on the NSW South Coast. It was alleged that she threw a tanty and smashed things up.

Wow! Not surprised, in a way, as she has angry victimhood written right across her unattractive face.

Pogria
Pogria
September 14, 2023 2:04 pm

Bruce of Newcastle,
re the vegan cat comment. Whenever I read about morons torturing their cats with vegan diets, this fabulous clip comes to mind.

Think I also will get more bricks. 😀

Pogria
Pogria
September 14, 2023 2:04 pm
Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 14, 2023 2:04 pm

Truth Telling:

“The truth is for all the moral posturing, virtue signaling about truth telling, there is no genuine appetite in Canberra to tell the truth or to hear the truth.

“This could not be any clearer than in this government’s referendum on the Voice.

“Australians desperately want to do the right thing for their fellow Australians regardless of background.

“Many who have engaged with this proposal, hoping to find a way to help the Indigenous Australians who most need assistance, are left disappointed.

“They are left with the falsehoods, misleading information and promises that can’t be kept and should never have been made.”

Hopefully Uncle Luigi’s political epitaph.
Putrid little shrimp.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
September 14, 2023 2:07 pm

Ratings-wise, Chris Kenny is disappearing up his own fundament.

I can’t watch him anymore, his stance on the voice is boring and will put off most watchers.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 14, 2023 2:08 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Sep 14, 2023 1:59 PM
I find it equally astonishing the amount of time some people continue to react to absurd conspiracy talking points.

What are your thoughts on those steel columns being vaporized live on camera?

Tom
Tom
September 14, 2023 2:12 pm

1 GOGGLEBOX AUSTRALIA Lifestyle Channel 113,000

Twice the next highest? Argh, bring on the asteroid, our civilization is done for.

Look on the bright side, Bruce of Newk. Thirty years ago, the plebs were glued to a myriad of boring soap operas.

Now, just one (Home and Away) survives.

In the 21st century, the plebs would rather watch unscripted inanities like Googlebox — boring real life in place of scripted fantasies enacted by people who lie for a living.

Only a marginal improvement, but an improvement nevertheless.

RuthM
RuthM
September 14, 2023 2:16 pm

Before Covid lockdowns when I decided to grow my hair and thus no longer needed to work on conversation topics for my regular hair appointments, I too watched Gogglebox. At least I then had some idea of what was being talked about in the salon.

John H.
John H.
September 14, 2023 2:18 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Sep 14, 2023 1:59 PM
I find it equally astonishing the amount of time some people continue to react to absurd conspiracy talking points.

I wish I did find that surprising.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
September 14, 2023 2:21 pm

What are your thoughts on those steel columns being vaporized live on camera?

It Was the Nanowrigglers FFS.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 14, 2023 2:23 pm

What are your thoughts on those steel columns being vaporized live on camera?

Ha! Troubling for most.

Scary stuff.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 14, 2023 2:24 pm

What are your thoughts on those steel columns being vaporized live on camera?

2,900ºC
Approaching 8MJ/kg applied in a few seconds.

A Death Ray to end them all.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 14, 2023 2:26 pm

Carpe Jugulum
Sep 14, 2023 2:21 PM

Provide an explanation. Otherwise STFU.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 14, 2023 2:26 pm

Drinks colossus Dan Murphy’s has compiled a “decoded” shopping list of bargain bottles for drinkers who may feel intimidated by the world of wine.

Shouldn’t that be a list of wineries prepared to jump through Colesworths hoops?

Pogria
Pogria
September 14, 2023 2:27 pm

What are your thoughts on those steel columns being vaporized live on camera?

That was dealt with yesterday. Get over yourself. And why ask Cassie? She didn’t contribute to your stupid rants yesterday.

Today is another day with a hundred new topics. Stop scratching your arse, you look like my dog when he has worms.

Robert Sewell
September 14, 2023 2:29 pm

https://youtu.be/FSgqNFgBnJI
Let the squabbles begin…

Two men at the centre of a controversial project on the Northern Beaches have been accused of falsely claiming to be Indigenous.
Neil Evers and Dennis Jones say they are the “traditional bloodline custodians” of the area around Lizard Rock. Nathan Moran from the Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council (MLALC) alleges the pair have not officially confirmed their Aboriginal heritage.

Rabz
September 14, 2023 2:29 pm

kenny’s stance on the voice is boring and will put off most watchers

Been listening to the first five minutes or so of his show most nights of late (before turning him off in disgust) and he’s become increasingly strident and emotional about da screeech, hectoring his rapidly disappearing audience in a ridiculously self-righteous manner. To call it an undignified and unprofessional spectacle is an understatement.

But above all, it’s his blatant dishonesty that is most offensive. He is incapable of uttering anything even remotely truthful about da screeech.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 14, 2023 2:31 pm

Dr Faustus
Sep 14, 2023 2:24 PM
What are your thoughts on those steel columns being vaporized live on camera?

2,900ºC
Approaching 8MJ/kg applied in a few seconds.

A Death Ray to end them all.

Who flicked the switch?

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 14, 2023 2:33 pm

The NPC is just the Walkleys without the piss and punchups. To wit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EPzpxRtFY3Y

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
September 14, 2023 2:36 pm

Provide an explanation. Otherwise STFU.

Go eat a bag of dicks you arsehat.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 14, 2023 2:37 pm

Carpe Jugulum
Sep 14, 2023 2:36 PM

Clueless.

Cassie of Sydney
September 14, 2023 2:41 pm

“But above all, it’s his blatant dishonesty that is most offensive. He is incapable of uttering anything even remotely truthful about da screeech.”

Yep, I remember a few months ago, when I was still watching him, I’m pretty sure he said the Voice had nothing to do with race.

I nearly fell off my chair.

John H.
John H.
September 14, 2023 2:42 pm

Dr Faustus
Sep 14, 2023 2:24 PM
What are your thoughts on those steel columns being vaporized live on camera?

2,900ºC
Approaching 8MJ/kg applied in a few seconds.

A Death Ray to end them all.

I know the Death Ray exists because I have used it in MOO2. You have to kill the Orion monster. Ipso facto whoever used the Death Ray on 9/11 had previously developed interstellar travel and slayed the beast.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 14, 2023 2:43 pm

Cassie

Oh and Dai Le is, of course, 100% right about public housing not being an “entitlement”, rather it should be a stepping stone. Always interesting though that there are some who do think it’s an entitlement.

Many years ago, a Greens member of the ACT Legislative Assembly (ie, a well paid person) had to be publicly shamed out of her social housing.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 14, 2023 2:44 pm

1 GOGGLEBOX AUSTRALIA Lifestyle Channel 113,000

Literally impossible to underestimate people. Doug Mulray must be wondering what he did wrong.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 14, 2023 2:48 pm

ohn H.
Sep 14, 2023 2:42 PM
Dr Faustus
Sep 14, 2023 2:24 PM
What are your thoughts on those steel columns being vaporized live on camera?

2,900ºC
Approaching 8MJ/kg applied in a few seconds.

A Death Ray to end them all.

I know the Death Ray exists because I have used it in MOO2. You have to kill the Orion monster. Ipso facto whoever used the Death Ray on 9/11 had previously developed interstellar travel and slayed the beast.

Spam.

amortiser
amortiser
September 14, 2023 2:49 pm

Nathan Moran from the Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council (MLALC) alleges the pair have not officially confirmed their Aboriginal heritage.

How does one do that officially?

Tom
Tom
September 14, 2023 2:50 pm

Very sad to see one of the greatest AFL footballers, Michael Long, sitting in the public gallery as Elbow’s useful idiot in question time.

Did you learn nothing from the Adam Goodes fiasco, Michael? Don’t get involved in politics unless you plan to run for office or your goodwill from the public will disappear down the plughole.

Speedbox
September 14, 2023 2:51 pm

Robert Sewell
Sep 14, 2023 1:45 PM
Putin is, in fact, hostage to the Russian hypersensitivity to “threatened borders.”

There is already a noticeable ‘rump’ of the population who think the conflict in Ukraine has gone on long enough and, given the support Ukraine receives from the west, notably the USA who most Russians hold ultimately responsible, that Russia should mobilise and ‘finish this thing’. In some cases, not just the Donbass but all the way to the Polish border. Ukraine would cease to exist in some scenarios.

That school of thought is definitely a minority opinion but is not confined to a handful of fringe crazies. Every intelligence analyst worth their salt would be well aware of this and would be advising their leadership accordingly. Direct missile strikes on Moscow and/or St Petersburg will fuel that minority thereby potentially creating a popular movement. Europeans are acutely aware they will bear the brunt of an enraged Russia if things get out of control. Even the dimmest American politician (Biden) seems to understand the risk.

You are correct that Russians are hypersensitive to their border integrity (which is what this whole thing is about) and missiles flying over from Ukraine and landing in Red Square or skimming across the Alexander Pedestal to land in Palace Square will result in …….well, God knows what……but I don’t think we want to find out. But at a minimum, I think we can safely say that Ukraine would be f&cked. Trouble is, will it stop there.

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
September 14, 2023 2:52 pm

Re the Vegan cat sharticle. Once upon a time Science reporters wouldn’t have been seen dead writing about obvious not science dressed up as fact. Instead, now they quietly express concerns about the validity of the research but publish it anyway. There is so much real research that struggles to get published, why pollute the universe with this obvious bollocks?

The study was funded by organisation Proveg International, which aims to replace 50% of animal products globally with plant-based and cultivated foods by 2040.

This should have been enough to know conclusively that the study is a waste of space.

Among the respondents, 1,242 (91%) fed their cats meat-based diets, while 127 (9%) fed them vegan diets.

In their paper, the researchers acknowledge that – being survey-based – their results could be prone to participant bias.

Ya think…

“The study relied on surveys, which are subjective and can be prone to bias,” points out Dr Alex Whittaker, a senior lecturer in animal welfare and law at the University of Adelaide’s School of Animal and Veterinary Sciences, who also was not involved with the research.

“Additionally, the duration of time the cats had been on these diets remains unclear, and it is known that deficiencies do take several months to develop. In an ideal world, scientists would conduct clinical trials involving a large cat population, directly measuring health through veterinary exams and lab tests.

“Nevertheless, this study adds to a growing body of evidence suggesting that vegan diets for cats might not be as harmful as once believed. It challenges conventional wisdom and prompts further research into the matter,” says Whittaker.

No it doesn’t, it adds to the body of politics dressed as science promoting wishful thinking as fact for the gullible.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 14, 2023 2:59 pm

amortiser
Sep 14, 2023 2:49 PM
Nathan Moran from the Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council (MLALC) alleges the pair have not officially confirmed their Aboriginal heritage.

How does one do that officially?

Perhaps a blood test could be required?

Dot
Dot
September 14, 2023 3:02 pm

Quinnipiac Trump 46, Biden 47 Biden +1

LOL, how utterly ridiculous. Biden at 47%.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 14, 2023 3:03 pm

Despite being ex Labor and a Keating Minister, Gary Johns will not relent from his position that there is undeniable humbug in the Aboriginal industry

Gary Johns sums up the situation well. What use does an Aboriginal child, with a mobile phone and access to the Internet, have for such a closed and primitive culture?

Dot
Dot
September 14, 2023 3:04 pm

Steve trickler
Sep 14, 2023 2:31 PM
Dr Faustus
Sep 14, 2023 2:24 PM
What are your thoughts on those steel columns being vaporized live on camera?

2,900ºC
Approaching 8MJ/kg applied in a few seconds.

A Death Ray to end them all.

——————-

Who flicked the switch?

Okay Trickler, please tell us. This will be a great reveal, for sure.

Rabz
September 14, 2023 3:04 pm

Nevertheless, this study adds to a growing body of evidence suggesting that vegan diets for cats might not be as harmful as once believed

I eagerly await the following admission (unfortunately unlikely in my lifetime):

Nevertheless, this study adds to a growing body of evidence suggesting that human emissions of CO2 might not be as harmful as once believed

Science!

P.S. On the subject of vegan cats, did it ever occur to their idiot human owners, that the cats might not solely be chowing down on a vegan diet? That is, Fluffaluffagus might just be hunting birds, rats, lizards, etc, on the sly for some real sustenance?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 14, 2023 3:06 pm
shatterzzz
September 14, 2023 3:09 pm

and David Adler, who accused journalist Stan Grant of artificially darkening his skin,
Larry Pickering’s old website ran a sequence of images on the progressive tanning of Stan.

sTan thru the ages …………
https://ibb.co/vkpjFCd

John H.
John H.
September 14, 2023 3:13 pm

DOT,

So far little on female reproduction and Covid. No apparent loss of fertility. Transmission to the fetus is rare, probably a result of the birth process. Given that Maternal Immune Activation is strongly associated with neurodevelopmental disorders severe Covid infection should increase that risk but it can take quite a few years before the relevant conditions become apparent(eg. ASD and Schizophrenia). There is preliminary data pointing to MIA and neurodevelopmental disorders occurring from maternal Covid infection. Placental abnormalities are certainly present.

This isn’t specific to Covid, many viral infections can induce MIA.

Dot
Dot
September 14, 2023 3:14 pm

Is Stan Grant auditioning for a role in a Peter Sellers biopic? He looks like he walked right out of The Party.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 14, 2023 3:19 pm

BJ, it was Deb Foskey, self entitled scumbag living in Yarralumla, a suburb between the Lodge and Government House. She’s dead at the moment, no lose. Did she kick up a fuss, unbelievable.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 14, 2023 3:19 pm

One RINO Down – Romney Announces He Won’t Run for Reelection to Senate in Utah

Mitt Romney talks about who might replace him — and what comes next

In an interview with the Deseret News, Romney says he won’t run for president and that it’s time for ‘the next generation to step forward’

Pogria
Pogria
September 14, 2023 3:19 pm

Dot
Sep 14, 2023 3:14 PM
Is Stan Grant auditioning for a role in a Peter Sellers biopic? He looks like he walked right out of The Party.

Birdie Num Nums. 😀

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 14, 2023 3:21 pm

News Week – Regardless of Age, Joe Biden Is Still the Right Person To Lead Our Country

Opinion

SINDY MARISOL BENAVIDES , EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, LATINO VICTORY PROJECT

Sindy Marisol Benavides is executive director of Latino Victory Project, and former CEO for League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), the oldest and largest Hispanic civil rights organization in the country.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 14, 2023 3:24 pm

Just for Dot & his USD $206K Lady

The Dating Pool Dropouts

Young men today feel they must be six feet tall, make six figures, and have six inches downstairs to get a girlfriend—so many have given up trying.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 14, 2023 3:27 pm

The World Needs Masculine Men in Their Rightful Place

It’s time to reawaken dormant masculinity.

We men used to be strong, tough, and of few words. Men used to be men. The first consequence of the crisis of masculinity is that I have friends who go to Pilates classes, others who talk to you on the phone for half an hour (without their father having died or anything like that), and I even have one friend who was caught in fraganti in the locker room at the tennis club shaving his chest; obviously, we are no longer on speaking terms.

There is only one thing worse than excess testosterone, and that is the total lack of it. New masculinity is neither new nor — clearly — masculinity unless you think Justin Bieber and John Wayne belong to the same species. I don’t. Some time ago, to regain the testosterone we seem to be losing, Tucker Carlson suggested tanning our testicles. Personally, when push comes to shove, I’d rather pop a few pills than go to the emergency room with first-degree burns on my balls. But yes, something has to be done

If you read the news, women seem to be calling for a new kind of masculinity that is more like… them.

However, it’s all a sham, just a masquerade by a minority whose interests are far removed from gender equality.

Most women still want what they’ve always wanted: for you to be able to defrost the pipes in winter when they want to take a shower, to take them for a ride in the biggest and most polluting car possible, to have thick muscles and good pecs so they can show you off when friends visit, and to be able to kill the bad guy with your teeth and marry her at the end of the movie.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 14, 2023 3:27 pm

With their tanks destroyed, desperate Ukrainians turned to deception

At the start of their counteroffensive in June, commanders improvised after their infantry vehicles were wiped out in a frontal attack.

Aaron Patrick
Senior correspondent

For months the Ukrainian gunners facing the Russian positions in Novodarivka and Rivnopil were on strict orders. Ammunition for their M777 howitzers had to be preserved for the Spring counteroffensive, which would use NATO tanks to punch south through the Russian defences and race to the Sea of Azov.

In the last week of May a directive came through. Begin hitting the Russians with as much as you’ve got. Supplies became plentiful. The Ukrainians’ Western-supplied 155mm guns had longer ranges than the Russian guns, which meant the Ukrainians didn’t have to move locations every few minutes to avoid being killed.

“There was a sense of elation among the crews and the infantry watching the fire,” wrote Jack Watling and Nick Reynolds, analysts from the Royal United Services Institute who described the battle in one of the most detailed accounts of the war last week.

“For months each gun was strictly limited in the number of rounds available. Now there was freedom to fire and when calls for resupply were made, additional rounds were promptly delivered.”

At the start of the war, Russia military strategy dictated that 720 artillery shells were necessary to destroy a platoon, which is about 30 soldiers. A year later, Russia not only didn’t have enough shells to do this, but if it had, the trains and trucks required would have made attractive targets for the Ukrainians.

On the evening of June 3, local Ukrainian army commanders debated whether it was time to send in their Soviet-era T64 tanks and infantry carriers, according to Watling and Reynolds. Some worried rain had made the fields too wet, compounding the danger posed by mines, anti-tank missiles and trenches and bunkers that the Russians had had months to build.

The wet-weather critics were over-ruled. The next morning Soviet-era mine-clearing vehicles were used to blow two six-metre-wide gaps in a minefield on the norther edge of Novodarivka, a small farm village the war had turned into a shattered, depopulated ruin.

Two tanks advanced first, followed by US-built M1224 MaxxPro infantry carriers. The plan was the standard NATO approach to taking what the military call an emplaced position: artillery is used to the force the enemy to hide in their bunkers and trenches; tanks then kill those soldiers who are brave enough to come out and shoot; soldiers on foot follow and swarm through the area, killing or capturing anyone left.

But the tanks had churned up the wet ground, and several of the four-wheeled infantry carriers became bogged. The path through the minefield was too narrow for other vehicles to pass.

Seeing the Ukrainians caught in a traffic jam, two Russian tanks emerged from hiding and began shooting from about 800 metres away. The Ukrainian tanks fired back. The Russians hit some of the vehicles.

The Ukrainian infantry split. Some ran back to their own lines, seeking safety. Some ran forward, and found cover in Novodarivka. This small group looked trapped. There was an open minefield behind them, and Russian soldiers and tanks in front.

The Ukrainians put some Soviet-era SPG-9 recoilless guns – a bit like large bazookas – in a position where they could shoot at the Russian tanks from their side, where their armour is thinner. The two tanks were hit, which reduced the danger to the Ukrainians.

A second group of Ukrainian soldiers in tanks and infantry carriers began a similar, parallel attack on the village. The ground wasn’t as boggy. But after the vehicles began moving through a clearing in the minefield, two more Russian tanks appeared, travelling fast and firing.

Ukrainian commanders were watching through drone feeds. They ordered their artillery to attack the tanks. The Ukrainian vehicles accelerated. The drivers, under great pressure, ran into the minefield. Everyone was disabled. The soldiers got out. Some ran back to safety. Others decided to go for Novodarivka.

In the village, the Russians retreated to positions they had prepared for a defence in the village and an adjacent farm.

A satellite photograph taken June 6 showed at least nine damaged or destroyed vehicles on the battlefield after the Ukrainian attack.

Videos of what is described as the attack have been posted on social media by pro-Russian accounts. They show tanks rolling over mines and being disabled just short of trees that seem to mark the edge of the village. One infantry carrier, after seeing half a dozen vehicles hit, turns right and speeds through the minefield, as if to escape, before it too is blown up.

Russian officers are taught to build minefields 120 metres wide. After the Ukrainians demonstrated they could create safe pathways through the minefields, the Russians decided to expand them to 500 metres.

This length was too long for the Ukrainians to quickly breach. The Russians also decided to double-stack anti-tank mines. This meant that mine-clearing tanks (sometimes equipped with bulldozer blades) were usually disabled the first time they hit a mine, rather than typically the third or fourth.

The changes made the Russian minefields much harder to pass through, but led to fewer minefields. Overall, it complicated planning for Ukraine’s counteroffensive.

A rock and a hard place

At Novodarivka, the Ukrainians were in a difficult position. If they cancelled the attack, they might lose all the soldiers who had reached the village. If they continued, they might lose more soldiers.

The Ukrainian commander decided to double down. About 20 more soldiers were sent through the gaps in the minefield, hiding behind the disabled infantry carriers while the Russians shot at them.

At the western end of Novodarivka (the first attack was at the village’s eastern end) another 20-or-so Ukrainians moved cautiously through a small forest the retreating Russians could no longer see. They reached a road junction and began shooting at Russians, who fought back fiercely. Eventually, when it looked like they might be surrounded, the Russians retreated further east into the village.

Their partial retreat allowed the Ukrainians to occupy a small hill immediately west of the village that Russian observers had used to direct artillery fire onto Ukrainian positions.

The fight for Novodarivka would last another week. Meanwhile, a battle began for a village immediately to the east, Rivnopil.

With many Russia artillery guns destroyed or worn out, its army relied more on anti-tank guns and missiles. Small teams of high-quality soldiers were placed on the flanks, or edges, or Russian positions. Their job was to wait until Ukrainian tanks and other vehicles came close or passed by, and shoot them in the side or rear. They would also direct Russian helicopter attacks.

“Although there are limited personnel capable and willing to fight forward in this way, there appears to be no shortage of Russian ATGWs [anti-tank guided weapons], with Ukrainian troops noting that these teams are well stocked with recently manufactured munitions,” Watling and Reynolds wrote.

The Ukrainians were concerned that Russian anti-tank teams on the outskirts of Rivnopil would move west towards Novodarivka and attack them from the side. They needed to eliminate the threat without losing many vehicles. A new approach was needed.

As usual, the attack began with an artillery barrage. Two tanks then appeared from the north, fired, hid, and then emerged again. The artillery then fired smoke bombs onto the ground in front of the tanks, which moved forward. (Ukrainian commanders are often reluctant to use smoke, experts say, because it obscures their view of the battlefield from aerial drones. It is an example of Soviet-era doctrine, which doesn’t give on-the-ground leaders much autonomy.)

To the Russians, it would have looked like a combined tank-infantry attack. While the tanks drove towards the smoke screen, about 30 Ukrainian soldiers east of the tanks began moving south along a line of trees towards the Russians. They took turns, in pairs, to lie down and shoot.

The Ukrainian artillery opened fire – a sign ever since World War I that a direct assault was imminent. At that point, the Russians appeared to decide that, in military jargon, the initial attack was a feint: the tanks were a distraction from the main attack on their right side, or flank. Russian soldiers quickly moved east towards the trees to fight off the Ukrainian platoon.

In reality, the Ukrainians had launched a feint within a feint. Another group of 30 Ukrainian soldiers had approached the Russian position from the west without being seen. They didn’t find many Russians left – most had moved east to fight off what they thought was the main attack from the tree line.

“Disorientated and fearing encirclement, the Russian troops began to withdraw towards Rivnopil, abandoning their communications equipment, and leaving five troops behind who were taken prisoner,” Watling and Reynolds wrote.

At this stage, another new Russian tactic came into effect. Throughout the counteroffensive, the Russians had pre-recorded the co-ordinates of their own trenches and bases with their artillery units. When they were captured, the Russians could quickly hit the victorious enemy.

Ukrainians had learnt to continue moving forward. The kept moving. Within a few days they had captured Rivnopil.

The battle for the two villages lasted two weeks, which Watling and Reynolds said was the equivalent of one “tactical advance” for three days of fighting. Each advance moved the forces by 700 metres to 1200 metres.

The Novodarivka battle cost Ukraine the equivalent of equipment for two companies, which is about 300 soldiers.

Such losses on an army-wide scale would be unsustainable if Ukraine was going to breach the Surovikin Line, a series of trenches, anti-tank ditches and bunkers built to stop the Ukrainians reaching the Sea of Azov, 120 kilometres away, and split the Russian occupancy forces in half.

Losses in the attack on Rivnopil were light, according to Watling and Reynolds.

The two attacks were a microcosm of the entire Ukrainian offensive. The initial plan to use Western tactics and tanks in direct attacks on Russian trenches failed. The switch to attacks on foot by Ukrainian infantry was slower, but preserved more equipment.

P
P
September 14, 2023 3:27 pm

National Press Club address by Jacinta Price now on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrinfhtFDlc

I am now sending the link off to family and friends.
Long time since I’ve seen television as good as this.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 14, 2023 3:30 pm

Stormbreak: Fighting Through Russian Defences in Ukraine’s 2023 Offensive

Dr Jack Watling and Nick Reynolds
4 September 2023

Long & Interesting Read

Russian defences and military adaptations pose challenges for Ukraine’s 2023 offensive.

Download the Special Report – 28 Page PDF

Irrespective of the progress made during Ukraine’s counteroffensive, subsequent offensives will be necessary to achieve the liberation of Ukrainian territory. It is therefore important to assess the tactics employed and training provided during the Ukrainian offensive to inform force generation over the coming months. This report scrutinises tactical actions to identify challenges that need solving.

The prerequisite condition for any offensive action is fires dominance. This has been achieved through blinding the counterbattery capability of Russian guns and the availability of precise and long-range artillery systems. Ensuring the sustainability of this advantage by properly resourcing ammunition production and spares for a consolidated artillery park is critical.

Ukraine is suffering from heavy rates of equipment loss, but the design of armoured fighting vehicles supplied by its international partners is preventing this from converting into a high number of killed personnel. It is vital that Ukrainian protected mobility fleets can be recovered, repaired and sustained. This also demands a focus on industrial capacity and fleet consolidation.

Attempts at rapid breakthrough have resulted in an unsustainable rate of equipment loss. Deliberately planned tactical actions have seen Ukrainian forces take Russian positions with small numbers of casualties. However, this approach is slow, with approximately 700–1,200 metres of progress every five days, allowing Russian forces to reset. One key limitation on the ability to exploit or maintain momentum is mine reconnaissance in depth. The exploration of technological tools for conducting standoff mine reconnaissance would be of considerable benefit to Ukrainian units.

Another limiting factor in Ukrainian tactical operations is staff capacity at battalion and brigade level. Training of staff would significantly assist Ukrainian forces. This will only be helpful, however, if training is built around the tools and structure that Ukraine employs, rather than teaching NATO methods that are designed for differently configured forces. There is also a critical requirement to refine collective training provided to Ukrainian units outside Ukraine so that Ukrainian units can train in a manner closer to how they fight. This requires regulatory adjustment to allow for the combination of tools that are highly restricted on many European training areas.

Russian forces have continued to adapt their methods. Some of these adaptations are context specific, such as the increased density of minefields, from a doctrinal assumption of 120 metres to a practical aim to make them 500 metres deep. Other adaptations are systemic and will likely have a sustained impact on Russian doctrine and capability development. The foremost of these is the dispersal of electronic warfare systems rather than their concentration on major platforms, a shift to application-based command and control tools that are agnostic of bearer, and a transition to a dependence on more precise fires owing to the recognised inability to achieve the previously doctrinally mandated weight of imprecise fire given the threat to the logistics sustaining Russian guns. It is vital that Ukraine’s partners assist the country’s preparations for winter fighting, and subsequent campaign seasons now, if initiative is to be retained into 2024.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 14, 2023 3:30 pm

Nathan Moran from the Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council (MLALC) alleges the pair have not officially confirmed their Aboriginal heritage.

https://www.2gb.com/they-are-not-aboriginal-explosive-claim-in-controversial-project/

Tom
Tom
September 14, 2023 3:33 pm

Daily Mail:

Australia’s top watchdogs regulating Qantas have been revealed to be members of the embattled airline’s exclusive Executive Chairman’s Lounge.

Five of the seven commissioners of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) are members of the invite-only Chairman’s Lounge, the regulator said in a statement.

This includes ACCC chair Gina Cass-Gottlieb and corporate watchdog Joseph Longo.

RTWT

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 14, 2023 3:35 pm

Indigenous Australians benefit from colonisation, Jacinta Nampijinpa Price tells press club

By geoff chambers
Chief Political Correspondent
@Chambersgc
3:19PM September 14, 2023
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Opposition Indigenous Australians spokeswoman Jacinta Nampijinpa Price says colonial settlement has delivered a “positive impact” for First Nations people and has backed the abolition of stand-alone Indigenous Australians ministers.

In a National Press Club speech that lacked substantive detail on how the Coalition would Close the Gap if the October 14 referendum goes down, Senator Price said she remained cautious of Opposition Leader Peter Dutton’s plan to legislate regional and local voices.

The prominent No campaigner said she was open to a second referendum focused on constitutional recognition if processes – including a Constitutional Convention – were put in place and Australians support another vote.
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On the impact of colonial settlement on Indigenous Australians, Senator Price said colonisation has had a positive effect providing Aboriginal people with “running water and readily available food”.

“Everything that my grandfather had when he was growing up because he first saw white fellas in his early adolescence we now have. Otherwise he would have had to live off the land, provide for his family,” Senator Price said.

“Aboriginal Australians … have the same opportunities as all other Australians in this country. We certainly have one of the greatest systems around the world in terms of the democratic structure in comparison to other countries.

“It is why migrants flock to Australia to call Australia home because the opportunity that exists for all Australians. But if we keep telling Aboriginal people that they are victims, we are effectively removing their agency and giving them the expectation that someone else is responsible for their lives.”

theaustralian.com.au03:18
‘I’ve been racially abused’: Jacinta Price opens up while addressing the National Press Club

Senator Price also claimed that ancestors of convicts brought to Australia in chains could argue they “suffer from intergenerational trauma”.

The Northern Territory Country Liberal Party senator, who wants a royal commission into the sexual abuse of Aboriginal children, said a key priority must be addressing cultural practices in remote communities that drive the highest rates of family and interpersonal violence in Australia.

“The experience that, not because of the effects of colonisation, but because it is expected that young girls are married off to older husbands in arranged marriages. We haven’t had a feminist movement for Aboriginal women because we have been expected to toe the line … for the rights of our race but the rights as women has been second place,” she said.

Asked whether a stand-alone Indigenous Australians minister should exist, Senator Price said “I would hope to see that one day in our country, we wouldn’t require such a portfolio”.

Senator Price said a constitutionally enshrined Voice to Parliament body suggests that the “gap will exist in perpetuity and that is not what we want”.

“If we don’t have that (Indigenous Australians) portfolio it means that everybody is taking advantage of the same opportunities that our country has to offer.”

For now, Senator Price said she would use the “position of power to hold to account those that we are responsible for within this portfolio”.

“There are over 3,000 Aboriginal organisations and many of whom the responsibility of this portfolio go under.”

“If you’re responsible for such a portfolio you should be holding to account those under you that are supposed to be delivering the outcomes because government might hold the purse strings but it is everybody’s responsibility going forward and that is the accountability that I don’t believe has been applied effectively enough previously.”

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
September 14, 2023 3:37 pm

I think the Mocker from The Australian might be voting no.

Brilliant article on the campaign by him at the Oz.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 14, 2023 3:39 pm

P
Sep 14, 2023 3:27 PM

National Press Club address by Jacinta Price now on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrinfhtFDlc

I am now sending the link off to family and friends.
Long time since I’ve seen television as good as this.

Thanks P,

have booked marked and opened in my youtube account for later viewing

But Loved her Opening to the person who introduced her

“Just a Correction Colin is My Husband, NOT My Partner – Just a Note for the Record”

Cassie of Sydney
September 14, 2023 3:41 pm

“Many years ago, a Greens member of the ACT Legislative Assembly (ie, a well paid person) had to be publicly shamed out of her social housing.

A few years ago, here in NSW the Liberal government decided to sell off public housing, that public housing located in premium suburbs such as The Rocks (the Sirius building in particular), certain buildings in North Sydney and across Sydney’s eastern suburbs. The idea behind it was and remains that the money used from selling off this prime real estate would be used to build new public housing. Ahh, but you should have heard the screams, the shouts, and the wails from the usual suspects on the left about how unfair the mean, nasty Liberal government’s actions were, but there was something worse, some public housing in the Rocks had been used by successive generations from the same families. So, how is that fair? It isn’t. It’s a rort.

I’m all for public housing for those in need, with the idea that this helps people get on their feet. It’s necessary, but ideally it should not be forever or, even worse, become inter-generational. Dai Le is right when she said today on Sky….”Social housing back then was a stepping stone, it’s not an entitlement,”.

My God, Dai Le is a politician who actually believes in ‘not making people leaners but lifters’.

Trivia question, what Australian politician once wrote those words?

calli
calli
September 14, 2023 3:42 pm

Sad day here…the Beloved’s dear old aunt slipped away quietly early this afternoon. The last of her generation.

Thanks for the excellent, entertaining commentary…kept my mind on other things. I’ll have to catch up with Jacinta’s NPC talk, thanks for posting the link.

P
P
September 14, 2023 3:43 pm

“Just a Correction Colin is My Husband, NOT My Partner – Just a Note for the Record”

Loved it OldOzzie. She showed right from the beginning that she would stand up to them.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 14, 2023 3:43 pm

Tom
Sep 14, 2023 3:33 PM

Daily Mail:

Australia’s top watchdogs regulating Qantas have been revealed to be members of the embattled airline’s exclusive Executive Chairman’s Lounge.

Five of the seven commissioners of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) are members of the invite-only Chairman’s Lounge, the regulator said in a statement.

This includes ACCC chair Gina Cass-Gottlieb and corporate watchdog Joseph Longo.

RTWT

Tom,

we have reached the Point where Qantas should close down the Chairman’s Club – or if they don’t

No Federal Public Servant or Federal Quango Employee, and No Judges High Court, Federal, State, and No Politicians of any Party should be allowed to join the Qnaras Chairman’s Club

calli
calli
September 14, 2023 3:44 pm

Senator Price also claimed that ancestors of convicts brought to Australia in chains could argue they “suffer from intergenerational trauma”.

Well I could, but I won’t. Because it’s bull.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 14, 2023 3:46 pm

Watched Jacinta on Credlin last night. My wife, who has little interest in politics said “wow, she is impressive”.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 14, 2023 3:48 pm

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Cassie of Sydney
Sep 14, 2023 3:41 PM

“Many years ago, a Greens member of the ACT Legislative Assembly (ie, a well paid person) had to be publicly shamed out of her social housing.

I’m all for public housing for those in need, with the idea that this helps people get on their feet. It’s necessary, but ideally it should not be forever or, even worse, become inter-generational. Dai Le is right when she said today on Sky….”Social housing back then was a stepping stone, it’s not an entitlement,”.

My God, Dai Le is a politician who actually believes in ‘not making people leaners but lifters’.

Trivia question, what Australian politician once wrote those words?

Today I’d like to concentrate on Joe Hockey. – Are you a leaner or a lifter?

During his time as treasurer he offered some sage philosophical wisdom that is pertinent to Benign to Five.

He told us that there are two types of people in the world: “leaners” and “lifters”. He never gave in-depth definitions, making it hard to know which category anyone fell into, so today, I’m going to help.

Here’s my guide to working out whether you’re a leaner or a lifter.

At work, do you: Constantly, and within earshot of managers, talk about how hard you work and mention that you’re a lifter? You’re a lifter.

Find the performance, development and rewards program (or whatever it’s called in your case) perplexing and a waste of time? You’re a leaner.

Clap yourself often and yell things like “I’m going to shout a self-affirmation in the mirror now. Who wants to join me?” Lifter. Big time.

Decline the invitation of those who ask you to shout affirmations in the mirror? Leaner.

Lift poor performing colleagues above your head so as to help them see what the world looks like from your position of moral superiority? You’re a lifter. Obviously.

Lean against high performing colleagues, sometimes using your close proximity to them to steal money from their wallets? You’re literally and figuratively a leaner.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 14, 2023 3:51 pm

Senator Price said a constitutionally enshrined Voice to Parliament body suggests that the “gap will exist in perpetuity and that is not what we want”.

Low expectations keeps the First Nations industry in the game.

I’m sure it’s not, seen it on the Cat, but this is the first time I’ve heard this argument given a public airing by a player.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 14, 2023 3:54 pm

Tom at 3:33

Daily Mail:
Five of the seven commissioners of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) are members of the invite-only Chairman’s Lounge, the regulator said in a statement.

The Chairman’s Lounge is Big Business herpes. You never know who has it.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 14, 2023 3:55 pm

SMH Green Idiots at Work – If you don’t back burn Humans will fry in Summer Bush Fires & since you are so concerned about Koala’sa and looging in State Forests – so will they along with a lot of other indigenous animals

Sydney’s air quality plummets as hazard reduction haze lingers

Air quality monitoring site IQAir ranked Sydney as the third-most polluted city in the world due to the remnant smoke.

Sydney’s air quality was among the worst in the world on Thursday morning as smoke lingered from a number of hazard reduction burns to reduce dangerous fuel loads in bushland around the city.

No new hazard reduction fires were lit on Thursday, but firefighters torched hundreds of hectares to the north, south and west of Sydney earlier this week while relatively cool and still conditions provided a crucial window for planned burns.

At 8am Thursday, the air quality was ranked very poor in Sydney’s east, poor in the south-west, and fair across the north-west of the city and the Illawarra.

Air quality monitors run by NSW Planning and Environment recorded 111.9 micrograms per cubic metre of PM2.5, fine particulate matter, at Alexandria, the highest level in the city and more than four times the level regarded as “good” air quality.

Between 9 and 10am, smoke had moved into Sydney’s south-west and Bargo recorded PM10 at 244.22 micrograms per cubic metre (PM10 are particles with a diameter of 10 micrograms or less, and include PM2.5).

calli
calli
September 14, 2023 3:58 pm

Five of the seven commissioners of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) are members of the invite-only Chairman’s Lounge

Soft corruption.

calli
calli
September 14, 2023 4:01 pm

No new hazard reduction fires were lit on Thursday, but firefighters torched hundreds of hectares to the north, south and west of Sydney earlier this week

“Torched” – don’t you love the emotive language?

Meanwhile, smoke from our first Out of Control bushfire for the season swathes our backyard right now.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 14, 2023 4:02 pm

SITREP 9/13/23: Tradewinds of Change

SIMPLICIUS THE THINKER
13 SEPT 2023

What’s in a name?

We start today with an interesting angle to ongoing global developments. The G20 assembly in India was a ‘quiet’ watershed moment that will go down as another mile-marker on the now inexorable march toward the collapse of Western hegemony.

India for the first time has reverted to using its ancient name of Bharat, with Modi sitting behind a placard with the new name at the summit:

This is a powerful decolonization move that marks an ascendent Eastern and ‘global south’ world which is finally awakening en masse to repudiate the bonds from the West, both physical, psychological, and spiritual, which have shackled them for so long.

In 2014, famed yogi Sadhguru perfectly explained the significance of India needing to adopt its true name over the one forced onto it by colonists:

“When someone conquers you, the first thing they will do is change your name. This is the technology of dominance, the technology of enslavement.”

He states that Bharat is a mantra of power:

There are some detractors, though, who believe the new posture change is a dangerous shift in the Hindu nationalist movement, and may spark repressions against ethnic minorities.

But this encompasses a wider movement of the liberation of people around the globe, finally witnessing the downfall of the West, and no longer afraid to embrace their own historical realities, taking control of their agency and destiny.

This of course comes not long after Turkey similarly shed its Westernized veneer and declared itself as Türkiye, officially changing the name of the country.

All of this falls under the shadow of the historic decolonization sweeping through Africa, where Francophone countries in particular are standing up against their erstwhile occupiers once and for all. These shifts mark a major turning point in the global consciousness. The West has never looked more frail, more “out of ideas” for the future leadership of the world. It has never looked more “on the wrong side of history” than today, with its utterly inhuman and ubiquitous economic terrorism, where 1/4 to 1/3 of the world’s countries are currently under sanction by the U.S., not to mention its even more inhuman social engineering, pushing vast unnatural changes on humanity’s social fabric in the most coercive ways possible.

These tectonic shifts have not been lost on some of the world’s most incisive thinkers. Alexander Dugin was amongst the first to notice the seachange. In a new post, he describes the new emergent world ‘eschatology’. I’m no hardcore Duginist, per se, so I can only assume he’s using the term not in a theological but rather Heideggerian way (he was a follower of Heidegger, after all)—which is to say, eschatology as a sort of human manifest destiny, or true being. In short, he’s saying that countries around the world are throwing off their previous imposed facades and false mantles, and are going back to their roots by re-embracing their historical essence.

Dugin links it to the final refutation of Francis Fukuyama’s fallacy—that the “end of history” had come with the fall of the Soviet Union, and that “liberalism” would be the final eschatological fabric to enshroud humanity for all time. But the new global shift represents an awakening of the world’s oldest cultures, having finally realized that the pseudo-religious cult of Western ‘liberalism’ is in fact a dead end.

Lastly, to return from the lofty and abstract back to the concrete developments on the ground,

we note that the other major ground-shaking demarche occurred when the West, and the U.S. in particular, got a big slap in the face rebuke when the entire G20 refused to declare the Ukrainian conflict as an “aggression” by Russia, wording it as a “war in Ukraine” rather than a “war against/on Ukraine [by Russia]”, a sharp departure from the Bali summit in November of last year, where most countries condemned Russia’s “aggression”.

Desperate to bolster its fading influence, particularly in Africa, the West invited the African Union to the G20 as a permanent member in its entirety, all 55 members of it.

But the luster simply wasn’t there,

as G20 leaders even refused to take a group photo with each other for the first time, some sources claiming it was due to the “presence of the Russian delegation.”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 14, 2023 4:07 pm

Weapons news

2. Another big piece of news came with the revelation that Russia has used the Kinzhal missile fired from an Su-34 platform for the first time:

The reason this is bigger news than it sounds is because not only does this open a huge amount of new platforms that can use the missile, but more importantly it allows Russia to ‘mask’ the use of the missile far more effectively.

You see, one of the chief issues of the Kinzhal’s use thus far is that, operating primarily from the Mig-31 platform, it allowed the U.S. to track potential strikes much more effectively, giving Ukraine advance warning which goes against the entire ethos of what the Kinzhal is supposed to represent: namely, lightning fast decapitation attacks that take away your ability to anticipate or defend against it.

But since Russia has a limited number of Mig-31s which likewise operate from a smaller number of designated airfields, it’s much easier to anticipate an impending Kinzhal attack when you see one of the Mig-31s taking off, which the U.S. can do by watching just the airfields they operate from, whether by some sort of satellite or forward observers on the ground (easy to have an agent renting an “apartment” nearby who can literally watch them take off from his window and immediately report on it). Just read this Rybar report from about a month or so ago:

It’s resulted in a known situation where the mere take-off of a Mig-31 sends the entire country of Ukraine into lockdown, as they expect a Kinzhal strike on some sort of decision-making center (as that’s the only type of target a Kinzhal would normally be used for).

But now, if Su-34s can carry the missile, there’s no real way to track that because they operate out of a much wider array of fields, flying far more sorties in general. That means a Kinzhal attack can happen at any time, completely unexpectedly, which puts all of Ukraine’s most sensitive targets on notice.

3. Speaking of planes and airfields. A curious update on the ‘tire’ saga. Many have laughed after Russia apparently began to place tires on the grounded fuselages of strategic craft like the Tu-95. This culminated in a new photo showing Su-34s have fallen victim to the tire campaign as well:

The photo spawned a frisson of jeering laughter and ridicule around the net:

But it quickly subsided after it was revealed that the tires are not just a desperate ‘cope’ ploy against drone-dropped grenades, but rather they interfere with the synthetic aperture radar (SAR) satellites which scan Russia’s airfields on an hourly basis:

It seems Russia has once again used the cheap “wooden pencil” to foil the West’s billion-dollar efforts.

shatterzzz
September 14, 2023 4:11 pm

Pull the other one its got gucci on ………!

Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney has reiterated that the Voice to Parliament is advisory and will not deliver programs or have any veto power.

“The principles of the Voice are agreed to, and they outline clearly the way in which the Voice will have gender parity,” Ms Burney said during Question Time on Thursday.

“The most important thing about this Voice is that – as the Prime Minister has said – it is an advisory body to the parliament.”

Kneel
Kneel
September 14, 2023 4:13 pm

“I suspect the key phrase is the one I’ve highlighted. Vegans report that vegan cats love being vegan. Pull the other one, nutty vegans, and stop torturing your poor cats.”

Key phrase really is “… not statistically significant”.

Our cat (a “standard” short haired cat of some 4.5kg) gets (and loves) 125g of kangaroo mince at night (actually human grade mince from Colesworths), plus either biscuits or pouch/can for breakfast (she tends to wake me up early in the morning with a wet nose to the face if I sleep in a bit). She will also get the “juice” from the bottom of a pre-cooked Coles chook bag when we get one, which she will gulp down as fast as possible after it cools and solidifies. And the odd bit of fat from lamb leg chops or rump steaks.
Then too, she also likes olives, jalapeno chilies, grilled cheese, sour cream and yogurt (especially mango yogurt).
But not milk or fresh cream – won’t touch it.
Vet is exceedingly happy with her – stable weight, good fur, good teeth etc etc.
She has been very happy since we rescued her from death row at the pound, and she is shamelessly spoilt – and knows it.

Lysander
Lysander
September 14, 2023 4:15 pm

Jacinta also said she’d like to see an Australian future where an Indigenous portfolio is no longer needed, but the Voice is forever (in response to crazy Guardian journo who tried to trip her up on “representations”.

SOLID!!!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 14, 2023 4:17 pm

Well I could, but I won’t. Because it’s bull.

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2022/06/the-invention-of-indigenous-intergenerational-trauma/

Lysander
Lysander
September 14, 2023 4:18 pm

And I think Dutton and the No camp win the day on process-matters alone. You don’t even need to talk about the Voice. All Dutton and Littleproud have to do is keep hammering the fact that all referendums have conventions which bring people together. Albo wanted division. It’s that simple.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 14, 2023 4:19 pm

Yesterday was the 55th anniversary of the referendum that counted me in Australia’s population.

Apart from being included in the rather abstruse census calcs. I promise you, Marcia, no one receives a prize for being counted in the census. Being treated as an Australian is not something bestowed by the census.

I do think they like to confuse people by saying counted (in the census) and hinting that they mean counted as citizens (or humans) in broader civic terms.

There seems to be a lot of effort expended on creating the myth that prior to the 1967 referendum Aborigines were deliberately marginalised.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 14, 2023 4:23 pm

I do think they like to confuse people by saying counted (in the census) and hinting that they mean counted as citizens (or humans) in broader civic terms.

It’s to reinforce the old myth that Aborigines were “Flora and Fauna” – not even human beings, let alone worthy of being counted in the census.

Dot
Dot
September 14, 2023 4:24 pm

Who pulled the trigger, Trickler.

Don’t leave us hanging.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 14, 2023 4:24 pm

Soft corruption.

It’s the Australian way.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 14, 2023 4:26 pm

Zelensky aide backtracks on insults to India and China

Mikhail Podoliak had accused the two countries of having “low intellectual potential”

The top adviser to Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky, Mikhail Podoliak, blamed “Russian propaganda” on Wednesday for reaction to his remarks about China and India having “low intellectual potential” and allegedly not understanding the world properly.

“Classic Russian propaganda: take it out of context, distort the meaning, scale it up to separate target audiences with conflict provocation,” Podoliak said on X, formerly Twitter.

He did not, however, deny saying what he said in a widely shared interview with a Ukrainian outlet on Tuesday.

“The problem with these countries is that they do not analyze the consequences of their own moves. These countries, unfortunately, have low intellectual potential,”

Podoliak had said, adding that just because India has a lunar exploration program, that “does not mean that this nation understands what the modern world precisely is.”

His remarks drew criticism from many Indians on X, while the Chinese Foreign Ministry demanded a clarification.

On Wednesday, attempting to explain what he actually meant, Podoliak argued that “Türkiye, India, China and other regional powers are increasingly and clearly justified in claiming global roles in the modern world.”

However, he said, “the global world is much broader than even the most thoughtful regional national interests. The global world is based on stability and predictability, on rationality and strategy, on international law and clear rules of the game,” which he insisted Russia is trying to undermine.

“One way or another, it is irrational to ignore this due to situational and regional economic interests, as it has long-term consequences. The sooner Russia loses, the more chances the world has to return to stability and the rules of the game. The task of the great powers is to accelerate this moment,” he added.

Emerging as Zelensky’s most influential adviser after the resignation of Aleksey Arestovich in January, Podoliak has a long record of lashing out at countries, organizations and public figures seen as insufficiently supportive of Ukraine’s cause.

Podoliak’s most recent target was SpaceX head Elon Musk, who in his telling “enabled evil” by denying Ukraine the use of Starlink satellites – which Musk has provided Kiev free of charge – to attack Crimea with drones.

He has also denounced Pope Francis as an “instrument of Russian propaganda” after the head of the Roman Catholic Church had kind words for Russia’s historical legacy.

Lysander
Lysander
September 14, 2023 4:26 pm

So, Price has just given one of the greatest speeches in Australian history on the plight of many indigenous and what to do about it. It beats Keating’s Redfern speech. Easily.

And not the Age, SMH nor WAToday are reporting on it at all. Each of Nein’s publications’ top political stories are “vilification by No case” FFS…

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 14, 2023 4:28 pm

Walking through an Alice Springs street about an hour ago.

Not far from the centre of town, a burnt out car rests next to The Todd River bed.

I am furious.

Is there nowhere, nowhere at all that Direct Energy Weapons haven’t wreaked their unholy vengeance?

Dot
Dot
September 14, 2023 4:37 pm

“I am hearing more and more of this from coin dealers, gold and silver bullion dealers, jewelry stores, jewelry dealers, anybody in that type of business,”

Bank accounts of people who offer alternatives to CBDC being closed for no reason…….

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/banks-canceling-coin-dealers-without-explanation-highlighting-concerns-about-digital-dollar/?utm_source=most_recent&utm_campaign=usa

Lysander
Lysander
September 14, 2023 4:38 pm

Lol! Who is the NPC secretary? He asks Price if she “accepts there’s been generations of intergenerational trauma?” Price’s response is gold:

“Well I guess that would mean those of us whose ancestors who were dispossessed of their own country and brought here in chains as convicts were also suffering of intergenerational trauma, so I should be doubly suffering from it.”

calli
calli
September 14, 2023 4:40 pm

NPC by name, NPC by intellect.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 14, 2023 4:44 pm

“The principles of the Voice are agreed to, and they outline clearly the way in which the Voice will have gender parity,” Ms Burney said during Question Time on Thursday.

The Constitutional amendment and the Referendum question are silent on “gender parity”. I wonder where the clearly agreed principles are located.

And who they are clearly agreed with.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 14, 2023 4:48 pm

Soft corruption.

And quite cunning.
People who know better can justify the lavish gift with ‘It’s not about the status and free grog, it’s important to my function, nay, indispensable, that I am able to come into contact with government, community, and business leaders”.

An elite Honey Trap.

Rabz
September 14, 2023 4:51 pm

No Federal Public Servant or Federal Quango Employee, and No Judges High Court, Federal, State, and No Politicians of any Party should be allowed to join the Qaintarse Chairman’s Lounge

The squawking would be audible in space.

Lysander
Lysander
September 14, 2023 4:51 pm

Who is the anonymous downticker???

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 14, 2023 4:52 pm

Daily Mail

Voice referendum: Aboriginal traditional owner stands up in front of Australia’s National Press Club and declares she opposes the Voice before man yells at her and tells her to sit down

Indigenous woman shouted at and told to sit down
Interrupted build up to Jacinta Nampijinpa Price’s speech
READ MORE: Senator Price opens up about her concerns on the Voice

Lysander
Lysander
September 14, 2023 4:56 pm

Oh FFS… Karvelas is now saying “forget the racist comments, Aborigines have been subject to racism for hundreds of years.”

Talk about equivocation.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 14, 2023 4:59 pm

And not the Age, SMH nor WAToday are reporting on it at all.

The “Age” and the “Sydney Moaning Hemorrhoid are reporting Prices comments that Aborigines have benefited from colonialism – you can hear the whining in the “comments” about massacres, dispossession, etc, etc, from Outer Space.

Tom
Tom
September 14, 2023 5:05 pm

Australia’s top watchdogs regulating Qantas have been revealed to be members of the embattled airline’s exclusive Executive Chairman’s Lounge.

As Calli and HBB Bear note above, the difference between corruption in Australia and the Third World is that, in Australia, it’s legal.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
September 14, 2023 5:05 pm

Lysander
Sep 14, 2023 4:51 PM
Who is the anonymous downticker???

Technical Point – They are down thumbs.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 14, 2023 5:06 pm

dW
22 minutes ago
yep…….Stolen Generations. Massacres. Enslavement. Alcoholism. TB. Incarceration. STDs. No representation. No treaty, No Voice…..

AIn’t colonialism grand…?

Seriously………TONE. DEAF.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 14, 2023 5:08 pm

Wokeman
19 minutes ago
Now I’ve heard it all.

Tell that to your thousands of ancestors killed in the Frontier Wars, Ms Price.

Wouldn’t be surprised if some are turning over in their last resting place.

Vicki
Vicki
September 14, 2023 5:10 pm

Jacinta Price was today challenged by some ABC hack in respect to her views on how the Aboriginal people were affected by the colonial occupation of their country. She responded brilliantly by referring to all the wonderful advantages that Europeans brought with them.

As husband and I sat out in our spring garden at the farm this afternoon I reflected on the common “greenie” criticism of the introduction of European, as opposed to native gardens. Well, let me tell you, the early settlers responded to the blistering heat of Australian summers by creating cool, inviting gardens. Lawns, peppercorn and similar shade trees, and hardy but green gardens of Indian hawthorn hedges and such, created oases in our beautiful, but blistering environment. Bloody greenies know little about actually surviving full-time in the Australian bush. They hike in wild country & think they know all about it.

calli
calli
September 14, 2023 5:12 pm

Wouldn’t be surprised if some are turning over in their last resting place.

Fantasyland?

Lee
Lee
September 14, 2023 5:16 pm

Who is the anonymous downticker???

Monty?

Whoever he or she is is obviously very pro-Voice, anti-Jacinta Price.

Tom
Tom
September 14, 2023 5:20 pm

Bloody greenies know little about actually surviving full-time in the Australian bush.

Vicki, I heartily agree. Ninety-nine per cent of Australian greenies and Green voters are wealthy property millionaires living within 10 kms of the GPO for whom “the bush” exists only in their imagination.

Lee
Lee
September 14, 2023 5:28 pm

Wokeman
19 minutes ago
Now I’ve heard it all.

Tell that to your thousands of ancestors killed in the Frontier Wars, Ms Price.

Wouldn’t be surprised if some are turning over in their last resting place.

So?

More than 60 million were killed through no fault of their own in WWI and WWII alone.

Should all their descendants receive compensation or special treatment?

I demand compensation for the Saxon, Viking, and Norman invasions of England!

Muddy
Muddy
September 14, 2023 5:30 pm

#ifelitesr4it.fktht.

Tom
Tom
September 14, 2023 5:31 pm

Whoever [the anonymous downticker] is is obviously very pro-Voice, anti-Jacinta Price.

Just as in the privacy of the ballot box, really. You just don’t know who your political opponents are when our democratic system — and the blogosphere — allow them the privacy to be honest. Thank God. Long live freedom!

calli
calli
September 14, 2023 5:33 pm

Good on you, Tom! You be on the receiving end of a malice filled psycho.

Enjoy.

calli
calli
September 14, 2023 5:33 pm

Oh. Seems you are.

Welcome to our exclusive club.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 14, 2023 5:34 pm

‘thousands of your ancestors killed in the Frontier Wars’

What? Absolute dunderheaderey.

Ms Price could equally claim victim status for the actual thousands killed in the Wars of Scottish Independence, and every invasion of Scotland consequent of the Auld Alliance with France for several hundred years thereafter.

And Trainspotting.

But she’s not. Because she’s not a professional victim.

calli
calli
September 14, 2023 5:38 pm

Consider it the Newcatallaxy Chairman’s Lounge.

😀

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
September 14, 2023 5:41 pm

Thank you to whoever posted the link to Jacinta Price at the Press Club.

My take, she was a bit nervous during her speech but gained in confidence as time progressed.

During the 30 odd minute Q&A she had settled and was a lot more comfortable. Who ever assisted her in preparing for this needs a big thumbs up as this was not the most friendly audience to speak to.

calli
calli
September 14, 2023 5:49 pm

Welcome to our exclusive club.

No. Not quite.

They’ve had second thoughts with that zero.

*bell rings*

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 14, 2023 5:50 pm

The Real Rick Grimes
40 minutes ago
“colonisation has been good for Indigenous Australians”.

Well of course it has been. They were living a brutal stone-age subsistance. The writings of the early anthropologists are horrific. In every possible metric they are immeasurably better off, including:
1. Life expectancy
2. Infant mortality
3. Food and water
4. Shelter
5. Community safety and rule of law
6. Modern medicine
7. Literacy and numeracy
8. Education

Prior to colonisation they had none of the above. Life expectancy was 28, infant mortality 30%. Not to mention the infant betrothal, polygamy and sorcery, etc, etc, etc.

amortiser
amortiser
September 14, 2023 6:00 pm

Price was quite brilliant in that speech and more so in response to the questions.

In dealing with the questions she refused to accept the premise upon which most were based – that Aboriginals are all victims.

That is how you defang the ghouls. She finished it off perfectly by invoking her own colonial heritage and if the inter generational trauma premise was true she would be doubly traumatised.

Every NPC speech I have seen has been with a luncheon. Why not in this case?

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 14, 2023 6:01 pm

Who is the anonymous downticker???

I have my suspicions.

Muddy
Muddy
September 14, 2023 6:01 pm

When will it be sensationally revealed that pre-contact indig. Australians had one common word throughout the whole of the continent for the ‘nation’?

Of course, the common indig. had no knowledge of this sacred, powerful word, because it was confided only to rare individuals in each region, all of whom gathered (like a druidic conference; my choice of words) in a secret place, once every handful of years (timing & location dependent upon seasonal variations & political fluctuations) to discus religious, social, and cultural policy.

Surely now would be the time to reveal this to the world?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 14, 2023 6:08 pm

From the Hun.

Former Brighton Secondary College students win marathon legal battle

A group of boys have won a landmark case after suing their former principal, two teachers and the Victorian government for failing to protect them from anti-Semitic bullying, including bashings and swastika graffiti.

Chris
Chris
September 14, 2023 6:08 pm

Who is the anonymous downticker???

I have my suspicions.

It was meeeeee. Just that one, though.

Speedbox
September 14, 2023 6:10 pm

OldOzzie
Sep 14, 2023 3:39 PM
National Press Club address by Jacinta Price now on youtube

Thanks for posting that. Watched it all. An impressive woman with a solid future.

Peter Greagg
Peter Greagg
September 14, 2023 6:14 pm

Someone asked for the Mocker’s latest.

You’re the Voice … but good luck trying to understand it
The undecided lot wants details on voice to parliament. Can’t they be satisfied with a song, some social media likes and being on ‘the right side of history’?

By THE MOCKER

The undecided camp in the upcoming Indigenous voice to parliament referendum are a fickle lot. They insist the Albanese government provide them with details of the scope, composition, and structure of this proposed constitutional body. What better way to allay their concerns than by wheeling out entertainer John Farnham to sing ‘You’re the Voice’?

But inexplicably, this has not satisfied their requests for information. Meanwhile opposition to the proposal continues to rise. This week a poll revealed support for the Voice had fallen to 43 per cent. Compare this to the figure of 64 per cent in favour this month last year. How has it come to this?

Presumably it must be that decent and right-minded Australians are in the minority. As Tim Wheatley, son of Farnham’s late manager Glenn Wheatley, told the ABC last week: “Win or lose this referendum, this song will forever remain on the right side of history”.

It is a serene and self-satisfying rationale. You need not worry yourself about the practicalities and consequences of constitutional change. Rather, it is about being on the side of the angels. Take a selfie when you register your yes vote and post it on social media. Bask in the number of likes you receive while loudly lamenting that not all your fellow citizens share your dedication to righting historical wrongs.

According to the Yes campaign, the need for change is so self-evident it needs no in-depth explanation. Citing the management of Indigenous affairs in the legislative and executive sphere, they quote Einstein’s apocryphal dictum of insanity being a case of doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.

They do have a point. For example, Indigenous Australians feature disproportionately in many negative groupings, whether it is low life expectancy, serious health conditions, unemployment, failure to complete school, poverty, and the criminal justice system. For decades, and particularly so in recent years, the root causes are attributed to the evils of white settlement. To suggest otherwise is to invite shrill accusations of racism.

So what is the answer? Well, the insistence that to be Indigenous is to be hopelessly disadvantaged will no longer be a mere narrative. Instead the Albanese government wants to enshrine this presumption in perpetuity in the constitution. Different results, here we come!

As to how the Voice would improve dialogue between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians, I can think of no better example than Professor Marcia Langton, the matriarch of the Referendum Working Group. Many a time this elegant and erudite spokeswoman has suffered the effrontery of No campaigners questioning her vision.

Yet without exception in the face of this gross impertinence her response has been one of informed rebuttal and kindness, whether it is by claiming her opponents are motivated by “racism” and “sheer stupidity” and act with “cynicism and redneck opportunism”. No-one in this campaign has done as much as the good professor in helping the undecided how to vote.

Still, it has been a tedious and draining experience for our elites in answering the naysayers. Claiming the Voice would if anything “reduce the divisiveness in our constitutional structure,” former NSW chief justice James Spigelman KC was indignant at the suggestion the proposed change could fuel judicial activism.

“As a former judge, I find it offensive that some participants in this debate cast doubts on the integrity of our judiciary when predicting what might happen if this [constitutional] addition is made,” he wrote in the Sydney Morning Herald this week. That is one of the many terrible consequences of not trusting absolutely our unelected officials with interpreting ambiguous and poorly worded constitutional additions, you see. It offends very important people.

We should also acknowledge the determined efforts of Prime Minister Anthony Albanese. Admittedly he was not quite across his brief in pushing for constitutional change, having read only the first page of the lengthy Uluru Statement. But in fairness, that was a pretty good effort from Albo, given his attention span and ability to absorb detail.

And it was perplexing that voters by and large have not been persuaded by Albanese’s statesmanlike speeches. Who could not be moved by incessant repetition of platitudes such as “It’s a generous offer”, “It’s our chance to walk together”, “It’s simply good manners”, and “It’s a modest request”? Perhaps the Prime Minister could make another appearance with the new Qantas fleet in the background sporting those Yes23 logos. This week would be a timely opportunity to reiterate that this good corporate citizen is also on the right side of history.

The world is watching us with expectation, or so Albanese would have you believe. In February, he piously asked how Australia, would be “perceived internationally” by our “economic partners” if the Voice did not get up. It requires a special chutzpah for a leader espousing unity to subject Australians to a highly divisive race referendum while resorting to emotional blackmail for political expediency. He is right though: our international reputation is at stake if this campaign fails. It could result in a critical BBC news article or worse still an angry letter from a UN human rights committee.

Incidentally, is there any chance of Albanese making good on his promise for former NBA star Shaquille O’Neal to make, in the Prime Minister’s words, some “vids” to promote the Voice? His celebrity endorsement would fittingly symbolise this government’s record of attempting to connect with everyday Australians and explain a complex issue.

As for you, the voter, do not let yourself be deceived by scare campaigns. We are on the cusp of historic change. The Voice will deliver reconciliation. It will result in harmony, peace, and progress. It is not the harbinger of treaties, reparations, or so-called truth-telling. And it is fiction to say this is the first step towards a New Zealand-style co-governance model.

The Voice is the culmination of what Indigenous activists have long wanted. When it is realised, they will no longer issue further demands for special considerations and privileges. To paraphrase John Farnham, this will be the last time.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 14, 2023 6:22 pm

Who is the anonymous downticker???

Sounds like a great ‘hook’ for advertising.

Catallaxy Files; “Who is the anonymous downticker?”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 14, 2023 6:30 pm

Crazily good day at the Cafe.

Morning managed to hand feed for the first time one noisy miner chick (of the current batch of three), and two magpies. The magpies are in a territory half a km to the west, upon the route I walk mornings, and I’ve been softening them up for a couple of years now. Today was the day! Both the male and the female strove to overcome terror and accept Coles mince from lil ole me! Which they both fairly amazingly did. It helps that they have chicks in their nest and are therefore more prepared to take a risk to get the good stuff for them.

Then at lunchtime my oldest kooka friend, who is 15, arrived, and sat on my tree stump. There’s been a political rearrangement in kookaland recently, and in the last couple weeks she’s been arriving at the Cafe for the for the first time in 6 years.

Finally at dusk her grandson arrived, with his new mate. Somehow or other I’d made friends with her in the past, I can’t remember when, but she sat on my hand and ate lots of Cole mince. As did her paramour. It was cool.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 14, 2023 6:31 pm

Poor old Farnsey. On his deathbed and people are making fun of him. This wouldn’t happen to Bert Newton.

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
September 14, 2023 6:31 pm

Five of the seven commissioners of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) are members of the invite-only Chairman’s Lounge

Soft corruption.

What it is, is total hypocrisy. The exec there won’t let the plebs allow anyone to buy them a f*cking coffee lest there be accusations of impropriety. All the while visiting the Chairman’s lounge. Well they know the PM won’t be investigating, will he?

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 14, 2023 6:36 pm

Five of the seven commissioners of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) are members of the invite-only Chairman’s Lounge, the regulator said in a statement

Did the statement provide names so the mushrooms could make a mental note next time they appear as part of Club Canberra? Flybuys really needs a Chairman’s Lounge.

JC
JC
September 14, 2023 6:37 pm

I was o/s when the state election was held last year. I’ve received a letter informing me of the fine for not voting, which is $92.00 plus also a penalty for not responding to a prior notice. I called the arseholes and informed them of my plight. They want a copy of the ticket to verify my circumstances. I have to prove it to them. I sent them a copy of my credit card, which showed overseas purchases. If that’s not enough, I’ll go to freaking court. F…’em. This place is unreal.

Speedbox
September 14, 2023 6:38 pm

Dr Faustus
Sep 14, 2023 4:44 PM
“The principles of the Voice are agreed to, and they outline clearly the way in which the Voice will have gender parity,” Ms Burney said during Question Time on Thursday.
The Constitutional amendment and the Referendum question are silent on “gender parity”. I wonder where the clearly agreed principles are located. And who they are clearly agreed with.

Burney is correct. She is probably quoting from the Indigenous Voice to Parliament Final Report which was provided to the Australian government in July 2021. The Report is, effectively, the ‘procedures’ as to how the Voice will operate. The Report followed the Uluru Statement from the Heart.

The Report says “The National Voice would consist of 24 members with gender balance structurally guaranteed“.

It is the Report that actually tells us where many of the dangers will lie. Or sometimes, the Report is vague on a particular issue with a ‘leave it to us’ stance. But there is no doubt – if the Report is anything to go by – once the Voice dragon is released, there will be no stopping it.

Robert Sewell
September 14, 2023 6:39 pm

Tom:

Australia’s top watchdogs regulating Qantas have been revealed to be members of the embattled airline’s exclusive Executive Chairman’s Lounge.

Five of the seven commissioners of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) are members of the invite-only Chairman’s Lounge, the regulator said in a statement.

This includes ACCC chair Gina Cass-Gottlieb and corporate watchdog Joseph Longo.

It seems to be a common tactic – the regulated industry takes over the bureaucrats regulating it.
We need a list of all the people who are doing this, and if they are pubic serpents, then sack them for undisclosed conflicts of interest. And if the CoI is disclosed then sack the people who should have stopped it.

calli
calli
September 14, 2023 6:40 pm

Buccaneer, it’s an ethical blind spot.

An ethical person would refuse/recuse themselves knowing they were receiving a benefit from the very entity they were investigating.

Another instance of the need to clear the deck and re-employ. Except that the empty house might be repopulated with even worse (Matt 12).

Be careful what you wish for.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 14, 2023 6:41 pm

The rank and file at these places are often more attuned than senior management. We used to do some property and insurance stuff for a WA government corporatised entity. You could even buy them a sandwich over lunch.

JC
JC
September 14, 2023 6:42 pm

Flybuys really needs a Chairman’s Lounge.

This is a silly question, as I’m always asked at service stations. Are flybys points that you can accrue to use, say, for upgrades on partner airlines or something else? I’ve never known what they are for 20 years.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 14, 2023 6:44 pm

It seems to be a common tactic – the regulated industry takes over the bureaucrats regulating it.

Exactly what happened in the various casino cases. Hard to believe it wasn’t deliberate policy.

Robert Sewell
September 14, 2023 6:45 pm

calli

Sep 14, 2023 3:58 PM
Five of the seven commissioners of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) are members of the invite-only Chairman’s Lounge

Soft corruption.

Not so soft for those who are paying for the bulk of this party – i.e. the passengers in economy class.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 14, 2023 6:45 pm

What is encouraging … violence in our community?’
Rhiannon Down
Rhiannon Down

Prominent No campaigner Jacinta Nampijinpa Price says some aspects of traditional Indigenous culture have perpetrated harm to women including forced marriages.

Senator Price, speaking at The Australian’s first Great Voice Debate on Thursday night, said her own mother had been intended for a forced marriage and that her aunt had disappeared after she was forced to marry a convicted murderer.

“So there are so many circumstances like that where issues have been swept under the rug,” she told Claire Harvey, The Australian’s editorial director and the host of the paper’s daily news podcast The Front.

“And for me I can’t sit back and continue to allow for the most marginalised to suffer in those circumstances because people want to romanticise what they think culture is all about.

“We have to acknowledge what is encouraging the levels of violence in our communities, especially weather experienced the brightest in this country. In order to fix our problems.”

JC
JC
September 14, 2023 6:46 pm

It seems to be a common tactic – the regulated industry takes over the bureaucrats regulating it.

How has that helped Q with the recent court case loss and the accusations being used to mount a case to fine the company?

Robert Sewell
September 14, 2023 6:47 pm

calli

Sep 14, 2023 4:01 PM
No new hazard reduction fires were lit on Thursday, but firefighters torched hundreds of hectares to the north, south and west of Sydney earlier this week

“Torched” – don’t you love the emotive language?

Meanwhile, smoke from our first Out of Control bushfire for the season swathes our backyard right now.

Did you get any from my incinerator? I burnt a stack of wood and cardboard boxes today.
…and a dead rat I found that had found my Ratsack stash.

JC
JC
September 14, 2023 6:49 pm

It’s not hard to guess Lysander. 🙂

calli
calli
September 14, 2023 6:49 pm

JC, it may be that we are witnessing a symbiotic relationship that’s starting to fall apart.

Someone mentioned earlier today that Q’s relationship with the government was never going to trump the government’s relationship with the unions.

JC
JC
September 14, 2023 6:53 pm

Wifey was just watching the news and listened to an interview with Jacinta Price.
Price was asked (of course)if she thought aboriginals suffer inter-generational trauma as a result of the “invasion”. Apparently, she replied that if that was the case descendants of convicts would also be suffering trauma.

What a great reply.

bons
bons
September 14, 2023 6:54 pm

I was pleasantly surprised to receive a ‘thank you’ from Jacinta’s campaign for my feeble contribution. But, of course you would expect that courtesy from that special woman.

Of the many organisations to which I dole out a pittance, Bettina is the only one that I recall sending an acknowledgement.

I no longer contribute to Michael Smith because after sending two notes requesting acknowledgement of my contribution I received – silence.

No acknowledgement – no munnie!

JC
JC
September 14, 2023 6:56 pm

Someone mentioned earlier today that Q’s relationship with the government was never going to trump the government’s relationship with the unions.

Yeah, I read that. It was Janet A’s column.

I like her strategy for the Libs. Inform big business that the only reforms they would make as a result of the Liar’s diabolical labor market legislation would be for small to medium business. Right on.

Muddy
Muddy
September 14, 2023 7:00 pm

Thanks to all for the feedback from Jacinta Price’s speech at the NPC.

What I’m sure everyone wants to know, however, is – How does it compare to the Knitted Roo’s ‘Mesojiknee’ bestest Ozzy speech evah?

Didn’t Gillard win a record 28 Logies for that speech, or sumfink?

Indolent
Indolent
September 14, 2023 7:01 pm
Tom
Tom
September 14, 2023 7:01 pm

How has that helped Q with the recent court case loss and the accusations being used to mount a case to fine the company?

JC, the point is that the recent court cases were the result of the corrupt system Qantas put in place.

Alan Joyce thought he was untouchable. He wasn’t.

He had no guiding competitive philosophy. His philosophy was whatever he could get away with in the corrupt Australian political system where politicians and bureaucrats were for sale to the highest bidder.

JC
JC
September 14, 2023 7:10 pm

Tom

I think it’s really unfair to place the blame on big business. People are ciphers, and they react to the code they see. Whatever people think of Joyce, his job was to maximize operating margin, and that applies to every single business, large or small. If the government or the state offers inducements for businesses to react to their carrot as a way to increase profitability, they will usually do so within the letter of the law.

Always blame the state for polluting the markets.

Away from that, the non-listed sector of business is fully focused on their objectives, which is to maximize returns and not mess around with bullshit like the voice etc. That side is doing okay.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 14, 2023 7:11 pm

3 minutes ago
Kumanjayi Walker ‘needed more support’
Rhiannon Down
Rhiannon Down

No campaigner Jacinta Nampijinpa Price says her family should have done more to support her nephew Kumanjayi Walker, who was killed in a bungled outback arrest in Yuendumu near Alice Springs.

Senator Price told The Australian’s Claire Harvey at the Great Voice Debate that she backed the paper’s reporting which provoked criticism for being racist.

“As far as I’m concerned, The Australian just published the facts and knowing you know the circumstances within Yuendumu circumstances surrounding the death of my nephew,” she said.

“The fact that one of my nieces, who we want to talk about in my documentary, was sexually abused in the same household as him by her own father, this is a reality.

“You only reported on the tip of the iceberg, as to what goes on in places like Yuendumu and those who don’t like to hear it are part of the problem.

“In terms of my nephew’s case, more should have been done prior to him ending up in the circumstances that he ended up in our family,” she said.

“My family should have been far more responsible in his life when he was alive, as well as his cousin who was a victim of rape in the same household that he lived in.

“These are the issues that we need to confront if we’re going to fix the problems on the ground. And that’s just the reality of it.”

Robert Sewell
September 14, 2023 7:13 pm

Calli:
Sep 14, 2023 6:40 PM

Buccaneer, it’s an ethical blind spot.

No, Calli. It’s not an ethical blind spot. Nearly everyone here so far realises it’s corruption. Perhaps it’s a rules blind spot, but only because everyone thought they were putting men and women of probity into these positions and assumed they wouldn’t accept such a gratuity.

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