Tell me, is this ‘demonstration of dissent’ the same as the right to free expression? Because, if it is, how did you first secure the right to free expression without the demonstration of dissent? It can’t have been the demonstration of dissent, otherwise, you’d be begging the question.

To repeat for possibly the 12th time, you cannot untangle the right to free expression, dissent and association. You’ve tried but its like using a sledge hammer and padlock cutters for brain surgery.

Clay Millican:

Indy Got Intense In Qualifying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyDHTyF_-aE

Emotional stuff.
Billy Elliot OST Pyotr Il’yich Tchaikovsky – Swan lake M/V#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXl9TPrlyC8

Mark Dice in serious mode.

The Next Wave?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ws2tk4UDE

Doesn’t take much to get an online obit. these dayz …. FFS! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13803111/Struggle-Street-reality-TV-tragedy-Bob-Quinn-boyfriend-pregnant-bong-smoker-Billie-Jo-dies-suddenly.html

Media tart Mike Burgess courts the spotlight again:

“I’ve watched with interest over the last couple of weeks how people have chosen to distort what I said,” the ASIO director-general told 7.30.

Just get back to checking the movement alert list, Mike, and pray that none of the 3000 odd Gazans you’ve issued a security clearance to ever harms an Australian

Or maybe not

@shellenberger

I have deleted an earlier post about Brazil’s Supreme Court decision. I based it on the reporting of Jota, one of Brazil’s most respected legal publications. Jota, without explanation, deleted the paragraphs saying that Brazilians would not be fined for using X.

Word from above.

Dutton will officially announce the scrapping of Bowen’s ‘Rewiring the Nation’ boondoggle today. That’s twenty billion the renewable grifters can’t get to seed finance if the coalition win.

Any word on whether or not the windmills and solar panels get speared as well?

Yesterday morning I made a follow-up from my op appointment at the medicare harvesters I used to get my specialist referal .. Between then (9.30am) and my appointment this morning (9.00am) they sent me 8 text msgs reminding me I had an appointment .. FFS!

Say a family of refugees with no idea how Australian society functions get housed next door to you.
And the government and various “charities” provide services and advice to this family. With daily contact.

As someone who lives in a “houso” estate where this is a common occurence this contact is not only dun daily/weekly ect but continues on for years with no obligations on the part of the “refugees” to do anything .. I’ve “neighbours” from the Vietcong boat folk era .. never worked, never learnt English but no probs getting gummint “help” whenever …………

If people on a right of centre site can’t accept the importance of emphasising duties and responsibilities over rights and obligations, imagine what an unmitigated complete zoo the left presents.
No wonder more and more the politics of the left represents the unrestrained exercise of power.

Arky, rights in any legal order are reflected in duties.

Are you in this sentence describing

1. the current legal situation, or
2. a general principle that you think describes all legal order.

If it’s
1. How do account for judges imprisoning anyone associated with Trump on any pretext, for example?
2, How do you explain the existence of legal orders that have examples of rights but no duties, such as a medieval lord granted the right to roger the local peasant women?

Good summary of the upcoming merchan and the fat, black kunt, chutkan’s judgments in the Trump lawfare cases:

As Campaign Enters Home Stretch, Trump Remains Bound and Gagged by Democratic Lawfare (declassified.live)

Good conclusion:

Trump has been forcibly gagged by the corrupt courts. Harris, meanwhile, operates under a voluntary gag order

Avi:

Violent Covid-cops finally GET SMASHED in court

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgwo49wKMVY

I’m so happy Clay won this event. Stoked.

Faark yeah!

——

Clay Millican gets his first U.S. Nationals win.

In Top Fuel, Clay Millican was also a first-time winner at the prestigious U.S. Nationals, defeating four-time world champion Steve Torrence in the final round with a run of 3.792 at 327.82 in his 11,000-horsepower Arby’s/Parts Plus dragster. Millican struggled in qualifying, entering raceday in the No. 13 spot, but made major improvements when it counted, including a 3.695 at 333.74 to defeat Antron Brown in the first round.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LsewjdIrEY

“The professor who told them their rights to protest and put them up to it never explained that the right to freely express your political opinion implies a corresponding duty…”

Bingo.
It’s not that rights or duties are “better” (pick one), but rather that each only exists hand-in-hand with the other. My right to speak my opinion only exists while you have the same right, ergo it is everyone’s duty to ensure the right to speak of everyone else, even those with whom you violently disagree.
As a famous man once said: “Free speech is hard. Free speech is standing up for the right of a man to speak – a man whose ideas make your blood boil, a man who is advocating at the top of his voice that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.”
You will note that the same applies to all rights – even the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Because they apply to all, they apply even when you would prefer that they did not – they must, else they be stripped from you for any reason that takes the fancy of those in power. And it is your duty to defend thee rights as they apply to others even more than when they apply to you.

Bingo.

It’s not that rights or duties are “better” (pick one), but rather that each only exists hand-in-hand with the other.

Sure, we have to answer the draft, pay taxes, and follow laws to keep the peace. But beyond that, what duties do we really owe to others (strangers)?
Duties can turn into a rabbit hole of endless insanity.
We might be legally obligated to do certain things, but what actual duty do we have to feed, clothe, or shelter a stranger? What about our responsibilities to Aboriginal communities? As long as I’m not putting someone’s life in danger, I don’t see why I have a duty to any random person.
And why should anyone feel obligated to help a poor Australian—who, let’s be honest, might be more likely to need a treadmill than a meal—over a starving kid in Mali? Is the moral obligation there just because the Aussie’s a fellow citizen? I’m not sold on this whole ‘duties’ idea.

Both and 2. never existed.

Slavery and servitude never existed?
People with duties but no corresponding rights never existed under laws?
One might enquire as to if the celts murdered in the Roman arenas under Roman laws were volunteers

Back in July, the first hurricane hit the Gulf/Atlantic tropics for the summer. The Gerbalists were doing cartwheels because, to them, this was suggesting a big storm season, which they could then wrap around hyped-up alarmism.

And now, there hasn’t been any major storm activity and a hugely reduced number of storms this season, and we end up with two things.

No storm activity also means gerbil warming, and it’s those desert rains.

Rare desert rains may have stifled Atlantic hurricanes—for now

I’m not asking you to untangle expression, dissent and association.

“Did I say you wanted me to? Nah, that’s just wishful thinking on your part. Asking how to untangle those three was rhetorical—while quizzing you on why they’re different. But hey, A+ for effort!”

I’ll reduce the number of things included in the sentence to make this easier and less prone to misunderstanding: I’m trying to get you to recognize that speaking…and the right to speak…are not the same thing….as I’ve repeatedly said, you already have…[the ability to speak]. The movement here is not from not being [able to speak] at all to having it in full, it’s from having [speech] insecurely at least as a matter of law, to having them securely. And you begin securing the most basic, life, and move up the hierarchy.

Look at the development of any human community. The focus is firstly on securing their lives from predators, rival human groups, the elements, etc. They will also want to provide themselves with sufficient food for sustenance. Having secured the basics they will then move up the hierarchy. Same is true of a family on a budget, health, food, and shelter are the priorities, and what little may be saved is spent on books, fashionable clothing, entertainment. Again, this is just obvious.

This was all about how expression, dissent, and association are tangled together. How you ended up on a tangent about life and security is a mystery!

during the covid travesty in Melbourne it wasn’t people exercising their legal rights who put it up the bastards, it was men willing to go out in spite of the laws and face jail.
How much less worse things were than they could have been because some rely on a bloody minded sense of duty and not their rights, put level of fear into the pricks, we will never know for sure.

…and on the other side it was coppers and politicians with no understanding of their actual duty who caused the shit to begin with

Left-Wing UK Government Suspends Dozens of Arms Export Licences to Israel

If the COVID shots are so safe, then why have over 80% of NHS employees refused to take another booster?

Joe Biden Has Gotten Worse Since He Dropped out of 2024 Race – Heavily Slurs at Labor Day Campaign Event with Kamala

Listen to this. It’s beyond belief. Literally, the old Soviet Union.

UK journalist under house arrest on terrorism charges

The German Right Rises

Nice try, but your attempt to brush this off is weak. If you’re suddenly redefining ‘goods,’ you should have clarified that from the start. Otherwise, any misunderstanding is on you. Spare me the misdirection; it’s not convincing.

Roger

 September 3, 2024 2:58 pm

From history and experience, which is more likely in a democracy to happen:

“Rights” morph into entitlements.

or

Duties become servitude?

The two go hand in hand.

Entitlements have to be funded, therefore, as they multiply, the taxpayer effectively becomes a servant.

How many days in a 10 day fortnight does the productive citizen now have to work to fulfil his obligations to the Canberra Leviathan as a taxpayer? Around four for most, I’d suggest, and it’s rising, not falling, seemingly inexorably.

This is why we need small and preferably decentralised government.

Another topic.

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 Reply to  Roger
The problem you just described comes from the misguided spread of rights.
That’s the point.
No one comes to the citizens and says “Lucky you, we have given you more duties as a matter of principle, later on we can decide how to spend it”.
They come to the citizens and say “This is your right”. Without explaining the subsequent burden.
That’s the problem with putting an emphasis on rights above duties, especially when one wing of politics wants to expand them into entitlements in return for votes

The big eared Queensland galoot could end causing a serious problem with his comment about the RBA

Wilson Asset Management chairman Geoff Wilson has blasted Jim Chalmers for making “pathetic and disappointing” comments about the ­Reserve Bank’s efforts to tame inflation.

Speaking to The Australian on Tuesday, Mr Wilson said the treasurer’s move to declare the RBA was “smashing the economy” with higher rates was “appalling behaviour”, with the central bank’s job made harder by the federal government’s stimulatory budgets.

“It’s exceptionally disappointing and pathetic, and totally uncalled for. It’s just really unbecoming behaviour by Albanese and Chalmers. Appalling behaviour by what are meant to be our political leaders. They should be supporting the Reserve Bank,” Mr Wilson said.

Dr Chalmers this week looked to shift blame on to central bank governor Michele Bullock ahead of GDP data, due Wednesday, expected to show slowing growth.

Stimulus measures in the past two budgets had hindered the RBA’s efforts, Mr Wilson argued.

“If (the government) weren’t running expansionary budgets, then (the RBA) wouldn’t have that problem,” Mr Wilson added.

“They’ve lined the RBA up (and said) you try to keep inflation under control, and we’re going to run budgets that are stimulatory. So we’re not going to help you at all, we’re not going to work with you, instead we’re going to work against you, and then we’re going to blame you for the problem and make you the scapegoat.”

It is not the first time Mr Wilson has laid into the federal government. The fund manager has been fiercly critical of Labor’s move to tax unrealised gains on superannuation balances above $3m, warning it would negatively affect investment in local businesses. He doggedly pursued Labor and former leader Bill Shorten in 2019, campaigning heavily against its policy to ban excess franking credit refunds. The disastrous policy was blamed for Labor losing the so-called unlosable election.

If the RBA eases, it could very well be seen as the CB relenting to the Liars even though inflation remains above target. If you removed the energy subsidies that caused a subtraction to the CPI, we would be closer to 4% CPI.

You tell generations of children of their “rights”.
You put them in the mindset of thinking they should receive things regardless of effort, even if it’s something as ephemeral as “liberty”.
Everything is couched as a right. Little Johnny has a right to a supportive learning “environment”. Little Jenny has a right to have her learning disability taken into account.
One side of politics works diligently and remorselessly over decades to expand the definition of “rights” into “entitlements”. Suddenly you have “free” education, health, public housing. Where once the factory owner built the road between his mill and the estate where he kept his workers, now freedom of mobility is a right.
Suddenly you are stuck on an eight lane freeway for hours waiting for effing Just Stop Oil wankers exercising their right to be idiots.
Police with a quota to fill claim to be pursuing everyone’s right to make it home safe by booking you for 8km/hr over on a bright day on a clear blue highway.
Dazed and disorientated, clutching your chest you stagger into the emergency dept, only to have to queue behind a dozen refugees who have been told by advocates that the local hospital has to give them free attention, whereas the local GP will charge them $30.
Inside the hospital you are greeted by large signs stating that the staff have “a right to be treated with curtesy” and any offence against them will result in criminal charges. You look at the assortment of slobs slurping coffees that consists of the staff in this institution and the momentary feelings of sympathy that you had for them realising that the sign was required because of the never ending stream of drug wrecked idiots exercising their “right to do whatever they want with their own bodies” evaporates.
F*ck your rights.

It appears to me that DJT is winning most, if not all, of the key States:

President: general election : 2024 Polls | FiveThirtyEight

But Kamala is flogging him on the Nationwide poll (which doesn’t actually count for anything)?

Would that be a fair read?

“Duties refer to obligations or responsibilities that individuals are expected to fulfill,?”

Part of the social contract then, as it were?
Does that not describe charity, mutual respect and so on?
And therefore make such things duties?
Not trying to be a dick or anything, just not seeing that your description of “duty” excludes what I suggested were duties.

Let’s try it from the other side then: if what I described are NOT duties, then what generalised word better describes them? I mean, all of them in one word.
Happy for you to agree this is a hard area to get right – I thought “duty” was OK…