Open Thread – Mon 19 Feb 2024


The Pont Royal, Grey Weather, Afternoon, Spring, Camille Pissaro, 1902

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Alamak!
February 19, 2024 12:57 pm

…magistrates, judges, the media, chalkies and bureaucrats are destroying the west.

You omitted economists

Those $100 billion-a-year fossil fuel taxes aren’t going to advocate for themselves.

Economists propose silly ideas at a cost of Billions. The number of zeros involved must be enough that ordinary folks consider the whole thing to be secret economists bizness and therefore impossible to understand, let alone challenge.

Diogenes
Diogenes
February 19, 2024 1:01 pm

Do they:-
(a) put it on Paramount+ and generate subscriber revenue?; or
(b) use it to generate sfa advertising revenue on Ten?

Reruns on 10 Bold… Jake and the Fatman, Diagnosis Murder, and JAG, lots and lots and lots of JAG.

kneel
kneel
February 19, 2024 1:09 pm

“Reruns on 10 Bold…”

If I want to watch such things, I’ll use Pluto.tv – at least there is a one show per channel option for things like Beverly Hillbillies, 90210, Dr Who etc ad nauseum. Only 150-200 channels of such (inc. old movies split into action, comedy etc, news, sport, lifestyle channels etc). Zero cost other than the IP geo-unblocker ($70 p.a. or so from getflix.com.au), which if you are a netflix user, you should have anyone (so you get region 1, ie US, netflix).

Dot
Dot
February 19, 2024 1:11 pm

…magistrates, judges, the media, chalkies and bureaucrats are destroying the west.

You omitted economists

Those $100 billion-a-year fossil fuel taxes aren’t going to advocate for themselves.

Economists propose silly ideas at a cost of Billions. The number of zeros involved must be enough that ordinary folks consider the whole thing to be secret economists bizness and therefore impossible to understand, let alone challenge.

You guys are making it hard for me to live, laugh, love. Then I find out my jewellery is for gay women.

The year 2024 may turn out to be my annus horribilis.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 19, 2024 1:21 pm

Diogenes
Feb 19, 2024 1:01 PM

Do they:-
(a) put it on Paramount+ and generate subscriber revenue?; or
(b) use it to generate sfa advertising revenue on Ten?

Reruns on 10 Bold… Jake and the Fatman, Diagnosis Murder, and JAG, lots and lots and lots of JAG.

That was my point, really.
Whoever it was from Ten who said “the Paramount back-catalogue will save us” and “our US parent company is a fairy-godmother” is a moron.
What will really happen is Seven and Nein will go hard to sink Ten and mop up the small audience they still have.
Just as The Grocer screamed at the Fewfacts board and executive that the “Rivers of Gold” from classified adverts were eternal, anyone who thinks an FTA broadcast licence is a pathway to eternal riches needs to take a trip to the Hall of Mirrors.

Alamak!
February 19, 2024 1:26 pm

Life is a comedy to those who think, a tragedy to those who feel – Racine

2024 feelz like its pregnant with tragic possibilities. And maybe a few laughs.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 19, 2024 1:28 pm

I think the demographic for 10 Bold is bed-ridden folks in aged care with flat batteries in their remote controls.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 19, 2024 1:30 pm

The year 2024 may turn out to be my annus horribilis.

There is a topical cream for that.
They advertise it on 10 Bold.

Lysander
Lysander
February 19, 2024 1:32 pm

I don’t think I’ve ever watched anything on 10, period.

Roger
Roger
February 19, 2024 1:32 pm

I think the demographic for 10 Bold is bed-ridden folks in aged care with flat batteries in their remote controls.

I had occasion to regularly visit an old folks home pre-covid.

Channel 10 was always on in the communal lounge area.

I suspect staff hid the remote.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
February 19, 2024 1:34 pm

Kneel,
Thanks for feedback on 90 day notice. I will get them to check what original lease says.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
February 19, 2024 1:35 pm

Now that Lisa Wilkinson is no longer on 10 surely there is no more reason to watch the Project and 10.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
February 19, 2024 1:37 pm

Ok there is JAG and Jethro Gibbs.

Real Deal
Real Deal
February 19, 2024 1:42 pm

Perhaps Lisa could introduce JAG and Jake and the Fatman. Like Bill Collins used to do with the movies. The not so Golden Years of Hollywood.

Better still she could film a reboot of Jake and the Fatman. It could be modelled on the careers of her and her hubby.

Lisa and the Fathead.

dopey
dopey
February 19, 2024 1:44 pm

ABC: “Asylum seeker advocates unable to contact 39 men moved from WA to Nauru.” Why do they need to contact them?

Roger
Roger
February 19, 2024 1:46 pm

Why do they need to contact them?

To get the court cases rolling.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 19, 2024 1:49 pm

Roger
Feb 19, 2024 1:32 PM

I think the demographic for 10 Bold is bed-ridden folks in aged care with flat batteries in their remote controls.

I had occasion to regularly visit an old folks home pre-covid.

Channel 10 was always on in the communal lounge area.

I suspect staff hid the remote.

Well, the use of physical restraints and chemical restraints (i.e. sedatives) is strictly controlled now, but studies show that half an hour of one of the Ten secondary channels is the equivalent of a high dose of a benzodiazepine.

Vicki
Vicki
February 19, 2024 1:51 pm

Whenever Taylor Swift sings, she expels trillions of microscopic brain fungus spores, which travel on the gifts of nature (the wind, tides, dropbear dives) to all sixteen corners of this flat Earth, and are unknowingly inhaled by the lemming legions.

I was agog at the hysteria and worship of Ms Swift. That was – until husband reminded me of Beatlemania & later on (& still) ABBA.

Roger
Roger
February 19, 2024 1:56 pm

To get the court cases rolling.

First stop is Home Affairs.

If that fails appeal to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.

If that fails appeal to the Federal Court.

If that fails appeal to the Minister.

As you can imagine, this can be strung out for quite a while, during which time you can build a case to sue the federal government for false imprisonment, as a Kurdish fellow is now doing in what could be a landmark case.

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 19, 2024 1:57 pm

That was – until husband reminded me of Beatlemania & later on (& still) ABBA.

Did wear nappies?

shatterzzz
February 19, 2024 1:58 pm

No Tay Tay knocking .. pleeze .. my middle daughter and two grandees up from Danistan Thursday with tix to Friday night at Homebush .. If she weren’t here they wouldn’t be coming for the weekend ………. couldn’t get Melbourne tix, apparently …..!

Alamak!
February 19, 2024 2:04 pm

No Tay Tay knocking .. pleeze

She is a great bizness woman and managing to extract a great deal of cash from (my perspective, not the target audience/wallet) kinda average singing and songwriting talents.

All power to average folks practicing their average skills, most of us in quiet, dusty corners to no acclaim.

shatterzzz
February 19, 2024 2:05 pm

No complaint here about PARAMOUNT .. I payz $9.95 a month & getz all the A League (m& w), FA CUP and lotza assorted world fitba comps plus their regular channels (TV, Movies ect) ….. well worth the outlay ……!
KAYO/FOXTEL charge like wounded bulls for their sportz stuff …

shatterzzz
February 19, 2024 2:07 pm

HUGHIE currently visiting Fairfield, NSW … black as … lotza flannery and noise tho short on flashzzzz ……!

Annie
Annie
February 19, 2024 2:07 pm

Tom @11.45am:

Re. the female of the species: Not all of us go stupid over pop stars; I never did. No going to pop concerts and screaming primitively; no posters of pop stars polluting the view on my bedroom walls and very few pop records. A few Beatles ( given away and worth a bit now probably!), Seekers, Shadows. Doesn’t that date me?!

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 19, 2024 2:10 pm

Whenever Taylor Swift sings, she expels trillions of microscopic brain fungus spores, which travel on the gifts of nature (the wind, tides, dropbear dives) to all sixteen corners of this flat Earth, and are unknowingly inhaled by the lemming legions.

It may be worse than that. SF writer John Barnes wrote a series of novels where computer viruses become self aware and self porting to different operating systems. Not much later they decide human wetware is just another operating system and nearly everyone is running one. In one novel bounty hunters track down those few who have managed to remain uninfected.

Given what see see around us I’m not sure it takes self aware and self porting computer viruses. The human brain seems quite capable itself of generating highly contagious and infectious mind viruses.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 19, 2024 2:11 pm

I was agog at the hysteria and worship of Ms Swift. That was – until husband reminded me of Beatlemania & later on (& still) ABBA.

Have you forgotten the quintet of tartan midgets?
The Bay Shitty Rollers?
(As fellow Scot Sean Connery would say).

Lysander
Lysander
February 19, 2024 2:12 pm

Perhaps some Cats, wiser than I, can provide some commentary or intel on a comment that Robert Richter made in the Pell case. He said “it was a simple vanilla sex abuse.” Why would he say such a thing?

I am 100% watertight on every single argument on the Pell case (and so are my seven learned High Court Justices) but I haven’t been able to resolve this comment in my mind (and I don’t believe the court documents were made available to see the context).

Thoughts?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 19, 2024 2:13 pm

shatterzzz
Feb 19, 2024 2:05 PM

No complaint here about PARAMOUNT .. I payz $9.95 a month & getz all the A League (m& w), FA CUP and lotza assorted world fitba comps plus their regular channels (TV, Movies ect) ….. well worth the outlay ……!

I think when an OAP says Paramount+ is good value for money, the days of it’s FTA sibling are numbered.

JMH
JMH
February 19, 2024 2:13 pm

Bourne at 11.21 am

We need to keep cash going.

I’m doing my bit. In the middle of last December, I decided to tuck the bankcard away. 98% or thereabouts is now cash.

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 19, 2024 2:14 pm

Re what passes for “economists” and “scientists” nowadays I’m having some ideas about angry crowds with pitchforks, torches and boiled rope.

Alamak!
February 19, 2024 2:15 pm

Given what see see around us I’m not sure it takes self aware and self porting computer viruses. The human brain seems quite capable itself of generating highly contagious and infectious mind viruses.

such as language?

shatterzzz
February 19, 2024 2:16 pm

Not to skyte on concerteers ……. BUT …….
City Hall .. Newcastle, England .. March 1963 .. THE BEATLES ..
I wuz there, a young & naive 15 years, but no idea if they were good/bad cos you couldn’t hear a, bloody, thing for the screamin’ .. tho the eye candy was somethink to behold … LOL!

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 19, 2024 2:17 pm

Reruns on 10 Bold… Jake and the Fatman, Diagnosis Murder, and JAG, lots and lots and lots of JAG.

kneel Feb 19, 2024 1:09 PM
“Reruns on 10 Bold…”
If I want to watch such things, I’ll use Pluto.tv

If you want Jake & the Fatman, you’ll have to watch 10 Bold. Good luck finding Jake & the Fatman anywhere else..

shatterzzz
February 19, 2024 2:21 pm

Seekers, Shadows. Doesn’t that date me?!

Hank Marvin, guitarist .. The Shadows .. family lived a coupla streets over from me in Gateshead, County Durham ..

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 19, 2024 2:23 pm

JMH Feb 19, 2024 2:13 PM
I’m doing my bit. In the middle of last December, I decided to tuck the bankcard away. 98% or thereabouts is now cash.

✓ ✓ ✓ ✓ ✓

Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
February 19, 2024 2:30 pm

Richter’s ‘vanilla sex’ comment was made during Pell’s plea hearing ie. after he’d been convicted. I think Richter later said it was a poor choice of words, but his role then was to argue for a light sentence based on the fact Pell had been convicted (disgracefully and wrongfully of course).

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 19, 2024 2:30 pm

?

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 2:32 pm

Imagine the conversation in Russian.

Honey, where do you want to go for a winter vacation – Siberia or North Korea?

Vacation in North Korea? Reclusive State Reopens to Tourism—but Only for Russians

The country’s first known foreign tourists in years stopped by Pyongyang’s Kim Il Sung Square, watched a musical performance and hit the ski slopes.

Vicki
Vicki
February 19, 2024 2:35 pm

HUGHIE currently visiting Fairfield, NSW … black as … lotza flannery and noise tho short on flashzzzz ……!

We are back in Sydney as have experienced the worst storm – in terms of very close lightning – that I can recall in a couple of decades here. We have just had a special toughened glass pyramid skylight replaced at considerable expense and….you guessed it ….it is leaking. The old glass, mind you, had NEVER leaked, in spite of some hairline age cracks (I know all about those!) in the glass. Par for the age in which we live.

We thought that the storm had moved on – but it appears to have doubled back! Quite amazing.

Vicki
Vicki
February 19, 2024 2:36 pm

“AND have experienced….”

slackster
slackster
February 19, 2024 2:38 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Feb 19, 2024 2:17 PM

If you want Jake & the Fatman, you’ll have to watch 10 Bold. Good luck finding Jake & the Fatman anywhere else..

Google search has been useless for the last 10 years
Easy to find streaming sites with any old tv show if you use alternate search engines

For example

https://swatchseries.mx/tv/jake-and-the-fatman-kwrpw/1-1

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 2:44 pm

Western interests in the South China Sea are essentially about containing China. The neighboring countries would still enjoy innocent passage even if they were the territorial waters of China.

The European all weather route to countries bordering or near the S China Sea , such as S Korea or Japan, is the quickest. It’s incredible that you’re suggesting the CCP should take ownership of a large stretch of sea when other countries share it too.

The West wouldn’t be focused on this stretch of sea if the China wasn’t falsely claiming ownership.

And how about reverse intentions? China feels hemmed and demands it’s theirs for this very reason and screw everyone else.

Real Deal
Real Deal
February 19, 2024 2:45 pm

Whenever I watched Jake and the Fatman, all I ever saw was William Conrad sitting at a desk eating. While Jake was doing the investigating side and seemed busier than a Peter FitzSimons book researcher.

Dot
Dot
February 19, 2024 2:46 pm

Wrong. Retribution is far more robust.

Don’t be silly, this is even less worth debating than China being above the law of the sea and not having a genuine bluewater navy.

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 2:47 pm

China didn’t participate in the arbitration.

China was a signatory to the convention and doesn’t show up to arbitration, which is the very process it signed up to. Amusing to say the least.

Winston Smith
February 19, 2024 2:54 pm

Bill P

Feb 19, 2024 9:28 AM
Yes. Biggus Tickus

We have a winner!

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 19, 2024 2:55 pm

slackster Feb 19, 2024 2:38 PM
Google search has been useless for the last 10 years
Easy to find streaming sites with any old tv show if you use alternate search engines

Thanks Slackster.
However I don’t see that site, as it is “Malware: Blocked” by my anti-virus.

I’d consider it, however my urge to watch Jake & the Fatman isn’t strong enough for me to bother with opening up another subscription.
Tempting it may be if I didn’t have such a full dance card.

slackster
slackster
February 19, 2024 3:02 pm

However I don’t see that site, as it is “Malware: Blocked” by my anti-virus.

I use Brave browser with adblock- no issues

Interesting fact: FB and other social media sites won’t let you even link free streaming sites.

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 3:03 pm

Dover

One more thing, and I think this can be wrapped up.

China was a signatory to the convention, while you highlighted that the US wasn’t. The US didn’t because the Republicans in the Senate prevented the Kenyan from ratifying.
Which country is, at least, more honest? The one not ratifying it, or the one that does, then, when an important point is contested, doesn’t show up to arbitration?

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 3:07 pm

Still, why would interrupt shipping transiting through to Japanese or SK when it would already allowing the vast majority of those ships going to its own ports?

We’ve been through this. Cargo originating from or to Chinese ports isn’t a problem to them for obvious reasons that already been detailed.

Winston Smith
February 19, 2024 3:07 pm

Pogria:

I was given one of the posters with “say NO to Anti-semitism” and carried it so the words could be seen as I walked back to the station and on the train and not one sneer or nasty word from anyone who saw it. That felt good.

Good stuff, Pogria. One person with a message allows the others not so brave to find their voices.

Zafiro
Zafiro
February 19, 2024 3:07 pm

Have you forgotten the quintet of tartan midgets?
The Bay Shitty Rollers?

I had until you just mentioned them. A pox on you.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 19, 2024 3:10 pm

Interesting fact: FB and other social media sites won’t let you even link free streaming sites.

Why does this not surprise?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
February 19, 2024 3:12 pm
Alamak!
February 19, 2024 3:15 pm

Nonsense. It’s part of a containment strategy.

Yes, indeed.

China wants to contain SE Asia and also Japan. Having military bases and Air Defence Zone (also being implemented by China in disregard to current international rules & established territorial claims by sovereign countries) will provide it ability to control and interdict any ship or aircraft not in accordance with its own “rules”.

Imagine Rottnest island as a Chinese military base, how would that feel?

Vicki
Vicki
February 19, 2024 3:20 pm

This is a fascinating video of Gaza – pre the events after 7 October. It shows a reasonably modern urban infrastructure & some prosperity in strategic locations. However – note the relative absence of women in the upmarket locations. Men and boys are enjoying the public spaces and what they have to offer, but the few robed women are rare. This was put on X by Eylon Levy – a British/Israeli commentator.

https://x.com/JMPSimor/status/1759129820288426409?s=20

Pogria
Pogria
February 19, 2024 3:20 pm

Good stuff, Pogria. One person with a message allows the others not so brave to find their voices.

Winston,
tons of others did it also. I caught up with the gentleman who was carrying the combined Iranian/Israeli flag at the station. Lovely gent, about 6’6″ tall. He was wearing a T shirt with the same emblem and the rolled up flag with it’s pole. It was longer than he was tall! We only had a short chat unfortunately as his English wasn’t great and he was heading to Parramatta and I off to Goulburn.

I will admit, I did think twice at first, but I had my zapper with me and went “bugger it”.

Vicki
Vicki
February 19, 2024 3:22 pm

BTW I don’t know why the British lawyer who commented on Levy’s video thought it was “sick”.

Zafiro
Zafiro
February 19, 2024 3:22 pm

Get some real shit on the jukebox

Forget Tay Tay, Gay Shitty Rollerz, even ABBA (they had some catchy tunes and the two chicks were super hot) but forget it all and disregard. Memory hole .

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 3:25 pm

So why did you dodge the question?

I didn’t.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
February 19, 2024 3:29 pm

I have it on very good authority that Mark Bolton is a massive 10 Bold fan.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 19, 2024 3:30 pm

I think the demographic for 10 Bold is bed-ridden folks in aged care with flat batteries in their remote controls.

Not a key consumer demographic. Even the adult nappies are purchased centrally.

Lysander
Lysander
February 19, 2024 3:31 pm

Thanks Dunny.

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 3:31 pm

LOL. Have you seen the number of major US military bases just beyond the Chinese coastline?

What’s that have to do with non-Chinese destined commercial shipping and fishing rights in those waters?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 19, 2024 3:31 pm

Large sign in my local bank to declare “Cheques on the way out.”

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 19, 2024 3:33 pm

Dot
Feb 19, 2024 2:46 PM
Wrong. Retribution is far more robust.

Don’t be silly, this is even less worth debating than China being above the law of the sea and not having a genuine bluewater navy.

Steady on there, Dot. China is an impoverished developing nation, trying to claim its rightful heritage using only a handful of sampans.

Pogria
Pogria
February 19, 2024 3:34 pm

Vicki,
that was an excellent video.
The pommy slag is on the list.

Her diatribe made me think of a comment I read at Ace a few days ago, paraphrasing as I can’t recall totally, “Why do we keep giving money to scum who want to kill us?
why won’t they kill us for free?”
This comment also perfectly sums up how I feel about our funds being given to the filth by that bloke Wong.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 19, 2024 3:38 pm

dover0beach
Feb 19, 2024 3:29 PM
Yes, indeed.

China wants to contain SE Asia and also Japan.

LOL. Have you seen the number of major US military bases just beyond the Chinese coastline?

The US has major military bases just beyond the 12nm limit?

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 19, 2024 3:38 pm

Kneel,
Thanks for feedback on 90 day notice. I will get them to check what original lease says.

Typically there will be a holding over provision, often reverting to a periodic tenancy based on how often rent is paid. There is usually a specific residential tenancies act in force on a State by State basis. I expect a lot of landlords will try and bung it on in the current climate.

Zafiro
Zafiro
February 19, 2024 3:39 pm

96Rush is a cool channel. The opal miners in the outback and the blokes who dive for abalone out around Port Lincoln with the white pointers bopping around. Some other good shows from America and Alaska. Texas Metal are these car customisers in Houston. The craftmanship in next level.

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 19, 2024 3:41 pm

LOL. Have you seen the number of major US military bases just beyond the Chinese coastline?

Little thing called ww2 and cold war.

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 3:42 pm

So where’s the answer to, Still, why would [they] interrupt shipping transiting through to Japanese or SK [ports]?

We could speculate on the reasons, but we don’t need to. They want the right to be informed of all shipping going through the waters and the right to stop any vessel to audit the cargo. Just like owners.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 19, 2024 3:44 pm

dover0beach
Feb 19, 2024 3:32 PM
I didn’t.

So where’s the answer to, Still, why would [they] interrupt shipping transiting through to Japanese or SK [ports]?

Why do they harass Vietnamese and Filipino fishing boats within the Nine-Dash-Line? Dare to consider that they are sending signals about their perceived superiority, and their perceived right to suzerainty?

Zafiro
Zafiro
February 19, 2024 3:44 pm

96Rush also has a show with Tassie lobster boats. That is funny too.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 19, 2024 3:46 pm

Imagine Rottnest island as a Chinese military base, how would that feel?

Depends. What does quokka chow mein taste like?

Interesting thing about a containment strategy for China is if it could be made to work the results would be strategically decisive. China is on a demographic slippy slide which is going to see them be a gigantic old people’s home in about a decade.

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 19, 2024 3:53 pm

Zafiro

Antique hunters- the Italian episodes are the best.
Wheeler dealers
Kindig customs

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 19, 2024 3:53 pm

H B Bear

Feb 19, 2024 3:30 PM

I think the demographic for 10 Bold is bed-ridden folks in aged care with flat batteries in their remote controls.

Not a key consumer demographic. Even the adult nappies are purchased centrally.

Yes.
Having to pay for your haircuts and toenail filing out of the 15% of the OAP they leave you doesn’t allow for a lot of high end discretionaries.
No $100k wardrobe allowance there.

Dot
Dot
February 19, 2024 3:54 pm

This Wix AI is beyond a joke.

FMD.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 19, 2024 3:59 pm

Speaking of $100k wardrobe allowances, Toad’s allowance was mentioned on 3AW this morning.
As hinted at here last week, it smells awfully like a tax dodge. The point was made that, unless Channel Ten keep possession of the clothes, it could be subject to FBT.
I wonder if some bright young thing in the ATO with an eye for fashion* is trawling through back episodes of the Perject and Toad’s soshul meeja to see if this has been complied with.

* I know, I know. The ATO would have to outsource the fashion bit.

Alamak!
February 19, 2024 4:00 pm

Interesting thing about a containment strategy for China is if it could be made to work the results would be strategically decisive. China is on a demographic slippy slide which is going to see them be a gigantic old people’s home in about a decade.

Which leaves us with a risk that demographically-driven flat-lining economy generates need for some foreign “wins” to make the citizenry happy.

Perhaps we could forestall the war thingy by exporting our world-leading best practice Old Folks Home tech? Or give them Channel 10? if all else fails gift Rottnest + Quokkas.

Lysander
Lysander
February 19, 2024 4:01 pm

Can you lodge an anonymous claim with the ATO?

Zafiro
Zafiro
February 19, 2024 4:02 pm

Bespoke
Feb 19, 2024 3:53 PM

Respect, but don’t dig the Pommy Wheeler Dealers. Kindig and Iron Resurrection are OK but Texas Metal smashes it.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
February 19, 2024 4:02 pm

I just saw a picture of Martin Armstrong. He’s one ugly SOB.

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 19, 2024 4:09 pm

For the same reason you would continuing cutting the grass over a piece of land involved in an adverse possession claim.

WT!
Sigh!

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 4:10 pm

So you have no practical reasons why China would do such a thing in a time of peace.

Why would I or anyone speculate on the mental machinations of a paranoid, arrogant, authoritarian and self-aggrandizing regime? They have no right to claim that or any right over freely used waters used for fishing and the peaceful transport of cargo.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 19, 2024 4:10 pm

Alamak!

Perhaps we could forestall the war thingy by exporting our world-leading best practice Old Folks Home tech? Or give them Channel 10? if all else fails gift Rottnest + Quokkas.

Canadia could send them their world-leading MAID skills.

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 4:11 pm

For the same reason you would continuing cutting the grass over a piece of land involved in an adverse possession claim.

Horse before cart? Adverse possession, as in the assumption China owns the S China Sea.

Tom
Tom
February 19, 2024 4:15 pm

Hahaha. The Uncredible Luigi and the Slovenian Hag say Mr Potato Head is encouraging a surge in boat people arrivals by pointing out the surge in boat people arrivals since Luigi was elected PM in 2020.

Sorry, Luigi. Australians put up with a lot of crap from politicians, but they’re not that dumb.

Alamak!
February 19, 2024 4:15 pm

So you have no practical reasons why China would do such a thing in a time of peace. Further, even if we concede a right to request an inventory and inspection, that will still only allow them to conduct those audits only to the extent that the cargo or activities fall within Article 19 Section 2 of UNCLOS.

That section includes Fishing and other regular activities normally conducted within a countries own defined area.

Would you accept a Chinese policeman telling you that your fishing activity within Oz territory is illegal? That is actually what China is doing now and it should be resisted.

Alamak!
February 19, 2024 4:20 pm

No, as in if you believe something is yours you act like it is yours. Are you guys not familiar with adverse possession and its elements?

You mean like fishing within territorial waters over decades? Or building military bases on reclaimed “islands”? One seems like common practice for the region, the other possibly a bit aggressive. Opinions may vary ofc.

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 4:21 pm

Are you guys not familiar with adverse possession and its elements?

Yes. adverse possession basically means, say a neighbor can take possession of property if that possessor can demonstrate exclusive possession over a period of time.

It bears zero relevance because all the neighboring countries, and then some, use the S China Sea.

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 4:24 pm

Because you’re prepping for a war with them.

If they go to war over this, then we can expect to go to war with them over pretty much anything they demand. Appeasing the CCP won’t work because they will demand more and more.

Alamak!
February 19, 2024 4:35 pm

Sure, If I were one of the neighbors I would resist it too, but I’m not sure why anyone thinks China should ignore a claim it is has inherited which is obviously beneficial to itself

Following self-interest is a given but we do expect & hope for more given they signed UNICLOS freely. Can we not expect them to follow what they signed up to? Granted, other countries have also ignored arbitration or refused to sign up but that does not absolve them of their commitments …

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 19, 2024 4:35 pm

Hahaha. The Uncredible Luigi and the Slovenian Hag say Mr Potato Head is encouraging a surge in boat people arrivals

They must have Dem staffers advising them. That’s been the line lately on the US border: it’s all the Republicans fault. It’d be laughable except of course the MSM then parrots that line incessantly.

local oaf
February 19, 2024 4:38 pm

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Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Feb 19, 2024 3:31 PM

Large sign in my local bank to declare “Cheques on the way out.”

My credit union announced a few weeks ago they’re not honouring any more cheques written after May this year.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 19, 2024 4:41 pm

but I’m not sure why anyone thinks China should ignore a claim it is has inherited which is obviously beneficial to itself.

Um, “inherited” from whom exactly? China has zero right to the South China Sea atolls. Taiwan, Malaysia, Vietnam and the Philippines have much more of a claim.

Indeed mainland China should by right be under the political control of Taiwan, not the other way round, since Taiwan is where the legitimate government of China resides.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 19, 2024 4:43 pm

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/sexual-politics/2024/02/the-latest-feminist-phallacy/

Perth Cat’s may remember the story of the 30 second rapist – his wife and her best friend set him up, accused of rape, so the wife could get her claws on the marital home.
Took his own life, in the end.

Gutho
Gutho
February 19, 2024 4:43 pm

Re: the Taylor Swift hysteria
I am showing my age, but I remember Frank Sinatra at the Horden Pavilion and Judy Garland at the Old Sydney Stadium, all in respectful silence and without electronic help if I recall.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 19, 2024 4:49 pm

Speaking of TV series from the olden days that are difficult/impossible to find on streaming or DVD: Patrol Boat, with Andrew McFarlane & Robert Coleby, scooting around in an Attack-class, then a Fremantle-class, patrol boat.

Have just watched the episode in which the central theme was clearance divers. The only-on-TV script peripherals aside, how representative is the representation of clearance divers & what they do?

Crossie
Crossie
February 19, 2024 4:52 pm

shatterzzz
Feb 19, 2024 2:21 PM
Seekers, Shadows. Doesn’t that date me?!

Hank Marvin, guitarist .. The Shadows .. family lived a coupla streets over from me in Gateshead, County Durham ..

Annie and Shatterzzz, I am a Shadows fan and was glad I was able to see them in concert the last time they touring Australia, about 15 years ago. I was so impressed that they were almost note perfect in each and every number though there were quite a few guitar changes to get the right sound. That was money well spent.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 19, 2024 4:54 pm

From the government they defeated on the mainland.

So if the current regime in Beijing is the legitimate government of mainland China doesn’t that mean the current government of Ukraine is the legitimate government of Ukraine?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 19, 2024 4:58 pm

And in any case the illegitimate PRC regime can’t “inherit” something when the people they’re supposed to be inheriting from (the KMT) are alive and well.

Can’t have it both ways Dover.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
February 19, 2024 4:59 pm

We are back in Sydney as have experienced the worst storm – in terms of very close lightning – that I can recall in a couple of decades here.

From where I was perched high in my apartment eyrie I noticed that a lot of lightning was hitting ground – rather than flitting from cloud to cloud giving big plasma air-kisses. Could be climate change.

Or vaxxes. (Lightning is very sudden!)

I have also noticed that quite a few hollows in the local topography are have filled with mist which is only now rising and dissipating.

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 19, 2024 4:59 pm

From the article on the EV bust
Meanwhile, the EV is deeply loved by many as 1) a second car, 2) for well-to-do suburban commuters, 3) who own homes, 4) can charge overnight, and 5) have a gas car as a backup for cold weather and out-of-town trips.

3) who own homes

Or used to until the EV in the garage burned it down.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 19, 2024 5:08 pm

dover0beach
Feb 19, 2024 4:00 PM
We could speculate on the reasons, but we don’t need to. They want the right to be informed of all shipping going through the waters and the right to stop any vessel to audit the cargo. Just like owners.

So you have no practical reasons why China would do such a thing in a time of peace. Further, even if we concede a right to request an inventory and inspection, that will still only allow them to conduct those audits only to the extent that the cargo or activities fall within Article 19 Section 2 of UNCLOS. Moreover, if they were being too officious, shipping would just take the eastern seaboard route around Borneo and the Philippines.

First sentence: You are assuming that China sees the current period as a “time of peace”. The current almost frenetic military build-up suggests otherwise, even ignoring the rhetoric coming from Beijing.

Second sentence: Emperors of the Middle Kingdom have long demanded that foreign devils perform the kowtow. This seems to be the latest version of ritual humiliation before the holder of the Mandate of Heaven.

Third sentence: Economic warfare, to increase costs for China’s competitors.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 19, 2024 5:10 pm

dover0beach
Feb 19, 2024 4:12 PM

Why would I or anyone speculate on the mental machinations of a paranoid, arrogant, authoritarian and self-aggrandizing regime? They have no right to claim that or any right over freely used waters used for fishing and the peaceful transport of cargo.

Because you’re prepping for a war with them.

Or are they preparing for a war with Taiwan, Japan, South Korea?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
February 19, 2024 5:11 pm

Wow!

I used the word ‘eyrie’ and then there they suddenly are.

That is supposed to be how it works with demons, isn’t it?

What else has Eyrie decided not to tell us?

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 19, 2024 5:12 pm

Dover

Sure, If I were one of the neighbors I would resist it too, but I’m not sure why anyone thinks China should ignore a claim it is has inherited which is obviously beneficial to itself.

If the claim lacks merit, why should others not ignore it, including passing trade and local fisheries?

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 5:16 pm

Sick to death of this ‘appeasing’ rhetoric.

If people are using it, it may have something to do with you repeating the same arguments to support the CCP claims.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 19, 2024 5:16 pm

dover0beach
Feb 19, 2024 4:47 PM
If they go to war over this, then we can expect to go to war with them over pretty much anything they demand.

They’re not going to go to war over the South China Sea.

At what point does the armed harassment of the peaceful activities of neighbours become war?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 19, 2024 5:17 pm

local oaf
Feb 19, 2024 4:38 PM
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Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Feb 19, 2024 3:31 PM

Large sign in my local bank to declare “Cheques on the way out.”

My credit union announced a few weeks ago they’re not honouring any more cheques written after May this year.

Will they still be doing Bank Cheques though?

JMH
JMH
February 19, 2024 5:20 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Feb 19, 2024 2:23 PM
JMH Feb 19, 2024 2:13 PM
I’m doing my bit. In the middle of last December, I decided to tuck the bankcard away. 98% or thereabouts is now cash.

? ? ? ? ?

Thanks, Sal. I would hope I’m not on my own – but I bet I am!

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 19, 2024 5:23 pm

Bruce of N

Indeed mainland China should by right be under the political control of Taiwan, not the other way round, since Taiwan is where the legitimate government of China resides.

Mainland China has never ruled over Taiwan, except during the occupation by the defeated forces of the Kuomintang after their expulsion from the mainland. Taiwan should either be independent, or returned to Japanese control, which it was under for decades prior to the Pacific War.

Then the UN should conduct an independence referendum as part of the de-colonisation process. The most recent election there suggests that Taiwanese independence from both the Japanese and Han Chinese would be the result.

Barry
Barry
February 19, 2024 5:23 pm

Gotta pay for a new car next week, just shy of $50k. Bank (ex credit union type) no longer does bank cheques, so my fingers will be fair shaking when I type in the BSB and Account to do an on-line transfer. Single wrong digit could be catastrophic.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 19, 2024 5:24 pm

Will they still be doing Bank Cheques though?

Seems bank cheques are next on the agenda. Uncles, with the habit of tucking a bank cheque, in a birthday card, for the next generation, will have to find another way.

JMH
JMH
February 19, 2024 5:25 pm

Re. my above to Sal. Wake up people. Without the ability to use cash – as we see fit, then we, as a society are royally stuffed. Think about it.
They want to control us. If we use ‘cash’ they lose an advantage.

Winston Smith
February 19, 2024 5:26 pm

Bruce O’Nuke:

Leading Australian economists Ross Garnaut and Rod Sims this week sought to shake up the carbon policy debate in Australia, by proposing a tax on the nation’s fossil fuel production. They claim it could raise A$100 billion in its first year and position Australia at the forefront of the low-carbon revolution.

The parasite continues to grow, its voracious appetite nowhere near sated as the host continues to weaken. The parasite will move on when the host dies, and it will feast again.

Err. No. When the host dies the parasite dies and finally realises what it has done when it slides down the gullet of the predator.

JMH
JMH
February 19, 2024 5:28 pm

? ? ? ? ? Um. These were supposed to represent ticks. ? OK.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 19, 2024 5:30 pm

Dover

If the claim lacks merit, why should others not ignore it, including passing trade and local fisheries?

Passing trade does ignore it, or is China currently not allowing innocent passage?

You forgot to mention the armed harassment of (particularly) Filipino and Vietnamese fishing boats.

And smoothly elided over the claim of right to stop and audit merchant vessels.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 19, 2024 5:32 pm

& # 1 0 0 0 3 ;

is a tick (remove spacings)
for a bold tick, swap 3 for a 4, eg: ϫ Ϭ

JMH
JMH
February 19, 2024 5:33 pm

Dover – bring back the friggin’ up and down ticks, FFS

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 19, 2024 5:34 pm

Ok, that worked well. 😕

Winston Smith
February 19, 2024 5:35 pm

Tom

Feb 19, 2024 11:45 AM
Muddy, The Tay Tay phenomenon is just the latest generation of pubescent and pre-pubescent girls putting their hysteria on display as they have done down through the generations.
There are women now in their sixties and seventies who were fainting teenies during the Australian Beatles tour of the 1960s.
It’s just what females of the species do.

It’s actually quite reassuring that some things never change.
Tom.
That’s a very brave thing to say. There are grandmothers here who will fillet you for that statement.
But multiple Biggus Tickus for you anyway.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 19, 2024 5:37 pm



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JC
JC
February 19, 2024 5:43 pm

Bankcard

Resembles the story NAB was skimming 10% on cash deposits in the 90s.

In February 2006, however, the Bankcard Association of Australia announced that it would phase out Bankcard by the end of that year, citing the exceptional growth of credit card operations and improvements in technology allowing member banks to perform their own data capture and processing in house.[2] Existing cardholders were offered alternative credit cards by their issuing banks.

It’s now just bullshit for its own sake.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
February 19, 2024 5:45 pm

Have just watched the episode in which the central theme was clearance divers. The only-on-TV script peripherals aside, how representative is the representation of clearance divers & what they do?

They probably wouldn’t have a clue.

Just heading towards the finish line of Digger’s excellent book. That’s where you find what Naval Clearance Divers do. A bloody tough job.

Winston Smith
February 19, 2024 5:46 pm

Digger:

The strength of our navy diminishes daily as government slashes ship building plans and who knows, with the runs on the board in stealing the South China Sea, perhaps the Arafura Sea is the next takeover prospect for the Chinese…

The Middle Kingdom has recently unearthed a map dating back to 2424 BC which establishes the 48 Dash line that – curiously enough – encompasses Australia and half of Africa. Levies will be made against the illegal settlers of the British Empire, along with a demand to vacate the continents which will be renamed as they were before the White Devils took them from the Peace Loving Chinese Settlers.

Top Ender
Top Ender
February 19, 2024 5:52 pm

how representative is the representation of clearance divers & what they do?

Well, tell us what they did in the episode?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
February 19, 2024 5:52 pm

Dover – bring back the friggin’ up and down ticks, FFS

Well, the upticks anyway. It is kind of satisfying to be able to give someone a pat on the back – so to speak – when they say something brilliant.

Downticks – not so important if the downticker is not going to articulate their objection and if they do then the post can attract its own upticks. No point with downticks for the like of Strapon – we know he’s a dick, and he knows we know, and we know he knows that we know…etc.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 19, 2024 5:54 pm

I don’t think I’ve ever disputed that.

So Dover you are saying that since the current government of Ukraine is legitimate, in accordance with the original referendum, then the invasion by Russia is illegal and the Russians should therefore cease their invasion and return the territories they are illegally occupying, including Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea, to the legitimate government in Kiev?

Nice try, Bruce, but the PRC’s claim over the South China Sea is the grounded on the same basis as its claim over Taiwan

The legitimate government of mainland China is the Kuomintang according to the precedents you seem to be maintaining. Therefore the claim the illegitimate government in Beijing has over the atolls is moot since if the claim is legitimate then the real claimant is the KMT in Taiwan.

For the same reason Russia has no claim over any part of post-Soviet Ukraine. You yourself have just proven that.

Now if you wish to make the case that the CCP is the legitimate regime in China by right of international recognition you must also recognize that the current regime in Kiev is the legitimate owner of all of Ukraine including DNR, LNR and Crimea since they are the internationally recognized government of those places.

As I said you can’t have it both ways. Which is the point I intended to make. You can argue one particular political position but not without being consistent about all the parallel political situations.

Currently no one seems to want to go back to the old “right by force of arms” political justification for ownership of some place or other. They can’t do that because if they did so then Israel would be legitimized.

International politics would be fun if it wasn’t so hypocritical.

Indolent
Indolent
February 19, 2024 5:54 pm

Dr. John Campbell

Loss of lives

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 5:59 pm

Dover

Nice try, Bruce, but the PRC’s claim over the South China Sea is the grounded on the same basis as its claim over Taiwan; namely, that it won the civil war and the rights and obligations of the ROC passed to it as the victor. The fact that it and not Taiwan has the chair in the SC and Ambassadors of China in nearly almost all sovereignty states more or less settles that matter.

Does this ambiguous statement suggest you support China’s claim over Taiwan?

Alamak!
February 19, 2024 6:00 pm

More uptrickery!

JMH
JMH
February 19, 2024 6:01 pm

Memo to CL. I have full respect for you. Your blog is now under attack from a couple of repulsive lampreys who couldn’t win here at dover’s. When you kill them, as you will have to in order to save your own credibility, as well as wanting the survival of a decent blog, then you have done Australian blogs a huge service. This has nothing to do with free speech. This has to do with common decency which has been severely lacking here at dover’s.

I wish you well, CL.

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 19, 2024 6:03 pm

Give it a rest, JMH.

Alamak!
February 19, 2024 6:07 pm

Does it attempt to exercise this now?

Yes, in aviation, within the ADIZ which overlaps other countries existing ADIZ. And fishing or supply vessels from other countries are now blocked and harassed within their own territorial waters in which they have freely acted for decades.

They do this against asian neighbours. It’s illegal and wrong, just that China is careful not to do it against anyone (yet) who could really push back.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
February 19, 2024 6:08 pm

Top Ender Feb 19, 2024 5:52 PM

how representative is the representation of clearance divers & what they do?

Well, tell us what they did in the episode?

Oh, yeah, that’d be an idea.
Best to watch it, Series One, episode Two “Rogue Mine”

Not having seen the series when it was broadcast, you can imagine my delight stumbling across it, after hearing so much about it for so many years.
Especially in light of so many inevitable comparisons to the longer running, better production values, better written, but storylines as credible as Peter Pan, Sea Patrol.

Indolent
Indolent
February 19, 2024 6:08 pm
JMH
JMH
February 19, 2024 6:08 pm

Bespoke
Feb 19, 2024 6:03 PM

Give it a rest, JMH

Why?

Do you actually know what I’m talking about? I suspect you don’t.

Rossini
Rossini
February 19, 2024 6:11 pm

Barry
Feb 19, 2024 5:23 PM
Try sending $10.00 to the dealer
Once they have confirmed receipt send the balance.
That’s what we did last year!
Hope that helps !

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
February 19, 2024 6:12 pm

The Bleeding Obvious!

We made the wrong decisions’: COVID-era mass school closures condemned

Closing Sydney’s schools was one of the biggest – and most controversial – calls during the pandemic. But was it really necessary?

Mass school closures that stretched for months during the pandemic were unnecessary and led to a cascade of social and educational problems that threaten a generation of Australian children, top education experts say.

Governments have failed to examine the fallout from one of the most far-reaching decisions prompted by COVID-19, which disrupted the schooling of millions of students and resulted in an attendance crisis and persistent behavioural issues.

A panel of pre-eminent Australian education experts has flagged the profound impacts that school closures during COVID-19 have had on students’ education and wellbeing.

They called for a plan for future closures that puts the long and short-term needs of children at the centre of policy decision-making.

The Sydney Morning Herald convened experts on education and child social development to assess the impact of COVID on students after the federal government failed to include the decision to close schools in its independent inquiry into how the nation managed the pandemic.

They included the chair of the NSW education regulator, Peter Shergold, and the National Children’s Commissioner Anne Hollonds.

Schools in NSW switched to remote learning in 2020 and 2021. Strict infection controls continued to interrupt learning and social interaction for months on end.

The COVID fallout: Education

This month marks four years since China’s COVID-19 outbreak was deemed a public health emergency of international concern, heralding the start of a traumatic period many of us would prefer to forget. While a federal government inquiry is examining some national responses to the crisis, key decisions made by states will not be properly scrutinised.

The Herald is concerned our political leaders have not adequately studied the lessons – good and bad – of our most recent experience, and we plan to ask tough questions over the coming months about the pandemic’s impact on education, health, border closures and lockdowns and policing. This is the first of our three-part series looking at the impact of COVID on education. The forum discussions with nine expert panellists were broken up into two sessions: one examining the wellbeing and behaviour of students, the second on academic and learning disruption.

The panellists warned the aftershocks of the decision to close schools are still being felt in classrooms, playgrounds and homes.

Some of the worst aspects were the skyrocketing truancy rate, school refusal and significant issues with student discipline and distraction in the classroom, and self-regulation in the playground.

Shergold, a former top public servant who led an independent review into the pandemic in 2022, said the lingering effects of school shutdowns on students, teachers and parents underscored the importance of scrutinising unilateral decisions by state governments to mandate remote learning.

In September, the federal government announced a long-awaited inquiry into the pandemic response, but school closures are not included in the terms of reference. Former NSW premier Dominic Perrottet has previously joined health experts in urging the inquiry to examine the social damage and repercussions of long periods of remote learning.

“The danger of school closures, which we always knew, was that it was going to accentuate disadvantage,” said Shergold. “After the closures in early 2020, we made the wrong policy decisions about closing school systems.”

In NSW, more than 1.2 million students either learned remotely or had minimal supervision in schools for more than five months. Schools were shut down between March and May in 2020, and then again in 2021 from July to the end of October. Hundreds of schools and childcare centres were closed again in the following months.

Unlike in Victoria, there was minimal supervision at schools for students, but attendance was discouraged. Shergold said the unity of national cabinet fractured as state governments forged ahead with decisions to shut schools, despite the federal government urging parents to send their children to classes.

State decisions were often politically driven, some panellists said, ignoring the risk of long-lasting impacts on young children and teenagers, especially the most disadvantaged students who were most affected by the closures.

“It was clearly the Commonwealth position to keep school systems open,” Shergold said. “It was states that were unpersuaded, and that’s why this present inquiry seems so bizarre that we’re not going to address their policy responses. It’s a crucial part of the story and ensuring that we’re better prepared for the next pandemic.”

He said early in 2020 there “was a fog of war, and there was ill preparation – in Australia between federal and state governments – for a pandemic”, noting it was understandable schools closed in the first months.

But after evidence emerged that children were less likely to spread the virus, and schools were not transmission hotspots, the system-wide closures were unwarranted, he said.

“We had Treasury pleading with us not to shut school systems.

Part of the issue was that parents started to voluntarily withdraw their children from schools, and they were voting with their feet … I think NSW reacted to that,” he said.

The state government also faced persistent pressure from the NSW Teachers Federation to shut down in-person classes, leaving minimal staffing to support essential frontline services workers.

Some of Sydney’s private schools began to defy official advice and close, putting pressure on other systems to follow suit.

The advice provided by chief health officers was that attending school represented a low health risk to students, and studies in 2021 reaffirmed transmission between children in schools was minimal.

Hollonds agreed the first closure early in the pandemic, which lasted seven weeks, was unavoidable, but the longer closure of 2021 was unnecessary.

“Maybe they should have only been short term, where there was a ‘hot-spot’, not the 15 weeks we saw across all of NSW,” she said.

She said the public debate over school closures not only ignored the needs of children, but demonised them as “germy super-spreaders”. “It felt Dickensian, some of that discourse,” she said.

Shergold noted that the shift to online learning was implemented well across systems and schools, and effort was made to address the digital divide. But he emphasised that after the first mass closures a more targeted approach should have been taken to only close individual schools when needed.

Adolescent psychologist Michael Carr-Gregg said school closures, service disruptions and remote learning not only stunted the educational progress of young people, but increased their stress, isolated them and reduced their physical activity.

“All of [this has] contributed to the deterioration of mental health among young people,” he said. “COVID has a long psychological tail.”

Chief executive officer of Catholic Schools NSW Dallas McInerney said for many key decisions, including those made in emergency cabinet meetings, “there was no schools’ voice in the room”.

“So who gave the advice, and who had the ear of the government, was the public health officials.

I think whatever legacy or maladies of the school closures, the public health officials own that, and those who accepted their advice,” McInerney said.

“The notion of school closures is totally dependable and justifiable, as long as it’s informed with policy precision.

That a whole school system should be shut down without nuance to that policy was the issue.”

Shergold pointed to an OECD report in September 2020 that noted few groups were less vulnerable to COVID than schoolchildren, “but few groups have been more affected by the policy responses to control the virus”.

“We knew what the impacts would be,” he said. “And there’s no doubt there was an accentuating of disadvantage.”

Australian Education Research Organisation chief executive Jenny Donovan agrees that school closures put a spotlight on the learning gap between disadvantaged students and their advantaged peers.

“In many instances, schools were very concerned about making sure the kids were present and visible online.

But attendance just went through the floor. And that has persisted as a problem for us, especially among the older age group of kids,” Donovan said.

Catholic Schools Parramatta Diocese head of wellbeing Greg Elliott said the debate about closing schools focused too much on the health and safety problems that related to infection, and not enough on the much wider health and safety problems that would result from keeping children away from schools.

“The various industrial bodies were very good at promoting that discourse around health and safety,” he said. “We need to think about health and safety far more broadly than that. We are still seeing the health and safety impacts of COVID in the families and children we’re serving.”

Behaviour, attendance and the school system’s inability to cope with students with special needs were issues before the pandemic.

COVID “revealed the vulnerabilities that were already there, amplified them, and was the catalyst to turn them into something more pathological,” Elliott said.

Hundreds of millions spent on tutoring for struggling kids.

The results are now in

In the independent report, Fault Lines, a panel led by Shergold concluded schools should have stayed open, and that that politics weakened the national cabinet’s effectiveness over time.

“State leaders insisted on going their own way, emboldened by their constitutional prerogatives.

Tough action on COVID-19, including the decision to close schools, was judged politically popular by many state leaders,” it said.

Shergold said he is particularly concerned about the long-term impact of school closures on 15- to 18-year-olds.

“This is the time you’re discovering your identity. I think we might be able to overcome the educational disruption,” he said. “But as for the impacts socially and for their mental health, I am not sure we realised just quite how severe the long-term effects were likely to be. Not just here but all around the world.”

A spokesperson said the NSW Department of Education acknowledged the “incredible work of our schools in supporting ongoing teaching and learning during COVID-19”.

“The department is updating our pandemic response as part of our continuous improvement program in emergency and crisis management. This builds on lessons learned from the pandemic and addresses all aspects of support,” they said.

The spokesperson did not directly answer questions on whether the department had reviewed or planned to review the decision to close schools, or whether it had conducted or will conduct a separate review or inquiry into the impact on wellbeing and education of NSW students.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 19, 2024 6:16 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWFRFuXcLi4

This one’s for military type Cats. Heavily modified S.L.R., fully Auto, 30 round magazine, used by S.A.S.R. in South Vietnam.

Indolent
Indolent
February 19, 2024 6:16 pm

She obviously made the mistake of not tossing her papers overboard before she got off the boat. There’d be no problem then.

Volunteer grandmother faces deportation after 40 years in Australia | A Current Affair

Bruce
Bruce
February 19, 2024 6:16 pm

Sancho Panzer:

Paramount and “Ten”?

There is a straight line from Paramount, via CBS to the Ten network

As I understand it, Paramount owns CBS TV, at the very least, and has done so for some time.

A few years back, CBS BOUGHT the Oz “Ten’ network. ergo…………

Vertical integration, anyone?

CBS has also LONG been the most “politically active” network, both in its “news” and in the “messaging” built into its commercial TV “products”.

Money and power; the usual.

mizaris
mizaris
February 19, 2024 6:22 pm

Hank Marvin, guitarist .. The Shadows .. family lived a coupla streets over from me in Gateshead, County Durham ..

And now he lives in the hills suburbs of Perth WA.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 19, 2024 6:24 pm

Dover

That looks like at least two centuries of Chinese rule at the least.

ceded to the Empire of Japan in 1895.

Looks like China ceded Taiwan to Japan, then Taiwan was briefly under KMT control post-WW II, much as The NEI was temporarily under first British/Indian, then Dutch control post-WW II.

Time for a referendum on decolonisation, which, based on the recent election results, would lead to full independence for Taiwan.

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 6:24 pm

Another angry letter.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 19, 2024 6:27 pm

dover0beach
Feb 19, 2024 5:52 PM
And smoothly elided over the claim of right to stop and audit merchant vessels.

Does it attempt to exercise this now?

They are claiming a right, based on a disputed claim to enclosed territorial waters. Until the Nine-Dash-Line issue is settled, they cannot exercise that right. For practical purposes, this is not likely to occur, it is simply another attempt to enforce the Kowtow.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 19, 2024 6:27 pm

Heavily modified S.L.R., fully Auto, 30 round magazine, used by S.A.S.R. in South Vietnam.

Basically a L2A1. We all knew how to convert a L1A1 into an auto. Nice vid though! The lock open thing is obviously wrong…cock, lock, look!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 19, 2024 6:28 pm

JC

Feb 19, 2024 4:21 PM

Are you guys not familiar with adverse possession and its elements?

Yes. adverse possession basically means, say a neighbor can take possession of property if that possessor can demonstrate exclusive possession over a period of time.

Exclusive possession and use, which is not objected to by the original owner.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 19, 2024 6:31 pm

We all knew how to convert a L1A1 into an auto.

The fun began when you handed the weapon back, at the armory, without removing the matchstick…there was a thriving black market in 30 round magazines…

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 19, 2024 6:32 pm

JMH

Feb 19, 2024 6:01 PM

Memo to CL. I have full respect for you. Your blog is now under attack from a couple of repulsive lampreys who couldn’t win here at dover’s. 

I know, right.
Why they don’t just stay at the Furniture Store is beyond me.

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 19, 2024 6:34 pm

LOL!!

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
February 19, 2024 6:37 pm

This has to do with common decency which has been severely lacking here at dover’s.

Since when JMH? Apart from the usual banter and shit stirring and ability to scroll I’ve never noticed a lack of common decency.

Are you gay?

Indolent
Indolent
February 19, 2024 6:40 pm
Winston Smith
February 19, 2024 6:48 pm

Boambee John:

Time for a referendum on decolonisation, which, based on the recent election results, would lead to full independence for Taiwan.

The tantrum that China would indulge in, would be heard on the Moon.
For a comparison, try taking the 13 year old daughters iPhone from her. Similar level of kinetic explosiveness.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 19, 2024 6:49 pm

So Dover you are saying that since the current government of Ukraine is legitimate,

No.

You just demonstrated they are. Can’t have it both ways.

Either China’s claim on the atolls is illegitimate or Russia’s claim on Ukraine is illegitimate for exactly the same reason.

So which is it…?

Indolent
Indolent
February 19, 2024 6:50 pm
JC
JC
February 19, 2024 6:51 pm

With respect to Russia, I’ve never said that the government of Ukraine is illegitimate, what I’ve argued is that the issues revolve substantively around neutrality/ NATO expansion…..

Instead of calling it NATO expansion. Call it Ukraine moving West.

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 6:53 pm

My position is that their claim is a matter between them.

And where do you stand, if the “claim between them” can’t be resolved and China attempts to invade Taiwan?

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 19, 2024 6:56 pm

With respect to Russia, I’ve never said that the government of Ukraine is illegitimate, what I’ve argued is that the issues revolve substantively around neutrality/ NATO expansion, and the treatment of the Russian speaking populations in the East and South.

Ya lying to your self.

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 6:56 pm

Dover, you’re deconstructing Chinese expansion attempts into a suburban dispute between property owners fighting over a couple of inches of a suburban plot.

JMH
JMH
February 19, 2024 6:57 pm

Sancho Panzer
Feb 19, 2024 6:32 PM
JMH

Feb 19, 2024 6:01 PM

Memo to CL. I have full respect for you. Your blog is now under attack from a couple of repulsive lampreys who couldn’t win here at dover’s.

I know, right.
Why they don’t just stay at the Furniture Store is beyond me.

Boom. Over target, thank you. Look at this gutless response from F/wit 2 on a mission to destroy CL’s blog.

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 7:00 pm

Than go over there and inform CL of your insight, you drama queen Bull Dyke. Stop trying to cause trouble here and fck off.

Tom
Tom
February 19, 2024 7:03 pm

JC
Feb 19, 2024 6:56 PM
Dover, you’re deconstructing Chinese expansion attempts into a suburban dispute between property owners fighting over a couple of inches of a suburban plot.

Thanks, JC.

Superb deconstructionist nonsense.

Are you sure you didn’t go to university with your kids?

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 19, 2024 7:07 pm

The PRC prevailed because it defeated the ROC militarily

Not over the Taiwan Straits. A bunch of brave ROC P-47 pilots ran up an astonishing kill ratio against the commies, 1949 to 1955. To i9nvade Taiwan you need air superiority. The commies never got.
See Greg’s Airplanes and Automobiles on Youtube for details.
Seems to be a little known episode in war aviation history. Someone should write a book or make a movie.

JMH
JMH
February 19, 2024 7:08 pm

JC
Feb 19, 2024 7:00 PM

Than go over there and inform CL of your insight, you drama queen Bull Dyke. Stop trying to cause trouble here and fck off.

This foul creature is on borrowed time. CL will not put up with it as dover has. It will be poetry in motion when the hammer comes down..

JC
JC
February 19, 2024 7:10 pm

And let’s not forget China’s commitment of One China Two Systems that disappeared soon after Satan’s rep took over the CCP. That wore well with time. It has a certain aging patina to it we can’t forget. The CCP has destroyed that thriving city state and couple of years.

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