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So no the Russian money, if it ever existed, did not go to Pool and Rubin, it went to Lauren…
“Eighteen Days inn October” contains the statement that, on October 20th, 1973, an Israeli pilot named Giora Even notched his…
I would have thought having poisonous malefactors like Chaney attacking him would only boost his standing.
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Pretty sure my ex-boss, mentioned yesterday, was in 550 Squadron.
Small world.
Unfortunately, I don’t have much hope for the hostages. I recall reading back about 15 years ago, that when islamist loons take hostages, it never turns out well for hostages.
Definitely not in Gaza or the West Bank.
Big_Nambas
Oct 8, 2023 10:39 AM
We are booked in to man “No” Vote next week. But there are desperate calls for more volunteers.
If anyone has some time please call the “No” camp to volunteer. Thanks people.
Come on people this is about the future of Australia, it’s either VOICE, TREATY, REPARATIONS and PAY THE RENT. Or ONE AUSTRALIA.
Volunteer for the NO campaign, it’s really important.
Yes! Yes and Yes again!
Well said Vicki and Big Nambas.
But words are not enough, action on the ground is what’s needed.
Come on Cats!
Be active today, not second-class punters tomorrow.
feelthebern
The same reason photographers and German civilians were paraded through the Concentration/Extermination camps at the end of the war – now no one can deny the atrocities taking place.
Good policy.
Palestinian sources, quoting Israeli sources, are claiming an Israeli Lieutenant-Colonel killed in action yesterday.
Accompanying images show a uniform with the rank of full Colonel.
A Colonel in the IDF is the commander of a brigade.
America thought the Japanese would strike against the British and Dutch, and against the Philippines. They did not believe the Japanese had the capacity to strike against all the locations in the way they did.
The lifeless body of a young girl in her 20s lying face down in the back of a ute.
JC, that’s the one I referred to this morning.
Still up on TikTok.
Still being retweeted.
Hamas can’t rely on BBC-like censoring to cover up their barbarity.
Please, KD, that should be “an indecent proportion …”
You are assuming that terrorist organisations haven’t got the brains to learn from their mistakes.
“Sneakernet” rather than internet… everything done on paper rather than electronically, face to face or messages passed by hand. It’s not a big place 365 km2, and I’m sure that given the Arabic culture, all 2 million residents have a very low degree of separation (ie I might know you or anyone you know, but somebody I know does).
The bigger intelligence failure is the failure to detect the weapons buildups.
Have already used some of the couple of hundred unique videos & dozens of still photographs downloaded over the past 24 hrs.
An airheaded bimbo is more informed on current affairs than most people I work with, however Instagram (the news source for anybody I work with) has informed my co-workers that Palestinians are merely “taking back” what Israel took from them in a recent unprovoked invasion.
Honourably righting a wrong does not involve atrocities perpetrated upon non-combatants & defenceless, especially jubilation at atrocities.
By the 7th image/video of murdered elderly/girls with jubilation at horrific desecration of the bodies, even the most rusted-on conceded that perhaps Instagram was “full of shit”
& no excuse could be made for Hamas.
Vicki
I’ve volunteered twice. I even bought the pack of goodies – Tshirt, cap, stickers pens etc.
NOTHING heard of since.
I think the sale of the No package is all that was required of me.
Getting pissed off with being a mug to be fleeced.
Why don’t you go down to the pre poll and offer to help hand out Robert?
You are complaining about an organisation consisting mostly of volunteers.
Dr. John Campbell
Cancer reactivation
and the full interview with Professor Dalgleish
Professor Dalgleish
One comment under the full interview –
On twitter & TikTok there are literally piles of dead civilians.
Old men, old women, kids.
F*cking animals.
I was having a much-needed mental health break, but just saw the German woman’s lifeless body in the back of the ute. I realise this has happened in other wars, but seeing an image changes one’s perception.
There is no ‘proportionate’ response. That is not advocating for the intentional targeting of civilians, but such casualties are inevitable when your opponent uses their own as shields.
Like it or not, Israel needs to dominate the information space, and part of that must come from restricting the ability of ‘third parties’ (i.e. the media) to assist the animals of fridgelam* to win the propaganda war via international pressure to temper their response to ‘proportionate’ defense only. By this I mean the tracking, and, if necessary, detention, of all media perceived to be unfriendly. At least for a short period. ‘Apologies’ for misidentification can be made later. Maybe.
One also wonders what is happening elsewhere that these shocking events are drawing attention from?
* Believers in the random falling of fridges.
“This is not the time for peace.
A better prayer of the faithful would have been to petition God for victory.
Just as Pope Pius V asked all of Europe to do before Lepanto.”
Yes, nicely put C.L.
Like everything else in the West, the word “peace” has been devalued, cheapened and all meaning has been lost. People in the west, especially among young progressives and their fellow travellers, have no understanding as to what “peace” is. Peace isn’t simply the cessation of guns, and releasing doves into the air,. The word for peace in Hebrew is “shalom”, however the root meaning doesn’t just mean “peace”, it also means “whole” and “completeness”. There can be no peace without completeness, there can be no peace until the Palestinian Arabs accept the reality of Israel’s existence.
As I wrote last night, the Torah is quite clear about the fact that there is a time for certain things, and here is Kohelet (Ecclesiastics), the translation I have long loved is actually from the New Testament, the St James’ version…
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together
A time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing
A time to get, and a time to lose
A time to keep, and a time to cast away
A time to rend, and a time to sew
A time to keep silence, and a time to speak
A time to love, and a time to hate
A time of war, and a time of peace
I think Hashem is pretty clear.
The prayer I posted last night (Psalm 122) is a prayer for peace, written by a warrior king.
David knew all about war and that to attain peace, war had to happen and had to be won decisively. Milquetoasting has no place in dealing with terrorists, and Israel has to put an end to Hamas.
The sad irony is that he, like Samson in Gaza, fought the Philistines. And here we are again.
So I’m sitting on my porch in the sun reading the Bible, as you do, seeing it’s a Sunday. 1 Samuel 15, about the Amakelites (due to certain recent events).
Then this occurred. 😀
As an aside, it will be interesting to see if Marcia Langton repeats her ‘if we don’t get the Voice there will be an intifada’ commentary.
Given events of the past 48 hours, I dearly hope that ill-thought-out statement is reinvigorated by the right people.
His nearest pre polling location is 65 miles away, & pre polling is on only 2 days of the 14 days in the “pre-polling season”
May I refer you to https://youtu.be/V1fIuC1pp-Q?feature=shared. “Unofficial History of the Pacific war ep 1 Pearl Harbour Avoidable or Inevitable” where they go over what the US knew or guessed or predicted based on previous Japanese actions
“I wonder how proportionate Israel’s response will be?”
I have only word, it must be…
disproportionate
I hope everybody has filled their vehicles and if possible put a couple of Jerry Cans away for when the price of fuel hits $5/litre, or $10/litre if we’re not.
I’ve volunteered twice. I even bought the pack of goodies – Tshirt, cap, stickers pens etc.
NOTHING heard of since.
We didn’t buy anything as a friend has supplied us with the Tshirts. But after registering on the website, we were contacted within 24 hours.
Give it another go. Or contact LNP.
https://sanctuaries.noaa.gov/news/press/japanese-mini-subs/
May be inevitable by then, 90 minutes is not a long time.
My point is intelligence failures can arise from the paucity of data, inability to relate it to the current worldview or inability to share the information in a timely matter, other than over-filtering information for reasons of discernment. I don’t think there is anything necessarily nefarious in having information or data and not acting in hindsight on what would appear to be intelligence.
Boambee John:
Both my kids and my grandparents were on the KAL flight an hour later.
Until we found out they were alright, there was a LOT of anger at anything Russian in our house.
Israel halts electricity supply to Gaza Strip: Energy minister
Well said!
I am forever haunted by a girl in a pink dress for just this reason. History doesn’t repeat, but it does rhyme.
I’m pretty sure that none of us would lay claim to Wisdom on all of this. But I do think I’d get a consensus for the proposition that “this needs to be solved once and for all”. I don’t see how Israel can do anything else.
It will involve violence, as – frankly – it should. But if some – say, the Sauds – can stand strong and move forward with Israel, perhaps this could actually be something of a turning point. And all of the lives lost – and still to be lost – might not be in vain.
I’m an optimist, I know.
Now they need to cut off the water.
I’m sure this will help the voice get up, especially if airbus keeps nattering on about anything other than cost of living.
Dot
Say you’re a higher-level operative in Mossad. You hear it: the NSA and/or the CIA talk about the chatter about a coming strike. You think in terms of risk. If you go in first, Israel invariably gets chastised globally for being mean and nasty to the little old, defenseless Palis. You know their accumulating rockets are from Iran. You estimate with the help of sources, but you don’t know for sure the actual numbers. What you know is that in 2 or 3 years, they will have more. Do you take the initial hit now or later, when they have more weapons, in order to annihilate the bastards? You could be the top gun at Mossad and never know these calculations are taking place on the floor below because they’re keeping it from you. Intel is a very strange and murky world.
Just speculation, that’s all.
Disney Doesn’t Hate Conservatives Alone — It Hates Its Fans Too
This current Australian government has empowered Jew hatred, Hamas and terrorism, in fact, it’s financing it.
Hamas Leader Issues Warning to Arab Nations That Normalized Relations With Israel
Does anyone want to insure oil tankers and the Iranian oil refineries at Kharg Island?
No takers?
Oh. OK.
It’s not necessarily the case that Israeli intel didn’t know Hamas was arming up; talking big amongst themselves, and so on.
The intel apparatus may well have provided threat assessments with doom and gloom all through them. However their political masters may have declined to do something like a pre-emptive attack for various reasons.
Having said that, if they did know, and let things like the “peace camp” go ahead nearby then they should pay the price.
Twitter feeds reporting Israel has started shelling Lebanon after receiving rocket attacks.
Complete rubbish, no they didn’t. The APAN should be immediately relocated to Gaza, where they can do Pallywood and make shit up to their hearts’ content.
TRUMP HERALDS U.S. SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL, PLEDGES TO GO AFTER PALESTINIAN TERRORISTS ON ‘DAY ONE’ OF PRESIDENCY
and talking of terrorists (and I don’t mean Putin) –
Putin Says Ukraine Wouldn’t Last a Week Without U.S. Aid
Didn’t the Israelis reject a preemptive strike in 1973?
Noa Tishby said it this morning on Outsiders (which I’m watching this afternoon)….
“make no mistake, this is NOT a political war, it is a religious war, Hamas is not interested in any kind of normalisation with Israel because of the religious doctrine, a radical Islamic doctrine, and that is what Israel is dealing with.”
Yep. I can tell you hear and now, that as the Muslim Palestinian scum moved into Israel yesterday, they shouted Allah Akbar and “Khaybar, Khaybar, Oh Jews, the army of Mohammad is coming to slaughter you”. First they rape the women….of course.
That’s what Israel is dealing with.
Australians still denied facts on the Voice
““Just this week Israelis have invaded the most holy sites in Jerusalem (and) mobs of settlers have attacked Palestinian towns killing Palestinians while Israeli soldiers watch on.”
Just hogwash.
So Robert lives in a small rural community which will have one polling place on referendum day.
Not much to volunteer for other than rocking up on the day.
Why keep complaining about not being contacted?
They are very stupid. I imagined that they’d conceal the magnitude of their crime, but no – they gloated and paraded.
They no longer have any bargaining power.
These barbarians are looters and slavers. Thier ute is full of loot and fearful Jewish families.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/MddIb4BfAafp/
Why would that preclude volunteering elsewhere?
Yes indeedy.
Just because nothing (apparently) was done does not mean the intel wasn’t received – despite all the usual uni graduates appearing on the picture wireless declaring this a ‘massive intel failure’.
It may very well have rather been a ‘massive decision making failure’. It is difficult to see Mossad, of all the agencies and with all their fingers in all those pies failing to make the connections.
Last night, a (failed) connection was made between pre-emptive strikes and Barbarossa in 1941.
The repeated warnings, from multiple credible sources about just such an attack on Russia were ignored by Stalin, and should the current ME situation turn out to be the same it is a much more apt analogy.
This is one comment under the IPA clip describing the New Zealand experience with the Maori Voice to Parliament.
And block the sun.
Deterrence only works via fear.
A pro-active ‘neutralisation’ program, for example, which only touches the top of the list, will minimally stunt organisational growth. An extensive purge, on the other hand – when the time is right …
Back to the enablers – what can be done about media in foreign, western countries?
Boondoggle #1:
Kununurra land values skyrocket as Australia’s biggest farmers set the region in their sights
So the goal is to relocate much of Australia’s cotton fields to land irrigated by the Ord River because klimate kwisis. There’s a couple of hundred square kilometres of irrigated land up there, I believe. Give or take. Possibility of expansion? Sure, I guess. How much land will be needed to relocate the Murray-Darling cotton fields? Where will the crop be processed? Is the infrastructure in place to get the crop to market?
Given this kind of thing has been tried before in the Ord River basin and anything attempted on a large scale has consistently failed to get off the ground, what has changed about the Ord River scheme that’s going to make it work this time?
I’d normally say let the risk-takers bear the costs (or enjoy the profits – hell, maybe they’ll get it right at last) of this move. However, as it is being driven by the false climate emergency, I expect commercial considerations will not be the deciding factor. The question will be whether we want to farm cotton in Australia, and the premise will be that the only agricultural land able to sustain this crop in the long term will be the Ord River irrigation area. This doesn’t sound like it will end well.
Boondoggle #2:
$15.6 quadrillion meteor:
Pity an economist wasn’t there to help out. Hell, a decent year 9 HASS student who can explain the price mechanism would have sufficed. Let’s take the best case scenario in which the meteor is rich in all of these metals, and these can be brought to earth relatively inexpensively. The result will be a colossal new supply of these metals. What happens to the price if supply goes through the roof whilst demand is more or less steady? I suspect a few zeroes will need to be lopped off the value of that meteor. Most of them, in fact.
It would be useful if we were running low on these resources here, but we aren’t. There is always only 10 to 15 years’ worth of known reserves of whatever rare commodity you care to mention.
This is always reported with a sense of doom, despite the evidence clearly showing that when we explore, we tend to find more of what we’re looking for.
And as far as mineral exploration goes here on Earth, we’ve only scratched the surface (literally and figuratively). But, hey. Let’s not worry about that and see if we can hook ourselves a giant meteor instead.*
These two endeavours are related in that they are both based on a faulty presumption about impending scarcity propagated successfully by the environmental movement. This fear of running out of stuff is so powerful that it can drive us to bring about the very scarcity we are afraid of. And possibly even go the way of the dinosaurs if we start crashing mineral-rich meteors into the earth.
*Which I’m not opposed to in principle and am perfectly willing to let private enterprise see if it can mine this thing profitably – although if this involves a clever plan for it to be ‘safely’ manoeuvred onto earth, that should probably be nixed.
Here’s MNSBC blaming Israel
How Israel’s far-right government fueled tensions with Hamas
THE LITURGY OF THE WORD – 8th October, 2023
Introit – Esther 13:9-11; Psalm 118
First Reading – Isaiah 5:1-7
Responsorial Psalm – Psalm 79:9,12-16,19-20
Second Reading Philippians – 4:6-9
Alleluia – Psalm 113:1
Gospel – Matthew 21:33-43
Minutes ago…take that!
https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1710878959007592573?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1710878959007592573%7Ctwgr%5E7bfc985d2a3a1cd4d460d3a877f250adc6c71eda%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.godlikeproductions.com%2Fforum1%2Fmessage5541469%2Fpg142
Distance Bluey.
“Rural communities” aren’t a half hour drive from each other, with lotsa cute farmhouses along the way.
However it doesn’t preclude. Which of the two days of pre-poll voting should a bloke turn up to?
How far is an acceptable drive for such purpose?
Remember, most of the country is voting No. The Yes voting areas are so small they cannot be seen on a map of Australia in which they’re coloured red.
How many volunteers, in solid No country, does one need?
Pretty much the only thing that has worked throughout history.
How many Palestinian terrorists have cross over Bidens open border?
Yeah, CNN was doing that too. Rabz them all, to molten slag.
I followed through Indolent’s Disney link and found Gretchen Whitmer tying herself into knots.
I don’t know – there is some reason to believe Mossad ain’t what it used to be. As a result of Bibi’s liberal economic reforms, there is now a lot of high tech industry in Israel competing with Mossad for Israel’s best and brightest. Guess which pays better?
Of course, the irony is that these industries were able to establish themselves so quickly because of the collective knowledge acquired from the Israeli military/ security industrial complex that was highly transferable into these new sectors.
Rosie
That’s what I’m going to do rosie.
But an expectation of some degree of organisation is what was touted, and isn’t happening. Apart from selling packs of t shirts.
Why ask me? Satp jumped in to scold because the nearest prepoll was 65k away.
A decision to cancel a Russian-themed children’s dance troupe from the line-up of an upcoming South Australian multicultural festival has prompted accusations of “discrimination”, but has been defended by the state’s multicultural affairs minister as “difficult” but “necessary”.
You forgot to mention the decision was taken so as not to upset Ukrainian “refugees”
We is all equal but some are more equal than others …!
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/russian-themed-childrens-dance-performance-cancelled-from-sa-multicultural-festival/ar-AA1hLmpm
Update on Adam Goodes Tweet.
He was trending earlier so had a look around. Seems the source was somebody called Catherine and one Tweeter indicated she had admitted not true and apologised to Goodes. When went to her Twitter the account had been deleted.
It’s always been a religious war. In Islamic theology, Jews have no right to hold sovereignty over any land. The existence of Israel is viewed as an overturning of everything that’s devinely ordained in the cosmos.
What EXACTLY does Homos (sic) hope to gain from these shocking events in Israel? Attention, obviously, but how will more attention change the situation for them in Gaza? Are there internal pressures that have prompted them to prove their worth? To whom do they feel the need to prove themselves? To Iran? Are there other actors in the region vying for Iranian money and material/training support?
In the long term, they cannot possibly believe they will win militarily. Why start a fight they cannot finish then?
I was discussing dual citizenship with my (formerly Somalian) support worker. Often not the accretion of rights people expect it to be. Plenty of detailed work required before undertaking in my opinion.
Mossad has gone political recently, like the FBI. I suspect they’ve too busy chasing righties for wrongthink.
Rosie
I understand now – we don’t matter.
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https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2023-03-14/ty-article/.premium/russia-invites-hamas-leaders-for-kremlin-visit/00000186-df39-dc06-afdf-ff3fd16c0000
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Zelensky: Israel has ‘indisputable’ right to defend itself from terror
Ukraine’s Jewish president says world must stand united against terror as Hamas launches deadly surprise assault
By AGENCIES and TOI STAFF
7 October 2023, 6:55 pm 1
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/zelensky-israel-has-indisputable-right-to-defend-itself-from-terror/
Before Partition, their grandfathers were ambushing and looting convoys
on the Jerusalem Road.
Meanwhile the soon-to-be-Israelites were scouring the world
for the necessities of a functional nation.
From telephones to cargo aircraft.
Pointing out a logistic impediment & scolding are not the same thing.
Just saying. 🙂
H B Bear
Which is the only reason it won’t be tried.
The APAN should be declared a terrorist organisation.
Anyone saying this shit should be booted out of Western society.
Jewish nurses roped, Jewish wounded murdered in the ambulances.
Oh, you mighty warriors of Islam!
Driller
Stay out of other people’s discussions, you pathetic imbecile. Try and commence an “apropos” conversation with the dependencies and STFU. It’s like an imbeciles anonymous protection society.
FMD, you’re a dishonest, pedantic blowhard.
They’ve got to nuke iran; and some filth in the US admin have to answer as well.
Any word on their right to return across the Jordan River,
after the Hashemites realised they were unlikeable congenital idiots
and gave them the bum’s rush?
Cronkite
Nuking Iran would mean killing innocent folks who despise the regime. The mullahs are hanging on by a thread. If they’re lucky, they’d have 10% support in the populace.
“Justice” for the people of Palestine might not mean quite what Faruqi thinks it means.
If they’re lucky, they’d have 10% support in the populace.
The Nazis ran with less than 10%. But you raise an old point which I have addressed already: which is how many of the muzzies support terrorism, hate Israel and basically the West and anyone who is not a muzzie. And as the crucial adjunct: can islam ever be compatible with and co-exist with the West. Read this:
Deradicalisation of militant Muslims not a viable option
And keep it as a reference for anytime you get bubbly urges about islam and muzzies being salvageable.
Yeah. I get what you’re suggesting except for one thing. I don’t think the bulk of younger Iranians are religious.
Woman’s brassieres flying from the radio antennae of Jordanian tanks, and the “bums rush” enforced by shelling the Pali refugee camps with white phosphorus?
Also
Close to 40% is nothing to sniff at, Cronkers and I’d bet that up to about 1940, support would’ve been closer to 60%plus.
It wasn’t 10%.
Not hogwash, Cassie. It’s classical disinformation propaganda pioneered by the Nazis in the 1930s.
Like Uncle Luigi’s Voice referendum campaign, it’s based on the notion that ordinary people are so stupid they’ll believe (and vote for) whatever they’re told.
Jordanian proverb –
“First Allah created the desert Arab, then he created the camel.
From the dung of the camel, he created the Palestinian.”
Interesting. Israel doesn’t have the luxury of ensuring its institutions of national defence are DEI compliant or are able to surveil and police the wrongthink out of half of its population – this lesson was supposedly learnt in 2006, but perhaps it has been forgotten.
I don’t see how this attack can be construed as anything other than a major failure of Israeli intelligence. A core component of the Israeli identity is the very high value the state places on each citizen. It’s why Israel is willing to trade hundreds of captured enemy combatants for a single kidnapped Israeli soldier. It is an acknowledgement of the reality that, if required, it could put a million men under arms in defence of its homeland whilst its enemies and potential enemies could muster many times that number to attack it in a worst case scenario, and it needs to be able to defeat that much larger force.
The vast qualitative superiority Israel maintains over its neighbours is why it is the dominant military power in the region. It does not and cannot expend its people lightly.
However, if I’m wrong and this wasn’t an intelligence failure; the plan was to allow Hamas to invade Israel, raid several of its towns and settlements, kidnap several Israelis and kill hundreds more in order to, say, create the pretext for going into the Gaza Strip and liquidating Hamas once and for all, well…I suspect the consequences for those who made this decision will be far worse than if Hamas’s attack was a surprise due to a failure of those tasked with knowing Israel’s enemies’ plans prior to their execution.
Okay, it is The Conversation, but this survey matches hunches.It appears to be fast becoming a population with secular views.
I wish I hadn’t look, but sometimes you have to, to see the true face of evil inhumanity.
I am forever haunted by a girl in a pink dress for just this reason. History doesn’t repeat, but it does rhyme.
Way back when Islamic State began to make its presence felt in Syria I recall trawling the net to see what was it was all about. To my horror I chanced upon two flashes of unforgettable horror that, although I immediately left the sites, will stay with me forever. One was the start of a beheading, the other was a shot of a headless little girl in a blue party dress. I will never be able to get those images out of my head. But what they did do – is confirm in my soul the nature of evil attached to those horrific cults.
This is beyond a faux pas.
He’s not wrong.
A pity she didn’t get the opportunity to say this on Insiders.
Close to 40% is nothing to sniff at, Cronkers and I’d bet that up to about 1940, support would’ve been closer to 60%plus.
It wasn’t 10%.
I should have clarified. The maximum membership of the Nazi party was ~ 8 million in 1945. The population of Germany in 1945 was over 80 million.
In the long term, they cannot possibly believe they will win militarily. Why start a fight they cannot finish then?
Since when has Hamas done anything remotely sound?
Okay.
Our national broadcaster is supposed to speak for all of us, but speaks only for Big Government communists who are working to undermine our political and economic system.
Just as well very few Australians consume what the ABC is selling.
It’s almost as if the ABC is an old media dinosaur that has passed its use-by date.
10% of the population having party membership is absolutely massive; generally children cannot join up until 12-16 or thereabouts. They would also be selective and you could not dissent.
Dot
I think I’ve read that it was hard to join and had to be nominated etc. Similar to the old Soviet Union. It gave you a lot of prestige and economic opportunities.
Cats, no one could have predicted that collectivists would go full fascist as soon as they thought they had the balance of power over the proles (i.e. everyone else).
Apart from anyone with a functioning brain.
Yet here we are. Again.
Daily Mail.
“A pity she didn’t get the opportunity to say this on Insiders.”
She would never be invited onto Insiders.
JC makes some good points about the makeup of ME & other countries being more than just black/white.
Saudi can be assigned to the list of countries where the citizens do not like the west, but their leaders are quite fine with it for business/political/military/cultural reasons.
Iran is the opposite, having wide support of the west and its freedoms among the population but undemocratic leadership oppose the west for reasons political/historical/religious.
Democratic revolution in both countries would be a great improvement in the ME and for the West in general. Not holding my breath for either country.
The Morrow conspicuously avoided any direct mention of Fatty Trump, although there were one or two oblique references.
That was my point, Cassie.
Meanwhile, there appear to be quite strong links between the Australia Palestine Advocacy Network, and the aboriginal sovereignty movement.
I dunno if it’s true or not. There’s a twitter page run by a dude named Mike Benz.
He focuses on intel. He’s worth reading but I wouldn’t be 100% sure if what he says ii gospel. However, it is hair raising. He reckons the Australian Office of Home Affairs is a fully owned subsidiary of the US intel apparatus inclding, the CIA, NSA and State Department.
He reckons the legislation the Albanian government is trying to get through the parliament dealing with “mis-information” is a spawn of US intel.
He actually says the wussiagate hoax was initiated through Australian channels commencing with that Papadopulos guy by using Dolly.
see here:
Miranda Devine came in with the following.
Read how the AEC tried to let the cat out of the bag and then backtracked in the most pathetic way.
It’s a little disturbing.
James Morrow is one of the Australian media’s little people like Greg Sheridan who can’t separate Donald Trump’s personality from his policy agenda.
Beta males are threatened by alpha males.
JC
That has to be the most naive thing spoken today.
It doesn’t matter if the Iranian ‘youth’ are Calathumpians, the 10% of the population with the guns, the Religious Police, will have them parading in the streets to crush Israel, and their womenfolk handing out sweets for every Israeli woman raped.
FFS, JC, have you been asleep for the last 40 years?
10% of the population having party membership is absolutely massive; generally children cannot join up until 12-16 or thereabouts. They would also be selective and you could not dissent.
From professor Kessler’s essay:
Among Muslims worldwide today, about 10 to 15 per cent, it may be suggested, are modernist, reform-minded and democratic; perhaps another 10 to 15 per cent are militant, radical, extreme and potentially active in violent forms.
Between these two clusters, the 70 per cent in the middle represent what may be called conventional or quasi-traditional Islam.
The question is: what is the relation of the views of the radical extreme to those of the centrist mainstream? Are they opposed, a deviationist breakaway, or are they basically identical, or at least complementary?
It would be reassuring if things were otherwise, but the basic facts are clear. Like the radical fringe or fundamentalist extreme, the Muslim mainstream adheres to, through explicit affirmation or by unreflecting habitual assent, the same underlying propositions that constitute the radical and militant world view. Like that of the militants, their Islam, or view of it, is basically supersessionist.
That is, they hold, as core Islamic doctrine has held from the outset in its Koranic foundations, that Islam embodies and carries forward all that was once good in Judaism and Christianity (a fact that now makes those predecessors superfluous and lacking in continuing spiritual value and authenticity); and that what it does not carry forward from them is not good (and was the expression of an earlier, incomplete and defective revelation or else the result of the subsequent faults, sometimes wilful, in the recording and transmission of the sacred revelation by rabbis and priests).
Islam is a cult, a huge, violent, mad cult. West leaders who capitulate to it should be castrated.
The islimbiciles.
In my opinion, it is also the world’s first fake religion, like scientiology.
“they’d have 10% support in the populace.”
This is true when it comes to Iran. And religious adherence in Iran has collapsed as a result of forty years of Shia theocratic thuggery. But the Iranian regime is proving hard to budge, because the mullahs are mad, bad and dangerous, and they use their power to ruthlessly control the army and the religious police.
There’s still a Jewish community in Iran, a very small one, in Tehran. They keep quiet, and I can guarantee that they’ll be keeping very quiet at the moment.
islam is a totalitarian idiotology masquerading as a religion.
The most retrograde force in human history, even worse than fascism and collectivism. Combined.
“Meanwhile, there appear to be quite strong links between the Australia Palestine Advocacy Network, and the aboriginal sovereignty movement.”
Unsurprising. I await Mark Leibler’s thoughts on this.
Cronkite
There doesn’t appear to be much radicalization in the Iranian diaspora in the US or here too. Granted, these people are the secular types.
They have other faults, especially their dress sense and appalling taste in homes and furniture, which should be a serious consideration for immediate deportation.
I’m just watching images of the hostage taking in Israel. Why do so many hostage takers look black? When did Palestinians become Africans? What is going on?
Apropos of the attack upon Israel, Noah Pollack wrote in The Free Press almost 24 hours ago.
A very good easy to read summation of events on the ground up to the time of writing.
Oh come on: if I’m wrong and this wasn’t an intelligence failure; the plan was to allow Hamas to invade Israel…
I don’t think you understand how intel works.
Mossad etc may very well have gathered info that said Hamas was going to attack. But very rarely does information gathering, and the ensuing analysis to turn it into an intelligence product, produce a 100% picture.
For example the US Navy broke enough Japanese codes to provide an estimate the Imperial Japanese Navy would attack Hawai. However they didn’t know when – although they had broken some of the code enough to show it would be a Sunday.
Forced to make a prediction, the intel shop predicted the Sunday before the actual attack. When it didn’t happen cue howls of derision.
And as I said before, even if you know the enemy will strike, sometimes politically a country says “well we’re not going to strike first” because a) they want the high moral ground, and b) if you delay you buy yourself more time. Think of what would have happened if the USA had attacked Japan…. It might have cost them allies who would definitely come on board in a war of self-defence, but not in a war of oppressing the Asians.
Israel may well have thought Hamas was going to attack, but their estimate was “not yet”. In fact they may have had some information that it was definitely going to be “in a month” or whatever. So if you think that part of the product was 100% right you don’t do anything.
Back when I was in the business we used to get our predictions about 65% right. Better than a coin toss. But it means 35% of the time you’re wrong.
Crossie
Black all over. or just black balaclvas, as worn by the AP reporter linked to earlier?
P – jacks, marbles, string cat’s whiskers – did you ever to the string Sydney Harbour Bridge? And Hop Scotch? What great memories your experiences bring back for me too – of an era. When my older kids were young you used to be able to buy plastic ‘knuckle bones’, so the old games continued on even though knuckle bones didn’t.
Also, Kookaburra in the Old Gum Tree was sung to me by a local school choir in Sri Lanka in 1973. It’s universal. 🙂
“I’m just watching images of the hostage taking in Israel. Why do so many hostage takers look black? When did Palestinians become Africans? What is going on?”
Most Gazans are not ethnic Arabs from the West Bank. Gazans are Egyptians.
Cronkers
Next time you’re in Beverly Hills, stop by Bijan and rug up in a pink sports jacket and anything else you need. The store suits you’re style, I think.
Understated Persian, I’d call it.
Again – why aren’t collectivists out en masse in the streets screeching incessantly that the Wussia/’kraine contretemps needs to be ended toot sweet?
For the same reason that they won’t be out there screeching about evil arabs attacking the Jews.
Hypocrites. Moral and ethical vacuums and I’m being kind here, Cats.
= your
Doing their practical exam, before heading off on a European vacation.
If you want a clear cut example of why one side of this is NOT the same as the other side, that there is ZERO moral equivalence, I give you this one example…..one side does not murder civilians, and then parade the mutilated bodies of those civilians through streets, with people screaming and screeching feverishly like they’re in a satanic death cult, baying, baying, baying at the site of the dead mutilated corpses of dead Jews.
Here’s the reality, Islam IS a satanic death cult.
I don’t have an exact reference, but one of the accounts I read of the Yom Kippur War cited Israeli reconnaissance flights as reporting Egyptian troop and tank convoys moving down to the Suez Canal, before the attack. The Israeli High Command rejected a pre-emptive strike, after the negative international reaction, to such a strike in 1967.
evil arabs (BIRM)
Anyway, you get dark and fair Arabs, you get dark and fair Jews.
If you are driving – yes, it is. Looking forward to hearing how you go whatever way you get there. Just watch out for the altitudes in those Swiss Alps.
At last the weird insomnia, giddyness, faint nausea and fuzzy headache have completely disappeared from me, and I am feeling in normal sorts again. I think altitude sickness might best explain it after the gondola up to 9000 ft and an energetically steep walking climb after that.
On the top of Hitler’s Eagle’s Nest the other day I was tempted to climb the last hundred metres up a stepped gravel pathway to the Christian Cross at the very peak of this plateau’d peak, but the words of Dr. Fausus – ‘silly girl’ – held me back. I drank hot chocolate and didn’t over-exert myself even at this altitude. Still got a bit giddy, but well worth it for the views and the historical experience. Well counselled, Dr. F.
Mormonism is the better comparison, imv.
(Aside from the theological points of comparison, the early Mormons used violence and terror as tools to control people & Joseph Smith advocated beheading as the purest form of capital punishment.)
Sorry Cass, let me clarify – evil moozley arabs (BIRM) …
Dr. Faustus, to be precise. Sorry for dropping the ‘t’. Sticky keyboard issues.
“They have other faults, especially their dress sense and appalling taste in homes and furniture, which should be a serious consideration for immediate deportation.”
Umm…yep. Iranians, be they Shia, Sunni, Jewish, Zoroastrian or Bahai just love excess in everything they do.
I’m a fan of HOP Time™.
Lengthy public floggings in a public square, followed by a slow drawn out hanging from the neck until dead, with the head then mounted on a pike. On a public thoroughfare.
That’s how much I hate the stupid evil quisling pieces of excrement that have destroyed this planet in the time I’ve been on it.
Quite frankly, no mercy.
I’m envious of the week in London – I used to frequent Foyles and Waterstones bookshops….
nayzee scum. Stop trying to hitch yourself to dead Jews, enabled by your third partee haters, you vile bastards.
Black all over like Sudanese, no balaclavas, they didn’t seem to be concerned about being filmed. This film was in a Channel 7 news report.
Interestingly they seem to be Greek. The Minoan sea peoples escaping the Thera disaster landed on the coast and have been there ever since.
That’s a very objective comment coming from you, Turtlehead. We’d expect no less. Tell us, when you had the heart transplant, did you also get a testicle transplant to replace the microscopic sized one? It’s great to see you venturing out of your dependency
thing you have going.
Really? Brandenburg Gate was lit up in the Israeli flag colours? FMD
A lot of water under the bridge since then, Bruce.
Headline at the ABC:
Good Lord
The young woman who was murdered and paraded so callously was German.
Reality tends to concentrate minds.
Currently I am reading the book – The Spirit Behind the Voice: The Religious Dimension of the “Voice” Proposal – edited by Gabriel Moens and Augusto Zimmerman. I purchased it at CPAC. Each chapter is by a different author with all contributors arguing against the proposal.
In his chapter (4) on truth, transparency and trust and the closed door approach the voice will take if it gets up, Bob Gregory refers to Scott Morrison having himself sworn in secretively as treasurer (and other portfolios). As treasurer, Gregory writes that Morrison was able to control decision-making by the FIRB (pages 73-74).
I did a search and found a number of media reports that confirmed this report after a FoI request was lodged.
Crossie – we’re talking the braindead lamestream meeja here. It would make sense for the palestinians to try and pin it on the tribe they hold in the most contempt.
Black people.
The Israeli High Command rejected a pre-emptive strike…
Depicted in the film Golda, Zulu, which we watched a couple of weeks ago. Worth your time – a remarkable woman. Helen Mirren does an excellent job.
In terms of predicting this, you have to remember that there might have been intelligence murmurings, but as Top Ender and others have said, it would be hard to estimate when, where etc.
This attack by Hamas has been extraordinarily brazen, yesterday they launched a multifaceted attack, sending in gliders, boats (eliminated by the Israeli navy) and using trucks and armed vehicles to crash through barricades. They’ve attacked on Shabbat, and also on a high Jewish holiday, the culmination of three weeks of Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Succot and Simchas Torah. This was clearly very deliberate and calculated.
One good thing, the IDF won’t be taking prisoners The aim will be to get the hostages, the soldiers and the bodies. We must get the bodies.
Experts warn that their pants might spontaneously combust.
Please…let there be a shortage of fire extinguishers.
Bruce of Newcastle
Oct 8, 2023 6:37 PM
Interesting read thks, BoN
+1 upstick
“A lot of water under the bridge since then, Bruce.”
Indeed. Philistines disappeared into history. Gazans are Egyptians.
Now over 300 dead, thousands injured.
Yep, BB. You would have thought that it might occur to them (of all people) to keep their box heads down* and not try to draw attention to themselves.
But, overweening tin eared tone deaf sanctimony will out.
*How much “aid” has the EU given to “palestine”?
I know, Cassie. The memory, as well as the etymology, lives on.
JC
Oct 8, 2023 6:13 PM
Cronkers
Next time you’re in Beverly Hills, stop by Bijan and rug up in a pink sports jacket and anything else you need. The store suits you’re style, I think.
Understated Persian, I’d call it.
Excellent; some cute owls to celebrate. They would look terrific in that ear; but then they look terrific out of it.
It was amusing that after 1967 the Egyptians didn’t want Gaza back. Sinai yes, but Gaza no. Egyptians aren’t dumb.
The Grand Dame of acting.
Pommy labour’s annual conference starts Monday.
Things could get a bit sporty.
The Germans have at least faced their collective guilt [Kollektivschuld] for the Holocaust.
Western countries generally (including Australia) have little to be proud of during the period in regard to Jewish immigration (pre and post war). We could have done a lot more.
Fact Check: True
Vanessa Redgrave is unavailable for comment.
And, oddly, the role.
I’ve been having a lot of trouble accessing JPost, they seem to be under attack. No issues with Haaretz or Arutz Sheva though.
Ah here we go, the article I was trying to get to has now come up.
Israel suspends supply of electricity, fuel, and goods to Gaza (JPost, 8 Oct)
Good. The Arabs can feed them.
Apologies, Rog. Not feeling in a particularly forgiving mood at the moment.
Anyway, here’s some Miss Ellie, at her most beautiful.
ooops …
No need, Rabz…I’m not German!
But I think it’s a point worth making.
“The Germans have at least faced their collective guilt [Kollektivschuld] for the Holocaust.””
I remember reading a while back that Europe likes and honours dead Jews, it still isn’t that fond of living Jews, particularly those living in Israel.
It isnt that I feel compelled to contribute to this discussion .. sometimes I have something worthwhile to relate .. but Hey I can just as well keep it to myself ..
The EU has funded Palestinian terror for decades.
Victor Davis Hanson
@VDHanson
A 50th Anniversary War?
I did notice a couple of terrorists appeared to be sub saharan Africans.
Who knows who had been recruited for a jihad ?
Oh my, think of the poor suffering Gazans.
It’s a different Gaza this morning (BBC)
No internet? No pron? How will they cope?
Absolutely obvious that a large percentage of aid has been used to fund weaponry.
I wonder if my post will appear? I haven’t given myself a provocative “nom de guerre” .. I only see you guys as a useful aggregator.. and I take it as I see it.
hang on
a switch needs flicking
better get a god oracle
I’m watching that other Voice, the talent show on Channel 7. Rita Ora’s picked finalist actually sings better then Rita, they just did a duet of Tina Turner’s You’re The Best.
My indifference to the plight of the poor, suffering, Gazans is total.
Rita Ora is a singer?
Things you learn on the Cat eh
I suspect Iran has played a large role here.
In respect of which, Joe Biden has some questions to answer.
would that be PORN?
An adidas bikini Hollyweirdette.
I am surprised NSW Labor are lighting up the Opera House.
Good on them.
Not that there is anythang wrong with that …
What should the U.S. instead do?
It should quit talking to Iran and restore full sanctions against it. It should cut off all aid immediately to all the Palestinians. It should undertake a 1973-like massive arms lift of key munitions to Israel and warn Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and others in the Middle East not to intervene or else, given that Israel will need several weeks to deal with Hamas and Gaza. And if it shows any hesitation or weakness, other terrorist groups will opportunistically jump in.
That’s funny in a vomit sort of way. The US is being run by obama who hates Israel and is a muslim poofta. Anyone who thinks this was not done because obama runs the US should go and suck his black dick; and Michelle’s too.
What do you expect?
The whole exercise has been based on misreading public sentiment.
And there’s been no shortage of voices in Labor telling him so.
I’m colour blind, so I had it as pink. I think of that image a lot. If only to remind me that negotiating with people who would do that – nay, celebrate it – is not to be condoned.
Given they’re a bunch of raving anti-semites.
Hypocrisy and virtue signalling.
Has the Danby been contacted for comment?
Roger
I suspect that AnAl has reached the stage that he wants Da InVoice to go down in a screaming heap, so that he can give the “waaaycissst” proles the benefit of his brand of personal abuse.
And that’ll do Mr. 32%’s prospects of re-election no end of good.
“Rabz
Oct 8, 2023 7:02 PM
Helen Mirren does an excellent job
The Grand Dame of acting.”
Rabz,
Helen Mirren was accused of “Jew Face”, for her turn as Golda. The woke crowd are really scraping right now. Even the fact that Golda Meir’s family actually asked for Helen Mirren to portray the great Lady didn’t stop the whining.
It wouldn’t have mattered if Gal Gadot had played the part, with a ton of make up!, they are really complaining about the film having been made at all.
I am looking forward to seeing it.
Islam is not a religion but a vehicle for Arab supremacy. Ever notice how converts take some kind of name with Abu in it? And start using Arabic phrases? And wearing Islamic dress?
For me, Islam gives a religious veneer to all the darkest impulses of the human heart:
Want that gorgeous woman? She’s an infidel and your Koran says you can take what your right hand possesses. If you rape her, well, it’s her fault. Uncovered meat and all…
Want that property that your Christian neighbour owns? Accuse the person of having blasphemed Mohammed (this happens often in Pakistan) and the legal system or the mob will do the rest.
Bit tired of the wife now she has had five kids and lost her figure? No dramas. You can take another (younger) wife and it’s perfectly acceptable. No thought to the societal impact of another man missing out on the chance of family formation and the sense of purpose it brings.
After all, if (child-raping, slave-owning, murderer) Mohammed did it (and he is the perfect example for humanity), it’s good enough for any Muslim.
I hope Israel plays this one to psychological perfection and strikes first and foremost at everything the Hamas leadership holds dear: Take out the mosques, their own personal residences, their weapons caches and their terrorist infrastructure. Humiliate them and their false prophet.
But as far as possible, leave the Palestinian people untouched. Many of them have been brutalised more than we see by their Hamas rulers.
” they are really complaining about the film having been made at all.”
Eggsactly.
I think that’s giving Obama far too much credit, it’s more likely that the administration is run by the same people who ran his government. That’s the thing about the US at present, Biden is obviously a vegetable and Obama is just a dilettante so nobody really knows who is pulling the strings. I wonder if the world will ever find out what is going on. By the same token, because there is no commander in chief the whole of the Western world is in a very precarious position. Very dangerous times.
Gypsy
A pair of young peoples …
I remember seeing a movie of Golda Meir made in the 70s starring Ingrid Bergman. I can’t remember though whether it was good or ordinary.
Nope, note inclined to be that generous. They seem to take a lot of pleasure in western calamities, disasters and attacks.
Sorry Rabz, they’re sold out already.
Mattel releases Stevie Nicks Barbie doll, but it’s already sold out (4 Oct)
Maybe they’ll do a Julie Bishop one, if you ask them nicely.