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Muddy
Muddy
November 7, 2023 10:52 pm

Cassie posted a link to U.K. comedian Andrew Lawrence’s latest monologue (only 2 1.2 minutes) earlier today, but it bears not only repeating, but excepting.

Fit it, or F*ck Off.

Here’s his outro:

Essentially, if you want to re-enact the last twenty-five years of immigration into the U.K., just invite a stranger that hates you into your home, watch as they p!ss on your carpet and fiddle with your kids, then apologise to them, give them your door keys, and move out.

Nuf sed.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 7, 2023 10:54 pm

CNN host defends Israel: ‘What exactly did Hamas think Israel would do?’

CNN’s Jake Tapper presents photos from Gaza, claims Israel kills civilians and children. ‘Did Hamas not anticipate that Israel would retaliate for Oct. 7 massacre?’

In the service of Israel:CNN’s Jake Tapper spoke about the claims that Israeli airstrikes are killing innocent Gazan children, asking what Israel should have done instead, following the brutal October 7 massacre, which left 1,400 Israelis dead and 240 abducted to Gaza.

“What exactly did Hamas think the Israeli military would do in response to that?”

he asked. “Did they not anticipate that Israel would retaliate? Did they not anticipate that Israel would retaliate in a way that would cause innocent Palestinians in Gaza to die?

Especially given the fact that, as has been established by Israeli intelligence, US intelligence, and journalists who have visited Gaza – the fact that Hamas embeds, within the Palestinian population? What did they think would happen?”

Tapper noted, “It turns out that a Saudi journalist asked the spokesman for Hamas that very question.

His response was quite telling in terms of Hamas’ concerns about Palestinian lives.”

Tapper then presented a video clip showing the Hamas leader Khaled Masha’al’s response. In the English-dubbed clip, the spokesman can be heard speaking in Arabic, saying, “Dear sister, nations are not easily liberated. The Russians sacrificed 30 million people in World War II in order to liberate it from Hitler’s attack. The Vietnamese sacrificed 3.5 million people until they defeated the Americans. Afghanistan sacrificed millions of martyrs to defeat the USSR and then the US. The Algerian people sacrificed six million martyrs over 130 years.

The Palestinian people are just like any other nation. No nation is liberated without sacrifices.”

Following the end of the clip, Tapper repeated the Masha’al’s last sentence, noting that this response is “not exactly an expression of regret for innocent Palestinian deaths.”

He then brought an interview by a Russian journalist, who asked Moussa Abu Marzouk from Hamas’ political wing, “You have built five hundred kilometers of tunnels in Gaza.

Why haven’t you built bomb shelters where Palestinian civilians can hide during bombardment?”

“We have built the tunnels because we have no other way of protecting ourselves from being targeted and killed.

These tunnels are meant to protect us from the airplanes. We are fighting from inside the tunnels. Everybody knows that 75% of the people in the Gaza Strip are refugees.

And it is the responsibility of the United Nations to protect them.”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 7, 2023 10:56 pm

semantics aside
the world is a strange place but
it’d be far strangerer without a dram

Scotch whisky – the only drink, fit for a gentleman – was introduced into Australia in the mid 1850’s, by Scottish squatters along the Riverina, in the mid 1850’s. Gentlemen, at that time, drank port, or brandy.

It’s long been my contention that those Scotsmen never achieved the recognition they deserved – at the very least, a statue commemorating their feat.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 7, 2023 10:58 pm

Beer whisperer. There were no planes. CGI bro. Boeing passenger jets cannot disappear into MASSIVE skyscrapers like they are ghosts. No wings or empennage coming off? Give me a break. Yet people still swallow this, like the Apollo missions.

Muddy
Muddy
November 7, 2023 11:00 pm

Oh dear. Spelink and grandmatical skills out the window.
Corrections: 2.5 minutes & ‘excerpting.’

(The downside to giving our attention to this bloke is a higher likelihood of him being arrested for ‘hate’ speech).

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 7, 2023 11:01 pm

WATCH: Thousands of Gazans flee Hamas under IDF corridor

Dozens of white flags were seen waved as Palestinians passed en masse to the southern end of the Gaza Strip on Tuesday

Gazan civilians were seen waving white flags as they passed through an IDF humanitarian corridor set up on Tuesday morning, in footage shared by the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT).

In the video, dozens of white flags were waved as Palestinians passed en masse to the southern end of the Strip after Wadi Gaza, per Israeli military instructions.

The IDF allowed the passage of Gazan civilians to the southern Strip through a humanitarian corridor open from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. local time, Arabic-language military spokesperson Avichay Adraee announced Tuesday.

Gaza resident: ‘The IDF fired, but not at us’

Rare testimony of a Palestinian woman tells of her escape from Gaza City under the protection of IDF forces.

A resident of the al-Shati refugee camp in northern Gaza was interviewed Monday by the Qatar-owned al-Arabi channel in Salah al-Din and told how she escaped – under the auspices of the IDF’s humanitarian corridor – to southern Gaza.

“We walked, we were afraid, we raised our hands with our IDs, the IDF shot but not at us, we kept walking,” she said, implying that there were attempts to harm the escapees and the IDF thwarted them.

She also said that she decided to flee the refugee camp due to the fear of being killed for the actions of Hamas. “There were announcements calling for evacuation and we wanted to leave.”

Muddy
Muddy
November 7, 2023 11:02 pm

I’ll be patrolling the edge of the crowd this Saturday (Remembrance Day) looking for likely disrupters who want to copy what is apparently being planned for the U.K.

MatrixTransform
November 7, 2023 11:02 pm

those Scotsmen never achieved the recognition they deserved

distillers everywhere deserve a knighthood

everything from Rakia to Slivovitz

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 7, 2023 11:05 pm

WATCH: Thousands of Gazans flee Hamas under IDF corridor

My compliments, and thank you, Old Ozzie. Most interesting post.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 7, 2023 11:06 pm

This is just my opinion, but I will condense the New Testament and teachings of Jesus into one short four word sentence.

“Keep it real C***s”

If you don’t care for that, best of luck.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 7, 2023 11:07 pm

The Obligatory Dail Mail Middle Class Australian Bogans at Play

Melbourne Cup: glammed up racegoers let loose after watching the ‘race that stops the nation’

. Melbourne Cup parties underway, short suits topped the new fashion trends
. Without a Fight, ridden by Mark Zahra, won the big race on Tuesday afternoon

. READ MORE: Unbelievable new trackside fashion trend revealed at Flemington

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 7, 2023 11:11 pm

MatrixTransform
Nov 7, 2023 11:02 PM

those Scotsmen never achieved the recognition they deserved

distillers everywhere deserve a knighthood

The Scotsmen had to have something to keep them Warm, besides the Sheep!

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=scottish+crofters+hut+on+Scottish+Moors&t=ffab&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 7, 2023 11:11 pm

There were no planes. CGI bro

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a new undisputed champion.

CGI.

Several billion square kilometres of green screens, and thousands (yes) of cameras all recording the same thing from different angles and streaming live throughout the world – live, mind you – were all – CGI.

With said CGI technology being 22 years old, which is the equivalent of a VL Commodore today.

And untold tens of thousands of TV crews around the world all complicit, along with every single one of the people in NYC who actually saw it happen,, and with not a single one opening their traps for over two decades.

I mean obviously it’s the Knights Templar and Tony Abbott behind all of this.

Dude. Bro. Brah. Get off the pipe.

Muddy
Muddy
November 7, 2023 11:12 pm

Public comment on a Youtube video about the state of South Africa:

Some cultures will create a city if given a pile of bricks. Other cultures will create a pile of bricks if given a city.

Crossie
Crossie
November 7, 2023 11:13 pm

I also hear that Blinken’s reception in Turkey was a complete disaster. Met at the airport by a deputy governor.

Throw them out of NATO, they don’t deserve any consideration at all.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 7, 2023 11:14 pm

Boeing passenger jets cannot disappear into MASSIVE skyscrapers like they are ghosts.

The plane-shaped holes were a bit of a giveaway.

You’ll be in a lot of trouble when Xenu gets here.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 7, 2023 11:17 pm

Yeah nah there were only about 3 shots of anything that day. You get off the pipe.

Crossie
Crossie
November 7, 2023 11:22 pm

calli
Nov 7, 2023 7:23 PM
I was pulling out onion weed during the race that stops the nation.

*hangs head in shame*

It’s an exercise in futility, you pull out one today and tomorrow two grow in its place.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 7, 2023 11:22 pm

Zafiro
Nov 7, 2023 11:17 PM

Yeah nah there were only about 3 shots of anything that day. You get off the pipe.

Zafiro – are you all there? – Or just lacking a Few Brain Cells

Que?

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=videos+of+planes+into+world+tower+11+september+2001&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fav%2Fworld-us-canada-14666713

From the Link above watch the BBC 27 Sec Video

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-14666713

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 7, 2023 11:23 pm

Yeah nah there were only about 3 shots of anything that day

This is seriously fertile ground.

You make Trickler look like a sound, well-credentialled historian.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 7, 2023 11:24 pm

Plane shaped holes LOL. Exactly. How does a Boeing 737 passenger jet fly into a building like that the but wings and tail section just keep going in, not coming off? Faark.

Oh I know now. Since the laws of physics got changed when they invented Global Warming.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
November 7, 2023 11:29 pm

Harvest in full swing in the WA Wheatbelt and I’m out on the chaser bin again.

Haven’t broken anything or run over any fences……yet.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 7, 2023 11:32 pm

a) Go along to get along. Whinge about the hike in fees for private schools.

b) Stop swallowing the bullshit, grow a set, and start calling these fiends out.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 7, 2023 11:32 pm

the but wings and tail section just keep going in, not coming off?

Because of the metric system.

h/t Pulp Fiction

How many millions of people do you really think were involved in this global conspiracy?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 7, 2023 11:34 pm

I’m a Jew at ‘The Guardian.’ I Don’t Feel Safe at Work.

An anonymous employee describes the hostile environment at Britain’s foremost left leaning newspaper.

By Anonymous

This account, first published in JewishNews, is written by an anonymous London-based Guardian employee who has family living on a kibbutz in southern Israel. It offers a look at life in the newspaper’s offices in the days since Hamas’s attack on Israel.

I wake up on October 7 to a text from my brother-in-law: “Thoughts are with your family in Israel. I hope everyone is safe.”

I check the news. Hamas has entered southern Israel. They’re in a kibbutz. My partner’s family is in that kibbutz. His cousin is nine months pregnant. He’s in contact with them; they’re in the safe room. Terrorists are outside.

I check social media. Reports of hostages, maybe three. I check again; perhaps ten.
There has been a massacre at a music festival. I look at the video. Who do I know there? I check social media again; there are videos of hostages. I look at their faces.

Do I know them?

We lose contact with family in the kibbutz. I tell myself that the phone lines are down because the IDF are there. I watch Hamas footage as it is coming out. I go on Telegram for the first time in my life and I see a room full of bodies covered in blood. I see children gunned down. I see the bodies of raped women. I see families holding each other as Hamas livestreams atrocities. I look for people I might know.

My partner and I walk 30,000 steps. There’s nothing we can do. Late that evening we hear that his family is safe but their house is gone, neighbors are dead.

I don’t understand. I could have easily been there and part of me thinks I was.

I look at the papers the next day. The newspaper I work for has a tank on the front page: ‘Hundreds die and hostages held as Hamas assault shocks Israel’—victorious terrorists hold a Palestinian flag.

The subheading reads ‘Netanyahu declares war as 150 Israelis die. 230 Palestinians killed in air strikes.’

I don’t understand. I know people, Israelis, who were murdered. They did not “die,” as if in some kind of accident. I saw footage of terrorism. It was not an “assault.”

On Monday I go to work. How are your family, a colleague asks. When I answer, she squirms. Can’t they just leave, my colleague says.

No, they can’t actually.

I look at the morning newsletter for the newspaper I work for. It breaks down the number of dead Palestinian children. It does not mention dead Israeli children.

My group chats are exploding as family and friends work out what has been happening, who is alive. I go back to the news. I type the name of the kibbutz into the wires. Nothing. I read how Hamas invaded “settlements.” They’re not settlements! They’re small, pre-state kibbutzim.

I find out that a friend of a friend was at the music festival and is missing. I’m shaking at work.

I see a colleague who had posted about “decolonization” all over social media over the weekend. They’re laughing with the rest of their team. They’re having a great day.

I used to love their podcast, full of hot takes and celeb gossip. Now they’ve evolved into an expert on the Middle East. It doesn’t look like their family is in the middle of it, though.

No one else at work speaks to me about it. I nod my way through conversations about fonts and I stumble home.

I go back the next day. I look at the front page. A photo of Gaza and “violence escalates.” Israelis “dead” but Palestinians “killed.” If they can’t empathize with the Jews now, they never will.

I email the editors. I tell them that my newspaper’s coverage has been upsetting. They tell me that their thoughts are with my family but they stand by the paper’s reporting.

I hear colleagues complaining about the newspaper’s “American readers. They’re always accusing us of antisemitism.” They’re laughing.

I leave work early to go to a vigil outside Downing Street. People quietly weep.

Everyone there is Jewish.

I’ve seen on social media that I know people going to a demonstration. Later, I see photos of it: people on lampposts, red flares, Jews hiding inside, the Israeli embassy boxed in. All kinds of people are united in the chant, “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.” In Sydney, they are shouting: “Gas the Jews.”

On Tuesday, I find out that my friend’s friend at the music festival is dead. I remember the day I’d spent with him on the beach in Tel Aviv last month. He’d gotten back from South America and was excited to travel again. He had been gentle and sweet. I don’t understand.

On Wednesday, I go to work again, and the next day, and the next day. Finally, the pictures from the kibbutz come out. I look at all of them. I rewatch the footage. I bear witness. No colleague asks me how I am again that week.

I go to synagogue at the weekend and cry with my community. The rabbi holds space for pain. I say Kaddish for the boy at the music festival I will never talk to again.

Back at work I see someone pointing to a photo of the Israeli flag burning in the newspaper. They laugh, “This is my favorite picture.”

I remember telling my family that when I next went to Israel I’d lie to my colleagues and tell them it was Spain.

I’d lie because my colleagues had said to me of Israel: “You gotta go while you still can.”

The newspaper I work for is covering the bombardment of Gaza and I watch in horror. I think that Israel must defend itself. Yet when I say this, people will tell me I am justifying the murder of children. They will tell me it is a genocide.

As the events of October 7 draw on collective Jewish memory of pogroms and the Holocaust, the newspaper I work for will dispel that myth, publishing a piece entitled “Israel must stop weaponizing the Holocaust.” Am I wrong to connect our grief today with that of our past?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 7, 2023 11:35 pm

grow a set, and start calling these fiends out.

Who, exactly, do you think was responsible?

The Black Prince? Edward I?

International bankers, perhaps?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 7, 2023 11:36 pm

The bare-faced lies of Hamas terrorist chief: Senior figure says Israeli ‘women, children and civilians were exempt’ during October 7 attack despite footage showing families being murdered

. Moussa Abu Marzouk, the Deputy Chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau, said that ‘women, children and civilians were exempt’ from the attack
. This is despite overwhelming evidence showing Hamas atrocities

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 7, 2023 11:37 pm

You don’t need as many as you might think.

The Beer Whisperer
The Beer Whisperer
November 7, 2023 11:37 pm

Beer whisperer. There were no planes. CGI bro. Boeing passenger jets cannot disappear into MASSIVE skyscrapers like they are ghosts. No wings or empennage coming off? Give me a break. Yet people still swallow this, like the Apollo missions.

I’ve seen 2001 CGI, and its pretty damned ordinary, even with months to fine tune. Mate, run into a building at 500kms per hour and show us your cuts and bruises. It’ll be a hoot.

I just don’t get how the same people that said GWB was stupid managed to pull off the greatest hoax in the history of mankind. Plane wings would be imbedded inside the building, and destroyed with the collapse. A rudimentary understanding of physics makes it all make sense.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 7, 2023 11:43 pm

I’m thinking of holidaying in Tartaria, are there tarts there or just goodtime girls or do I have to take my wife?

The Beer Whisperer
The Beer Whisperer
November 7, 2023 11:45 pm

Plane shaped holes LOL. Exactly. How does a Boeing 737 passenger jet fly into a building like that the but wings and tail section just keep going in, not coming off? Faark.

Oh I know now. Since the laws of physics got changed when they invented Global Warming.

Coyote shaped holes in rocks is apt considering your understanding of physics. A speck of dust doesn’t bounce off the ISS at 10,000kms p/h. It doesn’t get far but it doesn’t bounce for your consideration. Little Billy Slater would bounce much bigger guys into touch with simple velocity. Force is mass x velocity, so please tell us how much force a wall of static vertical steel columns has versus a wing travelling at 100s of kms p/h?

Dude, you’re the one claiming it’s CGI, so please do the maths to demonstrate your argument. Go!

Dot
Dot
November 7, 2023 11:46 pm

You’ll be in a lot of trouble when Xenu gets here.

Yog Sothoth is the key!

My musings (I say logical but accept I am making these postulates with little evidence) that I think it’s probable the USAF shot down Flight 93 and WTC might have been subject to sabotage by persons engaged with US SF on the day – and the US decided to keep a lid on this for morale and operational reasons, now seem quite tame.

CGI.

The WTC Memorial, whatever happened there?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 7, 2023 11:47 pm

OldOzzie the pali’s use the George Costanza excuse, a lie is not a lie if you believe it.

Muddy
Muddy
November 7, 2023 11:48 pm

Hot off the editing software, Andrew Lawrence’s latest:

POLICE- Pro-Palestine march this Armistice Weekend

(Haven’t watched it myself yet).

Dot
Dot
November 7, 2023 11:48 pm

F = ma
p = mv
P = mav

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 7, 2023 11:49 pm

The fact you believe that GWB was anyone of importance or someone wielding power in 2001 shows your naivete. He was just a puppet. Bidenesque. Faaark

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 7, 2023 11:49 pm

dover0beach
Nov 7, 2023 11:35 PM

Which is why a Turkey without Erdogan is preferable.

Possibly, I know little about Turkish politics, but I doubt he’s an aberration.

dover,

over a number of trips to Turkey – the Turkish People on the European Side of the Bosporous, Istanbul we met were very westernised and anti Erdogan – the further west you went, in our case Ankara, Kaseri Cappadocia, and the more the islamic influence was seen – his support tends to be amonsft the peasant calss

The map on https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/05/28/recep-tayyip-erdogan-is-re-elected-as-turkeys-president

shows where Erdogan’s support was in May 2023 Election as can be seen on the map amd as the economist says

Divisions are increasingly entrenched: between bigger cities, where support for Mr Kilicdaroglu is higher, and the countryside, which votes mostly for Mr Erdogan; between secular and religious; and between the country’s western coast and the Anatolian interior (see map).

Dot
Dot
November 7, 2023 11:50 pm

W = Fd
I = Ft

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 7, 2023 11:52 pm

Beery no good arguing with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with years of experience.

Muddy
Muddy
November 7, 2023 11:53 pm

Ahahahaha!
Yes, Andrew Lawrence’s fresh monologue is definitely worth watching. (Note to Aussie police: Just change the place names and you too have a media-ready statement).

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 8, 2023 12:00 am

Old George Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld ran the show back then. Bush jnr was just a puppet. They were bad dudes in with the international bankers and what not.

Lookout!

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 8, 2023 12:20 am

Read somewhere the other week where Friedeggburger got appointed CEO of Goldman-Sachs Aus/NZ.

Yeah but no such thing as international bankers.

It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

pete of perth
pete of perth
November 8, 2023 1:14 am

5 for 69

pete of perth
pete of perth
November 8, 2023 1:27 am

6 for 87

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 8, 2023 1:31 am

6/87 WTF? against Afgrornistorn (ht Tony Greig)

pete of perth
pete of perth
November 8, 2023 1:32 am

Walking around Northbridge Perth saw two blocks for sale. Told the missus ” Pete, I don’t have a sugar daddy”

pete of perth
pete of perth
November 8, 2023 1:36 am

7 for 91 AFG on fire

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 8, 2023 1:40 am

Afgornistorn made 291. They are a good team these mofos.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 8, 2023 1:44 am

Yeah I know the Northbridge area in Perth. Party central

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 8, 2023 1:55 am

7/117 atm. Glenn Maxwell is in with Cummins. Hope is not lost.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 8, 2023 2:12 am

Maxwell hasn’t started going nuts yet. Probably trying to see off Rashid Khan.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 8, 2023 2:21 am

Cummins is holding up his end. Maxwell needs to start putting a few over the fence.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 8, 2023 2:27 am

Maxwell is starting to up tempo. This could be interesting.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 8, 2023 2:49 am

Cummins is 8 from 38. All good bro, just hold your end. Maxwell is cutting loose, ton up.

Zafiro
Zafiro
November 8, 2023 3:56 am

Lazy 201 from Maxwell. I have watched cricket full on since I was a kid. 1977 or something. Never seen a team pull it out of the fire like Maxy and Cummins did tonight. Never been super hot for Cummins as test captain. Am now. He’s solid bloke.

Tom
Tom
November 8, 2023 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
November 8, 2023 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
November 8, 2023 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
November 8, 2023 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
November 8, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
November 8, 2023 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
November 8, 2023 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
November 8, 2023 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
November 8, 2023 4:09 am
Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
November 8, 2023 4:19 am

Thanks Tom.

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2023 6:30 am

From The Oz…

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has addressed the nation, saying there will be no fuel delivered to the Gaza Strip and no ceasefire in Israel’s fighting with Hamas unless hostages seized by the Palestinian militants are freed.

In a televised statement marking the first month of Israel’s war with Hamas he said there would be “no entry of gasoline… no ceasefire without the release of our hostages”.

Good. No ceasefire, no pause without the release of ALL the hostages taken on 7 October 2023.

But it’s interesting is it not, how at these now weekly Nazi Jew hating rallies currently being staged across the West, that you never see anyone carrying posters or placards calling for Hamas to…”release the hostages”. Believe you me, I’ve looked at the pictures of the ‘rallies’, and I’ve tried to find one poster, one placard, one banner, with words asking Hamas to return the hostages, and I haven’t found one.

miltonf
miltonf
November 8, 2023 6:35 am

Cassie that picture in Melanie Phillips’s recent article of the poppy sellers being mobbed at Charing X station is heartbreaking.

miltonf
miltonf
November 8, 2023 6:40 am
DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 8, 2023 6:41 am

But it’s interesting is it not, how at these now weekly Nazi Jew hating rallies currently being staged across the West, that you never see anyone carrying posters or placards calling for Hamas to…”release the hostages”.

Yes Indeed. These protesters are, at best, kidding themselves. They don’t give a damn about innocent Gazan arabs. They just hate Jews.
It’s horrible to see how widespread it is, although it’s mostly centred on Muslims.

Which is instructive.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 8, 2023 6:54 am

Anti-Semitism is such a weak term. It doesn’t get across the insane hatred for Jews that actually drives some of these sickos.

Having intense feelings about a whole bunch of people you’ve never met and know nothing about is insane.

rosie
rosie
November 8, 2023 6:57 am

No, it’s evil.

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2023 6:59 am

“Anti-Semitism is such a weak term. It doesn’t get across the insane hatred for Jews that actually drives some of these sickos.”

Quite so, which is why I no longer use it. I prefer the term…

Jew hatred

Because that’s a more accurate description.

The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
November 8, 2023 7:01 am

Caroline Glick says that the plan was for simultaneous attacks by massed militias from both Gaza and Lebanon. It was intended to be much greater than the October 7 incursion, and the aim was to destroy Israel. There can be no “proportionality” in responding to the Hamas mob, who are pure evil.
We continue to hear bleats about “international humanitarian law” or “rules of war”.
Neither apply. Israel knows that it is in a fight to the death. It’s a case of “whatever it takes”.

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2023 7:04 am

It’s also interesting to note how many Iranians are now openly siding with Israel, and in the growing world of ex-Muslims, these people are also siding with Israel. But this should surprise nobody, as these ex-Muslims know the truth about Islam, unlike the leftist weasels in places like Australia who openly side with a theological death cult that will happily kill Jews, Christians, gays and so on.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 8, 2023 7:10 am

There can be no “proportionality” in responding to the Hamas mob, who are pure evil.

On the other thread on proportionality, I remarked that the key assumption behind proportionality is that you are dealing with rational human beings. You wouldn’t urge it if you were fighting zombies, for example. You’d do everything you could to wipe them out.

After 7th October, the same applies to Hamas.

Vicki
Vicki
November 8, 2023 7:10 am

Yesterday afternoon our satellite internet server (Activ8) went down & had not been restored in the evening. It has been restored this morning.

However our mobile phone service (Optus) is down this morning as it apparently is nation wide. What gives?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 8, 2023 7:13 am

And I’m not dehumanising the enemy. Hamas did that.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 8, 2023 7:15 am

I’m with dodo, which uses optus. Not out in Toytown.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 8, 2023 7:20 am

This blog is off the pace.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 8, 2023 7:27 am

Optus is definitely down.

rosie
rosie
November 8, 2023 7:37 am

Proportionality is what measures are necessary to remove the threat.
It has nothing to do with the numbers killed, or claimed to be killed on each side.
The proportionate response to a terrorist massacre and promises to do it again, is to completely destroy the terrorists.
Israel is doing that, while trying to minimise civilian casualties.
Again, reading twitter in response to Israel providing safety corridors for people to move south some bit, a female doctor living comfortably in Sweden was screeching that gazans had every right to stay in north gaza.
What would mohamed do?

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 8, 2023 7:40 am

Spooner – that is his absolute best!

Thanks Tom.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 8, 2023 7:41 am

The picture wireless advises that the Hamas chiefy o chief is isolated and surrounded in central Gaza City.

He is said to be ‘holed up in his bunker’.

Probably not a golfing reference.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 8, 2023 7:45 am

In other news, and taking into account overnight discussions, one of the great blog stoushes of all time is upon us.

Trucks v trains was a bantamweight undercard event by comparison.

This is the main event.

In the blue corner – CGI. In the red – Direct Energy Weapons.

Tom
Tom
November 8, 2023 7:45 am

The Cat’s cartoon service will be paused for a couple of days as I enter hospital this morning for part two of planned maintenance — an angioplasty to repair a minor defect in one of the arteries from the heart (a procedure that’s now routine, enabled by the leap forward in surgical technology).

‘Toon service is scheduled to resume on Saturday at 0400.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 8, 2023 7:45 am

Janet A puts the boots in to their ABC.

Love it if anyone could post it. My sub hasn’t/won’t be renewed.

Looking at you ZK2A 🙂

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 8, 2023 7:46 am

He is said to be ‘holed up in his bunker’.

Probably not a golfing reference.

Oh dear.
That is an unfortunate reference.
Of course, two shots in the bunker in golf is referred to “having an Adolph”.

rosie
rosie
November 8, 2023 7:47 am

Watched a video of a Jewish journalist interviewing young Gazans in Germany.
Families pay for them to be smuggled out, for the benefit of remittances and eventually the opportunity to join them.
If you are not hamas you get nothing but if you join hamas, you might get paid, you might not, you might get killed, you might not so unless you are in an established hamas family forget it.
And how the ordinary gazan wasn’t being looked after, they should be their father.
It would have been more comforting had they said they were ideologically opposed to all that hamas stood for and they just wanted an education and opportunity.

The interviews were done before 7 October.
I wonder how many of the interviewees have joined the demonstrations
Oh and senior hamas children aren’t fighting, they aren’t even in Gaza.
But we knew that.

Vicki
Vicki
November 8, 2023 7:47 am

Just read a last night post of Old Ozzie of poignant article by a Jewish journalist on The Guardian. It is heartbreaking. The journo documents the open and heartless anti Semitism that is being revealed in her colleagues by the events in Israel.

How is this possible? They are saying that the jews are “weaponising” the Holocaust in their defence. Are they serious???

These people in the office are not Muslims. They are lefties, plain & simple, showing their true colours.

rosie
rosie
November 8, 2023 7:51 am

Hamas’s Gaza leader Yahya Sinwar has been ‘isolated’ in his bunker, Israel’s defence minister said as he confirmed IDF troops are in the heart of the terrorist’s ‘stronghold’, Gaza City.

War cabinet minister Yoav Gallant said in a televised statement that the Hamas leader ‘is hiding in his bunker and is without contact with his associates,’ but did not disclose where Sinwar’s bunker is located.
Israeli forces have destroyed more than 100 Hamas tunnel shafts so far and are “operating on the ground deep inside Gaza City,” Israeli military spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said in a press conference Tuesday evening.
Hagari also praised Emirati and Egyptian efforts to erect field hospitals at a distance from the active battlezone, noting that this may have the effect of gradually reducing the number of victims being treated at Al Shifa hospital in Gaza City, where the Israel Defense Forces says Hamas militants have command infrastructure.“I will not detail our operations –we will do what must be done to handle Hamas terrorists,” Hagari said when asked about a potential strike on the hospital. –

Dot
Dot
November 8, 2023 7:51 am

Grigory (I presume is “Zafiro”) made oblique references to being IT or a certain gambler last night.

I’m not sure Septimus is LARPing anymore to make this joint look bad.

He is a milquetoast LNP and big government adoring, ALP is better than any conservative with an ounce of a backbone loving, CGI did 9/11 believin’ nutjob!

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 8, 2023 7:52 am

Optus down, seemingly everywhere. No mobile or NBN (data, home phone) for me. Work is up…

Nelson_Kidd-Players
Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 8, 2023 7:53 am

Anyone got a spare carrier pidgeon?

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2023 7:53 am

Tom
Nov 8, 2023 7:45 AM”

I hope it all goes well, Tom. Take care.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 8, 2023 7:53 am

Hamas’s Gaza leader Yahya Sinwar has been ‘isolated’ in his bunker

Would it be wrong to get out the Downfall meme generator?

Dot
Dot
November 8, 2023 7:54 am

Actually

“Dick Cheney did 9/11 with CGI”

The troof is out there!!1!

Buy. Me. A. Coffee. Or. A. Puppy. Dies.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 8, 2023 7:55 am

Wish I’d stayed up to watch – even Captain Climate did a bit…..

Glenn Maxwell has produced what Pat Cummins described as “probably the greatest ODI innings ever” to pull off a miraculous win that secured Australia a World Cup semi-final berth.

Maxwell overcame debilitating full body cramps that almost forced him to retire hurt en route to 201 not out from 128 balls as he and Cummins put on an unbeaten 202 for the eighth-wicket to clinch victory over Afghanistan with 19 balls to spare on Tuesday night at the Wankhede Stadium.

The Victorian smacked 21 fours and 10 sixes in what was the first ever men’s ODI double century for Australia and the first time anyone had scored a double century in a men’s ODI run chase.

Australia was 7-91 chasing 292 for victory when Maxwell and Cummins came together in the 19th over.

miltonf
miltonf
November 8, 2023 7:55 am

Good luck Tom. Always appreciate your comments and insights.

rosie
rosie
November 8, 2023 7:56 am

Wednesday, November 8, 2023
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In the past few days much has been written about the inaugural meeting in London of the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship. The meeting offers hope for people fed up with the trajectory of so-called progressive politics.

The emergence of this new group couldn’t come soon enough. The challenge for people on what one might call the centre-right has always been how to stop the march of leftist politics through our educational institutions, how to drain the monocultural swamp at the ABC and in government bureaucracies. Now there is a new challenge: how to tackle the arrogant political swagger within myriad other organisations that, like a form of rot, undermines the foundations of these groups.
If it were simply an irritatingly shallow form of virtue signalling, we might ignore it. But the trend highlights deeper problems in the West. While CEOs and executives worry in tight unison about pronouns and gender policies, the purpose of these bodies is being sidelined. For all their bellyaching about diversity, groups are becoming remarkably homogenous in their thought. And this sort of conformity is nothing to celebrate.
The upshot is that those with a healthy appetite for a diversity of views have fewer places to turn to hear different voices. I have given up on the public broadcaster. Its coverage of the most serious issues facing the country and the world has become superficial and juvenile. I turn to the BBC for coverage of the Gaza war, for example, where its journalists make a serious attempt to cover the complexities of war. Not perfect. But a zillion times better than the ABC, where there are so few journalistic adults.
Two exceptions, professionals John Lyons and Sabra Lane, stand out among a pack of overpaid journalists who sound for all the world like low-grade university activists.

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Wednesday, November 8, 2023
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In the past few days much has been written about the inaugural meeting in London of the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship. The meeting offers hope for people fed up with the trajectory of so-called progressive politics.

The emergence of this new group couldn’t come soon enough. The challenge for people on what one might call the centre-right has always been how to stop the march of leftist politics through our educational institutions, how to drain the monocultural swamp at the ABC and in government bureaucracies. Now there is a new challenge: how to tackle the arrogant political swagger within myriad other organisations that, like a form of rot, undermines the foundations of these groups.

If it were simply an irritatingly shallow form of virtue signalling, we might ignore it. But the trend highlights deeper problems in the West. While CEOs and executives worry in tight unison about pronouns and gender policies, the purpose of these bodies is being sidelined. For all their bellyaching about diversity, groups are becoming remarkably homogenous in their thought. And this sort of conformity is nothing to celebrate.

06:26
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The upshot is that those with a healthy appetite for a diversity of views have fewer places to turn to hear different voices. I have given up on the public broadcaster. Its coverage of the most serious issues facing the country and the world has become superficial and juvenile. I turn to the BBC for coverage of the Gaza war, for example, where its journalists make a serious attempt to cover the complexities of war. Not perfect. But a zillion times better than the ABC, where there are so few journalistic adults.

Two exceptions, professionals John Lyons and Sabra Lane, stand out among a pack of overpaid journalists who sound for all the world like low-grade university activists.

Taking another swipe at his former employer recently, Stan Grant said there were people on shows such as Q&A “that I don’t need to hear from and what is their expertise?” The same could be said of many other shows and ABC journalists. One needs to look back to the early to mid-1990s, when Lateline, for example, produced outstanding journalism. Back then seriously smart journalists hosted debates between seriously smart people on the big issues of the day.
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In the past few days much has been written about the inaugural meeting in London of the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship. The meeting offers hope for people fed up with the trajectory of so-called progressive politics.

The emergence of this new group couldn’t come soon enough. The challenge for people on what one might call the centre-right has always been how to stop the march of leftist politics through our educational institutions, how to drain the monocultural swamp at the ABC and in government bureaucracies. Now there is a new challenge: how to tackle the arrogant political swagger within myriad other organisations that, like a form of rot, undermines the foundations of these groups.

If it were simply an irritatingly shallow form of virtue signalling, we might ignore it. But the trend highlights deeper problems in the West. While CEOs and executives worry in tight unison about pronouns and gender policies, the purpose of these bodies is being sidelined. For all their bellyaching about diversity, groups are becoming remarkably homogenous in their thought. And this sort of conformity is nothing to celebrate.

06:26
‘He’s right’: John Howard criticised from ‘lefty-land’ over…
Sky News host Paul Murray says there has been quite a reaction in “lefty-land” over former prime minister John… more
‘He’s right’: John Howard criticised from ‘lefty-land’ over multiculturalism comments
The upshot is that those with a healthy appetite for a diversity of views have fewer places to turn to hear different voices. I have given up on the public broadcaster. Its coverage of the most serious issues facing the country and the world has become superficial and juvenile. I turn to the BBC for coverage of the Gaza war, for example, where its journalists make a serious attempt to cover the complexities of war. Not perfect. But a zillion times better than the ABC, where there are so few journalistic adults.

Two exceptions, professionals John Lyons and Sabra Lane, stand out among a pack of overpaid journalists who sound for all the world like low-grade university activists.

Taking another swipe at his former employer recently, Stan Grant said there were people on shows such as Q&A “that I don’t need to hear from and what is their expertise?” The same could be said of many other shows and ABC journalists. One needs to look back to the early to mid-1990s, when Lateline, for example, produced outstanding journalism. Back then seriously smart journalists hosted debates between seriously smart people on the big issues of the day.

READ MORE: State news ‘to shrink’ from ABC’s view | Grant and his wife Tracey Holmes criticise the ABC | If it were simply an irritatingly shallow form of virtue signalling | ABC starts to get personal as star personnel quit | In the early ’90s Kerry O’Brien moderated a debate between Christopher Hitchens | ts robust and thoughtful policy development in Indigenous
In the early ’90s Kerry O’Brien moderated a debate between Christopher Hitchens, then a writer for left-wing publication, The Nation, and free-market economist Richard Rahn from the Cato Institute about Reaganomics’ legacy. The clash of ideas was riveting. In the mid-90s Maxine McKew interviewed Henry Kissinger and Malcolm Fraser on how Australia should tackle any future US-China rivalry. Here again were serious public figures disagreeing intelligently with each other on an issue of profound importance
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In the past few days much has been written about the inaugural meeting in London of the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship. The meeting offers hope for people fed up with the trajectory of so-called progressive politics.

The emergence of this new group couldn’t come soon enough. The challenge for people on what one might call the centre-right has always been how to stop the march of leftist politics through our educational institutions, how to drain the monocultural swamp at the ABC and in government bureaucracies. Now there is a new challenge: how to tackle the arrogant political swagger within myriad other organisations that, like a form of rot, undermines the foundations of these groups.

If it were simply an irritatingly shallow form of virtue signalling, we might ignore it. But the trend highlights deeper problems in the West. While CEOs and executives worry in tight unison about pronouns and gender policies, the purpose of these bodies is being sidelined. For all their bellyaching about diversity, groups are becoming remarkably homogenous in their thought. And this sort of conformity is nothing to celebrate.

06:26
‘He’s right’: John Howard criticised from ‘lefty-land’ over…
Sky News host Paul Murray says there has been quite a reaction in “lefty-land” over former prime minister John… more
‘He’s right’: John Howard criticised from ‘lefty-land’ over multiculturalism comments
The upshot is that those with a healthy appetite for a diversity of views have fewer places to turn to hear different voices. I have given up on the public broadcaster. Its coverage of the most serious issues facing the country and the world has become superficial and juvenile. I turn to the BBC for coverage of the Gaza war, for example, where its journalists make a serious attempt to cover the complexities of war. Not perfect. But a zillion times better than the ABC, where there are so few journalistic adults.

Two exceptions, professionals John Lyons and Sabra Lane, stand out among a pack of overpaid journalists who sound for all the world like low-grade university activists.

Taking another swipe at his former employer recently, Stan Grant said there were people on shows such as Q&A “that I don’t need to hear from and what is their expertise?” The same could be said of many other shows and ABC journalists. One needs to look back to the early to mid-1990s, when Lateline, for example, produced outstanding journalism. Back then seriously smart journalists hosted debates between seriously smart people on the big issues of the day.

READ MORE: State news ‘to shrink’ from ABC’s view | Grant and his wife Tracey Holmes criticise the ABC | If it were simply an irritatingly shallow form of virtue signalling | ABC starts to get personal as star personnel quit | In the early ’90s Kerry O’Brien moderated a debate between Christopher Hitchens | ts robust and thoughtful policy development in Indigenous
In the early ’90s Kerry O’Brien moderated a debate between Christopher Hitchens, then a writer for left-wing publication, The Nation, and free-market economist Richard Rahn from the Cato Institute about Reaganomics’ legacy. The clash of ideas was riveting. In the mid-90s Maxine McKew interviewed Henry Kissinger and Malcolm Fraser on how Australia should tackle any future US-China rivalry. Here again were serious public figures disagreeing intelligently with each other on an issue of profound importance.

Christopher Hitchens
Christopher Hitchens
There is no equivalent of Lateline in its heyday at the ABC today, no first-rate intelligent and challenging journalism where viewers come away entertained, challenged and better informed. Instead, programs such as The Drum offer a glib line-up of nothingness.

The pursuit of mind-numbing identity politics has turned Aunty into a taxpayer-funded Mickey Mouse media outfit. They may have been white men but the likes of Mark Colvin, Andrew Olle and Tony Eastley sure knew their craft. Would 23-year-old versions of these men get a gig at the ABC today? One of them might sneak in if they were gay or ticked some other diversity box.

The recent voice referendum highlighted the decline of the ABC from a serious broadcaster to a kindergarten. The billion-dollar-plus organisation is a case study in how intellectual conformity wrecks an institution. The same stifling conformity elsewhere in the country was exposed by companies and directors who sang from the same song sheet during the referendum. And it isn’t just corporate Australia that needs to learn lessons about the extent of their surrender to groupthink and the mindless submission to the inner-city zeitgeist.
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Crisis of conformity only quells clash of ideas
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In the past few days much has been written about the inaugural meeting in London of the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship. The meeting offers hope for people fed up with the trajectory of so-called progressive politics.

The emergence of this new group couldn’t come soon enough. The challenge for people on what one might call the centre-right has always been how to stop the march of leftist politics through our educational institutions, how to drain the monocultural swamp at the ABC and in government bureaucracies. Now there is a new challenge: how to tackle the arrogant political swagger within myriad other organisations that, like a form of rot, undermines the foundations of these groups.

If it were simply an irritatingly shallow form of virtue signalling, we might ignore it. But the trend highlights deeper problems in the West. While CEOs and executives worry in tight unison about pronouns and gender policies, the purpose of these bodies is being sidelined. For all their bellyaching about diversity, groups are becoming remarkably homogenous in their thought. And this sort of conformity is nothing to celebrate.

06:26
‘He’s right’: John Howard criticised from ‘lefty-land’ over…
Sky News host Paul Murray says there has been quite a reaction in “lefty-land” over former prime minister John… more
‘He’s right’: John Howard criticised from ‘lefty-land’ over multiculturalism comments
The upshot is that those with a healthy appetite for a diversity of views have fewer places to turn to hear different voices. I have given up on the public broadcaster. Its coverage of the most serious issues facing the country and the world has become superficial and juvenile. I turn to the BBC for coverage of the Gaza war, for example, where its journalists make a serious attempt to cover the complexities of war. Not perfect. But a zillion times better than the ABC, where there are so few journalistic adults.

Two exceptions, professionals John Lyons and Sabra Lane, stand out among a pack of overpaid journalists who sound for all the world like low-grade university activists.

Taking another swipe at his former employer recently, Stan Grant said there were people on shows such as Q&A “that I don’t need to hear from and what is their expertise?” The same could be said of many other shows and ABC journalists. One needs to look back to the early to mid-1990s, when Lateline, for example, produced outstanding journalism. Back then seriously smart journalists hosted debates between seriously smart people on the big issues of the day.

READ MORE: State news ‘to shrink’ from ABC’s view | Grant and his wife Tracey Holmes criticise the ABC | If it were simply an irritatingly shallow form of virtue signalling | ABC starts to get personal as star personnel quit | In the early ’90s Kerry O’Brien moderated a debate between Christopher Hitchens | ts robust and thoughtful policy development in Indigenous
In the early ’90s Kerry O’Brien moderated a debate between Christopher Hitchens, then a writer for left-wing publication, The Nation, and free-market economist Richard Rahn from the Cato Institute about Reaganomics’ legacy. The clash of ideas was riveting. In the mid-90s Maxine McKew interviewed Henry Kissinger and Malcolm Fraser on how Australia should tackle any future US-China rivalry. Here again were serious public figures disagreeing intelligently with each other on an issue of profound importance.

Christopher Hitchens
Christopher Hitchens
There is no equivalent of Lateline in its heyday at the ABC today, no first-rate intelligent and challenging journalism where viewers come away entertained, challenged and better informed. Instead, programs such as The Drum offer a glib line-up of nothingness.

The pursuit of mind-numbing identity politics has turned Aunty into a taxpayer-funded Mickey Mouse media outfit. They may have been white men but the likes of Mark Colvin, Andrew Olle and Tony Eastley sure knew their craft. Would 23-year-old versions of these men get a gig at the ABC today? One of them might sneak in if they were gay or ticked some other diversity box.

The recent voice referendum highlighted the decline of the ABC from a serious broadcaster to a kindergarten. The billion-dollar-plus organisation is a case study in how intellectual conformity wrecks an institution. The same stifling conformity elsewhere in the country was exposed by companies and directors who sang from the same song sheet during the referendum. And it isn’t just corporate Australia that needs to learn lessons about the extent of their surrender to groupthink and the mindless submission to the inner-city zeitgeist.

Having conquered the boardrooms of corporate Australia, many of the self-aggrandising masters of the universe now spend their time on the boards of other bodies trying to enforce the same deadening intellectual conformity. Increasingly the infestation of not-for-profit organisations by the corporate elite has meant, as in corporate Australia, every kind of diversity known to man is worshipped except the one that really counts – diversity of thought.

Based on the maxim that where there is rot, it needs to be treated, there needs to be a refresh of boards in this country. Whether betrayal of an entity’s real purpose was caused by directorial arrogance or because directors have allowed overbearing executives to run riot, directors are ultimately responsible if an entity forgets its raison d’etre. They need only tune into the ABC to understand that an organisation that succumbs to stifling orthodoxy and loses sight of its purpose will lose relevance.

Dot
Dot
November 8, 2023 7:57 am

Good luck Tom.

Remember you have me here requiring a blast every so often for wrong headedness. 🙂

Rosie
Rosie
November 8, 2023 7:58 am

Okay I won’t try to do that again.

Vicki
Vicki
November 8, 2023 8:00 am

BTW this is the moment when our Satellite phone is a comfort. It is only $16 per month – although calls are extra. It is called Pivatel.

Vicki
Vicki
November 8, 2023 8:01 am

Or is it Pivotel?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 8, 2023 8:02 am

My spare phone is on Optus via amaysim, and it’s dead.

Vicki
Vicki
November 8, 2023 8:02 am

Yes – all the best, Tom.

Dot
Dot
November 8, 2023 8:02 am

Just putting it out there as I wouldn’t mind a long lost rich pseudo Uncle.

Is Alamak actually Satoshi?

Look. The Aussie guy in the papers over BTC feuding probably is Satoshi. The fact that a heap of Redditors say no makes me think YES.

I can imagine it now.

“Satoshi reads the Cat!”

Hopefully when the new Israeli bomber is ironically named after a Cat Stevens song “Peace Train” – “Bibi reads the Cat!”

Rosie
Rosie
November 8, 2023 8:03 am

All the best with the surgery Tom.
Always good to wake up on the other side of a general anaesthetic.

Gabor
Gabor
November 8, 2023 8:04 am

Trucks v trains was a bantamweight undercard event by comparison.

Whatever happened to the two protagonists?

Not that I miss either, just curious.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 8, 2023 8:05 am

My hangover this morning feels like Glenn Maxwell used my skull on his way to 200+.
Beer & wine intake was fine.
The tequila cocktails intake was not.
And finished the night with the gayest drink of all, the espresso martini.

On the plus side, I got two % of trifectas.
A small slice on one where I boxed the field for third.
And a decent slice on a syndicate tri where a young chap at the table demanded Sheraz be included.
Not sheep stations but ok.

Dot
Dot
November 8, 2023 8:05 am

Oh dear.
That is an unfortunate reference.
Of course, two shots in the bunker in golf is referred to “having an Adolph”.

What if they still get 3 under their handicap and return to their dwelling in a cheerful mood?

“Heil Honey, I’m Home?”

Sounds like a great idea for a sit com.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 8, 2023 8:06 am

Okay I won’t try to do that again.

Haha – thanks anyway Rosie. At least I got the chance to read it – a few times 🙂

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 8, 2023 8:10 am

The nationwide Optus outage is, of course, the result of a targeted non-nuclear EMP strike.

I see the dead hand of international banking and the UN in this.

Get your gold and guns and iodine!

It’s Happening!

Gabor
Gabor
November 8, 2023 8:10 am

Vicki
Nov 8, 2023 8:00 AM

BTW this is the moment when our Satellite phone is a comfort. It is only $16 per month – although calls are extra. It is called Pivatel.

That is not a bad deal, I’m thinking of ditching my plan to “pay as you go” because I hardly make any calls on the mobile, it’s for receiving orders.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 8, 2023 8:10 am

Whatever happened to the two protagonists?

Rex is driving trains in Rajasthan (where there is no NBN coverage). I still get the occasional postcard.
St Ruth has joined the RuPaul Drag Race as a dancer.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
November 8, 2023 8:10 am

VIC Liberal Friends of Israel having an evening talk Thursday evening in the Caulfield area. I must still be on the SFL mailing list. Bought 2 tix and will support this gathering.

bespoke
bespoke
November 8, 2023 8:11 am

GreyRanga
Nov 7, 2023 11:52 PM
Beery no good arguing with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with years of experience.

True but like trolls there is no right way to deal with them. Silence can be interpreted as approval. These 911 truthers deverted attention away from the intelligence failures and the cosy relationship with the Saudi. Usefull idiots.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 8, 2023 8:14 am

Best of good surgeons to you sir. Are they doing it through the femoral artery. I’ve got that to look forward to for my aneurysm.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 8, 2023 8:15 am

Good luck Tom.

Dot
Dot
November 8, 2023 8:15 am

What we have learnt on the Cat this week:

There is no sexual assault in prison.
Dick Cheney did 9/11 with CGI.
Western civilisation is a myth – Greater Tartaria built Rome, Gobekli Tepe, Vienna, Paris and Seattle. Including the Space Needle.
Dick Cheney also did 9/11 with DEW.
I actually live at Gravelly Beach and fear no man.
Squelchers on 12 – 48 months to live and EO 3568843299325789 have not returned.
No one wants to meet up to fight with me, I am the World’s Greatest Streetfighter.
Dutchsinse was abducted by reptoids.
The fat hypertensive pommy bloke reporting that 10 million Aussie kids are living in tunnels beneath us has been quiet since his third quadruple bypass surgery. Also, buy him a coffee.
Septimus isn’t a LARP, he’s a true believer in the uniparty, faked moon landings and cryptically blaming Jews for 9/11.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
November 8, 2023 8:16 am

I note social media have an alternate narrative developing over the past few days. Highlighting the history of Palestinians to bring mostly peace and harmony to any corner of the world they go except for the protesting, Marxism, assassinations, weapons, civil unrest, violence, kidnapping, corruption, jihad….

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 8, 2023 8:17 am

WTF is happening in London where war memorials are be de-poppied?

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2023 8:20 am

“VIC Liberal Friends of Israel having an evening talk Thursday evening in the Caulfield area. I must still be on the SFL mailing list. Bought 2 tix and will support this gathering.”

FS, when you attend, can you tell the stupid effing Liberals that Moira Deeming is NO Nazi, nor is Kellie-Jay Keen, and that the real Nazis in this country are the Greens and those attending pro-Palestinian protests.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 8, 2023 8:20 am

Head off to Wellcome Camp Knuckles. The water takes a while to come through in the showers accordong to the truckdriver.

blind freddy
blind freddy
November 8, 2023 8:21 am

‘Toon service is scheduled to resume on Saturday at 0400.

All the best Tom

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 8, 2023 8:24 am

“We’ll be going in through the groin, Mr Panzer”.
“Good idea. You could pretty much drive a golf cart through there.”
“Err, no, the femoral artery”.
“Oh. Right you are. You’re the expert I suppose”.

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2023 8:24 am

WTF is happening in London where war memorials are be de-poppied?

WTF is happening is that we are witnessing a cultural and religious Islamic coup d’etat, nothing more, nothing less, aided and abetted by leftist scum. Happened in Iran in 1978.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 8, 2023 8:26 am

How many months to go before we’re all finito. I’m not particularly worried as my surgeon told me if the aneurysm goes I’ve got 2 minutes to 2 hours. It tends to focus your outlook.

Vicki
Vicki
November 8, 2023 8:26 am

BTW mea culpa. Forgot to say ( husband just reminded me!) the sat phone cost around $700 ( 4 years ago) & only works outside the residence. It is, after all, an emergency phone. Essential in our area – which is considered remote ( because of its position) even though it is only a little over 3 hours from Sydney.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 8, 2023 8:27 am

Dot at 8:15.
You forgot ‘Wayne Harmes was out of bounds”.

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2023 8:29 am

In fact I would argue that what we are seeing is a very clear transparent repeat of what we saw unfold in Iran in 1978. I remember that year very well. I remember the utter supine spinelessness of the USA under Carter, I remember how the USA refused to have the shah’s back. I remember the scene of the shah departing Tehran in January 1979 for exile. I was at school but I still recall watching the news and viewing the hideous scenes of leftists and Islamists take to the streets of Iran’s cities, denouncing the shah, the USA and Israel.

This is what we’ve imported into our countries. The Islamic coup d’etat is happening before our eyes.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 8, 2023 8:32 am

The things you learn on this wonderful blog. Thanks for that Dot, I was in need of brightening up. Got 3 hrs sleep. Eyes like peeholes in the snow.

Rosie
Rosie
November 8, 2023 8:33 am
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 8, 2023 8:33 am

The water takes a while to come through in the showers accordong to the truckdriver

Well yes, but they provide a lovely almond scent one can enjoy while waiting for the water pressure to ramp up.

bons
bons
November 8, 2023 8:34 am

The IDF is claiming that the much promoted Indonesian Hospital of Gaza is a HAMAS operations centre.

The claim is quite probably correct.

The Indons are doing what they do best – confected outrage.

It brings back memories of the almost daily outbursts from the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs sponsored Suharto regime.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 8, 2023 8:35 am

Wayne Harmes was out of bounds

Nobody needs reminding of that. It is front and centre of the national consciousness.

Dot
Dot
November 8, 2023 8:36 am

PS

I am starting a GoFundMe page to rescue Dutchsinse from the reptoids using giant dogs.

Buy me a coffee!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 8, 2023 8:37 am

Hamas’s Gaza leader Yahya Sinwar has been ‘isolated’ in his bunker, Israel’s defence minister said as he confirmed IDF troops are in the heart of the terrorist’s ‘stronghold’, Gaza City.

War cabinet minister Yoav Gallant said in a televised statement that the Hamas leader ‘is hiding in his bunker and is without contact with his associates,’ but did not disclose where Sinwar’s bunker is located

I do hope they keep it proportionate.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 8, 2023 8:37 am

What I’ve learned since the attacks on Israel: people don’t deem Jews worthy of solidarity and empathy – Paywalled

Supporters of the Black Lives Matter movement or Ukraine’s war against Russia appear not to care about the Oct 7 massacres

DANNY COHEN

Amonth ago today, the terrorist group Hamas launched a barbaric attack on the people of Israel. I have learnt an awful lot since that murderous day. I have learnt so much that it has changed the way I see the world and made me wonder whether things will ever be the same again.

I learnt that massacres of Jews for no other reason than they are Jewish can still happen. That pogroms did not end in the 20th century as I had come to believe.

I learnt that Jews could experience a level of barbarism at the hands of their enemies so extreme that it is hard to process. Families burned to death in their houses. Children murdered in front of their parents. Women raped before being killed. Kidnappings. Beheadings.

Unspeakable cruelty.

I realised that this genocidal barbarism had not ended with the fall of the Nazis in 1945. It could be repeated with a sinister contemporary twist, the kidnappings and butchery streamed live on Facebook for the world to see.

I learnt that the Jewish pledge of ‘‘never again’’ after the Holocaust did not come true. That it could happen again. That it had.

And I learnt that many people just didn’t care.

That as it was Jews being massacred it could be overlooked and ignored. That it was somehow different. That silence and apathy could again feed the poison of Jew hatred as it had done in the 1930s.

I watched as just days after the massacres in Israel a group of well-known entertainers calling themselves Artists for Palestine spoke up for the people of Gaza but had no empathy to extend to Jewish people.

For some reason they forgot to even mention the murder of 1,400 Jews and the kidnapping of hundreds more.

I discovered that the terrorist attacks of Oct 7 were somehow different from the Black Lives Matter movement or the plight of Ukraine and were not worthy of solidarity or remembrance, whether that be in student unions or at Wembley Stadium.

Out on the streets of Britain, I learnt that anti-Semitism is alive and well.

I watched as tens of thousands marched in opposition to Israel, a country still burying its dead and searching for its kidnapped children.

Masked men called for jihad against Jews. Genocidal chants rung out in central London.

I wondered where these people were during recent Middle East conflicts when lives were being lost in the Syrian civil war or the battle to destroy Islamic State.

We did not see them on the streets en masse then.

Their vitriolic anger seems solely focused on the Jewish State, their protest a statement of anti-Semitism as much as a call to support the innocent in Gaza.

Talking to friends, I heard racist horror story after racist horror story, right here in Britain. The poster of kidnapped Israeli children defaced with Hitler moustaches. Threats and intimidation on university campuses. The toxic waste of social media overflowing with anti-Semitism. Jewish people in our country taking unprecedented steps to protect their safety and that of their children.

British Jews must carry on

I should also say that amidst this rude awakening there have been sparks of light, reasons for optimism and gratitude. I have seen the UK Government stand up firmly against terrorism and support Israel’s right to self-defence. I have watched President Biden stand by Israel and warn off its enemies. I have been moved to tears by messages from many non-Jewish friends, expressing sympathy, support and solidarity.

Now, the question that really matters is what should I and other Jews do with all we have learnt? What can we take from this rude awakening other than pain, sorrow and grief? Should we be fearful? Should we hide? Should we make plans to travel, just in case? If we did, where would we go?

To these questions I have a very clear answer. What I have learnt in the month since the Hamas attacks has left me very certain of how we must respond.

British Jews must proudly carry on our Jewish life. We must not be intimidated. We should not live in fear. We must stand up to prejudice wherever we see it. We must take the hands of our non-Jewish friends who support us and work with them to ensure that anti-Semitism does not prevail.

The Jewish people have been here before – not once, not twice but countless times.

The Jewish people have been here before and got through it. And we will get through it again.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 8, 2023 8:37 am

good to see more Gazans taking advantage of the opportunity to move south.

Worst. Genocide. Ever.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 8, 2023 8:39 am

Finally got my thesis finished. Its on the achievements of Anal Luigi. The title is “How I made TLS look good”. Only started it last night, seemed pretty easy. Spent 5 minutes on google and as I thought, no results for Luigi’s achievements. Where’s my Phd and I want to be treasurer. I’m as qualified as Dim Chalmers now except for the big ears.

bespoke
bespoke
November 8, 2023 8:39 am

Rex wrote the best explanation of why the rembering the Holocaust is so important that iv read in long time.
I also miss his snipits of Mil history.

A good guy.

shatterzzz
November 8, 2023 8:39 am

My spare phone is on Optus via amaysim, and it’s dead.

Mine’s thru Amaysim .. msg in top corner, “emergency calls only”

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 8, 2023 8:41 am

Imagine how different Australia would be if the student migration boom kicked off 20 years earlier instead of the inordinate amount of Religion Of Peace chappies since the 1980s.
We’d have a lot more Indian & Asian tax payers, mostly secular.
And a lot less a group that is disproportionately on welfare for life.

shatterzzz
November 8, 2023 8:43 am

Updating my W11 8gb laptop .. fortnight since last update been 2 hours now & still a way to go ….
No idea what “cumulative updates” are but …. duuuuuuuuuuh!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 8, 2023 8:43 am

Knuckle Dragger

Nov 8, 2023 8:35 AM

Wayne Harmes was out of bounds

Nobody needs reminding of that. It is front and centre of the national consciousness.

Ted Potter, Channel Seven’s footy director back in the day, was one of the pioneers of CGI.
Hmmmm.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 8, 2023 8:44 am

I do hope they keep it proportionate.

That would entail raping him and burning him to death.

Indolent
Indolent
November 8, 2023 8:45 am

It’s still coming at us like a freight train.

Bill Gates ‘Digital IDS’ Will Be Mandatory To Participate in Society

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 8, 2023 8:47 am

Later on I’ll post on the Saudi/Israel trade deal and feedback what the Chinese are really saying on Albo’s visit.
I need to do some work & the brain is moving a little slowly than usual for some reason.
Probably the after effects of the EMP that Dot mentioned up thread.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 8, 2023 8:48 am

Dutchsinse has been silenced by Big Seismology.

Vicki
Vicki
November 8, 2023 8:50 am

Husband & I recovering from the “lurgy”. Husband first contracted it in a fleeting visit to help a mate selling a vintage car. Mate was recovering from something. Presented as a pretty awful cold at first. Then he passed it on to me. Was feeling pretty awful & returned to Sydney & attended on of the new specialist emergency clinics where they have all the gear to do every test known to man.

I was told I had a mild pneumonia (what?) & they put me on intravenous antibiotics for 3 days. Having been in pretty excellent health for years I was shocked. But even more so when PCR came back as Covid positive! This was in spite of 2 RATs showing negative.

Dr at centre said this is “going around.” I dare say most people think it is a cold & even if they use RAT test – it is not showing Covid.

The long & short of it is this latest strain ( if that is what it is – called Pirola?) is a doozy. Unfortunately being on intravenous couldn’t empty the usual bag of tricks – Quercetin, aspirin, anti histamines etc) until the hospital drugs finished. Anyway – both of us have taken aroun 3-4 weeks to emerge from it. Bloody hell.

Worries me that Geert can den Bossche may be correct – you shouldn’t vaccinate during a pandemic – because it creates immune escape & increasing virility of the pathogen. So – even being unvaccinated does not protect you – though might increase your resistance – even in seniors. Dr said my body was working at 140% against the bloody thing.

Anyway – hopefully now got antibodies against future variations – but who knows how it works? Bloody Chinese & Wuhan!

bons
bons
November 8, 2023 8:54 am

The Israelis who were so brutally kicked out of Gaza by their goverrnment during its withdrawal idiocy must be experiencing uncontrollable fury at the moment.

It was Israel’s Abbott moment.

NEVER MAKE CONCESSIONS TO THE LEFT OR TO MUSLIMS.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
November 8, 2023 8:56 am

The Israelis who were so brutally kicked out of Gaza by their goverrnment during its withdrawal idiocy must be experiencing uncontrollable fury at the moment.

What would Sharon think of his Gaza policy today.

Vicki
Vicki
November 8, 2023 8:59 am

News item saying outage is the biggest in Oz history.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 8, 2023 9:00 am

Indolent
Nov 8, 2023 8:46 AM

Nolte: Migrant Pressure Forces Germany to Rename Anne Frank Daycare Center — Report

That’s disgusting. It confirmed my opinion that many people have no innate moral sense and think being moral is just following the rules given by the zeitgeist.

It’s grounds for deporting the complainants.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
November 8, 2023 9:00 am

Zelensky is now grenading his own military leaders

Sometime soon Ukrainians will start to blame “The Jew Zelensky”.
Like those signs that say business will be conducted as usual under the new management.

Indolent
Indolent
November 8, 2023 9:01 am
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 8, 2023 9:02 am

Cassie of Sydney
Nov 8, 2023 8:24 AM

WTF is happening in London where war memorials are be de-poppied?

WTF is happening is that we are witnessing a cultural and religious Islamic coup d’etat, nothing more, nothing less, aided and abetted by leftist scum. Happened in Iran in 1978.

Cassie,

it is also happening in Turkey – My Iraanian Friends in UK & OZ look fondly back on their Parents Time under the Shah – They despise the Mullahs & the Iran Religious Police and when they go back – at private parties, they all wear western gear & dance to western music

Kemal Atatürk, (Turkish: “Kemal, Father of Turks”) (born 1881, Salonika [now Thessaloníki], Greece—died November 10, 1938, Istanbul, Turkey), soldier, statesman, and reformer who was the founder and first president (1923–38) of the Republic of Turkey.

He modernized the country’s legal and educational systems and encouraged the adoption of a European way of life, with Turkish written in the Latin alphabet and with citizens adopting European-style names.

To stand on the beach at Anzac Cove and look up towards Lone Pine and then go to the Lone Pine Cemetary & Read Ataturk’s Words

Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives … You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours … You, the mothers who sent their sons from faraway countries, wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.

Since then Erdogan has been dismantling Ataturk’s Secular Turkey &mimposing a Religous Islamic Turkey, not to the benefit of Turkey – Ihave noticed the change since vsiting a number of times in early 90s, to 2010 & latest 2019

Today as the Economist said after the May 23 Turkey Election

Party allegiances die hard in Turkey, and identity politics trumps inflation. Mr Erdogan’s performance in the second round 52.2%, was a mere 0.4% worse than his performance in 2018, and a 0.4% improvement on 2014.

Divisions are increasingly entrenched:

between bigger cities, where support for Mr Kilicdaroglu 47.8% is higher, and the countryside, which votes mostly for Mr Erdogan; between secular and religious; and between the country’s western coast and the Anatolian interior (see map).

A chance to repair Turkey’s democracy and its economy has been lost.

The opposition promised to dismantle Mr Erdogan’s executive presidency, a blueprint for one-man rule; to release at least some of Turkey’s political prisoners; and to hand back power to nominally independent state institutions, and to parliament.

Mr Erdogan has no such plans. He has already ruled out releasing Selahattin Demirtas, the former leader of the pro-Kurdish HDP party, who has languished in prison since 2016 on trumped-up terror charges. “Such a thing is not possible under our government,” he told supporters during a victory speech on May 28th.

Part of the crowd responded by calling for Mr Demirtas’s execution.

Of the powers Turkey’s president retains, none has been more advantageous to his own political interests and more harmful to the health of his country’s economy than his control over the central bank.

By bringing interest rates down way below the rate of inflation, Mr Erdogan has offered borrowers free money and continued to prop up growth, which reached 4% year-on-year in the three months to March. By burning through billions of dollars each week to defend the exchange rate, the bank helped Mr Erdogan avert a currency crisis ahead of elections.

The bill for such policies is starting to come due. The bank’s net foreign reserves are now negative for the first time since 2002. Including swaps with local lenders and foreign countries, they are estimated to be over $70bn in the red. With elections out of the way and its coffers depleted, the bank’s defence of the lira appears to have slowed. In the three days since Mr Erdogan’s victory, the currency has lost nearly 4% of its dollar value. Unless Turkey’s leader reverses course, the currency will continue to plunge.

Gabor
Gabor
November 8, 2023 9:02 am

Indolent
Nov 8, 2023 8:48 AM

Holocaust Survivor Vera Sharav, Now Put on”Wanted“ list by German Prosecutors for Speaking the Truth.

That was interesting, I think the authorities are drawing a long bow there.

Indolent
Indolent
November 8, 2023 9:03 am
Indolent
Indolent
November 8, 2023 9:04 am
P
P
November 8, 2023 9:04 am
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 8, 2023 9:07 am

Flat white, one sugar please.

Indolent
Indolent
November 8, 2023 9:09 am
OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 8, 2023 9:10 am

This RBA rise will consolidate voters’ negative mood

That this move up was widely anticipated by the market won’t alter the deeply unpleasant shock for millions of households.

Jennifer Hewett – Columnist

It wasn’t supposed to be like this so early in Michele Bullock’s tenure as Reserve Bank governor.

Until recently, she had been expected to escape the opprobrium heaped on her predecessor, Philip Lowe, following the bank’s need to repeatedly raise interest rates under his stewardship.

The four-month RBA “pause” since June had been considered to be probably, preferably, of indefinite duration. That would have echoed the position of most other central banks around the world despite their still stern rhetoric about being prepared to raise rates again if required.

Instead, the “sticky” inflation in Australia, particularly in the price of services, hasn’t followed this convenient timetable.

Treasurer Jim Chalmers made it clear last week he didn’t agree that Australia’s higher than expected quarterly inflation figures represented any “material” change in the outlook.

Bullock and the RBA board, along with most market economists and the International Monetary Fund, have come to a different conclusion.

Chalmers couldn’t use the adjective “independent” often enough when he appeared within minutes of the bank’s decision to raise the cash rate by 0.25 per cent to 4.35 per cent.

The bank was doing its job, and he was doing his, he insisted – one which is “distinct but complementary”. He still appreciates that RBA independence comes at immediate political cost.

That this move up was widely anticipated by the market won’t alter the deeply unpleasant shock for millions of households.

It will undoubtedly further badly damage fragile consumer confidence and household spending with uncertain effects on the broader economy given the delay in the full impact of rate rises.

The RBA under both Lowe and Bullock still expressed a willingness to do whatever it takes to bring inflation back to the target range of between 2 and 3 per cent by late 2025. By the time of its meeting this month, the RBA board clearly judged this schedule was at risk.

‘More persistent than expected’

According to the governor’s monthly statement on Tuesday, the prices of many services are “continuing to rise briskly”.

“Inflation in Australia has passed its peak but is still too high and is proving more persistent than expected a few months ago,” she said.

“The board judged an increase in interest rates was warranted today to be more assured that inflation would return to target in a reasonable timeframe.”

Some big bank CEOs may have been expressing blithe confidence in the resilience of Australian consumers and their ability to adapt to another rate rise.

This won’t be any comfort to many households already struggling to meet big mortgages or small businesses facing super tight or non-existent profit margins.

The Labor government will also feel the reverberations of spreading pain. Chalmers repeatedly blamed the price of petrol as the primary driver of inflation at the moment.

But his rationale that Australia’s inflation is largely due to factors exported from overseas is no longer so persuasive.

Likewise, the RBA regularly points out that the people who are worst hurt by inflation are those from lower income households who can least afford it.

That neat economic equation still doesn’t account for the burden of finding the extra thousands of dollars since May last year now required to service a large loan.

These households are not usually among the customers thronging, even mid-week, to all those crowded high-end restaurants in Sydney and Melbourne.

Most are not contributing to still surging international travel or other forms of discretionary spending.

They are certainly not asking the government to boost demand and inflationary pressures, on rents in particular, by allowing immigration to rise to record levels of more than 500,000 a year.

Does that mean house prices, along with rents, will keep rising despite the rate jump?

Who knows?

Government subsidies

The treasurer again quoted Bullock’s recent comments to a parliamentary committee that budget settings were “good”, “enough” and “helpful” by returning most of the increased tax and export revenue to the budget bottom line.

He naturally argues that inflation would also have been much worse without increased government subsidies in areas like childcare and power bills and healthcare. The Labor mantra is that all of these measures have been carefully targeted to ensure they don’t add to inflationary pressures.

“We are doing our bit when it comes to addressing this inflation challenge,” he said. “Rolling out cost of living relief that puts downward pressure on inflation …

“We have got the budget in better nick, and we’re investing in energy and skills and housing as well.”

But this assurance won’t ease steadily increasing public sentiment that the Labor government is not doing enough to counter the rising cost of living, with life getting harder rather than easier. Another rate rise will consolidate that negative mood.

Anthony Albanese will return to Australia later this week promoting the economic benefits to flow from an improved relationship with Australia’s biggest trading partner as well as from a strengthened economic alliance with its major security partner.

But Labor strategists are keenly aware many traditional supporters are demanding more of a domestic focus from this government – one that also won’t take years to show the promised results in just those areas like housing, skills and power prices.

Bullock repeats the unemployment rate is expected to rise gradually, although only to around 4.25 per cent, less than previously forecast.

The board’s sharpest message though is, as usual, in the last paragraph of the statement, including its “resolute” determination to return inflation to target.

That means, the bank says, continuing to play close attention to developments in the global economy, trends in domestic demand and the outlook for inflation and the labour market.

The government will be watching the polls even more closely.

Rabz
November 8, 2023 9:12 am

Fauda, like Idiocracy, has become a documentary.

Indolent
Indolent
November 8, 2023 9:12 am

President Trump shocks judge with game-changing document pulled from his pocket…

The first comment –

I hope I never get hauled in for paying off a loan on time, in full and according to all agreed upon terms.

JC
JC
November 8, 2023 9:14 am

Economist story header

In bold

Donald Trump looks terrifyingly electable

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 8, 2023 9:19 am

Yes Please – Canadian PM Justin “Castro” Trudeau would approve – could not think of a nicer place

Why Israel wants to dump Palestinian refugees on a Western nation

An early plan leaked from the Israeli government suggests Canada as a possible final destination for those displaced by the Gaza war

By Rachel Marsden, a columnist, political strategist, and host of independently produced talk-shows in French and English.

Israel’s Intelligence Ministry has come up with a creative solution for dealing with those displaced by the Gaza conflict, of which there are an estimated 1.4 million and counting: Go west — all the way to Canada.

As Gaza residents were being directed by Israel to clear out and move towards the southern border with Egypt – while the IDF pelted the northern part of the enclave, where most Hamas forces are reportedly concentrated, with missiles – one of the big questions some of us asked was where over 2 million Palestinians would possibly go.

Thanks to a leaked Israeli government document, dated October 13 and published by Israeli news site Sicha Mekomit, there’s now some insight into what at least some Israeli government officials have been floating.

This paper, which Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office says presents “initial thoughts” that won’t be considered until the war is over, envisions the refugees heading to Egypt first.

But, because Egypt has previously refused to absorb Gaza residents, it may ultimately just end up being used as a staging ground for their mass relocation to other countries.

The proposal is for Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates to at least provide financial support for this mass displacement, if not offer to take in some refugees themselves, either in the short or long term.

But the real kicker is that one particular Western country – way over on the other side of the world from the conflict – is singled out for its “lenient” immigration policy, making it a place where Israeli officials figure the displaced Palestinians could feasibly be resettled.

And that country is Canada.

Because despite its strict points-based immigration system that selects for potential newcomers based on their skills and education, Canada still clearly has a reputation for being a refugee welcome mat – even though today’s reality is a far cry from this perception.

Not that our big-mouthed Canadian officials have helped. “To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada,” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau tweeted in January 2017, in reaction to then-US President Donald Trump’s executive order banning refugees from a list of Muslim countries.

But it wasn’t long before Trudeau had to send out members of his own administration to explain to these same migrant communities that his tweets were a bit more obtuse than official policy.

Nor does the image of Canada as a freeloader’s paradise jibe with real life upon arrival in the country.

By 2019, Canada had welcomed nearly 60,000 Syrian refugees amid the US-backed regime change war against President Bashar Assad. Images abound of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau handing out winter jackets to arriving families at Toronto’s Pearson airport. “You’re safe at home now,” Trudeau told them.

That was back in 2015. Just four years later, some provinces had ditched all aid for immigration and refugee programs and just 24% of male and 8% of female refugees from Syria had found employment, according to government data.

As a Canadian who still spends considerable time in the country, it’s not uncommon to hear from school teachers about how many Syrian children are struggling to integrate into schools and are displaying considerable behavioral troubles.

For every feel-good success story, there’s also one about Syrians returning back to their home country now that the situation there has stabilized with Assad still in power and the US having moved on from intervening in Russian-allied Syria to doing the same over Ukraine.

If Syrians aren’t faring too great in Canada, and are struggling with the end of the initial generous government assistance, then what hope is there for those from Gaza who have spent their lives under blockade?

“Some 50 per cent of students (aged 5-17 years) do not achieve their full educational potential, meaning that the psychological impact of hostilities has led to a deterioration in learning outcomes, and difficulties in reading and writing,” according to the United Nations.

Even among Canadians born and educated in Canada and gainfully employed, there are those struggling to survive with inflation and the current cost of living. And because of Canada’s ongoing housing crisis, with rent and mortgages out of the reach of much of the working class, 44% of Canadians in a recent survey now feel that there’s too much immigration to the country.

So it goes without saying that Israel never bothered asking Palestinians if they want to be displaced to the other side of the planet from their home, but clearly no one in Israel has asked Canadians how they feel, either, about the possibility of serving as a dumping ground for their ethnic cleansing efforts in Gaza. Because, if they had, they’d have realized that Canada was already full.

So, who gave them that idea? Did they come up with it on their own? Or is someone in Trudeau’s government actually suggesting that it’s a realistic scenario?

Rabz
November 8, 2023 9:21 am

Douglas Murray has indicated he has lost all patience with islam and moozleys. Very interesting to hear him in the Triggernometry interview (linked last noght) stating he’s happy to dox various hamarse and iranian imbeciles. Hopefully he’s got sufficient personal security.

Like him, I no longer want to share a planet with moozleys.

Humanity has indulged the stinking monstrous insane evil totalitarian collectivist idiotology of islam for way too long and for no acceptable reasons whatsoever.

It must be extirpated. Enough.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 8, 2023 9:28 am

Ancona – The Doric City 4 Mins 40 Secs– a fabulous view of Ancona via Google Earth

Am going to have to download Google Earth

Capital of the Marches Region, lies on the promontory of Monte Conero directly facing the sea. Founded by the Greeks, the city experienced remarkable development when the Emperor Hadrian extended the then-small port, long of great strategic importance for the traffic across the Adriatic.

Among its principal monuments are the Cathedral of San Ciriaco, with its white and rose marble façade. The Cathedral dominates the city from the heights of Guasco Hill, where the city’s Acropolis was built (and the remains of which are evident today). Be sure to see the National Archaeological Museum of The Marches, preserving relics from the Iron Age and from the civilizations that peopled the Adriatic coast; as well as the 11th-Century Church of Santa Maria della Piazza, originally in the Romanesque; Trajan’s Arch, built in the year 115 by Apollodoro da Damasco; and the Mole Vanvitelliana, a military construction designed by Luigi Vanvitelli in the 18th Century. The Roman Amphitheatre (1st Century A.D.) is a splendid Roman remnant, with thermal baths in its annex; the baths feature breathtaking mosaics with various epigraphs.

Much of the Province of Ancona composes part of the Conero Regional Park, characterized by sprawling evergreen woods and Mediterranean maquis, by cliffs jutting out high above the sea, beaches accessible on via water, and a countryside still pristine but rich in the local fruits of the land – including lavendar, honey, olive oil and citrus. Certain spots within the Park should be mentioned, particularly Portonovo, evocative and highly-frequented attraction, for its forests in the vicinity of the beaches, and for its ancient monuments.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2023 9:32 am

Tom at 4:08 – Stiglich nails it.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2023 9:37 am

This blog is off the pace.

Yes. It has been noted. On a number of occasions now. Take a number and wait for it to be called.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2023 9:40 am

Janet Albrechtsen gives St Michael of Wesfarmers a well deserved kicking in today’s Paywallian. Red Fred in the C suite.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
November 8, 2023 9:42 am

Wayne Harmes was out of bounds

Nobody needs reminding of that. It is front and centre of the national consciousness.

Collingwood won the Free Kick count that day by 54-37. Cry me a river.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 8, 2023 9:42 am

Stripping terrorists of citizenship will likely increase risks
george williams george william

12:00AM November 8, 2023
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The High Court’s decision to restore the citizenship of convicted terrorist Abdul Nacer Benbrika was straightforward and unsurprising. The court enforced the separation of powers to hold that a minister could not impose additional punishment on someone convicted of an offence.

This upheld the constitutional requirement that the courts, and not our elected representatives, adjudge guilt and punish people for their crimes. The decision is welcome in striking down an unfortunate law that never should have been enacted. The law should be replaced with a more principled and effective way of combating terrorism.

Parliament changed the Australian Citizenship Act in 2015 to permit the stripping of citizenship from people involved in terrorism. The laws were deeply controversial and provoked strong disagreement within the Coalition cabinet.
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A key concern was that the laws could be struck down by the High Court for transgressing the role of the judiciary.

The government nonetheless adopted the reckless course of enacting the laws in the face of an almost certain, and likely successful, constitutional challenge.

One part of the law applies to dual nationals convicted of terrorism and sentenced to jail for three years or more. It permits the minister to revoke the Australian citizenship of that person where the minister is satisfied they have repudiated their allegiance to Australia and it would be contrary to the public interest for the person to remain a citizen.

Benbrika is an Algerian-Australian citizen convicted in 2008 of serious offences including being a member of a terrorist organisation. He was sentenced to 15 years imprisonment. Before his release, the home affairs minister cancelled his citizenship in 2020.

Benbrika successfully challenged this in the High Court, meaning the law has been struck down and he is again an Australian citizen. The decision follows another High Court case last year the struck down a different aspect of the law. The cases send the clearest possible signal that the government needs to go back to the drawing board.

The government might restore the power to strip citizenship by conferring this on a court rather than a politician. This could cure the separation of powers problem and enable the revocation of citizenship for terrorists, and indeed any other person convicted of a serious crime. This, though, would be the wrong course. Stripping a person of their citizenship is more about symbolism and gesture politics than preventing terrorism. The tactic is ineffective and potentially counter-productive, and should be abandoned.

There is a good reason few countries revoke the citizenship of terrorists. They have recognised that cancelling citizenship does not deter terrorism or make the world safer. In fact, it can increase the global threat by placing dangerous people outside the reach of monitoring and control by domestic law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

ASIO has warned of this, saying: “In a globally interconnected world, the location of an individual offshore as a result of citizenship cessation will not eliminate any direct threat they pose to Australian (or other) interests overseas.” The agency also made clear that depriving a person of their citizenship “will not prevent their reach-back into Australia to inspire, encourage or direct onshore activities that are prejudicial to security, including onshore attacks”. The threat to Australia may actually increase because: “In some instances, citizenship cessation will curtail the range of threat mitigation capabilities available to Australian authorities.”

In the case of Benbrika, the loss of his citizenship could mean his deportation to Algeria. Australian authorities would be left with little capability to monitor him and seek to prevent any action he might take against our people or interests. It also could increase the risk of terrorism in Algeria, which lacks the same resources to manage the threat. The net effect might be to increase the risk of terrorism worldwide. Citizenship stripping also risks a tit-for-tat response. Foreign nations have responded to like laws by acting first to strip a person of that nation’s citizenship to frustrate use of the law.

Other nations also might follow Australia’s lead by revoking the citizenship of their own dual nationals who have been convicted of terrorism. This could lead to dangerous offenders being deported to Australia, just as we are seeking to do to other nations. The result could be an increasing number of countries exporting terrorist offenders and a souring of relations between nations.

The High Court has done Australia a favour by striking down laws that represent a serious misstep in the fight against terrorism. Rather than being reinvented as a court-based process to strip citizenship, we should combat terrorism with strong measures that are more effective and less harmful to international co-operation.

Successive governments have championed policies and laws that arm our agencies with extraordinary powers to combat terrorism, including control orders, warrantless searches and covert surveillance. These should be the focus of the fight, rather than a counter-productive gesture to strip Australians of their citizenship.

shatterzzz
November 8, 2023 9:42 am

Shopping at Woolies this morning and “homebrand” bacon $12 kg .. gone up a $1 each week over the past 3 weeks from $9 kg ..
Woolies helping fight inflation .. LOL!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 8, 2023 9:43 am
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 8, 2023 9:45 am

Coll
22 minutes ago
I’ve lost a lot of respect and have little faith in lawyers and Judges these days. They are desperate for their industry to have more power and influence wherever possible. I prefer democracy and having our elected officials making decisions in our and Australia’s best interests.

shatterzzz
November 8, 2023 9:46 am

News item saying outage is the biggest in Oz history.

Great advert for the “cashless” society tho .. LOL!

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2023 9:47 am

The Climate Council (remember them?) wheels out The Little Reef that Could for another go round. Naturally The Green-Left Radio (now Half) Hour formerly known as AM couldn’t resist the siren sound.
https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/am/report-shows-oceans-being-transformed-by-climate-change/103076738

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 8, 2023 9:49 am

JC re https://www.economist.com/united-states/2023/11/07/donald-trump-looks-terrifyingly-electable

Those who eschew predictions based on early polls and instead place stock in fundamentals—like the president’s approval rating and the state of the economy—should also be concerned.

Although he has the benefit of incumbency, Mr Biden’s net-approval rating is -16 points, according to a polling average by FiveThirtyEight, a data-journalism outfit.

That is essentially identical to Mr Trump’s standing at this point of his presidency and five points behind Barack Obama (see chart).

And despite the administration’s attempt to make Bidenomics a rallying cry rather than a pejorative, 55% of Americans say that the economy is getting worse, according to tracking polls conducted for The Economist by YouGov.

“Bidenomics has been a complete failure,” wrote Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles, Mr Trump’s campaign managers, in a memo to supporters released on November 5th.

Their campaign plans to hit the current president on the cost of petrol, groceries and housing. Because of inflation, real wages are down by about 1.4% since Mr Biden took office in January 2021 (which is why Mr Biden prefers to talk about wages relative to pre-pandemic levels in January 2020).

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2023 10:07 am

Separation of powers is all that keeps democracy (basically) functioning. Learn to love it.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 8, 2023 10:08 am

ARB Earth Camper vs Tvan specs battle: Did ARB just build a ‘prettier’ Tvan, or is it a different beast?

Where are they made?

Tvan is an Australian company that designs and manufactures its products in Australia. 80% of the materials used to build the Tvans are purchased in Australia from Aussie suppliers.

ARB’s Earth Camper is designed and developed in Australia but built in ARB’s Thailand factory.

The verdict

There is an obvious price difference between the two, but both still sit in the ‘top-level off-road camper’ pricing territory. However, it’s important to note that we have compared Tvan’s top model, the Murranji (starting at $101,560) with the ARB Earth Camper (starting around $74,500), which currently only has one model. Once you add in the extras to the ARB Earth Camper that are included in the Murranji, such as diesel hot water and heating, a pocket spring mattress, the ability to draw water from an external source and more, we’re starting to meet somewhere closer in the middle.

So…did ARB just make a prettier Tvan? No, they did not. What they did was take a great concept and build on it, making it better and more innovative. And isn’t that the way design works? From the larger bench space (that remains available while cooking), more water capacity, and a dust suppression system to the built-in 180-degree awning, ARB base rack and a brand-spanking new tubular chassis design, If you’ve got over $75K to drop on an off-road camper trailer, I’d be leaning towards the ARB Earth Camper.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2023 10:11 am

I prefer democracy and having our elected officials making decisions in our and Australia’s best interests.

Yeah that’s great until you get 3 years of Gillard or Albo. Sure you can throw them out but that might be too late. Not just the Liars – Robodebt anyone?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 8, 2023 10:14 am

Has the Optus CEO turned up to the office yet?
Or is she still doing that life balance thingy?

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2023 10:15 am

Love ARB. Remember looking at the share ages ago when they were 20c or something. Oh well …

Real Deal
Real Deal
November 8, 2023 10:15 am

The 1979 VFL Grand Final was the only GF I’ve ever watched.

Rene Kink always reminded me of a VFL version of rugby league’s Les Boyd. Similar vintage and similar attitude.

  1. Twice a day. If i ever hear the theme song I’m instantly transported back to my grandparents tiny country cottage…

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