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The USA jobs market is Australia’s on steroids. Eighty per cent of new hires in Australia are in government jobs…
re the Old/New names for Australian infrastructure and assets- -notice how there’s no clamour to rename the Great Sandy Desert,…
Doesn’t exactly inspire trust and confidence. Two tier law enforcement again.
I posted a video from some Brit that you immediately trashed with your usual ad hominem garbageMy first comment, Imagine…
Pogs – she was acting up a storm in this film about a li’l Wussian devotchka forced into a life of sex and violence … 😕
BoN – in a veritable sea of bad news, that has made my day 🙂
Andrew Bolt: Why Ray Martin’s Channel 7 appearance on the Voice debate is absurd
Ray Martin’s appearance on Channel 7’s the Voice panel debate as a hand-picked “Aborigine”, because his great-great-grandmother was Indigenous, exemplifies the stupidity of the Yes case.
Andrew Bolt
Ray Martin hasn’t just called No voters “dickheads” and “dinosaurs”.
On Sunday night this media dinosaur also showed why the Voice is a dickhead idea.
There he was on Channel 7 as a hand-picked “Aborigine”, arguing for Labor’s planned advisory parliament for just the Aboriginal race. For Ray’s race.
Does this former TV star realise what damage he’s doing to the Yes campaign just a week from the vote?
Martin’s abuse of No voters was vote-losing enough, after the Prime Minister had him speak at a Marrickville rally.
Talk about the arrogance of the Yes campaign. Martin insisted No supporters were dumb if they didn’t ask for details of this Voice, but also dumb if they did.
I kid you not. He blasted the No campaign’s slogan “if you don’t know, vote No”, saying anyone who repeated it was either “a dinosaur or a dickhead who can’t be bothered reading”, snapping: “If you don’t know, find out what you don’t know.”
Yet in literally the next breath, he suggested you’d be a dickhead to expect any detail on how this Voice would work.
“The No vote organisers also keep asking Albo for the details. What about the details? At this stage of the game, the details simply don’t matter.”
But what Martin agreed to next made him an even bigger symbol of the stupidity of the Voice.
He signed up for Channel 7’s big debate on Sunday on the Voice, alongside Nationals senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, race-baiting Senator Lidia Thorpe and Labor Senator Malarndirri McCarthy.
Already you’ll wonder: why did Channel 7 add Martin, a white-faced superannuated TV presenter from decades ago?
Because he’s Aboriginal, too, said the debate’s producer, the talented Rob McKnight: “From the beginning, we made the decision that it had to be Indigenous Australians on the panel. We didn’t want white people talking for them.”
Pardon? Martin isn’t white?
Sure, the other panellists qualify as Aboriginal, in a way, although all also have white ancestry.
Price has an Aboriginal mother, as well as a white father. McCarthy has an Aboriginal mother, as well as a white father. Thorpe has a mother of Aboriginal and Scottish ancestry, as well as a white father.
Close enough, I guess. But Martin?
Well, as he once discussed on Who Do You Think You Are?, among Martin’s Irish ancestors was an Aboriginal great-great grandmother, Bertha, a fact he declared “important”.
To be fair, Martin doesn’t go around identifying as Aboriginal, yet his single Aboriginal great-great-grandparent was important enough for Channel 7 to choose him as an “Indigenous man”, and not one of those “white people talking for them” in a debate about changing our constitution to divide Australians by race.
That raises two huge questions about this Voice.
First, of course, what is an Aborigine, after generations of intermarriage? Is Martin, for instance, really Aboriginal in any meaningful way?
Just one of his 16 great-great grandparents was Aboriginal, so why does that one define Martin more than the other 15? Why does that one great-great-grandparent privilege him in a debate, or qualify him to be represented by a Voice to Parliament in the constitution – unlike anyone of any other “race”?
What an insult to our individuality to assign people to a victim race because of a single ancestor 150 years ago or even more.
There’s another big question about Ray the Aborigine.
Check again that Channel 7 panel of Aborigines discussing this Voice that we’re told will finally give Aborigines a, well, Voice.
Don’t these four people all have a huge Voice already? Three are senators in our national parliament, including Price, now touted as a potential prime minister. The fourth is one of the most famous TV journalists of his time. Millions and millions of other Australians will never have a Voice as loud as any of these Aborigines have already.
Do we really need a Voice that treats all Aborigines as uniquely voiceless? Uniquely powerless and victimised? How racist. What a grotesque and damaging caricature.
Absurdity piles on absurdity. Ray Martin, this Aborigine chosen by Channel 7 to speak for other Aborigines, could technically be one of the 24 people selected to represent other Aborigines on the Voice.
How mad to divide us by race so crudely that even a Ray Martin could get a Voice in the constitution to speak for him, but not for the 97 per cent of Australians who don’t also have a great-great-grandmother of the “right” race.
What dickhead thought that made sense?
Herald-Sun
Anna was hotter as a brunette.
Discuss, Cats.
Rabz – A friend of mine was endlessly hot for Stevie, but I’ve always liked Christine McVie’s vocals better.
Say You Love Me (1976)
Sadly Christine is no longer with us, she went to the great gig in the sky last year.
So the Bidency has siphoned off ammo and weapons to Ukraine from stocks ALREADY in Israel?
While supplying money and a pat on the head to those who would wipe Israel off the map.
Biden has more blood on his hands.
Easy Mo B and Miles Davis, Cats! 🙂
Crossie,
I am looking a little further than the outcome of this conflict.
Remove a source of grievance and you remove leverage that might be used against you in the future. Build on the outright distaste that has been shown in reaction to the vile acts done to Israeli citizens. Show yourselves to be morally superior in every way.
Vengeance might feel good in the now but it rarely works out long term.
I am a big fan of Anne-Marie Waters, she’s uploaded this in the last hour, on Israel….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIVcjhrgh2Q
Do trannies have “Woman Face”?
Err, there are other reasons?
“Vengeance might feel good in the now but it rarely works out long term.”
Maybe, but turning the other cheek rarely works out in the long term either.
There’s a time for vengeance, and a time for justice. Israel will have both.
Brunette of course.
La Femme Nikita: Restaurant (1990)
Great movie. SBS had it on once and it was mesmerising.
WHICH “civilian population “?
Mirren has Russian heritage if I’m not mistaken.
3 dicks need wanking ?
… why don’t you just proceed straight to the usual 3 way reach around?
She was an under rated presence in the Mac.
I’m presuming only Stevie and the Buckingham are still with us?
Interesting post, Cassie, thank you.
Ray Martin is the MC Hammer of Australian Current Affairs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo
You assume one thing not in evidence, that they think as we do or that they would appreciate the gesture. It’s more likely to make them think they were right to attack, the Israelis not retaliating would indicate that they were in the wrong.
A proud Mosman man.
What…Ray is initiated?
Time to call a halt to this nonsense.
The media routinely refers to individuals as a proud this or that “man” or “woman” when their own indigenous ancestors would not recognise them as such becaue they are not initiated.
As for the individuals who claim such status without the ritual scars to prove it (99.99% of them, I suspect), how is that different in principle from stolen valour?
Helen Mirren was born with the surname Mironoff due to a Russian father. So, yes, her heritage is half Russian.
Cassie –
When it comes to turning the other cheek, that is only valid on a personal level, not a societal one. What I am suggesting is that with a little (well-publicised) restraint and obvious efforts to avoid civilian casualties, the same destruction of Hamas could be achieved but without the collateral damage that is so beloved by Muslims and anti-Semites everywhere as a source of ongoing proprganda.
We all know that the Israelis are far smarter than their opposition in this conflict. Now is the time to show it.
Crossie
Oct 8, 2023 8:28 PM
I think Luzu takes this forgiveness spiel a little too far.
If it makes her happy, fine with me, but the real world does not now, nor ever worked on this principle.
Sanctimonious sentiments, mostly.
Remove a source of grievance and you remove leverage that might be used against you in the future.
The source of grief for these Hamas animals is that there are Jews.
Until there are no more Jews they will feel aggrieved.
Quite a fair comment. I’ve seen a “full blood”, baring his scars to two “yellafellas.”
“Here’s my initiation marks. Here’s where I took the law. Where’s yours?”
At least Shaq was blak.
It’s not different at all.
Classic covers.
?Gypsy?Fleetwood Mac ~ by Rumours of Fleetwood Mac ~ Extended edition video
You misconstrue Jesus’ meaning.
He wasn’t referring to the foreign policy of modern nations, but interpersonal relations in a shame-dignity based, hierarchical culture.
And the eponymous Mick, of course.
You all seem to be forgetting that this conflict is taking place on the world stage. And, Gabor, you can pat me on the head later as you know nothing about my opinion on the topics of forgiveness and justice.
What I am calling for is wisdom. That is not the same as forgiving the perpetrators of these atrocities or saying they should be allowed to escape without consequence.
What I am saying is that the total levelling of Gaza or turning the region into a sea of glass is counter-productive.
Do I wish all those involved in killing Israelis suffer a real world consequence? Yes. I firmly believe in justice.
Do I wish to see the Hamas leadership/political structure/powerbase removed from existence? Yes.
Do I see as the indiscriminate killing of Palestinian civilians as achieving those aims? No.
Remember: There are alliances, both real and potential, between Saudi Arabia, Israel and other Muslim nations that will be jeopardised if the domestic populations in those countries can be stirred up by what they see as the slaughter of their Muslim brothers and sisters.
Do not give a single reason for those leverages to be used. Be wise.
Luzu
The propaganda will be disseminated anyway. Note the inevitable “ambulance bombed by evil “Jooooos” has already made its appearance. Pallywood has much experience of making bogus films of dead children (often the same “dead” child appears in multiple locations.
Tha latter’s most legendary ditty:
“Well, I like big buttocks and I cannot be purveying untruths, I tells ya!“
And, yes, it is definitely unfair that Israel seems to be held to a higher standard.
But you know what? Life is unfair. Adapt. Adjust. And thrive.
That is what Israel’s history since 1948 has shown me they can do.
Hamas’ overreach today (that poor woman brutalised by them was also very photogenic and they showed a contempt towards her corpse that is sickening to most people) has given Israel a platform to showcase to the world exactly who they are dealing with. Killing grown men who indulge in such things is going to be seen as entirely just.
Littel corpses dragged out of rubble not so much.
The propaganda will be disseminated anyway
Correct. There is NO propaganda war for Israel to win. None. Their position, as always, is existential. Time to nuke iran.
Sir Mixalot.
Sir Mixalot preferred large derrieres, not MC H.
What I am calling for is wisdom.
It is wise to use this opportunity to wipe out as many of the Hamas apes as possible.
And increase the buffer zone between Israel & Gaza.
FMD, Bernardi and Flint earnestly discussing the major contribution lighting up the Sydney Opera House will do for Israel. Fuking light up Tehran.
First comes survival.
It’s pointless arguing about morality when you’re dead.
That doesn’t mean morality has no place in war, but it’s necessary to prioritize your actions.
Freeze, flee, fight.
Moral superiority is a luxury, not a basic need.
Hamas deliberately place civilians in harm’s way.
There will inevitably be collateral damage.
Iirc they used to force young boys to dig their tunnels, any resulting death was a ‘martyrdom’.
They are also claiming no Israeli civilian casualties, all are apparently ‘settlers’ and therefore legitimate targets.
Apparently two Thai Nationals are among the murdered, I suppose Hamas will being saying sorry about that.
BJ,
One cannot influence the minds of people who cannot receive new information.
But I have been on X all day and there are a lot of people revolted by what Hamas themselves have broadcast. Some sympathy for what might be termed the Palestinian cause has been lost. As has any tolerance towards those in the West who demand that we “Free Palestine”.
The actions of Hamas (egged on by the rather vile but also emboldened Iranians) have simply brought into the light what Israel always said they were fighting.
I do have hope that many eyes have been opened by what Hamas have bragged about.
Ex Iran, there must be a growing proportion of the Arab population that is sick of being economically handicapped due to religious gripes.
Remember the old joke?
“What’s black and charred, and glows in the dark?
“Downtown Tehran , the day after Ronald Reagan is sworn in as President.”
Israel’s existence is not threatened at this time. They are militarily superior in every way.
I am not sure why I have to keep bringing this point up but Israel is on a tightrope right now. As unfair as it seems that this calculation should be placed on a nation whose citizens have been slaughtered, do not fight back to a point where the Arab nations around you feel political pressure from their domestic populations to ‘do something’. Surely we have all seen the pro-Palestinian demonstrations taking place in various Islamic nations enough to understand the domestic vs international political calculations?
Exterminate Hamas. Do the entire world a favour. Just make it look like a gift to the long suffering Palestinian people at the same time.
If any nation can achieve that, it is Israel.
KD – for goodness’ sake …
https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-calls-israel-palestinians-cease-fire-2023-10-07/
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The same Russia that has been fighting pretend Nazis in Ukraine while being perfectly happy to sit down and have friendly chats with the genuine actual Israeli killing Nazis from Hamas. I’m so, so sure they are genuine in their concerns for the region.
Palestinians will be free if they were Israeli citizens – or at least liberated from Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah.
Despite any discrimination they might face, you would much rather be an Arab Israeli than a Gazan or West Banker.
Oh Dear. Hilderbrand on Bernardi passionality demanding sanctions against any Australians who support Hamas barbarism.
Errr Joe, They are the Australians who you support every day.
Reality —-Lefty —- furkit!
Crossie,
totally agree with you about Obama. I have never believed he had the smarts to be the “Brains Trust”, behind the string pulling of the Biden Presidency. He was so obviously a Manchurian candidate himself. Talk about “dumb as a box”.
The Golda you are thinking of is A woman Called Golda, a mini series from the early eighties starring Ingrid Bergman as Golda. See if you can find a copy of it. Well worth watching.
As for your thoughts on wiping out the Pallys, absolutely. As someone stated earlier in this thread, go Roman on them. Wipe them out, salt the earth so that vile creed will not raise its poisonous presence for a thousand years.
I am a small farmer, to me, the sand apes are like Blackberries. You have to be vigilant, you have to burn them, chop them and poison them. If you stay on top of them, you will succeed in eradicating them. NEVER become complacent. Another analogy is feral animals. Ooooh, look at the babies, aren’t they sweeeeeeet. Sure, but feed them, look after them and they will still kill your chooks and spread disease.
“Well, I like magnifique bottomages and I cannot be purveying untruths, I tells ya!“
Let’s Go!
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Trickler
Have you got any Mr Horsepower merch? It looks cool, I might get some soon.
Cohenite –
You received my first ever downtick. How easily you speak of dropping a nuclear weapon on other human beings. It makes me feel sick when people speak lightly about mass extermination.
Think of it this way. Every human being values their own life as much as you do yours. Would you be so glib if it were your life that hung in the balance?
what’s the matter KD?
… you waiting for reinforcements?
… run out of original thoughts?
… busy calculating Keno odds like they change every time you drop a dollar?
… can’t work out how to use your VPN?
Let’s Go!
“You misconstrue Jesus’ meaning.
He wasn’t referring to the foreign policy of modern nations, but interpersonal relations in a shame-dignity based, hierarchical culture.”
Well indeed, Roger. I was referring to how the left misconstrue the notion of “turning the other cheek”. The insist that Israel alone should turn the other cheek. NO. I actually do believe there’s a time and a place for turning the other cheek, however the events in Israel are not one of those times. There’s a time for war and a time for peace.
As it happens Catweazle, I’m watching the crikkit, was on the phone and I’m now chatting to some other people.
I’ll let you know should the fridge need closing.
I’m okay for reinforcements, God Oracle. Thanks for asking, sweetie.
Squire! Hope you and the family are well.
Interesting post, Cassie, thank you.”
Anne-Marie Waters is a lesbian and a lawyer from Northern England. I would describe her politics as traditionally “Social Democrat”. She was silenced and cancelled years ago, along with Tommy and Katie. She’s been smeared as a racist, all because she calls out Islamic terrorism, she wants a cap on Islamic immigration, FGM and so on. She founded the party “For Britain”, which she dissolved last year.
Dot
Oct 8, 2023 9:13 PM
Trickler
Have you got any Mr Horsepower merch? It looks cool, I might get some soon.
No.
Cassie –
You used the ‘turn the other cheek’ idea as a way to say that Israel should not forgive the atrocities of the past day. As both Roger and I both pointed out, those words were never meant to be be used by an entire population but on an individual level. Who gives a rat’s a**e what leftist atheists say those words mean?
And, yes, your quoting of Ecclesiastes is apt. But it is the manner of how that war is conducted that interests me. Israel has a unique opportunity to both exact justice and show the world exactly who they are expected to sue for peace with. Not many people like seeing children and grandmothers taken hostage.
Their parents probably chanted “Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh – the N.L.F. is gunna win.”
The United States just gave $6 billion to Iran to finance the genuine actual Israeli killing Nazis from Hamas, Arky.
Not Russia. The neocons.
The same neocons who started the war in Europe.
You cannot rehabilitate the moronic lost war in Ukraine by citing Russia’s undoubtedly idiotic anti-West pivot vis-a-vis Israel.
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Bloke.
All is good aside from the evil of the times.
Gave you one of these newly fangled thumbs ups.
Good to see you, though, Arkster.
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One of my favourites.
Of course
“Think of it this way. Every human being values their own life as much as you do yours. Would you be so glib if it were your life that hung in the balance?”
Luzu,
most human beings certainly value their own lives. Hamas, Pally’s et al, are quite happy to sacrifice the lives of others whom they profess to love, their own children. Witness the fact they hide their monstrous cabals in Hospitals, schools and kindergartens.
Golda herself stated there would never be peace in the Middle East until the Arabs love their children more than they love War.
This thread is showing signs it may to devolve into the “Yes, but”, phase.
eg, I believe in Free Speech, BUT…
I really don’t get the win here for Russia other than achieving even more downticks.
Israel has remained neutral in the war anyway.
What a nice guy.
Dmitry Medvedev, Russia’s former leader, called today for a civil war in the US, as he said a civil war would be the only thing that could stop “America’s manic passion for sparking conflicts everywhere on the planet”.
Dot
I recall when Dimitri was citing Hayek and von Mises as the guys to follow economically. Funny, thinking about that now.
What a greasy turd.
Dmitry Medvedev, Russia’s former leader, called today for a civil war in the US, as he said a civil war would be the only thing that could stop “America’s manic passion for sparking conflicts everywhere on the planet”.
Medvedev wrote on Telegram:
**The outbreak of fighting between Hamas and Israel on the 50th anniversary of the start of the Yom Kippur War is an event that could have been expected. This is what Washington and its allies had to do. The conflict between Israel and Palestine has been going on for decades. And the US is a key player there.
But instead of actively working on a Palestinian-Israeli settlement, these idiots got in on us and are helping the neo-Nazis with all their might, pushing two close nations into conflict.
What can stop America’s manic passion for sparking conflicts everywhere on the planet?
Apparently, only a civil war in the United States.**
Let’s see if the partisan-based America sceptics accept that Russia uses a firehose of disinformation and plays very old games despite denying being the old enemy.
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CL:
Of previously frozen Iranian funds.
Didn’t you previously make an argument that freezing Russian assets made the likelihood of de-dollarization greater? That it was a bad president that eroded US legitimacy? Or am I mistaking you for someone else?
Anyway, if some of those funds reach, say, Gaza, they will mingle with funds from many other places, Including aid given to Gaza by Israel:
Precedent not president.
Think of it this way. Every human being values their own life as much as you do yours
Bullshit. Islam has the highest rate of both terrorism and suicidal/martyrdom terrorism. A short essay on the muslim frame of mind which doesn’t give a rat’s arse about other lives or often their own.
Islamic terrorism site.
One of the defining characteristics of islam as we see with hamas and every other muslim outfit, is their willingness to use their own as human shields.
No offence but you have no fuking idea about islam.
Discussion on channel 7 re the voice – Jacinta Price, Lidia Thorpe, Malarndirri McCarthy & Ray Martin.
There’s a vote running on their website
Pogria,
You are entirely free to believe what you wish about this thread. My concern is the survival of the nation of Israel.
Just understanding the Muslim/Arab psyche and seeing how events can be used differently domestically and internationally, I would hope that the Israeli governemnt and its military forces are adept, flexible and ultimately successful.
It just seems that I have a different idea of how that looks from many others on this forum. Let’s be honest. You and I are far away from this theatre of war and getting it wrong probably has little consequence for either of us. I don’t think the same can be said for the Israelis right now.
CL
There appears to be a bit of double dealing going on with Iran. Iran is quite comfortable aligning with Russia over the war. Meanwhile, the corrupt Hiden Administration is attempting to come to some arrangement with Iran over nukes. When discussing the US, one needs to separate the activities of the demonrat party vs the GOP.
“Queers For Palestine.”
Words fail me, they honestly do!
Carolyn’s Fingers …
Ok go.
Ridiculously good pop band.
OK Go – Do What You Want Version 2
FMD Labuschagne. Get off.
Cohenite –
With all due repect, I am very well-versed in Islam to the point I can probably quote more surahs than you. I understand both the spiritual and real world effects of that belief system.
So yeah. The patronising really must stop.
Heaven or Las Vegas …
Get off indeed.
Unnecessarily burned a review that may have been gold to one of the batsmen coming in later.
And NOW Carey goes second ball, LBW, and who could most certainly could have used that review – the pill may well have been going down leg.
5/119. Straya are done here.
The patronising really must stop.
Haha. I don’t patronise. You said muslims value their own lives. Explain the rate of martyrdom.
Heaven or Las Vegas with aesthetically pleasing chickage …
“Israel has a unique opportunity”
Israel shows restraint every single time it’s attacked. It has the most moral and efficient army on the planet. Hamas and Hezbollah have a long history of using human shields, hospital and schools to hide behind, and Israel is always careful about how its responds to aggression. Israel has an army that could raise Gaza to the ground, but it won’t however there has to be vengeance followed by justice. Hamas must be annihilated.
I’m sorry but I watched the footage of the Gazans parading the corpse of an Israeli woman through the streets of Gaza, the Gazans jumping up and down with glee. Calling such people animals is an insult to animals, they are scum, scum, scum.
Watch Corey Gil-Shuster’s youtube channel which chronicles his chats with Palestinians (on the West Bank). You’ll find it enlightening, disturbing and often sickening. Most of the Pallies Shuster speaks to don’t want peace, they want the Jews gonski. Their idea of the two state solution is one state, with the Jews zapped away.
For many years I pitied the Palestinians, a people always sold down the drain by their own leaders. I stopped pitying them back in the early 2000s, when they launched the second intifada, an uprising dripping with Jew hatred. As mentioned earlier, this is not a political war, it’s a religious war and Hamas, Hezbollah and your average Palestinian sitting in a cafe in Ramallah won’t be satisfied until every last Jew is pushed into the sea, and this mass drowning will be enabled and abetted by western progressives.
This must be the place…
Interesting view about de-dollarization where speculation doesn’t meet up with reality. Recent report I saw showed that what we’ve been seeing in 2023 is an increase is Dollar holdings and a “de-Euroization” occurring. There’s an increase in Dollar holdings and a corresponding fall in Euro holdings?
Why?
Perhaps like all throughout history, when in times of Geo-politcal concerns people go hide behind the apron strings of the dude with the biggest gun at the OK- Corral.
The US is currently holding about half of Russia’s foreign currency reserves in the freezer. The chatter in the NYTimes (yes, I read it to see what the disloyal opposition is up to) is that the US should use the $300 billion to assist Ukraine. There are some dubious legalities attached and the Hiden Administration is at room temperature on the idea for that reason and also because it could cause concerns with reserve status. The argument is that if the US is able to garner Western allies on its side the deal could be done. I speculate that if the Congress doesn’t release more funding, Dementia is going to move in this direction.
Let me just state this fact here and now. Islam does not value the sanctity of life the way Judaism and Christianity does.
Some more aesthetically pleasing chickage … 🙂
The original – the build up is spectacular …
Let’s Go!
One of my favourites.
Mine too, CL! I have it on a playlist of songs to lift my spirits when I flag. The late Benjamin Orr sang some of The Cars finest songs.
“raise “
raze.
Gawd, apologies everyone, sometimes I think I’m getting dementia.
Ireland are equal first with Wales in the RWC.
Ireland is in an epic quarter-final with the All Blacks in a week’s time.
No boozing after the Voice dies next week; I have to get up early at 6 AM to watch this epic match-up.
Contenders Scotland, Italy and Australia (I doubt Fiji will lose) miss out on finals berths.
It’s too much to guess what will play out, unfortunately, we can’t see Ireland v Wales in the final. These finals are going to be bangers!
Give William Webb to the Irish
Don’t make them take him away
Give Billy Boy to the Irish
Make Billy, Irish today!
1. 48 hours given to people in Gaza to leave.
2. Level Gaza to the ground and plough it under.
3. Annex Gaza as part of greater Israel.
Benjamin Orr – as he should be remembered …
I think I’m getting dementia.
Head massages can vitiate the onset.
The Iranian people are largely as unhappy with their government as the rest of us are. They simply do not have the means to remove them.
I remember reading an article about a time of rapprochement between Tehran and Moscow where any decisions hinged on throwing letters down a well in Qom and waiting for a divine response.
Needless to say, the Russians returned to Moscow convinced the leadership in Tehran was nucking futs.
But those who wish to nuke Iran know intimately the thoughts of all those people and that they deserve nuclear annihilation because they are desperate to be martyrs in the Islamic cause.
On a practical note, they cannot give us the winning numbers in the next Powerball. And yet they seem to be able to read the hearts and minds of people far, far away….
“The Iranian people are largely as unhappy with their government as the rest of us are. They simply do not have the means to remove them.”
100% correct.
Pol – the ABs would be the bookies’ favourites.
and of course, the walleebees are no where to be seen, to be sure …
Too harsh Razey. I know people are angry (hence ideas about nukes get floated). Israel has acted justly as Cassie points out.
Invade and destroy the competing terrorist quasi-states, annex Gaza as an Israeli district, offer a pathway to Israeli citizenship or exile to Egypt or the West Bank with some side payment; warn others they will be taken over Roman style if they don’t seek peace and continue to violate order and security. On top of that hit high-value Iranian targets.
Hi Cats, if you wish to give donations to help Israel, please give to…
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Please note that Magen David Adom helps Israelis of ALL religions, Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Druze.
Ireland are $1.88 to win, NZ are $2.24, on BetFair.
Cohenite,
you have put it the way I should have. Even now, I was being polite.
Why the hell should Israel be concerned with how they look to the rest of the world? Every time they have done that, they have lost ground. Literal ground. Haven’t most of us been taught to not care what others think of us? To be true to ourselves, believe in ourselves?
No matter what Israel does, they will be treated as the aggressor, as pariahs, when all they have ever strived for is peace to live as they want, like every other country on earth purports to.
Replace the word Israel with Jew, and the way they are treated and expected to behave becomes clear.
As for stating that it is easy for me to voice my opinion as I am far removed from what is happening in the literal sense, if Israel fails, NOTHING will stop these atrocities from spreading like the Black Death throughout the Western world.
We have already been tested, the death of Curtis Cheng by a 15 year old muslim, the poor old pensioner who lost the fingers on both hands because he happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and having to fight off a mental muslim. Let’s also add Bali to the mix. 9/11 was the greatest attempt so far upon the West, yet it pales in comparison to the lives lost by Jews through the last four thousand years.
If Israel blinks, you and I will not be far enough away.
How the mighty are fallen.
About 25% of Israel’s population is Arab. About zero percent of Irans population is Arab. Ditto Turkey. About 100% of Saudi Arabia’s population is Arab.
Judaism is a religion, not a race. Islam is religion, not a race. Christianity is a religion, not a race.
Join the dots. This has nothing to do with religion, nor race. It has everything to do with POWER and CONTROL and WEALTH.
Religion and race are merely the levers to achieve it.
“Pogria
Oct 8, 2023 10:17 PM”
Well said.
Cassie –
Can you see the opportunity right in front of Israel at this time? Never have the atrocities committed by Muslim terrorists been so widely viewed and condemned as right now.
I agree that Israel has been a model of military restraint, at times to its own detriment. But those sacrifices will be for nothing if they do not hold their nerve at this point.
I have watched every pronouncement by every political figure in Israel today. And I agree with what they are saying about Hamas exacting a heavy toll. There were great community notes on X which accurately translated from the Hebrew that he was encouraging Gazans to leave the ares that would be targeted, not the Strip itself.
But annexing that population is not the way to go. Remove the cancerous leadership and step back. Build alliances with the Muslim nations that formerly supported the Palestinian cause. What was that joke upthread about Palestinians being created from camel poop? Nobody really likes them. Let the consequences of their poor choices fall on their own heads. Arabs in the surrounding nations are not going to be overly bothered by the fate of the Palestinians if they are benefitting economically from good relations with Israel.
It may be unnecessary if the Arabs who have tried to settle their differences with Israel are legit. There are actually Arab states that despise Hamas because of its links to ISIS, Brotherhood, etc. If Israel mops up the thugs successfully, we could end up with a situation where these countries send in peacekeepers. The interesting thing I read today is that the large majority of Palis also despise Hamas. They may hate Israel too, but they also carry a lot hatred for Hamas because they do nothing to improve lives. It may not end up as a bed of roses, but the result could surprise. Maybe.
Yep.
If Jews are seen to be “lashing out” then there is no doubt a very good reason for them to be doing so.
FFS – the Holocaust is not ancient history, but the most recent attempt to wipe these “cosmopolitans” off the face of the earth.
Yet, they are back and fighting back – and Winning.
I love the Jewish people.
Tipped in a few quid, Cassie.
People need to remember that Isreal was only created (by force) with U.S. assistance in 1948.
It’s easy for people like us to sit here and argue who’s right or wrong.
Reality proves that it is the side that achieves victory gets to write the history books and paint the other side as the “bad guy”
As the U.S. fades as an empire, Israel will lose its big bad bodyguard, what then?
They are surrounded by enemies.
They can nuke them, sure.
How will other countries affected by the radioactive fallout then perceive Israel?
Also, borders have been constantly rewritten throughout history.
I personally have no stake on this conflict (neither does anyone else here, unless they plan to go and join Hamas or the IDF)
We will see what happens as things move forward.
Cassie @ 10pm.
Very well said.
I don’t know who said “Israel has a unique opportunity”. Nor do I know its context, so I’m taking a stab. Consequently this is a general point about that statement and those similar to it.
That idea of a “unique opportunity” linked always to Israel occurs as a regular trope when atrocities are inflicted on the country. Somehow, Israel is supposed to rise above the barbarity it suffers from terrorism and give way to its persecutors. Whereas other countries – every other country- are fully entitled to respond in kind to protect their land and their people.
Israel will prevail because it must. It must be supported to fight back both for its own sake – it’s right to exist – and for the sake of all other peaceful countries.
Pogria –
Nice sentiments if Israel wasn’t surrounded by 500 million people who really don’t need an awful lot of encouragement to kill Jews as a way to distract themselves from the crap job their leaders have done in ensuring they flourish and prosper as a society.
And if we didn’t have rather largeish Muslim minorities embedded in the West.
I’m not sure if my English is failing me but the balance in the Israeli response is just so crucial. Most of the world has been introduced rather suddenly to the viciousness of Islamic jihad. Needless to say, many, many eyes have been opened.
Go on and grind the entirety of Gaza into the dust. Certainly there will be many who support that response.
But I really thought there would be more on this forum who embraced the concept of nuance. Israel has always held to itself the Samson option but is that the endpoint we all want to see? Why cannot we not leverage simple human greed against Islamic fanaticism? Comfortable, prosperous and peaceful societies are very much less likely to want to upset that societal calm with jihad.
And one of the guests at my wedding died in the Bali bombing, a really sweet American girl who attended the same English-speaking church in Pusan. So Islamic terrorism is personal to me, too.
“It’s easy for people like us to sit here and argue who’s right or wrong.
It’s easy because there is a right side, and there is a wrong side.
“I personally have no stake on this conflict (neither does anyone else here, unless they plan to go and join Hamas or the IDF)”
That might be the case for you, but you know little of others here. I do have a stake, I am Jewish and I have family and friends in Israel.
Plas
I’m not sure when you see a dead kid who’s likely been raped and all her clothes removed lying face down in the back of a truck, a leg danging the opposite way it should be. With a couple of ugly thugs chanting Akbar, we can be even a little neutral.
Rabz –
Love for the Jewish people is what motivates me. They are a blessing to every nation.
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This one come with a pre installed plastic septum?
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Eve of Destruction …
The drawback Razey, is the people won’t be allowed to leave.
Upon learning of the ultimatum Hamas will turn their short term efforts to threatening (not bluffing) should anyone show signs of leaving.
Anyone who tries to leave, or is suspected of hankering to leave, will be treated as if they’re a Mossad undercover.
Judaism is a religion, not a race. Islam is religion, not a race. Christianity is a religion, not a race.
Wrong, Jews are both an ethnic group and a religion.
Join the dots. This has nothing to do with religion, nor race. It has everything to do with POWER and CONTROL and WEALTH.
Wrong, it has everything to do with religion.
Over 500 Israelis now dead.
Noteworthy:
Hamas leadership visited Moscow, met with Lavrov in September 2022 as Moscow’s relations with Israel were under strain due to the invasion of Ukraine.
Then board a plane and go fight…
The point you’ve made is exactly what I’m getting at.
You’re Jewish, so you’re understandably biased towards Israel..
As far as you’re concerned, all others are the wrong side.
History ultimately will not care about any moral argument.
There will only be who is left after the conflict…
This is proven time and time again.
To this day, the U.S. is still the only country to have nuked a nation… twice…
Does that make it right?
Does that make us western Allied nations at the time the ‘good guys’
People fight for what their morals and self interest aligns with.
There is no universal ‘right’ or universal ‘wrong’
These are perceptions based on personal feelings and motivations.
If Hamas is fighting on all fronts, they have zero hope of preventing a stampede out of the danger spots. Israeli jets are already bombing the shit out of the Hamas controlled zones.It would mean Hamas allows their families to perish. Not a chance.
Jews are unique in that they embody an ethnic group, a religion AND a language.
Not sure any other people group holds that distinction.
I sometimes think of the Biblical scholars who were perplexed by the mentioning of Israel in prophecy when she had ceased to exist. And then – BAM! – a few minutes to midnight on May 15, 1948, there she is.
“People need to remember that Isreal was only created (by force) with U.S. assistance in 1948.”
No, Israel was created from the piddling amount of land “gifted” to the Jewish people from what was originally their land. The original territory that was to be Israel was far greater by , I can’t remember properly, ten times. With the Balfour Declaration and the British who placed far more importance on future political allies and trade deals, Israel was whittled down to a fraction of Tasmania. The Jewish Homeland and her people were treated exactly the same way as the people of Botswana. The needs and history of the people were never to stand in the way of trade deals.
I have never questioned why the Israelis fought the British.
“You’re Jewish, so you’re understandably biased towards Israel..
As far as you’re concerned, all others are the wrong side.”
Not biased, I know what is right and what is wrong. Clearly you don’t.
I’m presuming only Stevie and the Buckingham are still with us?
The five members of Fleetwood Mac when the Rumours album came out were Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Stevie Nicks, Christine McVie and Lindsey Buckingham. Four are still with us – as noted Christine McVie died last year.
need help with statistics KD … or did Keno and cricket teach you all you need to know?
learn some manners you mouthy clown
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Really, unless you go fight, you can’t have an opinion? Moreover, why would the IDF take you in without training etc when they have more than enough military to take on these rabid savages? Israel is not appealing for any foreigners to go fight.
You completely missed the point…
It’s OK, I expected that.
You’re point is that unless you go fight, you’re not entitled to an opinion while your (opinion) is superior.
Three Israeli tourists shot dead in Egypt, more wounded. It was a police officer who shot them.
“You’re point is that unless you go fight, you’re not entitled to an opinion while your (opinion) is superior.”
Quite so JC.
Wasn’t it Winston Churchill, who said he created TransJordan “One sunny, summer’s afternoon?’
Of course there is. All of the great religions understand the concept of the golden rule.
The Ten Commandments specify what again are universal precepts.
Either you’re a very jaded individual or you suffer from that modern pestilence of moral relativism.
Biden or at least the vermin with their hands up his wrinkled arse, are giving the iranians the bomb. If Israel doesn’t nuke them now do you think iran will not bomb Israel. In the meantime, carpet bomb Gaza and then turn it into farm land.
On a general principle you CANNOT negotiate or trust muzzies. Taqiyya.
I completely agree that Islam places a different value on human life compared to Christianity or Judaism.
But notice it’s not the wealthy Arabs going all jihadi but rather those with bleak prospects?
The alliances that were built under Trump were incredible. The self-interest of those nations trumped their religious sensitivities. Why not make that circle bigger?
The Roman empire used to control far more land than they do now as well.
Borders constantly change throughout time.
Does this constitute the end of a nation?
It remains to be seen.
Is the attack horrific, of course, and Isreal will respond accordingly.
“It’s OK, I expected that.”
Yes, your sneering is okay too, I expect that when you pop your head up here.
And taqiyya is definitely something the Shia Iranians are well-versed in, it having been part of the subterfuge they needed to employ to survive being a heretical minority.
Stuxnet was the previous method the Israelis employed to thwart the Iranians nuclear ambitions. Do you not think they are already planning their next attack?
“The alliances that were built under Trump were incredible. The self-interest of those nations trumped their religious sensitivities. Why not make that circle bigger?”
Indeed, which is why the Israelis and Saudis are near an agreement of sorts. And this is one of the reasons why Hamas has done what it’s done.
“Nice sentiments if Israel wasn’t surrounded by 500 million people who really don’t need an awful lot of encouragement to kill Jews as a way to distract themselves from the crap job their leaders have done in ensuring they flourish and prosper as a society.”
Luzu,
you have completely contradicted yourself. You gave us a story about the poor, downtrodden pally’s and Iranians who don’t really like their leadership but, ooh, poor things, there is nothing they can do. In the above sentence, you then inform us there are 500 MILLION of them who don’t need much encouragement to kill Jews. Then why the f*ck don’t they turn on their “oppressive” leaders and kill them?
Because they have NO problem with killing Jews.
I’m assuming you’re Christian/catholic then
You’re presupposing that the bible and the 10 commandments are absolute.
These are western values, generally ingrained in our culture.
What happens when a society does not share your values?
What happens if an individual does not share your values?
Crinkite
Enuff nuking tonight. Start again with fresh nuking in the morning. If israel had fired as many nukes as you’ve said “nukes” today, the mid-east deserts would’ve turned into glass.
More resignation than anything…
You said you were Jewish and have family over there.
You have an understandable viewpont based on who you are…
About 8 of them could be considered universal.
You have to describe the circumstance.
cohenite
Oct 8, 2023 10:55 PM
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It isn’t the USA who is working with the Iranians on nukes:
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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/russia-says-it-has-written-guarantees-iran-nuclear-deal-2022-03-15/
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Sure, a mystical supernatural divine intervention is one way of explaining the (re)creation of Israel.
A small group of Christian and Jewish members of the industrial-military complex inventing Biblical-scale nuclear weapons and tending to use them to get their way, including making their favourite Bible prophecy come true, is another way to explain it.
I’d recommend the earthly option until proven otherwise.
Yes.
What society? Within the culture or external to it?
Depends on how many individuals you’re talking about. If too many, pressures may arise. If the result is mayhem creating destruction the society will deal with it.
Bibi in the war room, a short while ago.
Seated are from left, Bibi Netanyahu, Defence Minister Yoav Gallant, & the uniformed chap is Lt. General Herzi Halevi, Chief of the General Staff (or top dog of the IDF)
Arky,
I was going through my phone bookmarked sites and came across your Rumble. I rewatched those skits you did on Andrews’ lockdowns – as I said at the time, some great comedy. Well done.
Bernard Montgomery had the right idea – commanding British forces, in Palestine, in the 1930’s, when suicide bombings became popular, he ordered that the remains of any suicide bombers be buried with a dead pig thrown into the grave.
Could be either.
We have 50 years of ‘Multiculturalism’ here, so it might depend on where you decide to go.
Ultimately if people cannot resolve their differences in a civil manner, even on an individual level, we humans devoted into ‘might makes right’.
This doesn’t prove anything, it’s just human nature, we love beating the shit out of and killing each other.
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Dan.
An easy target to be sure. So good to see the back of him.
Pogria –
It is indeed my English language skills that have let me down. I have never said or thought that the poor Palis are downtrodden and unable to do anything. What I should have made clear is that they would probably be as relieved as anyone with the removal of Hamas as their governing body.
Also, it wouldn’t be the citizens of those nations menacing Israel but their armed forces. The very same armed forces that can be easily turned on domestic populations. Surely you see that? We all remember the demonstrations in Iran that were brutally put down not so long ago?
Z2KA –
I remarked to my sons that any bodies of terrorists killed in Israel should be fed to pigs. And livestreamed. Use their superstitions against them in the most productive way possible.
German tattoo artist Shani Louk held & used an Israeli passport. She posted on social media using the pronoun “us” about the Israeli people.
Her mum sounds 200% German, though my German language is a little rusty & I’m not able to tell a fluent German speaker from a native one.
The video of Ms Louk being carted around in the back of the ute is one of the first ones I stumbled on yesterday morning, on a Palestinian account skiting that she was an Israeli soldier & was alive. Both claims seemed suspect upon even a quick glance at the file.
Though there’s many other videos showing greater degree (far greater) of atrocity, for intangible reasons the video of her had quite some impact.
It wasn’t just me, as the video & images of her have pretty much become a contender for the leading image of the initial Hamas incursion.
Part of this may be that so many images of her were so readily available online, in all of which she seems a whimsical gamine.
The bastards in the video with her, they’re going to wish they’d hidden their faces better. For sure they’ll be on the target list of a “Wrath of God” style operation.
With all due respect Cassie, history pre-dates Moses. Would you also argue that Aborigines and “Dreamtime” are both an ethnic group and a religion (of sorts)? That would be an admission of being brainwashed. Believing in a rainbow serpent.
Wrong Cassie. It has everything to do with betrayal. The most religious of men are quite often the biggest sinners.
In summary:
It’s Russia who work with Iran on nuclear.
It’s Iran who supply Russia with drones to bomb the Ukraine.
It is Iran who back Hezbollah and Hamas to kill Israelis.
It is Russia and Iran who fight together in Syria.
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But everything is the USA’s fault.
Calls for de-escalation are based on profound ignorance.
No situation, from a minor verbal disagreement to armed violence, can be ‘de-escalated’ once it has reached crisis point.
De-escalation is a preventative action, not a response to something that has already occurred (escalation of tension to crisis point).
It then becomes crisis management.
This is not an attempt at pedantry, but pointing out that calls from political actors for one or both sides (normally the former) to de-escalate, are applied to constrain the actions of the recipient of the demand (via public opinion); an impossible task, given that the crisis has already occurred.
I’m not explaining this well, I know, but calls for de-escalation imply that such actions are possible when they are clearly not. This misleads the public into believing that when the crisis continues, responsibility for the same must be due to the participant – in this case, Israel – which ‘refused’ to heed the calls of the wise to ‘de-escalate.’
To recap: It is now a case of crisis management. There is NO de-escalation of tensions that have already reached crisis point.
One imagines there would be some internal competition to become the individual who tags them. Tag and release? Not so much.
Huh. Nu Fred. Nuff sed.
Well, most of what it could have sent is in scraps scattered over the battlefields of eastern Ukraine.
VDH isn’t always very sound on this kind of thing. In 1973, Israel was fighting nation-state opponents equipped with Soviet hardware in conventional, high intensity warfare. The Soviets undertook a similar resupply to the Egyptians and Syrians to make up for their battlefield losses, too.
Today is not 1973. Israel already has more than enough hardware to deal with Hamas – in this regard it’s an entirely lopsided conflict. The difficulty is going to be in urban conflict and engaging an enemy that makes itself indistinguishable from civilians and is perfectly happy for 20 of its soldiers to die in the process of killing one Israeli soldier.
Today is not 2006, either. I suspect Israeli public today is less concerned about world opinion than it was then, and there will be an expectation that this is the conflict that will settle the dispute definitively. My guess is there’s going to be a two state imposition at the end of this road.
Luzu:
Didn’t work well in 1918-19, but by crikey it worked in 1945.
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Then turned their backs as a million South Vietnamese perished in the South China Sea, or were forced into the extermination camps.
Cassie of Sydney
Oct 8, 2023 10:10 PM
Bullshit, Cassie.
Good shots!
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steveinman:
Third World Street Justice
““The Iranian people are largely as unhappy with their government as the rest of us are. They simply do not have the means to remove them.””
Rober, that was Luzu who wrote that. I simply agreed with her words.
A worthy beating.
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steveinman:
Brazilian Justice
Beginning under Obama with the “Iran deal”, a deal then stopped by Trump, and quickly resumed by Biden, the USA has actively funded Iran’s nuclear programme.
I’m not Jewish, nor do I have family in the ME, I support Cassie, JC, BBS, Pogria and others on this subject.
Not just South Vietnamese.
A bloke I know was in the AATTV, training a Cambodian battalion. After Pol Pot took over, the battalion was loaded into trucks, taken into the jungle, and machine gunned.