Open Thread – Wed 1 Nov 2023


The Forerunners of Christ with Saints and Martyrs, Fra Angelico, c. early 15th Century

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Muddy
Muddy
November 1, 2023 9:17 pm

Police update regarding pro-Palestine rallies

From Cassie’s link above re. Andrew Lawrence. Bang on.

… simply don’t understand that this is not their country anymore.

Dot
Dot
November 1, 2023 9:17 pm

Pat Mac
Nov 1, 2023 7:02 PM
Who the f..k then.

???

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 1, 2023 9:20 pm

16 minute vid on the difficulty of tunnel fighting. Clearly bombing them out will save many Israeli lives.

Pumping them full of seawater?

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
November 1, 2023 9:20 pm

Arafat with assistence from Soviets was the initiator of the cynical use of Arabs to disenfranchise the Jewish state of Israel. The first sign of success was his invitation as guest of honour at the UN as a reward for hijacking planes and ships. He would have known then that his efforts were gaining international welcome. Much of the world recognised slanderous images of Israel could be the pathway to lay aside pity for Holocaust dead Jews. It has taken six decades for Arfat’s foul campaign to bear fruit where a successful slaughter in Israel is taken as the rallying call as far afield as Dagestan. This is still the exact same war. Hundred year religious wars didn’t occur only in the past.

cohenite
November 1, 2023 9:21 pm

Whacky world of islam:

Palestinian’ woman who was featured in Vogue to Jews: ‘We will drink your blood and eat your skull’

Tulane University: Pro-Hamas Demonstrators Break Nose of Jewish Student at Pro-Israel Rally

Palestinian Muslim cleric rejects support from ‘Queers for Palestine’ as an ‘abomination’

Nigeria: ‘In less than 48 hours, we recovered over 80 dead bodies, and we recovered 20 headless bodies’

Roger
Roger
November 1, 2023 9:22 pm

According to a news report I saw on my phone earlier but can’t locate now:

Australia’s “Arab community leaders” have warned the ALP it risks losing the Arab vote if it continues to uphold Israel’s right to defend itself.

Said to number c. 300 000, concentrated in certain Sydney seats.

Given the lack of alternatives, presumably they won’t turn out to vote at all.

132andBush
132andBush
November 1, 2023 9:23 pm

Had a call today from a farmer near Rochester, a bloke I’ve done mechanical work for in the past. He was wondering if I may know of anyone to drive his header or truck this harvest. I didn’t but we had a good catch up on the season, including the state of things a year ago when the whole country seemed submerged. He told me he burned 12,000lts+ of diesel running a pump to keep his house and sheds dry!

He’s a Trump fan so I asked him what he thought of what’s going on everywhere.
In a sign of how pervasive the propaganda has been his first comments were about “Israel going too far in Gaza”.
I set him straight on a couple of issues but we both had to get going and said goodbye.

It was saddening.

JC
JC
November 1, 2023 9:24 pm

Given the lack of alternatives, presumably they won’t turn out to vote at all.

Bandt would take them in, in a flash.

rosie
rosie
November 1, 2023 9:27 pm

Also that despite the fact that hamas has started every conflict by committing atrocities against Israeli civilians, Israel must yield when the claimed Gazan body count is greater than the Israeli one, based on the bogus ‘proportionality’ argument.

132andBush
132andBush
November 1, 2023 9:27 pm

It makes me wonder whether rub and tug’s exponential increase in migration here has a similar purpose. Where the fuk are these migrants coming from?

The last attempt being the Rudd goat rodeo.

rosie
rosie
November 1, 2023 9:28 pm

Given the lack of alternatives, presumably they won’t turn out to vote at all.

That’ll work.
BTW what happened to the muslim party?

Roger
Roger
November 1, 2023 9:32 pm

That’ll work.

It’ll certainly hit the ALP’s bottom line in those seats.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
November 1, 2023 9:35 pm

In a sign of how pervasive the propaganda has been his first comments were about “Israel going too far in Gaza”.

“Uh huh, bloke, if shitheads turned up at your place early one Sunday morning, raped any of your daughters older than 8, cut the fingers off your sons, raped your missus until she was dead (could take a few hours of non-stop raping) then went off driving any of your machinery they could start, taking your kids with them as hostages.

then you came back from down the paddock & found all this, would it be fair to say you’d be happy to call it “even” if they just apologised?

Muddy
Muddy
November 1, 2023 9:39 pm

16 minute vid on the difficulty of tunnel fighting. Clearly bombing them out will save many Israeli lives.

At some point, h@m@s will herd their civilian population into threatened tunnel systems, claim they were sheltering from the Isr@elis, and kill them.

h@m@s (and allies) are playing for time. Why? As I asked a few days ago, what is the victory state they have in mind?

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
November 1, 2023 9:44 pm

“Israel going too far in Gaza”

.
Imagine Jews had a military during the Holocaust.
Would anyone dare tell them when they should stop.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 1, 2023 9:47 pm

Daily Mail.

Awkward moment a handsome cop is mistaken for the stripper after he arrives to try and shut down a house party

Women started chanting ‘stripper, stripper’ when the cop arrived at the party

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 1, 2023 9:47 pm

Roger
Nov 1, 2023 9:22 PM
According to a news report I saw on my phone earlier but can’t locate now:

Australia’s “Arab community leaders” have warned the ALP it risks losing the Arab vote if it continues to uphold Israel’s right to defend itself.

Said to number c. 300 000, concentrated in certain Sydney seats.

Given the lack of alternatives, presumably they won’t turn out to vote at all.

If they don’t turn out, the Liars are vindictive enough to hit them with fines for not voting Labor. That should get them fired up.

rosie
rosie
November 1, 2023 9:50 pm

Got an al Jazeera article in my time line about the unprovoked killing of an innocent west bank Palestinian by an Israeli while harvesting olives on his own land.

Meanwhile at the Jpost

Hamas’s West Bank branch responded to the shooting on their Telegram channel, hailing Saleh as a martyr who was killed “during the confrontations of the Al-Aqsa Flood battle.”

Palestinian shot dead by settler

Dot
Dot
November 1, 2023 9:50 pm

Any Queenslanders want to explain this away?

https://www.topfoto.co.uk/asset/348805/

Out of Place Animals Photograph of Gayndah Bear taken late February 2000 by Peter Raffels at Gayndah Queensland Australia They have been seen walking on hind legs and were about 3 feet tall they may be descended from American black bears or Malayan sun bears escaped from crashed circus truck 1959.

– – – – – – –

The wide range of exotic and rare feral animals we have here is crazy. Remember the Lion Park at Wallacia couldn’t account for all of their lions.

Chris
Chris
November 1, 2023 9:51 pm

would it be fair to say you’d be happy to call it “even” if they just apologised?

Vengeance is mine, says the Lord; I will repay.

I would be tempted to convert to Islam so there would be no limits on the depravity that people would accept from me when I found them.
And then I wouldn’t.

rosie
rosie
November 1, 2023 9:53 pm

Anyhow Tracey Holmes is on the money, you want high quality even handed coverage of the Gaza war, go to al Jazeera.

Muddy
Muddy
November 1, 2023 9:56 pm

Film footage of the air strike (and secondary explosions) in the so-called ‘refugee camp’ reveal the depth of at least one of the craters to be far deeper than it looks in still photographs. There was clearly a substantial area beneath one or more buildings, the contents of which blew up and outwards.

Do we have any ordnance or explosives experts to explain the simple physics here? (Blast patterns, for example).

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
November 1, 2023 10:23 pm

Avi:

“If these reporters lived in the 1940’s they would have said look at how many Germans are dead…”

Dennis Prager DESTROYS the msm narrative

Muddy
Muddy
November 1, 2023 10:23 pm

I’m taking a break from current affairs and watching an episode of Time Team on YouTube. They’re hoping to find a Roman Temple, and it reminded me of the 82,000 year-old temple complex they found at Dubbo (I think?) about a decade ago. Though I believe there was some disagreement about whether it was a temple, a library, or a bath house?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 1, 2023 10:25 pm

the 82,000 year-old temple complex they found at Dubbo

You misspelled ‘Tartaria’.

JC
JC
November 1, 2023 10:25 pm
Muddy
Muddy
November 1, 2023 10:34 pm

I’m not getting into that man-sweat and lycra dance, Knuckles!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 1, 2023 10:50 pm

“Sliante” to all you mob. I’ve poured myself a Tobermorey, from the bottle presented to me, by my niece, for my birthday.

Bill P
Bill P
November 1, 2023 10:52 pm

ZK2A
Yes, 2013, at 102.
Tempus fugit.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 1, 2023 10:52 pm

Well, Last Stop Larrimah is only just bearable. Stayed in the pub a few times but before ol’ mate Paddy disappeared. Netflix has it.

P
P
November 1, 2023 10:53 pm

Happy Birthday Zulu.

Irene goodnight

The Beer Whisperer
The Beer Whisperer
November 1, 2023 10:56 pm

16 minute vid on the difficulty of tunnel fighting. Clearly bombing them out will save many Israeli lives.

Pumping them full of seawater?

A bloody good idea. Imagine having these arseholes around during WWII with Iwo Jima? They’d have rules of engagement where they could only kill by hand to hand combat, and lose at a ratio of 2:1 because “fairness”. They could shoot them when they come out of the tunnels with their guns. Sounds like fair game to me.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 1, 2023 10:56 pm

Another ton for Q. de Kock. That’s four now. Van der Dussen has a ton too. Great batting line up Seth Efrica.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 1, 2023 11:02 pm

Well, Last Stop Larrimah is only just bearable. Stayed in the pub a few times but before ol’ mate Paddy disappeared

Rumour is that Paddy ended up in the roadhouse pies.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 1, 2023 11:02 pm

it reminded me of the 82,000 year-old temple complex they found at Dubbo (I think?) about a decade ago. Though I believe there was some disagreement about whether it was a temple, a library, or a bath house?

Nearly right.

It was an aqueduct, feeding a bath system, which was heated by a hypocaust. Nearby was a library, which had a printing press next door.

Whitey destroyed all of it. No trace remains.

Professor Bruce Pascoe – described by Geoffrey Blainey recently as “an engaging speaker who by pretending to be Aboriginal tended to convince young people” – can tell us all more about this magnificent civilisation.

The Beer Whisperer
The Beer Whisperer
November 1, 2023 11:03 pm

It makes me wonder whether rub and tug’s exponential increase in migration here has a similar purpose.

He hates Tories, so the only conclusion means that we’re all Tories, even though only Alexander Downer is the only Australian i can think of that could be plausibly called one.

Digger
Digger
November 1, 2023 11:04 pm

Do we have any ordnance or explosives experts to explain the simple physics here? (Blast patterns, for example).

I’m by no means an expert but I know a bit about military explosives. I have not seen the video but I can say a few things based on your description. If the Israelis knew or suspected there was underground facilities and/or munitions or explosives stocks they would have used bunker buster bombs which penetrate the ground for a predetermined time which correlates to depth before detonating. The detonation, in reasonably close proximity to other explosives detonates that as well in what is called sympathetic detonation.

The sympathetic detonation potential is considerably improved because the bunker busters hold nearly 650 pounds (295 kg) of tritonal explosive material. Tritonal is a mixture of TNT (80 percent) and aluminium powder (20 percent). The aluminium improves the brisance of the TNT — the speed (shattering effect) at which the explosive develops its maximum pressure.

From the way the Israelis are demolishing large buildings with a single bomb it is pretty evident they are using a few bunker busters… good thing.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
November 1, 2023 11:07 pm

*Tobermory
You’ve got an Aldi knock-off there, Zulu

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
November 1, 2023 11:09 pm
Indolent
Indolent
November 1, 2023 11:15 pm
Indolent
Indolent
November 1, 2023 11:16 pm
Indolent
Indolent
November 1, 2023 11:17 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 1, 2023 11:21 pm

You’ve got an Aldi knock-off there, Zulu

Nice try. Failed. Re – test in three months.

Muddy
Muddy
November 1, 2023 11:21 pm

Thanks, Digger.

The craters I was asking me can be found here (you might need to scroll down a touch).

I wondered if the seeming absence of debris in the nearest crater was indicative of an explosive force (secondary?) which had blown upwards and out, rather than an air strike from above which I assumed would collapse the building leaving a pile of debris within the crater? Even a bunker buster would have blown out the lower levels but collapsed the upper structure on top, correct?

Muddy
Muddy
November 1, 2023 11:22 pm

asking about
*Sigh*

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
November 1, 2023 11:33 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 1, 2023 11:34 pm

How Brazilians Handle Armed Robbers

Some clown tried to rob a country bank, here, in Australia, several years ago.

He discharged his shotgun into the ceiling and yelled “Freeze everybody, this is a stickup.”

One of the customers turned around “Yeah, and that’s a double barrelled shotgun, and you just let both barrels go.’

Local coppers are said to have taken their time, finishing morning smoke- oh, while the enraged customers beat the would be robber to a pulp..

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
November 1, 2023 11:35 pm

JC, for your consideration:
https://www.cobdencentre.org/2019/09/how-fractional-reserve-banking-contributes-to-increases-in-money-supply/

from an economic point of view, [fractional reserve banking] results in money out of “thin air” which leads to consumption that is not supported by production, i.e., to the dilution of the pool of real wealth.

On the one hand, to have an entitlement to $X is not the same as $X physically sitting in a box.
But onnn the other hannnnd… the amount people spend is proportional to what they think they have in their account to be spent, and the unfunded liabilities (of the loan) increase spending by one party without anyone else foregoing their own spending to the same amount, so in that sense money was created.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
November 1, 2023 11:39 pm

More for JC.

The credit creation theory of banking, predominant a century ago, does not consider banks as financial intermediaries that gather deposits to lend out, but instead argues that each individual bank creates credit and money newly when granting a bank loan.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1057521915001477

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 1, 2023 11:39 pm

Swap out Temba Bavuma for Rilee Roussouw, and that line up is stacked. I am barracking for those mofos.

Muddy
Muddy
November 1, 2023 11:40 pm

Indolent
Nov 1, 2023 11:17 PM

HOW THE HAMAS ATTACK TOOK ISRAEL BY SURPRISE

A reasonable article, though not revealing a great deal (especially nothing about the claim that the intention was to move as far as Tel Aviv!).

There are other elements about the intelligence context that some including the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy have written of, but the author makes a solid point or two.

(The more I read about the complexity of planning, the more ridiculous the notion that h@m@s are no more than oppressed rock-throwers looks).

Dot
Dot
November 1, 2023 11:44 pm

Colonel

M3 is causal to M1.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
November 1, 2023 11:46 pm

OK, that was a pretty lame spell-check i admit.
Did you tell us the titles of yer new history tomes?

JC
JC
November 2, 2023 12:02 am

Okay, so the bank receives Mike’s deposit of $100 and lends out $50. In order for the bank to make money, it also has to lend the other $50 or purchase a bond.

That doesn’t create an increase in the money supply. The bank’s balance sheet is in balance, with a liability (deposit) of $100 and two assets (loans) of $50 broken up.

Say Mike comes in and wants to take back his deposit of $100 to hire a cute owl that night. The bank counts out the 100 and gives it to him. The bank then has either of two alternatives to avoid bankruptcy that evening. It can borrow the $100 from someone else (the inter-bank) overnight market or it can sell the bond and call back the loan. There’s no increase in the money supply.

Remember this basic rule. Credit is not money. It’s credit.

The money supply can only be increased by the central bank either by adding permanent reserves to the system or by buying bonds it’s previously issued (it can buy private paper too). If money leaves the central bank, that’s an addition to the system. If the reverse occurs, there will be a reduction in the money supply.

If a bank lends money, it has to balance its books by borrowing the sum it lent out.

Now this process can be multiplied in fast motion which means there is an increase in velocity (V). Velocity is impacted by the central bank either increasing the money supply (faster V) or the opposite.

MatrixTransform
November 2, 2023 12:06 am

M0 = ?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
November 2, 2023 12:09 am

On the ‘refugee camp’ bombing:

Caveat. My experience is in commercial/mining explosives, so there may well be significant military differences. But:

The image of the neat, symmetrical crater suggests:

• One substantial, but not extraordinary charge (~500kg), popped off just below the bottom of the ~10m deep crater. Ie probably not a deep fired ‘bunker buster’;

• The neatness of the crater says no sympathetic detonation of a nearby buried explosive – no asymmetry or evidence of heave;

• The ground material appears very friable, suggesting most of the blast energy went up and out – dissipating quickly.

The extensive surrounding building damage in the video suggests the area had been previously bombed. The shape, style and extent of the structural damage doesn’t appear consistent with radiating air blast from a single charge that formed the crater.

My take (ignorant as it is) is that the refugee camp story is probably bullshit – unless Hamas is forming up refugees into bombed areas with a target on them.

Alternatively, the IDF is using some very extraordinary, game-changing munitions.

Alternatively, I may be very wrong.

JC
JC
November 2, 2023 12:15 am

The credit creation theory of banking, predominant a century ago, does not consider banks as financial intermediaries that gather deposits to lend out, but instead argues that each individual bank creates credit and money newly when granting a bank loan.

This can’t happen as the money in the system is a defined quantity. If there’s $100 in the entire economy, that’s all there is as banks can only lend out what they can borrow or have in reserve The weakness in the example is the money lent out has to come back to the bank through the way I suggested.

Digger
Digger
November 2, 2023 12:25 am

Thanks Muddy,

My take on the photo of the crater and surrounding vista is the blast was quite large and it has knocked back the buildings. As you can see all the debris and damaged buildings are leaning away from the impact site. Because it is military grade high brisance explosive the debris is thrown a fair distance from the site and the blast wave is very strong. Lower explosives, as used in construction and mining, just lift the rubble and drop it back on itself. Military explosives tend to blow it away. It would be interesting to see the site before the bomb hit. A bunker buster can be set to various depths and this seems to have come from a blast not far below the surface rather than on the surface or deep down so it blew the debris away. The steel skeleton of the building on the right suggests a strong blast has blown the cladding through the building and away from the impact site. Not sure about a secondary explosion but there may have been one from a cache of Hamas weapons.

Muddy
Muddy
November 2, 2023 12:25 am

Dr Faustus
Nov 2, 2023 12:09 AM

Thanks, Doc, very interesting. That was the type of analysis I was seeking.
(I think others have suggested the ‘refugee camp’ tag was historical?).

Digger
Digger
November 2, 2023 12:35 am

Muddy

There are other elements about the intelligence context that some including the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy have written of, but the author makes a solid point or two.

I think an over reliance on technology was their greatest downfall. I can imagine a bunch of screen watchers some distance from the breach sites chasing their tail and calling electricians and electronics people to find out why their vision and other monitors were cut. This would have happened with multiple stations reporting an ‘outage’ and military/civilian ‘managers’ second guessing everything and using even more technology to try and find answers. All the time the butchers were busy butchering…

Muddy
Muddy
November 2, 2023 12:37 am

Excellent. Thanks for that, Digger.
The ‘cleanliness’ of the crater/s had me intrigued.

(This is what I like about The Cat: Where else can you find such a range of conversation topics, and participants with such broad backgrounds?).

Muddy
Muddy
November 2, 2023 12:40 am

Digger, I think we in the west think we are the sharpest of pencils, but ego/hubris/pride blinds us. (Conservatives have the same limitations, but that’s another subject).

Good night. Thanks for responding.

JC
JC
November 2, 2023 12:42 am

The confusion with respect to fractional reserve is that people don’t really know what that means. They think it means a bank can borrow $100 and then lend out multiples of that. That’s wrong. It doesn’t mean that at all. Money looks, feels, and is the same (fungible), but it’s categorized differently. Fractional reserve simply means that a bank can lend out multiples of the amount of capital it holds. Capital is not a deposit. It’s equity, or shareholder funds. So if a bank has $100 in equity and can leverage 10 times, it means that it can take in deposits of $1000 and lend out the same, $1,000. Every dollar of a loan has to be matched by a dollar of deposit. There is no leverage in this. Leverage is only a ratio of capital to loans.

Alamak!
November 2, 2023 1:05 am

Fractional reserve simply means that a bank can lend out multiples of the amount of capital it holds. Capital is not a deposit. It’s equity, or shareholder funds. So if a bank has $100 in equity and can leverage 10 times, it means that it can take in deposits of $1000 and lend out the same, $1,000.

Not quite right. The fractional part applies between deposits and money held in reserve (or at the central bank) and has no direct link to bank capital. Bank capital grows when banks make a profit on lending and falls when they make losses or fail to match deposit costs with interest income.

JC
JC
November 2, 2023 1:14 am

Not quite right.

Actually, it’s 100% right.

The fractional part applies between deposits and money held in reserve (or at the central bank) and has no direct link to bank capital.

Which is the liability side of the balance sheet. What’s your point, because leverage by definition is leverage to equity? This sentence makes zero sense. Reserves are held as further cover for a bank in case it has liquidity issues.

Bank capital grows when banks make a profit on lending and falls when they make losses or fail to match deposit costs with interest income.

Yeah, and so what? If a bank makes money and keeps it 100% with distrinbution it has more money to lend and the reverse is true if it loses money and doesn’t mitigate with an equity raising.

PS. it’s actually doesn’t matter if you want to use either side of the balance to measure leverage because both side must equal. One dollar of deposit has to equal one dollar of loan.

JC
JC
November 2, 2023 1:15 am

should read, with no distribution.

Alamak!
November 2, 2023 1:20 am

because leverage by definition is leverage to equity

No, thats something different to fractional reserve. better if you keep things simple and focus of $$$ deposited and loaned or held in reserve.

Gabor
Gabor
November 2, 2023 2:29 am

JC
Nov 2, 2023 12:42 AM

The confusion with respect to fractional reserve is that people don’t really know what that means. They think it means a bank can borrow $100 and then lend out multiples of that. That’s wrong. It doesn’t mean that at all. Money looks, feels, and is the same (fungible), but it’s categorized differently. Fractional reserve simply means that a bank can lend out multiples of the amount of capital it holds. Capital is not a deposit. It’s equity, or shareholder funds. So if a bank has $100 in equity and can leverage 10 times, it means that it can take in deposits of $1000 and lend out the same, $1,000. Every dollar of a loan has to be matched by a dollar of deposit. There is no leverage in this. Leverage is only a ratio of capital to loans.

Well it certainly bamboozled this little black duck, sorry but I don’t understand any of it.

Just as well I’m a baker not a banker.
Put it simply, do you mean a bank can have a capital of $100 and lend out a $1000?

Basically a bank could not go broke if all borrowers would pay their due, but not all do.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 2, 2023 3:41 am

After boycotting the Qatar world cup, looks like I’ll be doing the same in 2034 if I live that long.
Australia dropping out was news a couple of days ago.
I did not know about the FIFA deadline.

In a move that would seem bizarre if it weren’t so blatently criminal, FIFA, soccer’s global governing body, has restricted bidding for the 2034 World Cup to only countries from Asia and Oceana. It’s also requiring applications — which typically take years to complete — to be handed in by November 30th. For a tournament that’s 11 years away.

That leaves only Saudi Arabia with a hope of submitting a bid by the deadline now that Australia has dropped out.

Tom
Tom
November 2, 2023 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
November 2, 2023 4:01 am

Mark Knight. More here.

Tom
Tom
November 2, 2023 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
November 2, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
November 2, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
November 2, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
November 2, 2023 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
November 2, 2023 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
November 2, 2023 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
November 2, 2023 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
November 2, 2023 4:10 am
feelthebern
feelthebern
November 2, 2023 4:12 am

This is a special kind of evil.

MEMRI
@MEMRIReports

Hamas Official Ghazi Hamad: We Will Repeat the October 7 Attack Time and Again Until Israel Is Annihilated; We Are Victims – Everything We Do Is Justified #Hamas #Gaza #Palestinians

https://x.com/MEMRIReports/status/1719662664090075199?s=20

Share it far & wide.
Especially to spokespeople for the mob that support this.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 2, 2023 4:15 am

Aaron Berg
@aaronbergcomedy

Ceasefire?
You mean “time out” cuz you’re losing after you started the fight with a sucker punch?
Naw.

WolfmanOz
WolfmanOz
November 2, 2023 4:22 am

feelthebern
Nov 2, 2023 3:41 AM
After boycotting the Qatar world cup, looks like I’ll be doing the same in 2034 if I live that long.
Australia dropping out was news a couple of days ago.
I did not know about the FIFA deadline.

In a move that would seem bizarre if it weren’t so blatently criminal, FIFA, soccer’s global governing body, has restricted bidding for the 2034 World Cup to only countries from Asia and Oceana. It’s also requiring applications — which typically take years to complete — to be handed in by November 30th. For a tournament that’s 11 years away.

That leaves only Saudi Arabia with a hope of submitting a bid by the deadline now that Australia has dropped out.

It’s a fix to ensure Saudi Arabia are the hosts.

Johnny Rotten
November 2, 2023 4:23 am

feelthebern
Nov 2, 2023 4:12 AM
This is a special kind of evil.

MEMRI
@MEMRIReports

Hamas Official Ghazi Hamad: We Will Repeat the October 7 Attack Time and Again Until Israel Is Annihilated; We Are Victims – Everything We Do Is Justified #Hamas #Gaza #Palestinians

I don’t think that HamArse will ever get that opportunity again. The IDF is on the march mate.

Johnny Rotten
November 2, 2023 4:24 am

Thanks once again Tom.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 2, 2023 4:49 am

Andrew Bolt:

Anthony Albanese seems distracted and his government divided on the war on Israel and the disgusting Jew-hatred it’s unleashed.

Mobs here scream “gas the Jews” and call for Israel’s destruction, and Jews fear for their safety.

Yet when we need leadership, Albanese’s government speaks with a forked tongue.

Albanese claims he stands with Israel, yet lets some of his most senior ministers pander to the party’s anti-Israel Left and its strong Muslim vote, and encourage radicals who want Israel stopped or even destroyed.

Has his authority in his party been shattered by his humiliating defeat in the referendum on his Voice?

True, Albanese on Wednesday was still saying “Israel has a right to defend itself”, and “Hamas’s terrorist activity horrified the world”.

“Activity”, though, seems a mild way to describe what Hamas, the terrorist group which runs Gaza, did to start this war on October 7, slaughtering 1400 Jews, mutilating parents in front of their children, raping women, beheading captives, burning babies alive and taking 240 hostages.

What’s more, having allowed the bare minimum – Israel’s right to defend itself – Albanese again insisted Israel restrict itself in fighting back: “How it defends itself matters, and we want to see all innocent life protected.”

Of course, no Israeli leader wants to do to Palestinians what Palestinians did to Jews, but Israel cannot defend itself and still protect “all innocent life”.

Albanese’s demand is impossible because Hamas is a death cult.

It doesn’t just want Jews to die, but its own civilians, too, to hurt Israel.

Ismael Haniyah, the Hamas leader, explained that last week: “The blood of the women, children and elderly … we are the ones who need this blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit.”

That’s why Hamas does not build bomb shelters for its civilians or let them hide in the 500km of tunnels it claims it has dug under Gaza.

Senior Hamas official Mousa Abu Marzouk explained that last week, too, saying the tunnels were for Hamas fighters, and the United Nations should protect the civilians.

“Everybody knows that 75 per cent of the people in the Gaza Strip are refugees, and it is the responsibility of the United Nations to protect them,” he said.

That’s all just played out with Israel’s strike on Tuesday on a Hamas command centre cynically hidden inside the Jabalia “refugee camp”.

Israel warned civilians repeatedly to move away from this and other areas filled with Hamas military, but Hamas told them to stay.

And so, yes, civilians died when Israel bombed that Hamas base and killed a senior commander and many fighters.

Reports on the bombing said it opened “huge sinkholes, with residents … saying that the ground began to collapse”.

That was Hamas tunnels collapsing.

But Albanese and his ministers fall too easily for this Hamas tactic of fighting from behind crowds of civilians, and lying and exaggerating when Israel fights back.

When Hamas lied that Israel had bombed a Gaza hospital, Albanese was conned into declaring: “We condemn any indiscriminate attacks and targeting of civilian infrastructure, including hospitals.”

In fact, all available evidence shows a misfiring Palestinian rocket caused the explosion, not in the hospital but a car park outside. Albanese never corrected that record.

But if he’s weak on Israel, some of his ministers are plain hostile.

Two, Ed Husic and Anne Aly, accused Israel of a war crime – collective punishment of Palestinians.

Another, Tony Burke, representing a Sydney seat that’s 25 per cent Muslim, backed the Canterbury-Bankstown Council flying the Palestinian flag while this war lasts.

This was just to mourn dead Palestinian civilians, insisted Burke: “It is not a Hamas flag.”

In fact, it’s still a kind of battle flag, adopted initially by another terrorist army – the Palestinian Liberation Organisation.

Flying it is less about grieving than fighting.

Foreign Minister Penny Wong is also cutting across Albanese’s professions of support for Israel.

She’s given $25m to help Palestinians in this war their own government started, and without demanding Hamas release the hostages first.

On October 18, she posted a tweet of herself posing with a Palestinian activist who’s called for the destruction of Israel “from the river to the sea”, saying she was sympathising over “the devastating explosion at the Gaza City Hospital”.

Since then, Wong has tweeted not one direct criticism of Hamas or the Hezbollah terrorists firing rockets at Israel from Lebanon, but has criticised Israeli “settler violence against Palestinians”.

Whose side in this war against Israel and western civilisation is this government on? Can anyone tell?

Pretty easy to tell Mr Bolt. It ain’t Israel and as you say, western civilisation.
Has any journalist ever asked Albo about his addressing a pro Palestinian rally?
Has anyone asked if Wong has sent her counterpart in Jerusalem any words of condolence or assistance? But $25 million which no doubt will be used for weaponry?
Staggering to think we are governed by such filth. Yet here we are.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
November 2, 2023 4:58 am

Zatara
Nov 1, 2023 4:35 PM

Zatara thank you that is the one, and a keeper with which to inform the uninformed — sorry just saw your helpful comment had a very early night due to very early mornings. Cheers much appreciated.

miltonf
miltonf
November 2, 2023 5:01 am

Too right BB but at least they’re exposing themselves as the filth that they really are. Wong (aka Ms Hardcastle) following the standard Marxist line- “settler violence against Palestinians.” Interesting that being a “settler” is a bad thing now.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 2, 2023 5:07 am

Tunnels need air. Portions of them can be sealed off once a reccy on air vents is done. Then various options are open to Israel. Flood with water or poison the air, which would kill anyone there; not a good option if hostages are there, brutal anyway. But didn’t the Russians during an Islamist attack on a theatre use drugs that can knock people out temporarily? This would surely be a solution of sorts to try to save hostages. Go in wearing respirators and drag out hostages first. Those above ground essentially control the air, electricity and water supply. Hamas can only have a certain number of hours of respirators available to maintain a tunnel presence.

My money is on the IDF having a plan for all of this.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 2, 2023 5:14 am

“We condemn any indiscriminate attacks and targeting of civilian infrastructure, including hospitals.”

Civilian infrastructure, especially mosques, hospitals and schools, is simply the cover for the openings of the tunnel network, as shown on the 16 min vid including maps put up a few scrolls back on this OT.

Someone should show Albo the map and tell him to spruik the removal of all civilians out of tunnel areas, as warned by Israel, but ignored, in a WAR CRIME, by Hamas.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 2, 2023 5:21 am

Jetlag, even after a week, is still giving me late nites (hate to miss Sky’s Late Debate) and 4.30am mornings, awake like clockwork on the dot. Will have to video The Late Debate and get to bed earlier, watch it the next day.

Under present routine, I have to catch up on some sleep during the day.
Irritating when I have lots of other things to do too, involving endless govt paperwork.

Cheers, Tinta. Great to see you at Jupes’ dinner on Sunday.

calli
calli
November 2, 2023 6:24 am

But Albanese and his ministers fall too easily for this Hamas tactic of fighting from behind crowds of civilians, and lying and exaggerating when Israel fights back.

Because these are their own tactics in the theatre of politics. Wong demonstrates it in her own comments and actions.

calli
calli
November 2, 2023 6:42 am

I suppose it had to happen. The creatures who masterminded and partook in the murderous, perverted rampage against innocent families and individuals on Oct 7 have given their deeds a rousing name – The Al-Aqsa Flood.

Nothing near as anodyne as The Final Solution, it places the disgusting event fair and square, if only figuratively, at the Temple Mount. No need to wonder what they desire for the rest of Israel, beginning in the heart of Jerusalem.

Cassie of Sydney
November 2, 2023 6:45 am

“Cheers, Tinta. Great to see you at Jupes’ dinner on Sunday.”

It was great seeing you all at Jupes’ place.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 2, 2023 7:03 am

The second video on this tweet shows the cascading effects of ammunition exploding & the force it comes up via the air ducts.

https://x.com/jengelmayer/status/1719733695894991171?s=20

Cassie of Sydney
November 2, 2023 7:22 am

“Has any journalist ever asked Albo about his addressing a pro Palestinian rally?”

A very good question. Of course not. Now just imagine, for one brief shining moment, if a media outlet found archival footage of Dutton, or Morrison, or Abbott, or any other Liberal or National addressing a far-right rally? Ya reckon a media outlet would have filed such footage in a box and stored in an attic somewhere? Ya reckon their ABC would not have gone berserk over it? Here’s my hunch, such footage would be making headlines for weeks, for months, until the Liberal or National in question had been forced to resign in humiliation. We all know this to be true, the never ending hypocrisy and double standards. Sleazy and his comrades, in both Labor and the Greens, are NEVER ever held to account for their ideological misdemeanours and associations. NEVER. There’s a picture of Sleazy taken with Corbyn, only a few years ago, when Corbyn was leader of UK Labour. Sleazy is pictured smiling with his Jew hating buddy. But Sleazy has never been asked any questions about this ‘association’. Not once, not ever. He’s never been asked if he distances himself from Comrade Corbyn’s Jew hatred, and now we know, Sleazy is no different to his great mate, Comrade Corbyn.

A few months ago Sleazy attended a Ramadan Ding Dong dinner where in attendance was a “mullah’ from south-west Sydney, the same mullah who, on Sunday night, 8 October, when the corpses of Jewish men, women and children were still warm, stood smiling on a Sydney Street and proclaimed how he was ‘elated’ by the the murders of Jews in Southern Israel. I ask, why isn’t Sleazy being held to account for attending such a dinner where such a dubious person was also in attendance? Where is the accountability? We know the media would be going to town if this was Dutton, or Morrison, or Abbott or even Turnbull. It is just another example of double standards and hypocrisy.

Here’s the truth, Sleazy has long been an Israel hater and as far as I’m concerned, a Jew hater. They’re two sides of the same coin. I’ve long thought so and the pogrom of 7 October 2023 has proved this. It’s flushed out Jew hatred for the whole world to see. It is why he and his utterly evil foreign minister, Senator Strap-on Wonk, are paralysed by what happened on 7 October 2023. Their sympathies are not with Israel or the Jewish people, they loathe us. They don’t care that over 1400 Jews are dead, and 230 Jews remain in Gaza, held hostage against their will, and the media doesn’t care either. I watched again the footage of Sleazy entering the St Kilda Shul a few weeks ago, it was like he had to be dragged there, I’ve never seen a person more uncomfortable in a synagogue.

Anthony Albanese is a disgrace.

But anyway, they get away with this Jew hatred because they have the benefit of a lazy, partisan far-left media that also loathes Jews and Israel, and they get away with it because of cowardice and ineptness from the right in this country. After the January 6 Capital Hill ‘riot’ in 2021, I remember reading how various Labor and Green scum were sending around a picture of Morrison with Trump, trying to smear Morrison by “association”. So, I rang Liberal HQ here in Sydney and I asked why the Liberals weren’t doing the same and sending around a picture of Anthony Albanese pictured, smiling, with his good mate, an anti-Semite by the name of Jeremy Corbyn. There was silence and a little cough and the person said that they’ll ‘pass it on’. Of course the Liberals did nothing, they just stood there like sitting ducks.

Until the right get down and get dirty….and I mean dirty, nothing will change.

shatterzzz
November 2, 2023 7:27 am

Leakes cartoon .. what’s a VAD patient? ..

Rafiki
Rafiki
November 2, 2023 7:28 am

VAD .. Voluntary Assisted Death .. I think.

Cassie of Sydney
November 2, 2023 7:29 am

And today the media is focussed on the 20 or so ‘Australians’ (yeah…cough) who are being allowed to leave Gaza.

When will the kidnapped 230 Israelis be allowed to leave Gaza?

JC
JC
November 2, 2023 7:31 am

Alamak

Australian banks don’t have reserve requirements with the RBA. In other words they don’t have to send reserves to the CB. Does that mean Australian banks don’t practice fractional lending? Of course it doesn’t. You’ve been really annoying of late. Stop.

Gabor

Yes and yes.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 2, 2023 7:32 am

Anthony Albanese is a disgrace.

If you’ve lost Laurie Oakes…

‘Incompetent dill’: Laurie Oakes slams Albanese over Voice failure (Sky mainpage headline, 1 Nov)

The Canberra Press Gallery veteran told Deborah Knight on 2GB Afternoons the Mr Albanese has been made to look like an “incompetent dill” after his handling of the referendum.

“I think it was pretty damaging, I think he handled it incompetently and I assumed the voters noticed that there wasn’t much competence involved,” Mr Oakes said.

Ok not about Gaza and Hamas, but it was nice to see an Oakes zinger applied to Albo like that.

shatterzzz
November 2, 2023 7:35 am

If you’ve lost Laurie Oakes…

Quite a surprise! .. I thought Oakes was “brown bread” ………

Vicki
Vicki
November 2, 2023 7:36 am

Sorry to have missed gathering at Jupes’. Both of us caught “ the lurgy” around the time of the Referendum & have been pretty crook. Must be getting old – despite very healthy lifestyle & daily vitamin supplements. Discussed with a switched on doctor – & she agreed that the lockdown prevented the normal immunity built up through circulating infections. She especially thought the lockdown of kids was significant.

Cassie of Sydney
November 2, 2023 7:36 am

I think Lozza Fox says it best……he uploaded this overnight.

Crime and Punishment by Laurence Fox

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm_AzX9kU68

Please watch.

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 2, 2023 7:37 am
The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
November 2, 2023 7:44 am

Sky News reports Musk’s warning about AI. But they don’t seem interested in his warning about and summary of George Soros!

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 2, 2023 7:48 am

I can now hear Anthony Luigi the Unbelievable Albanese at the next election if he lasts that long, ” Your not Muzzie if you don’t vote Labor Liars”. Channelling that other POS The Chief Thief.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 2, 2023 7:49 am

Who else are they going to vote for?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 2, 2023 7:49 am

Cassie of Sydney

Nov 2, 2023 6:45 AM

“Cheers, Tinta. Great to see you at Jupes’ dinner on Sunday.”

It was great seeing you all at Jupes’ place.

It was tops.
Although, I must say, I think the cheesecake was Sara Lee.

Gilas
Gilas
November 2, 2023 7:53 am

Just saw this..

Cassie of Sydney
Nov 1, 2023 4:01 PM

I am sure of, even in the midst of a fog, and that is Shani Louk would still be alive had it not been for homicidal barbarians invading Israel on 7 October 2023, raping, slaughtering, murdering, decapitating and so on.

100%, completely agree with you.

The point I was making was about the form and content of this “news” item, where we are given totally implausible, almost certainly false information.
All designed to create an uncritical, emotional response from the reader, regardless of the facts of this already hideous event.
Exactly what the most evil Goebblesian propaganda was designed to achieve (there’s a great YT video of Jordan Peterson lecturing his students on this).

It would be nice to believe that only one side of this war descended to using such deceptions.

The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
November 2, 2023 7:56 am

Sky continues with its Roast An Israeli approach, basically taking the same line as the UN.

Dot
Dot
November 2, 2023 7:59 am

It’s a fix to ensure Saudi Arabia are the hosts.

Francine’s opinion on Saudi Arabian tourism.

Dot
Dot
November 2, 2023 8:01 am

Laurie Oakes is a farquen cane toad.

Dot
Dot
November 2, 2023 8:05 am

M3 is causal to M1.

Why statements of fact like this get downvoted (the post had no other content) is beyond me.

I can dig up the reference this week. I know what book it is in but I can’t remember who they referenced.

Econometric Models, Techniques, and Applications

Bodkin, Ronald G., Hsiao, Cheng, Intriligator, Michael D., 1995, Pearson.

ISBN 10: 0132247755 / ISBN 13: 9780132247757

Vicki
Vicki
November 2, 2023 8:06 am

But didn’t the Russians during an Islamist attack on a theatre use drugs that can knock people out temporarily? This would surely be a solution of sorts to try to save hostages. Go in wearing respirators and drag out hostages first

No doubt Hamas is anticipating some such strategy Lizzie – but like you, I believe that the IDF will have countermeasures.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 2, 2023 8:07 am

Ironic that garbage truck with “Net Zero” on the side catches fire and blocks the M5 this morning.

Tom
Tom
November 2, 2023 8:07 am

Now just imagine, for one brief shining moment, if a media outlet found archival footage of Dutton, or Morrison, or Abbott, or any other Liberal or National addressing a far-right rally? Ya reckon a media outlet would have filed such footage in a box and stored in an attic somewhere?

I believe it was Sharri Markson’s 5pm weeknights show on Sky News that did what the rest of the Australian media refused to do and aired archival footage of Elbow addressing a rally of radical Arabs in Sydney.

In other words, 99.9% of the media censored the news to aid the Labor government, which — as Hamas launches its deadliest attack on Jews sincee the holocaust — is revealing itself as a hotbed of anti-semitic radicals.

To put it bluntly, 99% of the Australian media is campaigning for the genocide of Jews and the destruction of their homeland.

Harsh but fair.

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 2, 2023 8:08 am

I thought every month was Islamophobia Awareness Month.

Labour is committed to working closely with all communities to ensure they have the security they need to feel safe.

They don’t really mean all communities.
Just the one community Blair and Brown created to radically change the country and “rub the Right’s nose in diversity”.

Gilas
Gilas
November 2, 2023 8:11 am

rosie
Nov 1, 2023 4:02 PM

Perhaps Israel had her DNA available from previous health tests,
perhaps they requested DNA samples from close relatives…

Maybe the hamas rapists smashed her across the head to stop her struggling…

All plausible perhapses.. as are any number of other, unstated “explanations” which could, and should, have been explicitly stated upfront.

Without the background information that even a child might seek, to make sense of it, the default position (not necessarily the correct position) is that the story, as stated, is BS.

Cassie of Sydney
November 2, 2023 8:12 am

I would urge everyone to watch and subscribe to this guy’s Youtube channel, he’s an Israeli whose channel is called….travelingisrael.com

It’s really good….

The Hostility of the Left and the Arab World Toward Israel (and Why You Should Care)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDYFroPMEqg

Cassie of Sydney
November 2, 2023 8:13 am

To put it bluntly, 99% of the Australian media is campaigning for the genocide of Jews and the destruction of their homeland.

Yep.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 2, 2023 8:13 am

miltonf
Nov 2, 2023 5:01 AM
Too right BB but at least they’re exposing themselves as the filth that they really are. Wong (aka Ms Hardcastle) following the standard Marxist line- “settler violence against Palestinians.” Interesting that being a “settler” is a bad thing now.

Didn’t Benny’s parents move from Malaysia to “settle” in Australia? Doesn’t that make her a “settler”?

shatterzzz
November 2, 2023 8:17 am

Gary Varvel meme …..
https://ibb.co/3CpbqBt

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 2, 2023 8:19 am

How Black Was My Valley.

If the Welsh want to be black all they have to is to pass a law saying so.

Welsh Government Looks to Redefine Women to Include Transgender Biological Males (31 Oct)

The leftist local government in Wales is preparing to legally recognise biological male transgender people as “women” according to leaked draft legislation intended to increase female representation in politics.

A draft of the upcoming Gender Quotas Bill set to be introduced by the leftist Welsh Labour Party government in Cardiff seeks to mandate that half of any list of potential parliamentary candidates presented to the party membership must be women.

However, according to The Telegraph, the legislation said that “transgender women” — biological males who profess to reject the sex they were born as — will be included in the quota for female candidate lists.

You can see where this is going. After a few years the Welsh Parliament will contain only men: half of which wear skirts and say they’re women.

calli
calli
November 2, 2023 8:20 am

Gilas, the last report about Shani Louk was that her body had not been recovered, only evidence of her death and its location mapped.

From what I can surmise, her body remains in Gaza where it was taken for public display and desecration by the mob.

Cassie of Sydney
November 2, 2023 8:25 am

The Prayer of IDF Soldiers Moments Before Battle in Gaza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiZtOvsAnAg

It has brought tears to my eyes. There’s is zero moral equivalence between Israel and the scum who rule Gaza. Zero. And anyone who says there is, like that putrid dyke of a foreign minister, is a Jew hater, and wishes to see the annihilation of the Jewish people.

Never again.

Cassie of Sydney
November 2, 2023 8:28 am

I am a proud Islamophobe.

rosie
rosie
November 2, 2023 8:36 am

No the story as clearly evident is thar she was murdered in situ, her leg was badly broken (you can ponder why) and she was killed in a manner that left a skull splinter behind (is that the alleged one falsehood by the Israelis in the litany of barbaric murders performed by hamas for their adoring audiences?)
Her body clad only in underpants and a pulled up bra was then thrown on the back of a ute and pararaded around the streets of gaza.
Irrefutably she was murdered, most likely she waa raped, dead or alive, and then her body taken as a grotesque trophy.

Why is the precise method of her death, shot, bludgeoned, head partially removed so important and why does there need to be some sort of propaganda conspiracy around it?
Why dont you watch the video and give us your expert opinion.
Perhaps you could alsi take a squiz at some of the other video still apparently available on Telegram

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 2, 2023 8:36 am

I think an over reliance on technology was their greatest downfall. I can imagine a bunch of screen watchers some distance from the breach sites chasing their tail and calling electricians and electronics people to find out why their vision and other monitors were cut.

Except that

1) former Israeli border guards have stated that the *standard* response to even a single (let alone multiple) comms failure was to mobilise the QRF, not to call tech support
2) the people under attack were making ‘000’ calls from the time it started

I still think something smells very bad about this, with the bulk of the security forces stood down on the anniversary of Yom Kippur and the astonishingly slow response. I still think it all adds up to Israel knowing this was coming and allowing it to happen for domestic political purposes – and you can bet the US Military Industrial Complex is loving all the smart weapons being demonstrated and used up.

Crossie
Crossie
November 2, 2023 8:38 am

shatterzzz
Nov 2, 2023 7:27 AM
Leakes cartoon .. what’s a VAD patient? ..

Legalised murder victim.

calli
calli
November 2, 2023 8:40 am

Nothing “phobic” about my attitude to Islam. More “kataphroneo” – active disgust, and nothing irrational about it.

Dot
Dot
November 2, 2023 8:41 am

For all of the fanatical moonbattery against fractional reserve (i.e., normal banking) no one has explained how 100% reserve requirement banking would work.

It’s not as if such a bank can’t experience a bank run. What if mortgage holders default and interest can’t get paid, so depositors demand deposits back? Someone still takes a haircut and only in the very best of business conditions does the bank not fold.

Now what if there is 100% reserve requirements and OBS like RBMS?

The banks still have (real) depreciation, wages, on costs, utilities and so on so if there is a shortfall on the margin you still end up giving someone a haircut.

Some of the arguments revolve around demurrage.

Why would I want the bank to deprecate my funds as a trade off for having a much higher interest rate? I can keep crypto and international currencies in Coin Jar for free and I can keep real physical gold and silver myself.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 2, 2023 8:41 am

Shani Louk had reached adulthood. It is unsurprising that she has become a symbol of sorts as she was also photogenic.

To my mind, this fascination with Ms Louk has come at the expense of the infants tied together and burned alive, or decapitated, or cooked in ovens – and the evidence of that absolutely cannot be disputed.

calli
calli
November 2, 2023 8:41 am

Value Added Death

What happens when jobsworths hold the levers of “health”.

Crossie
Crossie
November 2, 2023 8:42 am

Didn’t Benny’s parents move from Malaysia to “settle” in Australia? Doesn’t that make her a “settler”?

Tsk, tsk, “settlers” are only the white Europeans, every other newcomer is an adopted native.

bespoke
bespoke
November 2, 2023 8:44 am

To my mind, this fascination with Ms Louk has come at the expense of the infants tied together and burned alive, or decapitated, or cooked in ovens – and the evidence of that absolutely cannot be disputed.

Indeed.

Crossie
Crossie
November 2, 2023 8:45 am

calli
Nov 2, 2023 8:41 AM
Value Added Death

What happens when jobsworths hold the levers of “health”.

Calli, you are right. Bureaucrats can’t afford any funds to treat sick people, they need that money for their pay rises and super contributions. A death injection is quick and cheap.

calli
calli
November 2, 2023 8:46 am

Knuckles, I think the focus is on her because it’s amongst the first footage out. Also because in comparison to the other stuff it’s slightly more bearable.

When I saw the map of the multiple massacre sites, my mind closed down and winged back to that grass-grown hillside in Montana with its little markers. It’s how the over-imaginative deal with such things. Some things are too hideous to process in a single leap.

Aaron
Aaron
November 2, 2023 8:48 am

Tin foil hat to page 4.

calli
calli
November 2, 2023 8:50 am

You have to be more specific, Aaron.

Aluminium foil is solid electricity and quite valuable. Let’s not waste any.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 2, 2023 8:50 am

I still think it all adds up to Israel knowing this was coming and allowing it to happen for domestic political purposes

duk, put the crack pipe down.

Aaron
Aaron
November 2, 2023 8:51 am

“I still think it all adds up to Israel knowing this was coming and allowing it to happen for domestic political purposes”.

Yeah right…

Dot
Dot
November 2, 2023 8:53 am

Let’s think about this. The old CAR rules went down to 8% and in practice banks went down to 13%.

How are interest rates going to change if the loanable funds (excluding private debentures and bonds such as RBMS) declines by around 86%?

Banks make between 24 – 30% ROE, what if they struggled to make 3.9% to 4.0% ROE? Take CBA in recent years for example. Their current dividend yield is 4.5%. Their prior net interest margin was 1.9%. Their retained profit/reinvestment rate was 20 – 32%.

People really haven’t thought this 100% reserve requirement through to the end.

I also posit it would be impossible without tracking individual bills or tokens loaned out or using physical gold and silver as money with no bank notes.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 2, 2023 8:55 am

My money is on the IDF having a plan for all of this.

no doubt they do, but:

1) Bear in mind Moltke’s aphorism: ‘no battle plan survives contact with the enemy’
2) Its not all about the tunnels, we have already seen that Gaza is densely built up (which makes it excellent defensive terrain to start with), *and* a significant number of hi rise buildings have already been reduced to rubble. Stalingrad and Monte Cassino both showed that destroying a city makes it even harder to assault.
3) Given the asymmetric nature of the conflict here, there are different victory conditions for the 2 sides: the stronger side (Israel) ‘loses by not winning’ , the weaker side (Hamas) ‘wins by not losing’. Unless the Israelis have the military, financial, diplomatic and political power to eliminate Hamas *permanently* from Gaza, (and I fear they do not) they *cannot* win this fight, however much damage to infrastructure they are capable of causing.

The Vietnam war was a great example of this – after the war, the top US (Westmoreland) and North Vietnamese (Giap) commanders reportedly met. Westmoreland told Giap ‘you never beat us on the battle field, not once..’ to which Giap apparently replied, screwing up his face, ‘true…. but irrelevant’.

And a final thing to understand about ‘asymmetric’ or ‘guerrilla’ warfare – these usually take place between a lesser power fighting in their homeland, and a stronger power who has invaded it. The aim of the guerrillas is simply to make the cost of occupying them too high, such that the invading power *goes home*. In the case of Israel, they are already ‘home’ – they have nowhere to go back to. This means that they cannot stop fighting and withdraw. This conundrum means there will never be a solution to this conflict by guerrilla warfare.

calli
calli
November 2, 2023 8:55 am

Oh. I see. Tragic that the reasoning went there and not to the obvious, crystal clear point. This is what marginalisation does. Not always, but sometimes.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 2, 2023 8:56 am

rosie
Nov 2, 2023 8:36 AM
No the story as clearly evident is thar she was murdered in situ, her leg was badly broken (you can ponder why) and she was killed in a manner that left a skull splinter behind (is that the alleged one falsehood by the Israelis in the litany of barbaric murders performed by hamas for their adoring audiences?)
Her body clad only in underpants and a pulled up bra was then thrown on the back of a ute and pararaded around the streets of gaza.
Irrefutably she was murdered, most likely she waa raped, dead or alive, and then her body taken as a grotesque trophy.

Two points for Gilas.

First, look at the video of the botched attempt to behead the Thai worker with a blunt hoe. It is easy to believe that a similar attempt on the lass left a part of her skull behind, to be recovered and compared to DNA from relatives. (Her family is in Germany, getting DNA from them within a couple of weeks should not have been difficult.)

Second, another photo, probably taken later, had her underpants, and probably her bra, removed. When that occurred cannot be known, but it was almost certainly part of the barbaric desecration of her body.

There was sufficient barbarity in her treatment, dead and alive, to make quibbles about the details irrelevant.

Dot
Dot
November 2, 2023 8:58 am

100% reserve requirement nutters should look into Islamic banking. It isn’t some sort of honest John Birch paradise. There’s layers of complexity to get the same job done as in the west but with hat tips to ideas like all loans are usury.

As it has been proven that M3 is causal to M1 I doubt even if 100% reserve banking is practically possible in the medium to long run.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 2, 2023 8:59 am

Considering the scrutiny Israel comes under for absolutely everything, over the next 6 months I would expect to see where the real failings came from on the intelligence & military sides of this.

I would be very wary of having any concrete views at this stage.

Dot
Dot
November 2, 2023 9:00 am

And a final thing to understand about ‘asymmetric’ or ‘guerrilla’ warfare – these usually take place between a lesser power fighting in their homeland, and a stronger power who has invaded it. The aim of the guerrillas is simply to make the cost of occupying them too high, such that the invading power *goes home*. In the case of Israel, they are already ‘home’ – they have nowhere to go back to. This means that they cannot stop fighting and withdraw. This conundrum means there will never be a solution to this conflict by guerrilla warfare.

The solution is to be open to peace and comity but to annex and end forever as a nation state those who persist in molesting Israel. Dynamic disincentives matter.

Indolent
Indolent
November 2, 2023 9:00 am

The Psychological Playbook: Brainwashing Techniques to Increase “Vaccine” Uptake

And quite possibly this is just one more outcome.

Dancing With The Stars winner’s cause of death revealed after shock incident aged 42

They’re assuming it’s a stroke but are skipping an autopsy. I wonder why,

Indolent
Indolent
November 2, 2023 9:02 am
Cassie of Sydney
November 2, 2023 9:03 am

I still think it all adds up to Israel knowing this was coming and allowing it to happen for domestic political purposes”

Absolutely offensive codswallop.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 2, 2023 9:04 am

duk, put the crack pipe down.

You do know I have my own page in ‘Cookerpedia’ don’t you?

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 2, 2023 9:05 am

Current maps of the IDF into Gaza show while they have bombed the shit out of the north & moving forward at a deliberate snails pace, they appear to have cut Gaza in half already just above the “refugee line” where they’ve been telling Gazans to get to for the last couple of weeks.

You don’t have to take a city block by block.
It aint Stalingrad.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 2, 2023 9:09 am

I am very wary of the Tablet Mag’s reporting that the US thought there might be minor skirmishes coming (even though it was reported by a top notch journo).
To me, it sounds like the soft truth (like someone just getting back from their bucks in Thailand).

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 2, 2023 9:10 am

Rumour is that Paddy ended up in the roadhouse pies.

Check it out KD, and give me your theory. I reckon it might match mine. (The pie theory gets a mention but…)

alwaysright
alwaysright
November 2, 2023 9:11 am

disincentives matter

The Romans taught us this.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 2, 2023 9:13 am

Mike
@Doranimated

The Israelis advanced further towards the coast today.
They are reportedly less than 800 metres away from cutting Gaza in two.

https://x.com/Doranimated/status/1719830471251726566?s=20

This chap is pro West Turk based in DC.

Megan
Megan
November 2, 2023 9:14 am

The creatures who masterminded and partook in the murderous, perverted rampage against innocent families and individuals on Oct 7 have given their deeds a rousing name – The Al-Aqsa Flood

This degrading perversion should justify the total demolition of the mosque it is named after.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 2, 2023 9:16 am

GreyRanga
Nov 1, 2023 6:09 PM

OldOzzie is the pepsi max to disguise the bundy or the other way round?

GreyRanga,

Thought Provoking Question – Actually you are right, I have never drunk Bundy Rum neat – Single Malt Whiskey Yes – I was originally a Coke Drinker and Pepsi Max is the closest I have come to a Coke Taste, besides the Sugar Free.

During 35 trips to Boston over 3 years in late 70s for Software Development, I aquired a taste for Cuban Rum & Coke, and on 4WD Trips in OZ, adapted to Pepsi Max & Bundy Rum – as unusual Australian – Non Beer Drinker – Pepsi Max & Bundy became the staple 1st Drink after finishing setting up camp for the night, and sitting around the Camp Fire – Cask Wine & and well stored bottles of Fine Red were also imbibed.

Pepsi Max & Bundy Rum, now my F1 drink of choice watching Reruns of F1 Races on Foxtel

Vicki
Vicki
November 2, 2023 9:18 am

Some things are too hideous to process in a single leap.

For me, the events of 7/10 have perhaps caused more anguish that 9/11 almost certainly because of the horrendous individual assaults. Perhaps it would have been better not have seen many of the videos and photographic records. But being the person I am who “must know”, there it is. Many people that I know have merely read the headlines & have come to often naive conclusions. They are people who “don’t want to go there”.

The changing world, with the movement of peoples to foreign lands and cultures, sadly promises a response to these atrocities based on cultural and religious affiliations, rather than humanity and analysis.

The post war era of affluence and complacency in the western world is gone.

132andBush
132andBush
November 2, 2023 9:21 am

I still think something smells very bad about this, with the bulk of the security forces stood down on the anniversary of Yom Kippur and the astonishingly slow response. I still think it all adds up to Israel knowing this was coming and allowing it to happen for domestic political purposes – and you can bet the US Military Industrial Complex is loving all the smart weapons being demonstrated and used up.

That’s retarded.
I’m guessing you think the twin towers were a demolition job as well?

The biggest problem here is Jewish observance of the religious holiday, all very well and good and necessary for people of faith but they have been caught napping twice now at the same time of year.
If those military bases were fully manned this would not have happened, or at least not to this extent.

Aaron
Aaron
November 2, 2023 9:23 am

Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Charlie Hebdo massacre.

Batacalan.

Various drive by and lone wolf murders.

Leads to this in France.

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 2, 2023 9:25 am

Absolutely offensive codswallop.

1) crying ‘offensive’ is not an argument
2) to quote Ben Shapiro ‘Facts don’t care about your feelings’
3) ‘codswallop’, whilst a concise argument, lacks sufficient detail to refute my thesis

Given you think I am wrong, how about you help me understand just 2 things:

– why was the bulk of the Israeli security apparatus ‘stood down’ on such a momentous anniversary date as Yom Kippur?
– why was the QRF not despatched when the first surveillance failure occurred – let alone dozens?

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 2, 2023 9:26 am

I would be very wary of having any concrete views at this stage.

Bern there is only one concrete view. It is the destruction of Hamas. By any means.

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 2, 2023 9:26 am

SloJo and Kameltoe are worried people are being judged by their actions.

Roger
Roger
November 2, 2023 9:26 am

The Australian citizens and permanent residents being evacuated from Gaza via the Rafah crossing are bringing family members with them and it seems possible – from what Penny Wong does and doesn’t say – those Gazans will be resettled in Australia.

I hope they’ll be grateful.

Meanwhile, the IDF is engaged in gun battles with Hamas in northern Gaza and trying to create a corridor for civilians to escape south, which Hamas is attempting to thwart.

The ABC continues to report Hamas’s civilian casualty figures as fact.

alwaysright
alwaysright
November 2, 2023 9:27 am

Perhaps it would have been better not have seen many of the videos and photographic records.

After hearing and reading the trusted words of those who had seen, I decided that I did not want to see.

Somethings cannot be unheard, somethings cannot be unseen.

mem
mem
November 2, 2023 9:29 am

I glanced a headline this morning that the idiot Chalmers has been out and about calling for a heavier hand by government on industry to achieve net zero (whatever that means) in Australia. Has anyone come across the article? It was either in Oz or Fin Review.

Tom
Tom
November 2, 2023 9:30 am

The aim of the guerrillas is simply to make the cost of occupying them too high, such that the invading power *goes home*. In the case of Israel, they are already ‘home’ – they have nowhere to go back to. This means that they cannot stop fighting and withdraw. This conundrum means there will never be a solution to this conflict by guerrilla warfare.

Correct. Dr Duk.

Which means we’ll just have wait for the day the Arabs hate their children less than they hate the Jews.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 2, 2023 9:31 am

Muddy
Nov 1, 2023 8:17 PM

hzhousewife
Nov 1, 2023 8:08 PM

During that time period, it might be empathetic to provide them with a therapy pet.

I hear green ants are soothing and affectionate.

Muddy,

still my favourite recollection, 4wd Driving in Victoria High Country, sheltering in Licola Victoria during 2008 bushfires unable to leave due Bushfires all around and having come througha ferocius bushfire to get there – sitting with some Foresters, also in the Campgound who really hated Greenies,

A couple of months previously, they had some Greenies chain themselves to trees – one of the Forestry workers got a Volvo Front End Loader drove out and dug up a Big Bulls Ant’s nest, then drove back and dumped it next to the chained Greenies – soon cries of pain with the Greenies accusing the Foresters of assault – the Forester who dropped the Bull Ants Nest next them said – “You are Communing with Nature”

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 2, 2023 9:31 am

Has anyone asked if Wong has sent her counterpart

That’s Mr Wong, or the Wong chap.

Please!

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 2, 2023 9:31 am

On a different note, I see the mushroom lunch lady has been arrested.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 2, 2023 9:32 am

I apologise for my lax terminology Top Ender 🙂

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 2, 2023 9:35 am

Mem
The Five Year Plan – The Great Leap Forward.
This thinking still pulsates in the minds of the comrades of the Labor Canberra Soviet.

bespoke
bespoke
November 2, 2023 9:36 am

flyingduk

Perhaps leave the speculation untill later when emotions aren’t so high and facts become clear.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 2, 2023 9:37 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Nov 1, 2023 9:20 PM

16 minute vid on the difficulty of tunnel fighting. Clearly bombing them out will save many Israeli lives.

Pumping them full of seawater?

Zulu,

would maybe drown a few Hamas, but if there is a ceasefire, the infrastructure is still in place and Hamas would just pump it out

Barnes Wallis Tallboy aka Grand Slam could be a good solution

Roger
Roger
November 2, 2023 9:38 am

I glanced a headline this morning that the idiot Chalmers has been out and about calling for a heavier hand by government on industry to achieve net zero (whatever that means) in Australia. Has anyone come across the article?

Big speech today, mem.

Expect more centralised powers & planning and punitive measures for the recalcitrant.

Large companies will have to audit the carbon emissions of their workers’ travel, for example. Once up and running the regime will be applied to smaller businesses.

Say, do you think big business has woken up to the fact that Labor is not their friend?

Aaron
Aaron
November 2, 2023 9:39 am

“The aim of the guerrillas is simply to make the cost of occupying them too high, such that the invading power *goes home*. In the case of Israel, they are already ‘home’ – they have nowhere to go back to. This means that they cannot stop fighting and withdraw. This conundrum means there will never be a solution to this conflict by guerrilla warfare”.

Without scruples, anything is possible.

Lidice. Ask the Nazis or Romans.

Rabz
November 2, 2023 9:40 am

Mem – it was in the Oz:

EXCLUSIVE
A heavier invisible hand to hit greenfilth target: Chambers
Dim Chambers has warned Australia cannot meet its net year zero emissions targets without more robust interference from government, paving the way for a new “invisible” hands-on industry policy.

TOM DUSEVIC, PATRICK COMMINS

P.S. Some edits have been made to the utterly absurd text above.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 2, 2023 9:42 am

Mushroom poisoning suspect Erin Patterson has allegedly been arrested and is being questioned by homicide detectives.

It has been reported Ms Patterson — who served a lunch that allegedly killed three people in July — has been taken to Wonthaggi police station.

Local police are also searching her Leongatha home.

More to come …

Herald-Sun

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
November 2, 2023 9:43 am

Kameltoe reaches for #I’llRideWithYou
…what a statesperson

areff
areff
November 2, 2023 9:44 am

Old Aussie: Ouch! That’s a ripper story about the ants. Pity there wasn’t a tigersnake in the hopper as well.

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