Open Thread – Wed 13 Dec 2023


The Triumph ofย Judas Maccabeus,ย Rubens, 1634โ€“1636

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Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2023 2:47 pm

Fair Shake
Dec 13, 2023 1:28 PM

There once was a man from Devizes
Whose balls were of differing sizes
One was so small you couldn’t see it at all
The other so big it won prizes.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 13, 2023 2:48 pm

C.L.
Dec 13, 2023 2:42 PM

The worrying thing is, this group of sub normal moral pigmies (and I include Bruce, whos not adverse to gilding the lilly) are the people advising our pollies.
Anyone wanting to know why we seem ruled by a cabal of people who hate us should be strapped to a gurney and forced to watch the proceedings.

Then look at the quality of top media “investigators”, FFS.

All of them university graduated mongs.

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
December 13, 2023 2:48 pm

feelthebern
Dec 13, 2023 11:19 AM
The most cricket Iโ€™ve watched in recent years was a youtube video showing every ball of the Maxwell innings.

I was unaware that Maxwell played cricket, unless you allow the “50 over slap and tickle”, to be included.

Another notable Maroons “buy”, for their cricketing glory, was Chappell G.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 13, 2023 2:49 pm

calli
Dec 13, 2023 2:38 PM

Decided to watch the live stream of Lvs Ten.

That Llewellyn guy is an utter piece of work. He couldnโ€™t sleep straight in bed. He obviously didnโ€™t want contact with BL. Using old work numbers, not using current numbersโ€ฆwhat a slug.

Phone numbers and email addresses provided by Fatty Sharaz.
And guess what?
The number was an old Government phone number and it had one digit incorrect.
It might be instructive to find who registered the email addresses provided and when.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 13, 2023 2:50 pm

Blockquote error.
But, hey, I’m not a Ten producer.

Zippster
Zippster
December 13, 2023 2:50 pm
calli
calli
December 13, 2023 2:55 pm

I canโ€™t bear to watch it any longer.

Listening to someone ooze lies and part truths and being so obvious and cocky about it has really upset me.

โ€œWhy would I?โ€. Utter contempt for the court.

If he was my son heโ€™d be grounded.

calli
calli
December 13, 2023 2:56 pm

For life. And longer! ๐Ÿ˜€

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
December 13, 2023 3:00 pm

Zippster
Dec 13, 2023 2:50 PM

Check this out.

Bald and Bankrupt:

We Survived Being Trafficked By The Cartel ( Others Didn’t )

Winston Smith
December 13, 2023 3:01 pm

Roger
Dec 13, 2023 12:16 PM

Too many Cats here are exploring rational and diplomatic solutions when youโ€™re literally fighting against the embodiment of irrationality.

Thereโ€™s a chap on You Tube who asks Israelis and Palestinians (for want of a better term) questions sent to him by viewers.
One question to Palestinians was, โ€˜Before Islam came, were your ancestors Jewish or Christian?โ€™
Most responders answered that they had always been Muslim.
โ€˜What, even before Mohammed?โ€™ โ€˜Yesโ€ฆalways Muslim.โ€™

Only one young woman, not wearing a hijab, conceded that her ancestors would have been either Jewish or Christian.

Not a scientific poll, to be sure, but probably reflects the prevailing worldview.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 13, 2023 3:04 pm

The Project producer denies not making a โ€˜genuine effortโ€™ to get response from Lehrmann
Richardson is probing Llewellyn about the efforts he made to contact Lehrmann ahead of the broadcast, whether it was via email addresses, mobile phone numbers and social media account including LinkedIn and Instagram.

Llewellyn did not contact Lehrmann through his social media accounts but he did send him an email and called him on the day of the broadcast, Monday.

โ€œMr Llewellyn, I want to suggest to you that the requests that you sent out on the 12th of February were not a genuine effort to obtain information.

Llewellyn: โ€œThatโ€™s incorrect.โ€

Richardson suggested that when Llewellyn said in an email to colleagues that the questions were to โ€œcover us off for defamationโ€, it indicated he was not seeking a genuine reply. Llewellyn disagreed.

C.L.
C.L.
December 13, 2023 3:04 pm

The worrying thing is, this group of sub normal moral pigmies (and I include Bruce, whos not adverse to gilding the lilly) are the people advising our pollies.

Anyone wanting to know why we seem ruled by a cabal of people who hate us should be strapped to a gurney and forced to watch the proceedings.

Then look at the quality of top media โ€œinvestigatorsโ€, FFS.

All of them university graduated mongs.

Majorly this.

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 13, 2023 3:05 pm

If the major Arab nations join in with the full force of their conventional armies, the problem is more substantial, but the record of conventional Arab armies against Israel is not good. Unless their performance is much improved, there would be higher casualties, but the nation of Israel would survive

The problem here is that, unlike the early Arab-Israeli wars, which were conventional conflicts, things have changed, and Israels opponents are using an asymmetric strategy, where combat power does not decide the outcome – guerillas ”win by not losing” …. they simply aim to persist until the will of their opponents home population fails.

In this case, the Israeli ‘home population’ includes the populations of the west, (from whence their economic and military support comes), and the ‘Gazan’ fighters includes the rest of the Arab world (because bombing gaza recruits them new supporters in Syria, Lebanon, the West Bank, and even London, Berlin, Sydney etc etc, etc…)

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2023 3:05 pm

Muddy
Dec 13, 2023 2:10 PM
Re the Great War and staying out of it:
German Pacific territories above and below the Equator would have seen Australia involved anyway, in the absence of the Royal Navy. As would the hunting of German merchant cruisers targeting our exports to the Motherland.

A German victory would have seen at least Papua, and probably parts of northern Australia with few non-Aboriginal inhabitants, become German colonies, to add to German New Guinea.

Winston Smith
December 13, 2023 3:07 pm

Shit.
Hit the wrong button:
The young woman is the one who is theologically incorrect. According to the experts – muslim of course – everyone is born muslim. Just because the tenets of Islam hadn’t been revealed by Mohammed doesn’t mean that they weren’t muslim, it just means that they didn’t have the opportunity to know they were.
So there you have it – Ugh and Boogah Looga back in the prehistoric days were muslim.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 13, 2023 3:09 pm

calli Avatar
calli
Dec 13, 2023 2:55 PM

I canโ€™t bear to watch it any longer.

Listening to someone ooze lies and part truths and being so obvious and cocky about it has really upset me.

โ€œWhy would I?โ€. Utter contempt for the court.

If he was my son heโ€™d be grounded.

There’s your problem, right there.
He looks and sounds like someone who has ad-glibbed his way through his entire life – home, school and work.
I was thinking over lunch.
In a forty year career I have seen some brain-dead stuff in all sorts of settings … contract negotiations, takeover due diligence, run of the mill management meetings and legal arbitrations.
I don’t think I have seen anyone simultaneously so inept and incompetent, but blissfully ploughing on completely oblivious to their own ignorance. In fact, exuding an air of superior invulnerability.
Only one possible example comes to mind.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2023 3:09 pm

flyingduk
Dec 13, 2023 2:42 PM
Boambee John
Dec 13, 2023 10:57 AM

Still no sign of your alternative strategy for Israel.

You are going to have a long wait if you refuse to read my answer to that at 1033 good sir.

I had not seen your 1033 at the time I wrote that comment.

I have since seen it. As you state, you do not have a “winning strategy” to offer. Neither do you offer a strategy for a withdrawal to a safe haven. All that you offer is a counsel of despair. That is not helpful (unless you think that there is a circumstance in which the Israeli population can negotiate a way to live in peace among the Muslims who are sworn to exterminate them).

Roger
Roger
December 13, 2023 3:13 pm

The worrying thing is, this group of sub normal moral pigmies (and I include Bruce, whos not adverse to gilding the lilly) are the people advising our pollies.

Just how stupid & amoral are our politicians then?

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 13, 2023 3:14 pm

Arky
Dec 13, 2023 12:46 PM

There has be some happy medium between the gung-ho triumphal, arrogant attempt at remodelling the world in our own image and an existential despair that it all ainโ€™t working out too good.

Indubably. Bending over and welcoming owe new overlords seems to be trending, at least in the cataverse. Sure the west has become fruity and corrupt on the fringes. But I don’t see that a reason to go all doomsday on it.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2023 3:14 pm

calli
Dec 13, 2023 2:55 PM
I canโ€™t bear to watch it any longer.

Listening to someone ooze lies and part truths and being so obvious and cocky about it has really upset me.

โ€œWhy would I?โ€. Utter contempt for the court.

Now who else used that phrase “Why would I?” recently, also demonstrating utter contempt, in his case for the electorate.

Winston Smith
December 13, 2023 3:16 pm

Digger

Dec 13, 2023 12:26 PM
itโ€™s just the way it is โ€ฆ and no, I donโ€™t have a long-term strategy either
There is a solution but it is a tad controversialโ€ฆ keep doing what they are doing until there is no movement.
Then expand Israel from the river to the sea.

It reminds me of the Arab strategy.
Actually it is the Arab strategy – except for the ‘Israel’ bit.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 13, 2023 3:19 pm

Is David Sharaz the same Sharaz that passed out on the Q&A panel a few years ago. I think he was with GetUp at the time.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2023 3:22 pm

Dok Duk

All that you offer is a counsel of despair

And that “counsel of despair” seems implicitly to extend to the non-Muslim (at least the western parts, possibly all) parts of the world.

Do you have any positive future to offer? Or, in your opinion, should we all now take the Shahada?

Jorge
Jorge
December 13, 2023 3:23 pm

Llewellyn taking many gulps of water. Not waving.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 13, 2023 3:23 pm

Is David Sharaz the same Sharaz that passed out on the Q&A panel a few years ago. I think he was with GetUp at the time.

That was Simon Sheikh.
A real nasty piece of work. Thank heavens he’s been sidelined.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2023 3:23 pm

GreyRanga
Dec 13, 2023 3:19 PM
Is David Sharaz the same Sharaz that passed out on the Q&A panel a few years ago. I think he was with GetUp at the time.

IIRC, his name was Sheikh.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2023 3:24 pm

Snap, Salvatore.

cohenite
December 13, 2023 3:25 pm

rosie
Dec 13, 2023 11:25 AM
Bibi mentioned I think in his discussion with Elon that is is possible for muslims to deradicalise and pointed to a couple of the more prosperous Islamic countries as examples.
We all have to hope that is also possible in Gaza.

Professor Clive Kessler is one of the world’s leading experts on islam. This is what he had to say about deradicalisation:

https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/social-affairs/deradicalisation-militant-muslims-not-viable-option

JMH
JMH
December 13, 2023 3:25 pm

GreyRanga
Dec 13, 2023 3:19 PM

Is David Sharaz the same Sharaz that passed out on the Q&A panel a few years ago. I think he was with GetUp at the time.

Simon Sheik I think GR.

rosie
rosie
December 13, 2023 3:26 pm

Thank goodness certain people weren’t advising Charles Martel or the Holy League.

JMH
JMH
December 13, 2023 3:28 pm

Apology for incorrect spelling of Sheikh! ๐Ÿ™‚

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
December 13, 2023 3:28 pm

Is it standard practice for journalists to rely on contacts gathered by the plaintiff or plaintiffs proxy about the defendant without question, examination or independent inquiry?

Did he learn that was an appropriate investigative method in journalism school?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 13, 2023 3:29 pm

“Miss Higgins was told the right things, but “the vibe””…..

Wow, this is pretty harsh.

rosie
rosie
December 13, 2023 3:31 pm

Perhaps deradicalise was the wrong word, certainly individuals who are radicalised are most likely a lost cause but there are countries like Bahrain who can behave with civility.

And yes twitter is awash with people claiming Christ as a muslim, it’s why they claim converts as reverts.
It’s their answer to baptism.
I guess file under ‘their truth’.

Zippster
Zippster
December 13, 2023 3:31 pm

SINKS
Paul Joseph Watson

Figures
Figures
December 13, 2023 3:33 pm

Does this tip the case from โ€œcareless, but believed in the truth of the matterโ€ to โ€œmalicious and avoided checking because it might ruin the hit jobโ€?

By rights, Channel 10 shouldn’t exist after this.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2023 3:33 pm

He’s been grounded. Good. Stick to cricket, say right away from politics son.

Khawajaโ€™s pro-Palestine stand blocked (Paywallian)

Cricket Australia cites ICC rules as reason why the Australian batsman wonโ€™t display the messages in Perth, after he was backed by Sports Minister Anika Wells.

Wells needs to be put on a plane to Gaza immediately. What a vacuous idiot.

cohenite
December 13, 2023 3:34 pm

That was Simon Sheikh.
A real nasty piece of work. Thank heavens heโ€™s been sidelined.

Wasn’t the poor bastard going with clem -cut their dicks off- ford?

John H.
John H.
December 13, 2023 3:35 pm

flyingduk
Dec 13, 2023 3:05 PM
If the major Arab nations join in with the full force of their conventional armies, the problem is more substantial, but the record of conventional Arab armies against Israel is not good. Unless their performance is much improved, there would be higher casualties, but the nation of Israel would survive

The problem here is that, unlike the early Arab-Israeli wars, which were conventional conflicts, things have changed, and Israels opponents are using an asymmetric strategy, where combat power does not decide the outcome โ€“ guerillas โ€win by not losingโ€ โ€ฆ. they simply aim to persist until the will of their opponents home population fails.

In this case, the Israeli โ€˜home populationโ€™ includes the populations of the west, (from whence their economic and military support comes), and the โ€˜Gazanโ€™ fighters includes the rest of the Arab world (because bombing gaza recruits them new supporters in Syria, Lebanon, the West Bank, and even London, Berlin, Sydney etc etc, etcโ€ฆ)

If enough Arab nations decided to attack Israel a modern conflict will be completely different. The failure of past attacks came down to Israel having much better trained personnel, delegation to unit commanders, better strategy and tactics and equal or superior hardware. The big problem is in a modern conflict those factors won’t be as important. It doesn’t matter how good missile defense is, saturation attacks will involve enough getting through to do serious damage.

JC
JC
December 13, 2023 3:38 pm

Get a load of this as part of the Liars Industrial relations legislation.

A section has been included in the federal governmentโ€™s new industrial relations legislation to enable an unprecedented attack on the more than 900,000 family businesses that employ people.

It represents the biggest change in business capitalism for a generation and the way it was thrust on family businesses without debate will cause deep anger.

Most family businesses, including those employing fewer than 15 people, will be subject to compulsory union power in a similar way to that exercised in large corporate areas such as commercial building and the waterfront

JC
JC
December 13, 2023 3:41 pm

He’s CEO of a super fund. Of course he is.

Simon Sheikh (born 1986) is an Australian activist who is currently CEO of superannuation fund Future Super. He was the National Director of GetUp! from 2008 to 2012.[1] He was a delegate to the economics stream of the Australia 2020 Summit and was named the New South Wales Young Professional of the Year in 2007.[2]
Education and career

He was born in Sydney, and has ancestry from India, Pakistan, Britain, New Zealand and Australia.[3]

He is the son of Michael Sheikh, an Indian-born Pakistani industrial chemist and inventor and British New Zealander, Rhonda Badham. He attended Camdenville Public School and later gained entry to Fort Street High School.[4][5] He later studied economics at the University of New South Wales,[6] while working full-time in the Services Marketing team at Telstra and as a public servant at the NSW Treasury.[7]

Sheikh represented Australia as the youth representative at the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Uganda in 2007.[2]

In 2009 he was part of the Sydney Leadership Program run by Social Leadership Australia at The Benevolent Society.[8]
GetUp!

He became National Director of GetUp! in September, 2008, at the age of 22.[9]

He stepped down from being National Director of GetUp! on 27 July 2012,[10] stating that he intended to avoid burnout. GetUp! claims its membership increased from 270,000 to 610,000 during his four-year term. 80,000 people donated to GetUp! in the 12 months up to July 2012. He is succeeded as director by Sam McLean.
Future Super
Sheikh is managing director of Future Super,[11] an ethical superfund, which he co-founded with Adam Verwey.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2023 3:41 pm

Winston Smith
Dec 13, 2023 3:07 PM
Shit.
Hit the wrong button:
The young woman is the one who is theologically incorrect. According to the experts โ€“ muslim of course โ€“ everyone is born muslim. Just because the tenets of Islam hadnโ€™t been revealed by Mohammed doesnโ€™t mean that they werenโ€™t muslim, it just means that they didnโ€™t have the opportunity to know they were.
So there you have it โ€“ Ugh and Boogah Looga back in the prehistoric days were muslim.

This is of course all BS according to the Buddhists, Hindus, Incas, Aztecs and many others.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2023 3:43 pm

JC

The Liars going out of their way to antagonise small businesses, including tradies.

Way to lose the (non-Muslim) suburbs.

JMH
JMH
December 13, 2023 3:43 pm

Wasnโ€™t the poor bastard going with clem -cut their dicks off- ford?

No. I think it was another red-ragger from GetUp.

Figures
Figures
December 13, 2023 3:46 pm

If enough Arab nations decided to attack Israel a modern conflict will be completely different.

It would be even more one-sided. Not only would they have a massive technology gap but they also have a massive competency gap, morale gap and they would be fighting in Israel.

If Israel wanted to, it could take the Suez with a few thousand US dollars worth of baksheesh. The idea that the Egyptian army could take Tel Aviv is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 13, 2023 3:46 pm

Thanks Sal, got mixed up with the names but not the character of said tosspot.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2023 3:46 pm

Once the Slime takes a few more inner-city Liars seats, and the Wood Ducks consolidate the doctors’ wives suburbs, the Liars will be reduced to a small rump party, pining for the fjords.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2023 3:47 pm

John H.
Dec 13, 2023 3:35 PM

Israel has Nukes. The Arabs don’t. Iran may get them. I wonder what Israel will do then. Guesses anyone?

rosie
rosie
December 13, 2023 3:49 pm

Is Simon related to Van Badham then?

Figures
Figures
December 13, 2023 3:52 pm

The Liars going out of their way to antagonise small businesses, including tradies.

Don’t worry. Lambie and Pocock will say “never ever” and then two hours later they will vote yes.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2023 3:53 pm

When I started out, everyone seemed to be adopting these names… Johnny Rotten, Sid Vicious. I wasn’t really Rotten or Vicious or Nasty, so I wanted something a bit more funny – yet something that seemed real rock ‘n’ roll… something that acknowledged my ambition.

– Billy Idol

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 13, 2023 3:54 pm

Well I’m glad to see more Cats were paying more attention than I was. Sheikh was tied up with some green candidate in the ACT but then again I’m probably thinking of Sharaz! Ha.

JC
JC
December 13, 2023 3:54 pm

Figures,

I picked up the story from the Oz and your hunch is correct if a little late. Those two are actually voting for this.

JC
JC
December 13, 2023 3:54 pm

Guesses anyone?

Get Marty to ask Socrates, Woddenhead. Socrates should be able to tell you the exact date Israel will use nukes on Iran, seeing Marty claimed his AI predicted 911 to the very date and time.

C.L.
C.L.
December 13, 2023 3:57 pm

One of the most bizarre exchanges in the defamation case came when Mr Lehrmann’s barrister Matthew Richardson SC, asked about the legitimacy of the allegations, telling the court there were no witnesses and no cameras in the ministerial suite when Ms Higgins alleges Mr Lehrmann raped her.

‘There were just two people behind closed doors?’ he asked, using one of the more common figures of speech in the English language.

Mr Llewellyn, appearing confused, replied: ‘Closed doors? Is that plural?’

There was an audible gasp from the public gallery as it appeared Mr Llewellyn was not aware of the saying ‘behind closed doors’.

‘Is that seriously your answer?’ Mr Richardson asked.

Real Deal
Real Deal
December 13, 2023 3:59 pm

Wasnโ€™t the poor bastard going with clem -cut their dicks off- ford?

I would faint if I came home and rattled the key in the door and saw her boiling water in the saucepans at the stove.

No metaphors in the above BTW.

Gilas
Gilas
December 13, 2023 4:04 pm

Angus talking back to the KC, eliciting interventions by the judge, denying obvious contradictions in Hoggins’ story.
Believes he did nothing wrong.
Didn’t give any alternative facts to Hoggins’ a chance.
Didn’t provide adequate time for responses from Brucie, Brown etc.. prior to broadcast.

Total bias, blind spot for the Hog, dismissed any other responses or criticism of the Hog’s version of events.
Richardson close to speechless at times.

Like talking to a wall, a stonewall.
Toad will have to wait.

shatterzzz
December 13, 2023 4:05 pm

If enough Arab nations decided to attack Israel a modern conflict will be completely different.

Quite a hypothetical .. for centuries it has been standard for Arab nations NOT to join forces based on the reality that arab “tribes” of any sort will never accept another “tribe” as ‘equal’ or better .. Normal arab attitude is “we is better than you” ..
always was , always will be …. they may live side-by-side but brotherhood is not on the agenda ..

Rabz
December 13, 2023 4:05 pm

telling the court there were no witnesses and no cameras in the ministerial suite when Ms Hoggins alleges the Lehrmann raped her

Allegedly no cameras. I would be very unsurprised if the CCP don’t have footage of whatever transpired in Reynold’s ministerial suite on that fateful (for taxpayers) evening.

Rabz
December 13, 2023 4:06 pm

Oh, FFS, “very surprised” …

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 13, 2023 4:07 pm

Gilas.

The toads only strategy will have to be “I was just reading what was put in front of me/ I trusted my research team…

Perhaps she could plead the belly?

calli
calli
December 13, 2023 4:08 pm

Llewellyn is just so banal, so insipid.

Heโ€™s a producer, is he?

No Irving Thalberg then.

Rabz
December 13, 2023 4:10 pm

What was that saying about commercial TV executives again?

Oh that’s right, “Commercial TV executives are among the stupidest people to have existed in human history, which gives them unique insights into the viewing preferences of their audiences”.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
December 13, 2023 4:10 pm

Japer’s making land fall between Cape Tribulation & Cooktown.

Lowe Isles Lighthouse over the ocean got sustained at 90km/h and gusting to 110km/h. Big ugly looking area in the centre devoid of convection. Going to be a lot of tree loppers & mulchers heading to Port Douglas tomorrow…

feelthebern
feelthebern
December 13, 2023 4:14 pm

Judge said theyโ€™re staying today for as long as it takes to finish with this moron.
Then they have tomorrow & Friday for Saint Lisa.
Judge rearranged his Friday for a clear run.

Vicki
Vicki
December 13, 2023 4:15 pm

This is totally out of left field ( or some right field)- but anyone notice that the most enjoyed country of the Travel Guides – was actually Israel? Or, at least, many of them put it no 1.

I was surprised at that – even though I adore Israel myself, though it is decades since I was there. They loved the people, the history & the general feel of the place. The youthfulness of the place, ironically, seemed to also appeal.

feelthebern
feelthebern
December 13, 2023 4:16 pm

If Lee gives BH & BL a serve in his judgement, I can only imagine what heโ€™s going to say about this chump.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2023 4:17 pm

Sheikh was tied up with some green candidate in the ACT

She’s been a busy little beaver.

Anna asked a climate sceptic for some advice. His words would reshape her career (Silly, 8 Dec)

She shares this story over lunch at Lucky Kwong in Sydney earlier this week, just hours before she flies to Dubai for the United Nations climate change conference COP28.

At the time of her discussion with Minchin, Rose was 28 and had been beating the climate drum in progressive circles for half her life.

She was the founder of the Australian Youth Climate Coalition, and one-half of an activist power couple with Simon Sheikh, who ran grassroots lobby GetUp! from 2008 to 2012.

Now 40, Rose devotes her time, as founder and chief executive of Environmental Leadership Australia, working with Liberal and National Party politicians on climate change. She is also co-founder and a board member of Farmers for Climate Action.

She is taking seven Coalition politicians to COP28, arranging introductions to climate-minded conservative politicians from other countries, and briefings from experts such as the chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and Citiโ€™s head of sustainability investing.

Joining Rose and her team are federal MP and shadow minister Paul Fletcher, Senator Maria Kovacic, NSW shadow ministers Matt Kean and Kellie Sloane, NSW upper house member Jacqui Munro, and Queensland shadow ministers Sam Oโ€™Connor and Steve Minnikin.

Rose says recent events in NSW have strengthened her conviction that working with Coalition politicians is where she can make a difference, admitting this would โ€œsurprise 20-year-old Annaโ€.

Her team includes former Liberal advisers who help her navigate the conservative political world, where she has โ€œquiet conversationsโ€ to share facts and debunk misinformation.

Matt Kean, how can I be surprised? A veritable Mata Hari she is corrupting the wet Libs with fake science and looney lefty rubbish. Mark those names Cat.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
December 13, 2023 4:17 pm

I’ve watched a multitude of clips of female cops in the field. All have been useless and overweight fat pigs!

Alamak!
Alamak!
December 13, 2023 4:18 pm

Quite a hypothetical .. for centuries it has been standard for Arab nations NOT to join forces based on the reality that arab โ€œtribesโ€ of any sort will never accept another โ€œtribeโ€ as โ€˜equalโ€™ or better .. Normal arab attitude is โ€œwe is better than youโ€ ..
always was , always will be โ€ฆ. they may live side-by-side but brotherhood is not on the agenda

Lawrence of Arabia? Or perhaps that whole getting-arabs-into-wartime-coalition was that all a great big myth

calli
calli
December 13, 2023 4:20 pm

Wish me luck Cats, for tomorrow. I must gird, and perhaps unleash my lions for Dadโ€™s funeral. They are non-blubbing lions of course.

I have been whirling like a dervish getting the house ready for the morning tea afterwards (Presbyterian-speak for wake). And the food. Muchโ€ฆmuch food.

And thenโ€ฆbother. Iโ€™m doing a little gaggle of photos for the table and thereโ€™s Dad, a rosy cheeked four year old in a tiny bow tie. Must have been his โ€œSunday schoolโ€ clothes. The photo would have cost my grandparents money they could ill-afford, but they had it done nonetheless.

This death caper stinks. So glad thereโ€™s hope at the end of it.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2023 4:20 pm

Be interesting to find out where the “activist power couple” Rose and Sheik are getting all this money they are somehow bringing in. Not sure I’d like the answer, I suspect.

Alamak!
Alamak!
December 13, 2023 4:23 pm

Perhaps she could plead the belly?

Same thing but more general – “plead the gender”.

Sentence commuted for a lifetime of victimhood and stalking the elite for invites a la GraceT & others.

calli
calli
December 13, 2023 4:25 pm

Israel is very upbeat. Living cheek by jowl with homicidal halfwits would be sobering, but they counter it with a tremendous verve.

Scene at the โ€œWailing Wallโ€ when I was thereโ€ฆa mighty shout, and a great group of laughing, singing men with one young fellow held aloft on a chair. The place burst into applause and laughter. I have no idea what the occasion was but the joy was overflowing.

And maybe thatโ€™s the hinge, where joy and sorrow meet and you have a choice. Live in hope or drown in victimhood.

Winston Smith
December 13, 2023 4:26 pm

Zippster

Dec 13, 2023 3:31 PM
SINKS
Paul Joseph Watson

At one level, you can feel a little sorry for the SINKset, but on another, you can also laugh and repeat:
“Decisions have consequences.”
What sort of thinking process goes on in these womens minds? A bloke, not quite so much – a 45 year old bloke can still start a family, but a 45 year old woman? Unless they go down the adoption route – and if they’re white Christian, and het, they’ll be refused.

Vicki
Vicki
December 13, 2023 4:27 pm

Perhaps deradicalise was the wrong word, certainly individuals who are radicalised are most likely a lost cause but there are countries like Bahrain who can behave with civility.

Indeed, Rosie. I think the most hospitable Islamic ME country to foreigners is Oman. We found Omanis charming and helpful. I am not sure if this is due to the long reign of the late Sultan Qaboos bin Said, who was educated in England and thoroughly modernised Oman, or to Omanโ€™s long history as a trading nation. I have also read that their brand of Islam – the Ibadi sect – is far more amenable to non Muslims – so it may be that simple.

BTW We did not find the Moroccans (or Egyptians, or Turks ) as jolly as tourists who hire them as guides find. But that is true right across the ME world – it is just that tourists in groups donโ€™t realise it.

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
December 13, 2023 4:30 pm

โ€˜There were just two people behind closed doors?โ€™ he asked, using one of the more common figures of speech in the English language.

Mr Llewellyn, appearing confused, replied: โ€˜Closed doors? Is that plural?โ€™

There was an audible gasp from the public gallery as it appeared Mr Llewellyn was not aware of the saying โ€˜behind closed doorsโ€™.

โ€˜Is that seriously your answer?โ€™ Mr Richardson asked.

Dumb as a bag of hammers, I wonder if that was a criterion on the job description a feature of his resume, or both?

calli
calli
December 13, 2023 4:31 pm

And another thing on this โ€œproducerโ€. This piece of tasteless, bland tofu had no compunction in seeking to ruin the careers and reputations of many people.

All for a โ€œstoryโ€.

He didnโ€™t care. To echo the creep, why would he? Beneath contempt.

Vicki
Vicki
December 13, 2023 4:32 pm

This death caper stinks. So glad thereโ€™s hope at the end of it.

All the best, Calli. It is indeed a heart wrenching time for most families. The passing of both my mum and dad were unfortunately accompanied by historic family infamies which caused their passing to be doubly painful.

But that is life for many. You have wonderful memories, and that is cause to be thankful. God bless.

Roger
Roger
December 13, 2023 4:33 pm

I think we can reasonably deduce that the best and brightest aren’t going into television production.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2023 4:33 pm

Dumb as a bag of hammers

That’s no way to talk about West Ham United supporters !!!!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2023 4:34 pm

I wish I hadn’t been stirred to read that SMH article about Mizzzz Rose. It’s doing my head in. Makes me depressed to see politicians being corrupted by gooey green activists in plain sight like that. I feel like I’ve had to wade through a room ankle deep in sewage. Yet another reason why the Liberal Party must be obliterated politically. Don’t they realize who they’ve invited into their parlour?

calli
calli
December 13, 2023 4:35 pm

You are a very kind lady, Vicki. Every family has its stupid squabbles. The peacemakers are usually in the middle of them. And I have the scars to prove it! ๐Ÿ˜€

Winston Smith
December 13, 2023 4:37 pm

Johnny Rotten:

This is of course all BS according to the Buddhists, Hindus, Incas, Aztecs and many others.

Of course it is. But if their Good Book states it as a definite fact, then they all believe it. And they all enforce it.
And that’s why Christians etc are such terrible people – they have rejected Allah the Beneficent, the Merciful. And so must pay the price of head/body separation.

Roger
Roger
December 13, 2023 4:39 pm

May God equip you with every blessing required for tomorrow, calli!

Alamak!
Alamak!
December 13, 2023 4:40 pm

I think the most hospitable Islamic ME country to foreigners is Oman. We found Omanis charming and helpful. I am not sure if this is due to the long reign of the late Sultan Qaboos bin Said, who was educated in England and thoroughly modernised Oman, or to Omanโ€™s long history as a trading nation

True, this. All the Omanis I’ve worked with or met in ME were informed, curious and open to discussion – in fact they seem to like nothing more than having a good chat over coffee about the world, islam in all its forms and politics. Despite the recent terrible examples, there are muslims who make the world a better place but they don’t get in the news much.

JC
JC
December 13, 2023 4:41 pm

That’s a very nice sweet comment Roger.

Calli, what Roger said.

Winston Smith
December 13, 2023 4:42 pm

John H.
Dec 13, 2023 3:35 PM

Israel has Nukes. The Arabs donโ€™t. Iran may get them. I wonder what Israel will do then. Guesses anyone?

Apparently Iran is just weeks away from having enough fissile material for one.
The issue is one of “Will they get enough for one and use it, or will they get enough for 10 or so and blackmail the West with destruction of the cities of New York, Washington, Berlin, London and Paris?”

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 13, 2023 4:43 pm

As you state, you do not have a โ€œwinning strategyโ€ to offer. Neither do you offer a strategy for a withdrawal to a safe haven. All that you offer is a counsel of despair. That is not helpful

Dr Duk covers BJs eyes, directs him past the ‘painful truths’ door and points him to the ‘comforting lies’ room … you will be safe in there.. until you aren’t.
.

Dot
Dot
December 13, 2023 4:43 pm

The issue is one of โ€œWill they get enough for one and use it, or will they get enough for 10 or so and blackmail the West with destruction of the cities of New York, Washington, Berlin, London and Paris?โ€

They would get fried at 2 AM local time pulling that shit.

urb
urb
December 13, 2023 4:44 pm

Wind starting to pick up here on the northern beaches, hope the power stays on….

Tom
Tom
December 13, 2023 4:44 pm

Paywallian:

Usman Khawaja appears to have been forced to back down from plans to wear shoes with human rights messaging on them during Thursdayโ€™s Test match after the International Cricket Council intervened and warned him there could be serious consequences.

The Australian revealed on Tuesday that Khawaja was planning to wear the shoes with the words โ€œFreedom is a human rightโ€ and โ€œAll lives are equalโ€ written on them during the match in support of the Palestinian citizens.

Cricket Australia is understood to have received a call from the ICC warning of consequences which could have seen the player banned from participating in the match.

Khawaja received the backing of Sports Minister Anika Wells and his teammates, but captain Pat Cummins said he did not think he would wear the shoes.

โ€œI actually think itโ€™s one of our strongest points our team is that everyone has their own passionate views and individual thoughts, and I chatted to Usi briefly about it today,โ€ he said. โ€œAnd yeah, I donโ€™t think his intention is to make too big of a fuss.

โ€œI spoke to him quickly. He said he wonโ€™t be (wearing the shoes).โ€

Cummins said the ICC had drawn attention to the rules but questioned whether there was anything offensive in the statement.

โ€œโ€˜All lives are equalโ€™ โ€“ I think thatโ€™s not very divisive. No one can really have too many complaints about.

โ€œI know the ICC rules are quite specific to writing.

โ€œI think everyone on our team has their own individual thoughts. You want everyone to bring their own individual self to the team. And as I said, I think what was on the shoes, all lives are equal. I support that. So I think we should be able to where there are rules in place.โ€

Cricket Australia said that it supported the right of players to โ€œexpress personal opinions, but the ICC has rules in place which prohibit the display of personal messages which we expect the players to upholdโ€.

ICC regulations give the match referee the power to stop Khawaja taking the field if he wears the shoes.

Earlier on Wednesday, Ms Wells had come out in support of Khawajaโ€™s plans to make a stand in support of Palestinians in Gaza, calling him โ€œa great Australianโ€.

โ€œAs federal Sport Minister I have always advocated for athletes having the right to a voice and to speak up on matters important to them,โ€ she said.

โ€œUsman Khawaja is a great athlete and a great Australian. He should have every right to speak up on matters that are important to him.โ€

WolfmanOz
December 13, 2023 4:49 pm

calli
Dec 13, 2023 4:25 PM
Israel is very upbeat. Living cheek by jowl with homicidal halfwits would be sobering, but they counter it with a tremendous verve.

Scene at the โ€œWailing Wallโ€ when I was thereโ€ฆa mighty shout, and a great group of laughing, singing men with one young fellow held aloft on a chair. The place burst into applause and laughter. I have no idea what the occasion was but the joy was overflowing.

And maybe thatโ€™s the hinge, where joy and sorrow meet and you have a choice. Live in hope or drown in victimhood.

I’m strongly of the view that Israel is the finest country in the world.

Nothing is perfect but my admiration for the nation and it’s people (and what they have, and continue to, endure) is simply inspiring and humbling.

Pogria
Pogria
December 13, 2023 4:49 pm

Calli,
all the best for tomorrow. Dad’s watching, so share the load. Also, what Roger said, so perfectly perfect.

feelthebern
feelthebern
December 13, 2023 4:51 pm

All the best for tomorrow calli.

Roger
Roger
December 13, 2023 4:51 pm

But if their Good Book states it as a definite fact, then they all believe it.

I don’t know that it does. It may be a “pious belief” (or impious one, if you’re not a Muslim). The Quran regards the Torah & the Psalms as inspired by God but now replaced by the Quran as the “new and improved” revelation. Likewise the “Gospel of Jesus”, but not the canonical Christian Gospels, which they allege have been corrupted, an assertion for which there is no evidence, and we have more evidence for the content and reliability of transmission of the Gospels than we have for any other ancient documents. So “the people of the Book” are all recipients of revelation, and closer to the truth than pagans. I’ll have to look further into this.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2023 4:52 pm

There is a current Greenpeace Advertisement which states –

Urgent: Please help protect whales from Woodside’s dirty gas drilling.

In which case, where is Greenpeace’s Advertisement which states –

Urgent: Please help protect whales from Blackout Bowen’s dirty Windmill Towers being erected in the ocean off the east coast of Australia where the whales migrate each year.

Nowhere to be seen of course as Greenpeace is being hypocritical as usual.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2023 4:54 pm

Calli, all good wishes for tomorrow.

Davey Boy
Davey Boy
December 13, 2023 4:56 pm

John H.
Dec 13, 2023 3:35 PM

Israel has Nukes. The Arabs donโ€™t. Iran may get them. I wonder what Israel will do then. Guesses anyone?

This

WolfmanOz
December 13, 2023 5:02 pm

calli – all the best tomorrow.

Many thoughts from Cats are with you.

Winston Smith
December 13, 2023 5:05 pm

Dot

Dec 13, 2023 4:43 PM
The issue is one of โ€œWill they get enough for one and use it, or will they get enough for 10 or so and blackmail the West with destruction of the cities of New York, Washington, Berlin, London and Paris?โ€

They would get fried at 2 AM local time pulling that shit.

Dot, can you take a look at the Quisling bastards we have leading us, and be confident they will stand up to Iran especially when they can say “We have saved Sydney, and all we had to do was accede to a “Muslim Voice” in our Constitution and Parliament”?

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2023 5:06 pm

flyingduk
Dec 13, 2023 4:43 PM
As you state, you do not have a โ€œwinning strategyโ€ to offer. Neither do you offer a strategy for a withdrawal to a safe haven. All that you offer is a counsel of despair. That is not helpful

Dr Duk covers BJs eyes, directs him past the โ€˜painful truthsโ€™ door and points him to the โ€˜comforting liesโ€™ room โ€ฆ you will be safe in there.. until you arenโ€™t.

I can see why you were an anaesthetist, now try rooly rooly hard to come up with a positive strategy, even if is as simple as re-house Israel elsewhere.

JC
JC
December 13, 2023 5:08 pm

Lordie.

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

THIS IS THE BIGGEST STORY OF THE YEAR, AND REPUBLICANS MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. DONโ€™T BE MITCH MCCONNELL AND HIS GANG OF RINOS. HAVE TO MAKE A MOVE NOW. GET TOUGH, GET SMART. OUR COUNTRY IS BEING STOLEN! heartland.org/opinion/heartlan

Heartland/Rasmussen Poll: One-in-Five Mail-In Voters Admit to Committing at Least One Kind of Voter Fraud During 2020 Election

https://heartland.org/opinion/heartland-rasmussen-poll-one-in-five-mail-in-voters-admit-to-committing-at-least-one-kind-of-voter-fraud-during-2020-election/

If this is true, Hiden could be in the morgue and he’d still win.

There’s no split in the poll between GOP and Demonrat fraudulent votes, but lets say for the sake of argument the fraud was split 50/50. Demons voted mail-in by a factor of 4:1. Therefore, with this assumption in mind, it means the demons cast fraudulent votes at the same 4:1 rate.

There were 65 million mail-in votes cast with that ratio.

It means there were 52 million demon votes cast of which 10.4 million were fraudulent.

There were 13 million GOP votes cast and assuming the same ratio, there were 2.6 million fraudulent votes cast.

Total net is around 8 million Demon fraudulent votes.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 13, 2023 5:08 pm

JC
Dec 13, 2023 3:54 PM

Junior Cretin, the self appointed Blog Milk Monitor just cannot hold back. LOL. Didn’t make a guess either. Wimp.

Roger
Roger
December 13, 2023 5:08 pm

I had a close encounter of the snake kind this morning.

A few weeks ago I planted a low hedge on the eastern side of the front garden and I’d gone out to trim the tips off so the plants grow out & closer together. My hands were about 6″ from the ground and I was bent over when I heard a rustle and saw a brown flash right in front me. Thankfully, the snake was as startled by my presence as I was at his and we both headed in opposite directions! Yes, I know you’re suppose to remain still, but “flight” response took over. I don’t think I’ve moved that quickly in years! Normally I’d do a reccie in snake season and would have spotted him but I was carelessly enjoying the morning sun, just like him.

Laughing now, but not at the time!

Next task is to check and move it on if necessary.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2023 5:08 pm

Dot, can you take a look at the Quisling bastards we have leading us, and be confident they will stand up to Iran especially when they can say โ€œWe have saved Sydney, and all we had to do was accede to a โ€œMuslim Voiceโ€ in our Constitution and Parliamentโ€?

I know I have a vivid imagination, but I can just imagine Anthony Albanese, standing in front of the House, and making that statement…

Vicki
Vicki
December 13, 2023 5:09 pm

Apparently Iran is just weeks away from having enough fissile material for one.
The issue is one of โ€œWill they get enough for one and use it, or will they get enough for 10 or so and blackmail the West with destruction of the cities of New York, Washington, Berlin, London and Paris?โ€

Is this true? Damn Obama for putting the process in motion.

Cassie of Sydney
December 13, 2023 5:10 pm

calli, thoughts and prayers for tomorrow.

JC
JC
December 13, 2023 5:11 pm

Hey Woddenhead, I just asked you to get your pal Marty to run it through his infallible AI in order to get its 100% foolproof prediction. If you can’t do that, then get a diaper change, you worthless limey crook.

feelthebern
feelthebern
December 13, 2023 5:13 pm

What kind of turd down ticks best wishes for someoneโ€™s loved ones funeral.
Hope you get hpv this Christmas.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 13, 2023 5:13 pm

Apparently Iran is just weeks away from having enough fissile material for one.

My body is ready..

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 13, 2023 5:14 pm

calli at 4:08

Llewellyn is just so banal, so insipid.
Heโ€™s a producer, is he?
No Irving Thalberg then.

Producers are the real problem. Call the shots at the ALPBC and elsewhere. Mostly their names are unknown.

JC
JC
December 13, 2023 5:14 pm

I have one issue with this poll. Who would admit over a phone call that they committed voter fraud? This is pretty hard to fathom.

Winston Smith
December 13, 2023 5:15 pm

Davey Boy:
The link has a very good PDF of 30 pages complete with tables and graphs which is quite enlightening.
They appear to think Israel has 1 Mt weapons in its inventory, which is a bit surprising to me as up to 40Kt is considered the most effective.

feelthebern
feelthebern
December 13, 2023 5:15 pm

I reckon Trump will tweet on Christmas Day.
Just to explode some heads.

Winston Smith
December 13, 2023 5:15 pm

That’s 400 Kt.
Fat non fingers.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2023 5:16 pm

I had a close encounter of the snake kind this morning.

You need a bunch of tame noisy miners Roger. Best alarm-birds anyone could have, although you’ll be driven mad by them if you also have bluetongues.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2023 5:20 pm

What kind of turd down ticks best wishes for someoneโ€™s loved ones funeral.
Hope you get hpv this Christmas.

May the fleas of a thousand camels infect your pubic hair, and may your arms be too short to scratch….

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 13, 2023 5:20 pm

Ithink we can reasonably deduce that the best and brightest arenโ€™t going into television production.

Well not Ch10 at least. 7 and 9 would have some good operators but, like residential real estate, there are more honourable ways to make a living.

Roger
Roger
December 13, 2023 5:22 pm

You need a bunch of tame noisy miners Roger. Best alarm-birds anyone could have..

We do have a flock that are usually about on that side in the gums on the other side of the fence, Bruce.

Don’t know where they were this morning!

The snake would have come up from the gully. I’ll have to make it feel unwelcome now.

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 13, 2023 5:23 pm

I can see why you were an anaesthetist, now try rooly rooly hard to come up with a positive strategy, even if is as simple as re-house Israel elsewhere.

OK, seeing as you asked: the problem here is *irreconcilable differences* between Judaism and Islam. To ‘win’ here, Israel would need to eliminate *every muslim* in Gaza, and every muslim elsewhere in the world, and every copy of the koran, and all other knowledge of islam, and every ‘useful idiot’ in the west, all without getting eliminated itself by Iranian nukes, or human waves across the border, and to retain a functioning economy, in the desert, after being ostracised by every country in the world .. off you go.

Winston Smith
December 13, 2023 5:26 pm

Vicki
Dec 13, 2023 5:09 PM
Apparently Iran is just weeks away from having enough fissile material for one.

The issue is one of โ€œWill they get enough for one and use it, or will they get enough for 10 or so and blackmail the West with destruction of the cities of New York, Washington, Berlin, London and Paris?โ€

Is this true? Damn Obama for putting the process in motion.

The part in bold is what the media has been saying.
The next quoted part was my reply to the unasked question of “What will Iran do?”
I gave two scenarios.
I’ll let everyone else discuss it.
(I’ve clarified my post as much as I can because it will be reframed, decontextualised, and lied about just so the Boobsey Twins can make fun of something that is quite serious.)

Arky
December 13, 2023 5:26 pm

Just back from the city after visit to see my dentist.
First time spending much time in central Melbourne.
Holy shit.
Walked down Elizabeth, up Bourke and back up Swanson.
Only white people we came across were the homeless and druggos.
Myer window consists of a bunch of random scenes involving weird cartoon characters that look like they come from a Chinese telecom ad. No nativity or trad Christmas decorations in sight.
Then went into Melbourne central. Full of a strange, cookie cutter identical flock of blue or purple haired, tattooed, and dead eyed chicks with a collective โ€œdrop deadโ€ attitude.
I think Iโ€™ve missed something important, or been displaced into a different universe.

Arky
December 13, 2023 5:27 pm

First time spending much time in central Melbourne.

..
This century.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2023 5:30 pm

Dumb as a bag of hammers, I wonder if that was a criterion on the job description a feature of his resume, or both?

But you can bet that he takes anyone’s bewilderment or trepidation when ushered into the world of plasterboard gravity that is ‘Current Affairs Shows’ as proof of their stupidity and readiness to be mistreated in the fashion of that dismal mercenary millieu.

I just hope Angus has enough wit, just enough, to see how abysmally contemptible he has been shown to be in this court case. Bonus points if Channel 10 sees it too, but they were dumb enough to think he was a star already. But people pointing and snickering would be sooooo sweet.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 13, 2023 5:32 pm

Yes, no doubt I have been discovered – I am in a buoyant mood.

My local now stocks my favourite vintage champagne (‘not requiring re-mortgaging’ category).

Delta A
Delta A
December 13, 2023 5:32 pm

calli
Dec 13, 2023 4:20 PM
Wish me luck Cats, for tomorrow.

God will be with you to give you strength, calli.

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 13, 2023 5:32 pm

I had a close encounter of the snake kind this morning.

Got a cat?

Arky
December 13, 2023 5:32 pm

The amount of graffiti in the inner suburbs is astonishing.
I canโ€™t fathom the amount of work going into spray paint every available surface with mindless tags.
There must be entire armies of these idiots. I expect if you stand still on a street corner for too long some angry thirty year old arts graduate will run up and start painting his logo on you.

JC
JC
December 13, 2023 5:32 pm

Just back from the city after visit to see my dentist.

This century.

Wow, first time in a least 23 years visiting the dentist.

Halitosis must be a shocker downwind.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2023 5:33 pm

Daily Mail.

BREAKING NEWS Eight Israeli soldiers including a high-ranking battalion commander are killed and three are injured in an attack in Gaza Strip in one of the worst losses of life in a single incident for IDF since war broke out: Victims aged 19 to 35

By Kamal Sultan For Mailonline

Published: 16:50 AEDT, 13 December 2023 | Updated: 17:22 AEDT, 13 December 2023

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The Israeli military has announced that eight soldiers including a high-ranking official have been killed while fighting Hamas forces in the Gaza strip.

Lieutenant Colonel Tomer Grinberg, 35, Major Roei Meldasi, 23, Major Moshe Avram Bar-On, 23, Sergeant Achia Daskal, 19, Captain Liel Hayo, 22, Major Ben Shelly, 26, Major Rom Hecht, 20 and Sergeant Oriya Yaakov, 19 died on Tuesday.

Rest in peace, you soldiers of Israel.

feelthebern
feelthebern
December 13, 2023 5:34 pm

So young.

feelthebern
feelthebern
December 13, 2023 5:38 pm

Sydney Cats get another chance to wash quilts tomorrow.
Maybe wash overnight.
Hang it out when you wake up.
39 degrees throughout the day will make it nice and crisp by sundown.

calli
calli
December 13, 2023 5:40 pm

Thanks guys. I appreciate your good wishes and kindness. This is a tougher gig than I expected. I remember dear Splatacrobat (the one with the Terry Thomas gravatar) on SincCat, and his beautiful post about his Dad.

It has always stayed with me, and now I know the reason.

There are so many old Cats that I miss. But theyโ€™re still around the traps. I spotted Tiny Dancer over at C.L.โ€™s the other day. Now all we need is Pickles so we can live-blog Ben Hurโ€™s chariot race.

Arky
December 13, 2023 5:40 pm

Someone doesnโ€™t know what the word โ€œafterโ€ means.
Itโ€™s a time modifier you can add to parts of a sentence which makes sense of the order in which you wish to convey how events occurred.

calli
calli
December 13, 2023 5:42 pm

Rest in peace, you soldiers of Israel.

May the Almighty gather them to their fathers.

They all have names, and they will all be missed.

alwaysright
alwaysright
December 13, 2023 5:42 pm

I had a close encounter of the snake kind this morning.

12 gauge from a distance of about 5 metres should do the trick.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2023 5:42 pm

There are so many old Cats that I miss.

#imissnumbersbob.

Roger
Roger
December 13, 2023 5:43 pm

Got a cat?

Yes, one of our own which is a Maine Coon and a Bombay we “inherited” from no 2 son. The Bombay likes to hang out in the bush and has had run ins with snakes before and survived. He must have seen the scene unfold as that’s where he came running from to check if I was OK. Good on the little fella!

calli
calli
December 13, 2023 5:44 pm

Now that made me laugh, Zulu. You sod.

Roger
Roger
December 13, 2023 5:44 pm

12 gauge from a distance of about 5 metres should do the trick.

That’s in the offing if it hangs about.

JC
JC
December 13, 2023 5:44 pm

Juan, just curious. Did they use a jack hammer to get rid of at least 23 years plaque build-up as I can’t imagine regular hygiene dental equipment would be able to break through that sort of “dental morass”?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2023 5:45 pm

12 gauge from a distance of about 5 metres should do the trick.

Sharpened posthole shovel, if a 12 gauge isn’t an option.

Spinning Mouse
Spinning Mouse
December 13, 2023 5:46 pm

Queensland shadow ministers Sam Oโ€™Connor

Don’t do it Sam. If I recall, the one LNP member of Qld Parliament who had a solid increase in his majority in the last state election.

Young bloke, nice fella, potentially corruptible. Needs a wise old head talking to him, not some vacuous nonsense-spouting greenie.

Perplexed of Brisbane
Perplexed of Brisbane
December 13, 2023 5:46 pm

Tom
Dec 13, 2023 4:44 PM
Paywallian:

Earlier on Wednesday, Ms Wells had come out in support of Khawajaโ€™s plans to make a stand in support of Palestinians in Gaza, calling him โ€œa great Australianโ€.

โ€œAs federal Sport Minister I have always advocated for athletes having the right to a voice and to speak up on matters important to them,โ€ she said.

โ€œUsman Khawaja is a great athlete and a great Australian. He should have every right to speak up on matters that are important to him.โ€

Ahem. Israel Folau? Yes I know she wasn’t in government then but I don’t recall her standing up for him.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 13, 2023 5:46 pm

I had a close encounter of the snake kind this morning.

I’ll give you mil, Roger.

Digger
Digger
December 13, 2023 5:47 pm

Total net is around 8 million Demon fraudulent votes.

I don’t think there are any scenarios when Republicans win the White House or Senate in 2024. It is highly likely that if I live another 20 years I will not see another Republican President…

Republicans are the political equivalent to a bowl of blanc mange and they will simply watch and allow the Democrats to cheat and corruptly run the election to their advantage….

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 13, 2023 5:47 pm

flyingduk
Dec 13, 2023 5:23 PM
I can see why you were an anaesthetist, now try rooly rooly hard to come up with a positive strategy, even if is as simple as re-house Israel elsewhere.

OK, seeing as you asked: the problem here is *irreconcilable differences* between Judaism and Islam. To โ€˜winโ€™ here, Israel would need to eliminate *every muslim* in Gaza, and every muslim elsewhere in the world, and every copy of the koran, and all other knowledge of islam, and every โ€˜useful idiotโ€™ in the west, all without getting eliminated itself by Iranian nukes, or human waves across the border, and to retain a functioning economy, in the desert, after being ostracised by every country in the world .. off you go.

You have expanded on your thesis, but still have NOT come up with even the hint of a positive future strategy for the survival of the population of Israel in the future you envision. If it’s too hard, just say so and I can ignore your future comments on the subject.

WolfmanOz
December 13, 2023 5:48 pm

Arky
Dec 13, 2023 5:26 PM
Just back from the city after visit to see my dentist.
First time spending much time in central Melbourne.
Holy shit.

Is it safe ?

calli
calli
December 13, 2023 5:51 pm

Is it safe ?

๐Ÿ˜€

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 13, 2023 5:51 pm

Roger, the guests we have at our beachhouse saw a 2 metre red belly black 2 days ago. Sent a photo. It was fat as well. Lucky it was just passing through. First snake we’ve known about there.

JC
JC
December 13, 2023 5:52 pm

Is it safe ?

Inner city is the most expensive land in all the large Australian cities, but it’s a wasteland of debauchery according to “some”.

Zippster
Zippster
December 13, 2023 5:53 pm
Arky
December 13, 2023 5:56 pm

WolfmanOz
Dec 13, 2023 5:48 PM
Arky
Dec 13, 2023 5:26 PM

Is it safe ?

..
As far as Asian cities go, there are safer ones than Melbourne. Cleaner too.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 13, 2023 6:01 pm

Caught out on the thread change.

Lizzie to Duk:

My suggestions re slandering Islam via Mecca and Al Aqua in a test case as you do to the Jewish religion referred to the current situation not any future one.

Dukโ€™s belated response:

The Duk adds Lizzie to his list of accusersโ€ฆโ€ฆ

Hereโ€™s a challenge, tell me one time I said I was anti-israel or anti jews ?

Duk, Iโ€™ve been out Christmas lunching all day, hence a late response. Iโ€™ve kept my comments to you rational and mostly re military matters. I started though pulling you up on a statement you made about Jews not needing Israel as a homeland. I know that many Jews would see that as a slander on their religion, so I implied to you that you were unknowledgable and perhaps thus unwittingly slanderous. You seemed to have either no idea about or no regard for the Jewish religionโ€™s most sacred elements. The homeland of Israel, as well as Jerusalem, is held as sacred to Jews as Mecca and the Al Aqsa Mosque are to Muslims.

I havenโ€™t ever called you anti-Semitic, just not up to speed in your commentary on Jewishness and the religious significance of Israel within the diaspora. I think that should be clear from my general commentary yesterday. Iโ€™ve said you are rather too inclined to take a unitary view about the Muslim and Jewish worlds beyond the middle east, and even re the Arab world of the middle east, and Iโ€™m certainly not the only one here saying that. Recall too that I have noted how middle eastern Israel itself is.

None of this is to say that I am all kumbaya about Muslim settlement in Europe.
Far from it. However what happens in the middle east doesnโ€™t determine entirely what happens elsewhere. Much else comes into play.

Roger
Roger
December 13, 2023 6:06 pm

Roger, the guests we have at our beachhouse saw a 2 metre red belly black 2 days ago. Sent a photo. It was fat as well. Lucky it was just passing through. First snake weโ€™ve known about there.

They’re quite docile, grey.

The browns will strike if they think there’s no other option.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 13, 2023 6:07 pm

Swanston St was never much chop. Canโ€™t imagine it has improved. The โ€œParis Endโ€ it was not.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
December 13, 2023 6:08 pm

JC

I think this was the “is it safe” being referred to.

Digger
Digger
December 13, 2023 6:12 pm

Israel would need to eliminate *every muslim* in Gaza, and every muslim elsewhere in the world, and every copy of the koran, and all other knowledge of islam, and every โ€˜useful idiotโ€™ in the west

Thats a big ask… they betta get on with it then…

Bar Beach Swimmer
December 13, 2023 6:14 pm

BoN @ 4:17pm

A veritable Mata Hari she is corrupting the wet Libs with fake science and looney lefty rubbish.

BoN, in this corruption caper she’s not holding the proverbial gun to their heads. If it’s that easy to influence them there’s no corrupting influence at all; this is there position.

And in the real world there were seven coal ships off the coast this morning!

Bar Beach Swimmer
December 13, 2023 6:15 pm

Dear Calli,
best regards to you and your dear ones tomorrow.
BBS

Muddy
Muddy
December 13, 2023 6:15 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Yet another reason why the Liberal Party must be obliterated politically.

Can the Lieborals be deradicalised?
(Rhetorical question, of course: Napalm that side of the playground).

JC
JC
December 13, 2023 6:18 pm

thefrollickingmole
Dec 13, 2023 6:08 PM

JC

I think this was the โ€œis it safeโ€ being referred to.

Okay. LOL.

Bar Beach Swimmer
December 13, 2023 6:21 pm

P, DB forwarded what seems to be an invalid email address?

JC
JC
December 13, 2023 6:21 pm

Swanston St was never much chop.

It was actually a major shopping thoroughfare when I was growing up. Then, they turned it into a mall and it went to shit.

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 13, 2023 6:24 pm

Lieutenant Colonel Tomer Grinberg, 35, Major Roei Meldasi, 23, Major Moshe Avram Bar-On, 23, Sergeant Achia Daskal, 19, Captain Liel Hayo, 22, Major Ben Shelly, 26, Major Rom Hecht, 20 and Sergeant Oriya Yaakov, 19 died on Tuesday.

Thats a pretty rank heavy cas list, sounds like a battalion HQ got hit.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
December 13, 2023 6:25 pm


P
Dec 13, 2023 6:06 PM
โ€˜Feeble leaderโ€™: Sharri Markson blasts PM for Israel-Hamas ceasefire call

Anthony Feeble-knee-zee

P
P
December 13, 2023 6:25 pm

P, DB forwarded what seems to be an invalid email address?

I emailed DB this morning. He knows my email. It was your email that I await receipt of in order to send you some Dr Who photos that I think you will enjoy.

Zippster
Zippster
December 13, 2023 6:27 pm
JC
JC
December 13, 2023 6:27 pm

Sally Crapp, the Melbourne mayor and the Liars are going what they possibly can to destroy the city. Over the lockdown, they reduced parking spaces by probably 30% and added empty looking bike lanes reducing streets to a single lane for cars. The parking signs are unintelligible, which means that if you’re lucky to take the only street parking space in the city, you will invariablby get a fine for not reading the signs correctly.

JC
JC
December 13, 2023 6:28 pm

doing, not going.

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 13, 2023 6:29 pm

It was actually a major shopping thoroughfare when I was growing up.

Really? I just recall crappy cafes.

Only time Swanston St.was cool.

Brislurker
Brislurker
December 13, 2023 6:32 pm

Calli,
All the best for tomorrow. One blessing is that your father is in a much better place now, free of pain.

C.L.
C.L.
December 13, 2023 6:33 pm

Zoe Daniel openly canvasses the possibility of killing Australian Jews:

“Consequences for the Jewish community”

https://twitter.com/misha_saul/status/1734745295773380768

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 13, 2023 6:34 pm

We are in expert hands.

Canadian Medical Schools Asked To Shift From “Medical Expertise” To Anti-Racism & Social Justice Training (13 Dec)

There is a major controversy brewing in Canada over a proposal in the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons that schools shift from emphasizing โ€œmedical expertiseโ€ in favor of teaching โ€œanti-racismโ€ and social justice values.

The report states that the new emphasis should center around โ€œvalues such as anti-oppression, anti-racism, and social justice, rather than medical expertise.โ€

By โ€œde-centering medical expertise,โ€ the anti-racism experts suggest courses focusing on โ€œanti-racism,โ€ โ€œanti-oppression,โ€ โ€œsocial justice and equity,โ€ โ€œinclusive compassion,โ€ and โ€œdecolonization.โ€

That includes the perils of capitalism and other โ€œpower structuresโ€

If you wonder why the medical response to Covid was such a total debacle, now you know why. Take two asprin and go to bed, you’ll probably have a better prognosis than being at the mercy of woke quacks.

Roger
Roger
December 13, 2023 6:34 pm

Sally Crapp, the Melbourne mayor and the Liars are going what they possibly can to destroy the city.

So that’s what one of Knights ‘toons was about this morning.

Sometimes a bit esoteric for non-Melburnians.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
December 13, 2023 6:35 pm

That group of unfortunately killed soldiers is top heavy in terms of rank. A battalion command group ?

P
P
December 13, 2023 6:36 pm

P, DB forwarded what seems to be an invalid email address?

There is a zero in it, not the letter O. Just copy and paste what DB sent.

flyingduk
flyingduk
December 13, 2023 6:37 pm

You have expanded on your thesis, but still have NOT come up with even the hint of a positive future strategy for the survival of the population of Israel in the future you envision. If itโ€™s too hard, just say so

What part of ‘I dont see how Israel can survive, long term’ is unclear to you?… IMHO there is no ‘positive future’, I dont just believe its too hard, absent a reformation of Islam, I think its impossible. Thats my assessment of the situation as a 25 year military officer with 3 deployments of the middle east – its not what I want to happen, its what I think will happen. Its not my job to reassure people by lying about my analysis.

and I can ignore your future comments on the subject.

Feel free to ‘lalala’ if you cant (Jack Nicolson style), ‘handle the truth’, but as the old adage goes – ‘you can ignore reality – you just cant ignore the consequences…’ wishing it were otherwise doesnt make it so – and lets be honest here…. most of the opposition to my analysis stems from wishing it was not so… rather than from a robust counter argument.

rosie
rosie
December 13, 2023 6:37 pm
Bourne1879
Bourne1879
December 13, 2023 6:37 pm

Snap with Flying Duk.

Cassie of Sydney
December 13, 2023 6:38 pm

Lieutenant Colonel Tomer Grinberg, 35, Major Roei Meldasi, 23, Major Moshe Avram Bar-On, 23, Sergeant Achia Daskal, 19, Captain Liel Hayo, 22, Major Ben Shelly, 26, Major Rom Hecht, 20 and Sergeant Oriya Yaakov, 19 died on Tuesday.”

I’ve been very depressed today and this just adds to my depression. I weep.

JC
JC
December 13, 2023 6:38 pm

Only time Swanston St.was cool.

Mum would take me shopping there when I was a kid. You could actually park the car on Swanston street.I recall a famous cake shop there and I end up with a sweet after she went clothes shopping.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 13, 2023 6:39 pm

Thats a pretty rank heavy cas list, sounds like a battalion HQ got hit.

Looking at that list, I’d agree with you. O-Group in progress?

Muddy
Muddy
December 13, 2023 6:40 pm

John Constantine.
John Comnenus.
Stimpy!
Tailgunner.
Deadman.
Eyrie.

C.L.
C.L.
December 13, 2023 6:42 pm
flyingduk
flyingduk
December 13, 2023 6:42 pm

Lieutenant Colonel Tomer Grinberg, 35, Major Roei Meldasi, 23, Major Moshe Avram Bar-On, 23, Sergeant Achia Daskal, 19, Captain Liel Hayo, 22, Major Ben Shelly, 26, Major Rom Hecht, 20 and Sergeant Oriya Yaakov, 19 died on Tuesday.

Thats a pretty rank heavy cas list, sounds like a battalion HQ got hit.

having said that, there were 3 Majors under 26 and a 22y0 Captain,….sounds odd, unless casualty rates are extreme.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 13, 2023 6:43 pm

Eyrie is still around but less frequent.

P
P
December 13, 2023 6:45 pm

Eyrie is still around but less frequent.

But always good value!

Pogria
Pogria
December 13, 2023 6:47 pm

RickW is missed.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 13, 2023 6:47 pm

But always good value!

Yep.

Cassie of Sydney
December 13, 2023 6:48 pm

I miss Gab. I suspect many lurk here.

The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
December 13, 2023 6:48 pm

When I woke up this mornin’
UN were on my mind.
UN-were-on-my-mind;
I got troubles, whoa-oh,
I got worries, whoa-oh,
I got funds to find!

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 13, 2023 6:48 pm

SandyP

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