Open Thread – Fri 22 Dec 2023


, Le Moulin de la Galette, Pablo Picasso, 1900

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C.L.
C.L.
December 22, 2023 12:55 pm

Note that Mrs Levy required a security detail of presidential proportions.

rosie
rosie
December 22, 2023 12:57 pm
rosie
rosie
December 22, 2023 1:03 pm
alwaysright
alwaysright
December 22, 2023 1:05 pm

CL prompts the question:

Was JFK the last prez to have a minimal security detail?

rosie
rosie
December 22, 2023 1:06 pm

People being confronted by the reality that islam is a religion of hate and all other people need to do is merely exist.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
December 22, 2023 1:07 pm

Javier Milei , check out his speech on Micheal Smith news.

I hope he has a very good security detail, because he now has a big target on his back.

We are too dunb in Australia to elect someone like him who would solve all our problems in one term.

Roger
Roger
December 22, 2023 1:08 pm

more love for Taleb

“Jesus was not Jewish” was a Nazi trope.

Gilas
Gilas
December 22, 2023 1:08 pm

Lee is tending to believe that sex with Hoggins took place, despite all the contradictory evidence and the Hog’s lies, malfeasance with her phones, messages and photos.
Add the undeniable fact of intoxication and Brucie’s case is cooked.

The amount of “understanding” that even an excellent judge like Lee is prepared to give a mendacious slag like Hoggins, even after accepting that she lied on multiple occasions, is really quite extraordinary.

The portents are not looking good.

Robert Sewell
December 22, 2023 1:09 pm

rosie

Dec 22, 2023 12:34 PM
terrorist supporters beat up black Americans at a Democrat Christmas party in Michigan. Please keep going.

Call it a boomerang beating – it’s what Black America has been inflicting on White America for the last 30 years.
Not so hot being on the receiving end of the Common Enemy, is it Democrats?

will
will
December 22, 2023 1:13 pm

Now they have abandoned the game altogether in favour of 24/7/365 price gouging that’s impervious to the world crude price.

If you don’t like the market price, leave and walk everywhere.

Petrol retailers are damned if they do and damned if they don’t, whilst the government escapes all blame. If local price competition squeezes the price, retailers have to match this even if their stock was purchased at higher prices. If the landed cost of product goes up, retailers need to further invest working capital to stay in business. All the while idiots complain, resulting in a government enquiry about every 10 years into petrol prices, and each and every enquiry has yet to find the grand price conspiracy alleged.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
December 22, 2023 1:14 pm

Bruce that’s quite a contortion of animal husbandry- not to mention the underlying voodoo physics of CCCCCCC*- to push the “rollup and bend over for vaccines, forever”-
Diseases with high mortality levels, such as classical swine fever or avian influenza, mean farmers need to use more resources and raise additional animals to maintain food production. This will cause the generation of more greenhouse gas emissions.
However, controlling common animal diseases effectively through tools like vaccination proves to be a sustainable way of tackling climate change.

Oh, the penny’s dropped. Between the lines is compulsory vaccination for livestock. No biggie, file it alongside Carbon Accounting, Nitrogen Rationing and Methane Abatement, I’m sure it’ll never be used as a tool for coercion. /sarc

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
December 22, 2023 1:18 pm

Lee is tending to believe
I hope J Lee is self-aware enough to dismiss “tendencies” and “beliefs” and not damn an innocent man for an act without evidence.

Lysander
Lysander
December 22, 2023 1:28 pm

ACOSS and the Salvos on radio this morning bemoaning Stage 3 tax cuts. Seriously, what has it got to do with them?

Surely this is just “wealth envy?” Not even that, when it applies from $45K up?

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 1:29 pm

After dismissing “feelz” the judge now permits them of himself? Bizarre.

Enter Rumour, painted full of tongues… From Rumour’s tongues they bring smooth comforts false, worse than true wrongs.

Shakespeare knew how it worked.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 1:32 pm

Seriously, what has it got to do with them?

Diminished “customer” base. Without the needy, these parasitic agencies wouldn’t exist.

Dot
Dot
December 22, 2023 1:33 pm

Petrol retailers are damned if they do and damned if they don’t, whilst the government escapes all blame. If local price competition squeezes the price, retailers have to match this even if their stock was purchased at higher prices. If the landed cost of product goes up, retailers need to further invest working capital to stay in business. All the while idiots complain, resulting in a government enquiry about every 10 years into petrol prices, and each and every enquiry has yet to find the grand price conspiracy alleged.

Excise tax could be abolished in one day.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
December 22, 2023 1:34 pm

Patrick Bet David (PBD) podcast yesterday had on a very interesting guest.

Her Wikipedia intro para.
Emily Austin (born 2001 or 2002) is an American journalist, social media influencer, model, actress, and independent NBA broadcaster.

Youngest guest PBD has had on.
Best looking one I have seen on PBD. By far !
Jewish and proud of it. See her ring and pendant.
Smart and straight talker
Was even a judge on Miss Universe 2022. She is that good looking she could be a participant.
Been threatened and had to deal with FBI over death threats. No prizes for guessing which religion the threat maker belongs to.

Worth a look.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 22, 2023 1:35 pm

“Jesus was not Jewish” was a Nazi trope

Arafat said it too, “Jesus was a Palestinian” and no-one dared to laugh at his blatant lie.

Robert Sewell
December 22, 2023 1:36 pm

Calli:

Diminished “customer” base. Without the needy, these parasitic agencies wouldn’t exist.

I saw a while back that ‘charities’ employ nearly a million people in Australia. Is this for real, or a misprint?

Dot
Dot
December 22, 2023 1:37 pm

Arafat said it too, “Jesus was a Palestinian”

A man of many talents. Also mocked by the Sanhedrin and Romans as Jesus, the King of the Jews.

Maybe they should just become Arab Israelis after all.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 1:38 pm

And Matrix, I’m sorry about your dad. He needs his shave, the nurses used dad’s little Philishave to keep him spruced up. It still had some battery left when we brought his things home.

It’s a hard road ahead of everyone, just keep going forward even if it’s only millimetres at a time.

P
P
December 22, 2023 1:40 pm

ANGLICANISM AT A CROSSROADS
by Mouneer Anis and Gerald McDermott
12 . 21 . 23

Siltstone
Siltstone
December 22, 2023 1:40 pm

If the Salvos paid tax one might listen to them. But no.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 1:42 pm

Back when I did careers advice at a Uni, “charity” organisations were on the up and up, as well as anything “environmental”. This is thirty years ago.

As the line in the movie goes, “build it and they will come.”.

Can’t help the suspicion that our universities were already gearing up for a massive oversupply even then. So…all you need is a catalyst. Enter Al Gore and the decay of socialism and there you have it. A need for environmentalists and social/aid workers.

Pogria
Pogria
December 22, 2023 1:45 pm

Robert Sewell
Dec 22, 2023 12:16 PM
Matrix Transform:

when you look in the mirror every day ask yourself, who is it that shaves a dying man

A nurse.
Don’t bother thanking me.

Nurses, mostly, but I always remember an Italian friend of mine who looked after both her parents. They were both sinking into dementia, mum faster than dad, and mum became mean with it.
Dad was a happy, gentle soul and I would often have coffee with and watch my friend lovingly shave her dad as he sat at the table with us. Safety razor and shave soap, the way he liked it. She had a family, held down a part time job and looked after her parents. She was also a great friend. Never complained.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 1:47 pm

The Salvos are two things – little faith communities committed to serving the needy and helpless.

And the bloated, publicly funded “charity” that masquerades as “Christian” to enhance its bona fides.

You could say that of many once private organisations now sucking from the public teat. And as they suck, they become more and more wasteful, and less and less of service to anyone but themselves.

Lysander
Lysander
December 22, 2023 1:47 pm

LOL the Salvo’s argument against the tax relief is because “it will drive inflation as rich people (sic) will have more disposable income.”

People on $45K rejoice! You’re rich!!! 😛

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 1:49 pm

Tom
Dec 22, 2023 11:52 AM
Many thanks, Humphrey — you’re a fount of information.

Brittnah and her fat hag are holed up in “Moe with frogs”.

Sadly, I was too dumb at first to get the cultural reference and went straight to this.

At 3 hours long I gave up after 10 seconds. Back to the white wine and Happy Friday for me.

Lysander
Lysander
December 22, 2023 1:49 pm

I don’t doubt the Salvos do some good work, but their “Christian” belief system would make Jesus blush.

Robert Sewell
December 22, 2023 1:56 pm

Jayzus, Mary & Joseph.
Cousin is down with the covid thingy and is crook as a dog.
Caught it from a new bloke at work, who is now in hospital.
And yes – cousin has had all the injections. ALL of them.
I’ve demanded he sends used tissues up to me so I can catch it and get some o’ dat natural immunity.

Chris
Chris
December 22, 2023 1:58 pm

ANGLICANISM AT A CROSSROADS
by Mouneer Anis and Gerald McDermott
12 . 21 . 23

Thanks P!
Surprised it has taken so long, they were predicting this 35-40 years ago when the openly gay bishops issue was being counter-argued by the minority Sydney Evangelicals in the church.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 22, 2023 2:00 pm

If the Salvos paid tax one might listen to them. But no.

I stopped giving to them when they sent a kitchen to cook for the Greens protesting at the G20 in Brisbane in 2014.

Not one cent since. I am sad that had to be the way of it, but actions have consequences.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 2:01 pm

Understanding the Failure of QE

COMMENT: Thank you. That post finally opened my eyes. That’s why there has been no inflation with all the QE and negative interest rates since 2014 here in Europe. If I buy your house and we are in the same country, it’s just a poker game. The number of chips on the board just moved from one player to the other. But if a new player joins the game, the cash pot rises.

I finally understand why you warned the central bankers that the negative rates would never work. Brilliant! I can’t thank you enough. You taught me more in one post than I learned in 4 years of economics class.

You need to write a book.

FH

REPLY: I am working on that now. I hope people will start to understand that the central banks are trapped. That is why Powell warned Congress this spending is “unsustainable.” Central banks normally do not criticize the government. What Powell said was MONUMENTAL, and most people who blame the Fed are blind to the real crisis facing us post-2024.

I still get hate mail from Goldbugs who refuse to open their eyes. Unfortunately, plenty of people will lose their shirts because of their indoctrination into a theory that does not work. The old theories were developed when the exchange rate among nations was based on metal content. There was no major debt market as today where central banks are holding the debt of other nations for reserves in this game of foreign trade and capital flows.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/economics/understanding-the-failure-of-qe/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Chris
Chris
December 22, 2023 2:08 pm

I don’t doubt the Salvos do some good work, but their “Christian” belief system would make Jesus blush.

Well, like James they show their faith by their works. I have slept in their hostel in Kalgoorlie when I had about nothing and just lobbed into town. Another time I was travelling with a mate in the Army who saw a Salvo by the roadside and he pulled straight over and slung the man a $50 (when that was way more than pocket change). He told me that once when they came out of the bush on an extended training exercise, there was no Army support on the spot but the Salvos were there for them.

Alamak!
December 22, 2023 2:10 pm

All the while idiots complain, resulting in a government enquiry about every 10 years into petrol prices, and each and every enquiry has yet to find the grand price conspiracy alleged.

Let them eat (EV) cake! Why is anyone complaining about price of those nasty fossil fuels when they can use clean, green, costless electricity.

Expect Bowen to complain about “Maroons” who don’t understand the low low cost of EV usage in order to lose a few more votes.

Tom
Tom
December 22, 2023 2:10 pm

If you don’t like the market price, leave and walk everywhere.

Will, I think you will find the retail operating margin on fuel is astronomical.

About a decade ago, I calculated the break-even was about A6c/l. Since then the average size of servos has tripled or quadrupled — I’d be amazed if the break-even these days is more than $A4c/l.

I haven’t had a look lately, but I’d be astonished if average retail margins are less than 30c/l as the former discount-then-gouging cycle has been abolished.

If that’s so, pouring petrol is now as profitable as running a big bank.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 2:12 pm

Robert Sewell
Dec 22, 2023 1:56 PM
Jayzus, Mary & Joseph.
Cousin is down with the covid thingy and is crook as a dog.
Caught it from a new bloke at work, who is now in hospital.
And yes – cousin has had all the injections. ALL of them.
I’ve demanded he sends used tissues up to me so I can catch it and get some o’ dat natural immunity.

The Jabs/Boosters don’t work. I’ve never had them and have never had the virus (not that I know of as I never had any of those stupid tests). My Immune System given to me by Mother Nature and my ancestors (the lovely English) works quite well along with the red wine, white wine, whisky, gin, vodka, port, rum, beer, cider and good food.

And now for another glass of something nice on this Happy Friday.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 22, 2023 2:12 pm

Out shopping, small boy 7 and girl 5 with their mum. Small boy telling his mum his freind is getting a dog for Christmas. Eyes as big as saucers and girl nodding furiously. The look on mums face told a different story. Kids and dogs go together. I am so missing my wee mutt. Each time grandson comes over he goes and stands in front of mutt’s cairn. Seems a bit puzzled about burying him under a pile of rocks.

Mak Sikkar
Mak Sikkar
December 22, 2023 2:18 pm

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/12/22/the-racism-of-the-intellectuals/

(My bolding.)

The racism of the intellectuals

As the Ivy League anti-Semitism scandal shows, an elite education offers no immunity to bigotry.

CORY FRANKLIN

22nd December 2023

‘Anti-Semitism is a symptom of ignorance, and the cure for ignorance is knowledge.’ These words were spoken by Harvard University president Claudine Gay during her congressional testimony about anti-Semitism earlier this month. This may seem like a simple, comforting homily, but parse that sentence and you will find a thin layer of self-serving hubris. Implicit is the message that because we are Harvard, we cannot be ignorant. So we can’t be anti-Semitic.

History teaches a different lesson. Gay would be well served by reading the speech delivered by late Supreme Court justice Antonin Scalia at the 1997 Day of Remembrance commemoration for Holocaust victims. It included these words: ‘The one message I want to convey today is that you will have missed the most frightening aspect of it all, if you do not appreciate that [the Holocaust] happened in one of the most educated, most progressive, most cultured countries in the world.’

President Gay, godspeed in your fight to eradicate anti-Semitism at Harvard. But remember one thing: as Justice Scalia cautioned, the German scholars who revered Beethoven and were well versed in Goethe were the same ones who facilitated genocide.

Rossini
Rossini
December 22, 2023 2:19 pm

We stopped donating to the Salvos when they were decrying “white privilege”

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 2:20 pm

If that’s so, pouring petrol is now as profitable as running a big bank.

Which is why, no one is going to move away from petroleum any time soon. Apart from the obvious of course.

And as for a bank, give me the Reserve Bank of Australia. BTW – aren’t we all shareholders? We must be as the RBA pays a dividend to the Feral Guv’ment when it makes money especially on foreign exchange transactions.

JMH
JMH
December 22, 2023 2:20 pm

BoN re. Salvos.

I stopped giving to them when they sent a kitchen to cook for the Greens protesting at the G20 in Brisbane in 2014.

Same here.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 2:24 pm

I’m minding a pooch mid January. Two weeks. That should cure me for a while.

I have had three jabs and many tests because caring for the elderly and visiting nursing homes. Never a positive result. Can’t seem to get it, even in crowded conditions overseas. The jabs don’t work the way they were intended to and in many cases do actual harm.

Thankfully, the Beloved came round to this conclusion over a year ago. So definitely no more for us.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 2:25 pm

Also the supposed efficacy of the jabs ran out long before any overseas exposure, so I would be considered “unprotected”. What a sick joke.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 2:29 pm

What I would like to be protected from is paper wasps. Out in the garden a couple of hours ago and…Bang! My poor hand got bumped about half a dozen times. It low looks like a watermelon coloured bread roll.

The mongrels are nesting under the canopy of the Seville orange. I’m going to hunt the buggers out and exterminate with glee.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 2:31 pm

Aw…it’s up from its little afternoon nap. I’m told the elderly need them.

duncanm
duncanm
December 22, 2023 2:33 pm

Big_Nambas
Dec 22, 2023 1:07 PM
Javier Milei , check out his speech on Micheal Smith news.

Wow – the most impressive speech from any world leader in recent times, I’d say.
source:

https://twitter.com/agustinavcid/status/1737647873859412175

C.L.
C.L.
December 22, 2023 2:33 pm

Typo?

ANGLICANISM AT A CROSSROADS
by Mouneer Anis and Gerald McDermott
12 . 21 . 23

Thanks P!
Surprised it has taken so long, they were predicting this 35-40 years ago

They were predicting it 350-400 years ago.

duncanm
duncanm
December 22, 2023 2:34 pm

Milei’s speech reminds me of Reagan pre-president.

Lysander
Lysander
December 22, 2023 2:35 pm

We bought the kids a puppy this Christmas. A cavoodle/terrier.

She sure is a cutey and the kids love her so she is never lacking any attention!

C.L.
C.L.
December 22, 2023 2:35 pm

Wow – the most impressive speech from any world leader in recent times, I’d say.

That was my reaction too. Totally forthright oration for grown-ups with absolutely no feelz and bribes. He is giving his countrymen a chance – and a choice: grow up and accept reality; improve reality by sacrifice for your children; let’s roll.

Will people listen or will they be coaxed away again by free stuff?

Lysander
Lysander
December 22, 2023 2:36 pm

Don’t forget that, to some extent, Javier’s election was also a nice big FU to the Red Papa.

will
will
December 22, 2023 2:39 pm

I saw a while back that ‘charities’ employ nearly a million people in Australia. Is this for real, or a misprint?

I believe that there are 60,000 charities registered with the tax office, one for every 400 people. There are significant tax benefits as the first $15,900 of income can be salary sacrificed, effectively tax free.

A bigger scam is the “social enterprise” business that deranged leftist lunatic governments love, such as the local LNP run Council.

Lysander
Lysander
December 22, 2023 2:39 pm

Will people listen or will they be coaxed away again by free stuff?

As with Meloni (who has gone very quiet), I wonder if WEF/elites etc.. will also threaten Argentina?

bons
bons
December 22, 2023 2:44 pm

This morning, purely for reasons of research, I visited that triumph of free market efficiency, Dan Murphy’s at Christmas time.

As I was surveying the massive stockholding, the massed customers, the efficient checkouts and the helpful staff, a random thought came to mind: “what would happen if Blackout Bowen were appointed as Minister for Retail Markets”.

It would be a long time between drinks!

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 2:46 pm

Wow – the most impressive speech from any world leader in recent times, I’d say.

Just wow. A truly incredible speech.

The Argy ETF is up around 35% since the beginning of Nov.

Chris
Chris
December 22, 2023 2:48 pm

They were predicting it 350-400 years ago.

LOL fair call

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 2:50 pm

Just watching the film ‘Malcolm’ on SBS World Movies.

One of the best and funniest Australian movies ever.

Top stuff.

will
will
December 22, 2023 2:52 pm

about a decade ago, I calculated the break-even was about A6c/l. Since then the average size of servos has tripled or quadrupled — I’d be amazed if the break-even these days is more than $A4c/l.

I haven’t had a look lately, but I’d be astonished if average retail margins are less than 30c/l as the former discount-then-gouging cycle has been abolished.

A small proportion of the pump price (3-5%) is received by fuel retailers to cover their costs. and leave a small margin. Most recent available ACCC analysis shows retail sector net profit on petrol was around 3.0 cent per litre over the period 2016-2018.

I have no doubt that petrol retailers, like any business, need to maintain their margins and volume but I doubt they are gold mines for the owners. It is absurd and unfair to call it “gouging” when it is just demand management of the available product. In comes in by ship in discrete quantities with a limitation on storage and the price is reduced to clear product to allow for the next shipment, and the price is allow to level up if the inventory is down. Would you like to turn up at the pump with no fuel? The price signal allocates the product.

Pogria
Pogria
December 22, 2023 2:53 pm

Grey Ranga,
get yourself another dog, soon!
I couldn’t be without a dog. They have been my best mates my whole life. Even the “I’ll be with you as soon as I’ve dug out this rabbit” dogs who eventually, in their own good time, deign to come and see what you want. God love ’em.
Even when they give you heart attacks like my chihuahua cross did this morning when a brown snake slithered in front of him! aaaargh, he went after it into the bushes! He is still alive and sitting next to me as I type, whew.

But, dogs also make you stupid. I have two grown, well house-trained (except said chihuahua can be a vengeful little toad, especially for a couple of weeks after the pups came!), lead and car trained, pretty much come when called, pretty perfect actually. Then I go and get two puppies! Brother and sister. A mix of Pug, Cavalier and English Cocker Spaniel. So, the silky soft floppy ears, the liquid brown deep pool eyes, the soft as a teddy bear bodies, how can you not be happy.
Hahahaha, all that while they pee and crap on the floor, chew your shoes no matter how many bones and chew toys are strewn on the floor. And, you have to raise the cat litter trays off the floor as they reckon raiding parties through the litter for a tasty treat are the bees knees! I bought a cart load of wine yesterday, haven’t had a drink in a couple of months.

But, if you ask me if I reckon I was wrong to have them, I would most emphatically say NO WAY!
Now I just have to stop them chewing through the cable that powers my you beaut electric recliner. sigh… 😀

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 2:53 pm

Will people listen or will they be coaxed away again by free stuff?

Great question. He needs to move very fast on the major policies. The dollarisation aspect of the package is the most important, but it unfortunately has to come at the very end of the reforms. In order to dollarise, the Argy economy has to be at least as flexible if not more than the US as shocks emanating from US monetary policy have to be absorbed through the Argy economy. Reform and massive deregulation has to come first and then dollarisation.

If he succeeds there’s little possibility of anything else coming back for the foreseeable future because the ability to fund the spending through printing will be blocked.

Lysander
Lysander
December 22, 2023 2:59 pm
hzhousewife
hzhousewife
December 22, 2023 3:01 pm

He told me that once when they came out of the bush on an extended training exercise, there was no Army support on the spot but the Salvos were there for them.

My last charity donation about 20 years ago was a $50 note direct to a Salvo on the street on Anzac Day, dear old Dad said the Salvos were always there in New Guinea with hot coffee, rain hail or shine, or Japs. So I paid them for some of that.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 3:02 pm

duncanm
Dec 22, 2023 2:33 PM
Big_Nambas
Dec 22, 2023 1:07 PM
Javier Milei , check out his speech on Micheal Smith news.

Wow – the most impressive speech from any world leader in recent times, I’d say.
source:

https://twitter.com/agustinavcid/status/1737647873859412175

That is Dutton’s acceptance speech when he takes over in 2025.

Pogria
Pogria
December 22, 2023 3:04 pm

Speaking of dogs, there has been no mention of the dog Bulk Britnee and her Feeder bought immediately after the bribe money came through.
Most likely was only needed for the photo shoot to show their “happy families, for real!”, magazine spread.

duncanm
duncanm
December 22, 2023 3:06 pm

Pogria – I made the mistake of flipping through their French arrival photos. There was a dog at the airport.

Probably flew first class in a colour-matching outfit.

Pogria
Pogria
December 22, 2023 3:09 pm

Thanks Duncan,
you have a stronger stomach than I. 😀

C.L.
C.L.
December 22, 2023 3:11 pm

A puppy story from the US border that has a happy ending (scroll):

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1737656615199793361

Warwick
Warwick
December 22, 2023 3:13 pm

I would be astonished if the judge doesn’t give Lehrmann a win. Ch 10 and the Toad defamed him. That Project episode was a complete disgrace, and the Logies speech that followed from it was also a complete disgrace. Bruce shouldn’t have even been charged in the first place. Brittany said she was passing out drunk and that was simply untrue. From there, her entire story falls apart.

The whole thing is complete nonsense. Literally, Brittney is a complete bullshit artist. Everything she said in that interview was absolute nonsense. She is a lying cow! Reynolds was right.

Some folks are having a go at Bruce because it’s turned into a bit of a saga. I am glad he fought back. It takes courage. He has always denied rape and said no sex took place. Did he think of having sex with her? Maybe. Was he attracted to her? Maybe. All possible. But there is simply no evidence at all that he raped her. Absolutely none. So, he is not guilty. He was defamed and Ch 10 and the Toad should pay.

PS. For what it’s worth I am still hugely dismayed that BRS lost his case. So, it’s highly possible I don’t understand the law and will be dismayed again.

Black Ball
Black Ball
December 22, 2023 3:14 pm

If youse Sydney Cats and Kittehs are planning a shindig say 13th January, would be excellent

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 3:21 pm

Black Ball
Dec 22, 2023 3:14 PM
If youse Sydney Cats and Kittehs are planning a shindig say 13th January, would be excellent

Rabbie Burns night is better IMHO. Haggis and neaps as well as whisky.

https://www.awarenessdays.com/awareness-days-calendar/burns-night-2024/#:~:text=January%2025%2C%202024&text=This%20annual%20event%20is%20observed,music%2C%20and%20a%20special%20meal

Lysander
Lysander
December 22, 2023 3:27 pm

My five cents…

I think both BL and BH are liars. So does Lee.

That, however, does not detract from the fact that defamation occurred. It would be difficult for Lee not to find they both had holes in their stories with some outright lies. And I could be wrong, but being a liar is not what the trial is about. Justice Lee said making a five page judgement was “tempting” but conceded he thinks it’ll be quite longer.

I think, to cover his own butt, he’ll need to go into the intricacies stories and associated lies but will separate these out from his final judgement on whether defamation occurred.

MatrixTransform
December 22, 2023 3:30 pm

A nurse.
Don’t bother thanking me

thank you anyway

I realised that today when they suggested getting a good razor cos the hospital ones are rubbish

and had never really thought of it before

and then I though of John Donne’s No Man is an Island and not asking for whom the bell tolls

we’re all shaving a dying man when we can see ourselves in the mirror

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 3:30 pm

Black Ball, if Woddenhead shows up, make you stick your wallet in the front pocket and perhaps let everyone else know to do the same.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 3:32 pm

dover0beach
Dec 22, 2023 3:23 PM
Quite incredible to think that the Houthi coalition has so completely exposed US supremacy of the seas.

So how does the ‘Houthi Tootie’ detect an incoming US Nuclear Submarine?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 22, 2023 3:33 pm

Just watching the film ‘Malcolm’ on SBS World Movies.
One of the best and funniest Australian movies ever.

Seconded. Saw it at the flicks. I’ve never been able to look at an office garbage bin the same way ever since.

You don’t need a mega budget, you just need a good story. Somewhere in the last twenty or thirty years the fillum industry has forgotten that. It’s sad.

Zippster
Zippster
December 22, 2023 3:38 pm

You don’t need a mega budget, you just need a good story. Somewhere in the last twenty or thirty years the fillum industry has forgotten that. It’s sad.

there are no good stories in woke

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 3:39 pm

JC
Dec 22, 2023 3:30 PM

Junior has finally woken up for the daily ‘Argy Bargy’.

More crap typos as usual –

“shows up, make you stick your wallet” Mafioso Engrish taught in Sictoria.

LOL

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 3:43 pm

Fck off Wodney, you little limey crook. Stop interjecting with worthless comments all the time, especially when your betters are talking.

Gilas
Gilas
December 22, 2023 3:57 pm

At last, Whybrow made the same point Rafiki recently made ie. Brucie denied any sex with the Hog because there was NO possibility that any forensic evidence could ever be found to contradict this.
Because he, and only he, knew that this was true.

The later parts of Whybrow’s submission seemed to steer Lee back to findings consistent with the Hog being a scheming, malicious liar.

Richardson was truly impressive in his submission, fast pace delivery, all points well referenced. Hardly any interruptions by Lee.
Graham did something decent in his life, after all.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 4:00 pm

JC
Dec 22, 2023 3:43 PM

I never start any “Argy Bargy” yer’ ‘onour. I am guilty until proved innocent.

Errrrrrrrrrr, I mean………………………………………….Fark. I got it wong again……………………..

Betters? You are not talking. You are typing on a keyboard/key pad of some sort.

Back to school for you again in the New Year. The NDIS has plenty of openings I hear.

Maybe you can get a sense of humour as well.

johanna
johanna
December 22, 2023 4:04 pm

They would love an outbreak of social violence they could hang on the “far-right” to bring in Marshal Law

Shades of Sarah Sea Patrol!

It’s Martial Law, a very different thing, nothing to do with TV shows.

Don’t tell me, it was really hipster irony. 🙂

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 22, 2023 4:05 pm

Lysander

Dec 22, 2023 3:27 PM

My five cents…

I think both BL and BH are liars. So does Lee.

Quite so, although Britnah seems more practiced, and flippant about telling a Big Lie.

That, however, does not detract from the fact that defamation occurred.

I am bemused why there has been so much to-and-fro about whether wape took place. I guess it is important to put your foot on that base from the perspective of the truth defence. But beyond that it comes down to what Ten knew and did.
They knew nothing apart from what Britnah told them.
They made cursory attempts at last minute contact with Lehrmann.
They ignored counter claims from the Government disputing Britnah’s story of roadblocks and a cover-up.
Lee is raising some alarming points today, but I suspect they are not beliefs he holds, but rather some probing to test Whybrow’s summation.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 22, 2023 4:06 pm

From the Oz – I’ve only posted part of the article.

Challenge Clementine Ford’s hatred and this is what you get

Vindictive bullying is a hallmark of the followers of a cruel new wave of white, forty-something mummy influencers like Clementine Ford. After reviewing her book on marriage, I’ve learnt a lesson.
By Antonella Gambotto-Burke
From Review
December 22, 2023
12 minute read

On December 16, The Weekend Australian published my review of Clementine Ford’s new book, I Don’t: The Case Against Marriage. My review was unflattering. I underscored the hatred Ford has exhibited toward men, the inconsistencies in her feminist scholarship, and her glaringly white, middle-class point-of-view.

“All men must die.”

“Have you killed any men today? If not, why not?”

“Honestly, the coronavirus isn’t killing men fast enough.”

These are some of the things Ford has published. As I wrote: “While there is no question that some of the points she makes in I Don’t are accurate, the degree of disgust she expresses for men is more than disturbing; it should be illegal.”

I also criticised Ford’s abusive attacks on Zionist women, many of whom have been waiting since the 7 October attack on Israel for a show of solidarity from Western feminists like Ford. It is not disputed that Hamas terrorists raped and shot Jewish girls attending a music festival, taking some hostage, and leaving others to die in the desert.

Ford has described Zionist women, most of whom are Jewish, as “enthusiastic supporters of a murderous regime that has been killing children for over 70 years’. She has also said: “I don’t care that you felt betrayed or let down, and I especially don’t care that you want to have a big crybaby rant … You’re pathetic, you disgust me, and I pity you for being so basic and gross”. She has referred to Jews as “colonizers” — they have been worshipping in Israel since the time of King David — and she has said of their desire to remain in Israel: “Honestly, you actually can’t get any whiter than that.”

After my piece was shared online, Ford’s fans — mostly young, white Australian women – began to weigh in on my Instagram page. In the main, they ignored the points that I — a Catholic by birth; white, left-wing and unrelated to any Jew — had made about Ford’s inadequacies as a thinker, and focused instead on Ford’s campaign for a “free Palestine.”

An Instagrammer calling herself “Reanne” wrote: “For the record, people like ‘me’ couldn’t give two shits about the Jews … Jew women are supposedly not centre of attention (because) the thousands of babies slaughtered are. Grow up you imbecile.”

Ford is not the only high-profile white mummy blogger figurehead abusing “Zionist women” while manipulating their predominantly female followers with emotive footage of dead or dying babies.

On December 11, Lauren Dubois, a 42-year-old mother of three and formerly of 2GB and the ABC, posted a video to Instagram in which she said: “If somebody touched my child … I would be homicidal. I wouldn’t need an army. I would hunt them down myself. I would find them and I would tear them limb from limb with my bare hands” (a relatively unlikely threat?) After some tear-jerking melodrama about how she would never survive the death of her own child, Dubois carefully asks: “What kind of bloodthirsty, primeval creatures think this way?”

Why, the Jews, that’s who!

Historically, Dubois’s dehumanising adjectives – bloodthirsty, primeval, and so on – are, of course, resonant. As she stresses in her post, such monsters “don’t belong in a civilised society”.

In a November 13 post, Dubois was photographed wearing a keffiyeh, a Palestinian scarf, protesting with a placard at Parliament House. One side read, “ALBO WONG YOU WILL NEVER WASH THE BLOOD OF PALESTINIAN BABIES OFF YOUR HANDS”; and “BOMBING BABIES IS BAD”.

Fellow influencer Constance Hall, an amusingly sloppy 40-year-old mother of seven, is also known for her racially inflammatory rhetoric. On November 21, Hall posted: “LEAVE GAZA ALONE YOU F..KING MONSTERS.” On a December 10 post, Hall derided the Jews at length in a video – at one point, she mocked, “I am The Chosen One!”. And in a December 3 post, she wrote: “Amongst all the pain and division … I’ve never felt as connected to so many people … I’ve found myself so full of gratitude to be in contact with incredible Palestinians and Muslims. Any differences we may have once shared have melted away to reveal that at our core, we mirror each other’s hearts.”

Other than, one hopes, the well-established tradition among Hamas militants of violence towards the LGBTQIA community (informal beheadings and so on), early marriage, forced prostitution, sexual harassment, state-sanctioned torture, and inconsequential stuff like that.

Hall ended the post with: “From my heart to yours, Free Palestine.”

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 4:06 pm

You start most of them Wodney and you’ve been warned that it will come back at you and then cry victim. Busy letting off Marty Flatulence today, we see. The “top bloke” is never going to pay you a cent for promoting him, you dumb little limey crook.

And you’re not watching a movie. You’re going through catalogues finding a Thai ladyboy with a huge cock.

Zatara
Zatara
December 22, 2023 4:10 pm

Power Outages Force Maine to Delay Vote for Electric Vehicle Mandate

You couldn’t make this stuff up. Or rather you could, but nobody would believe it.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 4:14 pm

This is a letter sent to Airbus/Tennis Elbow by a distinguished Australian Scientist/Engineer –

Adi Paterson is the former chief of the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation and has written to Prime Minister Anthony Albanese demanding urgent action to keep the nation’s lights on.

Dear Prime Minister,

Australia has committed to produce electricity from nuclear power – to propel our future submarines. We have partnered with two mature nuclear countries, with nuclear submarine fleets, to achieve this objective. Our highly respected Collins-class submarines are one of the prime reasons we, as a Pacific partner, have been invited into the very small club of nuclear navies. Australian nuclear qualified engineers will operate the reactors in our nuclear-powered vessels.

The United States produced nuclear electricity for the first time in 1951. France and the United Kingdom (in separate programs) produced electricity from nuclear in 1956. Today it is illegal to develop or use nuclear power to produce electricity in our country.

Your electricity plan, for a massive expansion of the grid with wind and solar sources is deeply flawed, and expensive. It will fail to deliver quality, 24-hour electricity. Sadly, AEMO is not compelled by its structure to provide government with strategic advice that is fearless, frank and option based.

Lifting the bans on civilian nuclear power is an urgent, essential step to grow our economy and protect our way of life. Predictable, low carbon, always-on electricity is no longer assured.

What are our real options? “All of the above” – as President Obama famously stated, when asked his preferred sources for future energy security in the United States – he was particularly emphasising a focus on nuclear power.

The value proposition for civil nuclear power in Australia is compelling:

Adopt nuclear fission immediately and, in future, fusion power.
Maintain and grow our leadership as Pacific and Asian nations develop civilian nuclear power
programs.
Mine and enrich Uranium for the civilian nuclear fuel industry.
Underpin advanced manufacturing in the nuclear industry to complement our leadership in isotopes and nuclear medicine.
As a nation, we surely cannot logically and economically:

Develop a nuclear submarine platform (these are “electric boats”) for our national strategic defence objectives and,
Simultaneously, exclude access to society the benefits of nuclear power for industry,
public services, and households.
Australia will not lead the world in wind or solar industries. Our current policy settings are not working. They lack strategy and foresight.

However, we can aspire to participate in next generation nuclear power and its associated fuel cycle.

Nuclear power is highly differentiated from wind (40% capacity factor) and solar.

It does not require massive expansion of the grid – the cost of the envisaged grid expansion would fund the first nuclear plants for Australia.
Nuclear power is safer than solar and wind and has lower emissions and lifecycle costs.
The price of nuclear power to consumers is lower than high penetration wind and solar grids as exemplified by France vs Germany, Finland vs Denmark – and many others.
Nuclear and Hydro grids have the lowest carbon footprint globally.
On Friday 14th December the Eastern Grid blackouts in rural areas a sent warning signal to the Australian public, industry, and future investors, but not it seems to our political leaders. Tomorrow, we face similar conditions.

More broadly:

The increase in electricity prices – not planned by AEMO – surprised you and other senior leaders. They were predicted by the Australian experts proposing always-on, low carbon nuclear power.
Several independent engineering studies of grids like ours, and globally, show that saturation of intermittent sources will make the grid unstable and expensive – because of the principles of engineering.
Adding a much larger grid will not solve this fundamental problem – it will exacerbate it.
In the short term, using our aluminium smelters as part-time batteries (which is the case for a day or two a week at present) will fail, potentially very soon.
In meetings over the last 13 months with a range of stakeholders we found:

The technocratic doors in AEMO are closed and the flawed policy construct is entrenched as exemplified by the 2023 Corporate Plan.
The political framing by the Minister for Climate Change and Energy includes support for the draft 2024 AEMO plan (15 December).
In the light of this, it is essential that you urgently apply your mind to establishing an independent review that includes nuclear power in its scope. Australia needs real options. Policy settings can be changed. We need to have “all of the above” available. It is a question of scientifically sound engineering, and economics and practicality.

That requires statesmanship.

Dr Paterson called on the government establish an independent review that includes nuclear power in its scope.

“Australia needs real options. Policy settings can be changed. It is a question of scientifically sound engineering, and economics and practicality.”

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/leading-scientist-warns-australias-unstable-power-grid-will-spark-blackouts-and-forced-mass-outages/news-story/729b39331b2fc2b7778937a07e07d770

I wonder whether he will get a lucid answer.

Figures
Figures
December 22, 2023 4:15 pm

At last, Whybrow made the same point Rafiki recently made ie. Brucie denied any sex with the Hog because there was NO possibility that any forensic evidence could ever be found to contradict this.
Because he, and only he, knew that this was true.

Hey! I made that point!

But yes. It’s the killer blow.

Or at least it should be.

Robert Sewell
December 22, 2023 4:17 pm

Johnny Rotten:

The Jabs/Boosters don’t work. I’ve never had them and have never had the virus (not that I know of as I never had any of those stupid tests). My Immune System given to me by Mother Nature and my ancestors (the lovely English) works quite well along with the red wine, white wine, whisky, gin, vodka, port, rum, beer, cider and good food.

Despite multiple efforts by the transplant team, I’ve refused the so called Vaccine. So despite being immunicompromised, I reckon the best way to go is to catch the damned thing yourself.
I notice that your treatments don’t include XXXX Bitter.
You’re gonna die. Substitution will only get you so far.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 4:21 pm

No, I don’t think there was either. What amazes me is the weight attributed to casual intercourse by all and sundry, when in the vast majority of cases it has as much significance as a daily dump.

You only have to spend a millisecond on X or the Gram to know it…or be caught as an unwilling eavesdropper in a ladies’ loo.

I still think the shiftiness is all about drugs. Now that’s a serious matter. And, curiously, the powers that be don’t want to go there. Probably because of the many…many cans of worms and their own guilt.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 4:23 pm

Medical update on my wasp-stung hand. It now resembles a half loaf rather than a roll. Fortunately I was able to take my wedding ring off before it ballooned.

I’m footloose and fancy free! 😀

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 22, 2023 4:24 pm

Challenge Clementine Ford’s hatred and this is what you get

Vindictive bullying is a hallmark of the followers of a cruel new wave of white, forty-something mummy influencers like Clementine Ford. After reviewing her book on marriage, I’ve learnt a lesson.
By Antonella Gambotto-Burke

Rest of the comment in moderation.

Dot
Dot
December 22, 2023 4:25 pm

That is Dutton’s acceptance speech when he takes over in 2025.

You are a dreamer, this is bordering on delusional.

You (Martin Armstrong) taught me more in one post than I learned in 4 years of economics class.

If someone does a BEc + Hons/MEc/MBA and needs to listen to a guy with fake forecasts, a fake AI supercomputer, billion-dollar fraud convictions and piss-poor potted histories of European monetary and legal systems, they probably need a bullet, the poor dears.

cohenite
December 22, 2023 4:27 pm

rosie
Dec 22, 2023 12:54 PM
South of France is pretty mild in winter.

Brittleknees will cope. She looks like a brown bear that has been gorging itself in preparation for hibernation. She’s well insulated.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
December 22, 2023 4:28 pm

If the faceless Labor peoples put a spear thru Albo in the New Year the $275 election promise is buried with him. So in the end the election only cost Labor $275 which they never had to deliver.

Seasons greetings.

Vicki
Vicki
December 22, 2023 4:29 pm

Despite multiple efforts by the transplant team, I’ve refused the so called Vaccine. So despite being immunicompromised, I reckon the best way to go is to catch the damned thing yourself.

Relieved to hear that both you guys have not been vaccinated & have not had Covid – or it has been so mild you didn’t know. All good.

On the other hand, be well prepared if you do get the latest strain – which is quite a heavy cold which the body seems to know is not “quite right” & battles rather fiercely.

Husband & I both had the new strain a few months ago. RAT tests showed negative – so we just treated it as a cold. It became rather depleting – & we found via PCR it was Covid. Wished we had known earlier -as we would have treated it differently with Quercetin/aspirin/ anti-histamines & higher Vits C & D3. Might also have administered some Ivermectin. This may or may not have made much difference. But who knows. This latest strain does “linger” as the treating doctor cautioned – & she was right – we are just seeing the occasional irritating cough subside after months.

However, we stand by our decision not to be vaccinated. The “vaccines” have shown not to prevent infection, or prevent transmission. Medicos cling to the claim that they prevent severe symptoms, but I have known recent cases (vaccinated) who also suffered a nasty effect – including hospitalisation.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 4:30 pm

The nice thing about Bergerac, apart from its historic appeal, is the direct flight to London City Airport a couple of times a week.

The bright lights are only an hour and a half away.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 4:31 pm

JC
Dec 22, 2023 4:06 PM

Dickhead. As soon as you see the words Martin Armstrong, you go off into a spastic spasm. The NDIS has treatments for sufferers like you. But maybe they won’t work for you. Too far gone apparently. Reminds me of another poster here who is no more. “A suitable Case for Treatment”. Head Case no less.

Martin Armstrong
Martin Armstrong
Martin Armstrong
Martin Armstrong…………..Oh dear.

You are the one who starts all the “Argy Bargy” here. Just ask all the others that you start arguments with. Just cos’ you cannot stand ‘Freedom of Speech’.

And you think that paying $300 a year (or maybe not a year) gives you a front seat at the table. Cheapskate. And a Fat Arse and Fat Head and Big Nose too. Short Arse as well.

Go to NYC and stay there.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 22, 2023 4:32 pm

Gilas

Dec 22, 2023 3:57 PM

At last, Whybrow made the same point Rafiki recently made ie. Brucie denied any sex with the Hog because there was NO possibility that any forensic evidence could ever be found to contradict this.
Because he, and only he, knew that this was true.

Yes, that is putting the house on a single number on the roulette wheel. If any evidence of sexual contact was to pop up he would be goneski.
I didn’t hear Richardson but I felt Whybrow was a bit clunky.
When he was trying to draw out the “creeping assumption” of wape, and the delays before even the slightest allegation was hinted at, followed by the ever-changing but increasingly strident allegations as time went by (and the incentives for Britnah grew), he ran up a few blind alleys.
Particularly relating to the wannabe boyfriend at the time (forget his name).

cohenite
December 22, 2023 4:33 pm

Johnny Rotten
Dec 22, 2023 4:14 PM
This is a letter sent to Airbus/Tennis Elbow by a distinguished Australian Scientist/Engineer –

Adi Paterson is the former chief of the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation and has written to Prime Minister Anthony Albanese demanding urgent action to keep the nation’s lights on.

Dear Prime Minister,

That’s an outstanding letter which will be ignored by these cretins running our country. There has to be consequences for their vandalism.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 4:37 pm

Particularly relating to the wannabe boyfriend at the time (forget his name).

Let’s just call him “Lucky”.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 4:37 pm

On the other hand, be well prepared if you do get the latest strain – which is quite a heavy cold which the body seems to know is not “quite right” & battles rather fiercely.

The last strain I had was a strained ankle.

All this Alarmism is so boring. Climate Change, Another Virus, An Asteroid on it’s way, End of the World, blah, blah blah……………………………

Enjoy every day as if it is your last. Turn off the TV and get outside walking and smell Mother Nature. It’s the Best Medicine.

Did my walk this morning and now drinking grapes.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 22, 2023 4:38 pm

Lysander at 3:27

My five cents…
I think both BL and BH are liars. So does Lee.

Undoubtedly. The bit I watched yesterday was a discussion around what inferences a judge may make from lies raised in evidence. More common in criminal matters. Lee J said he favoured his own judgement which raised a laugh.

Pogria
Pogria
December 22, 2023 4:40 pm

Hahaha “our” ABC is learning what it is like to be on the receiving end after they sacked that anti-semitic bint Latoof.

Well deserved.

will
will
December 22, 2023 4:41 pm

This is a letter sent to Airbus/Tennis Elbow by a distinguished Australian Scientist/Engineer –

He didn’t read it: “why should I?”

Chris
Chris
December 22, 2023 4:41 pm

I still think the shiftiness is all about drugs.

Its a satisfying explanation for the mutual shiftiness about intentions and both of them lying.
However, that is also true of a mutually intended or implied urgent bonk on the boss’s couch, which was prevented by sudden nausea from earlier refreshments and/or one party deciding not to proceed.

Ms Ho er Higgings then confects a story for personal advantage, probably motivated by malice because Bruce was insufficiently appreciative.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 22, 2023 4:46 pm

Justice Lee said making a five page judgement was “tempting” but conceded he thinks it’ll be quite longer.

I think if was Joe Blow and not on the 6pm news each night this is exactly what he would do. Cannot really do it in this case.

Vicki
Vicki
December 22, 2023 4:47 pm

Enjoy every day as if it is your last. Turn off the TV and get outside walking and smell Mother Nature. It’s the Best Medicine.

Oh yeah….I live most of my life in a valley “far from the maddening crowd” – lots & lots of fresh air…..walk around the property for about 40 minutes every day. Eat well, using fresh veggies from the garden etc etc …plus vitamin supplements etc etc

…….and still got the bloody virus (husband helped a coughing mate with a car problem). But very likely our healthy life style prevented any hospitalisation that we are hearing is occurring with this strain.

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 4:47 pm

Woddenhead

We still don’t know if you’re posting that deranged swill out of spite, that you actually believe the rot and or, if you’re hoping to be paid for promoting the fraud. I suspect it’s a combination of all three.

Despite the pretense through all the ticking you give yourself, I have yet to read one single positive comment about your Marty Flatulence. In fact people mock you for the simply reason that it’s fraudulent bilge. Also, you’re not exactly the most popular person here and for someone as dishonest and shady as you are, you’re in no position to claim a pedestal.

How bad you are? It’s ironic that when you’re not posting quotes or Marty, you actually come across as pretty stupid. Simplistic tosh.

And you think that paying $300 a year (or maybe not a year) gives you a front seat at the table. Cheapskate. And a Fat Arse and Fat Head and Big Nose too. Short Arse as well.

You accused the blog owner of cash for comment, you little limey crook. Now, go look for some Thai ladyboy big cock and piss off.

Go to NYC and stay there.

You ought to be deported.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 22, 2023 4:50 pm

Hahaha “our” ABC is learning what it is like to be on the receiving end after they sacked that anti-semitic bint Latoof.

Just like when the IPA threatened to blow the place up.

Lysander
Lysander
December 22, 2023 4:56 pm

Just cos its stuck in my head, I’m happy to share the love:

Feliz Navidad (dum dum dum dum dum)
Feliz Navidad…

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 22, 2023 5:00 pm

A nuclear submarine is never going to go close to the Red Sea.

Cassie of Sydney
December 22, 2023 5:03 pm

“Just like when the IPA threatened to blow the place up.”

Wasn’t the IPA, it was a piece in Quadrant.

Gabor
Gabor
December 22, 2023 5:03 pm

Medical update on my wasp-stung hand

Were they the European wasp variety?
I would seek medical advise.
Last summer I was stung by one of those and still have a small itchy swelling a year later, slowly receding.

Gabor
Gabor
December 22, 2023 5:05 pm

advise = advice

Robert Sewell
December 22, 2023 5:05 pm

MatrixTransform

Dec 22, 2023 3:30 PM
A nurse.
Don’t bother thanking me

thank you anyway

I realised that today when they suggested getting a good razor cos the hospital ones are rubbish
and had never really thought of it before
and then I though of John Donne’s No Man is an Island and not asking for whom the bell tolls
we’re all shaving a dying man when we can see ourselves in the mirror

I just reread the bit I wrote, MT and my deepest apologies. I’d forgotten your dad wad crook.
After the last couple of years of people slagging off at male nurses, I was too quick to misunderstand what you were saying.
Sorry.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 5:10 pm

Wasn’t the IPA, it was a piece in Quadrant.

Quite so. And we know who wrote it, the naughty fellow.

Bless his little cotton socks.

alwaysright
alwaysright
December 22, 2023 5:10 pm

I have been bitten by wasps.
They died.

I must be a toxic male.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 5:13 pm

No, Gabor, nothing so exotic. Just the ordinary Aussie paper wasp. They have been taking advantage of the dry weather and building in the orange tree.

I’m going to get them tomorrow, the rotters.

The old muddies are docile, I feel a bit guilty when I remove their little dwellings. I have no such feelings for the paper wasps.

MatrixTransform
December 22, 2023 5:13 pm

my deepest apologies. I’d forgotten your dad wad crook.

s’ok mate, don’t think twice about it. I figured there was a ‘disconnect’ somewhere

today is probably his last

let’s just say, he’s comfortable

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 22, 2023 5:15 pm

WRT to the self-imposed exile of Britnah and Sharaz.
A total non-event.
Following the path trod by Ginger and Whinger, they are now at the “moving to Canada for privacy” square on the board (having passed “Go!” approximately 12,500 times).
Maybe Britnah could stick it out for a year or two, but Dave still fancies himself as a mover and shaker. Sitting in a village in the back-blocks of France as the attention fades just will not do.
They will park their ample arses there hoovering up fromage until well after the Ten/Toad decision is delivered, and probably until other defamation actions are dealt with.
Then they will “slip quietly” back into Australia. By “slip quietly”, I mean sell their return story to a media outlet and be met by a full film crew.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 5:16 pm

Matrix, I am so sorry. Tough gig, be strong.

MatrixTransform
December 22, 2023 5:18 pm

just keep going forward even if it’s only millimetres at a time

missed yr message Calli

thank you

it’s been a big day

bons
bons
December 22, 2023 5:19 pm

I like others here have given up on charities, or so I thought.

A quick audit was a surprise: Legacy, Vietnam Vets, the local dog home, Bettina, two minor political parties, the North Queensland separatist mob (forgotten their name), Rural Families, the bush kids holidays outfit, and rural mental health. Oh and various commo outfits based in Canberra, Brisbane, Gaza and New York (non-voluntary).

I was always a keen supporter of the CFS/RFS, but when the metropolitan firery unions took over, that support ended.

I remain truely saddened by what the progressive scum have done to the once wonderful, humble, non-judgemental Salvos who were always there to help. A loved cultural icon trashed. F’em.

Gilas
Gilas
December 22, 2023 5:21 pm

Trial now adjourned for possible extra submissions on 22 January.
Lee to start writing tomorrow.

Again, Chrysanthou was a cyclone this afternoon. Aggressive, sharp, precise.
Banter and argument with Lee was entertaining. It should be televised.
Maybe a better option.. they should get a room.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 22, 2023 5:21 pm

I still have my patented wasp commando outfit.
Long rubber gloves.
Long sleeved flanny shirt.
Elastic bands to secure sleeves and trouser legs to prevent wasp ingress.
Broad brimmed hat.
Netting to hang over hat and secure around chest.
Torch.
Red cellophane.
Killer dust.
OK, it isn’t the most elegant PPE going, but it works.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 22, 2023 5:22 pm

Dover

“Escalation ladder” is soooo Henry Kissinger.

Chris
Chris
December 22, 2023 5:23 pm

today is probably his last

let’s just say, he’s comfortable

Just keep doing the next right thing as you can, MatrixT.
Its all we can do.
Having been lucky enough to be there for the birth of each of our children, and the death of both of my parents, I extend my imperfect sympathies.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 22, 2023 5:26 pm

They would love an outbreak of social violence they could hang on the “far-right” to bring in Marshal Law

There was a travelling troubadour who was fond of that phrase, and apparently unaware Marshall Law was a TV series starring Lisa McCune in 2002.

The Bungonia Bee
The Bungonia Bee
December 22, 2023 5:28 pm

The DailyTelegraph:
“Women across Australia, including a string of celebrities, are finding love with each other after decades of dating men. See why. ”

Yeah, right. Many of us would buy tickets for that, but it dodges the big male/female issue as we age.

Women become less interested or uninterested in sex once they have (i) had their children and (ii) gone post-menopausal.

What are men aged 50+ supposed to do next? Go for other men, since they are the only ones who want sex as much as they do? Or go for the younger woman – some chance! – and start a second family? Madness.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 22, 2023 5:29 pm

Matrix:

A shit state of affairs. I hope it goes as well as it can.

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 5:30 pm

Angola says, screw OPEC.

The limits of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries’ ability to squeeze the global oil market are being put in relief.

Angola, one of Africa’s biggest oil producers, is leaving the cartel because it doesn’t want to comply with its demand to lower output to 1.1 million barrels of oil a day, Reuters reported Thursday. The Wall Street Journal also reported the departure, citing the local news agency Angop.

OPEC wasn’t immediately available for comment, the Journal said.

Angola accounts for only a fraction of the more than 30 million barrels a day that OPEC members produce, and even less of the nearly 100 million barrels a day in global output. Nevertheless, the country’s exit shows the strains OPEC is under as it tries to prop up global oil prices, which have dropped some 9% this year.

OPEC resolved recently to extend production cuts into next year. Saudi Arabia, the world’s third-biggest oil producer at about 9 million barrels a day, is voluntarily reducing output on top of OPEC cuts. So is Russia, which produces about 9.5 million barrels a day. Russia isn’t an official member of OPEC, but works with the so-called OPEC+ group of countries.

The dispute over limiting output exposes a tension for countries that rely on energy exports for national income. All benefit from higher prices, but to maximize revenue, they have to keep production high. Higher production, however, increases global supply and pushes oil prices down.

Thus, any big run up in global oil prices, such as the one that happened after Russia invaded Ukraine last year, will carry the seeds of its own destruction. High prices give companies and countries an incentive to bring more oil to market.

The US caused this is a swing producer.

OPEC’s efforts to keep prices higher have also been undermined by more U.S. production. U.S. output has climbed to almost 13 million barrels a day, making it the biggest producer in the world and a net exporter of crude.

It isn’t unheard of for countries to leave OPEC. Ecuador was the more recent one to do it when it left in 2020, and Qatar dropped out the year before. When Angola leaves, the group will be left with 12 formal members.

Cassie of Sydney
December 22, 2023 5:32 pm

A quick audit was a surprise: Legacy, Vietnam Vets, the local dog home, Bettina, two minor political parties, the North Queensland separatist mob (forgotten their name), Rural Families, the bush kids holidays outfit, and rural mental health. Oh and various commo outfits based in Canberra, Brisbane, Gaza and New York (non-voluntary).

I am very careful about my charities. At the moment I give to two different animal charities, a children’s humour charity (they go into hospitals to entertain sick children), the local branch of Magen David Adom and an Israeli charity called Zaka.

‘Zaka was founded in 1995, and is Israel’s dominant non-governmental rescue and recovery organization, with over 3,000 volunteers deployed around the country, on call 24/7 to respond to any terror attack, disaster or accident immediately, professionally and with the necessary equipment. ZAKA, a civilian volunteer organization with sole responsibility in Israel for dealing with incidents of unnatural death, works in close cooperation with all the emergency services and security forces.

Honoring the dead is considered an act of Chesed Shel Emes (true virtue). In Judaism, this is considered the greatest mitzva (good deed) that can be performed, because the recipient has no way of repaying the kindness.”

ZAKA (the Hebrew acronym for Disaster Victim Identification) became an official volunteer organization in 1995 and has grown organically over the last two decades, finding the best solutions to the operational needs as the scope of the volunteering work increases.

It was Zaka volunteers, most of whom are religious Jews, who followed the IDF into southern Israel on the evening of 7 October 2023, and then spent the following hours, days and weeks collecting bodies of the dead, combing through burnt out homes and shelters to find bones, limbs, heads, and torsos of dead men, women and children.

Every body part will be treated with the utmost respect and buried in accordance with Jewish law.

I’ll just reiterate, there is NO comparison between the morality of Israel and the IDF compared to the Nazi human garbage in Gaza.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 5:33 pm

Civilians Always Die in War – War is Hell

COMMENT: You overlook all the civilians being killed in Ukraine and in Palestine.

LS

ANSWER: As they say, history is written by the victor. I do not know what planet you are from, but I have said MANY times that typically, an equal amount or more civilians die in war than soldiers. It does not matter what war you want to talk about. How many millions of Vietnamese died? How many Iraqis died to get one man? The American Civil War using census data, the demographic historian Dr. J. David Hacker published “A Census-Based Count of Civil War Dead” in the scholarly quarterly Civil War History, reported a more accurate estimate of Civil War deaths is about 750,000, with as many as 850,000 dead. This is based on the census data – not death on the battlefield. The civilian deaths were most likely in the neighborhood of 200,000+ dead.

Civilians ALWAYS die in war. It is estimated that over 200,000 died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Starting a war with Russia will result in countless civilian deaths and the destruction of most of the monuments of Europe. All of this for what?

I am sure you have never heard of the Dresden Massacre carried out by the Allies that killed an estimated 250,000 German civilians. Japan overshadowed Dresden in August 1945. Some accounts claimed 500,000 civilians died in Dresden. About 600,000 refugees from the had hidden in Dresen, joining an estimated 600,000 inhabitants. After the waves of bombers had passed in the night, they dropped phosphorus bombs on Dresden, which burned people alive.

Then, in daylight, low-flying aircraft mowed down visible survivors running in the streets. The Western press did not report the civilian massacre, just that 8,000 aircraft flew to destroy Dresden with 3,000 bombers. The phosphorus bombs were dropped on Dresden without any regard for civilians since they were Germans who deserved death for being born German. It was akin to the dropping of Napalm (liquid fire) on Vietnam, burning civilians alive then as well.

During the American Civil War, General Sherman told his Troops at Vicksburg – War is hell.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/civilian-always-die-in-war-war-is-hell/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

cohenite
December 22, 2023 5:38 pm
Gilas
Gilas
December 22, 2023 5:39 pm

Figures
Dec 22, 2023 4:15 PM

Hey! I made that point!

Sorry Figures, it’s the “f” in both monikers wot did it.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 5:39 pm

Sancho, the wasps are the insect arm of the Spanish Inquisition.

No one ever expects them. Not even me.

cohenite
December 22, 2023 5:42 pm

This should be tattooed on turtles cranium:

We don’t need to hypothesize. Government data disprove the Treasury’s contention and demonstrate that increasing deployment of renewable capacity reduces the productivity of Britain’s grid. In 2009, 87.3 gigawatts (GW) of generating capacity, comprising only 5.1 percent of wind and solar, generated 376.8 terrawatt hours (TWh) of electricity. In 2020, 100.9 GW of generating capacity, with wind and solar accounting for 37.6 percent of capacity, produced 312.3 TWh of electricity. Thanks to renewables, 13.6 GW (15.6 percent) more generating capacity produced 64.5 TWh (17.1 percent) less electricity.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 5:42 pm

What are men aged 50+ supposed to do next?

Go to Asia. And get a hot woman who will look after you.

Junior Cretin will get a Thai Lady Boy. LOL.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 22, 2023 5:48 pm

Speaking of people having worse days than me:

Back in D-Town, after enduring Brisbane Airport earlier today. Just before I left the mower died and the TV died. While in Brisvegas the iPad carked it along with work email access (costing me tomorrow or Sunday in the office), and I found out yesterday there’s a four-figure plumbing bill coming for a major leak about three feet away from the meter that services mine and the neighbour’s places.

Got home. The joint’s a shitfight. Crap everywhere. Nothing in the fridge. A list of minor things I had asked my son and heir to do were undone, and having allowed him to borrow my ute on the proviso that the key was on the bench when I got back – well, no key, and zero chance of getting it until later tonight. Also, the Focks box and remote are buggered.

However – after I posted from the airport, and just before I boarded for home I realised that of the thousands and thousands of people going through that airport, and as horrifying as some of those people may be, at least 100 of those people would have had a relative killed in a car or industrial accident in the last six months, or that would have at least one seat at Monday’s table empty due to various medical events.

I’m doing okay. I don’t dig Christmas nearly as much as some posters on this august journal of record, but I get it.

Condolences to all with empty seats at the table this year. There may be another one at my place if my idiot child doesn’t pull his finger out.

Delta A
Delta A
December 22, 2023 5:49 pm

today is probably his last

Sorry to hear that, Matrix. It is, for many reasons, a difficult time and one which, in the scheme of natural existence, all children must face.

I’m sure your great sense of humour will help see you through.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 22, 2023 5:51 pm

Regarding Justice Lee’s expressed preference for brief judgements, he is taking the piss.
Like his Christmas card list, he will take extra care not to miss anyone.
I note someone upthread saying that, if this was Joe Nobody, the judgement would be short and sharp.
However, this is an opportunity not so much to set precedent, as to remind people about sub judice and the presumption of innocence.
I hope he takes it.
I also read a level of consternation about privilege being claimed over legal advice.
No biggie.
It doesn’t disqualify Lee from examining matters over which privileged legal advice has been claimed.
He has given fair warning.
Ten and Toad can cough up the advice which he can consider in delivering judgement.
Or not.
In which case he will look at outcomes and draw a conclusion. He had already touched on the “advice” around the Loggies speech.
Whether it was poor advice, or good advice ignored, or freelancing without advice is moot.
The end result was an attempt by a witness in a criminal trial to tip the scales.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 22, 2023 5:54 pm

calli

Dec 22, 2023 5:39 PM

Sancho, the wasps are the insect arm of the Spanish Inquisition.

No one ever expects them. Not even me.

It’s an O Dark Early op.
Get ’em while they’re sleeping.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 5:57 pm

You ought to be deported.

LOL. After 47 and a half years of living here and after being invited in and paying shed loads of taxes, how about deporting all of the rag head free loaders who are causing all of the problems here now and who have contributed SFA to this Great Nation.

And who let them in? Dopes like you probably.

P*ss off back to NYC and make Australia a far better place. Go to the southern border of the USA and welcome in the riff raff. Tosser.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 22, 2023 5:57 pm

Wasn’t the IPA, it was a piece in Quadrant.

Lucky I don’t do this for a living.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 22, 2023 5:59 pm

During the American Civil War, General Sherman told his Troops at Vicksburg – War is hell.”

The original quote was “War is all cruelty, and you cannot refine it”, made during the occupation of Atlanta. The “War is hell” quote was made years after the Civil War, in a speech to the Michigan Military Academy.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 22, 2023 6:01 pm

Long rubber gloves.

Just like the Wallet Wizard. He looks like a good operator.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
December 22, 2023 6:01 pm

Tipping in America is out of control, and we’ve got to end it

Shouldn’t employers be picking up the difference?

Mitch Hedberg, the incredible comedian who died at just 37 of a drug overdose, used to tell a great joke about the silliness of modern life.

“I bought a doughnut the other day, and they gave me a receipt. I don’t need a receipt for a doughnut. I’ll just give you the money, you give me the doughnut. End of transaction. We don’t need to bring ink and paper into this. I just cannot imagine a scenario where I’d had to prove that I bought a doughnut. Some skeptical friend? ‘Don’t even act like I didn’t get that doughnut. I got the documentation right here!’”

Here’s another thing we don’t need to bring into the doughnut transaction: a tip.

I went into Dunkin’ Donuts the other day and got a cruller.

When the server rang it up, the screen gave me the option to leave a tip: 15%, 20% or 25%.

Now, I do feel bad that you’re working for minimum wage at a doughnut shop.

But it’s not my job to subsidize your employer’s low wages with my own money.

You just got the doughnut from … right over there, put it in a bag right here and gave it to me.

Is that really tip-worthy? The obvious answer is no.

Tipping in America is out of control.

With “tipflation,” we’re being asked to tip for doughnuts, car repairs, air-conditioning service — usually right in front of the person doing their job.

And now they want a tip even when I pick up takeout?

Restaurants are, of course, different. I’m sitting at your table for a couple of hours.

The person waiting on me is fulfilling my every wish, and that deserves a tip.

Or does it? In Europe, there’s no tipping (and don’t try to tip in Japan; they’ll get downright angry).

Plus, the wait staff is just doing their jobs. Shouldn’t their employer, which is making a fortune, pay them a living wage?

How did we get here? Elected lawmakers decided half a century ago that certain people who could potentially get a tip for their service could be paid a fraction of the minimum wage.

When I waited tables a thousand years ago, my restaurants paid us just 75 cents an hour. Somehow, they calculated that with tips, we’d all make the minimum wage.

The “tip minimum wage” was set at $2.13 in 1991. Guess what it is now? You got it, $2.13.

Of course, those workers rarely get health insurance, meaning that an infected toe could blow their life savings.

The U.S. is the only developed nation that exempts tipped workers from getting minimum wage. How is this sustainable?

The tipping epidemic increased dramatically at the height of the pandemic, when we were more than happy to drop 20% when someone delivered us food.

“The U.S. economy is more tip-reliant than it’s ever been,” Scheherazade Rehman, an economist and professor of international finance at George Washington University, recently told The Wall Street Journal.

“But there’s a growing sense that these requests are getting out of control and that corporate America is dumping the responsibility for employee pay onto the customer.”

Conservatives argue that small business, the backbone of America, can’t afford to pay their employees a living wage, or they’d go broke.

Well, here’s the thing: Don’t make me subsidize your employees. Charge me more — I may or not frequent your establishment based on your prices — but don’t tell me dinner is $35 and then say I have to pay $42 so I can pay your workers, too.

Saru Jayaraman, a labor advocate and director of the Food Labor Research Center at the University of California, Berkeley, gets it.

“Employers think they’re being smart by using tipping instead of raising wages,” she told the Journal.

“But really, they’re risking losing staff because it’s pissing consumers off, and the employees are the ones who have to deal with it.”

Americans have about had it

. A recent survey of 2,400 Americans found that 41% of respondents said businesses should pay their employees better rather than relying so heavily on tips.

And 60% of respondents want to do away with tipping altogether.

Where’s the tipping point? We’ll turn to one more comedian for the closer: the fictional character Dwight Schrute from “The Office.”

“Why tip someone for a job I’m capable of doing myself?

I can deliver food.

I can drive a taxi. I can, and do, cut my own hair.

I did, however, tip my urologist because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.”

For now, start clicking “no tip” — especially when you buy a doughnut or a cup of coffee. Dunkin’ Doughnuts and Starbucks can pay their employees more. Let’s make them do it.

Rabz
December 22, 2023 6:02 pm

Cats – the Wussia – ‘kraine contretemps …

Quite possibly the greatest disaster of this big fat staggeringly stupid Century.

Vigorously cheered on by various graduates of the Henry Kissinger Peace Academy™, such as the Greg Sheridani.

While overseen by Gen Buck Keane (Retd).

Not to mention enriching the almighty bottomless coffers of the military-industrial complex. 😕

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 6:02 pm

And who let them in? Dopes like you probably.

You should never have been allowed in.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 6:04 pm

This is Climate Change over thousands of years. But don’t tell the UN or all of those alleged Scientists. LOL.

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Zatara
Zatara
December 22, 2023 6:05 pm

NASA streamed 8K cat video over 18 million miles with a laser at 267 Mb/s — next transmission will come after traveling 2.2 billion miles

Cat video? Dear God, now the whole galaxy knows what twits we are. There are just some things we ought to keep between we humans.

Robert Sewell
December 22, 2023 6:05 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Dec 22, 2023 4:24 PM

Challenge Clementine Ford’s hatred and this is what you get
Vindictive bullying is a hallmark of the followers of a cruel new wave of white, forty-something mummy influencers like Clementine Ford. After reviewing her book on marriage, I’ve learnt a lesson.

If a man was to say something like that, he’d be arrested.

Chris
Chris
December 22, 2023 6:06 pm

Honoring the dead is considered an act of Chesed Shel Emes (true virtue). In Judaism, this is considered the greatest mitzva (good deed) that can be performed, because the recipient has no way of repaying the kindness.”

Cassie, when we were in Prague we went to the Old Jewish Cemetery and the Jewish Ceremonial Hall, where the exhibits and old paintings described the work of the charitable organisation that worked with the dying to prepare them for death, and then burial. I was very touched, it seemed those people lived such praiseworthy lives.
Then to the memorial synagogue with the walls painted with the names, so terribly many, of the Jews murdered by the Germans and their cronies.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 6:07 pm

You should never have been allowed in.

According to who?

Gough Witless was on the way out and Al Grasby (Mafioso shite) was a crook. Malcolm Fraser said, come on down Johnny. We love the Poms. LOL.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
December 22, 2023 6:09 pm

Thancho are you sure you’re not kitting yourself up for a mating ritual with Chlamydia Ford? Thats a lot of gear for wasps.

Rabz
December 22, 2023 6:10 pm

Oh, FFS, not again – I’ve blundered into yet another interminable dispute between JC and that Johnny Rotter …

Calm down the pair of you and enjoy some Miss Ellie … 🙂

Indolent
Indolent
December 22, 2023 6:15 pm
Zafiro
Zafiro
December 22, 2023 6:15 pm

Just watching the film ‘Malcolm’ on SBS World Movies.
One of the best and funniest Australian movies ever.

Indeed. I loved the John Hargreaves character.

I have consulted AFL Tables, and it must have been Saturday 15th June 1985.

Me and a couple of mates caught the train up from Geelong. Going to footy at Princes Park. Hawthorn vs. Collingwood.

Off at Spencer St Station etc. Started walking up Bourke St. Saw something happening up ahead. Then saw half a car, followed by half a car shoot across Bourke St.

Got up there and saw film crew type stuff. Asked etc? Malcolm.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 6:15 pm

JC
Dec 22, 2023 6:02 PM

Here’s Johnny. LOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lDgtW3Q1f0

Indolent
Indolent
December 22, 2023 6:16 pm
Vicki
Vicki
December 22, 2023 6:16 pm

I am sure you have never heard of the Dresden Massacre carried out by the Allies that killed an estimated 250,000 German civilians. Japan overshadowed Dresden in August 1945. Some accounts claimed 500,000 civilians died in Dresden. About 600,000 refugees from the had hidden in Dresen, joining an estimated 600,000 inhabitants. After the waves of bombers had passed in the night, they dropped phosphorus bombs on Dresden, which burned people alive.

I remind the self-righteous critics of the Israeli Gazan campaign of this. But they just”close down”.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 22, 2023 6:17 pm

So we’ve got Fraser’s Poms AND Fraser’s Lebs? Sounds about right.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 6:18 pm

Rabz
Dec 22, 2023 6:10 PM
Oh, FFS, not again – I’ve blundered into yet another interminable dispute between JC and that Johnny Rotter …

Pot calling the kettle black. You were belting into another poster over 6 months or so ago,

Chris
Chris
December 22, 2023 6:19 pm

It’s an O Dark Early op.
Get ’em while they’re sleeping.

Hell yes.
Gather intelligence, identify exactly how to access the nest, get the narrow jet wasp spray, and wait for sunset. After their evening clearing patrol, they will all be resting under the paper nest. Quietly approach and use a soft light to make sure you have them exactly spotted… then have at them. Its almost disappointing how easily resistance ceases if you hit them right.
Like IRA members launching an attack in front of fixed M60 GPMGs operated by the SAS, their days of terror are rapidly ended.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 6:20 pm

H B Bear
Dec 22, 2023 6:17 PM
So we’ve got Fraser’s Poms AND Fraser’s Lebs? Sounds about right.

And no Muslims.

Rabz
December 22, 2023 6:21 pm
Top Ender
Top Ender
December 22, 2023 6:22 pm

The Law cares more for the Victim than You #1 (esp. in Victoria):

…police happened to find him passed out in his car, with 30g of cocaine, thousands of dollars in cash and a mobile phone that told tales.

Now you’d think someone like Richards Gibson, with all his thievery and drug use, would be in for a legal hiding, especially after writing rap songs boasting of his crimes. But I gave you a spoiler alert: “Victoria”.

Yes, Richards Gibson was ordered to do 100 hours of unpaid community work and seek treatment, but no conviction was recorded against him.

Why? Because a conviction might mean he couldn’t keep living in Australia. We wouldn’t want to deport this nice man, would we?

Signal sent: every credit card thief, especially in New Zealand, should come to Victoria.

Herald-Sun

Rabz
December 22, 2023 6:23 pm

you were (allegedly) belting into another poster over 6 months or so ago

It was not that long ago, Squire.

And I make no apologies for doing so.

These things happen.

Top Ender
Top Ender
December 22, 2023 6:24 pm

The Law cares more for the Victim than You #2 (esp. in Victoria):

A 12-year-old girl charged with murder last month had gone missing from state care for more than a fortnight and was “significantly substance affected” when she allegedly stabbed a woman to death in Footscray.

Damning new details of the girl’s history — which the Department of Families, Fairness and Housing fought to keep secret — can now be revealed after a Supreme Court judge on Friday ruled it “inappropriate” to make a gag order.

The girl, who cannot be named, ran away from carers on average twice a week in the years before she allegedly killed a woman, 37, in the early hours of November 16.

The Supreme Court heard she’d run away 275 times in three years — often for “one to two” nights in a row.

The court also heard allegations that there were at least 10 reports of escalating violent behaviour made in the 20-months before her arrest by the Homicide Squad.

Those reports included allegedly holding up a shop with a knife in a bid to steal alcohol, carrying a knife in public, assaulting three people on separate occasions, stealing her carer’s car and throwing a stone through a resident’s window.

Herald-Sun

rosie
rosie
December 22, 2023 6:30 pm
Zafiro
Zafiro
December 22, 2023 6:30 pm

However – after I posted from the airport, and just before I boarded for home I realised that of the thousands and thousands of people going through that airport, and as horrifying as some of those people may be, at least 100 of those people would have had a relative killed in a car or industrial accident in the last six months, or that would have at least one seat at Monday’s table empty due to various medical events.

I’m doing okay. I don’t dig Christmas nearly as much as some posters on this august journal of record, but I get it.

Condolences to all with empty seats at the table this year.

Are you on the Ket, bro?

Rabz
December 22, 2023 6:30 pm

There are other fans of the Kanye here?

She take the Pol Dot’s muneee* …

*Trigger Warning: Scantily Clad Black Bimbages

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 6:35 pm

I am sure you have never heard of the Dresden Massacre carried out by the Allies that killed an estimated 250,000 German civilians. Japan overshadowed Dresden in August 1945. Some accounts claimed 500,000 civilians died in Dresden. About 600,000 refugees from the had hidden in Dresen, joining an estimated 600,000 inhabitants. After the waves of bombers had passed in the night, they dropped phosphorus bombs on Dresden, which burned people alive.

Let alone the Americans flattening Tokyo without an A Bomb.

Rabz
December 22, 2023 6:38 pm
John H.
John H.
December 22, 2023 6:40 pm

Vicki
Dec 22, 2023 6:16 PM
I am sure you have never heard of the Dresden Massacre carried out by the Allies that killed an estimated 250,000 German civilians. Japan overshadowed Dresden in August 1945. Some accounts claimed 500,000 civilians died in Dresden. About 600,000 refugees from the had hidden in Dresen, joining an estimated 600,000 inhabitants. After the waves of bombers had passed in the night, they dropped phosphorus bombs on Dresden, which burned people alive.

I remind the self-righteous critics of the Israeli Gazan campaign of this. But they just”close down”.

Harris and LeMay said if the allies lost they would have been charged with war crimes. Tens of Millions had Already died in WW2, the Germans at least had the potential to develop and A bomb and would have shared with Japan. Equating that with the loss of a few thousand in a localized conflict against an enemy has neither a navy or an air force and very limited ground capability is, to say the least, stretching it.

Cassie of Sydney
December 22, 2023 6:43 pm

Then to the memorial synagogue with the walls painted with the names, so terribly many, of the Jews murdered by the Germans and their cronies.”

There is a city in Northern Greece now called of Thessaloniki but it was once called Salonika. Until World War II the city had a majority Jewish population of around 60,000 people. It was a Jewish city. Salonika was renowned for its vibrant Sephardi culture, music and food, It was home to dozens of synagogues, many dating into antiquity, one of which was two thousand years old and may well have hosted Paul and other early Jewish Christians. All of this was destroyed by the Germans during World War II, apart from one synagogue that survived, only because it had been used as a warehouse by the Red Cross. And the Jews of Salonika? Ninety-five percent perished in Auschwitz.

One lone survivor of Auschwitz returned to Salonika and decided to stay, those few other Salonikan Jews who survived the death camps left for Israel. This man married another survivor and they had a family, a Jewish family. He then spent years after the war trying to reassemble a Jewish community in a city that had once been a vibrant Jewish city. He combed rubbish tips for Torah scrolls, he rebuilt the mikvah and the reopened the one surviving synagogue that had been used by the Red Cross during the German occupation.

This survivor’s family had been annihilated, over fifty of his closest relatives had been gassed and their ashes lost in the wind, the names of those murdered shall always be remembered. So, just as it is important to rebuild a synagogue, a mikvah and a yeshiva, there is something more important that we Jews are compelled to do, and that is to remember the dead, and to name the dead. This young man spent the next fifty years collecting the names of every Salonikan Jew who had been murdered in Auschwitz. And in the Jewish museum in the city of Thessaloniki, there is a memorial wall painted with the names of every Jewish man, woman and child murdered by the Germans during World War II.

Because you see, that’s what we Jews do, despite our history of persecution, mass murder, being butchered, slaughtered, raped and despite the carnage of 7 October 2023, we Jews survive and we Jews rebuild.

Rabz
December 22, 2023 6:44 pm
Rabz
December 22, 2023 6:56 pm

The inexplicable and inexcusable destruction of the Jewish peoples in WW2 would defy description if the monsters perpetrating it hadn’t been so obsessive as to take detailed records.

The nayzees. They remain the perfect villains.

However, there are those existing currently on this planet who would try and outdo them.

9/11 and October 7 2023 being just single incident efforts.

There might just be a common thread between the latter two.

As for what it might be, well you’re all intelligent carbon based lifeforms.

Top Ender
Top Ender
December 22, 2023 6:57 pm

Speaking of the Jewish situation, the new TV series A Small Light is worth watching.

Wiki: “The inspiring, real-life story of Miep Gies, who played a critical role in hiding Anne Frank and her family during the Nazi occupation in Amsterdam.”

The script is the main attraction – well written – and the historical detail is well done.

I just found Miep Gies autobiography online secondhand, and managed to get it in time for Mrs TE’s Xmas present – she likes biographies.

Going to give Filip a try tonight.

shatterzzz
December 22, 2023 7:00 pm

During the American Civil War, General Sherman told his Troops at Vicksburg – War is hell.”

Robert E Lee .. ” It is good that war is so horrible, or we might grow to like it.”
Battle of Fredricksburg, December 1862 ..

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 7:08 pm

Rabz
Dec 22, 2023 6:23 PM
you were (allegedly) belting into another poster over 6 months or so ago

It was not that long ago, Squire.

And I make no apologies for doing so.

These things happen.

I understand. So you can always scroll by if it is Junior Cretin and me. LOL.

Pogria
Pogria
December 22, 2023 7:15 pm

Matrix,
bless you and your Dad. You are indeed fortunate, as is he, to be there for him right now. Also, I am glad you shared with us. You know you are not alone. Many here care for you.

Johnny Rotten
December 22, 2023 7:18 pm

There is a city in Northern Greece now called of Thessaloniki but it was once called Salonika. Until World War II the city had a majority Jewish population of around 60,000 people. I

I have a very good friend here who is a Greek Jew. And his Mother owns a lovely Eatery in the Sydney CBD. She is in her late 70s and still working. They are Greek Orthodox as well. The house in Bellevue Hill is now worth $35 million. They have done very well by coming to Australia and working hard. Australia is a Great Country and is better for it with these people.

rosie
rosie
December 22, 2023 7:24 pm

Good to see you don’t resile from abusing someone on the basis of complete and utter lies, you underwhelming wanker.
Anyone that follows me on twitter can see see where I actually stood in relation to lockdowns, for those who confuse thinking the vaccine provided some protection against covid to supporting lockdowns and forced vaccines you poor pitiful me and world’s biggest sook.
I broke the lockdown rules in Melbourne ever single day from March 2020 onwards, including breaching the ring of steel and spending the night at my sister’s in the country.

Oh and yes, I’m getting the latest covid vaccine, before I go overseas in a couple of weeks.

calli
calli
December 22, 2023 7:33 pm

Rosie, whom did I scroll? Who is the wanker?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 22, 2023 7:36 pm

Are you on the Ket, bro?

No.

Champ.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 22, 2023 8:00 pm

Napalm Gaza, kill all 2 million of them. Is that your proposal?

This from the old fred, haven’t even read back thread on this one yet. Been out shopping and busy.

I’ve never said to flatten Gaza, I think what the IDF are doing there is good enough to make their point about Hamas and end the situation brewing since 2005 in Gaza, as long as they are left to get on with it.

My comment was about weakness re Yemen, which Robert Sewell agreed with but it was he who talked about glassing Gaza and/or Yemen, not me. My comment on Yemen is that there should have been an immediate taking out of rocket source areas in Yemen, with promise of more to come, as soon as these Red Sea incursions started, in order to send a distinct message. That horse bolted as soon as the US weak leadership wanted to chat around the Middle East rather than decisively act. Nevertheless, a few well-placed missiles on Yemeni land might still be instructive.

I’d do it.

Robert Sewell
December 22, 2023 8:02 pm

My only comment about the Dresden air raids – here. Unfortunately the Commissions report is in German. Someone may be able to translate or get google to do it.
25,000 dead civilians.

Robert Sewell
December 22, 2023 8:03 pm

Forgot the link….
Here:

Rabz
December 22, 2023 8:03 pm

you can always scroll by

Johnny – you have a good mate who is a good mate of my (not so) good self.

JC is a personage I’ve had some run ins with myself. Many moons ago.

Mainly when denouncing him as a Goose Springsteen Fan.

However, to his credit, he doesn’t lay into me even when I’m accusing him of being a soft ol’ hypochondriac …

For some reason. 😕

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 8:06 pm

The inexplicable and inexcusable destruction of the Jewish peoples in WW2 would defy description if the monsters perpetrating it hadn’t been so obsessive as to take detailed records.

The nayzees. They remain the perfect villains.

As has been said, numerous times, the lower ranks had serious misgivings about it and they tried to cover it up.

There’s no shame in Gaza about wanting to kill Jews. In fact junior calls his parents and informs they he’s killed 10 innocents. The parents are so giddy with pleasure they cry during the phone call. This is far beyond mental illness. Gaza has to be destroyed brick by brick and the residents never allowed to return.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 22, 2023 8:07 pm

Oh and yes, I’m getting the latest covid vaccine, before I go overseas in a couple of weeks.

I’m pretty much like you re the original vax and travel, Rosie, but neither Hairy nor I took any mRNA Pfizer vax ever, and still don’t want to, so we didn’t take any booster vax for our Italian trip and cruise in the Adriatic, Aegean or Med, and we won’t be taking any for South America for six weeks in March. (Novavax isn’t a booster and it gave me heart palpitations anyway). We’ve both had Covid in the past year and will rely on that. If you know already you don’t react badly to mRNA then I see why you might want to get some ‘additional’ protection. At this stage, we won’t chance it.

JC
JC
December 22, 2023 8:10 pm

JC is a personage I’ve had some run ins with myself. Many moons ago.

Really, like when?

Mainly when denouncing him as a Goose Springsteen Fan.

I like his music, but I also consider him to be an idiot in other things. Why would I care if you like him or not?

However, to his credit, he doesn’t lay into me even when I’m accusing him of being a soft ol’ hypochondriac …

Okay.

For some reason.

Wait if I hear you’re a Marty fan.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 22, 2023 8:11 pm

Gaza has to be destroyed brick by brick and the residents never allowed to return.

Dunno. It certainly can’t be let go riot again as it has done since 2005.

Some tight controls on law and order during any reconstruction will be required by Israel for any cessation of further flattening of the landscape. Filling of tunnels and re-education of the next generation will be an essential precondition to resettlement back by Gazans..

  1. Calling Dr Cat What is the effect of tube diameter and wall stiffness on home blood pressure monitors? Quick search…

  2. Temperatures in Palestine are increasing faster than the global average Lots of exploding bombs adding to the heat load…

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