Open Thread – Wed 8 Nov 2023


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alwaysright
alwaysright
November 8, 2023 5:30 pm

I just upticked a JC comment.


End of the world, human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!.

JC
JC
November 8, 2023 5:32 pm

feelthebern
Nov 8, 2023 5:26 PM

Then, there was the heffer with the huge nose ring. You could’ve stuck a bell on it.

Did she at least make a good coffee?

Yeah, she did. Bern, I’m not exaggerating, it’s perfect.

I used to go across the street to Joe and the Juice, but Aroni’s is better.

Look, I head there for coffer each morning so I can sneak in a cig on the way as wifey is still in her jammies and I won’t get caught out. The coffee then covers the cig odor on the way back.

alwaysright
alwaysright
November 8, 2023 5:32 pm

Just wait for Gramps to shuffle off stage left?

Why wait when there is mushroom stew?

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 8, 2023 5:35 pm

Meanwhile in a city of incompetence:

Australian icebreaker Nuyina’s 4km trip to refuel in Hobart turns into a 660km journey to Burnie that costs taxpayers nearly a million dollars

and…

Liberal senator Jonathon Duniam also called for a solution to the issue such as bringing a fuel barge to Hobart, an option previously ruled out by TasPorts.

Or a nice big tanker on wheels – the sort that fills up petrol stations?

Daily Mail

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 8, 2023 5:35 pm

Hate to break it to you JC, but your wife knows you’re smoking.
You can not hide the smell.

Rosie
Rosie
November 8, 2023 5:35 pm

The YouTube linked by shatterzzz was very interesting.
Hamas on the offensive, if it’s a bit sticky for IDF they call in an airstrike, the terrorists die or retreat underground.
As Israel advances it finds and seals tunnels, there doesn’t to be any indication that they are chasing them down them.
I wonder if they have a rough idea of where hostages are, maybe under Shifa?
Will it end up as a seige?
Did any of the experts predict how quickly the IDF would advance?

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 8, 2023 5:40 pm

I see that FatBoy had crawled out from under his rock.

Has he been out punching Nazis? It has been a target rich environment for that, with tens of thousands of Nazis parading openly in the streets.

Of course not, those are not the Nazis he has been looking for.

Instead, he is celebrating the killing of babies.

JC
JC
November 8, 2023 5:40 pm

Bern

I hate to break it to you. She doesn’t. She’s always telling people how I haven’t smoked for about 3 years now. Proudly so. It’s 3 or 4 a day and I’m careful.

Look, it’s not fear but I can’t go through the torture of a woman trying to bend you to her will with all the manipulation bullshit. And then there’s the sullen silence. Always better to lie to females about stuff like this as they don’t want to know the truth. The prefer being lied to. That’s my experience.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 8, 2023 5:42 pm

What’s your brand?
You’re not smoking menthols are you?

JC
JC
November 8, 2023 5:42 pm
JC

Here, B&H lights, and in the US Merit Blue

Tom
Tom
November 8, 2023 5:43 pm

This bodes well for a bit of wet stuff.

Considering that sometimes it doesn’t arrive in the Top End until Christmas, are locals predicting an early wet season?

Tom
Tom
November 8, 2023 5:44 pm

The above directed at Knuckle Dragger.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
November 8, 2023 5:44 pm

John H.
Nov 8, 2023 5:08 PM

They are now facing a housing crisis that is driving rents to new highs so even working people are struggling to find accommodation. Ya think that might be something worth complaining about and why they have to move back in with their parents?

Or that the inflation surge is easily outpacing wages growth so they are falling behind. Or that up to 20% of residential purchases are cash down by the older set driving up both rents and house prices.

Should they do as Panahi stated a couple of years ago : they achieved nothing and should shut up.

Attitudes like that echoed by Boomers and the current economic climate make them angry. I don’t blame them because it is the older generations that have created these problems.

Rosie
Nov 8, 2023 5:19 PM

Boomers aren’t running the government and they aren’t importing 600,000 migrants per annum and allowing wealthy foreign nationals to buy in in an already overcrowded market.

And people like Matthew Bach think pushing geriatrics out of the leafies will give people like him a foot in.

No, just about every house sold is going to wealthy new Australians.
If you don’t have at least two million, don’t bother.

John H & Rosie,

My Wife & I were discussing this Generational Problem last night

Not one of our Grandchildren has worked whilst at School & none who have finished High School, have worked on completion of Exams

Both My Wife & Myself worked while we were at school, as our parents were poor

My wife is the only one in her family to have got past the Intermediate Certificate let alone onto Uni & on completion of Leaving Certificate exams was put out to work by her Dad

Myself, the day after my final Leaving Certificate Exam, my Italian Classmate and I lined up at WaterBoard Depot under TV Tower Willoughby Road at 0645 & were trucked to worksite to begin Jack Hammering deepening Sewage Tunnel under Bahai Temple Chatswood – Gum Boots issued and standing in Shit and No Ear Plugs

After cleaning up, caught Bus into town for Qantas Cadet Pilot Application at 1700 same day – Failed as Badly Colour Blind

Wife & I engaged at 18 for her, 20 for me and we bought a block of land together at Frenchs Forest – when after being married and posted to Melbourne bought 34 Sq M 1 Bedrn Apt at Harbord in 1968 (could swing a cat and hit all 4 walls) Rented it out and Negative Geared.

1st Time overseas was on posting in 1970 when 25 years old.

Forget the $2 Million property, young people need to think outside the box and look at places like Mackay – $275K for 2 Bedrm 2 Storey No Common Walls Townhouse 121 Sq M Internal, 194 Sq M external Centre of town rented $430 pw – 10% dep and negative gear

Even in Sydney, Wife has been looking at Studio Older Block North Sydney car space for less than $500k

We have tried to convince Youngest Live in Daughter to do this with her Husband and telling Grandkids to look at the Mackay type location of investing to get 1st Foot in door

Delta A
Delta A
November 8, 2023 5:49 pm

Cassie admitted upthread that she and all Jews of her acquaintance are dazed, devastated and disoriented after the vicious Hamas terrorist attack. Understandably, she has a permanent lump in her throat. A brave statement, exposing her vulnerability. And – you guessed it – Monty jumped in, deriding her and belittling her despair.

Such savagery. Such cowardice.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 8, 2023 5:50 pm

Very wily JC.

m0nty
m0nty
November 8, 2023 5:51 pm

Which is where Hamarse (pig’s arse) are hiding underneath, in the tunnels or storing arms. The Israelis would be freaking crazy not to kaboom those places

If you believed that ridiculous Israeli propaganda video about an extensive Hamas base under a hospital, complete with a meeting room with no doors, you’re a fool JC.

The thing about the Geneva Conventions is you don’t get to whine “aww Muuuum he started it” and earn a free pass. They are there for good reason: to protect civilians and prevent genocide.

Hamas are evil and ruthless. Don’t be like them.

Winston Smith
November 8, 2023 5:51 pm

ZK2A:

Do the atrocities committed by Hamas come into the equation?

No they don’t, obviously. Which is why I downloaded the photo/videos at the link you provided.
I intend posting them back at Munted when he claims they didn’t happen in 6 months time, because you know damn well that he will.

P
P
November 8, 2023 5:51 pm

It’s 3 or 4 a day

Then she has every right to feel proud. At 3 or 4 a day I don’t consider you a smoker.

Congrats for getting it down to 3 or 4.

Frank
Frank
November 8, 2023 5:52 pm

The coffee then covers the cig odor on the way back.

Nothing covers the smell. She is probably doing some reverse psychological ju jitsu on you trying to make the guilt kick in every time she tells people how you gave up.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 8, 2023 5:54 pm

Considering that sometimes it doesn’t arrive in the Top End until Christmas, are locals predicting an early wet season?

The proper Wet, complete with monsoonal bursts of 100mm+ for days at a time won’t generally turn up until mid-December.

However, there are usually runs of storms prior to that starting mid-October that cool things down a bit as well.

Last year we had 154mm in October. This year – 0. If anything, the Wet’s a bit late.

They’re predicting the first big storm run over the weekend. Now that Hector’s warming up, that is well and truly on the cards – and not before time.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 8, 2023 5:55 pm

Re the diabetic episode & the car crashing into the Victorian pub.
Something is not sitting right about it.

Chris
Chris
November 8, 2023 5:57 pm

Hamas are evil and ruthless. Don’t be like them.

Or accept lies from people who #like them.
Like that statement you called a yes/no question, but smuggled a huge, totally false premise into.

JC
JC
November 8, 2023 5:57 pm

Cassie admitted upthread that she and all Jews of her acquaintance are dazed, devastated and disoriented after the vicious Hamas terrorist attack. Understandably, she has a permanent lump in her throat. A brave statement, exposing her vulnerability.

Delta, we have quite a few Jewish friends, and in fact, most are. To a man and woman, they’re absolutely mortified at what’s been going on. Cassie’s reaction is no different to how they feel. They send us texts and emails that sound like they’re almost justifying their existence. And I/we tell them that they’re preaching to the converted. I tell them that the vast numbers of people have very positive thoughts towards Israel and that will never change.

Quite honestly, this is something we’ve never experienced before. The depression and fear in this community must be extraordinarily high at the moment. So incredibly undeserved.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2023 5:58 pm

Hamas are evil and ruthless. Don’t be like them.

Yes, Monty. Have you considered following your own recommendation?

Lefties need mirrors in the same way that vampires don’t.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2023 6:00 pm

The window into Monty’s soul on this thread has been really quite illuminating. All the jocular pretense stripped away.

Megan
Megan
November 8, 2023 6:00 pm

Israel actively sought to save the lives of ‘Palestinian’ women and children, thus preserving their moral authority before they started this necessary exercise in pest control.

Israeli soldiers, 20 and 21 year olds, are dying every single day because Israel has chosen to conduct a ground war with very specific targets rather than turning Gaza into glass or a pile of rubble. Which it would be fully entitled to do after October 7th without breaking international law.

Israeli soldiers are actually dying to protect Palestinian civilians.

You are a monstrous excuse for a human being if you cannot see what despicable atrocities was done by the very people you are supporting.

There are no civilians in war. If you don’t want civilian casualties then you don’t choose terror against your civilian neighbours as a weapon to get your own way. Screaming blue murder when that neighbour fights back.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 8, 2023 6:01 pm

Go neck yourself you fat freak.

Jock
Jock
November 8, 2023 6:01 pm

The optus outage only took us back to 1970. When the electricity grid goes down because of renewables it will take us back to 1900. Oh what fun to live in such a modern country.

Anders
Anders
November 8, 2023 6:01 pm

Hamas may be evil ruthless baby slaughterers and rapists but they’d never stoop to putting their tunnels under schools or hospitals, they have some standards. Yeah right.

Megan
Megan
November 8, 2023 6:01 pm

You…being Hamas supporter Monty.

Winston Smith
November 8, 2023 6:05 pm

Old Ozzie:
Similar. Bought a 2 bedroom unit in Manly Vale. Filled it up really quickly.

Rosie
Rosie
November 8, 2023 6:05 pm

Daylesford crash driver has made an interesting choice of legal representation.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2023 6:05 pm

an extensive Hamas base under a hospital

Monty, you are really thick. I knew about this at least a decade ago. It’s been widely reported over and over. Hamas aren’t stupid, only evil.

Figures
Figures
November 8, 2023 6:06 pm

Which country has any kind of moral authority Monty? Does any country have the right to exist? Which ones?

Real Deal
Real Deal
November 8, 2023 6:08 pm

BoN. Have had a minor disagreement or two, but you’re kicking goals today. Well said upthread.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 8, 2023 6:09 pm

Unless the chap was newly diagnosed with the diabettess (h/t Patrice O’Neal) it’s really odd that his management regime was so poor.

Lee
Lee
November 8, 2023 6:10 pm

The president of Accuracy in Media, Adam Guillette, who is known for deploying “doxxing trucks” to Ivy League schools involved in pro-Palestinian controversies, had his residence searched by a team of heavily armed SWAT officers in the early hours of Friday.

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1718006982890643809

JC
JC
November 8, 2023 6:11 pm

If you believed that ridiculous Israeli propaganda video about an extensive Hamas base under a hospital, complete with a meeting room with no doors, you’re a fool JC.

I haven’t seen the video and have no knowledge of it, but I’d also find it credible because those fcking snakes have no limits and no limits should be how they should be treated. Sticking a baby in an oven, a son calls his dad, crying with joy that he’s killed 10 Jews, and then the mother gets on the phone, congratulating the pig son and wishing she was there with him. Yeah, the way I feel, I would have zero sympathy if they all perished. Let me know if you want a copy of a video of a group of men cutting a child out of a pregnant woman’s stomach and slapping her in the face to stop her screaming. If all 2 million of them perished, I couldn’t give a shit. I wouldn’t be dancing on the street, but I’d feel nothing for these evil pigs.

The thing about the Geneva Conventions is you don’t get to whine “aww Muuuum he started it” and earn a free pass. They are there for good reason: to protect civilians and prevent genocide.

It’s war, and in war, every single war crime is committed. That’s what happens in war.

Hamas are evil and ruthless. Don’t be like them.

I’m not, as I wouldn’t throw an innocent little baby in an oven, nor would I commit other horrors against innocent people.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 8, 2023 6:12 pm

Our electricians, the ones we always call and who have done some major rewiring for us, are Jewish. They know how we feel about Hamas and when they came today for just a small they can’t do enough to help us. Yes, the young one in particular, the apprentice, is taking the Oct 7th attacks hard. He’s particularly concerned about the intelligence failures that allowed Oct 7th. He’s determined though that the IDF should finish the job, not give in to presures for a ceasefire. It’s only the end of the beginning, he says, knowing that the job will be long and harrowing. His parents are still in Israel, but not in the war zone, although unspoken is the idea that only one zone is where danger lurks when the whole idea of Israel is under attack.

m0nty
m0nty
November 8, 2023 6:13 pm

The window into Monty’s soul on this thread has been really quite illuminating. All the jocular pretense stripped away.

Yeah I dunno Bruce. I am arguing against genocide. By both sides. By any side.

Meanwhile, multiple Cats are openly calling for genocide by Israel.

What is more revealing?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 8, 2023 6:14 pm

just a small job

The young fellow stayed for quite a while trying to solve a water leak problem for us that was affecting the electricals. He didn’t have to do that.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 8, 2023 6:15 pm

Any diabetic Cats have “episodes” that result in them losing consciousness?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2023 6:16 pm

Yeah I dunno Bruce. I am arguing against genocide.

By arguing for genocide.

Yep, that’s how the Left works. Every single time.

You need to do a bit of self examination son, it ain’t looking good from my viewpoint.

Tom
Tom
November 8, 2023 6:16 pm

Meanwhile, multiple Cats are openly calling for genocide by Israel.

Links, please.

Rosie
Rosie
November 8, 2023 6:17 pm

If you believed that ridiculous Israeli propaganda video about an extensive Hamas base under a hospital,

Monty hasn’t been keeping up.
Idf have been engaged in a fire fight with hamas who were inside the Indonesian hospital which was built in 2010 over a pre-existing above ground hamas centre.

article here.

JC
JC
November 8, 2023 6:19 pm

Unfortunately a Jewish friend sent me some videos of the unspeakable evil that was committed. I swear to God, there’s nothing that’s ever impacted me the way these vids have. I will never watch them again (just once) but I’ll never erase them either. I cannot get these images out of my head. It’s actually depressed me and I’m not prone to depression or stuff like that. What happened isn’t human.

m0nty
m0nty
November 8, 2023 6:19 pm

I’m not, as I wouldn’t throw an innocent little baby in an oven, nor would I commit other horrors against innocent people.

Justifying genocide by declaring there are no civilians on the other side is literally a Nazi move, JC.

Muddy
Muddy
November 8, 2023 6:20 pm

Ah, we have an h@m@s-adjacent guest present.

Tunnels under at least one of the hospitals were present & explored by Israelis (at least partly) in 2014.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 8, 2023 6:21 pm

Daily Mail.

Pauline Hanson slams Bruce Lehrmann’s alleged rape victim: One Nation leader launches extraordinary Senate spray at unidentified woman – as she claims ‘public lynching of men has become a national sport’

Pauline Hanson revealed new details about the charges

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2023 6:23 pm

Firstly, there is NO genocide in Gaza being done by the IDF. The Jew hating pervert apologist is engaging in moral equivalence which shows us just how obscene he is. However there is one side that wants genocide and that is the side that chants “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”.

We know which side Monty sits on. He should stick to punching Nazis…that would mean he’d have to punch himself.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2023 6:23 pm

Real Deal – disagreement is like oil on cogwheels.

In Monty’s case it is a fundamental problem not a disagreement, his house isn’t built upon the rock. The Left still suffers from the sin of Adam and Eve in Gen 3:5.

Rosie
Rosie
November 8, 2023 6:24 pm

Forget it JC.
Monty will just claim they were performing an emergency caesarean and trying to keep her calm because they didn’t have time to give an anaesthetic.
No way hamas have tunnels under hospitals.
It’s just schools, playgrounds and mosques.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 8, 2023 6:25 pm

Anyone else’s convection microwave blow up with depressing regularity?

Over the years we’ve had tthree Sharp machines, each of them costing around $900. (They’re great to cook with, says Mrs TE) Each lasted fewer years than its predecessor. The last Sharp barely saw two years in and became “unfixeable” after two months in the shop.

18 months ago Hardly Normal came to the party and gave us the top-of-the-line LG. It carked it last night with sparking, refusing to play, and throwing a circuit breaker.

Choice surveys and so on are all very well but it appears there’s little out there that measures long-term reliability.

JC
JC
November 8, 2023 6:25 pm

Justifying genocide by declaring there are no civilians on the other side is literally a Nazi move, JC.

Nazi are and always were the ones who instigated the evil, so I am perfectly okay with what the allies did to the Nazis and the rest of the Axis Pact, such as massive bombing raids.

As I said, I have zero feeling for the Palis. I’m not advocating wholesale murder, but the Israelis have to do what they have to do in order to try and prevent this happening again.

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2023 6:27 pm

And nobody has ever said that there aren’t any civilians in Gaza.

My God our resident pervert apologist is disgusting. Good that he’s come out of the closet though….a full blown Nazi.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 8, 2023 6:27 pm

From the fat fascist fool:

“widespread and systematic”

These words do not mean what he thinks they do.

“I answered that in the affirmative last time I was here, ”

Eleven words to avoid using the single word “Yes”. Gutless worm.

“refugee camps”

“Camps” that consist of multistorey reinforced concrete buildings. Idiot.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2023 6:28 pm

Monty thinks The US committed genocide in Iwo Jima, Saipan, and Okinawa.

No son, they were carrying out the requirements of declared war. The Knesset declared war on 8 Oct. Hamas, if they have a brain between themselves, should therefore surrender unconditionally, as the Japanese did. It is telling that Hamas’s atrocities were actually worse than Japanese forces committed.

Keep digging kiddo, I’m sure you’ll get to Gaza if you shift enough dirt out of your hole.

Winston Smith
November 8, 2023 6:29 pm

Lee:

The president of Accuracy in Media, Adam Guillette, who is known for deploying “doxxing trucks” to Ivy League schools involved in pro-Palestinian controversies, had his residence searched by a team of heavily armed SWAT officers in the early hours of Friday.

I’m curious about how they knew his door lock code.

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2023 6:29 pm

Time for Monty the Jew hater to pass off.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 8, 2023 6:29 pm

Meanwhile, multiple Cats are openly calling for genocide by Israel.

I have not seen this, M0nty. I’ve seen people supporting the IDF in minimising civilian casualties while still recognizing that in war there will be deaths called ‘collateral damage’, as happens in ALL wars. This is warfare that was declared on the basis of an inhuman and provocative attack, part of a Hamas strategy that now needs an end-game. War involves killing and being killed. Genocide is what Hamas is calling for – the obliteration of a people based on their location and ethnicity. The IDF is doing the opposite of intentional obliteration, shepherding civilians out of Gaza city against Hamas’ opposition to this. Hamas uses civilian non-combatants as human shields. There has been plenty of discussion here about what Hamas’ does that is against any rule of war, and what is ‘proportionate’ in response to their ongoing threat of violence.

I hate it too, M0nty, the destruction and killing, but until Hamas is destroyed Israel will know peace. After that, I am hopeful that the terrific young middle-class teens from Hebron whom I sat next to and had fun with on the way back from Rovaneime in Finland (where they had been on a ski trip) will represent all of the Palestinian youth in some future settlement where Jews and Arabs can both have decent economies, with their lives not blighted by Islamic fundamentalism.

Lee
Lee
November 8, 2023 6:31 pm

They haven’t bombed humanitarian corridors, that was Hamas, who’re desperately trying to prevent the people refugeeing out to the safe zones.

In fact observers, some of them even pro-Palestinian, have been deeply shocked at seeing Hamas killing their own people trying to flee Gaza, so they can use the bodies as propaganda to blame Israeli.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 8, 2023 6:31 pm

oops, that should read Isreal will know NO peace (until Hamas is destroyed)

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 8, 2023 6:32 pm

“If you believed that ridiculous Israeli propaganda video about an extensive Hamas base under a hospital, …”

Sucked in by Hamarse, appropriate since you have a fat (pig’s) arse.

Rosie
Rosie
November 8, 2023 6:34 pm

I hear you TE.
My next microwave is going to be from kmart.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
November 8, 2023 6:34 pm

By Montys definition the allies committed genocide when they advanced through Europe and into Germany during WW2. Palestinians have been supporting or putting up with Hamas for over 15 years. The parallels with what happened to the Germans and what is now happening to the Palestinians is very similar. The allies never gave advanced warning on when or what they would bomb. You could say that the Israelis are being much nicer.

John Brumble
John Brumble
November 8, 2023 6:35 pm

In Sydney in 1988 the population was 3.55 million.

It was noted, at the time, that a shack in the western suburbs on smallish block cost about $220,000. I’ll be really generous and say it was Smithfield or Fairfield, rather Penrith, but it damn well was Penrith. It certainly wasn’t Parramatta.

In today’s money, that’s a $572,000 house, 32.6km from a city with a population of 3.55m.

Collingwood Park is a suburb in the greater Brisbane area, 31.7km from the CBD.

You can get a four bedroom, large square footage house on 700m2 in Collingwood Park for just over 500k.

Don’t give me this bullshit about how parents of today’s home-buyers had it better.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 8, 2023 6:36 pm

FMD what a time to drop in for a look. The fat khunt speaketh.

Rosie
Rosie
November 8, 2023 6:36 pm

Monty is going to go to Gaza and show us where the hamas underground headquarters really are.
It’s a place called Somewhere Else.
It’s not as if they haven’t boasted and boasted and boasted about their Gaza metro.

WolfmanOz
WolfmanOz
November 8, 2023 6:36 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Nov 8, 2023 6:29 PM
Time for Monty the Jew hater to pass off.

More than that he should be permanently banned for his foul anti-semitism – I am so fvcking over this evil person polluting this site.

Rosie
Rosie
November 8, 2023 6:37 pm

Why would you compare Sydney with much smaller Brisbane?

cohenite
November 8, 2023 6:38 pm

This liar government is stark raving mad; it’s brains have been totally absorbed by green shit. Not content with turning off electricity they are determined to ruin agriculture. Even the banks have come out in support of this madness:

Westpac sets zero-deforestation target for livestock farm lending

Mining and agriculture provide over 80% of Australia’s export income. These rats are genuinely fuking mad.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 8, 2023 6:39 pm

Fat fascist fool

“Yeah I dunno Bruce. I am arguing against genocide. By both sides. By any side.”

But, strangely, you have focused only on one side.

Try to make your lies believable.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 8, 2023 6:39 pm

And this leads us to the most damning part of this false equivalence. Hamas regards its civilians as expendable. It places its command control personnel where civilians are, often underground beneath hospitals and refuges. This is the game it plays, so its apologists can scream that Israel is guilty of war crimes. It is a deliberate tactic to win the propaganda war and on balance, it has been extremely successful, contriving unconfirmed body counts.

From “Jack the Insider”, at the Oz.

Winston Smith
November 8, 2023 6:40 pm

feelthebern

Nov 8, 2023 6:15 PM
Any diabetic Cats have “episodes” that result in them losing consciousness?

The docs here would have a better handle on this than me, but hypoglycaemic attacks usually go through a fumbling/dropping /quite uncoordinated stage that last several minutes before a fit. I can’t see someone driving normally in that stage. A hyperglycaemic is usually too damn crook to get behind the wheel of a car in the first place.
Honestly, knowing what we do – which is bugger all – the sudden speed up sounds horribly like a fit. What causes the fit is something else again. It could be an undetected brain lesion, a fall the previous day and a slow bleed with pressure on the brain. So many things can go wrong and with no warning.
I’d be still waiting for medical results and diabetes doesn’t really fit the story.

Rosie
Rosie
November 8, 2023 6:42 pm

Hamas terrorists were making a “last stand” in a hospital in northern Gaza on Tuesday night in a showdown witnessed by a Telegraph reporter.

Israeli warplanes, tanks and infantry cornered the last remains of a 1,000 strong battalion of the terrorist group’s forces holed up in the Indonesian Hospital and a nearby school.

The fierce fighting came as Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, said that Gaza was now “surrounded” and vowed that the operation would continue “to the end”…Pointing to the plumes of dust rising about 2km to the south, Lt Col Blick said fewer than 100 Hamas fighters were taking shelter in the Indonesian Hospital, the last survivors of a thousand-strong unit.

“They fought when we came in but folded after a day. Their command lines were cut. Now, where you can see the dust rising, in the hospital, they are making their last stand,” he said.

I suppose that’s another 900 for the genocide total.

here’s the article about Hamas in the Indonesian hospital. If the IDF secure it soon I guess we’ll find out if it’s sitting on top of terrorist infrastructure.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 8, 2023 6:44 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 8, 2023 6:45 pm

Anyone else’s convection microwave blow up with depressing regularity?

The K-Mart cheapo ones I’ve brought for my two older boys have lasted well. There is not a lot to go wrong. When they’ve rusted inside due to lack of cleaning and the turntable has cracked I don’t blame the manufacturers!

More expensive ones are a problem though. The free-standing SMEG microwave/convection oven in our fairly recent kitchen reno a couple of years ago is already puffing and groaning and throwing disco on-and-off lights at us when it’s being used. An inbuilt one, another SMEG, in the renovation we did in an investment apartment was never any good; it was far too complicated in its menu-driven electronics to use, and the tenants there finished it off within a year stabbing away hopefully at the display screen till it collapsed in a final agony of being frozen on high.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2023 6:48 pm

And this leads us to the most damning part of this false equivalence.

A bit of that about this arvo.
All coming from one orifice.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 8, 2023 6:53 pm

Thanks Winston.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 8, 2023 6:55 pm

In Australia as my second home news, apologise if posted:

Pacific Island leaders have made a bid to Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to curb fossil fuel projects amid a growing rebellion in the region calling on Australia to end more coal and gas projects.

The pushback has been seized by the Greens to attack the PM domestically as he jets off overseas.

In his first bilateral meeting at the Pacific Islands Forum, Mr Albanese met with Tuvalu Prime Minister Kausea Natano at Rarotonga in the Cook Islands.

Speaking after the meeting, Mr Natano said the issue of fossil fuel projects was “an issue that we are working with Australia (on) to get them to assist because fossil fuel is the main contributor to global warming,” he said.

In the lead-up to Mr Albanese’s arrival, former Tuvalu PM Enele Sopoago said the Pacific Nations should not “rubber stamp” Australia’s bid to host the next UN Climate conference — a key election pledge — until fossil fuel projects are stopped.

But on Tuesday, Mr Natano said he felt Mr Albanese had a sense of “urgency” in his response to climate change and he would support his bid to co-host COP.

In the meeting, Mr Albanese acknowledged that Tuvalu was on the “frontline of climate change”.

“It’s (climate change) impact is felt most acutely in island states. My government was elected with a platform on acting on climate change. I look forward to working with you in the interest of both our respective nations but also in the interest of the globe.“

Mr Natano said it was his duty as the leader of a nation that could go underwater to do everything he can to prevent climate change.

“Thank you so much for this opportunity. We have had a lot of time in this beautiful country. I look forward to our discussion.”

Pacific Elders’ Voice, a group of former leaders across the region, are calling for pacific island nations to delay their support of Australia’s pursuit of a 2026 UN climate conference until the government “stops approving Pacific-killing coal and gas projects”.

It’s understood Mr Albanese affirmed Australia’s support for Tuvalu’s Long-Term Adaption Plan and commitment to help Tuvalu adapt in practical ways to sea level rises.

The pair also discussed their priorities for the PIF Leaders’ meeting including regional cooperation and the importance of unity among the Pacific Island nations.

Mr Albanese also met with Kiribati president Taneti Maamau, vowing to support the nation’s “acquisition of a second patrol boat, because we understand that our region’s security is something that we need to look after in the Pacific family.”

Kiribati has switched its diplomatic allegiance from Taiwan to China to 2019.

In addition to spruiking the benefits of the controversial Pacific Labor Mobility Programme, Mr Albanese used his second meeting to again double down on his commitment to climate change support.

The PM rounded off his first day at the forum with a meeting with Cook Islands prime minister Mark Brown — wooing him with a South Sydney Rabbitohs jersey to thank him for hosting the forum.

Greens leader Adam Bandt said Australia was walking “into a big climate fight”.

“The Greens support calls from the Pacific for Labor to stop subsidising coal and gas and to stop opening new coal and gas mines,” Mr Bandt said.

“Leaders, former leaders and Pacific civil society organisations are making clear that Labor shouldn’t host the global climate summit until it stops pushing for more coal and gas.”

Mr Bandt accused Mr Albanese of walking in with coal in each pocket.

“Albanese risks becoming a Pacific pariah like Scott Morrison if he keeps backing more coal and gas.”

In opposition, Energy Minister Chris Bowen promised Australia will bid for the next COP to be co-hosted with the pacific if it wins government.

“Seeking to host COP with those Pacific partners who wish to co-host it with us will be an excellent opportunity to remind the world about the issues at stake and enable our Pacific brothers and sisters to make their case to the world in a most direct way,” he said at the time.

Lol those Pacific ‘leaders’ strongarming the useless PM of this country. And Bandt. But watch Albo speak again from both sides of his arse. On one cheek, he will utter platitudes about the need to stop these projects to appease Pacific ‘leaders’, the other cheek saying those projects are vital to Australian interests. FMD.

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2023 6:59 pm

Anyone else’s convection microwave blow up with depressing regularity?

Check that you have the required clearance around the machine and no chopping boards, recipe books, etc. occupying that space that obstruct the air expelled by the fans.

Overheating can cause the magnetron to fail.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
November 8, 2023 6:59 pm

Re the diabetic episode & the car crashing into the Victorian pub.
Something is not sitting right about it.

It seems certainly plausible to me. I’m not diabetic, but SWMBO has been insulin-dependent for over 30 years, so I have a fair bit of domain experience!

My guess is that he had a hypo, and that he thus “zoned out” as it were. He then realised he was in trouble – “woke up”, if you will – and went to hit the brake, but hit the accelerator in error.

Hypos are not linear, and are very difficult for diabetics to self-detect once they get past a certain level. When they start to get low, they can certainly feel that, but then, as they drop lower still, that detection seems to drop away entirely.

SWMBO is an outstandingly well-controlled diabetic, but every now and then it catches her out too. Maybe once a decade or so. The last time, only 18 months or so ago, she told me she was just fine (they can get a bit bolshie in denial when they are really low) and I was actually following her across the room with a sweet drink in hand when she again told me she was just fine, then collapsed.

The description in the Hun seems all too possible and entirely tragic.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 8, 2023 7:00 pm

Andrew Bolt taking leave of his senses:

Polls suggest the Coalition could actually – surprise! – win the next election.

But it needs a reshuffle to make it electable, and that includes bringing back Scott Morrison.

Yes, you may laugh. Morrison has been scapegoated by his own party since the election loss, but people forget he was a fine Immigration Minister, and he stopped the boats.

Won’t link the whole thing.

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2023 7:00 pm

“Albanese risks becoming a Pacific pariah like Scott Morrison if he keeps backing more coal and gas.”

Funny how the PI’s never complain about Xi’s China.

Razey
Razey
November 8, 2023 7:01 pm

Cashless makes even more sense after 1/2 the country going down today.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 8, 2023 7:01 pm

I cannot get these images out of my head. It’s actually depressed me and I’m not prone to depression or stuff like that. What happened isn’t human.

Today I saw a woman carrying the dearest little baby, about three months old, as I was driving by a school in Bondi Junction where security is considered necessary now. She had another child, a little girl of about four, walking beside her holding her hand.

This sight just about did me in as I was driving by. I suddenly imagined this woman’s child with a forearm chopped off before she was murdered, her mother raped and the sweet little baby, sheer human defenselessness, crushed or burned in unimaginable flesh-searing ways. I felt sick to my stomach. These things are affecting us all.

Lee
Lee
November 8, 2023 7:02 pm

Those silly Demonrats eh monty?

Rashida Tlaib would fit in extremely well with Mehreen Faruqi and the other terrorist supporting Greens who have shamed themselves this week.

Lee
Lee
November 8, 2023 7:04 pm

Yes, you may laugh. Morrison has been scapegoated by his own party since the election loss, but people forget he was a fine Immigration Minister, and he stopped the boats.

Except that the initiative came from Tony Abbott.

Razey
Razey
November 8, 2023 7:06 pm

it means that one of Optus’ routers has likely been fed incorrect routing information in an update, leading to total network gridlock.

These IT genius’s design a billion dollar comm’s system with a single point of failure? LOL

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 8, 2023 7:07 pm

SWMBO is an outstandingly well-controlled diabetic, but every now and then it catches her out too. Maybe once a decade or so. The last time, only 18 months or so ago, she told me she was just fine (they can get a bit bolshie in denial when they are really low) and I was actually following her across the room with a sweet drink in hand when she again told me she was just fine, then collapsed.

Mark, I have had very similar experiences with my Big Sis, who for many years has been a Type 1 insulin-dependent diabetic. She gets more bolshie than usual when a real hypo is setting in, lol. Mostly, she has her diabetes under control, but as you say, bad occasions can still happen. We don’t know whether this accident entailed one of them or not though. As Winston says, could be many other things.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 8, 2023 7:08 pm

Pacific Island leaders have made a bid to Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to curb fossil fuel projects

Translation:

curb fossil fuel projects = give us more money or let us live in your place
powerful woman = desperate for an excuse for letting a telco (or whatever) fail
proud aboriginal man = give us money or you’re a racist
aspiring rapper = was on parole but nearly got off it

Winston Smith
November 8, 2023 7:09 pm

feelthebern

Nov 8, 2023 6:53 PM
Thanks Winston.

That’s cool – I think the docs who post here would have a much better idea of the other probable causes, I’m just thinking out loud more or less.

cohenite
November 8, 2023 7:10 pm

Rub and tug in the pacific islands doshing our hard earned to the climate change grifters. Once again their fuking islands have had no effect from climate change as even the BOM notes. And the abc even agrees there is no threat to the grifters.

But facts don’t matter to alarmists like this idiot:

Former Australian diplomat Gregory Andrews is seven days into a hunger strike outside Parliament House and claims he won’t quit until Australia has a timeline to stop exporting fossil fuels

Send the dumb fuk over to chunk land; they’ll stick him into one of their 1000 odd coal power plants.

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2023 7:14 pm

Except that the initiative came from Tony Abbott.

And it was executed by the ADF & border security.

Morrison apparently hated it.

cohenite
November 8, 2023 7:16 pm

Tuvalu sea level graph from 1993; no rise at all:

http://www.bom.gov.au/ntc/IDO70056/IDO70056SLI.shtml

Rub and tug calls Tuvalu climate change central.

MatrixTransform
November 8, 2023 7:17 pm

And yes, Hamas should release their hostages and I condemn their ongoing terrorism

which of course the mUntard would never utter out loud anywhere but here

mUnty, grow some cohones and stand up at a pro-palestine march and say it

use a loud-hailer

or are all your best gestures empty ones?

MatrixTransform
November 8, 2023 7:19 pm

bespoke!

… snap

Winston Smith
November 8, 2023 7:21 pm

Black Ball:

Kiribati has switched its diplomatic allegiance from Taiwan to China to 2019.

The PM rounded off his first day at the forum with a meeting with Cook Islands prime minister Mark Brown — wooing him with a South Sydney Rabbitohs jersey to thank him for hosting the forum.

And a great big wave goodbye from the Australian people as the Pacific Islanders walk off hand in hand with Premiere 11.
They’ll get patrol boats and fishing factories all right – the Patrol boats will be crewed by Han Chinese and the fishing factories will strip their economic zones of anything edible and leave a great big marine desert behind them.
Then will come the immigrants and the only jobs the Islanders will ever get – waiting on their lords and masters tables, or whoring in their beds.
Good Luck Guys!

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2023 7:26 pm

Rub and tug calls Tuvalu climate change central.

The lies fall from his lips as the spittle does.

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2023 7:28 pm

Then will come the immigrants and the only jobs the Islanders will ever get – waiting on their lords and masters tables, or whoring in their beds.

While the leaders who sold them out – and their families – will retire in comfort to Sydney or Auckland.

Razey
Razey
November 8, 2023 7:28 pm

Former Australian diplomat Gregory Andrews

I bet he’s fully vaxxed too.

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2023 7:33 pm

Tonight I learn that a Jewish man here in Sydney was badly bashed on the weekend in a park in the suburb of Arncliffe, by Palestinians. He has since spent four days in hospital. At the park he had torn down a poster of a planned Palestinian rally, and his punishment for such dhimmitude was to be bashed.

Hey Monty, does that amuse you? Like when women were assaulted in an Auckland Park earlier this year. I clearly recall how you thought that violence in the park was funny, a real hoot, that the women in the park deserved it. You outed yourself, on these very pages, as someone who doesn’t mind a bit of violence, and you get justify your love of violence by smearing those whose opinions you don’t like as Nazis, that makes it all kosher…pardon the pun! Perhaps you think Shani Louk got what she deserved when she raped and bludgeoned to death, then her corpse paraded on the back of a vehicle on a Gaza street, to be spat upon by Gazan children.

Just f*ck off.

Muddy
Muddy
November 8, 2023 7:33 pm

More than 10,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israel’s month-long aerial bombardment of Gaza,

While I do not doubt there have been many civilian* casualties in G@z@, 10,000 bodies would require a decent amount of storage space – morgues, burials/ cremations (I’m unaware of the preferred mode of pre-afterlife transport).

* Are they including h@m@s and p.i.g. casualties in this total?
p.i.g. = P@lestinian Isl@mic Geehad.

MatrixTransform
November 8, 2023 7:34 pm

I am arguing against genocide

mUnty has yet another “dont stop the boats moment”

cohenite
November 8, 2023 7:36 pm

This gregory andrews protestor starving in front of parliament is being interviewed on bolta; the bastard continually lies about fossil subsidies and says his young daughter is right behind him as he starves himself. Bolta is polite to him but finally has enough and hangs up but doesn’t tell him he is mad. And he is mad. It really is obvious that these alarmists are mad. Between them and the mindless support for the pallis by young shit-heads I really believe a sizeable minority of humans are insane.

John Brumble
John Brumble
November 8, 2023 7:36 pm

Good question, Rosie.
Oh wait, not it’s not, the answer is clear from the context.

Go google something else.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2023 7:37 pm

I smell munni. Lots and lots of munni. Chinese munni. Australian munni. Pacific islands may not drown under the rising seas, but under an awesome flood of munni they just might.

bons
bons
November 8, 2023 7:37 pm

I just caught what appeared to be an all in punch up between Bolt and some climate creature.

Did anyone see it? What was it about?

MatrixTransform
November 8, 2023 7:39 pm

Justifying genocide by declaring there are no civilians on the other side is literally a Nazi move

no, you imbecile

I know can’t see it but, it is you that is ‘justifying genocide’

it isn’t a kindergarten sand-pit mUnty where the kiddies keep fighting and you get to play teacher

bons
bons
November 8, 2023 7:42 pm

Sorry, I didn’t see Cohenites report.

Serious relevance deprivation phychosis.

MatrixTransform
November 8, 2023 7:42 pm

our resident pervert apologist is disgusting

his false morality is galling

what utter relativistic soup

Nietzsche wept

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
November 8, 2023 7:42 pm

We don’t know whether this accident entailed one of them or not though. As Winston says, could be many other things.

Indeed it could. But a hypo is definitely plausible and certainly fits with the facts as we (little) know them.

Equally, as someone said miles above, his choice of lawyer is interesting. Amad is not exactly top tier. But reading too much into that is probably also very unwise.

Winston Smith
November 8, 2023 7:42 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Nov 8, 2023 7:01 PM
I cannot get these images out of my head. It’s actually depressed me and I’m not prone to depression or stuff like that. What happened isn’t human.

Today I saw a woman carrying the dearest little baby, about three months old, as I was driving by a school in Bondi Junction where security is considered necessary now. She had another child, a little girl of about four, walking beside her holding her hand.

This sight just about did me in as I was driving by. I suddenly imagined this woman’s child with a forearm chopped off before she was murdered, her mother raped and the sweet little baby, sheer human defenselessness, crushed or burned in unimaginable flesh-searing ways. I felt sick to my stomach. These things are affecting us all.

Hard times Lizzie. Frigging hard times.
Unfortunately we also need to be strong enough to witness these horrors* and collect the evidence so that when the Monty Adjacent deny they ever happened, we can rub their noses in it.
*Not all of us, but enough that the message is firmly ground into their memories.

Razey
Razey
November 8, 2023 7:43 pm

I am arguing against genocide

LOL. If it’s genocide the Jews are doing a shit job of it.

The population nearly doubled between 2000 and 2020 from 1.1 to 2 million

Rosie
Rosie
November 8, 2023 7:44 pm

* Are they including h@m@s and p.i.g. casualties in this total?
p.i.g. = P@lestinian Isl@mic Geehad.

Yes.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 8, 2023 7:46 pm

…one of Optus’ routers has likely been fed incorrect routing information in an update, leading to total network gridlock.

We’re just about to start Halt and Catch Fire, a TV series about the development of small computers and the Internet in the 1980s.

Bit startling when you can remember working on all of that stuff. I had a Commodore 64, an Apple II, an IBM-clone thingie, and that was only over six years or so. My first hard drive was 20mb in capacity, resembled a large book, and made humming noises. Gave lots of derisive laughter when suddenly the WIMP interface came along – but how smart were those boys?

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 8, 2023 7:46 pm

Premiere 11.

Very nice touch Winston

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
November 8, 2023 7:48 pm

bons
Nov 8, 2023 7:37 PM
I just caught what appeared to be an all in punch up between Bolt and some climate creature.

Did he learn to punch this time?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 8, 2023 7:50 pm

Perhaps you think Shani Louk got what she deserved when she raped and bludgeoned to death, then her corpse paraded on the back of a vehicle on a Gaza street, to be spat upon by Gazan children.

Just f*ck off.

Yaaaaas, and if I was an Israeli infantryman in the Gaza strip, I wouldn’t be interested in taking prisoners, or accepting surrenders.

Razey
Razey
November 8, 2023 7:51 pm

cohenite
Nov 8, 2023 7:36 PM
Between them and the mindless support for the pallis by young shit-heads I really believe a sizeable minority of humans are insane.

Not necessarily. Lets say that 1:1000 are the insane. In a country town of 10,000 that would be 10 complete nutters – manageable, especially back in the day.

Now with 8 billion, that would be 8 million nutters who can all band together online and disrupt normal people.

This modern problem is likely a function of extreme population and the internet.

Black Ball
Black Ball
November 8, 2023 7:51 pm

In Peace Of Our Time news, won’t link the whole thing. First 3 paragraphs will give you an idea. Hun:

Two brothers allegedly driven by Islamic State ideology to light fires in the same bushland torched during Black Saturday have been acquitted of terrorism offences.

Ari Sherani, 22, and Aran Sherani, 21, from Epping, were on Wednesday found not guilty of attempting to commit a terrorist act after they doused bushland near Humevale in petrol before lighting it on fire in the summer of 2021.

But the jury found Aran guilty on one count of carrying out acts in preparation for terrorism after he purchased a knife and filmed himself holding it while calling for revenge over the mistreatment of Muslims.

Muddy
Muddy
November 8, 2023 7:53 pm

For those Optus customers who have missed the email during the outage today, the word ‘Genocide’ has been redefined as ‘the consequences of one’s own behaviour.’ That is all.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 8, 2023 7:55 pm

Daily Mail. They breed ’em tough in the Territory.

Farmer survives crocodile attack by BITING the beast in the eye after it dragged him into the water

Northern Territory man fought back against 3.2m croc
Crocodile shook Colin Deveraux ‘like a rag doll’

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
November 8, 2023 7:57 pm

Is Paramotor Monty still here?
Surely after his strafing run he should have landed back in Gaza by now.

miltonf
miltonf
November 8, 2023 7:58 pm

Gregory Andrews- what a disgusting clown show canbra is

Winston Smith
November 8, 2023 8:02 pm

Muddy:

While I do not doubt there have been many civilian* casualties in G@z@, 10,000 bodies would require a decent amount of storage space – morgues, burials/ cremations (I’m unaware of the preferred mode of pre-afterlife transport).

When I was in Saudi in the early 90’s, the poorer dead were just taken out into the desert and chucked in a shell scrape in a shroud.
Only the rich ones got the full treatment.

P
P
November 8, 2023 8:02 pm

Earlier today I read on The Currency Lad of Sol Green
and I wrote a comment there 12 Jun 1926 – The ROMANCE of SOLOMON GREEN. – Trove

His story reminded me of what has been said here a few times, that Jews love life.
Sol Green (1868–1948) loved life and was ‘always proud’ of being a Jew and was associated with the Alma Road Jewish Temple. (From his Biography)

I found it uplifting.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 8, 2023 8:02 pm

AFP refer hate-fuelled Al Madina Dawah sermon to terror squad

Exclusive
By alexi demetriadi
NSW Political Reporter
@ADemetriadi
7:38PM November 8, 2023

The Australian Federal Police has referred a hate-fuelled sermon, revealed by The Australian, to a counter-terrorism squad for ­assessment as security experts criticised the country’s approach to tackling extremism, accusing it of “forgetting basic lessons”.

Legal experts said the sermons – which included language pertaining to Jews being killed and drowned – could also “sail close” to criminality.

On Tuesday, this masthead ­revealed that the cleric who called himself Abu Ousayd and gave a “kill Jews” sermon in Sydney was jihadi preacher Wissam Haddad, an extremist who had ­expressed support for terrorist groups. His defunct al-Risalah Islamic Centre was frequented by men who went on to commit atrocities in Syria, like Khaled Sharrouf and Mohamed Elomar.
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This publication also revealed how another cleric, “Brother Ismail”, had given a sermon at Al Madina Dawah Centre – run by Haddad – which called for jihad.

NSW Police confirmed they were investigating both sermons and an AFP spokeswoman told The Australian one had been “referred to the NSW Joint Counter Terrorism Team for assessment”.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 8, 2023 8:07 pm

I must place on record an apology.

Earlier, I referred to mUnty as a “gutless worm”. Reflecting on this, I recalled that as a student, I dissected a common earthworm. The creature that I dissected had far more guts than the fat fascist fool.

So, for the record, I apologise to all earthworms for the insulting comparison.

Chris
Chris
November 8, 2023 8:10 pm

Yaaaaas, and if I was an Israeli infantryman in the Gaza strip, I wouldn’t be interested in taking prisoners, or accepting surrenders.

Fortunately for me I have never been on active service. Israel’s discipline in the face of provocation is very impressive, and I would face a lot of temptation in their circumstances.

Muddy
Muddy
November 8, 2023 8:11 pm

For any h@m@s-adjacent pervert claiming or believing that the footage of the 7 Oct victims* has been faked, consider the logistics that must have been required to create such a detailed deception. Were those remains pre-fabricated prior to 7 Oct, or built within two of three days afterwards? How many special-effects artists would have been required? Etc, etc.

Yes, it’s a morbid thought, but if something HAS been faked, tell us exactly HOW it was faked, and provide the details.

If you are emoting simply for the sake of it, because you want to feel part of the KillKids, I’d much prefer you shave the back of your head, and use a thick texta to draw a circle at the base of your skull. Your ‘special friends’ will be grateful.

* Aside from the early footage of gunmen shooting up the occupants of a car, I have not seen any of it. After my personal struggles of the last few years (feck you Qld Health and all other Ladies & Lords of Fire; you perverted psychopathic, parasitic vestige of the king of unflushables), I’m sure I could not handle it without a mental malfunction.

bons
bons
November 8, 2023 8:11 pm

Legal experts said the sermons – which included language pertaining to Jews being killed and drowned – could also “sail close” to criminality.

Sheesh! we are F**ked

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
November 8, 2023 8:12 pm

Optus CEO Kelly Bayer Rosmarin has been slammed for proceeding with a glamorous photoshoot at her Vaucluse mansion just hours after the telco suffered a mass network outage across the country.

I….

I….

I… was…

I WAS WRONG.

I was wrong.
Okay?
I was wrong.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2023 8:12 pm

I had a Commodore 64, an Apple II, an IBM-clone thingie, and that was only over six years or so.

I had a second hand Exidy Sorcerer which I expanded from 32k to 48k with a cockroach inserting tool, a C64, a SX64 (which I wrote my PhD thesis on – cool machine!), an Amiga and a Sidecar. My flatmates used to make me bring out my Sorcerer to play games I wrote, one being Dragon Maze (which I saw on an Apple once) and another being five letter Boggle. It was a fun time, but I ran out of steam for programming not long after that.

My brother never lost the interest and has a very serious IT company. But then he never caught the chemistry disease, so there’s that.

Davey Boy
November 8, 2023 8:14 pm

Despite repeated pleas to speak up and condemn, there’s been not a peep from our local Labor federal, state and Council representatives about the hate speech currently emanating from pro-Palestine groups.

By their silence shall these “representatives” be known.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
November 8, 2023 8:14 pm

We’re just about to start Halt and Catch Fire, a TV series about the development of small computers and the Internet in the 1980s.

Bit startling when you can remember working on all of that stuff. I had a Commodore 64, an Apple II, an IBM-clone thingie, and that was only over six years or so. My first hard drive was 20mb in capacity, resembled a large book….

Not seen the show, but the book is a very good account of the time.

“Resembled a large book”?? Looxoory, lad. When I started we ran an insurance company off an 80MB hard drive and 128KB of RAM. Drive was the size of a washing machine and, like many a washing machine, had a tendency to shimmy all over the floor.

Never owned a C64, but cut my programming teeth on an Apple IIe.

Alamak!
November 8, 2023 8:15 pm

one of Optus’ routers has likely been fed incorrect routing information in an update, leading to total network gridlock.

If its the BGP routers for Optus, then this is common attack (ie. 5k to 10k network and DOS attacks a day is fairly normal) which every company like Optus running BGP should monitor and guard against.

Key issue for Optus is not the attack, which is common and known, but the response which was badly managed and poorly communicated.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 8, 2023 8:16 pm

Former Australian Diplomat.

Hahaha – he at best had a job getting cups of tea/coffee for pretend diplomats who had to get tea/coffee for others.

And the hat! Waiting for a child “journalist” asking him to take it off and look at the label (made in china).

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2023 8:21 pm

Former Australian Diplomat.

KRuddy significantly damaged that as a title worthy of respect.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 8, 2023 8:21 pm

“But facts don’t matter to alarmists like this idiot:

Former Australian diplomat Gregory Andrews is seven days into a hunger strike outside Parliament House and claims he won’t quit until Australia has a timeline to stop exporting fossil fuels”

Back in my days of employment, a disgruntled individual threatened to hold a hunger strike in the building foyer. A staff member asked if a chair should be provided.

bons
bons
November 8, 2023 8:22 pm

Liz Storer. Liz, Liz, Liz, marry me.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 8, 2023 8:23 pm

local Labor federal, state and Council representatives

Too afraid of upsetting the voter base?

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
November 8, 2023 8:24 pm

Browsed through Sky News and came onto Chris Kenny.

He’s f*rked.

The Bridge was his nadir.

Won’t be on Sky for much longer.

Roger
Roger
November 8, 2023 8:25 pm

NSW Police confirmed they were investigating both sermons and an AFP spokeswoman told The Australian one had been “referred to the NSW Joint Counter Terrorism Team for assessment”.

Different jurisdictions, but…

Organise a peaceful lockdown protest, have half a dozen police arrest & cuff you in your house in front of your children.

Call for the murder of Jews, get referred to a police committee “for assessment.”

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 8, 2023 8:25 pm

Did he learn to punch this time?

Apparently he took some lessons from a purveyor of the sweet science.

At the ‘Gavelly’ Hotel.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 8, 2023 8:26 pm

Haha, just after I posted that elderly possum lady arrived with her sidecar – well more of a jockey than a sidecar. She got half a slice of bread and young one a morsel.

Today was interesting at the Cafe as a second female koel turned up – one who I’d last seen a year ago. More timid and less brick red colour tints in her head feathers. She accepted a couple bits of mince, and I left it at that because she was pretty scared even though she knew me. Mr Koel calling in his fig tree from 4am is bringing the ladies in! I hope he gets lucky.

And I went for a longer walk on a route I haven’t done for over 6 months. Two sets of local magpies still recognized me instantly and were rewarded. Amazing the hard disk capacity of a magpie, that they can remember single humans for that long.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 8, 2023 8:27 pm

“Razey
Nov 8, 2023 7:43 PM
I am arguing against genocide

LOL. If it’s genocide the Jews are doing a shit job of it.”

About as effective as the Australian “genocide” of the Fifth Nations.

cohenite
November 8, 2023 8:30 pm

Not necessarily. Lets say that 1:1000 are the insane. In a country town of 10,000 that would be 10 complete nutters – manageable, especially back in the day.

Now with 8 billion, that would be 8 million nutters who can all band together online and disrupt normal people.

Fair enough, but we’re quibbling about numbers. The point is a mad, implacable minority can fuk a much larger society. Our society is predicated on people obeying the laws and norms. When enough nutters don’t, especially in relation to a plausible bit of bullshit, the majority are hesitant to react appropriately by bashing the shit out of these retards.

Razey
Razey
November 8, 2023 8:34 pm

Key issue for Optus is not the attack, which is common and known, but the response which was badly managed and poorly communicated.

The ‘work’ from home IT boffins are ‘fixing’ it bro!

cohenite
November 8, 2023 8:34 pm

Liz Storer. Liz, Liz, Liz, marry me.

Piss off; she and Jacinta are mine.

Razey
Razey
November 8, 2023 8:37 pm

Never mind. The Optarse DEI hires are on the case. Be up and running in a few months time.

Chris
Chris
November 8, 2023 8:41 pm

Never mind. The Optarse DEI hires are on the case. Be up and running in a few months time.

Or not.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 8, 2023 8:42 pm

Has anyone bothered to check if mUnty has written about the ME stoush over at his blog? No? Probably a wise decision.

Alamak!
November 8, 2023 8:42 pm

“Resembled a large book”?? Looxoory, lad. When I started we ran an insurance company off an 80MB hard drive and 128KB of RAM.

Knew a guy who wrote a double entry accounting system that fitted on a 5 1/4 inch floppy disk, which got loaded into memory then the other floppy with accounts data was inserted and loaded. Business systems running on 800k of disk.

Tell young coders these days and they won’t believe it.

Razey
Razey
November 8, 2023 8:45 pm

Stoptus CEO while Aus falls apart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Et-chfMdXA

Bluey
Bluey
November 8, 2023 8:46 pm

cohenite
Nov 8, 2023 8:30 PM
Not necessarily. Lets say that 1:1000 are the insane. In a country town of 10,000 that would be 10 complete nutters – manageable, especially back in the day.

Now with 8 billion, that would be 8 million nutters who can all band together online and disrupt normal people.

Fair enough, but we’re quibbling about numbers. The point is a mad, implacable minority can fuk a much larger society. Our society is predicated on people obeying the laws and norms. When enough nutters don’t, especially in relation to a plausible bit of bullshit, the majority are hesitant to react appropriately by bashing the shit out of these retards.

Which brings the question of what that means for society when a government does things like the massive overreach during covid? Laws only really mean anything as a generally accepted societal consensus of right and wrong. When the majority of society are in breach of “the law” does that engender respect for law or not?
As I’ve seen posted on US blogs, laws only really protect criminals and give them a fair trial. When the majority no longer respect laws….

m0nty
m0nty
November 8, 2023 8:52 pm

Links, please.

KD at 5:06 and Megan at 6:00. P

Dot
Dot
November 8, 2023 8:54 pm

Daylesford crash driver has made an interesting choice of legal representation.

Hotman Paris Hutapea?

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
November 8, 2023 8:54 pm

Amazing the hard disk capacity of a magpie, that they can remember single humans for that long.

The gentle movie “Penguin” describes the behaviour of magpies nicely. They quite like humans.

Tom
Tom
November 8, 2023 8:56 pm

Liz Storer. Liz, Liz, Liz, marry me.

Storer is a very sexy girl, but the only way she gets any media oxygen these days is by appearing on dying Sky News shows like Chris Kenny, whose ratings are tanking after he backed the Voice against the rest of Australia, which laughed it out of the national conversation.

Dot
Dot
November 8, 2023 8:58 pm

Apparently he took some lessons from a purveyor of the sweet science.

At the ‘Gavelly’ Hotel.

All Right Tough guy. I know it’s Grravelly. We can meet Up on any Saturday you choose at 9 PM. Do you Want to exchagnen numbers first you Mincing Fool! Plz tell us About Your mILitary expertise!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 8, 2023 8:58 pm

Links, please.

Oh, I’m sure you can find it. They’ve even been posted here, on this august journal of record. The clips were also broadcast to journalists across the world by Israel, if for no other reason than to make sure it didn’t get thrown in the forgettory like every other Hamas atrocity over time.

Surely you wouldn’t have nailed your colours to the mast without doing any form, of, you know, research? Finding things out for yourself before mouthing off about moral authority?

it’s not hard. Find it, you pudgy soulless ranga. Then, and only then, you can run your trap about how Hamas have legitimate grievances.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 8, 2023 9:00 pm

Do you Want to exchagnen numbers first you Mincing Fool! Plz tell us About Your mILitary expertise!

Why you…..

You better not come to the Gvelly Hotel at 8.00 p.m. on a Friday! Pow! Right to the moon, Alice!

Diogenes
Diogenes
November 8, 2023 9:00 pm

“Resembled a large book”?? Looxoory, lad. When I started we ran an insurance company off an 80MB hard drive and 128KB of RAM. Drive was the size of a washing machine and, like many a washing machine, had a tendency to shimmy all over the floor.

For home use I started with a Sinclair zx81, then the Spectrum then a Commodore 64, then the 80286, and then followed the treadmill to my current beast.

After finishing training, my first real program was hand written on coding sheets and the lovely ladies in the lunch room turned it into punch cards. My 2nd or 3 job was to take a program written in the 70s to structure it properly and eliminate the GOTOs ,it was written for when the mainframe had two K ( yes K) of ram. Our first 1GB hard drive was the size of a fridge.being part of the maintenance team I got to take a compaq luggable home. As we were a large IBM sho, and I was then working as a junior tech consultant I was given an AT computer to evaluate. It was out of the first 24 in the country.

When I changed jobs from the mainframe house, I was given a DG1 512k of Ram and 2x 3.5 floppies. We priced a 5mb hardrive $3500 ( 1983 dollars). Traded that for a Toshiba t3100, which looked like a laptop, but no battery

Diogenes
Diogenes
November 8, 2023 9:01 pm

the lunch room

Autocorrupt… That should read punch room.

Gabor
Gabor
November 8, 2023 9:04 pm

Popped in to have a look, almost wish I hadn’t.

What a thoroughly disgusting creature m0nty is.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 8, 2023 9:06 pm

Magpies aren’t good at remembering bears in yellow wheelchairs.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 8, 2023 9:07 pm

“m0nty
Nov 8, 2023 8:52 PM
Links, please.

KD at 5:06 and Megan at 6:00. P”

How does that compare with the numbers marching in the streets screeching things like “Gas the Jews”? And why haven’t you been out there, punching these Nazis? Perhaps because you support their anti-Semitism.

Now fvck off to your own blog, and join the leftard mutual masturbation session, gloating over murdered and raped women and children.

cohenite
November 8, 2023 9:07 pm

Whacky world of fuking islam; one stands out:

Hamas top dog: ‘America’s enemies are getting closer, day may come when they turn America into a thing of the past’

Again the issue is not islam; we know what it is, the real issue is Western leaders allowing them in.

m0nty
m0nty
November 8, 2023 9:09 pm

By Montys definition the allies committed genocide when they advanced through Europe and into Germany during WW2. Palestinians have been supporting or putting up with Hamas for over 15 years. The parallels with what happened to the Germans and what is now happening to the Palestinians is very similar. The allies never gave advanced warning on when or what they would bomb. You could say that the Israelis are being much nicer.

This is a good point, BN. The bombing of Dresden is difficult to justify, analogously to the bombing of Gaza.

The usual utilitarian argument goes that you are saving more lives by killing lesser numbers of innocent people to shorten the war. Skilled orators can make you forget how monstrous that logic actually is.

It’s 2023 and we are still running the bloody trolley problem. I wonder if we will ever move beyond it as a species.

We need a Captain Kirk to meta our way beyond the Kobayashi Maru scenario.

cohenite
November 8, 2023 9:09 pm

What a thoroughly disgusting creature m0nty is.

Dickless is here?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 8, 2023 9:11 pm

Labor by-passing Northern Territory leaders on Indigenous affairs

By paige taylor
Indigenous Affairs Correspondent, WA Bureau Chief
@paigeataylor
7:53PM November 8, 2023

Social Services Minister Amanda Rishworth has moved to compel the Northern Territory government to prove its spending on family violence has been effective as she considers demands for extra money.

The standoff comes as the federal government increasingly chooses to bypass the Fyles government on Indigenous policy by funding Aboriginal organisations directly.

On Tuesday, Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney was in Darwin to announce $1.78m of commonwealth money for night patrols. Instead of providing the money to the Fyles government, the commonwealth has entered a contract with the community-controlled Larakia Nation Aboriginal Corporation to do the work. This is now a preferred way of delivering services under the Closing the Gap agreement signed in 2020.
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Ms Rishworth has responded to the Territory government’s recent public demands for more funding to combat family and domestic violence by accusing the it of blame shifting. The Australian understands Ms Rishworth feels it would be premature to fund new family violence initiatives in the NT without understanding delays in spending money already provided and without knowing whether programs already delivered have been effective.

“Any suggestion the commonwealth is not responding to the situation in the NT does not ­acknowledge the commitments we have made and serves to play politics and indulge in blame-shifting, when all governments should be focused on working ­together,” Ms Rishworth said.

The calls for more commonwealth funding coincide with a coronial inquest into the violent deaths of four Aboriginal women in the NT. Coroner Elisabeth ­Armitage’s investigation so far have found that 83 women have died as a result of domestic violence in the NT since 2000. Of those, 93 per cent were Aboriginal and killed by their partners. Indigenous females living in the NT were 50 times as likely to be hospitalised due to assault compared with non-Indigenous females, ­according to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare.

The Albanese government funds family and domestic violence services in the NT above what the NT would otherwise ­receive on a per capita basis. It has committed $147m for family and domestic violence services in the NT over four years­.

“Not all of that goes to the Northern Territory government – a lot of it is direct funding to ­organisations on the ground. This is a significant investment,” Ms Rishworth said.

“We have also worked with Aboriginal leaders right across this country to develop our first Aboriginal and Torres Strait ­Islander Action Plan, because we know that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women and children are seeing a higher rate of serious incidents which lead to injury. In the most recent budget we put $263m into that.”

Eva Lawler, the NT’s Acting Minister for the Prevention of Family Violence, claimed the territory was not getting a big enough share of commonwealth funding. “Currently levels of federal investment, based on population size – not need – are just a drop in the ocean when it comes addressing domestic, family and sexual violence,” Ms Lawler said.

The Territory’s handling of commonwealth funds has been criticised for years, presenting a conundrum for successive federal governments that recognise the depth of the social crisis.

In October the Central Land Council called for an intervention in the Territory’s public education system after The Australian’s NT Schools in Crisis series revealed a bloated bureaucracy was short changing schools $214.8m a year.

cohenite
November 8, 2023 9:12 pm

The bombing of Dresden is difficult to justify, analogously to the bombing of Gaza.

Fuk off dickless.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 8, 2023 9:15 pm

The bombing of Dresden is difficult to justify,

Dresden was a perfectly legitimate military target – there was an important rail centre there, as well as factories producing arms.

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2023 9:19 pm

I see the Jew hater has returned. We now know, being the good Nazi he is, that he doesn’t mind seeing Jewish men, women and children raped and butchered.

It’s good that it’s out in the open. The scab is off, and the next time the pervert apologist mentions the word “Nazi”, we now know he’s talking about himself…but this has evident to me for a very, very long time.

Here’s a fact, he’s a Jew hating pervert and Nazi apologist.

Arky
November 8, 2023 9:19 pm

The thing about the Geneva Conventions is you don’t get to whine “aww Muuuum he started it” and earn a free pass. They are there for good reason: to protect civilians and prevent genocide.

..
You might want a word in the ear of Hamas on that one.
Article 34 of the fourth convention prohibits hostage taking.
Hamas is, and continues, in absolute violation of the fourth convention while it holds hostages.
Not to mention the illegality of the original attack, which was murder, a crime even in war.

cohenite
November 8, 2023 9:22 pm

Here’s a fact, he’s a Jew hating pervert and Nazi apologist. Who has no dick.

FIFY

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 8, 2023 9:23 pm

Article 34 of the fourth convention prohibits hostage taking.
Hamas is, and continues, in absolute violation of the fourth convention while it holds hostages.

Well said, Arky!

Real Deal
Real Deal
November 8, 2023 9:24 pm

It’s 2023 and we are still running the bloody trolley problem. I wonder if we will ever move beyond it as a species.

We need a Captain Kirk to meta our way beyond the Kobayashi Maru scenario.

What’s this royal “we”?

Whatever happened to good old “you lot”?

All of a sudden mUnts has gone all je suis Kobayashi Maru.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
November 8, 2023 9:25 pm

It seems I have a downvoting stalker too!
I can’t even admit I was wrong about something without getting downvoted, which shows just how strong the hate is with this one.

C.L.
C.L.
November 8, 2023 9:27 pm

Liz, Liz, Liz, marry me.

I’m available to Rita. 🙂

Arky
November 8, 2023 9:30 pm

I’m not convinced that the Geneva conventions are even the correct guide to this conflict.
What Hamas did was go into Israel, commit multiple murders and other crimes on civilian men, woman and children, which were of zero military value or justification, then seize hostages and retreat to their own territory.
In fact, the situation is more akin to an active crime scene.
Civilians need to leave, as they would in a active shooter crime scene.

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2023 9:31 pm

I think the lesson today is…..always carry cash.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 8, 2023 9:36 pm

I’m not convinced that the Geneva conventions are even the correct guide to this conflict.

Are Hamas fighters even entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention?

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
November 8, 2023 9:37 pm

Diogenes
Nov 8, 2023 9:00 PM

Lest we start to bore the young ‘uns I shall just post this, then quietly exit (not GOTO) stage left…

I was one of the first/only Australians to own a Lisa. More fool me, but the whole WIMP thing was beguiling to someone who was developing on a PDP. I was also the first (verified, I still have the receipts) to run a multi-user version of Xenix in this fair land… on a 286 with 1MB RAM as I recall. 4 user accounting system.

More importantly, anyone who is into the history of computing, and more especially DEC and Windows could do a lot worse than watch this (long!) interview with Dave Cutler. Cutler designed both VMS and Windows NT, and is still actively coding at 81.

Arky
November 8, 2023 9:39 pm

Are Hamas fighters even entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention?

..
Not signatories. I think.

C.L.
C.L.
November 8, 2023 9:40 pm

I’m not convinced that the Geneva conventions are even the correct guide to this conflict.

Correct. They’re not.

The wilfully ignorant or deliberate misuse of ‘proportionality’ is what’s being used to fuel the pause cause. Except no. Proportionality does not mean ‘they killed 1400, so we get to kill 1400.’ Proportionality means that Israel can – and is morally obliged to – take those requisite measures necessary to eliminate Hamas; even if this leads to civilian casualties in pursuance of legitimate military targets and goals.

All Hamas has to do is give up the hostages, surrender and undertake to forever disavow exterminationism.

Tom
Tom
November 8, 2023 9:40 pm

FMD. Joe Hildebrand has become Elbow’s media bum boy. It’s unseemly and shameless.

It would have made it easier for Joe to relate to his media audience if he had simply admitted that Ruperdink Mudrock had agreed to pay him to be a Labor stooge — for “balance”.

Muddy
Muddy
November 8, 2023 9:41 pm

“Currently levels of federal investment, based on population size – not need – are just a drop in the ocean when it comes addressing domestic, family and sexual violence,” Ms Lawler said.

At what point do we acknowledge that ‘raising awareness’ isn’t raising anything?

JohnJJJ
JohnJJJ
November 8, 2023 9:45 pm

Former Australian diplomat Gregory Andrews
“As Australia’s first Indigenous High Commissioner and Ambassador to Africa, he is particularly passionate about how Australia can share its 60,000 years of Indigenous history and cultures with Africa. From wildlife protection to arts, there is much to collaborate on and share across the region” There is much more, but you’ll read a green woke diversity faux sympathy BS blurb. Diversity hire, ticks the right box.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 8, 2023 9:45 pm

Why it can now cost MORE to charge an electric car than fill up a petrol one – and how to avoid the extra cost…

Daily Mail

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2023 9:47 pm

Not usually a fan of Piers Morgan but today he interviewed Shani Louk’s father…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLYZGjks17w

This father saw his daughter naked on the back of a vehicle, being driven through the streets of Gaza as war booty, whilst Gazan children spat on her.

Don’t let anyone tell you that both sides are equal.

m0nty
m0nty
November 8, 2023 9:48 pm

Dresden was a perfectly legitimate military target – there was an important rail centre there, as well as factories producing arms.

There was no specific military need to firebomb the city centre over three days and kill 25,000 people. Unless you wanted to cause chaos by targeting fleeing civilians, which was part of the Allies plan.

As I said, there is a valid utilitarian argument that can be made to defend the glassing of Dresden. It was of its time, at the end of a world war. There but for the grace, walk a mile in Churchill’s shoes, etc.

I am not so sure Captain Hindsight pundits will look back as sympathetically on Gaza as they do on Dresden. But hey, history is written by the winners.

Cassie of Sydney
November 8, 2023 9:48 pm

All Hamas has to do is give up the hostages, surrender and undertake to forever disavow exterminationism.

Yep.

Rosie
Rosie
November 8, 2023 9:50 pm

. It estimated that 15,000 people traveled yesterday from northern Gaza into the southern half of the enclave, which the Israel Defense Forces have said is the safer place for civilians. That’s three times the figure estimated the day before.

“The majority, including children, elderly people and people with disabilities, arrived on foot with minimal belongings,” the U.N. said in a statement, adding that some displaced people have reported that they crossed Israeli checkpoints and “witnessed arrests by Israeli forces

Sounds like some hamas tried the melting into the gen pop but arrested.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 8, 2023 9:51 pm

Zulu

“Are Hamas fighters even entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention?”

Four conditions need to be met:

A chain of command. Possibly.

The chain of command enforces the laws of war. Definite fail.

Weapons are carried openly. Partial at best.

A clearly visible identifying insignia must be worn. LOL.

No, they are not.

Rosie
Rosie
November 8, 2023 9:51 pm

Oh no says Monty hamas are too honourable to so something like that.

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