Open Thread – Wed 6 Dec 2023


Summer Day, Ivan Shishkin, 1891

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Dot
Dot
December 6, 2023 11:49 am

If most are interested and want to learn then peer pressure also assists. I think this would be harder in the schoolroom though, where the seating around tables

You mean like how in the workplace where you don’t sit in rows like a Prussian military formation?

Yes I’m being facetious but kids have to learn self control too. Discipline being imposed only goes so far.

As for me, back in my day:

Seats in High School were allocated in two semi circles for English & humanities and for science and maths in rows.

I think they tried everything in primary. Mostly to do with personal preference of the teacher or practicality to fit the seats in. We were over 30 kids in some class years. The echo boom.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
December 6, 2023 11:50 am

So, Lehrmann the midnight ninja wardrobe moth also took the smartphone off a millennial midwit?
He’d have more chance of wrestling the wheel of The Beast from a 200 pound marine

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 6, 2023 11:50 am

The way I read the MSM, that alleged “kiss” seems to be critical as to whether Bruce is guilty or not. They’ve been harping on it for days now.

FWIW I suspect Bruce and Brittany had consensual sex on Reynold’s couch. Deny everything, don’t give evidence at the criminal trial, test the Crown evidence is never a bad approach.

Dot
Dot
December 6, 2023 11:52 am

The Tuan Baby Hoax is still being pushed by the BBC and other anti Catholic bigots in 2023.

It’s a complete crock like he Kamloops “scandal”.

Digger
Digger
December 6, 2023 11:55 am

Did you look under the sun visor for the keys? That used to be a favourite place both Jack and Dad ‘hid’ them. ?

Thanks Winston… in 1965, at 15 years old and with no family car I didn’t even know what a sun visor was…

Winston Smith
December 6, 2023 11:56 am

Gabor
Dec 6, 2023 1:31 AM

Bruce in WA
Dec 6, 2023 1:21 AM
Reckons Venezuela is going to try and take Guyana’s oil assets.
Pretty much a lay-down misère I think.

Why?
I thought they had the second largest oil reserves in the world.

Gabor, it seems to be a way of stripping the US fuel supply.
Venezuela doesn’t want Guyanas oil, it wants to deny it to the industrialised West. The O’biden administration has already stripped a huge proportion of the US oil reserve, and made it almost impossible to rebuild from local production.
The aim is very clear – strangle the Free Worlds productive capability.

Figures
Figures
December 6, 2023 11:57 am

FWIW I suspect Bruce and Brittany had consensual sex on Reynold’s couch.

If he did, he must have the worst lawyer in history to suggest a “no sex happened” defence.

If Higgins had kept any evidence of sex at all (dress, doctor visit etc) then he was stuffed pursuing such a strategy.

But Lehrmann was 100% sure she hadn’t kept anything because it never happened.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 6, 2023 11:59 am

Vicki
Dec 6, 2023 11:19 AM

The OECD’s analysis explains one of the reasons for Australia’s underperformance is the high rate of disruption and lack of classroom discipline. Some 25 per cent of students said they could not work well in class, 33 per cent did not listen to the teacher and 40 per cent admitted they were distracted when using digital devices.

Why mobiles have been allowed for so long before the recent backlash is beyond me. I wouldn’t stand for any distractions – even teaching adults. I when I mean distraction – I mean for ME. I would not stand for students turning up late for class & distracting my train of thought – so I would lock the door 10 minutes after class began. As there were 2X 45 minute segments – they had to wait 45 minutes. As a result – almost no-one ever turned up late!

Vicki,

just received from SIL 12 Year Old Grandson’s 2023 Semester Two Year 6 Academic Report.

Detailed Comments and Assessments on all subjects – Mobile Phone ban has been in place all year – Phones handed in start of day and returned at end

Into High School next year – reads voraciously, learning Greek via Duolingo in his spare time and continuing with Mandarin taught at school – as I previously said will be doing Latin, French & Mandarin in high school

Re Locking out, we had 1 Girl in 397 Engineering 1 Students & and we all came togther in Chemistry 1 Lecture with Peter Simpson our lecturer – he was so popular with Girls that we were outnumbered ,and he had to close the doors to stop over crowding

calli
calli
December 6, 2023 11:59 am

Israel turns Gaza’s water back on.

Al Aqsa Flood – The Sequel

Alamak!
December 6, 2023 12:01 pm

He’d have more chance of wrestling the wheel of The Beast from a 200 pound marine

definitely an alpha male move and works for movie stars & F1 drivers etc. For lower-level canbra office drones probably not so much.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 6, 2023 12:06 pm

When someone obviously hasn’t clicked your link ?

Sorry, Rosie. One I missed. I am an ardent clicker of most of yours and appreciate the energy you put into it. Hairy coming in to use my computer for printing can sometimes lead to a lost plot for me. He keeps saying he’ll organise a remote printer, but so far it hasn’t happened.

lotocoti
lotocoti
December 6, 2023 12:10 pm

Another interesting article from Ayaan Hirsi Ali

“… the post-modern, politically correct atheists were like people who had suddenly found themselves in charge of a big and unfathomably complex computer system (viz. society) with no documentation or instructions of any kind, and so whose only way to keep the thing running was to invent and enforce certain rules with a kind of neo-Puritanical rigor, because they were at a loss to deal with any deviations from what they saw as the norm. Whereas people who were plugged into a church were like UNIX system administrators who, while they may not understand everything, at least had some documentation, some FAQs and How-tos and README files providing some guidance on what to do when things got out of whack.”
Neal Stephenson.
Cryptonomicon.

feelthebern
feelthebern
December 6, 2023 12:20 pm

FWIW I suspect Bruce and Brittany had consensual sex on Reynold’s couch.

My view, BL planned to get some action.
Then BH started with the up & unders.
BL then left & went back to his office for the period of time before leaving Parliament House.

What set BH off with the vomiting (she didn’t seem very drunk on the security footage)?
My view, they both did coke in the office.
The TV & movies don’t tell you this but sometimes a line of coke can set you off.

John H.
John H.
December 6, 2023 12:26 pm

Dot
Dec 6, 2023 11:42 AM
Bring back the ‘lecture’ situation to schoolrooms too.

Strictly speaking is not appropriate to university level topics. You’re going to give a lecture on genetic engineering and not allowing any questions because the tutorial/lecture system that emerged in the medieval period?

The market has moved to blended delivery, one upside to the multitude of downsides to COVIDmania.

With rare exception lectures are so boring. On youtube I often increase the speed to at least 1.5. Why spend all that time listening to someone drone on when the lecture notes are available? Tutorials can be fun.

More broadly education needs a complete rethink. It is ironic that academia, purportedly a bastion of original thinking, still relies on medieval teaching modes.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 6, 2023 12:27 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Dec 6, 2023 12:06 PM

When someone obviously hasn’t clicked your link ?

Sorry, Rosie. One I missed. I am an ardent clicker of most of yours and appreciate the energy you put into it. Hairy coming in to use my computer for printing can sometimes lead to a lost plot for me.

He keeps saying he’ll organise a remote printer, but so far it hasn’t happened.

Lizzie,

for Hairy recommend Brother HL-L2350DW Mono Laser Printer WiFi / Wireless Duplex – $199 at Bunnings or on Amazon

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=brother+hl-l2350dw+series+printer&ia=web

HP Laser 2200 from Mid 90s stopped working on my 2019 iMac, but worked on Wife’s early 2009 iMac

So did reviews & purchased Brother HL-L2350DW Mono Laser Printer WiFi / Wireless Duplex – works perfectly on my iMac & Daughter & SIL use WiFi to print from their iPhones/Macbooks

Alamak!
December 6, 2023 12:29 pm

My view, BL planned to get some action.
Then BH started with the up & unders.

exactly my thoughts, they both seemed to be heading into the building for some purpose and the smiles on BH are not those of a drone returning to the office for some forgotten work tasks.

The possibility of drugs is yet another reason why Higgins might have been wary of involving doctors or police immediately after the alleged event.

calli
calli
December 6, 2023 12:30 pm

Oh. And if you think I’m being callous about flooding out the tunnels, I hope these guys get caught up in it.

I hope they die utterly terrified and horribly and crying for the sows who bore them.

duncanm
duncanm
December 6, 2023 12:31 pm

I’m with ‘bern and Alamak!

BL thought he was in like flynn, but knickerless passed out on the lounge, or started chundering and he exited stage left.

Either way – there was consensual/self dress removal (no way he’d get that off without ripping it) before or after said exit.

John H.
John H.
December 6, 2023 12:32 pm

feelthebern
Dec 6, 2023 12:20 PM
FWIW I suspect Bruce and Brittany had consensual sex on Reynold’s couch.

My view, BL planned to get some action.
Then BH started with the up & unders.
BL then left & went back to his office for the period of time before leaving Parliament House.

What set BH off with the vomiting (she didn’t seem very drunk on the security footage)?
My view, they both did coke in the office.
The TV & movies don’t tell you this but sometimes a line of coke can set you off.

You could well be right. Youngsters on drugs like to do a dare. It is the one thing they both agreed never to mention. It might also explain why BH fell asleep because after a big night out and the Coke wearing off(30 mins) quickly she decided to have a lie down and fell asleep. IIRC BL sourced the coke. Probably had a top up before leaving. Saw BH asleep and thought stuff you won’t put out so I won’t wake you up, hoping she would be caught out but she had a cunning revenge plan … . Another crazy John speculation.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 6, 2023 12:34 pm

ftb – that would be even more plausible. Things certainly didn’t go as planned for Bruce but we’ve all had nights like that.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 6, 2023 12:39 pm

I hope they die utterly terrified and horribly and crying for the sows who bore them.

Lying, moaning in the mud, begging for mercy….

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 6, 2023 12:45 pm

Britain has opened up its welfare state to the world

Sustained mass immigration is tearing our fragile social contract apart

SAM ASHWORTH-HAYES

Immigration to Britain is stunningly high, with more than one million people arriving in 2022.

If this migration was driven by the world’s best and brightest coming to enrich our economy, that might be just about tolerable. Instead, too many migrants are benefiting from the largesse of the British government.

Just 335,000 of those coming in the year to September arrived on work visas.

The numbers were made up by their 250,000 dependants, some 486,000 students, 153,000 dependants of students, and a surge in humanitarian and family visas (a little under 200,000).

This is not immigration as economic rocket fuel, but as a short-term patch.

The dependants of people brought in to avoid paying British care-home workers more are unlikely to add significant economic value, and we can see this in the data; only 25 per cent or so are in work.

People arriving on social care visas are exempt from paying the NHS surcharge, and tend to work in low-paid roles.

There is a good chance that they are a net fiscal drain even though they cannot claim benefits; the rest of the country pays for the schools their children attend and their healthcare, too.

Similarly, the proliferation of university courses acting as de facto entry routes for those seeking a right to work is likely to select less for academic superstars, and more for those who wouldn’t otherwise qualify for work visas.

While also ineligible for benefits, their presence puts pressure on creaking infrastructure and tightly constrained housing.

The only way in which the Government’s plans to crack down on such exploitation should be controversial is that they do not go far enough.

Many would think that low-skilled foreign labour should be seen more like guest workers than potential citizens with a time-limited period in the country.

The alternative sets up problems for the future.

Once people become permanent residents, the cost to the taxpayer can rise considerably, particularly if they retire here.

It’s partly for this reason that several studies prior to Brexit found that non-EU migrants made a negative contribution to the public finances.

Other indicators bear this pessimistic perspective out.

Despite many theoretically being selected for their ability to work, foreign-born residents are more likely to live in social housing than those born in the UK.

In a country with a chronic housing shortage worsened by immigration, this is adding insult to injury.

This isn’t the result of a cold-eyed, self-interested system designed to benefit Britain and the British public; that would have people work here when young, and retire at home when old.

Instead, we have a charitable programme propped up by Government incompetence.

Much “necessary” immigration – students, care workers, doctors and nurses – is necessary only because government interventions and price controls have so distorted the market that it no longer functions.

But tackling these problems is hard, while turning up the flow of immigration is easy.

This is great for politicians and migrants.

The only people it doesn’t really work for are British citizens, who find themselves effectively funding a welfare state for the world.

Is it any wonder the social contract is nearing breaking point?

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
December 6, 2023 12:46 pm

A reflective Dr Janet.

JANET ALBRECHTSEN

Why not a welcome to country that’s for all of us — not some?

(A Wurundjeri elder performs Welcome to Country during the 2023 Australian Netball Awards.)

5:00AM DECEMBER 6, 2023 595 COMMENTS

On the night of the voice referendum Australia’s most impressive Indigenous leader, Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, called for a positive approach for Indigenous people and for the policies affecting them.

“It is time for a new era in Indigenous policy and the Indigenous narrative,” she said. “We need to step away from grievance. Attempting to bring about change through grievance has evidently got us nowhere.”

This year should not end without foreshadowing how this new era might begin. In the past month, small but important changes have signalled the start of rebellion against the perceived symbols of a divisive, separatist agenda.

Two South Australian councils, the City of Playford and the Northern Areas Council have voted to scrap acknowledgments of country from their correspondence or from the start of their meetings. The Shire of Harvey and the City of Bunbury in WA also reportedly are reconsidering their future use of acknowledgments of country.

(Welcome to Country being used to ‘divide us’
Sky News host James Macpherson says the Welcome to County makes a small group of non-Indigenous feel like they are “good people”. Mr Macpherson said for a small group of Indigenous people, it allows them to “feel special”. “But for the majority of Australians, we don’t have a …)

Since 1976, when Ernie Dingo and Richard Whalley performed what they claimed to be the first public performance of the modern welcome to country, this symbolic greeting by Indigenous people and its first cousin, the acknowledgment of country by non-Indigenous persons, have become near ubiquitous. Originally, and for many years, most Australians have regarded them as harmless goodwill gestures with no particular significance. Recognition of Indigenous people as the first inhabitants of this land and improving their life experiences are not controversial issues. Hence the initial instinct has been to go along happily with these apparently banal, feel-good rituals.

In recent times, the increasingly frequent repetition of these ceremonies, their length and occasionally incoherent political ramblings have caused grumbling, particularly when they kept us from the football. It is bemusing to be welcomed to our own country, especially when one reads reports that Indigenous groups charge government agencies between $5000 and $7500 for a welcome to country and up to $10,500 for the opening of parliament. Nonetheless, most of us went along with the palaver as innocent expressions of respect and goodwill, and were prepared to stifle any concerns.

The referendum campaign has changed all this. Careful scrutiny of the background to the Uluru Statement from the Heart and its attachments, rigorous analysis of the separatist under­pinnings of the legal movement spearheading calls for voice, treaty and truth, as well as unguarded commentary by the most outspoken Indigenous activists have shattered the benign ignorance of many Australians.

As long as the view that Australia was somehow constitutionally illegitimate and Australian sovereignty was dubious was confined to a group of radical legal scholars buried in the most postmodern corners of our universities, nobody paid much attention to claims for treaties and reparations. When the ABC claimed that Sydney was actually Gadigal land, we all thought this was just the usual emotional, irrational sloganising campaign journalists and we paid it no mind.

The referendum campaign, however, made clear this is a mainstream belief among key elements of Indigenous leadership. This wasn’t just Thomas Mayo or Midnight Oil telling us to pay the rent; we were being reminded that the Uluru statement said the voice was a first step to treaty and truth telling.That then made us read the books by prominent academics such as George Williams, telling us any treaty would involve recognition of Indigenous sovereignty and some type of self-government as well as the payment of substantial reparations.

If we were in any doubt as to what was at stake, the public statement made immediately post referendum by a group describing themselves as Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander leaders, community members and organisations that supported Yes, was like administering a powerful dose of smelling salts to the slumbering.

“We do not for one moment accept this country is not ours,” the statement read. “It is the legitimacy of the non-Indigenous occupation in this country that requires recognition, not the other way around. Our sovereignty has never been ceded.”

After this light-bulb moment, the slogan “always was, always will be, Aboriginal land” was suddenly infused with meaning. We had to start asking ourselves what it meant to say Sydney really was Gadigal land and Melbourne was Naarm, the land of the Kulin nation. These kinds of questions were no longer academic or irrelevant. The answers determine our fundamental constitutional legitimacy, ownership of land and issues of reparations.

Are we all Australians who share one unified political entity and whose land rights are determined by the Real Property Acts and other Australian land legislation as interpreted ultimately by the High Court – as Price would want? Or, as Mayo and co would have it, is this a continent shared by Australia with one (or possibly more) First Nations sovereign entities?

The language and appropriateness of welcome to country and acknowledgment of country thus become significantly more important and need to be parsed word by word. The answers tell us whether we are a Jacinta Price country or a Thomas Mayo country. An acknowledgment of country that starts by recognising “the traditional owners” or “traditional custodians” of the land on which people meet or work is a clear assertion of rights over land and founds an argument that these rights need to be paid for when it comes to treaty discussions.

Acknowledging that Indigenous people were the original inhabitants would be perfectly fine but raises another question: why do we acknowledge only the original inhabitants and their contributions to Australia and ignore all those who came to Australia subsequently?

In these days of inclusion, how can we justify the implicit insult to the waves of subsequent migrants inherent in excluding them from acknowledgment? These concerns explain not only why some councils are doing away with acknowledgments of country but also why some parts of corporate Australia are saying if we have to have something that looks or sounds like an acknowledgment it should recognise all the component parts of Australia, not just some parts.

Welcomes to country vary quite a bit but should be similarly parsed for intent and meaning. Claims of “our land” or “our country” are freighted with meaning and can be offensive to those who reject claims of separate sovereignty and ownership. Again, we should look for inclusive, not exclusionary, language. Telling ordinary Australians sitting in the stands of the MCG waiting for their footy match to start that this part of central Melbourne is Aboriginal land but the local owners will graciously allow visitors, and even welcome them, is not calculated to foster reconciliation.

With a new year, it’s time we forged a new, genuinely more inclusive path. If we have to have these kinds of greetings, why not one that treats us all on an equal footing? How about something like “Australians all let us rejoice, for we are one and free”?

Winston Smith
December 6, 2023 12:48 pm

Indolent
Dec 6, 2023 8:24 AM
DD Denslow

@wolsned
Dr. Mike Yeadon’s address to the Members of UK Parliament 4th December 2023.
“I am going to tell that the design of the so called vaccines was to intentionally harm people”
There was no pandemic.

https://twitter.com/wolsned/status/1731994071596503173?s=20
The issue – while important – now gives an enemy a foresight into how our society will react to a BioWarfare attack. And that is military intelligence beyond value.
After all, what is the point of conquering a nation and nuking it into something resembling a rubbish heap?
Better to kill everybody and take over the factories and defence establishments.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 6, 2023 12:56 pm

If Brittany sees off the SloMo and Albo governments she has probably done as much for the good governance of Australia in the last 20 years.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 6, 2023 12:56 pm

In the first place, God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made school boards.

– Mark Twain

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
December 6, 2023 12:57 pm

Avi:

As anti-Israel demonstrations continue to spread hate on Australian streets, Jewish community members and supporters gathered in Melbourne to take a stand against the growing threat.

Thousands of Aussies UNITE against rise in Jew hatred

Winston Smith
December 6, 2023 12:57 pm

feelthebern

Dec 6, 2023 8:49 AM
JC, look at her smiling when she answers.
What an evil bitch.

Feelthebern, I’m sure I’ve seen that woman and that smirk before in a video.
Does anyone else remember the face?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 6, 2023 12:58 pm

American democracy is exhausted – and US media elites are digging its grave

The incompetent, second-rate media circus has abandoned its duty as the guardian of a crumbling political system

JORDAN PETERSON

The absolutely dangerous inadequacy and self-serving mendacity of the legacy broadcast-and-cable TV networks in the United States was on full display last week.

The debate between Governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, and Governor of California, Gavin Newsom, was revelatory – but not in the manner intended by the hosting network or the participants.

What it revealed, instead, was the continuing naivete and poorly-formulated vision and strategy of both parties – and, more generally, a political system stunted by the Republicans and Democrats alike.

Fox News hosted the event. This was a strange and anachronistic choice. The days of the legacy TV news channel have ended, but that fact has not yet thoroughly permeated the dinosaur-consciousness of the political system, or its actors, even in the US, where the death of that past is most marked and evident.

The Fox News “debate” was also by no means a debate, nor even a discussion: it was a low form of entertainment, masquerading as serious endeavour.

The questions were not real questions, and the answers were, in consequence, equally meaningless.

I mean this in the deepest of all possible senses: the whole event was a stage show, designed to maximise conflict and attract “viewers”, however temporarily and destructively.

The faux-enthusiastic voice of a boxing match promoter would not have been out of place at the beginning, rallying avid and bloodthirsty viewers.

The second strangeness of choice was partisan: Hannity, the host, is clearly a conservative, on a network devoted to Republicans. That placed Newsom in the admirable and advantageous position of underdog. I could not help appreciating the fact that he put himself under fire, in enemy territory. Most of the questions posed were self-evidently Republican-oriented porcupine-quills, designed to get under the skin of Newsom and to stay there. I say that as no admirer either of the Governor of California or his policies. It was arguably brave, nonetheless, of Newsom to even show up with Hannity in the chair, although I think his bravado was that of an practiced showman rather than the courage of someone acting on his convictions.

This is in keeping with the “amusing ourselves to death” ethos of the broadcast TV networks, where production value, flash and a pseudo-professional appearance take preference over the package product that “content providers” deliver, painfully, hour-by-hour, minute-by-minute, second-by-second.

Hannity never asked a single true question: that is, a question that he had some reason for wanting to have answered.

What he received in response were precisely the false answers that such staged inquiries inevitably produce.

There was no actual curiosity on display, anywhere, of the sort that would allow the viewers to understand more deeply what motivated the two main players, or what they were putting forward for a plan.

Regarding said plan, that was perhaps the most disappointing element of the event: the naivete and poorly formulated vision of the participants.

The bulk of the back-and-forth comprised an exchange of criticisms; DeSantis leapt out of the gate with a blistering attack on his Democrat compatriot, producing a litany of complaints about the increasingly dismal state of the most beautiful, prosperous and arguably most influential member of the union.

Was that attack warranted? Well, Californians are leaving the state in droves.

DeSantis noted – quite properly – that the Golden State exodus became so rapid that people were having difficulty renting one of the ubiquitous U-hauls that migrants use to move their belongings when on a budget and in a hurry.

“Warranted or not,” however, is not the point.

Mutual whack-a-mole is not a good game, nor does it present itself as such. It adds immeasurably to the stress of political life, and produces little but cynicism on the part of the viewers and listeners.

DeSantis accused Newsom of the slipperiness for which politicians and others in the public eye are often truly characterised – and rightly so – but a political player cannot do so without simultaneously casting aspersions on his own character.

“I’m the exception to the political rule” is a claim that begs a number of questions: “Why, then, are you in the game? Why should we believe your assertions of moral authority, and not those of your opponent, who is also playing the same game?” If even someone in the game is cynical about the players, why shouldn’t we as citizens be dismissive of the whole enterprise?

That latter query is an increasingly widespread attitude.

It has become more and more difficult, for example, for me to attract views on my podcast for anyone of any political stripe whatsoever, regardless of their political opinions or performance as a guest, with a few cardinal exceptions.

Many podcast hosts report the same. People’s attention is certainly much more drawn elsewhere.

“We’re less stupid and destructive than our opponents” is a claim almost certainly true on the conservative side, given the terrible slide into Left-wing radicalism that increasingly characterises the Democrats – but it is hardly an inspiring vision.

It is also the case that the typical decent conservative is simply outmatched when it comes to character assassination and mud-slinging: the Left has elevated reputation-savaging and destruction to an art.

If I had to wager on who was better at it, by character and practice, I would place my bet on California’s all-too-smiley, shiny, slick and popular Newsom – rather than the earnest-to-the-point-of-easy-satire DeSantis.

Here are some real questions that serious, thoughtful people might perhaps really want to have answered: by what principles do you govern?

Why those principles, rather than the many others available? How do your principles differ, in your opinion, from those of your opponent? What is your vision, generally, for the future – and, more specifically, with regard to the important dimensions of human life: employment, entrepreneurship, education, energy, environment, family; with regard to civic responsibility, opportunity and duty?

Did anyone learn from the debate what would be different under DeSantis or Newsom, with regard to the energy that keeps our lights on, the environment that we will leave our grandchildren, or the educational and health systems that cost us ever more and in many ways deliver ever less?

The Fox hosting was designed to produce the “fiery debate” (which was almost all smoke, rather than true flames) it sold itself as in the aftermath mop-up.

That post-hoc analysis was also purely performative and formulaic, featuring as it did the same predictable commentators, looking both half-dead and pithed as they always do, in consequence of being unable to see or even truly hear their questioner or their fellow participants through the archaic single earbuds and faceless one-way camera the networks still inexplicably insist upon employing.

The discussion could have been mediated to maximise reasonable and informative exchange, rather than designed or allowed to spark and encourage a destructive fire.

An agreed-upon list of (real) questions would have improved things: some space for a genuine interviewer to interpose something spontaneous, and the imposition of some actual equally-agreed-upon rules of engagement: three minutes for a response, say, from each participant, with another minute or two for rebuttal.

Instead, it seemed that half the time Newsom and DeSantis were talking over one another, with Hannity’s voice frequently added to the fray. All that did was present a juvenile front.

We need to grow up, and quickly.

The tectonic plates are moving underneath us, at a rate heretofore unprecedented, and the shocks and after-shocks will be both continuous and great.

We can no longer afford – and probably never could – to parasitise the political process for the sake of the ratings that are, in any case, falling ever-further and seem fated to do so.

We’re embroiled in at least two wars.

Our societies are rife with internal conflict. We have great possibilities and great danger in front of us. We must negotiate that territory carefully or there will be an unimaginable price to pay. It would have been much better to have the discussion hosted by Joe Rogan, or Theo Von, or Lex Fridman – the popular podcast hosts derided by Newsom as leading “micro-cults”.

Those hosts attract large audiences because they ask honest questions and promote true dialogue, without any of the faux-entertainment hype that has characterised the political and ideational landscape since the widespread introduction of broadcast television.

Rogan manages to dominate the podcast landscape – making the charts in 65 countries – with a team that basically consists of himself and one assistant. Hype is not his aim.

The same is true of the other new media interviewers with true global impact.

Ultimately, we should be talking about what comes next, instead of casting aspersions at our hypothetical foes.

These are people we must live beside and with. We can accomplish that with vision, not with accusation – no matter how justified and necessary such accusation sometimes is.

Here’s a thought for would-be leaders: “My opponents are, at best, wrong not because of the errors they are currently making, no matter how manifold, but because the possibilities they are offering are simply not as attractive as what I am dreaming up and planning.”

I would love to see a true vision presented by the would-be leaders of the US, as the problems that beset America are characteristic of those plaguing us everywhere in the free and democratic world.

We need to up our game: conservatives, liberals and progressives alike.

Sadly, that is not what happened on the Thursday night of the ‘Right versus Left’ smoke-and-mirror juvenile broadcast brawl we were subjected to.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 6, 2023 1:02 pm

What set BH off with the vomiting (she didn’t seem very drunk on the security footage)?
My view, they both did coke in the office.

My prime suspects are a slug of unfamiliar licquor coupled with a whole tin of Cadbury Roses choccies.
Both knicked from the Ministerial stash.

JC
JC
December 6, 2023 1:05 pm

This is why The Turtlehead is too moronic to be at this site and ought to think about heading over to the furniture store where stupidity and bigotry excels.

Gabor, it seems to be a way of stripping the US fuel supply.

The US is energy independent

Venezuela doesn’t want Guyanas oil, it wants to deny it to the industrialised West.

Even if this were true demand is ultimately met with an equal amount of supply , all things being equal. You end up with client rotation just like we found with the Russia sanctions.

The O’biden administration has already stripped a huge proportion of the US oil reserve, and made it almost impossible to rebuild from local production.

US production is currently at record levels.

The aim is very clear – strangle the Free Worlds productive capability.

What’s clear is that the turtlehead is a moron.

Vicki
Vicki
December 6, 2023 1:08 pm

Oh. And if you think I’m being callous about flooding out the tunnels, I hope these guys get caught up in it.
I hope they die utterly terrified and horribly and crying for the sows who bore them.

I have read the new BBC article that you linked, Calli. Once again, the events of 10/7 are beyond anything I have ever come across. Across the ages, there have been horrific attacks on the enemy. But the treatment of women & families & even foreign workers on that day reflects something more. The bestiality comes from a dark place that centuries of teaching have accentuated.

I grieve not only for the victims, and for Israel & Jews everywhere, but especially the families of the victims. I cannot begin to imagine the mental anguish they are suffering – & will suffer for the rest of their lives – when pictures form in their heads of the final moments of their loved ones. That is a living hell.

And, of course, one grieves for the survivors. Many have committed suicide. Others have been committed to Israeli mental institutions since they are presently unable to deal with what they saw as they hid from the savages.

May the Lord ease their burden.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 6, 2023 1:10 pm

Daily Mail.

Indigenous leader says colonisation partly to blame for high rates of child sex abuse in Aboriginal communities

SBS show The Point discussed future for Indigenous Australians
Panelist Marcia Ella-Duncan addressed child sexual abuse

Yeah, life was just Utopia before the evil whitefella arrived on the scene.

C.L.
C.L.
December 6, 2023 1:12 pm

Acknowledging that Indigenous people were the original inhabitants would be perfectly fine…

Albrechtsen goes on to suggest we also ‘acknowledge’ everyone else.

Stupid idea, Janet. Never ever ratchet left-wing extremism by trying to tart it up. You only kill the weed by extirpating the root ball.

This is exactly the trap the nuclear right has fallen into. ‘Oh yeah – if you really want net zero, we must adopt nukes!’ Hahahaha. Gotcha.

Except no. All the Chris Kenny-ites are doing is 1) affirming the meta-lie – namely, that we have to reduce CO2 emissions and nukes are the best way to do it – and; 2) affirming that coal and gas really are bad.

Welcome tos and net zero must be rejected in toto.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 6, 2023 1:14 pm

Lizzie,

for Hairy recommend Brother HL-L2350DW Mono Laser Printer WiFi / Wireless Duplex – $199 at Bunnings or on Amazon

Consider sticking with cable connection if you live in a brick house with solid internal walls.
Ours is intermittent at best when the signal has to make it through 4-5 solid brick walls.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 6, 2023 1:14 pm

feelthebern
Dec 6, 2023 11:33 AM
Secretary Antony Blinken
@SecBlinken

Today, I announced a new visa restrictions policy targeting individuals and their family members involved in or meaningfully contributing to actions that undermine peace, security, and stability in the West Bank. Violence against civilians will have consequences.

https://x.com/SecBlinken/status/1732093745380659342?s=20

A couple of thoughts.
First, is this a – gasp – Muslim ban?
Second, the US is limiting the granting of visas, where Australia is embracing it. Something not quite right.

No, it’s a Jewish ban.

Dot
Dot
December 6, 2023 1:15 pm

Indigenous leader says colonisation partly to blame for high rates of child sex abuse in Aboriginal communities

“Look at what you made me do.”

Christmas will be early for some 13 year old girl because of my whiteness. No need to wait for the inevitable Christmas rush on domestic violence and abuse. Blame me, I’m another State and thousands of miles away.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 6, 2023 1:16 pm

Dot

I think they tried everything in primary. Mostly to do with personal preference of the teacher or practicality to fit the seats in. We were over 30 kids in some class years. The echo boom.

Bunch of wimps. Some of my primary school classes (early 1950s) had more than 50.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 6, 2023 1:16 pm

I smell smoke!
Señor, are you on fire?

Dot
Dot
December 6, 2023 1:17 pm

If you want to progress to 20th century technology, you must accept nukes.

Alamak!
December 6, 2023 1:19 pm

My prime suspects are a slug of unfamiliar licquor coupled with a whole tin of Cadbury Roses choccies.
Both knicked from the Ministerial stash.

Bit late and possibly asked but I missed it. Some good questions based on above theories:

– Did you eat chocolates that were in the Ministers office?
– Did you drink anything in the Ministers office?
– Did you throw up in the Ministers office or attached bathroom?
– Did you consume anything apart from alcohol on the night of alleged offence?

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 6, 2023 1:20 pm

What’s clear is that the turtlehead is a moron.

There’s a lot to unpack in that sentence, re the open-mindedness or otherwise of the author.
Should anybody be bothered, that is.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
December 6, 2023 1:21 pm

Wow Dreyfus loses his cool with a reporter. Dutton now needs to hammer him in parliament. Allowing Human Rights mobs to the High Court case on NZYQ is up there with Brandis’s deliberate sabotage of 18c with his bigot comment.

John H.
John H.
December 6, 2023 1:21 pm

Vicki
Dec 6, 2023 1:08 PM
Oh. And if you think I’m being callous about flooding out the tunnels, I hope these guys get caught up in it.
I hope they die utterly terrified and horribly and crying for the sows who bore them.

I have read the new BBC article that you linked, Calli. Once again, the events of 10/7 are beyond anything I have ever come across. Across the ages, there have been horrific attacks on the enemy. But the treatment of women & families & even foreign workers on that day reflects something more.

The Ottoman Empire genocides during WW1 were much worse. Sadly so few today have the courage of Hitchens. He was absolutely scathingly critical of Islam. Learn about the history of Islam. It isn’t about religion it is about power, the power to control peoples and nations.

Dot
Dot
December 6, 2023 1:22 pm

Silks charging $1200+ per hour arguing over the definition of consume in as far as insuffulation is “not” consumption.

This is why we invented blood sports.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 6, 2023 1:27 pm

Rockdoctor Dec 6, 2023 1:21 PM
Wow Dreyfus loses his cool with a reporter. Dutton now needs to hammer him in parliament.

Even my dog can spot the problem.
Labor yet again puts it’s balls into a dingo trap, SFLs won’t get around to snapping the trap closed, lest the Kean/Turnbull faction be upset.

Alamak!
December 6, 2023 1:28 pm

Silks charging $1200+ per hour arguing over the definition of consume in as far as insuffulation is “not” consumption.

This is why we invented blood sports.

Both blood sports and litigation are sports for the elite folks. To be discussed at length in the QANTAS Chairmans lounge.

Rabz
December 6, 2023 1:31 pm

Welcome tos and net zero must be rejected in toto.

Exactly. Stop giving this rubbish any credence in the first place.

feelthebern
feelthebern
December 6, 2023 1:32 pm

Any idea on where St Lisa is on the witness list?
Does she get to go last?

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
December 6, 2023 1:40 pm

Once again, the events of 10/7 are beyond anything I have ever come across.

Islam is murdering its way south through Africa on a daily basis, the white west shows no interest.

Morsie
Morsie
December 6, 2023 1:40 pm

Mate chatted ti a rich Chinese guy who told him that he had 2 hobbies red wine and litigation.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 6, 2023 1:42 pm

Any idea on where St Lisa is on the witness list?

Salvatore’s forecast: Her testimony/cross examination will be the most watched part of this entire circus.

In TV terms, it’ll rate its tits off.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 6, 2023 1:45 pm

Mate chatted ti a rich Chinese guy who told him that he had 2 hobbies red wine and litigation.

Know a bloke who cited his hobbies as being top shelf whisky, and dissipation.

Vicki
Vicki
December 6, 2023 1:46 pm

https://twitter.com/wolsned/status/1731994071596503173?s=20
The issue – while important – now gives an enemy a foresight into how our society will react to a BioWarfare attack. And that is military intelligence beyond value.

Before anyone freaks out too much after watching the address Mike Yeodan prepared for the UK parliament on 4 December:

1. I think there is little doubt now that the Covid19 virus escaped from the Wuhan lab where it was being developed in cooperation and using financial support (as amazing as that seems!) of the US government via the biological group EcoHealth alliance with further ties to the Uni of Sth Carolina.

2. The global spread of the virus caused quite a panic amongst the US health tzars commanded by Anthony Fauci (who, of course, understood its origin) & inspired an unholy alliance with the pharmaceutical companies which promised a quick fix response in insufficiently tested vaccines.

3. Whether, as Mike Yeodan is connived, that there were further evil intents (as if a research alliance with China isn’t enough!) by the biological military sector in the West – who knows? Unproven, in my humble opinion, although minds better than mine believe this.

4. Some of the very qualified medicos who opposed the application of the mRNA vaccines, and who have been subsequently been working for the last 3-4 years in understanding the virus (eg prominent cardiologist Dr. Peter McCullough) , believe that the adverse vaccine effects appear to resolve after about 1 year after the initial vaccination – the most lethal period being the first 6 months.

5. Most of the immunologists who opposed the application of mRNA vaccines also believe that the data indicates the initial strain of the virus was relatively mild for most healthy people who were not elderly.

On the last point, I hope time proves them to be correct. The predictions of the Belgian immunologist Geert Van Den Bossche (who says you must never vaccinate in the middle of a pandemic since it creates immune escape & worse strains) still gives me the creeps.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 6, 2023 1:47 pm

Sancho Panzer
Dec 6, 2023 1:14 PM

Lizzie,

for Hairy recommend Brother HL-L2350DW Mono Laser Printer WiFi / Wireless Duplex – $199 at Bunnings or on Amazon

Consider sticking with cable connection if you live in a brick house with solid internal walls.
Ours is intermittent at best when the signal has to make it through 4-5 solid brick walls.

Sancho,

same in our house – when Optus told me illegally in Dec 2017 they were disconnecting my HFC Internet because of NBN, I went with AussieBroadBand

I had run Optus Internet from their Router to 3 Netflix Routers over 3 Phase wiring (Power Circuits over 2 of the phases) using Powerline Adapters successfully for over 20 years

When NBN came in, it used the Telstra HFC Cable I had originally run from Telstra Pit in the street to side of house

Had intermittent problems with the NBN Internet over Powerline Adapters – after 6 months of tracing the problem with Aussie BroadBand Techo’s (Excellent) – bit the Bullet & ran Cat 6a cable from NBN Modem to 4 Points in Front and Back House using Cat 6a cable to connect from wall outlet using 8 port ethernet adapters to 4 netgear NightHawk R8000 (also connect TV, Fetch, X-Box via Cat 6a Cable from Adapters) – Works perfectly with WiFi spread throughout house

Have not gone Mesh Yet – happy with 4 Netgear sign on, only need for kids (and Self) to do once

For VOIP after problems on NBN went with a Cisco SPA112 2 Port Adapter, ably assisted by Excellent Aussie BroadBand Young Lady Techo in implementing (complicated)

Morsie
Morsie
December 6, 2023 1:53 pm

Had an HP printer fairly new but out of warranty .It shat itself one day and I could not print.Spent an hour on the phone with the HP guy but nothing worked.
Oh well he said I will se Nd you a new one.
Two days later it arrived and 2 years later its still working.

Vicki
Vicki
December 6, 2023 1:54 pm

The Ottoman Empire genocides during WW1 were much worse. Sadly so few today have the courage of Hitchens. He was absolutely scathingly critical of Islam. Learn about the history of Islam. It isn’t about religion it is about power, the power to control peoples and nations.

Thanks John H. I confess that I haven’t studied the genocides committed by the Ottomans during WWI. But I do know a little about the history of Islam & what it creates in the mindset of its followers.

Nonetheless, I hold to my belief that the atrocities of 10/7 surpass the mass atrocities of past civilisations – though, of course, battle events and civilian slaughter created individual butchery.

I challenge you, John – although I implore you not to put any details on the screen – to recall MASS events involving the ACTUAL nature of what was done individually to those souls on 10/7. Quite frankly, I fail to see how the human mind could conjure any torture worse than what many – female & male & of all age groups – – suffered on that day.

Vicki
Vicki
December 6, 2023 1:59 pm

Islam is murdering its way south through Africa on a daily basis, the white west shows no interest

Yes – I am aware of the atrocities that Africans have committed – the Tutsi atrocities in Rwanda are but one example – but the details are not in the same league. It is awful to try to compare examples of evil – you can’t really. But when you know the details of 10/7 there is some part of your humanity that knows the difference. That is all that I can say.

Dot
Dot
December 6, 2023 2:02 pm

Worrying about COVID ought to be a conservative and libertarian faux pas like worrying about CO2 emissions.

Roughly 1/20 of fatal COVID cases didn’t have comorbidities, but most of them had old age anyway. By the time vaccines existed, everyone had been exposed to COVID anyway.

No CO2 mitigation scheme has ever passed a reasonable cost-benefit analysis, to wit, Australia can’t do a damned thing about it. Even if we were the US or China, the timescale of warming is honestly in thousands of years, not hundreds and we’re still learning earth systems like oceans warming due to the asthenosphere being warmed because of solar system activity.

We have six years to not boil and the warmies are discredited forever. They’re just doubling down because we’d all be fried by 2030 or by now.

Another angle is we use AGW to get nuclear up. “Oh, you’re playing into the warmie’s hands!” perhaps, but AGW really played the environmentalists into nukes.

If you have a choice between spending 20 bn a year for four years on nuke generation or rolling out hydrogen fuel infrastructure, which do you choose?

If we’re only “allowed” to talk about the best possible solution then you cut yourself from talking about pragmatism when you don’t hold all of the cards.

Alamak!
December 6, 2023 2:04 pm

Quite frankly, I fail to see how the human mind could conjure any torture worse than what many – female & male & of all age groups – – suffered on that day.

Sadly not true. Try reading the Rise & Fall of the 3rd Reich by Shirer, particularly the documented experiments, and you might find worse.

rosie
rosie
December 6, 2023 2:07 pm

The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs has announced that the Resident Visa of the U.N. Humanitarian Coordinator for the Palestinian Territories, Lynn Hastings has been Revoked due to her Refusal to Condemn Hamas and assist the Israeli Government; Hastings who lives in Eastern Jerusalem has Two Weeks to leave Israel before she will be Deported.

I guess she could go stay in Gaza.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 6, 2023 2:10 pm

‘That question is absurd’: Australia’s Attorney General Mark Dreyfus snaps when asked to apologise for the release of sex offenders into the community

Australia’s Attorney General Mark Dreyfus has been blasted for his “disgraceful behaviour” after he snapped at a press conference and defiantly refused to apologise for the release of hardened criminals into the community following the controversial High Court decision.

Lauren Evans – Digital Reporter

Australia’s Attorney General Mark Dreyfus has defiantly refused to apologise for the release of hardened criminals into the community following a controversial High Court decision.

Mr Dreyfus snapped at a press conference on Wednesday morning when asked by Sky News Political Reporter Olivia Caisley whether he, Home Affairs Minister Clare O’Neil and Immigration Minister Andrew Giles, would apologise for releasing the criminals, some of whom have already been accused of re-offending.

“That question is absurd. You are asking a Cabinet Minister, three ministers of the Crown to apologise for upholding the law of Australia, for acting in accordance with the law of Australia, for following the instructions of the High Court of Australia,” Mr Dreyfus said.

“I will not be apologising for upholding the law. I will not be apologising for pursuing the rule of law and I will not be apologising for acting, do not interrupt, I will not be apologising for acting in accordance with a High Court decision.

“Your question is an absurd one!”

Deputy Liberal leader Sussan Ley has labelled the spray by Mr Dreyfus as “totally inappropriate” and called on him to apologise to the reporter.

“Disgraceful behaviour from @MarkDreyfusKCMP. Talking down to, and shouting at young women in the Press Gallery is totally inappropriate,” Ms Ley wrote on Twitter, shortly after the press conference.

“I note he didn’t act this way to any of the men asking questions. He should apologise immediately.

“@CalreONeilMP we can’t just ‘move on here’.”

The federal government’s preventative detention regime passed the Senate on Tuesday night with support from the Coalition, with the amended bill set to go through the House of Representatives on Wednesday.

Ms O’Neil was first asked by Ms Caisley if she owed the Australian public an apology after three freed detainees were arrested in the community in the wake of High Court’s decision to release 148 criminals from indefinite detention.

“The reason these people have been released from immigration detention is because the High Court has made a decision that means it’s illegal for us to continue to detain them. I have been happy to say on many occasions if I had any legal power to re-detain all of these people I would do it immediately,” Ms O’Neil said.

“What you have seen the government do is put in place, I have to say extensive legislation and layers of protection, the job of the three of us is to protect the Australian community and that’s exactly what we are focused on.”

Ms Caisely spoke of the heated press conference on Sky News Australia moments later.

“The Albanese government are under intense pressure over this High Court decision that’s seen the release of more than 140 individuals, including convicted criminals released into the community,” she said.

“This political firestorm has intensified over the weekend.”

The debate comes after the Australian Border Force on Monday confirmed a man was charged with two counts of indecent assault three weeks after being freed.

Separately, another detainee released in New South Wales was also recently charged with drug possession when he was allegedly caught with cannabis in Sydney’s west.

It was then revealed on Wednesday a 33-year-old man was arrested in Melbourne when he allegedly breached reporting obligations as a registered sex offender.

He was charged with nine counts of failing to comply with reporting obligations.

Vicki
Vicki
December 6, 2023 2:10 pm

Into High School next year – reads voraciously, learning Greek via Duolingo in his spare time and continuing with Mandarin taught at school – as I previously said will be doing Latin, French & Mandarin in high school

Re Locking out, we had 1 Girl in 397 Engineering 1 Students & and we all came togther in Chemistry 1 Lecture with Peter Simpson our lecturer – he was so popular with Girls that we were outnumbered ,and he had to close the doors to stop over crowding

Love it! I can recall an Anthropology lecturer at Sydney Uni who likewise was a stunner for the girls. Sadly, didn’t get enough marks in Anthropology to do a major! Even so, re someone’s that lectures are boring – I had an Ancient History lecturer (Edwin Judge – he is now Prof. Emeritus) who was mesmerising in his scholarship. He was outstanding – but most lecturers in those days were pretty good.

BTW wow Old Ozzie – your grandson is a star! Mine has been a star athlete (rugby & track at Scots) but struggles academically. Mind you, his grandfather reckons that he will be an ace salesman – he can sell us anything!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 6, 2023 2:13 pm

Victorian Ombudsman’s damning report blasts ‘culture of fear’ within the state’s public sector during Daniel Andrews’ era

A damning report from the Victorian Ombudsman has blasted the “culture of fear” within the state’s public sector under Daniel Andrews, who amassed more staff than the Prime Minister and New South Wales Premier combined.

Bryant Hevesi – Digital Reporter

A “culture of fear” within Victoria’s public sector is hampering efforts to provide “frank and fearless advice” to the government, according to a bombshell report.

Victorian Ombudsman Deborah Glass was tasked with investigating the alleged politicisation of the public sector over claims it had been “stacked with ALP operatives”.

Ms Glass said while the investigation did not substantiate those claims, she did find “creeping politicisation” was a reality and that required “urgent attention”.

A “troubling aspect” that emerged during the investigation was that a “number of public servants” were afraid to contribute to the report for fear of losing their job.

“Whatever the truth of the question at the heart of this investigation, that so many people were concerned and fearful should be a signal to this government that all is not well,” Ms Glass said.

“A culture of fear in the upper echelons of the public sector does not support frank and fearless advice.”

There were 45 highly placed public officials interviewed during the investigation, which also uncovered concerns about the power wielded by the Premier’s Private Office.

Some voiced concerns the “growth and influence” of the office “marked a worrying concentration of decision-making outside of specialist departments”.

Then premier Daniel Andrews was also revealed to have amassed a significant number of staff which paled in comparison to other state and federal leaders.

“In 2022 the Victorian Premier had roughly as many staffers as the Australian Prime Minister and New South Wales Premier combined,” Ms Glass said.

The Ombudsman was also scathing of the secrecy surrounding the early assessment of the Suburban Rail Loop project.

“It was subject to excessive secrecy and ‘proved up’ by consultants rather than developed by public servants,” Ms Glass said.

“Its announcement ‘blindsided’ the agency set up by the same government to remove short-term politics from infrastructure planning.

“The lack of rigorous public sector scrutiny over such projects before they are announced poses obvious risks to public funds.”

The investigation further “found frequent direct appointments of former ministerial staffers, rushed and shoddy recruitment practices, poor record-keeping and opaque selection methods”.

“Not only must merit selection be done, it must be seen to be done. Disregarding this principle makes it less likely that the public sector will attract and retain capable leaders,” Ms Glass said.

Ms Glass has made eight recommendations, including “steps to crackdown on the use of direct appointments to fill senior roles” and the appointment of a public service head.

Another recommendation is “the lifting of excessive Cabinet secrecy to bring Victoria in line with other jurisdictions”.

“Our recommendations speak to the need for greater independence in the appointment of public officials and improved security against ‘at will’ termination to mitigate the fear of speaking out,” Ms Glass said.

“But nothing will change without a recognition at the highest levels of government that change is necessary.”

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 6, 2023 2:14 pm

‘Third-rate amateurs’: Peta Credlin slams government over immigration detention ‘stuff up’

Sky News host Peta Credlin has slammed the government over its immigration detention “stuff up” after a third former detainee was arrested.

The High Court’s ruling that indefinite detention was unlawful allowed for the release of 93 people, including three murderers and several sex offenders.

The Coalition has called for Home Affairs Minister Clare O’Neil and Immigration Minister Andrew Giles to be sacked for not having legislation in place ready to go after the High Court’s decision.

“Ever since the High Court decision was brought down, that foreign criminals would be let out of detention and into the community, this government right up to the Prime Minister himself has looked completely inept, incompetent and frankly, like a bunch of third-rate amateurs,” Ms Credlin said.

The Sky News host called out the sheer “gutlessness” of the Prime Minister.

“As I have said before, the fish rots from the head, and the fact that the Prime Minister hid in his office and away from the media as news broke of these arrests says everything,” she said.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
December 6, 2023 2:15 pm

Dreyfus trots out the Nuremberg Defence.

Arky
December 6, 2023 2:18 pm

If you have a choice between spending 20 bn a year for four years on nuke generation or rolling out hydrogen fuel infrastructure, which do you choose?

..
The problem is that neither will get done.
The point isn’t we can’t build something to mitigate a fictitious emergency. The point is they manufacture the fictitious emergency in order to make it impossible to build anything that works effectively.
The lead times on nukes are horrific.
..
This plant is still not up and supplying electricity to the grid:
..

Southern Nuclear Operating Company (SNC) submitted an application for an early site permit (ESP) for the Vogtle site on August 15, 2006. On August 16, 2007, SNC submitted to the U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) a supplement to its ESP application expanding the scope of the application to include a request for approval to perform selected construction activities, generally labeled limited work authorization (LWA). On August 26, 2009, the NRC issued the Vogtle site ESP and LWA. For detail (including Revision 5 of the application…

..

Arky
December 6, 2023 2:20 pm

That is Vogtle Unit three.

JC
JC
December 6, 2023 2:21 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Dec 6, 2023 1:20 PM
What’s clear is that the turtlehead is a moron.

There’s a lot to unpack in that sentence, re the open-mindedness or otherwise of the author.
Should anybody be bothered, that is.

This guard dog routine is getting tiresome with this motel meddler.

Hey, I just had an idea. Driller has been complaining like a demon out of hell how the current blog owner should cull commenters here he (driller) doesn’t like . It’s clear he doesn’t like the place, and only recently he was defending Struphrid’s intelligence and insight and wit. It probably would be a good idea if Driller and the Turtlehead moved over to the furniture store. These two leading lights would be very happy over there and would be welcomed with open arms.

JC
JC
December 6, 2023 2:28 pm

Peron

Nuclear plants are moving from bespoke to scaled modular manufacture. By 2030, at the latest, the first reactors will be coming off the production line. As the manufacturing mufti try to keep up.

Black Ball
Black Ball
December 6, 2023 2:32 pm

Meanwhile, on the increasingly disastrous great gaping maw that is the NDIS, that braindead VD ridden sleazebag Teats Peanuthead will be ranting at the NPC tomorrow before some assembled meeja fluffers on the results of his wondrous NDIS Review.

Just sublime Rabz. (Standing ovation)

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 6, 2023 2:33 pm

‘Unimaginable cruelty’: Joe Biden says Hamas raped, mutilated women during Israel assault

Boston: US President Joe Biden said that Hamas had repeatedly raped women and mutilated their bodies during its October 7 assault on southern Israel, citing survivors and witnesses of the attacks.

Speaking at a political fundraiser in Boston on Tuesday (Boston-time), Biden said accounts of “unimaginable cruelty” had been shared over the past few weeks.

Boston: US President Joe Biden said that Hamas had repeatedly raped women and mutilated their bodies during its October 7 assault on southern Israel, citing survivors and witnesses of the attacks.

Speaking at a political fundraiser in Boston on Tuesday (Boston-time), Biden said accounts of “unimaginable cruelty” had been shared over the past few weeks.

On Tuesday, Biden blamed Hamas for the collapse of a truce last week that had halted Israel’s retaliatory military campaign against Gaza, saying the militant group’s “refusal to release the remaining young women is what broke this deal”.

During the fundraiser, Biden said: “Everyone still being held hostage by Hamas need to be returned to their families immediately. We’re not going to stop.”

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Tuesday he had heard stories of sexual abuse at a meeting with hostages returned by Hamas during a recent pause in the fighting in Gaza.

“I heard stories that broke my heart, I heard about the thirst and hunger, about physical and mental abuse,” Netanyahu said at a news conference.

“I heard and you also heard, about sexual assault and cases of brutal rape unlike anything.”

Arky
December 6, 2023 2:35 pm

JC
Dec 6, 2023 2:28 PM
Peron

Nuclear plants are moving from bespoke to scaled modular manufacture.

..
So you reckon a green fields modular nuke will go through the permitting process quicker in Australia than the 18 years it took Southern to get an extra reactor up and running in an existing nuclear plant that already had multiple reactors on site in the USA.
Good luck.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 6, 2023 2:36 pm

WorldMiddle EastIsraeli-Palestinian conflict

Opinion
Hello, I’m Jewish. Hand me a keffiyeh
Jenna Price
Jenna Price
Columnist and academic
December 5, 2023 — 11.45am

Listen to this article
6 min

There is, I think, the hint of a better future after the latest heartbreaking revelation to emerge from the Middle East that the Israeli government knew a year ago about Hamas’ plans for the horrific murders on October 7.

It knew. It did nothing.

Why is that knowledge good news? It means Israelis must be several steps closer to ditching Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the man who must accept not just significant responsibility for the devastation and murders in Gaza, but also for the continuing despair of what remains of the Jewish diaspora. The man who pretends to be strong but is not. The man who could not even defend his own country despite considerable advance warning of the attack.

Dave Sharma, former ambassador to Israel and the newest Liberal senator, sees no way back for Netanyahu: “This security failure on his watch spells the end of Netanyahu’s prime ministership.”

Hello. My name is Jenna Price and I’m Jewish. It’s a line I use when I find myself facing raging antisemitism. It interrupts the conversation and warns antisemites I’m about to take them on. You’d be surprised by the number of people who think it’s hilarious to make jokes or tropes about Jews. I don’t share your sense of humour, if that’s what you call it. I don’t think it’s funny when you mock Aboriginal people or Indian people or people of Muslim faith. You are a bigot and a racist.

I’m appalled at what’s happening to Palestinians. I’m appalled successive Israeli governments have seized land that was not theirs and dispossessed men, women and children from their homeland. I’ve moved from being a person utterly wedded to the two-state solution to being one who despairs that there will ever be a solution of any kind, except a horrific one. Netanyahu’s popularity, and that of his party, Likud, is in the basement. Now Israel is in the most precarious position it’s ever been in: a brief reminder Israel exists because of the Holocaust.

Polls in Gaza show a majority did not want to break the ceasefire. Palestinians don’t want war either. No one does. But Israelis keep electing deranged right-wing populists, and some of them on more than one occasion.

Netanyahu’s desire to bomb the life out of Gaza is destroying Palestine and the Palestinians. He’s fuelling the existence of Hamas. He has murdered thousands of Palestinians to make it look as if he is doing something, anything. All that does is strengthen Hamas’ power and influence. Netanyahu is murdering Palestinians and he is also harming the diaspora. He is risking the lives of Jews.

These actions are fuelling a rise in antisemitism across the world. As a Jew who is not a Zionist (yes, there is a difference!) I have not seen levels of antisemitism this bad in this country since I was a child. Shops in Melbourne are being plastered with stickers calling for a boycott of Jewish businesses. At rallies, we’ve heard chants of “f— the Jews” and “gas the Jews”

Senior freelance writer

The attendant rise in rampant Islamophobia is terrifying. For some reason, Australians seem unable to tell the difference between Jews and Zionists and between Muslims and Hamas. It is possible to be one without the other. “Can all the reasonable voices get together?” one Muslim leader asks me.

This climate is provoking overreaction from Jews in Australia to acts I consider fall far short of antisemitism. Three young idealistic actors wearing Palestinian scarves at the Sydney Theatre Company? Pull yourselves together. It’s nice that the young and privileged are having a go, though actors engaging in after-show theatrics is probably the bare minimum. Jews giving up their support and subscriptions to the STC because three kids wore Palestinian scarves? Spare me. Empathy is not, should not be, either/or. They weren’t wearing Hamas flags or wearing badges which said Boycott Jewish Businesses. They were standing up for slaughtered civilians.

They were doing exactly what I did, about 40 years ago, and supporting the Palestinian people. (Admittedly my attempt was assisting with screen printing posters.) My mother was not pleased.

The current torrent of antisemitism is a direct result of the way Netanyahu has gone about Israeli business over decades. Power-mad. Embroiled in corruption charges. Surrounding himself with other military crazies. Propping up the Hamas terrorist group and playing it off against the Palestinian Authority. Murdering and starving the people of Palestine, who also have a right to their land, and to peace.

Can Jews and Palestinians co-exist peacefully? Not so far. But they have the right to try.

What doesn’t help is the peanut gallery. I’m shocked by the dimwits on either side of the debate who seem to thrive off commenting on others’ trauma, who don’t despise rape and murder no matter the victim. I’m shocked at the bandwagoning going on from people who have no idea, no skin in the game, no prior knowledge and no real sympathy for either Muslims or Jews. “Allow me to trend” on some social media platform is how I see it.

Sharma isn’t Jewish. And most non-Jews don’t think antisemitism exists in this country. But Sharma says: “I’ve now seen levels of antisemitism I didn’t think existed in Australia. This has shocked me. It is as if they feel they now have a licence to express it.”

When a girlfriend called me, mid-November, in pain and rage at what was going on, I asked her to calm down. Now I think the adage might be true: people don’t hate Jews because of Israel, they hate Israel because of the Jews. Netanyahu has given people an excuse to unleash their antisemitism. I pray he has also given Israelis the power to unleash their votes against him.

Arky
December 6, 2023 2:37 pm

JC
Dec 6, 2023 2:28 PM
Peron

..
Peron is yet to see a comment from you today worth up ticking.
But keep trying mate.
I commend the effort.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 6, 2023 2:38 pm

Arky
Dec 6, 2023 2:18 PM
If you have a choice between spending 20 bn a year for four years on nuke generation or rolling out hydrogen fuel infrastructure, which do you choose?

The problem is that neither will get done.
The point isn’t we can’t build something to mitigate a fictitious emergency. The point is they manufacture the fictitious emergency in order to make it impossible to build anything that works effectively.
The lead times on nukes are horrific.
..
This plant is still not up and supplying electricity to the grid:
..
Southern Nuclear Operating Company (SNC) submitted an application for an early site permit (ESP) for the Vogtle site on August 15, 2006. On August 16, 2007, SNC submitted to the U. S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) a supplement to its ESP application expanding the scope of the application to include a request for approval to perform selected construction activities, generally labeled limited work authorization (LWA). On August 26, 2009, the NRC issued the Vogtle site ESP and LWA. For detail (including Revision 5 of the application…

Interestingly, the UAE (COP28 is being held in Dubai) has the Barakah Nuclear Energy Plant –

The Barakah Nuclear Energy Plant is located in the Al Dhafra of the Emirate of Abu Dhabi on the Arabian Gulf, approximately 53 km west-southwest of the city of Ruwais. The Plant’s four APR1400 design nuclear reactors will supply up to 25% of the UAE’s electricity needs once fully operational.

Construction of the plant commenced in July 2012, following the receipt of the Construction License from the Federal Authority for Nuclear Regulation (FANR) and a No Objection Certificate from Abu Dhabi’s environmental regulator, the Environment Agency – Abu Dhabi (EAD).

The Barakah plant is an important part of the UAE’s efforts to diversify its energy sources, and will provide clean and efficient energy to homes, businesses and government facilities while reducing the nation’s carbon footprint. When fully operational, the Barakah Nuclear Energy Plant is expected to prevent up to 22 million tons of carbon emissions every year, equivalent to removing 4.8 million cars from the roads.

https://www.enec.gov.ae/barakah-plant/#:~:text=The%20Barakah%20Nuclear%20Energy%20Plant,electricity%20needs%20once%20fully%20operational.

For Australia, maybe SMRs are the way to go. Cheaper and quicker to build?

Roger
Roger
December 6, 2023 2:42 pm

Great optics from Dreyfus.

Chuckle.

Vicki
Vicki
December 6, 2023 2:43 pm

https://joannenova.com.au/2023/12/nz-whistleblower-finds-death-rate-from-one-batch-of-injections-was-21-gets-arrested/

Was “Winston Smith” the NZ whistleblower, the “Winston Smith” of the Catallaxy blog???

JC
JC
December 6, 2023 2:44 pm

Peron is yet to see a comment from you today worth up ticking.
But keep trying mate.
I commend the effort.

You keep looking, Peron. There’s always hope.

I’m frankly surprised the we-make-nafink expert doesn’t realise just how quickly nuclear is moving from bespoke to scaled manufacture with costs collapsing and approval and licensing cleared at the blue print stage.

It’s like he’s defending Chris Bowen’s vile stupidity.

JC
JC
December 6, 2023 2:48 pm

So you reckon a green fields modular nuke will go through the permitting process quicker in Australia than the 18 years it took Southern to get an extra reactor up and running in an existing nuclear plant that already had multiple reactors on site in the USA.

Yes, your leadership. I do. By 2030 plants will be coming off the production lines at scale and there won’t be modifications. In fact modifications would be considered dangerous.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
December 6, 2023 2:48 pm
Dot
Dot
December 6, 2023 2:50 pm

The problem with New Zealand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_National_Government_of_New_Zealand#Ministers

It’s a very long list.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 6, 2023 2:51 pm

Jenna Price: proof some people are as they look.

So-called academic Jenna Price writes in the Sydney Moaning Herald that it’s basically all Israel’s fault.

They could have stopped the terrorism but didn’t.

She’s unhinged and on the public teat.

Miltonf
Miltonf
December 6, 2023 2:51 pm

So do.i have this right?.Gurgle said they only had to release one criminal and they released a bunch of them? Unbelievable but I think they really wanted to do it.

Miltonf
Miltonf
December 6, 2023 2:57 pm

What a toxic mediocrity Dreyfus is.

Chris
Chris
December 6, 2023 2:59 pm

OldOzzie, I must share – one day – (nah buggrit, now!) a particular chemistry lecture of Peter Simpson.
Miss W was a Top student, daughter of senior prof of Engineering and one of three females entering our year, and who went on to greatness. Mr N sat with her in lectures, a classmate distinguished by hard work and niceness.
He described the assumption of a reversible reaction; using Miss W on a perfectly balanced pulley, lowered infinitesimally slowly from the ceiling over Mr N; such that the most infinitesimal touch from the finger of Mr N would cause Miss W to rise toward the ceiling.
After-action report from Mr N stated that Miss W went purple.
Later Peter Simpson said when I reminded him of it, that reversible reactions would never have to be explained again to anyone in that lecture.

Arky
December 6, 2023 3:04 pm

Here’s your best small modular nuke case, among a plethora of other cancelled projects.
I chose the best:

On December 1, 2021 Ontario Power Generation (OPG) has selected the BWRX-300 SMR for use at the Darlington Nuclear Generating Station.[1] In October 2022, OPG applied for a construction license for the reactor. The company expects to make a construction decision by the end of 2024 and has set a preliminary target date of 2028 for plant operations.[2]
..
So to summarise:
Applied for a construction license at an existing nuke plant two years ago, still no decision, and a target of 2028 for operating.
Just for comparison, Southern believed their new reactor at Vogtle was going to be up and running in 2017. Still isn’t.
Great technology, would love to see it happening, but that isn’t the point. The point is that the wreckers won’t let it happen.
You won’t get any benefit from abandoning current fossil fuel technology for something you think the greenies and warmists will find more acceptable. They didn’t decide on the global warming narrative because they wanted you to have new cool nuke technology.
You are repeating the mistake of offshoring, that didn’t work out the way you thought either did it? It didn’t usher in a great new era of labour sanity and deregulation because the people who wrecked labour in the West didn’t do so in order for you to get a great new and willing workforce.

C.L.
C.L.
December 6, 2023 3:07 pm

Dreyfus is the man who ordered the arrest of Daniel Duggan.

No charges.

Catholic family man: terrorist cell in solitary.

Muslim rapist: motel and some walkin’ around money. (+a woman to rape).

JC
JC
December 6, 2023 3:11 pm

The world has moved on from 2017.

You are repeating the mistake of offshoring, that didn’t work out the way you thought either did it? It didn’t usher in a great new era of labour sanity and deregulation because the people who wrecked labour in the West didn’t do so in order for you to get a great new and willing workforce.

Can someone untangle this drivel?

I suspect he’s saying we need a need era of modified Peronism.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 6, 2023 3:12 pm

What a toxic mediocrity Dreyfus is.

would saying a bit like the encrustations on the bottom of the night soil tin be too harsh?

Winston Smith
December 6, 2023 3:13 pm

Dot:

Yes I’m being facetious but kids have to learn self control too. Discipline being imposed only goes so far.

The first rung on the discipline ladder is imposed discipline. When that is accomplished, the child can move onto various degrees of self disciple.
To expect a ten year old to somehow develop adult levels of self discipline is fraught with danger – it’s why we don’t let them have the keys to the car and drinks cabinet.
You must have had spectacularly self developing children.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 6, 2023 3:14 pm

“That question is absurd. You are asking a Cabinet Minister, three ministers of the Crown to apologise for upholding the law of Australia, for acting in accordance with the law of Australia, for following the instructions of the High Court of Australia,” Mr Dreyfus said.

“I will not be apologising for upholding the law. I will not be apologising for pursuing the rule of law and I will not be apologising for acting, do not interrupt, I will not be apologising for acting in accordance with a High Court decision.

“Your question is an absurd one!”

Ms O’Neil was first asked by Ms Caisley if she owed the Australian public an apology after three freed detainees were arrested in the community in the wake of High Court’s decision to release 148 criminals from indefinite detention.

“The reason these people have been released from immigration detention is because the High Court has made a decision that means it’s illegal for us to continue to detain them. I have been happy to say on many occasions if I had any legal power to re-detain all of these people I would do it immediately,” Ms O’Neil said.

If they had not been in such a mad rush to release the lot, they would have discovered that the High Court decision applied only to the specific individual whose appeal was being heard.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
December 6, 2023 3:14 pm

Can’t verify the veracity of this circulating (spam?) email but the message certainly rings true.

A German’s View on Islam

This is one of the best explanations of the Muslim terrorist situation. His references to past history are accurate and clear. The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

‘Very few people were true Nazis,’ he said, ‘but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.’ ‘My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.’

‘We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that Islam is a religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.’

‘The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.’

‘The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the ‘silent majority,’ is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.’

‘The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery? Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’?
‘History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.

Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.’

‘Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.’ What do statistics tell us: not later than 2051 France will have more Muslims than Christians, The Netherlands to follow just a couple of years later, Belgium probably by the year 2060, and Germany already has over 8 million Muslims which is to say, 10% of its population and every week new ones coming from war-torn countries.

Mosques are mushrooming all over the E. U. receiving construction permits on a daily basis. Go and ask for a church construction permit not even as far as Saudi- Arabia, just start asking in Turkey and you’ll feel a hard kick in your butt.

‘Now Islamic prayers have been introduced in Toronto and other public schools in Ontario , and, yes, in Ottawa , too, while the Lord’s Prayer was removed (due to being so offensive?). The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country – until the fanatics move in.’

‘In Australia , and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation’s shores. Why – because they dare in the name of God.

‘In the U. K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of “no-go” zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.’

‘As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts – the fanatics who threaten our way of life, and they do so in the name of God’.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is not serious is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand.

Let us hope that thousands world-wide read this, think about it before it’s too late, and we are silenced because we were silent!!!

JC
JC
December 6, 2023 3:24 pm

If they had not been in such a mad rush to release the lot, they would have discovered that the High Court decision applied only to the specific individual whose appeal was being heard.

B John.

I haven’t followed it that closely. Is that true? The High Court didn’t grant blanket decision, but was specific to case it heard only?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 6, 2023 3:28 pm

Anthony Albanese is accused of failing a major leadership test – so could this be the beginning of the end of Labor’s political reign?

. Prue Macsween slams ‘incompetent’ Albanese government
. Social commentator said Labor is suffering ‘political paralysis’

Anthony Albanese has been accused of failing a major leadership by test by social commentator Prue MacSween as criminal asylum-seeking migrants roam free in the community – after a landmark High Court decision released 150 detainees.

Already three of the freed detainees – including a paedophile and a sex offender- have been arrested and charged on separate incidents.

Despite mounting public anger about the Albanese government’s handling of the issue, Mr Albanese is yet to respond to calls from the Coalition to sack the ministers who oversaw the debacle, or front cameras to reassure Australians that the situation is under control.

MacSween claimed Mr Albanese failed a leadership test by not fronting up to address the issue.

‘Anthony Albanese is a weak leader, he’s panic stricken, and he’s still sulking about the Voice to Parliament outcome,’ Ms MacSween told Daily Mail Australia, following on a damning poll that found the PM was a ‘beta male’ and a ‘follower not a leader’.

‘He doesn’t have the ticket to handle the calamity of his own making. He’s run away.

Ms MacSween’s comments called out Mr Albanese’s recent overseas trips, and called on him to spend more time focusing on issues at home.

A new preventative detention regime to try to put the detainees back behind bars passed the Senate on Tuesday and is set to clear the lower house on Wednesday night.

But the opposition argues legislation should have been primed to be enacted as soon as the court handed down its decision so no one was freed.

MacSween said that by not addressing this earlier, Labor’s ‘inexperience’ in office had been exposed

‘They must be suffering political paralysis,’ she continued.

‘They have no clue how to handle this crisis of their own making. Labor is treating voters like fools and shifting the blame.

‘They’ve proven themselves to be completely incompetent and arrogant – they think they can just brazen it all out, but voters are onto them.’

The detainees arrested include Afghan refugee Aliyawar Yawari, 65, who was charged with indecently assaulting a woman at a hotel in South Australia on Saturday. Meanwhile, Mohammed Ali Nadari, 45, was arrested over drug charges in New South Wales.

Then on Monday, Emran Dad, 33, a registered sex offender who was the ringleader of a child exploitation gang, was arrested in Melbourne for allegedly making contact with minors on social media and breaching his reporting obligations.

Ms MacSween criticised Home Affairs Minister Clare O’Neil after she stayed silent on the alleged crimes committed by the released detainees for three days and only addressed the media this morning after facing calls to resign.

‘She can appear on as many TV shows as she likes, the issue is that she’s incompetent and that she’s put Australians at risk,’ she said.

‘And this woman who has been allegedly assaulted – I hope she throws the book at the government at the expense of the taxpayer of course.

‘How many more people will be exposed to these people who were in detention because they failed a good character test.’

Ms MacSween said the Albanese government was shaping up to be a ‘one-term’ administration due to a lack of strong leadership.

‘They need to man up and come out of hiding.

Right now, they’re probably in their offices sucking their thumbs, or maybe they’re in the fetal position.’

The latest debacle comes just days after a poll revealed Mr Albanese’s approval rating has sunk to its the lowest level since he became Prime Minister.

Labor’s vote has fallen four points to 31 per cent in the past three weeks, while the Coalition’s has risen a point to 38 per cent – its highest since the May 2022 election.

On a two-party preferred basis, Labor and the Coalition are tied 50-50 in the poll, which would likely lead to Labor losing five seats and its majority if an election was held this weekend.

Mr Albanese’s personal approval rating, which fell two points to 40 per cent, is now level with Liberal leader Peter Dutton.

This represents a 12 per cent slide in just the four months since July.

Making matters worse, the Prime Minister’s dissatisfaction level has risen to 53 per cent, giving him a net approval rating – satisfaction minus dissatisfaction – of minus 13.

C.L.
C.L.
December 6, 2023 3:30 pm

If they had not been in such a mad rush to release the lot, they would have discovered that the High Court decision applied only to the specific individual whose appeal was being heard.

Correct.

Winston Smith
December 6, 2023 3:31 pm

John H

With rare exception lectures are so boring. On youtube I often increase the speed to at least 1.5. Why spend all that time listening to someone drone on when the lecture notes are available? Tutorials can be fun.

And yet, I learn best using the lecture method. The written word sometimes makes little sense to me, and requires repetition to understand.
Different strokes, I suppose.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 6, 2023 3:31 pm

What a toxic mediocrity Dreyfus is.

He has flown under the radar among the dregs of R-G-R. You think now is his time to shine.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 6, 2023 3:33 pm

JC
Dec 6, 2023 3:24 PM
If they had not been in such a mad rush to release the lot, they would have discovered that the High Court decision applied only to the specific individual whose appeal was being heard.

B John.

I haven’t followed it that closely. Is that true? The High Court didn’t grant blanket decision, but was specific to case it heard only?

That is my understanding of the case, once the High Court deigned to release its reasons for the decision.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 6, 2023 3:34 pm

And The Australian Labor Party, Greens, Some TEALS & Palestinian Lovers in Australia Support These Plaestinina Gazan Hamas Barbarians!

Hamas shot female Israeli soldiers ‘in the crotch, intimate parts and breasts’ as part of ‘a systemic genital mutilation’: IDF reveals many victims’ corpses still had agonised looks on their faces

. An IDF soldier said that Hamas violated the bodies of female soldiers
. Shari Mendes’s unit blesses the bodies of the dead before they are buried

WolfmanOz
December 6, 2023 3:35 pm

Miltonf
Dec 6, 2023 2:57 PM
What a toxic mediocrity Dreyfus is.

He’s more than that . . . if I posted what I really thought about this human piece of garbage I’d be banned !

He’s my local Federal MP . . . and I had a run in with him over a decade ago where at a local meeting where he was speaking he asked for questions.

I asked him as an MP is his first loyalty to his constituents or his local political party ? (the meeting was local objection to what was being proposed by the Labor Party and he clearly replied that his first loyalty was to his party which prompted me to ask him what was he standing there representing us when he was arguing against his own constituents.

Things got a bit heated with others chimed in and the little runt soon scuttled off.

I followed him up with a couple of emails in which I got curt replies (probably from his staffers).

At a couple of subsequent local meetings he refused to answer any questions.

I wouldn’t p!ss on him he was on fire.

JC
JC
December 6, 2023 3:37 pm

CL

The only country that is able to move away from net zero is the US because we can’t as we’re too small to reject it. We could then follow behind, but Australian unilateral rejection will result in punishment through duties and outright sanctions by both the US (with the current administration) and the EU.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 6, 2023 3:37 pm

feelthebern
Dec 6, 2023 1:32 PM

Any idea on where St Lisa is on the witness list?
Does she get to go last?

This is going to be epic viewing from about 30 seconds in.
I hope Whybrow opens up by taking the Toad through her illustrious career in investigative j’ism. Right from advice on lipstick colours in Dolly, through touting River Danube boat cruises on Today, right up to hosting the Perject (which describes itself as a light-hearted take on news and current affairs). He might even ask her which university she got her j’ism degree from (she doesn’t have one).
Then get into it:
Whybrow: “Explain to the Court, Toad, what corroborating evidence you obtained to support Ms Hoogin’s claims”.
Toad: “Err, well, she was very upset and adamant that …”
Whybrow: “Yes, we know what Ms Hoggins claimed, but what corroboration did you seek?”
Toad: “Corroboration?”
Whybrow: “Yes. Independent evidence. From a third party”.
Toad: “Well, her boyfriend said she was very upset.”
Whybrow: “Her boyfriend? Ms Hoggins had a boyfriend at the time this alleged assault took place?”.
Toad: “No. I mean Fatso Shiraz. Her boyfriend at the time of the Perject stitch-up.”
Whybrow: “Oh. And when did Fatso Shiraz become Ms Hoggins boyfriend?”
Toad: “I don’t know. A while later I think …”
Whybrow: “So he wasn’t a contemporaneous witness then, was he?’
Toad: “Well, no, but …”
Whybrow: “Did you seek any other corroboration of Ms Hoggin’s claims or attempt to cross check her story?”
Toad: “Well, no. Because women don’t lie about such things”.
Whybrow: [then leads Toad through the multiple easily proven lies Ms Hoggins did, in fact, tell].
Lisa is going to find that this giving evidence thing, without the benefit of pre-record and editing, and without a producer feeding her lines through the earpiece, is tougher than it looks.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 6, 2023 3:37 pm

A German’s View of Islam — it is an echo of what Brigitte Gabriel way back — and here is a recent interview with her by David Rubin. Brigitte Gabriel is a very courageous woman.

JC
JC
December 6, 2023 3:41 pm

That is my understanding of the case, once the High Court deigned to release its reasons for the decision.

Surely the AG department and others would’ve advised the government it wasn’t a blanket ruling. Why on earth would they have let these loons out as it wouldn’t take Einstein to figure out the risk reward. They can’t be this stupid even though they are. Did they get the wrong advice then?

C.L.
C.L.
December 6, 2023 3:42 pm

…Australian unilateral rejection will result in punishment through duties and outright sanctions by both the US (with the current administration) and the EU.

Nah. They need our gear now more than ever. Everyone’s trying to de-Chinerise their supplies. I call bullshit.

Rabz
December 6, 2023 3:42 pm

The point is that the wreckers won’t let it happen.
You won’t get any benefit from abandoning current fossil fuel technology for something you think the greenies and warmists will find more acceptable. They didn’t decide on the global warming narrative because they wanted you to have new cool nuke technology.

Exactly. It is not about going greenfilth (you soon to be serfs), it is about going without.

Winston Smith
December 6, 2023 3:43 pm

Lizzie,

for Hairy recommend Brother HL-L2350DW Mono Laser Printer WiFi / Wireless Duplex – $199 at Bunnings or on Amazon.

I have one – exact same model.
Will not recommend.
Setup was relatively easy – it runs off a USB and wireless link and had no problem on setup.
Print quality is poor. For a B/W laser printer, the settings deliver at best a slightly washed out deep grey. Unacceptable.
Upgrades are on average once a month, and I strongly suspect Brother has farmed out this function to another company on the cheap.
My password doesn’t work and I am exposed to near constant reminders to accept the upgrades which will not download without password acceptance. Discussing this issue with the software company led me through a series of hoops that the young man on the other end of the line obviously had, but he felt like stuffing around the customer on a power trip.
Brother is on my shitlist, along with Coon Cheese, Dell, etc.
Either give the customer support the company claims in its ads, or they don’t get my business.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 6, 2023 3:44 pm

Dover

My memory of Sabra and Shatila (Were they more of those refugee “camps” in multi-story reinforced concrete buildings?) was that the massacre was by Lebanese, albeit the IDF guards at the entrances let them in. There were PLO fighters in both “camps”.

I do not recall reading descriptions akin to the events of 7 October, IIRC, for example, mass rapes were not reported.

Perhaps you can clarify?

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 6, 2023 3:45 pm

Winston Smith Dec 6, 2023 3:31 PM

John H
With rare exception lectures are so boring. On youtube I often increase the speed to at least 1.5. Why spend all that time listening to someone drone on when the lecture notes are available? Tutorials can be fun.

And yet, I learn best using the lecture method. The written word sometimes makes little sense to me, and requires repetition to understand.
Different strokes, I suppose.

Depends on the course content, who is delivering it, & who made the video.

Video tutorials (usually Youtube) drive me bonkers as the information delivery is very slow & it is quite difficult to go back through & revise.
Textbooks can be as boring as bat droppings.

Muscle memory of writing out the course content helps, especially as it is then in a format you created & are able to understand.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 6, 2023 3:45 pm

When angry, count to four; when very angry, swear.

– Mark Twain

JC
JC
December 6, 2023 3:46 pm

Nah. They need our gear now more than ever. Everyone’s trying to de-Chinerise their supplies. I call bullshit.

The EU threatened Trump with a heavy tax on both US imports and exports until he told them to f..k off and said he would double theirs.

What do they need from us that would give us leverage?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 6, 2023 3:46 pm
Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 6, 2023 3:46 pm

HP printer 9020 – Laserjet I have two in the home office one networked and the other not. Work like.a charm.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 6, 2023 3:49 pm

The Solicitor-General would have provided advice to the AG on the High Court ruling and how the new legal test was to be applied. I’m not sure exactly which public servant would have drawn up the list of who they thought was caught (no pun intended) by the new test. The High Court finding the legislation invalid isn’t really the issue here. The government response is though.

Alamak!
December 6, 2023 3:50 pm

The only country that is able to move away from net zero is the US because we can’t as we’re too small to reject it. We could then follow behind, but Australian unilateral rejection will result in punishment through duties and outright sanctions by both the US (with the current administration) and the EU.

Do what the big guys do, claim net0 as the goal but 10/20 years after everyone else. Will get some shit for this but just point at China, India as the “global leaders” to be emulated …

Oh, and perhaps develop a metric of energy security with direct/indirect reliance on other countries. Plus a testable model of energy resilience showing (fully costed) plans A/B/C when energy source W, X, Y, Z stops working.

The current course seems to be based on too few ‘experts’ pushing uncosted solutions that cause us to be reliant on too few providers/suppliers. In this area diversity === strength.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 6, 2023 3:52 pm

JC
Dec 6, 2023 3:41 PM
That is my understanding of the case, once the High Court deigned to release its reasons for the decision.

Surely the AG department and others would’ve advised the government it wasn’t a blanket ruling. Why on earth would they have let these loons out as it wouldn’t take Einstein to figure out the risk reward. They can’t be this stupid even though they are. Did they get the wrong advice then?

I have not seen any reference to the content of any departmental advice, but it is quite clear that they released the 148 (a larger number than even all of those under detention who might have been affected by the case, under 100 IIRC) without waiting for the Courts reasoning to be provided.

There seem to be two options:

The government rushed into a decision without thinking about it.

Or, the government took the opportunity to gain some “street cred” with the refugee lobby, regardless of any potential impact on the population.

Others might have harsher opinions, I am trying to take the optimistic position.

JC
JC
December 6, 2023 3:52 pm

The government response is though.

If the ruling was case specific then that’s one side, however if the ruling was blanket what could they have done that was different?

Winston Smith
December 6, 2023 3:53 pm

Old Ozzie:

Britain has opened up its welfare state to the world
Sustained mass immigration is tearing our fragile social contract apart

Thanks for that, OO.
So the question is – and it’s the one no one is game to answer, even ask – where do we see GB in 5 years time?
Don’t everyone speak at once…

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 6, 2023 3:54 pm

Deputy Liberal leader Sussan Ley has labelled the spray by Mr Dreyfus as “totally inappropriate” and called on him to apologise to the reporter.

“Disgraceful behaviour from @MarkDreyfusKCMP. Talking down to, and shouting at young women in the Press Gallery is totally inappropriate,” Ms Ley wrote on Twitter, shortly after the press conference.

This is so typical of the Gen Z “master tacticians” employed by both parties.
Who gives a shit if a lady j’ism got yelled at?
This could easily now degenerate into a pissing contest over who has the biggest “wymminses problem” and the real issue (the release of several dozen crooks into the community) is lost.
Point out that Doofus is panicked and the Liars are a rabble who still haven’t got answers weeks after the release.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 6, 2023 3:55 pm

Just sawthe video of Mark “Bullyboy” Dreyfus’ misogyneee. What a vulgar prick. I wonder how the MSM will respond. Does anyone know who the female journalist is who asked the question which got Dreyfus’ undies in a bunch?

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 6, 2023 3:55 pm

That is my understanding of the case, once the High Court deigned to release its reasons for the decision.

Estimated 400 to 5000?
Was the preferred method involve rape
Those involved including the military were held accountable by Israel.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 6, 2023 3:57 pm

Never apologise to j’ismists. They are vermin.

Alamak!
December 6, 2023 3:57 pm

The government rushed into a decision without thinking about it.

Or, the government took the opportunity to gain some “street cred” with the refugee lobby, regardless of any potential impact on the population.

Dumb or Dumber?

Surely if the scope of advice from SG or clarity of judgement from SC was unclear some means of clarifying the decision would be available?

/IANAL

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 6, 2023 3:57 pm

Please delete my last comment, Dover.

I ain’t interested in playing whatabout.

Rabz
December 6, 2023 3:58 pm

Albansleazey’s approval rating has sunk to its the lowest level since he became Prime Minister

He’s also in trooble in Grayndler as he’ll no doubt discover if he bothers to seek re-election – which is looking increasingly unlikely given he’s about to be ignominiously jobsacked.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 6, 2023 3:58 pm

JC
Dec 6, 2023 3:52 PM

The government response is though.

If the ruling was case specific then that’s one side, however if the ruling was blanket what could they have done that was different?

The HC have subsequently released their reasoning confining it to the single case.
In any case, a Government intent on playing hard-ball would have restricted it’s actions to that individual and force every last one of the others to make a court application. OK, that wouldn’t have taken long, but it would have provided some breathing space.
No.
The Liars thought they could satisfy the Green-Left by letting the release happen, and blame the HC and Dutton if criticism came from the other quarter.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 6, 2023 4:01 pm

LOL

No idea how that happen.

JC
JC
December 6, 2023 4:03 pm

No.
The Liars thought they could satisfy the Green-Left by letting the release happen, and blame the HC and Dutton if criticism came from the other quarter.

If that’s the case, these cretins make Rudd and Gillard governments look top notch. FMD.

Dot
Dot
December 6, 2023 4:04 pm

To expect a ten year old to somehow develop adult levels of self discipline is fraught with danger – it’s why we don’t let them have the keys to the car and drinks cabinet.
You must have had spectacularly self developing children.

The task at hand was creative arts, humanities or basic science (after mandatory morning English and arithmetic).

– not drunk driving!

Gabor
Gabor
December 6, 2023 4:04 pm

Daily Mail article:

Jacqui Lambie launches legal action against Indigenous activist who questioned her heritage and said too many ‘poor whites’ are claiming to be Aboriginal.

Actually looking at her recent photo, she looks more aboriginal than a lot other claimers of the same.

Dot
Dot
December 6, 2023 4:05 pm

2028 is very good if that does come true and SMR goes online.

calli
calli
December 6, 2023 4:06 pm

Once again, the events of 10/7 are beyond anything I have ever come across.

Islam is murdering its way south through Africa on a daily basis, the white west shows no interest.

This stuff…torture, burnings, kidnapping and murder is commonplace in Africa. And some parts of Asia. Usually directed against Christians.

For all its “woke” credentials, the western press ignores it. Perhaps black Christians just don’t matter. It has taken the huge, widespread publication of crimes against Israelis, particularly Israeli women, to concentrate people’s minds on the threat.

The fact that our own politicians and police seem incapable of curbing the excesses means that they have been bought – either by power or fear – into assuming a supine position. Which means, like Great Britain, our country has been usurped by people who would harm us.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 6, 2023 4:09 pm

Morsie Dec 6, 2023 1:53 PM
Had an HP printer fairly new but out of warranty .It shat itself one day and I could not print. Spent an hour on the phone with the HP guy but nothing worked.

Had a Kyocera office printer, one of those things that has its own stand & several paper trays, etc etc.

A fuser unit or something went on the blink. Armed with the part number (longer than a credit card number) I phoned the Kyocera spare parts number.

After an hour & a half on the phone I gave up, as they were clearly never going to sell me a replacement part.
I’d answered every question, where I bought the printer, when I’d bought it, my name, business name, address, telephone number, email address, & all manner of similar questions, that are a “requirement” of a spare part sale.

Alas the Kyocera call centre was unable to find my address on google street view, & was unable to view my building via google street view.

They would not accept that my street is not on google street view, nor that my address does not ‘auto-complete’ when typed into that ‘address & postcode’ software that seems to be endemic to all manner of online spare parts websites.

This mean they were unable to sell me the part.
One & a half hours of my time, One & a half hours of Australian call centre time for Kyocera.

To not sell a $100 spare part.

I’d phoned in the expectation that it’d be similar to calling Ford or Holden, you’ve got a spare part number, “Yeah, mate, where do we send it?” and the deal is done, 4 minutes maximum. Had I got the part number or the address wrong, that would be my lookout.

My current printer is most definitely not a Kyocera.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 6, 2023 4:12 pm

dover0beach
Dec 6, 2023 4:04 PM
My memory of Sabra and Shatila (Were they more of those refugee “camps” in multi-story reinforced concrete buildings?) was that the massacre was by Lebanese, albeit the IDF guards at the entrances let them in. There were PLO fighters in both “camps”.

I do not recall reading descriptions akin to the events of 7 October, IIRC, for example, mass rapes were not reported.

Perhaps you can clarify?

Just google it. Start with the summary on Wiki.

I did, I remain confused.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 6, 2023 4:13 pm

The Sky News reporters was lovely brunette Olivia Caisley-Mark Dreyfus all chauvinist pig in a sty which is the current Albanese government. Chesty Blonde isn’t doing much better

Dot
Dot
December 6, 2023 4:13 pm

SMRs go online.

Winston Smith
December 6, 2023 4:14 pm

JC:
US Strategic Oil Stockpile.
US Oil production is up, but not going into the strategic reserve in any meaningful quantity to rebuild.
A blip of a couple of months production does not refill 3 years of oil plunder.

Dot
Dot
December 6, 2023 4:16 pm

If you’re energy independent, aren’t the wells themselves the strategic reserve?

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 6, 2023 4:22 pm

Sky news anchor: “Palestinians in Gaza don’t have electricity”

IDF Spokesperson: “They literally filmed Hamas parading the hostages being released on their charged smartphones”

Sky news anchor: “Um, we gotta end this interview”

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 6, 2023 4:23 pm

J’ismists routinely treat people like they are dodgy washing machine repair men on A Current Affair. They get very precious if the favour is returned.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 6, 2023 4:25 pm

John Pesutto, Lisa Wilkinson. I cannot decide which one I most want to see cleaned out via losing a defamation case brought against them.

calli
calli
December 6, 2023 4:28 pm

The Wiki piece gives a possible insight into Sharon’s ceding of Gaza. Was he assuaging guilt?

Did the IDF commit atrocities in Beirut? The piece is not clear, although the thrust of the account is that they stood by and allowed it to happen, ie. guilt by omission.

I remember the war, but only as a consumer of western reporting at the time. A young mum, if you like, with many cares. What strikes me is the descent into savagery that consumes the perpetrators – it’s beyond anything one could imagine.

rosie
rosie
December 6, 2023 4:30 pm

There is nothing unique about what happened in Israel on 7 October.
The only difference is whether one’s religion sanctions such behaviour, or not.
A thousand blood soaked armies in history have played out that kind of wanton rape and murder with mutilation, no holds barred.
What do people think happened at the fall of Constantinople, if you weren’t raped and murdered you were taken as a slave.
The British and the Portugese ran amok at San Sebastian in 1813 and on and on and on it goes
san Sebastian

Bar Beach Swimmer
December 6, 2023 4:30 pm

BJ:

Or, the government took the opportunity to gain some “street cred” with the refugee lobby, regardless of any potential impact on the population.

Yesterday, I referred to Andrew Clennell of Sky News reporting that as a result of a FOI request, Dreyfus gave permission to the AHRC to lodge a submission with the HC regarding our obligations under international agreements in this case.

Previous to this request from the AHRC the organisation had lodged similar requests in what I understand were two similar cases before the HC during the last Coalition Govt when first, Porter, and then Cash, was the Attorney General, to which both refused.

We also know that during the case O’Neill did not dispute a question from the Justice(s) that without the identification of a third country to take this person, the applicant was effectively being held under indefinite detention, which later in the judgement was deemed to be unlawful. Hence the release of the plaintiff ( and the rest of those in detention).

I can’t believe that the this cohort of fools (Dreyfus, O’Neill and Giles) would not have received legal advice from the Solicitor General, and others in their depts, that by acknowledging the likelihood that the plaintiff was effectively being held in indefinite detention – the question that was asked well before the judgement was given – would not have been a red flag.

To my way of thinking, the two facts – 1) the authority given the AHRC to make its submission to the court and 2) the red flag question of indefinite detention, should have raised the understanding of the Three Stooges that there was a risk to the detention regime that had been in place for twenty odd years.

There’s also the statements by Michaelia Cash, after the judgement was handed down, that the case only covered the claimant listed and not the rest of the detainees, which anyhow were also released.

So what I see is a shoring up of their credentials with the left as well as their own philosophical aversion to sovereign borders including the ongoing management of all illegal aliens.

“Stooges”, I call them, and stooges they remain.

Winston Smith
December 6, 2023 4:31 pm

Vicki

Dec 6, 2023 2:43 PM
https://joannenova.com.au/2023/12/nz-whistleblower-finds-death-rate-from-one-batch-of-injections-was-21-gets-arrested/

Was “Winston Smith” the NZ whistleblower, the “Winston Smith” of the Catallaxy blog???

No, Vicki. Not me. However it appears the NZ whistleblower has uncovered something rather repugnant.

Bar Beach Swimmer
December 6, 2023 4:33 pm

Sal @ 4:25pm
There’s enough to go around for both of them.

calli
calli
December 6, 2023 4:35 pm

Yes, rosie. That’s the tin tacks of it.

Someone got stuck into me for imagining instant obliteration for the perpetrators of the unthinkable. They’d be swallowing their dentures over my comments earlier today over the tunnel flooding.

rosie
rosie
December 6, 2023 4:35 pm

Exactly Dover, war crimes were committed by everyone in the Lebanese Civil War, which is why when it ended they decided not to prosecute anyone.

calli
calli
December 6, 2023 4:36 pm

Civil wars are horrible things by their very nature, Dover.

Pray we never have one here.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 6, 2023 4:40 pm

dover0beach
Dec 6, 2023 4:21 PM
I did, I remain confused.

By what?

The lack of references in Wiki to mass rape, torture, mutilation and hostage taking.

Just yet another account of the mass killings that occur regularly in that region.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 6, 2023 4:40 pm
Boambee John
Boambee John
December 6, 2023 4:43 pm

calli
Dec 6, 2023 4:28 PM
The Wiki piece gives a possible insight into Sharon’s ceding of Gaza. Was he assuaging guilt?

Did the IDF commit atrocities in Beirut? The piece is not clear, although the thrust of the account is that they stood by and allowed it to happen, ie. guilt by omission.

I also recall that it was junior IDF soldiers who nudged the j’ismists (western ones, IIRC) to go into the “camp”: and investigate.

I have not seen similar reports about Hamarse “warriors of Islam” tipping off western j’ismists to events in Gaza.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 6, 2023 4:43 pm

At this link ignore the Dreyfus bit and scroll down to see the Hidia Thorpe show — for one thing I think she needs better foundation garments.

Cassie of Sydney
December 6, 2023 4:46 pm

The Sabra and Chatilla massacres were a horrendous crime, a crime committed by Lebanese Phalangist militias under the command of Bachir Gemayel.

The IDF does hold some culpability, in that they should have stepped in to stop the massacres, but they didn’t. They knew it was happening. Ariel Sharon, stationed in Beirut at the time, glibly said words to the effect that such atrocities are the ‘Lebanese way”. The IDF stood condemned for not stopping the massacres. Years ago I knew someone who was a soldier in the IDF stationed near the camps. He and other soldiers heard the gunfire, the screams and the cries, and they begged Sharon to do something. He refused to.

The outrage in Israel after the Sabra and Chatilla massacres was huge. In 1983 or 1984, after the war, there was an inquiry in Israel into the massacres, and there were consequences.

On February 8, 1983, the Kahan Commission of Inquiry released its “Report into the Events at the Refugee Camps in Beirut” and determined that the massacre at Sabra and Shatilla was carried out by a Phalangist unit acting on its own. While no Israelis were directly responsible for the events which occurred in the camps, Israel did know of the Phalangist’s entry into the camps.

The Commission asserted that Israel had indirect responsibility for the massacre: Prime Minister Menachem Begin was found responsible for not exercising greater involvement in the matter; Defense Minister Ariel Sharon was found responsible for ignoring the danger of bloodshed when he approved the Phalangists’ entry as well as not taking appropriate measures to prevent bloodshed; IDF Chief of Staff Raful Eitan was found responsible for not giving the appropriate orders to prevent the massacre.

The Commission recommended that the Defense Minister resign, that the Director of Military Intelligence not continue in his post and other senior officers be removed.

It is in no way comparable to the events of 7 October 2023 for a number of reasons, but let’s begin with this reason, does anyone here seriously reckon that there will be a similar inquiry in Gaza under Hamas into the atrocities committed by Hamas on 7 October 2023?

I think we know the answer to that question.

calli
calli
December 6, 2023 4:47 pm

BJ, they were there, all you have to do is scroll down. Horrible stuff. What isn’t exactly clear is who did it and who stood by and let it happen.

Back then there wasn’t the availability of information that is now part and parcel of our lives. We consumed what was dished out to us. Even Wiki, as we well know, can be manipulated.

I have no doubt though that the atrocities as described were documented.

calli
calli
December 6, 2023 4:51 pm

Thanks Cassie.

In many ways it reminds me of the horrors of the Tutsis and Hutus in Rwanda. The UN was told to stand down. We know what happened.

They too have not been held to account.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 6, 2023 4:51 pm

Thank you Cassie.

All I add it was Homa Paxtons go to squirrel whenever something happened in Israel.

local oaf
December 6, 2023 4:51 pm

Does Albo still think he’s the opposition leader? All his government seems to do is attack the Liberals.

The enquiry into Morrison’s multiple ministries.

The Robodebt enquiry.

The Covid enquiry – only into the former Liberal government’s actions.

The Voice. As soon as Dutton pointed out that it wasn’t a plebiscite and that Albo was required to provide details, it turned into a non-stop attack on the Liberals claiming they were racist.

Now we have the quite likely deliberate release of these detainees.
I’m sure they thought that the inevitable public outrage would be focused on the bad legislation put in place by the Liberals.

The government should be starving the opposition for oxygen, denying them any media coverage at all. Instead, Albo and his cronies have successfully made Dutton the dominating figure in Australian politics.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 6, 2023 4:53 pm

for one thing I think she needs better foundation garments.

The lady does need a decent corsetoire, yes.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
December 6, 2023 4:54 pm

Bugger “Creative Arts” for an education. You cannot teach anyone to be creative, often the perverse teaching of kids to be repetitious is the stock in trade of kaftanned Gramsci’ites.*
We’d do well to get back to the discipline of craft in art.
*Rhymes with Shi’ites

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 6, 2023 4:58 pm

a crime committed by Lebanese Phalangist militias under the command of Bachir Gemayel.

Wasn’t it the murder of Gemayel that sparked off those massacres?

Dot
Dot
December 6, 2023 5:00 pm

Crafts as such would formally be titled “Creative Arts”.

If a teacher programmes in “Art” (be it painting, drawing, sculpture, pottery, sewing, etc), and BOSTES audits them, then they get marked down for using the “wrong” name.

No no.

It’s Creative Arts.

calli
calli
December 6, 2023 5:00 pm

if there are other cases like X?

I think we can circle the globe many, many times and find plenty of historical “cases like X”. It is our great shame as humans, and bears witness to the imprint of our slavery.

We think, this time, this time it’s different. But it isn’t different, regardless of our technology, our sophistication, the thing we describe as our culture.

But, to our credit, even if it’s only a tattered shred of it, we recognise evil for what it is. This time it’s happening before our eyes, not in retrospect, smoothed over by historians and revisionists. We need to grasp what we know now. It is a gift called “the present”.

Roger
Roger
December 6, 2023 5:03 pm

Mark Dreyfus all chauvinist pig in a sty which is the current Albanese government. Chesty Blonde isn’t doing much better

Dreyfus may have been a decent barrister in his day but as a politician his haughtiness has always been his weakness. Luckily for him he’s in a safe seat.

His display today – at the worst possible time for the government – was unnecessary as O’Neill had already batted away the question.

And if his grief over his wife’s death is having an impact on his work he should take leave.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
December 6, 2023 5:03 pm

We wouldn’t tolerate some sprog presenting something discordant, derivative, half-baked and poorly executed on a recorder, so why do we tolerate this for sculpture, portraiture, or literature?

Roger
Roger
December 6, 2023 5:04 pm

And well said, calli.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 6, 2023 5:06 pm

On people who should not be trusted on matters reffo the Liars, in particular the Liar Left, would be right near the top. Who could forget those Gillard press conferences, with an Admiral in the background, telling us it was push factors and boat turn backs wouldn’t work?

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
December 6, 2023 5:06 pm

Recent study from Canadian National Uni confirms that true creativity can only come through stress, as a direct effect of forging new pathways in the brain.
Can’t come from a whalesong-n-incense classroom environment.
Change the word, BOSSIES, it does not mean what you think that it means.
*can’t link, currently under tree

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 6, 2023 5:07 pm

The local Palais d’Piss has run out of the German beers I like. I have fallen back on a Sapporo (the basic one, not the golden-tinned premium label Yebisu – which includes the now defunct syllable ‘ye’, which no longer exists in modern Japanese).

Is this harbinger of the new impoverished existance that the wamies and socialists have in mind for all of us? I had not fully comprehended the stakes until just now.

calli
calli
December 6, 2023 5:12 pm

true creativity can only come through stress

The essay deadline. The plans that have to be submitted…yesterday.

I know it well. You’re at your most creative when you’re under the pump.

Now that I’m at leisure, the cul de sacs and pinch points drive me crazy. Sometimes I long for a commission just to get the juices flowing again. The perils of retirement.

feelthebern
feelthebern
December 6, 2023 5:13 pm

true creativity can only come through stress

Or DMT.

Roger
Roger
December 6, 2023 5:13 pm

The local Palais d’Piss has run out of the German beers I like.

I’ve noticed that too, ML.

Nary a Bitburger Pils to be found.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 6, 2023 5:13 pm

And if his grief over his wife’s death is having an impact on his work he should take leave.

. I agree very sad for him and his family 44 years of marriage it’s hard to get over such a loss in a month particularly as it was a long battle with cancer.

Alamak!
December 6, 2023 5:13 pm

We think, this time, this time it’s different. But it isn’t different, regardless of our technology, our sophistication, the thing we describe as our culture.

exactly, calli. my early reading of Shirer showed me that advanced european societies were capable of and responsible for evil outcomes despite their claims to high ‘culture’. I was shocked (still) at what ‘we’ were/are capable of.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 6, 2023 5:14 pm

Vicki

Dec 6, 2023 2:43 PM

https://joannenova.com.au/2023/12/nz-whistleblower-finds-death-rate-from-one-batch-of-injections-was-21-gets-arrested/

Was “Winston Smith” the NZ whistleblower, the “Winston Smith” of the Catallaxy blog???

No.
The latter has an extensive collection of whistles for all manner of emergencies, but couldn’t blow any of them without the user manual.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 6, 2023 5:14 pm

for one thing I think she needs better foundation garments.

Is that is what is known as letting it all hang out?

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 6, 2023 5:16 pm

The essay deadline. The plans that have to be submitted…yesterday.

Yep my best written work was when deadline approached

JMH
JMH
December 6, 2023 5:18 pm

I have tried to scroll the vomit. I cannot any longer. It is obvious to me why dover doesn’t drop the hammer on the major blog wrecker. It comes down to $$$. There you have it, folks. The maggot buys his way.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 6, 2023 5:20 pm

Nary a Bitburger Pils to be found.

They’ll be making movies about us one day, Roger. Indomitable spirits in a time of unimaginable adversity.

The Hops of Wrath, I am thinking.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
December 6, 2023 5:21 pm

for Hairy recommend Brother HL-L2350DW Mono Laser Printer WiFi / Wireless Duplex – $199 at Bunnings or on Amazon.

Anonymouse Blogger Recommendations R Us

I do a boatload of business printing from my home office. My mainstays:

Brother 1210W – Tiny b&w laser, networked, simple as, cheap as, have put through several 1000 pages just changing the $30 toner cartridge. At $125, it’s into the bin when the drum dies.

HP Smart tank 7300 – At $600 a fairly expensive ‘home office’ unit, but with the tank ink works out at around 2 cents per page and a replacement ink set is about $50 which seems to give you about 5,000 pages. Very reliable scanner and copier + does all sorts of clever stuff that I don’t need or really understand. Runs like a train and doesn’t take up a bunch of space.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 6, 2023 5:21 pm

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn covered it very well in his famous quote on evil and where it is found:

the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either—but right through every human heart—and through all human hearts.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 6, 2023 5:24 pm

Is that is what is known as letting it all hang out?

Hidia has not self-awareness – she’s a real performer.

Roger
Roger
December 6, 2023 5:27 pm

They’ll be making movies about us one day, Roger. Indomitable spirits in a time of unimaginable adversity.

I’ve taken to drinking…Italian lager.

Winston Smith
December 6, 2023 5:29 pm

Dot
Dec 6, 2023 4:16 PM
If you’re energy independent, aren’t the wells themselves the strategic reserve?

It’s a good question, but the oil still needs to be pumped out and transported to the refineries. The pumping/transport introduces a delay in the production. Take for example the huge oil/shale reserves in Canada. You could count them in the reserves but it will take time to get them into the fuel tanks of vehicles.
The reserve was set at 700 million bbarrels for a reason.
It’s a bit like the mineral reserve – a mountain of iron ore isn’t a railway track or stack of girders. There must be finished and semi finished goods in the pipeline. Try copper pipe and wire as another example.
The US stockpiles are well maintained and reviewed regularly – apart from the renewal process, I would be loathe to interfere with it.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 6, 2023 5:29 pm

Burlesque is the art of imagination. Suburban strip clubs less so. Perhaps that is the issue?

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 6, 2023 5:31 pm

Now, in fairness, I’ve been part of this chorus, and sometimes there’s a legitimate reason to take issue with the complaints. Someone who made a series of poor decisions is kind of lying in the bed they made.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
December 6, 2023 5:33 pm

Mark Dreyfus approved human rights commission’s intervention in indefinite detention case

Attorney general signed off on AHRC’s intervention in favour of the plaintiff NZYQ, provided it made clear it was doing so on its own behalf

Government refuses to say how many released detainees prevetative detention laws apply to

The ministers were asked if the government should apologise for the actions of the three released detainees who had been arrested, an idea the attorney-general said was “absurd”.

“You are asking a cabinet minister of the Crown to apologise for upholding the law of Australia, for acting in accordance with the law of Australia, for following the instructions of the High Court of Australia,” he said.

“I will not be apologising for upholding the law. I will not be apologising for pursuing the rule of law and will not be apologising for acting, do not interrupt, I will not be apologising for acting in accordance with a High Court decision.”

So, presumably, not sorry at all.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 6, 2023 5:35 pm

25 minutes ago
Confidential settlements to be made public
Ellie Dudley
Ellie Dudley

Confidential settlements between the ABC, News Life Media and Bruce Lehrmann will be made public.

Mr Lehrmann settled his defamation actions against the ABC and News Life Media, the publisher of news.com.au, earlier this year.

Lisa Wilkinson’s barrister Sue Chrysanthou SC had called for the settlements in the Network 10 defamation proceedings, and the ABC had submitted that the entire deed of its settlement with Mr Lehrmann should be suppressed.

News Life Media, also the publisher of The Australian, had applied for the dollar figure given to Mr Lehrmann as a contribution to his legal costs be suppressed.

Barrister Dauid Sibtain on Wednesday appeared in the Federal Court on behalf of both media organisations to argue it would be contrary to the administration of justice if the settlements were made public, as it would discourage parties from settling out of court.

“These parties and future parties will not be inclined to participate in a settlement process, which involves bringing to a conclusion disputes before the court, if confidential disputes are going to be the subject of public disclosure,” Mr Sibtain said.

“That is a fundamental and important aspect of the administration of justice – the encouragement of confidential disputes.”

However, Justice Michael Lee dismissed Mr Sibtain’s submissions.

“Why it is necessary to prevent prejudice to the administration of justice for there to be a suppression order as to the precise quantum of the amount paid eludes me,” he said.

Justice Lee also said the settlements could be relevant to any damages awarded to Mr Lehrmann in the Network 10 defamation proceedings.

“The amount that has been paid in resolution of the additional two claims advanced by Mr Lehrmann could, at least on one view, become relevant to the damages inquiry in this case, and indeed has been foreshadowed by the respondents as a matter that they will rely in reduction of damages (for some reason called ‘mitigation’ of damages),” he said.

“In any event both applications fall well short of the requirement to establish necessity and the application for orders sought is dismissed.”

Black Ball
Black Ball
December 6, 2023 5:36 pm

Channel Stokes sez there’s a fourth bastard set free by the High Court that had reoffended. Sorry if mentioned

Roger
Roger
December 6, 2023 5:37 pm

Germany has cut all funding to UNRWA after local staff were implicated in the captivity of Israeli hostages.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 6, 2023 5:38 pm

H B Bear

Dec 6, 2023 4:23 PM

J’ismists routinely treat people like they are dodgy washing machine repair men on A Current Affair. They get very precious if the favour is returned.

Exactly.
The fcking prima donnas have to make it all about them.
That is why I have no time for Susan Ley’s hand-patting when the only thing they should be doing is kicking Luigi’s arse until his nose bleeds over the release of the crooks.
Hurty feelings of a girly j’ism just doesn’t rate.

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