Open Thread – Weekend 16 Sept 2023


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Bill P
Bill P
September 16, 2023 12:04 am

Oi

Rabz
September 16, 2023 12:04 am

Peoples – we are in the majority, even if it might seem so

Rossini
Rossini
September 16, 2023 12:04 am

Despite their win over Easts last night I don’t think they can beat Penrith next week.
Great try to snatch victory with minutes to go.

Bill P
Bill P
September 16, 2023 12:05 am

Upticks?
Upthumbs?

Rabz
September 16, 2023 12:06 am

Blah – even if it might not seem so … 😕

MatrixTransform
September 16, 2023 1:21 am

bigoted reprobates

… all of youse

Megan
Megan
September 16, 2023 1:25 am

Wot Matrix sed.

Go to sleep, party animals.

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 16, 2023 3:14 am

Damn jet lag!

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 3:18 am

Detroit goes on strike.
Wonder if the whitehouse will co-ordinate a legislative response to screw over the auto workers like it did with the rail workers.

Tom
Tom
September 16, 2023 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
September 16, 2023 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
September 16, 2023 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
September 16, 2023 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
September 16, 2023 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
September 16, 2023 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
September 16, 2023 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
September 16, 2023 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
September 16, 2023 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
September 16, 2023 4:10 am
Gabor
Gabor
September 16, 2023 4:14 am

The leader of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, is reported to be in critical condition, according to Ukrainian military intelligence. Inshallah

Gabor
Gabor
September 16, 2023 4:24 am

If you tell me this is not an organised invasion then what is it?

Jorge
Jorge
September 16, 2023 5:11 am

Archbishop Kay Goldsworthy of the Anglican Church Diocese of Perth featured prominently on The Drum last night.

There was a lot of talk about the church failing to move with the times and not keeping up with changes going on in the modern world.

As she spoke about the importance of this, one couldn’t help noticing that the good Archbishop flaunted her special status as a Prince(ss) of the Church by wearing a purple shirt and dog collar with a large pectoral cross.

She’s the very model of a modern Archbishop. She wears the skin suit as proof.

Funny, too, how hetero couples like Jacinta and hubby are introduced as ‘partners’ whereas homos insist on the traditional ‘husband’ and ‘wife’.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 16, 2023 5:12 am

Thanks Tom. Leak does it well. Again.

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2023 5:12 am

Cop that you rugby homos.

Sydney Swans are not a rugby team.

Carn’ the Blues!

Only 160 minutes away from dropping a Richmond level generational curse.

Or should I say Melbin D’s level?

I never gave up hope! I never pretended I didn’t follow Aussie Rules footy!

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 16, 2023 5:16 am

There was a lot of talk about the church failing to move with the times and not keeping up with changes going on in the modern world.

Keeping up with the times is not what the church is for. Quite the contrary; it should be concerned with eternal verities, not fashionable idiocies.

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2023 5:17 am

Archbishop Kay Goldsworthy

1 Timothy 2:12

Uh oh!

Gabor
Gabor
September 16, 2023 5:32 am

DrBeauGan
Sep 16, 2023 5:16 AM

Keeping up with the times is not what the church is for. Quite the contrary; it should be concerned with eternal verities, not fashionable idiocies.

Not a religious one myself, but that’s exactly what I alluded to in my comment a day or so ago.

God is eternal, he/she laid down the rules. That’s it.

Petros
Petros
September 16, 2023 5:47 am

The other day someone here scoffed at my suggestion that good websites should have an open slather comments section. They reasoned that it would lead to litigation. Isn’t that largely what we have here with the Cat, CL, SDA, and Jo etc? No doubt some commenters are blocked but there is generally robust discussion and I have learnt so much from this over the years. I’m sure there is a way to maintain decorum on these sites. The reason that I don’t subscribe to the AFR, for example, is that there are no comments sections for the articles. Imagine if we could point out Philip Coorey’s arguments are bollocks?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 16, 2023 6:07 am

Not a religious one myself, but that’s exactly what I alluded to in my comment a day or so ago.

God is eternal, he/she laid down the rules. That’s it.

While I do not believe that there is a being who created everything, I acknowledge that human beings have a hunger for the transcendent, the sublime. Also, human nature is a reality which is ignored at your peril. So I find myself in agreement with quite a lot of Christian moral teaching as realistic solutions to perennial human problems. And feeling awe and wonder at the universe we live in is absolutely right.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 6:12 am

Watching a Louis CK clip on instagram.
He starts with 44 of his family were murdered at Auschwitz (they were Hungarian Jews) and ends it with his paternal grandfather fleeing to Mexico.
Many people make a big thing about notable people in their family tree.
Imagine going back through your family history and seeing whole branches of it just ending like that.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 6:14 am

So I find myself in agreement with quite a lot of Christian moral teaching as realistic solutions to perennial human problems.

The whole do unto others etc… is a pretty decent place to start.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 16, 2023 6:44 am

The whole do unto others etc… is a pretty decent place to start.

Yes indeed. And be kind to your enemies is brilliant. I am impressed by the moral clarity of many of the sayings of Jesus and others who followed him.

‘What shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul?’

There’s many a member of the parasite class would do well to reflect on that one.

calli
calli
September 16, 2023 7:06 am

1 Timothy 2:12

Amen. Interesting how the agnostics and atheists get it but determined wymynses who say they believe ignore it.

Min
Min
September 16, 2023 7:09 am

I was at the prof Will Happer talk last night The best line
Where there is a trough there will be pigs .
Most interesting fact Plant photosynthesis requires less water ie more carbon less water required and CSIRO maps of the greening of the world . Also pictures of plants increasing in size with more carbon

calli
calli
September 16, 2023 7:14 am

A beautiful, clear morning here at the Bay. I believe we are about to experience the season’s first strike of Dreadful Heat. That’ll stir the dahlia tubers to life!

Stay safe.

Cassie of Sydney
September 16, 2023 7:16 am

“Funny, too, how hetero couples like Jacinta and hubby are introduced as ‘partners’ whereas homos insist on the traditional ‘husband’ and ‘wife’.”

Yes, I’ve noticed that as well. Here in NSW, that sinister, creepy, and very dangerous homosexual state member for Sydney, Alex Greenfilth, loves to describe his partner as his “husband”.

This is why I was sooooooo glad that Jacinta stood up and corrected the introduction when Colin was described as her “partner”. Wrong, as Jacinta rightly said, Colin is her “husband” (and a handsome and striking man he is).

What a great gal Jacinta is. What a credit to her parents.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 16, 2023 7:27 am

1 Timothy 2:12

Amen. Interesting how the agnostics and atheists get it but determined wymynses who say they believe ignore it.

Again, I think the Christians have a better insight into human nature, in this case the differences between men and women.

Women are the natural nurturing sex, men the protective sex. When women have power over men, they can easily abuse it. Men can abuse their power too, of course, but their instincts make it less likely, and less frightful when they do.
It doesn’t require much insight into human nature to see this. Feminism hasn’t done women much good, and a lot of harm.
It was supposed to be liberating for women to be able to go out to work. Now they have to, for financial reasons, when their instincts are to stay home and raise children.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 16, 2023 7:30 am

I’ve had it with the leftist morons, enough is enough. I’ve taken on board some religious instruction with my own interpretation. Do unto others before they do it to you. I know they’re going to.

Cassie of Sydney
September 16, 2023 7:33 am

“The other day someone here scoffed at my suggestion that good websites should have an open slather comments section. They reasoned that it would lead to litigation. Isn’t that largely what we have here with the Cat, CL, SDA, and Jo etc? No doubt some commenters are blocked but there is generally robust discussion and I have learnt so much from this over the years. I’m sure there is a way to maintain decorum on these sites. The reason that I don’t subscribe to the AFR, for example, is that there are no comments sections for the articles. Imagine if we could point out Philip Coorey’s arguments are bollocks?”

I don’t think it was a scoffing. There is robust debate and comment here, just like on the Old Cat, but Sinclair and Dover always have to have some moderation. Sometimes that comes with trusting commentators, most of our comments are published here immediately because Dover trusts us. However, if you’ve never been here before, and you try and post a comment or two, it will go into moderation, until Dover decides to publish it or no. Then you have the case where Dover has had to smite/bin/toss commentators, some who have been deliberately provocative and reckless, and some who have simply lost their minds and they begin to post libellous/inflammatory stuff. You might ask who’s liable if someone takes exception to a post or two? Well, it is Dover. You do know that according to the HC ruling of a few years ago, which stemmed from the Dylan Voller case, the HC “expanded the scope of the meaning of the concept of ‘publisher’ to include administrators of public Facebook pages, meaning that administrators can now potentially be liable for defamatory comments made by third parties even where an administrator has no actual knowledge their page .”

That’s why you can’t have open slather on any comment page. I think Dover is, just like Sinclair was, pretty lenient when it comes to commenting here. As for those who might think that such a blog like this wouldn’t attract any attention, I would warn against being naive. A right-wing discussion blog of this type is a target of left-wing fascists, who would shut this place down in a heartbeat if they could.

Rafiki
Rafiki
September 16, 2023 7:33 am

DrBeauGan
What do you think the notion of losing one’s soul means?

Cassie of Sydney
September 16, 2023 7:34 am

“Dreadful Heat. “

Global boiling!

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 7:34 am

Again, I think the Christians have a better insight into human nature

Let’s not go overboard.

Cassie of Sydney
September 16, 2023 7:37 am

“She’s the very model of a modern Archbishop. She wears the skin suit as proof.”

Yes, it’s a veneer. Despite the inclusion, despite the never ending cultural Marxism, the churches empty by the day.

Which is why I take my hat off to the Presbyterian Church for their stance on the bulldust that is welcome to country.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 16, 2023 7:37 am

Warren Mundine with Vickie Grieves Williams:

Outrage has become a common feature in modern politics. If someone screams when you press their skin, it’s a sign of injury lurking underneath. Likewise, if a person reacts with outrage in political debate, it often masks great vulnerability in their position.

A few months ago, the National Indigenous Australians Agency released records of the 14 regional Dialogues on constitutional recognition that preceded the Uluru Statement of the Heart.

The document is 112 pages long.

Confusingly, it begins at the end with “Document 14”, labelled this way because it’s a record of the 14th and final Dialogue held at a resort in Yulara, near Uluru, during which the document known as the “Uluru Statement from the Heart” was released.

Documents one to 13 follow, being records of the 13 Dialogues that preceded it.

These records provide considerable material for commentary and critique of the proposed Voice, only one of the “requests” in the Statement from the Heart.

Advocates for the Voice reacted to this scrutiny with so much outrage it was like someone had poured disinfectant into a gaping wound. No wonder. Document 14 is a dossier declaring a metaphorical war on modern Australia.

This outrage has focused on how long the Uluru Statement is. Whether it’s just the 439 words reproduced on canvas surrounded by attendee signatures and artwork for display in museums. Or the longer and now infamous “Document 14”.

This has distracted us from the most important point. The howls of outrage are a warning. We need to examine Document 14 in detail and we need to talk about it.

Document 14 is a 26-page document headed “Uluru Statement from the Heart”. Page one contains the 439 words Prime Minister Albanese describes as an “eloquent request”. The remaining pages are grouped under four sub-headings:

• “Our Story”, an Indigenous history of Australia;

• “Guiding Principles”, governing the 14th Dialogue’s assessment of reform proposals;

• “Reform Priorities” assessing proposals considered in the previous 13 Dialogues and detailing the three favoured by the 14th Dialogue being a Voice to Parliament, Treaty and Truth-telling and their rationale; and

• “Roadmap” outlining the plan for implementing the Voice, Treaty, Truth reforms.

It’s now heresy to suggest the Uluru Statement is anything other than the 439 words reproduced on the canvas.

This edict has been issued by the NIAA, ticked off by RMIT Fact Check and endorsed by Yes campaigners everywhere.

Albanese described the suggestion the Uluru Statement includes these sections as “absolute nonsense”, “a conspiracy theory” and like believing the moon landing was fake.

But, until recently, the whole document was pushed by the chief architect of the Voice, Professor Megan Davis, who’s said repeatedly in speeches, interviews and print, that many people don’t know the Uluru Statement isn’t just one page but indeed a longer document of circa 18 pages.

In her 2018 Human Rights Oration, for example, she said the Uluru Statement “includes the very important statement that we issued to the Australian people at Uluru but it also includes a very important story that we called ‘Our Story’ that maps Aboriginal history through Aboriginal eyes starting with the invasion and traversing many phases of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander history”.

This, in itself, is an astounding assertion that begs closer examination.

In her 2018 Henry Parkes Oration, she said the Uluru Statement is “not just the one page invitation to the Australian people, it also includes what we call ‘Our Story’ … and also a few pages … on the reform. Why do we want a Voice? What will a Voice do? So, I urge everybody [to] … read that whole document, which we call the Uluru Statement from the Heart.”

And in a recent contribution to a book, “Our Voices from the Heart”, she and co-author Pat Anderson said the Uluru Statement “includes three elements: the one-page pitch to the Australian people; ‘Our Story’ of the First Nations history of Australia; and the explanation of the legal reform’’.

Davis believes Document 14 is essential to understanding what the Uluru Statement is about, what it is intended to achieve, and what the 439 words are actually asking for. And until it became politically unwise to say so, she wanted Makarrata everyone to read it.

She’s right. Everybody should read that whole document, whatever you want to call it.

Document 14 is steeped in grievance; with Indigenous Australians trapped in victimhood and oppression, not currently free or able to make their own decisions; where self-determination is an aspiration, not something within reach today.

That’s a lie; as is the inference self-determination can only be granted by government (and bizarrely by a government that the ‘Our Story’ narrative frames as illegitimate).

Nothing could be further from the idea of reconciliation than Document 14.

It contemplates a future of separation, with First Nations sovereignty standing apart from, and opposite to, Australian sovereignty.

But not only that.

Document 14 also stands against traditional owner autonomy over their own lands and seas; rooted in the idea of one homogenous pan-Indigenous people with one capital “L” law.

That’s the very clear objective of the Makarrata Commission, which is the second body requested in the Uluru Statement (and right there in the words on the canvas).

The final paragraphs of Document 14 should be chilling for all Australians, but especially for traditional owners, where it states: “The Bill establishing the Makarrata Commission should confer all necessary powers and functions to facilitate the settlement of a National Makarrata Framework Agreement between Australian Governments and First Peoples, as well as subsequent First People Agreements at the local level. The role of the National Native Title Tribunal should be subsumed by the Makarrata Commission, which should have as one of its functions the role of a Truth and Reconciliation Commission to enable all Australians to face the truth of the past and to embrace a common hope for the future.”

The Uluru Statement from the Heart is a political ploy to grab power, not just from the Australian nation but also from traditional owners themselves.

It’s apt that Davis and Anderson’s recent writings describe the 439 words as a “pitch”.

It’s a glossy marketing document for the misappropriation of culture, a misrepresentation of history, and for a radical and divisive vision of Australia.

All done in the name of Aboriginal people but subsuming our interests and very much working against us.

There will be other essays from these 2 in the Daily Telegraph over the next few Fridays in the lead up to the referendum date. If this one is any indication, they are required reading.

Tom
Tom
September 16, 2023 7:37 am

Is it just me or is tab.com.au one of the worst websites in corporate Australia?

It is forever sending me down metaphorical closed roads and, more often than, refuses to open today’s racing menu — the basic information required by every punter.

It doesn’t matter which browser I use, the software malfunctions are ubiquitous.

Just another shit product from a former government instrumentality.

At least Qantas has a good website that works.

Vicki
Vicki
September 16, 2023 7:39 am

Cassie – the constant alarmism on the weather reports drives my husband crazy! We have all lived through genuine hot spells & the exaggerated alarm of TV hacks is plain stupid. I don’t know if anyone had noticed, but subtitles are frequently now misspelt. The general standard of the media probably reflects a decline in education.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 16, 2023 7:39 am

Anyone that purchases an electric vehicle to save the planet is a certifiable f-wit. If it ends up bursting into flames and reducing your house into ash ….good. Suck it up, retards.

John Stossel Reveals Inconvenient Facts About Electric Vehicles

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2023 7:40 am

Again, I think the Christians have a better insight into human nature

Of course.

For starters we have an ontology grounded in reality rather than post-modern liquidity.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2023 7:41 am

I note the Yes people are rolling out the mental illness/suicide tactic used in the ssm plebiscite.

Vicki
Vicki
September 16, 2023 7:44 am

Couldn’t get a letter praising Price’s stunning Press Club performance in the Oz. The paper is totally supportive of the Voice & is very selective with the letters.

We are going to see Price in person at her appearance at Lithgow Club Auditorium Monday week.

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2023 7:46 am

Anyone that purchases an electric vehicle to save the planet is a certifiable f-wit. If it ends up bursting into flames and reducing your house into ash ….good. Suck it up, retards.

You must be constipated with frustration.

You are a very angry dude.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2023 7:46 am

Archbishop Kay Goldsworthy of the Anglican Church Diocese of Perth featured prominently on The Drum last night. There was a lot of talk about the church failing to move with the times and not keeping up with changes going on in the modern world.

Someone should remind the “archbishop” of the old saying, “Whoever marries the spirit of this age will find herself a widow in the next.”

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2023 7:47 am

I note the Yes people are rolling out the mental illness/suicide tactic used in the ssm plebiscite.

Laughable. Anyone who threatens suicide if they don’t get their own way is a narcissistic abuser.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 16, 2023 7:48 am

DrBeauGan
What do you think the notion of losing one’s soul means?

Losing one’s integrity, with a consequent loss of self-respect. Falling apart as an individual human being. Becoming just a bundle of appetites, with no core identity left.

Having no honour.

Cassie of Sydney
September 16, 2023 7:49 am

“If it ends up bursting into flames and reducing your house into ash ….good. Suck it up, retards.”

Even if there are children in the house?

I think you need help, Steve.

Tom
Tom
September 16, 2023 7:50 am

Warren Mundine:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart is a political ploy to grab power, not just from the Australian nation but also from traditional owners themselves.

That’s why the activists are squealing so loudly when it is pointed out.

The whole idea of the referendum is that it’s a political stitch-up that can’t be undone once it’s written into the Australian Constitution.

Johnny Rotten
September 16, 2023 7:51 am

Cassie of Sydney
Sep 16, 2023 7:34 AM
“Dreadful Heat. “

Global boiling!

Global ‘Hyperbowl’ Hyperbole.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2023 7:53 am

Anyone who threatens suicide if they don’t get their own way is a narcissistic abuser.

Local ABC radio interviewed a big wig in an aboriginal health service who claimed the “outbreak of racism” associated with the referendum was leading to increased referrals for mental health issues.

Let me say off the bat, anyone who engages in actual racist trolling on the back of this issue is a dickhead.

That being said, what did the lady mean by “racism” and how many referrals above average were they getting? Neither question was asked by the interviewer, of course.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 16, 2023 7:54 am

The Lion Whisperer:

Join Kevin Richardson as he takes lions Vayetse and Ginny out on a fun enrichment walk. In this video, Kevin gives some health updates on Vayetse and also answers some questions that often appear in the comments. Watch to the end to hear the answers! Also, we have a trailer for the membership video coming out on Monday.

Will WILD LIONS Attack Me? | The Lion Whisperer

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2023 7:55 am

For starters we have an ontology grounded in reality rather than post-modern liquidity.

Whoever down ticked that observation, explain your reasoning…I dares ya!

(The down tick doesn’t worry me; I’m interested in your counter argument.)

calli
calli
September 16, 2023 7:56 am

Anyone who threatens suicide if they don’t get their own way is a narcissistic abuser.

Correct.

If they “threaten” to top themselves if you don’t do what they want, it reveals a darker motivation. They will have no qualms in harming you and yours to achieve that end.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 16, 2023 7:56 am

Cassie of Sydney
Sep 16, 2023 7:49 AM

How about you don’t purchase it in the first place to put children at risk.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 7:56 am


Local ABC radio interviewed a big wig in an aboriginal health service who claimed the “outbreak of racism” associated with the referendum was leading to increased referrals for mental health issues.

It’s similar to any time there is a protest from a group that isn’t approved, the phone lines light up with a fleet of ambulances stuck trying to get to hospitals.
The odd thing is that apart from the surrogates calling talkback radio, there is nothing to confirm that this ever happened.

The opposite is the case when the extinction rebellion boomers are blocking traffic.
You see an ambulance right there being blocked, but that’s ok because extinction rebellion is approved.

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2023 7:57 am

Even if there are children in the house?

Not just that, what if you live in apartment complex?

I know everyone is angry after COVID but you just have accept that whole charade as an irrecoverable loss of both your liberty and a loss of part of your finite life, as a sunk costs.

No amount of vengeance will make this any better.

If you fail to accept the loss and fail to forgive (or at least move on) you will be damaged for life.

calli
calli
September 16, 2023 7:59 am

Roger, that’s a lost cause. Reason, humour, appeals to their better angels, even mockery will not move our resident troll.

Believe me, I’ve tried it for a week to no avail.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 16, 2023 7:59 am

Another miserable ghost.

Tony Blair Demands Junk Food Be Made Too Expensive for Poor People and Save the NHS (15 Sep)

Unhealthy foods should be taxed by the government in order to shape the decisions of poorer people and reduce the strain on the National Health Service, former Prime Minister Tony Blair said this week.

The opposition to the “nanny state” is small in the UK, Tony Blair surmised, and therefore the government could get away with imposing regressive taxes on so-called junk foods similar to the smoking ban in indoor public spaces imposed when he served as prime minister in 2007.

Just go away. Maybe have a nice meal of raw broccoli with Michelle Obama.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 16, 2023 8:00 am

For starters we have an ontology grounded in reality rather than post-modern liquidity.

You and I may disagree about whether some statements are true, but we certainly agree that truth exists, that it makes sense to say that some statements are true and others false.

Post-modernism is an incoherent mess, if there is no objective truth, then the statement that there is no objective truth isn’t an objective truth so can safely be ignored.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2023 8:01 am

Believe me, I’ve tried it for a week to no avail.

Oh…you mean they don’t have a counter argument?

I guess we’ll find out soon enough, calli.

😀

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 16, 2023 8:04 am

Cassie of Sydney

Go on and do a rant about a MSM article. It seems it consumes your soul.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2023 8:05 am

You and I may disagree about whether some statements are true, but we certainly agree that truth exists…

Indubitably.

Ideas always have consequences, and we’re seeing the consequences of a lot of bad ideas in the current absurd confusion over biology and sex in particular, with much damage being done to lives as a result.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2023 8:06 am

Time to step out for the morning constitutional.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 8:06 am

The Biden administration is taking the Missouri v Biden to SCOTUS.
The case started with the administration & it’s affiliates saying they didn’t censor.
Which they got anally probed with the 4th July ruling.
Then the appeal knocked out a whole bunch of stuff but upheld they couldn’t bully, threaten social media companies to censor (or else).
But the administration can’t even let that stand.
So the SCOTUS case will be show that not only did the administration bully/threaten but they demand to be able to continue doing so.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 8:07 am

Time to step out for the morning constitutional.

Two black coffees usually does the trick for me.

Cassie of Sydney
September 16, 2023 8:09 am

“Go on and do a rant about a MSM article. It seems it consumes your soul.”

Firstly, I don’t rant about “MSM articles”.

Secondly, your own soul is permanently entangled, obsessed and consumed by vaccines, earthquakes, and now EVs.

Finally, as I wrote above, you need help.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 16, 2023 8:09 am

Roger
Sep 16, 2023 8:06 AM
Time to step out for the morning constitutional.

Do you have a shitter in the back yard?

Cassie of Sydney
September 16, 2023 8:12 am

“vaccines, earthquakes, and now EVs.”

Oh I forgot another one, the other day here Trickler’s soul was consumed by the events of September 11, 2001, and anyone who dared dispute his crazy ramblings about buildings falling down was called a “c*nt” and/or told to “eff off”.

Hmm, just whose soul is “consumed”?

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 8:14 am

and anyone who dared dispute his crazy ramblings about buildings falling down was called a “c*nt” and/or told to “eff off”.

So you’re saying WTC 7 wasn’t a controlled demolition?

(scurries away again).

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 16, 2023 8:14 am

Cassie of Sydney
Sep 16, 2023 8:09 AM
“Go on and do a rant about a MSM article. It seems it consumes your soul.”

Firstly, I don’t rant about “MSM articles”.

Secondly, your own soul is permanently entangled, obsessed and consumed by vaccines, earthquakes, and now EVs.

Yes you do, and you are brilliant at it. Don’t comment on the jabs or earthquakes because you are out if your league.

STFU!

You need help.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 8:14 am

Dover please delete my comment at 8:14am.
I’ll post it again next September 11.

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2023 8:15 am

Nostalgia time, filmed on a potato.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsJghP6IRJk

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2023 8:16 am

Steve where are these photos of the Murrah building?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 16, 2023 8:16 am

of your league….

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 16, 2023 8:16 am

(The down tick doesn’t worry me; I’m interested in your counter argument.)

My sentiments exactly re downticking, Roger. If there is a clear counter-argument then OK, the downtick can stand as a reference to that (as in the yes and no cases for the Voice), but if the reason for the downtick is opaque and might lead to interesting debate on something substantive, maybe downtickers should come in and try to explain their reasoning.

Otherwise downticks can often proxy simply for personal dislike of the commenter.

Which is stupid. Worthless aggro.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 8:17 am

Speaking of potatoes, how’s that WA guy going?
Infidel Tiger’s mate.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 16, 2023 8:18 am


Roger, that’s a lost cause. Reason, humour, appeals to their better angels, even mockery will not move our resident troll.

Believe me, I’ve tried it for a week to no avail.

The person who persistently downticks you Calli, is doing a public service. It is a useful warning: There be morons about.

Chris
Chris
September 16, 2023 8:18 am

Archbishop Kay Goldsworthy of the Anglican Church Diocese of Perth featured prominently on The Drum last night.

I foolishly attended a service at St Georges Cathedral at the start of NAIDOC Week, and she featured prominently.
Lets just say that the old Sydney bible-reading push have lost the war with revisionism. In that service, Christianity itself was thrown out for performative worship of other people’s ancestors.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 16, 2023 8:18 am

Dot
Sep 16, 2023 8:16 AM
Steve where are these photos of the Murrah building?

You haven’t found them? Are you suggesting I am lying?

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2023 8:18 am

Don’t comment on the jabs or earthquakes because you are out if your league.

LOL

Del Bigtree and Dutchsinse, Internet Professors of Logic, Virology and Geosciences.

The only thing better is the random guy at a bus stop who asks if you own a dog house.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 8:20 am

The only thing better is the random guy at a bus stop who asks if you own a dog house.

Bwahahaha
Probably lost on most people Dot.

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2023 8:20 am

You haven’t found them?

You said you would. How am I bound to promises another person makes?

Are you suggesting I am lying?

Yes. Or at least are deluded with convictions in a fantasy world.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 16, 2023 8:20 am

Could someone tell me how a player like Max Gawn reached one handed to touch a shot on goal from his own teammate?
Gawn was not that effective all night apart from taps. Didn’t get to enough contests.
Carlton’s big men did a far better job apart from defence where the D’s Lever and May did their usual high quality work. Any club would give their eye teeth for this pair in the backline.
The night was summed up for me when a Carlton player had a brain fade and kicked the wrong way but it still ended up on the chest of a teammate.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 16, 2023 8:23 am

James Campbell asks the question:

It should have been the week the starting gun fired on the sprint to victory at next month’s Voice referendum.

But with a month until polling day and polls showing the vote likely to fail, minds in the government are turning to how the divisions from the campaign can be healed.

The first official week of the campaign, which began on Monday with Governor-General David Hurley issuing the writs for the October 14 vote, quickly turned into a horror show for the Yes campaign after comments emerged of Professor Marcia Langton telling an audience in Western Australia that the No campaign’s arguments came down to “base racism” or “just sheer stupidity”.

Langton was later at pains to make clear she was talking only about the arguments and was not calling No voters racist or stupid.

But in private, senior government figures and Yes23 staff were not hiding the fact they thought the comments played into the hands of the No camp and were a disaster for the campaign.

Privately some ministers expressed frustration at the reluctance to publicly rebuke her.

“We should have distanced ourselves from Langton,” one minister said.

The Yes23 campaign wasn’t sure how to respond either.

“In an election campaign you can disendorse candidates, but it’s a referendum. You can’t sack Marcia Langton because you don’t like what she’s said,” a senior Yes23 campaign strategist said on Thursday.

Bizarrely, with only four weeks to go until the vote — and with the polling all showing the referendum is likely to fail — a surprising number of senior Labor figures say minds have yet to turn to what the government plans to do on the morning after the night the vote goes down.

In the aftermath of the 2016 Brexit referendum, which saw the UK vote to leave the EU, then UK prime minister David Cameron, who had led the case to remain, resigned.

Could the same thing happen here?

“How does he stay if the Yes vote starts with a 3 when he’s put the country through this?” a senior Coalition frontbencher said.

A former Morrison government minister said it was right that people considered what he called “the David Cameron option”.

“(Anthony Albanese) is the one who insisted on this in this form to the existence of other forms, he’s got to take responsibility for that,” he said.

“There are a lot of similarities. He chose to do it. He chose for it to be in that form to the exclusion of all others, and was adamant about it. It was all or nothing. That was his choice.

“Now when you make an all-or-nothing play, you’ve got to accept the all-or-nothing outcome.”

But Labor MPs who spoke to News Corp all rejected the prospect of the PM quitting in the wake of defeat, with one saying the caucus was “100 per cent behind him” and no Australian prime minister had ever quit who had lost a referendum.

But a minister conceded it was strange how little work had gone into preparing for this outcome.

The reason for that, he said, was simple: “Because it’s a thought crime.”

Another said the prospect preying foremost on his mind was how it would be received by Indigenous Australia.

“It is going to be a really bad day for Aboriginal people if the polls should be proved correct,” he said.

There would also be angry recriminations from the inner-city Left — “a pity party for the ages”, as one Labor activist described it — which the government would need to avoid indulging.

“I think there needs to be a balance of humility, reflection and optimism,” the minister said.

“There’s got to be a hope proposition, but turning that into something that can be operationalised is really f..king hard.”

A Labor MP, who made no bones about the fact he thinks the referendum is going to fail, said “it will take some time” for the country to get over the vote.

“There will be a lot of bitterness and rancour about this,” he said.

He said Mr Albanese would need to “redouble his effort on closing the gap” after the campaign was over.

“Housing, health, education, homelessness — that’s what he’s got to do for the country,” the MP said.

Just how bleak the aftermath of defeat might be was summed up by Yes23 spokesman Thomas Mayo, a favourite target of the No campaign, who said the damage would take generations to heal.

“You won’t be able to undo the hurt or the damage it does, particularly, and most importantly, to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, because the truth is this is a modest proposal despite fear mongering, it’s just an advisory committee, that’s all it is, what most of the respected constitutional experts and former High Court justices say,” Mr Mayo said.

“It will take more than a lifetime to heal the damage of a No vote, it will take many lifetimes I think.”

Mr Mayo is in no doubt that the blame for the decline in the Yes vote’s fortunes can be attributed to the Federal Opposition’s decision in April to oppose the Voice.

“It’s only been since the No campaign has ramped up its misinformation and fear campaign that we have seen those numbers plummet,” Mr Mayo said.

“It should never have been something that a political party decided to make an issue that is about being re-elected. It’s just wrong.”

Another minister, who admitted he had “no idea” how the government planned to move on if No won out, drew attention to the Prime Minister’s rhetoric last week in parliament in which he said Australians are “fundamentally decent” and “regardless of what way they vote in a democratic referendum, I respect Australians — each and every one of them.”

“I think that’s the tone he’s going to be striking,” the minister said.

“The challenge,” his colleague said, will be “to find a message and a tone that cuts through what will be wild noise, that doesn’t look like it’s picking a fight with the vote — whilst not letting Dutton off the hook — and which provides as much comfort as possible to First Nations people who’ll be doing it tough and who know there isn’t an easy answer to that pain.”

But a senior Labor official, who is deeply involved in the campaign, was blunt about how little thought so far has gone into this.

“It’s a good question how we handle it and I’m not sure comrades have properly turned their minds to it,” the official said.

Bit in there comrades! (Chortle)
Mayo suggests that more intergenerational trauma will follow a No decision. It won’t.
Labor person says it will cause “rancour and bitterness” if it goes down. It will amongst the inner city elites. Old mate in rural areas, not so much.
Labor insiders suggesting they can’t distance themselves from Langton. They should have long ago.
Yes no Australian PM has resigned because of referenda being dismissed. But the knives will certainly be out.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 16, 2023 8:25 am

I still can’t find the pictures I want. Those tarps om the roof.

The Oklahoma City bombing, 25 years later: The picture and the pain

Cassie of Sydney
September 16, 2023 8:25 am

“Yes. Or at least are deluded with convictions in a fantasy world.”

I think the latter, Dot.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 16, 2023 8:27 am

…on the roof.

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2023 8:30 am

Anyone who thinks 2600 kg of ANFO can’t damage but not destroy a moderately sized commercial building used for white-collar work is a bit fruity.

The explosive power of that bomb is nearly that of four “2000 lb” Mk 84 bombs filled with 429 kg of TNT/aluminium powder.

One of those could sink an aircraft carrier with one direct hit.

Trickler, you’re not qualified to comment, just take it on the chin along with the diarrhoea.

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 16, 2023 8:31 am

Maybe Dove soap is next on the boycott list.
Surprised Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition didn’t get her gracing the cover.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 8:32 am

How about a warning Black Ball.
FFS.

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2023 8:35 am

…on the roof.

This is nothing like what you described. In either case, it proves nothing.

“There was a tarp there, so it means they used a DEW.”

You do not have normal thoughts.

Normal thoughts would be:

1. Prevent rainwater from washing away any forensic evidence or remains.
2. Give shade or shelter to recovery workers.
3. Hide dead bodies from public view not recovered for safety reasons.

If I have a tarp on my roof, how do you KNOW I’m not secretly controlling the weather and global boiling?

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2023 8:35 am

The absolute state of western women.

Chris
Chris
September 16, 2023 8:36 am

Perhaps Dove intend to render their new acquisition down in lye…

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 8:36 am

Anyone who thinks 2600 kg of ANFO can’t damage but not destroy a moderately sized commercial building used for white-collar work is a bit fruity.

Mythbusters did an episode on this.
The ANFO explosion was the most violent, destructive of all the tests they did.
Youtube is your friend.

Cassie of Sydney
September 16, 2023 8:36 am

Reading the old fred from last night, I am comforted by Lizzie’s comment that there were NO spruikers in Double Bay. Fabbo!

JC asked about Wentworth, and if Spender remains popular. There are some YES signs on people’s homes (not many) however I can attest that these few homes that have the YES posters on them had, prior to last year’s election, Allegra da big Spenda posters on them. Do I think Spender remains popular? She’s still has her loyal cartel of wealthy middle aged and older women, but do I think she’ll win again? Nup. Just like I don’t think many of the Teals will win again. I think Ryan, Tink, Chaney and Daniel will be gone, I’m not sure about Steggall. I think a lot of the Teal phenomenon was a protest against Scumbag’s inept government, a government that stood for nothing.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 16, 2023 8:37 am

People that think DEW’s don’t exist probably watch MAFS and the MSM news at 6… add breaky TV to the equation.

Add Sky News to the mix.

Have they really focused on the Bio-Tech jabs?

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 16, 2023 8:37 am

Justine Castreau’s sword and shield

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 16, 2023 8:38 am

We haven’t had steel columns being vaporised so far today. I feel lost.

Cassie of Sydney
September 16, 2023 8:39 am

“In the aftermath of the 2016 Brexit referendum, which saw the UK vote to leave the EU, then UK prime minister David Cameron, who had led the case to remain, resigned.”

David Cameron had some principles.

Sleazy from Soshul Housing has no principles.

Big difference.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 16, 2023 8:39 am

Mythbusters did an episode on this.

Wow.

Chris
Chris
September 16, 2023 8:40 am

Steve we haven’t had contrails this week. Are you up for it?

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2023 8:40 am

Steve trickler
Sep 16, 2023 8:37 AM

^$@*ing hell you are dumb.

Are you a NEET or on DSP? NDIS?

Chris
Chris
September 16, 2023 8:41 am

GreyRanga, I yield to your priority.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 16, 2023 8:41 am

GreyRanga
Sep 16, 2023 8:38 AM
We haven’t had steel columns being vaporised so far today. I feel lost.

If you think the imagery was fake just say so.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 16, 2023 8:42 am

Maybe Dove soap is next on the boycott list.

At least she’s female. But Dove will now have to dye their famously white soap black. And the cakes of soap will be round instead of svelt.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 16, 2023 8:42 am

A “modest proposal” would be a simple recognition indigenous peoples in the preamble to the constitution, anything else places a question mark in our core institutional document that can only be answered by the High Court.
As much as judges would like to run the nation, they should at all times be constrained by the will of the democratic parliament. Labor would happily cede that responsibility to the unelected judiciary.
A judge would sign away unencumbered land tenure with little concern for consequence if they thought it would place them in the legal annals as a progressive reformer.
Practical cynics vote No.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 16, 2023 8:43 am

The campaign hots up, and it’s massive money and celebrity vs grass roots people power. All hands to mill.

Liberal and Nationals divisions across the country have agreed to co-ordinate resources with the No campaign and boost volunteer stocks, as Yes23 launches a nationwide advertising blitz to claw back voters ahead of the ­October 14 voice referendum.

In a major boost for the No campaign, The Weekend Australian can reveal that all Liberal Party state divisions and the Nationals have pledged to actively support members who volunteer and hand out on referendum day and at pre-poll booths.

With Yes23 boasting around 40,000 volunteers – bolstered by union and ALP members – the number of No volunteers is now expected to be significantly higher than the 15,000 anti-voice supporters who have already pledged to hand out and actively campaign at polling booths.

Amid rising pressure on Anthony Albanese to provide more detail about how a constitutionally enshrined voice to parliament and executive government would close the gap for Indigenous Australians, Yes23 will blanket airwaves from Saturday with a new campaign ad push.

The ad, running across TV, print, radio and digital platforms, features a young Indigenous child asking simple questions about whether a voice would mean better opportunities for him in areas including health, education and employment.

Yes23 will stage mass walks in more than 40 capital cities and regional towns on the weekend, marking the campaign’s biggest show of force. Paul Kelly, Midnight Oil frontman Peter Garrett, Bernard Fanning, Missy Higgins, Spiderbait and Dan Sultan will perform at the Yes23 events, which are expected to attract tens of thousands of supporters.

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2023 8:43 am

Let me guess.

Mythbusters faked the ANFO test, they actually used a DEW and one of Joe Vialls’ mini-nukes.

Actually blowing up 2600 kg of ANFO and testing how powerful it is, isn’t real science.

What can replace real science, is reading stuff on the internet and assuming the most ridiculous conclusion is the most obvious, despite never having to explain the lack of feasibility or any actual evidence.

I’m done.

Tom
Tom
September 16, 2023 8:43 am

…the inner-city Left — “a pity party for the ages”, as one Labor activist described it…

Give that man (or chickybabe) a cigar!

Brilliant.

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2023 8:44 am

At least she’s female.

Not for long.

Soon she will be dead.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 16, 2023 8:44 am

How about a warning Black Ball.
FFS.

Use Dove soap and look like this. Hmmm. No thanks.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 8:45 am

I watched some of the Baris livestream this morning.
On every measure that Baris looks at, Trump is in a stronger position when polls were taken over the past two weeks than at any other stage since he officially announced his candidacy in 2015.

He’s like Obi Wan.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 16, 2023 8:47 am

The 911 steel columns getting zapped has many people in quandary.

Good.

calli
calli
September 16, 2023 8:48 am

The Dove soap lady promoting “fat liberation”.

I think she’s a particularly high achiever in her chosen field. And, being not overly discriminatory, has liberated tonnes of sad, enslaved sugar along with fat from the fridge.

A true hero.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 8:49 am

Liberal and Nationals divisions across the country have agreed to co-ordinate resources with the No campaign and boost volunteer stocks, as Yes23 launches a nationwide advertising blitz to claw back voters ahead of the ­October 14 voice referendum.

What a pack of beta’s.
Only after the hard work was done did they organise like this.
Simp-life.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 8:51 am

The Libs organise for the No vote now.
The referendum is in the home straight.
Not the Flemington one.
The Moonee Valley one.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 16, 2023 8:52 am

Whatever did the Romans do for us?

How often do men think about ancient Rome? Quite frequently, it seems (15 Sep)

A new social media trend prompting women to ask the men in their lives how often they think about ancient Rome reveals that it crosses the minds of many men on a weekly basis. Even daily. Or more — to the surprise and confusion of their loved ones.

“Three times a day,” answered one woman’s fiancé in a TikTok video. “There’s so much to think about,” he explained, eliciting a stunned look into the camera from his soon-to-be wife.

It seems to elude the Washington Post and other hand-wringers about toxic masculinity why women might have hit upon this question for prospective dates: Fondness for ancient Rome is likely a good proxy for the kind of old-fashioned masculinity

But before you put on that armour and helmet you should bulk up.

Physically Strong Men Seen as More Conservative, University Study Finds (15 Sep)

A recent study conducted at the University of Arkansas finds that men with heightened physical strength are perceived as more conservative by others.

The study found that men who seem fit and healthy and have some bulk are considered right-wing, while thin or svelte and weak-looking men were not assumed to lean right.

Now you know why all those male protesters from Just Stop Oil look so weedy. Not a single true Roman among the lot of them.

calli
calli
September 16, 2023 8:53 am

I saw the Farnham tracked Yes ad last night.

It featured KRudd, along with a lot of fast moving, unidentifiable vignettes.

A sure winner.

Dot
Dot
September 16, 2023 8:55 am

Zoom in as far as you like.

comment image

There was nothing suspicious at the Murrah building.

It’s not as if McVeigh didn’t have sympathy for his reasons, despite going about it in a horribly misguided and evil manner.

Out of any incident to chalk up to a nefarious conspiracy committed by “unknown” forces, this has to be the stupidest one of all.

He was angry about progressive liberalism and thought he was getting a raw deal. He saw Reno and Clinton as authoritarian after Ruby Ridge. Some of his complaints were somewhat valid. Three other people were prosecuted and there was a fifth white supremacist who evaded an indictment but was likely involved.

The motives were clear and there is no evidence of any lunatic fringe theory being valid.

If you want to be angry, get angry about Operation Sea Spray, MK Ultra, Air America, Iran Contra or pallets of cash for Tehran.

I’m off to the (XXXX) garden now, too much silliness for one month thus far.

Tom
Tom
September 16, 2023 8:57 am

He’s like Obi Wan.

Bern, American Joe Everyman understands that the party in power persecuting the opposition party’s candidate is extremely dangerous for the USA. Hence the polls. It’s not just a party-political issue.

The USA is now a banana republic and Joe Biden is the 21st century figurehead of the Ku Klux Klan.

Johnny Rotten
September 16, 2023 8:57 am

My sentiments exactly re downticking, Roger.

They are down thumbs and not down ticks. Spec Savers do do check ups.

Cassie of Sydney
September 16, 2023 8:57 am

“Dot
Sep 16, 2023 8:55 AM”

Yep. Well said.

Pogria
Pogria
September 16, 2023 8:58 am

The Mail has the latest tv ad and article about the Yes campaign.
Going for the “tugging at the heartstrings”. Too bad they can’t find a literate, cute, Fullblood child for the ad.

This whole Voice business really is about fencing off the fullbloods as Zoo exhibits, while the white coffee bloods rake in the profits.

eric hinton
eric hinton
September 16, 2023 8:59 am

Paul Kelly, Midnight Oil frontman Peter Garrett, Bernard Fanning, Missy Higgins

Whatever happened to my rock and roll?

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 9:00 am

I’m anti the death penalty.
I am comfortable being a hypocrite when it came to McVeigh.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 16, 2023 9:00 am

Dot
Sep 16, 2023 8:55 AM

MSM gobbler.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 16, 2023 9:01 am

Use Dove soap, look like this. hmmm. No thanks.

I’ll stick with Imperial Leather. We haven’t had a re-run of this for a while.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 16, 2023 9:02 am

My prediction is that NO will defeat YES by about 60/40.

If true, it tells us that about 40% of the population are unthinking fatheads. But we already knew that.

Makka
Makka
September 16, 2023 9:05 am

This whole Voice business really is about fencing off the fullbloods as Zoo exhibits, while the white coffee bloods rake in the profits.

It’s about creating a Black Hole , sucking in yuuge amounts of our GDP that can be exploited forever by maates, luvvies and arts degree grads. Careers, lives, generations of parasitic nirvana funded from OPM. A lifestyle of Marxist bliss returning tens of millions of votes at each and every local, state and federal election.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 9:05 am

Ruby Ridge.
The FBI shot the family dog.
That initiated the first reaction.

Michael Malice used to go on how US law enforcement used shooting dogs as a way to escalate a response.
His line was that US law enforcement shot more pets than they stopped rapes.
Sickening stuff.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 16, 2023 9:05 am

The Moonee Valley one.

If the Yes case aren’t up with the leaders at the turn they’re toast.
BTW
Upcoming bush champion Steparty will run again in the Caulfield Guineas Prelude.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 16, 2023 9:05 am
Pogria
Pogria
September 16, 2023 9:07 am

Lizzie,
I used Imperial Leather for decades. Good soap.
I prefer the original ad. 😀

Jorge
Jorge
September 16, 2023 9:07 am

I think there needs to be a balance of humility, reflection and optimism,” the minister said.

After every failed election the ALP appoints someone to do a review. Was it John Brumby who read the last rites for Shorten ?

Humility and reflection are not on the agenda. It’s always ‘we wuz robbed’.

This time there will be rage and acrimony but not for Albo. Racists like Dutton will be the target.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 16, 2023 9:08 am

This whole Voice business really is about fencing off the fullbloods as Zoo exhibits, while the white coffee bloods rake in the profits.

Pogria, that ad was also tone deaf as well as coffee-coloured.

The soulful little kid spoke in an accent straight out of an exclusive city private school most likely sent there by his well-off parents. He sounds nothing like the kids in remote and rural areas.

I also doubt whether his appeal to learn his own language is quite what ordinary Aussie well-wishers have in mind for remote tribal advancement. Very much an urban elite concern there, and as Gary Johns suggests, the lack of English is the major thing holding back kids in remote tribal areas.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 9:08 am

Upcoming bush champion Steparty will run again in the Caulfield Guineas Prelude.

I have him in my Ladbrokes alerts now Farmer Gez.

calli
calli
September 16, 2023 9:10 am

“Yes makes it possible”

Really? Has all the effort, money and good will by ordinary Aussies over the years been to no avail? Have the plethora of Councils, Commissions and Agencies run by aboriginals not been doing their jobs?

It already is possible. But the tentacle-like grasp of meaningless bureaucracy is doing its level best to make it impossible.

The so-called “modest proposal” won’t change this.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 16, 2023 9:12 am

I prefer the original ad. ?

Yes. Quite a trip down memory lane, that one.

With acme of all travel being a flight on the Concorde, the flying bomb.

calli
calli
September 16, 2023 9:12 am

Now I know what I’m doing wrong.

Dove soap is making me fat.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 16, 2023 9:14 am

ANFO is a lifting or excavation charge. Good for minerals mines oy quarrays and loosening overburden.

Mil grade explosives don’t have as great a heaving effect. Tend to pulverise anything within direct vicinity though.

Beautiful day. Off to the zoo soon.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 16, 2023 9:15 am

Now I know what I’m doing wrong.

Dove soap is making me fat.

Gentlemen wouldn’t understand, but I’ll bet all Kittehs spluttered coffee over their keyboards at that one, Calli. Classic take-out message.

What on earth has happened to advertising agencies? Lost their marbles, I think. Back in my day in ads such looney ideas as a ‘fattening Dove’ and a ‘feminizing Bud’ just wouldn’t have passed the creative team’s sniff test.

Indolent
Indolent
September 16, 2023 9:16 am
Black Ball
Black Ball
September 16, 2023 9:19 am

As Lizzie reminded us earlier, YES23 are ramping up their efforts to get the referendum passed. Thinking it will further sink the approval rating. People aren’t liking the shit rammed down their throats.
Just little things are also playing a part in this malaise. Just now morning Sunrise had a group of boys doing Aboriginal dancing and whatever. Advert for the Masked Singer, has a performer belting out Farnham’s ditty.
These are all adding up to a monumental flogging at the poll.

Makka
Makka
September 16, 2023 9:20 am

ANFO is a lifting or excavation charge. Good for minerals mines oy quarrays and loosening overburden.

I was living about 12km as the crow flies from the Khobar Towers bomb in KSA went it went off. The concussion wave blew my garage door off its tracks and dislodged a couple windows in their frames.

ANFO certainly does the job.

Indolent
Indolent
September 16, 2023 9:20 am
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 16, 2023 9:20 am

Albanese described the suggestion the Uluru Statement includes these sections as “absolute nonsense”, “a conspiracy theory” and like believing the moon landing was fake.

It is astounding how badly and childishly Albo and his mob argue. Scepticism of the Voice is like doubting the moon landing?

You would never hear such far fetched nonsense from the Libs – because they never stick to their guns. They flee a position before the outer layers wear down enough to expose principle.

Labor, on the other hand are different. Albo will stick to his gun firing away, even though it is pointed at the deck and each shot makes him sink even faster.

That said, Dutton has shown surprising feistiness. The first pollie of the major parties to openly talk about introducing nukyulah, and his decision to oppose the Voice. Can you imagine Trumble or Morro to put up with being called racist? He’s given Jacinta free rein against the Voice and has not abandoned her when she has been courageous.

Even his idea of a second referendum, while I think it unnecessary, shows strategic initiative: people thinking they must vote ‘Yes’ because, inter alia, it delivers an indigenous recognition that is what they care for (not a small cohort I suspect given the Yessers tend to have vague and woolly justifications for their choice).

And all the while Marcia, Albo, and Burney are peppering the decks amidst a shower of splinters, “BANG! BANG! BANG!”

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 9:23 am

Dover, I had this in mind.

“If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.”

Chris
Chris
September 16, 2023 9:24 am

“Three times a day,” answered one woman’s fiancé in a TikTok video. “There’s so much to think about,” he explained, eliciting a stunned look into the camera from his soon-to-be wife.

Three times a week for me. Three times a day is reserved for ancient Greek thought, sculpture, social organisation – and die-sinking.
I’m not cutting back to three times a week for anything.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 16, 2023 9:25 am

Mayo back there saying it will take generations more of this new oppression to get over the rejection if the Yes vote fails in this expensive and unnecessary Referendum.

Funny. It hasn’t taken generations to get over Australia’s ‘broken heart’ over the Referendum on the Republic. Done and dusted within a month, as I recall. If No wins it will all be forgotten about within six months max. The opportunity can also be taken immediately to do something positive for rural and remote communities.

Bluey
Bluey
September 16, 2023 9:25 am

Rockdoctor
Sep 16, 2023 9:14 AM
ANFO is a lifting or excavation charge. Good for minerals mines oy quarrays and loosening overburden.

Mil grade explosives don’t have as great a heaving effect. Tend to pulverise anything within direct vicinity though.

Beautiful day. Off to the zoo soon.

Stole my thunder there. ANFO tends to lift and push pretty well. It might not shatter a steel beam, but it’ll twist and tear it enough to break it and maybe throw it a fair distance if it gets loose.

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
September 16, 2023 9:26 am

What odds that the “Queen of the deplorables” tries to elbow herself to the front of the line as a running mate, (at least), in the upcoming US Election.

Biden, or some other corpse, is a shoe in, as electronic voting will be used, ….., due to the Emergency, of course.
So, if Madam Clinton is VP and Joe has an unfortunate accident, like O’Bummers cook for example, then once again, the world can bask in the august benevolence, that only the Clintons can provide.

Just a theory, a bit like the 9/11 fable, where three buildings are “collapsed” by two aircraft on Manhattan. The really odd part is, no steel framed buildings have EVER collapsed due fire, except for WTC North tower, WTC South tower and WTC Bldg 7.

This, even though other skyscrapers have burned for hours longer and not collapsed.
Nothing to see there serfs, ……., move along, no questions please!

Indolent
Indolent
September 16, 2023 9:26 am
Cassie of Sydney
September 16, 2023 9:27 am

I come from a family that only used and uses Imperial Leather.

Tis the only soap. Tis good soap.

Aaron
Aaron
September 16, 2023 9:27 am

“Advisory body” “Modest proposal” etc.

You can imagine the screams of “Racist” if the advice or proposals were rejected.

Nah. It’s a Trojan horse and the student activist has seen his legacy go down in flames.

“Power to the people indeed”.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 9:27 am

It bugs when a Group 1 race doesn’t have 8 runners.
Seriously.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 16, 2023 9:29 am

I think about the Romans weekly, sometimes more often.
Impressive robust chaps, empire builders.

I really should give the Greeks more of a go.
Idea men, mainly.

Cassie of Sydney
September 16, 2023 9:30 am

Tis Rosh Hashanah. Shana Tova.

Tom
Tom
September 16, 2023 9:30 am

What on earth has happened to advertising agencies?

They’re now run by hyper-idealistic Green-voting millenials using the advertising product to reimagine Australian society in the public imagination.

For example, you may have noticed that every second Australian consumer product ad — insurance, for example — now features a West Indian female.

It’s quite comical. In fact, modern Australian TV ads are a satire on advertising.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 16, 2023 9:31 am

that’s ideas, not ideal.
Though the Greek idealised the male body aesthetic.
A little too whoopsy at times for a red-blooded girl’s attention.

Cassie of Sydney
September 16, 2023 9:32 am

Whilst I think the YES campaign is going down the drain, I’m not going to do a Bolt and call it a win for NO…….yet.

I’ll wait for the night of 14 October 2023. If we win, fabulous, great, however if we lose, it’ll be lights out for this country….permanently.

Indolent
Indolent
September 16, 2023 9:33 am

Unfortunately, “flagging” in this case doesn’t mean running out of steam but bringing to attention.

flagging american extremism

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2023 9:34 am

Cassie, postal votes will be counted for the two weeks after the 14th.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 16, 2023 9:34 am

Nah. It’s a Trojan horse and the student activist has seen his legacy go down in flames.

Chickens and hatching, guys. We need to keep up the momentum for No.
We are living in dangerous times. The next few weeks are make or break.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 16, 2023 9:36 am

Actually, imagine if Australia attempted a moon landing in 1969 in that unionised environment. Constant sabotaging because the Soviets wanted to get there before anyone – look what the wharfie did in WW2 – ever mounting wage and condition demands, and an insistence design changes to maximise union control, and a refusal to demand any union member learn to do anything new in case somewhere down the track it make some other union jobs redundant.

We would have got something about 10m tall, looking like a hot water heater (not coincidentally either) covered in Eureka Stockade decals, bolted to the ground, with 20 astronauts at the top none of who know the first thing about aeronautics, astronautics, computers, physics, etc, but all paid up members.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2023 9:36 am

US Navy ditches recruitment campaign featuring a trannie after finding it was turning potential enlistees off joining.

Duh!

calli
calli
September 16, 2023 9:36 am

I come from a family that only used and uses Imperial Leather.

Tis the only soap. Tis good soap.

Rotters. I bet you’re all thin too.

And a happy, sweet New Year to you too.

You can eat all the sugar you like on account of the soap.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 16, 2023 9:38 am

Black ball.

Is dove producing a new ” soap on a stick” or ” rhoomba soap” range for the gravitationally blessed?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 16, 2023 9:40 am

Cassie, we anxiously await arrival of our postal votes.
We have a cunning plan for them.

At least the Amex renewal cards have finally appeared in the letterbox.
Don’t leave home without it was in doubt there till yesterday.

Meanwhile, the African invasion of Italy continues apace.
Will report back here how Italians are coping with it.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2023 9:40 am

Another “duh!” moment:

Peer reviewed study [Nurse Education in Practice, Sept, 2023] finds prolonged wearing of face masks decreases cognitive function and increases reaction time, shortness of breath & fatigue.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 16, 2023 9:43 am

Is dove producing a new ” soap on a stick” or ” rhoomba soap” range for the gravitationally blessed?

Now there’s a marketing opportunity that might retrieve the campaign.

A ‘niche’ market. Imagine: large lady, small shower space, dropped soap.
It doesn’t bear thinking on.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 16, 2023 9:43 am

In Teh Weekend Paywallian it looks like Mavis has been giving the kneepads a workout with another Keating interview. It really is quite unseemly.

Chris
Chris
September 16, 2023 9:44 am

A little too whoopsy at times for a red-blooded girl’s attention

Ngggg! DARN! Chipped a nail in my frustration.

bons
bons
September 16, 2023 9:45 am

My neighbour banged on my door when I got back to town this morning.
I had shown him one of the Cats more artful responses to Yes door knockers. (“How familiar are you with remote communities; what are your views on the land councils and not individuals receiving and controlling funding…etc”).
He was thrilled. Stopped them cold and then indulged himself by telling them that they were just Labor drones.
Well done Cats.

Indolent
Indolent
September 16, 2023 9:45 am

Lab Report discovers Graphene in the Covid-19 Vaccines; & Scientists believe the Vaccinated are transmitting it to the Unvaccinated

Four vaccine vials were the subject of the investigation.

Two Moderna samples, and 1 AstraZeneca, and 1 Pfizer sample were collected for examination in order to analyse the contents and identify if undeclared components were present in them.

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 16, 2023 9:45 am

only used and uses Imperial Leather.

Have you been to Tahiti?

Aaron
Aaron
September 16, 2023 9:47 am

“I’ll wait for the night of 14 October 2023. If we win, fabulous, great, however if we lose, it’ll be lights out for this country….permanently”.

“Lights out”?

That’s Bowen’s dept and probably coming either way.

As Mencken said: ” Give ’em what they want. Good and hard”.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 16, 2023 9:49 am

The Space Laser that vaporised the steel columns was powered by the immense intellectual intelligence of Contrail experts. No need for a small nucular power supply. Either that or a big Energiser bunny battery. How does a big bloke like me turn around in a rabbbit hole? It seems crowded in hare. Ha!

Crossie
Crossie
September 16, 2023 9:49 am

eric hinton
Sep 16, 2023 8:59 AM
Paul Kelly, Midnight Oil frontman Peter Garrett, Bernard Fanning, Missy Higgins

Whatever happened to my rock and roll?

I prefer the 60s and early 70s rock, it safer that way as most of them are dead and unlikely to start spouting crap.

Roger
Roger
September 16, 2023 9:52 am

Someone’s been hit with a cluebat:

The General Secretary of fourth largest union in the UK (Labour affiliated GMB) this week said Net Zero was devastating working class communities:

“The renewables lobby is very wealthy and powerful. I think people on the Left, for good intentions, have got hoodwinked into a lot of this.”

The promised green jobs have not materialised, he also said, with renewables infrastructure being manufactured in Asia, not Britain.

Meanwhile, an engineer in the UK domestic heating sector has warned that the ban on gas & oil heaters means those who can’t afford a heat pump will be unable to heat their homes when their current appliances need replacing.

shatterzzz
September 16, 2023 9:54 am

Linda Burney experiences “racism” in Parliament .. she doesn’t have a clue! ..
let me explain some REAL gummint racism .. In 1980 I moved into, just built, new, “Houso” with 4 kids, 2 under 5, 2 in primary .. The house on occupation was just that a house, 4 walls, a roof and the basics, water, electricity & gas (deposit required to turn gas/electric on) .. the backgarden, which is bigger than some small parks in this area was a building waste rubbish tip .. the contractor(s) had dun no clean-up or landscaping front/back .. that was left to me to hire skips and do the manual work, buy soil, grass seed ect ..
NSW HC response was, “Consider yourself lucky you’ve got a roof over your head” .. They practised sublety in gummint depts. way back then ..!
Back to the interior .. everything, at least, worked but no internal cables for TV antenna, not even light bulbs so more expense .. on top of the cost of an antenna (fair enuf , I suppose) I also had to buy the cabling, climb into the roof and do it all ….. but worse was to come ……
telephone! .. the builder/Housing hadn’t contacted Telecom to install street cabling so the whole estate had no phone access .. it took 3 months to get Telecom to dig up all the newly laid driveways and lay their street cables cos NSW Housing, originally, didn’t want to foot the bill until the boat-folk squealed to their do-gooder maaates, that is! ..
But! .. Telecom baulked at the into-premise extensions so according to Housing, “Tuff luck! you payz for that”. At the time the cost to run a phone line into the premises was around $400 .. money I didn’t have so we had no phone for 12 months until I could manage to scrape the money together ……
What surprised me most in the beginning was that we seemed to be the only family that was battling to get all the odds and sods Housing had ignored into place yet I had a job whils tall around me were on CentreLink.. everyone around me were SE Asian boat-folk, supposedly just arriving, yet they all had paid wukkas out doing gardens, telephones installed within a fortnight of cabling and even commercial TV/antenna installers ……….!
I wasn’t aware for several months that because they were boat-folk NSW Housing had paid for everything they needed doing and .. apologised for the inconveniences that they had had to put up with! … FFS! .. but me, being WHITE, no one gave a damn because, of course back in the 1980s it wasn’t considered “racist” to prioritize & fund boat-folk over the rest of us it was accepted, tho on-the- quiet, procedure ……….!
Still I should be thankful that I’m not in Parliament .. all those nasty words and gestures/looks make my recollections pale into insignificance …
I roolly, rooly feelz for Linda and the terribly hurty experiences and her only earning $300K + freebies as comfort …….

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