Depends if it is smoked, or not. Hickory -smoked camel is pretty good stuff, Roast it low and slow, basting…
Open Thread – Mon 2 Sept 2024
- Open Thread – Weekend 18 Jan 2025
- Guest Post: Mem – The Ratchet Effect of Power-Price Increases
- Will the wind warriors become social outcasts?
- Open Thread – Thurs 16 Jan 2025
- Open Thread – Mon 13 Jan 2025
Chris Kenny has been putting up some good columns for the Oz though. Stuck on a horse-drawn buggy as world…
Clennell is no loss.
If they don’t get them all, start razing Gaza to the ground.
Sadly, this was predictable from the time of Al Grassby.
The criticism that talking about rights without reference to their ends leads to error.
To repeat for possibly the 12th time, you cannot untangle the right to free expression, dissent and association. You’ve tried but its like using a sledge hammer and padlock cutters for brain surgery.
No, you suggested there are or have been historical criticisms prior to the two example you presented? What are they?
And I have presented ends arguments all along but you’ve chosen to ignore them and doing so even now. I’ve said several times in fact that the ends for the right to expression is that it offers a bridge to other rights like those you mentioned.
I think you’re failing to recognize that my problem is not with the concrete manifestation of rights, say in laws against billeting, murder, etc. but with rights talk particularly when it ignores the goods they are for.
Am I? You did say you weren’t a fan of rights.
Had to have one of the hounds put down yesterday.
God I hate how dogs get a hold of you and weasel their way in.
I’m getting cats when the other dogs go.
I can’t stand cats.
If I back over a couple in the driveway I won’t give a shit unless bits end up in the wheel-well.
Like the 2 mogs my kids sicc’d on me .. every, bloody, time I feed ’em I think that’s money i could have spent on me .. LOL!
Crossie, the claim that government protection is necessary to keep us safe has been made in Australia since the 1970s, and as a result, we have the largest nanny state in the world while free expression, speech and association has been curtailed.
I didn’t mention the government providing that safety, it most likely is something you would provide for yourself first or band with likeminded people to ensure it. My theory is that it’s the social compact that is the anchor to rights.
Followed this argument about rights for a little while, not every post, as it got bogged down in claims and counter claims.
I value free speech dearly, but it’s of little value if I am not alive, so I’d rather have laws that protect me first.
Or laws that allowed you to protect yourself – like the Right to Bear Arms in Self Defence. or Castle Doctrine, or Stand your Ground Laws none of which we have in Australia.
And when seconds count the protectors are minutes away.
Australians are refused the means to protect themselves for one reason only – the administrative state demands a monopoly on violence even at the cost of the citizens life.
That doesn’t seem a great deal to me when the other person is prepared to risk a minor gaol sentence that some bleeding heart will shorten even more.
I’ve said it before, I would like to see Cash and Rowdy visit a hospice. When Oma was close to the end, I took of the leash of her dog and let him walk around. He visited all these rooms of the people that were close. to the end….nurses were cool.
I cried.
Clay Millican:
Indy Got Intense In Qualifying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyDHTyF_-aE
Sleep it is.
The right to life is given to helpless animals, with no voice.
Humanity at its best.
PS, not every post has to start an argument.
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This photo was taken by a Turkish photographer when a goat gave birth to a baby on an icy mountain.
To save the life of the goat and the baby, a village girl (shepherdess) carried the mother on her shoulder and the girl’s dog saved the newborn goat by carrying her too.
This photo is a living example of humanity.
Perhaps it’s also a living example of mans inhumanity – this being Turkey, the baby goat was probably worth more than the girl.
This is about books, I have no idea how the picture came with it and the connection. I assume my friend made a mistake and I forgive him.
She looks great.
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9 Reasons Why Reading Books Should Be Part of Your Life:
1. Knowledge Highway: Books offer a vast reservoir of knowledge on virtually any topic imaginable. Dive deep into history, science, philosophy, or explore new hobbies and interests.
2. Enhanced Vocabulary: Regular reading exposes you to a wider range of vocabulary, improving your communication skills and comprehension.
3. Memory Boost: Studies suggest that reading can help sharpen your memory and cognitive function, keeping your mind active and engaged.
4. Stress Reduction: Curling up with a good book can be a form of mental escape, offering a temporary reprieve from daily anxieties and a chance to unwind.
5. Improved Focus and Concentration: In today’s fast-paced world filled with distractions, reading strengthens your ability to focus and concentrate for extended periods.
6. Empathy and Perspective: Stepping into the shoes of fictional characters allows you to develop empathy and gain a deeper understanding of different perspectives.
7. Enhanced Creativity: Reading exposes you to new ideas and thought processes, potentially sparking your own creativity and problem-solving skills.
8. Stronger Writing Skills: Immersing yourself in well-written prose can improve your writing style, sentence structure, and overall communication clarity.
9. Improved Sleep Quality: Swap screen time for a book before bed. The calming nature of reading can help you relax and unwind, promoting better sleep quality.
All good points, and yes, she looks perfect.
I cannot find one fault with any of the above – especially 2, 3, & 8.
I had to have a close look at the photo to see if it was AI generated, even to the point of counting the girls fingers.
I see those “Reasons Why Reading Books Should Be Part of Your Life” things on Fakebook every now and then.
They always have a cute girl attached. I suspect the whole thing is an excuse to post chick pics. Not complaining tho
John Spooner.
Mark Knight.
Peter Broelman.
Brett Lethbridge.
Morten Morland.
Michael Ramirez TDS.
Matt Margolis.
The Hamas flag as swimmers is a nice touch.
Tom Stiglich.
Ben Garrison.
Debate about nonsense on stilts having abated, I’ll throw in a report sourced from the BBC that this last English summer was the coolest since 2015.
Make of this what you will.
Sorry, I don’t know why this is out of the timeline
Growing up in County Durham Summer was any day it got warm enuf to take your jumper off .. LOL!
Ellie
September 2, 2024 11:14 pm
Why would they do it? Nobody deserve it at a time like this and hardly any other time except for one or two individuals.
I only uptick to compensate and annul the downticks calli receives or if I totally like a post.
Weird world we live in. What happened to scroll by?
Mate. It’s what it is. A down tick hurts, but yeah, there ya go. Power behind the computer screen.
Because some people are arseholes.
PS to my previous post.
I was a fervent advocate for the down tick function if the uptick was only available.
It didn’t work out as expected, those receiving it pay no attention.
They look at it as a badge of honor.
Emotional stuff.
Billy Elliot OST Pyotr Il’yich Tchaikovsky – Swan lake M/V#
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXl9TPrlyC8
I remember having to take a piss in Bris Vegas. All the staff from work said it was a gay bar I was going into.
I said I don’t care.
The funny thing was all the crowd giving me the looks and knowing I was straight upon eyesight.
Faarkin funny.
Shades of Police Academy?
I don’t think you could make that kind of fillum now.
Mark Dice in serious mode.
The Next Wave?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ws2tk4UDE
You now have to do a cultural heritage study before you fix a pothole in a road.
Qld government department under fire after cultural heritage study required for Bruce Highway reopening after major crash (Sky News, 2 Sep)
Ok, it would’ve been quite a large pothole, seeing it was scooped out by the detonation of a truckload of ammonium nitrate, but fair dinkum this stuff is getting ridiculous.
Sorry I call bullshit on the “required”, some busybody manager somewhere has interpreted it must be done wrongly.
We only do them when necessary, i.e on drill pads that haven’t been disturbed before.
As for access tracks feeding into drill pads or blazed in never seen it done, otherwise nothing would ever get done!
I’m really not surprised- it has long been a back-story getting inked in that all major railways, highways, and goat tracks went right on top of ancient First Nationses trade routes.
…. and along hundreds of km of birthing trees.
If you made this up it wouldn’t be believed.
The MSM are backing Hamas against Netanyahu.
Their support for a ceasefire is really aimed at damaging him.
The calls for hostage release are futile. Hamas knows that this tug of war favours them and damages Bibi, in fact divides Israel. They won’t release, won’t agree to ceasefire, won’t agree to anything. It is all working in their favour.
That’s what hostages are for.
I wonder if the demonstrators realise that if Bibi gives in to their demands they will receive their family back – dead. The first exchange, to my mind, was a feint to establish “reasonableness” in the minds of the world’s media.
And dooming future families to exactly the same torture they are experiencing right now. Anyone who settles near Gaza will never be safe.
Give in and more hostages and more demands.
Rinse and repeat.
Definition of insanity.
The mistake was not going in hard from the beginning .. all these concessions to media, USA ect whinings have in the end cost Israel dearly .. Immediate glassing would have shut the whingers down ..
To whinge, ya gotta have something to whinge about ……..
It’s a new day. A bit cooler here. Still numb. Not sure what feeeelings I should feel.
Who down ticks someone grieving? Anyhoo. Life eh
Knuckle and/or Sancho – power in the downtick
Come out and say what you feel, instead of down ticking
Ellie:
An arsehole, that’s who.
DB knows, but won’t tell.
I’d suggest a ban on general arseholery – first a written warning, then a public shaming.
Cold.
14 degrees Celsius here, on the verandah.
Not much frigging better in the office.
RF is heading back to Oz for a bit. Catching up. Minus Elsie (aka LC – little cat). She is a special girl. So happy you adopted her xx
13 degrees here in Paddington. Just closed the door. My 20 year old cat, Jimi, was put to sleep recently. I have a 19 year old left (Java). She is sprightly and has a few years left in her. I allow her to control my life. After Jimi died, I realised how much our cats control us. Yes, I am an official mad cat lady.
Nothing wrong with being a Mad Cat Lady – I like cats, but I like dogs too.
Ellie, just cat sitting for a year. I intended getting a dog but I’ll put it off until Roger get’s back home. My assumption is that he’ll be in the States until the coronation and the civil war.
🙂
Burning beamers.
BMW Recalls Mini Cooper SE Electric Cars Worldwide (2 Sep)
Not going inspire confidence amongst the punters, especially after that Mercedes EV burnt out a whole carpark last month.
If the whole Net Zero and its associated bullshit programs doesn’t cripple our entire manufacturing sector it will be a bloody miracle.
Inevitable.
The MSM are just as much Israel and the West’s enemy as are hamas.
If demonstrating dissent is protected under the US Constitution, and the right to a speedy trial is guaranteed, then:
Why was January 6 an issue; and
Why were some demonstrators held for very long periods without a trial?
Because the United States no longer exists, the Democrats and the left in general have destroyed it. It is now merely the North American continent.
Word from above.
Dutton will officially announce the scrapping of Bowen’s ‘Rewiring the Nation’ boondoggle today. That’s twenty billion the renewable grifters can’t get to seed finance if the coalition win.
About time too.
Had my life threatened last year by a parolee. I froze. Didn’t have the ability to press my duress. Now super hyper vigilant. It’s life. I chose a career that put me at risk. After 22 years at it, I no longer can do it. Community safety was always first and foremost. Gave it a good go.
Who down ticks that? I offend you? Ok
Ellie on this new format up and down ticks seem to toggle each other. You can end up getting a 0. If you are in positive territory that’s sometimes a bonus.
Mostly these ticks are meaningless.
I know your job was tough and that you were diligent working it. When it is time to retire, enjoy that too. Best of luck for a happy retirement.
We are indebted to you. Thank you.
Good Luck ..this govt protects the wrong sort of people.
Early start to the day – reading Gareth Russell’s biography of Elizabeth, the Queen Mother.
“The Queen Mother’s drinky -poo was late. Realizing that her footman Billy Tallon had become distracted in a quarrel with his on-again-off-again boyfriend and colleague, Reg Wilcox, the Queen Mother wafted towards the staircase to ask “Would one of you old queens mind getting this old queen a drink?” (Page 169.)
Jeffrey Tucker thinks macroeconomic statistics are been faked.
The Failure Of Economics Statistics (3 Sep)
We saw the lock that the Left has on the alphabet agencies, so why would they not also control the Fed and the Bureau of Labor Statistics? Then use that control to polish up Democrat election prospects.
And he doesn’t even mention the gigantic all powerful elephant in the room – climate change. The data has been grossly manipulated for decades in order to get the political outcomes they want.
It’s all about control. The powers that be have it and use it because they can. After all, what are we going to do about it?
Bruce O’Nuke:
The media and the powerful have constructed a chimera that we think is reality.
The US elections will return the Democrats as a reflection of this, and we will be none the wiser.
Pretty damn sad if you ask me, but then nobody is asking me – or you.
Questions loom as 7th Battalion move to Darwin confirmedAn Adelaide-based army unit has been told it is moving to Darwin, with some families already receiving posting orders. But questions remain as to who will command the new NT unit.
Should keep the local “First nations” mobs in line…
Nope they will get a fraction of the Battalion From what a mate has told me well over half the boys have said no f’ing way so are discharging, those that can’t are trying to transfer anywhere else like Brisbane and those boys with the mech qualifications are choosing Townsville instead or discharging. All round cock up by Marles in the name of cutting defence spending. Mate also says and the former Liberal Governments intent was that the heavy brigade should have been in Adelaide or built new premises at Port Augusta.
Besides this was announced last year so why is it news?
Just reading the NT News on-line, that’s all.
Doesn’t take much to get an online obit. these dayz …. FFS! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13803111/Struggle-Street-reality-TV-tragedy-Bob-Quinn-boyfriend-pregnant-bong-smoker-Billie-Jo-dies-suddenly.html
Comment, from the Australian.
Robert
1 day ago
3 Israeli police officers were killed in a Hebron shooting attack today
One had lost his daughter on October7
Why Israel hasn’t napalmed that shithole is beyond me.
If a firestorm and incineration was good enough for Hamburg and Tokyo, it’s good enough for Gaza.
FFS, sooner or later Israel has to inflict enough punishment on Islam to make it not worth the continued loss of innocent Israeli lives.
Why not now?
The Dictatorship of the Bureaucracy. “We will suck every ounce of fun and laughter out of your grey and miserable lives.”
Kevinm,
Hold onto your Tea and Sympathy for a few hours.
It will happen sometimes today.
Be patient. 😀
Ellie, condolences on the death of your father.
I can only give you one uptick to offset the arseholes.
Eyrie, the good people outvote the arseholes by about 50:1 on this site.
Feeling a little down? Here is a stat that I stumbled over yesterday that will help you to put your troubles into context.
‘For every day of WWII between sixteen and twenty thousand people lost their lives ‘.
Ignore that. Let’s worry about pronouns.
Media tart Mike Burgess courts the spotlight again:
Just get back to checking the movement alert list, Mike, and pray that none of the 3000 odd Gazans you’ve issued a security clearance to ever harms an Australian
Too hard to police?
@TheInsiderPaper
BREAKING – Brazil’s Supreme Court will no longer impose the $8,900 per day fine on Brazilians using VPNs to access X
Or maybe not
@shellenberger
I have deleted an earlier post about Brazil’s Supreme Court decision. I based it on the reporting of Jota, one of Brazil’s most respected legal publications. Jota, without explanation, deleted the paragraphs saying that Brazilians would not be fined for using X.
I suggest a seperate “Rights” thread.
The topic bores those not interested, and requires a lot of back and forth.
I for one would like to continue with it, as it is a personal irritation.
From the atrocious French Revolution, to the sissy Weimar Republic, to the idiot chick on the radio yesterday banging on about renters rights in the middle of the biggest rental and housing crisis the country has faced, an obsession with rights has brought little but death, confusion and blight.
Inculcate the youth with a sense of duty, right and wrong and mention in passing that these obligations and rules also mean there are times they have to stand up for themselves and avail themselves of such in our adversarial system, and job done.
I accept the need for discussion of the subject above, Arky. It’s an interesting intellectual argument, but for me the subject is over. My rights to life are paramount because without a life, I have nothing. A dead man has no right to speech, no right to refuse arbitrary search and detainment.
Which is why I want these rights:
And I want them written into an inalienable document. Otherwise I’m not prepared to support a society that refuses to support me.
…and I doubt that I’m alone in my convictions – look at the difficulty police and armed forces are now having recruiting.
Let’s say that those rights were written in as the basis of society, say, in the constitution Winston.
And taught in the schools.
And lectured upon in the Universities.
You still depend upon other people to observe those rights with respect to you.
And over and over again, people don’t.
So the question goes back to the original point.
Who is more likely to observe the rules and laws of society towards you:
A person who has since birth been indoctrinated with a sense of rights and entitlements, or a person raised to not only have a sense of duty, but to feel shame and opprobrium if they fail to do so?
Or in the worst case scenario, of the one or two percent of the population who are soulless vermin, at least they understand that the world they live in consists of people who will insist they fulfil their obligations, and there will be f*cking severe consequences if they fail to do so.
They are seriously looking at overthrowing the Constitution. I’ve seen this mentioned in several places.
Elon Musk slams New York Times writer for calling the Constitution ‘dangerous’
They haven’t exactly been using it either.
Of course it is dangerous to the liars, cheats and leftie dictators.
What? Is the NYT calling for an “insurrection” to overthrow the Constitution? Oh, the horror, the horror!
Because their chances of radical change legally are at best minimal.
Didn’t the father have a cwiminal wecord?
Word from above.
Any word on whether or not the windmills and solar panels get speared as well?
Via Instapundit a week ago:
https://mindsetshifts.substack.com/p/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek?publication_id=287491&post_id=148059685&isFreemail=true&r=9bg2k&triedRedirect=true
Hello…
Plibersek getting defensive.
Now suggesting that farmers objected to the tailings dam.
And so the story changes.
Farmers are objecting to wind farms and solar farms as well, Tanya.
And transmission lines.
Bush
No transmission no projects.
They’re getting desperate. TCV just upped the money offered to my neighbour to a hundred grand just to get on his property to do survey work for an EES. They started at thirty.
Tell them to add two noughts.
You mean to say some rights do exist?
I’ll pass on the separate thread as I consider my job done.
What do you mean by “exist”?
And how by stating that in a system of rules and law there are times it is correct to avail yourself of the rule of law, that is the same as stating that we should base that system on “rights” as is the current situation.
These things aren’t the same.
Bentham said it best
This is a fascinating arm wrestle between Elon and the Brazilian fascists. Looks he’s banking on the vast popularity of X-twitter and Starlink to crack the resolve of the fascists, and it sounds like some big beasts might’ve just had a tiny word in Lord Voldemort’s ear.
Elon is staying the course, not least because he has advice that he’d be breaking Brazilian law if he acceeded to their demands.
Brazil Supreme Court Upholds X Suspension; Starlink Disobeys (2 Sep)
VPNs are about to become very popular in Brazil…
It would seem they need to conjure up some local spirits of the dead.
Unfortunately Roger, the indigenous magic is part of the Vic government’s plan with land access for transmission. Once they get onto your property the indigenous heritage is part of the survey. You then have these people on your private land finding god knows what. You could lose large sections of property to the spirits or have your farming practises severely restricted.
I know it’s no joking matter, Gez.
This stuff has been imported wholesale from Canada.
I’m remembering the fury of a Canadian tour guide, officially rebuked for referring to “Indians” and not “First Nations.”
I’m remembering applying for a Government grant to fence off, and re vegetate salt affected land, on the family property. We were advised that our application would be aided if we had the permission of the “traditional owners ” of the land.
Inquiries revealed that the “traditional owners” lived some hundreds of kilometers away, and had never set foot on the property in their lives….
The organisations Mr. Knight represents might be deserving of support, Cats.
If the unis get less money, that’s a bonus. They need to be Rabzed anyway.
Jo Nova takin da piss out of the looney Climate Pod People again.
Climate Science goes full-bore witchcraft: Your beefsteak makes bridges fall like Tinker-Toys
Every time Labor gets in. Every single time.
Illegal boat carrying 74 people to Australia turned back (Tele, paywalled)
750 Palestinians ‘have applied for asylum’ (Paywallian)
And they’ll all get it too, betcha.
Labor is building it’s voting base!
Yesterday morning I made a follow-up from my op appointment at the medicare harvesters I used to get my specialist referal .. Between then (9.30am) and my appointment this morning (9.00am) they sent me 8 text msgs reminding me I had an appointment .. FFS!
Say a family of refugees with no idea how Australian society functions get housed next door to you.
And the government and various “charities” provide services and advice to this family. With daily contact.
From what basis do you wish these people to describe to that family their relationship to you, their new neighbour?
A constant stream of information on their rights and entitlements, or one which describes a system of reciprocal obligations mediated by laws, rules and long held conventions?
Obviously there are two sides to the coin.
Rules imply rights and obligations.
If one were to leave out one side of the coin, either not mention the obligations, or not mention the “rights”, in which case would society still function?
Therefore, with children, for example, which should be stressed?
My view is such a family should not be settled here.
There is no right to settlement in Australia and therefore we have no duty to allow them in at great cost to the already burdened taxpayer.
What they are taught, it seems, is that the Laws, Rules and Obligations are from a bowl which can be cherry picked. Which is how we get honour killings hand in hand with the Right To Welfare and Right to Not Work.
I’m not untangling them. I’m trying to get you to recognize that speaking, dissenting, etc. and the right to do those things are not the same thing just as living and securing that right to life are not the same thing. How can you miss this when I say, to repeat:
The thing is, as I’ve repeatedly said, you already have life, property and expression. The movement here is not from not having them at all to having them in full, it’s from having them insecurely at least as a matter of law, to having them securely; that is what a legal regime achieves.
How can you repeatedly miss this?
These are legal immigrants, just to be clear.
The welfare! The welfare. That’s the attraction. That’s the sugar. Why are soany illegals crossing the channel? The welfare.
Say a family of refugees with no idea how Australian society functions get housed next door to you.
And the government and various “charities” provide services and advice to this family. With daily contact.
As someone who lives in a “houso” estate where this is a common occurence this contact is not only dun daily/weekly ect but continues on for years with no obligations on the part of the “refugees” to do anything .. I’ve “neighbours” from the Vietcong boat folk era .. never worked, never learnt English but no probs getting gummint “help” whenever …………
My view is such a family should not be settled here.
There is no right to settlement in Australia and therefore we have no duty to allow them in and support them at great cost to the already over-burdened taxpayer. We should also withdraw from the Refugee Convention. It’s not 1951 anymore.
But international law says they have the right.
Now given that it occurs, imagine it has occurred in the case I outlined, and answer the questions I posed.
No, it doesn’t.
You’re setting up a straw man.
My only obligation in regard to answering your question is to point out its fallacious basis.
You don’t have to answer and we both know why you won’t.
Because you know very well it’s precisely that sort of advice from governments and non government services, and you know the logical answer is that you would prefer they were advised more about their obligations than their rights.
Arky, it appears you’re snarling at a supporter. No matter your frustration, look around you and see the frustration of your fellow citizen who is being punished by an unrepresentative government. A government which, if you looked at it, is expertly pitting us against each other.
https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/rights-and-freedoms/publications/asylum-seekers-and-refugees#rights
No, I didn’t. I said, The criticism [rights talk without a discussion of their ends] would have been valid before these decisions, they simply illustrated the problem.
I never said you didn’t. Still, it’s circular to say that the end of X right is Y right and so on. Moreover, the ends I’m talking about are substantive. The end of free speech isn’t the right to association, it’s to the pursuit and attainment of truth and knowledge and their dissemination.
I said I’m not a fan of rights talk.
Car news.
Burt Reynolds’ personal Pontiac Trans Am is up for auction (2 Sep)
It’s not the Smoky and the Bandit Trans Am but is a very nice beast indeed. On the other hand I suspect it will go for a very tidy sum, so you might want something cheaper…
‘Temu Lambo’ exposed as fake (News.com.au, 2 Sep)
Someone has spent a lot of effort to turn a Holden Monaro into a bright yellow fake Lamborghini. Not a fraud because the asking price would be just a tad higher. So I suspect it is a labour of love.
If the Democrats continue on their current trajectory, does anyone believe the fact that “rights” are written into the constitution will stop them from dismantling society and remaking it in their sick image? Or at least creating havoc in their attempt to do so?
Of course not. Like all Communists, they believe it is their right and duty to remove all impediments to their Radiant Future.
Legally if they can, violently if they can’t. The only argument they have is at what point they start the violence.
First response
Lets hope that’s what it means.
This article might as well have come from Australia but is from Britain. It explains why wind and solar will never work and why the cost of electricity goes up the more of these are added to the system.It may be a bit technical for some, myself included, but is worth reading for the substance of what is being said and the conclusion.Interestingly they also had the equivalent of a Gencost report which also misrepresented (lied about) the full costs of renewable energy.
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/09/02/the-graphs-that-prove-labour-is-lying-that-renewable-energy-will-cut-bills/
Roger
September 3, 2024 10:26 am
Now I gave your arguments good enough faith to read the C.S. Lewis reference you gave (in fact I read it twice last night), and posted a link to it here.
(C.S. Lewis agrees with me)
Did you read the much shorter work I referenced for you?
What did you conclude?
Sincere condolences Ellie on the death of your father. May he rest in peace.
BoN at 0756 made a reference to Covid statistics and quoted
“We came to realize that much of what we were being told was accurate was in fact complete gibberish”.
I am by no means a stats or maths guy. However I do seek information from multiple sources. It was obvious already in 2020 that things were not as we were being told. I have seen many who did not take the Vax mention the fact that it was mainly the elderly dying with multiple comorbidities that they picked up on. For example the cruise ship in Yokohama where thousands were confined on the ship but only several died and it was the elderly.
For me it was two stories from US early on. One was a Colorado county coroner complaining that a recent change in CDC death counting meant he had to count a homicide then suicide by gun as Covid deaths. The other was a survey by Minnesota state Senator Dr Scott Jensen who looked into 800 so called Covid deaths in MN. Included Covid deaths due to traffic accident followed by downing and other obviously non Covid issues.
In the states the problem was there were massive financial incentives for hospitals to count admissions and deaths as Covid. Saw a hospital admissions lady talking about it and how they would admit somebody with multiple gunshots as a Covid patient.
Australia was behind the USA but the stats here were also BS. I remember an article in Courier Mail about modelling what would happen when Qld opened border to NSW in December 2021. The modelling was done just before Omicron started. It said Qld would have 2000 cases in first 90 days with 150 deaths. In reality by that time we had 7 deaths from 2000 cases in just under 2 years. The modelling was predicting a 7% death rate. I looked up elsewhere and that was double highest rate overseas. I made a fairly basic comment online that such a death rate had not been seen elsewhere so naturally comment not approved.
My favourite was in February 2021 when the CHO Qld, an actual virus expert (even went to Yokohama cruise ship to help) did a random street testing on Gold Coast. This was after border had been opened and Omicron was everywhere. Found 20 cases but only 2 even knew they had any symptoms. He then said he thought 1/3 of Qld had already been infected. That would be about 1.8 million. I still have the Courier Mail articles.
However at the time the official stats were 450,000. Naturally the so called journalists did not pick up on the fact that meant the hospital admissions and death rates were far less than official stats indicated.
Regarding stats NSW maintained good stats and many will recall much comment on them. However TAS was surprisingly the only state where I could see a breakdown of people admitted for Covid as opposed to being tested and then found to have Covid. Their stats showed only 40% of patients counted as Covid were admitted for Covid. Combine with CHO Qld saying he believed 4 X as many people had Covid and you can see how far out the stats would be. Even CHO NSW admitted they were counting admitted people if they had had Covid in past 30 days prior to admission.
I remember reading articles in Daily Telegraph/Herald Sun where they would have the stats for NSW and VIC. Comparing number of deaths to cases VIC frequently had almost a double rate of death . This was when borders open. The only logical conclusion was that a different method of counting was being used.
Then you had WA where they closed off border and had hardly any cases. Yet somehow they had excess deaths soon after Vax started. This has been well covered by independent journalist Rebekah Barnett via her Substack and her Twitter (Dystopian Down Under).
One of the most glaring stats was the average age of dying “with’ was about normal and of course included multiple comorbidities. You rarely saw a CHO mention this because once Vax was introduced that might alert younger people to fact Covid very little risk to them. In multiple online News Corp articles about CHO information on Covid deaths I would see others like me asking how old and how many comorbidities. Yet the media was never really interested.
I won’t even get into the myocarditis and other issues after the Vax. The signals were obvious early on and I was first aware of heart issues in young males from watching an Israeli research Dr in mid 2021. 16 X normal rate of myocarditis on males under 30.
Even now Courier Mail has never mentioned the class action against Covid injuries being led by Qld double jabbed Dr Melissa McCann. Likewise no coverage of Vaccine Injury compensation scheme.
Everything, as per what RFK Jr said recently, was designed to get people to take the Vax. Did you ever see media question a CHO on why they banned safe treatments such as Ivermectin and Hydroxy chloroquine which were already FDA / TGA approved. As RFK Jr said the emergency use approval could not be used if there was a drug khown to work.
The problem has been the great majority of the journalists were just taking dictation and happy to go along with the vaccine narrative and not raise obvious questions. Probably due to being suppressed by their editors. Senator Rennick has mentioned journalists telling him they wanted to report injuries cases but editors would not let them.
When you see a Health Minister or CHO talk about misinformation always remember how they misled us in order to direct us down the one way road of vaccines. Also remember the dissenting views were silenced and labelled anti vaxxers no matter how qualified (ie. Drs Robert Clancy and Phillip Altman).
This amongst many other reasons is why could never have a proper Royal Commission.
Zero confidence in health leaders based on last 4 years.
If people on a right of centre site can’t accept the importance of emphasising duties and responsibilities over rights and obligations, imagine what an unmitigated complete zoo the left presents.
No wonder more and more the politics of the left represents the unrestrained exercise of power.
Labor kills free to air TV.
Labor to ban online gambling advertising and partially prohibit its promotion on TV in major reforms to hit Cabinet (Sky News, 3 Aug)
I wonder what TV CEOs think of the ALP cutting them off at the knees? Especially when the MSM carries water for the Left endlessly. Perhaps they should switch to supporting the Right instead?
(Ok online gambling sites are really nasty, but it’s fun that Labor is betraying their own most enthusiastic supporters by banning all that ad money.)
Kills the Free to air anyway, where they gonna supplement their income, just gonna be sucking harder on the government teat. Unless they bring back cigarette adverts, the were some of the best.
Arky, rights in any legal order are reflected in duties. They are simply two ways of looking at the same thing. What you should be emphasizing are the goods we enjoy those rights/ perform those duties for. Chinese proverb: When a wise man points at the moon, the fool examines the finger.
No, they aren’t.
And it matters which people internalise as most important.
People can neglect their rights and mostly only they get hurt.
But if a person in a responsible position ignores their duties it can literally kill thousands.
And at that point, that their “rights” were written down somewhere doesn’t matter one iota.
That doesn’t mean that the duty and the right here weren’t related as argued. The argument, here, that X was duty-bound to perform Y lest A,B, and C are harmed or killed, is from the point of view of A, B, and C is simply that they have the right to X performing Y.
There are many cases where people are required, indeed where it would be good for they themselves, to fulfil duties where there is no corresponding legal right.
At the very least, rights and duties are not a one to one correspondence.
Duties can and have existed without rights, and rights have existed absent a direct, one to one duty.
Such as? I don’t mean to argue that there are none, but the nature of rights and duties will make them the exception.
News.com running another bulls&%$ beat up about FIFO workers and discriminated womyns:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/mining/horrifying-27yearold-reveals-scary-truth-about-mining-industry/news-story/edad6c22c79511ce000787679a2d66c8
One wonders if a CFMEU smoke screen to their own woes.
How many of these women decided they’d snare a husband in an area where there was little competition and the personal payoff for them was huge?
Now I’m not saying that’s always the case, but certainly the question can be asked.
Supplementary question: How many Nurses took on that job knowing the odds of getting a Doctor husband were much better?
The husband catching job can be better odds, but if there’s two or three in one place looking to hook one of the scores, the game can get quite nasty and some are just not up to it.
“Labor kills free to air TV”.
Unfortunately this would be very good for the ABC and those such as Greens, Teals, Pocock and Labor who benefit from their bias.
FTA has a similar bias, but a very much larger audience.
Fair dinkum ramirez is sick in the head with TDS. Trump was invited to that wreath ceremony by the families of the 13 marines killed when the old pervert withdrew from afghanistan; and the old pervert was caught looking at his watch when their bodies were being unloaded. Neither the old pervert or cackles went to the wreath laying as has been claimed by NBC. The families of the dead marines have come out to defend Trump but the sick msm has not covered that.
Are you in this sentence describing
If it’s
1. How do account for judges imprisoning anyone associated with Trump on any pretext, for example?
2, How do you explain the existence of legal orders that have examples of rights but no duties, such as a medieval lord granted the right to roger the local peasant women?
If I ever have the misfortune to have to visit a Victorian Library, I will make sure I am wearing this.
Good summary of the upcoming merchan and the fat, black kunt, chutkan’s judgments in the Trump lawfare cases:
As Campaign Enters Home Stretch, Trump Remains Bound and Gagged by Democratic Lawfare (declassified.live)
Good conclusion:
Trump has been forcibly gagged by the corrupt courts. Harris, meanwhile, operates under a voluntary gag order
Bourne
That’s good Bourne.
But you can’t stop there. You need to take this to its logical conclusion which is that *all* epidemiological beliefs that people have ever held through history are nonsense.
Whenever doctors *believe* (rightly or wrongly) that X leads to Y then, from that point on, they will usually diagnose Y when they see X (even when they don’t see the symptoms of Y) and they will usually refuse to diagnose Y when they don’t see X (even if they see the symptoms of Y). So the statistical data will practically always “prove” that doctors are correct in their beliefs even when they’re hopelessly wrong.
In short, epidemiology is circular horseshit. So:
vaccines didn’t work – diseases just got renamed.
the Black Death had virtually nothing to do with bubonic plague (and by extension rats and fleas) – doctors just blamed the plague for every death caused by their treatments and the people’s suicidal behaviours
malaria is not caused by mosquitoes and has not been eradicated outside the tropics – malaria and flu are in fact interchangeable (ie they are just generic symptoms of inflammation) and
lung cancer is not caused by smoking and it did not increase in the 20th century (it just replaced dx of TB).
You can typically use incidental data but you can never use direct data. For example you can use rates of paralysis to determine if the polio vaccine worked but you *cannot* use rates of polio – paralysis diagnoses are not dependent on polio vaccination whereas polio diagnoses are.
Of course, whilst this concept should actually be pretty simple for most to understand, very few people want to understand it because the ramifications are enormous.
Figures, you are an idiot.
Do you have an actual counterargument?
Do doctors use prior beliefs when making their ddx?
If so, how is what I say incorrect?
If not, what on earth is a ddx?
My counterargument is to ignore you and your febrile rantings.
“But here I only want someone, anyone, to point out the purpose of all this rights talk we have been subjected to and programmed with our entire lives, if the same outcomes could be achieved by insisting people observe their duties and responsibilities.”
It is much easier to get people to fight for their right(s) than it is to get them to fight for their duty – for the obvious reason that a “right” is something you get, whereas a “duty” is something you give.
So that, if you want “grassroots support”, speak of rights, not duties, and you will get more support.
Precisely.
The chief argument for a rights based approach is efficiency.
But I would counter that while good people might at first like to hear about their rights, once they are presented with an argument for embracing their responsibilities, they prefer that.
Good people want their responsibilities.
They want that meaning and weight.
Supernatural Biden news (the Hun):
Notably, the guiding hand of a giant Easter Bunny was not present to assist Joe in speaking to the dead.
Avi:
Violent Covid-cops finally GET SMASHED in court
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgwo49wKMVY
Don’t blame me people, I suggested a seperate thread.
I think we are confusing two seperate things.
Transactions under the rule of law, and universal rights, which are claimed to apply regardless of the actions of the individual.
For example, saying that rights and duties are two sides of the same coin applies for the sale of an item. You give me money, we agreed you now have the rights over the property, one transaction, two sides.
But with universal rights, there is no other side, or at the very least, those preaching them never further expand on what they might be.
The “free Palestine” protestors marching the streets yelling their heads off are sure they are exercising their rights, but oblivious to what the corresponding obligations to others might be. The professor who told them their rights to protest and put them up to it never explained that the right to freely express your political opinion implies a corresponding duty to honest inquiry of the issues of the day and giving all sides a fair hearing. Or that freedoms given have corresponding obligations to defend: those upon which the freedoms are founded.
Given that these freedoms are taken to exist by the majority of those exercising them as regardless of the actions of the individuals invoking them, they can’t be said to be two sides of a coin of which the other side is a duty.
I’m so happy Clay won this event. Stoked.
Faark yeah!
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Clay Millican gets his first U.S. Nationals win.
In Top Fuel, Clay Millican was also a first-time winner at the prestigious U.S. Nationals, defeating four-time world champion Steve Torrence in the final round with a run of 3.792 at 327.82 in his 11,000-horsepower Arby’s/Parts Plus dragster. Millican struggled in qualifying, entering raceday in the No. 13 spot, but made major improvements when it counted, including a 3.695 at 333.74 to defeat Antron Brown in the first round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LsewjdIrEY
Higgins ‘attacks’ on Reynolds ‘built on litany of lies’
Linda Reynolds has arrived at the WA Supreme Court as her lawyer began his closing address in the blockbuster defamation action against Brittany Higgins.
Senator Reynolds has not been seen in the court since she gave her evidence last month, but has now taken a seat behind her legal team as Martin Bennett addresses the court.
Mr Bennet said the “attacks” on Senator Reynolds by Ms Higgins were unwarranted and unprovoked and were built on a “litany of lies”.
He said the transcript of the lengthy interview between Ms Higgins, her now-husband David Sharaz and Network 10’s Lisa Wilkinson in the lead-up to Ms Higgins’ 2021 appearance on The Project showed the “visceral hatred” Ms Higgins had for Senator Reynolds.
Britt’s in Perth? I’ll keep an eye out.
Both and 2. never existed. Also, feudalism exhibits rights and duties in all manner of ways. The duty of the tenant to provide a portion of his labours to his lord is balanced by his right to the use of a parcel of land, a dwelling, and so on.
Both and 2. never existed.
Slavery and servitude never existed?
People with duties but no corresponding rights never existed under laws?
One might enquire as to if the celts murdered in the Roman arenas under Roman laws were volunteers?
I’m saying that prima nocta never existed.
There’s nothing to miss as I believe you have no idea what you’re talking about.
How do you untangle expression, dissent and association other than by applying some footloose verbiage to somehow demonstrate they aren’t connected? It’s impossible to separate those three things because they are so interconnected. Expressing an idea involves conveying those ideas to other people – either orally, in written form, or in a group setting. That is, unless you’re really suggesting it also means going in front of a mirror and talking to oneself. Surely not!
Attempting to separate these things it is an attempt at over-simplification in the extreme in terms of how they function. The right to free expression doesn’t mean isolated speech, it also has to protect the right to assembly in order to convey ideas.
Their connected relationship is precisely why it is difficult to untangle them.
“The professor who told them their rights to protest and put them up to it never explained that the right to freely express your political opinion implies a corresponding duty…”
Bingo.
It’s not that rights or duties are “better” (pick one), but rather that each only exists hand-in-hand with the other. My right to speak my opinion only exists while you have the same right, ergo it is everyone’s duty to ensure the right to speak of everyone else, even those with whom you violently disagree.
As a famous man once said: “Free speech is hard. Free speech is standing up for the right of a man to speak – a man whose ideas make your blood boil, a man who is advocating at the top of his voice that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.”
You will note that the same applies to all rights – even the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Because they apply to all, they apply even when you would prefer that they did not – they must, else they be stripped from you for any reason that takes the fancy of those in power. And it is your duty to defend thee rights as they apply to others even more than when they apply to you.
You also kept mentioning “goods”. Billeting and the right to arms are “goods”? Expression is somehow connected to goods?
Sure, we have to answer the draft, pay taxes, and follow laws to keep the peace. But beyond that, what duties do we really owe to others (strangers)?
Duties can turn into a rabbit hole of endless insanity.
We might be legally obligated to do certain things, but what actual duty do we have to feed, clothe, or shelter a stranger? What about our responsibilities to Aboriginal communities? As long as I’m not putting someone’s life in danger, I don’t see why I have a duty to any random person.
And why should anyone feel obligated to help a poor Australian—who, let’s be honest, might be more likely to need a treadmill than a meal—over a starving kid in Mali? Is the moral obligation there just because the Aussie’s a fellow citizen? I’m not sold on this whole ‘duties’ idea.
Gotta hand it too these rusted on union bosses when it comes to survival .. This one was named and shamed during the Craig Thompson/Kathy Jackson fraud(s) but, apparently, not only survived but thrived when it comes to union money fiddling …….. https://www.examiner.com.au/story/8751217/criminal-charges-on-the-cards-for-health-union-boss/
Slavery and servitude never existed?
People with duties but no corresponding rights never existed under laws?
One might enquire as to if the celts murdered in the Roman arenas under Roman laws were volunteers
I simply had in mind the legal reasoning in tort law re a duty of care. There doesn’t need to be a transaction between the person harmed and the person that caused the harm. There just needs to be a determination that the harm that occurred was reasonably foreseeable if the defendant performed an action.
Back in July, the first hurricane hit the Gulf/Atlantic tropics for the summer. The Gerbalists were doing cartwheels because, to them, this was suggesting a big storm season, which they could then wrap around hyped-up alarmism.
And now, there hasn’t been any major storm activity and a hugely reduced number of storms this season, and we end up with two things.
No storm activity also means gerbil warming, and it’s those desert rains.
As I’ve previously pointed out – duties can multiply beyond what is reasonable just as rights can.
The second table of the ten commandments sums up our duties towards others:
Note that “love” here is not an emotion but an action: “working no ill” to the neighbour or the stranger, This also implies positive action, i.e. do not kill also requires that, to the exent that we can, we assist a person whose life is in peril. Do not steal also implies that if we happen upon stolen property we attempt to return it to its owner. And so on.
Beyond this we are entering into the area of charity, not duty, and charity cannot be commanded (contra socialism!).
From history and experience, which is more likely in a democracy to happen:
“Rights” morph into entitlements.
or
Duties become servitude?
“This one was named and shamed during the Craig Thompson/Kathy Jackson fraud(s) but, apparently, not only survived but thrived when it comes to union money fiddling”
Let’s not forget those two were taught by the best of them. Former HSU and Labor Party National President Mike Williamson who got several years in prison for defrauding his Union funds. The amount was $20 million and there is no way his fellow committee members could not have known. He had been President for 20 years and had family members involved in running the Union.
Problem is in some Unions the leadership can’t be challenged and this provides the atmosphere for corruption.
I’m not asking you to untangle expression, dissent and association. I’ll reduce the number of things included in the sentence to make this easier and less prone to misunderstanding: I’m trying to get you to recognize that speaking…and the right to speak…are not the same thing….as I’ve repeatedly said, you already have…[the ability to speak]. The movement here is not from not being [able to speak] at all to having it in full, it’s from having [speech] insecurely at least as a matter of law, to having them securely. And you begin securing the most basic, life, and move up the hierarchy.
Look at the development of any human community. The focus is firstly on securing their lives from predators, rival human groups, the elements, etc. They will also want to provide themselves with sufficient food for sustenance. Having secured the basics they will then move up the hierarchy. Same is true of a family on a budget, health, food, and shelter are the priorities, and what little may be saved is spent on books, fashionable clothing, entertainment. Again, this is just obvious.
The two go hand in hand.
Entitlements have to be funded, therefore, as they multiply, the taxpayer effectively becomes a servant.
How many days in a 10 day fortnight does the productive citizen now have to work to fulfil his obligations to the Canberra Leviathan as a taxpayer? Around four for most, I’d suggest, and it’s rising, not falling, seemingly inexorably.
This is why we need small and preferably decentralised government.
Another topic.
The problem you just described comes from the misguided spread of rights.
That’s the point.
No one comes to the citizens and says “Lucky you, we have given you more duties as a matter of principle, later on we can decide how to spend it”.
They come to the citizens and say “This is your right”. Without explaining the subsequent burden.
That’s the problem with putting an emphasis on rights above duties, especially when one wing of politics wants to expand them into entitlements in return for votes.
You’re not exactly admitting that you erred there. But on this, no, they aren’t goods but they point to goods. Billeting a soldier would be a part of the defense of the nation. The good here is defense of the nation. In right to bear arms, the good would be self-defense, hunting, and the like.
“Did I say you wanted me to? Nah, that’s just wishful thinking on your part. Asking how to untangle those three was rhetorical—while quizzing you on why they’re different. But hey, A+ for effort!”
This was all about how expression, dissent, and association are tangled together. How you ended up on a tangent about life and security is a mystery!
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LION CHALLENGE – Capturing the Perfect Moment | The Lion Whisperer
Artist Carla Grace visits Kevin at the Sanctuary and they undertake a challenge, to capture a perfect moment with Vayetse to turn into a work of art. Watch to the end to see how it turns out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs1dtQ1j7zY
during the covid travesty in Melbourne it wasn’t people exercising their legal rights who put it up the bastards, it was men willing to go out in spite of the laws and face jail.
How much less worse things were than they could have been because some rely on a bloody minded sense of duty and not their rights, put level of fear into the pricks, we will never know for sure.
For the past 20 years, at least on blogs like this one, ‘goods’ has been (obviously) understood as objects like chattels etc. And you’re aware of this too. If you’re going to apply some new definition to a word or a term, it would be a really good idea to say so. Otherwise, the erring or the lack of general clarity is on you, not me. Nice try, though.
sounds like you need to read more widely, JC
…and on the other side it was coppers and politicians with no understanding of their actual duty who caused the shit to begin with
“Sure, we have to answer the draft, pay taxes, and follow laws to keep the peace. But beyond that, what duties do we really owe to others (strangers)?”
You owe to others (even strangers) that which you claim as a right for yourself. If you claim the right to free speech, then it is your duty to uphold that right for others – at least, as much as you may.
As in: “They came for the Gypsies and I said nothing because I was not a Gypsy… Then they came for me and there was no-one left to speak for me.”
That is to say: it is in your own best interest to support the rights you yourself hold dear when they are threatened in others. It is not absolute (we do not expect you to give up your life to protect the right of others to speak, for example), and it is not even particularly onerous in most cases (and certainly not when sufficient numbers also support it), but it is your duty never the less, even when the person whose rights you are supporting is, errr, less than spectacularly endowed with knowledge and common sense let us say (that is, you disagree with them!)
Other than that, I would say it is your duty to act honestly, openly and honorably with others when you interact with them – even if you have never seen them before and will never see them again; that you show compassion and charity within your means to those less fortunate than yourself; that you take care of those dear to you; and that you forgive the errors of others when they ask it of you.
And while this may seem to you to be a Christian outlook on life – and I admit that it most certainly is – that is not the reason you should act these ways. Rather, the reason you should act so is that history shows that societies that practice such ways are more successful than those that do not – and since you are part of a society, then making it the best you can is in your own interest.
Left-Wing UK Government Suspends Dozens of Arms Export Licences to Israel
Brittany Higgins lists French home for sale as legal bills mountBrittany Higgins has put her French home up for sale as another expensive legal chapter in her ongoing saga wraps up.
From the Hun. Don’t you just feel so sorry,, for the lady? Naah, me neither.
Why Did Zuckerberg Choose Now to Confess?
Indolent, my bet is he’s heard of a massive lawsuit headed his way – one big enough to threaten his company’s survival.
Just a thought.
I’m pretty sure we knew this at the time. I can remember reports of Obama’s crew laughing at their fake slogan of “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor”.
Obamacare is one of the biggest examples of false advertising in history. In 2010, Democrats passed the “Affordable Care Act.” But on July 17, 2024, CBS News reported, “Americans spend more on health care than any other nation. Yet almost half can’t afford care.”
If the COVID shots are so safe, then why have over 80% of NHS employees refused to take another booster?
What else have they got?
Report: Kamala Harris to Prioritize Attacks on Trump Rather than ‘Substance’ During Debate
I read somewhere today that all good persons should be up to Covid booster number ten (10). I do hope Dr Fauci is up to date.
Joe Biden Has Gotten Worse Since He Dropped out of 2024 Race – Heavily Slurs at Labor Day Campaign Event with Kamala
Well,
at least it’s an Oakeshott-free day at the Cat today.
DAMMIT!
My first comment on this on the OOT was: If you had no right to life, and thus were denied the protection of the law from physical attack, the least of your worries is whether you enjoyed the right of free expression.
So its clearly an argument about the order of priority: does securing life comes before securing free expression? And its clear from Roger’s comment, I’d argue that arrogating the right to life is more morally significant, that this was plainly about the order of priority too.
MATT GOODWIN: Stop Blaming Nigel Farage – It’s the Elite Class That’s Failed Britain!
Listen to this. It’s beyond belief. Literally, the old Soviet Union.
UK journalist under house arrest on terrorism charges
Kneel
There’s not much I disagree with, but those shouldn’t referred to as duties.
They’re:
Principles of mutual respect and reciprocity.
Ethical behavior.
Duties are something else.
The problem is that if we begin to talk about duties, it allows all sorts of festering sores and bullshit to be included.
The Brittany Blob rolls on. Seems everyone’s house is on the line. You suspect another court case will be required to get access to Britt’s protective trust, assuming Reynolds gets up in WA. Litigation isn’t for the feint hearted.
‘Faint’ I think.
OTOH, a good litigator does need to feint.
Patrick Christys MOCKS Angela Rayner for Islamophobia definition row: ‘They may be EXTREMISTS!’
DAMMIT!
That is what all the beavers say.
since when do beavers talk?
Oh that sort of beaver. My bad.
Sorry, but it’s hardly a new or novel usage of goods, and I’ve used it in the past, not merely yesterday and today, and I dare say others on this blog have used the term in this way here too. And the sense in which it was being used was pretty clear from what was being said. Moreover, I wasn’t saying you erred re goods, I said you erred re rights talk.
It’s been perfectly clear that you meant “a good” not “goods”.
The German Right Rises
We’ve had an long discussion on free expression, dissent, and association. The conversation you had with Roger is irrelevant to this part of things. Introducing off-topic points to a discussion that’s supposed to focus on how expression, dissent, and association interconnect, especially when you’re arguing they’re distinct, only serves to obfuscate or derail the argument. Nice try, but it doesn’t change the focus of the thread.
Nice try, but your attempt to brush this off is weak. If you’re suddenly redefining ‘goods,’ you should have clarified that from the start. Otherwise, any misunderstanding is on you. Spare me the misdirection; it’s not convincing.
“Bushwalkers” in Tasmania get rescued from Hobart’s Mt Wellington:
Conditions on Mt Wellington were extreme on Monday evening with subzero temperatures and gusts of up to 109km/h.
The temperature at 6.30pm was -3C with a wind chill factor making it feel like -22.6C.
Their major problem though:
Emergency services were alerted to a group of 13 people calling for help at kunanyi/Mt Wellington about 4.15pm.
Always be aware of Triskaidekaphobia. Also silly alternative names with no capital letter cos special language.
Another five were spotted and taken back down as well.
Play silly games….
I got turned around by snow on Mt Wellington on the bike on New Years Day one year. About 6cm of snow by the side of the road the following day. Not happy when you’re in summer riding gear.
Reply to Roger
The problem you just described comes from the misguided spread of rights.
That’s the point.
No one comes to the citizens and says “Lucky you, we have given you more duties as a matter of principle, later on we can decide how to spend it”.
They come to the citizens and say “This is your right”. Without explaining the subsequent burden.
That’s the problem with putting an emphasis on rights above duties, especially when one wing of politics wants to expand them into entitlements in return for votes
“There’s not much I disagree with, but those shouldn’t referred to as duties.
They’re:
Principles of mutual respect and reciprocity.
Ethical behavior.
Duties are something else.”
Your duty is that which you are obliged to do or should do, even when it is not in your immediate best interests to do.
Respect, reciprocity and ethical behavior are all “that which you should do” and do not always result in immediate outcomes to your own benefit.
If I do not call these duties, then what are they other than their own self-named behaviors? Calling them, for example, guidelines might be true, but that does not indicate that they are NOT in your own immediate best interest as “duty” does. Precision matters.
“Duties” might be “that which is distasteful but required” – but is not charity, the giving of that which you have earned to others who did not earn it, at least somewhat distasteful? Ditto respect to those you feel do not deserve it?
No JC, these ARE duties – they are things you would rather not do, at least in some times and under some circumstances, but do anyway because you believe that in the end, they are worthwhile, and because, perhaps, you were the beneficiary of similar things done by others in the past. Or even that the tables may be turned and you will be the one to immediately benefit at some future time when the duty falls to others.
I think it is at least somewhat disingenuous to suggest that “Duties are something else” and then not specify what duties actually are. If they are not as I have described above, then by all means your full elucidation of your own belief as to what they are might clarify. But to me, as above, what I described are indeed duties.
The big eared Queensland galoot could end causing a serious problem with his comment about the RBA
If the RBA eases, it could very well be seen as the CB relenting to the Liars even though inflation remains above target. If you removed the energy subsidies that caused a subtraction to the CPI, we would be closer to 4% CPI.
Duties refer to obligations or responsibilities that individuals are expected to fulfill,?
I think my first comment and most of the subsequent comments I made were focused on the priority of life over expression. I gave you my first comment, above, to which you first replied. I had no conversation with Roger, my first comment was made overhearing your discussion with Roger. Why pretend this is not the case when we have a record in this thread (and the OOT) of the conversation? Here is me yesterday morning:
I’m not giving you a scenario at all. I’m illustrating that the right to life is more foundational then [right to] free speech.
Not at all. In a situation in which none of these rights are protected, people will organize to preserve their most basic rights first. They will want their life and property to receive the protection of the law, firstly, because they are the most essential rights, and then move on to the less basic rights like assembly and speech.
I don’t overlook this at all. I argued specifically that protection of life (and property) come before free expression because they are foundational.
Clearly the order of priority is the focus here.
JC-
Think where else you have heard “right to life”.
Make more sense now?
(NB- Agree with you on rights. Just pointing out a motivation you appear to have missed.)
Elbow gets a lashing (sorry it’s long but have highlighted for emphasis)
THE FRONT DORE: Anthony Albanese’s government spin a distraction from the only issue Australia cares about | The Nightly
Bill Clinton’s campaign famously coined the phrase “it’s the economy, stupid” to define the 1992 presidential race.
For Anthony Albanese and Jim Chalmers right now, heading into election season, they’ve tweaked it: “It’s the stupid economy.”
The PM and his people talk a lot. Some of it makes sense. Most of it is designed to distract from what everyone else outside of Canberra is obsessed by — the economy.
Not the stats and the spin. The real economy. The household P & L: How so little is trickling into family bank accounts, and how much of it is rushing back out again. It’s basic.
Most people do not have the luxury to overthink too much when it comes to the household budget. But Australians are fond of a plan. A plan for the day. The week. Dinner. Hold on to enough of that money and they might come up with a plan for a holiday, or a new car.
Australians wouldn’t mind hearing a bit of a plan from old Albo.
This is the greatest finger-pointing government in modern history. They have no explanations and no answers.
We’ve heard more from the PM’s office this past week about whether his second wedding is on (last weekend’s papers) or off (this weekend’s papers).
Political translation: the internal tracking poll through the week did not go well on the question of: “How do you feel about the PM getting married?” Answer: “How does the PM feel about having his honeymoon in opposition?”
The latest hot take from the Lodge brains trust is that all this wedding talk is a bit of a distraction before the election. So it’s off. For now.
Most blokes who are batting, like Albo, would be wise to go earlier, before the dust settles, while you’ve still got a good job. You just never know. Put a ring on it pal.
Maybe just do it one weekend out the back of the Lodge, keep it to yourself, family and friends, don’t invite Women’s Weekly over for the photoshoot, and keep Kyle and Jackie O off the guest list.
When he’s not talking about the wedding, Albanese is talking about Peter Dutton.
He flew into Perth on Sunday and bee-lined it down to Collie, the WA town losing its coal mine.
Dutton wants Collie to come back to life by hosting a nuclear power plant. Albanese might have a plan for Collie, who would know? But for now, the next best idea is to make the town very, very angry. At Peter Dutton’s plan.
Albanese also took the opportunity to instil the fear of God into West Australians, a people uniquely obsessed with the GST, by launching a bunch of online scary ads claiming Dutton was opposed, during Cabinet deliberations, to lifting the State’s share of the consumption tax. Six years ago.
And that must be his secret plan today. He’s coming after your GST sandgropers.
Risky territory for Albanese, a man notorious for espousing some cringeworthy crap in his earlier days in politics, when he actually opposed a GST, negged on capitalism generally, and was all for an inheritance tax and any other great ideas to “hit the top end of town”.
It’s fair to say Albanese likes his new stuff better than his old stuff. But amusingly, his retort in 2022 to the revelations of his eat-the-rich political DNA could not be more fitting today: “It is a sign of absolute desperation from a divided, dishonest and incompetent government“, he said of attempts to trawl over his long-forgotten socialist libations.
Albanese is playing superficial, banal and tiresome politics.
What the Prime Minister doesn’t want to seriously discuss is the economy.
And with good reason, for a bloke desperate for another term to plonk his arse in the back of C1; no Adam Bandt you cannot sit in the driver’s seat.
Our economy is on life support right now.
Unlike a lot of what the Government wastes its time and our money on, the economy is one of those quaint little things it can properly influence. Get out of the way, and great things can happen. Get all busy in everyone’s business, and we end up here. Albo and Jim.
Whether we have a say in it or not, dopey, deadbeat government decisions affect business, which in turn affects workers, and that has an obvious flow-on effect at home. On their family, their kids. It strikes at their health and, naturally, over time, their future.
We don’t talk about it enough, the reality, the mums and dads, the battlers and breadwinners that make up Jim Chalmers’ precious “economy”.
Canberra is mostly utterly oblivious. They don’t work in the real world.
When Albanese dons a hard hat and high-viz, as he did on Sunday, he’s play-acting. It’s a game.
Policies, for want of a more precise word, are crafted to deliver maximum political mileage, while minimising political damage. The greater good is a bit player in this mockumentary.
Even the Treasurer would prefer to talk about Peter Dutton than the economy. Run the focus group lines to get the headlines on Dutton. Not the economy.
Chalmers summons his best vituperative invective for Dutton.
He’s “the most divisive political leader that I have seen in my lifetime and this is a deliberate choice by him, it’s not some accident”. “He divides deliberately, almost pathologically, and that sort of division in our leadership, in our society, right now is worse than disappointing — it’s dangerous.”
Chalmers uses the prefix “Dr”. Most people who are not wankers and have a simple PhD in politics, rather than a medical degree, choose to stick with “Mr”. It avoids confusion. And is certainly a more accurate, and broadly accepted, description for an arts degree.
Chalmers earned his title by writing a thesis on Paul Keating. So he is an expert on pathological, divisive, maybe dangerous, politicians after all.
When attacking Dutton doesn’t work, Chalmers adopts another strategy: he pretends that as Treasurer he doesn’t really run the economy, someone else, anyone, please, does.
Last year it was Vladimir Putin.
This month it’s the governor of the Reserve Bank, Michele Bullock.
Overnight, facing an ugly set of numbers in the national accounts, the official data measuring the state of the economy, Chalmers unloaded on the RBA.
“With all this global uncertainty on top of the impact of rate rises, which are smashing the economy” Chalmers expects the economic growth will be officially “soft and subdued”.
This is not my doing. This is all her. And them. Those people out there, running the globe, and hammering my precious.
It’s terrifying. Neither Chalmers nor Albanese take any responsibility for the state of the economy, or anything else for that matter.
This is the greatest finger-pointing Government in modern history. They have no explanations and no answers.
You don’t need a PhD in macroeconomics or a finance degree from Macquarie University to instinctively know what the official, but rarely discussed, figures actually show: as measured on a micro, household-to-household, level economic growth has been going backwards. The overall figure, artificially engorged by a flood of migrants, masks the reality.
We are, and have been for some time, effectively in a recession.
Politicians spin. It’s naïve to think otherwise. But spin only works when it’s not obvious to everyone that the spin is actually complete bullshit.
Raygun can talk a brilliant game about her breakdancing credentials. Sensational. Until the world sees her dance.
Chalmers can fool everyone into thinking he can handle the economy like a modern Paul Keating. Until we check the label on his suit.
And Albanese can charm his legion of loyal left wing loyalists into thinking he’s the political re-incarnation of Bob Hawke.
Until we see him govern.
Western Australia, at one stage was receiving just over 30c for every dollar they contributed in G.S.T.
Chalmers is demonstrating why he was the brains behind Goose Swansteen. In reality around 70% of government spending is baked in before anyone opens a spreadsheet. The real damage is being done by Burqa and Bowen in the labour and energy markets. Interest rates have always been a blunt instrument and arguably are less effective now than at any other time. Outside Melbournibad house prices have resumed their upward march.
If you were truly sincere, you would acknowledge that the section we’re discussing focuses solely on the interconnection between expression, dissent, and association. Bringing up topics like life and its protection in this context is irrelevant. You can debate that point on your own now as it’s not getting anywhere and boring everyone to death.
You tell generations of children of their “rights”.
You put them in the mindset of thinking they should receive things regardless of effort, even if it’s something as ephemeral as “liberty”.
Everything is couched as a right. Little Johnny has a right to a supportive learning “environment”. Little Jenny has a right to have her learning disability taken into account.
One side of politics works diligently and remorselessly over decades to expand the definition of “rights” into “entitlements”. Suddenly you have “free” education, health, public housing. Where once the factory owner built the road between his mill and the estate where he kept his workers, now freedom of mobility is a right.
Suddenly you are stuck on an eight lane freeway for hours waiting for effing Just Stop Oil wankers exercising their right to be idiots.
Police with a quota to fill claim to be pursuing everyone’s right to make it home safe by booking you for 8km/hr over on a bright day on a clear blue highway.
Dazed and disorientated, clutching your chest you stagger into the emergency dept, only to have to queue behind a dozen refugees who have been told by advocates that the local hospital has to give them free attention, whereas the local GP will charge them $30.
Inside the hospital you are greeted by large signs stating that the staff have “a right to be treated with curtesy” and any offence against them will result in criminal charges. You look at the assortment of slobs slurping coffees that consists of the staff in this institution and the momentary feelings of sympathy that you had for them realising that the sign was required because of the never ending stream of drug wrecked idiots exercising their “right to do whatever they want with their own bodies” evaporates.
F*ck your rights.
“If the RBA eases, it could very well be seen as the CB relenting to the Liars…”
The only reason things like the RBA are “independent” in the first place is because the choices they need to make are difficult to get right unless you are close to them and impossible to be close to if you have the power to make the choice
Therefore, our ever brave (ahem) politician abrogate their responsibility (again) to an “independent” authority so they can say “not our fault!” when they inevitably get it wrong, and tell us all what genii they are when said authorities get it right (for appointing the right people).
It appears to me that DJT is winning most, if not all, of the key States:
President: general election : 2024 Polls | FiveThirtyEight
But Kamala is flogging him on the Nationwide poll (which doesn’t actually count for anything)?
Would that be a fair read?
Is it really? In this comment, Rights talk is in many ways a short hand of speaking about what is good for human beings. If you are going to drop it you are going to have to have something that replaces it, and one way is to talk about goods. Preserving life rather than the right to life. Shuning ignorance rather than right to an education. These goods are related hierarchically, so the higher ones presuppose the lower ones but the lower ones are for the higher ones, immediately below the comment you replied to on the OOT, I actually did clarify from the start. I indicated that good and goods are related and I give examples of what is meant by goods here. Now, if you weren’t sure of my usage having missed it, you could have just asked for clarification.
“Duties refer to obligations or responsibilities that individuals are expected to fulfill,?”
Part of the social contract then, as it were?
Does that not describe charity, mutual respect and so on?
And therefore make such things duties?
Not trying to be a dick or anything, just not seeing that your description of “duty” excludes what I suggested were duties.
Let’s try it from the other side then: if what I described are NOT duties, then what generalised word better describes them? I mean, all of them in one word.
Happy for you to agree this is a hard area to get right – I thought “duty” was OK…
Dover, perhaps you should also highlight that the comment you’re referencing wasn’t directed to me, but to someone else.and don’t necessarily read what you say to others,(or all)
The first time I saw :goods” was here: To me.
Just ask for clarification next time.
What section? That on Oakeshott? He says that expression is important, but exaggerated, and possibly a keystone but not the arch. Even leaving that aside, why would I move on to something else if we still hadn’t resolved the first and most important issue, their order of priority?
Kneel
As I said earlier.
Principles of mutual respect and reciprocity.
Ethical behavior.
I’d add kindness.
The reason I have an issue with the words ‘duty’ and ‘obligation’ is that you often see the left using these terms when they’re making demands. Often, I saw these two words referring to the referendum on the Yes side as an example.
He “doesn’t read the comments”.
Only knows what’s in them through his gigantic intellect.
Lol.
Listen to this. It’s beyond belief. Literally, the old Soviet Union.
UK journalist under house arrest on terrorism chargep
That was scary. How long before it happens to you?
Brittany’s French chateau would be a good base for a surf trip through SW France and the Basque region. We did a couple and they are thoroughly recommended. Ended up more drinking than surfing but the thought was there.
An Indigenous leader says the ‘identity fraud’ of people falsely claiming Aboriginal heritage is ‘out of control’.
Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council CEO Nathan Moran told Sky News interviewer Andrew Bolt on Monday night that over ’40 per cent of people who have identified as Aboriginal were not born as Aboriginal’.
Since the 1990s the number of people identifying as Aboriginal has grown much quicker than the birth rates for Indigenous children, Mr Moran said.
Mr Moran, whose Council covers large areas of Sydney, said a surge in ‘identity fraud’ was causing the ‘bastardisation of (Aboriginal) culture and heritage’.
‘Those who might have discovered an ancestor then start speaking or claiming to speak as an authority over and above the legislated democratic organisation like ourselves,’ Mr Moran said.
Daily Mail. Who would have thought it?
Wow. Just wow. This is the UK!
Can’t say I”m sympathetic to what her journalism is trying to do, but she should be allowed to do it. We can shoot down her pro-Pallie stance and may even find some human sympathies with the plight of those in Gaza, while not going along with the belief in the ‘evil’ IDF and its ‘genocide’. OK by me as long as we are equally free to promote the IDF side as thoroughly.
No-one writing and publishing in a free Western democracy should be treated to the sorts of intrusions she was subjected to.
Dim Chambers’ toys out of the cot petulance is an example of a politician way out of his depth attacking the “independent authority” for bowing to reality – i.e. if “inflation” is increasing, so must interest rates.
That labore’s staggeringly stupid policies are driving costs up (and ergo, interest rates) is not something a self declared economic genius such as dimbo is evidently capable of comprehending.
So the mediocre bureaucratic karen (BIRM) caught in the headlights cops a bullocking. Not only is not labore’s fault, the “independent authority” is sabotaging their mighty economic agenda that will see us become a renewable energy and green hydrogen super power, churning out solar panels like the wussians churning out T34s during the grate patriotic contretemps.
Clown World on stilts.
Wot Rabz eloquently said.
Ellie, if you are around, it’s ok to let us here know of your strange grief.
Just know that a father doesn’t have to be perfect, and he never stops being your father. I recall, as do others here, that you have reason to have confused emotions about your dad, but you also have tender childhood memories which you relate back thread and perhaps some adult times together which you can more warmly recall. These you can allow yourself to be sad about now that he is gone, yet glad to have the memories.
I was the only family member who would provide a eulogy at my father’s funeral, but once the good memories were started, others got up and said a few things too, even mum. He was a man of his era, who suffered a tough childhood, and much about him can be understood as due to that. He also had hopes and ambitions for his family which were not the way things turned out in spite of what were so often his best efforts in a life of disappointments. He was never knowingly cruel and stepped over no moral fatherhood boundaries but he did make our lives at times a living hell.
From understanding, comes forgiveness. Forgive him, Ellie.
Melanie Phillips has a good article up at the Oz on the dilemma facing Netanyahu. It is about the balancing act between getting back all the hostages and the aim of destroying Hamas and it’s leader Sinwar.
I don’t agree with her view that Netanyahu is a moral coward for not explaining that the number one priority was Hamas. I realise hard for relatives to accept but that should have been obvious.
She mentions 700 IDF killed so far. Those demanding the return of the hostages clearly don’t comprehend that their return would mean a massive win for Hamas and prove that hostage taking works. It is why many countries day can’t negotiate for hostages as will only encourage the taking of more.
Unfortunately the protests yesterday only help Hamas and it is clear the death of the 6 is being used by political enemies to damage Netanyahu and his Government.
Perhaps somebody might post the article here before JC is triggered.
There is surprisingly also an article by Konstantin Kissin ( from podcast Triggenometry) on immigration.
Indolent
September 3, 2024 3:30 pm
Joe Biden Has Gotten Worse Since He Dropped out of 2024 Race – Heavily Slurs at Labor Day Campaign Event with Kamala
Has Joe had a stroke? Its been a few weeks since I last watched video footage of him and he seems appreciably worse. That slurring is reminiscent of a very mild stroke.
He had an undisclosed medical incident in Las Vegas a couple months ago.
A huge and constant cocktail of boosters and calmers will do that to anyone (not the trad uppers and downers but experimental stuff honed to his particular physical manifestations and his age) – with highs such as he was on during his State of the Nation speech.
I suspect that now the President has been dismissed for all intents and purposes, he is no longer drugged to the eyeballs for public appearances – we now see what he has been for some years.
You keep relying to me as though we’re in disagreement on this.
We aren’t.
But at least we’ve moved on from rights are by definition bad.
You’ve forgotten your homework.
Quid pro quo.
I expect a full report.
Land Councils in the NT, and local indig councils everywhere can cop the stick for this.
Very, very strong evidence exists that a ‘council’ of this type will accept pretty much anyone with the most tenuous grip on aboriginalness, and provide a letter – complete with official-looking stamps – declaring that they have considered the matter at length, and unanimously accept Mr or Ms X as an indig member, and of their crew at that.
For a fee.
Which will never be mentioned, nor recorded in any of that council – or corporation’s records.
Someone somewhere may have received a free jetski, or house renos, or a Prado though.
Going rate, in the Kimberly’s, way back when, was three cartons of VB.
If this bloke was a bastard, and taking into account I have paid absolutely zero attention to this sub-thread until now, I will contend that there is certainly scope for non forgiveness.
Whether whatsername wants to take that into account herself is her business and not mine.
There is a saying I picked up from somewhere or other quite some time ago, and which I have lived by since the son and heir to this mighty empire was born, very close to 20 years ago.
It is very simple:
‘Anyone can be a father. It takes someone special to be a Dad.’
If he was a Dad, then do what you have to do. If he was just a father, jog on.
It’s more compex than that, KD.
A grieving daughter has to work through her own emotions and perspectives and effect psychological closure. That’s truth, btw, not psycho-babble. Not all dads are great dads, but many who are very flawed have nevertheless tried, which bears thinking on when they die. Familial sexual abuse is not something I’ve had to deal with, so I can’t really comment authentically. If that is actually the reality or just a fantasy here (I don’t know, Ellie has implied a reality), I do know that for whatever reason carrying hate or anger or any strong negative emotions in the heart about anyone or anything, particularly within the family, is something best avoided for future peace of mind. Justice claimed but tempered with mercy comes to mind.
I’ve always seen Christianity’s great social achievement as its ability to foster forgiveness, to heal psychic wounds, at a macro societal level as well as within families and communities. And for individuals struggling with various mental demons, forgiveness helps to put those aside. People often bounce back in the most amazing ways.
My last words on the Yooman Rights issue:
We’ll find out just what Rights we have if the Muzzies take over, won’t we?
Funniest comment I’ve seen in a while below this pic on Twitter.
No wonder the left hate twitter. Some of the comments are really rude.
Rand Paul On Rising: US STILL Funding Chinese Military DESPITE Evidence Of Lab Leak: WHY?
HIGHLIGHT
Federal Liberals taking over NSW branch after councils fiasco
The embattled NSW Liberals will be forced into a 10-month federal takeover, with the appointment of “three eminent Australians” to oversee the state party until after the next federal election.
It follows a Tuesday afternoon meeting by the Liberal federal executive, which rubber-stamped the move.
The drastic action was prompted after hundreds of candidates were left off ballots for September’s local elections after a bungle from state party headquarters, with the fallout already claiming the scalp of ex-director Richard Shields and leaving president Don Harwin clinging to his job.
The Australian understands that a damning report by former Liberal federal director Brian Loughnane found the NSW party ill-prepared to campaign for the next national poll and identified “serious failings” after its August council nominations disaster.
A bunch of hamsters replaced by gerbils.
Musk better hope Trump wins, because they’re going to throw him in jail on some financial infraction.
The Demons must hate him so much.
Don’t forget that Israel – in extremis – will use her nukes.
And she may just use them on the bastards in Europe who have abandoned her for short term political advantage by sucking up to the enemy.
That will be entirely on the heads of those who deny her the conventional weapons she needs to defend herself.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/09/02/left-wing-uk-government-suspends-dozens-of-arms-export-licences-to-israel/
@robinmonotti
How face masks really work:
@TheChiefNerd
NEW – Kansas AG Kris Kobach Announces a Lawsuit Against Pfizer for ‘Misleading & Deceptive Statements Made in Marketing Its COVID-19 Vaccine’
Pfizer looks a bit crook.
Over the 5 years available, covering the entire Covid episode, it’s back to the lowest it’s been.
If you bought at the peak at the end of 2021, and kept your stock, then you’ve had a >50% loss.
@MikeBenzCyber
Maybe, maybe not. Not that that was even specifically my claim, but nice sidestep.
The point is that we can conceive of it and such arrangements have existed throughout history.
Unless you are going to claim that servitude or slavery never existed under a rule of law.
Therefore your claim that duties and rights are two sides of the same coin as a general principle under law is false.
You cannot have one side of a coin wandering through history on it’s own, can you?
There is no such principle that a right must have a corresponding duty or that a duty must have a corresponding right.
‘Huge contribution to nation’: former ABC presenter Tim Bowden dies, aged 87
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Veteran ABC broadcaster and writer Tim Bowden has died, aged 87.
Bowden was best known to ABC audiences as the host of the Backchat TV program that aired on the national broadcaster between 1986 and 1994, but prior to that he was a distinguished journalist.
Bowden worked as a war correspondent in Vietnam in the late 1960s, before a stint as the ABC’s North American correspondent.
He was the first executive producer of the ABC radio current affairs program PM, before becoming a producer on This Day Tonight in the early 1970s.
In 1985, Bowden founded the ABC’s Social History Unit, creating multi-part series including Prisoners of War – Australians Under Nippon.
Bowden wrote 18 books including three about his travels across Australia with his wife Ros.
In 1994, Bowden received an Order of Australia for services to public broadcasting.
On Tuesday, ABC managing director David Anderson said: “Tim was part of the fabric of the ABC for decades and made a huge contribution to the national public broadcaster and to the nation.
“He was generous to his colleagues and was known as much for his sense of humour as his passion for journalism and the ABC.”
Bowden died on Sunday at his home in Tuncurry, on the mid-north coast of NSW
Sad to hear, he was a good guy and a friend of my stepfather (who went to God some years ago). 87 is a pretty good innings.
That he chose to live in Tuncurry, rather than Byron Bay, might tell us something about his attitudes to “normal” Australians.
My old dad lives in Forster/Tuncurry. It’s pretty grounded. There’s a Leopard tank outside of the Forster RSL, which is a nice thing.
He launched a book on Changi a few years ago at Forster library. He gave a great presentation and I bought a signed book and had a chat. I guess a lefty but Backchat was wonderfully dry and witty.
Bowden was old ABC.
When its employees provided a needed service and didn’t despise their audience.
If it is the performance of duties that produces “the good” or sets the preconditions for “the good” and duties and rights are not two sides of the same coin, if a duty doesn’t require a corresponding right, then why are we trying to advance good by stating rights?
Tanya gets her jackboots on. Sieg heil!
Tanya Plibersek delivers blunt message to gold company over mine dispute (Sky News mainpage headline, 3 Sep)
Doubling down on lies is not a good look Tanya. Just saying.
Hateful people. Toxic parasites.
I’m very far from a fan of heavy handed government, but Ms Wilkinson is a little more than a journalist:
Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation in the UK – and Palestine Action is shuffling its way onto that list too. I guess Ms Wilkinson is a bit more than rhetorical in her support of them.
But, yes, I know, first they came for the swivel-eyed activists…
Thanks Faustus. I did wonder, having scrolled down the comments.
The story of the “convoy” going the wrong way was interesting and also the Shrewsbury plod. Why did they leave her there if she was so dangerous?
Is she going to ‘injure’ them some more? That was TLS’s threat iirc. To think my taxes go to keep those spiteful mediocrities in the style to which they are accustomed.
Woke up beside a leg of lamb.
Arky! Rescue me
Times are tough. Even for the Mafia.
Looks like Dutton has given NSW Libs their marching orders. Bye bye Harwin.
Cassie will be pleased. I know I am.
Interesting conversation with our son today, working at a MinRes lithium project in the Pilbara, construction is going into hold in November, so he will be moving on from what was supposed to be at least another 12mths gig. Demand and prices for Australian lithium, like nickel, have crashed after the boom.
Same old WA story, what happens in mining will flow down through property. We were just over there visiting him, and the property market is raging, our son has secure work in his occupation but has looked at a potential property purchase and put that on hold, because the WA cycle always repeats.
Stories in resources are cumulative, the brakes are going on.
The mining industry is completely distorted by political ideology now. I’m very glad I’m retired.
Yup before the last crash with coal I had a tidy sum of savings in cash and some assets. By the upturn the cash was gone and I was in the process of selling assets as they were costing me more in maintenance etc than I could outlay without going backwards.
As Abbott said to the SAS boys when visiting Afghan, S happens. 6-7 years later I’m in a much better position. especially savings wise.
As you hint it’s a rollercoaster…
Don’t worry about property crashing. We’ll just import an extra 100k or so immigrants. That should prop up the market.
Governments couldn’t allow the bubble to burst. There would be anarchy.
Guys like Neil Jenman have been talking about a property crash for as long as I can remember.
Senator Linda Reynolds’s lawyers dig in on second last day of Brittany Higgins defamation trial
In short:Brittany Higgins was a liar who tried to ruin Linda Reynolds’s career and bring down the then-Morrison government after her rape allegations were made public, a WA court has been told.
Martin Bennett made the comments as part of his closing submissions to the high-stakes defamation action Senator Reynolds’s has brought against her former staffer.
Senator Reynolds made a surprise appearance in court this morning, her first attendance since she gave evidence three weeks ago.
Brittany Higgins “arrogantly” tried to claim she was the person most hurt in the aftermath of her Parliament House rape allegation and used her own trauma as a “catch-all excuse” for the “litany of lies” she told, a WA court has heard.
In an explosive final submission to the high-stakes defamation proceedings, Senator Linda Reynolds’s lawyer Martin Bennett has tried to eviscerate Ms Higgins’s defence of the case by painting her as a deliberate liar who tried to ruin her former boss’s career and bring down the Morrison government.
“This is Ms Higgins’s truth, not the truth,” he said.
Are you that committed that you scroll, Calli? Don’t waste your time, girl.
Ellie, you need to be careful at Dover’s Cat.
There is great goodwill here for those who have been mistreated.
But there is no carte blance for bad behaviour.
Best regards.
I called it. Heh
This is one film I’d really like to see.
The Reagan Era | Dennis Quaid
I was trying to find an article about that ANU perfesser who stopped people in Melbourne from getting to work by blocking the Montague St exit. The stuff that came up about the ANU re ‘climate change’ was extraordinary. The stinking intellectual cesspit in the parasite robber state sure is committed to wrecking our economy. But then that’s the Cambra way.
Michael Danby –
“AfD could not survive in civilised parts of Germany”.
Michael is a good man but he should focus his critical attention closer to home.
Why?
What’s he done wrong?
Mind you, I haven’t seen or heard of him before this – I’m just curious about why he shouldn’t speak on the AfD.
@alx
Former Deputy Chair of the Democratic National Committee Keith Ellison thanks the Tyrants of Brazil for banning ?
The Party of Censorship
@TCNetwork
This is so sick…
Tanya gets her jackboots on. Sieg heil!
Tanya Plibersek delivers blunt message to gold company over mine dispute (Sky News mainpage headline, 3 Sep)
Doubling down on lies is not a good look Tanya. Just saying.
Plibbers gets rooted by a convicted drug dealer and is licking the warped genitals of the filth by banning the gold mine. This is what the left do: anything to stay in power even destroying the nation. Look at rub and tug importing palli vote hordes. No matter that they will commit terrorist attacks on the punters. And they won’t even be voting for the ugly little shit. Muzzies have now crossed a crucial threshold in this shithole where they can now run their own parties.
Wasn’t it pointed out that anyone with a conviction for drug trafficking wouldn’t be able to even get a job as a teacher, yet said convicted drug dealer is fairly high up in the Education Department of New South Wales?
Yes like Director General and Fatty O’Barrell did nothng
From The Australian:
Good response. I don’t know what role Dutton played in this, but I strongly suspect that Morison would have let it all slip by.
Even worse, Morrison would not have seen a problem.
Tanya Plibersek has delivered a brutal response to Regis Resources over the company’s “nonsense” claims its McPhillamy’s gold mine project could be set back 10 years after it was effectively blocked by the Environment Minister.
Is this a thwarting I see before me?
Labor in power don’t like being thwarted, like, it’s against their divine right or something.
Starmer’s Insane Tax Plan Backfires
Sorry, calli. I should have scrolled back.
The so-called ‘far right’ has won a stunning victory in Germany over the week-end, something that will send the hard left wokesters into a meltdown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqJNlTPzVYc
Jeff Taylor – redefining awkward.
But always worth a look.
AfD election victory on the weekend.
The Far Right is a terrible bête noir in the UK: an existential threat, bogey person, and political insult.
But what actually is it?
Prior to August a Far Rightist was usually identified by membership of, or affiliation with one of the fringe Fascist, Nationalist, or NeoNazi groups. Reading through media, political, and academic discussion the Far Right was firmly the territory of soccer crews, racist thugs, and nutters – small groups, fractious, and largely uncoordinated other than by internet influencers.
The August riots changed that narrative in a political heartbeat.
What is now becoming mainstream in the UK media and commentariat* (which now, worryingly, includes Top Plod and Beaks) is that the Far Right is a spectrum of beliefs and characteristics starting at the Centre Right and extending out to Nazi Cosplayers Seig Heiling themselves into ecstasy.
The claimed characteristics of Far Rightists can roughly be summarised as follows:
Presumably, the more of these you have on your CV, the further along the spectrum you sit.
It’s probably not a coincidence that many of these claimed characteristics cover the Reform platform – which claimed 14% of the popular vote at the last election and poses a major threat to the UniParty status quo at the next.
Starmer is clearly alive to the politics of this paradigm.
Asked how worried he was about the far right at home and abroad, Sir Keir told broadcasters: “I am worried about the far right. I’m worried about populism and nationalism and the politics of the easy answer, the snake oil, if you like.
“It’s very important that we have a debate about how we confront that. My own personal view is that through delivery, through showing there are progressive, democratic answers to the many challenges we face, is the way forward.”
Sir Keir previously condemned this summer’s unrest in the UK as “far-right thuggery”.
In a speech in the Downing Street rose garden on Tuesday, the PM said the riots “revealed a deeply unhealthy society… weakened by a decade of division and decline, infected by a spiral of populism which fed off cycles of failure of the last government“.
He’s correct to a certain extent in that the last government did a spectacularly awful job of governance. But the problems with the health of British society go back much further than 10 years of badly done Conservative Government.
Sadly, I’m not expecting the “progressive, democratic answers” of a fairly wobbly government with a large controlling majority to amount to anything significantly better than snake oil.
Worse, the prospect of confronting “populism and nationalism” with the rollout of hardline authoritarianism…
* I’ve referenced the BBC here for convenience. There is however a strong correlation of opinion within most MSM influencing the narrative.
Yeah. Here we go.
Again.
Talk to me knuckle dragger.
Your knuckles drag on the ground?
Here we go again! Knuckle dragger hosting his fists to … what?
Put your teeth in first
Why do I trigger you?? Serious question
Your boys are here down ticking me. The difference is, I survived the likes of you and your misogynistic ilk
Lots of down ticks. No response.
Too scared? I know I am an inch away from being banned. But do you know what? Jab me. I couldn’t work as a parole officer unless I was injected. My body. Who has the right to inject me?
The Government. Isn’t it what we are against?
Starmer is incapable of thought outside of his smellie little campus marxist orthodoxies.
Probably from one of Indolents swarm of links, to the Lotus Eaters but it popped up this gem. MSM & left huffing and puffing “far right” about Afd in Germany well it seems they have a manifesto and they have an English version:
https://www.afd.de/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/2017-04-12_afd-grundsatzprogramm-englisch_web.pdf
For all’s perusal if interested.
Remember too that the softy handed gubmint salaried lawyer said he preferred Davos to Westminster. More chance to ‘get things done’. What sort of things? This parasitic filth makes blowjob look good.
You made a claim that lords could access peasant women. That sounds awfully like that old canard.
Setting aside that I’ve given several examples of how from one angle a right can be viewed as a duty, why would servitude or slavery contradict this general claim?
I think we’ve done it to death.
And as per usual, no one admits to budging one iota after the discussion.