Open Thread – Mon 8 Jan 2024


November Moonlight, John Atkinson Grimshaw, late 19th C

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thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2024 9:24 am

Put it on the next Space X mission to the sun.

What did the sun ever do to you?
Are you a pasty faced no soul ginger or something?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mbBbFH9fAg

Indolent
Indolent
January 10, 2024 9:25 am

The new narrative – excess deaths due to people turning away from vaccines, for some unkown reason.

Is Vaccination Approaching a Dangerous Tipping Point?

Cassie of Sydney
January 10, 2024 9:28 am

More suggestions…

Do you believe that the mass rape of women is legitimate ‘resistance?’

Do you believe women captives should be treated as ‘sex slaves?’

Do you believe the state of Israel should exist at all?

Bazinga
Bazinga
January 10, 2024 9:32 am

Hmm. Either referring to the AGW scam or Labor is communist is enough not to get published in sky comments.

Indolent
Indolent
January 10, 2024 9:34 am
thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2024 9:34 am

How about.
What part of Gaza was occupied by Israeli troops prior to the terrorist attack?

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 10, 2024 9:42 am

what is a decrepit grizzled old pony tailed fathead doing wearing his virtue daub in New Zealand?

Too right. Tell him to get on a plane and go and fight!

He’d look great in a sniperscope. For a few seconds.

Roger
Roger
January 10, 2024 9:43 am

Is Vaccination Approaching a Dangerous Tipping Point?

Predicted on the old Cat.

One thing that wasn’t predicted, as I recall, was an increase in truancy.

Seems the school closures prompted some children to realise they didn’t like school very much, so now they don’t go at all. Police here & in the UK have linked the phenomenon to the spike in youth offending.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 10, 2024 9:58 am

exclusive
Liquor Files: Paedophilia, underage drinking and DV plague Kimberley ‘party town’ Derby, secret dossier shows
Sarah CrawfordThe West Australian
Wed, 10 January 2024 2:00AM

It’s known as the Kimberley’s “party town” with four bottle shops for 3222 residents.

But the alcohol-soaked town of Derby also has the highest rates of liquor-related offences in WA and is plagued by paedophilia, underage drinking, child neglect, and domestic violence, according to secret police files.

The West Australian has obtained harrowing police statements from frontline social, education and health workers, taken in 2019, that revealed mothers complaining that children were being bribed for sex, and youths as young as 12 were presenting at hospital drunk.

The statements are part of a vast police dossier compiled under the orders of former Police Commissioner Chris Dawson (now WA Governor) in 2020 to argue for the banning of takeaway full-strength alcohol across the Kimberley.

The dossier includes a 2020 statement from Derby Police officer in charge Senior Sergeant Brendon Barwick which described queues of people waiting outside the town’s bottle shops when they opened at midday, Monday to Saturday.

At the time, liquor restrictions had been introduced to the town but Sen Sgt Barwick wrote they had little impact.

“Clearly most patrons can be seen purchasing their maximum allowances. Again,” he wrote. “From my observations this is one block of Emu Export and one litre of spirits per person.”

He wrote residents from mostly dry communities — including Kalumburu on the north coast and the neighboring town of Fitzroy Crossing — told police they were in Derby because: “It’s a party town. Alcohol is easy to obtain and there is not as many police as in Broome.”

Sen Sgt Barwick also described how the COVID-19 stimulus and job seeker payments, that were handed out to welfare recipients at the time, were being spent on alcohol that was then being poured out by police.

“When asked why they continue to drink in public areas and have their alcohol destroyed, they state, ‘We just go and buy more. We get lots of money, someone will buy it.’ This reference to ‘lots of money’ would appear to be associated with COVID-19 stimulus and job seeker payments.”

Derby District Hospital acting senior medical officer Dr Christian Wium said in his statement that child neglect is “alarmingly high.”

“(There are) infections that lead to long-term serious harms, injuries such as burns, and a perception that parents discharge their children against medical advice to attend social events,” he said.

“Children aged 12- 18 present drunk at the hospital; they present with general unwellness, issues with their stomach linings, or injuries.
A senior Kimberley doctor who has seen the devastation caused by alcohol abuse in Aboriginal communities believes government inaction on stopping the rivers of grog is ‘aiding and abetting genocide’.

Police believe at least 15 young people took their own life in the North West over a four year period because of the area’s systemic alcohol abuse issues, secret files reveal.

“Child sexual abuse and inappropriate child sexual activity is very prevalent in Derby. Some teens 14 to 15 get pregnant by older children and carry full-term.

“Some mothers in the community attend with concerns regarding sexual activity of their children by relatives, or those in the community who bribe the children; sex for rewards.

“The trauma to children aged 14 to 18 causes great mental health issues; their intoxication is becoming increasingly common.”

Derby District High School student support officer Samantha Little provided a police statement in 2019 in which she said the children she counselled aged 12 to 17 drank to “dull their personal pain”.

Perplexed of Brisbane
Perplexed of Brisbane
January 10, 2024 10:03 am

Black Ball
Jan 10, 2024 3:51 AM
Just in time for Christmas 2024.

Former Australian prime minister Scott Morrison has secured a deal to publish a book this year, with a contribution from a high profile US politician.

It will be a bestseller. Not because it will be a good book but the Hillsong devotees will all buy copies guaranteeing that it will enjoy a couple of print runs*.

*Including a sizeable donation to the church from proceeds.

JohnJJJ
JohnJJJ
January 10, 2024 10:03 am

I nearly fell offa me chair last night watching SBS news. It extracted from this quote ”
“The Moon holds a sacred position in many Indigenous cultures, including ours. The act of depositing human remains and other materials, which could be perceived as discards in any other location, on the Moon is tantamount to desecration of this sacred space.”

Great – as all the stars, sky planets are part of the..er..Dreamtime, we’ll need an Indigenous Voice for future space exploration. I wonder if the Kalahari Bushman, Norsemen, Mongols and our Indig have the same opinion. Now we need a World Indigenous Voice for Space Exploration (WIVSE) that must be consulted before any more exploration.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
January 10, 2024 10:10 am

It’s vital that we establish a base on a useless desert object (The Moon) in order to go further to a desert planet Mars.
Why?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 10, 2024 10:15 am

Do you play chess, sanchez? Do you, do you play chess, mortherfcker? Don’t test me.

I do play chess actually.
I have a bespoke set made out of titanium aircraft nuts and bolts.
Different sized crown nuts for the king and rook, dome nuts for queen and bishop, wingnuts for knights.
Playing a guy in China online at the moment.
Worthy opponent.
I am over playing the Ruskies. They keep offering to find a bride for me.
I doubt Mrs Panzer would approve.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 10, 2024 10:17 am

The Paywallian has a column describing Albo as “Morrison-lite”. Ouch. Only Teh Paywallian but you wouldn’t want it to become a trend. Behind on points fighting Tories. Can’t see another three days at the tennis somehow this year.

Roger
Roger
January 10, 2024 10:18 am

“The Moon holds a sacred position in many Indigenous cultures, including ours. The act of depositing human remains and other materials, which could be perceived as discards in any other location, on the Moon is tantamount to desecration of this sacred space.”

‘What did Christianity ever do for us, then?’

‘Um…well, it did desacralise the natural world, rendering it a source of resources to be developed for the betterment of humankind rather than the locus of benevolent and malevolent spirit beings.’

‘Yeah…I suppose there is that.’

KevinM
KevinM
January 10, 2024 10:21 am

Bungonia Bee
Jan 10, 2024 10:10 AM

It’s vital that we establish a base on a useless desert object (The Moon) in order to go further to a desert planet Mars.
Why?

Don’t know why, but dreamers are always on about terraforming distant planets.
Why not start with the one we have right here first?
At the least, it would give them the experience.

Plenty of places that could be made productive and habitable, but no interest.

Anders
Anders
January 10, 2024 10:22 am

News.com.au headline:

3 in 10 can’t pass this Aussie citizenship test

A shocking amount of people are failing to pass the Australian citizenship test, with the government being put on notice for ‘not investing’ in Aussie values.

A shocking number of people keep saying ‘amount of people’. People come in numbers, not amounts!

Bespoke
Bespoke
January 10, 2024 10:36 am

It’s the same old Skippy Super Chunk or whatever but with “plant-based” slapped on the label. The label-based incantation makes it worth an extra buck or two to unsuspecting Millennials and GenZ buyers who have been taught so little that they probably think that steak is A) Evil and B) Comes from a plastic-wrapped styrofoam tray.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 10, 2024 10:42 am

Re the guy in NZ wearing the Pally t-shirt.
He is clearly spoiling for a loud “debate”.
More reckless people than I would engage him in conversation, establish which flight he was heading home on and phone in an anonymous tip to the terror line.
I saw a guy in Takayama in Japan wearing some rad-reffo t-shirt referencing Straya. Same deal. Faux hippie but so obviously a retired pubic serpent or teacher. No doubt spreading the word about what a shameful place Straya is.

Diogenes
Diogenes
January 10, 2024 10:52 am

A shocking number of people keep saying ‘amount of people’. People come in numbers, not amounts!

Don’t get me started on less and fewer.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 10, 2024 10:52 am

Earlier:

Well no shit government yes man, there are no kids in detention because they are roaming the streets breaking the law

There are fewer youth offenders in detention because Gummint raised the age of criminal responsibility, thus making a large component of said offenders not criminally responsible for anything they do – and therefore can’t be locked up.

Yoof crime statistics have gone down for the same reason.

It’s a facade.
A ruse.
A subterfuge.

Dot
Dot
January 10, 2024 10:53 am

Fewer is superfluous.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2024 10:54 am

Some teens 14 to 15 get pregnant by older children and carry full-term.

This is a logical and intelligent adaption for those girls in the environment they are in.
They will now receive their own income, housing and support at the age of 14/15.

Thats not a good thing, but its the incentive being put out by the government.

Diogenes
Diogenes
January 10, 2024 10:55 am

It’s the same old Skippy Super Chunk or whatever but with “plant-based” slapped on the label

Remember reading many years as avocados were becoming a “thing”, people would pick through the avos looking for ones that had the “lower cholesterol” stickers on them.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 10, 2024 10:57 am

Fewer is superfluous.

Less people disagree with that sentiment than you may think.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
January 10, 2024 10:57 am
Diogenes
Diogenes
January 10, 2024 11:01 am

Less people disagree with that sentiment than you may think.

Myself and Mrs D agree with you.

Misuse of “myself” is my biggest grammatical hate.

dopey
dopey
January 10, 2024 11:07 am

I recall some scruffy academic years ago saying that because the West Bank was occupied, according to the terms of Oslo Accords, Gaza was also classed as occupied. Can’t remember his name, he often got a run on the ABC.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 10, 2024 11:16 am

Citizenship test blame game as fail rates surge

EXCLUSIVE
By geoff chambers
Chief Political Correspondent
12:21AM January 10, 2024
463 Comments

The number of aspiring Australians passing citizenship tests has plunged under the Albanese government, with the Coalition ­accusing Labor of neglecting to “teach new citizens what it means to be Australian”.

Amid a surge in post-pandemic migration and pressure on the federal government to manage immigration levels, new ­Department of Home Affairs data reveals more than 100,000 failed citizenship tests over a 14-month period between June 2022 and August 2023.

The tests, which include 20 multiple choice questions on freedom of speech, the importance of democracy and rule of law, ­require a person to correctly ­answer five questions on Australian values and achieve a mark of at least 75 per cent to pass.

Government data shows the pass rate under Labor has fallen to 65 per cent compared to about 80 per cent under the Coalition between 2017 and 2021. Since the May 2022 election, 288,603 citizenship tests were administered to August 31 last year, with 187,574 tests passed.

The citizenship test was last updated by the Morrison government in November 2020 to ­include a “dedicated section on Australian values”.
Take our Australian citizenship test

A practice test on the Department of Home Affairs website includes basic questions including what Australia commemorates on Anzac Day, the colours of the Aboriginal flag, the commonwealth coat of arms and the capital city of Australia.

It also includes questions about what happened on January 1, 1901, examples of equality and freedom of speech in Australia, what is a referendum, which arm of government has the power to interpret and apply laws, the role of the governor-general and whether people should make an effort to learn English.

The Australian understands the downwards test pass rate trend is linked with the 2020 changes and introduction of an automatic fail if applicants cannot answer the values questions. The Albanese government has made only one change to the citizenship test, reflecting the death of Queen Elizabeth II.

Under the Coalition, 684,208 tests were administered between 2017 and 2021, with 542,648 passed at a rate of almost 80 per cent. However, pass rates fell from 87 per cent in 2019 to 68 per cent in 2021 following the Coalition’s test changes.

Immigration Minister Andrew Giles said the government was “committed to a citizenship ­system that is fair, efficient and ­inclusive”.

“The Albanese government recognises that Australia is a country built on citizenship. We … will continue to assess the citizenship test to ensure that it meets community expectations,” Mr Giles told The Australian.

The number of citizenship tests administered in 2022 was not associated with post-Covid ­migration because eligible applicants must meet residence ­requirements. Those who took tests in the past two years have lived in Australia from at least 2019. A higher number of tests is expected to be administered this year as a result of the Albanese government’s new pathways for New Zealand citizens to become Australian citizens.

Hey, seems I can become an Australian citizen!

Winston Smith
January 10, 2024 11:28 am

Indolent

Jan 10, 2024 8:03 AM
After public outrage, the Penn statue is safe, at least for now.
Democrats’ Statue Toppling Is A Dress Rehearsal For Going After Actual People
NPS Pulls Plan to Remove Philadelphia’s William Penn Statue

And yet the grave of Karl Marx remains inviolate.
Why has no one shit on it?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 10, 2024 11:29 am

The Moon holds a sacred position in many Indigenous cultures, including ours. The act of depositing human remains and other materials, which could be perceived as discards in any other location, on the Moon is tantamount to desecration of this sacred space.

What a load of bollocks.

What was the moon in their belief systems? A luminous spirit? A lake of water in the sky that is the wellspring of all rain? The home of the spirits of their ancestors which spirits cause it to shine?

I will bet none of them are as imperfect sphere of barren rock and dust, revolving around the Earth, tethered to us by a gradually loosening bond which will see it eventually recede into the void.

It is a white circular patch in the sky which they have imbued with mythical origin stories – that is what they are talking about. Aren’t we entitled to what we think too? Especially when we can back up our version.

If the Japanese go to the moon, which in their tradition is made of rice cake by a giant rabbit, then what special precautions will they have to take trying to relaunch from the sticky surface into which they have started to sink…and what do you say to the giant magical rabbit?

Crossie
Crossie
January 10, 2024 11:31 am

Great – as all the stars, sky planets are part of the..er..Dreamtime, we’ll need an Indigenous Voice for future space exploration. I wonder if the Kalahari Bushman, Norsemen, Mongols and our Indig have the same opinion. Now we need a World Indigenous Voice for Space Exploration (WIVSE) that must be consulted before any more exploration.

The moon is sacred to me too, as a child I was told that the moon is made of cheese which I loved and adored. I used to go out into the backyard in the evenings and look admiringly at our natural satellite. Therefore any space agency that wants to land on the moon will have to seek my approval.

Bespoke
Bespoke
January 10, 2024 11:32 am

KevinM
Jan 10, 2024 10:21 AM

Musks wish to collinize Mars has led to cheaper rockets and statalights.

Dreamers have been the driving force behind humanity’s progress not the autocrats.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 10, 2024 11:39 am

The book promises to offer an insider’s account of Mr Morrison’s political career and his open commitment to the Pentecostal Christian faith.

No disrespect intended to Pentecostals or Charismatics, but I suspect I’d be alarmed at claims that Morrison’s chaotic, disruptive and ultimately useless political career was closely steered by the hand of God.

Although the speaking in tongues part might make it seem that way.

rosie
rosie
January 10, 2024 11:41 am

If aboriginal people don’t like the idea of man made debris on the moon, they can have a clean up the moon day and clean it up themselves.
I’m so sick of the pretence that we have to respect natural objects and if one more person uses the analogy of climbing cathedrals.
Because in many many places you can climb them, not to mention millions of gawkers being allowed to wander around them, mostly free of charge while Australians are denied the right to climb ayres rock and dozens of other natural features of Australia because of some misunderstood animism.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2024 11:41 am

Review of the one life movie.
Looks like it might be worth a watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ae46hTS6dY

And heres the actual bloke in the TV interview where hes honoured.
Brings a tear to a jaundiced eye it does.

https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1988-thats-life-sir-nicholas-winton/524868598192459/

rosie
rosie
January 10, 2024 11:42 am
GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 10, 2024 11:43 am

I have a relative who rose to be a General in the American Civil War and another more famous, who was only a Lt Colonel at the end of his short career.

Vicki
Vicki
January 10, 2024 11:43 am

I understand that many Cats are heartily sick of discussions of Covid and/or the vaccines. However, I have come across a fascinating discussion of a treating specialist physician’s opinion on this virus. I think it is important because it contests the belief of many (including myself initially) that it was no more serious than influenza. He gives detailed medical reasons, based on his extensive observation, why this is misleading. We really need to find the truth for a number of reasons. I am not able to provide the link but it comes from the Substack of Dr. Pierre Kory – though it is not certain that it was from his personal experience. So, with Dovre’s indulgence, I have copied most of the text.

I will state at the outset that I/we will be unable to fully “square the circle” in providing an explanation for all the anomolous events and data described.

However, as a clinician, the only point I wish to and believe I am able to counter is the assertion that “there was no novel pathogen.”

We maintain that there was a novel pathogen which caused a novel syndrome and that it was initially particularly deadly in many areas (Lombardy, NYC, Seattle, Detroit, New Orleans and others), and not just to the old, at least in my clinical experience.

However, what I cannot explain is why certain hot spots became medical disaster zones while other areas or countries, apparently not far away geographically did not exhibit such manifestations. I believe this latter question comes after we decide whether there was a novel pathogen. Then we can try to answer why this novel pathogen affected certain areas and places disproportionately.

One aspect of the “no new pathogen” camp’s argument is based on the existence of antibodies to SarsCoV2 found in numerous places in 2018 and 2019 before the Wuhan outbreak. Thus they conclude that the disease had been around, but the catastrophic impacts only occurred after the WHO declaration, media fear mongering and the illogical and harmful lockdown and mask and social distancing policies.

We counter with the fact that whatever was causing antibodies to be made in certain places in 2018 or 2019 did not have the pathogenicity of the “new variant” which seemingly escaped or was leaked out of Wuhan. I have one data point which might support the “emergence of a new deadly strain” of SARS-CoV2 from Wuhan:

In this WSJ article from August 2020, they describe a CDC “early warning system” for pandemics which was based on “listening” for key words across the global internet. In the article, they describe a post which was flagged by the CDC early warning system from a Wuhan Health Ministry website on Dec. 31, 2019 which had this recommendation: “Avoid closed public places and crowded places with poor air circulation.”

Know that to me, this is the first evidence that a pathogen was circulating in Wuhan with novel characteristics, i.e. the ability to transmit through the air. That is the only reason why a health ministry website would tell the public suddenly that they “should avoid closed public places and crowded places with poor air circulation.” I maintain that the Chinese knew immediately this thing was airborne. The article then goes on to casually state that the website post was taken down within hours. But it spooked the CDC. And it spooks me to learn of it. I believe this was the first warning that something big and bad had just been leaked or escaped and spelled trouble due to its high transmission properties. That is why they said to avoid poorly ventilated places. Know this was months before the WHO declared a pandemic.

And that by the time the WHO declared a pandemic and then ACM started to rise should be understood as that – a real pandemic of a newly highly transmissable respiratory pathogen had erupted. And thus, the ACM increases were not secondary to WHO declariaon of the Pandemic, fear mongering, and lockdows, but instead reflected the reality that a rapidly spreading viral illness syndrome was affecting a lot of people. Yes, the timing of the rise in ACM started only after the WHO pandemic declaration which is troubling to contemplate. However, as little as I want to give the WHO credit for any decision they have made, the declaration appeared to be supported by the clinical reality on the ground – lots of people getting sick with a minority getting really sick (a minority of a suddenly very large number of infected people such that this “minority” overwhelmed numerous urban areas in terms of hospital capacity). I know this did not happen everywhere, I personally do not have the knowledge or expertise to explain the transmission patterns globally, but my best guess is something nefarious contributed to the anomolous spread, something as preposterous as deliberate widespread release in certain targeted cities and areas.

Anyway, beyond the evidence above that a novel pathogen with significant airborne transmissibility likely emerged from Wuhan in December 2020, is the fact that Fauci et al immediately embarked on a massive cover-up of their bioweapons research being implicated (if not obvious, “gain. of function” research is bioweapons research). Why did they go to such lengths to cover up the origin of a pathogen “that didn’t exists?”

OK, back to the “novel pathogen” argument. I will relate some of the key points that I believe the non-clinicians overlook and why I maintain this was a novel and severe disease:

Outside of a biopsy of tissue or culture of a pathogen, there is no uniquely diagnostic criteria for any disease, certainly no single radiographic finding, symptom, or lab abnormality. All such findings are always, by definition, non-specific as they can be found in a number of diseases (the organs of the human body have a narrow range of symptoms they can express when sick, thus many different illnesses share symptoms and lab abnormalities. Learning how to discern among overlapping symptoms, findings, and test and radiographic abnormalities is literally the core skill of a medical doctor and why training is so long and why we need to see so many thousands of patients in order to acquire sufficient diagnostic capability. If you doctor long enough, you find that discerning amongst diseases is not as difficult as when you start out.

Further, what must be recognized is that Covid-19 is not just a few viral symptoms, but rather presents as a “syndrome” with a wide but predictable constellation of findings, and although a number of the abnormalities are non-specific, when they present in clusters or simultaneously, then you can differentiate Covid as a unique and/or novel syndrome by comparing to how pre-existing infectious or viral disease syndromes present.

Also know that in medicine, since it is rare for any single test, symptom, of physical exam finding to be diagnostic of a single disease, what physicians do as a core skill is to amass all the presenting data including “history of present illness” (triggers, timeline, context, contributing factors, medical history, travel), physical exam findings, lab and radiographic abnormalities etc) and then generate a “differential diagnosis,” ranking the likelihood that the patients presentation is one disease or another, something like, “these findings strongly support Covid-19 given bilateral ground glass opacities on CT, typical viral symptoms, illness beginning after a holiday party where a number of others also subsequently fell ill, the elevations in D-dimer, CRP, ESR, low lymphocytes, significant hypoxia without an accompanying increased work of breathing, and abrupt improvement in oxygenation after administration of ivermectin.” For example. Further, I would also then write “bacterial pneumonia is less favored given bilateral findings vs. unilateral, lack of consolidation on CT, dry cough unproductive of phlegm, lack of elevated neutrophil count, lack of pleurisy, obvious contagiousness as per history etc). Know that in the above examples, I chose a relatively “clean” set of findings which allows one to rule in or rule out a diagnosis. Certainly there were times where the totality of findings may be less discriminating as to cause, but in general, hospital phase Covid presented very similarly.

The strongest point that I can make is that, even if not ALL features below were present in the hospitalized patient, generally most of them were present, and I had never seen a syndrome with such reproducibility of this constellation of symptoms and findings, thus leading to what I felt was a high specificity of diagnosis. Making a diagnosis of Covid in the hospitalized patient was not difficult. In an outpatient whereby all you have is generally mild clinical symptoms to differentiate patients by, I completely agree that in many cases Covid would be hard to confidently differentiate from other respiratory viruses. But as the illness progressed and became severe, it had a unique set of findings on presentation and a unique trajectory once in hospital. Also know that Paul Marik was reprimanded for saving a mans life because he treated the man with a large combination of therapies which made up our COVId MATH+ protocol. Why was he “reprimanded?”. Because the man had had numerous negative tests for Covid, but Paul treated him for Covid based on his “clinical” diagnosis of the syndrome which was pretty classic. Nothing else fit better than the diagnosis of COVId, despite the negative PCR test. So Paul treated him and he survived but this did not stop his actions from appearing as a complaint in his personnel file.

Again, the “specificity” was a cluster of findings, not any individual one! When 8 out of the ten findings are present, you have a diagnosis. When 6 out of the 10, you still have a confident diagnosis. And then, just to add to the complexity, there are also, like with any disease we study and treat, “atypical” presentations, like my oldest and best friend who simply got nauseous, started projectile vomiting, went to hospital and was eventually diagnosed with adult onset multi-system inflammatory syndrome related to Covid (note he was Covid positive on admission). But know that he never had a preceding upper respiratory symptom however all the other findings were consistent with the new rarer syndrome of MISC-A.. So, atypical presentation, but his eventual A-MISC syndrome has criteria for diagnosis and he met all of them. I have also seen, on few occasions, other presentations that were atypical, i.e. more GI predominant than respiratory but the response to treatment was the same.

The unique “collection” of findings in the initial hospital presentation were as follows:
A viral phase preceding the pulmonary phase, the latter of which befell a minority of those with the initial viral syndrome, and typically becoming severe enough to need hospital for hypoxia/shortness of breath approximately 7-10 days after first symptoms. The reproducible timing of the “pulmonary phase” as I call it, was novel. We published a paper describing the timeline and characteristics of the phases in late December 2020 here.

Often presenting with “happy hypoxia” which is a clinical (i.e. observational) diagnosis not a defined mathematical one. In my career diagnosing and treating causes of acute respiratory failure/hypoxia, most patients with severe hypoxia evidence visibly obvious increased work of breathing with use of respiratory muscles, upright posture in bed, “tracheal tugging”, diaphoresis, abdominal respirations, confusion etc. An elevated respiratory rate is not what I use to define or differentiate happy hypoxia. In Covid, I kept seeing patients with moderate to severe hypoxia but without all the signs above of an elevated work of breathing. I saw so many patients whose oxygen levels and work of breathing were so obviously discordant and to me as a respiratory failure expert, I found this novel. And not only to me – early on, a number of us clinicans had debates among us as to why this was happening and it was my recall that I had only seen that kind of presentation in patients with the disease called “organizing pneumonia” or OP. Know that OP is not an infectious condition, although it can be caused or associated with infections, but its most common causes are either idiopathic or drug-induced.
There was a pervasive “bilateral organizing pneumonia” on CT scan (OP is an uncommon finding in general and “organizing” patterns are quite differentiating amongst diseases, especially if you solely compare films on presentation to hospital, not later on the wards or ICU’s as disease progress or secondary complications develop. I compare apples with apples ( films on presentation) and not apples with oranges (film on presentation vs. film after ventilation).
To give you an example of what really happens in Covid disease, look at this progression – note the presenting and two subsequent films are classic “OP” but then, over time, you can see consolidations, nodules, traction bronchiectasis, fibrosis, and DAD/ARDS. But the presenting film in the top left was classic and reproducible:

Patients often presenting with high ferritin levels indicating severe activation of macrophages (also uncommon, but can be seen with other viruses, however, the consistency of this elevation was unique).

Patients often presented with high D-dimers, CRP, ESR (markers of inflammation and clotting). Again, these are all non-specific findings, but when appearing together, over and over, helped define this novel “syndrome”
Often presenting with high LDH and quite low lymphocytes ( this latter findings was relatively unique and highly reproducibly found in the first wave).
In the first wave especially, lots of hypo and hyper natremia in the ICU which perplexed the nephrologists I worked with.

Often presented with complete anosmia or ageusia (loss of smell and tate) which would then persist for weeks to months beyond the illness (this latter “persistence” I had never heard of before, typically anosmia and ageusia are transient while ill with a virus and then they return once recovered). I was in an Uber yesterday with a driver who told me he hasn’t been able to smell in 3 years since he had “Covid.”

Often rapid progression to fibrosis on CT scans – this was novel to me, I had never seen such rapidly fibrosing lung findings on CT scans in ICU patients (again, not unique as there is a rare, rapidly fibrosing lung disease called AIP (acute interstitial pneumonia) but it is very rare and does not present in the context of the syndrome above.

High rates of ME/CFS (myalgic encephalitis/chronic fatigue syndrome a.k.a Long Covid) compared to what has been described with other viruses as per this Mayo Clinic paper. Long Vax is actually more common than Long Covid and those patients are on average, sicker than Long Covid patients. Both diseases share the spike protein as the common pathogen, further supporting spikeopathy as “a thing.” Further, aside from the novelty of spike protein disease is the unfathomable complexity, this 40 page, 250 reference paper starts to scratch the surface of the innumerable now well described unique pathophysiologic mechanisms triggered by the spike protein. Spikeopathy is literally in the title of the paper.

High transmissibility with clear evidence of aerosol spread – I have never seen a disease which spread so rapidly and widely, with numerous super-spreader events, well described in the media and the CDC. Know that none of the other common respiratory viruses we see (flu, RSV, rhino, regular corona) transmit by aerosols to a significant extent (all are thought to be capable in certain discrete circumstances, but this thing was “suddenly” airborne). I wrote on Op-Ed on aerosol spread in April 2020, first accepted by NY Times in May, then dropped, then published in USA today in July of 2020 which detailed numerous instances supporting the reality of aerosol spread. The contagiousness within families and after group events despite social distancing and masks were consistent and reproducible (even my own household saw such spreads, multiple times). The best explanation for the mis-understanding and under-emphasizing of the reality of predominance of aerosol spread can be found in the Chapter “Belief #1” in the book by Clare Craig called “Expired.”

An unusually high number of pneumothoraces and pneumomediastinum on presentation to hospital (holes in lung developed, causing air to leak out either around the lung (pneumothorax) or in the center of the chest (pneumomediastinum). Outside of someone with a chronic lung disease this is extremely rare to occur spontaneously in patients with a pre-morbid healthy lungs. When it occurs spontaneously, it typically only occurs in thin, tall young men and women and occurs idiopathically – but we were seeing a lot of them – again, very rare for a viral infection to produce a pneumothorax in native, healthy lung. However, although I saw this numerous times, it was still relatively rare amongst the total population of patients, but was far more frequent than in any other acute illness i have encountered.

Lots of deep venous thromboses and pulmonary emboli on admission or soon after admission, i.e very high rates of macro and micro clotting (microclotting, like turbo cancer are new medical terms by the way, only intorduced since Covid (revesing the micro-clotting/aggregation of red blood cells is one way in which ivermectin works and has been associated with rapid improvementsin oxygenation, two novel insights since Covid). Also, I have never had a case of of a 29 y.o healthy male who died in the Emergency room from overwhelming right heart failure from a massive PE about 5 days into his symptoms. Nasty nasty nasty. Nor have I seen dialysis circuits where you could see the clots in the tubing as a regular occurrence (saw this in the 2nd Covid patient I encountered). Nor had I heard of such reproducible difficulty with drawing bloods or blood then clotting in the collection tubes. Again, I wrote a paper about the incidence of hypercoagulability with near zero fibrinolysis in ICU patients and I started writing that after my 4th patient. Again, this pattern can sometimes be seen in other critical illness, but it was so reproducible/identical between patients (in the first wave).

In terms of how deadly it was, this also gets complicated because the disease changed over the past few years, and despite the seemingly low Infection Fatality Rate, it is the opinion of my colleague A Midwestern Doctor that it is impossible to calculate the true IFR for influenza so a direct comparison between the two is not possible.

One other troublingly unique aspect was that in the first wave in NY, doctors and nurses were dying on the front lines. One of the first to die was an absolute giant of my specialty, he died in Seattle right after their first influx of patients. I have NEVER lost a colleague to the same disease we were treating.. ever. And I knew of at least 3 who died in the first wave of Covid. And that’s just me.

The trajectory of illness in the hospital and ICU, for me as an pulmonologist and ICU specialist was also novel in that patients with hypoxia and CT scan changes would require high fractions of oxygen initially, could breathe without distress, but then over days to a week, the lung changes would advance/worsen, distress would develop, non-invasive or invasive ventilation would then be required, and once on a vent, would require weeks before recovery or death (yes there was a minority who died fairly quickly). However, the “prolonged stability” of these patients was unique to me in that, in critical illness, once you have an advanced organ failure like heart or lung failure, the typical trajectory is patients “declare themselves” in the first 4 days of ICU, meaning they start to evince a slow or rapid deterioration or a slow or rapid improvement. But you see changes daily. However, in Covid patients, day after day very little would “budge”, either good or bad. Weird I tell you.

Again, the main thrust of my argument is that there was a constellation of symptoms and findings that presented in a novel and unique combination, it was not any one single finding that gave it its uniqueness, as there are very few “pathognomonic” findings in medicine, as in, very rare to have an abnormality that is present or specific to one disease, but this does not mean we cannot differentiate clinically amongst presenting illnesses.

That process is literally the core of what I do as a physician, I am first a “diagnostician” and true expertise in medicine is driven by very high level abilities to discern among patterns, i.e. pattern recognition, and the “pattern” of presentation of Covid was unique and easily discernable and distinct from other viral syndromes to a seasoned clinician. Yes, all ILI will have some combination of a cough, fever, head ache, sore throat, chest congestion etc… and yes, those alone are not easily differentiable, but when you bring in the timing of symptom development, context of symptom development (predictably timed after household or social exposure where others were or became ill), a combination of their initial radiographic abnormalities, lab abnormalities, initial dry lung (relatively rare in acute respiratory failure outside of asthma or COPD exacerbations) ) progression/trajectory of illness with progressive hypoxia and then progressing radiographically from just GGO’s to other more severe injury patterns like consolidations, response or lack of response to certain therapies, you become very familiar with what was a unique and novel syndrome.

Radiologic findings cannot reliably differentiate between Covid-19, influenza like illnesses, and bacterial pneumonia.
My response: agree and disagree as above but this is NOT the only thing we used, although using radiography was super helpful in discriminating, and yes, I can say this despite the papers showing relatively equal incidences of various radiographic abnormalities overall – you are overlooking timing and stage of disease where radiography is a much better differentiator than those papers suggest).. Also, if you accept this statement on face value, it essentially would mean that radiography cannot be relied upon to differentiate among infectious illnesses. Ask any doctor and they will tell you that radiography is one of the best diagnostic tools (never perfect, but hugely impactful).

Symptoms, clinical observations (Happy Hypoxia), and laboratory findings cannot differentiate between the above illnesses either
I simply and respectfully disagree – experts have pattern recognition which easily allows for this, and pattern recognition might be better explained as “intuition”, it is almost an unconscious process when it occurs but I have been successfully relying on my pattern recognition skills to differentiate among causes of acute respiratory failure for 20 years.

Following from the above, hundreds of thousands of doctors around the world were “fooled” into believing that this was a “new syndrome” while instead it represented illnesses long encountered throughout their collective careers, but it was the media, journals, and scare policies that made them view it as novel.

Why was it not the flu? Because, in my career, I have taken care of maybe 5 patients on a vent due to the flu and three of them (maybe 4?) were pregnant – over two decades and hundreds and hundreds of days running ICU’s. Flu rarely causes severe acute hypoxic respiratory failure in my experience, nor do we see hundreds of thousands of flu cases a year. With Covid, in NYC, it was difficult to run ICU’s because you would have 18-24 patients on your service all with nearly identical chest x-rays (OP initially, then progressed to consolidations and/or ARDS). I have never in my life had ICU’s full of patients with the same “disease.” This was novel.

Why was it not bacterial pneumonia? Well, from the features above, bacterial pneumonias are not associated with OP, are generally unilateral (the vast majority of Covid was bilateral), most often consolidative rather than with ground glass, accompanied by thick and/or colorful phlegm, can have pleurisy,, and when severe, typically causes severe sepsis/hypotension etc. Also, outside of TB, bacterial pneumonias do not exhibit human to human transmission so cannot explain all the transmission and dying unless someone was to argue that widespread immunosuppression developed making most of the population uniquely susceptible to bacterial pneumonia in their environment all of a sudden.

Note this was before the vaccines so I have no other possible cause of sudden immunosuppression amongst the population.. Again, bacterial pneumonias are random, relatively rare events in most people’s lives, and instead mostly tend to affect the elderly as they go into immunosenescence and/or develop swallowing difficulties.

In the young and healthy, they are very rare events. I had too many young and healthy (relatively) on vents suddenly – why/how would a bacterial pneumonia suddenly do this unless it was a new superbug which would have been quickly identified. True, people with viral illnesses can develop “secondary bacterial pneumonias” and certainly some/many Covid patients could have eventually developed a bacterial pneumonia, but this is NOT what brought them to hospital in droves nor was the main cause of death. I, like Jackie, and most intensivists, would do a trial of antibiotics at the drop of a hat if there was a suggestion one was occurring (new phlegm, white count, new fever, worsening in oxygenation, new opacity on chest x-ray etc). However, despite doing this, it didn’t matter, the patients kept dying in the ICU. What I saw as the main cause of death was an initial viral induced “organizing” pneumonia (organizing patters are not associated with bacteria) which slowly led to complete lung destruction from a rapidly fibrosing process, ending up in what is called pathologically DAD (diffuse alveolar damage) and clinically is seen as ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome).

I apologize that I did not have the time to find published literature “proving” under experimental conditions the contagiousness of respiratory viruses. I have treated hundreds of Covid patients where, when taking a history, the vast majority can clearly pinpoint the place or event where they contracted their illness, typically along with several others, and often after finding out later that one of the guests or friends became ill after. I have seen and cared for countless family clusters and seen passage from husband to wife numerous times. I have more than a handful of simultaneous husband-wife hospital admissions (something which effectively rules out bacterial pneumonia as cause), and in a few cases, only one made it out. I have been observing non-stop contagiousness (i.e. a symptomatic Covid patient causing an asymptomatic person to then become ill with Covid). Reproducibly and predictably. I am unaware I need to find a published paper that “proves” the contagion. Further, if contagiousness of flu or ILI has not been shown to occur in published literature, then this might strengthen our argument actually – that this was a pathogen of novel transmissibility.

That’s all I got. I am not sure if I “squared the circle” in terms of making coherent sense of all the data and viewpoints and I think that is because there are still things we don’t know about how and why the virus spread the way it did and why it behaved so deadly in some spots at certain times and not others. One possible clue might be this paper finding that all? variants were created in a lab. Their concluding sentence: “The analysis showed that Omicron variants were formed by an entirely new mechanism that cannot be explained by previous biology, and knowing how the SARS-CoV-2 variants were formed prompts a reconsideration of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic.”

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 10, 2024 11:44 am

Dreamers have been the driving force behind humanity’s progress not the autocrats.

Good point.
Sadly it’s becoming too complicated and expensive for dreamers to do progress in many areas of human endeavour – which leaves space for plonkers controlling public resources.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2024 11:55 am

Sadly it’s becoming too complicated and expensive for dreamers to do progress in many areas of human endeavour – which leaves space for plonkers controlling public resources.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 10, 2024 11:58 am

No disrespect intended to Pentecostals or Charismatics, but I suspect I’d be alarmed at claims that Morrison’s chaotic, disruptive and ultimately useless political career was closely steered by the hand of God

Hard to think we are being punished at the moment. For other’s sins,of course.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 10, 2024 12:00 pm

Sinning is largely beyond me these days I’m afraid.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 10, 2024 12:09 pm

Using acronyms not in common usage and not defining them when first used should be a capital offense.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 10, 2024 12:11 pm

I’m amused. See if you can guess what the bold solution is.

Scientists outline a bold solution to climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice (Phys.org, 9 Jan)

An international team of scientists led by Oregon State University researchers has used a novel 500-year dataset to frame a “restorative” pathway through which humanity can avoid the worst ecological and social outcomes of climate change.

In addition to charting a possible new course for society, the researchers say their “paradigm shifting” plan can support climate modeling and discussion by providing a set of actions that strongly emphasize social and economic justice as well as environmental sustainability.

Yep, you got in in one. Communism is the answer to not-happening global warming. What a load of rubbish, I’m sad that one co-author is from Sydney Uni. Figures.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
January 10, 2024 12:12 pm

Black Ball Jan 10, 2024 3:51 AM
“Most politicians write books about what they have done. This is not one of those books,” Mr Morrison writes.

There is good reason Mr. Morrison did not write a book about things he has done.

A book about what he has done would be thinner than a packet of Tally-Ho.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 10, 2024 12:18 pm

Working title for SloMo’s autobiography “Under the Bus”.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 10, 2024 12:21 pm

Bad fiction.

‘Cli-fi’ might not save the world, but writing it could help with your eco-anxiety (9 Jan)

The consequences of climate change weigh on all of us, especially as we face an El Niño summer, with floods and fires already making themselves felt in the Australian environment.

But even outside of being directly affected, there is evidence that mere awareness of climate change can be detrimental to your mental health and well-being. Terms such as “climate change anxiety”, “eco-anxiety” and “solastalgia” are regularly used to describe the negative emotional states created by thinking and worrying about climate change and environmental destruction.

If just knowing about climate change is emotionally difficult, what is it like spending years focusing on and writing about the topic? Research has looked at the emotional impact close engagement with climate change can have on groups such as climate scientists and climate activists.

But little time has been given to writers of climate fiction, or “cli-fi”—a relatively new genre of fiction focused on climate change.

The whole thing is nuttier than a macadamia plantation. Here’s who they are:

Dr Rachel Hennessy
Lecturer in Creative Writing, The University of Melbourne

Alex Cothren
Associate Lecturer, Creative Writing, Flinders University

Amy T Matthews
Senior Lecturer, Creative Writing, Flinders University

Yep, now English lecturers have found a way to tap into the oodles of climate money pouring into universities. Bookshops will soon be places only Greens would wish to visit.

Lysander
Lysander
January 10, 2024 12:21 pm

It is a white circular patch in the sky

The Moon is wacist!!!

Vicki
Vicki
January 10, 2024 12:23 pm

Some good news!:

CASH IS INCREASING IN MANY NATIONS SIMULTANEOUSLY. Increased use of cash is not just occurring in the UK. There are firm reports of this also occurring in Switzerland, Spain, Germany, Nigeria, Slovakia, Austria, and India. Austria and Slovakia have enshrined the use of cash in their national Constitutions which enraged the European Commission whose head is the un-elected, Ursula von der Leyen. Regular readers of BOOM will not be surprised to learn that the European Commission, the top body in the European Union, wants to destroy cash.

In the UK, the Post Office has been offering intermediary cash services for banks in recent years. Since the summer of 2022, there has been a sustained increase in the amount of cash being deposited and withdrawn at its branches. In November this year, personal cash withdrawals across the UK Post Office’s 11,500 branches totalled £878 million, the highest amount on record.

Crossie
Crossie
January 10, 2024 12:24 pm

Because in many many places you can climb them, not to mention millions of gawkers being allowed to wander around them, mostly free of charge while Australians are denied the right to climb ayres rock and dozens of other natural features of Australia because of some misunderstood animism.

Just look at the whole of Vatican, the seat of Catholicism, which is open to all visitors as is Gaudi’s Sagrada Familia in Barcelona. These were built to glorify God and his saints and for people to come and appreciate. Ayres Rock that God built via his physical laws and given to people to admire is now locked away. You can see the reciprocity, natural wonders to admire and man-made wonders built in thanks can in turn be appreciated.

Keeping people away from natural wonders is not honouring anything except misanthropy.

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 10, 2024 12:29 pm

Crossie Johnson is right!

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 10, 2024 12:33 pm

H B Bear
Jan 10, 2024 12:18 PM
Working title for SloMo’s autobiography “Under the Bus”.

Scotty from Marketing had prayer meetings with the Cabinet when in ‘Orifice’. And it wasn’t the kitchen cabinet. Politics and Religion should be kept separate. Along with Sport. FFS.

Vicki
Vicki
January 10, 2024 12:41 pm

There is still so much the public does not know about the origin of the SARS2 virus. During the Covid years, I recall that The Australian reported that th “bat lady” Sheng Li, had visited the CSIRO labs. I always thought this was fairly unremarkable since Australia had experience with bat viruses viz the Hendra virus.

However, what I did not know was that the Australian Animal Health Lab (AAHL) has been experimenting with live virus infection assays. This would be unremarkable except for the apparent gain-of-function experiments that were being conducted in Geelong’s BSL 4 lab in 2010 (this information on Substack of Phillip Altman yesterday). No doubt the precautions of this level 4 lab are fastidious. But gain-of-function research?

Pogria
Pogria
January 10, 2024 12:41 pm

Crossie,
regarding your cheese love, this clip is a little dated, but it still stands true.

mmmmmmmmmmmm cheeeeeese! P+

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 10, 2024 12:42 pm

From a book called – the ‘Duke of Hazard’ –

The late Prince Philip – In March 2000 –

In Canberra, Aborigine Bob Slockee played the didgeridoo and told Philip: ‘I learned to play on a vacuum cleaner pipe.’ To which the Duke replied: ‘I hope it wasn’t switched on.’

Zatara
Zatara
January 10, 2024 12:48 pm

Sadly it’s becoming too complicated and expensive for dreamers to do progress in many areas of human endeavour – which leaves space for plonkers controlling public resources.

Columbus, Cook, Magellan, Vasco da Gama – none of them did it on their own dime so to speak.

Marco Polo was doing business on the spice road so he probably wrote it all off his taxes.

Seems the secret is to find someone in govt with access to money, a sense of adventure (or greed), and no time or ability to explore for themselves. Give them a good sales pitch ala Columbus and Queen Isabella and set forth.

Roger
Roger
January 10, 2024 12:49 pm

Politics and Religion should be kept separate.

From what we here about goings on in Parliament House these days I’d say we’d all benefit from the fear of God being put into politicians and their associates.

Roger
Roger
January 10, 2024 12:51 pm

hear

John H.
John H.
January 10, 2024 12:52 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
Jan 10, 2024 12:21 PM
Bad fiction.

The whole thing is nuttier than a macadamia plantation. Here’s who they are:

Dr Rachel Hennessy
Lecturer in Creative Writing, The University of Melbourne

Alex Cothren
Associate Lecturer, Creative Writing, Flinders University

Amy T Matthews
Senior Lecturer, Creative Writing, Flinders University

If you’re wondering why the humanities have become farcical here is evidence. I lament the decline. These academics are being ridiculous, desperately seeking relevance.

There is a novel about climate change that precedes climate change. I thoroughly enjoyed it because it is not about climate change, it is a psychodrama. The Drowned World by JG Ballard. Reread it a few years ago.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 10, 2024 12:53 pm

More in yesterday’s predictions coming true today news from Reuters:-
Prediction: Massive falling out between airlines and Boeing.

WASHINGTON, Jan 9 (Reuters) – Boeing (BA.N), the main U.S. air regulator and U.S. airlines were still wrangling over inspection guidelines for 737 MAX 9 planes

Boeing wants it restricted to the doors. The FAA wants it to be a bit more free range. The airlines want it done quickly and want Boeing to pay.
Prediction: Certification of the Max10 will be a nightmare with knock-on requirements imposed on earlier variants.

The U.S. FAA could also take a harder line on certifying designs for other models, including required changes to the MAX 7. Boeing wanted an exemption to allow certification before the design changes that analysts say is much less likely now.

“Much less likely” means they will be handing out parkas in hell before any pre-emptive conditional certification is ever granted again.

John H.
John H.
January 10, 2024 12:54 pm

Johnny Rotten
Jan 10, 2024 12:33 PM
H B Bear
Jan 10, 2024 12:18 PM
Working title for SloMo’s autobiography “Under the Bus”.

Scotty from Marketing had prayer meetings with the Cabinet when in ‘Orifice’. And it wasn’t the kitchen cabinet. Politics and Religion should be kept separate. Along with Sport. FFS.

When Morrison won that election his victory speech started with, “I’ve always believed in miracles.” He was being literal, I’m sure he was saying, God won me this election.

Crossie
Crossie
January 10, 2024 12:55 pm

alwaysright
Jan 10, 2024 12:29 PM
Crossie Johnson is right!

Who is Johnson and what is he right about?

DavidH
DavidH
January 10, 2024 12:56 pm

Got this cartoon link from the comments about Boeing’s latest 737 mess, from The Register.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 10, 2024 12:56 pm

Dr F at 11:39.

No disrespect intended to Pentecostals or Charismatics, but I suspect I’d be alarmed at claims that Morrison’s chaotic, disruptive and ultimately useless political career was closely steered by the hand of God.

I think if ScoMo tries to implicate God in any of his shenanigans it will end up before Judge Lee in the Federal Court.
God isn’t particularly litigious, but we all have our limits.

bons
bons
January 10, 2024 1:00 pm

Sancho,

Because we were members of a number of volunteer commemorative groups in France, we saw thousands of Aussies come through.

We classified them thus:

The vast majority were informed, respectful and grateful. Community groups and school groups were always excellent. Professional groups were usually bored and indifferent. Our favourite was the Hunter Valley Trades Hall who led groups every year and ran the tour with near religious passion.

The ‘Little Aussie Commemorator’ was a loud mouth nobody who sprayed ignorance and expected the French to fall upon their knees in gratitude for their presence. Truely horrible creatures.

Aboriginal groups. There was a surprising number who would turn up, sometimes claiming some relative who was a victim of whitey imperialism. After our experience with Clark, we avoided them and their inevitable camera crew. Individual aboriginal families were usually a pleasure to deal with.

The retired hippy public servants, union execs, and teachers with their leather hats, thinning long hair and irrelevant slogan shirts and badges. You had to wonder what they were doing at the Somme. They lacked the mental capacity to understand that their Gosford passions were meaningless in the frozen wastes of Northern France. These bastards caused us some trouble on a number of occasions and often upset the local French commemoration volunteers. We became adept at ignoring emails seeking support for their visit.

The junior pollie annual holiday (fact finding tour) were generally pretty good. It was interesting to note how they walked on eggshells with each other. Always looking over their shoulders.

And, of course, Ministers, (and worse) senior public servants, their amazingly ignorant press officers and accompanying journos. With a few outstanding exceptions, they were venal scum, especially the public servants.

Finally there was a surprising group comprising Aussie expats, mostly living in Britain. Pompous, never satisfied, sounding off about Australia’s lack of commemorative effort. They were caricatures. A couple even wrote to ministers complaining about our lack of …. whatever. Only one minister, the fanatical publicity hound Moore, ever responded and actually attempted to force us to respond – nope.

The best official visitor – Tim Fisher. The worst, with clear air behind despite a crowded field – Grattan. The most surprisingly easy and positive – art groups.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2024 1:03 pm

Politics and Religion should be kept separate.

Nonsense.
Return to tradition can only be good

Moreover, Old Croghan Man’s nipples were sliced off, perhaps the most unusual wound on him. This is used as additional support for the interpretation that he had been a king. According to proponents of this interpretation, in ancient Ireland the king’s nipples symbolised the life-giving sun, and that sucking on a king’s nipples was a sign of submission. Therefore, the act of slicing off a king’s nipples could be regarded as a means to ritually “decommissioning” a king.

Done properly decommissioning our pollies after the count has finished could out-rate MAFS.

Roger
Roger
January 10, 2024 1:08 pm

When Morrison won that election his victory speech started with, “I’ve always believed in miracles.” He was being literal, I’m sure he was saying, God won me this election.

It’s certainly the sort of thing a Pentecostal would say.

Other Christians would be more circumspect, believing that while God is at work in all things, he has different ways and means and uses ordinary providence considerably more than miraculous intervention and that, for the time being, “we see through a glass darkly.”

The hunger of Pentecostals for miracles has always seemed to me to be exhibit a lack of faith rather than a large or deep faith. Perhaps they should read Job.

Pogria
Pogria
January 10, 2024 1:12 pm

Alabama Man must have aussie rellos. Takes “hold my beer”, to a new level.
I adore the way everybody continued drinking whilst offering advice. 😀

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 10, 2024 1:14 pm

Bons, I know it sounds a bit snobby to be embarrassed about compatriots abroad, but some are just that … cringeworthy embarassing.
The Pally-loon on the train and my reffo slacktivist in Japan are prime examples. They take every opportunity to loudly disassociate themselves from their homeland and “explain” their particular cause to any captive audience they can.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 10, 2024 1:17 pm

Roger

Jan 10, 2024 1:08 PM

When Morrison won that election his victory speech started with, “I’ve always believed in miracles.” He was being literal, I’m sure he was saying, God won me this election.

It’s certainly the sort of thing a Pentecostal would say.

Prima facie, it sounds very humble.
“This is God’s work”.
But it really has an edge of smug superiority about it.
“God has chosen meeee!”

duncanm
duncanm
January 10, 2024 1:20 pm

A shocking number of people keep saying ‘amount of people’. People come in numbers, not amounts!

50 gallons of Soylent Green, if you may.

calli
calli
January 10, 2024 1:26 pm

The most surprisingly easy and positive – art groups.

That’s really interesting, bons. I wonder why.

On Morrison and miracles, I simply took it as a bit of wry humour. That’s the way I would mean it anyway.

Meanwhile, the children are in the pool, the boys are at golf and I am sewing. Life is good.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 10, 2024 1:26 pm

Alabama Man must have aussie rellos.

Just read it myself, via Instapundit. He bought himself an urn!

(* that’s a saying which fortunately in this case is literally true.)

eric hinton
eric hinton
January 10, 2024 1:27 pm

Scotty from Hot Chocolate

local oaf
January 10, 2024 1:35 pm

And yet the grave of Karl Marx remains inviolate.
Why has no one shit on it?

I’ve got the feeling that Marx’ statue is now guarded as a result of being repeatedly disrespected by “vandals”.

Barry
Barry
January 10, 2024 1:38 pm

Vicki
Jan 10, 2024 12:41 PM
There is still so much the public does not know about the origin of the SARS2 virus. During the Covid years, I recall that The Australian reported that th “bat lady” Sheng Li, had visited the CSIRO labs. I always thought this was fairly unremarkable since Australia had experience with bat viruses viz the Hendra virus.

However, what I did not know was that the Australian Animal Health Lab (AAHL) has been experimenting with live virus infection assays. This would be unremarkable except for the apparent gain-of-function experiments that were being conducted in Geelong’s BSL 4 lab in 2010 (this information on Substack of Phillip Altman yesterday). No doubt the precautions of this level 4 lab are fastidious. But gain-of-function research?

You may then ask why wikipedia notes “It is not clear why there was a sudden increase in the number of spillover events between June and August 2011. ” i.e. did the CSIRO GoF work leak – causing a spike in infections in 2011?

Jikkyleaks may have an opinion.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
January 10, 2024 1:43 pm

That was funny Pogria, reminded me of myself at Bathurst for the Great race. Used to sleep in the car. Woke up in the passengers seat but had slid under the dash. Took ages to get out.

alwaysright
alwaysright
January 10, 2024 1:48 pm
Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
January 10, 2024 2:13 pm

thefrollickingmole
Jan 10, 2024 11:55 AM

which leaves space for plonkers controlling public resources.

Feet first?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2024 2:14 pm

The unthinking mongs mong opines.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2024/jan/10/australia-news-live-chalmers-prepared-to-consider-more-cost-of-living-relief-as-economists-tip-inflation-slowdown
At a press conference on Wednesday, Bowen said Peter Dutton would make a worse prime minister for climate change than Scott Morrison or Tony Abbott.

He said:

This is an opposition, which is not committed to real action on climate, which denies the science and denies action. They are a coalition of climate inactivists and cookers and they would cook the planet with their lack of a climate change policy.

We have a fanatic to too stupid to know the warm feeling in his groin is where hes shat himself, not a glow of righteousness

will
will
January 10, 2024 2:18 pm

thefrollickingmole
Jan 10, 2024 9:34 AM
How about.
What part of Gaza was occupied by Israeli troops prior to the terrorist attack?

All of it. It was occupied by Hamas as tyrannical thugs. They liked to “fight Tories”.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
January 10, 2024 2:19 pm

Apologies if already mentioned –

When you’ve lost the GayBeeCee…..
Anthony Albanese has taken aim at the ABC’s Michael Rowland in a head-to-head clash in which he accused the host of playing “word games”.
The Prime Minister made the comment after he was repeatedly asked why he refused to use the word “promise” when asked about his commitment to the contentious stage three tax cuts.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 10, 2024 2:19 pm

DavidH
Jan 10, 2024 12:56 PM
Got this cartoon link from the comments about Boeing’s latest 737 mess, from The Register.

Oh, that is so so good.

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I remember when the Turkish Airlines DC10 cargo door blew out in the 1970s taking off from Paris Airport (from memory). Could be wrong though. That put the collywobbles on DC10 sales.

Diogenes
Diogenes
January 10, 2024 2:21 pm

This is an opposition, which is not committed to real action on climate, which denies the science and denies action.

He says that like it’s a bad thing.

Dot
Dot
January 10, 2024 2:21 pm

When Morrison won that election his victory speech started with, “I’ve always believed in miracles.” He was being literal, I’m sure he was saying, God won me this election.

I hope a high level of sentient humans here are recognisant with the fact that Shorten talking up an electric car scheme was the double edged, Jacob’s Ladder miracle that only comes around every 25 years or so.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 10, 2024 2:22 pm

Old School Conservative
Jan 10, 2024 2:19 PM
Apologies if already mentioned –

When you’ve lost the GayBeeCee…..

It’s only semantics. Airbus/Tennis Elbow is still looking up the meaning.

A week is a long time in politics – Harold Wilson (another LayBore PM – UK PM).

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 10, 2024 2:23 pm

In Long Knives news:

Morrison-lite PM ‘leads’ by dumping fight for the republic
[Unlinkable OZ]

Fresh from eschewing any responsibility for the Albanese voice, the Prime Minister now has dumped the republic – putting it, like Indigenous issues, on the never-never list.

Anthony Albanese would have you believe he’s a conviction politician. But increasingly he’s looking more and more like a confected and confused politician, mouthing the words he thinks you want to hear without the delivery or the courage under fire displayed by John Curtin, Ben Chifley, Gough Whitlam or Bob Hawke.

Albanese had carefully crafted an image of himself as a left-wing warrior. There was Tom Uren, selfies with British Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, an ale named after him and a teenage heart-throb “DJ Albo” T-shirt produced by adoring fans. (Remember he simply loved “fighting Tories”?)

As the heavy demands of his office were thrust upon him throughout 2023, the Albanese image has dissolved. Granted Scott Morrison lost the last election, but Albanese looks like the dog who caught the car; now all he seems to want is accolades and victory laps in Toto One. He also has benefited from a weak and compliant Labor caucus that looks increasingly like a room of shrooms.

So, nothing particularly remarkable in that particular character assessment. Handsome Boy man a complete tool, leading a team dominated by hopeless incompetents with no ideas to rub together – and facing electoral oblivion.
While working Australia enjoys the fumes.

Most sensible people would agree with this blindingly obvious commentary.

But – and this is a fairly big but – this beating with the shitty stick was administered by Cameron Milner; an ALP apparatchiks’ apparatchik, former Queensland ALP Secretary, and CoS to Bill Shorten.

A gee up?
Or the opening salvo?

bons
bons
January 10, 2024 2:28 pm

Yes it is a little surprising Calli. They were generally good fun.

They would ask for a briefing and recommendations for outlooks for their painting. After a day on the brushes they would consume an annual vintage and do it again the next day. Practiced stamina.

They often donated pictures locally. The school at VB must have a warehouse full of pictures.

These folks were social groups, not Australia Council snufflers.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 10, 2024 2:28 pm

This one’s for Cassie.

I’ve taken delivery of Seymour Hersh’s book “The Samson Option: Israel, America and the Bomb.”

Why do images of the blackened, charred ruins of the Gaza Strip, while the Pali’s on the West Bank are told “S.T.F.U., or you’re next” spring to mind?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 10, 2024 2:33 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Jan 10, 2024 11:16 AM
Citizenship test blame game as fail rates surge

Just wait and do this –

Exemptions To The Australian Citizenship Test –

You may be exempt from having to sit the citizenship test if, at the time of application, you are:

Aged 60 years old or over

A person with a hearing, speech, or sight impairment

A person with mental or physical incapacity.

https://www.ahclawyers.com/news-articles/when-do-you-not-have-to-take-a-citizenship-test

And if you are under 18 years, then you don’t have to do it.

calli
calli
January 10, 2024 2:34 pm

These folks were social groups, not Australia Council snufflers.

They paid their way. Makes all the difference.

And…they had an interest outside politics and social manipulation. A creative interest which is even better.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 10, 2024 2:43 pm

Dr Faustus
Jan 10, 2024 2:23 PM
In Long Knives news:

Morrison-lite PM ‘leads’ by dumping fight for the republic

Not exactly as the ‘Assistant Minister for the Republic’ (and BTW who is he assisting?) or someone with a title like that stated that ‘The Airbus/Tennis Elbow Guv’ment will not be pressing for a Referendum dumb dumb bum bum on the Republic until a second term.’

And I stated in a previous post – ‘Wot’ Second Term.’ LOL

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 10, 2024 2:54 pm

More from the book “Duke of Hazard” in 1968 –

Prince Philip –

After a tour of Australia and New Zealand: ‘As so often happens, I discover it would have been better to keep my mouth shut.’

LOL

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
January 10, 2024 2:56 pm

Blancalirio provides a thorough assessment on the 737 MAX blowout.

You can sense he’s a wee bit pissed off.

“Yes, We Have No Bolts” 9 Jan 737 Max-9 Update

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
January 10, 2024 3:03 pm

Imemed….

The tunnel rabbis was too good to miss.
https://imgflip.com/i/8buf94

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 10, 2024 3:04 pm

Who is Johnson and what is he right about?

It is a joke from Blazing Saddles.

Everyone in the town is surnamed Johnson, leading to exchanges like this.

As Gabby Johnson would say: Reverend!

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 10, 2024 3:10 pm

Sorry, last should be

Reverend!

Indolent
Indolent
January 10, 2024 3:11 pm
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
January 10, 2024 3:15 pm

NEW OT, PEEPS!

Winston Smith
January 10, 2024 3:17 pm

Big Nambas:

The Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic questioned Dr. Anthony Fauci for seven hours yesterday (Jan 8, 2024) about his role during the COVID-19 pandemic. Dr. Fauci’s testimony uncovered drastic and systemic failures in America’s public health systems.

Perhaps the bastard will recall the pin number for his bank account which must be bursting at the seams from his COVID investments.

Jock
Jock
January 10, 2024 3:21 pm

I noticed the latest “CPI” number of 4.3%. As an old finance type I have always regarded these numbers as delusional. A mere shadow of the inflation for real people.
In particular I loathe the “swamp” saying that inflation has ameliorated or slightly fallen. In reality this is a 12 month number from November last year. What is never explained is that over the last 3 years to Sept 23 prices rose 16% in total. Realistically this increase has been “baked in” to the cost structure for Australia, particularly as the Unions force higher wages.

While its good that price rises are starting to slow, we need to realize that the damage has been done. Slack and wildly accommodative Monetary policy added to bad fiscal policy has come home to roost.

Winston Smith
January 10, 2024 3:24 pm

Indolent:

Jan 10, 2024 9:25 AM
The new narrative – excess deaths due to people turning away from vaccines, for some unkown reason.
Is Vaccination Approaching a Dangerous Tipping Point?

They’re missing the point that we are growing distrustful of the entire medicopharmacological Industry.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 10, 2024 3:27 pm

John H. at 12:54

When Morrison won that election his victory speech started with, “I’ve always believed in miracles.” He was being literal, I’m sure he was saying, God won me this election.

Peanut Head was certainly a gift from above.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 10, 2024 3:31 pm

Politics and Religion should be kept separate.

The lack of eternal damnation has always bothered me.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 10, 2024 3:57 pm

People come in numbers, not amounts!

“Tons of people turned up.”

Aaron
Aaron
January 10, 2024 4:03 pm

Woolies cans Australia Day.

This country is going down faster than a meteorite.

Get me outta here. This place is shot.

Winston Smith
January 10, 2024 4:10 pm

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Knuckle Dragger
Jan 10, 2024 10:52 AM
Yoof crime statistics have gone down for the same reason.
It’s a facade.
A ruse.
A subterfuge.

Personally, I think it’s bullshit but I’ll give you an uptick for honesty.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
January 10, 2024 4:12 pm

We spend a lot of money at woolies, well not another cent after today.
My wife agrees so woolies are gone from our shopping.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 10, 2024 6:52 pm

Aaron
Jan 10, 2024 4:03 PM
Woolies cans Australia Day.

The sooner that the Feral Guv’ment declares that Australia Day is Federation Day which is the 1st of January then the better. Federation of Australia was the 1st of January, 1901.

There was no Australia on the 26th of January, 1788. It was a Colony of convicts. FFS.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 10, 2024 7:04 pm

Katzenjammer
Jan 10, 2024 3:57 PM
People come in numbers, not amounts!

“Tons of people turned up.”

And the Italian migrants –

Even with Al Grasby and the Griffith Mafia growing the “Mary Wana” stuff. Junior Cretin would know I’m sure.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
January 10, 2024 7:08 pm

Big_Nambas
Jan 10, 2024 4:12 PM

You don’t even know your own history.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 10, 2024 7:51 pm

Vicki, that was an interesting paper from the point of view of differential diagnosis. As the author says, that is the skill and technical knowledge of medicine coming into play and experience counts such a lot here. (My Big Sis is a superb differential diagnoser, having had long GP experience and specific specialist training too). DD is necessary and admirable in modern medicine, so it’s good to see its significance being explained here. Yes, Covid looked like something very new and I always thought airborne too.

I have always had concerns about the early Covid presentations and morbidity/mortality rates being so locality specific, as I watched the deaths of young and healthy medical personnel in those early months, high in some areas but not in others. Quick viral evolution seems to be in play, and explanatory here? And I’ve always held that initially at least it was a vascular disorder in a lot of its its presentation, hence clotting was an issue in the AZ vaxxes which in that early stage were stabbing in the dark.

This author goes perilously close to conspiracy theories about gain of function, which we know did happen, but probably inadvertent lab escape rather than a deliberate release. Seeing distributions of new viral variants as a conspiracy is a bit much? Am I misreading him on this?

Be interested in your clinical views, Gilas, if you are around.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 10, 2024 8:02 pm

It’s all so absurd and Stalinesque that one is inclined to laugh. But of course, none of this is funny. Even worse, Republican leaders in Washington and GOP presidential candidates appear completely ignorant—willfully or otherwise—to what’s happening in the banana republic-style environment in the nation’s capital. And by the time these new tools of terror are aimed at them, it will be too late.

From Indolent’s link further back about the awful hounding of those involved in the demonstration at the Capitol on Jan 6th. What a beat up, especially given the many others by Democrat activists, worse and far more challenging to the rule of law and the Constitutional system than those on Jan 6th.

If this hounding isn’t put back in the box called ‘stupid’ and pardons, or at least the overturning of criminal convictions instituted for this political star chamber witch hunt. Also necessary is a proper judgement from the Supreme Court on Federal Democrat overreach re Trump’s right to his name on a ballot paper, being challenged due to Jan 6 nonsense beat ups. Unless a more realistic perspective is insisted upon, then America is done for. Welcome to democracy, Russian style. Defenestrations next.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 10, 2024 8:04 pm

Sorry. If … then .. America is finished. As I conclude .. done for.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 10, 2024 8:10 pm

There was no Australia on the 26th of January, 1788. It was a Colony of convicts. FFS.

the 26th Jan saw the introduction of British Law and the English language to define the future of this continent. That is worth celebrating. From this has developed the great country of many immigrants and aboriginal people that is Australia is today. Everyone has contributed.

I’ve called a BBQ with Lamb and am putting the flag out.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 10, 2024 8:16 pm

In recent years, there has been a huge shift away from Australia Day celebrations as more Australians listen to Indigenous voices who have labelled it Invasion Day.

How can I wean Hairy off his Woollies shop?
Their ‘shift away’ has been a Marxist plot. Don’t encourage it.

Coles now looking far more attractive.
I note Coles removed their ‘Yes’ material as they saw what was happening with the Voice and heard the views of their customers. I think I need to have a word with Woolies. Join me.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
January 10, 2024 9:18 pm

Roger 9/1 @ 12:50pm
My wife is the handy one too.

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