Open Thread – Weekend 16 Sept 2023


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Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 17, 2023 6:10 am

Good morning fellow wreckers!

The ‘one’ thing uniting ‘No’ campaign is to ‘wreck things’ (16 Sep)

The “one” thing uniting the ‘No’ campaign for the Voice is to “wreck things”, says Social Services Minister Amanda Rishworth.

Her comments come ahead of the Indigenous Voice to Parliament referendum on October 14.

She must’ve been reading up on Great Stalin. He liked to talk about wreckers, diversionists, spies and terrorists a lot. Can we get a “diversionists” please Amanda, or a “terrorists”? That would be excellent! I’ll settle for “deplorable” though, if you are feeling less generous.

calli
calli
September 17, 2023 6:25 am

The “one” thing uniting the ‘No’ campaign for the Voice is to “wreck things”, says Social Services Minister Amanda Rishworth.

What “things” is he wrecking? Labor’s plan to stitch up the Constitution to knobble future conservative governments? Those “things”? Or Labor’s plan to divide Australia along racial lines even more than it already is? That “thing”?

The “one thing” uniting the campaign for the Voice is a desire to see Australia a united country, with no single race elevated over another. A minor factor is disgust at the spectacle of fauxboriginal troughers squealing in anger and fear that their fast track to power and wealth over the backs of the deliberately disadvantaged is cut off.

Spare us your schoolgirl imprecations and crocodile tears, Amanda.

miltonf
miltonf
September 17, 2023 6:38 am

Spare us your schoolgirl imprecations and crocodile tears, Amanda.

Rishworth is more proof that political office is not open to people who have had real jobs.

Crossie
Crossie
September 17, 2023 6:53 am

“Native title” and “land Rights” could only exist if Australia was “settled” and NOT “invaded”, and the High Court has twice declared Australia “settled.”

Had Australia been “invaded” today’s Aborigines would be declared a “conquered people”, and their land rights would be abolished…

None of this matters, not even to our High Court judges. The only thing standing between their remaking of history and present are our votes, for now. The elites are hellbent on assuming the power they think is their due that consistency and accuracy are expendable in that pursuit. I am really heartened that everyday people know when something smells off and refuse to comply.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 17, 2023 6:55 am

Got home last night after a few beers & a few wines.
I don’t drink much these days & I couldn’t sleep.
So I start watching the Justified reboot.
Of all the cities to send Raylan Givens….Detroit?
Boyd Holbrook always plays a good bad guy.
But I hope it gets better otherwise the legacy of the original series will be tarnished.
I can’t imagine Olyphant or the Elmore Leonard estate needed the money.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 17, 2023 7:14 am

You too can now enjoy the Soviet era shopping experience!

Chicago Mayor Johnson Moves Toward City-Run Grocery Stores (17 Sep)

Trudeau Threatens ‘Grocery Tax’ To Combat ‘Record Profits’ (17 Sep)

Time to start up those black markets for meat, fish and other proscribed climate foods.

Crossie
Crossie
September 17, 2023 7:20 am

Rabz
Sep 16, 2023 5:39 PM
Why can’t Ozzie j’ismists talk about this continent and its peoples without weaving in their idiotic TDS?
It is indeed a mystery.
Except when it is not, which would be all the time.
Fatty Trump is not a fashionable figure, it seems – for many, many yet to be explained reasons. ?

Politicians of all stripes hate Trump because he showed them that he could do it better than them. He ran once and succeeded while they spend their whole lives trying. This could give others ideas and then where would be the political class. The more anti-Trump politicians are the more I think they envy him for making it look easy.

The secret of Trump’s success is simple, he ran on what voters wanted and didn’t discard those principles when he got there. The professional politicians of all stripes find that extremely threatening.

miltonf
miltonf
September 17, 2023 7:31 am

Yes Crossie Trump really made the polliemuppets expose themselves as the creeps they really are. Sent them into a frenzy.

Rosie
Rosie
September 17, 2023 7:36 am

I don’t advise self insuring if you have enough risk that it’s costing you 2k for insurance.
Other than the couple of countries with reciprocal agreements with Australia an accident or a serious illness overseas would be a nightmare.

bons
bons
September 17, 2023 7:44 am

The excellent air museum at Hendon has an early production model Concorde, the first I have ever been close to.
The impressions are interesting.
It is very small.
Reflective of materials engineering of the time, the entry hatch is uncomfortably small, even a little claustrophobic. Not quite as small as the Comet hatch but certainly an example of how materials have advanced since those times.
The internal fitout was more in keeping with a No. 96 bus than the ultimate in priveledged travel options.
None of which gainsays the engineering genius of the design but it is a stark lesson in how rapidly technology and our expectations have changed.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 17, 2023 7:47 am

Piers Akerman:

The increasingly shrill Yes advocates’ manifesto demands the Voice, treaty and truth, but they want to vilify and personally threaten the most courageous and honest Indigenous female representative Aborigines have.

She is Jacinta Nampijinpa Price from Alice Springs, and if you didn’t catch her powerful performance at the National Press Club on Thursday, you should watch it on YouTube before the October 14 referendum on the Voice to Parliament.

Price is not a box-ticker when it comes to Aboriginality. Yes campaigners have subjected her and fellow Indigenous No advocates Warren Mundine and Kerrynne Liddle to vile abuse because she knows what happens in the remote communities where the most disadvantaged Australians live, dictated to by tribal elders who enforce laws cloaked in superstition and semi-traditional custom.

That’s why she so easily batted off the baited question from Guardian reporter Josh Butler, who asked her about the impact of “colonisation” on Aboriginal people.

The impact had been positive, she said, adding: “Now we’ve got running water, readily available food … everything that my grandfather had when he was growing up, because he first saw white fellows in his early adolescence, we now have. Otherwise he would have had to live off the land, provide for his family.”

The Guardian, as with the ABC and Nine Media, like to portray Aboriginal Australians as the victims of European settlement, but Price knows from her experience that demanding Aborigines endure perpetual victimhood is grievously harmful.

As she pointedly but good-humouredly explained: “Aboriginal Australians, many of us have the same opportunities as all other Australians in this country, and we certainly have probably one of the brightest systems … around the world in terms of the democratic structure in comparison to other countries.

“It is why migrants come to flock to Australia, to call Australia home, because (of) the opportunity that exists for all Australians, but if we keep telling Aboriginal people that they are victims, we are effectively removing their agency and then giving them the expectation that someone was responsible for their life.

“That is the worst possible thing you can do to any human being, to tell them that they are a victim without agency and that’s what I refuse to do.”

Clearly shocked, Butler dug himself deeper, asking incredulously: “So you don’t believe there’s any negative ongoing impacts of colonisation on Indigenous Australians today? Just to confirm?”

Price replied: “No, there’s no ongoing negative impacts of colonisation. What I will say … is that particularly for my family and remote communities, again, who live very close to traditional culture, who experienced the highest rates of violence in the country, family violence, interpersonal violence, they experienced that not because of the effects of colonisation, but because it’s expected that young girls (are) married off to older husbands in arranged marriages.”

Price’s mother, Bess, a former MP in the Northern Territory assembly, now teaching in Alice Springs, was in the audience.

When I spoke to her last week, she was rounding up truants. Mother and daughter are immersed in the Alice Springs community and seeking a better outcome for the kids.

They are a long way from Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney’s Balmain home or Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s Marrickville home or his numerous investment properties, and the teals and the Greens.

But they are in a far better place to judge what’s best for Aborigines – vote No.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 17, 2023 7:58 am

Mowing the roadsides this weekend.
A ninety HP New Holland tractor carrying a seven foot twin rotor slasher.
There’s no chance whatsoever that the council will do any fire control work.
Tall thick grass making it bloody slow work, four kilometres done yesterday with three cut widths on each road edge.
Blade grinding now and topping up the gear oil.
Podcasts are a must on this job.

Dot
Dot
September 17, 2023 8:00 am

Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee says everything that needs to be said about the fallout of colonialism and assimilation.

Langton, Mayo, Pearson simply want to be the Queen or King of all First Nations Australians.

Colonel Miles was very based without being pathologically anti Native American.

PS Wolfman, review Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 17, 2023 8:05 am

The injustice of climate change set the stage for disaster in Derna
not NATO delivering democracy by the laser guided tonne.
Fossil fuels do more damage to civic infrastructure than Mark 84 low drags.
Apparently.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 8:09 am

Rosie

Sep 17, 2023 7:36 AM

I don’t advise self insuring if you have enough risk that it’s costing you 2k for insurance.

I would agree.
Our insurance for Japan cost around $500 I think, even after ticking a couple of pre-condition boxes for things we don’t really have, but a sharp claims assessor might draw a long bow if wanting to reject a claim.
I bought it online. It has extensive medical coverage and basic cancellation ($20k) and luggage and effects ($5k).
Expensive personal items and medical conditions are the premium cost drivers I think.
Oh, and if you think medivac from far flung places will cost $200k, you’re dreamin’.
I know of someone who recently paid just short of $100k for a domestic Australian medivac flight.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 8:10 am

Farmer Gez

Sep 17, 2023 7:58 AM

Mowing the roadsides this weekend.
A ninety HP New Holland tractor carrying a seven foot twin rotor slasher.

I’d use a DEW.

shatterzzz
September 17, 2023 8:11 am

I can’t imagine Olyphant or the Elmore Leonard estate needed the money.

I , actually, enjoyed it! .. and “they” didn’t send Raylon to Detroit .. he & daughter were on a driving trip & passing thru ……

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 8:13 am

Quickly on Concorde.
I think some more homework needs to be done on “moving fuel around to increase thrust”.
And as for being “overweight” are they talking MTOW or landing weight, if an emergency landing had to be attempted shortly after take-off?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 17, 2023 8:34 am

News.com is all over the place on the Voice.

For some reason, European Editor Sam Clench is given space to bag Jacinta Price:

Shameless fib at the heart of the Voice debate

A basic point at the heart of the Voice debate is somehow still in dispute. One side is being less than fully honest.

Luckily we have Fully Honest Sam setting the pace and repeating the Yes line that the Voice simply provides input to policy being made in Canbra.

Here we have the opposition’s leading spokeswoman on the issue getting up in front of the cameras and spouting conspiratorial nonsense. She implies that the government is hiding the Voice’s true purpose, that it won’t just be advisory, and in so doing she breathes life into people’s fears that it will impose radical policy changes on the rest of the country.

The Voice has, in fact, been meticulously designed to wield no such power. It can “make representations” to the parliament and that’s it. It can suggest things. Only parliament, elected by the country and accountable to it, can act on those suggestions.

Oddly enough, the Referendum wording gives the Voice the power to “make representations to Parliament and the Executive”.

Parliament makes policy and turns it into legislation – the Executive implements it. If you were a curious soul, you’d have to wonder what giving power to the Voice to make representations to the Executive actually means.

Perhaps the High Court will tell us.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 17, 2023 8:38 am

A basic point at the heart of the Voice debate is somehow still in dispute. One side is being less than fully honest.

We noticed…

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 17, 2023 8:41 am

Labor’s plan to stitch up the Constitution to knobble future conservative governments? Those “things”?

I don’t normally subscribe to conspiracy theories, but I just see the “Voice” as being the means of rendering Australia ungovernable, if the peasants ever elect another Liberal Government.

Indolent
Indolent
September 17, 2023 8:48 am
Indolent
Indolent
September 17, 2023 8:51 am
Makka
Makka
September 17, 2023 8:51 am

I just see the “Voice” as being the means of rendering Australia ungovernable,

The Voice is many things. A political weapon to be used if the wrong party is in power, as you say. It’s also a massive future fund once reparations are agreed. Which will attract hordes more parasites to glom on to the perpetual Indidge Industry. No wonder the left are so in love with such a bountiful prospect.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 17, 2023 8:52 am

For Military cats – Today marks the anniversary of the commencement of Operation “Market Garden” and the battle for Arnhem – a rotten plan, but one that nearly succeeded.

I’ve heard it said that one of the worst mistakes the Germans made during World War Two was to win the battle for Arnhem, allowing the Soviets to capture Berlin.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 17, 2023 8:55 am

BB your comment with Piers Ackerman on Jacinta Price is good but I think he got a couple of things wrong. Jacinta speaks for me too, an old white guy. She is not talking politics just common sense. He mentioned Luigi and Burney being a long way from the remote problems. Distance has nothing to do with it. Wilful disregard of problems for self indulgent grifting is the order of the day or in Aboriginal affairs, decades.

Indolent
Indolent
September 17, 2023 8:55 am
Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 17, 2023 8:56 am

Mowing the roadsides this weekend.
A ninety HP New Holland tractor carrying a seven foot twin rotor slasher.

I’d use a DEW.

It would also get rid of roadside rubbish and Greg and Cheryl (Ch17) parked up overnight in the Round Australia 95kph Winnebago.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 17, 2023 8:56 am

Connected to our political class despising Trump because he showed them up for the insects they are, is the loathing of our j’ismists.

Trump not only reveals the dark, foetid, underground nest where the unworthy plot the unthinkable to inflict on the unprotected to satisfy the unslakable, but he also made j’ismists look stupid.

Remember that one of the key factors in Trump’s rise was his speaking past the media and directly to the voters. The public got to see Trump for themselves, not the clumsily deconstructed and blandly painted version – with a few cartoon speech bubbles with enough keywords to make clear that people are expected to hate him.

A political aspirant speaking directly to voters without a j’ismists as intermediary explaining each side to the other as the j’ismists expertise (and prejudices) seemed illegitimate.

And a threat.

The only thing to do was and is to affect a highly detached condescension to try to squish the embarrassing little bug – and hope people believe it.

Indolent
Indolent
September 17, 2023 8:59 am

He should feel right at home in the U.S.

Zelensky political rival charged with treason

Cassie of Sydney
September 17, 2023 9:00 am

“They are a long way from Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney’s Balmain home”

LOL….Burney’s home is a long way from Burney’s electorate.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 17, 2023 9:03 am

Tits Shorten on radio grab just now.
“What do we lose as a nation if we vote no?”
I wouldn’t thought a great deal. FMD

Indolent
Indolent
September 17, 2023 9:05 am
H B Bear
H B Bear
September 17, 2023 9:06 am

Love this WIP
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Cliff Boof
Cliff Boof
September 17, 2023 9:06 am

“Quickly on Concorde.
I think some more homework needs to be done on “moving fuel around to increase thrust”.
The centre of lift moves further aft at increased supersonic speeds so you need more UP elevon to maintain level flight causing trim drag which is inefficient fuel consumption-wise. By pumping fuel aft you reduce the strength of the Lift/Weight couple so you don’t need as much UP elevon.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 17, 2023 9:06 am

I wouldn’t thought a great deal. FMD

For shame, don’t you care that Aboriginal hearts will be broken if a brutal, uncaring Australia votes “NO?” Naah, me neither.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 17, 2023 9:06 am

Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee.

Best scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVqQosyOpg4

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 17, 2023 9:07 am

Tits Shorten on radio grab just now.
“What do we lose as a nation if we vote no?”

Hopefully, Uncle Luigi.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 17, 2023 9:09 am

A basic point at the heart of the Voice debate is somehow still in dispute. One side is being less than fully honest.

It is funny – he is being dishonest in talking about dishonesty.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 17, 2023 9:19 am

Black Ball
Sep 17, 2023 9:03 AM
Tits Shorten on radio grab just now.
“What do we lose as a nation if we vote no?”
I wouldn’t thought a great deal. FMD

Hopefully, a very large number of one-sixteenth and less pseudo-indigenous parasites and French letters on the prick of progress.

Many years ago, I was listening to Phatty Adams interview an actual aborigine. He asked the guest what would happen if aborigines suddenly ceased to exist. The response was on the lines of “A million whities would immediately lose their sinecures.”

One of the few useful and accurate things ever said on the “little radio show”.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 17, 2023 9:25 am

Rosie Sep 17, 2023 7:36 AM
I don’t advise self insuring if you have enough risk that it’s costing you 2k for insurance.

I’m a big fan of self insuring. Never had contents and I suspect I was probably uninsured for most of the time I ran my car. Always got some cheap travel insurance for anything overseas. The reason old people can’t get insurance is they are bad risks. My sister’s MIL is running hard into the problem in her 80s. I think she is married to some guy plugged into the Red Tulip estate and spends half the year out the country from what I can tell. That is about to end. Most companies won’t touch people without insurance.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 17, 2023 9:29 am

Hopefully, Uncle Luigi.

Tits’ words was in a broader discussion about whether Albo will be removed if the referendum is defeated. Not at all will he be gone sez Shorten.
He’s sharpening the knives as we speak.

JC
JC
September 17, 2023 9:32 am

AP is now funded by left wing foundations.

Get a load of the “reporting”.

The Hard Right enters the language.

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Republican Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton was fully acquitted Saturday of corruption charges in a historic impeachment trial, a resounding verdict that reaffirms the power of the GOP’s hard right and puts an indicted incumbent who remains under FBI investigation back into office.

The outcome demonstrated Paxton’s lasting durability in America’s biggest red state after years of criminal charges and scandal. And more broadly, it delivered a signature victory for the Texas GOP’s ascendent conservative wing, following an impeachment that gave a rare window into divisions among Republicans nationally heading into 2024.

bons
bons
September 17, 2023 9:35 am

It must be fat fingers. When I uptick it records two.
My latest effort for Boambee recorded three.
Don’t go getting a big head now.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 17, 2023 9:36 am

Not sure you can do that now with cars today – the economics of writing them off seems to have changed completely. My support worker was involved in a crash and is getting around in another 3yo insurance write off. A mate got a new BMW road bike when the old one literally fell over and smashed the fibreglass. Ironically he can’t ride the new one because he can’t get comprehensive insurance in London because of bike theft.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 17, 2023 9:37 am

Tits’ words was in a broader discussion about whether Albo will be removed if the referendum is defeated. Not at all will he be gone sez Shorten.
He’s sharpening the knives as we speak.

A declaration of fealty from Goblin Shorten will be a great comfort to Australia’s Overseas Representative.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 17, 2023 9:39 am

Not at all will he [Albo] be gone sez Shorten.

I’m sure he has Peanut Head and Plibbers full support.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 17, 2023 9:44 am

JC – sounds like AP has as much faith in the US “justice system” as I do. None.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 9:49 am

The Voice has, in fact, been meticulously designed to wield no such power. It can “make representations” to the parliament and that’s it.

So just make your representations then, as anyone else can.
Assuming that is all there is to it, that is.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 9:52 am

Cliff Boof.
I am aware of the CoG changes by shifting fuel forward or aft.
I was picking up on the simplistic phrase “increasing thrust by pumping fuel around”.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
September 17, 2023 9:52 am

“A good government was losing its way…”

Tom
Tom
September 17, 2023 9:55 am

AP is now funded by left wing foundations.

It’s not a joke and it should have killed the credibility of news organisations like Associated Press stone dead:

Associated Press Coverage of Courts, Climate Bankrolled by Dozens of Left-Wing Foundations

In other words, “news coverage” is being bought and paid for by activist groups with a vested interest in how issues are covered.

What’s astonishing is that AP management thought no-one would notice if it took bribes from activists to give nominated groups favourable coverage.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 17, 2023 9:56 am

In Circular Flow news:

Australia’s government would be collecting $70 billion a year in revenue if the emissions trading scheme was still in place, economist Ross Garnaut says.

“That’s not a tiny bit of money,” Professor Garnaut said.

“We could pay for the nuclear submarines with five or six years of the carbon price. One year would pay for more than two years of Medicare.

“We could cut every personal tax rate by 30 per cent from the highest to the lowest.

The ETS windfall would obviously be free money, coming from hollow logs and filthy foreigners at no cost to the Australian economy.

Professor Ross Garnaut, a Professorial Research Fellow in Economics at the University of Melbourne, is one of Australia’s most respected economists.

The Double: an Expert and a Top Man.

Bar Beach Swimmer
September 17, 2023 9:57 am

Indolent @ 8:55am

Just because it’s a cavity doesn’t mean it’s a classic vagina,” Acharian explains, admitting his lack of knowledge about transgender patients. The doctor claims that this person was the first transgender woman he had seen in his thirty years of practice.

Transgenders seeking gynaecological treatment suggests one of two things. Either their mental state is such that they really are delusional. Or, the surgical intervention and its preop preparation stuff has set these people up to actually think that what they’re getting is real female anatomy and not a clumsy construct.

Of course, turning up at a gynaecologist’s rooms, like forcing your way into a female-only change room or a women’s refuge simply maybe a power play – the, you will accept me tripe, that goes with the trans ideology. Whatever it is, these people are getting way too much attention from the media and from everyone else.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 17, 2023 9:59 am

I don’t advise self insuring if you have enough risk that it’s costing you 2k for insurance.

That’s been my argument to Hairy so far, Rosie, it just has to be included in the cost of travelling, but I gave way on Malaysia and the Cook Islands to his arguments that we’d just pay up to stabilise and fly home from there. It’s the principle that he wishes the endorse, he’s not worried about the cost of insurance, except that it is outrageous that you can’t just insure for medical, at our ages they make you take comprehensive cover.

Fundamentally, he believes he is invincible, which many men do. For Hairy, that’s in spite of prostate cancer, multiple DVT’s, heart stents, high BP, and being 71. Gotta love him though. Controlled moderate high Blood Pressure and being 81 are my only travel insurance sins.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 17, 2023 10:00 am

Sam Clench is an absolute flyweight with an oversized ego. If I see his name at the top of an article I generally don’t make it past the headline.

Speaking of media scares. Heatwave today at 30deg on Sydney coast. WTF, BOM is doing istself no favours with this sort of scaremongering.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 17, 2023 10:01 am

Obviously they have moved on from MMT now that interest rates are on the move.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 17, 2023 10:02 am

We don’t really care if we lose luggage, apart from the inconvenience, so why insure it? It’s a good excuse to buy some new things overseas. 🙂

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 17, 2023 10:05 am

Just because it’s a cavity doesn’t mean it’s a classic vagina,”

Damn right. Gotta double check the ol’ wizards sleeve.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 17, 2023 10:07 am

surgical intervention and its preop preparation stuff has set these people up to actually think that what they’re getting is real female anatomy and not a clumsy construct.

They’d be better off seeking advice and treatment from a men’s urologist, because they would still have a basically male urinary system, and the rest would be similar to men who have been severely injured in that department between men’s legs.

They do not have a female urethral channel, nor a vagina. Perplexing stuff for a gynaecologist I should think.

Rabz
September 17, 2023 10:15 am

Perfesser Dross Garnaut, a Perfesserial Research Wally in Economics at the University of Melbourne, is one of Australia’s most respected economists.

No, he is not. Wrong about everything, all the time. Again.

CL has a new post about another legendary “economist”, the Krugtron.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 17, 2023 10:19 am

25 minutes ago
Treaties ‘more likely’ if voice vote fails
Rosie Lewis
Rosie Lewis

Leading No campaigner Warren Mundine says treaties are more likely to occur in Australia if the voice referendum is voted down on October 14.

A key criticism of the voice from the No camp has been that it will lead to treaties, because the Uluru Statement from the Heart asks for voice, treaty and truth and many prominent supporters say a voice is needed to oversee the treaty process.

Mr Mundine said he supported treaties because they would resolve sovereignty issues and protect Aboriginal culture and heritage.

He believed a voice advisory body would add another level of bureaucracy and slow down the treaty process.

Asked if Australia was more likely to get treaties if people voted No at the referendum, he told the ABC’s Insiders program: “Yeah. Because on the 15th of October, if it is a No vote, that’s when the real work starts.

“As Jacinta said, the senator, she said we have to have accountability. We are spending billions of dollars every year and according to the Closing the Gap we are still not going places. We have to deal with that.

“I have serious problems if it is a Yes vote because these people are looking at putting on top of the First Nations native title and land rights stuff, another body of bureaucracy. We don’t need another body of bureaucracy, we need to recognise those traditional owners.”

Any “treaty” will lead to a legal dogfight as to who is, and who isn’t, Aboriginal. Bring it on, sez I

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
September 17, 2023 10:19 am

Uh oh, just heard a Warren Mundine soundbite on 4BC. He is calling for treaty with the Aboriginal people. No further details and can’t see anything on Daily Telegraph or HS.

Which raises the question who would the Federal Government negotiate a treaty with. I have seen mention of 250 to 500 “nations”.

I will say some of the Aboriginals on the No side are because they know won’t be on the Voice and they want their own power and sovereignty over their own lands.

Rabz
September 17, 2023 10:20 am

Speaking of media scares. Heatwave today at 30deg on Sydney coast. WTF, BOM is doing itself no favours with this sort of scaremongering.

The weather app on my phone is always wrong – it will get the general state of the weather correct, but the temperature predictions are always higher than what eventuates, for example it was out yesterday by three degrees.

I’m just glad to be able to bum around at home in shorts and a t-shirt. Looxury.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
September 17, 2023 10:21 am

Should have read the post above mine !

Zulu is always ahead of the game.

Cassie of Sydney
September 17, 2023 10:22 am

“Bar Beach Swimmer
Sep 17, 2023 9:57 AM”

Yep…..good to see ya BBS.

“Just because it’s a cavity doesn’t mean it’s a classic vagina,””

Firstly, there’s no such thing as a “classic” vagina. There’s simply a “vagina”. No vagina can be created or replicated, it is something a biological female is born with, the code for this vagina is ordained at conception. It’s the same with the male penis.

I’m pretty sure most males here, given the choice of either a pervert’s cavity or a female’s vagina, would know which one they’d prefer to put their erect penis into and which one would provide them with the real pleasure. It won’t be the cavity or the hole.

In related news, Kellie-Jay Keen has cancelled her Auckland visit due to safety concerns. We all saw what happened in March, …remember how our very own pervert apologist here thought the violence that ensued in that Auckland park it was hysterically funny, and he supported the violence? Anyway, it’s becoming clear, very clear, that the politicised NZ police deliberately stood back and allowed the violence, not that you’ll read about it in the MSM. The Auckland police senior comment knew there was going to be violence, and they stood back and did nothing.

There’ll be an election next month in NZ which the Nationals are expected to win. Will they confront any of this cultural Marxism? Probably not, like most right of centre parties, they’ll just sit back and do sweet f*ck all. Until right of centre parties, if and when they gain power, put on boxing gloves and start punching back against woke progressivism, they’re not worth voting for.

You see, it isn’t the economy anymore, stupid.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 17, 2023 10:24 am

Indolent @ 8.55

A wonderful link from a very determined gentleman gynaecologist firmly protecting his patch. It read so beautifully in the original French. I’ve tried but I can’t copy it in here.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 17, 2023 10:26 am

Firstly, there’s no such thing as a “classic” vagina. There’s simply a “vagina”.

We might open this one to the floor. * runs *

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 17, 2023 10:33 am

Which raises the question who would the Federal Government negotiate a treaty with. I have seen mention of 250 to 500 “nations”.

Warren Mundine was, at one stage, in favor of a “Treaty” with each of the “First Nations.” Given that some of those “First Nations” contain clans that can’t even agree on what day of the week it is, I should imagine that the next demand will be for a separate treaty with each of those clans.

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 17, 2023 10:37 am

If you go to the MONA art museum in Hobart – and I recommend you don’t, as all of the “art” is rubbish – they have a piece which is 90 or so vaginas on display.

Bar Beach Swimmer
September 17, 2023 10:39 am

Thanks, Cassie.

I remember reading an interview of Quentin Crisp who made the point that the blokes that homosexuals would be interested in are not interested in them.

People thinking that it’s a smart move to become transgender to attract the person of their dreams, should think again. It’s more miss that hit.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 17, 2023 10:42 am

Appeal to Oz uizmasters-
16 The names of which three continents are derived from ancient Greek?
Two points of contention-
-Africa, helloooo
-Ancient Greek is as near to dammit as Modern Greek

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 17, 2023 10:44 am

they have a piece which is 90 or so vaginas on display.
As long as I don’t have to cop the pale saggy arses on display for the midwinter Loonie Dunk, I’d tolerate it.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 17, 2023 10:45 am

Zulu

The negotiations with “First Nations” and their miscellaneous clans can be simple.

The protagonists of the InVoice stated clearly that Australia was invaded, not settled. This admission removes the justification for Native Title, and the fact of current government systems proves that the “First Nations” were defeated comprehensively. Our terms are (quick thoughts, not comprehensive):

You are all accepted as full citizens of modern Australia;

Those of you who wish to live a traditional lifestyle are free to do so, using only traditional methods and implements;

All others are invited to adopt a modern lifestyle, as full citizens of Australia;

You are all free to visit your traditional homelands for leisure, but must respect the property rights on owners or lessees of the land;

All reasonable efforts will be made to preserve and protect indigenous artefacts from pre-invasion times.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 17, 2023 10:47 am

of owners …

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 17, 2023 10:50 am

The negotiations with “First Nations” and their miscellaneous clans can be simple.

Well said!

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 17, 2023 10:51 am

Verdict on Taronga Zoo. Was an ok day. Beatiful weather & location. Didn’t recognise the place wit all the changes.

Downsides all the shows were very preachy, stuff like the seals actually jumping and balancing were too light on. Was so over the reconition of the “didyabringyourgrogalong” tribe that was everywhere. A lot of space wasted too for a small area. Tiger enclosure coild have less Indonesian paraphanalia & more veiwing space. Bloody gorillas sat there with backs to everyone.

Still was a good day out till the little ones got bored.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 17, 2023 10:51 am

“We don’t need another body of bureaucracy, we need to recognise those traditional owners.”
The Penetrated Cabinets of every bureaucracy, committee and quorum in this blighted land of qvislings has been balls-in for Acknowledgement Of Overlords for a decade now.
WA ACH Act was “recognising”- read, weaponising- “traditional owners”- read Land Corporations. It should have burnt the pen-pushers’ fingers, and spanked their *rses too. Wake up, read the papers and smell the covfefe, Mundine.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
September 17, 2023 10:52 am

Good heavens I have just read Gerard Henderson’s takedown of former Royal Commission chair in his Media Watch Dog column — man oh man what a tour de force —

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 17, 2023 10:53 am

All reasonable efforts will be made to preserve and protect indigenous artefacts from pre-invasion times.

Gonna be a bit hard.

They didn’t build roads, buildings, bridges…or anything really.

Delta A
Delta A
September 17, 2023 10:57 am

The Voice has, in fact, been meticulously designed to wield no such power. It can “make representations” to the parliament and that’s it.

In the last budget, the allocation to Indigenous Affairs increased by over $1 billion to total $4.2 billion. Linda Burney, an indigenous woman, is Federal Minister for Indigenous Australians. For the last two years, she has had the power to effect real change, to audit the thousands of aboriginal agencies which account for a further $30 billion of (mostly) federal funding and to ensure that money is redirected from the ‘big men’ to those who truly need it.

Under her control – her authoritative voice – absolutely nothing has changed.

As Jacinta Nampijinpa Price has stated frequently, we don’t need a voice, we need accountability.

Bill P
Bill P
September 17, 2023 11:02 am

It’s no crime to be in love with a beautiful craft, Bill
It’s not a matter of being in love with it.
I just think that calling it a “flying bomb” is stupid. Based on lack of knowledge of the subject.
The thing flew for 27+ years without a crash.
The chain of events causing the crash does not include Concorde was a “flying bomb”.
If you want to look at a failure in design, check out Concordski – TU-144
Russkis crashed one at Paris airshow.
How many 747s have gone down without being caused by a design flaw?

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
September 17, 2023 11:03 am

I don’t normally subscribe to conspiracy theories, but I just see the “Voice” as being the means of rendering Australia ungovernable, if the peasants ever elect another Liberal Government.

I absolutely agree – the entire idea and its Yes campaign is a tax-payer funded coup by the Labor government to ensure that no future Coalition government could ever govern effectively.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 17, 2023 11:03 am

This would make you raring to join up!

Ukrainian conscription officer reveals huge casualty rate

Only 10-20% of those drafted in Poltava Region last fall are still fighting against Russia, Vitaly Berezhny was quoted as saying

Up to nine out of ten Ukrainian army draftees who joined in the last year have been either killed or wounded in action, a senior conscription officer in the country’s Poltava Region said on Friday, according to local media.

Speaking at a meeting of Poltava City Council, Lt. Colonel Vitaly Berezhny, who serves as acting head of the of the local recruitment and social support center, admitted that local authorities are struggling with their conscription campaign, having fulfilled only 13% of their conscription quota, placing them last in the region.

Berezhny was quoted by local media outlet Poltavshina as saying the military urgently needs reinforcements, as “out of 100 people who joined the units last fall, 10-20 remain, the rest are dead, wounded or disabled.”

To remedy the manpower shortage, the officer suggested rolling out draft notification posts in a bid to “establish the presence of conscripts.” He added that the region was also planning to create a large mechanized brigade, and urged local deputies to assist in the effort.

Ukraine announced a general mobilization shortly after the start of Russia’s military campaign in February 2022, banning most men aged 18 to 60 from leaving the country. In August, former Ukrainian Defense Minister Alexey Reznikov said Kiev had not yet fulfilled its existing mobilization plan, suggesting there was no need for another draft drive.

However, earlier this month, Ukraine’s Defense Ministry issued a decree allowing the conscription of people with such severe conditions as hepatitis, HIV without symptoms, and clinically treated tuberculosis.

At the same time, Ukrainian authorities embarked on a massive campaign against corruption in the country’s conscription system, with President Vladimir Zelensky recently firing all regional military conscription officials.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 11:05 am

I’m a big fan of self insuring. Never had contents and I suspect I was probably uninsured for most of the time I ran my car. Always got some cheap travel insurance for anything overseas.

I am more a “disaster insurance” type.
Will insure for the catastrophe with high excess. But always take the travel insurance for medical, particularly in the US.
An uninsured two week hospitalisation involving specialists = second mortgage.

Bar Beach Swimmer
September 17, 2023 11:06 am

On the argument that the purview of the voice will have no ability to make the parliament or the executive bend to its will.

Thinking about the trans-surgery industry for a moment, it seems that when someone intimates an interest in going down that path or, more often than not when a mentally fragile person is referred to a clinic for psychological treatment, the speed of the go to whoa is alarmingly quick, according to testimony from some young recipients of these treatments, There’s no tension between remaining whole in the body you were born with and the decision to allow a doctors to shred your skin. Essentially, it’s a sausage making exercise with bureaucrats controlling and processing its inputs and outputs.

This, I see, will be the same process should the voice get up. Bureaucrats with their own in and out boxes will sign off because to do otherwise will increase their workload – just deal with it will be the managing principle. It will become purely a functionary arm of the public service with politicians just wanting everything off the front page.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 17, 2023 11:11 am

Top Ender
Sep 17, 2023 10:53 AM
All reasonable efforts will be made to preserve and protect indigenous artefacts from pre-invasion times.

Gonna be a bit hard.

They didn’t build roads, buildings, bridges…or anything really.

I had in mind the Bradshaw paintings and artefacts like Mungo Man.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 17, 2023 11:11 am

Quote of the day, and possibly the year:

it’s a classic vagina

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 17, 2023 11:12 am

You are all free to visit your traditional homelands for leisure, but must respect the property rights on owners or lessees of the land;

Like my father and grandfather before me, I had a working arrangement with the local indigenous. They were welcome to come out and shoot a couple of saltbush fed kangaroos to take home and eat, provided they “checked at the house” first, all rifles licensed, and “leave all gates as you find them.”

I did detect one mob of the “youngfelleas” on the place, without asking – when asked their business, they replied that “they didn’t have to ask permission to be on Aboriginal Land.”

Robert Sewell
September 17, 2023 11:12 am

Black Ball

Sep 16, 2023 2:50 PM
It’s 26 pages long lol. I can email it to you if DoverLord can forward your email to me?

Just got to your off, BB. Yes please.
I’ll send a message to DB.

bons
bons
September 17, 2023 11:13 am

I had to look.
What possible background could have produced the arrogant incompetence displayed by Burney.
And, there it was.
School teacher!
Chalk and slease.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 17, 2023 11:17 am

Berezhny was quoted by local media outlet Poltavshina as saying the military urgently needs reinforcements, as “out of 100 people who joined the units last fall, 10-20 remain, the rest are dead, wounded or disabled.”

A typical low numbered First AIF infantry battalion, about 1100 men (including first reinforcements), enlisted in late 1914, first went into action on 25 April 1915, last in action in early October 1918, turned over around 8000 to 9000 men, and lost 1200 to 1300 dead.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 17, 2023 11:28 am

What possible background could have produced the arrogant incompetence displayed by Burney.

Wasn’t there a schoolteacher who used to post here?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 17, 2023 11:36 am

Robert Sewell
Sep 17, 2023 11:12 AM

Black Ball

Sep 16, 2023 2:50 PM
It’s 26 pages long lol. I can email it to you if DoverLord can forward your email to me?

Just got to your off, BB. Yes please.
I’ll send a message to DB.

Robert,

you can read it here

https://www.skynews.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Credlin-Editorial-PDF-2.pdf

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 17, 2023 11:40 am

Voice referendum: Pro-‘Yes’ vote MPs called out over one small detail in a photo with the PM: ‘I thought it wasn’t about that?’

. MP’s called out after hidden detail in photo with PM is exposed
. A ‘Yes’ campaign brochure had word ‘treaty’ printed on the front

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 17, 2023 11:40 am

TikTok users shocked as Kalgoorlie man enjoys pint of beer while wild storm batters WA
PerthNow
September 17, 2023 12:51AM

A video of a man enjoying a beer outside a Kalgoorlie pub during a storm that uprooted trees and damaged homes has gone viral, with social media users admitting they are mesmerized by his “fair dinkum” Aussie spirit.

The video, posted to TikTok by user vzmith, shows a man sitting outside The Rec Hotel in Boulder with a pint of beer appearing unphased as extreme winds batter the front of the premises.

Anyone heard from Pedro lately?

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 17, 2023 11:42 am

Off to Chinamans Beach. Awesome Sydney day…

Then bbq with harbour view.

Have a great day all.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 17, 2023 11:44 am

I am more a “disaster insurance” type.
Will insure for the catastrophe with high excess.

That is very much along the lines of the Taleb approach. Ride the bumps but beware of anything that will wipe you out. Can be hard to do in practice.

calli
calli
September 17, 2023 11:44 am

Just because it’s a cavity doesn’t mean it’s a classic vagina,”

Well, that poses the question, “what’s the alternative to the classic?”

A fake vagina, of course. Or…the EV version.

Makka
Makka
September 17, 2023 11:45 am

Did the USN employ the Bud Lite marketing guru for this one?

Navy Detransitions From ‘Digital Recruiting Program’ Featuring Drag Queen

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/navy-detransitions-digital-recruiting-program-featuring-drag-queen

shatterzzz
September 17, 2023 11:46 am

Building a micro blox TITANIC (350 pieces & 9cms long) .. majority of the pieces are so small you’ve got to pick ’em & place ’em with tweezers .. Great fun with OAP (75) eyesight .. dropped one piece on the ground .. took me an hour to find the bloody thing .. tho the area around the outside patio table is now spotless, swept & sifted .. now taking a eye ease coffee break at around the half way mark …
Beware! ……. pix will be available ………..!

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 17, 2023 11:46 am

We might open this one to the floor.

It appears bio hole is the hot new term used by the
mutilated and their allies when referring to the classic vagina.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 17, 2023 11:46 am

Inconvenient Truths by Jennifer Zeng ????
@jenniferzeng97

A #Chinese #military channel claims that if #Japan dares to intervene in the #CCP’s ‘liberation’ of #Taiwan, the CCP will abandon its prior commitment of refraining from initiating the use of #nuclearweapons.

They argue that this is an outdated promise.

Instead, the CCP threatens to launch continuous nuclear attacks on Japan until it surrenders unconditionally.

While these threats may lack military rationale, they shed light on the CCP’s mindset.
#China #Chinanews #ChinaStory #CCPChina

shatterzzz
September 17, 2023 11:54 am

Read a clever conundrum on another blog .. along the lines of …..

If 251s have no say in gummint how did they manage to score a referendum when the majority of the vote-herd never get the opportunity to change anything when we want something specially tailored to suit us ……

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 17, 2023 11:55 am

It’s not just the ‘Remainers’ whingeing – Britain really is broken

Post-Brexit gloom has spread from the Remainers to the Tory tribe. Some hope Britain can respond with pragmatism, but this pessimism could breed paralysis.

Hans van LeeuwenEurope correspondent

London | As a foreign correspondent, when I meet or hear from readers, there’s typically always one question that comes up time and again. A few years ago, it was always: “What’s happening with Brexit?” More recently, it was: “What’s going to happen in Ukraine?” Now, it’s most commonly: “Is Britain broken?”

It certainly feels that way. Just as kids were starting the new school year, it turned out that 147 schools were made with shonky concrete that could collapse at any moment. Thousands of pupils were unable to enter their classrooms.

That same week, we learned that there are a record 7.7 million people on waiting lists for hospital treatment, including 390,000 who have been waiting more than a year.

My septuagenarian father-in-law has twice this year shown up at the hospital for a surgical procedure he’d been booked in for many months earlier, only to be turned away at the door.

Meanwhile the GP system is, by universal acclaim, dysfunctional.

A prisoner serving time for terrorism offences escaped from a London jail this month by clinging on to the underside of a van. It turned out that about one-third of that prison’s staff were absent that day. The number of frontline staff in British jails has dropped 10 per cent since 2010.

The list goes on. The government recently announced it was delaying, for the fifth time, the introduction of post-Brexit border checks on goods entering from the European Union. The supposedly sclerotic EU had their checks on British imports in place 2½ years ago.

Pothole repairs are at their lowest level in five years. Britain’s biggest municipal council, Birmingham, went bust a few weeks ago. The backlog in processing asylum claims is so great that would-be migrants are being housed on barges.

The air traffic control system went down for a more than a day on the back of a single error. Shoplifting is at epidemic proportions.

The train system is beset by strikes, and ambitions for a major new high-speed line are watered down again and again, while the costs blow out. The water companies are discharging raw effluent into seas and rivers. The flagship offshore wind industry seems to be running out of puff.

In recent opinion polls, 58 per cent of respondents agreed that “Britain is broken”, and 76 per cent said it was becoming an appreciably worse place to live.

Infectious gloom

Britons, notoriously, love a good moan. Complaints about things getting worse are often made with an almost delighted relish. The sense that the country is in long-term decline, ever since the end of empire, is an almost unshakeable item of faith.

So it’s not surprising that confirmation bias abounds. Choosing from the menu above, every gloomy Briton is an assiduous compiler of their own catalogue of woe.

There has been a recent shift, though. In the early years after the Brexit referendum in mid-2016, the most enthusiastic doomsayers were “Remainers” – people who had voted to stay in the EU, and subsequently seized upon any and every shred of evidence which might suggest that Brexit had been a calamitous mistake.

Former prime minister Boris Johnson, the most ardent of “Leavers”, waged a relentless one-man war against these “doomsters and gloomsters”, as he often called them. His argument was that Brexit was a great opportunity for Britain’s rejuvenation, if only the British people were up for embracing it.

With his departure, though, this buccaneering Brexiteer bravado has all but evaporated. Now, it’s the right-wing press in which you’ll find some of the gloomiest inventories of everything that’s wrong with Britain.

“Britain is in a state of distress more profound than our leaders are capable of addressing,” says one recent headline in the Tories’ in-house newspaper The Daily Telegraph. “Labour and the Tories have joined forces to condemn Britain to national failure,” reads another. “Britain isn’t in managed decline: the country is about to fall off a cliff.” On it goes.

My hunch is that the gloom now gripping the British right probably stems from the widespread expectation that the Conservatives will lose government next year. They have little to show for 13 years in power, and now they face a spell under Labour. For a Tory, that is pretty depressing.

But the left has precious little cause for levity either. Infrastructure is run down, and public services are struggling, but taxes are already at a record high and government borrowing is maxed out and costly.

That leaves Labour with little ability to drive a new political or economic agenda.

What’s more, there is also little will: the public is concerned with the soaring cost of living, not seized with a desire to embrace any new progressive vision or policies.

The aftershocks of Britain’s big Brexit rupture, magnified by the COVID-19 pandemic and the Ukraine war, are only just beginning to settle. Some commentators hope that this will restore Britain’s lost sense of proportion and pragmatism. Let’s hope so, because the alternative is a potential descent into pessimism and paralysis.

eric hinton
eric hinton
September 17, 2023 11:59 am

bons
Sep 17, 2023 9:35 AM
It must be fat fingers. When I uptick it records two.
My latest effort for Boambee recorded three.

My PB is 7. 3 to 10. It was on the old ticketing regime but.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 17, 2023 12:00 pm

Greens are dumb as rocks news.

‘We’ve learnt that pressure works’: Greens vows to continue fight for rent freeze after deal with Labor over landmark housing bill (Sky News, 17 Sep)

Adam Bandt has declared the “fight will continue” to cap and freeze rents in Australia after the Greens agreed to support the Albanese government’s $10 billion housing bill following months of bitter debate.

Mr Bandt and housing spokesperson Max Chandler-Mather announced last week the party would support the Housing Australia Future Fund after securing an extra $1 billion for new social housing.

However, the Greens were unsuccessful in negotiating a rent freeze.

This is why Greens are dumb as rocks:

Rent Control Is The Wrong Solution For Housing Affordability (16 Sep)

Rent control is not the solution to the lack of affordable housing; it creates more problems than it solves. The best way to reduce housing costs would be to increase the housing supply; sadly, rent control works against this.

The lady who wrote the latter article is from the Caribbean, and who moved to the US back when it was the land of hope and glory. And worked hard. If she can see how stupid rent controls are then you really have to wonder about edumacated Gaia-luvvin’ peoples like Bandit.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 17, 2023 12:01 pm

Speaking of media scares. Heatwave today at 30deg on Sydney coast. WTF, BOM is doing itself no favours with this sort of scaremongering.

Their BOM quivering with antici… pation.

Potential El Niño inching closer, but the Bureau of Meteorology is not ready to declare it yet

Climate scientists say they have “never seen anything” like this year’s emerging El Niño, as the major climatic event inches closer to development.

Particularly exciting this year, because CSIRO scientists have finally sheeted home changes in the ENSO to manmade CO2 courtesy of 40 models (count them, 40) which all, with startlingly accurate statistical consistency, accurately model average global temperature back over the past 120 years.

Stand by for Gibbon-shrieking in two weeks.

Technical Note: I’m by no means an Expert or Top Man, but I’m here to say that any collection of models – that accurately back-fit historical data of one parameter of a complex system, but inconsistently forward model the same parameter – are rigged.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 12:02 pm

Infectious gloom

Britons, notoriously, love a good moan. Complaints about things getting worse are often made with an almost delighted relish.

Amen to that, bro.
We see it here daily.

The sense that the country is in long-term decline, ever since the end of empire, is an almost unshakeable item of faith.

And they take that with them wherever they go.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 17, 2023 12:04 pm

Well, that poses the question, “what’s the alternative to the classic?”

I feel that one may draw a parallel here to Coke. From time immemorial, there was just Coke. Then, varieties of Coke began to appear, insidiously, like geckos on a verandah eave. Ultimately, though, the marketers realised that there was no substitute for actual Coke, which was rebranded ‘Classic Coke’.

Thus, the wheel turns full circle.

We are about two thirds of the way through the following process:

Vagina
Diet Vagina
Vanilla Vagina
Vagina Cherry
New Vagina
Vagina Zero
Vagina Lime
Frozen Vagina
Classic Vagina

There’s a thesis in there somewhere.

Vicki
Vicki
September 17, 2023 12:04 pm

The aftershocks of Britain’s big Brexit rupture, magnified by the COVID-19 pandemic and the Ukraine war, are only just beginning to settle.

We will need future historians to decide whether the western decline (in general) began a long time before the recent calamities. However, I remain convinced that the social dislocation and economic distress caused by the policies inflicted following the outbreak of Covid were the stressors that tipped the balance.

I am extremely pessimistic about whether the process can be reversed. Maybe the cataclysmic effect of a global depression and/or a major war would be the Disruptor that would change the trajectory. Who knows?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 17, 2023 12:06 pm

Instead, the CCP threatens to launch continuous nuclear attacks on Japan until it surrenders unconditionally.

The CCP is well aware that Japan’s ‘bomb in the basement’ program is, on political command, only months, or weeks away from producing functioning nukes.

Vicki
Vicki
September 17, 2023 12:06 pm

Infectious gloom
Britons, notoriously, love a good moan. Complaints about things getting worse are often made with an almost delighted relish.

Granted. But try telling the proverbial man-in-the-street that times are “peachey” at the moment.

Makka
Makka
September 17, 2023 12:12 pm

Instead, the CCP threatens to launch continuous nuclear attacks on Japan until it surrenders unconditionally.

“There are more than eighty U.S. military facilities in Japan. More U.S. service members are permanently stationed in Japan than in any other foreign country.”

It would be akin to CCP nuking California. I don’t think so.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 12:13 pm

We are about two thirds of the way through the following process:

Vagina
Diet Vagina
Vanilla Vagina
Vagina Cherry
New Vagina
Vagina Zero
Vagina Lime
Frozen Vagina
Classic Vagina

There’s a thesis in there somewhere.

The end game is Recycled Origami Vagina, fashioned from scraps gleaned from elsewhere on the person.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 17, 2023 12:13 pm

Particularly exciting this year, because CSIRO scientists have finally sheeted home changes in the ENSO to manmade CO2 courtesy of 40 models (count them, 40) which all, with startlingly accurate statistical consistency, accurately model average global temperature back over the past 120 years.

And every one of them has been totally useless for the last 25 years.

Which is what happens when you ignore the most important two variables.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 12:17 pm

Just jumped on another Shinkansen.
Travelling in the Green Car, which I thought was top notch.
I now discover there is a Gran Class which is a step up again.
I have an uncontrollable urge to complain.
Must be my 1/16 Brit history coming through.

Makka
Makka
September 17, 2023 12:19 pm

The sense that the country is in long-term decline, ever since the end of empire, is an almost unshakeable item of faith.

David Vance posts vignettes from the UK. Decline seems pretty accurate.

https://twitter.com/DVATW

calli
calli
September 17, 2023 12:19 pm

Gran Class

Tee hee. Of course it’s better.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 17, 2023 12:22 pm

Three more worthy Ig Nobel Prizes:

Seung-min Park of Stanford University in the US was awarded the public health prize for inventing a toilet that can swiftly analyse human waste. His “Stanford toilet” even has an “anal-print” sensor, which is similar to fingerprint ID on mobile phones—except for anuses.

Only Stanford could invent an anus print sensor.

The communication prize was given to the study of people who are very good at speaking backwards. Of course, the award-winners accepted their prize by speaking backwards.

Fair enough, the Nobel Prize for Literature is usually pretty unintelligible also.

The psychology prize went to US researchers for their experiments observing how many people on a city street would stop and look up if they saw strangers craning their necks upwards. The more people who were looking up, the more passers-by joined in, the researchers found.

At least we’ll know when the asteroid arrives.

Dead spider claws and ‘anal-print’ toilets: 2023’s Ig Nobels (Phys.org, 16 Sep)

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 17, 2023 12:24 pm

Dr Faustus
Sep 17, 2023 12:06 PM
Instead, the CCP threatens to launch continuous nuclear attacks on Japan until it surrenders unconditionally.

The CCP is well aware that Japan’s ‘bomb in the basement’ program is, on political command, only months, or weeks away from producing functioning nukes.

And the recent threat will have moved that timeline down to hours or minutes.

Makka
Makka
September 17, 2023 12:26 pm

I have an uncontrollable urge to complain.
Must be my 1/16 Brit history coming through.

Perhaps. But definitely your 100% smug smartarsery is shining through.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
September 17, 2023 12:27 pm

Rishworth is more proof that political office is not open to people who have had real jobs.

She’s also proof when you sup with the devil you end up a lardarse, I recall Ms Rishworth’s last iteration in the G/R/G as a slender curly-headed know-little moppet.

calli
calli
September 17, 2023 12:35 pm

Makka, those Vance tweets were very instructive.

Of particular interest to me was the old white lady painting the church’s steps with the qwerty rainbow. The silly smile as she whitesplained to her Caribbean (possibly African) interlocutor about God’s “love”. He knew exactly the spiritual vacuum that she inhabited, fitting her small “g” god into her own image.

I wonder, when the Day comes, whether she will try to explain to the Almighty that holiness doesn’t matter? That superior, vacuous grin will be wiped off her face when she realises too late that big “L” Love is a consuming fire.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 17, 2023 12:37 pm

WA football great Stephen Michael shows his support for the Voice to Parliament
Joe SpagnoloThe West Australian
Sun, 17 September 2023 2:00AM
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WA football great Stephen Michael has thrown his support behind the Voice, saying it was time to right some wrongs from the past.

“I am supporting the Voice,” Michael said.

“I am going to vote yes.

“I do think we need a Voice.

Michael said his family had experienced prejudice first hand.

“I remember my Dad in 1972, in them days they had a rule that they (Indigenous people) had to get off the streets or get locked up,” Michael said.

“He had to drink in the back part of the pub, off the streets by 6pm, or he’d be locked up.

“This wasn’t one occurrence. This was all over Australia.

Not in any town in Australia I ever lived in. How much longer do we have to go on putting up with all this bullsh!t.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 12:39 pm

Perhaps. But definitely your 100% smug smartarsery is shining through.

And a jolly good morning to you too Nakka!

Indolent
Indolent
September 17, 2023 12:41 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 12:50 pm

Latte, two sugars, thanks.

Oh come on
Oh come on
September 17, 2023 12:52 pm

The ABC isn’t even attempting to hide its propagandising for the Yes camp:

Supporters for Indigenous Voice to Parliament gather for rallies across Australia

Across-the-board positive coverage for the Yes vote, always a negative spin placed on No critiques of the Yes arguments, always characterising the No campaign as dishonest and No voters as (at best) parochial and unsophisticated, always protecting the Marcia Langton types from their blunders and deeply counterproductive expressions of opinion, and carrying water for them in all other respects.

I wonder if the ABC has run a single article that could be characterised as, on balance, supportive of the No campaign. I haven’t seen one. Maybe it has. Perhaps one or two. It must have run hundreds for the Yes campaign.

The above article is illustrative of the ABC’s coverage. An extended tongue bathing for Yes (hell, it even provides the reader with the scheduling for Yes campaign rallies in Oz capitals!) while the following is the kindest thing it had to say about No:

Meanwhile, No campaign messaging is showing to have been cutting through in Victoria, where it has spent the least advertising money.

The ABC is a disgrace and, in a sane world, would be defunded and privatised immediately. In no way can it be said to be serving the broader Australian community.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 17, 2023 12:54 pm

The Russian invasion was a rational act

It is in the West’s interest to take Putin seriously

BY JOHN MEARSHEIMER AND SEBASTIAN ROSATO

It is widely believed in the West that Russian president Vladimir Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine was not a rational act.

On the eve of the invasion, then British prime minister Boris Johnson suggested that perhaps the United States and its allies had not done “enough to deter an irrational actor and we have to accept at the moment that Vladimir Putin is possibly thinking illogically about this and doesn’t see the disaster ahead”. US senator Mitt Romney made a similar point after the war started, noting that “by invading Ukraine, Mr Putin has already proved that he is capable of illogical and self-defeating decisions”. The assumption underlying both statements is that rational leaders start wars only if they are likely to win.

By starting a war he was destined to lose, the thinking went, Putin demonstrated his non-rationality.

Other critics argue that Putin was non-rational because he violated a fundamental international norm. In this view, the only morally acceptable reason for going to war is self-defence, whereas the invasion of Ukraine was a war of conquest. Russia expert Nina Khrushcheva asserted that “with his unprovoked assault, Mr Putin joins a long line of irrational tyrants”, and appears “to have succumbed to his ego-driven obsession with restoring Russia’s status as a great power with its own clearly defined sphere of influence”. Bess Levin of Vanity Fair described Russia’s president as “a power-hungry megalomaniac”; former British ambassador to Moscow Tony Brenton suggested his invasion was proof that he is an “unbalanced autocrat” rather than the “rational actor” he once was.

These claims all rest on common understandings of rationality that are intuitively plausible but ultimately flawed. Contrary to what many people think, we cannot equate rationality with success and non-rationality with failure. Rationality is not about outcomes. Rational actors often fail to achieve their goals, not because of foolish thinking but because of factors they can neither anticipate nor control. There is also a powerful tendency to equate rationality with morality since both qualities are thought to be features of enlightened thinking. But this too is a mistake. Rational policies can violate widely accepted standards of conduct and may even be murderously unjust.

So what is “rationality” in international politics? Surprisingly, the scholarly literature does not provide a good definition. For us, rationality is all about making sense of the world — that is, figuring out how it works and why — in order to decide how to achieve certain goals. It has both an individual and a collective dimension. Rational policymakers are theory-driven; they are homo theoreticus. They have credible theories — logical explanations based on realistic assumptions and supported by substantial evidence — about the workings of the international system, and they employ these to understand their situation and determine how best to navigate it. Rational states aggregate the views of key policymakers through a deliberative process, one marked by robust and uninhibited debate.

All of this means that Russia’s decision to invade Ukraine was rational. Consider that Russian leaders relied on a credible theory.

Most commentators dispute this claim, arguing that Putin was bent on conquering Ukraine and other countries in Eastern Europe to create a greater Russian empire, something that would satisfy a nostalgic yearning among Russians but that makes no strategic sense in the modern world. President Joe Biden maintains that Putin aspires “to be the leader of Russia that united all of Russian speakers. I mean… I just think it’s irrational.” Former national security adviser H. R. McMaster argues: “I don’t think he’s a rational actor because he’s fearful, right? What he wants to do more than anything is restore Russia to national greatness. He’s driven by that.”

But there is solid evidence that Putin and his advisers thought in terms of straightforward balance-of-power theory, viewing the West’s efforts to make Ukraine a bulwark on Russia’s border as an existential threat that could not be allowed to stand.

Russia’s president laid out this logic in a speech explaining his decision for war: “With Nato’s eastward expansion the situation for Russia has been becoming worse and more dangerous by the year… We cannot stay idle and passively observe these developments. This would be an absolutely irresponsible thing to do for us.” He went on to say: “It is not only a very real threat to our interests but to the very existence of our state and to its sovereignty. It is the redline which we have spoken about on numerous occasions. They have crossed it.”

In other words, for Putin, this was a war of self-defence aimed at preventing an adverse shift in the balance of power. He had no intention of conquering all of Ukraine and annexing it into a greater Russia.

Makka
Makka
September 17, 2023 12:56 pm

Latte, two sugars, thanks.

I’m surprised you can spare the time, carrying all those bags for JC. A paid break is it?

mizaris
mizaris
September 17, 2023 12:59 pm

Not in any town in Australia I ever lived in. How much longer do we have to go on putting up with all this bullsh!t.
Gnowangerup, WA. 1970s. They could only buy alcohol from a window at the pub and they had to stay out at the reserve if they were drinking. Not allowed to stay in town.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 17, 2023 1:01 pm

It would be akin to CCP nuking California. I don’t think so.

Since the start of Xi’s reign, China’s external diplomacy has gone from inscrutable with occasional spittle to Wolf Warrior.

Presumably some expert in the entourage had suggested that’s what gets eyeballs in the West.

Not clear if that expert knew that, in some Western cultures, that’s also known as gobshite.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 17, 2023 1:03 pm

Gnowangerup, WA. 1970s.

Happy to be corrected.

Makka
Makka
September 17, 2023 1:07 pm

Since the start of Xi’s reign, China’s external diplomacy has gone from inscrutable with occasional spittle to Wolf Warrior.

Presumably some expert in the entourage had suggested that’s what gets eyeballs in the West.

Which tends to make it quite clear that a lot of what we read and hear coming out of the CCP is for internal consumption to obtain a desired effect.

Externally, it appears that Xi has very clear demarcation lines on what China actually does externally. Don’t spook the horses (while we steal them).

JC
JC
September 17, 2023 1:08 pm

Makka
Sep 17, 2023 12:56 PM

Latte, two sugars, thanks.

I’m surprised you can spare the time, carrying all those bags for JC. A paid break is it?

Putin’s Oracle

eric hinton
eric hinton
September 17, 2023 1:11 pm

I presume Stephan Michael is talking about Koji, Zulu. In couple of other Great Southern towns Noongahs bought their grog at a side window. I don’t know about the six o’clock swill in 1972… Some of this was preference, my uncle tried to convince one of the town elders (when that word meant something) to join the bowls and golf clubs. Nope. They preferred football.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 1:11 pm

You seem a bit snippy this morning Nakka.
Is there anything we can help with?

JC
JC
September 17, 2023 1:12 pm

It’s going to be interesting watching the shuffling in the grass how Putin’s oracles handle an attack on Taiwan, which is close to being a perfect parallel to the attack on Ukraine.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 17, 2023 1:14 pm

Tim Blair has a couple of reactions to Jacinta Price’s address. A couple may have been shared here before but:

Linda Burney
Tony Wright Sydney Morning Herald
Peta Credlin
Channel Ten’s Ashleigh Raper of whom Blair writes:

That’s quite some performance from a media professional. Then again, talking about something is always difficult when you don’t know what you’re talking about.

And he has some choice words for The Age, which didn’t have Price in a photo after her address, but rather Barnaby Joyce and Michaela Cash:

The Age is such a poisonous little bitch of a newspaper that it didn’t run Price’s picture on today’s front page. Instead, it ran an image dominated by white Coalition members

Outstanding.

Robert Sewell
September 17, 2023 1:15 pm

Indolent

Sep 16, 2023 7:25 PM
This doesn’t make any sense! – Kula, Maui wildfires

Quite right – the fire patterns don’t make sense.
There’s no fire front advancing through the suburbs and burning the houses. The second video at 07:14 shows a score of houses well alight, but each one isn’t connected to the next except in 2 or 3 instances.
There are questions here that need to be answered and they aren’t. Only bullshit excuses and theories – with ( I noticed a favourite trick of the Left ) insert wild and implausible claims to throw doubt on all the theories.
E.g: people sheltering in tunnels with the 2 thousand child orphans, all wearing red shoes and living on pizza. It sounds ludicrous and it is. But it contaminates every other question about the fire – which is what it’s meant to do.

Robert Sewell
September 17, 2023 1:15 pm
Black Ball
Black Ball
September 17, 2023 1:17 pm

Blair pulls a couple of snippets from Wright’s piece:

Meanwhile, Price will presumably sit on the Coalition frontbench quite happily, saying a lot more than “No, No, No”, with the peanut gallery cheering along.

It’s a classist phrase that refers to the cheapest, worst seats in a theater. It can also be construed as racist since the cheap seats were the only seats Black Americans were allowed to purchase in the early- to mid-1900s.

Cheap balcony seats were reserved for or largely made up of African American patrons, thus since the phrase implied that the opinions expressed by those from the gallery were unsolicited and unhelpful.

One might think that a racist slur.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 17, 2023 1:26 pm

Quadrant magazine.

Then we have the Prime Minister calling the Uluru Statement — the one-pager or the other twenty-five he hasn’t read — “a generous and gracious offer.” It reads to me more like a final letter of demand – treaty, reparations, sovereignty, self-determination. It’s an ill-tempered recipe for partitioning Australia geographically and racially. It is an appalling offer, not a gracious one. Does Mr Albanese believe what he says or is he being duplicitous?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 17, 2023 1:26 pm

One might think that a racist slur.

Someone should ask Wright to comment on the cartoon by Leak today.
And video his response…

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 17, 2023 1:29 pm

(For those Cats who didn’t catch it in Tom’s toons yesterday: Leak.)

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 17, 2023 1:42 pm

Ella Cutler: GoFundMe seeking to pay for her return to Australia has reached its goal
Headshot of Shannon Hampton
Shannon Hampton
The West Australian
Sun, 17 September 2023 11:35AM
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Shannon Hampton

A close friend of the police officer who was left clinging to life after falling from a clifftop wall in Croatia has expressed her gratitude to the thousands who donated to the fundraising effort to bring her home, with the campaign reaching its half-a-million dollar target.

Ella Cutler was on the final leg of her long-planned European holiday when she fell 10m at Pile Gate in Dubrovnik on August 26. She suffered horrific injuries including fractures to her head, spine, limbs and ribs which left her in a critical condition.

After her travel insurance claim was denied, her family was left to raise $500,000 to cover her medical bills and for an air ambulance to bring her home in Perth, setting up a GoFundMe page, which quickly attracted donations from all over the world.

Speaking on Sunday, her best friend and fellow constable, Dani Morrison, said she wanted to say a “heartfelt thank you to every single person who donated to bring Ella home”.

Const. Morrison said it had been “moving” to see so much money raised in just a few days.

Chris
Chris
September 17, 2023 1:47 pm

Gnowangerup, WA. 1970s.

Around that period I understand the Gnowangerup store was run by a former Battle of Britain Spitfire pilot and his wife Joyce G an ex-BA hostie, an amazing lady who was reception and admin person where I worked in the late 80s.
I have no insights except that she did let us know that the ‘rules’ for how you had to operate to stay in business were quite unlike the comfy suburbs of Perth.
The aboriginal people of my own town were closely linked to the Gnowangerup mob, and it was routine for our Dads to give them petrol to go over to Gnowangerup, eg for a funeral.
There was no public bar in my town.
We would walk through the bush at the back of our shops (empty house lots never built on) to the school half a mile away, past a campfire and sleeping aboriginals after pension day.
Their homes were ‘humpies’ on bushland outside the townsite, self-built with bush and scrounged timber, old corrugated iron, kero tins and super bags. Dad would drop in for a chat to hire some blokes to help with haycarting or shearing.
After the State Housing built three houses in the townsite, the campfires were there instead of behind the shops.
When I first passed through Nullagine in 1981, I was SHOCKED. The Public Bar I walked into was a 3m square corrugated iron room with a servery window from the L-shaped bar space. A couple of broken lightweight chairs were the only seats, the floor concrete. The staff told us to ‘come around to the white mans bar’, which was the saloon bar or lounge bar, five times the size and with carpet tiles and a pool table.
Behind the bar serving that window into the Public Bar was a lovely thick polished waddy, about 3 ft long.
This reflects the nature of social interaction when a bunch of people were in town and the booze had been flowing. It is a response to experienced customer behaviour, rather than a damnable racism of the proprietor.

Cassie of Sydney
September 17, 2023 1:56 pm

My 84 year old mother rings me this morning asking if I’ll go to Bunnings with her this afternoon. I asked why? She said she wants to buy a ladder. I asked her if she was joking, and she said “no”. I said that firstly, she doesn’t need a ladder and secondly, if she does go and buy I ladder, I’ll come over and chuck it out. She is so unsteady on her feet it isn’t funny.

Elderly parents!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 1:58 pm

Test.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
September 17, 2023 1:59 pm

Is someone able to post the full Tim Blair article on the vile duplicitous media’s response to Senator Price’s press club speech?

Johnny Rotten
September 17, 2023 1:59 pm

“Zulu” the film is on Ch 92 (GEM) at 3.37 pm this afternoon.

Top film to be ruined by too many adverts though.

Thank goodness for the mute button.

Cassie of Sydney
September 17, 2023 2:00 pm

What about…

Diet Penis
Penis Zero
Penis a la Fizz
Crinkly Penis
Citrus Penis
Iced Vanilla Penis
Classic Penis

or just

Penis.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 2:02 pm

I don’t think your mum’s travel insurance will cover her either, Cassie.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 2:04 pm

The Dubrovnik stunt woman was never getting an insurance payout with a BAC of 0.2% ++.
And it looks like the tariff for a European medivac is closer to $500k.

Cassie of Sydney
September 17, 2023 2:05 pm

“I don’t think your mum’s travel insurance will cover her either, Cassie.”

I know. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing.

JC
JC
September 17, 2023 2:05 pm

Trader blog

Appears to be about right.

While it’s true, US corporations have roughly $20T in debt — one doesn’t need to concern oneself with suchness whilst stocks are near 52 week highs. Business is good and it’s gonna stay that way. If you don’t like it, move to Africa.

Or Russia.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 2:06 pm

Looking out the train window at the tiny rice harvesters.
Can’t be more than six feet wide.
Looks like something Farmer Gez put in the hot cycle in the washing machine.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 17, 2023 2:11 pm

ABC TV makes 11th hour decision to air Jacinta Nampijinpa Price’s National Press Club address

By sophie elsworth
Media Writer
@sophieelsworth
1:18PM September 17, 2023
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Surely it’s no coincidence when addresses to the National Press Club by two of the nation’s most-prominent No campaigners – Jacinta Nampijinpa Price and Warren Mundine – are apparently snubbed by ABC TV’s main channel?

Anyone who referred to the national broadcaster’s online TV guide on Thursday morning – just hours before Senator Price was due to give her powerful address in Canberra – could see that the live airing of her 12.30pm speech was not on the ABC main channel’s schedule.

Instead an episode of Hard Quiz was scheduled, and viewers who wanted to watch Senator Price’s speech would have had to switch to the ABC NEWS channel, which draws far fewer viewers.

A check of all the newspaper TV guides said the same thing: Senator Price’s address would not air on the main channel.

3AW broadcaster Neil Mitchell informed his listeners of this on Thursday morning, telling them: “Normally you would expect ABC television to broadcast the speech, well an email from Bernadette points out to me that they are not, they are going to put Hard Quiz on air instead.

“That can’t be right, that’s got to be an oversight, there is no way they would be so blatant to say, ‘Oh Jacinta Price is going to argue no, we will put a quiz show on instead’.”

Diary has been reliably informed it was Liberal Senator Sarah Henderson who took matters into her own hands on Thursday morning when she got wind of the ABC’s eyebrow-raising move.

The former ABC presenter phoned managing director David Anderson and shared some stern words.

Whatever was going on behind the scenes, it appears this call had significant impact because an 11th hour decision was made to air Senator Price’s speech.

Despite this, there was still no mention on the ABC’s online TV guides before the speech began and even the ABC’s helpline was telling callers they should switch to ABC NEWS channel to watch her address.

Diary asked the ABC what was going on and mid morning was told that Senator Price’s speech would be on the main channel due to “particular public interest in this event during the referendum campaign”.

When Senator Price’s spokesman was asked on the weekend what caused the ABC to drastically change its tune, he said: “Our office was alerted to this on Thursday morning, but we understand that when the matter was raised the ABC took action to run Senator Nampijinpa Price’s address on the main ABC channel.

“We believe it’s important that voters have equal opportunity to hear from all sides of the debate, and we’re glad the change in their programming schedule was able to be made.”

Apparently only the Wednesday NPC addresses are routinely aired on both ABC channels, which is fortunate for Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney, voice architect Professor Marcia Langton and Indigenous lawyer Noel Pearson, all planned for that midweek slot.

But what do viewers want to watch? Well, ABC TV’s YouTube channel shows viewers wanted to watch Senator Price in droves.

Her NPC address has drawn 84,000 views so far, compared to Professor Langton’s 17,000 views and Minister Burney’s 10,000 viewers.

Mr Mundine is due to give his NPC address on Tuesday, September 26, so Diary checked the ABC’s online guide to see where viewers could watch it. Not on the ABC.

Instead they were to be treated to an episode of the British series, Call the Midwife.

But after Diary put questions to the ABC, you guessed it, Mr Mundine’s address appeared on the ABC NEWS channel schedule, although not the main channel.

Diary asked Mundine about it on Sunday and he said, “It’s the ABC. They put all the Yes campaigners on the main channel and the No campaigners they drop to second class.

“They are not taking the referendum seriously, they are also picking a side.”

The ABC was asked about this on the weekend but did not respond.

cohenite
September 17, 2023 2:12 pm

All this dick talk requires a cute owl.

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 17, 2023 2:14 pm

Darkly amusing that they continue to publish the Aged and Sydney Morning Vomit at what must be a considerable loss. Why the hell did Nine buy them? I recall Tom said it’s cheaper to publish at a loss then put the zombies out of their misery. Despicable publications and have been for yonks. Do they own the Canbra Vomit too?

Cassie of Sydney
September 17, 2023 2:17 pm

Here’s my take on the Russell Brand allegations.

Brand has made himself an enemy of the establishment over the last few years, particularly for questioning the Covid narrative. Sure, he’s probably been a lecherous grub over the years, but rape, sexual assault and abuse? I call….nah.

I think it’s all designed to silence him. Me too was always about “me, me, me”, regardless of the truth.

Chris
Chris
September 17, 2023 2:18 pm

One day when I am not a work I will be under influence of substances, and I might actually click a ‘cute owl’.
Until then I will click anything else.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 17, 2023 2:19 pm

It appears bio hole is the hot new term used by the
mutilated and their allies when referring to the classic vagina.

As in, “Let use the big hole tonight darling.”
“Sure,let’s mix it up a bit.”

shatterzzz
September 17, 2023 2:20 pm

Wierd looking version of TITANIC and, definitely, not worth the 3 hours that went into it! then again for $3.99 you don’t get, genuine, James Cameron! ..
Still, killed off a bit of Sunday and no problems with hand/eye/tweezers co-ordination so all my distance swimming sessions paying off when it comes to the necessary patience .. so fair enuf, overall ..
https://ibb.co/MNJnJtb

Tom
Tom
September 17, 2023 2:20 pm

Tim Blair:

The Age is such a poisonous little bitch of a newspaper …

I’m taking that to the pool room.

Thanks, Timmo!

johanna
johanna
September 17, 2023 2:20 pm

mizaris
Sep 17, 2023 12:59 PM

Not in any town in Australia I ever lived in. How much longer do we have to go on putting up with all this bullsh!t.
Gnowangerup, WA. 1970s. They could only buy alcohol from a window at the pub and they had to stay out at the reserve if they were drinking. Not allowed to stay in town.

Even if that is true, the claim was only ‘not in any town I have ever lived in.’

There may well have been pockets of overt racism 50 years ago, but to suggest that this characterises the whole country in 2023 in bullshit, and the ‘intergenerational trauma’ argument has been conclusively dealt with by Senator Price.

Intergenerational poverty is a reality which transcends race – it happens in all Western countries. What happens is that kids grow up in an environment where nobody works for a living, nobody gets married and forms stable families, and there is a lot of substance abuse and violence.

Not surprisingly, the kids don’t turn out too well.

Nothing unique to Aborigines about it. It happens in white families as well, and in black, white and native American families in the US.

The deliberate avoidance of the real issues is also the same in other places.

BTW, as I asked the other day, anyone heard from the TSIs? I wonder if they concerned about having maybe only a D minor note in ‘The Voice.’

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 17, 2023 2:23 pm

She said she wants to buy a ladder.

I’m dreading getting out ladder so that I can clean out the salubrious Cafe penthouse, since the Indian mynahs have been decorating it. So far the kookas, who get preference for the use of the nest box, have shown no interest this season. But the mynahs have been toting in all sorts of weird stuff.

Indian mynahs love plastic. They fill up the nest box with old chip packets, Glad Wrap and cellophane, and even druggie ziplock bags. And small sticks, feathers and paper. It’s quite interesting.

If the kookas are unsuccessful with their preferred nest in a tree-based termite mound then they’ll come to the Cafe as backup plan. Did that last year, resulting in a nice young kooka. So when that happens I have to pull the ladder out climb up and remove all the (literal) rubbish the mynahs have stuffed into the nest box.

I’m a lot younger than your mum Cassie but the altitude seems to be getting higher and higher as the years go by.

I’m now up to two noisy kiddies of the new season who’re accepting food from my hand. The third one has been resisting so far. 😀

eric hinton
eric hinton
September 17, 2023 2:27 pm

Why the hell did Nine buy them?

To disprove the adage- at least in theory- that you can only get one Alan Bond in your life time?

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 17, 2023 2:28 pm

One might think that a racist slur.

A bit of a stretch. I’ve used the phrase for decades without any reference to African-American theatre history.

Robert Sewell
September 17, 2023 2:30 pm

Rosie:
These countries have reciprocal health agreements:
Belgium
Finland
Italy
Malta
the Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
the Republic of Ireland
Slovenia
Sweden
the United Kingdom.

Chris
Chris
September 17, 2023 2:31 pm

There may well have been pockets of overt racism 50 years ago, but to suggest that this characterises the whole country in 2023 in bullshit, and the ‘intergenerational trauma’ argument has been conclusively dealt with by Senator Price.

I agree, and add that the ‘overt racism’ of 50 years ago likely came from people most affected by the behaviour of their neighbours of other races.
My 84 year old mother (not getting older since last year) cared very much for the aboriginal kids she taught in our local primary school. She herself had a little of her childhood in a humpy and her family were kicked off their farm by banks in the Depression.
50 years ago was when the ABC and media and ediucated class in general were hot against ‘racial prejudice’. The early 1970s were very big for teaching not to racially discriminate, and it has been a major Australian value since long before that.
For the educated class, anyway.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 17, 2023 2:33 pm

The Dubrovnik stunt woman was never getting an insurance payout with a BAC of 0.2% ++.

Often out of luck motorcycling and surfing too. Which can be a problem.

bons
bons
September 17, 2023 2:36 pm

Derby, Fitzroy Crossing and Timber Creek were indeed grim in the 70’s and 80’s, not so much Broome.
It was disrurbing to watch. Bars were wired off with an aperture for handing out the bottles and ‘plagons’. Locals lay around in the streets or open areas, or went bush. Startling degradation ruled.
Was it racism. It had to be, but the reasons for the horror were not based on community racism (many locals excepted), it was a consequence of arrogant paternalistic Government incompetence and policy failure.
The Kimberley was in a death spiral.
When the missions were forced out they were replaced by, initially idealistic, later passive and eventually secretive and resentful bureaucrats who worsened and kept hidden a terrible situation.
The idiocy of the public service clowns pretending to be the NT Govt lifting the booze ban on remote communities is a typical display of the ongoing government willful ignorance that Jacinta calls out.
The Voice will perpetuate the situation. Until aboriginals are treated as, and required to be, responsible INDIVIDUALS and not a collective entity, nothing can change.
The huge number of successful aboriginal families, acknowledging but not being ruled by their race and culture exposes the Voice for the collectivist fraud that it is.
The left view the Voice as the model for the paternalistic dictatorship they seek to impose on all of us.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 2:38 pm

Robert Sewell

Sep 17, 2023 2:30 PM

Rosie:
These countries have reciprocal health agreements

Helps with doctors and hospital costs, but not medivac, which is the big hit.

Robert Sewell
September 17, 2023 2:39 pm

ZK2A:

I’ve heard it said that one of the worst mistakes the Germans made during World War Two was to win the battle for Arnhem, allowing the Soviets to capture Berlin.

That’s an interesting scenario, but I don’t think it would work.

shatterzzz
September 17, 2023 2:39 pm

She said she wants to buy a ladder. I asked her if she was joking, and she said “no”</em

I was up on the roof last week cleaning the gutters .. tho have to admit at 75 I spend a lot more attention to safety than I used too ……

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 17, 2023 2:41 pm

Often out of luck motorcycling and surfing too. Which can be a problem.

Yeah, for some reason insurance companies don’t love motorbikes, snow skiing, bungy jumping, sky-diving or jet-skis.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 17, 2023 2:41 pm

Why the hell did Nine buy them?

Domain probably No 2 in the online real estate market. Fauxfacts would never split it off. And yes, the redundancy costs have been the only thing keeping Teh Age and teh SMH alive, likely for years.

Johnny Rotten
September 17, 2023 2:42 pm

H B Bear
Sep 17, 2023 2:19 PM
It appears bio hole is the hot new term used by the
mutilated and their allies when referring to the classic vagina.

As in, “Let use the big hole tonight darling.”
“Sure,let’s mix it up a bit.”

Pussy Power?

shatterzzz
September 17, 2023 2:48 pm

I’ve heard it said that one of the worst mistakes the Germans made during World War Two was to win the battle for Arnhem, allowing the Soviets to capture Berlin.

The main thing that turned Arnhem into a disaster for the allies was poor intelligence evaluation! .. being aware of the presence of 2 Panzer divisions, in the area, on rest & re-fit and deciding they weren’t a problem …….
The Germans didn’t commit any additional forces that weren’t already in the vicinity ..

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 17, 2023 2:54 pm
johanna
johanna
September 17, 2023 2:57 pm

She said she wants to buy a ladder.

OMG.

I am reminded of a friend’s father, who ran a large sheep property north of Dubbo since he bought it in the 1940s. He was a spry, healthy chap, but didn’t know when to back off.

When he was in his early 70s, he fell out of a tree that he was pruning, broke multiple bones, and was in hospital for weeks. He was then in convalescence for months. Two of his three kids worked in the city, and the farmer among them had his own place a considerable distance away.

He had to hire a manager and retire. If he hadn’t been so stupid (no old person with a sense of self preservation risks a fall) he would still be running his farm.

He had style, though. I went to the country races with the family when I was staying there, and his arrangements with his ‘turf accountant’ were all on a nod and a wink. No money changed hands on the day. I later found out that the sums involved were not inconsiderable.

Different world.

calli
calli
September 17, 2023 2:58 pm

An observation on the Hawaiian fires and hopping over houses – this is a normal occurrence in urban/semi-urban bushfires in Sydney. Ember attack/building materials/fuel loads around the house play a part. In the 2000 Sydney fires, the front leapt over Old Northern Road, sparing some houses and igniting others.

Trees not burned? I presume they mean the trees weren’t turned to ash like the houses. Again, this will be a product of species – if the tree is a fleshy, north American or tropical exotic, then the water content in the trees will turn to vapour in a fire. Compare to eucs where the trees release oils.

Again, this was observed in Australia during the last big fires – houses surrounded by exotics did not burn, nor did the trees. Eucs…not so much.

shatterzzz
September 17, 2023 3:00 pm

I agree, and add that the ‘overt racism’ of 50 years ago likely came from people most affected by the behaviour of their neighbours of other races.

How many “city” folk, actually, get to know any 251s? .. I’ve lived in Sydney for the past 56 years and only ever met or spoken to one lot of 251s .. they lived next door for 3 years .. total no-hopers but I’ve never assumed all 251s are from the “you-can-take-the-251-out-of-Redfern-but-you-can’t-take-Redfern-out-of-the-251” tribe ..
But switch me onto boat-folk and I’ll chew your ear off for hours .. it’s a Fairfield thing! ..

johanna
johanna
September 17, 2023 3:01 pm

Anyone reminded of the bars where there was both ‘country’ and ‘western’ ?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 17, 2023 3:06 pm

calli
Sep 17, 2023 2:58 PM

The cars melting? It was a DEW attack. That footage from 911 has confirmed the tech exists. Any other explanation is MSM wank catered for sheep.

calli
calli
September 17, 2023 3:11 pm

My “explanation” is taken from experience.

But do continue to insult me.

johanna
johanna
September 17, 2023 3:14 pm

I fail to see how resurecting grievances that weren’t done to us helps anything. The whole Indegenous debate seems to be a muddle.

One thing I can say, having been a State and Commonwealth public servant,

When they say ‘no amount of money’ yada yada,

It’s all about the money,

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