Open Thread – Weekend 13 July 2024


Lunch on the Grass, Claude Monet, 1866

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Megan
Megan
July 13, 2024 12:08 am

Good morning all.

Salvatore - Iron Publican
July 13, 2024 12:11 am

Bonn Jower.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
July 13, 2024 12:11 am

Hello beautiful painting

Megan
Megan
July 13, 2024 12:11 am

Wish the weather was warm enough to recreate that lovely lunch on the grass. Months away unless I flee North.

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 13, 2024 1:09 am

Greetings from Marseille airport where we are awaiting a flight to Bucharest. And waiting and waiting – bloody RyanAir.

KevinM
KevinM
July 13, 2024 1:13 am

People do the strangest things.
From my inbox; Louie Mattar undertook a 6,320-Mile Non-Stop Drive.
Why?

Beats me, some aspect of the drive I don’t understand like, not stopping at red lights?
Admittedly in 1952 you could plan a route that avoided most red lights but not altogether.

When I have time I look it up and read about it, there is bound to be a book describing the feat.

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The Unstoppable Journey: Louie Mattar’s 6,320-Mile Non-Stop Drive

More than 70 years ago, in a feat that blended mechanical ingenuity with sheer determination, Louie Mattar set out on an extraordinary journey. In 1952, he drove 6,320 miles non-stop, a record-breaking adventure that showcased his innovative spirit and relentless pursuit of a dream.

Preparation and Innovation
Louie Mattar, a San Diego garage owner, was not content with merely driving from one destination to another. He envisioned a journey where the car would never stop, not even for fuel, food, or bathroom breaks. To achieve this, Mattar spent several years modifying his 1947 Cadillac to become the ultimate road-tripping machine.

The car was outfitted with an array of custom features. Mattar installed an onboard shower, a toilet, a stove, and even a washing machine. The fuel system was modified to allow for refueling on the go, with a specially designed trailer that carried extra fuel and water tanks. The car also featured a hydraulic jack system that could lift it for tire changes while still in motion. Additionally, there were provisions for preparing meals and maintaining personal hygiene, ensuring that the car could truly keep moving without interruption.

The Journey Begins
On September 20, 1952, Louie Mattar, accompanied by two friends, embarked on his ambitious drive. The trio took turns behind the wheel, ensuring that the car was always on the move. They started their journey in San Diego and planned a route that took them across the United States, covering a distance of 6,320 miles.
Non-stop meant non-stop, and Mattar had no intention of pausing for red lights or stop signs on the roads he traveled. The car’s modifications allowed it to be refueled and serviced while still in motion, with the support crew riding in a truck alongside them to provide necessary supplies.

Challenges on the Road

Driving non-stop for such a distance presented numerous challenges. Navigating traffic, dealing with varying road conditions, and ensuring the continuous operation of the car’s many systems required constant vigilance and teamwork. The car had to be in perfect working order at all times, and any mechanical issues had to be addressed immediately to prevent any stops.
One of the most remarkable aspects of this journey was the coordination required to keep the car moving. Refueling was done by connecting hoses from the support truck to the Cadillac while both vehicles were in motion. This process had to be precise and efficient to avoid any mishaps.

Achieving the Impossible

After days of continuous driving, Louie Mattar and his team successfully completed their journey, arriving back in San Diego to a hero’s welcome. They had driven 6,320 miles without stopping, a testament to Mattar’s mechanical genius and the team’s dedication.

Louie Mattar’s car became a symbol of innovation and perseverance. It was later displayed at various exhibitions and is now part of the collection at the San Diego Automotive Museum, where it continues to inspire future generations of inventors and dreamers.

Legacy

Louie Mattar’s non-stop drive remains a remarkable achievement in automotive history. It showcased what could be accomplished with creativity, determination, and a willingness to push the boundaries of what is possible. More than seven decades later, his journey serves as a reminder that with enough ingenuity and perseverance, even the most ambitious dreams can be realized.

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Fair Shake
Fair Shake
July 13, 2024 3:11 am

Top 10. Does this smell like chloroform to you?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 13, 2024 3:55 am

Top Ender
 July 13, 2024 1:09 am

Greetings from Marseille airport where we are awaiting a flight to Bucharest. And waiting and waiting – bloody RyanAir.

Good luck on the landing. Fasten the seat belt.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 13, 2024 3:59 am

Pat Benatar – Love Is A Battlefield (Official Music Video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGVZOLV9SPo

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July 13, 2024 4:24 am

The truth behind the ‘spitting myth’ that divided Vietnam veterans and anti-war activists
MARK DAPIN

The Weekend Australian Magazine

Everybody knows that Vietnam veterans are desperate, ­damaged men, haunted by memories of wartime atrocities and demonstrations against their homecoming at Sydney Airport, where they were spat upon by women and branded “baby killers”. Like many things that everybody knows, this is not true.

I first became interested in military mythology while writing The Nashos’ War, a history of the national service scheme during the ­Vietnam era. I had read about attacks on veterans by protesters and I wondered how they might have been organised. The story that interested me most of all – because it was the most dramatic and violent, and would have ­required the highest level of planning and ­commitment – was published first in a collection of veterans’ writings to mark the National Reunion and Welcome Home Parade in 1987, and more widely showcased in Paul Ham’s bestselling Vietnam: The Australian War in 2007. The account is credited to “Mike” from Perth, a national serviceman who served in the Royal Australian Artillery and flew home, ­relieved, in January 1970.

“At Mascot [airport], the relief turned to anger,” wrote Mike. “We were pelted with tomatoes and spat on. But we got our satisfaction afterward: 150 toey, angry lads from Vietnam versus 400 demonstrators – they didn’t stand a chance. The cops were very good about it. They seemed to be otherwise occupied for a while. It’s impossible to describe what it feels like to have been away at war for your country and come home to that kind of treatment. It’s something you never forget. Feeling as I do now about the whole thing, I guess I could have been on the opposite side of the fence. But to be spat on and treated like shit, that’s something else.”

As well as never forgetting this incident, Mike never remembered it – because it did not happen. Mike’s essay came out of a veterans’ creative-writing class, whose participants were invited to create either fiction or memoir. Mike’s story is clearly fiction.

A riot involving 550 people would have been one of the worst incidences of political violence in post-war Australian history, and the only time a large number of returned soldiers ever fought with demonstrators – at the country’s major international airport, no less. Mike’s story received no coverage in any newspaper, and nor did any story remotely like it. It is not mentioned in any history or memoir of the Left. There is no trace of the organisation behind the demonstration, the logistics of which would have been fantastically difficult, given that the flight arrived last thing at night in the presence of military police. No other veteran has ever claimed to have been involved. The Qantas flight crews who manned the returning aircraft do not remember the battle. The official historian of Sydney Airport has never heard of it. There is no record of any participant having been arrested or injured.

In a few short lines, Mike’s story encapsulates the majority of popular untruths about the anti-war movement and presents their sum as a cautionary tale. We read that returned men were pelted with food (they were not, but ­certain anti-war demonstrators were); that they were spat on (they were not, but certain anti-war demonstrators were); that there were demonstrations against returning soldiers at airports (there were not, ever, anywhere in the world); that the anti-war movement in Sydney had the capacity to secretly mobilise 400 demonstrators last thing at night to confront troops in a security area (it never tried); that demonstrators blamed the troops for the war (they did not); and that returned men took revenge upon demonstrators by beating them up in a massive brawl (they did not, although soldiers who had not yet been to Vietnam once attacked a peaceful protest in Adelaide).

What lies beneath Mike’s unreliable narrative is the idea that the anti-war movement was much larger, more militant and more logistically capable than contemporary reports suggest, and that its target was returned men.

His story also addresses the central problem with the spitting myth – that spat-upon soldiers would have been likely to batter their spitters into cracks in the ground: in this revenge ­fantasy, they do just that.

The foundation myths of victimised Vietnam veterans in Australia were born, like so many other myths, out of Hollywood movies. The pivotal role of two particular films in helping to form the imagined memory of US veterans was first identified by the sociologist and Vietnam veteran Jerry Lembcke. When Lembcke ­returned from Vietnam, he joined Vietnam Veterans Against the War, an organisation probably best known for an action in April 1971, when it mustered 800 veterans to throw their medals onto the steps of the Capitol building in Washington DC. Among the apparent medal throwers was future politician John Kerry, who later claimed to have only tossed his ribbons.

In Lembcke’s book, The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory and the Legacy of Vietnam, he traces the idea that Vietnam veterans were spat upon back to the slurring invective of the fictitious John Rambo, played by Sylvester Stallone in the 1982 movie First Blood; and he ascribes the notion of airport demonstrations against returning soldiers to the 1978 Jane Fonda movie Coming Home. In a later book, Lembcke argued that Hollywood movies “made Vietnam veterans into political props for slandering the anti-war movement”, and that the diagnosis of PTSD was formulated to pathologise dissident veterans. (Look at those long-haired soldiers throwing away their ­medals! They must be mad!)

In Australia, there was no real movement of anti-war Vietnam veterans. While activists in the US attended demonstrations in military uniform, some Australian veterans have ­complained that they could not wear their uniforms in the streets for fear of being attacked by protesters, often women. And this did happen, but only once, in June 1966, when 21-year-old Nadine Jensen, a typist from Campbelltown in NSW, doused herself in red paint and kerosene and ran at the leaders of a homecoming march for 1RAR in Sydney, smearing two officers with ersatz blood. An estimated 300,000 Sydneysiders had turned out to cheer on the battalion, and only Jensen and a handful of banner-­wavers in the crowd protested what was at the time a very popular war. Jensen, who belonged to no political party and was acting alone, was thought to be insignificant, if not insane. “My action was not so much against the soldiers but against authority itself,” she told a court. “My action may have been wrong in that it should have been protesting against the Australian attitude of complacency.” She was fined £6, then disappeared from history.

Although there was never another photographed demonstration at any one of the next 15 welcome-home parades, nor one single ­verified account of veterans being accosted by protesters during the war itself, Jensen’s actions later became seen as representative of the anti-war movement. According to Gary McKay, a decorated veteran who has written a dizzying number of books on Australia’s Vietnam war, “The wearing of military uniform in Canberra was actually stopped for a long period of time when it was felt that the presence of uniforms in public would invite violence or embarrassing demonstrations against service personnel.”

McKay is mistaken. As my doctoral supervisor at UNSW@ADFA, the late Professor ­Jeffrey Grey, wrote in 1991, it was not felt that the uniforms might “incite violence”; rather, ­officers were encouraged to come to work in suits since they were not permitted to wear ­uniform outside an army base in a social or commercial setting, and they might want to stop off for a drink on the way home, for example. Jeff had no particular time for the antiwar movement. His father, Major General Ronald Grey, had been Commanding Officer of the Seventh Battalion Royal Australian Regiment (7RAR) in Vietnam.

As for the idea that veterans might be spat upon, Lembcke ascribes it to a closing scene of First Blood, when former Green Beret John Rambo, holed up after his spree of justified vengeful violence, is cornered by his former commanding officer Colonel Troutman, who tells him, “It’s over, Johnny. It’s over!”

“Nothing is over!” replies Rambo. After the war, he says, “I came back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport. Protesting me. Spitting. Calling me baby killer, and all kinds of vile crap. Who are they to protest me, huh?”

The last Australian troops came home from Vietnam in 1973. The first Rambo movie, First Blood, was released in 1982. There was not one single reported, recorded or otherwise publicly aired comment or complaint about an Australian veteran being spat upon until 1982. Where did the fictional character Rambo get the idea that there were demonstrations against Vietnam veterans at airports? None were ever reported in the US until the movie Coming Home, in which Bruce Dern plays a paraplegic veteran coming home (in this case) from the airport with his wife, played by Jane Fonda. “Where’s all the demonstrators?” he asks. “An asshole on the plane told us there was going be a bunch of flowerheads out here.”

“Well, there are some kids out there,” says his wife, “but they can’t come on the base.” Meanwhile, a small group of anti-war protesters circle the gate, chanting, “One, two, three, four, we don’t want your rotten war.”

There were no reports of demonstrations at Australian airports until 1982, either, four years after the release of Coming Home. Just to make myself clear – because I am sometimes thought to be using the wrong words by people who do not make much of an effort to choose their own – I am not saying that no Vietnam veteran today claims to have been spat on or demonstrated against at any airport during the war, because they do. I am saying that there is no ­record of these allegations being made in ­Australia in newspapers, in broadcasts, in ­letters, in diaries, in airline records, in Qantas records or in police records at any time between the beginning of Australia’s commitment in 1964 until the local release of First Blood in 1982. Then the spit gates opened.

The spitting stories multiplied around the ­period of the National Reunion and Welcome Home Parade in October 1987, when about 22,000 men marched through Sydney to the ­respect and applause of a crowd estimated at 100,000-110,000. History had already been turned on its head in the reporting of the 1987 parade. According to a Canberra Times correspondent, “Fourteen years after the last Australian soldier returned from Vietnam, the Australian community finally gave veterans of the war the welcome home they had been waiting for.” It was as if there had been no previous parades or, if there had, they had been attended largely by protesters. In fact, a total of about 11,000 soldiers had marched in the 16 battalion welcome-home parades during the war years, and the turnout at the 1987 reunion was only a little more than one-third of the size of the crowd that had supported the famous 1RAR parade in 1966 – and only about one-fifth of the half a million people who had cheered for 7RAR in Sydney in 1968.

A larger mythologising role may have been played by the popular Australian TV miniseries Sword of Honour, which first aired on Channel Seven in October 1986, one year before the ­National Reunion and Welcome Home Parade. The second episode opens with angry Duntroon graduate Tony Lawrence marching proudly in his battalion’s welcome home ­parade in 1967, applauded by a small crowd of respectable spectators and harangued by what appears to be an equal number of anti-war ­protesters. A nervous and deranged-looking man slips out of the crowd and hurls a bucket of viscous red liquid, which splatters the face of Lawrence, who falters but marches on as police brawl with the demonstrators.

Peter Yule, author of The Long Shadow: ­Australia’s Vietnam Veterans Since the War, has written, “For many Vietnam veterans, the ­rejection of their service has played as great a role as the trauma of war in their subsequent mental health struggles.” And today, widespread blood-throwing, spitting and airport demonstrations are popularly believed to have occurred. But these incidents are not history, because they did not happen. If the incidents generally held to express the rejection were not real, but the perception that they were real was real, and if this perception has contributed to veterans’ PTSD, then the responsibility for that trauma must surely fall upon those who have propagated the myths that veterans were spat upon and so on. But even Yule, who was tasked with giving a voice to the veterans, discounted the airport-protest stories. So, while I was writing Lest, I laboured under the pleasant and highly ­motivating delusion that I had at least put to bed the myth of arrivals-hall demonstrations. But then came Fitz.

In the lead-up to the commemoration of the 50th anniversary of the end of Australia’s ­commitment to Vietnam, the journalist and “storian” Peter FitzSimons interviewed an SAS veteran who served in Vietnam for nine months in 1971, in a question-and-answer session presented as an opinion piece. FitzSimons asked the veteran about the anti-war protests before he left, and the veteran claimed that he had read in the paper of a “big demonstration” about to happen in Sydney, so he and a few mates made the journey into town: “We turned up in uniform, so it was red-rag-to-a-bull stuff, and they were yelling at us in Martin Place and Angel Place. We deliberately placed ourselves in front of them, I guess, to provoke them. And we got into a bit of a rumble, a bit of biff, and the police were there and they broke it up.” There is no report of an incident anything like this ­occurring in Sydney in 1970, 1971 or any other time. And it would have been front-page news if the SAS – the SAS! – had blocked and attacked a street march in Martin Place: not only in the middle of the city but in front of the police.

Later, FitzSimons asked the veteran about the homecoming, and he said he was flown back to Sydney via Darwin on a flight for US troops taking R&R in Australia. His mother and father were waiting for him at the airport, and he kissed his mum. FitzSimons pushed the point: “The story always goes that Vietnam vets were often greeted by protesters calling them ‘baby killers’,” he said. “Was that your experience?” “Well, there was a hardcore of protesters at the airport when I got there,” the veteran ­replied, “shouting abuse, even though it was one o’clock in the morning.”

But Sydney ­Airport was not even open at one o’clock in the morning. No flights ever arrived at that time. A search of Department of Veterans’ Affairs Nominal Roll of Vietnam Veterans shows that FitzSimons’ veteran arrived home on October 7 1971. No protests were reported at Sydney Airport on October 6, 7 or 8, or any other date. The steam had gone out of the anti-war movement as well as the war by then, and there is no conceivable reason why peace protesters should demonstrate against the final withdrawal of troops, or why the press would not report on their bizarre and eccentric behaviour if they did. And even if protesters had chosen to turn up – for the first and only time – they would not have had access to the schedule for Pan Am’s R&R flights and would not have known there would be troops in the airport. Which was closed.

“Some of those protesters at the airport and at Angel Place, all those years ago, are likely reading this,” said FitzSimons to his interviewee. “What do you say to them?” This is one of the stranger questions in journalistic history: asking a third party to address people who do not exist about something that did not happen. “Well, we live in a democracy and you’re ­allowed to demonstrate,” said the veteran to nobody, “but I think you had it wrong. You don’t demonstrate and throw abuse at the ­soldiers or the servicemen. You throw abuse and demonstrate against the government.”
By the 1960s, veterans of the Second World War could be ridiculed by the young as old, drunk and out of touch. Fifteen years after 1945, playwright Alan Seymour was able to portray them as pathetic caricatures in his drama The One Day of the Year, about which much has been made by historians. But Vietnam veterans have experienced this process backwards. There is no doubt that in the years after the war they were mocked and ignored by some people, and thought of as gullible and culpable by others. But by the Sydney welcome-home march in 1987, 15 years after Australia’s withdrawal from Vietnam, the veterans were widely accepted as misunderstood, brave, honest men. This is a tribute to the strength of the narrative they have collectively evolved. They have become a victim group: their claims need not be verified, their truth should not be questioned.

And this is a tragedy, because myths exist in part to give flesh to feelings – and the feelings of persecution are real, albeit heightened by being validated by folklorists, mythologists and journalists. Many veterans feel that the antiwar demonstrations were directed against them. Some returned men feel that their service was spat upon. When they say they had no welcome home, they mean they did not feel welcome at home. They are not lying. But we cannot accept their truth as history.

Lest: Australian War Myths by Mark Dapin is out now through Scribner Australia ($34.99).

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/weekend-australian-magazine/the-truth-behind-the-spitting-myth-that-divided-vietnam-veterans-and-antiwar-activists/news-story/373897c5f51b4b815af82d3e2ec96fdd

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 13, 2024 4:34 am

Kaboom!

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Steve Inman.

Coward tried to ignite a bomb and blew himself up instead
https://rumble.com/v56l1ol-coward-tried-to-ignite-a-bomb-and-blew-himself-up-instead.html

Beertruk
July 13, 2024 5:44 am
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Beertruk
July 13, 2024 6:13 am

Top Ender
 July 13, 2024 1:09 am

Greetings from Marseille

Sorry Top Ender…I was having TOO MUCH fun and couldn’t help meself… 🙂

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Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
July 13, 2024 6:49 am

Thanks for the cartoons Tom, they make my day

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
July 13, 2024 6:55 am

Thanks for the lovely artwork Dover, really appreciating the education – Madamoiselle Google told this one of Caude Monet is his version a picnic in contrast to Edouard Manet’s Dejuneur sur l’herbe of a couple of years before which scandalised French society portraying, as it did, a naked woman eating lunch with two clothed men.

Rosie
Rosie
July 13, 2024 6:57 am

Finland gets tough on weaponised illegal immigration via their borders with Russia.
Hopefully the invaders get the message and stop trying to use Russia as a pathway to the West.
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1811746020184777203?t=OrKVmZcbQTu1aUyttvw4dg&s=19

Beertruk
July 13, 2024 7:10 am

Today’s Tele:
Vikki Campion: Indigenous kids’ welfare has plummeted since cashless card was abolished

Indigenous children are going hungry since the cashless debit card was abolished, because kids don’t grow healthy and strong on a woke diet of acknowledgement of country and renaming islands, writes Vikki Campion.

The Albanese government has regressed to where only happy children are seen but the reality is not heard.
In a report that the government tried to suppress, the heartbreaking reality emerges — children are starving, yet not a shred of evidence is taken from them.

Life has become hungrier since Labor removed the cashless debit card, which had ensured 80 per cent of Centrelink payments were used for essentials like food and clothes.

Yet, in a parliament with three different flags, members from leafy, harbourside electorates puffed on about the human rights of Indigenous communities to spend welfare how they wish, questioning hand-picked bureaucrats to tell them what they wanted to hear as if they were talking about the family next door in Mosman.

This included the Australian Human Rights Commission, which, despite its role in advocating for human rights, denied knowledge “of recent evidence showing an evaluation of the scheme”.

Days after that hearing, senators Kerrynne Liddle, Jacqui Lambie and Anne Ruston finally succeeded in an Order for the Production of Documents to reveal a government-funded report by the University of Adelaide on the Cessation of the Cashless Debit Card.

There’s no wonder why the minister’s office wanted it kept quiet.
“That little boy’s father got a pay yesterday, and he spent it all on drink and little boy come over to my place and asked me for orange. I said, I got no orange baby because I got no money to buy orange. That’s made me sad, you know, little boy crying, he was hungry, didn’t have anything to eat. The father got drunk and spent all his money on drink. Even the mother too … They don’t think about saving money for the baby,” said Ceduna Participant 3.

Did the little boy’s voice appear in the report? He was right there in front of them. Did the government-funded research involve asking that little boy for some truth-telling? No.

The cashless debit card gave women an out from having their bank account drained by an addict.

“Her partner, he does heavy drugs … she needs to stay on (the card)
because she needs to make sure that her children have food,” says another.

How many kids were quoted in the report kept secret since May? Zero.
These weren’t kids having a tantrum at the checkout for a chocolate bar, these are kids lining up for an orange. It is disgraceful that we have fallen into a perverse realm where it is politically incorrect to hear from them.
South Australian Senator Liddle, the opposition spokeswoman for domestic violence prevention and child protection — who goes into Ceduna without a media plane, whose electorate covers these communities, and whose family covers more, who talks one-on-one with lived understanding — wants real data.

Senator Liddle doesn’t want a PC Canberra diatribe, she wants to know why not one child was interviewed in the report about what life is like at home now.

“Kids starving. And they on the streets and it’s really sad because they’re just roaming round … Because now that it’s gone back to cash again, parents are spending more money,” says another participant.
We are closing our eyes and forcing vulnerable children into an intoxicated dark age.

Where did the corporations offering faux virtue and funnelling millions of dollars into advertising for the pro-Voice vote go? Why aren’t they in Ceduna? Seeing you were so keen on a Voice, why don’t you listen to some of these children?

They moved to the other side of the yacht because they don’t particularly like the view. You can’t hear Ceduna from Whistler.

The Review of the Impact of the Cessation of the Cashless Debit Card attempts to sanitise “declining levels of child wellbeing and welfare since the CDC program had ended” in Ceduna, the East Kimberley and the Goldfields.
“Concerns primarily centred on some children not being fed or clothed,” said the report.

That is as far as we need to read. We have kids in Australia not being fed or clothed. Not in a civil war in Central Africa but in our resource-rich first world country.

And the source of this?

The people who live a life beyond the comprehension of those semi-naked, starving kids in the bush.

If you went to your school gate and saw a child half-naked and starving, you would immediately stop and talk to that child and drop everything to find a solution.

But not so your government. They are more worried about offending the enlightened than feeding the children. Kids don’t grow muscle or mass on a diet of acknowledgement of country and renaming islands.

The report brushes over “children increasingly experiencing situations of family violence and trauma”.

Molestation, grievous assault, that’s what happens when vulnerable little souls are fending for themselves.

Jacinta’s solution at the end:

‘Away from dysfunction’: Jacinta Price discusses roots of Indigenous youth crime

If implemented, cue the screaming of ‘stolen generations’ from the retards.

Rosie
Rosie
July 13, 2024 7:10 am

Seeing as the highly processed foods came up the other day. A thread on the different between European and American health.
Seems like the people who are warehoused do a lot more walking.
https://x.com/morellifit/status/1811375314670379458?t=qqfPT9KMdiUadExS4EjLVA&s=19

Rosie
Rosie
July 13, 2024 7:30 am
Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
July 13, 2024 7:38 am

The Margolis depiction of the Sienfeld lawyer character, Jackie Chiles, is brilliant.
One of my favourite bits in that show is the Kramer and Chiles suing capers. George’s parents bickering is comedy for the ages.

duncanm
duncanm
July 13, 2024 7:42 am

In response to the EU accusing X/twitter of violating the Digital Services Act
… Musk had this to say

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1811783320839008381

Elon Musk

@elonmusk

The European Commission offered ? an illegal secret deal: if we quietly censored speech without telling anyone, they would not fine us. 

The other platforms accepted that deal. 

? did not.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 13, 2024 7:54 am

Lest: Australian War Myths by Mark Dapin is out now through Scribner Australia ($34.99).

Mark Dapin, wasn’t he the bloke that Numbers used as support for many of his tales?

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Rosie
Rosie
July 13, 2024 8:06 am
Zippster
Zippster
July 13, 2024 8:09 am
Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
July 13, 2024 8:10 am

US celebrities badly need another Ricky Gervais slap down.
”Accept your little award, thank your agent, and your god and f*ck off.”

chrisl
chrisl
July 13, 2024 8:13 am

Why do cars have to be roadworthy
But roads don’t have to be car worthy ?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 13, 2024 8:13 am

Free stuff!

Nearly Half Of German Welfare Payments Go To Foreign Migrants (12 Jul)

The argument that mass migration is needed to support GDP levels and pay for pensions took another blow when it was revealed 47.3% of welfare recipients in Germany are foreign migrants. … Right-wing party AfD points out that the 47.3% figure also doesn’t include German citizens from a migration background, since once they obtain citizenship they are considered as German as someone who was born in the country.

I suspect quite a lot of those welfare recipients will be quietly working informal jobs, and in criminal activities. The authorities are unlikely to be checking too closely in case of causing unrest.

lotocoti
lotocoti
July 13, 2024 8:14 am

UK Labor off to a good start?

Maybe not.
?

Roger
Roger
July 13, 2024 8:21 am

Rupert Murdoch singing the praises of John Howard’s “transformative” prime ministership: “The best in my lifetime.”

Let’s see…kicked off the population ponzi; backed renewables and banned nuclear; attacked the property rights of landholders; recast the Liberal Party as a broad church wherein “moderates” are free to deny its founding principles without fear of reprisal while “conservatives” are always on the back foot, if they can get a foot in the door, that is…

One could go on…Very “transformative” indeed.

Cassie of Sydney
July 13, 2024 8:27 am

Last week, Jacob Rees-Mogg lost his seat in the UK General Election. I regard Rees-Mogg’s loss as a loss for the Tories. A devout and sincere Catholic, a father of six or seven children, a true conservative.

In London overnight, Rees-Mogg sat down at a Spectator event to talk about the election result. When asked if Nigel Farage and Reform had spoiled the conservative vote last week (in Rees-Mogg’s electorate and elsewhere), Rees-Mogg said the following..

‘I was not entitled to the votes of the 7,000 people who voted for Reform in north-east Somerset (Rees-Mogg’s electorate).

I had to win their votes, and I had to win their votes wearing a blue rosette and supporting a Conservative Government that had simply failed to do conservative things. That is not Nigel Farage’s fault. That is to some degree my fault and the fault of others within the Conservative Party.”

Huge applause.

Rees-Mogg went on…..

“one of the advantages of not being a member of parliament anymore, though still a member of the Conservative Party, is that I can speak more freely and I will confess to you that it was getting frustrating during the election campaign when I would be standing on doorsteps and engaging with constituents, and those constituents would say to me….

‘we have the highest taxation in 70 years, we have out of control immigration, we have lunatic green policies, and you still want me to vote conservative?

Rees-Mogg….”and I agreed with them. So, it is not Nigel’s fault, IT’S MY FAULT AND THE FAULT OF OTHERS WITHIN THE TORY PARTY”. You have to win over voters, you can’t take them for granted, and we ignored our base.”

Well said Rees-Mogg.

Take note Liberals.

Cassie of Sydney
July 13, 2024 8:31 am

Apparently one of the Paki leaders of the rape gangs has already been released. Just took days for UK Labour to do the bidding of their Islamist buddies.

Justice for poor white working class girls is not a priority.

Lock up your daughters, particularly in Jewish suburbs. They’re coming. The Islamists have already warned UK Jewish women they’re coming for them.

Beertruk
July 13, 2024 8:32 am

Also in Vikki’s column in the Tele:

FORCED ‘MODERN-DAY PRAYER’ SHOULD BE UPDATED OR ZOOMED AWAY

Vikki Campion
13 Jul 2024

We have a farce where an acknowledgment of country is a modern-day prayer before parliament, council, radio national and now every Zoom meeting. And one politician is finally calling it out.

Not in the national parliament or even a state parliament, but in a regional city council chamber on the mid-north coast of NSW by an outgoing mayor brave enough to say what so many think. Mayor Peta Pinson (pictured), of Port Macquarie-Hastings, is taking a significant step by proposing an official change to the acknowledgment, aiming to include veterans and migrants in the recognition. Considering we are now acknowledging people who have not fully emerged, then surely people who fought for our country and defended the nation should feature.

People would be miffed if everyone was forced to hold hands to say the Lord’s Prayer before every Zoom meeting. Yet now we have to be silent as the contrived prattle is issued with a sombre thousand-yard-stare, as a person who has not lived as an Aboriginal, says in English, a statement conceived in the 1980s.

Since we contrived it, let’s make it totally appropriate for 2024.

Aboriginal ancestors? Tick.

People who have died to protect our nation so we can have this meeting? Tick.

What about people who spent their whole lives volunteering for charity or first responders, such as police, ambulance and fire and rescue?

It’s a pretty short acknowledgment of country when your house is burning down.

Let’s acknowledge the people who pay the most tax, who fund the roads and schools and hospitals. Authentic representations of Aboriginal Australia should be celebrated and preserved, and NAIDOC Week is a great celebration of this in my area, but these ridiculous new age prayers broadcast from Ultimo only reek of pretence.

Edited to remove unwanted ? marks.

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Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 13, 2024 8:35 am

Interesting EV story.

Lawsuit Alleges Hyundai Conducted “Secret Program” With Dealers To “Inflate” EV Sales (12 Jul)

Napleton Aurora Imports in Illinois recently filed a lawsuit in federal court in Chicago, alleging that Hyundai pressured US auto dealers to “artificially inflate its publicly reported sales” of electric vehicles, creating a “false narrative” for consumers.

The suit, Napleton Aurora Imports Inc et al v. Hyundai Motor America Corp, claims Hyundai instructed some dealers to “falsely report unsold vehicles as ‘sold’ to a retail customer or placed into loaner service, only to reverse the ‘sale’ the following month.” …

It seems like a classic case of “fake it till you make it.” This intriguing lawsuit raises the possibility that the demand for EVs reported in the corporate media might be inflated.

If other car companies are doing this too then even the limping EV sales numbers maybe unrealistically high. If VW can fake performance results in order to “meet” environmental edicts from the government then there will be similar pressure to inflate EV sales numbers – especially when car companies are trying to meet government mandated ratios of EV to ICE sales.

Indolent
Indolent
July 13, 2024 8:52 am
Indolent
Indolent
July 13, 2024 8:54 am
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 13, 2024 8:57 am

Why do cars have to be roadworthy

But roads don’t have to be car worthy?

Because private citizens have to pay to keep cars roadworthy instead of government having to pay to keep roads car-worthy.

In fact the government thinks people, perhaps even while paying for their newest set of shock absorbers, should be grateful that government has found a way to reduce spending.

Indolent
Indolent
July 13, 2024 9:01 am
Roger
Roger
July 13, 2024 9:03 am

“We have the highest taxation in 70 years…”

Jacob Rees-Mogg

Keir Starmer says, “Hold my pint, will you.”

Less than a week into her role as Chancellor of the Exchequer and Rachel Reeves is already setting the stage to backtrack on tax promises

The Telegraph (UK) [paywalled]

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Eyrie
Eyrie
July 13, 2024 9:03 am

But roads don’t have to be car worthy ?Why do cars have to be roadworthy?

Tell me about it. Did another windscreen on the New England “Highway” yesterday just south of Toowoomba. Between Toowoomba and Warwick it is a patchwork of patchworks.

Mrs Eyrie was told yesterday by one of her brothers in NZ that their new Transport Minister has travelled around and now told the roadworks people that the idea is to minimise disruption to traffic while actually maintaining the roads. What a good idea.

Indolent
Indolent
July 13, 2024 9:06 am

What he actually means is that it was under control.

@ThierryBreton

Back in the day, #BlueChecks used to mean trustworthy sources of information

Now with X, our preliminary view is that:

They deceive users

They infrige #DSA

X has now the right of defence —but if our view is confirmed we will impose fines & require significant changes.

Indolent
Indolent
July 13, 2024 9:11 am

If you listened to the short clip under Connect the Dots above, it achieved it’s aim.
The Ninth Circuit shoots down COVID vaccine

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 13, 2024 9:11 am

Top Ender, correct me if you think I’m unfair. Seems Dapin is having a bet each way. I was only a baby living in Holsworthy at the time our commitment to the war was coming to an end, so can’t comment on that time.

However a point of order as I clearly remember it as a kid in Sydney my father being a 7 RAR ’70-’71 vet.

Soldiers didn’t wear uniform in public and ribbons in the late 1970’s & 1980’s. Dad always said they were ordered not to after a few incidents with anti-Vietnam types that beared grudges after the wars end.

Only place he wore uniform to work was at Enoggera as we lived in Wardell st and dad used to jump the fence to go to work. Rest till we posted to Puckapunyal he wore civies to & from.

Fair enough on the records and witnesses being absent pointing to that event may not have happened. My dad even said they landed at Sydney from Tan Sohn Nat in the early hours of the morning with no-one around.

However to insinuate nothing ever happened and all the stories are myths is a long bow to draw, whether he means to or not that’s what comes across. I know listening to dad and mates after a few in my teenage years that verbal altercations, snubs and refusal of service did happen and it’s not unreasonable some would have assumed some would have escalated. Especially with a vet with PTSD.

Indolent
Indolent
July 13, 2024 9:12 am
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 13, 2024 9:13 am

Hey Ms Wong! You might wanna reconsider that decision to resume funding UNRWA.

IDF Discovers Hamas, Islamic Jihad Command Center at UNRWA HQ (12 Jul)

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) discovered a command center this week used by Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists within the Gaza City headquarters of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA).

Also defund and withdraw from the whole UN while you’re at it.

JC
JC
July 13, 2024 9:17 am

Some people are critical of Ben Shapiro for not supporting Trump. I’d argue that’s not entirely the case as his critiques of Trump have been conditional and calls it as he sees it.

But boy, he’s good value to have on your side.

https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1811056137640530235

Indolent
Indolent
July 13, 2024 9:19 am
Tom
Tom
July 13, 2024 9:19 am

If you pick up today’s Sydney Morning Herald or Melbourne Age, the front page splash alleging infiltration of the construction industry by underworld figures and bikies, some of whom work for the construction union, is the reason CFMEU thug John Sekta had to resign suddenly yesterday.

The story will be featured on Nine’s 60 Minutes tomorrow night.

By my reckoning, the former Fairfax papers, which specialise in gotchas against conservatives (and soldiers like Ben Roberts-Smith to help neuter our military), run only one or two of these genuine news stories a year because they don’t directly impact their Green-voting readership

Indolent
Indolent
July 13, 2024 9:23 am
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 13, 2024 9:26 am

breaking

Manslaughter charges dropped against actor Alec BaldwinStaff WritersReuters
Sat, 13 July 2024 2:44AM

A US judge has dismissed involuntary manslaughter charges against Alec Baldwin after his lawyers alleged police hid evidence of the source of the live round that killed Rust cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in 2021.
Judge Mary Marlowe Sommer made the ruling three days after Baldwin’s trial began in New Mexico, after hearing evidence on the defence request.
The actor’s lawyers said the Santa Fe sheriff’s office took possession of live rounds as evidence in the case but failed to list them in the Rust investigation file or disclose their existence to defence lawyers.
They also alleged the rounds were evidence the bullet that killed Hutchins came from Seth Kenney, the movie’s prop supplier. Kenney has denied supplying live ammunition to the production and has not been charged in the case. He had been expected to testify against Baldwin.
The Colt .45 rounds at the centre of the dismissal were handed into the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office on March 6 by Troy Teske, a friend of Thell Reed, the stepfather of Rust armourer Hannah Gutierrez, on the same day Gutierrez was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for Hutchins’ death.
A Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office technician, Marissa Poppel, testifed before the judge on Friday that the rounds were not hidden from Baldwin and she was told to file them, and details on how they were obtained, under a different case number to the Rust case. She disputed Spiro’s assertion the Colt .45 ammunition matched the round that killed Hutchins.
Prosecutor Kari Morrissey had questioned the allegation the evidence was concealed from Baldwin.
“If you buried it how did the defence attorneys know to cross examine you about it yesterday?” asked Morrissey.
Prosecutors said Gutierrez of bringing the live rounds onto the set, an allegation she denied.
Baldwin was accused of playing a role in the death of Hutchins because he handled the gun irresponsibly.
His lawyers say Baldwin was failed by Gutierrez and others responsible for safety on the set, and that law enforcement agents were more interested in prosecuting their client than finding the source of a live round that killed Hutchins.

cohenite
July 13, 2024 9:31 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
 July 13, 2024 9:26 am

breaking
Manslaughter charges dropped against actor Alec BaldwinStaff WritersReuters
Sat, 13 July 2024 2:44AM
A US judge has dismissed involuntary manslaughter charges against Alec Baldwin after his lawyers alleged police hid evidence of the source of the live round that killed Rust cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in 2021.

Yet the cases against Trump continue with overwhelming evidence of tampering, lies and outright fraud against Trump. And Trump didn’t kill anyone.

The baldwin case wreaks of a cover-up in his favour.

BobtheBoozer
BobtheBoozer
July 13, 2024 9:39 am

Black Ball:
So you can get pinged for using the mobile when you are stationary, where does the fine go? Or when you are 5km/h over the speed limit? Certainly not to our roads. It’s a disgrace.
Much of the problem comes from the fact all funds received by the government must go into general revenue, and then be parceled out to specific areas. This means fines, registrations etc from motorists cannot be spent on roads – it must be parceled out from the pot.
(At least that’s what I understand and I see no reason to disbelieve it as it leaves the power to disburse in the hands of the government. If anyone can correct me on the subject, I’m willing to listen.)

Miltonf
Miltonf
July 13, 2024 9:40 am

Potemkin Paris: France moves its homeless illegals out of the capital to clean up for the Olympics – American Thinker

The soft handed Macaroon in Paris to go with the soft handed Starmer in London along with the old perv in DC. The ancien regime.

cohenite
July 13, 2024 9:43 am

Beertruk
 July 13, 2024 7:10 am

Today’s Tele:
Vikki Campion: Indigenous kids’ welfare has plummeted since cashless card was abolished

The beetrooter struck gold with Vicki. He get’s bad press with his marriage break-up and hookup with Vicki. In fact his marriage was history and long gone when this happened:

(19) The Courier-Mail on X: “Senior gov figures abandon #BarnabyJoyce, saying the scandal engulfing the Coalition cannot be allowed to go on and that the Nationals leader’s position is “untenable” #fedpol https://t.co/71xoy4xZmw https://t.co/or8f60R5jC” / X

BobtheBoozer
BobtheBoozer
July 13, 2024 10:02 am

132andBush
 July 12, 2024 1:10 pm

A lot of this could be by-passed in rural areas by simply closing a stretch of road completely and giving the earthmovers free reign to get the job done as quickly as possible. Efficiency gains would be enormous.

I don’t have an answer to the problem, but we’ve been making roads for over two thousand bloody years and we still can’t do it efficiently.
?

Miltonf
Miltonf
July 13, 2024 10:04 am

DUMPED Labor MP Kelly Hoare, who confirmed yesterday she was undergoing counselling after she allegedly demanded sex from a government driver, was involved in another incident with a security officer at Parliament House.
Senior Labor sources have confirmed they were alerted several years ago to concerns about her behaviour after Labor MP Julia Irwin allegedly caught her in a compromising position with a uniformed security officer after a boozy ALP party.

Dumped MP in 2nd sex scandal | Daily Telegraph

Our ruling class

Roger
Roger
July 13, 2024 10:04 am

Potemkin Paris: France moves its homeless illegals out of the capital to clean up for the Olympics – American Thinker

Meanwhile…

French police stand by as Channel migrants leave Normandy beach for Britain

484 migrants have reached the UK since Sir Keir Starmer was elected with a landslide 172-seat majority and scrapped Rishi Sunak’s Rwanda deportation scheme on day one of his Government – The Telegraph

That’s 484 that they know about.

Miltonf
Miltonf
July 13, 2024 10:06 am

They all seem to get their orders from some common source be it the trash in Canbra or Westminster.

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BobtheBoozer
BobtheBoozer
July 13, 2024 10:15 am

Doc Faustus:

Secondly, hopefully, she has no relatives, or extended family in China. Because the Ministry of State Security will be working overtime on her bio.

The ability of the Chinese government to find and use relatives to pressure Chinese OS is only surpassed by their ability to manufacture said relatives.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 13, 2024 10:21 am

It’s a sensible decision but the Egyptians aren’t going to be happy.

Netanyahu: We Are Never Giving Up Gaza-Egypt Border (12 Jul)

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reiterated Friday that Israel has no intention of withdrawing from the Gaza-Egypt border, known as the Philadelphi corridor, in a hostage deal, despite media reports to the contrary.

The fees paid to the Egyptians to look the other way must’ve been substantial seeing the humungous amount of stuff that made its way to Hamas and IJ.

Roger
Roger
July 13, 2024 10:26 am

They all seem to get their orders from some common source be it the trash in Canbra or Westminster.

The smugglers read the news.

But the French authorities aren’t helping…presumably due to orders from on high.

BobtheBoozer
BobtheBoozer
July 13, 2024 10:31 am

Re Doctor Jill:

Not now she has her own “walk on music”.

I’m waiting for someone to play the Benny Hill Theme.

cohenite
July 13, 2024 10:32 am

The King Island Renewable Energy Integration Project (KIREIP) provides a glimpse of what’s achievable in renewable energy.

Real time energy dashboard
King Island (hydro.com.au)

Diesel featuring.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 13, 2024 10:32 am

Labor MP Kelly Hoare

I assume that surname is pronounced the same way as ‘whore’.

But she is not really that.

Perhaps she could change her surname to ‘Nimpheau’.

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Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 13, 2024 10:38 am

Maybe Albo would like to read this one before he chooses his Islamophobia czar.

Former U.S. Muslim Brotherhood Leader Confirms: The ‘Islamophobes’ Were Right All Along (12 Jul)

For years, national security experts and freedom activists have sounded the alarm about Muslim Brotherhood activity in the United States, only to be tarred and dismissed as hysterical “hatemongers” and “Islamophobes.” Now, however, an internationally prominent former Brotherhood activist has confirmed the warnings. … he said, “the Muslim Brotherhood movement existed in America. It consisted of people who were Muslim Brotherhood members in their countries and came to the U.S. to study, or people who studied there.”

Hey ASIO! How many of the pro-Pali protesters on campus also just happen to be Muslim Brotherhood members? Asking for a Mr Mark Scott.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
July 13, 2024 10:59 am

The unlinkable OZ carries a piece by Albanese (or possibly a 23-yo Communication Advisor):

‘Time for big, bold ideas’: PM’s vision for the next decade

The full piece, crafted by ChatGPT, would choke a brown dog. The guts of the “big bold ideas”, obviously, is Net Zero:

We possess all the resources we need to make Australia stronger, fairer and more prosperous. We have extraordinary natural assets and attributes, including the resilience and skill of our people. Our diversity and social cohesion is a national treasure and an international asset.

Apparently said without irony.

Australia is on the road to becoming a renewable energy superpower. Our research helped invent the modern solar panel. We inhabit the sunniest continent on Earth. We are home to every metal and critical mineral essential to net zero, and among the world’s largest suppliers of lithium, cobalt and rare earths. Regions that have powered our country for more than a century will continue to power Australia in our clean-energy future, because my government will be a partner in the transformation of the Australian economy.

This was obviously done without AI assistance: Australia is a minor producer of REEs and invisible in cobalt.

The balance of risks and opportunities demands that the role of government evolve. Government needs to be more strategic, more sophisticated and a more constructive contributor, and we need sharper elbows when it comes to pursuing our national interest. This is not about old protectionism. It’s the new competition.

Our allies and partners around the world are all grappling with the same imperatives. The heavy lifting of economic transition and industrial transformation is not being done by individuals, companies or communities on their own. The transformation is being facilitated by national governments from every point on the political spectrum, in partnership with private capital seeking opportunity in the net zero world.

In a nutshell: western government everywhere has crashed the energy foundation of the global economy – and we’re now desperately trying to pick up the pieces.

But more strategic and sophisticated government – just moah government – will put us right.

Arky
July 13, 2024 11:01 am

Just heard Fox News use the phrase “hide the decline” in respect to Biden.
That’s a blast from the past.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 13, 2024 11:06 am

among the world’s largest suppliers of lithium, cobalt and rare earths

That’s funny since much of the cobalt we do produce comes from the nickel industry.

Which is being shut down because they can’t make a profit in Albo’s wunderbar Future Made in Australia economy.

Roger
Roger
July 13, 2024 11:08 am

This is not about old protectionism. It’s the new competition.

“It’s a brave new world, comrades. I’ll lead the way.”

Meanwhile, Google looks to be quietly setting aside its net zero goal as its AI program consumes electricity and water supplies comparable to what a medium sized nation requires, while worldwide demand for oil and coal has not yet peaked.

cohenite
July 13, 2024 11:11 am
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2024 11:28 am

Our diversity and social cohesion is a national treasure and an international asset.

You can bottle it?
“Contains not less than 42% social cohesion with organic free range diversity extract”.

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Roger
Roger
July 13, 2024 11:29 am

Speaking of Scotland, erstwhile SNP leader cum political pundit and occasional person of interest to police, Nicola Sturgeon, announced that the general election would be a(nother) referendum on independence.

The SNP was subsequently trounced by the Labour Party.

johanna
johanna
July 13, 2024 11:40 am

This means fines, registrations etc from motorists cannot be spent on roads – it must be parceled out from the pot.
(At least that’s what I understand and I see no reason to disbelieve it as it leaves the power to disburse in the hands of the government. If anyone can correct me on the subject, I’m willing to listen.)

It is possible to pour all the money from a revenue source into a particular purpose – it’s called ‘hypothecation’. It has been done from time to time in the past, simply requires an Act of Parliament.

But politicians and Treasury bureaucrats hate it, because it decreases their flexibility in budget allocation. In fairness, it can lead to a situation where money is desperately needed for some other purpose, while the hypothecated pot is overflowing and not all of it is needed. But that can also be changed by an Act of Parliament.

The reality is that motorists are milch cows for other pet projects.

Roger
Roger
July 13, 2024 11:42 am

Fresh from casting aspersions (again) on Ben Roberts-Smith, ABC News asks, What was this rugby league fan from the suburbs doing with ISIS?
It’s a mystery.

Chris
Chris
July 13, 2024 11:48 am

 it seems more than a little dishonest to then claim that because Mark’s story is not true that all other stories were not.

We then hear a lot (backed up by nothing other than because the author said so)

about the saintly protesters.

More than a little dishonest.

cohenite
July 13, 2024 11:52 am

Roger
 July 13, 2024 11:42 am

Fresh from casting aspersions (again) on Ben Roberts-Smith, ABC News asks, ‘What was this rugby league fan from the suburbs doing with ISIS?‘
It’s a mystery.

Another reason to close this wretched shithole, the abc. This panegyric about this family (not just the one in prison but the other creeps who took him to syria and introduced him to the isis bastards) of ISIS grubs takes the cake. I have a solution; clue: the chunks use it all the time and then charge the relatives the cost of the bullet.

Arky
July 13, 2024 12:04 pm

 Reply to  Arky
And yet you still hold the same positions on these matters as most normies. Maybe this active effort has structural problems.
 Reply to  dover0beach
Mate, that is again so far from the truth as to be ridiculous.
We haven’t even got to the point of me explaining my view of the war, which will not be anything close to what you assume it to be, because we can’t get past the stupid quagmire you are stuck in.
Gonzo lira and Scott Ritter. FFS

damon
damon
July 13, 2024 12:06 pm

I find theABC’s fixation on aboriginality pretty tiresome. From the ‘acknowledgement of original inhabitants’, at 6am EVERY morning, to the constant focus on indigenous composers and performers. What exactly does this achieve? Having music you do not like, shoved down your throat at every conceivable opportunity? The didgeridoo is an indigenous instrument and playing it might be an art. Fair enough, but it is not a violin, or anything comparable, and the music written for it is, generally, forgettable. If this is virtue signalling, I do not know the virtues it is advocating.

Arky
July 13, 2024 12:07 pm

https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/f8b23f557f9a6298f12d38a4467a2776?s=64&d=identicon&r=g

Author

dover0beach
 July 13, 2024 12:01 pm

 Reply to  Arky
The funny thing is I never relied on either of those commentators. The best practice though is to listen to people you trust earned on other issues and to listen to them even though they may surprise you on this or that one, particularly if that view counters the narrative propagated by the media. Clear example of this is NATO expansion and Ukrainian neutrality. These were widely regarded as redlines in the 1990s and 2000s, even the 2010s, within academic, diplomatic, and foreign policy circles. There might have been disagreements, etc. but no one imagined bringing them up as potential sticking points was being unconventional or absurd. Fast forward to to 2022, anyone raising these in discussions was considered a Russian stodge or ridiculous. That transition is a confected outcome because the GAE owns the information space at least at the level of the MSM. The only place the impacts that stranglehold is the internet

Roger
Roger
July 13, 2024 12:26 pm

If this is virtue signalling, I do not know the virtues it is advocating.

It’s many things, including patronising to indigenous people.

But it’s also subversive of social cohesion.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 13, 2024 12:27 pm

MeeOWWW!

Tulsi Gabbard: ‘Our Country Should Be Very, Very Afraid’ of a President Kamala Harris (11 Jul)

“I think our country should be very, very afraid of a president and commander-in-chief Kamala Harris,” she said. “I can’t think of anybody else who is more unqualified to be president and commander-in-chief than Kamala Harris and I say this as an American and as a servicemember who still wears the uniform serving in the Army Reserve. This would be absolutely disastrous for the country

Ok yes, she has a point.

MEEEEOOOWWWWW!

Jill Biden’s grudge against Kamala Harris REVEALED: Power-hungry first lady’s grudge is so deep that the only thing worse than Joe stepping down is the VP replacing him (12 Jul)

The bad blood between the First Lady and the Vice President, a feeling so strong that one source described it as, ‘hatred,’ dates to June 2019, when Kamala was running against Biden and condemned him during a televised debate for opposing aspects of mandatory busing for school desegregation.

‘Jill holds grudges,’ one Democrat insider revealed. ‘She doesn’t let things go and she has never forgiven Kamala for comments that some took to be allegations of racism.’

On the other hand anything that has Tulsi Gabbard and Jill Biden on the same page is a worry.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
July 13, 2024 12:41 pm

Huma Abedin has the worst taste in men. I don’t think moving from Weiner to Soros is an upgrade. One step forward, 2 back.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 13, 2024 12:42 pm

Victorian councils are out of control if this is true:

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/home/diy/frankston-tradie-fined-11500-by-council-for-filling-in-hole-now-faces-home-inspection-for-unsafe-works/news-story/df0469e222e824b45bf2e64ad4178f34

I’d be billing them for the work in a law suit. Bump the price up to Government/NDIS tender rates then pay the fine with proceeds.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 13, 2024 12:58 pm

Huma Abedin has the worst taste in men.

Bit of a two way street really.

George Soros’ son announces engagement to Muslim divorcee (Israel National News, 12 Jul)

cohenite
July 13, 2024 1:27 pm

Again, consistent with my view some of the punters are amoebas:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/07/12/analysis-election-remains-close-but-biden-still-favored-despite-debate-abomination/

If biden wins I’m moving to Mars; with a holiday house on Titan.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 13, 2024 1:41 pm

If biden wins I’m moving to Mars

Elon intends to build one Starship/Superheavy per day.

Next test launch is in a few weeks.

He had a rare failure overnight though, second stage Falcon 9 failure, which has the FAA all excited. They hate him and just love opportunities to throw sawdust into his gears.

132andBush
132andBush
July 13, 2024 2:03 pm

Some people are critical of Ben Shapiro for not supporting Trump. I’d argue that’s not entirely the case as his critiques of Trump have been conditional and calls it as he sees it.

But boy, he’s good value to have on your side.

Reading between the lines he is involved with the Trump campaign and by the looks so far some of his advice is being heeded.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 13, 2024 2:25 pm

One of my neighbours is moving to Castlemaine, says country Sicktoria is ok. Lots of really nice people.

Vicki
Vicki
July 13, 2024 2:36 pm

https://youtu.be/7yLvBdP5CjQ?si=hT8GUNJKakxD1g77

Indonesia is imposing tariffs on goods coming from China. Interesting development. Will it be followed by others?

Frank
Frank
July 13, 2024 2:38 pm

Some people are critical of Ben Shapiro for not supporting Trump.

A better reason to be critical is his habit of being a whiny little pipsqueak that trolls undergrads for fodder online.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
July 13, 2024 2:52 pm
johanna
johanna
July 13, 2024 3:21 pm

Here we go again – homelesness can be solved by taking other people’s property:

There were almost 100,000 homes sitting vacant or under-used in Melbourne in 2023, a new report has revealed.
Prosper Australia’s Speculative Vacancy report, which examines water meter usage data, reveals 27,400 homes, or 1.5 per cent of all dwellings in Melbourne, were left entirely empty in 2023.
With the inclusion of homes that recorded less than a quarter of the average single-person consumption of water over the year, another 70,400 homes were significantly under-used last year, lifting the total to almost 100,000 homes, or one in 20 dwellings across the city, sitting vacant.
“That’s equivalent to two and a half years of new construction, which is enough to house everyone on the Victorian public housing waitlist twice over,” said Prosper Australia director of research and policy Tim Helm.

The limits of private propertyAs Australians endure the latest acute phase of a decades-long housing crisis, why are property owners allowed to leave homes derelict and prime land vacant indefinitely?
https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/d2aa1d787ed3a5f24f1634b7593d29c3?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=2385&cropW=4240&xPos=0&yPos=223&width=862&height=485
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“It is a shocking waste that so many homes are left empty during a rental crisis, and it speaks to the state of inequality that these numbers keep rising.’

And on it goes – preferential tax treatment and so on.

I doubt that 100k homes were permanently empty, and have serious reservations about this ‘water meter’ methodology.

JC
JC
July 13, 2024 3:28 pm

Frank

July 13, 2024 2:38 pm

Some people are critical of Ben Shapiro for not supporting Trump.

A better reason to be critical is his habit of being a whiny little pipsqueak that trolls undergrads for fodder online.

Frank, he’s doing the Lord’s work or in his case, Yahweh. A lot of that shitty indoctrination starts at the undergrad level.

JC
JC
July 13, 2024 3:29 pm

132andBush

July 13, 2024 2:03 pm

Reading between the lines he is involved with the Trump campaign and by the looks so far some of his advice is being heeded.

Oh yeah. Didn’t know that.

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thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 13, 2024 3:30 pm

I get the seek ” businesses for sale” one popped up for a very high price ( multi millions) who’s business model appears to be based on jamming it’s blood funnels directly into the jugulars of government…

A NDIS/ Aboriginal based provider….

John H.
John H.
July 13, 2024 3:46 pm

JC

 July 13, 2024 3:28 pm

Frank

July 13, 2024 2:38 pm

Some people are critical of Ben Shapiro for not supporting Trump.

A better reason to be critical is his habit of being a whiny little pipsqueak that trolls undergrads for fodder online.

Frank, he’s doing the Lord’s work or in his case, Yahweh. A lot of that shitty indoctrination starts at the undergrad level.

Yahweh pays well. At one meeting he was repeatedly asked how much he gets paid for each speech. He eventually coughed up, $50,000-$100,000. I’ve never understood why people pay so much to hear someone speak.

John H.
John H.
July 13, 2024 3:50 pm

dover0beach

 July 13, 2024 3:14 pm

Will Schryver

@imetatronink

·

5h

?? ?? Great Clip

“It was like clubbing baby seals.”

Several years ago an elaborate air battle exercise was conducted between US F-35s, F-22s, and F/A-18s (“Blue Team”) against multiple Russian Sukhoi variants (“Red Team”).

Red massacred Blue.

Do you know how the USA conducts war games?

JC
JC
July 13, 2024 3:52 pm

John H

I very much doubt he’s being paid anything when making appearances at colleges.

People are constantly making fun of his pitched voice tone. He can’t help that, as that’s how he was born. However, the more grating, high-pitched sound I find is Tucker Carlson’s laugh, usually what he finds funny in an attempt to make others laugh. That’s 100% annoying.

Zippster
Zippster
July 13, 2024 3:55 pm
Gabor
Gabor
July 13, 2024 4:16 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
July 13, 2024 3:58 pm

The S-400s in Syria never get anywhere near Israeli F-35s. Nor even hoary old F-16s if you can believe this story.

I think the exercise was aircraft against aircraft?
Where do defensive missiles come into it?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2024 4:24 pm

Roger
 July 13, 2024 11:42 am

Fresh from casting aspersions (again) on Ben Roberts-Smith, ABC News asks, ‘What was this rugby league fan from the suburbs doing with ISIS?‘

It’s a mystery.

Chock full of “he got caught up in ….” vibe.
The bruddas went to Thailand for a holiday then, on a whim, decided to head off to Syria to experience the Sharia Law holiday camp.
Sure.
Now he’s pulling the “Innocent Abroad Sad Face” routine.
Just a regular NRL fan swept up in something beyond his control.

John H.
John H.
July 13, 2024 4:25 pm

JC

 July 13, 2024 3:52 pm

John H

I very much doubt he’s being paid anything when making appearances at colleges.

People are constantly making fun of his pitched voice tone. He can’t help that, as that’s how he was born. However, the more grating, high-pitched sound I find is Tucker Carlson’s laugh, usually what he finds funny in an attempt to make others laugh. That’s 100% annoying.

Perhaps. I don’t begrudge him, I’m very grateful he goes after the woke crowd. When people are entrenched in a view a direct logical confrontation often doesn’t work. I can’t assess his influence but if psychologists are to be trusted comedians like Gervais, Chapelle, and Seinfeld are more effective. I don’t care about his voice, I’ve never noticed that.

BobtheBoozer
BobtheBoozer
July 13, 2024 4:26 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4hwkBfx2H4
Interesting video on a Very large drill rig connecter being machined here in Australia.
I couldn’t help but notice the tools and attachments came from the US. I understand that a lot of this stuff comes from Asia and Europe.
Do we make any of the consumables here in Australia?
And where will we be on the list if there’s a war and we have to industrialise quickly?
Don’t answer – I bet no one has even a clue.
Just like the nickel industry that appears to be going tits up due to cheaper competition from Indonesia due to power prices, we could be building up a nice little stockpile of this gear.
But we aren’t.
And we won’t.
And it appears to be all because the government which interferes in everything we do, won’t make a positive interference.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
July 13, 2024 4:27 pm

Britt’s at it again… Grandfathers ill apparently:

Well, unless something has gone gravely wrong with justice system, ‘her truth’ plus an ill grandfather should see off Linda Reynolds’ defamation case.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2024 4:27 pm

GreyRanga
 July 13, 2024 2:25 pm

One of my neighbours is moving to Castlemaine, says country Sicktoria is ok. Lots of really nice people.

All those nice blokes in Castlemaine?
They’re lesbians.

Eyrie
Eyrie
July 13, 2024 4:58 pm

The clip showed some Russian fighters doing the cobra maneuver which is a last resort measure because is obliterates energy(it was first done by the Swedish Draken). 

More likely by John Boyd (the OODA loop guy) in the mid 1950s in the North American F100. He learned how to flat plate the thing without losing control.

Gabor
Gabor
July 13, 2024 4:58 pm

Roger
 July 13, 2024 11:42 am

Fresh from casting aspersions (again) on Ben Roberts-Smith, ABC News asks, ‘What was this rugby league fan from the suburbs doing with ISIS?‘

It’s a mystery.

That was an interesting read, hardly believable but interesting.
There is no way he wasn’t involved in the fighting, but have to take his word for it.

Yes, just wanted to experience living under ISIS?
There are a lot of safer countries under islamic law he could’ve tried first, just to gain some experience.

Miltonf
Miltonf
July 13, 2024 5:01 pm

Went to Studley Park Boathouse for High Tea today- very nice, very old Melbourne. Harold and Zara wouldn’t have been out of place there.

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Eyrie
Eyrie
July 13, 2024 5:02 pm

Cheap Chinese crap is despised, doesn’t ever meet expectations and doesn’t meet life.
OTOH top line Chinese stuff can get samples from Lunar Farside and return them to Earth.
They can make the quality they want to.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 13, 2024 5:11 pm

OTOH top line Chinese stuff can get samples from Lunar Farside and return them to Earth. They can make the quality they want to.

Certainly better than NASA has been doing lately.

It’s looking increasingly likely they’re going to ask Elon to rescue their intrepid Starliner astronauts.

NASA says it has no plans to use SpaceX to rescue 2 stranded astronauts (12 Jul, via Instapundit)

I love denials from government agencies…

Pogria
Pogria
July 13, 2024 5:22 pm

This meme always brings retiring ADF Head, Campbell to mind.
I wonder why? 😀

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Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 13, 2024 5:25 pm

Look at the food offered up from this bloke to the children….yes, he has the girls over in many a clip. Not this one.

This channel is binge watch central.

—-

Wilderness Cooking:

Baking Beef Legs in a Salt Shell! I Made Thor’s Hammer To Cook This Ancient Recipe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTPL7oQRBO4

John Brumble
John Brumble
July 13, 2024 5:34 pm

He wanted to experience life under ISIS, but -also- only went to Turkey (looking forward to the ABC using the non-English names for all countries and not uust the “cool” ones) for a holiday.

They drop deserters into acid, but he didn’t do any training despite them demanding that all did the training.

Cassie of Sydney
July 13, 2024 5:47 pm

Some facts about Ben Shapiro

Firstly, yes Ben has a nasally voice but who gives a rat’s arse about that. He’s smart, articulate and knows his stuff. He doesn’t flinch when confronted by progressive and Muslim scum.

Secondly, whilst Ben didn’t support Trump in 2016, he did in 2020 (begrudgingly) but now in 2024 his support for Trump is no longer begrudging, it’s enthusiastic. He’s looking forward to voting for Trump and has said so. He’s not immune to Trump’s failings….but even an imperfect Trump is better than the current incoherent rotting corpse in the WH..

Ben always reminds me, physically, of a Bar Mitzvah boy. He hasn’t changed one bit since he was a boy. I like his honesty and candour, it’s refreshing. He’s a true conservative. I remember how, in 2016 or 2017, Ben told Dave Rubin, in a very matter of fact way, how when he and his wife got married, both were virgins. I like that. That’s was the case with most of our grandparents, when they married they were virgins.

Further to the young Ben, here’s a youtube clip of Ben when he was only 12 years old, prior to his Bar Mitzvah, appearing before Larry King and playing the theme from Schindler’s List on his violin…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I13wjb9sXsM

As I said above, he hasn’t changed a bit!

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Eyrie
Eyrie
July 13, 2024 5:51 pm

Well technically they’ve reported they have done this. But no one knows if they really did it. There’s no way of confirming that. Tractor production is up, comrade.

Where’s the point in lying? Who benefits?

Cassie of Sydney
July 13, 2024 5:53 pm

Last week there was a piece in the Daily Telegraph about the ‘behavioural problems’ of the children of those hideous ISIS brides, brought back by our current Hamas sympathising government.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/help-sought-for-isis-baby-brought-home-to-australia-after-violent-classroom-incidents/news-story/5a3a5265c3e059e1072790ccae6c6a33

These children aren’t ‘happy little Vegemites’.

Eyrie
Eyrie
July 13, 2024 5:54 pm

I get printed circuit boards made in China. PCBGOGO.com
Excellent quality, excellent price, one week from sending the files they are in my hands.
Have a look at their capabilities on their website. All sorts of circuit boards made of all sorts of materials and many multiple layers.

Eyrie
Eyrie
July 13, 2024 5:57 pm

The tumbling rocket booster was actually meant to be a static test. The hold downs didn’t work. They might have subcontracted the bolts to Boeing who failed to put them in.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2024 6:04 pm

JC
 July 13, 2024 3:52 pm

John H

I very much doubt he’s being paid anything when making appearances at colleges.

The headline rate for public speakers (except the really high end ones) is rarely what is actually paid.
It is usually advertised at an ambit claim rate by their agent.
Remember when high heels Morrison quit the ADF and was touted as being able to pull big bucks on the speaking circuit?
Firstly, the “speaking circuit” in Australia is tiny and secondly, he would be only in demand from organisations with no budget.
Has anyone seen him advertised as a guest speaker anywhere?
I thought not.

Miltonf
Miltonf
July 13, 2024 6:08 pm

So the Morrison thing is just enjoying COMM super. What a grotesque abomination.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 13, 2024 6:11 pm

Senator Fatima Payman sees ‘groundswell of support’ after quitting Labor to cross the floor on Palestine voteJake DietschThe West Australian
Sat, 13 July 2024 3:56PM

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Senator Fatima Payman has told a crowd of backers a “groundswell” of support is behind her after she quit the Labor party to support a motion in favour of recognising a Palestinian state.
The 29-year-old WA senator was suspended from Labor last month by the Prime Minister for crossing the floor to vote for the Greens motion and subsequently declaring she would make the same decision in the event of a further motion brought forward by the left-wing party.
The independent senator — who is the first hijab wearing woman in Parliament — met constituents at the Kyilla Community Farmers’ Market on Saturday where stallholders recognised her from the news.
“Farmer Damian” — who operated a pet barn — jokingly called her a “rabble-rouser” and urged the senator to push for more funding to help farmers transition after the end of live exports.
She responded that she had reached out to the WA Farmers Federation to discuss the issue.
The senator, who was elected third on her former party’s Upper House ticket in 2022, later in the day met a crowd of supporters and was presented with a petition from the group Political Intifada that stated it was “appalled” that she was “censored” by Labor’s position.
Addressing the room, Senator Payman told them they were fighting “a good fight”.

JC
JC
July 13, 2024 6:12 pm

Thanks for the update, Cassie. I wasn’t aware of the various stages of Ben’s move to Trump. I’ve always liked him, even when he was against the Orange man. I don’t always agree with Bret Stephens who appears to have a serious case of TDS, but I overlook that part of him and enjoy the good side of his writing.

Cassie of Sydney
July 13, 2024 6:15 pm

That’s was the case with most of our grandparents, when they married they were virgins.

Make that ‘most of our parents‘.

Cassie of Sydney
July 13, 2024 6:16 pm

I don’t always agree with Bret Stephens who appears to have a serious case of TDS, but I overlook that part of him and enjoy the good side of his writing.

Me too, JC.

Indolent
Indolent
July 13, 2024 6:25 pm
Arky
July 13, 2024 6:30 pm

Eyrie

 July 13, 2024 5:54 pm

I get printed circuit boards made in China. PCBGOGO.com

Excellent quality, excellent price, one week from sending the files they are in my hands.

Have a look at their capabilities on their website. All sorts of circuit boards made of all sorts of materials and many multiple layers.

See if you can list three downsides for you personally of continuing to source your products from China.
Just as an intellectual exercise

Indolent
Indolent
July 13, 2024 6:46 pm
John H.
John H.
July 13, 2024 7:17 pm

Indolent

 July 13, 2024 6:46 pm

Will Debt Sink the American Empire?

No.

John H.
John H.
July 13, 2024 7:24 pm

New photos show China is dramatically expanding its submarine fleet | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

I often think Western military promotional videos can be silly but the Chinese video at the top of the screen is so corny and funny I can’t watch all of it.

Eyrie
Eyrie
July 13, 2024 7:32 pm
Muddy
Muddy
July 13, 2024 7:43 pm

I’ve just rewatched a documentary titled Sententia, about an ASLAV troop from 2/14 PoWLH’s 2011 tour of Afghanistan. An independent film and pretty watchable. (I still think our government did a shite job in terms of the public coverage of our efforts there. It left holes for certain media types to fill in).

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
July 13, 2024 7:45 pm

Z2KA @ 6:11:

Senator Fatima Payman sees ‘groundswell of support’ after quitting Labor to cross the floor on Palestine vote

[…]

The senator, who was elected third on her former party’s Upper House ticket in 2022, later in the day met a crowd of supporters and was presented with a petition from the group Political Intifada…

From a mildly mainstream perspective, it’s just possible to see the problem here… 

BobtheBoozer
BobtheBoozer
July 13, 2024 7:46 pm

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/20775/iran-mirage-the-reformist-trap

  • These political figures are strategically positioned to create a mirage: the illusion of potential reform to lure the West into a false sense of security while the central objectives of the regime remain unchanged — and expansion-by-proxies and the nuclear weapons program forge ahead.
BobtheBoozer
BobtheBoozer
July 13, 2024 7:51 pm

What the Hell is happening with the site? Multiple blocks of posts go missing, I refresh the page and some turn up and the ones that were there disappear.
Bloody Hell, Dover, apart from the uselessness of making a reply to a post – because it only appears yesterday and the site has moved on, and is another page ahead, the continuity has disappeared.
People are not going to reload every page and reread what replies there were again and again.
Wordpress sucks.

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 13, 2024 7:57 pm

I agree the comment reply section of the site is very annoying.

You could go back to your original post a multiplicity of times the thread is up to check whether someone’s replied.

WordPress needs to develop a feature whereby it alerts you to a reply – maybe a flashing icon you could see and then click to go to the comment – as long as back took you back to where you were.

IDEA! Just ignore the comment capability and copy and paste part of what you were going to comment on in the thread at large….

Rosie
Rosie
July 13, 2024 8:04 pm

“As is the claim of non-proficiency in Arabic after 10 years of total immersion in it.”
His family would have spoken Lebanese Arabic at home for sure, parents from Tripoli.
Hamza was one of the fat Jihadis, four brothers, two morbidly obese who pretended they had won a holiday to Thailand. Hamza is the second from the left in the family photo.
I don’t doubt he initially was unfit for service, when interviewed in 2019 he had already lost a great deal of weight but nowhere near as thin as he is now.
His claims to be an accidental terrorist are pretty weak. They all knew exactly where they planned to go.
Interesting that Dr Jamal Rifi went to Tripoli Lebanon in 2016 and the locals all knew three of the brothers were dead and one was missing.
Rifi perhaps in a 2019 interview suggested he should be repatriated so authorities could found out how muslims were radicalised.
Sure.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 13, 2024 8:13 pm

The ABC casting nasturtiums again?

Say it ain’t so!

People ought to start telling Liberal candidates that they will not vote for them unless they determine to bring that lumbering partisan dead weight to heel.

As is, they will happily talk about anything else. But then, the other stuff all fades into a bureaucratic fog.

I appreciate that it might sound a bit like single-issue blindness, but reality is that the ABC shapes the way so much is discussed and understood. Not because they possess great insight. They don’t. They are forever being mugged by reality. Just that no one reports it as proof of their dilettante undergraduate Marxist cobbling together of impossible abstractions.

But it is, in a fashion, connected to the American First Amendment. Letting all opinions to present themselves to
the public.

Just imagine where we would be if beside the crabbed Keynesian economist a free market economist had a seat. Or people who believed in nuclear beside those droning looped tapes who prate on about the contrived glories of renewables. Someone who asserts that culture is more important than race, or that women who know they are women instantiate a more sublime reality than men in fishnets who claim to be women.

The ABC as is poisons so many wells that would be crystalline limpid otherwise.

Sod them all off to a WER (Well Earned Redundancy).

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 13, 2024 8:18 pm

BobtheBoozer
 July 13, 2024 7:51 pm

What the Hell is happening with the site? Multiple blocks of posts go missing, I refresh the page and some turn up and the ones that were there disappear.
Bloody Hell, Dover, apart from the uselessness of making a reply to a post – because it only appears yesterday and the site has moved on, and is another page ahead, the continuity has disappeared.
People are not going to reload every page and reread what replies there were again and again.
WordPress sucks.

Don’t use the reply function. Always do a cut and paste.

Rosie
Rosie
July 13, 2024 8:25 pm

That groundswell of support.
“This is what’s so toxic: Muslims supporting other Muslims no matter how sociopathic and insane their behavior.”
Just about every public muslim would fall into this category.
https://x.com/bulutuzay_/status/1811701242193670646?t=49mnlo5J3XSDUjZBh0d-DQ&s=19

Miltonf
Miltonf
July 13, 2024 8:27 pm

The ABC as is poisons so many wells that would be crystalline limpid otherwise.

This isn’t a recent thing either- just think of Lateline on 2FC in 1975 interviewing paedos, the revolting ‘Science’ show (should have been called the anti-nuclear sex show), etc etc

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 13, 2024 8:29 pm

Great band.

Little River Band – Lady (Film Clip & Live) 1978

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMV6-dacuuc

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
July 13, 2024 8:36 pm

Muddy, earth to Muddy.
It being Saturday night it is the tradition to link to songs here.

Try this one by Tom Macdonald.
Tom MacDonald – Wild Ones (feat Nova Rockafeller)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2fbUuulrRM

It’s one of his more musical songs.

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Gabor
Gabor
July 13, 2024 8:57 pm

Arky versus Eyrie
July 13, 2024 7:57 pm

But you enjoy your printed circuit boards Princess and continue not to think to hard about the place they come from.

Don’t want to take sides in this spat.

Arky, I can see where you are coming from, but would it be any better to order vital components from Taiwan?

Or from any other country in the world?

We are not at actual war with any of them and hopefully never will be so I see no problem with trading with them.

I agree with you totally that we should develop our industries again, not to mention we should’ve kept them in the first place, specially the electronic bits, but the Whitlam and subsequent governments knew better and now here we are.

I can assure you that in our lifetime, that revival of industry will not happen.

And if something really disastrous comes about, it will be way too late.

So in the meantime take advantage in trade and procuring parts where you can, abusing each other won’t solve any of the problems we face.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
July 13, 2024 8:57 pm

I honestly can’t remember hearing this song…until now.

Sylvester – You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real) (Moreno J Remix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cszmzjKZqU

Cassie of Sydney
July 13, 2024 8:57 pm

His claims to be an accidental terrorist are pretty weak. They all knew exactly where they planned to go.

Oh yes, and that includes those hideous black crows, the ISIS brides who willingly and enthusiastically travelled to Syria, Turkey and Northern Iraq to participate in the enslavement and slaughter of infidels. Brought back here by a Hamas loving government.

We are such a stupid country.

Zippster
Zippster
July 13, 2024 9:59 pm

We are not at actual war with any of them and hopefully never will be so I see no problem with trading with them.

50:50 at this stage imho

Chinese demographics make it a toss up, they might go to war to put the economy into war footing and stave off popular unrest from the century long deflationary cycle they have entered or they may decide it is too hard basket despite it being a symbol of chinese ascendency.

The main problem is reliance on external supplies such as fuel and food.

Either way we should absolutely not trade with them. Let them rot in their communist utopia.

Chris
Chris
July 13, 2024 9:59 pm
Chris
Chris
July 13, 2024 10:02 pm
Chris
Chris
July 13, 2024 10:05 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 13, 2024 10:22 pm

Here’s another one that doesn’t get started, Arky, because it is too hard. American Thinker:

Which leaves this to consider: How desperate will the establishment be to keep Trump from the White House? If Trump is rolling to victory this autumn and is waylaid by a deluge of “cheap fake” ballots in any of the right combinations of battleground states, thereby handing the election to demented Joe or airhead Kamala, will the nation swallow a bigger, more glaringly obvious cheat?

Will the establishment dig in its heels and defiantly challenge the country, declaring in effect: “What are you going to do about it?” And the million-dollar question is, what would we do about it?

It’s just like buying the cheap Chinese, it’s systematic. We can resist in small ways, as the Soviet people did. We can hope for internal ructions within the power blocs, and some new leaders emerging, leading towards something better, newer alliances, a glasnost even. Conservatives simply won’t take to the streets like the left. We’ll take our only option – hunker down and try to win next time. Maybe try to initiate a few system tweaks, but mostly grumble and cope. Adam Smith’s old saying of there being a lot of ruin in a nation comes into play.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 13, 2024 10:23 pm

Chris – I like this one because of the guitar.
I could see Rabz and Roger playing this guitar.
Together. With help.

ZZ Top review: Billy Gibbons and Frank Beard’s hard blues rock is alive and well (12 Jul)

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Gabor
Gabor
July 13, 2024 10:32 pm

Gabor
July 13, 2024 8:57 pm

Arky versus Eyrie

July 13, 2024 7:57 pm

Regarding your comments in reply, I am in furious agreement with most of what you say.

Sadly I think the horse is bolted long ago and we won’t be catching it soon if ever.

As to engaging in discussion about the demise of our manufacturing, quite a few people whom you’d expect to take part make their living from financial dealings and as long as shares rise or fall to their advantage, the dirty business of actually making something that backs up their portfolio is of little matter.

I am not qualified to engage in the finer points of economic theory, and listening to Rabz I have the feeling that neither are most economists.

PS union power could be curtailed, power supply could be cheap and plentiful if government had the guts, can’t see it happening.

cohenite
July 13, 2024 10:39 pm
Rosie
Rosie
July 13, 2024 10:42 pm

Mohammed Deif gone?
Naturally hamas are claiming 186,000 civilians died in the attack.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-july-13-2024/

Rosie
Rosie
July 13, 2024 10:42 pm
JC
JC
July 13, 2024 10:46 pm

Cronkite

You mentioned earlier that you suspected the fix was in with the Baldwin case, but I’m not so sure, as hiding pertinent evidence is supposed to be a no no. Yeah, I know, Trump’s case has all of that and more. But I think the judge acted properly, and one of the lead prosecutors in the case resigned the next day in disgrace. This is a good thing, I believe, and it also shows people just how some prosecutors are corrupt arseholes.

Rosie
Rosie
July 13, 2024 10:52 pm
Arky
July 13, 2024 11:12 pm

This idea that we are in a managed decline is horseshit.
What we are in is managed sabotage and looting.

KevinM
KevinM
July 13, 2024 11:48 pm

He had it coming.

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Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 14, 2024 12:19 am

Arky, going for ‘solutions’ is why I’m tempted to try to work from within, for the Libs, in their push to go nuclear. At least I might be doing something productive, helping to reach a lot of people with a new energy message and creating an awareness of ways through the climate cult and out of the deindustrialisation of the West. The globalisation issue can be addressed once we’re back on our feet. I’ll promote ‘stop gaps’ using coal and gas and some nuclear energy development, until a better understanding of how this cult has taken hold is brought to the voting masses. It may take another election cycle, but I could face playing this long game (gonna need an impetus to this if Trump loses in the US and Albo wins here). Eventually I’m hoping we can achieve a genuine energy market where renewables are niche, nuclear is privatised after its governmental start-up on say three sites as a beginning and coal is again king, with some gas also contributing.

I’ve given up on minor parties because there’s nothing like Farage’s Reform in Australia yet, and with total loonies like Albo/Bowen in charge who simply must be stopped asap, I’ve decided the Libs are our best hope. I met some people at that Liberal function I attended the other night who struck me as honest and capable, in spite of all the SFL shrieks we hear from the Cat (which I appreciate because the Liberal wets really are SFL’s). Outside the tent now though is just a long time in the cold feeling low, and I hate that. Libertarians still have some appeal but I think conservatism suits me better these days. The Libs also have the Nationals, a less wet group. I met a young man who is trying, from within the Liberal Party, to change the young Libs away from their Marxist educations. Good on you, I told him. If he comes on the Cat, make him welcome.

KevinM
KevinM
July 14, 2024 12:33 am

The public never considers the math!

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KevinM
KevinM
July 14, 2024 1:05 am

Some will understand, losing them is too painful.

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Arky.
July 14, 2024 1:08 am

Live bear cam, Alaska.
Salmon running. Bears fishing. Live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1YoGAxmZtE

John H.
John H.
July 14, 2024 1:09 am

Arky.

 July 14, 2024 12:41 am

 Reply to  Arky

And when someone insults you, smile, because that means they know you got them on the arguments

I’ve been insulted here more times than all other forums combined.

Tom
Tom
July 14, 2024 4:00 am
johanna
johanna
July 14, 2024 5:05 am

Thanks, Tom.

You are an ornament to this site. 🙂

Any fule kno that several readers (Rabz, for one) are acquainted with the magnificent series of books about Molesworth and his experiences at boarding school.

Here is a link to the admirable The Conservative Woman (on the sidebar) where retired journo Alan Ashworth reminisces about the books.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/that-reminds-me-the-molesworth-cronickles-part-2/

It contains a link to his previous article on the subj, highly recommended.

Here’s a sample:

WE left Nigel Molesworth at the end of the first St Custard’s bookDown With Skool, a brilliant and sardonic evocation of life as a prep school boarder and an instant best-seller for author Geoffrey Willans and illustrator Ronald Searle.
This was published in 1953 and followed the next year by How to be ToppA Guide to Sukcess for Tiny Pupils, Including All There is to Kno about Space. As before, Nigel’s thoughts are a stream of consciousness often, but not always, misspelt.

We join our hero on the skool trane after the summer holidays. ‘There are lots of new bugs and all there maters blub they hav every reason if they knew what they were going to. For us old lags however it is just another stretch same as any other and no remision for good conduc.

‘Who knows what adventures in work and pla the next term will bring forth. And who cares, eh?’

Under the heading HOW TO SUCCEED AS A NEW BUG Molesworth writes: ‘Paters at the moment are patting the blubing maters. “It is all right old gurl”, they sa. “Skools are not wot they were in my day. Boys are no longer cruel to each other and the masters are friends.” “But my Eustace hav been taken away. He is only a baby.” (You are dead right he is. Fancy sending him to skool with a name like Eustace. They deserve it all.)

‘Pater stare at his glass of gin reflectively. It will be peaceful at home now. He can relax at the weekends and if it is a good skool Eustace will soon be strong and brainy enuf to bring in the coal. He sa: “Now in my day it was different. When I first went to Grunts they tosted me on a slo fire. Then I ran the gauntlet being flicked with wet towels. Then they stood me aganst the mantelpeace as I am standing now – ” BANG! CRASH!

‘Mater gives him sharp uper cut followed by right cross then zoom up to bed leaving pater wondering why women are so unpredictable. Glumly he pours himself another gin.’

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I discovered Molesworth because it was serialised in a newspaper or a magazine – maybe the Daily or Sunday Telegraph? Can’t remember. But I never forgot Molesworth.

And, it’s interesting that Jo Rowling’s ‘Hogwarts’ originated there. She agrees that she read it, but says she doesn’t remember making the association. I believe her. It happens to writers and musicians all the time, they absorb a lot of product of their field and don’t consciously remember every detail. So what?

There’s not a lot of humour that survives its era, but this is a classic.

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 14, 2024 5:25 am

Having read the Molesworth books as a young bloke, some years ago I ran them all to earth on secondhand Abebooks and bought the collection. Great stuff!

Cassie of Sydney
July 14, 2024 7:19 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
 July 14, 2024 12:19 am

Lizzie, I wish I could have attended with you both. I agree with you on the merits of belonging to a large party, and it is something I have thought long and hard about however the problem with joining the Liberal Party in NSW is the state Liberal Party machine, run by hard left Green progressive apparatchiks such as Matt Kean and Michael Photios.

They control the party in this state. Yes, there are conservative branches such as Vaucluse, Roseville and others but they wield little to no influence on the state executive. The state executive constantly overrides them. And then you have branches such as inner-city Sydney, whose green credentials, be it on renewables or trannie stuff, wouldn’t be out of place at a Greens meeting in Marrickville.

The NSW Liberals are obsessed with renewables.

Don’t think for a minute that Matt Kean, newly retired state Liberal MP and now (conveniently) the member for Grayndler’s personal pick as chair of the Climate Change Authority, doesn’t still have huge influence and sway on the state Liberal executive. Senator Holly Hughes has lot her coveted spot on the senate ticket. Andrew Bragg, a close associate of Photios and Keen, now has top spot on the NSW Liberal senate ticket. Bragg is a Green, okay he’s good on Israel and some economic stuff but he represents everything wrong with today’s Liberals.

Now that Hughes has been dumped, I will not vote for any of the NSW Liberals on the senate ticket at the next federal election. I will vote a mix of 1, 2 and 3 Libertarian and PHON on the senate ballot paper.

Tom
Tom
July 14, 2024 7:31 am

The NSW Liberals are obsessed with renewables.

There’s a Walkley Award up for grabs for the first journalist who investigates how many members of the NSW Liberal Party — from Michael Photios down — are personally benefiting from investments in renewable energy.

It’s political corruption on a grand scale for members of a political party to be mining subsidies supported or introduced by their own party.

Unfortunately, Australian journalism no longer has the elementary curiosity required to investigate one of the biggest sleeping stories in Australian politics

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