Open Thread – Christmas Day 2023


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Pogria
Pogria
December 25, 2023 1:40 pm

Great to see you here MarreeS.
Best wishes for you and your own today.

Thanks everyone for giving descriptions of what you are all eating today. I love everything about food and cooking and really enjoy reading about what you have all been preparing.
I have a little ham in the oven being basted every twenty minutes with my favourite Maple and Mustard glaze. This year I have added a little sting to the glaze with a splash of Sriracha.

For those who haven’t cooked and have bought goodies prepared by someone else, you are brilliant. As I mentioned some time ago, I had a small baking business which would not have been as successful as it was if everyone did their own baking. The same goes for anyone whose livelihood depends on people buying food from them.
Cheers everyone! 😀

Jorge
Jorge
December 25, 2023 1:53 pm

As you gather round the dining table for lunch with your lefty cousins, get off on the right foot. Wear the t shirt that says “I’m unvaxxed and ready to talk politics at Christmas.”

Bluey
Bluey
December 25, 2023 2:06 pm

Driving the six hours to visit my old man for Christmas the roads are quiet, but people still can’t drive.
First prize for idiocy goes to the person who attempted to brake check me at 110 as I moved up to pass.
Looking very wet through VIC at the moment.
Old man in good health and opting for a quiet Christmas in, bar church service in the morning.
Merry Christmas everyone!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 2:22 pm

Wear the t shirt that says “I’m unvaxxed and ready to talk politics at Christmas.”

Wear the t shirt that says “Join the Army, go to exciting places, meet interesting people and kill them.”

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 25, 2023 2:25 pm

Albo reckons the Voice wasn’t a loss for him? It was one of the greatest humiliations ever handed to a PM and their government in living memory. He’s as clueless as when The Great Man stuck him in a corridor as an 18yo Trot.

Turnip
Turnip
December 25, 2023 2:28 pm

I dug out my “Let’s go Brandon” T shirt for Christmas lunch, hoping for some action.
None so far.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
December 25, 2023 2:36 pm

We’ve got a Trump 24 flag, so far one person has stopped and stared at it, and turned to me and said “That’s a joke right”. I said “No” with a big smile.

miltonf
miltonf
December 25, 2023 2:49 pm

The Great Man stuck him in a corridor as an 18yo Trot.

Mr Urine?

wivenhoe
wivenhoe
December 25, 2023 2:54 pm

Merry Christmas to all, espescially to Dover, thank you for all you do. Don’t comment often, but still hanging on as a long time lurker

wivenhoe
wivenhoe
December 25, 2023 2:55 pm

Oh dear, someday I will learn to spell stuff.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 2:55 pm

Albo reckons the Voice wasn’t a loss for him?

Albo has to put a brave face on the whole fiasco. Tanya Plibersek is standing behind him, deciding where she’ll plant the big knife.

wivenhoe
wivenhoe
December 25, 2023 2:57 pm

It.,s a c, Ken, get with the program.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 3:07 pm

greg craven greg craven
My Christmas gift to ‘Generation-Greed’: A dash of reality and a hint of perspective
2:46PM December 25, 2023
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Christmas is a time of love, joy and goodwill. Also, in its fuddle of hangovers, appalling family gatherings and insulting gifts, it’s the opportunity to nurse hatred, resentment and naked prejudice. I certainly do.

I’m 65. My body is disintegrating like a Qantas takeoff schedule. My relevance has fled like a serious reader from a Peter FitzSimons doorstopper.

The only consolation is my mind is deteriorating so fast I can’t take it all in.

So my deepest jealous loathing is for younger, fitter, bouncier generations. I contemplate them with a mixture of pure hate and eviscerating envy. Gen X, Y and Z, millennials and whatever an Alpha is, I wish you miserable lives punctuated with catastrophe.

A few plagues would be nice. The odd global conflagration directed by some bad-tempered AI robot would be amusing. An intense acceleration of climate change seems only just given your endless moaning on the subject.

Of course, it’s your fiscal whining on everything from house prices to the cost of living and the price of biodegradable, ethically sourced underpants that really purges the intestines. Don’t you understand? Nobody cares.

Or to put it another way, if we boomers – God, I hate that tired condescension – are rapidly dying out, it is only fair we leave your unrequited economic fantasies to haunt you like the ghost of Keating past. Your resentment is our joy.

It’s the low moaning over real estate that irks me most.

“We can’t buy a house.” “We’re excluded from the market.” “My mortgage is stifling my creativity.”

Listen, sonny. Yes, we bought our first house for a song, namely a tune from the darker recesses of Les Mis. And yes, it was in Brunswick. Or as it was called in those days, Obrunswick. As in: “Where do you live? Ohhhh, Brunswick?”

Our little slice of Hades was a predatory shack waiting to engulf us in its own collapse. It was indeed a funky terrace, but only in the sense that its wooden exoskeleton was held up only by the houses on either side.

And yes, the surrounding atmosphere was diverse and multicultural. Our first neighbours were regularly visited by family members escaping from Pentridge jail. Our second lot kept chickens in the kitchen and sacrificed sheep in their backyard. Really.

I do understand the personal violation inflicted on you by real estate tyranny.

You have a human right to live in Enmore. Those Uighurs should just stop complaining.

I know you have HECS debts from studying at university. You deserve them. We had to drudge through grim syllabuses in the law of contracts or structural engineering. You flitted your way through poverty law for the safely remote and postmodern physics.

No wonder your writing skills are like a self-help guide for narcissists from Newtown and your bridges fall down. You are the tinea of useful education.

Scott Morrison once said you should cut down on avocados to afford a house. How about eliminating aeroplanes from your diet? Most of you baby bludgers saw Paris before puberty and Rio during a primary school beach outing.

By bitter contrast, my wife and I first went overseas when we were 33. We packed two children under 10 and a six-month-old baby. Between shrill insubordination and projectile vomiting, the experience was a cross between a bad holiday vacation movie and The Exorcist.

One distressing reality is that Gen-Greed has developed its own entitled dialect to demand undeserved concessions and promote intergenerational guilt.

It is a doggerel patois mingling meaningless speech patterns drawn from every corporate human resources department, and the least profound pop psychology. As in “If you don’t buy me a car, Dad, I’ll feel really unsafe and gaslighted.”

When I told one of my professionally mendicant sons I was writing this, I received a sententious warning: “Don’t, Dad, my generation is really hurting, and lot of people will be triggered.” Dear God, I hope so.

You can plumb the intellectual depths of these generational malignants by visiting their favourite bookshops in Balmain or Carlton.

Those who are not permanently plugged into reality-cancelling headphones portentously read a melange of management porn for future jobs they will never get, fitness tomes they will never follow, and trite biographies of people who should never have been born. Think Katy Perry’s Guide to a Toned Midriff through Business Networking.

The politics of the generationally correct are as shallow as President Joe Biden’s memory. Forget a Labor Party moderately devoted to workers’ rights or a Coalition vaguely in favour of small business. Just so bourgeois and unimpactful.

Instead, alphabeticals and millennials gambol around the Australian Greens. They particularly enjoy the Greens’ messianic focus on climate change. It is the perfect issue for the generationally motivated because they cannot be held responsible for it and there really is nothing practical they can do about it. Nice lack of work if you can get it.

But the defining feature of the generationally enhanced is their loathing for their parents and their determination that the old folks should die quickly so the loot can be distributed.

These days, when some feckless 40-year-old gazes into their mother’s eyes, it is not love you see. It’s the steely gaze of an open cash register.

It’s not so much the fact they want you to die that gets you. It’s that they want it to happen so damn quickly. Many elderly Australians are being measured for their coffins before their wheelchairs.

Of course, in the meantime, there is the so-called Bank of Mum and Dad. This sounds like some sweet exercise in intergenerational co-operation but actually is a black market where ageing brats exchange their unearned longings for their parents’ hard-earned cash.

It’s the greatest extravaganza of rapacity since Alaric the Goth sacked Rome. Just made worse because the slaughtering hordes are your own children.

In fairness, though, I don’t want to unfairly malign subsequent generations. It’s just that they are shallow, grasping, uncaring and homicidally entitled.

Beyond these slight drawbacks, they’re as cuddly as funnel-web spiders.

dopey
dopey
December 25, 2023 3:14 pm

Merry Christmas to all Greens MPs and Greens everywhere. May they survive Christmas Day and rise tomorrow with all their hatreds intact.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 25, 2023 3:25 pm

In fairness, though, I don’t want to unfairly malign subsequent generations. It’s just that they are shallow, grasping, uncaring and homicidally entitled.

The reason there’s more of them than boomers is because you need more to make up a dozen.

John Brumble
John Brumble
December 25, 2023 4:06 pm

Love these “break check” whingers outing themselves for driving dangerously. If you weren’t following too closely, Bluey, said “break check” would not have had any impact.” A “break check” could just as easily be a kangaroo, pedestrian or even spider falling from the sun shade.

Now, “cutting off” is another story, but if i have one more clueless w@nker up my rear end, endangering the lives of my children in the back seat this holiday period, there’s going to be trouble.

But it’s ok because entitled.

Pogria
Pogria
December 25, 2023 4:14 pm

Big storm starting here in the Southern Tablelands. Older dogs hiding, puppies not noticing! Forecast has damaging winds, large hail heavy rain. Yikes! Say an extra prayer for me please Cats and Kittehs.
I don’t get my weather report from the BOM, so the forecast is more than likely to be right.
Thank God and Man for generators.

Pogria
Pogria
December 25, 2023 4:22 pm
Gabor
Gabor
December 25, 2023 4:24 pm

Pogria
Dec 25, 2023 4:14 PM

Hail is a problem, hope you avoid it.
We had to replace the whole roof and write of one of the cars, years ago.

mareeS
mareeS
December 25, 2023 4:31 pm

Greg Craven, hilarious spray. May he live to be 110 in rude good health, just to spite his children.

Fortunately, ours are OK, not eyeing off the family silver, they’re earning enough in mining and services to leave us unmolested.

They’re great company today, happily wining and dining their father into an early snooze while I take a WEB from mum duties.

Black Ball
Black Ball
December 25, 2023 4:55 pm

Power hit and miss now, a period of supply from midday cut half an hour ago. On and off but that doesn’t matter right now. Time for a few drinks.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
December 25, 2023 5:04 pm

They continue to show their true colours by interrupting Carols by Candlelight.

Pogria
Pogria
December 25, 2023 5:06 pm

Gabor,
the worst of the storm seems to have gone around me, thank God. Although the power did go out. As I said earlier, thank God for generators. Mine kicks in automatically in less than ten seconds.

re, the hail, I lived in a rental many years ago when hail the size of tennis balls hit. The house had a Fibro roof! Straight through. The landlord wasn’t impressed at having to replace the whole roof. I have photos of the hailstones in the palms of my hands to prove how big they were. Scary time.

Chris
Chris
December 25, 2023 5:06 pm

mareeS… I dont suppose you know where Wronright hid the Akkadian mead?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 5:15 pm

JUST IN: The IDF has begun construction of a 1-kilometer buffer zone along the entire Israel-Gaza border (on the Gazan side). Only Israeli soldiers will be allowed in

Does that mean citizens from Gaza will no longer be allowed to work in Israel?

mareeS
mareeS
December 25, 2023 5:20 pm

Aah, the Sumerian mead…no, sorry, best I can do is some One Nation rum that I bought for spouse and son. I haven’t handed it over, yet.

cohenite
December 25, 2023 5:20 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Dec 25, 2023 3:07 PM
greg craven greg craven
My Christmas gift to ‘Generation-Greed’: A dash of reality and a hint of perspective
2:46PM December 25, 2023
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Mildly amusing but redundant. There are only 2 reactions to the spoilt gens/left generally: screaming and/or bashing.

cohenite
December 25, 2023 5:25 pm

On this special day some whacky islam:

‘Sydney Gay And Lesbian Mardi Gras’ calls for ceasefire, wants Hamas alive so its members can enjoy Sharia (great photo of hamas throwing a queer for palestine off a roof)

UK: Muslim husband tried to murder his estranged wife in knife attack outside family court to ‘teach her a lesson’

Duuuuude! Biden Regime Pardons Marijuana Use Nationwide (featuring a young obama lighting up)

bons
bons
December 25, 2023 5:29 pm

The Liars Christmas greetings photo requires no comment:

Albanese – the ideological grand nephew of Neville Chamberlain

Wong – the commo dyke hypocrite who rages about colonialism but ignores the fact that her forebears colonised and exploited Sabah

Marles – “of course I’ll spend your money as I choose, what’s it got to do with you”.

A truely inspirational nativity scene.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 25, 2023 5:31 pm

What did Adam say on the day before Christmas? It’s Christmas, Eve!

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 25, 2023 5:32 pm

What happened to the man who stole an Advent Calendar? He got 25 days!

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 25, 2023 5:34 pm

I will honor Christmas in my heart, and try to keep it all the year.

– Charles Dickens

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 5:37 pm

Albanese – the ideological grand nephew of Neville Chamberlain

Neville Chamberlain didn’t have much choice. Popular opinion in Britain was bitterly opposed to war, the British Army wasn’t equipped to fight a war on the Continent, the Royal Air Force was approaching block obsolesce, and the Dominions wouldn’t have fought. Albo’s “appeasement” is based on sheer, craven, cowardice.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 25, 2023 5:45 pm

The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live.

– George Carlin

rosie
rosie
December 25, 2023 5:46 pm

Found out today someone I know had several hundred thousand dollars stolen from his bank account.
Fell for a fake sms message, rang the number provided, they already had his personal information which he confirmed, then bleed his account dry with a series of under 10k transactions til it was empty.
The particular bank apparently had no mechanism in place to put a stop on what were obvious suspicion transactions.
Not sure if he will get any of it back.
My advice.
Never ever respond to unsolicited email or text messages from your bank.
Ring their 13 number or visit a branch if you get such a message.

shatterzzz
December 25, 2023 5:49 pm

Does that mean citizens from Gaza will no longer be allowed to work in Israel?

memory serves that was decided very early in the follow-up ……!
No work, no help re-building, no access to/from Israel at all ……. could change, of course, but that was the official line week 2 …….

miltonf
miltonf
December 25, 2023 5:56 pm

Albanese – the ideological grand nephew of Neville Chamberlain

Rubbish- Chamberlain meant well. Anal doesn’t.

Roger
Roger
December 25, 2023 6:16 pm

Albanese – the ideological grand nephew of Neville Chamberlain

Say what you will about Chamberlain, but he wasn’t a perfidious Trot.

Drax
Drax
December 25, 2023 6:16 pm

By bitter contrast, my wife and I first went overseas when we were 33.

I had my 19th on a ship passing through the Suez Canal. Unfortunately a troop ship (HMTS Empire Fowey). Two years followed in the S*H* of Aden, but I did get to visit Pakistan and Kenya: an introduction life beyond the Old Dart which encouraged me to travel further.

Happy Christmas to all Cats & lurkers and here’s hoping for a more conservative 2024.

Drax
Drax
December 25, 2023 6:23 pm

Whoops. Sorry for the bold. I’m using sight-impaired settings.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 25, 2023 6:28 pm

Say what you will about Chamberlain, but he wasn’t a perfidious Trot.

Chamberlain was fond of a massage though.

Apparently.

Roger
Roger
December 25, 2023 6:28 pm

The IDF has begun construction of a 1-kilometer buffer zone along the entire Israel-Gaza border (on the Gazan side).

The Egyptians did the same about a decade ago after attacks on their soldiers.

Roger
Roger
December 25, 2023 6:39 pm

Whoops. Sorry for the bold. I’m using sight-impaired settings.

SAY AGAIN…I CAN’T HEAR YOU!

[insert laughing emoji here.]

bons
bons
December 25, 2023 6:41 pm

Miltonf, we need to disagree regarding Chamberlain.

Revisionist historians have portrayed him as a slightly eccentric, well meaning, speak from the heart, everyone’s grandad, who held the nation’s interests as his exclusive motivation, but was diped by evil forces.

None of that is true. Churchill’s interpretation is the accurate one. Chamberlain was a political thug representing an aristocratic/finance/landholding class whose overwhelming motivation was the preservation of their wealth and priveldge. If selling out British values and allies interests was the cost of achieving that aim, then so be it. He was the complete opposite of his father who actually possessed a moral base.

There is an accurate contemporary comparison for Chamberlain – the ‘remainers’.

calli
calli
December 25, 2023 6:45 pm

Just home from Sydney – perfect Christmas Day with children and grandchildren. No arguments, apart from who was to commandeer the latest Playstation game, serenaded by grandson who is an excellent guitarist, lots of good food, fun and mucking about.

A bit of worrisome commentary about Gaza and possible trouble in Sydney which cast a momentary shadow. But nothing…nothing beats a family standing shoulder to shoulder against all comers.

No food coma for us. We had to drive home.

calli
calli
December 25, 2023 6:47 pm

I hope they put good foundations under that wall. Say, a kilometre deep.

Vicki
Vicki
December 25, 2023 6:52 pm

Wear the t shirt that says “Join the Army, go to exciting places, meet interesting people and kill them.”

Zulu, the one daring and foolish statement I ventured after Christmas lunch was , “I think we should bring back “National Service”. No pushback from the millennial 20+ year old boys. In fact, one of their number is an enlisted young man who boards with them & is also doing a degree at their university.

But woke, corporate “X-er” son-in-law shot back really quickly – “You mean all that bullying will be good for them?” – or words to that effect. I often find that the
“X’ers” harbour more resentment than their kids.

In the interests of Christmas, I did not reply.

miltonf
miltonf
December 25, 2023 6:52 pm

Chamberlain was a political thug representing an aristocratic/finance/landholding class whose overwhelming motivation was the preservation of their wealth and priveldge. If selling out British values and allies interests was the cost of achieving that aim, then so be it. He was the complete opposite of his father who actually possessed a moral base.

Ok Bons- never looked at it from that perspective. I am certainly not fond of the British aristocratic/finance/landholding class of which I regard the current king as a prime example. Her Maj would have been too of course but she knew how to avoid rubbing people up the wrong way. But still who the hell would have wanted another war just 20 years after the horror of WWI.

miltonf
miltonf
December 25, 2023 6:54 pm

I would have thought Churchill was part of the aristocratic/finance/landholding class too. I’ve never liked his attitude to Australia either.

Roger
Roger
December 25, 2023 6:55 pm

A bit of worrisome commentary about Gaza and possible trouble in Sydney which cast a momentary shadow.

From Gaza to Sydney; that’s a long shadow.

Vicki
Vicki
December 25, 2023 6:57 pm

Just home from Sydney – perfect Christmas Day with children and grandchildren. No arguments, apart from who was to commandeer the latest Playstation game, serenaded by grandson who is an excellent guitarist, lots of good food, fun and mucking about.

Same, Calli. Except for my momentary lapse in choice of topics, everything was excellent. Daughter excelled in presentation of lunch & the Christmas decorations. Even the dog was pleased to see us. But best of all was seeing, like you, the blossoming of the grandchildren into young men & women. Ours have had their ups and downs, but they made our hearts sing today.

Roger
Roger
December 25, 2023 7:03 pm

But still who the hell would have wanted another war just 20 years after the horror of WWI.

Chamberlain knew a war was coming, but he believed he had bought Britain and the empire crucial time to prepare.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
December 25, 2023 7:04 pm

Plasmamortar 12:23 25/12

Thanks – a lot better explanation than what I could find on line.

MatrixTransform
December 25, 2023 7:05 pm

Merry Christmas all

santa brought a history book written by some old codger named Tom … Lewis or something like that
and a bottle of Willett 4 Year Old Small Batch Rare Release Cask Strength Straight Rye

luncheoned today with the D3’s in-laws who were kind enough to include bogans like us
and I sat with the son-in-law who is getting through medicine right now, and his 94 yo grandfather who was a pioneering heart surgeon back in the day

is that an OAM pin in your lapel old man?
why, yes it is

back inside our cage now and just read Greg Craven …

When I told one of my professionally mendicant sons I was writing this, I received a sententious warning: “Don’t, Dad, my generation is really hurting, and lot of people will be triggered.” Dear God, I hope so.

MrCraven … I’d like to buy you a Christmas beer

calli
calli
December 25, 2023 7:05 pm

From Gaza to Sydney; that’s a long shadow.

Quite.

If you’re dropping your children off at a Jewish school, the lengthening shadow is apparent. I don’t expect others to appreciate it just yet.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 7:14 pm

Chamberlain knew a war was coming, but he believed he had bought Britain and the empire crucial time to prepare.

Chamberlain believed that he had averted the prospect of war, by “appeasing” Hitler, over Czechoslovakia. Chamberlain’s whole tragedy was that he genuinely believed that no – one, in their right mind, would ever plunge Europe, into the horrors of another war.

Roger
Roger
December 25, 2023 7:15 pm

If you’re dropping your children off at a Jewish school, the lengthening shadow is apparent. I don’t expect others to appreciate it just yet.

No doubt, calli.

I was personally reflecting on who is chiefly responsible for that shadow in terms of political decisions – it is Fraser’s folly, which Bob Hawke – who should have known better – indulged for reasons that I don’t know have ever been fully explained.

Chris
Chris
December 25, 2023 7:18 pm

I hope they put good foundations under that wall. Say, a kilometre deep.

Mmm. But they will refrain from a certain pagan custom mentioned in Highlander.

Roger
Roger
December 25, 2023 7:21 pm

Chamberlain believed that he had averted the prospect of war…

Historians have put forward their views, not least Winston Churchill, but Alec Douglas-Home, who was Chamberlain’s parliamentary secretary at the time of Munich and therefore present for that trip, was adamant that Chamberlain was not deceived by Hitler. Just about the last thing Chamberlain wrote before his death confirmed that. Churchill had his own agenda.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 25, 2023 7:21 pm

Looking through the trees to Siddy Harbour.
Champagne from the land of Britnah.
Oysters, prawns and crayfish with mango mayonnaise to start.
A massive lump of Victor Churchill slow roasted eye fillet with all the fixins for main, with a Coonawarra cab sav.
Home made plum pudding, vanilla icecream and custard.
Struggling through a final G &T before pulling the pin.
Chockers.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 7:28 pm

Just about the last thing Chamberlain wrote before his death confirmed that.

I’ve ordered Simon Heffer’s account of Chamberlains last letters.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 7:29 pm

Champagne from the land of Britnah.

Any good jokes about knickers?

calli
calli
December 25, 2023 7:32 pm

The land of the Sans Culottes?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 25, 2023 7:38 pm

A Christmas Day thunderstorm is just arriving over the Cafe. Textbook day, nice as Christmas Day ever can be, well until the heavens opened just now!

Seeing no one else has put this classic Christmas song up I’ll do so.

The Pogues – Fairytale Of New York (1987)

RIP Shane MacGowan 25 12 1957 – 30 11 2023

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 25, 2023 7:38 pm

Champagne from the land of Britnah.

If they made a British champagne it would be full bodied and tart.

Real Deal
Real Deal
December 25, 2023 7:40 pm

Christmas at home with wife and children including our daughter from Canberra. Traditional lunch with family and some young overseas students who had nowhere else to go. Some cultural challenges but mainly from an oldie like me.

My kind wife got out my old scalextric set, assembled it and now a few of us are having races between BMWs, Toranas, Falcons and Ford Sierras. I am a kid once more.

miltonf
miltonf
December 25, 2023 7:48 pm

My grandfather met Sir Alec Douglas Home but he was Lord Home then.

Roger
Roger
December 25, 2023 7:52 pm

If they made a British champagne it would be full bodied and tart.

I think they do…I recall seeing it on Escape to the Country or similar.

Well, a sparkling white wine, anyway.

WolfmanOz
December 25, 2023 7:54 pm

Louis Litt
Dec 25, 2023 11:20 AM
Wolfman
As you are a soccer fan _ Leeds 4 Ipswich 0
I penned an original ditty – let me know if it’s got legs –
Jingle bells jingle bells zip switch blown away oh what fun it is to watch Leeds United play – ole

Nice one Louis.

My Xmas was made with the mighty Wolves defeating the poncey Chelsea 2-1 overnight.

Roger
Roger
December 25, 2023 7:54 pm

I’ve ordered Simon Heffer’s account of Chamberlains last letters.

We expect a review!

😀

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 7:54 pm

My grandfather met Sir Alec Douglas Home but he was Lord Home then.

Relinquished his title in 1963 to re?enter the Commons as Prime Minister, in succession to Harold Macmillan? Been some time since I read his biography.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 7:57 pm

We expect a review!

Happy to provide one. I spend my money on good single malt, books and travel, these days.

RuthM
RuthM
December 25, 2023 7:59 pm

Think I might have a piece of toast, possibly dry, for my evening meal.

Lunch was sandcrab lasagne, prawn/mango/ salad to start. I would happily stop there, but roast Turkey, ham and roast vegetables are apparently required or it isn’t Christmas. Then pav, and I made the cherry sauce for it which was in the Oz a couple of weeks ago.

No disagreements, which means possibly contentious topics were avoided.

Pretty warm day, “real feel” 37 degrees, but better than miserable rain.

Bluey
Bluey
December 25, 2023 8:07 pm

John Brumble
Dec 25, 2023 4:06 PM
Love these “break check” whingers outing themselves for driving dangerously. If you weren’t following too closely, Bluey, said “break check” would not have had any impact.” A “break check” could just as easily be a kangaroo, pedestrian or even spider falling from the sun shade.

Now, “cutting off” is another story, but if i have one more clueless w@nker up my rear end, endangering the lives of my children in the back seat this holiday period, there’s going to be trouble.

But it’s ok because entitled.

You do understand the concept of closing distance to pass with minimal time in the right lane don’t you? Not simply tailgating? Not being one of the people who sits in the right lane the whole way?
Of course, obviously entitled, not trying to drive safely and appropriately to the conditions. Like slowing down when the belting rain arrived.
Try to enjoy Christmas mate, not just stew and lash out.

miltonf
miltonf
December 25, 2023 8:08 pm

Think so Zulu. GF and GM were in London in 1963 so must have been just before he moved to the HoC. He said ‘How do you do? I’m Lord Home’.

miltonf
miltonf
December 25, 2023 8:09 pm

Or maybe it was on their visit in the 50s.

Indolent
Indolent
December 25, 2023 8:20 pm
miltonf
miltonf
December 25, 2023 8:21 pm

Yes MacMillan stepped down after the Profumo affair and then Douglas-Home took over. Next year Wilson got in. Harold Will soon. No not even Harold would do that, oh yes Harold will soon.

Indolent
Indolent
December 25, 2023 8:24 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 25, 2023 8:24 pm

Mother Lode

Dec 25, 2023 7:38 PM

Champagne from the land of Britnah.

If they made a British champagne it would be full bodied and tart.

Oooh!
Harsh.
But fair.

bons
bons
December 25, 2023 8:25 pm

Oh oh.

Serious doo doos.

Madam, being a farm girl, announced that it was nonsense that just because the kelpies had never been on a lead, they couldn’t be walked.

Of cause they pulled her off he feet at the first street corner. Hands up, it was my fault, I should have never given in and let her charge off.

It is quite amazing how much damage we old folks suffer from an act that probably occurred ten times a day in our youth. A fall ain’t no joke, she looks like a grandchild who has come off her BMX.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 25, 2023 8:27 pm

Rool Dool at 7:40.

My kind wife got out my old scalextric set, assembled it and now a few of us are having races between BMWs, Toranas, Falcons and Ford Sierras. I am a kid once more.

Scalextric.
I used to dream about having one of those.
Maybe I still do.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 25, 2023 8:29 pm

You do understand the concept of closing distance to pass with minimal time in the right lane don’t you? Not simply tailgating? Not being one of the people who sits in the right lane the whole way?

Oof.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 25, 2023 8:35 pm

Scroll please as this is a long comment on the food we had at our family Christmas Eve lunch at my son’s home. It was a totally vegan spread, absolutely delicious. My DIL is an especially good cook and not a vegan of the finger-waving variety, her children eat whatever I cook when they are in my home and I am very much an omnivore, they love the vegan kryptonite – bacon.

Cocktails on arrival: Raspberry Eastside, Limoncello Spritz (homemade Limoncello) The Magic of Christmas Gin and Tonic and Homemade Bailey’s Irish Cream (packed a wallop)

Entrees were warm olives, vegan blue cheese (passable) and another vegan cheese not to my liking, glazed and very crisp tofu triangles which were delicious, little pesto-filled puff pastry Christmas trees topped with a star, they went down a real treat, betel leaves with a lemongrass and coconut filling.

Mains: Individual Wellingtons filled with duxelles of mushrooms, celery, onion and flavoured with thyme, rosemary and sage, each wellington topped with either an angel, a gingerbread critter, a star, a reindeer and so on.., accompanied by a gravy which was just superb, the sides were beetroot, rocket, orange and vegan feta salad, maple-glazed carrots, charred cabbage, leek and cauliflower gratin, spicy hassel-back potatoes which the Sunbather scoffed with gusto –

Desserts: boozy vegan ice cream, salted peanut butter icecream, Chilli ice magic and a chocolate berry tart that was sublime. And coffee to finish. A very different but highly enjoyable family lunch.

My DIL is a master vegan cook and her dishes are truly wonderful. BC (before children) she would take bookings of 8 for a 12 course degustation – the Vegan Experience. Can hardly wait ‘til she starts that up again to book such an experience for a group of friends.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
December 25, 2023 8:35 pm

Noice, one of the local bogans letting off fireworks (Prolly sourced from NT). Nice pretty show to end a Christmas Day. Can’t see the jacks wasting their time coming out with all the other crime in this area.

Sun came out when cooking lunch, the difference between the being under the hood and outside seemed negligible. Round 2 with this mornings storms on the way now, Charters Towers copping it at the moment…

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 25, 2023 8:39 pm

Individual Wellingtons filled with duxelles of mushrooms

I see.

Hope everyone’s okay.

Roger
Roger
December 25, 2023 8:40 pm

Mains: Individual Wellingtons filled with duxelles of mushrooms…

Wild picked?

Roger
Roger
December 25, 2023 8:41 pm

😀

I’m sure it was delicious, Tinta.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 25, 2023 8:51 pm

Individual Wellingtons filled with duxelles of mushrooms

I see.

Hope everyone’s okay.

Tres droll — funny but. Ours is a high trust family and all are fine though did have to loosen my stays

Pogria
Pogria
December 25, 2023 8:52 pm

Aerial is on the fritz because of the storm, so no FTA TV programs.
Watching the best Christmas movie ever on DVD a little earlier this evening than planned.

Die Hard, of course.

Zulu, very glad to read you spend your pocket money on man stuff. 😀 By the way, how’s the memsahib? Did you spoil each other today?

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 25, 2023 8:53 pm

I’m sure it was delicious, Tinta.

I assure you it was Roger, I’m Italian it’s a pecato mortale to lie about food.

P
P
December 25, 2023 8:56 pm

Where does the ‘Feast of the 7 Fishes’ Christmas Eve tradition come from?
CNA Staff, Dec 24, 2023

The Feast of the Seven Fishes — in Italian “La Vigilia,” which means “The Eve” — is one of these Christmas Eve traditions.

So, where does this tradition come from?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 25, 2023 8:57 pm

Arky, if you’re around, chapter ten of Judgement Day by Terry Pratchett, Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen deals with the origins of life from chemistry. There is a lot that isn’t known, but it’s interesting.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 8:59 pm

By the way, how’s the memsahib? Did you spoil each other today?

She”se mending, rather slowly. We’re going for lunch, at one of our favourite watering holes, sooner, rather than later.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 25, 2023 9:02 pm

So, where does this tradition come from?

. Most Europeans celebrate with a feast on Christmas Eve because baby Jesus was born on the evening of the 24th

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 25, 2023 9:04 pm

She’s mending, rather slowly.
Zulu it has been a difficult time for you and your memsahib – I guess that as long as there is progress, slow as it may be, that’s a good sign. Cheers and best wishes.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
December 25, 2023 9:06 pm

Wolfie 25/12=a@ 7:54
Wolves was a great result in a weekend of stunning results.
The bottom 3 all got up and Nottingham put up a good fight.
Really Villa keep pushing to emulate a Leicster.
Burnley may have kick started the season with that 5:0 win over Sheffield.
I sense MU could be doing a 1974 fingers crossed

Arky
December 25, 2023 9:07 pm

the origins of life from chemistry

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Mathematically highly improbable.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 9:08 pm

Cheers and best wishes.

Thank you – all good wishes for Christmas, and the New Year.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
December 25, 2023 9:11 pm

Dr Beau 8:57pm

I was thinking of Arky this past week.
What has happened to him.

Lois Litt
Lois Litt
December 25, 2023 9:20 pm

Saw Napoleon on Friday. After the first battle scene for the next 30 or so minutes I my impression was another Hollywood director ridiculing a brilliant man.
The coronation scene with the choir in the church I found uplifting, elavating.
Film was unusual, kept me interested but it was not connected through. The Russian campaign was a disappointment.
The battle of Waterloo was brilliant, the Duke of Wellington was a genius.
A s usual Hollywood ridicules a great man through sex .

Roger
Roger
December 25, 2023 9:21 pm

Mathematically highly improbable.

Impossible even, as mathematicians advised biologists at an inter-disciplinary conference some years ago now. I’ll try to track down the reference but I’ll have to find the book first and it’s packed away. The biologists then accused the mathematicians of being creationists (in the philosophical, not the religious sense) but the latter protested that they could only report what their calculations showed.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 25, 2023 9:25 pm

Dinner …
Vegemite on Jatz.
Alka Seltzer.
Water.

MatrixTransform
December 25, 2023 9:27 pm

Mathematically highly improbable

the most misunderstood concept in physics

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 9:27 pm

Water? Filthy stuff, water – you know what fish do in water?

Arky
December 25, 2023 9:33 pm

Impossible even, as mathematicians advised biologists

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Just the information part is highly improbable.
Embodying it within a cell structure is even worse.
But underneath that is the further improbability of a universe made up of the chemistry required to build the information and the cells. All the little bits required just happen to be lying around waiting to be randomly assembled into the complex machinery required for functioning, living cells.
That’s ridiculous.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 25, 2023 9:34 pm


Mathematically highly improbable.

Ian Stewart is a mathematician. So am I. You aren’t.
I suggest you educate yourself.

Real Deal
Real Deal
December 25, 2023 9:36 pm

Senor P

Scalextric.
I used to dream about having one of those.
Maybe I still do.

At my age it’s the equivalent of getting out the ELO or Alan Parsons Project LPs. A guilty pleasure. But there’s something about the tactile nature of the cars, track and trigger grip thingies. Much better than a playstation.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 25, 2023 9:37 pm

But underneath that is the further improbability of a universe made up of the chemistry required to build the information and the cells. All the little bits required just happen to be lying around waiting to be randomly assembled into the complex machinery required for functioning, living cells.
That’s ridiculous.

Arky, you simply don’t have a clue. Try reading the book, or at least the chapter.

Arky
December 25, 2023 9:41 pm

Ian Stewart is a mathematician. So am I. You aren’t.

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Admittedly I spent most of the years I was studying at the University of Melbourne Mathematics Department drunk, and I did get there circuitously when the Education faculty stopped teaching maths and unloaded a dozen or so of us, but I did complete a major in mathematics there. One of the few Education students to survive the transition.
Not sure I would go around calling myself “a mathematician”.

Arky
December 25, 2023 9:43 pm

Arky, you simply don’t have a clue.

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Try me.
You haven’t presented anything yet, and I’m too old for homework.

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 25, 2023 9:43 pm

Sister and BIL had been bombarded with their son, his wife and three kids for the last couple of days. They left early this morning.

They CBF with normal Christmas this year, so organised a picnic road trip with me and a fruitcake cousin who my sister finds entertaining. This clown was wearing a Soviet Union commie flag badge, and also a badge that was the Palestine flag with “Free Palestine” or some such. Tosser was trying to wind me up, but I didn’t bite. Sister told him no political talk etc. Thank god. He never shut up the whole time, though. All his wacky talk. On the way back I fantasised about exiting the car on one of the slow hairpin corners and jumping off a cliff.

Ended up in Apollo Bay. Lots of places open, including pub. Weather was atrocious. Shit ton of Indians and quite a few Mueslis out and about. Only Aussie I saw on the street was a dero looking dude sucking on a vape.

Cassie of Sydney
December 25, 2023 9:45 pm

I know where life emanates from…

GOD.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
December 25, 2023 9:49 pm

Arky
What is the maths the origin of life.
I have read Darwinism has decimal numbers which are not re occurring and the Big Bang theory is not an even number.
Please educate .

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 25, 2023 9:51 pm

Try me.
You haven’t presented anything yet, and I’m too old for homework.

Ok. If you’re too old to learn anything new, I give up on you. The material consists of a lot of facts and arguments that won’t fit into a short post, and short posts are, apparently, all you can now handle. That’s not something to be proud of.

Arky
December 25, 2023 9:59 pm

Louis Litt
Dec 25, 2023 9:49 PM
Arky
What is the maths the origin of life.

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You take all the molecules in the ocean.
You estimate how often they recombine.
You take the most simplest possible single cell and the information required for its genome.
You take the amount of time that the oceans existed.
Then you calculate the probability of getting the required information. You can further extend it by estimating the number of Earth like worlds in our galaxy.
People have done this, including myself (very roughly because I don’t have the chemistry background to do a good estimate of how often molecules combine and recombine).
When you do the calculations, even with the most generous approximations, the result is that there is not enough time, not in trillions of galaxies, for the information required to arise randomly.

Arky
December 25, 2023 10:01 pm

DrBeauGan
Dec 25, 2023 9:51 PM

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Bye.

Pogria
Pogria
December 25, 2023 10:02 pm

Zulu,
great to hear. The key word is “mending”. Whether slow or fast, as long as mending, that’s all that counts.

Arky
December 25, 2023 10:06 pm

The atheists get around the problem in one of two ways:
1. By saying that there are intermediate forms before functioning cells, that are capable of a type of reproduction which were precursors to cells, such as prions.
2. By positing the existence of a multiverse.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 10:08 pm

Whether slow or fast, as long as mending, that’s all that counts.

Thank you. We have been advised that recovering from the effects of chemotherapy and radiation treatment can take years.

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 25, 2023 10:09 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Dec 25, 2023 9:45 PM

I know where life emanates from…

GOD.

OK. Where does GOD emanate from? How or why does anything exist?

I used to fuss about that when I was a little kid going to sleep at night. I learned to stop caring etc. Nietzsche went insane.

Pogria
Pogria
December 25, 2023 10:12 pm

Tinta,
we celebrated on Christmas Eve. Had a light dinner of goodies, then bus and train to our particular Church for Midnight Mass. When home, which was about two in the morning, we kids were allowed to stay up and pig out on goodies some more.
Next morning, before breakfast, the youngest family member would hand out the presents from under the tree. Then, a big cooked breakfast and playing with our gifts for the younger ones whilst the older ones and parents visited with others or others visited us. All day food and drink would flow.
Wow, that was a long time ago!

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 25, 2023 10:16 pm

The atheists get around the problem in one of two ways:
1. By saying that there are intermediate forms before functioning cells, that are capable of a type of reproduction which were precursors to cells, such as prions.

Yep. And it’s entirely credible. Try RNA and ribosome.

JC
JC
December 25, 2023 10:25 pm

Something (possibly) intriguing to think about emerged from the trash Tucker Carlson was spewing during those UFO discussions.

The visitor mentioned that “biologics” had been discovered in these downed UFOs. From what I understood of these talks, “biologics” meant life forms rather than dead aliens, and the crashed UFOs were unmanned probes dropping life forms rather than being manned. According to what we know, probes are designed to crash land.

This relates to inexplicable occurrences like the Holocene period, which are periods of unprecedented life surges on Earth that defy scientific explanation.

Though I don’t think so, it’s something to think about.

Pogria
Pogria
December 25, 2023 10:26 pm

My power came back on a little while ago. Five hours without it this evening.
Probably the greatest investment I have made since I came to live here was the LPG Genny. Worth every penny.
Die Hard, even after all these years, still a great film.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 10:29 pm

My power came back on a little while ago. Five hours without it this evening.

Money well spent, “when we had the farm”, was a backup gen set, big enough to supply electricity to all the houses “on the place.”

Arky
December 25, 2023 10:32 pm

Yep. And it’s entirely credible. Try RNA and ribosome.

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I thought I was “unteachable”?
Either you are in or out, make up your mind.
..
In regards to “entirely credible”, here’s the interesting part of that, I think:
We have all the bits, already created, which is the hard part of the problem, that is, we have all the atoms and the ability to assemble them into the required molecules to create the amino acids and whatever other molecules we want. Furthermore, we know the problem can be solved, also, we already have the examples (the blueprints if you like) of the final product.
But we are yet to do the easy part of the problem: reproduce even the most simple single cell critter, or even outline theoretically the steps to produce it, even under the most ideal laboratory conditions, never mind out there in the primordial soup.
We already have all the components. We know how they fit together. We have the prototypes. But we can’t make the bloody thing even under the most ideal conditions, or even fathom the details of how it might be done.

JC
JC
December 25, 2023 10:32 pm

If life came from other worlds, it doesn’t invalidate the existence of a God. It basically means we may have to update our belief system away from the scriptures, which I guess is very problematic.

Will humans eventually try to seed the known part of the universe with life forms emanating from earth. I think it would be very possible in say a thousand years from now or in the long future.

Pogria
Pogria
December 25, 2023 10:38 pm

Zulu,
I should have said “mains was off for five hours, but I had power the whole time because of my genny”.
I invested in a genny that is 3kva’s more than I need right now as I plan on building a shed to store the cars, machinery and hold a couple of stalls for livestock. I intend to run power to it of course. I have always held to “Tim the Toolman’s” maxim, what do we need? More Power! 😀

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 10:42 pm

From the Oz. Emphasis added.

Alan
52 minutes ago
As an Australian born Jewish woman, lawyer and taxpayer I am utterly disgusted by what this country has become. I am unsafe in my homeland and feel I need to hide my identity and justify my right to exist. The obvious anti-semitism cloaked in concern for those other than the Israeli people who were slaughtered in the most horrific way, sickens me. The vile hatred permeating our streets completely and utterly unchecked is telling and terrifying. How dare our elected officials do absolutely nothing to protect my community whilst happily accepting the huge and continuing achievements and contributions we make to Australian society every single day. Where are the hoards of Jewish Australians marching in Muslim areas or other public places calling for their death or questioning their humanity/right to be alive?? No-where. And it will always be so, because despite those of you who hate us and try to make the world believe we are ‘descended from monkeys and pigs’ we are highly civilised, ethical, industrious and the world would be a lesser place if not for what we, the Jewish people, have created and given to the world. The wife

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 25, 2023 10:46 pm

I should have said “mains was off for five hours, but I had power the whole time because of my genny”.

Again, when we had the farm, I’m remembering no power for twenty four hours, we relied on the backup genny. Some drunken swine had rammed a mains power pole…

Jorge
Jorge
December 25, 2023 11:06 pm

There is no ‘before God’.

God is. God is existence.

‘Before Abraham was, I am.’

Jorge
Jorge
December 25, 2023 11:09 pm

‘Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you’” (Exodus 3:14).

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 25, 2023 11:15 pm

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Jorge
Dec 25, 2023 11:06 PM

There is no ‘before God’.

God is. God is existence.

‘Before Abraham was, I am.’

You seem like you have shit sorted Jorge

Iron Cove
Iron Cove
December 25, 2023 11:16 pm

Love to the CATerwaul, a very merry Christmas to you all.
May your communion, abtusness and truculence reign.
Keep kicking against the pricks.

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Arky
December 25, 2023 11:22 pm

I would like for others to chime in on the abiogenesis thing, from either side.
I don’t have the required chemistry or biology.

Mark Bolton
December 25, 2023 11:25 pm

To all of you naughty little Possums who have had a nasty crack at me.. Hey perhaps I deserve a boot up the bum or several. ?

Christ is Born…

He should give Us a beacon ?

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 25, 2023 11:31 pm

abiogenesis

Like crude oil is abiogenic?

Arky
December 25, 2023 11:33 pm

abiogenesis, the idea that life arose from nonlife more than 3.5 billion years ago on Earth. Abiogenesis proposes that the first life-forms generated were very simple and through a gradual process became increasingly complex.

Mark Bolton
December 25, 2023 11:34 pm

For Mine … I dont kick against any one. I continue to hope that people dwelling in anger can be brought around to Peace.

I am not some happy clappy engenue … I have seen nasty .. I didnt like it ..

Please Brothers and Sisters … dont imagine that by being spikey and truculent makes you informed.

Peace …

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 25, 2023 11:35 pm

But we are yet to do the easy part of the problem: reproduce even the most simple single cell critter,

So it’s not life that can’t come from chemistry. It’s cells. And you can’t see how to get to cells, so it can’t be done.
The argument from an inability to imagine something to its impossibility is not sound.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 25, 2023 11:35 pm

If they made a British Brittnah champagne it would be full bodied and tart.

Just looked back and saw the havoc auto-corrupt had wrought on a casual throw away joke.

Sheesh!

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 25, 2023 11:41 pm

I don’t have the required chemistry or biology.

I have pointed out how to acquire some.

Arky
December 25, 2023 11:48 pm

And you can’t see how to get to cells, so it can’t be done.

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I don’t care if it can or can’t be done.
I’m agnostic on it.
But no one has shown how it can be done, no one has done it, but all the bits are there, apparently thrown together by accident somehow.
Isn’t that curious? That we can’t replicate an accidental occurrence even knowing the outcome?
And that some are so sure it must be?
I doubt either of us have the biology and chemistry backgrounds to argue the details so that’s as far as I go: something some insist happened accidentally, randomly, can’t be reproduced by the application of the best minds with the best equipment. Why not?

Mark Bolton
December 25, 2023 11:50 pm

@DrBeauGan ..

Indeed .. It is called “Argument from Personal Incredulity” … and when dealing with matters so beyond our present reach … I like to resort to the Driller’s Conjecture ” FIIK .. but only for now … we we work this one out but likely not in my lifetime ..

In the interim Peace …and best to all

Arky
December 25, 2023 11:57 pm

DrBeauGan
Dec 25, 2023 11:41 PM
I don’t have the required chemistry or biology.

I have pointed out how to acquire some.

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I have one year of organic chemistry at uni. I know enough to know I don’t know enough to see the required details, nor the time to get it. I don’t have the best part of a decade to get a doctorate before trying to parse the subject, despite my interest. And reading a children’s author’s chapter on it isn’t going to advance my understanding.
If you have a doctorate in organic chemistry, or nuclear physics, or both then I get your attitude.
Otherwise…

Mark Bolton
December 26, 2023 12:03 am

In the History of Science there have always been ponderables for which we havent the slightest clue .. yet… “ponder on” we must ..

And be content to just be baffled utterly .. not for our generation … we have done much but cannot be expected to have done everything ..

Mark Bolton
December 26, 2023 12:13 am

In the spaces between wisdom and elucidation it might be best if We Humans preserve our resources by not trying to tear each other’s throats out like angry chimpanzees … The Planets Riches are not a Zero Sum Game unless we play the “hand like savages ..

Jesus Is Born …

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 26, 2023 1:03 am

An engineer is someone who can explain in multiple ways why something can’t possibly asuccessfully operate while standing in front of a working example. That’s about where we’re at about life – we can easily prove it’s impossible. Yet something we call life somehow crept into unknown chemical soups. We still haven’t figured out what it is, what life is. How did a chemical experiment end up with me.

Mark Bolton
December 26, 2023 1:31 am

@ Katzenjammer ..

An Engineer is a bloke that went Training as to how materials work in conjunction with the task on hand … figure out how specced the girders must be to build a bridge and in what particular configuration (for one example) . He relies upon the Laws of Physics .. at base and the experience of his profession to make a structure that will work …

As a counter example show yourself dancing in front of a bridge that hasn’t fallen down …

I know this sounds petulant but really the initial contention of your was ill informed and off your original contention ..

So you find Engineering unconvincing ? … do you drive over bridges ? Well if you do or if you dont what relevence has that to mysteries of morhogenisis ?

So a bloke can build a bridge that doesn’t fall down … a Aeronanical Engineer designs a plane plane that doesnt just fly into a mountain all by it’s self .. well not always ..

But the Cat love that you think like this … provided you can blame it all on Lefties !!

Mark Bolton
December 26, 2023 1:50 am

Speaking of damned Lefties ~spit~ and Engineers .. The Australian Taxpayer helped the Vietnamese build a bridge over one of those endless rivers they seem to have … They ..oops we paid for the damn thing … and the kids that put the pencils behind their ears got the job as graduates of Australian Universities … Engineers ..who would have thought those little almond eyes could have passed and exam ??? Round Eye Pay … gookie gook ..loove you long time

Yup that was the first one …

Wanna know what ? … They needed another bridge about 40 miles upstream …

And they built the bugger … and guess who got all the contract work? The Supply gig ..

Old Mate …. US !!!!

Mark Bolton
December 26, 2023 1:52 am

OLd Mate UWA .. and Australian Suppliers … OHHHHH FUUUCK …that sound a bit like we were consorting with Commies … Yeah best we stick to sending an utterly fruitless 500 million to Slava Ukraine … Full on Democracy there Cobber!!!

Mark Bolton
December 26, 2023 2:03 am

Also I hope you Folks didnt miss that Juillia Gillard flat out Gave 20 Mill to “You Go Gal ” AKA the Clinton Chick Fund … No account was ever given for that one ..

Mark Bolton
December 26, 2023 2:06 am

At least the gooks got a decent bridge .. well two actually … what did we get back? ..by way of ~baksheesh~ from our “Knitter of Kangaroos” …

And It makes me wonder why I cop so much Hate here ?

Mark Bolton
December 26, 2023 2:20 am

As I have always said … I am a person who is interested in propaganda. Can you people think for a minute , pissants that you all are , that there isnt a budget to subvert you people.? Not so much for who you are now … which is just pathetic … but for what you people once were … TLA … Never mind it will improve ( if you like being left alone) … because you will become less interesting and not so much worth subverting …

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 26, 2023 2:46 am

Mark, you appear to not know know jokes engineers tell about their own profession.

And It makes me wonder why I cop so much Hate here ?

Do you?

Mark Bolton
December 26, 2023 3:38 am

Nor do you seem to know about the jokes that Geologists and Engineers and pretty much any one else that has had to spin a spanner …

Though you stand in front of all this Technology … Hey Sparky that Shit works … and pretend that because we dont have the answers to Morphogenisis right now … then none of what we do means anything …

potholer54 …is your Man ..Tooo Raaa .Golden Crocoduck is on offer …

But I don’t believe you are genuine ..

I Think you are taking the piss

Tom
Tom
December 26, 2023 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
December 26, 2023 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Tom
Tom
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DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 26, 2023 4:19 am

Thanks Tom.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
December 26, 2023 4:27 am

I don’t have the best part of a decade to get a doctorate before trying to parse the subject, despite my interest. And reading a children’s author’s chapter on it isn’t going to advance my understanding.

We seem to agree that you don’t know enough for your opinion to have any value. And you are determined to keep it that way.

johanna
johanna
December 26, 2023 5:50 am

OK, folks. Time to talk about mathoms. Come on, fess up.

Mine this year was a gift pack of stuff like body lotion and spray allegedly with the scent of the peony flower. No prizes for guessing where it was manufactured.

I’ve grown real peonies, and none of them smlled remotely like this stuff, which resembled the odor of 25 cosmetic counters crammed into a small, airless room..

Off to the charity shop for this one.

On another note:

Arky
Dec 25, 2023 11:22 PM

I would like for others to chime in on the abiogenesis thing, from either side.
I don’t have the required chemistry or biology.

Nor do I, but there have been some heated arguments at Anthony Watts’ (WUWT) about abiotic oil over the years. Anthony has not banned them, as he has certain crackpot theories, so maybe there’s something in it.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
December 26, 2023 6:37 am

Beijing got a white Christmas this year.

China’s capital gripped by coldest December ever as temperatures 50C lower than summer (25 Dec)

Beijing, China, has recently encountered its chilliest December since records began in 1951, with temperatures frequently dropping below -10°C throughout the month. This follows a year of weather extremes in the capital, which experienced its hottest June day just six months ago, registering over 40°C.

In addition to China, northern Japan has witnessed an unusual amount of snowfall for this time of year. Heavy snow alerts have been issued in certain areas, with Gifu and Hokkaido prefectures experiencing around a metre (39 inches) of snowfall.

The usual suspects will say high temperature on one day in June was terrifying global warming but the coldest December ever was only weather.

Beertruk
December 26, 2023 6:39 am

Tim Blair in today’s Tele:

OUR COOL CHRISTMAS WAS A GIFT TO NONWOKENS

TIM BLAIR
26 Dec 2023

If this summer was any hotter, it’d be winter. Much of Australia endured sub-optimal weather on Christmas Day as global warming yet again failed to deliver local heat.

Had substantial heat arrived, of course, every left-inclined weather watcher in the land would’ve immediately blamed warming or climate change. But when raging temperatures don’t occur, explanations are far more complex.

Why was Christmas for many Australians cooler than average? Because of El Nino, news.com.au reported.

Plus an active Madden-Julian Oscillation across Australia’s north, aiding in the formation of monsoonal rain. As well as a positive phase of the Southern Annular Mode in Antarctic seas, driving rain and storms in the country’s east. And also a re-energised Cyclone Jasper.

End result: people turning on efficient coal-fired heaters to combat Australian summer cold.

As usual, climate change is all hat, no catastrophe.

At this point, at least during previous years, furious warmy religionists would begin yelling at me about not knowing the difference between climate and weather, angrier hurricanes smashing more cities, the scientific basis for warming generating cooling and so on.

But those responses are not so loud or frequent these days, possibly because we’ve been hearing about global warming, heating and boiling for decades – yet here we are, putting on jumpers in December.

Climate panic keeps crashing into reality. The “hottest year on record”, as claimed by warmies, ended with woollens.

Like all things woke, faith in a climate apocalypse requires that believers ignore the evidence directly in front of them.

Faith (in the form of climate evangelists) told us we’d run out of food by 1976, we’d enter a second Ice age by 2000, Manhattan would be underwater by 2015, the Arctic would be ice-free by 2018 and we’d have 50 million climate refugees by 2020.

Faith told us much else besides. Just look up Steven J. Milloy’s extensive and detailed list of failed eco-apocalyptic predictions.

Evidence, on the other hand, shows that we’re all still here, living on an intact planet, chowing down on abundant food, travelling over the place and in my case brawling with younger, fitter Christmas guests for a spot closer to the heater.

(Speaking of brawls, prepare in 2024 for the first footage from an all-in fists of fury smackdown at an electric vehicle recharging station. Reality-battered manufacturers are cutting back on batterypowered production, but there are still plenty of impatient EV queue bunnies waiting out there to punch on.)

Another woke belief took a hammering in 2023: the belief that Anthony Albanese and his creepy, ethically-flexible Labor comrades, of all people, are fit and proper appraisers of our morality.

By framing the Voice referendum as a contest between good and bad, Albanese, Labor and Australia’s left followed a woke model successfully trialled on sociology students and other lab primates before being unleashed on civilisation.

“Academics spent a decade constructing an intellectual framework for excluding everyone who disagreed with them,” US columnist and author Tim Carney wrote earlier this month.

“They created ideological litmus tests and tried to brand them as basic values. Who could object to Diversity, Equity, or Inclusion?!

“But it was all dishonesty. They really were trying to say ‘be a leftist or get out’.

“The last two months have exposed the dishonesty. Because dishonesty is always inconsistent, and really they are fine with hate and racism.

“What they hate is non-leftism.”

Yep. The exposed dishonesty mentioned by Carney refers, obviously, to the left’s continuing abysmal response to Hamas’s October 7 atrocities. “Decolonisation” is a core element of the left’s “Diversity, Equity and Inclusion” quest, so Hamas’s bloody savagery had to be forced into a leftist justice framework.

The trouble is, we’ve watched the videos (filmed for celebratory purposes by Hamas). We’ve heard the first-person accounts. We’ve seen the photograph depicting a mother and infant daughter bound together by wire and then set alight.

We saw their charred remains, still bound in death.

In short, we’ve seen the reality. Much more graphically and powerfully than in any climate arguments, that reality clashes with the left’s fanciful depictions.

It’s usually possible, in economic or climate debates, to assume a left-wing opponent’s basic civility. If they’re backing Hamas, however, they’ve abandoned humanity.

And they need to feel it. Burning shame isn’t a friendly gift, but it might make up for cold Christmas weather.

johanna
johanna
December 26, 2023 6:53 am

Excellent article about ‘transgenderism’ as a cult from a psychiatrist who was a Goth in his youth here.

rosie
rosie
December 26, 2023 7:10 am

Hamas had been in control of Gaza since 2007, having build so many hundreds of kilometres of tunnels why wouldn’t all the buildings under their direct control, schools mosques, hospitals be linked?
Is anyone going to argue hamas ethics would prevent them from doing this,
The ends always justify the means.

rosie
rosie
December 26, 2023 7:21 am

Incoming reports of Hamas having turned down a permanent ceasefire deal offered by Egypt.

According to this plan, Hamas would have been forced to lay down weapons and hand over power to a civilians Gazan government aided by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Hamas wants power

They still think they can win or is the billionaires hiding out in Algeria or Turkey that have nothing to lose personally that are refusing.
Are the hamas twitterai producing their videos claiming to have killed thousands of IDF and destroyed hundreds of vehicles still playing let’s pretend?
ceasefire now

Black Ball
Black Ball
December 26, 2023 7:21 am

Call it what it is. Pro Hamas. Hun:

Police have arrested a pro-Palestine protester who stormed the stage during Melbourne’s Carols by Candlelight event on Sunday night.

Children were rushed off the stage at the Sidney Myer Music Bowl when two protesters waving Palestinian flags ran on during Emma Memma and Elvin Melvin’s musical number about 8.30pm.

One of the protesters snatched a microphone from hosts Sarah Abo and David Campbell and chanted: “Children are dying in Gaza”.

Security guards then tackled the pair and removed them from the stage.

Police arrested a 21-year-old Brunswick woman over the stunt and issued her an infringement notice for carrying a box cutter, which is classified as a controlled weapon by police.

Officers moved on the second protester.

A Victoria Police spokeswoman said another two protesters were denied entry to the event.

The hosts remained professional as they calmed the booing crowd as Nine swiftly cut to an extended ad break.

The children, as well as Emma Memma and Elvin Melvin, returned to the stage shortly after the disruption, and performed their lively carol.

The protesters have been slammed for “destroying the spirit of Christmas” in front of children and families.

Dr Dvir Abramovich, chair of the Anti-Defamation Commission, said the stunt was an “ugly and despicable act of intimidation”.

“These guerrilla type tactics are spiralling out of control and I’m sure that most people would have been rattled and shocked to the core to see these tactics of intimidation unfolding in front of children and parents,” he said.

“Carols by Candlelight was once a safe place for families to celebrate the beauty of Christmas, but no more, as this tornado of prejudice is destroying our sense of security.

“No one should be in fear in their own city, but this is sadly where we are heading to.

“These agents of division and fear are spreading their hateful ideology of antisemitism and anti-Israel agenda and changing our city, once a tolerant haven, into a cesspool of propaganda.”

Abo and Campbell were lauded for their professionalism amid the interruptions, calmly telling the crowd: “It’s OK, everybody, take it nice and easy, It’s all OK.”

After his microphone was snatched by one of the protesters, Campbell did his best to reassure the audience, telling them “It’s all good, everybody It’s OK. Relax, settle down.”

“We did have kids here so we wanted to make sure those kids are safe, they’re gonna be back out in a second. It’s a very hard time in this world, It’s a hard night for us all to come together on a night like this when there’s a lot of pain out there. We’re going to just settle things down for a moment and we’re all going to be fine.”

Executive Council of Australian Jewry co-chief executive Alex Ryvchin condemned the act.

“You can always count on anti-Israel extremists to make everything about them and to appall decent, ordinary people. The chorus of boos tells them loud and clear they’re not wanted.”

Viewers took to social media to express their praise for Campbell’s steadfast composure.

“How well did David Campbell handle that!?! Absolute champion, calm, respectful and constantly professional. Brilliant,” one X user, formerly Twitter, wrote.

Others wrote: “Credit to David Campbell … that was first class and expertly handled. Elite work”.

“Don’t like David Campbell but just became a FAN! Handled extremely well!”.

A spokeswoman for Vision Australia said the organisation was “disappointed” that the protesters affected the nationwide annual tradition.

She said crews and performers at the event handled the protesters with professionalism.

“Vision Australia understands the ongoing conflict in the Gaza region is a cause of distress for many people across Australia,” she said.

“Vision Australia is disappointed that actions at Carols by Candlelight impacted what is a Christmas tradition for households across Australia and our efforts to raise much needed funds for children and young people who are blind or have low vision.”

Nine declined to comment on the incident.

Opposition Leader John Pesutto said the protesters had no place at the event.“Carols by Candlelight is a wonderful Christmas tradition attended by hundreds of families including young children and these types of protest are completely unacceptable,” he said.

Australia Israel & Jewish Affairs Council (AIJAC) executive director Dr Colin Rubenstein said he was “deeply disappointed” that the carols were interrupted.

“It was a self-indulgent and inconsiderate, arrogant assault,” he said.

“The protest and the attempt to hijack another culture’s celebration shows total disrespect and disregard.”

Disrespect and disregard is a mild way of putting it.
I would think the clink for a week or so might train the thought process of the lady.
Pesutto is not the greatest but at least he spoke up. Where’s Jacinta Allen?

eric hinton
eric hinton
December 26, 2023 7:28 am

Re the metaphysics spat of last night

Back around late 80s/90s New Scientist ran a cartoon strip documenting the life and times of a cage of lab rats. In one strip the rats were taking a course in human studies and a professor rat was explaining to the class how science had superseded religion: Take the origin of the universe for example, their old religious idea of ‘let there be light’ has been replaced by a scientific one of far greater explanatory power: Bang!

rosie
rosie
December 26, 2023 7:34 am

21 year with a box cutter should get charged with terrorism.
But it’s Victoria she’ll have been bailed and get a small fine or a community service order.
One can only hope there is a conviction which messes with future overseas travel plans.

Beertruk
December 26, 2023 7:39 am

Today’s Tele:

ALBO: VOICE A LOSS FOR FIRST NATIONS, NOT ME

ANGIRA BHARADWAJ AND ELEANOR CAMPBELL
26 Dec 2023

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has vowed not to give up on Indigenous reconciliation as he reflected on the failed Voice referendum on Christmas Day – doubling down on his belief the defeat was a “loss” for First Nations people, but not for himself as Labor leader.

Mr Albanese spent Christmas Day visiting his mother’s grave at Rookwood Cemetery, opening presents with partner Jodie Haydon – which included jewellery but not an engagement ring – and visiting Ashfield Uniting Church with the Reverend Bill Crews Foundation and NSW Premier Chris Minns.

The Prime Minister reflected on the Voice referendum in an interview with 2GB after initially leaving it out of his end-of-year recap video.

“I’m not Indigenous so it wasn’t a loss for me. It stays exactly the same way it is. I do think that it was disappointing for First Nations people but, you know, they are used to hardship … they are resilient,” he said.

“We accept the referendum outcome but I don’t think it means we should give up on reconciliation, we should double down on trying to do what we can to provide practical support.”

The Prime Minister said he was most proud of his $23bn relief package along with “restoring” Australia’s reputation internationally. “It’s been a tough time because of global inflation but it’s heading in the right direction, the economy, and that has taken considerable effort,” he said.

Later at the Reverend Bill Crews Foundation’s Christmas celebration at Ashfield, Mr Albanese reflected on Australians doing it tough.

“Can I just give a shout-out to those people suffering from floods in Far North Queensland and from fires in Western Australia and in some parts of NSW as well. This is a festive time, but for many Australians, it will be a very difficult time,” he said.

“And it’s been a time where we’ve seen the best of the Australian character that always comes out at the most difficult of occasions.”

Although he recounted “pinch me” moments in 2023 including having dinner with US President Joe Biden and his wife, he denied reports of getting special treatment and tasting a $500 bottle of wine while on a holiday in Western Australia recently.

“We paid our own way, flew over commercially, stayed in a place, went to Coles on the way and got stuff for lunch … and we went wine tasting as everyone else does,” Mr Albanese said. “The Leader of the Opposition (Peter Dutton) was on holiday at the same time and that didn’t get a mention.

“I think it’s a good thing that people holiday in Australia. That’s what I did for four whole days.”

Yair Airbus Anal…you spent the other 361 days holidaying, hobnobbing and sucking up around the rest of the world.

Editorial Page 56

Editorial:

NOT INDIGENOUS, SO IT DOESN’T MATTER

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese made one or two notable errors during his campaign for the Yes vote in this year’s Voice to Parliament referendum.

Significantly, as debate grew in August over the length of the full Uluru Statement, Albanese revealed that the issue was to him of little or even no concern.

“I haven’t read it,” the Prime Minister told a radio interviewer. “There’s 120 pages, why would I?”

It was around that point that polling in favour of the Voice really began to hurtle downwards.

Now, some months after Australians had their say on the Voice, Albanese has again made an apparent radio misstep. “I’m not Indigenous so it wasn’t a loss for me,” Albanese said, referring to the Voice’s emphatic 60-40 rejection.

“It stays exactly the same way it is. I do think that it was disappointing for First Nations people but you know they are used to hardship … they are resilient.”

In print, this possibly comes off as more dismissive and perfunctory than Albanese may have intended for his listening audience.

Still, the PM should review these words and consider how he may have found a superior way of expressing himself.

If a Coalition PM said anything so careless, they’d be crucified.

rosie
rosie
December 26, 2023 7:39 am

The violence is often painted as ethno-religious conflict between Muslim herders and mainly Christian farmers. But climate change and expanding agriculture are also major factors.

Reuters, what a joke of an outlet.

meanwhile in Nigeria

Beertruk
December 26, 2023 7:43 am

Black Ball
Dec 26, 2023 7:21 AM

I would think the clink for a week or so might train the thought process of the lady.

Should have been snotted along with her mate.
Or tarred and feathered as per the old days.

Black Ball
Black Ball
December 26, 2023 7:46 am

Haha Albo.
There is no loss for black fellas. None whatsoever. This I think proves that he is rather racist himself. Almost blaming us for Teh Voice failure.
That he will not accept responsibility shows he is unfit to be a roadside rubbish collector, let alone Prime Minister.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
December 26, 2023 7:47 am

I would think the clink for a week or so might train the thought process of the lady.

A month cleaning toilets at Montefiore Home.

rosie
rosie
December 26, 2023 7:50 am

The Swedish government has announced it will stop paying development aid to countries that don’t take back rejected asylum seekers from Sweden.

Other governments take note.
link

calli
calli
December 26, 2023 7:53 am

Police arrested a 21-year-old Brunswick woman over the stunt and issued her an infringement notice for carrying a box cutter, which is classified as a controlled weapon by police.

A “box cutter”. Now, what does that remind me of?

There’s a 22 year old reason why simple Stanley knives are now considered dangerous.

On a stage with children, too.

Arky
December 26, 2023 7:57 am

DrBeauGan
Dec 26, 2023 4:27 AM

..
You are coming across as an evasive douche.
I’m sure that isn’t your intension.
I never asked you to point me to references to support your view. Sorry if I gave the impression I was after reading material.
I may once years back have asked your opinion on the topic.
I can’t recall the conversation in detsil.

rosie
rosie
December 26, 2023 7:57 am

Some very young boys in the video.
Hamas killed 150 boys building their tunnels and apparently recruit children as young as 11 and 12.
Also killed a 15 year old trying to loot an aid truck while two young boys transporting an IED were killed in Judea Samaria.
Kids raised to be cannon fodder.
The ends justify the means.

sending hamas apologists into fits

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
December 26, 2023 7:58 am

Gee that David Pope cartoon displays all kinds of Cope. What a POS.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
December 26, 2023 8:07 am

we celebrated on Christmas Eve. Had a light dinner of goodies, then bus and train to our particular Church for Midnight Mass. When home, which was about two in the morning, we kids were allowed to stay up and pig out on goodies some more.

Very much like our family, though we were very materially poor we were spiritually and culturally rich.

Those times might be long ago Pogria, bur isn’t it great that we can dip into those large deposits in the memory bank or look down memory lane and not see it empty. Merry Christmas.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 26, 2023 8:13 am

Gee that David Pope cartoon displays all kinds of Cope. What a POS.

Pope would I think be likely unable to justify the accusations levelled at those who voted ‘No’ on that flag.

But I should especially love to hear how he explains Terra Nullius as being inaccurate. You can bet he does not understand it as meaning – in its context – that there is not monarch or state running the place with which to open diplomatic relations.

The Brits did not call every place possessed by a less advanced society Terra Nullius and they did recognise chiefs and kings as the ones to negotiate with all over the place.

So what is Pope’s take? That when the Brits came to Australia they were already carrying a deep-seated dishonest prejudice against Aborigines before they even know they existed?

rosie
rosie
December 26, 2023 8:13 am
Peter Greagg
Peter Greagg
December 26, 2023 8:20 am

A belated post to thank all Cats for their posts (well, most cats anyway), and Dover for hosting such a great blog where mostly like-minded people can share their thoughts. Special thanks to Tom for the ‘Tunes”, those that post news articles etc , and Rosie and others on the current Gaza conflict.

A special reach out in support of the brave and proud Jewish Cats that post their thoughts and reactions (esp Cassie). I apprecaite it as it helps me see things from their perspective (as a white 71 year old male it is hard to envisage unaided) – it also reminds me to stay in contact/support with my Jewish friends in Israel, and elsewhere). So I thank you.

Mostly a lurker, although sometimes I am energised to post.

As an older Australian with a great interest in reading, I was thinking I should read Jane Austen (dunno why I haven’t read her yet?).

Could informed Cats suggest where I should start?

Also I have never read any Russian authors. Again, any suggestions of where I should start (War and Peace?)?

I live in Canberra, but am in Melbourne for the Boxing Day Test Match.
What are other Cats doing on Boxing Day?

Thanks in anticipation.

JC
JC
December 26, 2023 8:22 am

It always ends up this way with the Juan. Blown up every bridge in Oz.

Tom
Tom
December 26, 2023 8:23 am

It’s usually possible, in economic or climate debates, to assume a left-wing opponent’s basic civility. If they’re backing Hamas, however, they’ve abandoned humanity.

And they need to feel it. Burning shame isn’t a friendly gift, but it might make up for cold Christmas weather.

Many thanks for posting Tim Blair in full, Beertruk.

He was a pack-a-day smoker until his recent heart attack.

I reckon the hearter has made him an even better writer.

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