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Monte Carlo Seen from Roquebrune, Claude Monet, 1884

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John H.
John H.
February 7, 2024 5:00 pm

Russia Losing The Economic Battle

JC and econo types, care to comment?

I’ll be heading out for a bit but would like to know if this has any merit.

There might be something to it because there are many reports of freezing Russians due to a very cold winter, collapsing infrastructure, and fuel shortages.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 7, 2024 5:01 pm

And, for some reason, it had to be done by lunchtime. As if post-prandial executions have a lower impact

I would think it allows time to get back to the club for lunch. Of course.

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 7, 2024 5:04 pm

Respectful criticism, per Donum Veritatis is allowed.

tlhIngan Hol: tugh qoH nachDaj je chevlu’ta’.

Top Ender
Top Ender
February 7, 2024 5:06 pm

Queenslanders not happy. Then again they voted the clowns in who are running the show:

What should be the Qld Government’s first move to fix the youth crime crisis?
Better education/early intervention 3 %
Better rehabilitation programs 1 %
Boot camps 8 %
Parents held criminally responsible for child’s actions 11 %
Youth offenders for serious crimes are treated as adults 53 %
Mandatory minimum sentences 24 %
3054 votes

Courier-Mail article with poll at the end

John H.
John H.
February 7, 2024 5:07 pm

H B Bear
Feb 7, 2024 5:01 PM
And, for some reason, it had to be done by lunchtime. As if post-prandial executions have a lower impact

I would think it allows time to get back to the club for lunch. Of course.

Reminds of those studies arguing don’t go before a hungry judge. searching …

Lunchtime Leniency: Judges’ Rulings Are Harsher When They Are Hungrier

Judges granted 65 percent of requests they heard at the beginning of the day’s session and almost none at the end. Right after a snack break, approvals jumped back to 65 percent again.

Roger
Roger
February 7, 2024 5:08 pm

It’s a non-definitive act of the Magisterium. Respectful criticism, per Donum Veritatis is allowed.

I’m inclined to disagree based on my reading of the levels of authority of the magisterium.

But, in any case, the days when the pope could order the arrest of a lay civilian on doctrinal charges are long gone 😀

Unless you were teaching in a Catholic institution…in which case keep the integrity of the on-line alias intact.

Winston Smith
February 7, 2024 5:08 pm

My two bobs worth on the Islam vs The World issue:
The conflict starts with the decree by Islam that everybody is a Muslim at birth.
So anyone who belongs to any other religion is an apostate.
This gives Muslims the right – in fact the duty – to forcefully – if peaceful means do not work, to return everyone to Islam.

This makes as much sense morally and legally as me declaring that everyone is born belonging to The Religion of Winston, and that I am allowed to kill them if they do not follow the decrees of High Priest Winston the Magnificent, Munificent, and Magnanimous.
And yet 2 Billion people believe Islam and practise* it at any opportunity.

*In UK and Australian English, you should use “practice” for the noun and “practise” for the verb.

But it doesn’t look right.

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 7, 2024 5:12 pm

I’d rather die then drink 4X Winston.

P
P
February 7, 2024 5:14 pm

Pope Francis and capital punishment by Edward Feser – 2018

Pope Pius XII explicitly endorsed the death penalty on several occasions. This is why Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, as John Paul’s chief doctrinal officer, explicitly affirmed in a 2004 memorandum:

If a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment … he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities … to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible … to have recourse to capital punishment.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 7, 2024 5:14 pm

Did you notice that the immigrant population was only mentioned once, in terms of ‘doing the jobs no one else will do?’

I did notice that particular “dog that didnt bark in the night”.

JC
JC
February 7, 2024 5:17 pm

Who’s the real head of Judaism?

I don’t know enough about Judaism to comment about its leadership structure. Having said that though, there doesn’t appear to be agitation between Jews and Christians, so it not a problem. It would pose the problem if the relationship between Jews and Christians was as bad a Muslims and basically everyone else.

Or of Protestantism?

Protestantism is a broad description of various Christian sects that rebelled against the Catholic Church. It’s not a unanimous religion as such. There are Anglican, Lutheran leaders for instance.

Islam is decentralized and there are numerous schools of Islam and tons of muftis with their own ideas. I don’t see it as a religion in the same way as I see Christianity. It’s more of a religious/ political ideology.

Roger
Roger
February 7, 2024 5:18 pm

Queenslanders not happy. Then again they voted the clowns in who are running the show

Er…

60%+ of Queenslanders did not give their primary vote to Labor at the 2020 election.

We need electoral reform!

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 7, 2024 5:18 pm

Sancho

The expression is “Shoot one, educate a thousand”.

Perhaps shoot one thousand, educate a million is the speedier way to educate the large number needing education?

Winston Smith
February 7, 2024 5:21 pm

Old Ozzie:

The Comments on this article are pretty abysmal

I couldn’t find any comments, where are they?

Roger
Roger
February 7, 2024 5:21 pm

The conflict starts with the decree by Islam that everybody is a Muslim at birth.

I think that’s more a pious belief than an actual doctrine of Islam, Winston.

Mind you, it’s the pious ones you need to watch out for.

JC
JC
February 7, 2024 5:23 pm

Apart from some sort of feel-good statement, what could the ‘settlement’ involve?

No, It was more than that. There were continual discussions that went on throughout the decade from what I recall. It came to nought because while the RC would be talking to Saudi muftis the Muslim Brotherhood was left out, for instance. Muslim is a go for all religious/political ideology. It has no equivalence in the West except for say communism or Nazism.

JC
JC
February 7, 2024 5:23 pm

Oh and climate change ideology. 🙂

Roger
Roger
February 7, 2024 5:34 pm

Albanese has today pledged to end domestic violence against women and children.

And no Australian child will live in poverty by 1990.

It would seem strategists have advised him that the female vote is the only area where he can wedge Dutton.

Rosie
Rosie
February 7, 2024 5:34 pm

Off to Sardinia this morning, out on the quai, bit early to sir in the ferry waiting room. The bar this end isn’t open yet.
Just me and a flock of giant French seagulls, fortunately not directly above my head.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 7, 2024 5:38 pm

Bespoke Feb 7, 2024 5:12 PM
I’d rather die then drink 4X Winston.

I don’t disagree with your sentiment, however if offered a stark choice: “Drink this stubby of XXXX or get pushed off the top of Australia Square” – well I’m chugging down the Castlemaine.

Rosie
Rosie
February 7, 2024 5:39 pm

I think that’s more a pious belief than an actual doctrine of Islam, Winston.

It’s a novel pious belief, now fashionable in the West I suspect because nominal Christians are converting there is a level of discomfort with the indelible mark of baptism and claiming all as muslim including Jesus Christ Himself somehow overrides it.

Rosie
Rosie
February 7, 2024 5:40 pm

A variation on Satanists unbaptising morons.

Cassie of Sydney
February 7, 2024 5:42 pm

Winston is right. When you become a Muslim, you “revert” to Islam. All the prophets and Jesus are regarded as Muslims.

Black Ball
Black Ball
February 7, 2024 5:43 pm

As Cassie sez, disendorse these arseholes.

Four Greens MPs have been booted from the parliament after they held up signs that accused the Victorian government of “arming Israel”.

During a fiery Question Time on Wednesday, Greens MP Gabrielle de Vietri asked whether the government would cancel Labor’s deal with the Israeli Defence Ministry.

She claimed that without walking away from that deal, the government risked being “complicit in genocide”.

The Victorian government signed a memorandum of understanding with Israel’s Ministry of Defence in 2022.

The government has said that non-binding document aims to identify projects that could deliver manufacturing capabilities and local jobs.

Ms de Vietri said: “Now I appreciate the Premier’s trying to downplay our involvement as a state in the potential genocide that Israel is carrying out in Palestine but right now an estimate 100,000 Palestinians are either killed, wounded or missing at the hands of the Israel military. The ICJ (International Court of Justice) ruling has made it very clear that governments, all governments, have a duty to prevent genocide in Palestine. In light of this ruling, and the risk of Victoria being complicit in genocide through this agreement, will the Premier cancel Labor’s deal with the Israeli Ministry of Defence?”

After Ms de Vietri’s question, all four Greens MPs stood up and held signs which read: “Vic Labor Stop Arming Israel”.

They were immediately thrown out of the chamber for 90 minutes and received jeers and criticism from other MPs.

Premier Jacinta Allan slammed the action and said it is not the first that Ms de Vietri had pulled stunts in the parliament.

“We have seen a repeated pattern of behaviour from the Member for Richmond who has signed in visitors who disrupted Parliament during Question Time … it made me feel unsafe,” she said.

“Quite frankly, the Victorian community deserves better than this. I condemn that behaviour. It is unparliamentary but worse than that is disrespectful to the Victorian community, and particularly the Jewish and Islamic communities who are grieving for the death and loss of their families and loved ones.”

Ms Allan accused Ms de Vietri of misrepresenting international conflicts for political gain.

“Let me be absolutely clear, our role in this place is to provide support for people in our community who are hurting. The Member for Richmond yesterday was pretty quick to talk about a safe workplace and how she feels in this workplace. Well, have a think about people in our community who look to us for leadership and who look to us to provide safe and secure communities and not use words and actions like the Member for Richmond has done to further divide because that is all you achieve from this sort of behaviour,” she said.

Speaker Maree Edwards said she would request an apology from the Greens MPs on Wednesday afternoon.

“If I do not receive that apology, there will be further matters to proceed with,” she said.

Opposition leader John Pesutto called on Ms Edwards to get the Greens MP to undertake a pledge that they would not repeat any similar stunts.

“It’s clear that what was done today was not only an affront to the decorum of this place … but it was premeditated. They knew what they were intending to do. They knew and intended to cause mayhem. It’s not the first time,” he said.

FMD

Winston Smith
February 7, 2024 5:44 pm

Mother Lode
Feb 7, 2024 1:48 PM

As a direction changer, fans of SF may remember Larry Nivens stories where he uses a MacGuffin called “Wireheading”. A wire is inserted surgically into the users brain and delivers a minute electric current to the “Pleasure Centre”. The people who are unhappy, suicidal, etc etc, are encouraged to have these installed so they can lead productive lives.
Illegal drug use is largely cleared up because there is no pusher to control the supplier of electricity from tiny batteries recharged in the same way that you can recharge your phone.
Interesting concept, but unworkable – the pharmaceutical industry wouldn’t allow it.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 7, 2024 5:46 pm

It would seem strategists have advised him that the female vote is the only area where he can wedge Dutton.

Kids-in-short-pants due for a win. Been a while between drinks for the Liars. Brittany not here to help this time. Munching down on a croissant.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 7, 2024 5:48 pm

The expression is “Shoot one, educate a thousand”.

Im willing to trial the reverse as long as its Canberrrrraaaaahhh which is trailed.

Alamak!
February 7, 2024 5:50 pm

Interesting concept, but unworkable – the pharmaceutical industry wouldn’t allow it.

You mean ECT … I had thought it was done & buried after “one flew over …” but it seems to be surviving.

Roger
Roger
February 7, 2024 5:50 pm

It’s a novel pious belief…

I suspect it has some basis in the belief that all children are born with an innate faith in God. Islam, after all, does not have a doctrine of original sin. That has been embellished over time, but I don’t think it can be found explicitly in the Quran or the Hadiths.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 7, 2024 5:51 pm

Tell him to shoot him or I will’: Dispute over key SAS witness
Michaela Whitbourn
By Michaela Whitbourn
February 7, 2024 — 3.47pm

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There was “nowhere near” enough evidence for the judge presiding over Ben Roberts-Smith’s high-profile defamation case to find the war veteran ordered the unlawful execution of an Afghan prisoner by uttering the words “tell him to shoot him or I will”, his barrister has told an appeal court.

Roberts-Smith’s 10-day appeal over his devastating defamation loss against The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald entered its third day on Wednesday as his barrister, Bret Walker, SC, told the Full Court of the Federal Court that murder findings should not have been made against his client.

In his decision last year dismissing Roberts-Smith’s defamation suit, Federal Court Justice Anthony Besanko found the newspapers had proven the former Special Air Service corporal was complicit in the murder of four unarmed Afghan prisoners while on deployment in Afghanistan between 2009 and 2012.

Under the rules of engagement that bind the SAS, killing unarmed prisoners is a war crime.

Besanko’s findings included that Roberts-Smith was involved in three murders as alleged in a series of articles in 2018, as well as a fourth murder that did not appear in the reports but was part of the newspapers’ defence in court.

The fourth murder related to directions Besanko found Roberts-Smith gave via an interpreter for an unarmed Afghan prisoner to be shot by a member of the Afghan Partner Force in 2012.

Besanko found Roberts-Smith’s actions in delivering that instruction resulted in him being “complicit in and responsible for murder”.

A serving SAS soldier dubbed Person 14 gave evidence during the defamation trial in 2022 that this prisoner was killed after a weapons cache was found in a wall.

Person 14 told the court that combat engineers came in to clear the cache, and Roberts-Smith directed an interpreter to tell an Afghan Partner Force soldier: “Tell him to shoot him or I will.”

The direction was relayed, Person 14 told the court, and a subordinate of the Afghan Partner Force soldier shot the man dead.

Walker told the court that the combat engineers Person 14 referred to in his evidence did not give evidence at the trial.

He said Person 14’s evidence about the alleged killing should have been rejected by Besanko as “nowhere near sufficiently cogent as to make out the very serious misconduct alleged” and the judge had not engaged with whether the killing was likely in light of the “very tight if not impossible” timeline of events as alleged.

“Person 14 doesn’t do anything by way of reporting it,” Walker said of his actions in the aftermath of the alleged murder. He submitted that this had a bearing on the credibility and reliability of his evidence.

Besanko’s findings were made to the civil standard – on the balance of probabilities – rather than the higher criminal standard of beyond reasonable doubt. Roberts-Smith has consistently denied wrongdoing.

The Victoria Cross recipient wants the court to set aside Besanko’s decision and enter judgment in his favour, and to award damages or to send the matter to a different Federal Court judge to determine damages.

Parts of the appeal are being held in closed court to hear submissions relating to national security information. The hearing continues on Thursday

Alamak!
February 7, 2024 5:53 pm

It would seem strategists have advised him that the female vote is the only area where he can wedge Dutton.

Next election will be fought on Tax Cutz 4 Girlz … anything else considered to be full-on misogyny. Who can say No?

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 7, 2024 5:55 pm

Protestants don’t issue fatwas calling for the death of unbelievers.

Roger
Roger
February 7, 2024 5:55 pm

Next election will be fought on Tax Cutz 4 Girlz

Yes, that was a big hint as well.

Do barbers not get the tax cut?

cohenite
February 7, 2024 5:56 pm

During a fiery Question Time on Wednesday, Greens MP Gabrielle de Vietri asked whether the government would cancel Labor’s deal with the Israeli Defence Ministry.

She claimed that without walking away from that deal, the government risked being “complicit in genocide”.

Gabby is a looker. FMD.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 7, 2024 5:56 pm

Mother Lode
Feb 7, 2024 4:44 PM

A scathing Auditor-General’s report has confirmed what many travellers have long believed – the Australian Passport Office is slow and inefficient, and complaining doesn’t help.

Melbourne office of Births, Deaths and Marriages … “Hold my beer!”
Apparently a yuuuge number of them now “work” from home and simply do nothing. Nothing comes out of there short of six months.
So, if you are looking to get a passport, you will have to deal with both of these sloth-riddled cesspits in series.

cohenite
February 7, 2024 5:57 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 7, 2024 5:58 pm

NationalWACourts

WA career criminal to walk free after spending more than half his life behind bars
Heather McNeill
By Heather McNeill
February 7, 2024 — 12.44pm

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A West Australian career criminal, whose crimes include killing a pregnant woman and her young son and raping a woman inside her house, will be released from jail next month after spending nearly his entire adult life behind bars.

Kingsley Pickett, 45, has barely spent more than a few months at a time out of detention or jail since he was 14 years old, and is one of the state’s worst repeat offenders, with crimes escalating from break-and-enters to violent robberies and sexual offences.

During his application to be released from prison on Wednesday, the WA Supreme Court was told of Pickett’s “very lengthy” rap sheet, which started the year he turned 10 and was considered criminally responsible.

It included two counts of manslaughter for killing Margaret Blurton and her one-year-old son Shane on Christmas night in 1991, when he crashed into their car while driving a stolen vehicle and trying to evade police. Pickett was just 14 at the time.

He was given a custodial sentence for the deaths, but after his release in 1998 at the age of 21 he went on a five-day crime spree that included breaking into a Cloverdale home and sexually assaulting the 27-year-old woman inside.

A short time later he was involved in a riot at Casuarina Prison.

Pickett was sentenced to 14 years jail for the offences, but shortly before his release the state successfully applied for him to remain behind bars indefinitely as a “high risk serious offender”.

Numerous applications for Pickett to be released from jail have since failed, however on Wednesday, Justice Anthony Derrick granted his freedom subject to 45 strict conditions which included GPS monitoring, a curfew and regularly reporting to police.

Derrick’s decision came after a psychiatrist found Pickett felt “horrible inside” about his crimes, and that he had matured and had an “earnest and genuine” intention to comply with the conditions of his release.

“He stated that he had originally denied the sexual offences because he felt ashamed, but that counselling and support had assisted him to admit the offences and to lessen the emotional pain he had experienced when he was younger,” the judgment read.

“He stated that he had matured with age and had a great desire to return to the community to spend time with his family.

“The respondent stated that he was unsure what living in the community would be like given the length of his incarceration.

“He recognised that living in the community was likely to be challenging [and] … acknowledged that he would require support in the community to adjust and to reintegrate.”

Derrick said he was satisfied Pickett would comply with the conditions, which would ensure adequate protection of the community from the unacceptable risk of him committing a serious offence.

“I am satisfied that the proposed conditions, which of course include the standard conditions, are sufficiently extensive and stringent to enable the adequate management of the risk that the respondent currently presents to the community,” he said.

“The order should be for a period of five years.”

Pickett has spent more than half his life behind bars, with most of his offending linked to illicit drug use.

Winston Smith
February 7, 2024 5:59 pm

Frolickingmoll:

Housing becoming a pipe dream for young Australians
Housing affordability remains one of Australia’s clearest — and most frequently cited — examples of intergenerational inequality.
Over the past 20 years, home ownership has fallen from 70%to 66%, and for young generation the uphill struggle to break into the housing market has only become steeper. Homeownership among 25-29 year olds has fallen from 43.2% to 36.1%.1
For Gen Z the situation is looking even more dire with the hope of owning their own home turning into pipe dream.

Intergenerational poverty?
Are the parents who own their own home or two or three homes going to die and take the homes with them? All their superannuation and shares?
Bloody Hell! This generation is going to be the inheritors of one of the greatest transfers of assets in all human history and they’re already whinging about it already?
The assets will be in the trillions of dollars over the next twenty years!
Stop the whining you greedy little bastards!

cohenite
February 7, 2024 6:02 pm

Numerous applications for Pickett to be released from jail have since failed, however on Wednesday, Justice Anthony Derrick granted his freedom subject to 45 strict conditions which included GPS monitoring, a curfew and regularly reporting to police.

Derrick’s decision came after a psychiatrist found Pickett felt “horrible inside” about his crimes, and that he had matured and had an “earnest and genuine” intention to comply with the conditions of his release.

If pickett goes on a new rampage the judge and the doc are the ones who should be nuked.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 7, 2024 6:03 pm

As a direction changer, fans of SF may remember Larry Nivens stories where he uses a MacGuffin called “Wireheading”.

Winston – I wouldn’t call that a MacGuffin. Prophetic is a better word.

Elon Musk says Neuralink implanted wireless brain chip (BBC, 30 Jan)

Big Pharma would have a fight on its hands taking on Elon.

Winston Smith
February 7, 2024 6:08 pm

Zipster:
Nealy all the pros you speak of are, to me, negatives.

The car has features that petrol cars should have had years ago, like full remote control. You can turn on the aircond while having lunch and the car will be cool when you get back to it. Sentry mode records everything around the car continuously. Pin to drive means the only way to steal it is to pick it up and put it on a flat bed. No key, phone is the key, car opens on approach and locks when you walk away. Tesla issues over the air software updates every few weeks with frequent feature updates. Car notifies you of any issues via the app when you are away from it.

Do not want!

The car is so quiet you can actually listen to music.

Want!

Rosie
Rosie
February 7, 2024 6:11 pm

Roger I found an article written in English obviously by a muslim scholar that said it wasn’t a belief properly referenced. I linked it here at the time but can’t find it again.

In any case if everyone is born muslim, then everyone is muslim and there is no such thing as kaffir.
Right?

Rosie
Rosie
February 7, 2024 6:14 pm

I need more commas!

Winston Smith
February 7, 2024 6:17 pm

Indolent:
What Gina Carano says about “the Jews being beaten in the street” is quite correct, and it shows how dangerous is the line being taken by the NSW Police in regards to the “Gas the Jews” disgrace.

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 7, 2024 6:19 pm

Employees were so upset that management held an all-hands meeting over Zoom to placate them. Executive producer Latoya Raveneau said her team had implemented a “not-at-all-secret gay agenda” and was regularly “adding queerness” to children’s programming. Disney corporate president Karey Burke said she wanted a minimum of 50 percent of characters to be LGBTQIA and racial minorities.

Roger
Roger
February 7, 2024 6:22 pm

The assets will be in the trillions of dollars over the next twenty years!

Ripe for a death tax.

In the name of fairness.

Indolent
Indolent
February 7, 2024 6:24 pm
Cassie of Sydney
February 7, 2024 6:28 pm

The Greens need to be disendorsed.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 7, 2024 6:29 pm

The assets will be in the trillions of dollars over the next twenty years!

Yep. Can’t take it with you. Ask as Egyptian.

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 6:31 pm

So far as the Criminal Justice System works ..

I hate to burst the prurient bubble of some… it just doesnt work that way …

“Bubba” is just a figment of your imagination … I know how many of you glory in the concept but it is a myth .. at least in Australian prisons.

In fact a Man can say “Boss dont put me in a cell with XYZ … or there will be blood on the walls… put me in the SHU or put me any where just not with that nonce…it wont end well ” Where in Boss goes ;

” Thank You for your maturity … of letting us know up front ..” We will work something out ” And they did .

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 7, 2024 6:32 pm

The Greens need to be disendorsed

That schtick is very much for the true believers. Xenophonesque.

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 7, 2024 6:33 pm

Sigh!

Cassie of Sydney
February 7, 2024 6:35 pm

Roger I found an article written in English obviously by a muslim scholar that said it wasn’t a belief properly referenced. I linked it here at the time but can’t find it again.

In any case if everyone is born muslim, then everyone is muslim and there is no such thing as kaffir.
Right?

Well yes but Islam, just like it’s not known for its tolerance, is also not known for its logic.

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 6:38 pm

Listen to this and listen hard … it has a message I pray you will NEVER need but if you do …

Hope you have at least a slight “Heads Up”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJUHq5ympAc

calli
calli
February 7, 2024 6:43 pm

Do we really have to go back 500 years to find something horrible that the wicked Proddies did?

I could go the Oxford Martyrs for all the good it would do me.

This is historic wickedness.

Why not concentrate on the problem before us?

Roger
Roger
February 7, 2024 6:44 pm

Are you not familiar with Calvin’s Geneva?

If I’m not mistaken, Servetus had already been condemned to death by the Spanish Inquisition on account of his published anti-Trinitarian writings and was avoiding Catholic territories on account of that.

Further, Servetus was not prosecuted by Calvin but by the civil magistrate of Geneva.

That’s not to defend his trial and execution, but to put it in its historical context.

calli
calli
February 7, 2024 6:45 pm

Bother. I have bought into sectarian shyte.

As Bespoke would say…

*sigh*

Rosie
Rosie
February 7, 2024 6:49 pm

Sectarian?
There are possible parallels with book worship , fortunately one book is infinitely superior to the other.

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 6:50 pm

OK Lets just say I am a happy clappy fashoinable … what is ever your bag Christian … ?

A Moslem would say I was born a Moslem ..

(We Christians could make the same contention but prefer not to in the interests of not being boring)

If you call yourself a Christian would you be prepared to go … “But If not” ?

A Moslem says No we haven’t the authority granted to force you .. if we were to we would propound both you lack of proper faith but force you to be a liar as well – we would be complict in the Sin … you will meet with the Almighty in your own shape …

Malaysian Rag heads are OK by me …

calli
calli
February 7, 2024 6:51 pm

And that’s it for me.

Tomorrow might be better.

Roger
Roger
February 7, 2024 6:52 pm

Bother. I have bought into sectarian shyte.

Very difficult to walk the path of history without treading in it.

Rosie
Rosie
February 7, 2024 6:53 pm

Looks like I’m the only passenger on the return journey to Sardinia, they got me to put my suitcase in the car truck bit rather than lug it up the stairs, for which I am grateful, not a vehicle in sight though maybe someone arrived after me.
Sitting outside at the back, weather is mild and I get a view of both coasts once we exit the harbour, all of which is fabulous plus inside smells like fuel.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 7, 2024 6:54 pm

What a strange decision.
Though in light of the conscription of the Australian population into a drug trial I suppose my body/my choice doesnt matter anymore.

Teen who believed her cancer was cured by ‘miracle from God’ ordered by NSW court to continue chemotherapy
Judge found girl had ability to refuse treatment, but ‘sanctity of life’ was also a consideration

Meek found the girl did have ability to make a decision about refusing treatment, but that he had nevertheless considered that he should make a court order authorising it to continue.

“Events bearing upon the inestimable sanctity of life and its intersection with faith beliefs tend to give rise to some of the most palpable forensic debates and challenging legal decisions,” he said.

“The sanctity of life is an important consideration to be not merely accorded respect but appropriately weighed, as is the medical evidence, AC’s religious beliefs, AC’s autonomy of decision-making, and her right to bodily integrity.”

Forcing treatment on someone, outside specific criteria is an assault.
Either she is mad, or in some way disabled from making a choice about treatment, other than that this is a shakey judgement.

miltonf
miltonf
February 7, 2024 6:55 pm

Yes some days are like that Calli. I had the feeling this afternoon I should have called in sick rather than go to work. Oh well, tomorrow is another day.

Winston Smith
February 7, 2024 6:56 pm

Dot:
Feb 7, 2024 3:14 PM

I would be wary of any use of an instrument that deals with equity that is “set in stone”.
The supervisory role of the NSW AG and probate division of the SC can’t be understated.
Then there are issues of improperly “appointed” directors (shadow directors) actually exercising their duties in good faith. I’d err on the side of the court validating acts that were made in good faith. Dealings in land are a possibility here. A private sale to sell land above market rates is agreed to and a caveat is made.

This question has probably been asked multiple times before, but is there any reason my Will can’t be run through the courts before I kark it, so I can make sure there’s an outcome I want?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
February 7, 2024 6:57 pm

The Greens need to be disendorsed

If people were decently educated (I do not just mean school and the universities – they will require an Augean cleaning) the greens would shrivel into a little fringe party for people who wear rope sandals, thick rimmed glasses, and buy lentils by the hessian sackful.

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 6:58 pm


Feb 7, 2024 6:22 PM

Propps to you Mate .. You know about Christianity from a more learned perspective. I dont … I do the best I can with what I have.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 7, 2024 7:00 pm

This is supposed to be a “horrible Jews” pictorial, but its actually a great thing.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2024/feb/06/israelis-carry-arms-in-public-in-pictures

Cassie of Sydney
February 7, 2024 7:03 pm

A few years ago I read an interesting book on the reformation in Geneva. The book is a diary by a Catholic nun named Jeanne de Jussie. It is Jeanne’s account of how the reformation came to Geneva, and its impact on the community, particularly on the Jeanne’s convent, the Poor Clares and their families.

It was a tumultuous and revolutionary time. There were bitter disputes in families and among friends. Without a doubt Calvinism was the progressive wokeism of its time, it was always a far more radical theology than Lutheranism. What’s interesting is that many people tried to resist the religious changes and upheavals, but to no avail and so they gave in.

I see parallels with what we are living through.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 7, 2024 7:06 pm

Propps to you Mate .. You know about Christianity from a more learned perspective. I dont … I do the best I can with what I have.

Which doesn’t sound like much.

Roger
Roger
February 7, 2024 7:08 pm

…people who wear rope sandals, thick rimmed glasses, and buy lentils by the hessian sackful.

George Orwell noted the type already in the 1930s…

“One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ‘Socialism’ and ‘Communism’ draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, ‘Nature Cure’ quack, pacifist, and feminist in England.”

– The Road to Wigan Pier

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 7, 2024 7:10 pm

I see daytime soapies have been on in earnest today.

Specifically, The Bolton The Beautiful.

Digger
Digger
February 7, 2024 7:11 pm

Boeing 737 Max in door panel blowout lacked four bolts, regulator says

I don’t know the exact size of the plug but have seen photos of aircraft investigators holding it up on its side. It looks about 80cm x 150cm giving an area of 12,000 sq/cm.

The aircraft is pressurised to 75625 Pascals (0.756 bar)
The outside pressure at 16,000 ft (4877m) is 55479 Pascals (0.555 Bar)
Air pressure at sea level is 101325 Pascals (1.013 bar) [18,000 ft or 5,400m is half atmospheric pressure]

The difference between inside and outside pressure is near enough 20,000 Pascals (0.2 Bar) or 0.2 kilogram per square centimetre.

12,000 x 0.2 = 2,400 kg. Therefore the total force on that plug at 16,000′ was 2.4 tonne pushing outwards.

I can understand the requirement for an aircraft door to open outwards and there are significant diameter stainless steen locking bars to prevent it blowing out.

For the life of me I cannot understand why door plugs, which don’t have to open are not fitted with a flange around the plug on the inside of the aircraft so pressure differential helps to seal it better and it is impossible to blow out.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
February 7, 2024 7:12 pm

The sanctity of life is an important consideration to be not merely accorded respect but appropriately weighed, as is the medical evidence, AC’s religious beliefs, AC’s autonomy of decision-making, and her right to bodily integrity.”

Stopping idiots from killing themselves by sheer stupidity is a terrible mistake. Let them serve as a horrible example of how the universe works on lunatics. We might get fewer lunatics.

miltonf
miltonf
February 7, 2024 7:12 pm

This too Roger…

In his 1937 book The Road to Wigan Pier, George Orwell defended “the ordinary decent person” against “the intellectual, book-trained socialist”. He wrote that the latter:
“… type is drawn, to begin with, entirely from the middle class, and from a rootless town-bred section of that middle class at that. …It includes…the foaming denouncers of the bourgeoisie, and the more-water-in-your-beer reformers of whom [George Bernard] Shaw is the prototype, and the astute young social-literary climbers…and all that dreary tribe of high-minded women and sandal-wearers and bearded fruit-juice drinkers who come flocking towards the smell of ‘progress’ like bluebottles to a dead cat.”

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
February 7, 2024 7:13 pm

LOL, Rog.

He put it so much better.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 7, 2024 7:13 pm

Mark Bolton
Feb 7, 2024 6:50 PM

What are you on about? Do you work for the KGB?

Top Ender
Top Ender
February 7, 2024 7:17 pm

…and all that dreary tribe of high-minded women and sandal-wearers and bearded fruit-juice drinkers who come flocking towards the smell of ‘progress’ like bluebottles to a dead cat.”

Great writing from Orwell!

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 7, 2024 7:17 pm

IIRC the device that wireheads connect to is called a “droud”. There you go Elon, the name for your neural interface. Niven might want royalties though.

Roger
Roger
February 7, 2024 7:19 pm

This too Roger…

Yes, Orwell pointed out that the “real” socialists he spoke to were interested mainly in improved labour conditions and a better standard of living for working people.

I don’t know if he mentions this but they were also inclined to be socially conservative Christians and anti-revolutionary monarchists – the political wing of the Methodist Church, so to speak 😀

Cassie of Sydney
February 7, 2024 7:19 pm

This is supposed to be a “horrible Jews” pictorial, but its actually a great thing.

It’s beautiful. And remember, the kibbutzim that fended off and survived the Nazi scum on 7 October did so because they were able to get their guns.

Roger
Roger
February 7, 2024 7:20 pm

LOL, Rog.

He put it so much better.

You’re no slouch with words either, ML.

Rabz
February 7, 2024 7:20 pm

Oh, for goodness’ sake – Blot hyperventilating about Tucker’s visit to Moscow and his interview of the Pute.

2dogs
February 7, 2024 7:21 pm

For the life of me I cannot understand why door plugs, which don’t have to open are not fitted with a flange around the plug on the inside of the aircraft so pressure differential helps to seal it better and it is impossible to blow out.

That would kind of make it impossible to fit.

mareeS
mareeS
February 7, 2024 7:22 pm

Andrew Bolt doing a big sledge at the moment on Tucker Carlson and his interview with Putin. Unworthy of you, Andrew.

Top Ender
Top Ender
February 7, 2024 7:22 pm

Ol’ commie Phillip Adams to retire from the ABC in June – will continue writing his one page a week for the Oz.

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 7, 2024 7:22 pm

Blot hyperventilating

When isn’t he?

Rabz
February 7, 2024 7:23 pm

Hey Sophie Ellsworth – Tucker has already clearly stated he will not be paywalling his interview with the Pute.

Very poor j’ism on her behalf.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 7, 2024 7:23 pm

Specifically, The Bolton The Beautiful.

Snork, snork!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 7, 2024 7:25 pm

Ol’ commie Phillip Adams to retire from the ABC in June – will continue writing his one page a week for the Oz.

Why do the words “Good Riddance” spring to mind?

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 7:26 pm

Orwell must be read in the context of “Homage to Catalonia” … getting shot in the back by those you counted on as Comrades.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 7, 2024 7:27 pm

Bernie
1 hour ago
The ultimate champagne socialist who has done fabulously well out of the capitalist society he despises.

Despises all the way to the bank and to all his investments.

Roger
Roger
February 7, 2024 7:32 pm

Blot hyperventilating

When isn’t he?

It does seem to be his de facto setting.

I think it’s an act for TV (ditto Carlson, btw, mutatis mutandis).

Privately, Bolt’s said to have quite a mild personality.

Well, for a Dutchman, anyway.

(Chuckle)

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 7, 2024 7:34 pm

Specifically, The Bolton The Beautiful.

Needs more devil dolls
and mannikins..

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 7:38 pm


Feb 7, 2024 7:32 PM

Well Bolt behaved exceedingly mildy when the Thought Police came for him. He caved. Unlike Mark Stien who told them to take a long walk on a short jetty …

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 7, 2024 7:40 pm

Ol’ commie Phillip Adams to retire from the ABC in June – will continue writing his one page a week for the Oz.

No Quentin Dumpster Long Goodbye for you Phatty. That must hurt. At 84 too old to pick up some extra cash at Bunnings.

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 7, 2024 7:42 pm

btw, mutatis mutandis

tlhIngan Hol: bISeH’eghlaH’be’chugh latlh Dara’laH’be’

miltonf
miltonf
February 7, 2024 7:43 pm

Brian Howe with a Methodist minister iirc.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
February 7, 2024 7:43 pm

“… type is drawn, to begin with, entirely from the middle class, and from a rootless town-bred section of that middle class at that.
Today called “anywheres” or the “laptop class”. Orwell nailed it.
See Adams, who despite his frequent incantations to Our Farm- always parked carefully clear of the Stolen Land dirge- is a sandal-and-skivvy townie, through and through.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 7, 2024 7:44 pm

The ALPBC must have a no dying on the payroll policy now. No more leaving Ultimo in a box then.

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 7:45 pm

I wouldnt have known that Phatty was gone .. THX for the tip .. I haven’t taken the slightest notice of MSM in decades… Good job you folks still do.

Roger
Roger
February 7, 2024 7:45 pm

No Quentin Dumpster Long Goodbye for you Phatty.

ABC Radio’s pockets considerably shallower than the TV division, presumably.

John Brumble
John Brumble
February 7, 2024 7:45 pm

Credit where credit is due, KD.

That soap opera crack was excellent.

Digger
Digger
February 7, 2024 7:48 pm

That would kind of make it impossible to fit.

Why? Carry it inside the aircraft, turn it in the correct direction and put it inside the hole. Bolt it from the inside and fit/rivet an outside cover around the shape of the door to prevent noise. Cover the inside flange with the standard interior dressing of the aircraft.

Roger
Roger
February 7, 2024 7:48 pm

Brian Howe with a Methodist minister iirc.

And Bob Hawke’s father was a Congregationalist minister (although Hawke left the faith early on).

The non-conformist manse gave birth to many a Labour/Labor politician before the ‘dregs of the middle class’ usurped power.

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 7:49 pm

@Wally Dalí
Feb 7, 2024 7:43 PM

Oh “Our Farm” !! … yup I had forgotten about that … I wouldn’t put that wanker in charge of a set of nail clippers let alone a piece of farm machinery… forget about a mic .. but the ABC did and I switched off.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 7, 2024 7:50 pm

Ol’ commie Phillip Adams to retire from the ABC in June – will continue writing his one page a week for the Oz.

I always liked Adams in the Oz. A great example each week to remind us how awful socialism is. The Oz fittingly puts him at the absolute arse end of their leftiest product, the Weekend Aussie glossie mag.

JC
JC
February 7, 2024 7:50 pm

John H

The Russian economy has been surprisingly stout, with the IMF upping their GDP forecast to around 2.5% in 2024. However, let’s not lose sight in terms of where the GDP growth is coming from. It’s military Keynesianism writ large when you consider 20% of the Russian GDP is now being directed to the war effort. In other words the war is eating up 20% of its annual production. All said and done, when the war ends, the standard of living will be lower in Russia than it was before the invasion – even if we hear now the shops are full.

People used to call Russia the gas station and as someone said, it’s now a gas station producing tanks and ammo.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 7, 2024 7:52 pm

dover0beach
Feb 7, 2024 6:29 PM
Protestants don’t issue fatwas calling for the death of unbelievers.

Are you not familiar with Calvin’s Geneva?

Note that “don’t” implies past tense. Is Calvin still alive?

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 7:53 pm

Here’s to you Phatty … “forgotten but not gone” …. most likely we will hear a moving self eulogy if we were to listen to the ABC …

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 7, 2024 7:53 pm

You suspect Phatty’s missus exempts them from the “Pay the rent, pay our share” on the little Sydney pied a terre and the Hunter getaway. That stuff is for the little people, Clinton style.

Winston Smith
February 7, 2024 7:54 pm

Vicki:

We could probably always charge an electric car, even with power interruptions, because we have a large solar system on the farm. But we still are not convinced.

That’s the only way I’d buy even a hybrid. Have a charge point connected to the Solar panels. My rate of 13 cents/kWhr for export, and import 30 cents/kWhr means it would be worthwhile having a connection to recharge/top up a hybrid.
However the equipment cost would probably be equivalent to a new car.
I don’t think the current coming from a solar farm would be stable enough – or made stable enough – to charge a car battery safely.
Would be happy to look into a gadget that could help defray the costs of the solar panels.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 7, 2024 7:54 pm

Ive let the black wobblebottom know how much he will be missed..

Replying to
@PhillipAdams_1
No more listening to you snuffle in your own crotch for moist nuggets to mutter about with the usual suspects.

https://twitter.com/PhillipAdams_1/status/1755066456046494074

Feel free to leave your own observations.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 7, 2024 7:56 pm

H B Bear
Feb 7, 2024 5:01 PM

And, for some reason, it had to be done by lunchtime. As if post-prandial executions have a lower impact

I would think it allows time to get back to the club for lunch. Of course.

Well, yes.
It makes for lively conversation as the port decanter is passed around.
Although I must go on record as saying that I am not a massive fan of summary executions as “teaching moments”.
Who knows?
You park in someone’s spot at the club in a hurry and, nek minnit, there’s a cold 9mm barrel being pushed up behind your ear.

Gabor
Gabor
February 7, 2024 7:57 pm

Bespoke
Feb 7, 2024 5:12 PM

I’d rather die then drink 4X Winston.

Drinking your preferred swill, will finish you off anyway.

Tom
Tom
February 7, 2024 7:59 pm

Oh, for goodness’ sake – Blot hyperventilating about Tucker’s visit to Moscow and his interview of the Pute.

Because he’s such a bowtie libertarian buffoon, it’s anything but Blot at my place so I’m Watching an old MASH episode until Sharri Markson comes on at 8pm.

As a journalist, Blot can’t lick Tucker Carlson’s bootlaces.

Carlson goes anywhere — like Moscow — to break big stories, such as an interview with Vladimir Putin. He doesn’t sit on his arse like Blot recycling the day’s news.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 7, 2024 8:00 pm

In other words the war is eating up 20% of its annual production

Ouch.
And its not like that equipment is covering itself in glory for export sales afterwards.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
February 7, 2024 8:02 pm

Ol’ commie Phillip Adams to retire from the ABC in June
More of a champagne socialist. Former advertising guru, sometime Ferrari driver, cushy sinecured ABC eminence grise, and so on.

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 8:02 pm

@H B Bear
Feb 7, 2024 7:53 PM
Speaking of Clinton and “thanks very much if I do” … didnt a certain Australian Prime Minister of the fem persuasion give 20 mill to the Clinton Foundation?

Oh no !! I expect nothing in return but respect..

miltonf
miltonf
February 7, 2024 8:02 pm

I doubt if Carlson would lose much sleep over Blot’s explosion. Blot just making himself look ridiculous.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
February 7, 2024 8:03 pm

Quite right, Tom.

JC
JC
February 7, 2024 8:06 pm

John H

Keep this in mind. Russia is spending 20% of its GDP on the war effort, while the economy is expected to grow by 2.5%. It means, by definition, that the non-military economy is experiencing a pretty decent contraction.

Employment is being directed towards the war. Non-military employment has been totally discombobulated by about 1 million employment-age men in the military, and about the same number have left the country to avoid military service. Add in the numbers that have moved to jobs supplying the military. In the war effort, companies are paying much higher wages to attract labor, and the consequence is that there’s a serious labor shortage on the non-military side. Eventually, the piper will have to be paid, as it’s an overheated economy with lots of imbalances created.

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 7, 2024 8:07 pm

bowtie libertarian

‘Ex’ lefty.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
February 7, 2024 8:09 pm

What’s the bet Carlson has already interviewed Putin and it is already in edit mode.

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 8:14 pm

@hzhousewife

Feb 7, 2024 8:09 PM

Not odds I would consider. Bets are bets but no gambler goes slaughter. Of Course Tukka was always going to do that . And it will be fun to watch.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 7, 2024 8:15 pm

Daily Mail.

D-Day codebreaker, 100, who found out WWII in Europe was going to end two days before the rest of the world vows to keep the historic letter in his family

Cassie of Sydney
February 7, 2024 8:15 pm

Blot hyperventilating about Tucker’s visit to Moscow and his interview of the Pute.

Interesting hypocrisy from Blot. He likes to talk the talk about free speech. Hmm, I remember how, a few months ago after 7 October, after the ABC interviewed a highly unsavoury senior Hamas operative by the name of Basem Naim (who is the Hamas head of international relations) Blot defended that ABC interview.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
February 7, 2024 8:17 pm

The GayBC frothing at the withdrawal of forcible ratepayer funding for drag story time:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-07/hills-shire-council-votes-to-stop-supporting-drag-story-time/103438586

JC
JC
February 7, 2024 8:17 pm

Sounds like something Bolt would write.

Want to expand on this short statement or you think it’s enough? Explain what you believe is missing.

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 8:18 pm

What is more Tukka will make hay over the moves the “swamp” went to to try to stop Him…

Incoming .. another Tukka Boomerwaffen homily .. boring but fair.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 7, 2024 8:18 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Feb 7, 2024 7:10 PM

I see daytime soapies have been on in earnest today.

Specifically, The Bolton The Beautiful.

Snort, cackle.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
February 7, 2024 8:19 pm
JC
JC
February 7, 2024 8:20 pm

The official inflation rate is is just under 8% and not looking like it will come down. The rubble lost 30% of its value against the US dollar in 2023 and the lead interest rate is 16%.

Perhaps Dover, you could explain how the private sector is enjoying the war and what it means for the Russian consumer.

Tom
Tom
February 7, 2024 8:21 pm

FFS, under the Sky formula, Sharri Markson has the sleezy Labor creep Andrew Charlton on to recite the government’s talking points. He’s almost as slimy as Stephen Conroy who speaks for the union thugs on Paul Murray’s show.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
February 7, 2024 8:24 pm

Chrisifuli just on Sharri…

Zaap.

MatrixTransform
February 7, 2024 8:25 pm

What’s the bet Carlson has already interviewed Putin and it is already in edit mode

expect that the announcement wouldn’t be given without the green-light

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 7, 2024 8:28 pm

We say that as a person who has generally soured on Ukraine because Ukraine has ceased being a Republic, suspending elections, throwing journalists in prison and banning entire religions. We used to root for Ukraine, now we are indifferent, though it we were Ukrainian, we supposed we would still prefer not to be ruled by Russia.

Welcome to the club, have Woodstock can.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 7, 2024 8:28 pm

Kingsley Arnold Pickett: Doubts WA police and community corrections officers can monitor repeat criminal
Rebecca Parish
The West Australian
Wed, 7 February 2024 4:30PM
One of WA’s worst repeat offenders will be released but there are doubts he can be adequately monitored in the community.

The Opposition has questioned whether police and community corrections officers are up to the task of monitoring one of the worst repeat criminals in WA history, following a court decision to release the high-risk offender from prison.

This POS should never have been released after the deaths of Margaret and Shane Blurton – Master Kingsley was trying to out run WAPol in a stolen car, and one year old Shane Blurton never got any older.

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 8:32 pm

@Bespoke
Feb 7, 2024 8:28 PM

and murdering Gonzalo Lira to name but one…

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 8:34 pm

@Bespoke
Feb 7, 2024 8:28 PM

Folks in the donbass were happy enough to mind their own business.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
February 7, 2024 8:35 pm

cushy sinecured ABC eminence grise

Perhaps eminence graisse.

Rosie
Rosie
February 7, 2024 8:38 pm

In his 1937 book The Road to Wigan Pier, George Orwell

I picked up a book of essays by C K Chesterton here called ‘the common man’ the very first essay covers this ground and iirc GBS gets a mention.

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 8:38 pm

ABC .. just dont .

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 7, 2024 8:43 pm

eminence graisse.

tlhIngan Hol: Heghlu’DI’ mobbe’lu’chugh QaQpu’ Hegh wanI’

Rosie
Rosie
February 7, 2024 8:43 pm

I prefer juiced beard drinkers.

Dot
Dot
February 7, 2024 8:47 pm

This question has probably been asked multiple times before, but is there any reason my Will can’t be run through the courts before I kark it, so I can make sure there’s an outcome I want?

No. It is too impractical even if it was possible.

The best you can do is follow the statute and precedent to the letter.

feelthebern
feelthebern
February 7, 2024 8:49 pm

Been listening to Shane Gillis on Rogan.
They are victory lapping hard over Bud Light.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 7, 2024 8:49 pm

Digger at 7:11.

For the life of me I cannot understand why door plugs, which don’t have to open are not fitted with a flange around the plug on the inside of the aircraft so pressure differential helps to seal it better and it is impossible to blow out.

You mean what is commonly called a “plug door”?
(Which is like the normal access doors towards the front of the aircraft).
This door was never meant to be opened except in emergencies. In it’s closed position it is held in place by stops (six on each side of the door and a corresponding six on each side the airframe) to stop it blowing out.
There are two variants of this door:-
1. Emergency Exit. On 737s above a certain passenger capacity these extra exits are required by regs. On these aircraft the doors would be held in place by a locking mechanism which held the door up behind the stops. Upon emergency activation, the locking mechanism would pull the door down clear of the stops, allowing it to open.
2. Door plug. Where the emergency exit is not required – as was the case with Alaska Airlines – the emergency mechanisms are removed (including the evac slide, and opening mechanism) and the door is prevented from sliding down clear of the stops by four bolts (one in each corner).
This aircraft left the factory without the four bolts.
The only surprising thing for me is that it hung on for two months.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 7, 2024 8:57 pm

2dogs
Feb 7, 2024 7:21 PM

For the life of me I cannot understand why door plugs, which don’t have to open are not fitted with a flange around the plug on the inside of the aircraft so pressure differential helps to seal it better and it is impossible to blow out.

That would kind of make it impossible to fit.

Not quite.
Next time you fly watch them close the main door.
The hinge mechanism is very complex, which enables the plug door to be pulled back inside the aircraft, rolled upright, then pushed back into the aperture and locked into the airframe.
The elegance of this design is that the higher the pressure from the inside, the tighter the fit. It is like a wedge with the thick end on the inside.

Cassie of Sydney
February 7, 2024 9:03 pm

Just further to the ABC’s reports on “drag queen story time”, one the ABC was sponsoring in Rockdale Library and second one about the the Hills Council.

The Hills Council covers the most conservative and Christian parts of Sydney. It is often called ‘the Bible belt’. It is filled with very conservative and very aspirational Sydneysiders, with diverse backgrounds (unlike the progressive northern beaches and eastern suburbs, all still mainly white). The Hills is made up of Anglos, Chinese, Koreans, and Indians. They are all rock solid conservatives. The conservative faction of the Liberal Party reigns supreme in the Hills. Personally, I’m glad that the council has stood up to this, but note how it has taken a conservative Liberal with some spine to do so. We need more like him.

As to the ABC’s decision to cancel a drag queen story time event at Rockdale Library after a lot of blowback, I find this curious and again, methinks the ABC is deliberately withholding information because it doesn’t suit the narrative they want to push. Apparently Rockdale Library cancelled the ABC sponsored drag queen story time event after receiving “hateful and offensive” responses to a callout for the event. Okay, well Rockdale, like the Hills, is not some progressive paradise like Paddington, Darlinghurst, Mosman or Manly. Rockdale is filled with recent and not so recent migrants, many of whom are conservative Turkish and Arab Muslims. I suspect the ‘hateful and offensive’ blowback came from them, but of course that doesn’t suit the ABC narrative and so the ABC leave it so that people will assume that the offensive hate emanates from white Christians. I’m curious as to why the ABC chose Rockdale Library? Rockdale is not and has never been a bastion of LGBTQI+ Pride. I can attest that during Pride month last year, driving through Rockdale I didn’t see one Pride flag. I don’t think the whole LGBTQI+ shtick is welcome in a area like Rockdale or Kogarah. Odd that the ABC didn’t choose a library in inner-city, in Alexandria, or Darlinghurst, or here in Surry Hills. Wonder why?

Dot
Dot
February 7, 2024 9:07 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 7, 2024 9:08 pm

This question has probably been asked multiple times before, but is there any reason my Will can’t be run through the courts before I kark it, so I can make sure there’s an outcome I want?

No. It is too impractical even if it was possible.

Totally not possible.
The will doesn’t take effect until death, so it can’t be litigated before then.
Conversely, the same as Powers of Attorney expire upon death.

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 7, 2024 9:09 pm

Wonder why?

To provoke a predictable response.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 7, 2024 9:12 pm

You may think you hate the greens enough, but really, you don’t..

https://x.com/DavidShoebridge/status/1755159788470894766?s=20

You just can’t.

Cassie of Sydney
February 7, 2024 9:31 pm

https://x.com/DavidShoebridge/status/1755159788470894766?s=20

Shoebridge lives in a mansion in Woollahra with his lawyer wife. He inherited the mansion.

I’ll say it again, the Greens should be disendorsed. There is no place in this country for a Nazi Party.

KevinM
KevinM
February 7, 2024 9:39 pm

This question has probably been asked multiple times before, but is there any reason my Will can’t be run through the courts before I kark it, so I can make sure there’s an outcome I want?

It’s impractical in a way, that it would be meaningless, even if every beneficiary agreed in writing.
They can and will change their mind when the will become due, ie. when you cark it as you said
You would have to enact a new law that specifically binds all participants to the agreement, but there may be new unforeseen circumstances developing in the meantime, so back to the court.

Best is to rely on your solicitor to draw it up as watertight as possible.

Second best is what my uncle did, not going into detail but you can give money away without gift duty, depends how you go about it.

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 9:41 pm

Guys … rogue doors on aircraft .. it isn’t a mystery … look to blancolirio.

all will be made clear.

Muddy
Muddy
February 7, 2024 9:46 pm

I’ll say it again, the Greens should be disendorsed. There is no place in this country for a Nazi Party.

For some years now, I’ve been referring to the ‘greens’ (intentional lower case) as the Year Zero Party; meaning, that if given the opportunity, I have no doubt they would revisit the purges of the Khmer Rouge (from 1975), or at the very least, as close as they could get away with. There is something deeply sinister about the Cult of Zero that portends nothing but misery for the individuals who wish to live their lives in peace and do the best for themselves and their families.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 7, 2024 9:53 pm

For military Cats – David Sabben, MG, was a platoon commander, in 6RAR, in the fun factory from June 1966 until June 1967, taking in the battle for Long Tan. His new book “Mentions in Despatches” – based on his letters home to his wife – goes through the day by day routine of infantry in the scrub, for a year, at the pointy end. Well illustrated and damnfine reading. Highly recommended, indeed!

JC
JC
February 7, 2024 9:54 pm

It means you’re painting the usual critical picture despite the fact that the Russian economy is doing better than you or the GAE expected given the sanctions regime put in place back in early ’22.

Actually, it’s not doing better. If 20% of the economy is directed toward the war effort, how is it doing? As a Russian consumer, what material benefits do you gain from a day’s production of artillery shells? How do you consume an artillery shell? Do you fry it or bake it? You’re suggesting that I’m “Bolting” my opinion. Homer Paxton tried to tell us that military Keynesianism did wonders for Germany before the war and for the US too. It did nothing of the sort. Remember that?

In actual fact, the Russian economy has collapsed if you remove the 20% of GDP devoted to the war effort.
Inflation is at 8%, and 20% of the economy is devoted to war. The lead interest rate is at 16%, and the private economy is being choked by labor shortages and higher wage rates. The Rubble fell 30% against the US dollar in 2023.

Speak to those stats I provided instead of trying on this will-to-power thing.

Guess what, of course wars pervert the normal economic arrangements of a domestic economy. So what?

Really, so what? Impoverishing the consumer, and you’re saying, So what?

Countries are more than aggregates of consumers so in war domestic consumption has to give way to strategic necessity.

Oh, okay, so what are they, then? Also, explain how great it is for the Russian consumer when 20% of the economy is being directed to war and the private economy is being rooted.

As soon as conditions improve, there will be a further readjustment that will take into account the new circumstance.

Conditions aren’t improving. When the war ends, the piper has to be paid.

You could make the argument that this is all necessary because the war is vital for Russia. I don’t buy that bullshit for a second, but it would be better than suggesting the Russian economy is doing fine with those dreadful stats. Military Keynesianism makes people poorer.

Here’s something to consider. Despite all the production for the war effort by the US in WW2 and coming out winners, the standard of living was lower in 1946 than in 1939.

Digger
Digger
February 7, 2024 9:56 pm

The elegance of this design is that the higher the pressure from the inside, the tighter the fit. It is like a wedge with the thick end on the inside.

Without knowing the engineering of aircraft doors like you obviously do, Sancho, you have indeed elequently described what I thought would be common sense when playing with pressure. That is what we do in recompression chambers. The hatches don’t need a latch except to commence the pressurisation. The pressure does it all…

Thanks.

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 9:57 pm

Seems that the pennies on the eye of corpses is what you folk find most apposite in this conversation.some o you seem to be well equipped.. .. Legal stuff I guess? And a way to make a crust ,,,

I wont be snotty beause the “frost will eventually settle on my brow too”

give me a decade and I am either found dead in a Hanoi brothel ..massive hot shot …

or making the best of what I have left ….

But either way I will NEVER go the Ad Hom nor be nasty and personal and impolite.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 7, 2024 9:57 pm

Second best is what my uncle did, not going into detail but you can give money away without gift duty, depends how you go about it.

That seems to be the most watertight way of doing it.
Let them fight over crumbs.

Muddy
Muddy
February 7, 2024 9:58 pm

Via Powerline:

Trendy ‘land acknowledgments’ distort more history than they claim to be revealing.

It’s about Minnesota in the U.S., but relevant to we bringers-of-the-benefits-of-modernity here also.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 7, 2024 9:58 pm

thefrollickingmole
Feb 7, 2024 9:12 PM
You may think you hate the greens enough, but really, you don’t..

https://x.com/DavidShoebridge/status/1755159788470894766?s=20

You just can’t.

Will he apply the same rule to those Gaza “refugees” that the Wong Chap has invited into Australia?

Winston Smith
February 7, 2024 9:59 pm

JC
Feb 7, 2024 4:36 PM

You are demented.
Seek help. Elsewhere.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 7, 2024 10:04 pm

give me a decade and I am either found dead in a Hanoi brothel ..

Hey, horses for courses and all that.

massive hot shot …

Oh no no. It’s just ‘a little pick me up’.

Right? I mean, right? Remember when you said that?

I find this extremely relevant, given so much discussion about wills today.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 7, 2024 10:06 pm

or making the best of what I have left ….

The ‘Booka will be forever grateful.

Rosie
Rosie
February 7, 2024 10:07 pm

I’m on the bus, it was €160 for a taxi or €4.30 for the public bus, so bus it was.
I even managed to buy my ticket via the app, now that CBA sends you a net code via their own app instead of an sms.
Did my usual European service of minding someone’s bag while they nicked off for a smoke or in this case a quick visit to the cemetery?
The lady said I was ‘gentile’.
Bonus, twin usb ports in every seat so I can stop with the range anxiety.

Winston Smith
February 7, 2024 10:09 pm

Bespoke
Feb 7, 2024 5:12 PM

I’d rather die then drink 4X Winston.

Heresy!
Shoot him in the head!
And before lunchtime!
🙂 NADT.

JC
JC
February 7, 2024 10:10 pm

Turtlehead
Okay.

You’ve always sounded normal and intelligent to me, Turtlehead. In fact, I was wish I was you at times.

JohnJJJ
JohnJJJ
February 7, 2024 10:10 pm

Odd that the ABC didn’t choose a library in inner-city, in Alexandria, or Darlinghurst, or here in Surry Hills. Wonder why?

Believe me, they (ABC) are clueless.
Of interest: Rockdale is the centre of Shia Islam in NSW.

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 10:16 pm

There was a bloke … Kell Rodgers IIRC did “Word watch” on The ABC … sound chap.

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 10:17 pm

Richards .. something .. still a cool Guy ..

Winston Smith
February 7, 2024 10:26 pm

JC:

I don’t know enough about Judaism to comment about its leadership structure.

You know Jack Shit.
I am the High priest of The Religion of Winston, and I decree that everyone is an acolyte of mine at the point of conception, which puts me 9 months ahead of the Mohammedans.
I am allowed to cast them all into the furthest Pits of Hell if they do not follow the decrees of High Priest Winston the Magnificent, Munificent, and Magnanimous.
So on your knees, Slave of Mammon, and kiss my ring.

I read that message out to Elsie, and she said “Meow”, shook her head, and proceeded to lick her bum.
So I guess that means she wants you to kiss hers too.
I shall nominate her “High Priestess of The Church of Winston, Savager of Chickens and Devourer of Sardines.”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 7, 2024 10:27 pm

Digger
Feb 7, 2024 9:56 PM

Digger – your book didn’t make it onto the shelf, before it was borrowed…..

JC
JC
February 7, 2024 10:37 pm

Turtlehead, what are you doing? Tell us you haven’t raided the cabinet and overdosed on the iodine with this last comment.

Digger
Digger
February 7, 2024 10:40 pm

There has been a bit of discussion today about Quentin Dempster. His brother, Gary was one of my mob, a Clearance Diver who tragically drowned whilst training with his seven team mates before they were scheduled to replace our team in Da Nang in May, 1971.

The tragedy was that to make the training realistic they had rocks in their back packs and they were walking through chest deep water with weapons and weighted packs when the lake bed collapsed and he slipped into deeper water. He was instantly in too deep and couldn’t get his pack off quick enough to save himself.

His team was ultimately never deployed because the government decided to withdraw from Vietnam and we were some of the first ones out.

Winston Smith
February 7, 2024 10:44 pm

Alamak!
Feb 7, 2024 5:50 PM

Interesting concept, but unworkable – the pharmaceutical industry wouldn’t allow it.

You mean ECT … I had thought it was done & buried after “one flew over …” but it seems to be surviving.

No I commented at the time it seemed to work spectacularly with older women who were so depressed as to not even be able to move in bed and would get pressure area sores from being motionless. I assisted in about a dozen of them and it was amazing watching people walk out the next day after being unable to get the energy to even go to the bathroom.
Did it work with everyone? No but it had an excellent success rate with the older women.

Digger
Digger
February 7, 2024 10:46 pm

Digger – your book didn’t make it onto the shelf, before it was borrowed…..

That sounds encouraging Zulu. I hope you and the borrower enjoy it…

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
February 7, 2024 11:01 pm

Mike ” smoothest frontal lobes in his tribe” Carlton trust an analogy…

Mike Carlton
@MikeCarlton01
Here’s a thought. For decades the Provisional IRA committed heinous atrocities in its bombing attacks in the UK, murdering more than 1700 innocent civilians. The British, however, did not respond by reducing Northern Ireland to smoking ruins and slaughtering 11,000 children.

He does know the Poms lost in Ireland doesn’t he???

cohenite
February 7, 2024 11:02 pm

This question has probably been asked multiple times before, but is there any reason my Will can’t be run through the courts before I kark it, so I can make sure there’s an outcome I want?

No. It is too impractical even if it was possible.

Totally not possible.

The Succession Act 2006, S. 80 allows a distribution of part or all of the estate before the death of the testator.

Crossie
Crossie
February 7, 2024 11:03 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Feb 7, 2024 9:31 PM
https://x.com/DavidShoebridge/status/1755159788470894766?s=20

Shoebridge lives in a mansion in Woollahra with his lawyer wife. He inherited the mansion.

Only the well heeled have the means to be truly stupid and not have to face consequences of their actions. That’s why you don’t see any aspirational sin the Greens though their kids, not knowing how hard it is to earn a fortune, may dabble in the green ideology. In other words, the rich are green and the greens are rich.

JC
JC
February 7, 2024 11:07 pm

This is an incredible cope.

I think it’s the opposite. I presented some important stats and it now appears you’re not coping at all. I actually don’t mind being wrong especially about these things. However, to suggest that the Russian economy is doing well when 1/5th of the economy is making bombs and other assorted destructive stuff is mind-boggling.

Earlier, you suggested that atomizing humans into economic units isn’t enough. It’s true, it isn’t. You should consider the hundreds of thousands of men and mostly young boys whose are dead, permanently maimed or will have deep psychological issues for the rest of their living in severe depression. And that’s on both sides of the border.

It’s doing far better than you and the GAE expected.

Excluding the war effort, it most certainly isn’t as the stats suggest.

Sanctions were expected to ruin the economy and make the war effort impossible to continue and your coping by saying this or that stat moderately worsened even though they’ve been able to adapt pretty well to the new circumstances.

Sanctions have caused a heavy cost to the Russian economy, and we’ve been through these in prior discussions.

War is hell and you should consider that.

Mark Bolton
February 7, 2024 11:08 pm

Winston Smith
Feb 7, 2024 10:44 PM

Yup ECT works brilliantly despite Jack Nicholson … and Ken Kesey.

Any one that knows anything about it …. well

I wanted to object but hadnt the energy … If one were to deploy the cudgel at every glipse of bullshit on the Cat … well you know …

JC
JC
February 7, 2024 11:14 pm

rest of their lives, living

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 7, 2024 11:21 pm

He does know the Poms lost in Ireland doesn’t he???

Mike Carlton? Something about his second wife being nearly thirty years his junior?

Dot
Dot
February 7, 2024 11:25 pm

The Succession Act 2006, S. 80 allows a distribution of part or all of the estate before the death of the testator.

The will has to conform to those provisions though. That’s not very likely.

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