Open Thread – Mon 13 Nov 2023


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  1. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Bruce.

    Last time I was underground was over a decade ago … Yes it was fun …. and the mines today are immeasurably safer than they once were.

    I hear they are relying more and more on robots for that stuff ?

    But I have the notion that, underground … like Space …is no fit place for Humans.

    Roof collapses ? Hey did the damn thing out if it is worth recovering…

    No one has to go knock on a door and tell a Mum, she is now a widow.

  2. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Kind of weird, but I’m not going to argue with the big wigs who run the joint.
    Everyone has their own room/suite in the place so one wouldn’t come into contact with them.
    Anyway.

  3. Dot Avatar

    This thread has it all, besides a little red car.

  4. GreyRanga Avatar
    GreyRanga

    Bespoke they are nerds.

  5. Gilas Avatar
    Gilas

    Just trudging through the OT…

    Rosie
    Nov 14, 2023 10:27 AM

    It isn’t always about you Lizzie, I was just surprised that Delta didn’t make Gilas’s honour role.

    .. and other subsequent gems..

    I didn’t realise I was indirectly putting Lizzie in it…
    I didn’t mention Lysander either, and it was he who started the discussion.

    This morning, I wrote: “A heartfelt thanks to Lizzie, John H, Zafiro et al…”

    et al
    noun
    A common abbreviation of Latin et alii (masculine) or et aliæ (feminine), abbr. for ‘and others
    .

    Everyone can now relax.

  6. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    Being underground is only fun for tourists.

  7. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Remember when the media was on Barilaro’s case with the dodgy appointment?
    They were right to hold his feet to the fire.
    Almost daily coverage.

    Apart from the Oz, the coverage of Don Farrell appointing Chris Ketter to the snout in the trough role seems to be spotty at best.

    I wonder what the difference is.

    @sarc

  8. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Bruce of N

    “The Cong were pretty decent as far as I’ve heard,”

    Have your hearing tested. Try first the previous operational activities of the Cong executed in the street by the senior Saigon police officer.

  9. Aaron Avatar
    Aaron

    The Israelis tactics are a bit different compared to “Introducing democracy” re the 9/11 aftermath.

    FAFO works when you are living in a tent on a bulldozed carpark.

    Something about “Strong horses”.

  10. Salvatore, Iron Publican Avatar
    Salvatore, Iron Publican

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Nov 14, 2023 2:55 PM
    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/11/what-its-come-to-in-bidens-america.html
    Disgraceful!

    Mr. Michael Smith is yet again misleading his readers. (a not unprecedented event, alas)

    The airport frisking of the triple-amputee veteran was neither on what the USA calls Veterans Day, nor was it in Biden’s America.
    It was in February 2019, fair smack in the middle of the Trump presidency.

  11. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Hezbollah’s operations in Northern Israel are only escalating

    From harmless to mostly harmless? An RPG or two each day and some rifle fire…

    Even that is mostly from Hamas kiddies.

    Israel has been splatting any launch sites with counterbattery with alacrity. The Hezbies have trumpeted their loss of 60 martyrs! That’s 4,320 virgins worth!

    The full Israeli armoured division sitting just south of the Leb border has nothing to do. They’re bored.

    And ready.

  12. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Have your hearing tested. Try first the previous operational activities of the Cong executed in the street by the senior Saigon police officer.

    Six thousand South Vietnamese civilians, murdered after the fall of Hue….

  13. dover0beach Avatar

    Dover I notice you didn’t answer this:

    “Everything the US does is wrong, while everything Russia does you’re fine with. Recently, you mentioned that the US has been involved in far too many wars and interventions over the past 20 years. Russia has been involved in 9 against its neighbors.”

    It is a good point.

    Is it? I never argued that everything one side or the other does is right and the other wrong. Further, I criticized US foreign policy over the last twenty or thirty years, and JC compares this with 9 interventions with neighbors of what period? Can’t be 9 over the last 20 to 30 years. What’s the point?

  14. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    To be fair, there has been coverage of Farrell.
    But not the daily calls for him to either resign or be referred to the ICAC (or whatever the Federal one is called).

  15. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It was in February 2019, fair smack in the middle of the Trump presidency.

    Thanks for putting me straight on that one, Sal.

  16. flyingduk Avatar
    flyingduk

    The really interesting thing about the current war is Hamas tried extremely hard to set up a situation to force all the other muzzies to come in on their side…..
    And they ain’t.

    Patience, patience. Time always favours the irregulars… their war is more costly in blood but Israels is more costly in treasure….. much more costly. All irregulars have to do is survive until the invaders home populations tire of the cost. History has shown this over and over. Think Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and – increasingly – Ukraine. Israel is dependent on the west for economic and logistic support, and the west has much less stamina than Hamas.

  17. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    BJ – Relative to the Japs and Hamas.

  18. Spinning Mouse Avatar
    Spinning Mouse

    Two presumably anglo-saxons** were sent to audit me when the department “received a report” that I was underpaying, psychologically & physically abusing, and restricting the freedoms (locking them in the building & prohibiting any socialising)

    Salvatore, it sounds like there is a good story in this. Is there ?

    I am always interested in stories of gov’t bureaucracy gone mad.

  19. Salvatore, Iron Publican Avatar
    Salvatore, Iron Publican

    Mother Lode Nov 14, 2023 9:42 AM

    The Palestinian-Australian owner of a popular Melbourne burger chain says he has moved his wife and young child into a safe house after receiving a threat on his life over social media. #ABC730

    A threat? One?

    I recall a few years ago some climate wonks at a university who had publicly embarrassed themselves complained about the threats they had received to cloak themselves with victimhood. Turned out the threats were not threats, but expressions of disgust and even some of what ought to happen to them – but none stating that anyone was going to do anything.

    I wonder if the ‘threat’ was not really a threat and the police said it was not sufficient to warrant a police response.

    Mother Lode, that would be the circus about 12 years ago, when ANU ‘rushed’ climate scientists to a secure location due to death threats, blah blah blah.
    …. turned out the whole thing was based on a ‘chicken little’ retelling of a dinner party conversation in Canberra where one guest enquired of another how they’d fared when sitting their recent test for a firearms licence.

    It was covered at the time by the Herald Sun. (the bottom paragraph contains the killer lines & greatest laugh)

    Lots of other climate scientists & unis got in on the act by remembering they’d been subject to death threats, & so on.
    … turned out that that all boiled down to about two emails saying “you bluddee idiots don’t know what you’re doing”

  20. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    Bespoke they are nerds.

    Ok what’s a better term for the needy ones, Ranga?

    This thread reminds of tailgunner. When people tried to get to get him to reveal his motives he would through out some reference to history. The nerds took the bait every time. Bird is nuts but not stupid.

  21. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Patience, patience. Time always favours the irregulars… their war is more costly in blood but Israels is more costly in treasure….. much more costly. All irregulars have to do is survive until the invaders home populations tire of the cost.

    There’s the problem right there. 😀

    I am impressed with the number of weasels the IDF have popped already after only a month. Is guacamole an Israeli dish? They’re very good at doing it.

  22. alwaysright Avatar
    alwaysright

    That’s 4,320 virgins worth!

    Can we have a quantity (72) check on the virgins?

    If Bonaparte couldn’t find a half dozen for his coronation in France, what makes you think there is 72 female virgins avao;ab;e?

    Maybe he said “verging on seven too”

  23. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Zulu

    There was a place I visited in VN …. way way down South … most of VN is bristling with VN Red and Stars flags … and I was wearing one on my T … soon noticed no Red Flags in this town … so I took my T off .. as in FI or FO . Put my Aussie T back on instead.

    I was given a nod of approval … “You did that 20 years ago and you would have had your throat slit ”

    Quite a different mood.

    The anger is still there.

  24. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    I fully understand the meaning of et al.
    Delta A has twenty years experience working in the field and responded to duk’s groundless claim that autism is caused by childhood vaccination, which is where the discussion started.

  25. alwaysright Avatar
    alwaysright

    guacamole

    There are 6.02×10^23 guacas in a guacamole,
    Which is also known as avocado’s number.

  26. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Sure duk, you’re the expert on everything here
    We’ll just see how Hamas goes, the ones that haven’t stuck south, sans weapons of course.

  27. Salvatore, Iron Publican Avatar
    Salvatore, Iron Publican

    Thanks for putting me straight on that one, Sal.

    Zulu, the video of his frisking – including the inside of his artificial legs – crops up regularly, being attributed to some figure of hate, eg, Biden, Harris, a Democrat state governor, or whatever.

    The veteran’s name is Brian Kolfage. The frisking happened at Tucson airport on (about) the 10th February 2019.

  28. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    I hear they are relying more and more on robots for that stuff ?

    My anecdote was from 30 years ago Mark. 😀

    Haha, I assumed the mine would be long shut down, but I checked just now and it’s still going. Amazing how much extra good stuff a band of geos can find by beavering away this many years.

  29. Aaron Avatar
    Aaron

    “All irregulars have to do is survive until the invaders home populations tire of the cost. History has shown this over and over. Think Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and – increasingly – Ukraine. Israel is dependent on the west for economic and logistic support, and the west has much less stamina than Hamas”.

    Which is why Hamas are being wiped out.

    Corpses don’t have stamina and the cowed general population might be relieved when these barbarian gangsters get their virgins.

    The Tamil Tigers are quiet these days.

  30. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Which is also known as avocado’s number.

    Chemistry jokes are the best jokes.

  31. dover0beach Avatar

    Who “smashed” ISIS in Iraq? Their principal stronghold was in Iraq- not Syria. The Russians were fighting on the side of Assad and trying to obliterate any opposition to Assad, so don’t paint them as angels.

    It’s easy to look back. If the Allies had the foresight to take out Hitler after the election there wouldn’t have been WW2. You don’t have the luxury of foresight in these circumstances. Perhaps the allies should’ve continued on Iinto Russia if we had a Time Machine to look forward.

    Wrong, ISIS’s principal stronghold was eastern Syria. Not sure what your point is re foresight given that people interested in these topics back in 2011/12 were already making these criticisms back then.

    Okay, what are some of the positive things the Americans have done since the fall of the Berlin Wall?

    And people here make fun of the Left.

    You appear to suggest intervention in the MidEast is a bad idea. Israel tried that with Gaza since 2005 and look where it’s got them.

    The Mideast is one chess move and hope it takes out the other piece. There’s no 3D chess in that cage.

    I never said that any intervention is a bad idea. But even your claim here re Israel and Gaza isn’t correct. Israel’s strategy re the Palestinians since the peace talks fell apart 20 years or more earlier has been to slowly integrate the West Bank into Israel via increasing numbers of settlements while also isolating the Gazans from the West Bank, politically, and later practically. The West Bank has always been the main game, which is why some of the IDF normally stationed on the border with Gaza had been redirected to the West Bank in early Oct.

  32. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Bruce

    Me too … long time since.

    The Roseberry Mine is fascinating from the point of mining History .. Niether the time nor the place to expound.

    Suffice;

    But in the late 1800’s miners were as expendable then, as robots are today. Since the deposit was so incredibly rich .. and Politics was as it was. A whole new approach to Mining Safety was demanded … and the firm could afford it. Some odf the miners I worked with had families that went back to Cornwall .. and Aberfan … Bolche as all get up.

    Things changed. And the story is fascinating.

  33. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    Sabrina Khan-Williams, the “team leader/diversity, equity & inclusion teacher”

    I see a trend.

  34. dover0beach Avatar

    From harmless to mostly harmless? An RPG or two each day and some rifle fire…

    Even that is mostly from Hamas kiddies.

    Israel has been splatting any launch sites with counterbattery with alacrity. The Hezbies have trumpeted their loss of 60 martyrs! That’s 4,320 virgins worth!

    The full Israeli armoured division sitting just south of the Leb border has nothing to do. They’re bored.

    And ready.

    Hubris.

  35. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    Malcolm Roberts, as usual, addressing the real issues, in this case immigration and inflation.

    Watt a Clown Show

  36. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @dover0beach

    once more your perspective is well sourced and most worthy of consideration …

    Much appreciated.

  37. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    This is just sad.

  38. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    Salvatore, Iron Publican
    Nov 14, 2023 3:27 PM

    Thanks for the, Sal.

  39. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    But in the late 1800’s miners were as expendable then, as robots are today.

    Mark – not true. The knowhow then, and the engineering available, wasn’t able to prevent casualties. The management were much more likely to be Christians than is the case in the present day, for example. But Murphy happens.

    In our company there was a massive effort in safety, especially aimed at preventing fatalities. The paperwork built up to incredible proportions. But the fatalities just kept on happening no matter what the safety people did.

    The reason was that all the fatal accidents were black swans of one sort or another. Could not be administered away, much like you can’t prevent an asteroid. Or couldn’t then, maybe now.

    Mining is dangerous, that’s how it is. Like flying in helicopters is. Which doesn’t stop people flying in helicopters. You accept the risk for the reward.

  40. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    Where do Q&A watchers live?

    It has 209,000 viewers nationally.

    The city by city breakdown of last night’s Q+A ratings highlights the depths to which the program has sunk: Sydney just 59,000 viewers; Melbourne 81,000; Brisbane just 25,000; Adelaide 25,000 and Perth a tiny 19,000 viewers.

    Of course – Melbourne!

  41. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Bruce

    Paper wont beat rocks…

    Indeed … Infact it can make it much worse.

    Blokes tick a few boxes on the JSA .. from then their own well being is delegated … and they just become comatose. Also the theory is that you can put any clown in High Viz and once the Paper work it done suddenly it will magically work…

    anyway … I have flown a Helicopter ..not as PIC .. too expensive …

    I asked the Actual .. Pilot .. What happens if the motor conks… ?

    “This”

    Auto rotation is a far better way of encountering a tree line … than dead stick on a fixed wing.

    But the skill required is eye watering.

  42. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Hubris.

    LOL. Dover, you should read the news and analysis a bit more. The link I gave, which you obviously didn’t study in detail, is the latest. Let me quote from it:

    Monday, 1:29 p.m.: The IDF has announced that following the report regarding sirens that sounded and an alert concerning a hostile aircraft infiltration in northern Israel, it was determined to be a false identification.

    In addition, terrorists fired from Lebanon toward the area of Netu’a and an IDF post in Shtula in northern Israel. No injuries were reported. The IDF is striking the sources of fire.

    Monday, 11:42 a.m.: IDF: A short while ago, terrorists launched an anti-tank missile from Lebanon toward the area of Netu’a in northern Israel.

    In response, IDF artillery is striking the sources of the fire.

    Furthermore, following the reports regarding sirens that sounded in Arab al-Aramshe in northern Israel, mortar launches that crossed from Lebanon to Israel were identified. The launches fell in open areas. No injuries were reported.

    Monday, 9:45 a.m.: Following the sirens that sounded earlier Monday morning in Gornot Hagalil, two mortar launches that crossed from Lebanon into Israeli territory were identified. The launches fell in open areas.

    No injuries were reported. IDF artillery is striking the sources of the launches.

    Overnight, IDF forces attacked a cell of armed terrorists identified in Lebanese territory near the Biranit area. A hit was identified.

    Sunday, 5:00 p.m.: IDF says 15 launches from Lebanon toward Israeli territory were identified over the last hour. The IDF Aerial Defense Array intercepted four of the launches, with the rest falling into open areas.

    IDF soldiers are currently responding with artillery toward the origins of the launches.

    Furthermore, seven IDF soldiers were lightly injured as a result of the mortar shell launches in the area of Manara in northern Israel earlier today. The soldiers were evacuated to a hospital to receive medical treatment. Their families have been notified.

    Sunday, 12:52 p.m.: A least six people were injured, one critically and 5 seriously, when an anti-tank missile was fired at northern Israel by Hezbollah terrorists in southern Lebanon. The IDF responded with artillery fire at the source of the attack.

    The last one were a crew of electricity workers who someone shot up with an AT missile. But you can get the drift. The incidents are noisy but minimal. Designed by Hezbollah to create useful headlines. Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

  43. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    Diogenes, re the Kindle release, is that for the HMAS Sydney book? (Reason I ask is the publisher also reissued my Lethality in Combat under a new name)

  44. Zafiro Avatar
    Zafiro

    Of course – Melbourne!

    Of course! Federal electorate of Melbourne had the highest Yes vote. 77%

  45. dover0beach Avatar

    @dover0beach

    once more your perspective is well sourced and most worthy of consideration …

    Much appreciated.

    LOL.

  46. Makka Avatar
    Makka

    There are no signs that the CSGs the US sent to the East Med or Arabian Sea have deterred anything.

    Not so sure. Iran’s moves have so far been pretty minor and normal in the sense of shipping arms into Lebanon , Syria and the like. And both Israel and the US are dealing with that daily quite successfully. But, if Iran gets more adventurous , more directly attacking Israel proper, then the US has assets now in place to attack Iran in a devastating fashion. So thus far deterrence might be working.

  47. Diogenes Avatar
    Diogenes

    TopEnder,
    yes the HMAS Sydney book

  48. dover0beach Avatar

    LOL. Dover, you should read the news and analysis a bit more.

    ROFL.

  49. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Boambee John

    Nov 14, 2023 3:19 PM

    Bruce of N

    “The Cong were pretty decent as far as I’ve heard,”

    Not sure where this Robin Hood characterisation of the VC comes from.
    That is something Private Spud would vomit up.

  50. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    But the skill required is eye watering.

    Mark – Read a fine anecdote about that yesterday.

    Remembering a Little-Known Veteran (11 Nov, via Instapundit)

    Today I honor Mike Perry. As a relatively unknown veteran, Mike exemplifies the thousands of combat veterans who simply did their duty as they were called to do, often at great risk to their young lives. They did this in return for no special recognition, even when it was earned and merited.

    In an action on July 27, 1971, while conducting just such a low-level mission, Mike’s bird took enemy fire that immediately wounded the pilot, WO 1 (later Colonel) Tom Burnett. Tom was shot through the leg. The wound made it difficult for him to fly the aircraft, and this would be especially crucial when they attempted to land.

    When Tom was shot, Mike realized that he was having difficulty flying the aircraft. And he would have even more difficulty when landing because his ability to properly manipulate the foot pedals was severely compromised by his leg wound. The resulting inability to properly control the trim and direction of the helicopter could cause it to go into a dangerous flat spin while landing.

    Mike quickly realized that Tom was going to need help flying and landing their bird. But, unlike in a troop-carrying helicopter, he could not just crawl up into the front seat. The pilot’s area was separated from the gunner’s area and there was not room for a man to squeeze from the back into the front of the aircraft. So, in the small, cramped gunner’s space in the back of the bird (see above photo), Mike turned around on all fours and crawled to the other side of the bird. The difficulty of even that task was increased because Mike was not a small man. His nickname in the troop was the Chunker, because at 5’ 9” he pushed the scales at about 200 pounds.

    Once he was on the left side of the bird, the Chunker unlooked his safety strap and crawled out onto the skid, which was a metal tube about 2-3” in diameter. He then walked forward on the skid and climbed through the open door into the left seat. From there he helped the wounded pilot fly the aircraft back to firebase known as LZ Rock.

    As they began their landing approach, Mike assisted in a successful landing by working the foot pedals to counter the constant changes in torque, keeping the aircraft straight during the landing process.

    He was awarded a DSC in the field but was then stiffed by the Pentagon because some weenie lost the paperwork.

    I’ve only ever been in a heli once, on a AAR/RAAF joint service weekend – a Chinook. Looking out the back during take off with the ramp still down was an interesting feeling. I’m not usually scared of heights, but sometimes…

  51. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Mother Lode, that would be the circus about 12 years ago, when ANU ‘rushed’ climate scientists to a secure location due to death threats, blah blah blah.
    …. turned out the whole thing was based on a ‘chicken little’ retelling of a dinner party conversation in Canberra where one guest enquired of another how they’d fared when sitting their recent test for a firearms licence.

    It was covered at the time by the Herald Sun. (the bottom paragraph contains the killer lines & greatest laugh)

    Jo had a good take on it. Like everything to do with alarmism it was bullshit.

  52. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    My state recommends not saying ‘no’ to children at school and in the home.

    Soon tobe mandatory I bet.

  53. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Sancho

    That isnt what Bruce said. You are taking it out of context . As far as I could make out Bruce was saying the NVA were utterly ruthless and pragmatic. And they were ..I met some Vets in VN …if you “go along” you are OK … if not you die.

    And the Physiological game they played is utterly blood chilling…

    Regret is for the Future…

  54. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    More from Jo on the death threats.

    Meanwhile alarmists have been making real threats for a long time.

  55. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Bruce

    No words Mate …. ~salute~

  56. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    This thread reminds of tailgunner. When people tried to get to get him to reveal his motives he would through out some reference to history. 

    His unabashed pom-pom waving for Anders Brievik didn’t leave much doubt about where he sat.
    I know his gangsta-rap shtick sucked in a few codgers who wanted to hang with the cool kids, but eventually he revealed himself.
    From his dicky behaviour, I had thought he was in his early twenties. Some background intel from a Cat catch-up tells me he was old enough to know better.

  57. JC Avatar
    JC

    Wrong, ISIS’s principal stronghold was eastern Syria. Not sure what your point is re foresight given that people interested in these topics back in 2011/12 were already making these criticisms back then.

    I’m not wrong; you are, and completely so. Syria’s ISIS came later, after the civil war began. Syria is ISIS head office now because the US cleaned them out of Iraq. You should be sure, seeing that your very first comment prompting this discussion was about all the (hindsight) mistakes that have been made, of course, by the Americans.

    I never said that any intervention is a bad idea.

    So, which have been good ones?
    You neglect to mention that Russian intervention was to keep their client, Assad, on the throne and to do away with not just ISIS but all opposition to that disgusting regime. Why?

    Said and to infer or imply don’t mean the same thing. I never said you said.

    And people here make fun of the Left.

    Okay, so I’m taking this smarmy comment to say that I’m correct. I’m correct because I’ve never read one single comment from you that wasn’t a criticism of US foreign policy since Russia attacked Ukraine. You even once made the laughable claim that Putin actually cleaned up oligarchical corruption in Russia. Whereas , in reality, he gave his favored oligarchs better treatment than those less favored.

    And if we’re going to talk about the left and make fun of them, I see no space between your comments and those made by leftists against the US a decade ago.

    But even your claim here about Israel and Gaza isn’t correct. Israel’s strategy toward the Palestinians since the peace talks fell apart 20 years or more earlier has been to slowly integrate the West Bank into Israel via increasing numbers of settlements while also isolating the Gazans from the West Bank, politically and later practically. The West Bank has always been the main game, which is why some of the IDF normally stationed on the border with Gaza had been redirected to the West Bank in early Oct.

    We’re talking about Gaza, and since around 2005, Israel has left them pretty much on their own, other than a few skirmishes here and there.

  58. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    ROFL.

    LOL with oak leaves and cluster.

    You didn’t read or understand the article which I quoted, on this blog Dover, just for you. Ok may be you did read it but you sure as didn’t understand it.

    Hezbollah on the northern border are doing a song and dance routine, nothing else. The Israel told them a couple days ago that if they got real they’d do to Beirut what they’re currently doing to Gaza City.

    Gallant threatens Hezbollah: ‘What we can do in Gaza, we can do in Beirut’ (JPost, 11 Nov)

    I think they got the message.

  59. Mak Siccar Avatar
    Mak Siccar

    I am very proud that the electorate of Longman, just north of Brisbane, in which I live voted 75% NO!

  60. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    I know his gangsta-rap shtick sucked in a few codgers who wanted to hang with the cool kids,

    More uninion thuggish I thought, Sancho.

  61. dover0beach Avatar

    Not so sure. Iran’s moves have so far been pretty minor and normal in the sense of shipping arms into Lebanon , Syria and the like. And both Israel and the US are dealing with that daily quite successfully. But, if Iran gets more adventurous , more directly attacking Israel proper, then the US has assets now in place to attack Iran in a devastating fashion. So thus far deterrence might be working.

    I think the problem here is your expectations about what these moves would be. At the moment, its largely small scale actions taken against ISR infrastructure/ IDF units on the Golan and North Israel and US military bases in Syria and Iraq, which isn’t decreasing since the CSGs moved into the area, they only increased, as has the ordnance being used. Iran doesn’t need to do anything right now, its just waiting and seeing what the response of the US is going to be, which atm is to say very little and downplay it. Secondly, are they? Since the attacks on the Aleppo and Damascus airports a few weeks back have they continued? I don’t recall any over the last week or so, and last I heard the Iranians had been given access to the Russian airbase in Latakia. Thirdly, Iran isn’t going to attack Israel proper imo, their aim is area denial of the US. Lastly, do you mean with the Ohio-class submarine now in place or conventionally?

  62. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    E153: In conversation with Jared Kushner: Israel-Hamas War, paths forward, macro picture, AI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EFk40AbO94

    The more Jared Kushner speaks, the more you can see why the corporate media tries to discredit him.
    He is a problem solver.

  63. JC Avatar
    JC

    Time line – ISIS

    2004-2012

    2004: Abu Musab al Zarqawi establishes al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI).

    June 7, 2006: Zarqawi is killed in a U.S. strike. Abu Ayyub al Masri takes his place.

    Oct. 15, 2006: al Masri announces the establishment of the Islamic State in Iraq (ISI), with Abu Omar al Baghdadi as its leader.

    2007: Following the surge of U.S. troops in Iraq, ISI is driven from Baghdad into Diyala, Salahideen, and Mosul. The organization retains only a fraction of its leaders, cells, and capabilities, which are concentrated in Mosul.

    2008: ISI membership is strongly diminished. By early 2008, 2,400 ISI members had been killed and 8,800 were captured, out of a previous membership of 15,000. The flow of foreign fighters into Iraq decreases from 120 per month to five or six per month by 2009.

    2009: Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki targets Sunni leaders, increasing sectarian tensions. Support for ISI begins to increase in Sunni tribal areas, and ISI claims responsibility for suicide attacks that killed hundreds in Baghdad.

    April 2010: Abu Bakr al Baghdadi becomes the leader of ISI after a joint U.S.-Iraqi operations kills Abu Omar al Baghdadi and Abu Ayyub al Masri.

    July 2011: Abu Bakr al Baghdadi sends operatives to Syria. One of them, Abu Muhammad al Julani, becomes the leader of the Nusra Front in January 2012.

    July 2012-July 2013: ISI launches its “Breaking the Walls” campaign. It carries out 24 bombings and eight prison breaks, freeing jihadists who had participated in AQI attacks in 2006 and 2007.

    https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/timeline-the-rise-spread-and-fall-the-islamic-state

  64. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    He is a problem solver.

    Only guy since Sadat who has made any headway on peace in the Middle East.

    Repect.

  65. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Douglas Murray on ‘you can’t reason people out of things that they haven’t been reasoned into’. With the Caroline Glick News show in Isreal. Long but interesting.

  66. dover0beach Avatar

    You didn’t read or understand the article which I quoted, on this blog Dover, just for you. Ok may be you did read it but you sure as didn’t understand it.

    Hezbollah on the northern border are doing a song and dance routine, nothing else. The Israel told them a couple days ago that if they got real they’d do to Beirut what they’re currently doing to Gaza City.

    Gallant threatens Hezbollah: ‘What we can do in Gaza, we can do in Beirut’ (JPost, 11 Nov)

    I think they got the message.

    Gallant made that comment 3 days ago and the attacks not only continued they increased.

  67. Zafiro Avatar
    Zafiro

    I am very proud that the electorate of Longman, just north of Brisbane, in which I live voted 75% NO!

    Kudos to Longman. Pretty sure from stats I looked at the Maranoa in SW Queensland had highest NO vote.

  68. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    What was the official no show vote for the referendum ?

  69. Makka Avatar
    Makka

    I think the problem here is your expectations about what these moves would be.

    So far , relatively minor in the grand scale of things which makes me think that the deterrence is in fact working. Iran doesn’t want to lose prestige in the Islamic world by getting it’s arse badly kicked as retribution for a wrong move on Israel. I think too the US assets in place are to placate Israel’s more strident hawks.

    Thirdly, Iran isn’t going to attack Israel proper imo, their aim is area denial of the US.

    I seriously doubt Iran has any say in where the US can operate if it chooses to.

    Lastly, do you mean with the Ohio-class submarine now in place or conventionally?

    The Eisenhower is now loitering in the Gulf of Oman. Plus US has assets inside the Gulf. That is an awesome amount of firepower just beyond the horizon from Iran. One false move and Iran will invite a hammering. They know this .IMO.

  70. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    The schadenfreude. (11 Nov)

    Oh, oh, the schadenfreude! (13 Nov)

    Entertaining that it was reported this week her team lost to the 15 yr old Dallas FC boys side. I hope your Achilles heals well lady. Watch out for stray arrows.

  71. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Bruce of N

    “I’ve only ever been in a heli once, on a AAR/RAAF joint service weekend – a Chinook. Looking out the back during take off with the ramp still down was an interesting feeling. I’m not usually scared of heights, but sometimes…”

    My first help flight was in 1971, with the then CMF. A Huey, I was last in and sat in the door, on the floor, legs outside, no seat belts, friction was everything. Fear of heights was not an issue, we barely got above the treetops.

    Went up again multiple times over the next few years, only once in a Chook, once in a Kiowa, the rest Hueys.

  72. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Have your hearing tested. Try first the previous operational activities of the Cong executed in the street by the senior Saigon police officer.

    Slogging through a Vietnamese book “the 50 year war”, about their fracas with the Frogs then USA.

    Its pretty average translated so a bit more of a hard read than normal, but is interesting in some of the things it reveals.
    Im unsure of this figure, but they estimated in the last 2 years of Frog occupation around 80% of the French military budget was supplied by the Yanks.

    Also it shows how ruthless they were with the South.
    Right from the get go they began moving arms and cadres into the south preparing for a campaign.
    Part of that preparing was assassinating any headman or mayor who they considered acting against them.
    This is before the war started.

  73. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Helo not help. Idiot autocorrect.

  74. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    Helo not help. Idiot autocorrect.

    Sure!

  75. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    More uninion thuggish I thought, Sancho.

    That was what I took from his name – an implied boast of a supposed sexual prowess.

  76. Vicki Avatar
    Vicki

    Just for the heck of it, I will throw in the targeted killing by the US of Qassem Suleimani in January 2020.

    I don’t think many people realise the revered place that Suleimani had in Iran. He was especially remembered for his heroism & leadership in the Iran/Iraq war. In subsequent years, as I recall, he led the Quds force in carrying out Iranian political aims in the Middle East. I suspect there is a good deal of Iran’s subsequent actions that were influenced by the assassination of this figure in Iranian history.

  77. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Gallant made that comment 3 days ago and the attacks not only continued they increased.

    They did? Not that I recall and I read the Israeli news every day. Like that live blog from, like, right now. Indeed if anything the attacks have reduced, not that it matters since they are so totally ineffectual they don’t much register. Except for the press releases, which is the whole idea.

    Dover – If Hezbollah was serious you would know about it. They have something like 100,000 missiles stashed, plus about 50,000 veteran fighters, veteran since those guys have been participating in the Syrian mess. Ergo Hezbollah is not serious. They know if they get serious that the IDF will do to them what they’re currently doing to Hamas, brick by brick.

    Perhaps the timing is bad, and the Iranians don’t have the warheads they need for a showdown. I don’t know. But the Hezbies are not showing any sign of doing anything much, other than play up to the MENA MSM. I don’t know why, other than to surmise they already have enough challenges to their comfy lifestyles. Lebanon is getting hairier as inflation goes stratospheric and the banks freeze up. I think there’s a lot of resentment in the streets that they’re very aware of.

  78. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    What was the official no show vote for the referendum ?

    I dunno, but since we have not heard from them I think they also need a ‘Da Voice’ to parliament. (And a treaty. And reparations.)

    The apathetic need someone to stand up and speak for them – ‘cos they couldn’t be sodded doing it themselves.

  79. Beertruk Avatar
    Beertruk

    Boambee John
    Nov 14, 2023 3:19 PM
    Bruce of N

    “The Cong were pretty decent as far as I’ve heard,”

    Have your hearing tested. Try first the previous operational activities of the Cong executed in the street by the senior Saigon police officer.

    I think from memory that the senior Saigon police officer had been told that Viet Cong member had executed either the police officer’s immediate family or one of his colleague’s immediate family.

  80. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    Dot
    Nov 14, 2023 3:09 PM
    This thread has it all, besides a little red car.

    It does now.

    Supergrass – Sun Hits The Sky (Official HD Video)

  81. JC Avatar
    JC

    Israel’s northern front appears to be hotting up.

    Hezbollah claims responsibility for attack at Israel-Lebanon …
    YouTube · Al Jazeera English
    1 day ago

    Massive Fighting Between Hezbollah & IDF On Israel …
    YouTube · Hindustan Times
    11 hours ago

    Hezbollah Attacks Israeli Infantry Force Near Lebanon Border …
    YouTube · Hindustan Times
    2 hours ago

  82. Bourne1879 Avatar
    Bourne1879

    From the Oz below. Defund the UN.

    A UN official has taken aim at the international community who have rallied behind Israel’s “non-existent” right to self-defence.

  83. Zafiro Avatar
    Zafiro

    What was the official no show vote for the referendum ?

    61%

  84. Jorge Avatar
    Jorge

    Has Roger been around lately ?

  85. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Kushner said that over 200k Pali’s had work visas for Israel.
    Not all of them are from Gaza with a lot from the West Bank.
    For a population of 9.3mill, to lose 200k workers is not a small thing long term.
    Obviously in the short term that’s not a priority.
    I expect a lot of work visas being granted to SE Asian workers over the next 6-12 months.

  86. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    Kushner said that over 200k Pali’s had work visas for Israel.

    For what type of work?

  87. dopey Avatar
    dopey

    Read Max Hastings Vietnam War book. Vietcong were pretty decent eh?

  88. calli Avatar
    calli

    BJ, thanks for asking after my father. He survived his op, being now assessed for assisted car. Like Cassie’s father, he won’t be going home. Mum is sad, but relieved as her health is not so good and she won’t be able to care for him as he needs to be.

    My brother and I are in touch constantly, he will let me know if I need to get back urgently. The Beloved is keeping an eye on available flights home.

    Speaking of Cassie, I understand her grief and worry. Cats know, by now, my connections with Sydney Jews. Everyone reacts differently…I tend to get angry and disgusted rather than fearful. And I’m angry, really angry that little children in Sydney must be guarded at school, in a campus that’s tighter security wise than any prison. And that Jews are advised not to wear anything that identifies them.

    So…Cassie, I reiterate. Be strong and very courageous. We all know you are, even if inside you are shaking and you’re candid enough to admit it. The Almighty goes before you and behind you, he will not allow your foot to stumble, and he will protect you from the hidden and not so hidden enemies.

  89. calli Avatar
    calli

    That would be “care”. No cars for him any more.

  90. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    For what type of work?

    Can’t imagine it’s much more than unskilled labour, considering the education system in Gaza.

  91. dover0beach Avatar

    I’m not wrong; you are, and completely so. Syria’s ISIS came later, after the civil war began. Syria is ISIS head office now because the US cleaned them out of Iraq. You should be sure, seeing that your very first comment prompting this discussion was about all the (hindsight) mistakes that have been made, of course, by the Americans.

    No, and the timeline doesn’t help you either. IS became what it was in eastern Syria out of the remnants of al Qaeda in Iraq.

    You neglect to mention that Russian intervention was to keep their client, Assad, on the throne and to do away with not just ISIS but all opposition to that disgusting regime. Why?

    The Russians preferred stability to continuing disorder, and that ‘disgusting regime’ allowed the Christian community in Syria, among other minorities, to live in relative tranquility. It is now almost gone.

    Okay, so I’m taking this smarmy comment to say that I’m correct. I’m correct because I’ve never read one single comment from you that wasn’t a criticism of US foreign policy since Russia attacked Ukraine.

    Yes, if someone criticizes US foreign policy for a period longer than a year that is convincing evidence that they are anti-American.

    We’re talking about Gaza, and since around 2005, Israel has left them pretty much on their own, other than a few skirmishes here and there.

    Heavens, so Operations Cast Lead, Pillar of Defence, Protective Edge and the 2018 border protests among other goings-on were only skirmishes? Moreover, Hamas, etc. also operate in the West Bank. There is no ‘Gaza and the West Bank are severable’; they’re just not.

  92. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    I like these guys.

    What Oregon High School Boys Do to Tampon Dispenser in Their School Bathroom Reaches Legendary Status (11 Nov)

    In May, the principal made a school-wide appeal in a letter sent to parents begging the boys to stop trashing the tampon vending machine in their bathroom because under state law it had to be there and it was costly and cumbersome to have to keep putting it back up.

    Red pilled. Definitely red pilled.

  93. P Avatar
    P

    What was the official no show vote for the referendum ?

    The National Turnout was 89.95%

  94. calli Avatar
    calli

    For what type of work?

    Just about everything, bespoke. Many from Bethlehem, for example, work in professional roles in Jerusalem and have to cross the “border” twice daily.

    As for Gaza, I read around 35k had jobs in Israel. They may have been agricultural/labouring or more sophisticated.

  95. Barking Toad Avatar
    Barking Toad

    The story….

    After Nguyen Ngoc Loan raised his sidearm and shot Vietcong operative Nguyen Van Lem in the head he walked over to the reporters and told them that: “These guys kill a lot of our people, and I think Buddha will forgive me”.

    Captured on NBC TV cameras and by AP photographer Eddie Adams, the picture and film footage flashed around the world and quickly became a symbol of the Vietnam War’s brutality.

    “Still photographs are the most powerful weapon in the world”, AP photojournalist Eddie Adams once wrote. A fitting quote for Adams, because his 1968 photograph of an officer shooting a handcuffed prisoner in the head at point-blank range not only earned him a Pulitzer Prize in 1969 but also went a long way toward souring Americans’ attitudes about the Vietnam War.

    For all the image’s political impact, though, the situation wasn’t as black-and-white as it’s rendered. What Adams’ photograph doesn’t reveal is that the man being shot (named Nguyen Van Lem) was the captain of a Vietcong “revenge squad” that had executed dozens of unarmed civilians earlier the same day.

  96. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Thanks P.
    Over 10% of registered voters didn’t give a shit.
    That really does surprise me.

    I get not voting in an election when the uninspiring political cattle are the options.

  97. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    I don’t know if it has been covered but Trump’s lawyer in the NY fraud case, Alina Habba (pronounced the same as in ‘hubba-hubba’), was with him when he went to the UFC fight.

    She sported a MAGA purse and…an FJB necklace.

  98. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Hindustan times and al jiz are muslim mouthpieces.
    Also
    Palestinians in Lebanon disappointed that Hezbollah won’t escalate

  99. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    work in professional roles in Jerusalem

    I suppose they all can’t be cleaners.

  100. Barking Toad Avatar
    Barking Toad

    The Vietcong Revenge Squad action in 1968 is similar to the Hamas invasion targetting civilians on 7 October 2023.

  101. JC Avatar
    JC

    feelthebern
    Nov 14, 2023 5:42 PM
    work in professional roles in Jerusalem

    I suppose they all can’t be cleaners.

    Independent tax attorneys, and lot’s worked for KPMG and PWC.

  102. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    Meanwhile in Queensland, in the hilarious arena of what passes for law and order:

    A magistrate told a 22-year-old Central Queensland man she was sentencing for almost a dozen offences to “grow up so you don’t keep making these decisions”.

    Graham Stewart Stafford-Mckinlay pleaded guilty in Rockhampton Magistrates Court to one count of unlawful use of a motor vehicle, three of failing to appear in accordance with an undertaking, two of stealing and obstructing a police officer, and one each of possessing tainted property, wilful damage, riding a bicycle without a helmet, and riding at night without a front light or a rear light.

    Police prosecutor Sergeant David Longhurst said Stafford-Mckinlay was on parole and “continued to partake in property offending”.

    Sergeant Longhurst said the unlawful use of a motor vehicle charge was because Stafford-Mckinlay was a passenger in a stolen car.

    The court heard Stafford-Mckinlay had stolen fuel and a bicycle, and possessed tainted property, including mobile phones and jewellery.

    Defence lawyer Pierre Lammersdorf said his client was on a disability pension after he fell off a horse when he was 12 years old and suffered a head injury.

    Mr Lammersdorf said his client had served 34 days in custody and would continue to be on parole until May 22, 2025.

    Magistrate Philippa Beckinsale told Stafford-Mckinlay to “grow up so you don’t keep making these decisions”.

    Ms Beckinsale sentenced Stafford-Mckinlay to three months prison, wholly suspended for two years.

    Convictions were recorded.

  103. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Vietcong were pretty decent eh?

    Relatively. Hamas. Japs.

    I’ve read about them, but not the VC. I’ve not seen the same stuff so widely reported about the VC that I have Hamas and the Japs. The latter in the AWM history, which was quite sanitized seeing it was written in the decades after the war when Australians were a lot politer than they are now.

  104. Zatara Avatar
    Zatara

    Zulu, the video of his frisking – including the inside of his artificial legs – crops up regularly, being attributed to some figure of hate, eg, Biden, Harris, a Democrat state governor, or whatever.

    The veteran’s name is Brian Kolfage.

    The fact that he was in the progress of building portions of ‘Trump’s Wall’ with private donations at the time just might have had something to do with it.

  105. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    Diogenes, publisher says “Definitely. If they visit your page on Big Sky Publishing or Simon & Schuster it will highlight the ebook aggregators who will be ‘stocking’ your ebook.”

  106. Dot Avatar

    feelthebern
    Nov 14, 2023 5:40 PM

    Over 10% of registered voters didn’t give a shit.
    That really does surprise me.

    I’m gladly wrong, I reckoned 95% turnout or higher, IIRC.* The way the AEC do the count is really dopey so you couldn’t really tell if they were finished for a while. I won’t tolerate the glowie BS about 61% and 30% of the population “not even bothering to vote” or “segregated YES and NO voting lines”.

    *Not that it mattered. The NO vote was so high on the night of the referendum date that the networks called it quits at about 8 PM, IIRC. Remember how Computershare was going to steal the election?

    Just more demoralisation so we surrender to the cultural Marxists, who will drop the culture wars as soon as they are in power. No poetry comrades, get back in the salt mines!

  107. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Greg Gutfeld is the best social commentator right now by a country mile. He says of the indoctrination of the young by left educators that now, in the context of the palli/muzzie uprising and the kiddies’ support of the pallis and growth of anti-semitism, that indoctrination is no longer a social issue but a security threat.

    He also takes jessica tarlov, the token demorat on The Five to task. Tarlov is a demorat Jew who praises camel toe’s latest utterance about some sort of equivalence between what hamas did and what Israel is now doing. Gutfeld simply says to tarlov that the pallis are literally trying to kill her and her kids in the most barbaric way which shuts the kunt up.

  108. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Good Sharri today, watching on delay.

  109. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    Cheers burn, calli.

  110. calli Avatar
    calli

    In more cheerful news…Oslo is a beautiful city. We did a fjord cruise yesterday in the sub zero temps, cosily rugged up inside. They have beaches here that are jam packed in what passes for “summer”- everyone seems to own a boat and the marinas are extensive and a forest of masts. Some of the beaches are “nudist” – horrible thought of all that goose pimpled flesh lying around on the bare rock like albino seals.

    They also have saunas on the waterside. I witnessed bright red idiots leaping out of the sauna into the icy water. How to get your heart started…or not.

    The cathedral has a magnificent painted wood slat ceiling, picturing Bible scenes. It’s bright as a button but showing signs of decay. It is done in a distinctive style reminiscent of art deco. Which brings me to the Town Hall, described as a bar of chocolate with windows. It too is Art Deco, but I have to say I’m unimpressed.

    And keeping to the architectural theme – the Oslo Opera House. Designed by local architects to resemble a glacier. It’s rather nice, I might be visiting it today as part of an organised tour. The same architects designed the Alexandria Library, which I have also visited. Another fine modern building.

  111. dover0beach Avatar

    They did? Not that I recall and I read the Israeli news every day. Like that live blog from, like, right now. Indeed if anything the attacks have reduced, not that it matters since they are so totally ineffectual they don’t much register. Except for the press releases, which is the whole idea.

    Of course, if it hasn’t been on that live blog it never happened.

  112. Diogenes Avatar
    Diogenes

    I’ve only ever been in a heli once, on a AAR/RAAF joint service weekend – a Chinook. Looking out the back during take off with the ramp still down was an interesting feeling. I’m not usually scared of heights, but sometimes…

    Rappelling out of a Huey is interesting.Did it on my first AFX with UNSWR.

  113. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    The Viet book makes it quite clear that the regime in the South was pretty brutal as well. Theres a reference to a mass poisoning at a prison which offed a lot of commies. (again, before open war between north and south) as well as a lot of forced relocations to cut off Commies from the people.

  114. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    Vietcong were pretty decent eh?

    Did the original poster mean the NVA – as opposed to the Cong?

  115. JC Avatar
    JC

    Move Over, New York. These Fast-Growing Cities Are the New Economic Powerhouses.
    Cities such as Dallas and Nashville are growing fast and reshaping the country.
    By Andy Serwer

    Updated November 9, 2023 / Original November 8, 2023

    Rural versus urban, conservative versus progressive, free market versus regulation, East versus West, and North versus South. Competitive forces have shaped the U.S. since its beginning—and in many respects helped our country grow, and even, to borrow a phrase, made America great.
    Rural versus urban, conservative versus progressive, free market versus regulation, East versus West, and North versus South. Competitive forces have shaped the U.S. since its beginning—and in many respects helped our country grow, and even, to borrow a phrase, made America great.

    Over recent decades, a sort of stasis took hold where the locus of power in America resided in four metropolitan areas, each representing an economic or societal power: New York with Wall Street and finance; Washington, D.C., with the federal government and politics; Los Angeles with entertainment and media; and the San Francisco Bay Area with technology.

    These four cities vied for power and influence over one another, but more to the point, they embodied the nation’s status quo—dominating much of our economy and steering both our domestic and international agendas.

    Now, though, those four legacy metro areas are being joined and, to an extent, eclipsed by a cohort of new, faster-growing power centers such as Houston with its energy economy, Dallas and its diversified base, Nashville with healthcare and tech, and Miami as a burgeoning financial center and gateway to Latin America. Competition between old legacy cities and these upstarts is both the latest incarnation of pre-existing frictions and the emergence of new elements.

  116. Diogenes Avatar
    Diogenes

    TE thanks mate. I look forward to it.

  117. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Newsom was fake complaining overnight how the homeless in San Fran can magically disappear 48 hours before Xi arrives.
    Why didn’t this happen earlier it cried.
    He is soooo going to be the DNC nomination in 2024.

  118. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    The benefit of watching Sharri on delay is you can skip the ads & any potential retards she has on.
    Case in point, ScoMo popped up so sped forward at 30x speed.

  119. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Diogenes

    Marvelous pieces of machinery. But I always stayed in them… Squirrels in Tasmania.

    Unless I was on the ground directing slinging operations.

    It astonished me that I could … on a windy hillside do the … two fingers rub together… sign and they could position the machine with a precision of six inches.

    That was why the pilots took every opportunity to get extreme … just to keep the edge.

    I blanch in shame that when plucked out of the scrub after a hard days yakka I …deleached myself and let the little blood suckers loose in the cab …

  120. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    An interesting life:

    Frank Borman: He was first to the moon

    Frank Borman was the commander of Apollo 8, the first mission to fly humans around the moon. The achievement inspired awe and wonder among countless millions of people. Borman, though, was not one of them.

    “I was there because it was a battle in the Cold War. I wanted to participate in this American adventure of beating the Soviets. But that’s the only thing that motivated me – beat the damn Russians,” he recalled. Weightlessness was interesting “maybe for the first 30 seconds”, he added in a 2018 interview for a radio show.

    The early groups of NASA astronauts were heavily drawn from the US military, prioritising test pilots with engineering expertise, and Borman was the acme of a direct, disciplined and stolid officer. Though astronauts were lionised in popular culture as daring explorers with insatiable curiosity, Borman lived in prose rather than poetry and was once described by a NASA psychiatrist as the least complicated man he had ever met.

    On a six-day mission in December 1968, Borman, Bill Anders and Jim Lovell orbited the moon and gathered knowledge and experience that paved the way for two members of the back-up crew, Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, to walk on the lunar surface seven months later and, in effect, win the space race.

    Anders took the famous Earthrise photograph of Earth above the moon and on Christmas Eve the crew read verses from the Book of Genesis during a live broadcast that at the time was the most-watched television program in history. Borman concluded: “And from the crew of Apollo 8, we close with good night, good luck, a merry Christmas, and God bless all of you – all of you on the good Earth.”

    Yet travelling farther from home than any humans before him and seeing the moon at close quarters and the Earth from afar was not, Borman insisted, a transformative or spiritual experience.

    “It didn’t really change my views much,” he said in an interview in 1986. “The grandeur of nature is a given. Seeing the moon on Christmas was no different than seeing the Grand Canyon on Easter morning. Sure, it was moving, but it was moving because of our isolation and because everything we valued was back on Earth.”

    The accomplishments of Apollo 8 were overshadowed by the Apollo 11 moon landing, but it was a bold and risky effort that made front-page news around the world. Borman rationalised the risk by telling himself it was no more dangerous than flying a fighter aircraft in the Vietnam War. But no one had ever journeyed more than 1370km from Earth; Anders, Lovell and Borman flew 385,000km away.

    The crew members were named “men of the year” by Time magazine and Borman was greeted by an enthusiastic crowd of wellwishers and press in London in 1969, where he met Queen Elizabeth II and Harold Wilson, the prime minister.

    Highly respected within NASA after the success of Apollo 8, Borman was a leading candidate for a future moon landing mission – perhaps even the first. But the prospect held no appeal.

    “I probably could have walked on the moon. Yeah,” he reflected in 2018. “I would have not accepted the risk involved to go pick up rocks. It doesn’t mean that much to me.”

    When Armstrong made his “small step” on to the lunar surface, Borman, acting as the White House space liaison, was watching on television in the Oval Office with president Richard Nixon. Borman is said to have dissuaded Nixon from directing The Star-Spangled Banner to be played during the historic moonwalk, arguing it would have wasted precious time and struck an overly national­istic tone at a moment of profound importance for all human­ity.

    Borman was born in Gary, Indiana, in 1928, to Marjorie and Edwin, who sold Oldsmobile cars. Hoping that a warmer and drier climate would ease their son’s chronic ear and sinus infections, they moved to the desert heat of Arizona, where they struggled to find work during the Depression, ultimately running a dry cleaners.

    Borman became fascinated with aviation after he took a ride at about the age of five in a biplane at a county fair. He built model planes and had a newspaper round so he could save up to afford flying lessons at the age of 15. He was an American football quarterback at school and married Susan Bugbee, his high school sweetheart, in 1950.

    That year he graduated from the US Military Academy at West Point, New York – eighth out of 670 in his class – then joined the US Air Force as a test pilot and instructor, though a perforated eardrum suffered in 1951 during a dive-bombing practice run almost ended his career. He would suffer another in-flight health problem during the Apollo 8 mission, when he endured a spell of vomiting and diarrhoea that might have been an adverse reaction to a sleeping pill.

    He studied for a master’s degree in aeronautical engineering at the California Institute of Technology and taught thermodynamics and fluid mechanics at West Point.

    Like Armstrong, Borman was part of the second group of astronauts selected by NASA in 1962. Susan had wanted him to become a professor at the military academy. Like many astronauts’ wives, she was given little support to handle the stress of her husband’s perilous job. She drank to excess and later endured a nervous breakdown. Borman’s family stayed at home rather than attend the Apollo 8 launch.

    In 1967, all three crew members of Apollo 1, including Ed White, a close friend of Borman, had died in a cabin fire during a launch rehearsal. Borman was part of the NASA accident review team and was one of the first to examine the charred interior as part of the investigation into the tragedy.

    Borman had already spent almost 14 days orbiting Earth with Lovell for the Gemini VII mission in 1965, testing equipment and procedures to learn more about long-duration spaceflights.

    “It was boring,” he said in a 1999 oral history. “You’re just drifting, tumbling through space, time goes slow.”

    He retired from NASA and the USAF in 1970 and was sent, at Nixon’s request, on a 25-day international mission to drum up support for the release of American prisoners held by North Vietnam and the Vietcong.

    Later that year he took a senior executive role at Eastern Air Lines, a large but serially unprofitable carrier based in Miami. When one of its aeroplanes crashed in the Everglades in Florida in 1972, resulting in 101 deaths, he immediately flew to the scene and waded through the swamp in search of survivors.

    He became chief executive in 1975 and sought to instil military-style discipline to the sprawling enterprise. Known as “the colonel” in reference to his air force rank, he banned lunchtime drinking, sacked dozens of mid and high-level managers and drove to work in an old Chevrolet.

    His status as a national hero initially guaranteed him respect among the workforce and his methods appeared to be working but his aura wore off in the 1980s as the company continued to struggle. He was, according to a 1985 New York Times profile, “repeatedly described as being autocratic, of running his operation like a military bureaucracy and of being irritatingly direct”.

    The following year, another reporter noted a Tolstoy quotation on a wall in his office: “The only legitimate happiness is honest hard work and the surmounting of obstacles.” A battle with a union over cost controls proved insurmountable and Borman wept when the board sold the company to a rival in 1986.

    He collected a hefty sum in severance pay, moved to Las Cruces, New Mexico, vowed to work in support of the presidential election campaign of George HW Bush, and bought a vintage de Havilland acrobatic aeroplane for his personal enjoyment.

    His sons, Fred and Edwin, both graduated from West Point. Fred became an American football coach at the academy, then founded a car dealership in New Mexico in the ’80s that he operated with his father.

    Frank Borman held board positions with The Home Depot and National Geographic, among other companies, and became chairman of Patlex Corporation, a laser patent business. He was part of an international inquiry board convened by the South African government to investigate the plane crash in 1986 that killed Mozambique president Samora Machel and 33 others. Their report blamed the Soviet flight crew.

    In the ’90s he bought a cattle ranch in Montana that he ran with his son Fred, and in his later years he cared for his wife, who developed Alzheimer’s disease and died in 2021.

    He did not spend his free time consuming science fiction. A radio reporter once showed him an episode of a series he had never seen, Star Trek: The Next Generation, thinking his soul might be stirred by the idea of boldly going where no one had gone before – just as he had done 50 years earlier. “Nonsense to me,” Borman declared. “It doesn’t interest me, I’m sorry.”

    Frank Borman. Astronaut and businessman. Born March 14, 1928, Gary, Indiana; died November 7, Billings, Montana, aged 95.

    The Times

  121. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Mother Lode

    That would be Bruce and yes I am sure he did. He has been relentlessly savaged for that comment ..and most unfairly.

  122. Zafiro Avatar
    Zafiro

    A tampon dispenser in a boys dunny at a high school in Oregon? WTF?

    Good on the kids for continually smashing it.

    The blokes who exploded that whale in Oregon 1970 would be rolling in their graves.

  123. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Of course, if it hasn’t been on that live blog it never happened.

    So, Dover, you will now provide the links and sources for the stuff that did happen…?

    Arutz Sheva is one of the cleanest media outlets in Israel. And righties!

    Maybe bloggers like The Warlord Armchair, My Lord Bobo and the Simpleminded Thinker are telling you that vast tank battles are being fought even as we speak? Perhaps Mr Serge has been telling you these secrets?

    I’m having a lend, yes. 😀 Seriously I have not seen anything happening and I read a lot of sites. If there was a serious engagement on Israels northern border it would be reported everywhere. You can’t hide such a light under a bushel basket.

  124. Zafiro Avatar
    Zafiro

    What was the official no show vote for the referendum ?

    Sorry, I thought you meant NO voters. Apparently 2 million registered voters didn’t bother, I heard on the TV news. I was one of them.

  125. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Top Ender

    I have the honour to have known a Test Pilot …

    “When that light goes on you press that button ..then the other one and if the situation doesn’t improve you ~punch out~ ”

    No time for complication.

  126. Mak Siccar Avatar
    Mak Siccar

    InVoice referendum. National turnout was just shy of 90%. Thus, approx 1.7 M didn’t vote.

    https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/ReferendumNationalResults-29581.htm

  127. Gorgonzola Avatar
    Gorgonzola

    Geez, Mark Bolton has been around and done lotsa exciting things.

    Walter Mitty, eat your heart out.

  128. Zafiro Avatar
    Zafiro

    Anyone here know what a “word salad” is?

  129. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    More uninion thuggish I thought

    TG was just a bloke who’s mind wandered to odd places trying to make sense of the world with limited real known facts
    just like the rest of us here

    He was loose … I’ll grant youse that

    I’d guess he’d done way to many Eccies in the past and very much loved a bong and a beer in the present
    he was also a wickedly funny jokester

    sancho’s characterization is both convenient, after all TG isnt here to defend himself

    and absurd … since it is wholly based on the fiction in sancho’s head

  130. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    He is soooo going to be the DNC nomination in 2024.

    Shades of Schrödinger’s Cat. Simultaneously good and bad.

    Good, because months ago I put some money on him; not a lot because I’m not into betting, but…

    Bad, because it’s self evidently so.

  131. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    an implied boast of a supposed sexual prowess

    … anything with a pulse

    … the crack of dawn

    he was onto it

  132. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Top Ender

    P.S. …. we went for a fly in a Tiger Moth … I was PIC …. he could strap that machine on like a set of roller skates….

    His Airforce buddies took the mick for him doing that “Bit of a performance problem Old Chap?”

    Only time I ever saw him get emotional …. “Get F@@ked you Nazis… ” Behind his hand…

    Because he could ..actually fly …. he had just stepped out of really high performance Military planes … asked me … “Hey Mark What are the numbers?” “Steve Mate only one really …57 … ”

    I knew he was only being polite … the hairs on his arm would have told him what was going on …

  133. calli Avatar
    calli

    Has Roger been around lately ?

    Roger’s on holidays in the Shaky Isles. It would be perfect if he had witnessed that haka “Unwelcome to Country”.

  134. Winston Smith Avatar

    Boambee John:

    Try first the previous operational activities of the Cong executed in the street by the senior Saigon police officer.

    You mean the NVA Lieutenant in civvies who had just come from the police compound where he and his mates had slaughtered the families of the police working the streets?
    That one?
    The one that the media were claiming was murdered because he was protected by the Geneva Convention?
    Good riddance.

  135. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @ TE … and when I landed it I so tottally botched it … the wheels beat me and we pitch up and i lost yaw control really badly …damn near pranged it…

    I got things back where they should be, and on the intercom ” Great recovery Mark!!

    Peace.

  136. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    TG was just a bloke who’s mind wandered to odd places trying to make sense of the world with limited real known facts

    I just can’t see that as an excuse, Matrix.

  137. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The woman must be a superhero, whatever is the subject, she lived it, suffered it, but being brave and super capable, not to mention multi-talented as she is, she overcame all the hurdles cruel life thrown in her path to come out unscathed with perky tits to boot.

    26 3

    Just thought I’d check back.

    Now look what you’ve done, Kevni.

    And a lot of flow on too. I’m battered, but not yet fried.

    But where’s Cassie? The feral valkyrie seems to have driven her out.

    Those twenty upticks must have hurt her deeply, you fools.

  138. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    Sigh!..

  139. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    MT @ 6:14pm

    What governments did to the people during the Covid lockdowns, especially in Victoria, was enough to break some people apart.

    In TG’s case, he was of working age – not old – and iirc unattached. Trying to keep afloat financially and emotionally in such pressure cooker conditions would not have been easy for anyone.

    (Yes, I admit to making a couple of assumptions here as well as ignoring – or not noting – his pastime interests, which would not have helped). Petsonally, I liked him.

  140. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Top End

    Old Mate landed the Tiger in a crosswind way outside the parameters. The bloke tought me to fly the Tiger … WWII pilot … “Mark! a three point is just “NOT ON” in a cross wind” … But Steve just crossed her up.. brought Her in … at at the very last moment pointed her into wind and three pointed Her …

    Roller skates.

  141. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    Petsonally

  142. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Top Ender

    I so love being impressed by the skills and alacrity of others. I dont get jealous … I just kiss the sky that some of us a really good at stuff.

  143. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    He was the same pre lockdowns BBS.

  144. Bar Beach Swimmer Avatar
    Bar Beach Swimmer

    **Personally**

    Bespoke, I can’t get emojis to work for some reason, but there is a personal thumbs up somewhere for you on this comment.

  145. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    You know, I’ve never met an unpleasant person when I’ve met people who contribute here, but so many here, if they are as smart and good and nice as the ones I’ve met, must lose all sense of reason and friendliness when they’re anonymous.

    No matter how hurtful.

    I’m an honest woman who has lived a full life, no more ‘narcissistic’ than anyone else here, and I cop endless shit, not really warranted. Memes circulate and mud sticks. Is this game worth the candle? Maybe not.

    I was appalled by the treatment of our main Jewish commenter here at this time and I hope nothing else lies behind that. She may well suspect that something else nasty lurks here. I wouldn’t blame her if she does. Watch the Douglas Murray piece I put up, long and intellectual, worthy of a decent discussion site not a heap of sheep, and you might get some idea of why I wouldn’t blame her, for anti-Semitism has a particular pervasiveness.

  146. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    Cheers BBS.

    I’m wrapped.

  147. calli Avatar
    calli

    I upticked Joh’s comment to Cassie, not because I agreed with everything Joh said, but I agreed with one thing.

    Fear weakens. It becomes habitual. I understand what it’s like to be afraid, also appreciate the courage it takes to admit it. I am fearful for my grandchildren, but I also know they are in the best of hands.

    My point is that not every one of those “likes” is a slur to Cassie and her worries. She’s justified in feeling that way, and her observations are a rational response.

  148. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Sigh!..

    And you can feck right off.

  149. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    Johanna comment was just an extended version of Cassie own much used comment “stay strong”.

  150. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    Charming!

  151. P Avatar
    P

    Personally, I liked him.

    Me too. He was always entertaining. Never nasty. He had a son in the US he said.
    I was able to interact with him on this blog and enjoy his responses.

  152. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Never been in a Tiger Moth.
    But my Cafe gets flown over by them fairly often.
    I’m on the flight path from Belmont to Maitland, or some place..
    They’re a nice sight.

    Pink Floyd – Learning To Fly (1987)

  153. calli Avatar
    calli

    I also think Cassie would be a good person to have around in an emergency, as would Joh.

    If you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you

    The most solid people usually disagree with each other. That’s part of the character.

  154. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Elizabeth

    Geopolitics is just a nasty nasty phenomenon. VN was enough for me… Good people get hurt for wrongs they never committed.

    Sadly the people “in control” are stupid and subverted and likely the worst hands on the tiller.

    Peace.

  155. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    My point is that not every one of those “likes” is a slur to Cassie and her worries.

    Could have fooled me, Calli.

    I texted her my view. ‘Tears can lead to a greater strength’. We’ll drink to that on the weekend.

    Do not be ashamed of fear or tears. I have been very fearful and tearful a lot of times in my life, as no doubt many here have re their demons. I am much stronger for allowing myself to have feelings, for walking out of here at times, and not being a sententious buttoned up prig like the author of the comment in question.

  156. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Bruce …

    the Tiger is a truly horrible plane to fly … She will make a fool of you but never kill you.. Probably why she was such a great trainer .. But She is fun and burbling over the beaches with a blonde up front seat… as the sun get lower in the sky …

    The aesthetics are pretty good.

  157. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Sadly the people “in control” are stupid and subverted and likely the worst hands on the tiller.

    When the storm comes…

    Mike Oldfield – Five Miles Out (1982)

  158. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    You mean the NVA Lieutenant in civvies who had just come from the police compound where he and his mates had slaughtered the families of the police working the streets?
    That one?

    I did not know he was NVA.

    I had heard that he had killed police officers’ families the day before – women and children just living their family life not hurting anyone. Prick got of easily just getting a quick bullet to the head.

  159. calli Avatar
    calli

    Well my comment was not a slur then.

    I wouldn’t have a clue what was in others’ minds. At least one of the upticks was meant kindly.

    There’s a lot of stupidity in the world. I’d rather not be part of it.

  160. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Bruce ….

    Oh you are revving me up now !

    Already I have given my hobby horse a good old “clippetty clop” …

    The Chipmonk is your plane … !!

    Now I cease and desist.

  161. dover0beach Avatar

    So, Dover, you will now provide the links and sources for the stuff that did happen…?

    It’s pretty easy to find online. Increasing strikes on both sides, increasing movement of equipment to the border, and so on.

    Seriously I have not seen anything happening and I read a lot of sites. If there was a serious engagement on Israels northern border it would be reported everywhere. You can’t hide such a light under a bushel basket.

    What’s a ‘serious engagement’? I said that their actions in Northern Israel were escalating which is why both Gallant and Netanyahu directly threatened them and Lebanon in the last three days.

  162. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I think from memory that the senior Saigon police officer had been told that Viet Cong member had executed either the police officer’s immediate family or one of his colleague’s immediate family.

    The Viet Cong member was captured, standing next to a ditch containing the bodies of murdered South Vietnamese civilians. He had murdered one of the police officers subordinates, his wife, his mother, and his six children.

  163. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    “For what type of work?”

    Officially, I expect farm work.

    Unofficially, spying for Hamarse.

  164. Jorge Avatar
    Jorge

    Thanks, calli. (re Roger)

  165. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Mark – It’s a thing that passed me by. I tried hang gliding briefly and got to hold the stick on a Cessna for a while in flight. But it never took.

    One of our Cats is a sailplane pilot. Now that’s something. Seriously cool.

    Foo Fighters – Learn To Fly (1999)

  166. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    I just can’t see that as an excuse

    for what ?

  167. Indolent Avatar
    Indolent

    This is Huckabee’s take on the Voice referendum – and he’s not wrong. (Start at 3 min. 30 sec.)


    World Economic Forum and U.N. Just Tried to Legally STEAL Australia | Breakdown | Huckabee

  168. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    There’s a lot of stupidity in the world. I’d rather not be part of it.

    Ditto.

    Around 40 upticks to that piece about Cassie now, Calli, so perhaps some, like yours, were meant kindly, but overall the exasperated comment was a cruel critique, meant to hurt. As for my comments, I’d rather not have my comments ticked in any way rather than suffer yet another pile on here. They are wearying at my age. Snipers are busy taking aim, as per usual. Not having any upticks or downticks was a relief from such things in a way, although I do like to uptick comments rather in the line of replacements for face-to-face head nods to signal attention. Rarely do I downtick any.

    I’m genuinely sorry Calli that your holiday is interrupted by uncertainties at home. At risk of being crucified for outlining a similar experience (how dare I, how very dare I?), we had a similar thing in Louisiana in October last year when Hairy’s step-mother (Jewish, incidentally) was at death’s door and we thought we should fly right over to London, checking up flights and worrying about returning the hire car – but she rallied, to sadly pass away at 98 in late December. It is very stressful to be on such high alert when away.

    I’ve been enjoying your travel pieces, btw, as with those of others too.

  169. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    FMD; bolta just had david karoly on; apparently the old bastard has just issued a medical certificate for the kiddie’s climate strike on Friday

    The old bastard looked like a boiled frog with half his fuking choppers missing. This is the only photo I can find of the old shit so I’m just wondering if its the same shithead.

    Anyway, good on bolta who cut him off and stopped him mid sentence as the colour was rising in his sunken cheeks at the temerity of bolta for disrespecting him.

  170. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    Rappelling out of a Huey is interesting.

    Being winched out of the sea under a Seahawk is “interesting”, and also bloody cold!

  171. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    In TG’s case, he was of working age – not old – and iirc unattached. Trying to keep afloat financially and emotionally in such pressure cooker conditions would not have been easy for anyone

    I met the bloke 2x
    yeah, he was a bit loose

    but then no more loose that many other people I know … preppers, chem-trails and flat-earthers … it takes all types
    he was also a skilled craftsman and iirc had a degree in journalism so he wasnt exactly stupid

    if he spent some time on The Cat spouting crap about Brevik, I couldn’t care less

    clearly he got under some people’s skin … which was probably the whole point

  172. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Calli

    Did the your point out the site of the sinking of the Blucher in 1940? The local commander could get no clear orders from on high, so he unilaterally ordered the coast guns to fire, with a comment about being either a hero or a traitor.

    He was taking the initiative, defined as doing something he had no authority to do, but that turned out OK in the end.

  173. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Bruce

    regards Hang Gliding – yes you said that before and huge Propps .. Yep I considered that… as to gliders ? I had huge fun in a Blanick .. In WA in summer .. just get a tow to eyebrow level and the Stratosphere is the limit … as to actually seriously flying a glider ? Call me chicken but if there are clouds with actual objects below? .. I kinda want a throttle to get me out of the murk.

    The Blanick got to be … “OK here we are at 20 thousand feet after that one thermal over Cunderdin …. Hmmmn ?” How do we lose some altitude … well no prizes for guessing what happens next … suffice it to say they spin brilliantly .. and loop and roll and all that stuff. I have flown a Pitts and they are snappy but kinda scary … but aerobating the Blanick is pure Heaven …BIG BUT

    Frowned upon by the Gliding Community …

  174. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    It’s pretty easy to find online. Increasing strikes on both sides, increasing movement of equipment to the border, and so on.

    I haven’t seen it anywhere Dover. And I look at a lot of sites. Obviously not those sites. Would you link us some links?

    Of course, since no site I’ve seen has said there’s anything other than trivial stuff is going on at Israel’s northern border, maybe your sites are not um, kosher?

    The IDF is ready and waiting. I think they want, viscerally, for Hezbollah to overstep. The Israelis are as furious as ever I’ve seen since 1973. They want to kiss arse and take names.

  175. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    or what ?

    For posting links to pro NAZi sites.
    If people come to the conclusion that he approved, that is all on him. And his evasiveness didn’t help.

    He is an adult.

  176. Barking Toad Avatar
    Barking Toad

    kiss

    Jebus BoN I hope that was just fat fingers

  177. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Top Ender

    Hey Mate you did better than I ever did… after spending some time in the Sea the idea of any “winching ” was right out! I just wanted back on deck and hot coffee , rice and chilli Blue Manna Crab … perhaps not made of sterner stuff? 😉

  178. Mark Bolton Avatar

    @Top Ender

    and I blush to say it … a Gasper.

  179. Zafiro Avatar
    Zafiro

    It was a very small pistol the South Vietnamese Police chief executed the Cong murderer with. Anyone have a guess?

  180. calli Avatar
    calli

    No, they didn’t BJ.

    The authorities said ”Neigh”, did they?

  181. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    For posting links to pro NAZi sites

    meh !

    ffs … standing against Palestine is enough to get you named as ‘literally, worserer than Hitler” these days

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