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Cassie of Sydney
October 18, 2024 5:10 pm

For those here who’ve watched the superb Israeli drama, Fauda, you would be familiar with the character of Taufiq Hammed, the terrorist who is known in the fictional series as ‘the Panther‘. Taufiq is the nemesis of Doron, the Israeli operative from the Shin Bet.

I’ve heard it said that the character of Taufiq was based on Sinwar. There’s an intriguing line in one of the episodes. In one scene Taufiq secretly meets up with his wife. This wife yearns for a quieter life for herself, her daughter and her husband. She’s tired of the endless violence, of having a husband on the run, of having Israelis visit her frequently. She asks a simple question of her husband…

‘when will it end?’

To which Taufiq aka the Panther responds…

when we win’

Taufiq’s answer is telling and it is one that doesn’t just belong in a fictional series like Fauda. Anyone with some basic insight into the Palestinian mindset, anyone who’s viewed some of Cory Gil-Shuster’s Youtube videos will know how the average Palestinian thinks and feels about Israel and Jews. Gil-Shuster’s videos are a vox populi of the average Palestinian on the street in towns such as Hebron, Jenin, Ramallah and Bethlehem. And those feelings and opinions aren’t pretty. 95% of Palestinians believe that one day the Jews will be gone and they will take back Tel Aviv, Haifa, Siderot and all the rest of the land that Israel was founded upon in 1948. Note, they don’t dispute the 1967 borders, no, they dispute and dislike the 1948 borders because here’s the rub, they detest the very existence of Israel. They don’t believe in coexistence with Jews. The believe in the chant….

‘From the river to the sea Palestine will be free….OF JEWS’

An unequivocal call for genocide. Israel knows it and the Palestinians know it. And it is a sign of just how far the West has fallen that this same genocidal chant is now chanted by gormless indoctrinated middle class males and females (particularly females) across the Western world, on our streets and university campuses. The West should be so ashamed, it is sickening.

Israel knows it has to fight, and it knows how to fight. It has no other way, the only alternative is death and Israel and Israelis do not believe in committing suicide, their religion is not a death cult.

Over the decades, ‘Palestinians’ have been fed and endless litany of lies, not just from their own corrupt leaders but also from spineless leaders in the West. Western leaders ae still parroting lies. The Palestinians never believed in the two state solution, instead they tricked the West and they also tricked Israel for a time. Whilst Israel woke up to that trickery a long time ago, it did nothing about it but since October 7 2023 I can assure you it won’t be entertaining any more trickery from the Pallies. There will be no more workers coming into Israel from Gaza, Israel can and will source workers from other countries, such as India and the Philippines.

As shown with the news this morning that Sinwar the Psychopath has been eliminated, Israel will continue to do what it must to survive in a brutal and ugly neighbourhood. Many in the Arab Muslim world, particularly in cults like like Hamas, ISIS and Hezbollah, pride themselves on the fact that they love death over life. Israel prides itself on its love and reverence for life. It was that reverence for life which saved the life of Sinwar the Psychopath over a decade ago when a Jewish doctor saved his life, it was only fitting that Sinwar the psychopath’s life was terminated last night by another Jew.

The Israeli and Jewish love for life will always defeat the Palestinian lust for death. Despite what Taufiq the Panther says, despite what the average Palestinian feels, it is Israel who will win because love for life will always, and I mean always, triumph over a love for death.

m0nty
m0nty
October 18, 2024 5:14 pm

I see Trump has cancelled appearances on NBC, MSNBC and the NRA. I guess he needs more Spotify Time.

Meanwhile, Harris appeared on Fox where they showed her a wrong clip in an aborted attempt at a gotcha. Bret Baier didn’t realise it but Harris did and went after him hammer and tongs, Baier has since backed down in embarrassing fashion making his protestations in the interview look even more foolish.

No October Surprise so far, Harris is cruising to victory. I guess why that’s why they call it a surprise.

Lysander
Lysander
October 18, 2024 5:15 pm

Trickler,
Whenever Cenk gets any coverage of his pro-Nazi views, I always remind myself of this little gem:

The Young Turks Election Meltdown 2016: From smug to utterly devastated. (youtube.com)

JC
JC
October 18, 2024 5:24 pm

Fatboy, Trump doesn’t need to perform after that plane wreck on Fox courtesy of KamalToe. Easily the dumbest candidate to ever grace a campaign stage in the history of the republic.
Gotta give it to the DNC—they really outdid themselves. Swapping out the old , demented influence-peddler, they went above and beyond to find the most clueless, stupid, absurd, and downright bizarre individual in the party to take the spotlight.

You really can’t make this up if you tried.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 18, 2024 5:25 pm

H/T Michael Smith.

Greg said…
News just in – it has been reported that Mehreen Faruqi and Fatima Payman are heavily consoling each other after hearing about Sinwar and are considering asking Parliament to declare a day of mourning. But there is more – Sinwar has tragically lost his ticket to “Paradise” and is now headed in the opposite direction. Terribly tragic after all he had been told.
Reply Friday, 18 October 2024 at 02:32 PM

Indolent
Indolent
October 18, 2024 5:35 pm

@robinmonotti

THE VACCINES CANCER LINK EXPOSED:
“All recombinant vaccines [Hib (Haemophilus influenzae type b), Hepatitis B, HPV (Human papillomavirus), Whooping cough (part of the DTaP combined vaccine), Pneumococcal disease, Meningococcal disease, Shingles] contain adjuvants that can act as transfection agents, delivering contaminant plasmid DNA into the cells of the person receiving the product. Transfected plasmids can cause cancer.

This plasmid DNA transfection problem was known about at least as far back as 1999.

It has taken 25 years, a manufactured pandemic, an intrepid journalist, a group of dissident scientists and a council meeting on the other end of the world to expose it.

The pharma companies knew about the problem and have tried to suppress it, as have the multitude of agencies who have tried to ridicule, threaten and harass those scientists over the years who have tried to raise the alarm.”

Indolent
Indolent
October 18, 2024 5:38 pm

@robinmonotti

I object to the WHO’s Pandemic Agreement. Medicine should only be carried out between doctor and patient and subject to the specificities of both. It’s bad enough when governments start to dictate generic medicine. Even worse when transnational bodies which are under control of oligarchs, like the WHO get to dictate what is and isn’t a medical emergency and mandate generic solutions rather than patient specific approaches, which may even be: do nothing different & ignore the fearmongering!

m0nty
m0nty
October 18, 2024 5:40 pm

I suspect the SS told him not to do the NRA for security reasons, like they told him no more golf.

Surely the NRA would be the safest place in America, Bruce! Good guys with guns, the ultimate conservative defence.

After he loses, it will be time to shuffle off to an assisted living facility on a nice resort island. He can bring his treasured playlist on a Walkman and enjoy a lovely view of the Bronx… through the bars in the window.

JC
JC
October 18, 2024 5:40 pm
Indolent
Indolent
October 18, 2024 5:41 pm
JC
JC
October 18, 2024 5:45 pm

If you believe in heaven and hell, this is what I reckon hell sounds like.

NASA recorded the sound of a black hole

Indolent
Indolent
October 18, 2024 5:46 pm

I never wore a mask during Covid and it wasn’t always easy. Just the thought of further mandates gives me shivers. That’s why it’s so important not to forget and to prove how wrong they were because you can be very sure they’ll try it on again.

@robinmonotti

Italy follows California in getting hospitals to reinstate face mask mandates. This is clearly coordinated. They have no right to enforce this, it is your human right to never wear a face mask in any circumstance, including in hospitals. Doctors and hospital staff are not above human rights. We all have to join up to put them back in their place and end their medical tyranny once and for all. Always refuse to wear a mask in all circumstances. No it’s not polite to submit to the tyranny of Big Pharma. Masks do not work to stop viruses. It is a BIG LIE. And even if someone claims they do, it’s your body and your choice. Always. Cite Article 6 of the Universal Declaration of Bioethics and Human Rights:
“Article 6 Consent
1. Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice.

2. Scientific research should only be carried out with the prior, free, express and informed consent of the person concerned. The information should be adequate, provided in a comprehensible form and should include modalities for withdrawal of consent. Consent may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without any disadvantage or prejudice. Exceptions to this principle should be made only in accordance with ethical and legal standards adopted by States, consistent with the principles and provisions set out in this Declaration, in particular in Article 27, and international human rights law.

3. In appropriate cases of research carried out on a group of persons or a community, additional agreement of the legal representatives of the group or community concerned may be sought. In no case should a collective community agreement or the consent of a community leader or other authority substitute for an individual’s informed consent.:”

Indolent
Indolent
October 18, 2024 5:50 pm

@robinmonotti

SPOT THE DIFFERENCE:

LEFT: Liverpool Care Pathway for the Dying Patient. “Terminal Restlessness and Agitation” = Midazolam 2.5 mg

RIGHT: NICE NG163 Covid19 Rapid Guideline for Managing Symptoms. “7. Managing Anxiety, Delirium and Agitation” = Midazolam 2.5 mg to 5mg every 2 to 4 hours.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 18, 2024 5:51 pm

Taxpayers on the hook as pro-Palestine vandals run up $200k damages billNoah Yim and Dennis Shanahan
1 hours ago
4 min
Taxpayers have had to pay at least $120,000 to clean up and repair damage to 10 federal Labor MPs’ offices after pro-Palestinian protests and vandalism between the Hamas terror attacks on October 7 last year and June this year.
Estimates of the overall costs, including lost rent and service charges for MPs’ electorate offices that were blockaded by pro-Palestinian protesters, including Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s electorate office in Sydney, go well beyond $200,000 for the nine months.
Official figures from the Department of Finance, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, show the highest cost of damage to any of the offices was $89,309.55 to Labor Jewish MP, Josh Burns, in the Melbourne seat of Macnamara.
The Finance Department figures for 10 MPs include six ministers: the Prime Minister; NDIS Minister Bill Shorten; Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus; Climate Change Minister Chris Bowen; then immigration minister Andrew Giles, and Assistant Health Minister Ged Kearney.
But the estimates do not include Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles, whose electorate office was attacked three times and smeared with red paint.
Nor does the estimate of costs include the lost rent and service charges to MPs who were forced to vacate their office while repairs were made or because of fears for the safety of MPs’ staff.
The Australian revealed earlier this year that Mr Albanese had been forced to vacate his electorate office in Marrickville, in Sydney’s inner west, for six months as pro-Palestinian protesters blockaded his office.
The average rent and utilities for an MP’s electorate office add up to about $27,000 a quarter, with a six-monthly bill of at least $54,000 plus about another $5000 to $6000 in maintenance and cleaning.
James Stevens, the Coalition spokesman on waste, told Weekend The Australian: “It is appalling that Australian taxpayers are forking out hundreds of thousands of dollars to clean up the damage caused by these vile and bigoted stunts.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
October 18, 2024 5:53 pm

You know it’s Friday.

——

Danger Dan Reviews:

She’s a Coasty! Anthony Albanese

Indolent
Indolent
October 18, 2024 5:54 pm
Indolent
Indolent
October 18, 2024 6:07 pm

I haven’t watched all this but people are raving about it.

@alx

Donald Trump’s full speech at the Al Smith Dinner.

Must watch

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 18, 2024 6:16 pm

LOL newest Please Explain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyBfMWIJcuE

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 18, 2024 6:19 pm

Brush up on your economic facts and figures from Daniel Wild at the IPA today:

The news just gets worse for Australians enduring a per capita recession, with new data exposing the federal government’s continued failure to rein in its out-of-control migrant program.

This week the ABS revealed that between January and August 2024, the federal government opened the door to a staggering 356,000 migrants. That number was 352,060 for the same period last year.

This means that the federal government is on track to bring in well over 1.5 million migrants since it came to office. That is the same as bringing in a city with the population of Adelaide.

And with the federal government falling behind on housing approvals, the gulf between the dream of home ownership and its reality is widening further for the next generation of Australians. Demand is dramatically outstripping supply; in the month of August, 13,991 homes were approved, which is 6 per cent lower than the previous month. This number of housing approvals is also much lower than the number of new permanent and long-term arrivals in the country during the same period—just 59 per cent of the 23,780 people who arrived in August.

This problem affects all Australians, not only those entering the housing market. IPA research has revealed that the federal government’s reliance on constant population growth, driven by unplanned mass migration, creates the illusion of economic growth. But while more people may grow the economy overall, the share of that growth for each Australian is actually shrinking. Don’t be fooled by the federal government’s smoke and mirrors – in per capita terms we are all in the midst of a deep and lasting recession.

Migrants are an integral part of our nation’s story. Most Australians welcome migrants if they are proud to be Australian and are properly planned for. The IPA, through our research and analysis, is actively bringing this issue to a very wide audience.

Daniel Wild

Deputy Executive Director

IPA in the media and community:

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 18, 2024 6:19 pm

shatterzzz @ 10:54 am

Important .. Did you visit Gateshead? my home town ……!

No, my people are mostly in Ashington and along the Border.

But I did wave to the Angel as I drove up the A1. Bizarrely for an intended landmark, she has been obscured by ‘environmental’ trees planted in front of her on the main vista down to the highway. She is currently just peeping over the top. Easy to miss.

Indolent
Indolent
October 18, 2024 6:20 pm
H B Bear
H B Bear
October 18, 2024 6:24 pm

The Media Watchdog offers some thoughts on the late George Fungus. Woof woof.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 18, 2024 6:31 pm
thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 18, 2024 6:31 pm

Trump mentions Monty in a speech.

Collin Rugg

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Donald Trump held nothing back at the Al Smith dinner in New York, even joking about Kamala Harris’ husband’s “nanny issue.”

Here are his top jokes of the night:

5. Trump said he didn’t realize men could get periods until he saw Tim Walz.

4. Trump says he has to wrap up his speech so New York can turn the room into an illegal migrant shelter.

3. Trump says he isn’t worried about White Dudes for Harris voters because all their wives’ boyfriends are voting for him.

2. Trump gives Kamala Harris advice on her childcare plan, tells her not to let her husband near the nannies.

1. Trump trolls Chuck Schumer, says he has a chance at becoming the first female president.

Diogenes
Diogenes
October 18, 2024 6:37 pm

You know it’s Friday.

——

Danger Dan Reviews:

She’s a Coasty! Anthony Albanese

We coasties* don’t call ourselves coasties, and don’t like being called coasties

* In my case a former resident of the central xoast

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 18, 2024 6:42 pm

Former Victorian premier Daniel Andrews ‘incredibly proud’ to be appointed chair of youth mental health service Orygen https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/former-victorian-premier-daniel-andrews-incredibly-proud-to-be-appointed-chair-of-youth-mental-health-service-orygen/news-story/0f5484972d88dc9ec8925a9636de38d9

You broke it, you bought it!

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 18, 2024 6:45 pm

Never heard of ‘Orygen’- doesn’t give it much credibility appointing such a universally loathed individual. Why I wonder.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 18, 2024 6:48 pm

Greens silent amid killing of Hamas chief SinwarAlexi Demetriadi
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The Greens have remained silent about Yahya Sinwar’s death as Labor and the Liberals said Australia would “not mourn” the Hamas leader but they would his thousands of victims.
Anthony Albanese said the killing was a “significant moment” and a “vital turning point” in the conflict, and he hoped Sinwar’s death would “break the cycle of ­violence” and bring an end to the Israel-Hamas war.
Leading Greens, however, were tight-lipped on Friday after the ­Israeli government confirmed Sinwar had been killed in the southern Gazan city of Rafah.
Federal party leader Adam Bandt was on leave and unavailable, and did not comment on the death on social media. Neither did deputy leader Mehreen Faruqi nor senator Jordon Steele-John, the Greens’ foreign affairs spokesman. Neither senator’s office returned calls on the subject on Friday.
The lack of response from the Greens was in sharp contrast to that of the Labor government and Liberal opposition.

The Prime Minister welcomed Sinwar’s death, saying it was a “significant moment” in the Middle East conflict.
“Sinwar was a terrorist and the architect of the atrocities committed on October 7,” Mr Albanese said, calling him not just an enemy of Israel but of “peace-loving people everywhere”. “(His death) can be a vital turning point in this devastating conflict.”
Mr Albanese renewed his calls for a return of the remaining hostages in Gaza, more humanitarian support for civilians, and a ceasefire that would “break the cycle of violence and put the region on the path to an enduring two-state ­solution”.
Foreign Minister Penny Wong said Sinwar’s death was an opportunity to end the war, saying the terrorist leader had committed “untold suffering (on) so many people”.
“His violence culminated in the worst loss of Jewish life in a single day since the Holocaust,” Senator Wong said.
“We all look to a day when Gaza is free from Hamas, and to a day where both Israelis and Palestinians can live in peace in a two-state solution, which ensures that both parties (and) peoples can live in peace and security.”
Treasurer Jim Chalmers said Australia did not mourn Sinwar’s death “for one second”, but that it did for all his victims and civilians lost in the ongoing conflict.

Memo to Anthony Albanese – the Palestinians have rejected five offers of a “Two State” solution since the late 1930’s – what makes you think they are interested in such a solution today?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 18, 2024 7:02 pm

I dont suppose the corruption commission would care to take a gander at this??

https://www.orygen.org.au/About/News-And-Events/2023/Orygen-welcomes-mental-health-funding-for-Victoria

Orygen has welcomed the Victorian Government’s investment of $776 million into mental health and alcohol and other drugs supports over the next four years as part of the 2023-24 State Budget.
The investment includes $157 million for mental health beds across the state including further funding for Orygen Specialist Program’s Hospital in the Home program, and specific funding for Orygen to begin work on a strategic business case to build a youth acute inpatient facility at the Parkville Youth Mental Health precinct.

And look what other political maggot has found a vein to leach off.
Alastair CampbellWriter, strategist and advocate, former adviser to Tony Blair

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 18, 2024 7:07 pm

Frank
 October 18, 2024 2:51 pm

“Oh, yes, here it is. Wasn’t carried forward from the previous chart.”

Yes, right there is the (one of) reason doctors kill more people than cigarettes.

It was a nurse.
An older, allegedly experienced, know-it-fkn-all nurse. It was only my protests AND the protocol that two nurses have to sign off on drug dispensing that forced a review of paperwork where the failure to carry forward the surgeon’s instructions was discovered.
Now, this wasn’t going to kill me, but it was poor form. The old paper chart system is fraught with opportunity to screw up.
To be fair, I found the younger nurses more amenable to listening to patient questions and concerns. This particular older one inserted a canula in my arm and I told her it didn’t feel right.
“It’s fine” I was told.
It was not being used but was only there for emergencies and as an extra “inlet tap” if needed.
Next day I go for a CT.
They use the canula she inserted.
Hands above my head on the tray.
They push the contrast button and then I got the cold contrast running down my arms and back.
Canula not in right.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 18, 2024 7:11 pm

Dan buys himself a job.
https://www.orygen.org.au/About/Annual-reports/2023/Orygen-Annual-Report-2022-2023.aspx

STATE GOVERNMENT GRANTS 25,218,000

Pogria
Pogria
October 18, 2024 7:13 pm

hahahahahaha

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thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 18, 2024 7:20 pm

Im more firmly set than ever that charities as a concept need to be revoked.

You want to get together a group to do something- its a business, and treated like one.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 18, 2024 7:26 pm

King Charles III: Monarch’s Australian ‘secret son’ makes bold claim before royal tour beginsThe Nightly

The Australian man who believes he is the illegitimate love child of King Charles III and Queen Camilla has made an astonishing challenge to the royals before they embark on their royal tour of the region.
Their Majesties are set to land in Sydney on Friday to set off on a nine-day tour of Australia and Samoa — where the King will attend the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting between October 21 and 26.
But before King Charles III even packed his bag, the Australian man who claims to be his “secret son” challenged the 75-year-old ruler to take a paternity test to prove his claims.

British-born Simon Charles Dorante-Day, 58, has made headlines around the world over unproven claims he is the illegitimate love child of Charles and Camilla.
Mr Dorante-Day was born on April 5, 1966, in Portsmouth, England, and was adopted at eight months old. He has long claimed that his adoptive grandmother, who worked for the late Queen Elizabeth II, told him on her deathbed that he was Charles and Camilla’s son.
The 58-year-old, who lives in Queensland, claims that in the nine months leading to his birth, a then-17-year-old Charles was sent to Australia to study and Camilla, age 18, disappeared from the public eye.

MatrixTransform
October 18, 2024 7:28 pm

best Please Explain evah!

Roger
Roger
October 18, 2024 7:34 pm

One communist supporting another.

UK Labour Party Paying Staffers to Campaign for Kamala Harris

The ALP does the same.

Arky
October 18, 2024 7:36 pm

…told him on her deathbed that he was Charles and Camilla’s son.

I’d keep that one quiet if I were him.
It’s hardly something to brag about.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 18, 2024 7:38 pm

Roger
 October 18, 2024 7:34 pm

One communist supporting another.

UK Labour Party Paying Staffers to Campaign for Kamala Harris

The ALP does the same.

And yet they complain about foreign interference in elections.

Roger
Roger
October 18, 2024 7:41 pm

And yet they complain about foreign interference in elections.

Not to mention, “Let’s not bring American style politics to Australia.”

Miltonf
Miltonf
October 18, 2024 7:44 pm

Remember that deadshit from the ANU (where else) that was in the US on the taxpayer dime pulling down Trump signs? Canbra filth. ANU filth.

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Crossie
Crossie
October 18, 2024 7:49 pm

Why would a socialist like Mzz Ardern accept a imperialist-colonialist office like this? Knights and dames are supposed to be elitist enemies of the proletariat.

The key word here is elitist. People like Mz Ardern do not adhere to any philosophy except their own elitism. They are simply the political version of the Wall Street’s masters of the universe. They believe that they deserve every accolade offered to them.

m0nty
m0nty
October 18, 2024 7:51 pm

Interesting to see Zelenskyy give Europe an ultimatum: let us into NATO toot sweet, or we will re-acquire nukes.

Pogria
Pogria
October 18, 2024 7:52 pm

Zulu, here’s a brain teaser for someone of your experience. 😀

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  1. Zulu, here’s a brain teaser for someone of your experience. 😀 https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhjADj_jg2wLjY0Riyv0pI25a2H1iXOBAwi976ojCO8koSk4I_W9kIrNF5oZO5a9fglkNtKAqDcKWK0myIa_hCzq1MrPloU8Np2bdi0RqwaZJLqgg4SvGw62rVjUAWLtYFhq8iPe8sBymxgBpoVWUNiQdwAAtUh0438mvBg9KZ-IFENFXR0fa_eQI6EHTCt/w508-h640/277644185_1225552127122530_449698696738933760_n.jpg

  2. Interesting to see Zelenskyy give Europe an ultimatum: let us into NATO toot sweet, or we will re-acquire nukes.

  3. Why would a socialist like Mzz Ardern accept a imperialist-colonialist office like this? Knights and dames are supposed to be…

  4. Remember that deadshit from the ANU (where else) that was in the US on the taxpayer dime pulling down Trump…

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