Open Thread – Mon 8 April 2024


The City of God, Christopher Delni Offord, 2000s

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JC
JC
April 10, 2024 5:52 pm

Over on Dover’s Cope thread, where I believe he’s reached erroneous conclusions (but I’ll leave that aside) :-), the site enjoyed the presence of our Thought Leader (recently aka’ed Juan Peron, or simply Juan, in honor of his economic hero).
 
Juan suggested that the US went free trade under Ronald Reagan, which is really quite delusional.
 
He backed this up by suggesting that, because Milton Friedman was one of the administration’s economic advisors, Reagan ran with a free trade policy.
 
I’m posting Juan’s commentary here because, at times, I see some other people make similar suggestions. The back and forth is unfortunately nested, so people are unlikely to view it.
 

The last forty years of “free trade” and globalisation weren’t inspired by libertarian economists? Are you seriously arguing that the drive to globalisation, erosion of borders and the rise of “free” trade policies weren’t helped along by libertarian ideology?

Utter crap.

More here, on his utter crap commentary

This is very far from the truth. While Reagan went pretty hard at deregulating the US economy, most of his focus was domestic policy, and in fact, Reagan was actually quite protectionist at the time.
 
Friedman’s influence carried through on the domestic front, and if he advised the administration on trade policy, it was all for naught.
 
This is a decent background on the Reagan administration’s actions on the trade front. The PDF is a good read.
 
….the Reagan administration has failed to promote free trade. Ronald Reagan by his actions has become the most protectionist president since Herbert Hoover, the heavyweight champion of protectionists.
 

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Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
April 10, 2024 5:53 pm

Martin Hamilton-Smith of the SAS association:
We can’t build a barbeque, let alone a submarine. Our soldiers were not given due process by the defence hierarchy when allegations emerged about Afghanistan operations.
Too right!
Our SAS should be feared, not litigated. Give them the 007 license to kill if you want them to be effective. Otherwise nobody is going to sign up.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 10, 2024 6:00 pm

Another general, Teshayahou Gavish, warns that if Hussein, King of Jordan, were overthrown, Israel should immediately seize the West Bank.

May be about to happen.

MK Illouz Introduces Bill to Annex Jordan Valley on Oct. 7, 2024 (7 Apr)

The message to Palis from the Knesset, including the Jordanian Palis is FAFO. This would constitute the FO bit.

Indolent
Indolent
April 10, 2024 6:01 pm
Indolent
Indolent
April 10, 2024 6:04 pm

Wanna bet that if it keeps on cooling they’ll switch over seamlessly to global cooling? They’ve already done it once. In the late ’80s when the scam really got going they were going to go with global cooling, until they noticed that it was actually getting warmer, so they switched over.

@catturd2

This was by far the coldest March I’ve ever seen here in North Florida in over 30 years – and it’s not even close. It’s still in the 40s most every morning. They act like we aren’t actually living on planet earth or something and will just believe their bullshit.

Arky
April 10, 2024 6:07 pm

You couldn’t make this up. The resident expert on everything from battery technology to military strategy :

Reagan was actually quite protectionist at the time.

The “protectionist” Reagan, who both employed Milton Friedman as an advisor and said this:

We are reminding our trading partners that preserving individual freedom and restoring prosperity also requires free and fair trade in the marketplace. The United States took the lead after World War II in creating an international trading and financial system that limited governments’ ability to disrupt free trade across borders. We did this because history had taught us an important lesson: Free trade serves the cause of economic progress, and it serves the cause of world peace.

What a protectionist. Full blown autarky, that Reagan.

Indolent
Indolent
April 10, 2024 6:16 pm

Dr. John Campbell discussing a paper published in the Australian Journal of General Practitioners

Trickle of truth

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 10, 2024 6:21 pm

Marles has bat crud.

Richard Marles staying at home after testing positive for COVID hours after press conference with Anthony Albanese (Sky News, 10 Apr)

Richard Marles has revealed he has tested positive for COVID and is staying at home “out of an abundance of caution”, with the diagnosis coming just hours after a press conference in Canberra with Anthony Albanese.

I wonder how many times he and Albo have been vaccinated and boosterized?

Roger
Roger
April 10, 2024 6:25 pm

Richard Marles staying at home after testing positive for COVID hours after press conference with Anthony Albanese (Sky News, 10 Apr)

Is he sick?

The current medical advice in QLD & I would expect elsewhere in Oz is if asymptomatic go about your business as usual.

Are we no longer heeding the experts? Heaven forefend!

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JC
JC
April 10, 2024 6:30 pm

The Juan Peron apologist replies.

1/ What Reagan said and what he did are two different things. As I suggested, people should read the PDF and determine if Reagan was a free trader or in fact a protectionist.

2/. While Friedman was an advisor on economic policy, he had no influence on trade policy.

Juan also suggested Friedman was in favor of open borders. Again, total crap. Friedman stated many times that open immigration and a welfare state were incompatible.

Rather than explain his faulty beliefs, he presents snarks and ill founded opinion backed by stupid assertions.

He blames Libertarians for free trade policy. Meanwhile, the two governments that dismantled a great deal of Australia and New Zealand’s tariff and quota walls were Labor governments.

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rosie
rosie
April 10, 2024 6:30 pm

Did Israel ever occupy Port Said?
I don’t think it did.
Wiki tells me Egypt evacuated the entire city in preparation for the 1973 war and allowed them to return afterwards.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
April 10, 2024 6:32 pm

Iron horse!

Escaped horse gallops into NSW train station (Sky News, 10 Apr)

The animal escaped its Warwick Farm home in Sydney’s southwest and travelled through heavy rain to the populated station. … The horse was escorted off the platform and is reportedly doing fine after its adventure.

Maybe she wanted to catch the train to Rosehill railway station to show solidarity with the bell frogs.

Reported plan to move Sydney’s Rosehill racecourse to endangered bell frog habitat surprises conservationists (Grauniad, 26 Mar)

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Arky
April 10, 2024 6:38 pm

What Reagan said and what he did are two different things. 

-Einstein, 2024.

Uh…

..The Reagan Administration has decided on a series of measures to lift trade restrictions against China imposed over the years because of its Communist Government, and also to hold extensive talks on possible sales of military equipment.

-New York Times, 1981.

What he did, you effeminate buffoon, is employ Milton Friedman as economic advisor and propel the US on a course towards NAFTA and preferred trading status for China.
Unlike every previous Republican president throughout US history, who WERE unashamed protectionists.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 6:46 pm

What he did, you effeminate buffoon, is employ Milton Friedman as economic advisor and propel the US on a course towards NAFTA and preferred trading status for China.

China had GDP about the size of Vermont at the time, you clown. If only he had the vision of a self described mathematician and manufacturer.

Effeminate buffoon? What hair color for men is popular these days, Margaret?

Unlike every previous Republican president throughout US history, who WERE unashamed protectionists.

Very easy to present an argument that he acted on free trade. Show the fcking evidence or fck off.

Go!

chrisl
chrisl
April 10, 2024 6:47 pm

When I was young my father used to put me inside car tyres and roll me down a hill
They were good years !

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 6:49 pm

dover0beach

April 10, 2024 6:46 pm

Unfortunate that this had to brought over to the OT.

It’s more of an open thread topic and not the cope thread, no?

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Arky
April 10, 2024 6:54 pm

Effeminate buffoon? 

..

Yes.
Effeminate buffoon.

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JC
JC
April 10, 2024 7:00 pm

Buffoons color their hair and do comb overs for bald spots.. Trump excepted of course.

Roger
Roger
April 10, 2024 7:01 pm

A 66 y.o. Kingscliffe, NSW man has managed to inflict mortal stab wounds on a 29 y.o. intruder despite one of his arms being nearly severed by the axe wielding miscreant who was in company with another.

“We will be examining the circumstances surrounding the incident, in particular the conduct of the occupant and if his conduct was necessary and proportionate to the threat that was posed to him”, said NSW police.

The offenders and the homeowner were reportedly not known to each other.

FFS…if the facts are as reported and drugs are not involved give the man a medal for bravery.

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132andBush
132andBush
April 10, 2024 7:08 pm

Muddy

April 10, 2024 12:37 pm

(and so the start of the demise of Indigenous ways of life).

O.K., sirius question:

Hypothetically, say that The Great Southern Paradise (TM) was NEVER discovered by any individual or nation. For whatever reason, no European, Asian, Melanesian, etc. knew of its existence.

In the absence of any external influence (including small-scale trade), what might now, in 2024, be the state of the disparate indigenous groups?

After a few very tight times about 5-6 years ago, culminating in a rather large conflagration (Uncle Lionel swore it was only meant to be 1000 acres for a bit of roast roo, not the couple of million it turned into), the years have been very plentiful and the grain stores are over flowing.

Arky
April 10, 2024 7:08 pm

Bald spots result from testosterone.
I’ll take your word on hair colour, never had use for any hair care other than running the number two clippers over the whole thing to satisfy Army.

cohenite
April 10, 2024 7:10 pm

Meanwhile, the two governments that dismantled a great deal of Australia and New Zealand’s tariff and quota walls were Labor governments.

Which begs the question why, since the liars are neither libertarians or free trade exponents.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 7:11 pm

The wrongology is actually fascinating.

What he did, you effeminate buffoon, is employ Milton Friedman as economic advisor and propel the US on a course towards NAFTA

Reagan had zero to do with NAFTA. Nothing, no course set and the sails were down.

No, Ronald Reagan did not initiate NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement). NAFTA was actually initiated by President George H.W. Bush. During his tenure, negotiations for NAFTA began, but it was under President Bill Clinton’s administration that the agreement was finalized and signed into law in 1993. Ronald Reagan served as President of the United States from 1981 to 1989, well before the negotiations for NAFTA began.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 7:13 pm

Bald spots result from testosterone.

The comb over results from estrogen?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
April 10, 2024 7:14 pm

chrisl
 April 10, 2024 6:47 pm

When I was young my father used to put me inside car tyres and roll me down a hill
They were good years !

Dragon:

Dragon – young years (1988)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUg1a6cwBGs

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 7:16 pm

Exactly.

Now you understand. Unfettered free trade comes from the left. Always has.

Wilson, FDR were Republicans, yeah?

Which is why historically Republicans were protectionists and for a hundred years every Democrat President always, ALWAYS dismantled tariffs.

Wilson, but more so FDR, imposed the largest and the most far reaching trade restrictions in US history. Both Republicans. 🙂

Just like all your “libertarian” social policies are from the LEFT. You are of the left.

As Dot schooled you last evening, Libertarians are actually more conservative than most conservative parties.

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thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
April 10, 2024 7:23 pm

A 66 y.o. Kingscliffe, NSW man has managed to inflict mortal stab wounds on a 29 y.o. intruder despite one of his arms being nearly severed by the axe wielding miscreant who was in company with another.

Proportionate would be getting a time machine tracking down his mum and punting her in the vadge till she was sterile.
Then, just to be sure, mulesing and elastratoring dad.

Was it proportionate should consist of “did the lump of shit deserve everything he got”?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
April 10, 2024 7:24 pm

This is how you belt the Nazis and Left Wing Nut Jobs –

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_El_Alamein

An Allied Army of the Best of the West. Please come back.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 7:31 pm

Which begs the question why, since the liars are neither libertarians or free trade exponents.

Nice question beg, Cronkie. I was around at the time as a trader.

Particularly NZ, but Australia just a little less so. We were basically done for and fast becoming the Argentinas of the Pacific. Our currency reserves were running out and our protected industries were basket cases totally dependent on government protection. Living standards were dropping like a stone.

They had to float, or rather sink the two dollars and removing protection and even then consumer goods were less expensive.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
April 10, 2024 7:36 pm

Wilson, FDR were Republicans, yeah?

Err when?

Franklin Delano Roosevelt[a] (January 30, 1882 – April 12, 1945), commonly known by his initials FDR, was an American statesman and politician who served as the 32nd president of the United States from 1933 until his death in 1945. He was a member of the Democratic Party

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
April 10, 2024 7:43 pm

Wilson, but more so FDR, imposed the largest and the most far reaching trade restrictions in US history. Both Republicans. 

NO. FDR was NOT a Publican let alone a Republican. LOL

Arky
April 10, 2024 7:43 pm

Hawke and Keating rescued Australian foreign currency reserves?
You utter clown.
Reserves fell during the Hawke government, the relevant year for the “reforms” being 1984:
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/Australia/reserves_monthly/
..
Per capita the results were EVEN WORSE:
https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2012/dec/7.html

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
April 10, 2024 7:48 pm

Wilson, but more so FDR, imposed the largest and the most far reaching trade restrictions in US history. Both Republicans. 

NO. FDR was NOT a Publican let alone a Republican. LOL

NOT another Typo from The Great One? FDR a Republican? FFS

That is so funny………………………

Arky
April 10, 2024 7:59 pm

FDR and tariffs?
Are you prepared to be wrong YET AGAIN?
You should be used to it by now.
FDR, a Democrat, did indeed, as all Democrats do, reduce tariffs:

The Reciprocal Tariff Act (enacted June 12, 1934The Act served as an institutional reform intended to authorize the president to negotiate with foreign nations to reduce tariffs in return for reciprocal reductions in tariffs in the United States up to 50%. It resulted in a reduction of duties. This was the policy of the low tariff Democrats in response to the high tariff Republican program

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 8:01 pm

Hawke and Keating rescued Australian foreign currency reserves?

You utter clown.

Reserves fell during the Hawke government, the relevant year for the “reforms” being 1984:

We had a few months supply of foreign reserves when the exchange rate was controlled by the RBA. Prior to the float reserves were literally collapsing and the headwind was getting stronger by the hour. The currency system at the time (fixed exchange rate) would have meant a zero balance in foreign currencies at an accelerating rate.

The float meant that transactions would take place between private buyers and sellers through intermediaries and there would be no need for the RBA to hold significant reserves.

Reserves fell during that period because the RBA was intervening to slow down the fall. Our terms of trade was deteriorating badly with a fall in commodity prices.

I can’t figure, why Archimedes would think this was an important topic to raise.

m0nty
m0nty
April 10, 2024 8:06 pm

Excellent to see economics in the OT. Better than fishwife gossip about the legal cottage industry that has metastasised around Bruce Lehrmann.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 8:07 pm

Johnny Rotten April 10, 2024 7:48 pm

Wilson, but more so FDR, imposed the largest and the most far reaching trade restrictions in US history. Both Republicans. 

NO. FDR was NOT a Publican let alone a Republican. LOL

NOT another Typo from The Great One? FDR a Republican? FFS

That is so funny………………………

Woddenhead, it was meant as a joke. Now go tend to the lady boy.

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Indolent
Indolent
April 10, 2024 8:08 pm
rosie
rosie
April 10, 2024 8:11 pm

Dunno Dover apparently a census in 1967 put the north Sinai population at 33,000.
Even if it were another 50,000 Israel could have taken them on as citizens. My understanding is Israel traded land for peace, at least with Egypt they got it.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/sinai

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 8:11 pm

FDR and tariffs?

Are you prepared to be wrong YET AGAIN?

You should be used to it by now.

FDR, a Democrat, did indeed, as all Democrats do, reduce tariffs:

I’m happy to be wrong, but I’m not. It was a reciprocal trade authority and not the same thing as unilateral free trade, and after Smoot Hawley it was sorely needed seeing the US had the highest tariffs in US history.

Are you prepared to finally fess up and state Reagan did not enact free trade, or too busy with the comb?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
April 10, 2024 8:12 pm

Johnny Rotten
April 10, 2024 7:24 pm

This is how you belt the Nazis and Left Wing Nut Jobs –
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_El_Alamein

An Allied Army of the Best of the West. Please come back.

And then the 8th Army which was a Commonwealth Army along with the Yanks went right up and did not hurt the Vatican/Rome (too much history and stolen money and jewels) belted the Krauts and went north into Northern Italy……How dare they.. And then they kept going to free Europe.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
April 10, 2024 8:20 pm

I’m happy to be wrong, but I’m not.

I bet that you are never happy OR to be wrong.

So was FDR a Democrat or not? He was. Get real. And own up. Otherwise, you have no integrity.

Arky
April 10, 2024 8:22 pm

My claim:

every Democrat President always, ALWAYS dismantled tariffs.

You: But, but, but what about FDR?
Me: posts link to show FDR reduced tariffs.
You goal post shift: That’s not really free trade.

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Muddy
Muddy
April 10, 2024 8:24 pm

The reconstructed* Australian indigenous culture ONLY exists because it is profitable.

It is a form of trade that was gifted by non-indigenous Australians; an economic opportunity unavailable internally (within the indig. community/ies).

The opportunities available from this non-indigenous sponsorship (knowingly or otherwise), have been taken for granted, however. The broader interest in, and respect for, Australian indigenous history and culture, has become akin to paying a stranger to spit in your face. We, the non-indigenous, pay on several levels to submit to denigration, disrespect, and extortion. Our generosity – then and now – has, and is, being used against us.

I for one, am over it. It’s time to claim the non-indigenous ownership of indigenous ‘culture.’ We embraced you, but you urinated down our legs. You might not have any self-respect, but I used to. I want it back.

* I have no problems with elements of any culture being reconstructed, as long as everyone is honest about it. Every other culture in the history of human civilisation has been subject to ebb and flow, rise and fall, adapt or perish. As I wrote at some point recently, this reconstructed indigenous culture has ONLY been possible because of genuine European interest (during the early decades of the colonies, and now).

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 8:25 pm

Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, U.S. legislation (June 17, 1930) that raised import duties to protect American businesses and farmers, adding considerable strain to the international economic climate of the Great Depression.

Juan reminded me of Smoot Hawley tariffs enacted in the early 30. People regard this action as one of the prime movers that caused the great depression. It was a diabolical action that Trump needs to be aware of if he gains office.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 8:27 pm

Woddenhead.

Of course FDR was a Republican. Go ask Socrates.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 8:29 pm

every Democrat President always, ALWAYS dismantled tariffs.

You: But, but, but what about FDR?
Me: posts link to show FDR reduced tariffs.
You goal post shift: That’s not really free trade.

I’m still waiting for the apology about Reagan.

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Baba
Baba
April 10, 2024 8:31 pm

rosie

 April 10, 2024 8:11 pm

Dunno Dover apparently a census in 1967 put the north Sinai population at 33,000.

Even if it were another 50,000 Israel could have taken them on as citizens.

You seem to have mislaid the West Bank.

2dogs
2dogs
April 10, 2024 8:40 pm

Chris Bowen is lying about both nuclear (https://tedobrien.com.au/opinion-piece-10-reasons-bowen-is-wrong-on-nuclear/) and renewables (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0NKDozvO58). Both the CSIRO and AEMO have been drawn into his web of lies.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 8:40 pm

Actually, I muddied it up. I thought Smoot Hawley was enacted during FDR’s first couple of months and didn’t recall it was signed by Hoover in his fading term in office..

Smoot Hawley a huge increase in tariffs and quotas, helped make the Great Depression even worse.

rosie
rosie
April 10, 2024 8:40 pm

Is the west bank in Egypt now?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 10, 2024 8:41 pm

Labor fears Muslim backlash at polls

  • Exclusive

By alexi demetriadi

  • NSW Political Reporter

and david tanner

Labor powerbrokers fear key western Sydney heartland seats with large Muslim populations are vulnerable to high-profile community independents running on pro-Palestine platforms, a key factor behind the ALP’s hardening stance against Israel.
The development comes as sources cited a multi-prong pressure push of Labor leaders waking up to a “moral” but also “political” imperative as key seats threatened to desert the party.
Israel’s actions across the past ten days, starting with the death of Australian aid worker Zomi Frankcom, had also given the party the reason and safety net to alter its stance and language.
Southwest Sydney seats with large pro-Palestine and Muslim voter bases that most concerned party figures include Jason Clare’s Blaxland, Tony Burke’s Watson and Anne Stanley’s Werriwa, as well as places like Parramatta, in western Sydney, and Wills, in Melbourne.
“The government has responded to recent events, and intense pressure both internally and externally,” said NSW Labor MP Anthony D’Adam, a key figure behind the NSW Labor Friends of Palestine.
“The moral case against Israel grows and the government is unable to continue ignoring it. (But) there is genuine concern that our position on the situation in Gaza threatens our hold on a range of southwest Sydney seats. This combination has forced the shift.”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 10, 2024 8:44 pm

The Oz cites the Labor Party as fearing a Mooslime backlash at the polls…..

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
April 10, 2024 8:50 pm

Amazing!

Just spoke to a Telstra help call centre based out of Brisbane … Brisbane! Not in Asia.

Now I have wait 4 hours for the phone to become active.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
April 10, 2024 8:52 pm

To wait….

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
April 10, 2024 8:54 pm

Arky
April 10, 2024 8:22 pm

My claim:

every Democrat President always, ALWAYS dismantled tariffs.

Really? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

The Big Problem in the Great Depression was they buggered it up. And Free Trade went out of the window, So, what did every other Country do?

What do you think they did? FFS

They did there own tariffs.

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Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
April 10, 2024 9:02 pm

JC
April 10, 2024 8:27 pm

Woddenhead.
Of course FDR was a Republican. Go ask Socrates.

You are the Dope that got it wrong. Own Up or Fark off.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 9:03 pm

Wodney

Stay out of these discussions as you’re not mentally equipped for this sort of thing. Stick to pasting Marty spam and practicing pick pocketing skills, you s/limey crook.

Baba
Baba
April 10, 2024 9:05 pm

Nor did they annexe the west bank after the 67 war, they’ve left it as a thorn in the side in perpetuity.

Was this you, Rosie?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
April 10, 2024 9:10 pm

JC April 10, 2024 7:16 pm

Exactly.

Now you understand. Unfettered free trade comes from the left. Always has.

Wilson, FDR were Republicans, yeah

This is your own stupid Quote. Own it or OR STFU In the meantime, I am laughing at you. Along with lots of others here.

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Arky
April 10, 2024 9:19 pm

Actually, I muddied it up. I thought Smoot Hawley

..
You know when someone is a no hoper when their only argument is the example given in every first year text on why “protectionism bad”, and they f*ck even that up.

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Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
April 10, 2024 9:20 pm

JC
 April 10, 2024 9:03 pm

Wodney
Stay out of these discussions as you’re not mentally equipped for this sort of thing. Stick to pasting Marty spam and practicing pick pocketing skills, you s/limey crook.

It is so easy playing with you as you are no KC and have no evidence whatsoever. And you have been repeatedly ARSEked. You must be a Gooner. LOL.

Please see above about FDR. Live and learn. Dipstick.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 10, 2024 9:22 pm

NT police caught with ‘black Monopoly’ – only option is go to jail

  • exclusive

By liam mendes

  • Reporter
  • 8:54PM April 10, 2024

A “racist” email depicting a “black Monopoly” Indigenous board game where every property on the board is the “go to jail” square has resurfaced after first circulating through members of the Northern Territory Police in 2008.
Screenshots of the leaked email, which has been doing the rounds across the NT Police force, has raised questions about the veracity of officers who have sworn affidavits claiming they had never witnessed racism within the force. It comes as a NT Police review, handed down on Tuesday, found Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal staff in Darwin “reported experiencing or observing racism and poor treatment of staff and community members at various times”. The review recommended “refresher training” for all staff.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 9:25 pm

This is your own stupid Quote. Own it or OR STFU In the meantime, I am laughing at you. Along with lots of others here.

I’m pretty sure even Juan understood it was meant as a sarc, which is why he never came at me. However, you’re the only individual here who would attempt to peddle a sarc comment and try to make hay out it. And you act offended when I and others refer to you as a lowrent limey crook. Now fck off as you’re wasting everyone’s time.

rosie
rosie
April 10, 2024 9:27 pm

You have a point? There was a general assertion that Israel didn’t absorb all these locations because they didn’t want to grant citizenship, I just made the point that in sparsely populated Sinai it would have hardly made a difference. The Bedouin actually benefited from the Israeli occupation with employment, infrastructure building and access to medical care etc.
Incidentally Egyptians have done a fair bit of ‘ethnic cleansing’ since they took over in 1982.
And you do know there are over two million Arabs and Bedouin living in Israel?
West bank was controlled Jordan, an entirely separate country to Egypt

This all stemmed from the ‘Israelis had a plan in 49 to take over.’
As though no other country with hostile neighbours had never wargamed what they might do in this or that circumstance.
What Israel would have done with Sinai would be turn it into something fertile and useful like they did with Israel.

Baba
Baba
April 10, 2024 9:33 pm

A bit more than wargames. They actually did it.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
April 10, 2024 9:34 pm

m0nty
 April 10, 2024 8:06 pm

Excellent to see economics in the OT. Better than fishwife gossip about the legal cottage industry that has metastasised around Bruce Lehrmann.

Translation:-
Bruce looks like winning big, so we now have to find a way of walking back three years of hysterical wailing based on a fabricated tale spun by a conniving tart.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
April 10, 2024 9:36 pm

Woddenhead, it was meant as a joke. Now go tend to the lady boy.

You would not know a joke unless someone blew up your arse with a big FAT balloon…………lol

LOL. Now, here you are with the Woodentops –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ckksjo6zI8&t=2s

And Mummy Woodentop says get back from the Fat Pizza Bar and get real. LOL.

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Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 10, 2024 9:43 pm

A “racist” email depicting a “black Monopoly” Indigenous board game where every property on the board is the “go to jail” square has resurfaced after first circulating through members of the Northern Territory Police in 2008.

Apparently this is a meme that has been circulating the wider interwebs, including those of other countries for year prior to that.

I have heard it said that this meme is also tinged with sarcasm, insofar as the hurdles it takes – considering the multitude of Koori courts and so on – to have an indig person actually incarcerated are significant, particularly when compared to poor old whitey.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
April 10, 2024 9:43 pm

Anyway, “Sliante.”

Reading “A First Rate Madness” by Nassir Ghaemi.

Seems Adolph Hitler had relatively severe bipolar disorder, for which his physician was administering opiates, barbiturates and amphetamines – the amphetamines both orally and intravenously…

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 10, 2024 9:44 pm

*For years prior to that*

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
April 10, 2024 9:50 pm

JC
April 10, 2024 9:25 pm

This is your own stupid Quote. Own it or OR STFU In the meantime, I am laughing at you. Along with lots of others here.

I’m pretty sure even Juan understood it was meant as a sarc, which is why he never came at me. 

Bull Shite. What a T,W,A,T you are – But I came at you –

Get Farked and you are so Farked up. You are a right Wanker and Dipstick if you don’t own up to a mistake. You LOOSER.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 10:00 pm

Arky

April 10, 2024 9:19 pm

Actually, I muddied it up. I thought Smoot Hawley

..

You know when someone is a no hoper when their only argument is the example given in every first year text on why “protectionism bad”, and they f*ck even that up.

This comment is a perfect illustration of why I have as much respect for you as I do for Woddenhead. Even though I made a mistake in not recalling that Smoot Hawley was signed by Hoover in 1930, thinking it was FDR, it presents a great example of why closing the economy to trade is terrible, seeing as it helped make the Great Depression much worse.
 
Conversely, as trade liberalization opened up after the war, living standards began to rise, particularly in the beaten-down countries in Europe.
 
When there was even more trade liberalization after the Cold War, something like 1.5 billion people came out of grinding poverty. Meanwhile, we have a hectoring, likely depressed former school teacher lecturing us that international trade is possibly the worst thing for humanity since the Ice Age.
Those megatrends aren’t a tell for you. You just want to see things like car manufacturing brought back to Australia, helped by tariff walls and quotas.
Let’s count your list of wrongolgies.
 

  1. Reagan implemented more trade liberalization. Wrong
  2. Friedman, a free trader, advised Reagan in favor of a protectionist trade policy. He didn’t have any influence on Reagan in this area.
  3. Reagan instigated NAFTA. He didn’t; Bush 1 did.
  4. Influential libertarians pushed free trade even though NZ and the Aus labor governments were the ones that reduced tariffs and quotas.
  5. Ridiculous analogy: a beer after work compares to a serious heroin addiction
  6. Duterte’s policy of mass murder (35,000 dead) was good policy.

There’s plenty more from last evening’s extravaganza, but I can’t really be bothered finding them.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 10, 2024 10:04 pm

This, from the loud elderly Pom who berates others for a perceived lack if English skills:

You LOOSER.

Next up from the ladyboy fancier:

‘I was invitted to this countery’
‘Socka is awesome’
‘I was a part time bover boy so shut up’
‘I would like to have an orgey this weekend’

Arky
April 10, 2024 10:07 pm

The pile up of utter stupidity so far:

  1. ”Free” and “subsidised” mean the same thing so the vaccines weren’t really subsidised, because I really like me some of dat jabby jabby.
  2. Reagan wasn’t in favour of free trade and only employed Milton Friedman because he liked his sweet chubby face.
  3. FDR never cut tariffs, until he did, and then he really didn’t mean it or something.
  4. Australia was about to lose all its foreign reserves until Hawke and Keating saved us,
  5. Reagan was a two faced liar, saying he was for free trade while actually being a protectionist. Don’t, whatever you do, look at the trade agreements he signed reducing tariffs. That doesn’t count because see excuse, I mean point 3 above.
JC
JC
April 10, 2024 10:13 pm

The currency system at the time (fixed exchange rate) would have meant a zero balance in foreign currencies at an accelerating rate.

Bullshit:

Your history recite is bullshit. They floated the Australian dollar in Dec 1983 at which time we were on a flxed/floating regime that was disastrous. The devaluation in early 83 saw a dive in foreign reserves which is why they devalued by 30%. Overnight interest rates were at 300% the evening prior to the devaluation.

Suggesting 83 was calm is like you would be saying Smoot Hawley was the greatest idea in US history and would cause a giant spike in economic growth.

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Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 10, 2024 10:14 pm

From immigrantinvest:

More than 300,000 Britons move abroad from the UK each year to boost their quality of life.

And reduce the quality of life for everyone in their adopted home.

Most of them go to the USA and Australia

In a desperate hope to reduce those countries to the drizzling, grey kipper-infested peat bogs they’re used to.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 10:16 pm

PS 300% interest rates were seen in the short term currency forward markets for overnight rollovers. From memory, overnight cash in the unofficial market was about 60%. For the banks, I don’t know.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 10:30 pm

”Free” and “subsidised” mean the same thing so the vaccines weren’t really subsidised, because I really like me some of dat jabby jabby.

Outright lie. Never said anything of the sort. I said that I paid to have all my vaxes. “Free” and subsidized have never meant the same thing and I never said anything suggesting that.

Reagan wasn’t in favour of free trade and only employed Milton Friedman because he liked his sweet chubby face.

Reagan hired Milt for economic advice. The fact that Milt was a free trader and Reagan ran a protectionist trade policy meant Reagan only listened to Milt on domestic policy, which he did.

FDR never cut tariffs, until he did, and then he really didn’t mean it or something.

Yep, Got me there, except Smoot Hawley was one of the main disasters that caused the Great Depression. You would have heartily supported Smoot Hawley.

Australia was about to lose all its foreign reserves until Hawke and Keating saved us,

Yep, if they didn’t devalue and eventually float, we would have had to have gone to the IMF for loans.

Reagan was a two faced liar, saying he was for free trade while actually being a protectionist. Don’t, whatever you do, look at the trade agreements he signed reducing tariffs. That doesn’t count because see excuse, I mean point 3 above.

And still can’t cope with the fact that Reagan was a protectionist. I know, for a egocentric doofus, it’s hard to admit you’re wrong. Try deep breathing exercises.

Seriously, you’d do well ghosting for Marty.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 10:35 pm

KD

You’ve brought up orgies with respect to the Ladyboy aficionado. Can you elaborate as I never saw what imbecile said about this.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 10:41 pm

No kidding Juan. You’re doubting there was a drain in currency reserves. You’re a mathematician of world renown, so what do you think happens in a lead up to a currency devaluation when there’s a fixed exchange rate?

  1. Do currency reserves rise?
  2. Do currency reserves fall?
  3. No change in reserves balance
  4. Trader combs hair over bald spots
  5. None of the above
  6. All the above.

Pick one.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
April 10, 2024 10:41 pm

Can you elaborate

There was some discussion on the OT a few weeks back on what people were doing on the weekend.

The elderly knotted-hankie wearer then announced that ‘an orgy was a wonderful idea’.

He didn’t specify how many ladyboys would be involved, nor how much amyl nitrite was required.

It’s true because every time I mention it he pulls his head in or reverts to Benny Hill jokes as a distraction.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 10:44 pm

Hahahaha

So it’s confirmed, Wodney’s gay. Not that there’s anything wrong with that in this day and age.

Arky
April 10, 2024 10:48 pm

The devaluation in early 83 saw a dive in foreign reserves which is why they devalued by 30%. Overnight interest rates were at 300% the evening prior to the devaluation.

..
Supply a reference to your 30% figure.
Go!

Arky
April 10, 2024 10:52 pm

so what do you think happens in a lead up to a currency devaluation when there’s a fixed exchange rate?

..
What do you think happens before an election with the high probability of electing a Labor government?
What do you think happens when the punters are expecting the currency to float?
Do you think your answers to these questions might explain the inflows and outflows somewhat?

Indolent
Indolent
April 10, 2024 10:56 pm

@bennyjohnson

The FBI is targeting Americans who have broken no laws—

The FBI is targeting Americans who have engaged in no violence or criminal behavior—

The FBI is targeting Americans for supporting creators that the government doesn’t want you to support.

It’s viewpoint discrimination.

Still think you live in a free country?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
April 10, 2024 11:07 pm

Of course he won. He’s Australian!

The beauty is, a boat load of Aussie cars are on their way over to compete.

It is going to be epic. Andrew Lynch is champing at the bit.

Things are starting to get SERIOUS! Cleetus Burnout Rivals!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g35UNbVf6Y

Arky
April 10, 2024 11:09 pm

“Free” and subsidized have never meant the same thing and I never said anything suggesting that.

Arky

You never again argue against state subsidies.

You took the subsidised vaccine

 Reply to  Arky

LOL.. I actually paid for the vaccine

..

You tried to refute the idea that the vaccines are subsidised by stating you paid for it. Thus, yes, LITERALLY in the precise meaning of the words in front of you, you did indeed say something suggesting exactly that. Either that or you are in the habit of making random non sequitors.
Give up the reference to the 30% devaluation. Or is that someth8ng else you fked up?

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 11:11 pm

Correction:

I think the devaluation in the early part of 1983 was 10% and not 30%

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 11:21 pm

You tried to refute the idea that the vaccines are subsidised by stating you paid for it. Thus, yes, LITERALLY in the precise meaning of the words in front of you, you did indeed say something suggesting exactly that. Either that or you are in the habit of making random non sequitors.

What’s random is your stupidity. If I paid for the vax , which I did, because I was told I was under the age where it was granted for free, how would I have received a subsidized vax? Furthermore, how does that suggest I don’t know the difference between a subsidy and something that’s free? What a stupidly lame argument.

You’re unable to make any logical conclusive argument to support your stupid views and you then try to burrow underneath to somehow suggest someone doesn’t understand a point or they’re lying.

Now answer my questions and the multiple choice above.

Go!

Arky
April 10, 2024 11:27 pm

JC

 April 10, 2024 11:11 pm

Correction:

I think the devaluation in the early part of 1983 was 10% and not 30%

So you tripled the severity of the problem to make your case.
This is hilarious. You steer the conversation to your one solitary area of actual expertise and you still can’t get anything right.

Oh come on
Oh come on
April 10, 2024 11:31 pm

Former Channel Seven Sunrise and Olympics reporter Nathan Templeton dies at 44

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-10/former-seven-sunrise-olympics-reporter-nathan-templeton-dies/103692554?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=other

A medical edisode whilst walking his dog. Totally normal, happens all the time. Happening all the time. And it has always happened – don’t forget!

Arky
April 10, 2024 11:33 pm

The pile up of utter stupidity so far:

”Free” and “subsidised” mean the same thing so the vaccines weren’t really subsidised, because I really like me some of dat jabby jabby.Reagan wasn’t in favour of free trade and only employed Milton Friedman because he liked his sweet chubby face.FDR never cut tariffs, until he did, and then he really didn’t mean it or something.Australia was about to lose all its foreign reserves until Hawke and Keating saved us, Reagan was a two faced liar, saying he was for free trade while actually being a protectionist. Don’t, whatever you do, look at the trade agreements he signed reducing tariffs. That doesn’t count because see excuse, I mean point 3 aboveUpdate:
The 1983 devaluation was 30%! Oopsy! I mean only 10%

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Oh come on
Oh come on
April 10, 2024 11:40 pm

Another general, Teshayahou Gavish, warns that if Hussein, King of Jordan, were overthrown, Israel should immediately seize the West Bank.

This is crazy talk. In hindsight, Israel annexing the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 was a strategic catastrophe. I mean, fine, boot the Jordanians out of Jerusalem but let them take care of the rest. Same with Egypt. Prior to, there was no need for a two state solution. Now they’re Israel’s problem AND both a one and a two state solution are unicorns.

I hate to say it, but I am starting to think that I may outlive the state of Israel. Now I’m not that old but I’m not that young, either.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 11:52 pm

So you tripled the severity of the problem to make your case.

 
You really need to stop the mind reading, as it shows what a bullshit artist you are. It occurred several decades ago, and I went with my initial thought. Still, it was in the right direction, so it doesn’t change a thing in terms of what else I said.
 

This is hilarious.

Pedants always find the tiniest details hilarious.
 

You steer the conversation to your one solitary area of actual expertise and you still can’t get anything right.

 
Expertise doesn’t mean I recall things (exactly) that occurred so long ago. I bet you don’t. It was 41 years ago and I was then a young whippersnapper.
 
Here’s the thing, though: the direction was correct, what I said was correct, and only the degree was incorrect. This is identical to the Smoot Hawley part of the discussion, where I incorrectly named the president who signed it into law. Again, you tried to make out the timing being wrong was like you had struck gold. Then, when it was presented to you that Smoot Hawley was one of the main drivers of the early part of the Great Depression, you tried to change the subject. This is why it’s worthless to have any discussion with you.
 
Moreover, being the egoistical imbecile that you are and have always been, you came out earlier stating that Reagan actioned policies in favor of free trade, but as the link I provided shows, the opposite is true. What is the response… Oh you said vaxes are free.

JC
JC
April 10, 2024 11:59 pm

Brave man, mathematician . Still can’t admit Reagan ran with protectionist policies.

Hey look, there’s Friedman walking around the West Wing.

Dot
Dot
April 11, 2024 9:32 am

Let’s count your list of wrongolgies.

Reagan implemented more trade liberalization. Wrong

Friedman, a free trader, advised Reagan in favor of a protectionist trade policy. He didn’t have any influence on Reagan in this area.

Reagan instigated NAFTA. He didn’t; Bush 1 did.

Influential libertarians pushed free trade even though NZ and the Aus labor governments were the ones that reduced tariffs and quotas.

Ridiculous analogy: a beer after work compares to a serious heroin addiction

Duterte’s policy of mass murder (35,000 dead) was good policy.

Hilarious levels of stupidity.

Pathetic, really.

JC
JC
April 11, 2024 9:15 pm

It isn’t an analogy you twit. It’s a hypothetical.

Analogies can be based on reality or hypotheticals, dipstick.
 
 

Answer the fkn question: You were the one who said it was hypocritical to outlaw drugs but not alcohol.

 
Firstly, I’ve explained why your analogy was stupid, and secondly, you have about a dozen or so questions I’ve left for you that remain answered. Let me know when you’ve worked through them before I answer any of your bullshit. In any event, I did answer your stupid question, but you were possibly too drunk to realize.
 

Somanswer the question which was deliberately designed to have all else equal.

If you had to choose a housemate and there were two completely identical candidates, but one liked beer (alcohol) and the other liked the hard drugs you think it’s hypocritical to outlaw, which person do you choose?

You dodging of this question demonstrates you know full fkn well you too can see the difference between hard drug use and alcohol consumption.

 
As I suggested, reverse your analogy. The drinker is a violent drunk who trashes the house in his drunken binges, while the other does coke once a week.
 
Obviously, you’d choose the violent drunk.
 
As Dot nicely explained to you, alcohol is far more problematic than most drugs.
 
You’re too cognitively impaired to realize that not all drug users are dysfunctional, just like not all drinkers are dysfunctional alcoholics.
 
Lastly, claiming Duterte did a fine job is off-the-charts loonbin material and ethically + morally you should be walking that back.
 

Now, answer my questions.

Arky
April 11, 2024 9:46 pm

Analogies can be based on reality or hypotheticals, dipstick.…

You really are monumentally stupid.
An analogy compares different things.
The topic was drugs and alcohol.
The hypothetical example used drugs and alcohol.
There was no analogy you fool. It was a hypothetical example of precisely the same things discussed.
NOT AN ANALOGY.

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Arky
April 11, 2024 9:54 pm

Why don’t you two idiots 3D print yourselves an EM-Drive and f*ck off to Alpha Centauri?
Along the way you can discuss why Reagan described himself as a libertarian and why a president might be unable to enact every trade policy he wants with a protectionist congress.
At least Dot will have some feminine company on the trip.
Morons.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
April 11, 2024 10:18 pm

Had a monumental fail today. All my fault. I got impatient and tried to skip ahead into a right turn lane and BANG! … My left font end got mangled into a 8T flatbed.

1cm out.

No damage to the truck.

The driver said, what did you do?

I f*cked up.

JC
JC
April 11, 2024 10:21 pm

Tickler

This is the old thread, If you want an audience head to the most recent.

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