Open Thread – Thurs 14 Sept 2023


Schubert at the Piano II, Gustav Klimt, 1899

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Roger
Roger
September 15, 2023 8:17 am

I still think he will be a no-show, his handlers will not risk it.

Well, we’ll see.

It’s scheduled for Monday morning, US time.

shatterzzz
September 15, 2023 8:17 am

Thanx Tom,
that David Pope Quaint-Arse shot is brilliant ..!

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 15, 2023 8:18 am

Gabor

Short of a nuclear reactor, I can’t think of anything, and so far I never heard of any such thing orbiting earth.
There were very small scale nuke power sources employed in the past but those satellites were destined to travel far outside the solar system.

I might misremember?

The Soviets used nuclear power sources in a series of radar reconnaissance satellites. Infamously, Cosmos 954 crashed in Canada, requiring a major clean-up in the Arctic north. Another in the series missed eastern Australia by about 20 minutes, crashing into the South AStlantic.

Crossie
Crossie
September 15, 2023 8:20 am

On Monday, One Nation leader Pauline Hanson sparked heated debate in the Senate after calling for a cut-off period and an investigation into the effectiveness of the current system, suggesting most Australians would be surprised that nearly two-thirds of the country fall under either pending or determined native title claims.

I think people are beginning to realise that native title claims could soon be made against their little suburban patch of land for which they worked hard and, in most cases, are still making exorbitant mortgage payments. I don’t see many YES votes in that group.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 8:20 am

“The core business of any church is to spread the truth of the Bible and worship God.”

The church has been working on side hustles for hundreds of years.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 8:25 am

The Green Left Radio (now Half) Hour formerly known as AM discovers transmission lines may undo the green dream in today’s program. Even before they get built and the regulated WACC gets built into your power bill day in day out before you even touch a switch.

mem
mem
September 15, 2023 8:26 am

If you had to pick one machine that triggered the biggest explosion of wealth in our history, which would you pick?

the singer sewing machine.

132andBush
132andBush
September 15, 2023 8:27 am

Fair to say that Maldon, the historic gold era town in central Vic, is well and truly behind the “Goat Cheese Curtain”.
Was there yesterday with a visiting English cousin and her husband showing them a bit of Central Vic/Goldfields history (such as it is).
Lots of “Yes” signage to be seen, along with those Yartzy types of retiree up and down the cafe and bakery precinct, seemingly all in a competition as to who could strike the most believable pose, so important to these people, of “superior aloofness while wearing a pretentious hat”.
I’m sure they’ll be the first in line offering to pay rent if “yes” gets up.

Best custard tart I’ve ever had from the bakery though, if you’re traveling through it’s worth the stop for that alone.

Dot
Dot
September 15, 2023 8:28 am

I think people are beginning to realise that native title claims could soon be made against their little suburban patch of land

No.

Claims could be made and they will never be successful without a huge and coordinated changes to State and Federal legislation.

State level protections against compulsory acquisition are weak but the presence of a different Crown and King-in-Council in each jurisdiction makes native title claims on valuable land extremely unlikely, as well as the prohibition on governments taxing each other.

What is more likely, are dumb ideas like “land rent” and a repeat of the WA Indig. heritage legislation.

Outside of unicameral Queensland and the spoken for territories, it would be very difficult to make a reality unless very popular.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 15, 2023 8:29 am

I must admit to a certain susceptibility to derisive chortling at the overbrimming portentousness of our elites that they think the rest of the world watches everything that happens in Australia judging us by how thoroughly we follow an progressive agenda.

It is like children with a clumsy crayon drawing Mum and Dad standing next to house the same size as them, and a few flowers as tall, a gigantic sun indicating a catastrophically deteriorating orbit and with menacing rays of DNA shredding radiation leaping out from the circumference, and a few double arcs each in the form of a stylised ‘m’, hovering above like the idea of birds denuded of bird form. The kid will spend all of 30 minutes on something like this, producing a drawing that resembles nothing seen by any human eye, much less one across the street from their house.

The kid parades about convinced by the exaggerated sounds of astonishment and praise from the adults that it really is a masterpiece, and unaware that the near identical drawings are produced in every house, in every suburb, and by every generation.

Our elites are oblivious to the reality that progressives all over the world are obsessed with their own unrealistic scrawlings. And each one thinks they have created something precious and unique.

Of course the kid grows up. Progressives, well…

Peter Greagg
Peter Greagg
September 15, 2023 8:29 am

From the Oz today, Pat Dodson.
I am sorry he has cancer, I don’t wish that sort of thing on anyone.

But “father of reconciliation”, really?
This bloke had an Irish father, and I have never heard him say anything remotely suggesting that aboriginies have agency and they should stop behaving so badly towards each other. Also “whitey” educated him and he was to become a priest, until he decided the aboriginal way had more in it for him.

Pat Dodson, the father of reconciliation, has conceded the No case in the referendum debate has been “effective” and that a lack of detail has made promoting the voice more difficult, as Yes23 prepares to launch a more aggressive campaign to claim victory.

The Western Australia Labor senator, who is seriously ill and has so far been unable to campaign for Yes23, said the October 14 referendum to constitutionally enshrine a voice to parliament and executive government was “a contest of Australia’s integrity and honesty, and its future”.

In an interview with The Australian, the Broome-based senator said the voice’s relevance is “what will determine its effectiveness”, and rejected claims that Indigenous Australians were already over-represented in federal parliament.
“I think there is a fairly effective No campaign being run. I don’t believe that’s necessarily a campaign that’s … in our best interest but it’s their campaign,” Senator Dodson said.

“I think that it’s difficult, as everyone knows, to promote the Yes campaign in terms of the detail, what the proposition is, what the provision is, why this is important, how it’s going to benefit us.

“There are some questions that are about detail, which are really not the substance of what we’re talking about. The referendum is about a principle. We put principles in our Constitution, and then we leave it to the legislators to use those principles when they come to make laws.”
Following a bruising fortnight of parliamentary sittings in Canberra, Senator Dodson’s intervention just over four weeks out from the referendum comes on the eve of a major pivot in Yes23’s messaging and strategy.
Speaking in question time on Thursday amid Coalition and No campaign outrage over “racism” comments made by Indigenous academic Marcia Langton, Anthony Albanese called for a respectful debate.

“I want the Yes campaign to be positive. The Yes campaign is about embracing a message of reconciliation and unity and, yes, love. Fear is a powerful emotion. But it’s not one that advances a country. What advances a country is bringing people together and a positive message,” said the Prime Minister, who had earlier joined Michael Long at the completion of the former AFL star’s walk from Melbourne to Canberra in support of the Yes campaign.

Ahead of the launch of Yes23 television ads on Saturday, campaign director Dean Parkin acknowledged speed-bumps in the conversation “have not been helpful” and that winning the referendum vote will be a “difficult task”.

As tens of thousands of pro-voice supporters attend mass walks in more than 40 capital cities and regional towns over the weekend, Yes23 is preparing to amplify warnings about the consequences of a No vote.

Amid No campaign warnings that the voice body will intervene across every facet of government, Senator Dodson said “if it wants to deal with an irrelevancy, then it will be dealt with as irrelevant”.
The 75-year-old, appointed by Mr Albanese as Special Envoy for Reconciliation and Implementation of the Uluru Statement from the Heart, said the voice would be elected by Indigenous Australians “for the purpose of Aboriginal representation to the parliament and the executive”.

“(It) exclusively concentrates on the matters that affect Aboriginal people.

“And that will go from health, housing, education, employment … to legacy issues that we know we still have to deal with and the perennial issues that we haven’t got on top of like deaths in custody, incarceration rates, kids being taken away and domestic violence,” he said.

“We’re going to have to deal with some of those broader legacy issues that are going to the question of disadvantage and dispossession, and displacement of Aboriginal people, as well as the contemporary issues now, they’re matters for the future.”
Senator Dodson said future Indigenous leaders elected to a national voice should not be prejudged as “being inept and unastute as to the nature of the responsibilities and the obligations … they’re going to have to carry in their advocacy to the parliament on matters that affect them”.

“There’s a maturity within the Aboriginal leadership that I think people underestimate and condemn and foreclose upon without really understanding that there’s been huge changes, understandings and development.

“So it won’t be the same ol’, same ol’ experience that people thought they had with ATSIC or something like that. I think there’s a quality of leaders (who have a) sense of their accountability and responsibility.”

Senator Dodson, a former Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation chair and Aboriginal Deaths in Custody commissioner, said Australia’s future identity would be measured in terms of whether the nation votes yes or no.

Born as a “non-citizen” before the 1967 referendum, Senator Dodson said he grew up in an era dominated by governments and “learned white folks who believed that they knew best”.

Ahead of opposition Indigenous Australians spokeswoman Jacinta Price telling the National Press Club on Thursday that Indigenous MPs and senators were “over-represented” in the parliament, Senator Dodson said he was elected to represent an entire state.

“You’re trying to represent the interests of the state and that encompasses everyone in the state, the farmers, the miners, the Aboriginal people, the small-business operator. As an Aboriginal person, member of the Labor Party and a senator, I’m a politician that is a member of the Labor Party.

“I’m not there exclusively for Aboriginal people. In fact, there are many things internally, when the topic of Aboriginal people or issues that affect Aboriginal people arise, I don’t necessarily see that as me having to be the definitive answer on those matters. I might join the debate, I may not join the debate, depending on which portfolio it is.”

Writing in The Australian, Mr Parkin said Yes23 would ramp up efforts to win over soft voters by countering “misunderstanding and misinformation”.

Mr Parkin – who rejects claims that the voice is a “project of the elites” – said while “some Indigenous people disagree” with the proposal, he believed a majority would vote yes.

“I have no doubt politicians and bureaucrats want to find solutions, regardless of their position on the referendum. But I am similarly of the resolute conviction that without a Yes vote, there will be no successful means to finding those solutions without ongoing advice from the real experts – the people in communities,” Mr Parkin wrote.
“That conviction stems from the decades of failed policy underpinned by stop-start policymaking, not so much characterised by course adjustments as it is by ripping up the map every few years.

“Our campaign has just over four weeks left to run. This is the period when we believe Australians will really focus on both the provision and the choice.”

Pointing to repeated failures in Closing the Gap – illustrated in a recent Productivity Commission update – Mr Parkin said “we have to ask what a No vote will mean for the nation”.

With Yes23 signing up almost 40,000 volunteers to doorknock, hit the phones and attend booths on referendum day, Mr Parkin said Yes23 had “never been under any illusions that winning this referendum would be anything other than a difficult task”.

“Australians are justifiably hesitant about changing the foundation document that has been the platform for such a successful nation.

“The debate has rightly been robust. The conversation more broadly has occasionally taken detours, which evidently have not been helpful to a Yes campaign that is working to explain a constitutional change to 18 million Australians,” he wrote.

“In talking to people about this, it’s very common to meet voters who currently plan to write no on their ballot paper. Exploring their reasons, it has been my consistent experience that more often than not, their view is based on a misunderstanding, or sometimes simple misinformation.”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 15, 2023 8:29 am

Having watched Jacinta Price National Press Club appearance last night – 1 Hr 6 Mins (with neurotic female Beagle for Company)

Besides the Superb Opening to the person who introduced her

“Just a Correction Colin is My Husband, NOT My Partner – Just a Note for the Record”

Her take down answers of the Moderator Question and the Idiot Gaurdian Journalist attempt at “Gotcha” were excellent and on point

Jacinta Price for Prime Minister of Australia – leaves current OverseasAlbo and Dutton trailing way behind

A Breath of Truth & Fresh AIr!

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 8:31 am

Country Victoriastan is a land of contrasts. Anyone who has been to Daylesford or Moe could attest.

132andBush
132andBush
September 15, 2023 8:31 am

If you had to pick one machine that triggered the biggest explosion of wealth in our history, which would you pick?

Earthquake forecasting algorithms.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 8:33 am

The NPC is truly enemy territory. Hats off to anyone entering there.

132andBush
132andBush
September 15, 2023 8:33 am

Country Victoriastan is a land of contrasts. Anyone who has been to Daylesford or Moe could attest.

Heading to Echuca today.
It’ll be “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly”

shatterzzz
September 15, 2023 8:35 am

If you haven’t read this one .. scroll back and enjoy this VOICE break-down …!

Beertruk
Sep 15, 2023 7:46 AM
Annnnd The Mocker over at yesterday’s Paywallion:

You’re the Voice … but good luck trying to understand it

Roger
Roger
September 15, 2023 8:36 am

I must admit to a certain susceptibility to derisive chortling at the overbrimming portentousness of our elites that they think the rest of the world watches everything that happens in Australia judging us by how thoroughly we follow an progressive agenda.

Remember when the prog-left ridiculed the alleged ‘cultural cringe’ of a bygone Australia?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 15, 2023 8:36 am

286 supercomputer from the 80’s!

Cassie of Sydney
September 15, 2023 8:37 am

“Claims could be made and they will never be successful without a huge and coordinated changes to State and Federal legislation.”

Which will happen if the Voice gets up. As I’ve said, the Voice is a radical coup. It will begin the process of changes to state and federal legislation.

WA heritage laws………………..?

Tom
Tom
September 15, 2023 8:38 am

Best custard tart I’ve ever had from the bakery though, if you’re traveling through it’s worth the stop for that alone.

Australia’s country bakery revolution in the past 30 years is one of the country’s best-kept secrets.

Most city people have no experience of it because they’ve never driven more than 50 kms from the GPO.

Cassie of Sydney
September 15, 2023 8:38 am

If you had to pick one machine that triggered the biggest explosion of wealth in our history, which would you pick?”

The printing press. It helped trigger widespread literacy.

Dot
Dot
September 15, 2023 8:39 am

Another thing protecting freehold and even leasehold land is the revenue raising ability of these properties.

Put NT or a caveat on it and rates, land tax, CGT all are cruelled and the state’s main objective (continuing its own existence) is threatened. More so than now, given that an explicit death tax is being kite flown by Dim Chalmers.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 8:39 am

Born as a “non-citizen” before the 1967 referendum, Senator Dodson said he grew up in an era dominated by governments and “learned white folks who believed that they knew best”.

Well might you put quotation marks around non citizen in relation to pre-1967 aboriginals. Might need to get a fact checker to have a look at that one. Anybody seen Mr Virginia Vitrioli lately?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 15, 2023 8:39 am

You see, Wayne Swan apparently knows better than Jacinta Price, coz….coz…..coz….he “grew up” with indigenous, never mind the fact that Jacinta Price is indigenous.

You have no idea what a Hell Hole of violence and disadvantage Nambour is. Most people imagine the place is a dozy Sunshine Coast hinterland town trying to be a tourist destination, but Swann’s lived experience© tells us that the place is Wadeye on stilts – burning cars, clan violence, drunks rolling around outside the cafes and wood fire pizza restaurants, desperate women, and children roaming the streets at midnight.

Believe Wayne Swann. Alternative facts matter…

Crossie
Crossie
September 15, 2023 8:39 am

Claims could be made and they will never be successful without a huge and coordinated changes to State and Federal legislation.

What is more likely, are dumb ideas like “land rent” and a repeat of the WA Indig. heritage legislation.

How is that different? It still says you don’t own this land for which you paid a lot of money. Someone purely by the virtue of race would make you pay them for it in perpetuity.

shatterzzz
September 15, 2023 8:40 am

Wayne Swan apparently knows better than Jacinta Price, coz….coz…..coz….he “grew up” with indigenous, never mind the fact that Jacinta Price is indigenous.

Surprise, surprise! .. Wayne Springsteen grew up in a humpy .. beats Kevni’s “livin’ in a car” ..

Beertruk
September 15, 2023 8:41 am

He glowered at me as I left the meeting later on.

‘On target…fire for effect…’

Well done Vicki.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 15, 2023 8:42 am

I grew up alongside Indigenous communities

In Nambour, back then?
Even these days, when there’s money in ticking the and/or box,
Nungers is below the state average when it comes to
people with a touch of tar.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 8:42 am

It’s quite infuriating, sometimes I try and post something and “internal service error” comes up.

I’ve found that happens when I’ve tried to post huge slabs from the Oz.
Clearly others don’t seem to have that issue.

Dot
Dot
September 15, 2023 8:43 am

Which will happen if the Voice gets up.

I’m definitely voting no, but explain how (if you have the time).

I see s 129 as an inelegant way to expand the nebulous “nationhood” powers.

A smart government might make The Voice redundant like the Inter-State Commission and roll it into something benign like the PC (where the IC technically sits now).

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 8:43 am

Dot is right.
Private property is exempt.
That’s why the WA “Heritage” bill was so terrible.
It was grift by regulation.
Not grift by taxation.

calli
calli
September 15, 2023 8:44 am

“Sock her” Swan defends “Smash her” Albo.

Respect for women, Labor Party style.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 8:46 am

Heading to Echuca today.
It’ll be “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly”

I stopped off in Echuca on my long ride home some years ago. To someone from Perf where rain protection means buying a copy of Teh Worst to hold over your head walking down St Georges Tce wandering along the levee banks around town was a revelation.

calli
calli
September 15, 2023 8:46 am

I have an aboriginal lady coming here for morning tea today. She does every Friday.

Does this grant me “special insight”?

Roger
Roger
September 15, 2023 8:47 am

If you had to pick one machine that triggered the biggest explosion of wealth in our history, which would you pick?”

The printing press. It helped trigger widespread literacy.

And money printing!

😀

Dot
Dot
September 15, 2023 8:47 am

Crossie

You’re right, I am saying it would be carried out differently. That’s all.

If we get The Voice and “land rent”, talk will be cheap and moving to WV, almost heaven, will probably happen after all (or maybe rural ID, WY, SD or MT).

I’m not living in an apartheid nation where I was born free to live as a serf to a self appointed committee of Marxist, 1/64th blooded Bunyip Aristocracy.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
September 15, 2023 8:49 am

Speculation about Brandon being pensioned off in 2025 has created several other mysteries, such as exactly when, and how the Demonrats could hope to win an election with Harris keeping a steady shoe at the helm.

There’s another option – a bit far fetched perhaps.
The October Surprise is the Deep State coming out of the closet, admitting they’ve been running the whole show for 27 years, and that the position of POTUS will remain vacant indefinitely.

shatterzzz
September 15, 2023 8:51 am

In my High School, in the seventies, we had one Aboriginal girl. I knew her. According to Swan’s Law, that makes me a Super Expert on Indigenous issues.

Pre 2000 I had a family of “you can take the 251s out of Redfern but you can’t take Redfern out of the 251s” l living next door for 3 years (before the did a midnight flit a night ahead of the drug squad & owing 14 months back-rent to HC .. LOL!) …….

I am DEFINITELY an expert on Indigenous issues .. drugs, wife beatings, drunkenness and that, ever, charming 60 000 years in the making 251 term of endearment .. “Youse filthy white C**ts”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 15, 2023 8:52 am

Daily Mail.

Welcome to Country banned by Presbyterian Church of Australia

Christian church bans Indigenous welcome on Sundays

Peter Greagg
Peter Greagg
September 15, 2023 8:53 am

From the Oz today, “Productivity slowdown costs workers $25,000 a year”.

Probably not of much interest to most.

However because of my background in economics, I think it is important as it shows the cost of ignoring the productivity slowdown that started in the mid 1990s. It shows that the average worker would now be $25, 000 pa better off if we had maintained that higher level of productivity.

Oh, BTW, I have known Alex Robson (Deputy of the Productivity Commission) for 20 years and I judge him as very “sound”. Make of that what you will.

The average Australian would be earning $25,000 more a year if the nation’s productivity performance had not slumped since the mid-1990s, with a new Productivity Commission report ­rubbishing union claims that corporate greed has been responsible for workers’ slow pay growth leading into the pandemic.

The new insights from the PC come as updated figures revealed the jobs market remained tight in August, with the number of employed Australians jumping by nearly 65,000 in the month, or about twice the level predicted by economists.

The unemployment rate, however, remained steady at 3.7 per cent, the Australian Bureau of Statistics data showed, as the ­ongoing surge in net migration swelled the pool of available labour and workforce participation ticked up to a record high.
Ahead of the release of the ­Albanese government’s employment white paper, PC deputy commissioner Alex Robson said the new report showed that lifting the country’s productivity performance would be of far greater benefit to workers’ prosperity than interventions to redirect more ­national income into employees’ pockets, as demanded by workers’ groups such as the ACTU.

“Over the long term, for most workers productivity growth and real wages have grown together in Australia,” the report concludes.

Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe, whose last day at the bank is on Friday, in his final speech last week urged politicians and the public to embrace reform to lift the country’s flagging productivity performance, saying it was “central to our future prosperity”.
This is, fundamentally, a political problem, and it is a major problem. If we can’t build a consensus for change, the economy will drift and there is a material risk that our living standards will stagnate,” Dr Lowe said.

The PC report showed that claims by left-wing think tank The Australia Institute that the profit share of workers had plunged over recent years was based on flawed analysis that failed to account for the impact of the low-employing but high-earning mining and agriculture sectors.

Mr Robson said the highly ­lucrative and capital-intensive mining and agriculture sectors employed only 5 per cent of the ­labour force, and including them created a skewed impression that workers had claimed a shrinking share of productivity gains over ­recent years.

“If you want to do this properly, and you want to look at profit shares, you’d want to disaggregate by sector to get the full picture. We have this mining boom starting in the 2010s, and without taking that into account you are really missing a key piece of the story,” Mr Robson said.

Excluding those two segments, the PC found that the share of the productivity growth dividend going to the remaining 95 per cent of workers had declined by less than 1 percentage point over the past 27 years.

Were it not for this so-called “negative wage decoupling” over the past three decades, the average annual income for the 95 per cent of workers outside the mining and farming sectors would be $3000 higher today, the PC estimated.

“But compare that to a world where you had maintained productivity growth since the mid-90s (of 2.2 per cent); the income gains are $25,000, or eight times more than if you can do these other things,” Mr Robson said.

The June quarter national accounts revealed that productivity is going backwards at the fastest pace in at least three decades, undermining hopes of a return to the even modest annual growth of 1.2 per cent assumed by Treasury’s long-term budget forecasts and the Intergenerational Report.
“The policy conclusion, then, is that productivity is really, in the long run, the key to real wages growth. The Treasurer (Jim Chalmers) has said that the government has got a laser-like focus on productivity, and that would be one of our messages as well,” Mr Robson said.

The ABS jobs figures showed that the number of full-time employed Australians rose by 2800 people in August, eclipsed by a 62,100 surge in part-time employment.

The underemployment rate, which measures those who have jobs but who are trying to get more hours, lifted from 6.4 per cent in July to 6.6 per cent, the seasonally adjusted data showed.

ANZ head of Australian economics Adam Boyton said the predominance of part-time jobs and the falling number of hours worked “took the gloss off” the ­latest employment figures.

He aid it was a “fairly consensus view” that “the moderation in GDP growth suggests jobs growth should ease over the rest of this year”. “The risks around that view could be starting to become more skewed to a stronger labour market, however,” he said.

Analysts agreed that the latest jobs report would not shift incoming RBA governor Michele Bullock’s view on interest rates, with the central bank board seeing a “credible path” to bringing inflation back under control without the need for further hikes.

The participation rate, which is the share of working-age Australians who are either in work or looking for jobs, ticked up to reach a record 67 per cent. The employment-to-popula­tion ratio also rose by 0.1 percentage point to around historical highs of 64.5pc.

A steady unemployment rate despite a booming month for jobs growth was explained both by the higher participation rate and the blockbuster growth in the working-age population.

calli
calli
September 15, 2023 8:53 am

I took the machine to be one that brought the most riches to Australia specifically.

That’s why I picked the open cut miner.

Otherwise you might as well say a flint and fibre and be done with it. Without control of fire, nothing happens.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 15, 2023 8:55 am

Just goes to show, Wane (deliberate) Swansteen knows as much about Nambour as he does about being Treasurer. SFA

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 15, 2023 8:56 am

I am DEFINITELY an expert on Indigenous issues .. drugs, wife beatings, drunkenness and that, ever, charming 60 000 years in the making 251 term of endearment .. “Youse filthy white C**ts”

A very woke young lady once asked my late father how she should address an Aboriginal.

“Call them what you like” was the answer. ‘It’s nothing to what they’ll call you.”

Rabz
September 15, 2023 8:56 am

Goose Swansteen channeling Geriatric joe:

“it goes back to 1788 when I was born and I grew up alongside indigenous communities, while living in a shoebox by side of road and burning underpants at night to keep warm” Swansteen told the braindead lamestream meeja, who then reported it without question.

calli
calli
September 15, 2023 8:57 am

I might add that the local Presbyterian church has never had an indigenous welcome to any of its services or meetings.

And now it never will.

But we might have to adopt some of the security measures that other organisations have had to, now that we’re between the crosshairs.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 15, 2023 8:58 am

If you had to pick one machine that triggered the biggest explosion of wealth in our history, which would you pick?

Steam engines.

Which we still use, although today we call them coal-fired power stations.

Rabz
September 15, 2023 8:59 am

The NPC is truly enemy territory

It’s also a hideously ugly neo-brutalist concrete box (BIRM).

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 15, 2023 9:00 am

Chris Dawson to learn fate over unlawful sexual acts with schoolgirl
Steve ZemekNCA NewsWire
Fri, 15 September 2023 4:02AM

Wife-killer Chris Dawson is expected to learn whether he will have years piled onto his jail term on Friday, after being convicted of engaging in unlawful sexual activities with an underage student.

Dawson will front Sydney’s Downing Centre District Court, where he is scheduled to be sentenced by Judge Sarah Huggett after he was earlier this year found guilty of one count of carnal knowledge.

The former Newtown Jets star and teacher has already been told he can expect to die in prison after he was sentenced to a minimum of 18 years for the murder of his wife Lynette in early 1982.

Judge Huggett in June found Dawson guilty of engaging in sexual acts with a then 16-year-old student, who can only be known as AB, when she was in his year 11 PE class.

Roger
Roger
September 15, 2023 9:00 am

The average Australian would be earning $25,000 more a year if the nation’s productivity performance had not slumped since the mid-1990s

And likely in a higher tax bracket.

Win-win!

[sarc]

johanna
johanna
September 15, 2023 9:03 am

If you had to pick one machine that triggered the biggest explosion of wealth in our history, which would you pick?”

Well, it’s a silly question because inventions stand on the shoulders of previous inventions and/or technological changes such as electric power.

But if I had to, it would be a toss up between the steam engine and the lathe.

Note that machines are all about using energy beyond human and animal.

Something which the morons running the joint have failed to grasp.

Roger
Roger
September 15, 2023 9:03 am

It’s also a hideously ugly neo-brutalist concrete box (BIRM).

Bland and without distinction or merit.

Much like our press, really.

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 15, 2023 9:05 am

It’s quite infuriating, sometimes I try and post something and “internal service error” comes up. The comment has no swear words or anything…..it is very annoying

Same with me over the last two weeks.

I wondered if it made a difference if the post was attempted as a page was full, or whether it only had a few comments on it. Have yet to test that theory.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 15, 2023 9:05 am

If you had to pick one machine that triggered the biggest explosion of wealth in our history, which would you pick?

An engine for raising water by fire.

Indolent
Indolent
September 15, 2023 9:06 am
Beertruk
September 15, 2023 9:06 am

The church has been working on side hustles for hundreds of years.

Which has been proven beyond doubt by this ‘historical documentary.’

Indolent
Indolent
September 15, 2023 9:09 am

I wouldn’t be a bit surprised.

Is Britain rejoining the EU by stealth?

Vicki
Vicki
September 15, 2023 9:14 am

It’s quite infuriating, sometimes I try and post something and “internal service error” comes up. The comment has no swear words or anything…..it is very annoying

I havn’t experienced this.

Indolent
Indolent
September 15, 2023 9:14 am

Ha ha. Note the name – Pritzker. I doubt they would support anything actually lifesaving.

New Vaccine Can Completely Reverse Autoimmune Diseases Like Multiple Sclerosis, Type 1 Diabetes, and Crohn’s Disease

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 9:16 am

Oh, BTW, I have known Alex Robson (Deputy of the Productivity Commission) for 20 years and I judge him as very “sound”. Make of that what you will.

Anyone sinking the boot into Teh Ponds Institute gets a tick from me.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 9:16 am

If you had to pick one machine that triggered the biggest explosion of wealth in our history, which would you pick?”

Not a single machine but here’s a few:
* smart phone (it connected a billion poor people to ecommerce within a decade);
* energy networks (electricity & gas to whole countries is pretty righteous).

shatterzzz
September 15, 2023 9:16 am

Was there yesterday with a visiting English cousin and her husband showing them a bit of Central Vic/Goldfields history (such as it is).

My Great great Grandaddy (Mum’s side) & family arrived from Gateshead, County Durham in 1857 to try his luck at Golden Point, Victoria .. struck gold (biggly) in 1861 .. sold up and whole family was back in Gateshead by late1862 ..
Great Gran was born in Golden Point …… alwayz listed herself as Oz on UK Census returns ………
Burf Cert …….
https://ibb.co/5TbpvGr

Robert Sewell
September 15, 2023 9:17 am

Vicki

Sep 14, 2023 8:43 PM
If you had to pick one machine that triggered the biggest explosion of wealth in our history, which would you pick?

The combine harvester.

I get your point, but the Combine Harvester wouldn’t be buildable without the lathe to do the machining.

Cassie of Sydney
September 15, 2023 9:18 am

Private property is exempt…..for now.

Robert Sewell
September 15, 2023 9:19 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

Sep 14, 2023 8:47 PM
“If you don’t stop right now,” he said – or words to that effect, “I will cut off your money!” They stopped immediately.

“I’m the man from Canberra. This stops RIGHT NOW, or your Centrelink stops straight away!”

When nothing else works, we are forced to do that which does.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 9:20 am

Any Goose Swansteen intervention in the public discourse is quite triggering for people who lived through the R-G-R years.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 9:22 am

“I’m the man from Canberra. This stops RIGHT NOW, or your Centrelink stops straight away!”

Would that work for the ALPBC?

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 9:22 am

Private property is exempt…..for now.

Don’t worry, they’re coming for it by other means.
Within a decade, the PPOR will lose its CGT exemption.
They’ll start big (maybe 20mill plus) then ratchet it down.
It’s like the super limits.
“It only effect the 0.1% blah blah blah” will be the tag line.
Until the thresholds are lowered.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 15, 2023 9:23 am

Heading to Echuca today.
It’ll be “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly”

If you are heading up through Rochester, take note of the pub. The first level was underwater this time last year

Vicki
Vicki
September 15, 2023 9:24 am

The question of personal experience of Aboriginal people will be different for everyone. But it will even be varied for those who have had widespread experience with them.

As I have said on the blog a number of times, I have had more experience perhaps than most. To recap – I have had a member of my family marry an Aboriginal woman, my husband and I have employed one in a senior position for a number of years, and we have had a personal friendship with a Yankunytjatjara man from the Central Desert. We have also travelled extensively throughout remote Australia and seen first hand the conditions and lawlessness of places like Yuendemu etc.

We have known the best and seen the worst.

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 15, 2023 9:24 am

Chris Dawson to learn fate over unlawful sexual acts with schoolgirl

The more interesting aspect of Dawson’s case is when his brother is going to be arrested.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 15, 2023 9:26 am

Or if you are coming through Kerang, pull in for a coffee 🙂

Zatara
Zatara
September 15, 2023 9:26 am

Hunter can and will be subpoenaed. And he will be forced to show up. He can claim the 5th when questioned on live TV all he wants.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 15, 2023 9:27 am

Unkind souls, over on the Oz, comparing Jacinta Price’s performance, with Linda Burney.

Robert Sewell
September 15, 2023 9:29 am

hzhousewife

Sep 14, 2023 9:02 PM
If you had to pick one machine that triggered the biggest explosion of wealth in our history, which would you pick?

steam engine

That’s what makes the video so interesting. Define ‘wealth’.
The steam engine enabled us to harness energy at very cheap rates to free labour from the fields and factories. But it didn’t create wealth – it created a replacement for human work.

Roger
Roger
September 15, 2023 9:32 am

Private property is exempt…..for now.

Don’t worry, they’re coming for it by other means.

Keep an eye on Canada.

It’s where our activists get most of their ideas from, including ‘First Nations’, intergenerational trauma, etc.

johanna
johanna
September 15, 2023 9:35 am

Private property is exempt…..for now.

That still leaves a lot of publicly owned property, like the public reserve in Mosman that a grab was attempted on.

Good on Pauline for raising the question of time limiting. Hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayers’ money is being hoovered by lawyers on both sides, and apparently there will never be an end of it.

Time to call time on the scam.

C.L.
C.L.
September 15, 2023 9:36 am

Dot, you’re being uncharacteristically gullible about the pope and abortion.
Of course he denounces it. To imagine his denunciation is a yardstick for his overall orthodoxy, however, is naive.

That Francis segued immediately to denouncing any bishop who risks the political wrath of the left by also denouncing it is what you should be paying attention to. That’s classic Francis. He, the Super-Bishop, may denounce this or that as he pleases – but nobody else can or should because that might align the Church with the non-left.

Ironically, the pope’s own description of what abortion is will be seen as political.

The real story here is that the pope – not for the first time – is saying that those who commit the extremely grave sin of publicly promoting the murder of children (murder being his word) should not be counselled to abstain from receiving the Sacrament. He falsely differentiates between “dealing with U.S. President Joe Biden’s pro-choice position” (Reuters) in a “pastoral” versus a “political” way. The Catholic tradition is that it IS pastoral to counsel the faithful not to take Communion unworthily – for their own good and the good of their brethren.

Reuters again:

Church law says a Catholic who procures an abortion automatically excommunicates themselves from the Church.

But there is no clear policy on Catholic politicians who say they have no choice as elected officials to support abortion rights even if they are personally opposed.

Biden, Pelosi and all the other ‘Catholic’ politicians do not argue – and never have argued – that they have “no choice” but to support abortion. They support it willingly and enthusiastically. They constantly seek to normalise it and make it more extreme. They constantly enjoin others to support it.

To say that their bishops have no right to admonish them is a disgrace.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 9:36 am

The more interesting aspect of Dawson’s case is when his brother is going to be arrested.

Yep, probably not sleeping too well.

Tom
Tom
September 15, 2023 9:37 am

The NPC is truly enemy territory

What I found most amusing about yesterday’s interrogation of Jacinta Price is that it was MCed by David Crowe, who has moved seamlessly from The Australian to the Sydney Morning Herald as chief political correspondent (for both) and he viscerally loathes anyone who doesn’t bow to the media and utter all the right tribal deference to The Vibe.

Yesterday, Crowe was constantly searching for a gotcha that would destroy Price’s stance against the Voice. There was no difference between him and the gotcha merchant from the Guardian.

All the lefty media are simply commanded to defend the tribal cause du jour whatever the cost and however stupid it makes them look.

The tribe’s journalists are OWNED by it. They can’t think rationally about that or any issue because rational thought is forbidden and overridden by obedience to the tribe.

There is no ideological difference between Murdoch journalists, Nein journalists or Guardian journalists. They’re all now products of universities that train them to be political radicals who don’t vote or think like normal people.

Rabz
September 15, 2023 9:38 am

Cats – one possible cause of the “infernal server errors” is copying and directly pasting text from the Oz website (or from its emails). It’s the only time I ever get them (used to happen on the ol’ Cat). If you want to copy from the Oz, try pasting it as plain text. That usually works.

I got that message the other day just after I’d tried to paste some text directly from the Oz. Only time I’ve had it come up recently.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 9:40 am

An aspect of productivity that doesn’t get looked at is the impact of aging staff.
Millennials get a bad wrap but they do pick up systems & processes pretty quickly (or at least the ones I’ve employed have).

Recently I’ve been involved in a transaction where the bottle neck has been a person who is north of 70.
The hand holding from everything ranging from spreadsheets (he needed key information screen shot & noted/highlighted before he would even look at it) to delaying aspects for over a month (for something that should have had a 24-48 hr turnaround).

Productivity failings have many inputs, but there are many aspects that make people feel uncomfortable when discussing.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 9:40 am

Keep an eye on Canada.
And the UN and international law. Unsurprisingly.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 15, 2023 9:42 am

You see, Wayne Swan apparently knows better than Jacinta Price, coz….coz…..coz….he “grew up” with indigenous, never mind the fact that Jacinta Price is indigenous.

Funny to think of Swan having been a kid and maybe getting a job at the local newsagent – and the newsagent closing down one week after letting Swan work the till.

Rabz
September 15, 2023 9:43 am

Canada. It’s where our activists get most of their ideas from, including ‘First Nations’, intergenerational trauma, etc.

Yep, because as we know, our homegrown collectivists have never had an original thought in their pointless existences, nor will they ever.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 9:43 am

The tribe’s journalists are OWNED by it. They can’t think rationally about that or any issue because rational thought is forbidden and overridden by obedience to the tribe.

Very true Tom.
An example is the hot mikes that picked up the Canberra press gallery discussing Sharri’s work of COVID.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 9:43 am

Recently I’ve been involved in a transaction where the bottle neck has been a person who is north of 70.

Bit of a problem when they own everything. 🙂 But the point is valid.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 9:44 am

Bit of a problem when they own everything.

Or at least act like they do.

Robert Sewell
September 15, 2023 9:46 am

Buccaneer

Sep 14, 2023 10:30 PM
Which machine, the lathe. Pretty much every complicated industrial machine needed the lathe to be invented before if or components that constitute it, or construct it could have occurred.

The video that started the conversation.
I get what the bloke is saying, but it appears there is no real machine that started our civilisation because the question is too vague.
Our civilisation is the sum of many different ways of harnessing energy to get the labour surplus that enables progress.
The question is unanswerable – it’s like the answer to “Life, the Universe, and Everything.” It probably will turn out to be 42.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 9:46 am

There is no ideological difference between Murdoch journalists, Nein journalists or Guardian journalists. They’re all now products of universities that train them to be political radicals who don’t vote or think like normal people.

You haven’t finished your Bacon.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 9:48 am

Ken Henry was another well know luddite.
He had to have his EA or COS on hand to use excel.
If you can not get granular with data off your own bat, you should not be heading up a public service department.
Let alone chairing a bank.

Roger
Roger
September 15, 2023 9:49 am

And the UN and international law. Unsurprisingly.

Yes, self-determination for indigenous peoples is high on the agenda.

Doesn’t seem to apply to the Brits, for some strange reason.

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 15, 2023 9:53 am

Rabz: If you want to copy from the Oz, try pasting it as plain text.

Thanks Rabz – will give it a try.

It likely was text from the Oz the other day. Funny thing though. It refused 5 paras of it; then I pasted one by one – that worked, until three paras had been pasted. Then it refused paras 4 and 5. Weird.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 9:54 am

ftb – we came across an old duffer like that. Had lucked into a mid range restaurant in a great location (it was actually a bit of a Perf institution) and thought he had the goose that laid the golden eggs. One of the major banks was into them for about 5 million and could sense they were about to lose there dough. We spent a day with them and got a lunch. Read in the papers they did go under.

johanna
johanna
September 15, 2023 9:55 am

Yep, TheirABC is in panic mode about The Invoice. Opinion pieces, examples of how mean the No peeps are, criticism of Jacinta, repetition of lies about citizenship and the census – it’s all there.

Now this:

CheckMate September 15, 2023

This week, we debunk a popular list being shared on social media that claims to show all the “voices” Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people already have.

We also look into the controversy surrounding the Yes campaign’s use of John Farnham’s 1980s hit, and whether taxpayers picked up the tab for it.

[snip]

But as CheckMate has found, the list contains a number of misleading assertions and inaccuracies.

Most importantly, unlike the proposed Voice to Parliament, none of the so-called voices is a constitutionally enshrined advisory body to the federal parliament.

The list’s reference to “3,278 Aboriginal corporations” and “243 native title bodies”, for example, refers to the number of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander corporations registered with the Registrar of Indigenous Corporations.
CheckMate: ‘Secret’ Voice documents

With a referendum on the Voice to Parliament approaching in the second half of the year, there’s one myth about the proposed body which refuses to die, despite repeated debunking.
Indigenous woman Jacinta Nampijinpa Price speaks to a forum, with and Indegenous elder and child flanked either side.
Read more

As the registrar’s website makes clear, these are simply corporations owned and controlled by Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people. The registrar’s office regulates these corporations, advising on good governance and ensuring compliance with the law.

Among those included on the register are various sports clubs, a charity dedicated to helping teach Indigenous students STEM subjects, numerous construction companies and an organisation that helps Indigenous people track their ancestry.

Elsewhere, the list draws attention to “48 land councils” and “35 regional councils” but offers no more detail on them.

In any case, the former count is inaccurate: NSW alone is home to 120 local Indigenous land councils, which work with the state’s peak body to manage land and advocate for land rights.

Nor could CheckMate find evidence of 35 regional councils, a number which appears to stem from the number of regional councils included in the final structure of the now-defunct Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission (ATSIC).

As for the claim that Indigenous people already have “three advisory bodies”, a recent article from the Parliamentary Library suggests that the only remaining federal advisory body is the Coalition of Peaks, which partners with Australian governments on the National Agreement on Closing the Gap.

According to the library, however, the Coalition of Peaks has “stated that it views the proposed Voice to Parliament as complementary to its role”.

Meanwhile, the reference to “122+ Aboriginal agencies” was too vague to confirm, though it echoes a problematic list of 109 “separate Aboriginal agencies” shared earlier this year.

Of course, they never engage with the central point, which is that there are many, many inputs from the Aboriginal perspective into local, State and Federal policy, how much they cost, and how effective they are.

BTW, whatever happened to the TSIs? We’re not hearing a lot from them, probably because they know that if such a Heath Robinson/Rube Goldberg setup was ever implemented, they would be at the bottom of the pecking order.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 9:55 am

I’m not a massive fan Mark Bouris (Wizard homeloans, Roosters board member) but he said years ago that he spent resources ensuring all staff, especially those of an older vintage, knew how to keep up to date on systems.
He said an hour here and hour there ensured your staff could continue to adapt.
Ie be more productive.
Typically, the bigger the business in Australia, they spend more time on AWB & compliance training than they do on systems training.

Roger
Roger
September 15, 2023 9:55 am

I pasted one by one – that worked, until three paras had been pasted. Then it refused paras 4 and 5. Weird.

Did the same to me a few weeks ago.

Not copy and paste from a newspaper but my own written text though.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 9:57 am


Yep, TheirABC is in panic mode about The Invoice

Lol, The Invoice.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 9:57 am

AWB = appropriate workplace behaviour.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 10:00 am

If you can not get granular with data off your own bat, you should not be heading up a public service department.

Yep, first question “Can you send me an electronic copy of the model.” Not many of them around any more. Never actually got my own dictaphone but would have been nice for those early DOS word processors.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 10:02 am

Old guys who have seen it all before are still useful to have around. Most problems are not new.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 10:04 am

Bear, a couple of years ago I was roped into a corporate lunch I really didn’t want to go to. A reluctant seat filler.
I was on this table with a couple of old guys who where hotel/pub bankers for one of the big four banks.
They moaned how in the old days you’d value the asset based on a walk though more than you would on financials.
And how now it was plug in the lap tops.
They had to rely on the young people with the data to tell you what the asset was worth.
The bizarre thing was they didn’t view the data has a tool but as a threat.
To them!

Jorge
Jorge
September 15, 2023 10:04 am

The church has been working on side hustles for hundreds of years

Tough crowd this morning.

When JC (the other one) cursed that fig tree He commanded them to bring the cannoli. Right ?

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 10:06 am

Old guys who have seen it all before are still useful to have around. Most problems are not new.

100%.
Important to have around to advise.
This is why a US president should not be over 60 years old.
And should surround themselves with older vintage types to give advice.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
September 15, 2023 10:10 am

Consternation at Albo’s warm congratulations to the hereditary Communist leader in Cambodia:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-15/hun-manet-cambodian-leader-inherits-power-and-problems/102798830

Don’t they know that inheriting the family seat is a venerable tradition in the ALP too?

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 10:12 am

The bizarre thing was they didn’t view the data has a tool but as a threat.
To them!

They were right. In my (fortunately short) banking days only credit cards were really model driven. We didn’t mind it as it kept all the really crappy consumer credit of the branch books. You still had to put all loans through the models but it really was a rubber stamping exercise. Not any more.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 10:13 am

One day, I will be one of “those older guys”.
But I’m smart enough to realise my limitations.
I’ll be checking out before I’m called the Bushranger (holds everyone up).

My business was at it’s peak when I was the only person over 40 & my seven staff where all under 30.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 15, 2023 10:14 am

johanna

Sep 15, 2023 9:55 AM

Yep, TheirABC is in panic mode about The Invoice. 

Case in point.
I heard the 3AW TV reviewer bint (Jane Holmes) yesterday running interference for them too.
The ABC didn’t run Jacinta Price’s Press Club speech live.
Holmes checked with the ABC and no probs.
Apparently they only ever run Press Club speeches live on Wednesdays, and Jacinta wasn’t on a Wednesday so bad luck.
Sure.
The ABC and Press Club wouldn’t have cooked up the “only on Wednesday” story in advance and scheduled it accordingly.
Allegedly the most important issue of a generation, with the opposition spokesperson on the matter speaking and they can’t change the schedule?
Pull the other one, it’s got a spear in it.
I’ll bet if Luigi wants to make a Press Club speech on a Thursday with a week to go before the vote, it will get a run.

Bar Beach Swimmer
September 15, 2023 10:14 am

Hi DB, I’ve sent you an email

Makka
Makka
September 15, 2023 10:14 am

Sharing Travel
@TripInChina
Good function. Huawei mobile phone Take Excel photos and become Excel files.

https://twitter.com/TripInChina/status/1701983695924875363

Viva
Viva
September 15, 2023 10:17 am

The cotton gin transformed the textile industry but boosted the slave trade

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 15, 2023 10:19 am
GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 15, 2023 10:21 am

Peter G, having the productivity commission looking at productivity is in itself part of the problem. Government has inserted itself in every facet of business. Red and green tape abounds. Roy Hill probably being the worst example. In the 80’s and 90’s we used to work directly for government departments, then the Big Four accounting companies got involved, the same job cost 40% more at least. All through government people are being paid exorbitant amounts for not being capable of doing the job they were employed to do. I commented recently my wife is contracted to do a job four others in the hierarchy should be able to do. They are busy going to meetings, attending courses for what?This is basic work, following legislation and using her brain. Top heavy management structures along with Union control have ruined this country. Once upon a time the managers actually knew about the business they were in. Nowadays an MBA seems to confer some sort of knowledge about any product. I’m reminded about the Monty Python skit about the hospital that has all the staff and equipment but no patients. Government knows nothing about business except the business of trying to get re-elected. My wife’s grandfather had 4th form education, started as a porter at a railway station, rose to become incharge of the railway with 6000 staff. Very few today are willing to work their way up. Sorry about the ramble but the problems with the economy are a lot more basic than appears. Less government involvement equals more money to go round.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 15, 2023 10:21 am

Vicki
Sep 15, 2023 9:24 AM

The question of personal experience of Aboriginal people will be different for everyone. But it will even be varied for those who have had widespread experience with them.

Wise words.
Albeit in the limited context of land access, I’ve had a fair exposure to indigenous organisations over the past 30-odd years – and through that individuals.

That experience has been varied, on balance generally positive – although, like any ‘average’, with outliers.

My takeaway (anecdotal for whatever that’s worth) is that dealing with aboriginal society through any Gubba process means dealing with a few senior people – and the outcome is wholly dependent on personality, attitude, and whatever it is those people are actually trying to achieve on the ground. There’s no Aboriginal ‘democracy’ visible to the casual whitefella.

In the result, if you find yourself dealing with an urban activist – you will have an entirely different experience if you’re dealing with people trying to do something positive for the community they live in, or someone trying to make a quick buck for themselves.

The Voice might be quite different to this; but how that’s going to happen appears to be secret business.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 10:23 am

One day, I will be one of “those older guys”.
But I’m smart enough to realise my limitations.

You want a mix of people around. Left up to me we wouldn’t have done anything. My boss was the opposite. Both have their problems. I would definitely have made more money being less risk averse. I’m not the one in Peppermint Grove.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 10:27 am

Very few today are willing to work their way up.

Ranga, the system precludes this happening.
You will never again see a teller at a bank end up running the place (Don Argus).
You will never see someone who owned & ran a McDonalds franchise run the company (Charlie Bell).

Robert Sewell
September 15, 2023 10:31 am

Black Ball

Sep 15, 2023 7:42 AM
Clean energy is the spark needed to boost jobs and manufacturing and make Australia rich, the PM Anthony Albanese will declare at a landmark forum.

AA is a fool.
Cheap energy is the spark needed to boost jobs and manufacturing and make Australia rich.

C.L.
C.L.
September 15, 2023 10:31 am

Meloni has failed terribly and Lampedusa is Exhibit A.

Yes, the whole Meloni thing was yet another curated fraud. An admittedly energetic but shallow rhetorician was promoted as being – and promoted herself as being – a ‘right-wing’ agent of restoration. Once elected, she immediately aligned herself with the Ukraine wing of globalism. That was the tell.

Italy is being completely swamped by Africans and there isn’t a thing she can do about it. The ultimate cause, however, is that Western Europeans, including Italians, now hate children.

Zatara
Zatara
September 15, 2023 10:39 am

Italy is being completely swamped by Africans and there isn’t a thing she can do about it.

Of course there is. Shut the ports to illegals and tell the EU to fark off.

But they are 4-5 years late.

johanna
johanna
September 15, 2023 10:40 am

We had a Bosnian (I know, but the world is a strange place nowadays) rock band staying here yesterday, and they had an afterparty on the balcony last night. I played them some Iggy and the Stooges. Typical band, some nice, some not so nice. They’re gone now.

Amongst the wreckage, which included a half full bottle of Wild Turkey, I found a Marlboro Red 20 packet with zero health warnings. Apparently the WHO doesn’t run Bosnia. The original pack!

Yess! It is my cigarette case of choice for the forseeable. 🙂

It looks like they were drinking the Wild Turkey with Coke. I suspect that it was fashion rather than taste. 50 years ago, they would have been drinking the despicable Southern Comfort.

I looked them up, and apparently they are ‘primitive’ rockers, been around since 1985. I can’t even pronounce the name of the band, let alone the members’.

But, around here, the joint is full of descendents of Eastern Europeans who worked on the Snowy scheme, and apparently they have a following.

My dream is that The Hu come and stay and play a local gig.

Zatara
Zatara
September 15, 2023 10:41 am

Oh, and stop sending Italian Coast Guard ships to the coast of north Africa to pick up more illegals.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 15, 2023 10:44 am

The Ukies’ spokestranny goes sinister.

duncanm
duncanm
September 15, 2023 10:45 am

Price’s speech has the luvvies in apoplexy.

Johnny Rotten
September 15, 2023 10:49 am

“I’m reminded about the Monty Python skit about the hospital that has all the staff and equipment but no patients.”

Not too sure about Monty P but ‘Yes Minister’ had such an episode –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5zEb1oS9A

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 10:50 am

Beware the cuckoo in the nest. Lord Waffleworth is perhaps the most egregious example. A broad church needs a wide door.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 10:52 am

Price’s speech has the luvvies in apoplexy.

Always a good indicator.

Robert Sewell
September 15, 2023 10:52 am

Dot:

I think people are beginning to realise that native title claims could soon be made against their little suburban patch of land

No.
Claims could be made and they will never be successful without a huge and coordinated changes to State and Federal legislation.

What do you call the Voice?
And how about all the State legislation being enacted/discussed in Parliaments around the country even before the Referendum?

Zatara
Zatara
September 15, 2023 10:52 am

“I’m reminded about the Monty Python skit about the hospital that has all the staff and equipment but no patients.”

But plenty of machines that went “Ping”.

Robert Sewell
September 15, 2023 10:54 am

Peter Greagg:

Pat Dodson, the father of reconciliation, has conceded the No case in the referendum debate has been “effective” and that a lack of detail has made promoting the voice more difficult, as Yes23 prepares to launch a more aggressive campaign to claim victory.

Yes! Do it! Do It! DO IT!!

Tom
Tom
September 15, 2023 10:56 am

My dream is that The Hu come and stay and play a local gig.

I saw what you did there, Johanna.

Is there still a version of The Who touring the world and scooping up Boomer goodwill?

johanna
johanna
September 15, 2023 10:57 am

Italy has got to stop playing nice, or it will be overrun with illegal immigrants who have to be supported by local infrastructure and services.

The hesitancy to turn off the bloody tap raises questions about bribes, election funding and blackmail.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 15, 2023 10:58 am

The sight of Albo in tears at a Press Club circle jerk is worth waiting for.
“I’m ready for my closeup.”

Peter Greagg
Peter Greagg
September 15, 2023 11:00 am

Tom
Sep 15, 2023 10:56 AM
My dream is that The Hu come and stay and play a local gig.

I saw what you did there, Johanna.

Is there still a version of The Who touring the world and scooping up Boomer goodwill?

Just read Roger’s autobiography, and they (well Pete and Roger) sill are perfoming.
BTW, Roger was a welder’s assistent before becoming a rock star.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 11:02 am

BTW, Roger was a welder’s assistent before becoming a rock star.

A change from dropping out of art school.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 15, 2023 11:07 am

The hesitancy to turn off the bloody tap raises questions about bribes, election funding and blackmail.

Wasn’t that the Tony Blair model (not the first to use it but perhaps to popularise it). Don’t change policies, change the electorate.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 15, 2023 11:07 am

Price’s speech has the luvvies in apoplexy.

Sure does.
All the way from Wayne Swann going full Corn Pop to the Grauniad floundering around in Lefty misery:

Unpacking five key claims from Jacinta Price’s National Press Club address on the voice

Unpacking into:

• the traditional Straw Man that the Voice won’t have a legal power of veto;
• an admission that Price is ‘technically correct’ that we don’t know what form the Voice will take;,
• telling us that that ‘colonial mass murdering’ was alive and well in 1981; and (joy of joy)
• that Price doesn’t support either of Dutton’s counter proposals.

Whichever way October 14 bounces, the net result of Uncle Luigi’s clever handling of the issue is that Australia will not only be sharply divided on the issue of aboriginal disadvantage, it will also have corporate and institutional fracture lines as never before.

Spanker.

Peter Greagg
Peter Greagg
September 15, 2023 11:08 am

In more news from the ‘too cheap to meter’ land, “…Analysis from the AEMC has shown that price settings in the wholesale electricity market are currently set too low to ensure there is enough generation and battery storage to keep the system reliable as it transitions.”

So it is clear then that, according the regulator, prices need to rise significantly. It’s a pity Benson didn’t ask Bowen’s Flack how that squared with the government’s view that renewables will force prices down.

From the Oz.

Electricity prices are set to rise further over the short term under a draft ruling by the Australian Energy Market Commission to raise the existing market price cap to drive urgent new generation as households and businesses face the prospect of blackouts.

The AEMC on Thursday announced draft changes to the National Electricity Rules that it says were needed to prevent an electricity reliability failure as ageing coal-fired generation plants were retired amid the transition to more renewable ­energy.

The AEMC modelling revealed that the proposed move to raise the wholesale price ceiling from $16,000/MWh to $22,800/MWh by 2027 would result in retail electricity prices rising by a further 3 per cent.
This would come on top of the more than 20 per cent increase to retail electricity prices consumers are already facing.

The move to reset the pricing rules is the first permanent change in more than a decade amid warnings that without the new investment, retail prices could eventually rise by significantly more. “This proposed change is about improving reliability and decreasing prices for households and businesses over the long term,” a spokesperson for Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen said.

It is the second alarm bell for the Albanese government over its drive to transition the energy market to renewables amid warnings raised in August by the energy market operator that a lack of investment in new generation would lead to a reliability crisis.
The AEMC says the current wholesale price was too low to drive more generation investment into the system and consumers would ultimately benefit from greater competition, resulting in greater reliability and lower retail prices of 1.6 per cent over the long term.

The draft determination by the AEMC says “price settings in the wholesale electricity market are currently set too low to ensure there is enough generation and battery storage to keep the system reliable as it transitions”.

“The AEMC sets the rules for the National Electricity Market and provides independent expert energy advice to Australia’s state and federal governments,” the AEMC said.
“It is strongly focused on providing a framework for a reliable electricity system and affordable electricity prices, particularly in light of the current cost-of-living concerns.

“An essential part of this work involves implementing arrangements to make sure there is enough electricity supply in the wholesale electricity market to meet the needs of households and businesses over the coming years and reduce the risk of outages.

“Analysis from the AEMC has shown that price settings in the wholesale electricity market are currently set too low to ensure there is enough generation and battery storage to keep the system reliable as it transitions.”

The AEMC said the proposed new price settings would have “no impact on wholesale electricity prices over 99 per cent of the time” and would kick in only in extreme or emergency settings.

However, they would deliver additional capacity into the system by driving new investment “that will have substantial benefits in reducing the risk of outages and ensuring our electricity system remains reliable for households and businesses”.

“As these price settings apply rarely, the proposal is expected to result in a relatively small impact on retail electricity prices,” it said.

“The Reliability Panel’s modelling predicts a small increase in retail electricity prices by 2027, but ultimately the adjustment will lead to lower long-term prices for consumers than would otherwise have been the case.”

The commission’s modelling forecasts a “short-term increase in consumer bill costs” of 3 per cent in real terms in 2028. This increase would occur progressively between July 2025 and 2028.

The modelling also showed extra investment stimulated under the rule change would ultimately result in lower prices and better reliability because of the effect the investment would have on driving competition in the market.

AEMC chair Anna Collyer said adjustments needed to be made to manage the transformation and “support decarbonisation of the electricity sector”.

“These changes would encourage more generation and battery storage into the system when we need it most, reducing the risk of damaging outages for electricity consumers and keeping the system stable as we rapidly transition to higher levels of renewable energy and decarbonise our economy,” she said.

“This proposal is designed to have no bearing on prices under typical market conditions. Rather, it en­ables price fluctuations to encourage new market entrants, thus fostering competition to the benefit of all consumers.”

Opposition energy spokesman Ted O’Brien said the proposed rule change would force consumers to pay for the transition to renewable energy.

Peter Greagg
Peter Greagg
September 15, 2023 11:09 am

H B Bear
Sep 15, 2023 11:02 AM
BTW, Roger was a welder’s assistent before becoming a rock star.

A change from dropping out of art school.

That was Pete!

Alamak!
September 15, 2023 11:10 am

Zatara> I think that was a “Yes, Minister” episode

Timeless humour, no matter the source

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 15, 2023 11:11 am

lotocoti
Sep 15, 2023 8:42 AM
I grew up alongside Indigenous communities

In Nambour, back then?
Even these days, when there’s money in ticking the and/or box,
Nungers is below the state average when it comes to
people with a touch of tar.

“Beside” in a relative sense, it is under 200 kms from Nambour to the former Cherbourg Aboriginal Mission.

C.L.
C.L.
September 15, 2023 11:11 am

The fact that Kanye West hasn’t been deported from Italy officially – or monstered out of the country by less official interests – confirms everything you already guessed about the demoralised insipidity of the place now. He is deliberately ridiculing a collapsing Christian society.

Robert Sewell
September 15, 2023 11:13 am

feelthebern

Sep 15, 2023 8:43 AM
Dot is right.
Private property is exempt.
That’s why the WA “Heritage” bill was so terrible.
It was grift by regulation.
Not grift by taxation.

And how long will that exemption last if the Referendum is passed by whatever nefarious means? Because if it is passed, then “Community Support” for the measure will mean the government of the day can and will impose it by degrees.
Once the bastards get a foot in the door, there’ll be no stopping them.

C.L.
C.L.
September 15, 2023 11:13 am

Insult of the week:

“…fishnet stocking wearing poodle headed queer…”

Twostix on Alexander Downer at my place.

Rabz
September 15, 2023 11:14 am

This proposed change is about improving reliability and decreasing prices for households and businesses

War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
We have always been at war with Wussia, Wussia, Wussia!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 15, 2023 11:18 am

My dream is that The Hu come and stay and play a local gig.

Seconded. The Leningrad Cowboys would be excellent too!

(For Tom’s education The HU are a Mongolian heavy rock band. They’re rather good.)

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 15, 2023 11:22 am

I have an aboriginal lady coming here for morning tea today. She does every Friday.

Giving her tea? And flour (as in cake)?

Geez! All you need to do is give her blankets to complete the paternalistic snares set out by Europeans when they first arrived.

I see the spirit of white supremacy is still alive and well!

/joke – in case it is not obvious enough

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 15, 2023 11:32 am
pete of perth
pete of perth
September 15, 2023 11:34 am

Watching cna.. more and more stories about “carbon footprints” and how Singapore is reducing them. Maybe that extension cord from Oz is a goa. Carbon was not in the conversation last time I was here in 2019.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 15, 2023 11:38 am

The AEMC says the current wholesale price was too low to drive more generation investment into the system and consumers would ultimately benefit from greater competition, resulting in greater reliability and lower retail prices of 1.6 per cent over the long term.

In the “long term”, we are all dead.

Dot
Dot
September 15, 2023 11:39 am

And how long will that exemption last if the Referendum is passed by whatever nefarious means? Because if it is passed, then “Community Support” for the measure will mean the government of the day can and will impose it by degrees.
Once the bastards get a foot in the door, there’ll be no stopping them.

They’d need to pass State and Federal law in a coordinated effort or it won’t work.

Their revenue is also at stake. CGT, rates, land tax, stamp duties and possible estate tax.

As committed as Albanese is to the Voice, there’s no commitment to the rest of the nonsense fortunately. I think he’s fine handwaving away Makaratta because the Voice to him is just cosmetic virtue signalling.

I hope.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 15, 2023 11:39 am

H B Bear

Sep 15, 2023 10:52 AM

Price’s speech has the luvvies in apoplexy.

Always a good indicator.

It’s a tough one.
We want to call her a redneck racist, but …

Robert Sewell
September 15, 2023 11:41 am

Cheap energy is the spark needed to boost jobs and manufacturing and make Australia rich.

The tax/excise impost of fuel has probably cost Australia more in productivity lost than it could ever raise in government revenue and spending.
But I wouldn’t know – I’m not an economist.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
September 15, 2023 11:43 am

Heading to Echuca today.
It’ll be “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly”

The Beer Museum is amazing ! Not just beer, all kinds of Australiana.

Zatara
Zatara
September 15, 2023 11:43 am

Alamak!

I think we are both right.

Monty Python – The Machine that goes PING!

johanna
johanna
September 15, 2023 11:43 am

Opposition energy spokesman Ted O’Brien said the proposed rule change would force consumers to pay for the transition to renewable energy.

Perhaps Teddles could explain in what universe consumers would not be paying for politicians’ latest version of a toy train in every town.

When did voters support this ‘transition’ – which closely resembles the other kind – as in, no relation to reality and massive social and economic costs.

The way politicians all support ‘transition’ as though it is a done deal without that annoying thing of consulting voters is infuriating.

Well done to Farmer Gez and his like in putting a spoke in their collective wheel. If greenies can hold up mines for decades … heh, heh! 🙂

The eejits who used spurious grounds about alleged endangered species are just finding out that a sword has two blades.

Meanwhile, Labor and the Greens continue to try to do business in the Senate …

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 15, 2023 11:44 am

The AFR View

Heed the truth bombs on productivity puzzle

The politicians who joined the pile-on against Tim Gurner don’t push for the policy reforms that would help the economy sustain a jobless rate below 4 per cent.

Apologetic self-made millionaire property developer Tim Gurner might have unleashed a truth bomb that has been heard around the world about the puzzle of Australia’s worsening post-pandemic productivity slump.

Speaking at The Australian Financial Review Property Summit on Tuesday, Mr Gurner said a “systemic change” during the COVID-19 pandemic – where “people decided they didn’t really want to work so much any more” – had had a huge effect on productivity.

Unemployment now had to go up 40 to 50 per cent to “see some pain in the economy”, to “remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around”, and to change the dynamic “where employees feel the employer is extremely lucky to have them, as opposed to the other way around”, he said.

The video of Mr Gurner’s comments went viral on social media and generated headlines across international media. The clip posted on the Financial Review’s X (formerly Twitter) account was viewed almost 24 million times.

It was shared with her 13.3 million followers by far-left Democrat Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as she railed at the gap between workers’ and CEOs’ pay. Meanwhile, Liberal and Labor MPs, union bosses and some business leaders lined up to brand the comments “out of touch”.

Mr Gurner has now apologised for his rough-and-tumble take that he admits was insensitive.

Yet his frank talk is grappling with the serious puzzle that is the slide in Australia’s post-pandemic labour productivity back to 2016 levels.

Australia’s unemployment rate is holding steady at close to a 50-year low of 3.7 per cent as the economy’s excess demand for labour absorbs the sharp, post-pandemic bounceback of international students and working holidaymakers.

Record high immigration growth has come with a record proportion of the working-age population in the labour force, which has helped to relieve record rates of worker shortages.

Dr Lowe warned that Australia faced a material risk of stagnating living standards unless productivity rebounded.

Yet the economy’s level of productivity – economic output divided by labour hours worked – has fallen alarmingly.

To bring down inflation, the Reserve Bank’s 12 interest rate rises seek to generate spare capacity in an economy that has been operating flat chat.

Both outgoing governor Philip Lowe and his successor, Michele Bullock, have said unemployment would need to rise to 4.5 per cent or so to get inflation down to the bank’s target of 2 per cent to 3 per cent by mid-2025.

This trade-off between higher unemployment and lower inflation is in line with Treasury forecasts and is accepted by Treasurer Jim Chalmers. In his “closing remarks” speech last week, Dr Lowe warned that Australia faced a material risk of stagnating living standards unless productivity rebounded.

With a falling level – not just a fall in growth – of productivity, the labour cost of producing each unit of economic output is growing by more than 7 per cent a year. That’s simply not consistent taming inflation and ending the cost-of-living squeeze.

Dr Lowe’s truth bomb – about both sides of politics having failed to advance a productivity-enhancing policy agenda during the reform drought of the past 20 years – is underlined by the Productivity Commission’s truth bomb, debunking claims by unions and left-wing think tanks that corporate price gouging and excess profits have stolen workers’ fair share of productivity gains.

In fact, the wages of most Australian workers have grown in line with productivity and kept up with corporate profit, just as the Treasury and the RBA have found.

The main exception is in the resources sector, due largely to the temporary surge in commodity export prices that needs to be quarantined from the domestic economy’s cost structure.

Otherwise, that would risk a repeat of the union wage campaigns of the late 1970s resources boom that former prime minister Paul Keating later blamed for destroying the jobs of 100,000 or so workers.

According to the Productivity Commission, if Australia had maintained the reform-era productivity performance achieved in the mid-1990s, workers’ wages would be $25,000 higher today.

Yet the politicians who joined the pile-on against Mr Gurner, and who complain about “wage stagnation”, resist the policy reforms that would not only increase real wages but would also help the economy sustain a jobless rate below 4 per cent.

Peter Greagg
Peter Greagg
September 15, 2023 11:46 am

Robert Sewell
Sep 15, 2023 11:41 AM
Cheap energy is the spark needed to boost jobs and manufacturing and make Australia rich.

The tax/excise impost of fuel has probably cost Australia more in productivity lost than it could ever raise in government revenue and spending.
But I wouldn’t know – I’m not an economist.

You are correct. One of the worst things to do is to tax inputs into production because it reduces efficiency.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 15, 2023 11:46 am

Matt Canavan in the Courier Mail:

A few weeks ago the Prime Minister could not say what the price of petrol was. No one expects the PM to have to fill up his own tank, but he would from time to time be driven around our streets. It was strange that he had not noticed the big, green, neon signs that have a 2 in front of them again.

People are already struggling with interest rates, power prices and the surge in petrol prices is taking many families to the edge. In the Senate this week, the Government was asked what it was doing to help families with the price of petrol.

Their response was that it is providing subsidies for the purchase of electric cars. Even with these generous taxpayer handouts, the cheapest electric car in Australia is $40,000. How can a family that is struggling to pay the $120 bill to fill up the car going to be able to afford a whole new car at those prices?

I have nothing against electric cars. They are fun to drive but they are expensive and they are no solution to families already struggling with the cost of living.

And, by the way, electric cars are also not crash hot for the environment. Because they contain much more heavily processed metals, electric cars create about 70 per cent more emissions in their construction than a traditional internal combustion car. The average Australian needs to drive an electric car for more than eight years before it would actually lower carbon emissions.

So what can help bring down petrol prices? The answer is simple. Australia, and other western countries need to produce and refine more oil.

Australia used to do this.

Just 20 years ago Australia was almost self-sufficient in raw petroleum production. We produced 96 per cent of our needs, mainly off the coast of Victoria. But the Bass Strait has run dry of oil and now we produce less than half of our raw petroleum needs.

Just 12 years ago, Australia could refine 742,000 barrels of oil a day, meeting almost three-quarters of our oil needs. Since then five Australian oil refineries have shut and now we can refine just a quarter of our oil needs. There are just two refineries left in Australia, in Brisbane and Geelong.

Despite our net zero commitments, and electric car subsidies, Australia still consumes 1 million barrels of oil per day. And our consumption has barely changed over the past decade. What has changed is that we are now reliant on other countries to meet those needs.

And global consumption of oil has been rising. In July this year global oil demand hit 102.5 million barrels a day, surpassing the record set in 2019 before the coronavirus pandemic. So much for net zero.

Increasing consumption and declining production in developed countries has meant that our petrol prices are increasingly dictated by Saudi Arabia and Russia. In recent months, they have decided to cut back production, creating global oil shortages and making you pay more for petrol.

There is no need for us to hand over the control of our energy security to these dictatorial regimes. Australia remains an unexplored land of resource riches. Our best geologists at Geoscience Australia estimate that there could be 1 trillion barrels of oil in north Western Australia. Not all of this will be recoverable but there could easily be enough there to rival the oilfields of Texas.

The Beetaloo Basin in the Northern Territory could also contain liquid fuels and it is Australia’s first producing shale basin.

When the LNP were in Government we funded exploration of our resources to find out what we have, and to try and attract the commercial investment that could recreate our energy independence.

The new Labor Government scrapped these initiatives in its first budget and instead funded tax concessions for electric vehicles. These concessions are only useful to rich people who pay high taxes. Poorer Australians struggling with the price of petrol have been offered nothing by the new Labor Government.

Australia developed the Bass Strait on the back of generous support for offshore drilling from the Menzies Government. This support attracted the world’s most renowned geologist from America, Lewis Weeks, and he immediately identified the Bass Strait as the place to drill.

We need to help support a new era of oil discovery if we want to provide any cost of living relief to Australian families. The demand for oil is going nowhere so if we do not increase the supply to match, the price of petrol will just keep going up and up, whether the PM notices it or not.

C.L.
C.L.
September 15, 2023 11:50 am

Chris Kenny gave Jacinta a stern talking-to last night for weighing in on Aboriginal matters.

johanna
johanna
September 15, 2023 11:51 am

Bruce, after I upticked your comment about the HU. it went to negative.

Dover, I don’t care about it but clearly it’s being gamed.

Dot
Dot
September 15, 2023 11:51 am

Productivity, schmoductivity.

In the last three and a bit years, M0 (currency) growth compounded at 49.5%.

This is why your money is now worth sweet FA.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 15, 2023 11:52 am

Shocking moment Tesla is engulfed by flames as firefighters battle the blaze on a busy highway

. Tesla burst into flames on country NSW road
. Fire crews worked for half an hour to control the blaze

READ MORE: Lithium car battery ignites five cars at Sydney Airport

A lithium battery is believed to have sparked a fiery blaze that engulfed a luxury Tesla on a country road.

NSW Rural Fire Service attended the blaze on the side of the Hume Highway near Penrose in the Southern Highlands two hours south-west of Sydney.

The Tesla Model 3, which costs upwards of $60,000, is understood to have caught fire when a piece of debris that fell from a truck damaged the battery shell.

Both the driver and passenger safely escaped the car on Monday night though firefighters had to douse the blaze for half an hour before it was subdued.

The electrolyte fluid reaction in lithium batteries makes them extremely hard to put out should they catch fire and they are known to spontaneously reignite up to a week later.

Fire crews had to bring in a bulk water tanker and more than 6,000litres of water was eventually used before the Tesla stopped flaming.

‘A very interesting call-out last night with our first call to an electric vehicle fire,’ Penrose Rural Fire Service said.

‘The car had hit debris from a vehicle in front of it and was well alight when Penrose Rural Fire Brigade arrived,’

The fire was on the same day as five luxury cars in a parking lot at Sydney Airport were razed after a removed lithium battery caught fire.

Lithium battery fires are becoming an increasing problem across the globe as millions of electric cars, electric bikes, e-scooters, and electric gardening tools pour into the consumer market.

In Australia last year alone there were 180 lithium battery fires reported in NSW, 120 in Victoria, 72 in Queensland and 59 in WA.

Faulty or poor quality batteries can ignite while charging but they can also catch fire when they are are not even plugged in.

Damage or harsh weather conditions such as direct sunlight or flooding can cause the pressurised electrolyte fluid to leak, which is highly flammable.

In Victoria, fire crews are responding to at least one battery-related blaze every week.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 15, 2023 11:52 am

The tax/excise impost of fuel has probably cost Australia more in productivity lost than it could ever raise in government revenue and spending.

Georgia has just suspended excise.

GA Governor Kemp Declares State of Emergency and Suspends Gas Tax—Take Note California (14 Sep)

Atlanta, GA—Georgia Governor Brian Kemp officially declared a state of emergency today due to high inflation and poor economic conditions in the state stemming from bad economic policies coming out of Washington, D.C. In his declaration, Kemp said he is temporarily suspending the state’s excise tax on motor and locomotive fuel. The suspension of the tax took effect at midnight this morning and will go through October 12th, 2023. This move will save everyone buying gas in Georgia approximately 29 cents per gallon.

C’mon Albo, you can give us that $275 saving you promised by doing exactly this.

(Ok yes, I can’t troll the ALP with the best of them, but if it’s good enough for Georgia it’s good enough here too.)

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 15, 2023 11:56 am

The question is unanswerable – it’s like the answer to “Life, the Universe, and Everything.” It probably will turn out to be 42.

Probably.
For me the nearest thing to 42 would be the wheel and axle combo. It allowed early civilization to do much more productive stuff and provided the starting point for the whole family of rotating machinery.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 15, 2023 11:57 am

The AEMC is still making plans for investment without giving recognition to landholders and country communities who get the butt ugly renewables.
It’s exactly this type of insular arrogance that infuriates farmers. They go straight from investment in supply to the pricing for consumers without recognising the elephant in the middle.
Trampling time for these mongrels.

Robert Sewell
September 15, 2023 11:58 am

Black Ball
Sep 15, 2023 11:46 AM

So what can help bring down petrol prices? The answer is simple. Australia, and other western countries need to produce and refine more oil.

Greens (10% vote) say NO.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 12:04 pm

This weekend there are four former Alabama QB’s starting in the NFL.
It’s not uncommon to have two from the same college.
Rarer to get three (Alabama last year & a few years back Michigan State of all places).
But four?

Another stat that I’m reading about is how often QB’s from the same high school play each other in the NFL.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 15, 2023 12:11 pm

Of course you are right Bern about the system not allowing you to work your way up but that is my point. This you can be or do anything you want is a load of crap. The dumbarses think they can start at the top. I’m to good to get my hands dirty, its someone elses job. It’s all the same thing. Gimme the money even though I haven’t a clue. I want a participation medal. The perpetual grievance industry. Out sourcing of raising your own children. Where do I stop. If you’re not producing something, even assisting in the production of something, the service industries as well, then you become a drain. As a nation we have lost our ability to do things. It should be us producing the finished product.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 15, 2023 12:13 pm

Gez, all start identifying as Indigenous. This is our land, piss off.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 15, 2023 12:13 pm

‘The car had hit debris from a vehicle in front of it and was well alight when Penrose Rural Fire Brigade

Exactly the same result when my mower hit an 18 volt drill battery last week.
Metal penetrating the casing at speed guarantees a fire.
The most dangerous form of transport since the Hindenburg.

Makka
Makka
September 15, 2023 12:16 pm

Libya is a completely failed country. Lawlessness, gang and faction warfare and now a huge natural disaster in the east with floods. It’s institutions which at least once functioned in a fashion are now non-existent. Every man, woman and child for themselves. A Mad Max style existence.

But, there’s plenty money to be made in that misery. Both in Libya and especially over the other side of the Med. And with this kind of EU money sloshing around (of course under the rigid scrutiny of famously honest Italian accountants) I think it would be a safe bet that the waves of ever increasing hordes of sub-saharan males exiting the continent from Libya’s coast won’t be stopping anytime soon.

The Asylum, Migration and Integration Fund (AMIF)EN••• is set up for the period 2021-2027, with a total of EUR 9.88 billion.

And what is the bet the AMIF will not be expanded significantly as Africa migrates? Illegal immigration is quite the money spinner, for some.

Elena Testi
@elenatesti
Hotspot di #Lampedusa ore 22 del 13 settembre. Forze dell’ordine e #CroceRossa allo stremo.
#Italy

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 15, 2023 12:17 pm

Australia remains an unexplored land of resource riches.

This bit is quite true – and possibly a bit shocking to urban bien pensants who imagine the ‘outback’ to be a ploughed-up mess of spoil heaps.

Our best geologists at Geoscience Australia estimate that there could be 1 trillion barrels of oil in north Western Australia. Not all of this will be recoverable but there could easily be enough there to rival the oilfields of Texas.

This bit falls into the same category as ‘there is 500 tonnes of gold in every cubic mile of seawater’. True, but truthy.

I guess the main Canavan takeaway ‘is get the fcuk out of the way’ if you want nice things. Which is also true.

Makka
Makka
September 15, 2023 12:18 pm
Buccaneer
Buccaneer
September 15, 2023 12:25 pm

Robert.

I get what the bloke is saying, but it appears there is no real machine that started our civilisation because the question is too vague.
Our civilisation is the sum of many different ways of harnessing energy to get the labour surplus that enables progress.
The question is unanswerable – it’s like the answer to “Life, the Universe, and Everything.” It probably will turn out to be 42.

Interesting question “what is the thing that contributed most to starting our civilisation” but different from the original question.

If you mean western civilisation, as distinct from others, I would say the establishment of trust underpinned by clear and concise laws and the concept of honesty being a widely held precept. A close second would be the concept that everyone should be treated equally before the law.

In terms of the machine that created the most value, I’d count the Transistor as second and the silicone chip as third, although I’d be open to discussion on that order.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 15, 2023 12:28 pm

Sancho Panzer
Sep 15, 2023 11:39 AM
H B Bear

Sep 15, 2023 10:52 AM

Price’s speech has the luvvies in apoplexy.

Always a good indicator.

It’s a tough one.
We want to call her a redneck racist, but …

“Blackneck racist” doesn’t have quite the same resonance.

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 15, 2023 12:28 pm

Tasmanians who wear electronic monitoring devices have been directed not to turn up to polling booths come referendum day.

Instead, those wearing an electronic ankle bracelet under home detention or on parole – currently about 200 people – have been asked to lodge their vote via pre-polling or postal vote.

It’s news that has come to the chagrin of Greg Barns SC, chair of the Tasmanian Prisoners Legal Service.

He said it was “clearly a breach” of Tasmanian discrimination laws, and he was planning to lodge a complaint with Tasmania’s Anti-Discrimination Commissioner.

“This is discrimination on the basis of irrelevant criminal record, race and political activity,” he said.

Hobart Mercury. Barns is a red-hot radical who opposes almost everything except extreme leftie stances.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 15, 2023 12:31 pm

Nice Moonbattery around atm whilst I’ve been lurking. Read the Geology too masculine nonsense. LOL chicks that last in this trade are tough straight talkers or diversity picks aka most BHPB atm. Shame because some of the most capable no nonsense women I came across were of the old BHP mould.

Marcia Langton, what a bitter twisted old cat lady. However the undergrad black armband drivel she carries on with isn’t unusual for her ilk. Take a look at Gracelyn Smallwood from NQ, no difference. Gracelyn has a PhD as well that I remember an academic Cat when Sinc was running the place actually read the thesis and cast her judgement on. However JCU isn’t really top tier when it comes to Uni’s so will leave it at that.

Anyway fires running amok again in NQ, been a dry year. My lawn has kangaroo poop all over it so feed must be bad in the scrub if they are venturing into the suburbs.

About to head to the airport, heading to Sydney. 3 days on the North Shore and 3 days out Penrith way. Talk about chalk & cheese.

John H.
John H.
September 15, 2023 12:33 pm

Buccaneer
Sep 15, 2023 12:25 PM

If you mean western civilisation, as distinct from others, I would say the establishment of trust underpinned by clear and concise laws and the concept of honesty being a widely held precept. A close second would be the concept that everyone should be treated equally before the law.

The book, The Weirdest People in the World, makes a similar argument except it is not just about laws but social mores and changing populations demanding a greater degree of non-personal\non-clan trust and co-operation.

A good read.

John H.
John H.
September 15, 2023 12:35 pm

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. That’s obvious, so is the solution. Keep reading.

johanna
johanna
September 15, 2023 12:36 pm

Chinese civilisation was comparable.

johanna
johanna
September 15, 2023 12:38 pm

Also got blocking screens.

Login from the start worked to get back in.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 15, 2023 12:38 pm

The most dangerous form of transport since the Hindenburg.

The fun aspect is they put the batteries under the floor of the car. So if like that Tesla driver you hit something which fell off a truck it’s fairly likely to penetrate the battery.

The thing which will be most entertaining is what happens in cold countries like the US, who routinely salt roads in winter. Salty spray and slush from the road surface onto the battery just above it is going to be quite interesting.

Hurricane Idalia Flooding Can Cause EVs To Catch Fire Weeks After Storm (Jalopnik, 5 Sep)

For many across the United States, hurricane season brings the possibility of effectively rendering your car a total loss. The proliferation of electric vehicles has added another element of danger: Saltwater-provoked lithium-ion battery fires.

EVs have a bad enough time in subfreezing weather as it is. Add in salted roads and the vicarious entertainment will be even more vicarious!

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 15, 2023 12:40 pm

Gabor

There were very small scale nuke power sources employed in the past but those satellites were destined to travel far outside the solar system.

I might misremember?

You don’t misremember. Many satellites have been powered by thermoelectric generators running off the heat produced by the radioactive decay of plutonium.

The early Voyager satellites that have now left the solar system are powered by generators pushing out ~100W (which, everything else being equal, will continue for 1000’s of years – although any transmitted radio signal will soon be lost because of the vast distances).

More modern satellites and the various Mars rovers have a few hundred watts of electrical capacity.

Enough to power very frugal electronics. Not quite enough to vaporise steel or set up Oprah’s Maui property portfolio.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 15, 2023 12:40 pm

Libya is a completely failed country.

Brought to you by Hillary Clinton & Ben Rhodes.

Rabz
September 15, 2023 12:53 pm

Brought to you by Shrillary Clinton

“We came we saw, he died.”

Robert Sewell
September 15, 2023 12:57 pm

Buccaneer
Sep 15, 2023 12:25 PM

Robert.
I get what the bloke is saying, but it appears there is no real machine that started our civilisation because the question is too vague.
Our civilisation is the sum of many different ways of harnessing energy to get the labour surplus that enables progress.
The question is unanswerable – it’s like the answer to “Life, the Universe, and Everything.” It probably will turn out to be 42.

Interesting question “what is the thing that contributed most to starting our civilisation” but different from the original question.

If you mean western civilisation, as distinct from others, I would say the establishment of trust underpinned by clear and concise laws and the concept of honesty being a widely held precept. A close second would be the concept that everyone should be treated equally before the law.

The original question has been well and truly superseded. But it wasn’t really my viewpoint – the bloke who thought the lathe, being an engineer, thought it ws and he has a point.
Your answer certainly enters the equation even though it was a societal one and not engineering.
I guess that Hammurabi fellow has a bit to answer to as well as that Jesus chappie.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 15, 2023 1:00 pm

Sayne Wwan knows about Aboriginal people because he was downwind of them?
Or isn’t that the adjacent he means?

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
September 15, 2023 1:00 pm

John H,
Thanks, that looks like a compelling read, particularly given the incoherent SJW rant in the comments that carps on about colonisation and reparations.

I’d note that Western civilisation needed to throw off the yoke of feudalism before prosperity became somewhat universal. As Jacinta Price observed, the vast majority of the populace of coloniser countries were as opressed as the ones that were colonised.

The amount of blood spilled by the populations of coloniser countries to throw off that yoke and provide equality of opportunity for all peoples should have been compensation for most of the hardships endured.

Crossie
Crossie
September 15, 2023 1:03 pm

My wife’s grandfather had 4th form education, started as a porter at a railway station, rose to become incharge of the railway with 6000 staff. Very few today are willing to work their way up.

GrayRanga, it is impossible to work your way up if you don’t have the right paperwork in the way of degrees and diplomas. The other catch 22 is that recruiters are looking for experience but you would have to have worked in a similar position to build up experience. Of course, connections can surmount all those hurdles.

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