Open Thread – Mon 16 Oct 2023


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Bruce in WA
October 16, 2023 1:36 am

First? Moi?

Thank you ball boys …

As a proud Viking/French/Pommy man I say …

Oh, God, goodnight!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 16, 2023 3:34 am

Caught in the time warp on the auld fred. Se reposting progress report:

Heading down the west coast of Greece now, after a visit to Olympia (the town not the peak, which is up north). We’d driven there by ourselves seven years ago but this time decided to take the virtual reality tablet tour (not drugs, just an ipad). Felt we should do something, not just relax on the ship. A mistake. They trundled us around the site in the afternoon heat and these things were fairly useless, old, poorly programmed and almost unnavigable, especially in sunlight. They looked about the same vintage that we’d eschewed taking last time; I’d thought they might add something new but they didn’t. The site of the ancient Olympics was still worth revisiting though.

Lizzie’s travel tip for Kittehs – always wear only sox and sneakers on all tours. Even sandals get grit in them and can be difficult. One poor girl today had chosen to wear medium high heels in a strappy sandal, and not solid heels but quite pencil-thin spikey ones that got caught in grills going over a stream and were hopeless on rocky pathways. She bravely soldiered on but you could see her feet were swelling.

I learned the hard way twenty years ago on Santorini when I took a tour of the flat central volcanic core in the middle of the caldera, wearing thongs. Hairy was at a conference in Germany leaving me there on my own without his good sense as a guide. We will be in Santorini again soon, hope this time to pick up a tour of Akrotiri, the pre-Mycenean site which was still being excavated when I was there last.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 16, 2023 3:39 am

Dressing for dinner here now. You do that, on cruises.

A lady’s maid would help. Hairy is just no good at it, trying to grasp what a bra extender hook system is about is beyond him. Just like a bra but with a bit added at the back because extra kilos, I say helpfully, but he still doesn’t get it. 🙂

Tom
Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
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Tom
Tom
October 16, 2023 4:11 am
Johnny Rotten
October 16, 2023 4:16 am

Thanks Tom.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 16, 2023 5:42 am

I was raised to curse Israel and pray for the destruction of Jews, writes AYAAN HIRSI ALI… That’s why I know all too well Hamas is another ISIS – whatever useful idiots in the West say

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12629243/raised-curse-israel-pray-destruction-jews-AYAAN-HIRSI-ALI-Hamas-ISIS.html

By AYAAN HIRSI ALI FOR THE DAILY MAIL

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 16, 2023 5:43 am

How good is Leak Jr today.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 16, 2023 5:50 am

8/10 in the Oz quiz today.
The first time I’ve had a boast worthy 8 for it seems like forever.
I had a 2/10 a few weeks back that made me feel quite stupid.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 16, 2023 6:11 am

When Aaron Rodgers ruptured his Achilles he was ridiculed by the usual crew mainly due to his anti COVID vax stance.
It’s always a season ending injury, at least.
Today, 6 weeks after his injury, he was out on the field throwing passes, no moon boot, no crutches.

To put this into perspective, Kevin Durant was out for a year & a half when he did exactly the same thing.
The reason I use him as an example is because, as youtube will show you, you can see the moment their achilles “popped” during their respective games with a bunch of camera angles.

If Aaron Rodgers comes back this season I hope he owns equity in the treatment/process.
It will revolutionise how achilles injuries are addressed.

Petros
Petros
October 16, 2023 6:31 am

May we have an NZ election thread, please? What are ACT and Winston Peters going to do, presuming they are required for a majority.

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 16, 2023 6:40 am

Just reading Janet A’s comprehensive piece in the Oz about how the No campaign succeeded. It’s a bit long to post (I’m sure someone will!), but very instructive about the organisational success of “Advance” formerly Advance Australia.

I’m guessing that because of Advance’s success in this campaign, Four Corners will very shortly have an episode on them. It will investigate the “dark and shadowy forces” that make up this “disturbing” and “secretive” “far right” organisation. It will come, bet your house on it. There will be no such investigation of GetUp, you can be sure.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 16, 2023 6:46 am

From the Mundine article in the Oz today.

Professor Langton responded to Mundine’s remarks, saying: “This is a very Trumpian play, this is the Steve Bannon playbook, create racial division by lying and then accuse me of being a provocateur.”

I am without speech.

Vicki
Vicki
October 16, 2023 6:48 am

Lizzie – cruelly, I have no sympathy for those who do not prepare properly for e tensile sightseeing in such places as Olympia. A friend once joined us when we rented a house in the Languedoc area of France. There are magnificent walks along the Canal du Midi & in the foothills of the black mountains & the many vineyards complete with what’s left of the Roman roads. Unbelievably she turned up with high heeled boots! So she staggered along on these boots. Incredible.

Vicki
Vicki
October 16, 2023 6:54 am

Intelligence expert in USA warns that Israel almost certainly will want to almost raze Gaza which will bring on (already started) involvement of Hezbollah in Lebanon & then Iran. He also predicts terrorist attacks within the USA & possibly elsewhere.

Batton down the hatches.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 16, 2023 7:05 am

Intelligence expert in USA warns that Israel almost certainly will want to almost raze Gaza which will bring on (already started) involvement of Hezbollah in Lebanon & then Iran. He also predicts terrorist attacks within the USA & possibly elsewhere.

Batton down the hatches.

Western governments will love it.
Gives them an excuse to implement new lock down rules ‘for our safety’ and limit everyone’s ability to travel.

Any number of laws are probably just waiting to be brought in under the guise of fighting the ‘new threat’.

Is any of this sounding familiar yet??

Crossie
Crossie
October 16, 2023 7:07 am

Professor Langton responded to Mundine’s remarks, saying: “This is a very Trumpian play, this is the Steve Bannon playbook, create racial division by lying and then accuse me of being a provocateur.”

This complete lack of self-awareness is why they lost, voters have a very good BS detector. What is amazing is that this is all a university professor could manage. Professors ain’t what they used to be or more accurately, they are not appointing the best. This is what degeneracy in a culture looks like.

Zatara
Zatara
October 16, 2023 7:13 am

Students for Pogroms in Israel

Despite the source (left-leaning Atlantic Magazine), I found this article to be fair and quite interesting.

rosie
rosie
October 16, 2023 7:16 am

Israel wants to eliminate Hamas.
I’m not sure that’s the same thing as raze Gaza.
They certainly want to remove all hamas infrastructure, tunnels rocket launch sites etc.
Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
I’m glad AYAAN had this article published.
Yes Hamas is the same as Isis, yes islam has hatred of Jews as a core doctrine (and subjugation of all infidels). Yes that means we can never be comfortable with muslims in our midst. Yes we are back to where we were pre covid. Yes it’s just a matter of time before we have terror attacks here.

rosie
rosie
October 16, 2023 7:29 am

Thanks Zatara.
Microaggressions versus being Jewish on campus today.
As for future employment, yes well, if your world view is so incredibly skewed I doubt you are capable of making good decisions about anything.
Most of those organisations at Harvard seemed to be muslim.
Perhaps there’s a message there too.

Cassie of Sydney
October 16, 2023 7:30 am

Students for Pogroms in Israel”

Students for murder of Jews.

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 7:32 am

I posted this on the Gaza thread.

I suppose you could call this an economist’s perspective. Why is Gaza a basket case?

Gaza could fish in the Atlantic and Med; yet they had 45% unemployment in early 2023. Their resource base is far better than the West Bank has in many ways.

Gaza (and the West Bank) has (have) gas and oil too.

The potential for cheap electricity, gas and petroleum.

Access to cheap food (high-quality protein).

The possibility of cheap, virtually unlimited desalinated water (which they could even sell on).

They haven’t gone anywhere but backwards since 2006.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 16, 2023 7:35 am

Two years gaol for telling the truth.

Labour Party to Make ‘Misgendering’ a Crime in Britain with Up Two Years in Prison: Report (15 Oct)

In a move that would introduce compelled speech laws, Sir Keir Starmer’s Labour Party is preparing to create new hate speech legislation that would punish people for referring to someone with the “wrong” gender pronoun.

According to a report from the Mail on Sunday, a Labour government would seek to elevate misgendering an “aggravated offence” putting it on the same level as assault or harassment motivated by race or religion, which comes with up to two years in prison.

Reclaim Party leader Laurence Fox added: “You can take your pronouns and your compelled speech and shove them where the sun don’t shine.

Well said Mr Fox.

Zatara
Zatara
October 16, 2023 7:39 am

The possibility of cheap, virtually unlimited desalinated water (which they could even sell on).

In 2020 the World Bank provided them $117 million to create desal plants.

So far… crickets.

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 7:41 am

According to a report from the Mail on Sunday, a Labour government would seek to elevate misgendering an “aggravated offence” putting it on the same level as assault or harassment motivated by race or religion, which comes with up to two years in prison.

What if a woman is raped by a trannie?

She stumbles into a police station…please help me, I was raped by a pervert pretending to be a man!

“It’s Ma’am, madam; plus you get two years in the can.”

Cassie of Sydney
October 16, 2023 7:41 am

In 2020 the World Bank provided them $117 million to create desal plants.”

I think we know what they spent the $117 million bucks on.

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 7:41 am

woman

D’oh!

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 7:42 am

Poverty is a choice at the governmental level.

Zatara
Zatara
October 16, 2023 7:42 am

“It’s Ma’am, madam; plus you get two years in the can.”

Except it would be “citizen” not “madam”.

Cassie of Sydney
October 16, 2023 7:45 am

“please help me, I was raped by a pervert pretending to be a man!”

Speaking of “perverts”….where is our pervert apologist? He’s been vewy vewy quiet lately.

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 7:45 am

Citizen?

Tax serf 24601?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 16, 2023 7:51 am

Aaron Berg, the Jewish comedian I mentioned last night, has had people tweeting train timetables to Auschwitz at him.
The anti-Semites are a pack of sickos.

Cassie of Sydney
October 16, 2023 7:55 am

I reckon NO will get up in Mackellar.

Zatara
Zatara
October 16, 2023 7:56 am

France putting 7000 troops on the streets

France is mobilizing 7,000 soldiers and increasing its alert status to “emergency attack” level after the death of a teacher in the northeast town of Arras, stabbed to death Friday by a former student with a record of Islamic radicalization.

He has been named as 18-year-old Mohammed Mogouchkov, a former student at the school of Chechen origin who was the subject of “active monitoring” by France’s General Directorate of Internal Security DGSI.

Busting up nascent riots with water canons? Activating and deploying reservist troops? It appears France isn’t screwing around this time. Then again, given the amount of military aged male muslims they have allowed into their country they don’t have much choice.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 16, 2023 7:59 am

Bradfield yes when I last checked. FMD.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 16, 2023 7:59 am

Cassie,
Have noticed you make a lot of posts about you know who not being here. If he was you would be complaining.
Just be grateful he is staying away as he has nothing positive to contribute.

rosie
rosie
October 16, 2023 8:00 am

Mostly military aged males born and bred in their country, unfortunately.

rosie
rosie
October 16, 2023 8:00 am

Oh he’s here, he’s just not posting.

rosie
rosie
October 16, 2023 8:05 am

Have Hamas gotten around to making themselves Fremen suits.
No doubt they have a stash of water for themselves.
Probably Perrier.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 16, 2023 8:07 am

For Saffie Cats.

South Africa’s President Cyril Ramaphosa Backs Hamas (15 Oct)

Ramaphosa did not condemn Hamas terror, and said that the South African government stood in solidarity with the “people of Palestine.”

The ANC has a lot in common with the Palestinians. Both never miss an opportunity to dig deeper the holes they’re in.

Zatara
Zatara
October 16, 2023 8:12 am

Cancel Culture Finally Comes for the Left, and I Can’t Stop Laughing

This is what the left wanted. They wanted a world where people get publicly and professionally punished for the things they say. Further, they wanted the standard to be so low that people could get fired for simply speaking basic truths, such as that men can’t become women. But now, the very same left wants to pull back that standard to include supporting terrorists who shoot up music festivals.

Yeah, no. That’s not how this works. The left wanted these new rules, and they will be made to live by them. These are the same people who shouted down conservatives on college campuses for daring to believe in basic biology. Getting fired for supporting Hamas isn’t technically cancel culture, but even if it were, I’d still be all for it.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 16, 2023 8:14 am

rosie
Oct 16, 2023 8:00 AM
Oh he’s here, he’s just not posting.

He can lurk all he likes. It is (just) faintly possible that he might learn something.

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 8:15 am

The ANC has a lot in common with the Palestinians. Both never miss an opportunity to dig deeper the holes they’re in.

As long as they don’t mess with a hole in the ground called Tshipi.

rosie
rosie
October 16, 2023 8:17 am

Want to develop land within 200 metres of a waterway, any waterway?
Be ready to shell out $200,000 minimum to local aboriginal Corp to dig a few artefact holes.

land use activity agreement Victoria

Cassie of Sydney
October 16, 2023 8:24 am

Oh he’s here, he’s just not posting.”

Indeed. He’s a coward, a moral coward.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 16, 2023 8:26 am

Eight reasons why the Yes case failed

GREG CRAVEN

This is not an account of why the No case won the referendum. That will be written, triumphantly, by others. This is the story of why the Yes case was lost. It needs to be told now, while the disaster is fresh, if supporters of Indigenous recognition are to profit from our mistakes. Otherwise, excuses and distortions will cover the truth.

It is quite straightforward to trace the causes for the implosion of the Yes case. Tragically, all were or should have been known to its leaders. But they were denied, derided or discounted.

There were eight fundamental reasons for failure. The first was endemic overconfidence. The leaders for Yes – including Anthony Albanese – were simply convinced victory was inevitable. They would hear no contradiction. They were told repeatedly that history showed referendums were hard, and those on controversial topics – such as Indigenous recognition – were especially difficult. They reacted with contempt. This referendum was special. It would win at a canter. Indeed, it was said, the answer was so obvious there wouldn’t even be a No case.

The second problem was an absolute dismissal of bipartisanship, especially by the Prime Minister, but also by other Yes protagonists. At one level, bipartisanship simply was unnecessary when there was only one answer.

But it went further. It was clear that, especially in the case of Albanese, a partisan referendum was the desired scenario. This would give him an unprecedented victory, placing him in the progressive pantheon. His conservative enemies, especially Peter Dutton, would be crushed.

It simply is not true to say Dutton was solely responsible for a partisan referendum.

He was never consulted, as opposed to being told what was happening. The PM’s offers to consider changes to words or content were not real. Dutton was meant to oppose. Eventually, as a matter of politics, he did. But before that, there was an opportunity to at least persuade him towards only modest contradiction, with conscience votes and moderate arguments. This possibility was spurned.

The third reality was that the advice being received by the PM was appalling. The vast majority of Indigenous leaders around him confirmed his view that this was a cakewalk. He could not lose.

Further, it was made clear to him that unless they got exactly what they wanted in a referendum package, they would walk. He would be left holding the squalling baby of the voice.

The government had structured its process for formulating the voice proposal in a way that reinforced exactly this tendency. By creating an Indigenous Working Group to vet the details of the amendment, a veto was created. As this group was dominated by Indigenous people at the activist end of the spectrum, this veto was enthusiastically applied.

Many of these activists were young, inexperienced, radical and employed in organisations that only reinforced their own views. If current Indigenous leaders do step aside for this doctrinaire younger generation – as suggested by Noel Pearson – both recognition and reconciliation will collapse as popular causes.

The non-Indigenous advisers were just as problematic. They were equally convinced the poll was a foregone conclusion and ridiculed anyone who dared disagree with the process or drafting as troglodyte conservative stooges. Any voice of dissent was constitutionally cancelled.

Both groups were deluded. They said, for example, the No machine was so old and hopeless it simply wouldn’t be able to mount a social media campaign. They dismissed media critics by saying no one read them, listened to or watched them.

There were honourable exceptions to all this self-congratulation. Pearson, Sean Gordon of Uphold and Recognise, Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus and Albanese’s chief of staff, Tim Gartrell, were hopeful but always realistic.

The fourth disaster was the failure to disclose the architecture for the voice. This was a direct result of the campaign’s massive overconfidence. Given the Yes case was so obvious, people would vote for it without detail. Even as it became abundantly clear this was not happening, the mantra droned on.

The fifth failure was the drafting. The amendment was formulated in secret. There was no input from constitutional conservatives, whose support for the draft during the referendum would be crucial. There was an absolute refusal to consider meaningful amendments. The inevitable result was an exhausting debate around drafting.

The sixth disaster was a truly appalling Yes campaign. This was mind-boggling, as the Yes case had at least $20m to spend. They promised a media blitz, a stunning social media campaign and thousands of appealing on-the-ground campaigners.

It was like one of those predicted Russian tank columns that never arrived at Kyiv. The media advertising was more talked about than actually aired. When it was aired, it was calculated to appeal to those already voting yes.

As the campaign wore on, it was obvious the No camp was dominating social media. As for the foot campaign, the polls still steadily worsened, polling booths were well manned by No supporters, and the Yes effort was most obvious in places such as Newtown that were already voting for the voice.

But the entire strategy was flawed. First, it was run like an election campaign, so there would be a Mediscare-type blitz in the last month. But by then, most people had already made up their mind. Bad as it was, the campaign was made even worse by unqualified Yes bosses meddling in the work of campaign professionals. Second, it never recognised the referendum would be won or lost in western Sydney and regional Queensland. The campaign reverberated in Mosman and Camberwell, but in places dominated by “ordinary” Australians with mortgages and without doctorates, it flopped. As predicted by outlawed Yes dissenters, negative voting patterns exactly followed the republic referendum.

The seventh enemy of Yes was condescension. Whatever the Yes campaign said, it seemed to believe any ordinary Australian who was not convinced was a cretin. The electorate hated it.

The Yes side complained constantly of “misinformation”. There were untruths on each side, but the proponents of the referendum eventually were condemning every argument against the voice not merely as wrong but as deliberate duplicity. This again suggested to the electorate that they were too stupid to sift fact from fiction.

The eighth and final failure was the ineffectiveness of the political artillery on the Yes side. The Prime Minister was pinned down by his own platitudes, unable to advance beyond a “modest measure” and a “gracious request”. For whatever reason, Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney was never more than a faltering presence. Against the thundering of Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, there was no contest.

All of this is a sad retrospective. The real question now for supporters of recognition is where to from here? Any possibility of actual formal constitutional amendment is now in the remotest, unpredictable future. Realistically, there needs to be deep thought as to what real, meaningful recognition would look like in the absence of changing the Constitution. This will require imaginative co-operation between supporters – not mutual heckling.

But the post-mortem needs to begin now. If delayed, reality will be obfuscated by excuses, slick explanations and deflections. This process has already begun. The call by the Yes campaign for a week’s silence is disingenuous. It is an attempt to isolate future discussion from the reality of self-inflicted defeat.

The implausible lines of defence are being drawn. It was all Dutton’s fault. Australians were tricked by misinformation and lies. Anyway, it was an uplifting experience that brought Indigenous Australian to the fore. In reality, we of the Yes lost a referendum that has broken Indigenous hearts. We can at least do them the courtesy of admitting it.

Greg Craven is a constitutional lawyer and former vice-chancellor of the Australian Catholic University.

Oz

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 16, 2023 8:27 am

On a slightly related topic. Maybe Cassie knows. I understand the main source for the original Hebrew old testament is Kitttel’s Biblia Hebraica. How similar are the texts in the dead sea scrolls to Biblia Hebraica I wonder? How similar are the Jewish scriptures to Biblia Hebraica?

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 8:32 am

Now let’s see the postal voters’ ballots…

Drab recycled paper. Luscious pen strokes that contrast a very dark navy blue taken for black by the unwitting consumer against what in the morning light is a crisp pale buff…and that deliberately written letter N, each stroke crafted with purpose and geometric accuracy. Now for that big O – perfectly rounded like a model’s rear end.

*Are you okay Dot*

(Clears throat) “Yes, I’m fine.” In reality, I’m so damned angry I didn’t spend longer at the voting booth making the YES campaign suffer a little more.

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 8:32 am

CUE THE VINCE MC MAHON FALLING BACKWARDS IN THE CHAIR FROM ECSTACY MEME

MTL: Heritage Clearance Received for Gold Priority Drill Targets

Johnny Rotten
October 16, 2023 8:33 am

I’m guessing that because of Advance’s success in this campaign……………

Sounds alright to me.

Isn’t the National Anthem called “Advance Australia Fair”?

calli
calli
October 16, 2023 8:35 am

Many…many words from Greg Craven.

I can encapsulate the failure of the campaign in a simple sentence.

You had a dodgy product, you used stupid tactics to sell it, and the prospective marks did not want to buy it.

Do not blame the mark. Blame yourself.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 16, 2023 8:40 am

Dot @ 7.32, quite right. As I’ve said before, the only successful thing the Palis can do is failure. A lot like the Labor party here.

calli
calli
October 16, 2023 8:43 am

The “No” campaign was almost non-existent. Deliberately so.

And the people noticed. Starved of money, ridiculed, bullied, suppressed.

Yet the arrogance of the defeated “Yes” architects remains undiminished. Keep going…you’ll lose again.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 16, 2023 8:45 am

‘Land of make-believe’: ACT the only state or territory to vote Yes for the Voice

Sky News host Cory Bernardi says the only state or territory in Australia which voted Yes for an Indigenous Voice to Parliament was the ACT.

Mr Bernardi said this just shows “how removed from reality is the land of make-believe”.

“The ACT is among the highest median incomes and the highest household wealth in the entire country,” he said.

“And a reminder most of them there are on the public purse.

“Ensconced in the cocoon of public service.”

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 16, 2023 8:46 am

Albo failed to get his permanent Left wing control vehicle up, so it’s time for Plan B.

After “The Voice”: Aussie PM Vows to Refocus on Renewable Energy (15 Oct)

Judith Sloan
14 October 2023 9:00 AM

The Prime Minister has flagged that, post the Voice referendum, his government will turn its full attention to the decarbonisation of the economy and the prospect of Australia becoming an renewable energy superpower.

Why oh why won’t the proles welcome enlightened totalitarian control by green-progressive elites? It’s for your own good that we must repress you!

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 16, 2023 8:46 am

Correct Calli and the conduct of big business has been despicable.

duncanm
duncanm
October 16, 2023 8:51 am

A quite emotional Mundine goes off at reporters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_av7coHxye4

Good on him.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 16, 2023 8:51 am

Qantas is dead to.me.

Indolent
Indolent
October 16, 2023 8:52 am
calli
calli
October 16, 2023 8:55 am

Milt, the arrogance and presumption of big corporates has been breathtaking.

Fortunately, the voters have rejected them too. Behaving like disapproving, self-righteous 19th century nabobs, they tried to force their “religion” on their employees only to be rebuffed. Even now, their morning “prayers” include acknowledgement of “country” and other quasi-superstitious nonsense, foisted on the worker. They believe they own them, mind, body and soul.

Then they tried it on the customer, and got pushback. Unfortunately we have such a raft of monopolies and duopolies it’s hard to find alternatives. The only thing we can do is complain long and loudly.

Do your job, sell your product and leave us alone.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 16, 2023 8:55 am

Who are the Cat’s Punxsutawney Phils, the seer of seers, prognosticator of prognosticators? Who predicted the Referendum count accurately?

The prize of the arseless chaps is to be held by the winners in the order below, for one night only!

It looks like the count is done – there are a few booths which haven’t been finalised yet, but I can’t see it changing much. Therefore the final overall count is 61% No, and 39% Yes. Cats who predicted that were:

Salvatore, Iron Publican, and Bourne1879.

Those who predicted the States would all vote No were:

Bar Beach Swimmer
DrBeauGan
Barking Toad
Thefrollickingmole
GreyRanga
Ceres
Mizaris
P
Nelson Kidd-Players
Salvatore, Iron Publican
Rugbyskier
Sancho Panzer
Beertruk

Thank you all for playing, and please remember to wash the arseless chaps before passing them onto the next winner.

calli
calli
October 16, 2023 8:58 am

Awwww….HR Karen doesn’t like my take on corporate mind-bondage.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 16, 2023 8:59 am

Love the Picture of AlboSleezy Playing the Fiddle

Renewable Energy Obsessed Aussie Government Urges Gas Companies Charge “Appropriate Prices”

As Australia’s climate and energy minister savages the idea of gas exploration, Australia’s Prime Minister is urging gas companies to keep prices under control.

PM calls on gas giants to set ‘appropriate’ prices

Jacob Greber and Elouise Fowler
Oct 14, 2022 – 4.40pm

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has fallen short of backing explicit demands from manufacturers, unions and his cabinet members for lower gas prices, saying exporters should sell supplies to businesses and households at an “appropriate” level.

Mr Albanese said his government was “very pleased” with the response from the gas companies to pump an extra 150 petajoules of gas next year, three times the shortfall forecast by the competition watchdog in August.

[Opposition Leader Peter Dutton] “Then we get the AWU that comes out and says that it’s a dud policy. Then we’ve got [Climate Change and Energy Minister] Chris Bowen … calling any suggestion that we should discover more gas in our country ‘BS’.

Read more: https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/pm-calls-on-gas-giants-to-set-appropriate-prices-20221014-p5bpv4

WUWT has previously commented on Aussie Climate Change and Energy Minister Blackout Chris Bowen’s scientifically challenged understanding of the energy industry.

Squizz
@SquizzSTK

Chris Bowen isn’t having any of Uhlmann’s ‘wind doesn’t always blow’ rhetoric.

“the rain doesn’t always fall either, but we manage to store the water – we can store the renewable energy if we have the investment” – But with the Greens, We Labor ban the building of Dams

With the world experiencing a severe shortage of energy, a minority government beholden to green party support, and greedy Australian state governments savaging the fossil fuel industry with 40% royalties, on top of regular taxes, fossil fuel companies currently have zero incentive to invest in the Australian energy industry.

Australian voters need to demand our politicians get their act together, and implement policies which attract fossil fuel investment, instead of spouting lunatic green rhetoric and nakedly looting any fossil fuel player who makes a profit, otherwise Australia will end up with European style energy shortages.

calli
calli
October 16, 2023 9:01 am

Well done Cat winners!

My record of backing the wrong horse is so strong I remained silent. I did not want to win the Codpiece of Shame.

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 16, 2023 9:02 am

Fortunately my employer stayed away from the referendum as far as I could see but they still ram all the other PC poison down our throats via IT.

Zatara
Zatara
October 16, 2023 9:03 am

Iran backs down. Throws Hamas under the bus.

Iran warns Israel: Don’t attack us, we won’t engage you

“Iran’s armed forces will not engage, provided that the Israeli apartheid does not dare to attack Iran, its interests, and nationals. The resistance front can defend itself,”

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 16, 2023 9:04 am

Anyway, it was an uplifting experience that brought Indigenous Australian to the fore.
Craven is off with the fairies here.
The Yes campaign only emphasied the Made Men of the laptop class. The genetic aborigines of Yes- Langton, Grant, Thorpe, Dodson, Martin, AB Briggs will retreat to their halls, towers and echo chambers.
The newly minted Class of ’23 are shedloads more cultural aboriginies- Nampijintpa Price, Mundine, Abbott, the underrated Anthony Dillon. They can hold their heads high, and they’ll be back to work today.
That’d be a good doorstop comment-
“Week of mourning? Yeah nah, there’s only one way forward- back to work.”

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
October 16, 2023 9:05 am

Professor Langton responded to Mundine’s remarks, saying: “This is a very Trumpian play, this is the Steve Bannon playbook, create racial division by lying and then accuse me of being a provocateur.”

I am without speech.

She is a deadset, fair dinkum, rolled snot communist. What did you expect?

Indolent
Indolent
October 16, 2023 9:05 am

Excellent interview with Dr. Cole down the page. Much of it we have already heard but good summary.

CV19 Vax Causes ‘Turbo Cancer’ – Dr. Ryan Cole

lotocoti
lotocoti
October 16, 2023 9:05 am

Imagine being this dumb.

From a WSJ piece, unfortunately resistant to the twelve foot ladder.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
October 16, 2023 9:05 am

Gold just didn’t seem apt.

Tom
Tom
October 16, 2023 9:09 am

My record of backing the wrong horse is so strong I remained silent.

Me, too, Calli.

I was predicting a 70:30% rejection of the referendum so I kept it to myself.

Johnny Rotten
October 16, 2023 9:09 am

The ACT – “Ensconced in the cocoon of public service.”

The trouble with the Australian Public Circus, is the only service that they know to give to the Australian Public is a Very, Very Big Serve.

And now, the majority of the Australian Voting Public (60%) has said NO to the Arrogant Tennis Elbow and the ‘Laybore’/Green/Teal Mob and Arrogant Big Business.

Next up, is to fix this Energy Transition Farking BS.

Makka
Makka
October 16, 2023 9:10 am

Iran warns Israel: Don’t attack us, we won’t engage you

I hope this means improving news for the hostages. Anyone have news on that?

Indolent
Indolent
October 16, 2023 9:12 am
H B Bear
H B Bear
October 16, 2023 9:12 am

Greg Craven, heal thyself.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 16, 2023 9:14 am

Congratulations to Sal on his fine win in getting the %age and all states for No.

He is the clear winner.

I thought TAS would be the sole Yes but seems VIC came closest.

Now time to sign up to Advance who seem like my kind of organisation.

calli
calli
October 16, 2023 9:15 am

And another thing…I was heartened by the disproving of suspected AEC “fixing”. As many commenters here confirmed, our system is far more robust than that in the US.

Don’t take it for granted, but take heart that it’s hard to fiddle.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 16, 2023 9:18 am

My record of backing the wrong horse is so strong I remained silent.

I have never thought the Voice could get up. A big question mark must be placed against political advertising IMO, although the dynamics of a referendum is quite different to an election. Roughly 40:60 is pretty emphatic.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 16, 2023 9:18 am

From Top Ender’s link at 8:26.

But it went further. It was clear that, especially in the case of Albanese, a partisan referendum was the desired scenario. This would give him an unprecedented victory, placing him in the progressive pantheon. His conservative enemies, especially Peter Dutton, would be crushed.

Quite so.
It’s what Torrie fighters do.

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 9:19 am

Jesus Christ why can’t people just be normal – fake alpha male boot camp LARP

$2k to have another man yell at you and your kid for two days.

Sheer idiocy.

Just join scouts, go camping, do DIY projects, play sport, spend time together and learn a martial art.

(My Dad regretted working too much but yet he took me fishing even though he hated it – I’m the mad one in the family who owns a reel for every kind of fish. He hated golf but would pick me up from tournaments if it was too far to walk.

He wouldn’t let me get a Commodore especially a VL because he reckoned they were magnets for cops. :rofl: “and don’t wear a baseball cap backwards when driving a VL Commodore with an arm out the window!” I was scornful about this when I was seventeen but now I think it’s not only true but the funniest shit ever!)

https://youtu.be/WlWgN8ha0ac?feature=shared

Crossie
Crossie
October 16, 2023 9:20 am

The Prime Minister has flagged that, post the Voice referendum, his government will turn its full attention to the decarbonisation of the economy and the prospect of Australia becoming an renewable energy superpower.

He is so smart that he ricochets from disaster to disaster. Just as the rest of the world is starting to back away from renewables and the decarbonisation idiocy the genius in the Lodge is ploughing on. He hasn’t damaged Australia enough, he needs to redouble his efforts.

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 9:22 am

Therefore the final overall count is 61% No, and 39% Yes. Cats who predicted that were:

It is going to change very dramatically when all pre poll voting is counted.

The Voice has been destroyed. It could be as bad as sub 30% for YES nationally.

calli
calli
October 16, 2023 9:22 am

Albo failed to get his permanent Left wing control vehicle up, so it’s time for Plan B.

And true to his Trot training, Albo pops up to back the Next Big Thing…Net Zero.

He’s like the wretched Terminator.

Paging John Connor…

Johnny Rotten
October 16, 2023 9:22 am

It’s what Torrie fighters do.

Mrs Stencho Pantyhose has done it again – Just like that Arrogant Tennis Elbow –

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrie_Wilson

Maybe a Tory fighter? LOL

Crossie
Crossie
October 16, 2023 9:25 am

calli
Oct 16, 2023 9:01 AM
Well done Cat winners!

My record of backing the wrong horse is so strong I remained silent. I did not want to win the Codpiece of Shame.

I’m a jinx in these guessing games so I thought it best to stay out of it and it looks like it was a good decision, no jinx was deployed.

Makka
Makka
October 16, 2023 9:28 am

The Economist;

Exit polls suggest that the opposition has won a big victory in Poland
But the full results will take up to a day to arrive

Crossie
Crossie
October 16, 2023 9:29 am

Sancho Panzer
Oct 16, 2023 9:18 AM
From Top Ender’s link at 8:26.

But it went further. It was clear that, especially in the case of Albanese, a partisan referendum was the desired scenario. This would give him an unprecedented victory, placing him in the progressive pantheon. His conservative enemies, especially Peter Dutton, would be crushed.

Quite so.
It’s what Torrie fighters do.

This was going to be his moment of greatness, his place in history books forever more. I remember in an interview his answer to why he was doing it – because it’s nation-building. He fancied himself father of the nation.

Crossie
Crossie
October 16, 2023 9:31 am

Makka
Oct 16, 2023 9:28 AM
The Economist;

Exit polls suggest that the opposition has won a big victory in Poland

So what happens there now? They will accept Muslim refugees?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 16, 2023 9:32 am

I always thought ” if you oppose my race based grab for munni/power you are racist” was always going to be a tough sell.

Particularly when most of those being the “face” of yes have been explicitly calling for the demolition of Australia for decades.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 16, 2023 9:32 am

Please people it is Torys. Ignore autocorrect or just switch it off. Ask a young person how.

Makka
Makka
October 16, 2023 9:35 am

Crossie,
Polish opposition, like Hungary, oppose the EU’s immigration policy.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 16, 2023 9:36 am

Albo has just scored the greatest own goal in Australian political history. The leaks that dribble out till he gets the tap on the shoulder should be epic. Time to find a place on a lifeboat if you’re on Team Albo.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 16, 2023 9:39 am

Pro-Palestinian supporters crying victory in wake of attack on Israel shows our prized multiculturalism is being ripped apart

Different cultures across our country should add to the Australian way of life, not undermine it, writes Will Kingston.

Late last month, the UK Home Secretary Suella Braverman told an American think tank that multiculturalism in her country had failed.

The “dogma of multiculturalism”, according to Mrs Braverman, had allowed people to come to the UK with the aim of “undermining the security and threatening the stability of society.”

The comments were both unremarkable and remarkable.

They were unremarkable because the same sentiment has been expressed by several centrist European leaders in modern times.

In 2010, Angela Merkel admitted that Germany’s attempt to build a multicultural society had “utterly failed.”

The next year, David Cameron said “state multiculturalism had failed” and left young Muslims vulnerable to radicalisation.

In 2021, Emmanuel Macron told the foreign press, “we have a real crisis with the integration model in France.”

The comments were remarkable because the backlash against Mrs Braverman was more intense than what the aforementioned leaders experienced.

The cries of racism were as predictable as they were ludicrous.

Mrs Braverman was born in the UK to parents of Indian origin.

The progressive left reserves a special brand of vitriol for right-leaning women from ethnic minority backgrounds who don’t toe the line. Just ask Jacinta Price.

I sat down to write a piece after Mrs Braverman’s speech considering the state of multiculturalism in Australia.

I hesitated.

As she herself discovered, it’s easy to be incorrectly slurred as a racist for questioning the sacred cow of multiculturalism.

These slurs come almost exclusively from people who don’t understand what the term “multiculturalism” means.

Then I heard cries of “gas the Jews” reverberate across Sydney Harbour.

Multiculturalism is treated even more dogmatically in Australia than it is in the UK.

The phrase, “Australia is the most successful multicultural society on Earth”, has been parroted by politicians since the 1980s.

Until recently, those politicians were probably right because, as former race discrimination commissioner Dr Tim Soutphommasane said in a speech in 2016,

“Australia’s multiculturalism was based on the compact of citizenship.”

Mr Soutphommasane continued, “Cultural differences are to be embraced, but only when they are consistent with living in an Australian democracy.”

The deal is done with every new Australian when they pledge their citizenship

“I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people, whose democratic beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect, and whose laws I will uphold and obey.”

As we watched flares flying across the sails of the Opera House and victory proclamations accompanied by chants of ‘Allahu Akbar’ in Lakemba, we were watching cracks widen in the bedrock of Australian multiculturalism: the compact of citizenship.

Those cracks emerged for three reasons.

First, the compact of citizenship only works if people hold cultural views that are consistent with Australian democratic principles.

In the 1970s and 80s, many Australians took this to mean “Aussie values plus Chinese restaurants.”

It was always a superficial view of multiculturalism, but it spoke to a deeper truth: different cultures should add to the Australian way of life, not undermine it.

The fringe elements of Islamic culture on display over the last week are inconsistent with the Australian national identity.

These do not represent most Islamic people, but they are far more prominent in Australia today than 20 years ago.

Second, nationality has taken a backseat to identity.

This isn’t just an Australian phenomenon.

Across the western world, people are becoming less patriotic and more closely aligned to an intersectional hodgepodge of identity groups.

Every time someone says the Australian flag symbolises white nationalism or that Australia Day is a day of shame, they are offering contractual advice to sinister parties.

The compact of citizenship can be torn up without penalty, on the grounds that Australia isn’t holding up its end of the bargain.

Third, the gradual erosion of free speech in this country has put anyone who dares to question the dogma of multiculturalism in danger.

Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act is less a shield against discrimination and more a sword that is too often swung at uncomfortable truths.

Shamefully, it almost certainly won’t be swung at anyone who spewed anti-Semitic bile this week.

Even if the law doesn’t come after you, a pervasive cancel culture will.

Has multiculturalism in Australia failed?

In the (probably apocryphal) words of Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, when asked about the impact of the French Revolution, it’s too early to say.

But our social fabric is fraying at the seams like never before.

The social compact that has underpinned multiculturalism for decades is cracking under the burden of unreasonable demands and without the pillars of mutual obligations.

If we don’t have the guts to have an honest conversation about multiculturalism after what we have witnessed in the last week, I fear we never will.

Makka
Makka
October 16, 2023 9:40 am

Albo failed to get his permanent Left wing control vehicle up, so it’s time for Plan B.

Like a damaged and scared arts student, Albo is retreating to his safe space – Ruinables.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 16, 2023 9:42 am

Just read the Janet A column in the Oz.
The John Roskam file photo (with a full head of hair) distracted me from its content.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 16, 2023 9:42 am

Nothing sums up the arrogence and idiocy of the Left as does Palachook:

Premier to forge ahead with treaty as state votes No

Annastacia Palaszczuk will forge carefully ahead on a path to treaty with Indigenous Queenslanders amid claims the government made a calculated decision to distance itself from the sinking Yes campaign in Saturday’s referendum.

Almost 70 per cent of Queenslanders voted No in the nation’s 45th referendum to enshrine an Indigenous Voice in the constitution – significantly higher than the 60 per cent No vote nationally.

Working class and regional electorates held by Queensland Labor MPs such as Ipswich, Logan, Townsville and Cairns were overrun with No ballots while several progressive inner-city seats in the Greens’ sights voted overwhelmingly Yes – creating headaches for the state government and opposition ahead of next year’s election.

Courier-Mail

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 16, 2023 9:47 am

Who wins Top Ender’s Luigi Lotto?
I was looking good Saturday night (59:41 and a 6-0 clean sweep of the states) but those accursed Postals look like snatching victory from my grasp.

Makka
Makka
October 16, 2023 9:47 am

we were watching cracks widen in the bedrock of Australian multiculturalism: the compact of citizenship.

Those cracks emerged for three reasons.

1) We allowed in the wrong people.
2) Islam is a violent cult which will never settle peacefully in a western nation.
3) “Multiculturalism” was never EVER put to a vote of Australian citizens.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 16, 2023 9:49 am

Harry and Meghan preach mental health but ‘don’t seem well either’

Sky News contributor Esther Krakue says she finds it “ironic” that Prince Harry and Meghan Markle talk about mental health when they don’t seem like “mentally well people either”.

Her remarks come after the Sussex couple’s recent appearance at the Archewell Foundation’s World Mental Health Day event in New York.

“I don’t actually see a healed person when I listen to or watch Prince Harry,” Ms Krakue told Sky News host Caroline Di Russo.

“He’s always talking about the same things – you know the impact of the death of his mother which is fair enough.

“But I don’t think anyone would look at Prince Harry and say, ‘actually I want to emulate him, and I want him to become my role model in what a picturesque mental health situation looks like’.”

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 16, 2023 9:49 am

Abbas appears to be distancing his mob from Hamas.
Considering what Zatara linked to about Iran, it would appear that Blinkden has had a busy weekend.
Removing Hamas from the board would suit a lot of anti-Israeli groups.

The question is, has Blinkden brokered a deal to let Israel have a genuine crack at Hamas and ensure the other players stay on the side line?

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 16, 2023 9:52 am

The AEC vote count says it’s complete in all but around three seats across the country.

I’m presuming that’s postals as well.

Correct?

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
October 16, 2023 9:53 am

The word from Gary Johns is that the postal votes will increase the No vote, so the Luigi Lotto is not over yet.

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 9:54 am

I’m presuming that’s postals as well.

No. They just have a whacky way of closing the books for the day.

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 16, 2023 9:55 am

Everyone knows how to spell Tory. “Torrie” is the Albo affectation. ‘I fight “torries”, that’s what I do.’

Do try to keep up. Next you’ll be horrified that everyone here thinks Roger Moore is still alive.

He is actually, he tweeted 61 no and 39 yes for the voice.

Makka
Makka
October 16, 2023 9:56 am

The question is, has Blinkden brokered a deal to let Israel have a genuine crack at Hamas and ensure the other players stay on the side line?

Like a cancer, Hamas will be difficult to entirely eradicate from Gaza. In order to limit any effective re-growth of Hamas there, Israel will have to occupy the place. I can’t see any other acceptable solution, after the abominations last week..

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 9:57 am

Shocking.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 16, 2023 9:57 am

Desperate to Flee Africa, Migrants Accidentally Stow Away on Ships to Brazil

African arrivals tricked to believe they were headed for U.S. or Europe

SÃO PAULO—As Ghanaian stowaway John Ekow clung to the rudder of a container ship in the middle of the Atlantic, drinking his own urine to survive, there was one thing that kept him going: the prospect of making landfall in the U.S.

“Ever since I was a boy, I knew everything would be OK if I could just get to America,” said Ekow, who boarded the vessel in July in the Ivory Coast after struggling to feed his two young sons.

There was just one problem: the ship was bound for Brazil.

More people than ever are being uprooted worldwide, the United Nations says, with war refugees fleeing Ukraine and Syria, more than 7.7 million Venezuelans escaping economic calamity, and large numbers of Africans crossing the Mediterranean in rickety boats.

In Brazil, officials have been bedeviled by a new phenomenon: a small but growing number of African migrants who completed a perilous 2,000-mile journey from West Africa after sneaking onto cargo ships they believed were actually headed for Europe or the U.S.

Some African arrivals say criminal gangs and fishermen in West Africa tricked them into boarding the wrong ships, charging a small fee to hoist them aboard, including onto narrow platforms behind the ship’s rudder, according to researchers and authorities studying clandestine immigration.

“It’s a surprisingly common story,” said Paolo Parise, an Italian priest who runs the Peace Mission refugee shelter in São Paulo where Ekow has been staying. Two Nigerian stowaways also arrived at the shelter in July after boarding the rudder of a ship they believed to be bound for Europe, he said, adding that he has taken in some 20 “accidental migrants” from Africa in the past few years.

A total of 234 migrants arrived in Brazil as stowaways between 2006 and 2017, almost exclusively from Africa, hidden in ships that docked in at least 15 different states along Brazil’s almost 5,000-mile coastline, according to the latest available data from the country’s navy. Authorities suspect others abandoned the ships before they were caught, landing in Brazil unbeknownst to the police and are either staying in the country or moving on to neighboring ones.

The growing number of stowaways comes amid a general surge of African immigration to Brazil, mainly on flights. Brazil places few restrictions on entry and is an appealing choice for African migrants who speak Portuguese. Some 42,634 Africans arrived in the first half of the year, on pace for 85,000 by the end of the year. Nearly 64,500 entered last year, more than double the 30,110 who came in 2021. Many, such as Ekow, file for refugee status in Brazil soon after they arrive, a relatively simple process that also gives newcomers the immediate right to work.

Those who arrived by accident, such as Ekow, often face the biggest challenges.

Unable to speak Portuguese and knowing no one, they have little reason to stay but even less reason to return to a poverty-stricken homeland, they say.

Side Note

As a Brazilian Mate said – “Portuguese – the most usless language when travelling the World”

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 16, 2023 9:57 am

Anyway, it was an uplifting experience that brought Indigenous Australian to the fore.
Craven is off with the fairies here.

I disagree.
Craven is not himself calling the Referendum an “uplifting experience”; quite the reverse. I suspect this is made clearer with a formatting adjustment to the slightly heavy paragraph structure:

The implausible lines of defence are being drawn.

• It was all Dutton’s fault.
• Australians were tricked by misinformation and lies.
• Anyway, it was an uplifting experience that brought Indigenous Australian to the fore.

I can be howled down, but for me, Craven’s ‘eight points’ accurately and clearly skewer Albanese and Team Yes for the cynical opportunists they are. Hubris and entry-level political cunning brought Albanese down and ripped the Band-Aid off.

It also dragged down the corporates and media elite who, being far smarter than the Australian voteherd, saw the Voice as a sure thing.

The sooner this message of dishonesty, failure and incompetence is forced into public analysis the better.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 16, 2023 9:59 am

Greg Craven’s $20 million estimate for Yes campaign spending is undercooked by about two thirds.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 16, 2023 10:00 am

Israel will have to occupy the place.

Or maybe turn a patch of Northern Gaza into a no mans land.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 16, 2023 10:01 am

Sorry, I see Top Ender has published the Luigi Lotto winners already.
I am annoyed.
I will take a week off to mourn.

local oaf
October 16, 2023 10:04 am

Albo failed to get his permanent Left wing control vehicle up, so it’s time for Plan B.

He’s still got the MSM, Public Service, Education, Universities, Unions and best of all –
the Liberal Party power brokers.

That lot will function as a permanent brake on any future “conservative” government.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 16, 2023 10:04 am

For those who doubt the uselessness of the APS cosider this. An SES1 who was removed from his position for being useless has been given a newly created job at a higher level within the same organisation. Not only will he still be useless he is getting paid more to stuff up an already incompetent agency. Go figure. Obviously mates af the boss.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 16, 2023 10:04 am

Automakers Have Big Hopes for EVs; Buyers Aren’t Cooperating

Sales growth has slowed in the U.S. as car companies are finding a limited pool of consumers willing to pay more for these models

The auto industry’s push to boost sales of electric vehicles is running into a cold, hard reality: Buyers’ interest in these models is proving shallower than expected.

While EV sales continue to grow—rising 51% this year through September—the rate has slowed from a year earlier and unsold inventory is starting to pile up for some brands.

Some car companies, such as Ford Motor and Toyota Motor, are tempering their expectations for EVs and shifting more resources into hybrids, which have been drawing consumers at a faster clip.

The first wave of buyers willing to pay a premium for a battery-powered car has already made the purchase, dealers and executives say, and automakers are now dealing with a more hesitant group, just as a barrage of new EV models are expected to hit dealerships in the coming years.

“The curve isn’t accelerating as quickly as I think a lot of people expected,” said John Lawler, Ford Motor’s chief financial officer at a conference in September, on the EV adoption rate. “We’re seeing it flatten a bit.”

The abrupt slowdown in EV sales is a contrast to a year ago, when carmakers found themselves caught off guard by long waiting lists for battery-powered cars and trucks. It is also a troublesome sign for the car manufacturers plowing billions of dollars into building factories and battery plants to support what they hope will be a strong pickup in demand for plug-in models.

The Biden administration has made EVs a centerpiece of its industrial policy, and the United Auto Workers union is on strike at the Detroit car companies, in part because it is worried about future job security as engine and transmission plants disappear.

Still, many consumers are reluctant to make the switch, deterred by high sticker prices and the inconvenience of driving a vehicle that has a limited range and needs regular recharging.

“I just wasn’t ready to get an electric yet, because of range anxiety,” said Robert DuWors, who was recently in the market and had considered a battery-powered car. He instead bought a plug-in hybrid, noting that it gets 40 to 50 miles on a single battery charge, more than he drives in an average day.

“When I use that up, then it is a hybrid,” said the 64-year-old resident of Rancho Mirage, Calif.

The share of the retail market held by EVs has leveled out at around 9% for the past several months, according to data analytics firm J.D. Power, raising broader questions about whether the industry is confronting a short-term blip or a more protracted challenge.

Meanwhile buyers are gravitating to hybrids and plug-in hybrids, which combine a gasoline engine with battery power to save on fuel.

Hybrid sales in the year’s first three quarters jumped 48% over the prior-year period, according to Motor Intelligence, a reversal from last year, when hybrid sales fell roughly 6% compared with 2021.

“It’s a smoking-hot market,” said David Christ, head of sales for Toyota Motor’s North American business. Toyota has been slower to move to EVs than its rivals, preferring to promote hybrids, which are now in shorter supply.

Toyota, in September, had a little more than a week’s worth of Prius hybrids in stock, meaning many customers face long waits for one. By comparison, the Japanese automaker had a more-than-two-months’ supply of its newest electric SUV, the bZ4X, an indication those vehicles are starting to stack up at dealerships.

“We are trying to make as many hybrids and plug-in hybrids as possible,” Christ said.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 16, 2023 10:04 am

Make no mistake, the No result was an act of insurrection

Australians outside the Tesla zone have told the elite they’ve had enough of the national guilt trip. They’re sick of the self-flagellating speeches, apologies, welcome and all the other performances.

By NICK CATER

If there were ever any doubts Australia had made the right decision on Saturday, they were quickly put to rest by a group of Indigenous leaders who released a statement later that evening.

The statement blamed “newcomers” who had refused to acknowledge “that the brutal dispossession of our people underwrote their every advantage in this country”.

“That people who have only been on this continent for 235 years would refuse to recognise those whose home this land has been for 60,000 and more years is beyond reason.”

The oldest person in Australia is Catherina van der Linden, who celebrated her 111th birthday in August. She arrived as a hardworking migrant from The Netherlands in 1958 and has never dispossessed anyone or anything, as far as we know. The prosaic truth that no one currently alive occupied this continent much more than a century ago explains why many Australians regarded the voice as unjust. Saturday’s result was a repudiation of the black-armband approach to history.

Australians outside the Tesla zone have told the elite they’ve had enough of the national guilt trip. They’re sick of the self-flagellating speeches, national apologies, welcome to country and all the other politically correct performances.

It is a call to let bygones be bygones, recognising the pursuit of historical grievances springs from the same unforgiving logic that justifies the Palestinian cause.

Above all, it is a rejection of the insufferable arrogance of the anointed and their presumption of superior wisdom and morality. The No vote amounts to an act of insurrection by outsiders against the progressive establishment.

That much is evident from the wide variation between comfortable inner metropolitan electorates and outer metropolitan and regional seats. As a rule of thumb, the higher the support for the referendum proposal, the harder it is to find a tradie. In the seat of Flynn, which centres on Gladstone in central Queensland, almost one in five people has a trade certificate. In the seat of Melbourne, on the other hand, the tradies make up just 5 per cent of the population. The latest counting shows that 78 per cent of voters in Melbourne voted yes while 84 per cent in Flynn voted no.

The pattern is reversed for university graduates. In the 33 electorates where the vote was running in favour of the voice at the close of Saturday night’s count, one in three residents has a graduate or higher degree. In the No seats, it is one in six.

At its heart, the voice was an intellectual project framed around an abstract concept of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians rather than a practical measure designed to improve everyday lives. People declaring themselves Indigenous account for 1.5 per cent of the population in the Yes seats. In the No seats, it is 4.8 per cent.

The five seats with the largest proportion of Indigenous residents – Lingiari (40.3 per cent), Parkes (16.4 per cent), Leichhardt (16.3 per cent), Durack (15.2 per cent) and Kennedy (14.8 per cent) – voted no by an average of 71 per cent. The results in the five electorates with the smallest Indigenous population – Goldstein (0.2 per cent), Chisholm (0.3 per cent), Bradfield (0.3 per cent), Kooyong (0.3 per cent) and Higgins (0.3 per cent) – averaged 56 per cent in favour.

That doesn’t mean all Aboriginal people were against the voice any more than we can assume every tradie voted no. Indigenous people were split, despite the hubris of the Indigenous elite in their references to “our people”.

The intelligentsia may find it impossible to concede defeat on anything more than a technical amendment to the Constitution. The Indigenous leaders’ unsigned statement on Saturday hinted darkly at “the role of racism and prejudice against Indigenous people”. They said Australians who voted no should “reflect hard on this question”.

Pointing the finger at the “dinosaurs” and “dickheads” who populate the morally bankrupt land on the other side of the argument offers an easy way out for the voice crusaders. They will not have to dwell on the uncomfortable truth that the result is a rejection of their entire vision of the world, in which Indigenous Australians sit on a higher moral plane, as people who have been wronged by others, who deserve to be redressed.

The Sydney Morning Herald got it badly wrong in a headline on Sunday. “Devastating verdict,” it read. “Australia tells First Nations people ‘you are not special’.” The overwhelming sentiment among No voters was the very opposite.

“They have said no to grievance and the push from activists to suggest that we are a racist country when we are absolutely not a racist country,” Jacinta Nampijinpa Price said on Saturday. “We are all part of the fabric of this nation.”

The founding philosophy of modern Australia, 19th-century liberalism rooted in Christianity, holds that every person is unique, just as all lives matter. No one, however, is more special than anyone else.

On Saturday, Anthony Albanese finally hit the right tone in a speech expressing optimism and a “new national purpose”. The referendum offers a mandate for just that, should the PM have the courage to take it.

Albanese should recognise the result as a call for the end to the policy of separatism that began under Gough Whitlam and has yet to be challenged. The self-determination policy, as it was called, was intended to empower Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people by granting them control of settlements where they might practice their traditional customs.

The descent of these Rousseauean-inspired idylls into welfare sinkholes riddled with social dysfunction was immediate and is now all but irreversible. The most tragic mistake was the assumption that Aboriginal people held abnormally strong communal values that rose above the wishes of any individual. The free market barely operates across much of central and northern Australia.

Adopting capitalism may have brought a couple of billion people out of poverty in the last 30 years, but in large parts of remote Australia, it is effectively banned.

Saturday’s result provides an opportunity to liberate Aboriginal Australians from the debilitating assumption that they are victims from birth. It is a chance to break the tyranny of low expectations. Every Indigenous citizen should be able to exercise their full rights as citizens to alter the course of their lives for good or ill.

Nick Cater is senior fellow at the Menzies Research Centre.

Oz

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 16, 2023 10:05 am

Greg Craven’s $20 million estimate for Yes campaign spending is undercooked by about two thirds.

So misinformation?

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 10:06 am

African arrivals tricked to believe they were headed for U.S. or Europe

…am I a bad person if I laughed?

Look they can learn Portuguese, Spanish & English and save up their money.

They’ll be okay, they just need to be patient. The EU won’t turn them back and US elections may be permanently compromised and Biden & Harris are completely off their bonce.

Brazil might even be okay. Probably better than downtown San Franshitso.

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 10:06 am

For those who doubt the uselessness of the APS cosider this. An SES1 who was removed from his position for being useless has been given a newly created job at a higher level within the same organisation. Not only will he still be useless he is getting paid more to stuff up an already incompetent agency. Go figure. Obviously mates af the boss.

Sounds like the NDIS.

Johnny Rotten
October 16, 2023 10:07 am

Please people it is Torys. Ignore autocorrect or just switch it off. Ask a young person how.

In Mrs Stencho Pantyhose’s case, it was maybe just a bit of jam on the keyboard. Or maybe just another bit of ignoramus from the master blaster trying to bleat some more.

Autocorrect cannot easily fix that.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 16, 2023 10:07 am

I cannot wait for Australia Day.
To be able to tell the Change The Date whingers that they are a tiny, irrelevant minority.
Or, to use that word the ABC love to use to dismiss rural conservatives – “a rump”.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 16, 2023 10:09 am

The term is “Torries”.
Only Limey whingers say “Tories”.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 16, 2023 10:10 am

Some interesting observations about the relationship between Advance Australia and the Lieborals in that Albrechtsen article. They (the Lieborals) aren’t there yet.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 16, 2023 10:11 am

Dems Blindsided as GOP Flips Louisiana Governorship

In an echo of the 2016 election, Democrats have been blindsided by a stunning Republican victory in a race for chief executive. Louisiana’s “jungle primary” for the governor’s seat wrapped up on Saturday, and the state’s attorney general, Jeff Landry, won a flat-out majority (52%), eliminating the need for a run-off between the top two vote-getters in November. His victory returns leadership of the Bayou State to the Republicans.

Democrat Gov. John Bel Edwards has held the office for eight years but had to step down due to term limits. The top Democrat in Saturday’s race, former state transportation secretary Shawn Wilson, was only able to pull 26% of the vote despite having consolidated Democrat support in the race.

“Republican Jeff Landry claims back Louisiana governor’s office in stunning GOP victory” reads USA Today’s headline. “Jeff Landry, a Hard-Line Republican, Is Elected Governor of Louisiana,” laments The New York Times. And CNN calls Landry “a hard-line conservative.”

Ordinarily, Republican victories would not be surprising in a country where Democrats have been such obvious and painful failures.

Between the alien invasion, horrifying foreign policy catastrophes, impoverishing inflation, out-of-control crime, and intensely disliked, openly corrupt Democrat officeholders, the GOP should be skating to easy victories wherever they choose to run.

But there is no denying that the abortion issue has led to disappointing Republican losses since the Supreme Court handed down the Dobbs decision last year. From the disappointing Red Trickle in November 2022 to conservative Ohio’s special election in August that set the stage for a pro-abortion constitutional amendment, the issue has manifestly rallied left-wing voters.

Over a year has passed since Dobbs, however, and the nation is settling into the new normal in which states pass their own laws according to what their voters choose. Democrats profess to love “our sacred democracy,” so they have a hard time arguing against it when people democratically vote to protect the unborn in their own locales. But then again, logical consistency has never been Democrats’ strong point.

Meanwhile, Democrats have been such utter failures at governing that abortion may no longer be a powerful enough talisman to save them. Households have lost somewhere in the neighborhood of one-fifth of their spending power under Biden’s disastrous rule. Criminals control the streets and drive businesses away, leaving already struggling residents with nowhere to buy food or medicine. And on top of feeling poorer than they ever have, people see their tax dollars being lavished on the unabated flood of third-world foreign nationals whom the Biden administration jets to destinations throughout their homeland.

Not only that, while leftists have long professed disgust with their own country, the weak old man in the White House’s foreign policy losses have opened their eyes to what the world looks like when America isn’t a superpower. Spoiler alert: it’s terrifying. Maybe the old U.S. of A. isn’t that bad after all.

There is a second reason why Landry’s win is a striking foreshadowing of what might happen in 2024:

he was explicitly endorsed by front-running presidential candidate Donald Trump. In a 15-second spot released by Landry’s campaign last spring, the candidate stands alongside Trump as the former president sings his praises:

Johnny Rotten
October 16, 2023 10:12 am

For those who doubt the uselessness of the APS cosider this. An SES1 who was removed from his position for being useless has been given a newly created job at a higher level within the same organisation. Not only will he still be useless he is getting paid more to stuff up an already incompetent agency. Go figure. Obviously mates af the boss.

LOL. Dotty Dot of Dottiness needs to either have more auto correct or to type slower.

Maybe a word a week.

Or, maybe back to “skool” after the lobotomy.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 16, 2023 10:13 am

Daily Mail.

Jacinta Price’s parents are physically attacked after the Voice referendum result: ‘Nobody should put up with this nonsense’

No campaigner’s parents targeted by thugs and vandals
Father was egged and home attacked with paint

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 16, 2023 10:14 am

I cannot wait for Australia Day.

Maybe leave the possum skin undies in the drawer this year.

Makka
Makka
October 16, 2023 10:15 am

Jacinta Price’s parents are physically attacked after the Voice referendum result:

Bringing us together, eh Albo?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 16, 2023 10:15 am

Albo’s truly a political genius.
I can tell you now that there’s a huge groundswell developing against the takeover of the bush by foreign multi-nationals building renewables.
The networks are formed and the organisation of protests and legal injunctions are underway.
We welcome the aggression from government and industry as it attracts the media and the appalling story of graft and vested interests get exposed to the general population.
Take it away Luigi.

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 10:19 am

LOL. Dotty Dot of Dottiness needs to either have more auto correct or to type slower.

Ease up on the meth buddy, that was blockquoted from Mr Ranga.

Actually no. Go the whole hog, treat yourself.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 16, 2023 10:19 am

Daily Mail.

Indigenous ABC TV reporter Isabella Higgins issues warning that Aboriginal communities may treat non-Indigenous Australians differently after Voice vote: ‘Black anger’

Sorry, how do you spell “reconciliation?”

Johnny Rotten
October 16, 2023 10:23 am

Sancho Panzer
Oct 16, 2023 10:09 AM
The term is “Torries”.
Only Limey whingers say “Tories”.

You Plonker, Mrs Stencho Pantyhose, please get the country right AND the spelling.

I assume that you are not a Yank, so please resist from using the word ‘limey’ which is what ‘Jer Cough Cretin’ (your lover boy ladyboy) would use as a pseudo Yank (from MelBUM in Sictoria)

It is being a ‘Tory’. BTW, Mrs Torrie would easily belt your lights out. T.W.A.T. All you can give is a pathetic S(tory) at best here on this lovely Blog.

https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TcwLC4oNzZg9OItyS8qykxVKM_MKc7PAwBqvQim&q=torrie+wilson&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBAU906AU906&oq=torrie&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgBEC4YFBiHAhiABDILCAAQRRgnGDsYigUyDAgBEC4YFBiHAhiABDIGCAIQRRhAMgwIAxAuGBQYhwIYgAQyDwgEEAAYChiDARixAxiABDIPCAUQABgKGIMBGLEDGIAEMgcIBhAAGIAEMgYIBxBFGDzSAQkxMDQxMmowajeoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 16, 2023 10:25 am

Australians outside the Tesla zone have told the elite they’ve had enough of the national guilt trip.

Also known as the goat cheese curtain!
Weeping into their almond milk lattes.
The lamentation this morning is fun.

Roger
Roger
October 16, 2023 10:26 am

The Prime Minister has flagged that, post the Voice referendum, his government will turn its full attention to the decarbonisation of the economy and the prospect of Australia becoming an renewable energy superpower.

Blaming Dutton not getting much traction then.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 16, 2023 10:28 am

The Lovely Elite YES Voters show thier True Nature

Jacinta Price’s parents are physically attacked after the Voice referendum result:

. ‘Nobody should put up with this nonsense’
. No campaigner’s parents targeted by thugs and vandals
. Father was egged and home attacked with paint

Indigenous No campaigner Jacinta Price has revealed her family was egged by strangers and their home vandalised after Saturday’s referendum result.

She revealed her white father David Price was attacked after he and wife Bess Nampijinpa spoke on Sky News Australia on Saturday night in the wake of the Voice vote.

Their home in Alice Springs in the Northern Territory had also been covered in a paint in a unprovoked attack by Yes activists, she said.

She blamed ‘nasty’ locals in the Red Centre town for the attacks, acting in reprisal for losing the referendum vote.

‘There’s some pretty nasty individuals in Alice Springs, who obviously don’t like the outcome,’ she said. ‘My concern now and then is their safety.

‘They shouldn’t have to put up with that kind of nonsense. Nobody should have to put up with that kind of nonsense.

‘And hopefully that will die down and those individuals will wake up to themselves.’

Footage from the Sky interview reveals people shouting at the couple off screen as they spoke of their pride in their daughter’s work in the referendum campaign.

Senator Price was appointed shadow minister for Indigenous affairs when the Coalition announced they would be opposing the Indigenous Voice to Parliament.

Her role in the campaign was said to be key to the referendum result but Mr Price told Sky it had enraged some locals in their hometown.

‘This is what we expect,’ he said. ‘This is what we’ve lived with for years and years.

‘That sort of insane, aggressive abuse, but basically they’re cowards.

‘These people who threaten us and yell at us from passing motorcars, they’ll never face us. They’ve never come up to our faces.

‘But we’ve lived with that sort of rubbish for years. So you know, it’s something we expect, we’re used to it, and we don’t care much about it really.’

Roger
Roger
October 16, 2023 10:28 am

Indigenous ABC TV reporter Isabella Higgins issues warning that Aboriginal communities may treat non-Indigenous Australians differently after Voice vote: ‘Black anger’

Is that a warning or a threat?

Asking for Mike Burgess.

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 10:31 am

Indigenous ABC TV reporter Isabella Higgins issues warning that Aboriginal communities may treat non-Indigenous Australians differently after Voice vote: ‘Black anger’

Yep. This is actually true.

They think doctor’s wives, Albanese, Noosa Neal & Thomas Mayo are rich, white, hypocritical commie wankers who hate them and treat them as property.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 16, 2023 10:31 am

Australians outside the Tesla zone have told the elite they’ve had enough of the national guilt trip.

“Tesla zone”.
Beautiful imagery.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 16, 2023 10:31 am

Australians outside the Tesla zone have told the elite they’ve had enough of the national guilt trip.

Wonder how much will carry over into politics BAU? My thoughts – not much. Wasn’t much of it around during Covid.

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 10:32 am

Tesla zones are free range 15 minute cities.

Johnny Rotten
October 16, 2023 10:34 am

Dot
Oct 16, 2023 10:19 AM
LOL. Dotty Dot of Dottiness needs to either have more auto correct or to type slower.

Ease up on the meth buddy, that was blockquoted from Mr Ranga.

Still poor spelling and checking after Juliar Gizzards ‘Ejucashion’ Revolushion.

And wot’ is this American word ‘buddy’? Are you really true blue.?

Zatara
Zatara
October 16, 2023 10:37 am

Harry and Meghan preach mental health but ‘don’t seem well either’

It doesn’t seem a big stretch to predict long hours on a psych’s couch for Harry after he finally jettisons Meghan (or vice versa).

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 10:37 am

Sure, buddy retard.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 16, 2023 10:40 am

Indigenous ABC TV reporter Isabella Higgins issues warning that Aboriginal communities may treat non-Indigenous Australians differently after Voice vote: ‘Black anger’

Genius level analysis.
In my own line of work I have fairly regular contact with Indigenous groups – access agreements, cultural clearance, and NTA’s.

Over the past six months this has become stupidly difficult as said groups wait for the result of the Referendum. I’m now expecting a total shut down between the resources sector and the traditional owners.

C.L.
C.L.
October 16, 2023 10:40 am

It looks like Law & Justice has won the most votes of any party in the Polish election but not enough to outmatch a coalition of left-wing parties who will coalesce under anti-Christian, communist pervert Donald Tusk.

Roger
Roger
October 16, 2023 10:41 am

He is so smart that he ricochets from disaster to disaster. Just as the rest of the world is starting to back away from renewables and the decarbonisation idiocy the genius in the Lodge is ploughing on.

A pinball in the political machine, hitting the bumpers not the targets and about to go down the drain.

Roger
Roger
October 16, 2023 10:43 am

I’m now expecting a total shut down between the resources sector and the traditional owners.

Perhaps we could shut down the Centrelink payments in response.

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 10:44 am

calli
Oct 16, 2023 9:15 AM
And another thing…I was heartened by the disproving of suspected AEC “fixing”.

It was bait from nasty lefty turds and ran with by the gullible and LARPers. A suspected spook and absolute dog of a human being ran that garbage here.

Johnny Rotten
October 16, 2023 10:46 am

This is bonkers –

The YES ReferenDUMB voters are going on and on about losing the ReferenDUMB.

It was never their ReferenDUMB to lose as they had never WON anything thing in the first place.

Australia, the People, has voted on the change to the CONSTITUTION. Arrogant Tennis Elbow, the so called Elites and Big Business got it wrong Big Time.

End of Story, for the moment.

Arrogant Tennis Elbow; your move next.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
October 16, 2023 10:47 am

Did not bother with 4BC this morning so went to 2GB Hadley via streaming.

It appears I missed a good opening as callers were calling in to say he had done his best ever opening. Seems corporates featured big.

Crossie
Crossie
October 16, 2023 10:49 am

Make no mistake, the No result was an act of insurrection

Australians outside the Tesla zone have told the elite they’ve had enough of the national guilt trip. They’re sick of the self-flagellating speeches, apologies, welcome and all the other performances.

By NICK CATER

I love the “Tesla zone” quip. They are different in those areas, they don’t have to worry about the mortgage interest rate or that they have not received a pay rise in over a decade. They can buy a third car that is as useful as a Segue or Fred Flintstone’s vehicle therefore they can indulge any other fad because it will not bankrupt them as COVID lockdowns ruined small businesses in western suburbs. Even during COVID lockdowns they were insulated by their laptop careers so nothing ever touches them.

Roger
Roger
October 16, 2023 10:51 am

Pfizer launches cost-cutting drive as covid sales fall:

Pfizer has said it will shed staff and cut its operating costs by around $3.5 billion, as it faces a shortfall in COVID-19 vaccine and treatment sales, with revenues now expected to be down around $9 billion in 2023 compared to prior forecasts.

– Pharmaphorum, 15 OCT 2023

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 16, 2023 10:52 am

Qantas loyalty boss Olivia Wirth to depart, ex-PwC exec to head HR

Ayesha de Kretser
Senior reporter

Qantas chief executive Vanessa Hudson’s task of rebuilding the airline’s battered reputation has become even more complex, after head of loyalty and the steward of the Frequent Flyer business, Olivia Wirth, resigned.

Last week, Ms Wirth accepted a board seat at Myer, spurring speculation she would soon depart Qantas where she lost out to Ms Hudson in the race to succeed Alan Joyce. She has also been touted as the next head of loyalty for Crown Casino, which like Myer, is based in Melbourne.

Meanwhile, ex-PwC head of culture, Catherine Walsh, joins Qantas in January to fill a newly created position, reporting to Ms Hudson as chief people officer, as flagged by The Australian Financial Review last month.

Qantas said Ms Walsh has 25 years’ experience in human resources and industrial relations, including most recently as a “member of the new leadership team driving cultural change at PwC”.

Ms Hudson thanked Ms Wirth for her contribution to the company, having grown the Qantas loyalty program by 3 million to 15 million members, as well as delivering record earnings.

“During COVID, loyalty was one of the few parts of our business that was able to carry on, which took a lot of hard work and imagination. There are many improvements for customers in the pipeline that Olivia will continue working on with her team over the next few months, as part of setting this part of the business up for continued success,” Ms Hudson said in a statement.

Ms Wirth said before she departs in February she will deliver further improvements to the loyalty business, which was singled out at a Senate inquiry into aviation last month by politicians, given the volume of customer complaints about the Frequent Flyer program.

In May, Qantas flagged its intention for the loyalty division to deliver up to $1 billion of earnings by 2030, powered by a “targeted expansion in financial services and insurance”.

As well as its brand and reputational issues, Qantas is facing a major challenge hiring staff to replace those it sacked during the pandemic and to rebuild fractured relationships with trade unions. Last month, the High Court ruled Qantas had illegally sacked nearly 1700 ground workers at 10 airports across Australia and Ms Hudson pledged to quickly settle compensation.

At the end of June, Qantas flagged that it would appoint a chief people officer to focus on employee issues.

In a statement on Monday, the airline said Ms Walsh will “drive a stronger relationship between Qantas and its 25,000 employees, as well as with the unions that represent them”.

“As our chief people officer, Catherine will support those collective efforts by ensuring we always value the incredible contribution our people make to this organisation and listen to their insights, especially as we welcome thousands more to the group to support our growth,” said Ms Hudson.

The changes follow last Tuesday’s announcement that chairman Richard Goyder and two non-executive directors Jacqueline Hey and Maxine Brenner will step down from the Qantas board next year.

Ms Hey and Ms Brenner will depart in February, while Mr Goyder has agreed to retire before next year’s annual meeting in November.

Olivia Worth is a nice lady – worked with her when she was at Tourism Australia

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 16, 2023 10:52 am

I’m now expecting a total shut down between the resources sector and the traditional owners.

Given how much dosh the likes of Rio and BHP gave to the Yes case I think we’re going to see quite an outbreak of galloping schadenfreude.

Tom
Tom
October 16, 2023 10:54 am

Thank God! Dutton walks back his referendum campaign brain fart (Paywallian):

Peter Dutton has backed away from his commitment to a second referendum on constitutional recognition, declaring that “it’s clear that the Australian public is probably over the referendum process for some time.”

When asked if he stood by his commitment on Monday morning, the Opposition Leader said that “all of our policy … is going to be reviewed in the process that Kerrynne (Liddle) and Jacinta (Price) will lead now.”

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 16, 2023 10:54 am

Is it time to describe AnAl as the “Prime Minister who has healed the nation’s heart”?

Crossie
Crossie
October 16, 2023 10:54 am

Adopting capitalism may have brought a couple of billion people out of poverty in the last 30 years, but in large parts of remote Australia, it is effectively banned.

This is another bit from Nick Cater’s article. What is happening in remote communities is not communism but feudalism, there is one boss who owns everything and everyone and he then grants favours to the lesser members of his community. It is paternalism at its worst yet not a peep out of our feminists. What is even more egregious is that these same feminists are in favour of it because “authentic culture”. There is nothing authentic about it when it is underpinned by federal and state funds and royalties from resource companies.

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 10:56 am

My bet is that Law and Justice will govern with the Third Way. They have common roots.

Aren’t they semi-Presidential governance country like France? The Pres. is an independent, apparently.

Zatara
Zatara
October 16, 2023 10:57 am

“it’s clear that the Australian public is probably over the referendum process for some time.”

At $400M a pop one would hope so.

C.L.
C.L.
October 16, 2023 10:57 am

Jupes’ top 11 heroes of the No campaign deserves a wider audience.

C.L.
C.L.
October 16, 2023 10:58 am

My bet is that Law and Justice will govern with the Third Way. They have common roots.

We’ll see. Very strange to declare victorious victory after one exit poll.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 16, 2023 10:59 am

Australian Labor Lemmings Continue their Plunge to Oblivion

‘Zero prospect’ SA will dump its Voice plan

Simon Evans – Senior reporter

South Australian Premier Peter Malinauskas says a state-based Voice to the SA parliament legislated in March but delayed for six months to allow clear air for the Voice referendum, is full steam ahead and has not been damaged by a resounding No vote.

Mr Malinauskas, a prominent Yes campaigner who spoke at the national launch with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese in late August, said on Sunday that elections would proceed as planned in mid-March for representatives to the state-based Voice to parliament, the first by any jurisdiction in Australia.

He emphasised the SA Voice to parliament had already been legislated in March, and had bipartisan support in that process. He said it was “very different in nature” to the national Voice proposal, in which Mr Albanese sought changes to the constitution.

The No vote in SA in the October 14 referendum was the second highest of any state in Australia at 64 per cent, versus 36 per cent Yes. This dashed the high hopes of Yes campaigners who pointed to SA’s history of being a progressive state on many issues, including being the first state in Australia to grant women the right to vote in the 1890s. Indigenous man Sir Doug Nicholls, an AFL great and Christian pastor who campaigned for Indigenous rights, was appointed SA governor in 1976.

Mr Malinauskas said the referendum loss had stemmed largely from not having bipartisan support, which history showed was crucial for a referendum to be successful.

“This one just adds to the list,” he told reporters. He also said it was a clear-cut decision by voters uncomfortable about embedding changes in the constitution. “Australians across the board made it pretty clear they weren’t in favour of a constitutional change,” he said.

He rejected suggestions it had created deep divisions, saying “I don’t buy this argument that the referendum has divided the nation”.

He said under the state-based Voice, MPs would be able to reject or accept the advice, although that is the same as would have applied to the now rejected federal version.

“It’s not particularly controversial, that will roll out as planned,” Mr Malinauskas said. “It’s very different in nature to what was being proposed yesterday in the referendum.”

One Nation’s Sarah Game, a politician in SA’s Upper House, wants to repeal the state-based voice and intends introducing a bill on Tuesday.

She said “Australia has spoken” and there is no justification for the state-based voice. But Labor has a large majority in the lower house, making it impossible to succeed.

Attorney General Kyam Maher, who is also the state’s Aboriginal Affairs Minister, said the large No vote in SA did not change anything at a state level on the state-based voice and MPs he had spoken to had signalled there would be no rolling it back.

“There actually is zero prospect of this being repealed,” he told reporters on Sunday.

“We will, in South Australia, get on with our First Nations Voice”.

Roger
Roger
October 16, 2023 11:00 am

“it’s clear that the Australian public is probably over the referendum process for some time.”

I was thinking the opposite….many Australians feel politically energised by the opportunity for direct input into policy.

Suggestions for future referenda:

Immigration

Net Zero

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 11:01 am

PiS may even convince the “far right!” and conservative Third Way members to switch parties.

The media love Tusk because they think he is their EU version of Trump.

If he was named Laszlo Odzowski, he wouldn’t be lionised as such.

Roger
Roger
October 16, 2023 11:02 am

“We will, in South Australia, get on with our First Nations Voice”.

Very courageous, Attorney-General.

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 11:06 am

WARSAW, Poland (AP) — Polish opposition leader Donald Tusk declared the beginning of a new era for his country after opposition parties appeared to have won enough votes in Sunday’s parliamentary election to oust the governing nationalist conservative party.

LOL

His party won 163 from 460 seats, up from 135. He has no mandate other than to run a caretaker government solely on domestic issues, if at all.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 16, 2023 11:06 am

Failed Voice could force corporate Australia to rethink position on divisive issues

Companies have been quick to declare support for a range of social issues, but the failed voice referendum could force them to rethink their positions.

Jared Lynch

Companies could potentially think twice about backing divisive ­social issues, according to key business leaders, after many high-profile firms poured millions of dollars into supporting the failed Indigenous voice referendum.

While not all businesses donated cash, the result of the referendum reveals a gulf between Australian boardrooms and the broader population, a move experts say has the potential to alienate customers, staff and wound brands.

Marcus Blackmore a prominent supporter of the No campaign – said the failed referendum has the potential to halt the wave of companies virtue signalling.

“They will really have to think long and hard about social issues,” Mr Blackmore said, adding he expected investors to ask executives tough questions at annual shareholder meetings, which begin this month.

“Some of the companies came out and said ‘Well, we‘ve got a responsibility to have a say in these sorts of things on behalf of our staff’. But I bet none of them did it on behalf of the staff. None of them.

“I think what will happen in the boardroom, before they come up with a similar sort of thing again, is the board would want to see the views of the staff. Because if the staff are all opposed to it, or even if 60 per cent of them are opposed to it, then you don‘t want to alienate your staff.”

Herald-Sun

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 16, 2023 11:06 am

It looks like Law & Justice has won the most votes of any party in the Polish election but not enough to outmatch a coalition of left-wing parties who will coalesce under anti-Christian, communist pervert Donald Tusk.

The problem appears to be a new astroturf “centre-right” party, which looks to be lefty in actual reality.

Third Way Poland (wiki)

They won 13%. You would therefore expect as centre-right they would be natural coalition members for a right wing government, which with 37% for PiS and 6% for Confederation they’d have a massive majority. Even without Confederation they might have enough.

But from what I can see the new “centre-right” party is inclined towards a lefty coalition. Astroturfing works. I’d be happy to be proven wrong, but that what it looks like. Blame my suspicious mind.

Poland Elections: Conservatives Secure Most Votes But Fall Short of Majority, Globalist Tusk Claims Victory, Vows to Form Left-Wing Coalition (15 Oct)

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 11:08 am

Attorney General Kyam Maher, who is also the state’s Aboriginal Affairs Minister, said the large No vote in SA did not change anything at a state level on the state-based voice and MPs he had spoken to had signalled there would be no rolling it back.

What an absolute madman.

The pre poll votes will break very heavily NO.

rosie
rosie
October 16, 2023 11:08 am

I agree Dr F, Craven is saying yessers are walking away saying it was an uplifting experience because spotlight.
Now I want those audits, I want aboriginal people to have the same health, employment and educational opportunities as the rest of us.
Get out of the damn desert!
As for arrogant Elbow, you’re cooked.

rosie
rosie
October 16, 2023 11:09 am

Good to see Iran backing away from their earthquake predictions.
Perhaps they realised earthquakes sometimes experience a domino effect.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 16, 2023 11:10 am

Labor grilled over ‘$400 million divisive debacle’

Pressure is growing on the federal government to explain the Voice referendum “wipe-out” and the $400 million poured “down the drain”.

Pressure is growing on the federal government to explain the Voice referendum “wipe-out” and the $400 million poured “down the drain” on the vote during a cost-of-living crisis.

Tanya Plibersek appeared on Seven’s Sunrise on Monday morning where host Natalie Barr grilled the federal Environment Minister over the “dismal” result.

“How did the government get this so wrong?” Barr asked.

“Well I think we need to take a bit of time to consider what happened here,” Ms Plibersek said.

“We need to take a little bit of time to examine the fallout here and think about a constructive way forward. I don’t think Saturday night’s result was a vote against progress to close the gap, I think it was against the particular proposition. Most Australians agree that we need to do better.”

But Barr said it “doesn’t take long to look at that map” to see that something the Labor government was “hiking its hat on failed so dismally across the country”.

“It was a wipe-out,” she said. “So what do you learn from that, $400 million down the drain on something people said No?”

Ms Plibersek agreed it was a “very disappointing result and there’s no two ways about it”.

“But like I say, it was a rejection of this question and I think there is still a lot of goodwill in the Australian people to close the gap,” she said.

“It is important to take a little bit of time and just let the dust settle, to really think through out next steps to make sure we are working in a way that brings Australians together to reduce disadvantage in this country.”

Nationals MP Barnaby Joyce slammed the government for a $400 million “divisive debacle”.

He said Prime Minister Anthony Albanese had “read perfectly his inner suburban seat of Grayndler” but failed to read the rest of the country.

Inner-city seats and the ACT voted Yes while the rest of Australia “thought about the price of power, the price of their food and groceries”, Mr Joyce said, adding the PM should have “done the statesmanlike thing” earlier and called off the referendum when the writing was on the wall.

“It wasn’t a surprise, it was given to him by polls,” he said. “He was listening to his own echo chamber, he wasn’t listening to the Australian people.”

C.L.
C.L.
October 16, 2023 11:12 am

Craven supported the Voice because he’s a papal knight who would have been expelled from the Catholic Justice & Peace Union if he didn’t. I never discerned anything deeper than bourgeois self-interest in any of his scatterbrained interventions.

Roger
Roger
October 16, 2023 11:12 am

“I think what will happen in the boardroom, before they come up with a similar sort of thing again, is the board would want to see the views of the staff. Because if the staff are all opposed to it, or even if 60 per cent of them are opposed to it, then you don‘t want to alienate your staff.”

Eh?

What about alienating your customers?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 16, 2023 11:13 am

Qantas said Ms Walsh has 25 years’ experience in human resources and industrial relations, including most recently as a “member of the new leadership team driving cultural change at PwC”.

Where (one time?) squeeze and potential PM in waiting Piggy Howes is a partner. Ah Australia don’t ever change.

wivenhoe
wivenhoe
October 16, 2023 11:13 am

Suggestions for future referenda:

Immigration

Net Zero

Term Limits
Sunset clauses

rosie
rosie
October 16, 2023 11:13 am

I agree Roger.
Referenda on immigration and energy policy now!

Cassie of Sydney
October 16, 2023 11:13 am

I think Craven’s piece in the Oz is a very good and fair analysis of why YES failed.

What I can’t understand is why Craven, Brenndan and Leeser, who all called out the failings in the YES model months ago, were still willing to vote yes to such a flawed and divisive model that would have destroyed this country.

Craven also acknowledges in his Oz piece, how YES was captured and manipulated by radical hard-left activists. It was bound to collapse in a heap, and on Saturday night it did, bigtime.

As Michael Kroger said last night on PM Live, Australians living in electorates with the highest indigenous populations all voted NO in high numbers whilst Australians living in electorates with the lowest indigenous populations all voted YES in high numbers….Mackellar excepted.

dopey
dopey
October 16, 2023 11:14 am

ABC soldiers on. ” Political parties tasked with closing the gap without a Voice.”

Dot
Dot
October 16, 2023 11:15 am

Term Limits
Sunset clauses

Don’t start me.

Zatara
Zatara
October 16, 2023 11:15 am

Lest we forget.

Budget papers reveal the $364.6 million cost of delivering the Voice referendum

The federal government has confirmed the amount of money it is putting towards the Voice to Parliament referendum that will be held later this year.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
October 16, 2023 11:16 am

Janet A in the Oz …

One senior Liberal MP muses about a different outcome had Josh Frydenberg been leader.

“With all due respect to my good friend Josh, if Josh was leader, he would’ve had a free vote in the party. He would’ve been out there advocating Yes because, like Turnbull and Hockey, he looks at it through the lens of his electorate. And the party would be tearing itself apart. Albanese would be in the ascendency.”

This sums up the SFLs and why I tore up my membership. They are a bunch of cucks and as soon as Dutton makes traction, they will tear him down. Vic SFLs will remain a disaster.

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