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Jorge
Jorge
October 9, 2023 8:12 pm

Iran, Hamas and Palestinian terror have been financed and egged on by various US administrations, specifically the Obama and Biden administrations, and other spineless Western governments in the UK, France, Canada and here in Oz,

Money brought peace to N Ireland. Ian Paisley, family and retainers all benefited nicely, thank you.

Same in Palestine. The terrorists fighting at the bottom on the streets are being paid off. At higher levels there would be plenty of cream going into stashes like Arafat had in Switzerland. Somebody like Trump understands this and knows how to leverage it.

It’s not hard. Fanatical ideologues but also hard men who stay in power because they pay off gunmen and private armies while mouthing slogans and exploiting and preserving poverty. It’s as corrupt as any other camel pasture.

After the shooting stops this is the dirty way forward.

miltonf
miltonf
October 9, 2023 8:12 pm

they are just unpaid agents (of the ATO largely)

yes and howard made it even more so

cohenite
October 9, 2023 8:13 pm

Kenny very good on the muzzies. What a pity he is brain dead about the screech

Robert Sewell
October 9, 2023 8:14 pm

Matrix Transform:

Gaza is 20km long and 365 km2 just annex it and destroy Hamas
be more like a liberation than an invasion
besides, Palestine isn’t a thing … worry about the West Bank later

There’s a lot of concrete there – it would make a great rubble pier out to the Israeli oil/gas platform.
We could call it the Gaza Causeway.

calli
calli
October 9, 2023 8:14 pm

The scab is well and truly off the Nazi Palestinians now.

And their Greens supporters.

The mask has slipped. But who has eyes to see?

JC
JC
October 9, 2023 8:14 pm

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. The cops are not prohibiting people from attending the pro- Israeli rally. They urging folks not to go, and also warning them the other side are violent crims.

I don’t read this as a prohibition. They’re telegraphing potential safety concerns.

Police tell Jewish community to avoid Sydney tribute
Alexi Demetriadi

NSW Police have warned Sydney’s Jewish community from attending the CBD on Monday evening for the lighting of the Sydney Opera House’s sails over safety concerns.

It comes with a condemned pro-Palestine rally taking place on Monday evening before the lighting of the sails with the Israeli flag, although the Jewish community have since been urged to stay at home.

“NSW police are urging the community not to attend the Sydney Opera House or Town Hall this evening,” an email from the NSW Jewish Board of Deputies to members said.

“Community members already in the CBD should be vigilant as protesters are likely to seek to march from Town Hall to the Sydney Opera House.

“The events tonight may pose a risk to the safety of community members and you are strongly urged not to attend.”

The board have been in contact with NSW Police throughout the day and it is understood the new advice came from assistant Police Commissioner Tony Cooke.

NSW Jewish Board of Deputies president David Ossip said it was disturbing and concerning to know the community were not safe in their own city.

“It is a very sad state of affairs when security concerns mean that the Jewish community is not safe to go to certain parts of the Sydney CBD,” Mr Ossip said.

Zatara
Zatara
October 9, 2023 8:14 pm

It’s risk avoidance in the hope the more reasonable side isn’t attacked.

JC – It’s enabling shit behavior by a group of people who can’t control themselves, which only reinforces their perceived “right” to act out.

Short term solution is to announce that for public safety reasons the march is cancelled. Enforce that with arrests. This is neither new nor is it rocket science. They know how to do it as they have done it in the recent past, but to responsible citizens.

Long-term solution is to learn from this and stop importing them.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 9, 2023 8:15 pm

GreyRanga Oct 9, 2023 8:09 PM
Sal, 80,000 acres. 640 acres /per sq mile.

That would be only 125 sq miles.
Gaza is 140 sq miles (just a touch over actually)

JC
JC
October 9, 2023 8:17 pm

Fair enough Zat.

bons
bons
October 9, 2023 8:17 pm

We should be so grateful to the Lakemba muzzies.
Another nail into the Trots coffin.

calli
calli
October 9, 2023 8:20 pm

They’re telegraphing potential safety concerns.

I get this, JC.

The Premier, no less, has directed that the Opera House is lit with the Israeli flag.

The Palis/Lakembaites/Greens have decided to protest this.

Exactly who has the right to be there? The ones with whom our government “appears” to sympathise with, or the deadshits doing the terrorism?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 8:20 pm

yes and howard made it even more so

That’s one way of looking at it. VAT and similar taxes are a lot of work, although much of it would be automated through modern bookkeeping systems. I don’t necessarily have a problem with consumption type taxes -although the failure to remove a number of the other taxes is a legitimate gripe. Collecting 20 or 25% VAT makes the temptation even greater.

Indolent
Indolent
October 9, 2023 8:21 pm
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 9, 2023 8:23 pm

members of the crowd started screaming “f-ck Israel”, and “f-ck the Jews”

Sydney Harbour is about 100 m from there. Perhaps plod could do the right thing? The water isn’t even very polluted these days.

Robert Sewell
October 9, 2023 8:23 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Oct 9, 2023 6:46 PM
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000+ dead Israelis and who knows how many hostages suggest that it doesn’t.

Zatara – A few pistols do not a defense against a major offensive make.
They’re pretty good for sending stabby Arabs to Allah though.

I did see that there were a lot of individual defensive actions taken by the locals in Sderot and thereby, but the Palis were armed by Iran with serious kit. I think they took out at least two IDF tanks

The other thing I noted was the settlement housing isn’t suited for home defence.
The houses need to be two story, with no ground entrances and liftable stairs that can be locked.
They will require explosives to enter, and the time delay will allow the defenders to defend choke points with military grade weapons.
Time and warnings is what will make the attackers lose momentum. Once an attacker loses momentum, its over for them.

Roger
Roger
October 9, 2023 8:23 pm

I can’t describe my anger. Where’s the Nazi puncher?

Where’s Albanese?

It was all peace and love at Lakemba mosque last Friday.

The NSW Board of Jewish Deputies is right, people who approve the atrocities committed by Hamas have no place in a civilised society.

This is Popper’s paradox of tolerance: a society that is too tolerant of intolerance will eventually see the tolerant suppressed and destroyed.

miltonf
miltonf
October 9, 2023 8:24 pm

Yes excreta creature trumble actually wanted to raise the GST to 15% iirc.

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 8:29 pm

Some light relief, courtesy of my mother. I have just spoken to my mother. Distressed about what’s happened in Israel, worried about my stepfather, she went to visit him today at his nursing home. He’s been there now for about five weeks, and for the first two weeks, when arriving, she had to have a stupid Covid test and wear a bloody mask. Anyway, the nursing home stopped the compulsory testing and wearing of mask about three/four weeks ago. However today, Mum parked her car, got into the nursing home lift and came into direct contact with the nursing home Nurse Ratched. This Nurse Ratched was new, Mum hadn’t seen her before. When Mum got into the lieft, Nurse Ratched shouted at Mum because she was maskless, My mother said “so?”. Then Nurse Ratched continued shouting at Mum. My mother tried to explain that testing and marks were no longer necessary, that they had received an email weeks ago from hospital management stating this and that every day she comes here and isn’t required to wear a mask or have a test. But Nurse Ratched couldn’t be calmed, and continued to be abusive to my mother. Mum followed her to the reception and the nurse passed Mum a box of masks, to which my mother said….”I don’t I’ll be putting on any mask, thank you very much, you can’t make me put on any mask because I know what the rules are”, then mum said she picked up the box of masks, threw them on the floor and said “I am going to see my husband now”.

All this time my mother had her glamorous walking stick which she said she was seconds away from using against Nurse Ratched. If you ever read that an elderly woman in a nursing home has been arrested for hitting a nurse with a walking stick, it’ll be my mother!

My sister later emailed the nursing home to complain, attaching the original email from hospital management sent weeks ago that said testing and masks were no longer mandatory.

cohenite
October 9, 2023 8:29 pm

Yapping and moaning just makes Israel and Jews bigger targets. As I say about the conservatives and the left, so to the Jews and the world with islam: you are not dealing with rational, reasonable humans, you are dealing with ferocious, mad animals. And what do you do with mad animals?

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 8:34 pm

Only 22 seats to vote yes…..hmm, I reckon all the Teal seats will vote YES.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 8:35 pm

Where’s Albanese?
It was all peace and love at Lakemba mosque last Friday.

That didn’t age well. Expect Rowe will take it up soon.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 9, 2023 8:36 pm

Yes excreta creature trumble actually wanted to raise the GST to 15% iirc.

Wasn’t John Hewson calling for a 15% G.S.T. in 1993?

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 9, 2023 8:37 pm

Cheryl Kernot @cheryl_kernot
45m

Lighting up the Opera House sails in the colours of Israel??? Why are we taking sides? This is not a new “war.” This is decades unresolved.

… and Jesus wept.

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 8:39 pm

At the Opera House, are the police going in and arresting the protesters screaming “f*ck the Jews”? If not, why not? Will the ABC report this?

This is disgusting.

Robert Sewell
October 9, 2023 8:39 pm

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Roger

Oct 9, 2023 7:38 PM
I’m sure the police are rationalising it thus, but it’s cowardice on their part.
And don’t imagine the pro-Hamas crowd won’t take note and be emboldened.

That’s why they’re doing it – it worked last time, so they’re doing it again.
And police cowardice is enabling the tactic.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 9, 2023 8:40 pm

Wasn’t John Hewson calling for a 15% G.S.T. in 1993?

Did that apply to cake, or not?

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 8:41 pm

So we have a lurking downticker who supports the chant “f*ck the Jews”.

Interesting

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 8:42 pm

Just got robocalled by Yes23 on a mobile. Thought that was just landlines?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 9, 2023 8:43 pm

Israel needs to level the joint!

Water, power….everything!

Attack on Israel from Gaza – LIVE Updates & Breaking News War Coverage

calli
calli
October 9, 2023 8:43 pm

we have a lurking downticker

Cassie, it’s “free speech”.

Arseholes gotta fart.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 9, 2023 8:45 pm

WA Premier attracts critics with show of support for Israel

WA Premier Roger Cook posted in support of Israel on Monday.

The Premier posted on X from the @RogerCookMLA account: “Buildings and landmarks across WA will be lit up blue and white tonight in solidarity with the people of Israel.

Our Government is thinking of all Jewish Western Australians who have family and friends in Israel, and who may have lost loved ones in these attacks.”

However not everyone was happy about the show of support with responses to the post including:

“Ew f_ck that. Free Palestine,” @CommieLiam replied.

“If I am not mistaken – Israel has caused immense harm to the civilians of Gaza over many years, which side is the most correct?” @LeeC2030 responded.

FREE PALESTINE – with every purchase over twenty dollars…

Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
October 9, 2023 8:45 pm

Not so sure about teal seats voting yes. I live in one. The Yes spruikers at the train station disappeared weeks ago. And I reckon about a third of the houses that had vote Mon-the-serious-wine-mum posters up during the election have Yes posters up. Yes volunteers gave up hassling people at Mailing Road shops a month ago. Mailing Road must be the most passive, somnolent and boring place on the planet. So getting scared off from there is quite a feat.

Dot
Dot
October 9, 2023 8:47 pm

Just annex the joint and put it under Israeli law. Permanently. No need to go after Hamas in any way… just pursue criminals. Perhaps, I will grant, with much zeal, but whatever.

A lot of agreement, Mark from Melbin.

It’s a sensible middle ground between “nuke the following people” and being in a constant state of besiegement.

132andBush
132andBush
October 9, 2023 8:49 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Oct 9, 2023 8:04 PM

+700

Imagine if, after the Christchurch shooting, a stack of Jews had marched around yelling “F*ck Islam”??

They’d still be locked up.

This bullshit can’t be allowed to happen, as I said before it is inciting violence and supporting genocide, or cheering it on at the very least.

The cops need to shut this crap down pronto.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 9, 2023 8:51 pm

“As a Salvadoran with Palestinian ancestry, I’m sure the best thing that could happen to the Palestinian people is for Hamas to completely disappear.

Those savage beasts do not represent the Palestinians.”

– Nayib Bukele, President of El Salvador

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 9, 2023 8:52 pm

JC:

What if they don’t think they can?

Then they’re admitting they’ve got their jobs under false pretences. As such, resignation is the only option. And that includes the hierarchy.

This is also why we shouldn’t we recruiting 5 ft nothing females into the police.

We need a new policy of applying force to deter those who do not wish to maintain the peace. That will require the end of all diversity picks in the police.

As Sal just pointed out, the police used force on non-threatening females during the lockdowns and had no trouble with enforcement of the rules then.

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 8:52 pm

“The NSW Board of Jewish Deputies is right, people who approve the atrocities committed by Hamas have no place in a civilised society.

This is Popper’s paradox of tolerance: a society that is too tolerant of intolerance will eventually see the tolerant suppressed and destroyed.”

Yep.

JC
JC
October 9, 2023 8:52 pm

Dot

Annexing means taking in a bunch of out of control loons. Why?

Would you give them Israeli citizens?

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 9, 2023 8:53 pm

Those assholes trod all over normies, now it’s time to put their big boy pants on & treat fighting age men the same, or show cowardice.

They earned the name pigs, it’s not just a stray insult.

Quite …. What they did to ordinary citizens these last 3 years has poisoned their relationships for a generation….I used to regard them as brother emergency workers, now I will never again lift a finger to help them.

MatrixTransform
October 9, 2023 8:53 pm

a sensible middle ground

cut the head off the snake

… then pursue criminals

rosie
rosie
October 9, 2023 8:54 pm

I’ve been reported ‘telemarketing’ calls to my mobile as spam and blocking them.

JC
JC
October 9, 2023 8:54 pm

= citizenship

Lee
Lee
October 9, 2023 8:55 pm

It’s the same old, old story; people are killed (and kidnapped, and presumably tortured) by Islamist terrorists, but the latter are the “victims,” and they were forced into fighting back!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 9, 2023 8:56 pm

With the Voice and then the hideous assault on Israel taking up the Cat today, as it should, maybe a little travelogue from Italy might be very skippable, so I’ll keep it short, just as an update. We’re staying in a sixteenth century Italian villa of listed historical significance, in large and very beautiful grounds, situated outside Treviso in a more suburban area. Once inside the main gates though it is another world, one we luckily have to ourselves, the whole villa is ours to enjoy and use, as no-one else is staying till Wednesday when we leave and the last guests from when we arrived yesterday left this morning. It is unbelievably redolent of past times, furnished with wonderful antiques both large and small, and with amazing architecture and ornate gilded and carved marble topped fireplaces. The grounds are well-groomed, extensive and very walkable. The room we have two stories up a marble staircase is very comfortable with its own terrace. The ‘concierge’ is rarely around. We are lords of this manor, using the remarkable old kitchen for preparing breakfast, eating in the dining room which still has some C16th frescos, and now sitting in the main living room admiring the grand piano in the corner. We shall lunch and dine at nearby restaurants so they do not encourage much cooking, though we did eat-in salad-style from a nearby Lidl supermarket last night using the quality plates and cutlery provided.

And it is very affordable for Aussies, at just under two hundred of the Little Aussie Battlers a night. Anyone travelling this way might like details, happy to provide them.

A brief respite from the storm of the modern world. Ancestral and bucolic paintings on the walls for reflections on other things.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 9, 2023 8:57 pm

Seeing reports, from Palestinian accounts, that Hamas have obtained Manpads & are using them against Israeli helicopters.

They’re claiming to have brought down Four IDF helicopters – not destroyed, but damaged them causing a forced landing & putting them out of action.

The Manpaids are claimed to be diverted from munitions intended for Ukraine.

Robert Sewell
October 9, 2023 9:05 pm

Zk2A/Bons:
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Oct 9, 2023 8:06 PM
The poor kid had obviously pooped herself, but our media betters chose to desecrate her memory by showing that horror.

It may just save her from a pack rape, but it certainly won’t save her life.

Dot
Dot
October 9, 2023 9:07 pm

Would you give them Israeli citizens?

If they wanted it, on a pathway.

I’d demand public loyalty oaths and otherwise bribe them to leave for Egypt or the West Bank – forcibly but still give them the bribe if they left.

It would absolutely poison the “River to the sea” rhetoric.

If the PA couldn’t keep control of the West Bank or greenlit more attacks, the West Bank would soon become permanently Israeli too.

You’d expect Lebanon and Syria to wise up after that, but maybe not.

caveman
caveman
October 9, 2023 9:07 pm

Well, here you go: cute owl, camels included.

Technically it’s not a true camel toe, it’s more a faux toe on account of the stitching.

miltonf
miltonf
October 9, 2023 9:08 pm

I see Kernot’s crawled out of the woodwork. Disgusting creature.

miltonf
miltonf
October 9, 2023 9:08 pm

Who’s next? Evans?

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 9:10 pm

So, the human garbage marched through Sydney CBD streets, chanting death to Israel and “f*ck the Jews”. They’re calling for genocide against Jews, on Australian streets.

I know many of you think I’m always full of words, but actually tonight I’m now struggling, I’ve seen the Nazis on our streets, at Town Hall, and I’m now lost for words. Some things just crush a person.

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 9:11 pm

“Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Oct 9, 2023 8:56 PM”

Thanks Lizzie, can’t wait to see you both.

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 9, 2023 9:12 pm

It was all peace and love at Lakemba mosque last Friday.

Albo’s appearance at the Mosque will be his Chamberlain coming back Munich moment.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 9, 2023 9:13 pm

We are paying much less here than the usual three hundred or so Aussie dollars a night (or more) in the Alpine and Tuscany region, the cost often, but not always, depending on whether using a hotel or an apartment.

These common-area rooms where I sit are all part of the oldest section of the villa. The main living room I am in now has wall dado’s up to 5 ft in flock Italianate wallpaper, plus there are seven oil paintings, mostly large ones, two other hung watercolours, four extensive wall candelabras and a grand chandelier, plus three sets of sofas plus chairs, two consoles, two coffee tables, an occasional table and the square table I type at has six carved antique chairs; all this plus the grand piano in the corner. The gilded fireplace is breasted on each side with two C16th heads, one male and the other female. This is the sort of room around which people sometimes ‘took turns’ for privacy in discussion, a la Jane Austin.

I was down here alone last night after Hairy ‘went up’ and had to turn off all the lights before I ‘went up’ too. It was quiet, dark, and a bit spooky as the ages hung in the night air.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 9, 2023 9:14 pm

Nayib Bukele, President of El Salvador

He’s been hitting sixes lately. Nice to see a country with a clue.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 9:14 pm

The Manpaids are claimed to be diverted from munitions intended for Ukraine.

Well you can be certain the media will not be following up that claim.

Lee
Lee
October 9, 2023 9:15 pm

Albo’s appearance at the Mosque will be his Chamberlain coming back Munich moment.

Getting their endorsement for their Yes vote is really looking like an own goal, especially after the attack on Israel.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 9, 2023 9:15 pm

Sal you said 25 x 5 miles. Wiki has it at 365 sq km which is wrong. All the figures I’ve seen are all over the place. 25 m x 5 m average is about right. Your 90,000 acres is probably more right but I don’t know where you got your figures from. A bit mixed up.

calli
calli
October 9, 2023 9:15 pm

Cassie, I’m the opposite. So many words that I can’t keep up. So I’ll pass for now.

In the end all goes through to the Keeper. And the judge of all the earth will do right.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 9, 2023 9:15 pm

It’s a sensible middle ground between “nuke the following people” and being in a constant state of besiegement.

Annexing a strip of ground with one of the highest population densities on Earth, over half of who live below the poverty line?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 9:16 pm

I see Kernot’s crawled out of the woodwork. Disgusting creature.

Judge them by the company they sleep.

rosie
rosie
October 9, 2023 9:16 pm

We always knew they were there, Cassie, they’ve emerged from their sties before.
Don’t forget Australia has had homegrown terrorists for a long time.
Was better when they went to Syria and found their jihadi heaven though.

cohenite
October 9, 2023 9:18 pm

FMD, PML is a dickhead: the problem for the Israelis is how do you punish the guilty he says sweetly without injuring the poor innocent pallies. He is a fuking moron: there are NO innocent pallies/muzzies. Look at the slime we have in Australia. Some idiot from the ADF is agreeing with him. Also chatting about saving the hostages; the hostages are gone.

One of the great damaging myths is that there are bad and good muzzies.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 9, 2023 9:23 pm

The concierge guy who also does the rooms goes home at 8pm, comes back at 8 the next morning, and hides away in a little office near the laundry away from the house when on the premises. There is a ferocious ‘ironing system’ there which he is going to show me how to use on the washing we did in the last apartment (where the iron had gone missing). He is helpful, sub-continental in origin, and speaks almost no English.
The villa has the appearance of being slightly left to its own devices by absentee owners, who do the essentials but are just managing to keep it running.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 9, 2023 9:23 pm

The more I hear about your mum,Cassie, the more I like her.

Dot
Dot
October 9, 2023 9:24 pm

Annexing a strip of ground with one of the highest population densities on Earth, over half of who live below the poverty line?

They can bend the knee or live with fellow Arab Muslims with a cash gift and leave to a brethren neighbour.

Israel patrols the streets and Iranian-built rockets stop falling on Israelis, 30%+ of Gazans despise their rulers.

The idea is to absolutely poison the “River to the Sea” ideology and be a credible deterrence for states or quasi-states allowing or engaging in further rocket attacks, ambushes or hostage-taking. If it starts up in the West Bank, in a few more months, not only Gaza is Israeli, but so is the West Bank – forever.

Arky
October 9, 2023 9:24 pm

The Moscow-Beijing- Teheran axis:

China, With $400 Billion Iran Deal, Could Deepen Influence in Mideast
The countries signed a sweeping pact on Saturday that calls for heavy Chinese investments in Iran over 25 years in exchange for oil — a step that could ease Iran’s international isolation.
-August 2023.
..
BEIJING, Feb 14 (Reuters) – China’s President Xi Jinping on Tuesday called for the early and proper resolution of the Iran nuclear issue while expressing his support for the Islamic Republic in safeguarding its rights and interests, according to Chinese state media.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 9, 2023 9:27 pm

That’s not flock wallpaper, I just felt it, it’s tapestry!

Over and out now, leaving you all with the Voice, Ukraine and now Israel.
Will get my dose of that here later and in reading the Oz for news.

Muddy
Muddy
October 9, 2023 9:29 pm

One wonders what cyber activity is taking place against the enemy right now.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
October 9, 2023 9:31 pm

MatrixTransform

a sensible middle ground

cut the head off the snake

… then pursue criminals

Cutting the head off the snake is easy to say and hard to do.

Annexing the lot and applying the law very, very, very narrowly might achieve that result and provide a salutary lesson or two. If it didn’t, the next annexation might.

I don’t think the Israelis have any good choices here, and I am sure that is the situation Iran wanted. They need to be very strategic, and whatever they decide to do, they need to go Nike.. just do it.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 9, 2023 9:31 pm

I had a sobering thought on how we are governed.
Everyone knows how much waste, duplication and outright corruption there appears to be in Aboriginal issues.

My thought.
How about it’s actually at all levels of government and departments, but because most people ” look after themselves” the dysfunction is nowhere near as noticeable?

Lets face it, some of the most screwed up people in Australia are those exposed to Moar giviment. Units, public serpents and housos.

Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
October 9, 2023 9:35 pm

The bloke in the sneakers with the wrapped Israeli flagged getting dragged off by the pathetic coppers is just as sad as all the crap coppers put us through in Victoria. Wallopers are now little more than tax collectors and enforcers of woke. Pity.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 9, 2023 9:37 pm

Lee
Oct 9, 2023 8:55 PM
It’s the same old, old story; people are killed (and kidnapped, and presumably tortured) by Islamist terrorists, but the latter are the “victims,” and they were forced into fighting back!

“Now look what you made me do!”

The cry of abusers everywhere.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 9, 2023 9:38 pm

Sal, earlier and apropos of NSW plod:

They were able to bodyslam housewives to the ground for … walking the dog in the suburbs. Girls sunbaking alone in the middle of a 5-acre suburban park brought a multi-car police response.

Thus NSW Plod can shove it up their clacker. They can grow a set of male genitalia & bluddee well take on the hotheaded weirdo beardos who threaten people who want to look at the Opera House being lit up.

Oh yes. Yesss, indeed.

You don’t get to wander about in tactical gear terrorising nannas in parks and sunbathers without also dealing with proper halfwits, in this instance who would also be roided up with beards down to their guts, and you know, being loud.

Wear the gear, do the job. The peace is being broken or it isn’t.

If it is, then deal with it. If you don’t, then let me be clear – any other course of action is abject cowardice, and all that fancy turtle suit equipment you wear should be thrown in the bin as you walk out the door to your next career at Bunnings or Chemist Warehouse.

Abject. Cowardice.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
October 9, 2023 9:39 pm

Annexing a strip of ground with one of the highest population densities on Earth, over half of who live below the poverty line?

What better strip of ground to annex?

Half live below the poverty line? Gee, whillickers… if the Israelis can’t make a better fist of it than that, I will walk bare arse backwards down Bourke Street!

Make it work over a decade or so, and see what happens next.

No easy choices…

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 9, 2023 9:39 pm

. If you ever read that an elderly woman in a nursing home has been arrested for hitting a nurse with a walking stick, it’ll be my mother!

Can I suggest one of these as her next birthday prezzie?

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Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 9, 2023 9:41 pm

As a Captain Obvious moment – nobody should be terrorising nannas in parks in any event.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 9, 2023 9:41 pm

Link fail.. so much link fail

MatrixTransform
October 9, 2023 9:44 pm

Wear the gear, do the job. The peace is being broken or it isn’t.

you’re full of shit KD

MatrixTransform
October 9, 2023 9:45 pm

go tag another Nanna with pepper-spray

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 9:49 pm

From the Oz…just in…

NSW Police Minister should resign over Jewish community call
SIMON BENSON

It is almost beyond belief that Jewish residents of Sydney have been told to stay in their homes because the police can’t guarantee their safety.

This is nothing short of a disgrace. And the NSW police Minister Yasmin Catley should resign for allowing this to happen.

There is almost no equivalent for the appalling lack of judgment by the NSW police to allow a pro-Palestinian march on the CBD, knowing members of the Jewish community might want to attend the Opera House.

This has denied the Jewish community the right to join in solidarity over the murder of their people in favour of a protest that seeks to celebrate it. Presumably the protest will have a police escort.

It is madness.

With all the instruments of State, it is equally implausible that the NSW police can’t keep the Jewish community safe.

And it could have easily been resolved.

Catley must bear ultimate responsibility for this decision, one which flies in the face of the decision of her Premier Chris Minns to light up the Opera House in the first place as a mark of respect to the Jewish community.

And it is one the minister will come to regret.

One can only imagine the shock from Jewish leaders when told by police that they should urge people to stay at home.

They will be justifiably outraged and should be demanding of an explanation from the NSW government and the NSW police.”

MatrixTransform
October 9, 2023 9:50 pm

nobody should be terrorising nannas in parks in any event.

yet they did … because, Inspector Obvious … proper halfwits also wear a uniform

some things you should just stfu about

talk about stolen valour … how about invented valour?

if youse dumb-arses didn’t get told what to do you would know what to do

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 9, 2023 9:51 pm

Wear the gear, do the job.
….
you’re full of shit KD

Still spoiling for a stoush I see, Catweazle – regardless of circumstances, and over 24 hours after you wandered in last night hoping to land another tranche of monosyllabic gibberish.

Okay then. Point out exactly what was wrong with that statement. In detail.

Not just ‘mong’ or ‘derivative’ or ‘solipsistic’ or ‘dicks wanking’ or ‘don’t get it’.

Put your actual argument up, because anything less just makes you what people take the piss out of.

A mouthy switch-flicker, lacking in substance, and extremely easy to take the piss out of.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 9, 2023 9:53 pm

nobody should be terrorising nannas in parks in any event

I already said it was a Captain Obvious moment.

Have another Bundy from someone else’s esky.

Then – as an afterthought – regale me again with the Death CaMp near Attwood, and let everyone know the body count.

Robert Sewell
October 9, 2023 9:53 pm

Arky

Oct 9, 2023 9:24 PM
The Moscow-Beijing- Teheran axis:
China, With $400 Billion Iran Deal, Could Deepen Influence in Mideast
The countries signed a sweeping pact on Saturday that calls for heavy Chinese investments in Iran over 25 years in exchange for oil — a step that could ease Iran’s international isolation.
-August 2023.

That will be interesting when some wing of the Palestine Peoples Liberation Front decide the Chinese Oppressors are as bad as the Jewish ‘Oppressors’, and decide to do something about it.

Muddy
Muddy
October 9, 2023 9:55 pm

Annexing a strip of ground …

A war of attrition will always favour the side which values their own people less.

The reoccupation of Gaza may be inevitable, but sadly, one wonders if a static occupation by itself will be a sound investment.

One can only hope that the full spectrum of weapons (including economic, financial, and informational) are utilised.

As Mark wrote above, there are no enviable choices.

shatterzzz
October 9, 2023 9:56 pm

I wonder who prodded Ho Chi Minns into lighting up the Opera House? .. The bloke is a follower not a leader a decision of this magnitude must have come from elsewhere cos whatever else Ho Chi Minns has shown to date it hasn’t involved “growing a pair” …….

shatterzzz
October 9, 2023 10:01 pm

Why doesn’t Israel get really serious with the Gaza neanderthals? .. shut off the electricity & water and tell ’em they ain’t getting it back until ALL hostages are released & back home …….. then turn the f**kin’ place into a car-park entrance for a glassed over Iran ……..

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 10:02 pm

I don’t want Gaza annexed.

I want Gaza razed.

MatrixTransform
October 9, 2023 10:02 pm

I already said it was a Captain Obvious moment.

I’ll tell you what’s obvious mate

that you reckon yr a force for good and that you can do no wrong

… just doing yr job right?

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
October 9, 2023 10:08 pm

A war of attrition will always favour the side which values their own people less.

Kinda my point, Muddy. If possibly in reverse.

It is crystal clear that some significant consequences must fall upon many, many Gazans. It is how those consequences are managed / meted out I hope the Israelis get right. Whatever that might mean.

If they get it right, the whole narrative changes.

(That would, just to make it clear, require more wisdom and mercy than I could possibly muster. But someone pays these folk to be wise… Goose’s “do that pilot shit” does spring to mind.)

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 9, 2023 10:08 pm

shut off the electricity & water and tell ’em they ain’t getting it back until ALL hostages are released & back home

I think the Israelis have already turned off the electricity and water.

MatrixTransform
October 9, 2023 10:11 pm

spoiling for a stoush I see

are you retarded too?

C.L.
C.L.
October 9, 2023 10:13 pm

Joe Hildebrand plays the “tiny minority” card re Sydney’s Opera House terrorists.

Liz Storer promptly stomped on him.

She doesn’t back off.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 10:16 pm

H B Bear

Oct 9, 2023 8:04 PM

I don’t understand how they would do that Bear? In my case the ATO only takes money from me

Failing to submit GST returns, failure to submit PAYG, failure to submit superannuation. A lot of money churning through businesses isn’t actually “theirs” in any real sense of the word – they are just unpaid agents (of the ATO largely). Significant debts to the ATO is the first sign of trouble.

Yes.
A couple of us tried to help out a mate years ago whose construction related business was in strife.
After a couple of hours of raking over the entrails, I asked, “Hey, where’s the group tax?” (It was months in arrears).
“Err, well, yeah. I’ve talked to them about that. They’re fine.”
“No. They are not fine. If you tell them you can’t pay they will just say “hmmm”. But they won’t wipe the slate on that basis.”
They didn’t.
Bankrupt.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 9, 2023 10:17 pm

I want Gaza razed.

Gaza, razed, would have it’s finest hour as a car-park for the local franchise of Makka’s.

cohenite
October 9, 2023 10:18 pm

PML showed 6 folk talking about their screech vote; the 3 guys all voted no; the 3 middle aged skanks all voted yes because it was the right thing to do. A 2 week holiday for each of them on the Gaza Strip is in order.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 10:20 pm

Cheryl Kernot @cheryl_kernot
45m
Lighting up the Opera House sails in the colours of Israel??? Why are we taking sides? This is not a new “war.” This is decades unresolved

Get back to sucking Gareth’s dick.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 9, 2023 10:20 pm

I’ll tell you what’s obvious mate
that you reckon yr a force for good and that you can do no wrong

Exactly what I was talking (coherently) about.

Please explain what was wrong with the original comment. I understand completely that you have got the wrong end of the stick, again, and that your hilarious wrongness combined with your apparent infallibility is great viewing.

NB: I actually am in the smallgoods business. I do actually live in the NT. I also do actually find your antics hugely impressive.

Champ.

The original comment. Explain what was wrong with it.

mong

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 9, 2023 10:21 pm

Daily Mail.

THE VOICE REFERENDUM LATEST

Linda Burney ditches Channel Seven’s Voice debate with Jacinta Price to appear before a more sympathetic audience on ABC’s Q+A – as her understudy becomes the new face of the Voice campaign in the final stages

Pity – I would have liked to have seen Linda Burney asked if she stood by her claim that she was “Flora and Fauna” before the 1967 Referendum.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 10:24 pm

Dunny Brush

Oct 9, 2023 8:45 PM

Not so sure about teal seats voting yes

I agree.
The seat by seat numbers will make interesting reading.
Don’t mean anything for the referendum, of course, but might make a few arses pucker if a Teal seat returns a sub 40% Yes vote.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 9, 2023 10:25 pm

are you retarded too?

No, but I’ still waiting for an explanation as to why my point of view that jacks in tactical gear are okay to smash nannas in parks, but aren’t okay to drag Pali supporters down NSW streets by the ankle and away from normal people – is wrong.

As Rory Breaker said in Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels:

‘And now – you may enlighten me.’

Muddy
Muddy
October 9, 2023 10:26 pm

One can imagine numbers of international media and NGOs clamouring to get into Gaza now. Accidentally killing too may of them may not look so good.

Serious question: Which countries are Israel’s major trading partners, and what economic pressure could be applied to Israel?

duncanm
duncanm
October 9, 2023 10:27 pm

One fairly important problem with Gaza is a very large (no idea of %) proportion of the population also despises Hamas and most likely wants peace.

How do you separate the two parts?

Probably impossible – best to just push them all towards the docks and have Lebanon, the West Bank or Iran take them. Get the mussie countries to step up and Gazans can have a choice.

Then annex the lot, turn it into greater Israel.

Arky
October 9, 2023 10:28 pm

Hamas is basically Ted Bundy in organisational form.

MatrixTransform
October 9, 2023 10:29 pm

A couple of us tried to help out a mate years ago whose construction related business was in strife.
After a couple of hours of raking over the entrails, I asked, “Hey, where’s the group tax?” (It was months in arrears).

nice one sancho … just needs more road-rage

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 9, 2023 10:29 pm

If Trump gets back in, he should “encourage” the UN to redefine what a Palestinian refugee is.

Currently, they’re the only group of refugees in the world who never lose their refugee status despite being citizens of another country and not being born anywhere near the place.

That refugee status in perpetuity is one of the reasons – and perhaps the main reason – why they continually remain fixated with claiming their “right of return”.

JC
JC
October 9, 2023 10:32 pm

At least Ted was on the side of high tariff walls. We can at least give him that.

JC
JC
October 9, 2023 10:34 pm

Here Muddy.

I guessed before looking it would’ve been the US at the top. We’re 25th.

Israel’s Top Trading Partners

Below is a list showcasing 25 of Israel’s top trading partners, countries that imported the most Israeli shipments by dollar value during 2022. Also shown is each importing country’s percentage consumption of total Israeli exports.

United States: US$18.7 billion (25.4% of total Israeli exports)
mainland China: $4.7 billion (6.4%)
India: $3.9 billion (5.4%)
United Kingdom: $3.2 billion (4.3%)
Ireland: $2.6 billion (3.5%)
Netherlands: $2.42 billion (3.3%)
Türkiye: $2.36 billion (3.2%)
Belgium: $2.03 billion (2.8%)
Brazil: $1.93 billion (2.6%)
Germany: $1.88 billion (2.6%)
France: $1.87 billion (2.5%)
Hong Kong: $1.62 billion (2.2%)
Italy: $1.53 billion (2.1%)
Taiwan: $1.40 billion (1.9%)
Switzerland: $1.38 billion (1.9%)
South Korea: $1.31 billion (1.8%)
Spain: $1.21 billion (1.6%)
Singapore: $1.16 billion (1.6%)
Japan: $1.13 billion (1.5%)
Canada: $1.04 billion (1.4%)
Cyprus: $1.04 billion (1.4%)
Greece: $683.9 million (0.9%)
Russia: $648.2 million (0.9%)
United Arab Emirates: $635.5 millio

cohenite
October 9, 2023 10:34 pm

Get back to sucking Gareth’s dick.

And vice versa.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 9, 2023 10:35 pm

I think the Israelis have already turned off the electricity and water.

Not seen any mention of water. Been closely watching.
They’ve cut off the power, blocked the tucker resupply, lobbed missiles onto the mobile phone & internet repeaters.

But no mention of water. (Of course this need not mean they’ve left it running.)

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 9, 2023 10:35 pm

Pity – I would have liked to have seen Linda Burney asked if she stood by her claim that she was “Flora and Fauna” before the 1967 Referendum.

Zulu, her seat is one of the No ones according to today’s Sky report.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
October 9, 2023 10:35 pm

Hildebrand is struggling on The Late Debate, Liz Storer is killing it. I don’t usually stay up this late to watch, but tonight it ha been a ripper show.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
October 9, 2023 10:37 pm

My nearby Teal electorate is listed among the probable NO’s – how excellent !

JC
JC
October 9, 2023 10:38 pm

They’ve been busy little beavers on the energy side too. I recall about a decade ago, they hit black gold in the Med and now:

Once completely reliant on imports of oil and gas, Israel is now self-sufficient and an exporter of natural gas.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 10:39 pm

hzhousewife

Oct 9, 2023 10:37 PM

My nearby Teal electorate is listed among the probable NO’s – how excellent !

I lost the link to that.
Where did you get it from?

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 10:41 pm

“Liz Storer is killing it. “

Yep, she’s a warrior.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 10:41 pm

cohenite

Oct 9, 2023 10:34 PM

Get back to sucking Gareth’s dick.

And vice versa.

Come on, man!
Not all ladies have dicks.

cohenite
October 9, 2023 10:43 pm

Not all ladies have dicks.

And vice versa.

JC
JC
October 9, 2023 10:43 pm

I thought Turkey has viciously turned on Israel when Mustache Pete (Erdogan) came to power, but Turkey is hiding in the list at 7th spot.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 10:44 pm

JC

Oct 9, 2023 10:32 PM

At least Ted was on the side of high tariff walls. We can at least give him that.

That was Al Bundy (shoe salesman).
Not Ted Bundy (serial killer).

JC
JC
October 9, 2023 10:45 pm

LOL, I forget the series. Was Al a shoe salesmen?

Indolent
Indolent
October 9, 2023 10:48 pm

Victor Davis Hanson
@VDHanson

Israel, Our White-House Absurdities, and the Left’s Empire of Lies

The Biden administration is furiously trying to contextualize its past, unsupportable policies that have sown global chaos, especially in the Middle East. But the more it spins, the clearer its culpability.
Does it really believe that the long-agreed-upon U.S. green-lighting of $6 billion in sanctions relief to Iran has had no role in Iran’s terrorist support of Hamas, whether psychological or material or both? Do they think we are that stupid?

Even a first-grader might surmise that if a terrorist state knows that an impending $6-billion bonanza will shortly arrive in its coffers, then it will more readily in the here and now send arms to Hamas—on the logical assumption that those costs soon will be more than covered, while making the additional assumption that the United States is complicit in its own fungible use of sanctions relief cash, and thus not innately hostile to Tehran’s self-professed agenda. In short, Tony Blinken is either a naif, a fool, or to use his words “misinforming”.

These administration’s megaphones who deny such fungibility always end up mouthing the same arguments as the lying and murderous theocracy in Tehran.

But then why not—given the Biden-appointed Robert Malley, previously known as Obama’s ISIS advisor (and we remember how that worked out in Iraq), and a self-declared expert on Hamas rapprochement, eagerly accepted the offer to restart the disastrous Iran deal and normalize Iranian-American relations?

And Malley was indeed eagerly at work—until he was stripped of his security clearance for his alleged unlawful dissemination of classified documents, and in addition fell under further scrutiny allegedly for treasonous efforts to insert pro-Iranian activists into the State Department.

What also was behind the initial, natural instincts of the State Department’s “U.S. Office of Palestinian Affairs”? On news of the attacks, our State department in Pavlovian fashion immediately posted: “We urged all sides to refrain from violence and retaliatory attacks. Terror and violence solve nothing.”

Yes, as lots of us predicted, that insane virtue signal would eventually be taken down—but only in response to Americans outraged at its amoral inanity.

Was our government’s first inclination to stop Israel’s counter-responses to systematic Hamas murdering? Should Israelis accept another 800, 1,000, or 2,000 dead women and children in the interest of abiding by the instruction of the American “Office of Palestinian Affairs” to avoid “retaliatory attacks”?

For that matter, does the Biden administration admonish Ukraine to refrain from “retaliatory attacks”—since, in its logic, responding to Putin’s “terror” with Ukrainian counter “violence” would “solve nothing”?

Or is it just Israel, a democratic ally, that deserves these sermons?

Or do they not reflect the embarrassing reality that there is a core Democratic base—the toxic Squad, AOC’s Democratic Socialists, the fusion media, and some of the identity politics caucuses—who are Hamas apologists, even if that bankrupt ideology descends into ignoring or condoning the abject slaughter of civilians in their homes?

And are we really to believe, as told, that resumption of hundreds of millions dollars in aid to the Palestinians was also not fungible and used to aid the current murderous agendas of Hamas?

But do not just believe supporters of Israel about that reality.

Instead, read what dissidents in the State Department themselves warned at the time of the dangers of Biden’s resumption of aid to the radical Palestinians: “We assess there is a high risk Hamas could potentially derive indirect, unintentional benefit from U.S. assistance to Gaza. There is less but still some risk U.S. assistance would benefit other designated groups.”

The administration is, of course, back peddling furiously, given its prior appeasement of Iran and Hamas, if not an outright tilt against Israel—again policies that reflected the embarrassing core constituency of the Democratic Party.

Americans should not listen to what Biden’s team now conveniently says, but instead to what it actually does in the upcoming weeks when it is under fire by its base in the new woke Democratic Party, as the Israelis have to go into Gaza, end this toxic death machine, and confront the Hamas global propaganda machine.

A hard rain is soon going to fall abroad.

And the United States better get its house in order, whether defined as standing with its few dependable allies left, securing its own oil and gas supplies, protecting its borders, un-woking and rebooting its suspect military, recalibrating its all too often incompetent and politicized intelligence bureaus—and thus preparing for a world turned upside down.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 10:48 pm

“Married With Children”.
Al was definitely a shoe salesman.
Worried about textile and footwear tariffs he was.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
October 9, 2023 10:50 pm

Sancho, Andrew Clennell was reporting a new poll on Sky, it may be published in print tomorrow. Or it was listed here on a previous page – sorry, too late at night for me to chase up.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 9, 2023 10:50 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPOS-lScCL4

The film “Rabbi Proof Fence” pulled apart, as the nonsense it is. Seems one of the girls who starred in it , went on to become a prominent activist in the “BLM” movement.

Indolent
Indolent
October 9, 2023 10:54 pm
JC
JC
October 9, 2023 10:54 pm

Indolent

The loons were in Times Square. The streets don’t look like that.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
October 9, 2023 10:55 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 10:56 pm

We have been watching “Beckham” on Netflix.
I was never a big fan of Posh and Becks but the show is brilliant.
They are either very good actors or actually quite funny and personable people.
Jeez, the shit served up after his red card in the 1998 World Cup was something else. Went on for months. Not even Davey Warner deserved that level of abuse.
Some of the old football footage was great. Man, he was the God Oracle of the swerving and dipping free kick.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 9, 2023 10:56 pm

Kernot really is a vile old slag.

Regarding the lighting of the opera house.

Cheryl Kernot
@cheryl_kernot
·
2h
This was such a poor decision
@ChrisMinnsMP
Unnecessarily provocative in Australia.

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 10:57 pm

So, tonight Sydney Jews were told by NSW Police to stay away from the Sydney Opera House, a building where, since 1973, thousands of Jews have played, performed and visited.

And yet tonight NSW Police, the same police that allowed scum to protest a funeral earlier this year, stood by and allowed Nazis to let off flares, to burn an Israeli flag and to scream Death to Israel and “F*ck the Jews”.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 9, 2023 10:57 pm

Usual suspects.

—-

steveinman:

Just another day at Walmart

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 10:59 pm

hzhousewife

Oct 9, 2023 10:50 PM

Sancho, Andrew Clennell was reporting a new poll on Sky, it may be published in print tomorrow. Or it was listed here on a previous page – sorry, too late at night for me to chase up.

Ha ha.
Thanks.
(I was hoping someone would do my homework for me).
Anyway, opinion polling aside, the electorate-by-electorate numbers on Saturday will be interesting.
The question is, if an opening presents itself, will the Liberals go for the juggler?

Cassie of Sydney
October 9, 2023 11:01 pm

Cheryl Kernot has always been a fat bovine mediocrity.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 9, 2023 11:03 pm

Anybody actually seen an image of the Opera House lit up with Israeli Flag?

JC
JC
October 9, 2023 11:03 pm

Mole

I think the Pali soaked left in the west has made a serious mistake by throwing their support to the loons.

People see pictures like this in newspapers or on the web (and I bet Twitter traffic has skyrocketed in the past few days), and they can’t imagine how any decent person could throw their support to the Palis.

Just a hunch that opinion on the left may have swung towards Israel, at least for now.

Muddy
Muddy
October 9, 2023 11:04 pm

Thanks, JC.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 9, 2023 11:05 pm

Okay, Israeli govt now reporting they’ve cut off the water into Gaza.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 11:06 pm

The link to SkyNews put up by Old Ozzie earlier today where they predicted people in only 22 seats would vote Yes.
It isn’t totally polling.
It is polling, then demographic extrapolation, so the error margin would no doubt be higher, but not enough to help Luigi.

JC
JC
October 9, 2023 11:10 pm

Anyway, opinion polling aside, the electorate-by-electorate numbers on Saturday will be interesting.

Does the AEC show stats by electorate for refs?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 11:13 pm

Cassie of Sydney

Oct 9, 2023 11:01 PM

Cheryl Kernot has always been a fat bovine mediocrity.

Always found it one of the great mysteries of human civilisation.
That Cheryl Kernot and Gareth Evans both found two people on the planet who would root them.
Who can forget her meltdown on election night after crossing to the Liars? Looked like she wasn’t going to win the seat she had been pre-selected for, so unloaded on the ALP hierarchy. I think she got up on postal votes later.
Awkward.

JC
JC
October 9, 2023 11:13 pm

Hundreds show out for pro-Palestine rally

Oz

I reckon it’s 300 tops.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 11:15 pm

Does the AEC show stats by electorate for refs?

It’s not relevant as it isn’t a general election, but booth numbers would be available, and Antony Green’s compuda will then crunch the numbers.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 9, 2023 11:16 pm

Echoes of Kevin Rudd in Anthony Albanese’s popularity slide

DENNIS SHANAHAN

In the last six months of campaigning for the referendum for an indigenous voice to Parliament, voter satisfaction with Anthony Albanese has fallen 12 percentage points, from a near historical high of 57 per cent to 45 per cent in Newspoll.

It is clear as Prime Minister Albanese is paying a price for seeming to be distracted from the main issue of cost-of-living pressures on peoples’ lives by a moral issue that is not the top priority of ordinary Australians.

What’s more, it appears his crusade for an indigenous voice to parliament and executive government could face a devastating defeat at Saturday’s referendum.

Voter satisfaction may seem to be a mere ancillary figure to the more telling crushing support for the no vote in the referendum but there is an historical parallel which will send shivers down the collective spine of the ALP.

In the same period of time – just six months – Kevin Rudd suffered the same loss in voter satisfaction – 13 points – as he fought for the moral issue of climate change and dealt badly with illegal boat arrivals and asylum-seeker policy.

In political terms the weight given to voter satisfaction and dissatisfaction with a leader is far less important than the polling for primary vote, preferred prime minister and the two-party preferred calculation but it can presage problems for both the Prime Minister and the Government.

Voter satisfaction – which can be used to provide an index of voter feeling by calculating the difference between satisfaction and dissatisfaction – for Albanese in the latest Newspoll was minus 1, only the second time he has had a minus reading.

Just in May Albanese had a 57 per cent rating for voter satisfaction and dissatisfaction of just 38 per cent – a differential of positive 19 percentage points.

In the six months between October 2009 and April 2010 voter satisfaction with then prime minister Rudd fell from 63 per cent to 50 per cent and dissatisfaction rose from 28 per cent to 41 per cent.

Rudd’s historical high of voter satisfaction was 71 per cent and was 67 per cent in mid-October 2008.

But as Rudd started to push for his carbon pricing scheme – the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme – to address climate change as “the moral challenge of our lifetime” voter satisfaction fell rapidly. His campaign went badly, he didn’t get it through parliament and in April 2009 backed away.

Simultaneously, Rudd was failing to deal with growing illegal boat arrivals, a far greater concern among the public than climate change, and lost all credibility when an Australian ship was stranded in Indonesia with 78 Sri Lankan asylum seekers trying to reach Australia.

Rudd had been distracted from a prime concern of the public while trying to create a system to address climate change and failed. Voter satisfaction plummeted and never returned to the giddy heights of 70 per cent.

Indeed, the collapse of the climate change plans, anger over the asylum seeker issue and the onset of Labor’s mishandling of the mining tax ensured Rudd’s voter satisfaction never went above 50 per cent again and was the leading indicator for a collapse of support for him as leader and for Labor as a government. Indeed it was the end of Rudd’s leadership.

It all started with voter satisfaction falling first.

Albanese needs to ensure that if the voice referendum fails he immediately shifts back to focus on cost-of-living remedies for households and doesn’t revisit a moral campaign or blunder on a major policy.

Voter satisfaction may be the least important of the Newspoll indices but it can be a deadly leading indicator.

Oz

Yes, and Tanya may be his Julia…

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 9, 2023 11:17 pm

JC

They think the normal rules apply.
Israel will blow up some locations, ” green helmets” will cart the same dead kid to 7 locations while fat Fatima the granny wails outside a destroyed weapons dump festooned with toddler toys like Santa’s version of Verdun.

I think the Israelis are seriously grumpy this time and a number of enablers of Hamas etc in 3rd countries may not be as immune to the blowback as they think.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 11:18 pm

Who can forget her meltdown on election night after crossing to the Liars? Looked like she wasn’t going to win the seat she had been pre-selected for, so unloaded on the ALP hierarchy. I think she got up on postal votes later.

A lot of people get tired and emotional on election night. Particularly those that might have to go and find a job. Wonder what sweet nothings Biggles had promised her?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 9, 2023 11:21 pm

Fair enough.

Lidia Thorpe moment 0:47. Crawling across the floor.

steveinman:

Store owners have had enough

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 9, 2023 11:23 pm

I think Captain Albo is going down with the Voice ship. A wag might note unlike Dad.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 9, 2023 11:24 pm

IIRC Dear Cheryl of the coffee plunger & recruited by nookie had a fair bit to say about the bogan demographics of the seat of Dickson & how could she be expected to lower herself to dealing tradesman, warehouse stormen, etc, & how she’s accustomed to a better class of voter, people who have real jobs (i.e. in a university or newsmedia) & how filthy she felt having to deal with the bogan whinges to the local member, etc etc.

Must have made for some subsequent interesting consultations with the electorate.

JC
JC
October 9, 2023 11:24 pm

will cart the same dead kid to 7 locations while fat Fatima the granny wails outside a destroyed weapons dump festooned with toddler toys like Santa’s version of Verdun.

LOL.

I think I read the Israelis have cut off their phone services. Does that mean there won’t be any Paliwood or will they get the wailing Fat Fatima vids out some other way?

I wonder if toilet paper is in short supply now?

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 9, 2023 11:26 pm

I confess, I too am “not Bob Hawke”.
(sniff)
A common affliction, or so I’ve heard.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 9, 2023 11:27 pm

Crikey, there’s no shortage of First Nations activists supporting Hamas, & slating the NSW & Federal govts for “siding” with the stinking Israelis.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 9, 2023 11:29 pm

I think I read the Israelis have cut off their phone services.

They’ve blown up via missile/rocket much of the internet & phone repeater capacity in Gaza.
Reduced service to a fraction of before, apparently not totally cut it off. (yet)

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 9, 2023 11:35 pm

This one’s for Cassie. Old age, and a liking for strong drink have dulled my recollection, but as Australian author, John Laffin, wrote an account of the Israeli incursion into South Lebanon, in 1982, which featured two incidents of note. One featured the veteran of all Israel’s wars, including 1948, serving alongside his two sons, and the other was an account of some of the propaganda images, created by the Pali’s….the bed sheets hung out the window, in the hope that the evil Jews wouldn’t destroy the house – in fact, it’s an old local custom, which indicates that a girl of marriageable age lives there….

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 11:36 pm

H B Bear

Oct 9, 2023 11:23 PM

I think Captain Albo is going down with the Voice ship. A wag might note unlike Dad.

Going to be interesting to see how he disentangles himself from da Voice flypaper without appearing, well, racist.
Lucky for him that Noosa Noel will fall mute on Sunday.
God knows what he might have to say if it were not for the vow of silence.
Mind you, Sugar Ray Martin has made no such pledge, so …

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 9, 2023 11:39 pm

A lot of people get tired and emotional on election night. Particularly those that might have to go and find a job. Wonder what sweet nothings Biggles had promised her?

Mazda Szubanski was particularly distraught in 2019.
Got into the comfort food to console herself (Tim Tams).
ScoMo has gone, but she is still seeking solace in the Arnotts aisle.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 9, 2023 11:41 pm

Crikey, there’s no shortage of First Nations activists supporting Hamas, & slating the NSW & Federal govts for “siding” with the stinking Israelis.

Won’t a voice in the Constitution settle that?

Muddy
Muddy
October 9, 2023 11:42 pm

I don’t pray, but heading off to bed, I’m sparing a thought for any hostages still alive. May Shin Bet have informants in your vicinity.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 9, 2023 11:47 pm

Daily Mail.

ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR

Revealed: Tattoo artist Shani Louk, 30, whose naked body was paraded by Hamas terrorists after rave massacre was a peace campaigner and conscientious objector to military service in Israel

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 9, 2023 11:51 pm

John Laffin

I remember him.
Was asked several times in France, did I know him?
I met ’em halfway & said I’d read his books, followed by lots of head nodding to imply a connection.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 9, 2023 11:53 pm

Shani Louk, whose naked body was paraded by Hamas terrorists after rave massacre was a peace campaigner and conscientious objector to military service in Israel

They’ve left the word “German” out this time.

caveman
caveman
October 10, 2023 12:08 am

I think Captain Albo is going down with the Voice ship.

Hence all the overseas jaunts, got keep those frequent flyer points up.

“Yes” vote will probably be under the 32% that voted for him. Serves two purposes that Australians dont want a race based constitution and that Elbow is a FW.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 10, 2023 1:53 am

The seat by seat Voice vote analysis – Daily Mail

Robert Sewell
October 10, 2023 3:29 am

I was just about to nod off when I thought:
What if the Israeli Intelligence Service had a General Milley in their ranks who had refused to pass on the news of the impending attack because he was – not a traitor in the original sense – but a Leftist who got the size of the attack completely out off scale?
In other words does Israel have a much more functional Swamp where the Left have infiltrated all the Organs of the State and was trying to embarrass the government?

Tom
Tom
October 10, 2023 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
October 10, 2023 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
October 10, 2023 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
October 10, 2023 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
October 10, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
October 10, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
October 10, 2023 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
October 10, 2023 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
October 10, 2023 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
October 10, 2023 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
October 10, 2023 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
October 10, 2023 4:11 am
DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 10, 2023 4:19 am

Thanks, Tom.

miltonf
miltonf
October 10, 2023 5:03 am

Andrews and Blairgowrie, Kernot and St Leo’s- says it all in both cases

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
October 10, 2023 6:11 am

Good morning, being otherwise pre-occupied with things that overtake life, I was wondering if any gatto or gattina has seen or heard a certain minister in the current ineptocracy call ‘Palestine’ -‘a rogue state’? Just wondering.

Petros
Petros
October 10, 2023 6:36 am

Gareth Evans was a honey trap. Poor Cheryl couldn’t resist.

132andBush
132andBush
October 10, 2023 6:46 am

Just watched last nights scene from the Opera House.
Blood boiling.

The NSW police force has allowed a large mob of people to rally in support of a group whose core tenet is indistinguishable from that of the actual NA$I party. You know, the real one.

Apparently Israel is appealing to mothers for breast milk. A lot of orphaned babies.

Dot
Dot
October 10, 2023 6:51 am

Petros you win the cruel and hilarious award.

You are a very mean, very funny dude.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 10, 2023 6:53 am

Gareth Evans was Australias first beta male.

bons
bons
October 10, 2023 6:54 am

If you are Albanese and your whole world view has always been defined by the Inner West, then it makes perfect sense to go to the Mosque.
The Lakemba Mussies are critical to sustaining Labor in the only part of Australia that Albanese understands.
That the rest of the Nation would be shocked by such crass vote buying would never have crossed his mind.
After all, in Albanese’s mind Australia is just a big Party branch and he knows how to kick them into line.
He is completely incapable of understanding rural electorates so his old Torrie fighter instincts kick in – break them. Which is what he is doing.
Talking to people on the Downs (outside of Teachers’ Union Toowoomba) there is total disbelief at Albanese’s ignorance and contempt for Australia.
He’s going to need that Muzzie vote.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 10, 2023 6:54 am

You need a permit to protest in Sydney.
How were they given one the same night the opera house was being lit up?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 10, 2023 6:58 am

The White House didn’t participate in being lit up with Israeli colours.
Biden isn’t pulling the strings.
Obama is doing everything he can to let Iran off the leash.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 10, 2023 7:06 am

You need a permit to protest in Sydney.
How were they given one the same night the opera house was being lit up?

Exactly and Police Intelligence didn’t see this coming? Has the appearances of another BLM type throw hands in air and shrug of shoulders.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 10, 2023 7:06 am

The Washington Post is a disgrace.
Here’s what they actually published.
Trump gave Putin Iron Dome intel.
Putin gave it to Iran.
Iran gave it to Hamas.
F*ck.
Me.
Dead.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 10, 2023 7:09 am

Hamas fired 5000 rockets in 20mins.
Spend 15mins on YouTube and you’ll see that Iron Dome can not handle that.
But the Washington Post publishes it was Trump’s fault.
It’s beyond TDS at this stage.
Hopefully twitter community notes will catch up to this shortly.

Crossie
Crossie
October 10, 2023 7:10 am

Daily Mail.

THE VOICE REFERENDUM LATEST

Linda Burney ditches Channel Seven’s Voice debate with Jacinta Price to appear before a more sympathetic audience on ABC’s Q+A – as her understudy becomes the new face of the Voice campaign in the final stages

How does it make sense that when your cause is in trouble you choose a smaller venue to persuade people to your side? If she believed in her cause Burney would have chosen the highest rated TV network in the country to spread her word? I suspect she was afraid of a real debate where she would have to justify and support her claims.

I still think Burney is not well enough to do her job and should have retired when she first experienced health problems.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 10, 2023 7:10 am

FTB not only WAPO, saw yesterday News.com literally had a sentence in an article where it was breaking down numbers of deaths, Gazan children were in the count but not Israeli. Slips are showing.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 10, 2023 7:14 am

Pretty sure the people of Gaza would have seen 1000’s of rockets being deployed in the day(s) before this.
Yet no one did anything.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 10, 2023 7:15 am

Post on twitter.
Post on fb.
Post on TikTok.
Nothing.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 10, 2023 7:16 am

Tinta “ineptocracy”, one for the catictionary.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 10, 2023 7:17 am

They all have smart phones.
Not apple ones but the cheap ones.
They could set up an anonymous account in 5mins and posted something.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 10, 2023 7:19 am

Glad I’d finished my coffee Petros. In the darkness of the last few days that was a little bit of light.

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