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Haha, like WEF graduate Sunak, Johnson is a lefty. He’s married to a Green. He fervently believes in climate fairies.…
The interesting thing with all this is that the really toxic nerve agents seem less effective than advertised. By contrast…
Something has been bothering me about the Jaguar rebranding ad and finally realised what it is. The creators are touting…
Everything about the Skripals/ Sturgess case smells to high heaven. It’s worth following the Dawn Sturgess inquiry currently. Overnight, the…
Great to see you here MarreeS.
Best wishes for you and your own today.
Thanks everyone for giving descriptions of what you are all eating today. I love everything about food and cooking and really enjoy reading about what you have all been preparing.
I have a little ham in the oven being basted every twenty minutes with my favourite Maple and Mustard glaze. This year I have added a little sting to the glaze with a splash of Sriracha.
For those who haven’t cooked and have bought goodies prepared by someone else, you are brilliant. As I mentioned some time ago, I had a small baking business which would not have been as successful as it was if everyone did their own baking. The same goes for anyone whose livelihood depends on people buying food from them.
Cheers everyone! 😀
As you gather round the dining table for lunch with your lefty cousins, get off on the right foot. Wear the t shirt that says “I’m unvaxxed and ready to talk politics at Christmas.”
Driving the six hours to visit my old man for Christmas the roads are quiet, but people still can’t drive.
First prize for idiocy goes to the person who attempted to brake check me at 110 as I moved up to pass.
Looking very wet through VIC at the moment.
Old man in good health and opting for a quiet Christmas in, bar church service in the morning.
Merry Christmas everyone!
Wear the t shirt that says “Join the Army, go to exciting places, meet interesting people and kill them.”
Albo reckons the Voice wasn’t a loss for him? It was one of the greatest humiliations ever handed to a PM and their government in living memory. He’s as clueless as when The Great Man stuck him in a corridor as an 18yo Trot.
I dug out my “Let’s go Brandon” T shirt for Christmas lunch, hoping for some action.
None so far.
We’ve got a Trump 24 flag, so far one person has stopped and stared at it, and turned to me and said “That’s a joke right”. I said “No” with a big smile.
The Great Man stuck him in a corridor as an 18yo Trot.
Mr Urine?
Merry Christmas to all, espescially to Dover, thank you for all you do. Don’t comment often, but still hanging on as a long time lurker
Oh dear, someday I will learn to spell stuff.
Albo has to put a brave face on the whole fiasco. Tanya Plibersek is standing behind him, deciding where she’ll plant the big knife.
It.,s a c, Ken, get with the program.
Merry Christmas to all Greens MPs and Greens everywhere. May they survive Christmas Day and rise tomorrow with all their hatreds intact.
The reason there’s more of them than boomers is because you need more to make up a dozen.
Love these “break check” whingers outing themselves for driving dangerously. If you weren’t following too closely, Bluey, said “break check” would not have had any impact.” A “break check” could just as easily be a kangaroo, pedestrian or even spider falling from the sun shade.
Now, “cutting off” is another story, but if i have one more clueless w@nker up my rear end, endangering the lives of my children in the back seat this holiday period, there’s going to be trouble.
But it’s ok because entitled.
Big storm starting here in the Southern Tablelands. Older dogs hiding, puppies not noticing! Forecast has damaging winds, large hail heavy rain. Yikes! Say an extra prayer for me please Cats and Kittehs.
I don’t get my weather report from the BOM, so the forecast is more than likely to be right.
Thank God and Man for generators.
The Natives of Gaza are becoming restless.
Pogria
Dec 25, 2023 4:14 PM
Hail is a problem, hope you avoid it.
We had to replace the whole roof and write of one of the cars, years ago.
Greg Craven, hilarious spray. May he live to be 110 in rude good health, just to spite his children.
Fortunately, ours are OK, not eyeing off the family silver, they’re earning enough in mining and services to leave us unmolested.
They’re great company today, happily wining and dining their father into an early snooze while I take a WEB from mum duties.
Power hit and miss now, a period of supply from midday cut half an hour ago. On and off but that doesn’t matter right now. Time for a few drinks.
They continue to show their true colours by interrupting Carols by Candlelight.
Gabor,
the worst of the storm seems to have gone around me, thank God. Although the power did go out. As I said earlier, thank God for generators. Mine kicks in automatically in less than ten seconds.
re, the hail, I lived in a rental many years ago when hail the size of tennis balls hit. The house had a Fibro roof! Straight through. The landlord wasn’t impressed at having to replace the whole roof. I have photos of the hailstones in the palms of my hands to prove how big they were. Scary time.
mareeS… I dont suppose you know where Wronright hid the Akkadian mead?
JUST IN: The IDF has begun construction of a 1-kilometer buffer zone along the entire Israel-Gaza border (on the Gazan side). Only Israeli soldiers will be allowed in. The mistake of allowing Hamas terrorists to encroach on the border and attack Israeli forces will not be repeated.
Does that mean citizens from Gaza will no longer be allowed to work in Israel?
Aah, the Sumerian mead…no, sorry, best I can do is some One Nation rum that I bought for spouse and son. I haven’t handed it over, yet.
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Dec 25, 2023 3:07 PM
greg craven greg craven
My Christmas gift to ‘Generation-Greed’: A dash of reality and a hint of perspective
2:46PM December 25, 2023
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Mildly amusing but redundant. There are only 2 reactions to the spoilt gens/left generally: screaming and/or bashing.
On this special day some whacky islam:
‘Sydney Gay And Lesbian Mardi Gras’ calls for ceasefire, wants Hamas alive so its members can enjoy Sharia (great photo of hamas throwing a queer for palestine off a roof)
UK: Muslim husband tried to murder his estranged wife in knife attack outside family court to ‘teach her a lesson’
Duuuuude! Biden Regime Pardons Marijuana Use Nationwide (featuring a young obama lighting up)
The Liars Christmas greetings photo requires no comment:
Albanese – the ideological grand nephew of Neville Chamberlain
Wong – the commo dyke hypocrite who rages about colonialism but ignores the fact that her forebears colonised and exploited Sabah
Marles – “of course I’ll spend your money as I choose, what’s it got to do with you”.
A truely inspirational nativity scene.
What did Adam say on the day before Christmas? It’s Christmas, Eve!
What happened to the man who stole an Advent Calendar? He got 25 days!
I will honor Christmas in my heart, and try to keep it all the year.
– Charles Dickens
Neville Chamberlain didn’t have much choice. Popular opinion in Britain was bitterly opposed to war, the British Army wasn’t equipped to fight a war on the Continent, the Royal Air Force was approaching block obsolesce, and the Dominions wouldn’t have fought. Albo’s “appeasement” is based on sheer, craven, cowardice.
The main reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live.
– George Carlin
Found out today someone I know had several hundred thousand dollars stolen from his bank account.
Fell for a fake sms message, rang the number provided, they already had his personal information which he confirmed, then bleed his account dry with a series of under 10k transactions til it was empty.
The particular bank apparently had no mechanism in place to put a stop on what were obvious suspicion transactions.
Not sure if he will get any of it back.
My advice.
Never ever respond to unsolicited email or text messages from your bank.
Ring their 13 number or visit a branch if you get such a message.
Does that mean citizens from Gaza will no longer be allowed to work in Israel?
memory serves that was decided very early in the follow-up ……!
No work, no help re-building, no access to/from Israel at all ……. could change, of course, but that was the official line week 2 …….
Albanese – the ideological grand nephew of Neville Chamberlain
Rubbish- Chamberlain meant well. Anal doesn’t.
How Rishi Sunak announced an amnesty for illegal immigrants and hoped nobody would notice
Mike Benz
@MikeBenzCyber
As with election censorship, Covid censorship, & all aspects of the censorship industry managed by AI, the SHAFT standards (where “H” is for hate speech) are built on vast databases of blacklisted or greylisted keywords.
That database of keywords would be helpful to obtain.
Say what you will about Chamberlain, but he wasn’t a perfidious Trot.
By bitter contrast, my wife and I first went overseas when we were 33.
I had my 19th on a ship passing through the Suez Canal. Unfortunately a troop ship (HMTS Empire Fowey). Two years followed in the S*H* of Aden, but I did get to visit Pakistan and Kenya: an introduction life beyond the Old Dart which encouraged me to travel further.
Happy Christmas to all Cats & lurkers and here’s hoping for a more conservative 2024.
Whoops. Sorry for the bold. I’m using sight-impaired settings.
Chamberlain was fond of a massage though.
Apparently.
The Egyptians did the same about a decade ago after attacks on their soldiers.
SAY AGAIN…I CAN’T HEAR YOU!
[insert laughing emoji here.]
Miltonf, we need to disagree regarding Chamberlain.
Revisionist historians have portrayed him as a slightly eccentric, well meaning, speak from the heart, everyone’s grandad, who held the nation’s interests as his exclusive motivation, but was diped by evil forces.
None of that is true. Churchill’s interpretation is the accurate one. Chamberlain was a political thug representing an aristocratic/finance/landholding class whose overwhelming motivation was the preservation of their wealth and priveldge. If selling out British values and allies interests was the cost of achieving that aim, then so be it. He was the complete opposite of his father who actually possessed a moral base.
There is an accurate contemporary comparison for Chamberlain – the ‘remainers’.
Just home from Sydney – perfect Christmas Day with children and grandchildren. No arguments, apart from who was to commandeer the latest Playstation game, serenaded by grandson who is an excellent guitarist, lots of good food, fun and mucking about.
A bit of worrisome commentary about Gaza and possible trouble in Sydney which cast a momentary shadow. But nothing…nothing beats a family standing shoulder to shoulder against all comers.
No food coma for us. We had to drive home.
I hope they put good foundations under that wall. Say, a kilometre deep.
Wear the t shirt that says “Join the Army, go to exciting places, meet interesting people and kill them.”
Zulu, the one daring and foolish statement I ventured after Christmas lunch was , “I think we should bring back “National Service”. No pushback from the millennial 20+ year old boys. In fact, one of their number is an enlisted young man who boards with them & is also doing a degree at their university.
But woke, corporate “X-er” son-in-law shot back really quickly – “You mean all that bullying will be good for them?” – or words to that effect. I often find that the
“X’ers” harbour more resentment than their kids.
In the interests of Christmas, I did not reply.
Chamberlain was a political thug representing an aristocratic/finance/landholding class whose overwhelming motivation was the preservation of their wealth and priveldge. If selling out British values and allies interests was the cost of achieving that aim, then so be it. He was the complete opposite of his father who actually possessed a moral base.
Ok Bons- never looked at it from that perspective. I am certainly not fond of the British aristocratic/finance/landholding class of which I regard the current king as a prime example. Her Maj would have been too of course but she knew how to avoid rubbing people up the wrong way. But still who the hell would have wanted another war just 20 years after the horror of WWI.
I would have thought Churchill was part of the aristocratic/finance/landholding class too. I’ve never liked his attitude to Australia either.
From Gaza to Sydney; that’s a long shadow.
Just home from Sydney – perfect Christmas Day with children and grandchildren. No arguments, apart from who was to commandeer the latest Playstation game, serenaded by grandson who is an excellent guitarist, lots of good food, fun and mucking about.
Same, Calli. Except for my momentary lapse in choice of topics, everything was excellent. Daughter excelled in presentation of lunch & the Christmas decorations. Even the dog was pleased to see us. But best of all was seeing, like you, the blossoming of the grandchildren into young men & women. Ours have had their ups and downs, but they made our hearts sing today.
Chamberlain knew a war was coming, but he believed he had bought Britain and the empire crucial time to prepare.
Plasmamortar 12:23 25/12
Thanks – a lot better explanation than what I could find on line.
Merry Christmas all
santa brought a history book written by some old codger named Tom … Lewis or something like that
and a bottle of Willett 4 Year Old Small Batch Rare Release Cask Strength Straight Rye
luncheoned today with the D3’s in-laws who were kind enough to include bogans like us
and I sat with the son-in-law who is getting through medicine right now, and his 94 yo grandfather who was a pioneering heart surgeon back in the day
is that an OAM pin in your lapel old man?
why, yes it is
back inside our cage now and just read Greg Craven …
MrCraven … I’d like to buy you a Christmas beer
Quite.
If you’re dropping your children off at a Jewish school, the lengthening shadow is apparent. I don’t expect others to appreciate it just yet.
Chamberlain believed that he had averted the prospect of war, by “appeasing” Hitler, over Czechoslovakia. Chamberlain’s whole tragedy was that he genuinely believed that no – one, in their right mind, would ever plunge Europe, into the horrors of another war.
No doubt, calli.
I was personally reflecting on who is chiefly responsible for that shadow in terms of political decisions – it is Fraser’s folly, which Bob Hawke – who should have known better – indulged for reasons that I don’t know have ever been fully explained.
Mmm. But they will refrain from a certain pagan custom mentioned in Highlander.
Historians have put forward their views, not least Winston Churchill, but Alec Douglas-Home, who was Chamberlain’s parliamentary secretary at the time of Munich and therefore present for that trip, was adamant that Chamberlain was not deceived by Hitler. Just about the last thing Chamberlain wrote before his death confirmed that. Churchill had his own agenda.
Looking through the trees to Siddy Harbour.
Champagne from the land of Britnah.
Oysters, prawns and crayfish with mango mayonnaise to start.
A massive lump of Victor Churchill slow roasted eye fillet with all the fixins for main, with a Coonawarra cab sav.
Home made plum pudding, vanilla icecream and custard.
Struggling through a final G &T before pulling the pin.
Chockers.
I’ve ordered Simon Heffer’s account of Chamberlains last letters.
Any good jokes about knickers?
The land of the Sans Culottes?
A Christmas Day thunderstorm is just arriving over the Cafe. Textbook day, nice as Christmas Day ever can be, well until the heavens opened just now!
Seeing no one else has put this classic Christmas song up I’ll do so.
The Pogues – Fairytale Of New York (1987)
RIP Shane MacGowan 25 12 1957 – 30 11 2023
If they made a British champagne it would be full bodied and tart.
Christmas at home with wife and children including our daughter from Canberra. Traditional lunch with family and some young overseas students who had nowhere else to go. Some cultural challenges but mainly from an oldie like me.
My kind wife got out my old scalextric set, assembled it and now a few of us are having races between BMWs, Toranas, Falcons and Ford Sierras. I am a kid once more.
My grandfather met Sir Alec Douglas Home but he was Lord Home then.
I think they do…I recall seeing it on Escape to the Country or similar.
Well, a sparkling white wine, anyway.
Nice one Louis.
My Xmas was made with the mighty Wolves defeating the poncey Chelsea 2-1 overnight.
We expect a review!
😀
Relinquished his title in 1963 to re?enter the Commons as Prime Minister, in succession to Harold Macmillan? Been some time since I read his biography.
Happy to provide one. I spend my money on good single malt, books and travel, these days.
Think I might have a piece of toast, possibly dry, for my evening meal.
Lunch was sandcrab lasagne, prawn/mango/ salad to start. I would happily stop there, but roast Turkey, ham and roast vegetables are apparently required or it isn’t Christmas. Then pav, and I made the cherry sauce for it which was in the Oz a couple of weeks ago.
No disagreements, which means possibly contentious topics were avoided.
Pretty warm day, “real feel” 37 degrees, but better than miserable rain.
‘Snow White’ Rachel Zegler and Disney Exposed in Cringey Variety Conversation
You do understand the concept of closing distance to pass with minimal time in the right lane don’t you? Not simply tailgating? Not being one of the people who sits in the right lane the whole way?
Of course, obviously entitled, not trying to drive safely and appropriately to the conditions. Like slowing down when the belting rain arrived.
Try to enjoy Christmas mate, not just stew and lash out.
Think so Zulu. GF and GM were in London in 1963 so must have been just before he moved to the HoC. He said ‘How do you do? I’m Lord Home’.
Or maybe it was on their visit in the 50s.
Iran Threatens to Close the Mediterranean Sea to Commerce
Hamas Shoots at Its Own Civilians, Killing Boy; Crowds Riot and Burn Police Station
Yes MacMillan stepped down after the Profumo affair and then Douglas-Home took over. Next year Wilson got in. Harold Will soon. No not even Harold would do that, oh yes Harold will soon.
WATCH: Astonishing Multi-Level Hamas Tunnel System Found, Hostages Recovered [murdered]
Europe on high alert as Christmas terror plots foiled in France, Germany, Austria
For Israel, God has a backup plan from Latin America
Oooh!
Harsh.
But fair.
Oh oh.
Serious doo doos.
Madam, being a farm girl, announced that it was nonsense that just because the kelpies had never been on a lead, they couldn’t be walked.
Of cause they pulled her off he feet at the first street corner. Hands up, it was my fault, I should have never given in and let her charge off.
It is quite amazing how much damage we old folks suffer from an act that probably occurred ten times a day in our youth. A fall ain’t no joke, she looks like a grandchild who has come off her BMX.
Rool Dool at 7:40.
Scalextric.
I used to dream about having one of those.
Maybe I still do.
Oof.
Scroll please as this is a long comment on the food we had at our family Christmas Eve lunch at my son’s home. It was a totally vegan spread, absolutely delicious. My DIL is an especially good cook and not a vegan of the finger-waving variety, her children eat whatever I cook when they are in my home and I am very much an omnivore, they love the vegan kryptonite – bacon.
Cocktails on arrival: Raspberry Eastside, Limoncello Spritz (homemade Limoncello) The Magic of Christmas Gin and Tonic and Homemade Bailey’s Irish Cream (packed a wallop)
Entrees were warm olives, vegan blue cheese (passable) and another vegan cheese not to my liking, glazed and very crisp tofu triangles which were delicious, little pesto-filled puff pastry Christmas trees topped with a star, they went down a real treat, betel leaves with a lemongrass and coconut filling.
Mains: Individual Wellingtons filled with duxelles of mushrooms, celery, onion and flavoured with thyme, rosemary and sage, each wellington topped with either an angel, a gingerbread critter, a star, a reindeer and so on.., accompanied by a gravy which was just superb, the sides were beetroot, rocket, orange and vegan feta salad, maple-glazed carrots, charred cabbage, leek and cauliflower gratin, spicy hassel-back potatoes which the Sunbather scoffed with gusto –
Desserts: boozy vegan ice cream, salted peanut butter icecream, Chilli ice magic and a chocolate berry tart that was sublime. And coffee to finish. A very different but highly enjoyable family lunch.
My DIL is a master vegan cook and her dishes are truly wonderful. BC (before children) she would take bookings of 8 for a 12 course degustation – the Vegan Experience. Can hardly wait ‘til she starts that up again to book such an experience for a group of friends.
Noice, one of the local bogans letting off fireworks (Prolly sourced from NT). Nice pretty show to end a Christmas Day. Can’t see the jacks wasting their time coming out with all the other crime in this area.
Sun came out when cooking lunch, the difference between the being under the hood and outside seemed negligible. Round 2 with this mornings storms on the way now, Charters Towers copping it at the moment…
I see.
Hope everyone’s okay.
Wild picked?
😀
I’m sure it was delicious, Tinta.
Tres droll — funny but. Ours is a high trust family and all are fine though did have to loosen my stays
Aerial is on the fritz because of the storm, so no FTA TV programs.
Watching the best Christmas movie ever on DVD a little earlier this evening than planned.
Die Hard, of course.
Zulu, very glad to read you spend your pocket money on man stuff. 😀 By the way, how’s the memsahib? Did you spoil each other today?
I’m sure it was delicious, Tinta.
I assure you it was Roger, I’m Italian it’s a pecato mortale to lie about food.
Where does the ‘Feast of the 7 Fishes’ Christmas Eve tradition come from?
CNA Staff, Dec 24, 2023
Arky, if you’re around, chapter ten of Judgement Day by Terry Pratchett, Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen deals with the origins of life from chemistry. There is a lot that isn’t known, but it’s interesting.
She”se mending, rather slowly. We’re going for lunch, at one of our favourite watering holes, sooner, rather than later.
. Most Europeans celebrate with a feast on Christmas Eve because baby Jesus was born on the evening of the 24th
She’s mending, rather slowly.
Zulu it has been a difficult time for you and your memsahib – I guess that as long as there is progress, slow as it may be, that’s a good sign. Cheers and best wishes.
Wolfie 25/12=a@ 7:54
Wolves was a great result in a weekend of stunning results.
The bottom 3 all got up and Nottingham put up a good fight.
Really Villa keep pushing to emulate a Leicster.
Burnley may have kick started the season with that 5:0 win over Sheffield.
I sense MU could be doing a 1974 fingers crossed
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Mathematically highly improbable.
Dr Beau 8:57pm
I was thinking of Arky this past week.
What has happened to him.
Saw Napoleon on Friday. After the first battle scene for the next 30 or so minutes I my impression was another Hollywood director ridiculing a brilliant man.
The coronation scene with the choir in the church I found uplifting, elavating.
Film was unusual, kept me interested but it was not connected through. The Russian campaign was a disappointment.
The battle of Waterloo was brilliant, the Duke of Wellington was a genius.
A s usual Hollywood ridicules a great man through sex .
Impossible even, as mathematicians advised biologists at an inter-disciplinary conference some years ago now. I’ll try to track down the reference but I’ll have to find the book first and it’s packed away. The biologists then accused the mathematicians of being creationists (in the philosophical, not the religious sense) but the latter protested that they could only report what their calculations showed.
Dinner …
Vegemite on Jatz.
Alka Seltzer.
Water.
the most misunderstood concept in physics
Water? Filthy stuff, water – you know what fish do in water?
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Just the information part is highly improbable.
Embodying it within a cell structure is even worse.
But underneath that is the further improbability of a universe made up of the chemistry required to build the information and the cells. All the little bits required just happen to be lying around waiting to be randomly assembled into the complex machinery required for functioning, living cells.
That’s ridiculous.
Ian Stewart is a mathematician. So am I. You aren’t.
I suggest you educate yourself.
Senor P
Scalextric.
I used to dream about having one of those.
Maybe I still do.
At my age it’s the equivalent of getting out the ELO or Alan Parsons Project LPs. A guilty pleasure. But there’s something about the tactile nature of the cars, track and trigger grip thingies. Much better than a playstation.
Arky, you simply don’t have a clue. Try reading the book, or at least the chapter.
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Admittedly I spent most of the years I was studying at the University of Melbourne Mathematics Department drunk, and I did get there circuitously when the Education faculty stopped teaching maths and unloaded a dozen or so of us, but I did complete a major in mathematics there. One of the few Education students to survive the transition.
Not sure I would go around calling myself “a mathematician”.
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Try me.
You haven’t presented anything yet, and I’m too old for homework.
Sister and BIL had been bombarded with their son, his wife and three kids for the last couple of days. They left early this morning.
They CBF with normal Christmas this year, so organised a picnic road trip with me and a fruitcake cousin who my sister finds entertaining. This clown was wearing a Soviet Union commie flag badge, and also a badge that was the Palestine flag with “Free Palestine” or some such. Tosser was trying to wind me up, but I didn’t bite. Sister told him no political talk etc. Thank god. He never shut up the whole time, though. All his wacky talk. On the way back I fantasised about exiting the car on one of the slow hairpin corners and jumping off a cliff.
Ended up in Apollo Bay. Lots of places open, including pub. Weather was atrocious. Shit ton of Indians and quite a few Mueslis out and about. Only Aussie I saw on the street was a dero looking dude sucking on a vape.
I know where life emanates from…
GOD.
Arky
What is the maths the origin of life.
I have read Darwinism has decimal numbers which are not re occurring and the Big Bang theory is not an even number.
Please educate .
Ok. If you’re too old to learn anything new, I give up on you. The material consists of a lot of facts and arguments that won’t fit into a short post, and short posts are, apparently, all you can now handle. That’s not something to be proud of.
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You take all the molecules in the ocean.
You estimate how often they recombine.
You take the most simplest possible single cell and the information required for its genome.
You take the amount of time that the oceans existed.
Then you calculate the probability of getting the required information. You can further extend it by estimating the number of Earth like worlds in our galaxy.
People have done this, including myself (very roughly because I don’t have the chemistry background to do a good estimate of how often molecules combine and recombine).
When you do the calculations, even with the most generous approximations, the result is that there is not enough time, not in trillions of galaxies, for the information required to arise randomly.
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Bye.
Zulu,
great to hear. The key word is “mending”. Whether slow or fast, as long as mending, that’s all that counts.
The atheists get around the problem in one of two ways:
1. By saying that there are intermediate forms before functioning cells, that are capable of a type of reproduction which were precursors to cells, such as prions.
2. By positing the existence of a multiverse.
Thank you. We have been advised that recovering from the effects of chemotherapy and radiation treatment can take years.
Cassie of Sydney
Dec 25, 2023 9:45 PM
I know where life emanates from…
GOD.
OK. Where does GOD emanate from? How or why does anything exist?
I used to fuss about that when I was a little kid going to sleep at night. I learned to stop caring etc. Nietzsche went insane.
Tinta,
we celebrated on Christmas Eve. Had a light dinner of goodies, then bus and train to our particular Church for Midnight Mass. When home, which was about two in the morning, we kids were allowed to stay up and pig out on goodies some more.
Next morning, before breakfast, the youngest family member would hand out the presents from under the tree. Then, a big cooked breakfast and playing with our gifts for the younger ones whilst the older ones and parents visited with others or others visited us. All day food and drink would flow.
Wow, that was a long time ago!
Yep. And it’s entirely credible. Try RNA and ribosome.
Something (possibly) intriguing to think about emerged from the trash Tucker Carlson was spewing during those UFO discussions.
The visitor mentioned that “biologics” had been discovered in these downed UFOs. From what I understood of these talks, “biologics” meant life forms rather than dead aliens, and the crashed UFOs were unmanned probes dropping life forms rather than being manned. According to what we know, probes are designed to crash land.
This relates to inexplicable occurrences like the Holocene period, which are periods of unprecedented life surges on Earth that defy scientific explanation.
Though I don’t think so, it’s something to think about.
My power came back on a little while ago. Five hours without it this evening.
Probably the greatest investment I have made since I came to live here was the LPG Genny. Worth every penny.
Die Hard, even after all these years, still a great film.
Money well spent, “when we had the farm”, was a backup gen set, big enough to supply electricity to all the houses “on the place.”
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I thought I was “unteachable”?
Either you are in or out, make up your mind.
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In regards to “entirely credible”, here’s the interesting part of that, I think:
We have all the bits, already created, which is the hard part of the problem, that is, we have all the atoms and the ability to assemble them into the required molecules to create the amino acids and whatever other molecules we want. Furthermore, we know the problem can be solved, also, we already have the examples (the blueprints if you like) of the final product.
But we are yet to do the easy part of the problem: reproduce even the most simple single cell critter, or even outline theoretically the steps to produce it, even under the most ideal laboratory conditions, never mind out there in the primordial soup.
We already have all the components. We know how they fit together. We have the prototypes. But we can’t make the bloody thing even under the most ideal conditions, or even fathom the details of how it might be done.
If life came from other worlds, it doesn’t invalidate the existence of a God. It basically means we may have to update our belief system away from the scriptures, which I guess is very problematic.
Will humans eventually try to seed the known part of the universe with life forms emanating from earth. I think it would be very possible in say a thousand years from now or in the long future.
Zulu,
I should have said “mains was off for five hours, but I had power the whole time because of my genny”.
I invested in a genny that is 3kva’s more than I need right now as I plan on building a shed to store the cars, machinery and hold a couple of stalls for livestock. I intend to run power to it of course. I have always held to “Tim the Toolman’s” maxim, what do we need? More Power! 😀
From the Oz. Emphasis added.
Again, when we had the farm, I’m remembering no power for twenty four hours, we relied on the backup genny. Some drunken swine had rammed a mains power pole…
There is no ‘before God’.
God is. God is existence.
‘Before Abraham was, I am.’
‘Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you’” (Exodus 3:14).
Love to the CATerwaul, a very merry Christmas to you all.
May your communion, abtusness and truculence reign.
Keep kicking against the pricks.
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I would like for others to chime in on the abiogenesis thing, from either side.
I don’t have the required chemistry or biology.
To all of you naughty little Possums who have had a nasty crack at me.. Hey perhaps I deserve a boot up the bum or several. ?
Christ is Born…
He should give Us a beacon ?
Like crude oil is abiogenic?
For Mine … I dont kick against any one. I continue to hope that people dwelling in anger can be brought around to Peace.
I am not some happy clappy engenue … I have seen nasty .. I didnt like it ..
Please Brothers and Sisters … dont imagine that by being spikey and truculent makes you informed.
Peace …
So it’s not life that can’t come from chemistry. It’s cells. And you can’t see how to get to cells, so it can’t be done.
The argument from an inability to imagine something to its impossibility is not sound.
Just looked back and saw the havoc auto-corrupt had wrought on a casual throw away joke.
Sheesh!
I have pointed out how to acquire some.
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I don’t care if it can or can’t be done.
I’m agnostic on it.
But no one has shown how it can be done, no one has done it, but all the bits are there, apparently thrown together by accident somehow.
Isn’t that curious? That we can’t replicate an accidental occurrence even knowing the outcome?
And that some are so sure it must be?
I doubt either of us have the biology and chemistry backgrounds to argue the details so that’s as far as I go: something some insist happened accidentally, randomly, can’t be reproduced by the application of the best minds with the best equipment. Why not?
@DrBeauGan ..
Indeed .. It is called “Argument from Personal Incredulity” … and when dealing with matters so beyond our present reach … I like to resort to the Driller’s Conjecture ” FIIK .. but only for now … we we work this one out but likely not in my lifetime ..
In the interim Peace …and best to all
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I have one year of organic chemistry at uni. I know enough to know I don’t know enough to see the required details, nor the time to get it. I don’t have the best part of a decade to get a doctorate before trying to parse the subject, despite my interest. And reading a children’s author’s chapter on it isn’t going to advance my understanding.
If you have a doctorate in organic chemistry, or nuclear physics, or both then I get your attitude.
Otherwise…
@Arky
In the History of Science there have always been ponderables for which we havent the slightest clue .. yet… “ponder on” we must ..
And be content to just be baffled utterly .. not for our generation … we have done much but cannot be expected to have done everything ..
In the spaces between wisdom and elucidation it might be best if We Humans preserve our resources by not trying to tear each other’s throats out like angry chimpanzees … The Planets Riches are not a Zero Sum Game unless we play the “hand like savages ..
Jesus Is Born …
An engineer is someone who can explain in multiple ways why something can’t possibly asuccessfully operate while standing in front of a working example. That’s about where we’re at about life – we can easily prove it’s impossible. Yet something we call life somehow crept into unknown chemical soups. We still haven’t figured out what it is, what life is. How did a chemical experiment end up with me.
@ Katzenjammer ..
An Engineer is a bloke that went Training as to how materials work in conjunction with the task on hand … figure out how specced the girders must be to build a bridge and in what particular configuration (for one example) . He relies upon the Laws of Physics .. at base and the experience of his profession to make a structure that will work …
As a counter example show yourself dancing in front of a bridge that hasn’t fallen down …
I know this sounds petulant but really the initial contention of your was ill informed and off your original contention ..
So you find Engineering unconvincing ? … do you drive over bridges ? Well if you do or if you dont what relevence has that to mysteries of morhogenisis ?
So a bloke can build a bridge that doesn’t fall down … a Aeronanical Engineer designs a plane plane that doesnt just fly into a mountain all by it’s self .. well not always ..
But the Cat love that you think like this … provided you can blame it all on Lefties !!
Speaking of damned Lefties ~spit~ and Engineers .. The Australian Taxpayer helped the Vietnamese build a bridge over one of those endless rivers they seem to have … They ..oops we paid for the damn thing … and the kids that put the pencils behind their ears got the job as graduates of Australian Universities … Engineers ..who would have thought those little almond eyes could have passed and exam ??? Round Eye Pay … gookie gook ..loove you long time
Yup that was the first one …
Wanna know what ? … They needed another bridge about 40 miles upstream …
And they built the bugger … and guess who got all the contract work? The Supply gig ..
Old Mate …. US !!!!
OLd Mate UWA .. and Australian Suppliers … OHHHHH FUUUCK …that sound a bit like we were consorting with Commies … Yeah best we stick to sending an utterly fruitless 500 million to Slava Ukraine … Full on Democracy there Cobber!!!
Also I hope you Folks didnt miss that Juillia Gillard flat out Gave 20 Mill to “You Go Gal ” AKA the Clinton Chick Fund … No account was ever given for that one ..
At least the gooks got a decent bridge .. well two actually … what did we get back? ..by way of ~baksheesh~ from our “Knitter of Kangaroos” …
And It makes me wonder why I cop so much Hate here ?
As I have always said … I am a person who is interested in propaganda. Can you people think for a minute , pissants that you all are , that there isnt a budget to subvert you people.? Not so much for who you are now … which is just pathetic … but for what you people once were … TLA … Never mind it will improve ( if you like being left alone) … because you will become less interesting and not so much worth subverting …
Mark, you appear to not know know jokes engineers tell about their own profession.
Do you?
Nor do you seem to know about the jokes that Geologists and Engineers and pretty much any one else that has had to spin a spanner …
Though you stand in front of all this Technology … Hey Sparky that Shit works … and pretend that because we dont have the answers to Morphogenisis right now … then none of what we do means anything …
potholer54 …is your Man ..Tooo Raaa .Golden Crocoduck is on offer …
But I don’t believe you are genuine ..
I Think you are taking the piss
John Spooner
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David Pope.
Christian Adams.
Michael Ramirez.
Michael Ramirez #2.
Gary Varvel.
Ben Garrison.
Thanks Tom.
We seem to agree that you don’t know enough for your opinion to have any value. And you are determined to keep it that way.
OK, folks. Time to talk about mathoms. Come on, fess up.
Mine this year was a gift pack of stuff like body lotion and spray allegedly with the scent of the peony flower. No prizes for guessing where it was manufactured.
I’ve grown real peonies, and none of them smlled remotely like this stuff, which resembled the odor of 25 cosmetic counters crammed into a small, airless room..
Off to the charity shop for this one.
On another note:
Nor do I, but there have been some heated arguments at Anthony Watts’ (WUWT) about abiotic oil over the years. Anthony has not banned them, as he has certain crackpot theories, so maybe there’s something in it.
Beijing got a white Christmas this year.
China’s capital gripped by coldest December ever as temperatures 50C lower than summer (25 Dec)
The usual suspects will say high temperature on one day in June was terrifying global warming but the coldest December ever was only weather.
Tim Blair in today’s Tele:
OUR COOL CHRISTMAS WAS A GIFT TO NONWOKENS
TIM BLAIR
26 Dec 2023
If this summer was any hotter, it’d be winter. Much of Australia endured sub-optimal weather on Christmas Day as global warming yet again failed to deliver local heat.
Had substantial heat arrived, of course, every left-inclined weather watcher in the land would’ve immediately blamed warming or climate change. But when raging temperatures don’t occur, explanations are far more complex.
Why was Christmas for many Australians cooler than average? Because of El Nino, news.com.au reported.
Plus an active Madden-Julian Oscillation across Australia’s north, aiding in the formation of monsoonal rain. As well as a positive phase of the Southern Annular Mode in Antarctic seas, driving rain and storms in the country’s east. And also a re-energised Cyclone Jasper.
End result: people turning on efficient coal-fired heaters to combat Australian summer cold.
As usual, climate change is all hat, no catastrophe.
At this point, at least during previous years, furious warmy religionists would begin yelling at me about not knowing the difference between climate and weather, angrier hurricanes smashing more cities, the scientific basis for warming generating cooling and so on.
But those responses are not so loud or frequent these days, possibly because we’ve been hearing about global warming, heating and boiling for decades – yet here we are, putting on jumpers in December.
Climate panic keeps crashing into reality. The “hottest year on record”, as claimed by warmies, ended with woollens.
Like all things woke, faith in a climate apocalypse requires that believers ignore the evidence directly in front of them.
Faith (in the form of climate evangelists) told us we’d run out of food by 1976, we’d enter a second Ice age by 2000, Manhattan would be underwater by 2015, the Arctic would be ice-free by 2018 and we’d have 50 million climate refugees by 2020.
Faith told us much else besides. Just look up Steven J. Milloy’s extensive and detailed list of failed eco-apocalyptic predictions.
Evidence, on the other hand, shows that we’re all still here, living on an intact planet, chowing down on abundant food, travelling over the place and in my case brawling with younger, fitter Christmas guests for a spot closer to the heater.
(Speaking of brawls, prepare in 2024 for the first footage from an all-in fists of fury smackdown at an electric vehicle recharging station. Reality-battered manufacturers are cutting back on batterypowered production, but there are still plenty of impatient EV queue bunnies waiting out there to punch on.)
Another woke belief took a hammering in 2023: the belief that Anthony Albanese and his creepy, ethically-flexible Labor comrades, of all people, are fit and proper appraisers of our morality.
By framing the Voice referendum as a contest between good and bad, Albanese, Labor and Australia’s left followed a woke model successfully trialled on sociology students and other lab primates before being unleashed on civilisation.
“Academics spent a decade constructing an intellectual framework for excluding everyone who disagreed with them,” US columnist and author Tim Carney wrote earlier this month.
“They created ideological litmus tests and tried to brand them as basic values. Who could object to Diversity, Equity, or Inclusion?!
“But it was all dishonesty. They really were trying to say ‘be a leftist or get out’.
“The last two months have exposed the dishonesty. Because dishonesty is always inconsistent, and really they are fine with hate and racism.
“What they hate is non-leftism.”
Yep. The exposed dishonesty mentioned by Carney refers, obviously, to the left’s continuing abysmal response to Hamas’s October 7 atrocities. “Decolonisation” is a core element of the left’s “Diversity, Equity and Inclusion” quest, so Hamas’s bloody savagery had to be forced into a leftist justice framework.
The trouble is, we’ve watched the videos (filmed for celebratory purposes by Hamas). We’ve heard the first-person accounts. We’ve seen the photograph depicting a mother and infant daughter bound together by wire and then set alight.
We saw their charred remains, still bound in death.
In short, we’ve seen the reality. Much more graphically and powerfully than in any climate arguments, that reality clashes with the left’s fanciful depictions.
It’s usually possible, in economic or climate debates, to assume a left-wing opponent’s basic civility. If they’re backing Hamas, however, they’ve abandoned humanity.
And they need to feel it. Burning shame isn’t a friendly gift, but it might make up for cold Christmas weather.
Excellent article about ‘transgenderism’ as a cult from a psychiatrist who was a Goth in his youth here.
more evidence the ‘Indonesian’ hospital was part of the infrastructure of the 7 October massacre including a stolen Israeli plated car
Hamas had been in control of Gaza since 2007, having build so many hundreds of kilometres of tunnels why wouldn’t all the buildings under their direct control, schools mosques, hospitals be linked?
Is anyone going to argue hamas ethics would prevent them from doing this,
The ends always justify the means.
They still think they can win or is the billionaires hiding out in Algeria or Turkey that have nothing to lose personally that are refusing.
Are the hamas twitterai producing their videos claiming to have killed thousands of IDF and destroyed hundreds of vehicles still playing let’s pretend?
ceasefire now
Call it what it is. Pro Hamas. Hun:
Disrespect and disregard is a mild way of putting it.
I would think the clink for a week or so might train the thought process of the lady.
Pesutto is not the greatest but at least he spoke up. Where’s Jacinta Allen?
meanwhile hamas supporters in the West continue to make new friends
Re the metaphysics spat of last night
Back around late 80s/90s New Scientist ran a cartoon strip documenting the life and times of a cage of lab rats. In one strip the rats were taking a course in human studies and a professor rat was explaining to the class how science had superseded religion: Take the origin of the universe for example, their old religious idea of ‘let there be light’ has been replaced by a scientific one of far greater explanatory power: Bang!
21 year with a box cutter should get charged with terrorism.
But it’s Victoria she’ll have been bailed and get a small fine or a community service order.
One can only hope there is a conviction which messes with future overseas travel plans.
Today’s Tele:
ALBO: VOICE A LOSS FOR FIRST NATIONS, NOT ME
ANGIRA BHARADWAJ AND ELEANOR CAMPBELL
26 Dec 2023
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has vowed not to give up on Indigenous reconciliation as he reflected on the failed Voice referendum on Christmas Day – doubling down on his belief the defeat was a “loss” for First Nations people, but not for himself as Labor leader.
Mr Albanese spent Christmas Day visiting his mother’s grave at Rookwood Cemetery, opening presents with partner Jodie Haydon – which included jewellery but not an engagement ring – and visiting Ashfield Uniting Church with the Reverend Bill Crews Foundation and NSW Premier Chris Minns.
The Prime Minister reflected on the Voice referendum in an interview with 2GB after initially leaving it out of his end-of-year recap video.
“I’m not Indigenous so it wasn’t a loss for me. It stays exactly the same way it is. I do think that it was disappointing for First Nations people but, you know, they are used to hardship … they are resilient,” he said.
“We accept the referendum outcome but I don’t think it means we should give up on reconciliation, we should double down on trying to do what we can to provide practical support.”
The Prime Minister said he was most proud of his $23bn relief package along with “restoring” Australia’s reputation internationally. “It’s been a tough time because of global inflation but it’s heading in the right direction, the economy, and that has taken considerable effort,” he said.
Later at the Reverend Bill Crews Foundation’s Christmas celebration at Ashfield, Mr Albanese reflected on Australians doing it tough.
“Can I just give a shout-out to those people suffering from floods in Far North Queensland and from fires in Western Australia and in some parts of NSW as well. This is a festive time, but for many Australians, it will be a very difficult time,” he said.
“And it’s been a time where we’ve seen the best of the Australian character that always comes out at the most difficult of occasions.”
Although he recounted “pinch me” moments in 2023 including having dinner with US President Joe Biden and his wife, he denied reports of getting special treatment and tasting a $500 bottle of wine while on a holiday in Western Australia recently.
“We paid our own way, flew over commercially, stayed in a place, went to Coles on the way and got stuff for lunch … and we went wine tasting as everyone else does,” Mr Albanese said. “The Leader of the Opposition (Peter Dutton) was on holiday at the same time and that didn’t get a mention.
“I think it’s a good thing that people holiday in Australia. That’s what I did for four whole days.”
Yair Airbus Anal…you spent the other 361 days holidaying, hobnobbing and sucking up around the rest of the world.
Editorial Page 56
Editorial:
NOT INDIGENOUS, SO IT DOESN’T MATTER
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese made one or two notable errors during his campaign for the Yes vote in this year’s Voice to Parliament referendum.
Significantly, as debate grew in August over the length of the full Uluru Statement, Albanese revealed that the issue was to him of little or even no concern.
“I haven’t read it,” the Prime Minister told a radio interviewer. “There’s 120 pages, why would I?”
It was around that point that polling in favour of the Voice really began to hurtle downwards.
Now, some months after Australians had their say on the Voice, Albanese has again made an apparent radio misstep. “I’m not Indigenous so it wasn’t a loss for me,” Albanese said, referring to the Voice’s emphatic 60-40 rejection.
“It stays exactly the same way it is. I do think that it was disappointing for First Nations people but you know they are used to hardship … they are resilient.”
In print, this possibly comes off as more dismissive and perfunctory than Albanese may have intended for his listening audience.
Still, the PM should review these words and consider how he may have found a superior way of expressing himself.
If a Coalition PM said anything so careless, they’d be crucified.
Reuters, what a joke of an outlet.
meanwhile in Nigeria
Black Ball
Dec 26, 2023 7:21 AM
I would think the clink for a week or so might train the thought process of the lady.
Should have been snotted along with her mate.
Or tarred and feathered as per the old days.
Haha Albo.
There is no loss for black fellas. None whatsoever. This I think proves that he is rather racist himself. Almost blaming us for Teh Voice failure.
That he will not accept responsibility shows he is unfit to be a roadside rubbish collector, let alone Prime Minister.
A month cleaning toilets at Montefiore Home.
Other governments take note.
link
A “box cutter”. Now, what does that remind me of?
There’s a 22 year old reason why simple Stanley knives are now considered dangerous.
On a stage with children, too.
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You are coming across as an evasive douche.
I’m sure that isn’t your intension.
I never asked you to point me to references to support your view. Sorry if I gave the impression I was after reading material.
I may once years back have asked your opinion on the topic.
I can’t recall the conversation in detsil.
Some very young boys in the video.
Hamas killed 150 boys building their tunnels and apparently recruit children as young as 11 and 12.
Also killed a 15 year old trying to loot an aid truck while two young boys transporting an IED were killed in Judea Samaria.
Kids raised to be cannon fodder.
The ends justify the means.
sending hamas apologists into fits
Gee that David Pope cartoon displays all kinds of Cope. What a POS.
Very much like our family, though we were very materially poor we were spiritually and culturally rich.
Those times might be long ago Pogria, bur isn’t it great that we can dip into those large deposits in the memory bank or look down memory lane and not see it empty. Merry Christmas.
Pope would I think be likely unable to justify the accusations levelled at those who voted ‘No’ on that flag.
But I should especially love to hear how he explains Terra Nullius as being inaccurate. You can bet he does not understand it as meaning – in its context – that there is not monarch or state running the place with which to open diplomatic relations.
The Brits did not call every place possessed by a less advanced society Terra Nullius and they did recognise chiefs and kings as the ones to negotiate with all over the place.
So what is Pope’s take? That when the Brits came to Australia they were already carrying a deep-seated dishonest prejudice against Aborigines before they even know they existed?
Is the War Really Worth all this Killing?
A belated post to thank all Cats for their posts (well, most cats anyway), and Dover for hosting such a great blog where mostly like-minded people can share their thoughts. Special thanks to Tom for the ‘Tunes”, those that post news articles etc , and Rosie and others on the current Gaza conflict.
A special reach out in support of the brave and proud Jewish Cats that post their thoughts and reactions (esp Cassie). I apprecaite it as it helps me see things from their perspective (as a white 71 year old male it is hard to envisage unaided) – it also reminds me to stay in contact/support with my Jewish friends in Israel, and elsewhere). So I thank you.
Mostly a lurker, although sometimes I am energised to post.
As an older Australian with a great interest in reading, I was thinking I should read Jane Austen (dunno why I haven’t read her yet?).
Could informed Cats suggest where I should start?
Also I have never read any Russian authors. Again, any suggestions of where I should start (War and Peace?)?
I live in Canberra, but am in Melbourne for the Boxing Day Test Match.
What are other Cats doing on Boxing Day?
Thanks in anticipation.
It always ends up this way with the Juan. Blown up every bridge in Oz.
Many thanks for posting Tim Blair in full, Beertruk.
He was a pack-a-day smoker until his recent heart attack.
I reckon the hearter has made him an even better writer.