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Knostrop Cut, Leeds, Sunday Night, John Atkinson Grimshaw, 1893

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DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
March 1, 2024 8:41 pm

In about five years they will. Ten maybe
China is turning into the world’s largest old people’s home.

Why should the ccp care? They’ll make it easier for the oldies to die off quickly. Help them do it cheaply. And there will always be some youngsters and babies.

Speedbox
March 1, 2024 8:43 pm

Roger
Mar 1, 2024 8:12 PM
Their demographics suggest otherwise.

I don’t really think that’s relevant to the long term plan. It’s not as if China will become a nation of a billion octogenarians.

100 million military age men/women. 200 million. 300 million. With vast economic clout and manufacturing base to match – much of which is either produced for the West (and others) or is copied.

Coupled with new alliances such as BRICS and others, whilst bullying smaller nations. The West will always be one alliance whilst the East is forging ahead with another and then there is India and parts of Africa and the ME. Today we would say that most of South America is a basket case – but in 50 years? China is developing a foot in all camps and their modus operandi is a mix of coercion, ideology matching, spying, infiltration or money.

But most of all, this is a long term game. Adjustments will occur from time to time and ‘bumps in the road’ will happen, but the overall pathway and goal is unwavering.

Muddy
Muddy
March 1, 2024 8:44 pm

Top Ender.
Do you know of anyone in Canberra who would be willing to visit the National Archives office there and copy a list of specific files for me please? I would be willing to pay them for their time and any reasonable expenses. I will also be specific about the folders or files required.

I’m not yet ready (I need to save my small change for a little longer), but am seeking an idea of whether the project I have in mind will be viable or not.

Cheers.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
March 1, 2024 8:45 pm

Saw it Megan and all the small businesses wiped out Bulleen rd before turning on to Manningham rd, so much so I missed the lights and ended up heading towards Templestowe before doing a u turn near the Yarra Club also closed. They’ve also assumed some of the Simpson Barracks training areas, DoD should have told Dan to go jump!

Guess overpaid sinecures for the CMFEU maaatttes trumps all hey. I did some research before and discovered there was a different route to the east of this one that didn’t make the cut and may still be needed. Eastern Fwy apparently going to 20 lanes where it merges. Short of assuming a whole lot more land I am miffed how it can be achieved and will be probably ugly to navigate.

Crossie
Crossie
March 1, 2024 8:50 pm

DrBeauGan
Mar 1, 2024 8:29 PM
In the end DEI is very destructive to the very people it purports to be helping.

DEI is affirmative action for blockheads. All the evidence suggests it has been working well. Lots of blockheads are now in positions of power.

These very same blockheads are now demonstrating to all and sundry why the DEI must die.

Roger
Roger
March 1, 2024 8:51 pm

I don’t really think that’s relevant to the long term plan. It’s not as if China will become a nation of a billion octogenarians.

Er…if present trends continue they will.

Their present average age is c. 40.

And their young women aren’t interested in marrying or having babies.

Diogenes
Diogenes
March 1, 2024 8:51 pm

Why should the ccp care? They’ll make it easier for the oldies to die off quickly.

I’ve heard speculation that this is what SARS-CoV-2 was intended to do.

Winston Smith
March 1, 2024 8:52 pm

Roger:

A fall could easily lead to a broken hip and an extended hospital stay could lead to pneumonia, the old man’s undertaker.

The correct quote is “Pneumonia – the old mans friend.” But yes, I would think it must be deliberate – they need him out of the way in a very non assassination way.

Crossie
Crossie
March 1, 2024 8:52 pm

DrBeauGan
Mar 1, 2024 8:41 PM
In about five years they will. Ten maybe
China is turning into the world’s largest old people’s home.

Why should the ccp care? They’ll make it easier for the oldies to die off quickly.

They can always follow Canada’s example where everyone who isn’t well is offered euthanasia if they can’t wait for treatment.

JC
JC
March 1, 2024 8:52 pm

Speedbox
Mar 1, 2024 4:15 PM

Speedbox, don’t ever get me wrong. If I make a negative comment on “Russia,” it’s always meant to mean the Putin regime, which I don’t like. I have no bad feelings towards the Russian people and see Ukrainians and Russians as broadly the same. But even people of the same stock at times want to pursue different directions.

Armadillo
Armadillo
March 1, 2024 8:52 pm

I would be willing to pay them for their time and any reasonable expenses.

Can you define “reasonable”? Are we talking airfares, accommodation, a slap up meal and FREE booze? If so, I might know someone.

Roger
Roger
March 1, 2024 8:56 pm

The correct quote is “Pneumonia – the old mans friend.”

I’m old enough to create my own phrases, Winston.

Death is no friend.

Muddy
Muddy
March 1, 2024 8:57 pm

Armadillo
Mar 1, 2024 8:52 PM

You forgot the ‘entertainment allowance’ Arma.

Armadillo
Armadillo
March 1, 2024 8:59 pm

I have no bad feelings towards the Russian people and see Ukrainians and Russians as broadly the same.

They both want to kill each other, so they have that in common I guess.

Speedbox
March 1, 2024 9:00 pm

For about 35 years the communists enforced a one child policy and now that is coming back to bite them. Uh huh. The key word here is: communist. They can mandate whatever they like. Offer money/glory/housing for those who have three or more children. Threaten dire social credit scores for those who refuse to comply. Restrict work opportunities, ban OS travel, send your family to the far west unless you do the right thing and breed.

As communists, there are plenty of levers to pull. Don’t think like an Australian – think like a communist dictator.

Winston Smith
March 1, 2024 9:00 pm

Oh, FFS you lot.
It was a regular advertisement in the 60’s in the personal columns. “Come home – all is forgiven.”
God only know what it was all about, but it was a throw away line that the sender and the receiver knew of what it was about.

JC
JC
March 1, 2024 9:01 pm

Why should the ccp care?

Influence. A growing or a stable population can mean a healthy and stable economy, which is important if you want to ensure your nation carries weight in the world. Japan in the 80s was the second largest economy in the world. they had some influence, albeit not as raucous as the Chinese. A country of old geezers loses dynamism, and China is fast becoming the largest nursing home in the world.

Roger
Roger
March 1, 2024 9:02 pm

As communists, there are plenty of levers to pull. Don’t think like an Australian – think like a communist dictator.

The young women aren’t interested in Xi’s incentives.

Winston Smith
March 1, 2024 9:04 pm

Real Deal

Mar 1, 2024 10:54 AM
MT, Winston and Wodney.

You appear to hate JC’s stoushing, but are goading him to respond to you. Why not just scroll on by?

Because it doesn’t work and hands the blog over to him whenever he has a bad week on the stock exchange.
Don’t think we haven’t tried the scroll by wheel.

Roger
Roger
March 1, 2024 9:06 pm

“It costs too much to give kids a decent life. The stuff they teach at school is propaganda, so I’d want to send them to an international school or abroad. But I can’t afford that,” said Kongkong, a 26-year-old researcher who swears she will not have children.

The last generation.

John H.
John H.
March 1, 2024 9:07 pm

Roger
Mar 1, 2024 8:51 PM
I don’t really think that’s relevant to the long term plan. It’s not as if China will become a nation of a billion octogenarians.

Er…if present trends continue they will.

Their present average age is c. 40.

And their young women aren’t interested in marrying or having babies.

Chinese citizens are losing a fortune on the real estate market. China is now aiming for food independence. It has sequestered agricultural land for future use and is encouraging young people to return to the country and grow stuff. Good luck with that, hasn’t worked anywhere else.

Japanese and South Korean, women across the world, are losing interest in being stuck at home. That’s typical of human nature, when a person is exposed to a lifestyle that offers so much(career, money, travel, entertainment), asking them to give that up, even if the alternative is a biological imperative, is somewhat optimistic. It is an example of human behavior that I find so strange, the ability to transcend the most biological imperative of a species. Our frontal lobes will be our extinction.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
March 1, 2024 9:08 pm

And their young women aren’t interested in marrying or having babies.

You’re a nice bloke, Roger. It’s a terrible handicap in understanding how evil bastards work.
Young women can be forced to have babies whether interested or not.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 1, 2024 9:11 pm

The Australian stock market closes at a record high. More champagne, anyone?

JC
JC
March 1, 2024 9:12 pm

More importantly, Japan reached a standard of living where, even though the population is falling and doing so quite dramatically,  the country is wealthy enough on a per capita basis to take care of its elderly by drawing down savings.

The Chinese population is not wealthy enough to emulate Japan and especially so with the old geezer avalanche coming at them.

Per capita incomes

Japan: 44,570 PPP dollars 
China: 19,160 PPP dollars

China is now getting close to peaking and reaching the stage where GDP growth becomes minuscule to negative, like Japan.

Crossie
Crossie
March 1, 2024 9:12 pm

It seems nobody on Sky knows how to pronounce Mardi Gras, they are all pronouncing it like grass, even Jack Houghton. The ignorance of the young is glaringly obvious.

Crossie
Crossie
March 1, 2024 9:16 pm

Speedbox, don’t ever get me wrong. If I make a negative comment on “Russia,” it’s always meant to mean the Putin regime, which I don’t like. I have no bad feelings towards the Russian people and see Ukrainians and Russians as broadly the same. But even people of the same stock at times want to pursue different directions.

JC, this is pretty much my philosophy.

JC
JC
March 1, 2024 9:17 pm

Those three are the mental giants of the site. I don’t know how the site could survive without their unique input.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
March 1, 2024 9:18 pm

Most of the young chinese are out here infesting our universities on student visas.

Then easily converted into citizenship apparently.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 1, 2024 9:19 pm

DrBeauGan
Mar 1, 2024 9:08 PM

And their young women aren’t interested in marrying or having babies.

You’re a nice bloke, Roger. It’s a terrible handicap in understanding how evil bastards work.
Young women can be forced to have babies whether interested or not.

It will be fascinating to watch the mental contortions of the leftards when The Handmaids Tale becomes CCP policy.

MareeS
MareeS
March 1, 2024 9:22 pm

The forgotten PMs Harold Holt and John Gorton, Liberal Party, ended Australia’s conscription and our time in Vietnam. My husband served 1966-7, just saying.

Gough the imposter had nothing to do with Vietnami, He is a fraud who should die in history.

Rabz
March 1, 2024 9:24 pm

It costs too much to give kiddies a decent existence

Indeed it does, which is why I never had any (that I know of).

Every western country on this planet (and presumably a few on other planets elsewhere) are toast.

The massive long overdue civilisational collapse will happen in our lifetimes.

Soon, would be my ever so ‘umble prediction.

This unrepentant invasion of incompetent western “nations” by stupid violent arrogant entitled unemployable welfare hoovering z-grade third world imbeciles will continue for as long as it needs to, until the entire ridiculous potemkin global village (with idiots a plenty) collapses under the weight of its massive myriad absurdities.

Hopefully, I’ll be existing in a safe remote space when this inevitable event occurs, Cats. 🙂

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 1, 2024 9:26 pm

Gough the imposter had nothing to do with Vietnami, He is a fraud who should die in history.

I’m only too proud to say I despised the useless fraud, and his gang of champagne socialists.

JC
JC
March 1, 2024 9:27 pm

It will be fascinating to watch the mental contortions of the leftards when The Handmaids Tale becomes CCP policy.

It can’t work. That’s just Doc thinking he’s doing equations ignoring the human element. You need a ratio of 2.1 to maintain population stability.

Okay, the CCP demands all sheilas have a kid. That still gets them to 1. Two kids? Naaa.

Indolent
Indolent
March 1, 2024 9:27 pm
JC
JC
March 1, 2024 9:29 pm

There is a possibility of a Brave New World in say 100 years time. And the use of Robots.

Indolent
Indolent
March 1, 2024 9:33 pm
John H.
John H.
March 1, 2024 9:35 pm

JC
Mar 1, 2024 9:27 PM
It will be fascinating to watch the mental contortions of the leftards when The Handmaids Tale becomes CCP policy.

It can’t work. That’s just Doc thinking he’s doing equations ignoring the human element. You need a ratio of 2.1 to maintain population stability.

Okay, the CCP demands all sheilas have a kid. That still gets them to 1. Two kids? Naaa.

At least 3 required JC. It would be a disaster. An unwanted child is going to be neglected if not abused. A generation of dysfunctional adults, increased crime, psychopathy, and mental illness. I don’t think the CCP will go down route. If it did there would be a huge surge in hysterectomies.

JC
JC
March 1, 2024 9:39 pm

At least 3 required JC. It would be a disaster. An unwanted child is going to be neglected if not abused. A generation of dysfunctional adults, increased crime, psychopathy, and mental illness. I don’t think the CCP will go down route. If it did there would be a huge surge in hysterectomies.

The one child policy was relatively easy to control. If a woman was found to be pregnant a second time around, she’d be forced to have an abortion and that was the end of it. Third time, the same.

You can’t force people to have kids as it would turn out to be impossible to implement for the reasons you suggest.

Winston Smith
March 1, 2024 9:39 pm

dover0beach

Mar 1, 2024 2:01 PM
Dover, you’d think the train lines would be one of the first things taken out.

Have a look at a map of Russia and its rail transport network and get back to me.

Stalin said after the war this ability to shift 50 Divisions from the High Command reserves 2000km over the rail network north to south and back again was key to the Russian ability to outnumber and overwhelm Germany at various parts of the front.
Many Russian wartime railways were temporary – laid on sleepers directly on the ground. No ballast required or used. The trains were slow, but they kept the fronts supplied.

JC
JC
March 1, 2024 9:40 pm

And imagine the grey market in the morning after pill.

Rabz
March 1, 2024 9:41 pm

young women can be forced to have babies whether interested or not
It will be fascinating to watch the mental contortions of collectivists when the Handmaids Tale becomes CCP policy

Hollyweird always essays preposterous scenarios where imaginary non-collectivist societies exploit the wombs of womanages to portray whatever staggeringly stupid ideas might have passed fleetingly through the former’s cavernous empty skulls.

As for good ol’ china, the “one child policy” has produced outcomes that are not exactly ideal, as even Greg “green as envy and existing in a garbage bin” Sheridini could hysterically allege.

You want a “handmaids tale”, Hollyweirdos?

Go and look up the result of collectivism as imposed on various previously functional societies, ever.

You’ll hopefully notice the same results, although given how staggeringly stupid you are, this is not a given.

Hint – low birthrates, gettin’ ever lower … 😕

Bespoke
Bespoke
March 1, 2024 9:44 pm

Roger
Mar 1, 2024 12:26 PM
The American obsession with race is absurd.

Could it be like Australia, an obsession only held by a minority?

Bespoke
Bespoke
March 1, 2024 9:47 pm

RUS would grind the Europeans into dust.

Cope!

Rosie
Rosie
March 1, 2024 9:47 pm

I got it Winston

Muddy
Muddy
March 1, 2024 9:49 pm

Gough the imposter had nothing to do with Vietnami, He is a fraud who should die in history.

The media thrives on theatre – provide it (willingly or otherwise), and they will pay attention to you, at least for 30 seconds.

The majority of the population is still controlled by the provision of circus entertainment. It is the media which allows us to be entertained in safety and comfort.

Former POTUS Trump knows the value of entertainment to feed the masses. Conservatives? Mime artists in rigor mortis.

Learn or perish.

Zafiro
Zafiro
March 1, 2024 9:49 pm

If I make a negative comment on “Russia,” it’s always meant to mean the Putin regime, which I don’t like.

Putin is not keen on what has been happening to the West in the last 30 years, and which has been rapidly accelerating lately. You know, all the kooky leftist destruction we complain about day in, day out. Globohomo would love to get it’s claws into Russia. But that won’t be happening on Putin’s watch. He also laughs at Climate Change.

Rosie
Rosie
March 1, 2024 9:52 pm

It was perfectly possible to give children a decent Catholic education, holidays, health care, extra curriculum activities etc throughout the nineties and zeros, even on a comparatively low income.
My two married daughters both work part or full time and have four little children between them, both own a house with a mortgage, neither say it’s impossible.
Australia isn’t China.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
March 1, 2024 9:56 pm

Always good to see Jack with is dad. Watching them drop camels is not fun to watch. However, there are millions out there running amok and culling has to be done.

Many from around the world want to join. Jack has stated if he did so, his insurance premiums would go through the roof.

—-

Jack Out The Back:

Mustering Interrupted again!

Winston Smith
March 1, 2024 9:56 pm

The Russians aren’t going to use their best equipment in the first stages of a war. They realise they are going to lose equipment at a rapid rate, it doesn’t have to be it’s best stuff.
The T90 has probably been issued to it’s interior troops, just like it did with the T34.
Germany thought it was going to be up against T26’s.
The T34 was a bloody nasty surprise.
Read “Inside the Soviet Army” by Victor Suvorov. It gives the Russian war fighting philosophy a good look.

JC
JC
March 1, 2024 10:01 pm

Zafiro
Mar 1, 2024 9:49 PM

Why are you making it a fundamentally flawed (binary argument?

If you despise the western “Globohomo” why would you therefore have to love Putin?

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
March 1, 2024 10:05 pm

Anyone able to cut/paste the piece by Stephn Rice in the Oz about the slapper payout? If it’s been done I’ll scroll back

Looking at you ZK2A 🙂

Digger
Digger
March 1, 2024 10:05 pm

Winston

Stalin said after the war this ability to shift 50 Divisions from the High Command reserves 2000km over the rail network north to south and back again was key to the Russian ability to outnumber and overwhelm Germany at various parts of the front.

The Soviet Union produced just 446 locomotives during the war, with only 92 of those being built between 1942 and 1945. In total, 92.7% of the wartime supply of railroad equipment by the USSR was provided by the US through Lend-Lease. including 1,911 locomotives and 11,225 railcars.

They would have struggled without that support.

Rabz
March 1, 2024 10:06 pm

St Goug the imposter had nothing to do with Vietnamini, he was a fraud who should have been interred in Cabramatta, which he wasn’t happy about becoming a “refuge” for those Asian Balts who did not share his lerve of da communism

The exponential decline of this country can be traced back to St Goug’s feral election win in December 1972.

He was a man that had some achievements before becoming PM. The most obvious being that he was an air navigator in the RAAF for four years during World War II. He was a barrasite following the war.

He was a literal contemporary of my ol’ man and my uncle, the latter of whom practised as a GP in Cabramatta from the fifties onwards. I remember my aunt telling me that she used to see Madge shopping in the local supermarket in the late sixties and early seventies.

I have very mixed feelings about St Goug. At least he got out there and risked his house sized backside defending this country.

As for every other loathsome quisling labore imbecile since, fugggeddabboooddittt … 😡

Zafiro
Zafiro
March 1, 2024 10:06 pm

If you despise the western “Globohomo” why would you therefore have to love Putin?

More a case of The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Speedbox
March 1, 2024 10:10 pm

Speedbox, don’t ever get me wrong. If I make a negative comment on “Russia,” it’s always meant to mean the Putin regime, which I don’t like. I have no bad feelings towards the Russian people and see Ukrainians and Russians as broadly the same. But even people of the same stock at times want to pursue different directions.

I missed your comment until Crossie made a remark.

I’ve never thought your Russia comments were directed at ‘the people’. It has always been clear to me that your venom is directed at Putin specifically, and his regime.

Rabz
March 1, 2024 10:13 pm

The one child policy was relatively easy to control.

Its inevitable results, not so much.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 1, 2024 10:13 pm

Your wish is my command, oh Barking Toad……

Higgins’ claims in $2.4m payout contradicted by her own evidence: lawyers

By stephen rice
NSW Editor
5:56PM March 1, 2024

Brittany Higgins made 11 separate representations about her alleged rape in her $2.4m settlement with the commonwealth which were either false or contradicted by her own evidence in the defamation case brought by Bruce Lehrmann, his lawyers have claimed.

In newly released submissions by the parties to the case, Mr Lehrmann’s lawyers set out a detailed comparison of the claims Ms Higgins made in the Commonwealth deed, signed in December 2022, with her evidence in the still-to-be-decided defamation case.

The Albanese government paid Ms Higgins $2.445m in a settlement that relied entirely on her version of events, after a single-day ­mediation that excluded evidence from her former boss, then ­defence industry minister Linda Reynolds.

Earlier this year, The Australian revealed that the National Anti-Corruption Commission was examining a complaint by Senator Reynolds against Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus over his handling of the Higgins settlement, to determine if an investigation should be launched.

Among the claims made by Ms Higgins in the settlement deed, but disputed in a submission by Mr Lehrmann’s legal team, led by Steven Whybrow SC:

– that Mr Lehrmann got into Ms Higgins’ taxi on the night of the alleged rape without her agreement (she testified she had agreed);

– that he directed the cab to stop at Parliament House without her agreement (she gave evidence that she “just went along with it”);

– that he directed her to get out of the cab (she testified that “I don’t know why, but when it stopped I got out too”);

– that they didn’t speak on the Monday afterwards (they had coffee and exchanged emails).

Mr Lehrmann’s lawyers also point to claims made in the deed which have been strongly disputed in evidence, including that Ms Higgins told Senator Reynolds’ then chief of staff Fiona Brown that he had sexually assaulted her, an allegation always vehemently denied by Ms Brown.

They also pointed to a claim by Ms Higgins that on 11 April 2019, Ms Brown said it was Ms Higgins’ problem to deal with the issue of sick leave for her mental health and also needing time off work to assist the AFP in its investigation.

By that date Ms Brown was no longer an active Chief of Staff, Mr Lehrmann’s lawyers noted, “let alone the unbelievable aspect of the supposed response to such a request for help with sick leave due to mental health issues”.

Ms Higgins’ evidence in the defamation case was that by 3 April 2019, Ms Brown “just disappeared …she left” and that by 5 April 2019 she had “stopped being our acting chief of staff”.

In the Deed, Ms Higgins claimed that: “Ms Brown made it clear by her words and demeanour that the events of 22/23 March 2019 must be put to one side; that (Ms Higgins) ought remain silent about the sexual assault, in order to keep her job/career”.

In the defamation case, Ms Higgins struggled to answer questions from Justice Michael Lee about anything Ms Brown had said, as opposed to what Ms Higgins “felt”, that indicated she should be silent about the alleged rape.

The settlement deed also stated that Senator Reynolds had not engaged with Ms Higgins at all during the election campaign. “She avoided (Ms Higgins) and made clear that she did not want (Ms Higgins) attending events with her,” the settlement deed stated.

In fact, Ms Higgins was photographed seated next to Senator Reynolds during the election.

Giving evidence at the defamation trial, Ms Higgins said she was “accidentally” seated next to the Minister because she was one of the last to arrive.

In response, Ten’s lawyers said that any suggestion that Ms Higgins had a financial motive for the rape allegations was “incoherent” when she had made the complaint years before the settlement and that the complaint against the Commonwealth dealt not with the rape itself but the way it had been handled.

“To the extent that there might be matters in the deed with the Commonwealth that are objectively wrong or inconsistent with factual findings that are made in this proceeding, those are not matters bearing on the central fact that Court must decide,” Ten submitted.

“Strikingly, the allegation of rape in the deed is entirely consistent with all other accounts that Ms Higgins has given of that event,” Ten said.

Mr Lehrmann’s team conceded that his evidence “was in a number of respects unsatisfactory, and it would be open to the Court to form an adverse view of his credit” but rejected claims that he was “a compulsive liar”.

Mr Lehrmann’s lawyers also accepted that it was open to Justice Lee to make adverse findings about some of his conduct, and that those would be relevant to assessing the real damage caused to his reputation.

As to his claim that he went back to Parliament House that night to work on Question Time briefs, it “might appear implausible, (but) does not for that reason alone, render it untrue or fantastic or that of a fantasist.”

Mr Lehrmann’s evidence about the number of drinks he bought Higgins at the Dock bar was wrong, they conceded, but so too was the evidence of other witnesses that night , who all “had no reason to retain minute details of this night and it is unrealistic to expect anyone to do so, almost 2 years later.”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 1, 2024 10:17 pm

I have very mixed feelings about St Goug. At least he got out there and risked his house sized backside defending this country.

Stanley Bruce, Earle Page, and John Gorton all saw active service – Page and Gorton were both wounded.

Rabz
March 1, 2024 10:20 pm

Cats, unless any of you can suggest a better theme*, tomorrow night’s radio show will essay the big fat glitter covered 3:00am in the RA showgrounds bleeding obvious.

Here’s a hint

*FFS, please do 😕

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
March 1, 2024 10:20 pm

Haha – thank you.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
March 1, 2024 10:25 pm

As communists, there are plenty of levers to pull. Don’t think like an Australian – think like a communist dictator.

Most here cannot. It’s just as well, no doubt.

Winston Smith
March 1, 2024 10:33 pm

Boambee John:

Ammonium nitrate in the holds of a ship fueled by oil? Possibly with some leaks from the fuel tanks to the holds?

Do ships these days still use Bunker Oil or Diesel?
Doesn’t Bunker oil have to be heated before it can flow to the engine?

Armadillo
Armadillo
March 1, 2024 10:38 pm

Something classical for the radio show would be nice. Mozart?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 1, 2024 10:39 pm

Reading Simon Heffer’s excellent history “Staring at God: Britain in the Great War.”

“August 5th, 1914, (The day after the declaration of war) Webley and Scott, purveyors of service revolvers to the officer class, increased the price from 5 guineas to 10 pounds, outraging Members of Parliament.” (Page 91.)

Rabz
March 1, 2024 10:41 pm

russia would have struggled without that support

Western allied “aid” to the soviet union in WW2 was a war crime, as far as I’m concerned.

The western allies (being staggeringly stupid, again) should have sat back and watched those two totalitarian states tear each other to pieces.

Stalin was jointly responsible for WW2 in Europe. His cowardice and expediency enabled the germans to overrun most of western Europe in 1940.

Talk about backing the wrong horse (again).

Speedbox
March 1, 2024 10:42 pm

JC
Mar 1, 2024 9:39 PM
The one child policy was relatively easy to control. If a woman was found to be pregnant a second time around, she’d be forced to have an abortion and that was the end of it. Third time, the same. You can’t force people to have kids as it would turn out to be impossible to implement…..

Bless your cotton socks.

For the reasons I laid out upthread. To repeat: The key word here is communist. They can mandate whatever they like. Offer money/glory/housing for those who have three or more children. Threaten dire social credit scores for those who refuse to comply. Restrict work opportunities, ban OS travel, send your family to the far west unless you do the right thing and breed. As communists, there are plenty of levers to pull. Don’t think like an Australian – think like a communist dictator.

JC – imagine this. You are the supreme lord of all you survey. Literally the power of life and death. You deign to allow some free choice in some matters but ultimately, you can force people to live and work when and where you tell them. You can control their movements in country, and forbid them to leave. A word from you and parents/grandparents can be whisked away. You can seize or grant property. You control the police, the military, the courts of law and the bureaucracy of government. All of your minions are solidly in line behind you. You brook no opposition. Your word can be, literally, law.

But, you notice all is not well with your nation’s demographics. Breed you command and feed/educate all your children. In your magnificence, you offer a reward for those who comply. Think of the power you have over recalcitrants. Make an example of the first few and the others will fall into line.

MatrixTransform
March 1, 2024 10:49 pm

The Cat is like a pub

it’s the shitty carpet
the smell of toilet lollies wafting through from the dunnies
and the sound of pokies from the other room

bad music on Saturday nights
bar stool philosophy
and sports-ball on TV with the sound turned down

deep fried schnitzel with chips
and empty kegs left in the street next morning
opens at 11 am

Salvatore, Iron Publican
March 1, 2024 10:55 pm

The Cat is like a pub

it’s the shitty carpet
the smell of toilet lollies wafting through from the dunnies
and the sound of pokies from the other room

We frequent very different styles of pub.
Veev ler difrence, or something.

MatrixTransform
March 1, 2024 10:56 pm

geez SpeedBox … that’s basically JC’s wet-dream

MatrixTransform
March 1, 2024 10:58 pm

We frequent very different styles of pub

are you saying that you actually have quality music in yr pub?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 1, 2024 10:58 pm

The Cat is like a pub

Waking up next morning, with the hangover from Hell “Cheez, Miss, what was your name again?”

Salvatore, Iron Publican
March 1, 2024 10:59 pm

are you saying that you actually have quality music in yr pub?

Pubs ain’t for music, bloke.

MareeS
MareeS
March 1, 2024 11:00 pm

ZKTA, men like you and the spouse are the spine of Oz, and our kids out in the mining zones are carrying it on.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 1, 2024 11:01 pm

We frequent very different styles of pub.

The lights come on, the band stops playing, the couple having a quick “How’s your father” in the corner are thrown out, the lights go out, the band goes on?

Salvatore, Iron Publican
March 1, 2024 11:02 pm

Having been into eleventy-eleven dozen pubs in my life, I don’t recall even one with …. carpet … on the floor.

I’ve put 2 floors into a pub, carpet wasn’t either of them, nor did it enter my head, for even a millisecond, to lay down carpet.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
March 1, 2024 11:05 pm

ZKTA, men like you and the spouse are the spine of Oz, and our kids out in the mining zones are carrying it on.

Thank you, MareeS, all the best to you, and yours.

Rabz
March 1, 2024 11:07 pm

Cats, this is what we like to see and hear in our beloved rowdy public bar – Eddles, as I overheard him in the other bar, on the Dunkley Bye election:

I’m predicting 16%, Albo gone by Easter, and a May election

16%? Bring it on!

As for Eddles’ crystal ball allegedly being “faulty”, tune in this time tomorrow evening, Cats.

You know you might just like to, I tells ya! 🙂

MatrixTransform
March 1, 2024 11:11 pm

I don’t recall even one with …. carpet … on the floor

nothing posh

not one of those tile clad leagues clubs in NSW that’s more like a fish-bowl or a swimming pool

I’m fondly recalling memories of our favorite below street level Melbourne bars of years past

where pagers didn’t work and the carpet was sticky

or the Punter’s Club Fitzroy where the music was awesome but you could feel the squelch under-foot

Salvatore, Iron Publican
March 1, 2024 11:13 pm

where pagers didn’t work and the carpet was sticky

or the Punter’s Club Fitzroy where the music was awesome but you could feel the squelch under-foot

Total mystery why some of us don’t lay down carpet. 😉

Rabz
March 1, 2024 11:13 pm

The lights come on, the band stops playing, the couple having a quick “How’s your father” in the corner are thrown out

As “the couple” are being removed from the (obviously respectable) premises:

“Yeah, but I lerve the Suzanne, I tells ya – even when she’s allegedly being bad! :)”

Iron Cove
Iron Cove
March 1, 2024 11:15 pm

Geez Sal my drinking hole in rural NSW (from age 16 to 19) even had carpet up the walls in one of the two bars.

MareeS
MareeS
March 1, 2024 11:20 pm

Not doing a Lizzie, but this evening we had a boozy catch-up between the spouse and old mate, both Vietnam vets 1966-7, and all of us media types in our afterwards careers.

One hates Trump, I really rate Trump. He hates Dutton, I think Dutton has possibilities. He hates Albo, so we are 100% there. Husband drew a nice cartoon of dreadful politicians gathered in the same room.

Tom would like it, but old boy won’t let me share. (His cartoons are known in the Black And White Artists Society,)

Salvatore, Iron Publican
March 1, 2024 11:20 pm

Iron Cove Mar 1, 2024 11:15 PM
Geez Sal my drinking hole in rural NSW (from age 16 to 19) even had carpet up the walls in one of the two bars.

Some do. There’s various reasons why. They’re a real bastard after a few years, rotting base being the main problem.

In addition to anything else, they’re a real bastard to get blood out of, particularly if there’s a few litres of it gone into the carpet & been there for 12 hours or more.

I’m sure I’ve drank in pubs where the floor is carpet, just that I don’t recall any of late.

Rabz
March 1, 2024 11:22 pm

Poland – considered post WW1 to be an obscenitee by the germans and russians and subsequently smashed out of all recognition as of ’39.

WW1 working it’s magic, again.

If I wanted to make an enemy of mine cower in their dunlop volleys, I’d simply state the following: We’re going to go all “Brest Litovsk” on your house sized backside, Squire.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
March 1, 2024 11:23 pm

MareeS Mar 1, 2024 11:20 PM
Not doing a Lizzie, but…

Do a “Lizzie” all you like MareeS, some of us get quite a lot out of living vicariously.
Besides, it is a bluddee fool who cannot learn something from everybody they meet.

MatrixTransform
March 1, 2024 11:23 pm

Sal,
I’m sure your establishment is first rate … for Queensland
but this is Melb … just saying that unless there’s a little bit of grunge then its hard to be comfortable and enjoy a pot

on a serious note … Melb not that long ago had some dastardly dives
if The Cat is a bar … it reminds me a lot of that

it can be pretty skanky in here

Rabz
March 1, 2024 11:25 pm

f*cking apostrophes undermining my totally objective recounting of various historical events, yet again!

John H.
John H.
March 1, 2024 11:25 pm

But, you notice all is not well with your nation’s demographics. Breed you command and feed/educate all your children. In your magnificence, you offer a reward for those who comply. Think of the power you have over recalcitrants. Make an example of the first few and the others will fall into line.

But the USSR didn’t control alcoholism, Putin hasn’t controlled corruption, many regimes can’t improve quality control or creativity, China hasn’t controlled real estate stupidity and it is too late to fix much of that damage. The West has implemented many measures to boost breeding but without success. Behavior is malleable but let’s not commit the behaviorist error of thinking behavior always modifiable through inter-response intervals, aversion training, positive and negative reinforcement and whatever else magic tools they claim to have(most behaviorists never thought that) . If what you say is possible a great many social problems would be controlled. Make an example of a few and the rest learn better how not to get caught.

MatrixTransform
March 1, 2024 11:27 pm

ps … deliberately avoiding blood in the carpet jokes

Salvatore, Iron Publican
March 1, 2024 11:31 pm

Matrix: There’s pubs aplenty on TV & in movies in Australia. Many of these scenes are shot inside actual pubs.

The only depiction I recall of a pub/pubs where the TV made it feel like a pub, was the series Stingers (1998-2004) a cops & robbers type show set in Melbourne.
The pub scenes in that show are the only ones I’ve ever seen that felt fair dinkum, instead of a carboard cut-out or a faked movie set.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
March 1, 2024 11:35 pm

deliberately avoiding blood in the carpet jokes

??? I’m struggling to see a joke angle to this.

I feel like the Chaser boys, when challenged on why they didn’t make skits of Labor politicians doing stupid things, they were genuinely puzzled & responded that how can they do a send-up of Labor pollies, as Labor pollies don’t do stupid things.

Rabz
March 1, 2024 11:35 pm

But the USSR didn’t control alcoholism, the Pute hasn’t controlled corruption, blah blah blah, I tells ya …

Zzzzz …. 😕

Rabz
March 1, 2024 11:39 pm

Why is the existence or otherwise of hideous (and very sticky) pub carpet a subject of discussion on this evening’s open thread, FFS?

Winston Smith
March 1, 2024 11:40 pm

Speedbox
Mar 1, 2024 10:42 PM

But, you notice all is not well with your nation’s demographics. Breed you command and feed/educate all your children. In your magnificence, you offer a reward for those who comply. Think of the power you have over recalcitrants. Make an example of the first few and the others will fall into line.

Exactly – and very reminiscent of the Biden governments treatment of the Jan 6th tourists.

Winston Smith
March 1, 2024 11:42 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican
Mar 1, 2024 11:02 PM

Having been into eleventy-eleven dozen pubs in my life, I don’t recall even one with …. carpet … on the floor.
I’ve put 2 floors into a pub, carpet wasn’t either of them, nor did it enter my head, for even a millisecond, to lay down carpet.

The best ones have sawdust.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
March 1, 2024 11:42 pm

Why is the existence or otherwise of hideous (and very sticky) pub carpet a subject of discussion on this evening’s open thread, FFS?

Tomorrow’s radio show should not be about Mozart – as some philistine suggested – but about Chopin.

Rabz
March 1, 2024 11:44 pm

When we could be identifying one of the many hundreds of current and previous labore members of parliament that have sold this country to the CCP for much much less than 30 pieces of silver.

Consequently, there is no such creature as an “Ozzie”, Cats.

Get used to it. 😡

Iron Cove
Iron Cove
March 1, 2024 11:46 pm

Sal, that was the f#@k bar; the second was the fight bar, floor to ceiling tile.
Not that the punters particularly respected the demarcation.
In 1980 found myself on the other side of a bar in Redfern. Not for the light hearted!
Saw the last of the SP bookie world. Took a few calls, held a bit of cash. A different world.

John H.
John H.
March 1, 2024 11:46 pm

Rabz
Mar 1, 2024 11:35 PM
But the USSR didn’t control alcoholism, the Pute hasn’t controlled corruption, blah blah blah, I tells ya …

Zzzzz ….

I have control over your arousal levels. Behaviorism 1, CBT 0

Salvatore, Iron Publican
March 1, 2024 11:47 pm

The best ones have sawdust.

Isn’t that more the School of Arts hall, rather than the pub?

Zafiro
Zafiro
March 1, 2024 11:47 pm

Circa mid/late ’80s. The Waterside (cnr Flinders and King). Markillies (Flinders, near cnr of Spencer) and Savoy Tavern (cnr Spencer and Bourke). They were some serious dives. Used to work around that end of town for a while. Savoy had carpet.

Winston Smith
March 1, 2024 11:49 pm

It’s been a long day – awoke early after having a nightmare about – it’s the truth! – carpet.
I raced into Longreach just in time to save myself from a nasty mistake.
But now I’m going to bed.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
March 1, 2024 11:53 pm

Saw the last of the SP bookie world. Took a few calls, held a bit of cash. A different world.

✓ ✓

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
March 1, 2024 11:54 pm

Part-time bovver boy, earlier:

Apparently, my Mazda MX5 was parked on Park Street

Your MX5?

Your what?

Do you mean…. your Miata?

Oh my lord.

Dot
Dot
March 2, 2024 12:03 am

I always knew “Rage Against The Machine” were commie bastards, this seals it for me:

Lars von Retriever’s North Korean Army Band Jamboree: Killing In The Name Of

MatrixTransform
March 2, 2024 12:04 am

Why is the existence or otherwise of hideous (and very sticky) pub carpet a subject of discussion on this evening’s open thread, FFS?

omfg … even the DJ’s getting cranky

MareeS
MareeS
March 2, 2024 12:08 am

Salvatore, send me your pub location, I can guarantee you a funny night at the bar. Spouse and I are good value, life well lived on land and sea, we wonder how we ever did it and so do our kids.

I keep promising to write a book, but I’m a journalist, he’s an artist, and our backstory is too ridiculous to put on paper. There aren’t enough trees.m

Dot
Dot
March 2, 2024 12:08 am
MatrixTransform
March 2, 2024 12:10 am

Circa mid/late ’80s. The Waterside …

all early openers too.

me and a mate used to play pool for money after-hours at the Waterside

… it was a thing

Dot
Dot
March 2, 2024 12:11 am

New OT up.

Really?

Really?

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
March 2, 2024 6:32 am

Dot, where on earth did you dig up that music?

Kim fleetingly looks human.

Boambee John
Boambee John
March 2, 2024 8:48 am

Winston Smith
Mar 1, 2024 10:33 PM
Boambee John:

Ammonium nitrate in the holds of a ship fueled by oil? Possibly with some leaks from the fuel tanks to the holds?

Do ships these days still use Bunker Oil or Diesel?
Doesn’t Bunker oil have to be heated before it can flow to the engine?

Not an expert, but unless they are using coal, sails or electric, some kind of liquid fuel seems essential.

Bunker oil might (again I don’t know) to be head, but in the climate of the Red Sea, would probably seep into the holds if there are leaks in the fuel lines.

In either case, wise men might be a little careful approaching a potential bomb, even for a good salvage price.

Top Ender
Top Ender
March 2, 2024 10:02 am

Muddy.
Do you know of anyone in Canberra who would be willing to visit the National Archives office there and copy a list of specific files for me please?

That’s not how they work these days.

1. find the file online
2. if it’s digitised you can read it online
3. if not, follow the links and pay a set fee – about $25
4. they will email you when it’s found and photographed and placed online.
5. now read online.

Cheers.

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